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5:04 The G11 & Other Weird Weapons
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0:44 Speaker 02 I can go doot, doot, doot instead of dude. It's the auto amburglers.
0:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, you use it in your car and on burglars.
0:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
0:52 Speaker 01 Literally.
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2:29 Speaker 03 Oh, it sprayed me in the face.
2:31 Speaker 04 In slow motion.
2:33 Speaker 03 Oh, slow it down for me. Okay, zoom in. Oh, and I put pink cheeks on.
2:38 Speaker 04 Kawaii Eli this early in the episode?
2:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, as the echelon explodes in my face, like, ah, oh, Cody.
2:48 Speaker 02 Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Unsubscribe Podcast. I was joined today by, I am joined today by Eli Double Tap, Ian from Forgotten Weapons, Brandon Herrera, and myself, Donut Operator. Thank you so much for being here.
3:01 Speaker 03 What's up, everyone? How y'all doing? Dude, we got Ian on finally after almost four years and a thousand messages.
3:08 Speaker 04 For obvious reasons, I am very excited for this episode. I'm looking forward to it.
3:12 Speaker 03 We've never heard of you. We haven't seen this a million times. Dude, welcome. How you doing, man?
3:20 Speaker 04 I'm doing well. It's fun to be out here.
3:21 Speaker 03 We're excited. This is gonna be the most autistic episode we have ever had. So.
3:29 Speaker 02 Don't kid yourself. He's here for the AK-50, not us, buddy.
3:32 Speaker 04 Like I said, until we have a trained conductor on the podcast, this is probably gonna be the one.
3:36 Speaker 03 That's next week.
3:38 Speaker 01 I hope so, because I'm so far out of most of the world that you guys live in, that it's, it's gonna be gun nerdery or, or, I don't know, I'm just gonna sit here and have nothing to say.
3:49 Speaker 02 We're here for it, man. We, I think we just wanted to put our two big gun nerds together and have a fun conversation about gun things.
3:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm up for that. I'm always up for that.
3:59 Speaker 03 History guns. I mean, this is, this is, this is gonna be a fun one. This is, everyone just get out the popcorn and listen to everyone nerd out, because there is a million questions. I know Brandon probably already has a fuck ton.
4:12 Speaker 04 I had to stop some conversations before the podcast kicked off, because we were already getting into stuff. I'm like, this is such good podcast material.
4:19 Speaker 01 Yes, if you, if you talk about it before the cameras roll, you lose it. I've learned that.
4:24 Speaker 03 That's, I'm glad we didn't do lunch today, because this is one of the ones, it's gonna be a hard one. We've already nerded out before you guys got here nerding out on firearms. I was like, oh shit.
4:33 Speaker 04 Have you ever had it where like you're, you're recording a video and you do like this whole long spiel and then like the footage is either like no audio or something fucks up?
4:41 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
4:42 Speaker 04 And you gotta redo it and you're like, fuck, I've already said it once, so I have no idea what I have covered in the second take?
4:48 Speaker 01 No, the problem is for me is like, once I've done it, a lot of it leaves my head. And it's like, oh, I have to go back to the beginning and go back through all of my notes and reference material. Cause
5:02 Speaker 03 Oh, God.
5:02 Speaker 01 So.
5:03 Speaker 03 And you do deep dives.
5:04 Speaker 01 So I'm much more likely to just use it with terrible audio, or if there's any way it can be salvaged. I'll use it.
5:13 Speaker 03 I have a quick synopsis for the people that don't know who you are.
5:17 Speaker 01 Okay, so I run a website and YouTube channel called ForgottenWeapons.com, which is essentially mini documentaries on interesting and unusual firearms. The ultimate goal is basically to have video content on every military firearm ever made, which is an impossible goal. But it's the, that's the guiding point.
5:39 Speaker 04 Goddamn, are you close at this point?
5:41 Speaker 01 Uh, you know, the thing is, I'm never gonna run out. Yeah, they're fractal. Like, you know, oh, you should do a video on the AK. Well, okay, there's nine different countries that made them. Okay. And then each country did, well, we got the milled ones, then we got the stamped ones, then we got the 545 ones, then we got the 556 ones. And then inside each one of those branches is just another fractal set.
6:05 Speaker 03 But I mean, right now, you are the guy. That's crazy. I didn't even think about that. If I'm looking up a specific weapon, history about it, knowledge or anything, your videos are the first one to pop up.
6:17 Speaker 04 Hey, Cody, would you remind, would you mind removing that dagger from my ribs?
6:26 Speaker 03 What's the, the?
6:28 Speaker 01 Oh, with the PSG one or the G11?
6:30 Speaker 03 The G11 is a good example where it's like those, oh, I just want to see the internals really quick. Cause you have that completely different side of content, which you both are crushing. And you get to see the difference on how you present it.
6:42 Speaker 04 I feel like you're the only one who's really gotten hands on the G11 in like a meaningful way.
6:46 Speaker 01 Uh, Jonathan Ferguson has.
6:47 Speaker 04 Oh, that's true. Well, yeah, well, he's cheating though. He's got a massive collection to choose from.
6:51 Speaker 03 Which one was the G11?
6:53 Speaker 01 The great crap space magic, magic.
6:55 Speaker 04 The brick looking one.
6:57 Speaker 03 Gotcha.
6:57 Speaker 04 And Call of Duty Black Ops one, I believe.
7:00 Speaker 03 The one that it is wild to think you're gonna hand this off to a soldier and be like, "Hey, your weapon's dirty. Can you fix that malfunction?" And then like, open it up.
7:11 Speaker 04 It's 4.6 millimeter caseless, three-round hyperburst at like 1800 rounds a minute.
7:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, we talked about, someone was on here before and we talked about, I think that it's the one you called, you just said, "The grandfather clock."
7:23 Speaker 04 Yeah, Space Magic.
7:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, like, yeah. So here's the thing, I like, I have a video taking it apart, how it works, the history, what it was intended to do. Didn't get to shoot it, for like, obvious reasons. It's in a collection, it's, there's no ammunition. You ever tried to find ammunition for G11?
7:40 Speaker 04 I can honestly tell you I have not.
7:42 Speaker 01 Well, did, like-
7:43 Speaker 02 How the fuck does it shoot?
7:45 Speaker 01 4.6 millimeter caseless.
7:48 Speaker 02 Oh.
7:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's mildly proprietary.
7:50 Speaker 04 You can't go to Bass Pro.
7:52 Speaker 02 I can't, you can't get caseless ammo at Bass Pro?
7:54 Speaker 01 I have 11 rounds.
7:57 Speaker 02 How much do you think each one of those rounds is worth?
8:00 Speaker 01 Well, I don't know. No one's actually shooting it.
8:03 Speaker 02 You can name the price now.
8:04 Speaker 03 But the gyrojet, look how much if you have OG gyrojet.
8:06 Speaker 01 It's true.
8:07 Speaker 04 Those rounds are like 200 bucks a piece, roughly.
8:09 Speaker 01 And by the way, if you have original gyrojet ammo, shoot it now. Because that stuff is deteriorating. And in 20 years, none of it's gonna work. Today, a lot of it doesn't work. And in 20 years, none of it will work. So if you want to shoot a gyrojet, do it now.
8:21 Speaker 04 So at least one out of two, maybe one out of three rounds that we fired for the video, because I don't, I don't know how many rounds we fired. That day was maybe like 10, 15. One out of two, at least one out of three, had some sort of malfunction.
8:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:34 Speaker 04 Where like, maybe only half of the, the jets actually went off. And you could see it in the super slow-mo, like, unusable high-speed footage where it's completely destabilized.
8:42 Speaker 01 That actually would be some of the most interesting high-speed footage.
8:45 Speaker 04 Some, if you go back and really cool, if you look in the video, you can see some of it where like, not all of the rockets are firing. And it's just really weird.
8:52 Speaker 02 It's trying its best.
8:55 Speaker 01 So at the G11.
8:56 Speaker 04 Yeah.
8:57 Speaker 01 Like, I would love to shoot a G11. But it would be, it would be really uninteresting video. Because nothing happens. Nothing ejects.
9:06 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
9:07 Speaker 01 It's one hefty recoil impulse. And, and three holes down range, and that's it.
9:14 Speaker 04 That's where you would need ballistic high speed, just so people could see rounds leaving the barrel.
9:18 Speaker 01 That's right. All you'd see, I think you'd see the magazine moving back and the bullets coming out. And that's it. So it's like.
9:25 Speaker 02 There's no action, all the action's internal.
9:27 Speaker 01 Everything's internal. It's caseless. So there's no brass coming out. There's no ejection port. There's nothing.
9:32 Speaker 02 Boring ass video. You're right. You slow that down and it is just.
9:36 Speaker 04 But it's still some of the only firing footage of that that exists outside of 360p.
9:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's what's crazy.
9:43 Speaker 01 So I'd still want to do it, but my, like, in my head, I just, I, like, I console myself with what I'd be.
9:49 Speaker 02 Like you said, getting Knowles and ballistic high speed up there, at least to get it coming out of the barrel. And then explain how fucking boring the gun is. That'd be kind of cool.
9:58 Speaker 04 I don't really watch a lot of gun tube anymore. It's kind of one of those weird things. It's like, it feels like work. So like, I don't watch other gun tubers. I would wash the shit out of that.
10:07 Speaker 01 If someone else films it, I'll, I'll watch it too. Absolutely.
10:10 Speaker 02 All right, we got a guy.
10:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:11 Speaker 02 Like, this is what I want to see.
10:13 Speaker 04 So the owner of Ox Ranch, I think I can say this. I don't think that's like some sort of nuclear secret. He's got one of the early, I think it's the Stier ACR.
10:21 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
10:22 Speaker 04 I filmed that gun.
10:23 Speaker 01 Really?
10:24 Speaker 04 Probably the one he's got.
10:25 Speaker 01 No shit?
10:26 Speaker 04 He's got a couple of rounds, like the crayon looking ammunition and shit. Yeah, he's got a couple, like six, seven rounds. I don't know how much he's got, but like, that's. That was, where the fuck do you find that?
10:34 Speaker 01 That was one that I wanted to shoot. Like, that was one where there was actually some minuscule chance of shooting it. It didn't work out, but. It's also, they're all flakshets.
10:44 Speaker 04 Really?
10:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's what. I believe so, yeah.
10:46 Speaker 02 I just.
10:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:47 Speaker 04 Yo, that's the one.
10:48 Speaker 02 Just search Stier ACR, that's what came up. What the?
10:50 Speaker 04 Little flakshet.
10:51 Speaker 02 Wait, what the fuck's that thing for? I have never heard of this weapon, so.
10:55 Speaker 01 So the idea of the flakshets, the, you know, the whole ACR program was how do we increase hit, hit probability?
11:03 Speaker 01 Because, like, soldiers fire and then they miss. How do you fix that? And one idea is you fire a bunch of rounds real fast before the recoil impulse hits.
11:13 Speaker 01 Fenn, pull up the Stier ACR. Wow. Okay. One of them is, what if we shoot? Face weapon. What if we have like forty five hundred feet per second muzzle velocity, twelve grain flechettes? So your mean point blank range is like six hundred yards. You don't adjust for anything. Hold center mass, pull trigger. Yeah, it's just cooking, but then. So you're less likely to miss because it's just a laser beam.
11:36 Speaker 03 But then what's the damage on that? Probably just like.
11:39 Speaker 01 Not great. Yeah, and and it's not gonna go through fucking brick or trees or leaves like it'll fucking Yeah. Go all over the place. One of the early flechettes, you know, they were experimenting with flechettes rounds back into the fifties. And one of the early ones, they ended up canning because it was causing like serious health problems for the soldiers. Because when the the plastic Sabo was separated from the from the flechet, it basically vaporized. And the guys were inhaling this plastic particulate vapor from every Sabo they fired at, you know, twelve hundred RPM. Yeah, it's going straight to their balls. Yep. And microplastics, dude.
12:18 Speaker 03 That's where it started, right there.
12:20 Speaker 01 Flechettes rounds. So the other fun, just to round it out, the other fun option in this, the set of like, how do we increase hit probability? Is put multiple bullets in one case. So duplex and triplex ammo, where you stack two or three bullets in a single cartridge case. And they made this stuff for three oh eight, for thirty out six. Mostly those two, because that's what the army was using at the time. And then the idea is you have one point of aim and the bullets spread out a bit. And you get the same effect as with three rounds out of a G eleven or two rounds out of an AN ninety four. But it's one cartridge and it fire, you don't have to have hyperburst because you're firing three bullets with one case.
13:01 Speaker 03 What was the downfall on that, though? Because it doesn't sound, I understand in theory, you're like, oh, we'll just put it all behind this single bullet there. So the line, but it seems like it would.
13:10 Speaker 01 So like thirty out six triplex, you got three bullets. But in order for the gun to not catastrophically fail, the three bullets have to weigh the same as your normal one bullet. So you're firing three fifty grain bullets. It's essentially, you know, three light thirty two autos.
13:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:26 Speaker 01 Um, there were issues of accuracy. Uh, you don't want the bullets to like actually stack on top of each other, but you also don't want them to go super far away.
13:36 Speaker 03 Like a li- like a slight, because again, think about it at a hundred yards. This turns into this really quickly. So you're like, okay.
13:44 Speaker 01 So I have, I've actually done some shooting with duplex three oh eight and it was like at a hundred yards. We got about a 12 inch spread between the, the bullets, which I think is really good. Like that's that distance of if you have a perfect shot, you might get two hits, but you'll definitely get one.
14:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:01 Speaker 01 And if you, if you normally would have just missed, one of those two bullets will probably hit. A lot of the downfall of this stuff was, um, old school people in administration who were brought up on marksmanship. And how do you have marksmanship when there's two bullets?
14:19 Speaker 01 It'll never hit where you want it to hit. Therefore.
14:23 Speaker 01 Not possible.
14:24 Speaker 02 I'm just, I'm trying to figure out like the, what makes that better than a shotgun with a good choke?
14:30 Speaker 01 Uh, you have a lot higher muzzle velocity and a lot better ballistics on an actual spitter bullet. You're still getting 3,02700 feet per second.
14:41 Speaker 04 The only problem is when you go to 400 yards, you've got like the pulp fiction where there's like six hits around the guy.
14:48 Speaker 01 Quite possibly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
14:50 Speaker 03 And you're hitting the person and then the dude.
14:54 Speaker 03 Eight persons away at this, depending on how far it's going.
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15:00 Speaker 03 Exactly. You get both at the same time. You're like, go.
15:05 Speaker 02 Spitzness, mission.
15:08 Speaker 01 No hostage, no hostage situation.
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15:20 Speaker 03 Yeah. Mission accomplished.
15:22 Speaker 01 Yes.
15:23 Speaker 03 Like no, dude, that, that, that kind of tech is wild or just developing it because how far I came like in my head, that sounds like, oh, that's not going to work. Or here is the, the downside to it, but we're just, we tested that in the sixties, fifties.
15:38 Speaker 01 Fifties through nineties. Essentially it was a whole series of programs. So the, the final culmination of it that we see were the four guns, the Colt ACR, the Steyr ACR, the G11 and the, um.
15:53 Speaker 01 AAI, Advanced, what was it, Aeronautics, Advanced Armaments, Inc. Had a flesh hat firing goofy rifle. But that was in the 90s. The Germans came close to adopting the G11 and just barely escaped with their lives from it. But it goes all the way back to the 50s. And there are some bizarre freaking rifles that were in those programs.
16:17 Speaker 04 I was just talking about this because I just did a video on the Lewis gun. And I find it so intriguing because you've got pretty much like ballistics and well, actually, well, I don't know what you say, kinetics, just muzzle loaders rifles in general stayed pretty much the same from like the 1500s to the mid 1800s. There really wasn't a lot of variety. And then as soon as you had the center fire cartridge, very soon after you started having like machine guns and all sorts of things, and it was just like your tech tree exploded. You get there's like 8,000 different ways to do it.
16:51 Speaker 01 So you get two major inflection points like that. The first one is smokeless powder. Because smokeless powder allows you to have self-loading firearms. As long as you've got black powder, there's so much fouling that there were people who tried, who experimented with self-loading. I should, sorry, I should say the second one is smokeless powder. The first one is self-contained metallic cartridges.
17:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:14 Speaker 01 And that, that doesn't start with primers, but it very quickly becomes the center fire, modern center fire case.
17:21 Speaker 04 For sure.
17:22 Speaker 01 And that allows you to have a, a batch of cartridges at the ready to use in some sort of repeating weapon.
17:28 Speaker 04 Because we're, we're looking at, and it's neat to see that right before that really took off, the, the things that people did before that, like the first ever thing that came out of what became Smith and Wesson was the volcanic. And right now we're working on, you know, the volcanic pistol, you'd probably know it from like Red Dead, the little like lever action pistol. Complete dog shit. They like have no muzzle energy whatsoever, but it was like a self-contained projectile. And we're working on a reverse engineering the ammo right now.
17:55 Speaker 01 Oh, cool.
17:56 Speaker 04 Super just a bizarre concept. And you very quickly realize like, oh, this is why these never took off.
18:01 Speaker 01 Yeah. So you, you take a bullet, a lead bullet with a hollow base and you make the base, the inside hollow section bigger and put the powder in that and put a primer in that. And then like a little sealant cup of something. I don't remember what they used on the backend. But then wax or paper, something like that. Yeah.
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19:58 Speaker 01 Use the code unsubscribe to sleep better and stay cooler. But then you have all the elements of your cartridge right here and the bullet is the case because the, you know, you've got the, the tip of the bullet with most of the mass and then you've got the hollow cylinder that holds the powder. The problem was in order to make it, give it enough muzzle velocity to do anything of impact, you had to make the bullet really long, but then you had these really thin lead walls and the front of the bullet would break off from the back of the bullet and you'd leave, you'd have it like a cylinder of bullet case at the back and the projectile, the front of the projectile would go down range and then the guns.
20:38 Speaker 04 Dangerous.
20:38 Speaker 01 Not, yeah, can't be fired again.
20:41 Speaker 04 Otherwise you have these really light projectiles that don't really do anything. Like there's, I don't know if this is hyperbolized, but there's accounts of people trying to with this and failing.
20:51 Speaker 01 I've read that story. I don't know if I believe it or not, but it's not completely out of the realm.
20:57 Speaker 04 Like Mythbusters says plausible kind of thing.
21:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:00 Speaker 04 Like, I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't doubt it.
21:03 Speaker 01 Skill issue. And they had, so they had a couple of different versions and like the handgun one was what 31 caliber, I think.
21:10 Speaker 04 Yeah.
21:11 Speaker 01 So, you know, you, it's, it's even a small diameter to begin with. The rifle one was bigger. I think they had a.
21:16 Speaker 04 It's like 41?
21:17 Speaker 01 Something like that. Yeah.
21:18 Speaker 04 I don't recall off the top of my head, but we, we have the smaller one.
21:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:21 Speaker 04 And it's cartoonishly small.
21:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:23 Speaker 04 You look at that and you're like, I don't know how the fuck you ever made this work.
21:26 Speaker 01 But it's cool.
21:27 Speaker 04 It's really neat.
21:28 Speaker 01 So beyond the Volganic, there was a whole series of pistols that were manually operated with ring trigger levers that mostly came out of Austria and they are neat guns too. Like there's some with little five round clips.
21:44 Speaker 01 There's a batch of them that were made using cartridges before people really kind of came up with the idea of an extraction groove. So the, the base end of the cartridge is just solid.
21:55 Speaker 01 And there is no, like, the extractor doesn't grip on the, a groove in the cartridge.
22:01 Speaker 04 What is it? What does it do then?
22:02 Speaker 01 I don't remember. I knew you were gonna ask that.
22:05 Speaker 03 You just say, you're like, fuck.
22:06 Speaker 01 Oh, I don't remember how they did that.
22:08 Speaker 03 I don't have the answer to the question I just made.
22:10 Speaker 04 It's neat. I was just like, huh, that's a neat way of doing it. What did they do instead?
22:14 Speaker 01 Fuck.
22:14 Speaker 04 Yep.
22:14 Speaker 03 Her science.
22:16 Speaker 01 Magic.
22:17 Speaker 04 If he doesn't know, podcast is over.
22:21 Speaker 03 You're the professional.
22:23 Speaker 01 Soiled it.
22:24 Speaker 03 What the fuck, dog? What the fuck?
22:26 Speaker 01 No, they're, they're all super janky.
22:28 Speaker 04 It's super neat too, cause like a lot of the, like early cartridge stuff, you've got like the, the pin fire stuff.
22:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:33 Speaker 04 Which, I mean, that was, the needle rifles and stuff like that. It's just super.
22:38 Speaker 03 The needler.
22:39 Speaker 04 So strange.
22:40 Speaker 01 What makes those situations?
22:41 Speaker 04 Halo needler.
22:42 Speaker 03 That's what you're talking about.
22:43 Speaker 01 Oh, totally, totally.
22:45 Speaker 03 That was old tech.
22:46 Speaker 04 Explodes inside.
22:49 Speaker 03 Missiles to kill somebody.
22:50 Speaker 01 What makes those periods so cool is someone will invent new technology and patent it. And a lot of people think, a lot of people don't really understand how patents work. Patents are temporary protection. The idea is if you innovate and create a new product, you're rewarded with a monopoly on that product for a limited period of time. So that Bob, the inventor in his garage, doesn't invent something super cool. And then mega corp just copies it and, and he gets nothing.
23:19 Speaker 01 Bob gets his, his limited time monopoly, which people can argue pros and cons on that system, but.
23:25 Speaker 04 Edison had some words about it.
23:26 Speaker 01 Right. Oh, yeah.
23:27 Speaker 03 It's, it's not. Contracts and lawyers, my friend.
23:29 Speaker 01 It is not without controversy, but that's the concept. And what happens as a result is when the new technology comes out, like smokeless powder. All of a sudden, it's now feasible to make self-loading systems, semi-auto, full-auto guns. And the first person who figures out like the obvious way to make it work, patents it. So then the next guy is like, well, this is a huge open market. I want to make a, a machine gun. But I have to do a different thing than, than that guy did. So, well, okay, here's the second best, most obvious, efficient way to do it. And he does that and he patents it. And about five years in, there's still people out there who want to make their fortune in this. But now like the 85 best ways to do it are patented. And then you start getting these really bizarre workaround systems.
24:13 Speaker 01 Just, and at like 17 years after the tech comes out. All the bizarre stuff goes away because now the good way, the patents expired and now everyone can do that. Like that's why we have Browning pistols still today and we don't have Bergmans and Namboos and all the other really janky early semi-auto pistols.
24:34 Speaker 04 As cool as they are.
24:36 Speaker 01 Oh, they're super cool, but would you want to carry any of them?
24:40 Speaker 04 The Mandalorian does.
24:41 Speaker 01 That was, I, I have questions about that. Like, there's only one place that Prop Master found that gun.
24:48 Speaker 04 You think?
24:49 Speaker 01 There's only one gun. Where, where else do you find it online before the Mandalorian comes out?
24:53 Speaker 04 So it's like the Bergman, what is it?
24:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, I posted it.
24:58 Speaker 04 It's like the M, what is it? The M95?
25:00 Speaker 01 Uh, it was, no, it was 1892 or 93.
25:04 Speaker 04 Okay.
25:05 Speaker 01 Cause it was the, what they copied for the Mandalorian was the very first prototype Bergman. Not even, not even the first standard model, but the prototype.
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25:44 Speaker 01 Yo. So I got, when that came out, I got a lot of messages from people who were like, oh my God, they, it was either like, oh my God, they found one or oh my God, they ruined one by turning into a blank or something for the movie.
25:56 Speaker 04 Oh shit.
25:56 Speaker 01 And the answer is no, they totally didn't. They, like, it's a resin model.
26:00 Speaker 04 The Bergman 1896?
26:02 Speaker 01 Uh, yeah, it's not, yeah, but that's not like, it's not, it's an earlier pattern.
26:08 Speaker 04 Yeah. I didn't know. Cause yeah, there's, there's clearly like a couple of differences there, but like, yeah, like on the, I don't know what you call that, but.
26:15 Speaker 01 So that's the loading gate.
26:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:17 Speaker 01 That's actually a thumb lever that you pull down to put the clip in.
26:20 Speaker 04 Okay.
26:21 Speaker 01 But the very, so if you look here, it's not, not yet. It wasn't, it's got a cleaning rod on the side and that's only found on the, the original prototype example.
26:32 Speaker 04 Oh, so they actually had an OG OG. So whoever.
26:35 Speaker 01 And please pull that up.
26:35 Speaker 04 They made it.
26:36 Speaker 01 Out, they created that thing out of resin or something. Yeah.
26:39 Speaker 04 But they seen that. They had to deep dive to find that exact.
26:43 Speaker 01 And I, as far as I can tell, there's only one place where they could have found it.
26:46 Speaker 03 And that's
26:47 Speaker 01 But I never heard from anybody.
26:49 Speaker 03 No shit.
26:50 Speaker 01 But if the if the armor for the Mandalorian is watching this and would like to spill any details, I'd love to hear them.
26:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, please comment.
26:57 Speaker 01 Because that was it's such a cool Star Wars throwback.
26:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:00 Speaker 01 Because the original Star Wars was all done with World War II guns with stuff glommed on to them because that's what was available and easy to use.
27:09 Speaker 04 Lewis guns, MG thirty fours, fucking STG forty fours, all that shit. It's.
27:14 Speaker 01 I can't. Okay, so. Side cool stories.
27:19 Speaker 03 Well, just really quick. I never realized patents, the way you just described that is how when you teach AI, the exact pattern is the shit that gets it super far, but whatever is the most efficient way gets to the front of it. What you're saying with that, the seventeen years of bad tech don't make it to the front. It's, hey, this is the best, easiest method that is proven. Oh, something else comes along that's better than that steps. That's AI training to a T.
27:47 Speaker 04 Well, I mean, you could also just say it's just I.
27:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
27:55 Speaker 03 Like that. I was like, oh shit, this is actually in that exact line is how it's done. I just never had a picture.
28:02 Speaker 04 That was the tech bro equivalent of looking at the scar in Fortnite and going, oh, they made the Fortnite gun.
28:09 Speaker 03 Wait, holy shit. I never looked at actually patents like that where it's like, hey, most efficient thing's going to get proven. It's like, holy shit. Yeah, actually, that is actually how that works. Huh.
28:20 Speaker 04 No, that's just that's just clanker cultural appropriation. That's what that is.
28:25 Speaker 03 Takes a lot longer. It's not like I ran it for one hour.
28:29 Speaker 04 It takes thirty, forty fucking years, but yeah, anyway, sorry, your cool story.
28:33 Speaker 01 I came this close to making a fully functional Hoth trooper. Uh, what was it? A thirty four blaster, I think.
28:41 Speaker 04 The like STG forty four clone?
28:42 Speaker 01 Yeah. So I was last year, um, Finnish brutality was held in the winter. So, okay, so I'm going.
28:50 Speaker 04 Time to go to Finland.
28:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, so I'm going to a winter match. And this was when, yep, yeah, exactly. This was when DK was just starting to send out their Sturmgevers, their US semi-auto Sturmgevers. And I arranged to get one. My gunsmith was super stoked to make, because it's only like three parts. Like, you need a new buttstock, and we need, we got a new rear sight leaf to modify to put a red dot with a 3D printed cage around, you know, body around it. And a new buttstock and a new handguard. And like, that's it. And I have an A34 blaster. I hope it's A34.
29:31 Speaker 04 A295. Yeah, A295 blaster.
29:36 Speaker 01 Okay. At any rate, the problem.
29:39 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's not, that's not complicated.
29:40 Speaker 01 No, no, because they took actual Sturmgevers when they did the movie and just bolted some crap onto them.
29:48 Speaker 03 I love how it's like, this is now futuristic.
29:51 Speaker 01 So I was gonna, I was gonna shoot the match with that rifle and a Hoth trooper costume. That was gonna be a fantastic.
29:58 Speaker 04 That's fucking great.
29:59 Speaker 01 And then I had to send the gun back like three times to get it working and ran out of time.
30:06 Speaker 04 I have a theory about that.
30:08 Speaker 01 Do tell.
30:09 Speaker 04 Everybody's got, everybody's had fucking problems with getting their reproduction STG44s to run properly. Like, everyone who's ever fucking tried.
30:16 Speaker 01 Yep.
30:18 Speaker 04 I question if the original STG44s ran properly.
30:22 Speaker 01 Um, so there was a massive QC like scrap rate.
30:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
30:29 Speaker 01 On the production of Sturmgevers, like massive, like 30% of the.
30:33 Speaker 04 Oh, my fucking god.
30:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, but they're just stamping them out so fast that whatever, throw them back into the smelter and.
30:40 Speaker 04 They had some stuff going on at the time.
30:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, they, yeah, there were other issues.
30:46 Speaker 01 The original?
30:47 Speaker 03 Produce a whole bunch of weapons of diff- just different weapons at the same time during a war with different ammo and you're like, go fight shit.
30:55 Speaker 01 So I think the other problem is that nobody has been able to put the time and the production numbers into a semi-auto repro to work out the fine details. And when the Germans are doing this during the war, they are stamping them out by the thousands.
31:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
31:10 Speaker 01 And so you have the scale to be like, oh, we need to change that tolerance needs to come in a thou. And, and they work out the problems with the semi-auto guns. There's never, they're so, they're always expensive enough that there's never enough scale. Like you have to make a thousand of the things, a thousand of anything in a production line before you're going to get close to having it actually reliable.
31:33 Speaker 04 Not only that, but I, this is getting like real in the fucking weeds really early, but the, I, I think that there's a difference in the actual cartridge, like eight millimeter Kurs is, uh, I think the modern PPU stuff is like a different spec. I heard people saying that you needed to do something to your feed ramp to be able to fire modern ammo.
31:51 Speaker 01 I've seen that. I'm pretty dubious about it.
31:53 Speaker 04 Really?
31:54 Speaker 01 Yeah. Uh, for one thing, it assumes a very high level of, uh, of quality control on the part of the original German ammo. If you ever want to have a fun time, grab some headspace dies and go find a stack of original Sturmgevers and check their headspace. Cause like 30 thou excess headspace is not particularly uncommon on a Sturmgever.
32:17 Speaker 03 What does that mean?
32:18 Speaker 04 It's not great.
32:19 Speaker 01 But it works.
32:22 Speaker 03 This is, and anyone out there that doesn't know, it's the STG 44 Sturmgever.
32:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:27 Speaker 03 This is the assault rifle. It's one of the first of its kind at the MP4.
32:32 Speaker 01 So the MP43, the MP44 and the Sturmgewehr 44 are all the same gun.
32:36 Speaker 03 Okay. But this is that brand new tech, future tech.
32:40 Speaker 04 It's largely regarded as like the father of the modern assault rifle.
32:43 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. It's not technically the first, but it is the first to be put into mass production used in the field with the tactics of an assault rifle.
32:53 Speaker 04 Speaking of, uh, Schmeizer guns that were like their first, I just got after five years of hunting and this is like fucking a week ago. I'm super stoked. I just got my hands on an MP18.
33:05 Speaker 03 Oh, nice.
33:06 Speaker 01 I don't have
33:07 Speaker 03 Original snail drum.
33:09 Speaker 01 I don't have the original drum with it yet, but so the
33:12 Speaker 04 That's fine. You're probably gonna have
33:14 Speaker 01 You're probably gonna have better luck with repro drums anyway.
33:16 Speaker 04 Yeah. The so for
33:19 Speaker 01 Just shoot it with eight round sticks.
33:20 Speaker 04 Exactly. That's not a fucking problem.
33:23 Speaker 03 But Cody is the battle. It's the
33:24 Speaker 04 The battlefield one gun.
33:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, they actually went back and made they actually went back and made that gun after the movie came out.
33:30 Speaker 04 Exactly. It's just like Fortnite, Eli.
33:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:33 Speaker 03 Okay, that makes way more sense.
33:35 Speaker 01 That's that's really good.
33:36 Speaker 02 Me and Eli have never used our cell phones so much in the podcast.
33:40 Speaker 04 What are they talking about?
33:42 Speaker 01 One, seven, three, four, five, six. I had a chance to shoot a Villar Perosa. That is not I having shot that it is not the first submachine gun because it is unusable as a submachine gun. It is a little tiny ought to be tripod mounted thing.
34:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, that bad. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
34:02 Speaker 03 What's it called?
34:03 Speaker 01 Villar V I L L A R dash P E R O S A. It is like 1100 rounds a minute, nine millimeter glissanti, two barrels with spade grips and thumb triggers.
34:18 Speaker 04 It's technically operable. It's kind of like the the show shot. Or the show shot. I don't know.
34:24 Speaker 01 Show shot. Yeah.
34:26 Speaker 04 I I've I've had the opportunity to pick up a couple and I just I always eyeball it like, man, I don't know.
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35:56 Speaker 01 I have a series going that would make a fantastic exclusive Pepperbox video, where we have a 75-round Course of Fire with the Shoshaw that I bring on guests to shoot. Because nobody's ever actually got trigger time on a Shoshaw. It is.
36:14 Speaker 04 I thought you were gonna say nobody's gotten through 75 rounds with a Shoshaw and not had a malfunction.
36:18 Speaker 01 We have had one malfunction in the history of the series.
36:20 Speaker 04 You're kidding.
36:21 Speaker 01 My Shoshaw runs. The problem with Shoshaws is twofold. One is that the mags are basically tin foil.
36:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
36:28 Speaker 01 They're, they ought to be expendable, but they're not because they haven't made them in 100 years. But they're terrible quality mags that are all a century old now. That's one problem.
36:36 Speaker 04 Tossing a Mac and it bends.
36:39 Speaker 01 Oh, if you hold it, if you hold the gun by the magazine, you will cause a malfunction because you will squeeze the magazine and you will cause it to not feed.
36:46 Speaker 04 Do you know what we're talking about with the Shoshaw?
36:48 Speaker 03 No.
36:48 Speaker 04 It's the one where it's like a, it's like a half moon, like the World War I French light machine gun, where it's the entire bottom of the gun is like a cup that is the magazine.
36:57 Speaker 01 It's an 18-round, single-stack, 180-degree magazine.
37:02 Speaker 03 18 rounds?
37:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:04 Speaker 03 That's wild.
37:05 Speaker 04 To be fair, this is also World War I.
37:08 Speaker 03 Again, that's why I'm like, it's World War I.
37:10 Speaker 01 And by the way, it's, it's not just the French Automatic Rifle Light Machine Gun. It's also the American one.
37:16 Speaker 04 I forgot about that.
37:17 Speaker 01 The BAR showed up like six weeks before the end of the war. US troops who deployed to France had Shoshaws.
37:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's the one.
37:25 Speaker 03 God, and I love that. That's just 18 rounds.
37:28 Speaker 01 Yep.
37:29 Speaker 03 That thing way. Oh, God.
37:30 Speaker 01 Now imagine. It's not that heavy. Really? I mean, it's awkward.
37:33 Speaker 03 If you're walking 30 miles with it.
37:36 Speaker 01 Then it gets really clunky, but.
37:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
37:39 Speaker 01 It's less than a brand. It's less than a 240.
37:41 Speaker 03 Okay, yeah. I always look at weapons. I'm like, hmm.
37:44 Speaker 01 How much would that suck to carry?
37:46 Speaker 03 Dude, you get that mindset so fast overseas. It is. Here is, I want my gun to look cool and then it starts to go to, okay, I don't need this. I don't need this. This fucking sucks because it weighs extra. There, this, that's it. Strip down. It's minimized. Now I can walk a long ways.
38:02 Speaker 01 What's awesome about the shoshai is nobody's ever shot them. Even people with tremendous amounts of firearms experience. Never shot them. A few. Sometimes people have, but like if someone in your position had shot a shoshai, it would be, oh yeah, I was at a shoot once and a guy had one and I put a magazine through it from a bench. That's it. No one's ever actually tried to effectively use one. So we get to have this series where we take people who are reasonably familiar with firearms. And like, here you go. We're counting your hits. It's, we got some semi, we got some full auto, we got a mag dump, we got some walking fire, like a whole variety of different types of shooting. Oh, I volunteer as tribute. Excellent. We'll, we'll set that up. That'll be a lot of fun. Cause I've, I've never shot one and I've. Right?
38:45 Speaker 01 They come up for reasonable prices, like 10 grand ish for something like, something like that. It's not crazy. So the other problem with them is that a lot of the ones in the US were de-wadded or de-milled and then repaired. Um, there are a fair number of them that came back as like,
39:02 Speaker 01 American Legion post souvenirs that went up on the wall and they were either welded shut or various forms of de-mill. And so they've all had to be repaired. And when you get rando gunsmith trying to cut an eight millimeter LaBelle chamber, or make a new barrel, or usually like, I don't know where we get a new barrel for this thing. So let's just see if we can grind out the weld that's in it. You, that's a recipe for gun not work very well. I, I.
39:30 Speaker 04 Have had this theory for a while now. And it drives me fucking crazy because the more I see, the more I know it to be true. Most of what people bitch about with machine guns now is entirely due to the American NFA world. Where boomers in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s are trying to fix machine guns. They don't have prints for, and they're just like, fuck it, this'll work kinda. And as long as it fires three rounds in a row, they're like, functional machine gun. And they'll take it to shoots and they'll sell them and we, we have to, we bring in so many machine guns that I, I buy is like, perfectly functional. We realize the welds are completely fucked. Headspace is completely gone. Like they're dangerous to shoot. Like you, you sold me a grenade and went, that's fine. Like our, our Dishka, it was so fucked.
40:14 Speaker 01 Oh, I can't even imagine. But something like that, that's like, there's really no way for a good Dishka to come into the US and get on the registry. It's guaranteed to be messed up somehow.
40:26 Speaker 04 But the guy who rewelded it, it was the worst reweld. We've seen it a while. Like they're just open pockets. When we cut back into it.
40:33 Speaker 01 I've, I've seen some pretty bad rewelds. You've seen some of the pretty bad jobs that I've seen.
40:38 Speaker 04 Well, that's fair, actually. That one was pretty bad. That was pretty fucking.
40:42 Speaker 01 Expans.
40:43 Speaker 04 Holy crap. At one, at one point he did a video on, um, we call it like the most cursed crank. Like it was just, it was fucked up.
40:51 Speaker 01 It, it was not recognized as being a bad gun. It, that was the first, we took it to the range as part of a shoot. Um, a guy I was with and he brought it out because he hadn't shot it before and it's his new, post sample crank. And one round fired and the entire gas block assembly goes down range. Yeah. And it only got worse from there. Once we started to look, like, I didn't really look at the thing closely because I've done some video on cranks, like it's, they're super cool, but I have, I have, I'm focused. Like I'm working. I have these three guns that I want to film and it's a quasi-public shoot, so it's going to be tricky to work with anyway. And yeah, so he's going to bring that thing like, okay, that's cool, dude, whatever, you know, have fun.
41:34 Speaker 01 And oh, there was a lot of grinder involved in building that gun.
41:39 Speaker 04 It was not safe.
41:41 Speaker 01 What was the first clue? Perhaps pieces of the gun going down range?
41:45 Speaker 04 That and like the amount of grinding on the locking lugs like for our dishka was the locking flaps were ground down, which is always a great, that's the thing that stops the gun from exploding. So that's really.
41:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, those are important.
41:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, no, we ended up, uh, cause we saw your video. I'm like, we'll just rebuild it for the guy. Like we'll, we'll actually make it, you know, come back to life. Cause he is a really cool guy.
42:03 Speaker 01 Like, yes, I don't want to cast aspersions on the guy. Cause he, I don't think he looked at it closely either. No, which is, by the way, this is a good lesson for everybody. If you buy a new gun, look at it, like examine it before you shoot it. This applies to Millsyrp stuff too. It's not very common in the U S, but in Europe, it's not uncommon for people to forcibly deactivate guns, effectively destroy them so that they don't have to be registered. And this can mean like drill a hole in the chamber. And then sometimes it's we drilled a hole in the chamber, but we don't want it to look like it's got an ugly hole in it. So we filled in the stock and we put a new stock on it and didn't bother to put a bar in the chamber or anything. And then it gets sold and sold and then third guy gets sold to,
42:48 Speaker 01 doesn't know it's deactivated and goes and fires around through it and it just blows through the bottom of the stock and hurts someone.
42:54 Speaker 04 You figure it out like quick.
42:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, but look at guns before you take them out and shoot them.
42:59 Speaker 04 Especially like the older something. Yeah. It's like, it's not, not bad to, I don't know. It's, it's kind of a weird thing to say like, oh, you should own a headspace engages for every caliber you have. But really like headspace engages are a really, really nice entry level tool.
43:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:13 Speaker 03 I think on the older ones, especially if you're taking them out, cause those I always look at as the ticking time bombs. New shit, I'm like, a lot of tech went into even building this for the most part, should be pretty good. Old shit is the one where it's like, I'm gonna have somebody look at it before I touch it.
43:29 Speaker 01 When I was building AKs way back in the day, my cop out for not having head spacing dies was that I only worked with, uh, matching parts kits. I mean, it's more, then I don't have to worry about it. And at the time that wasn't a big deal.
43:44 Speaker 04 I mean, that's better. That's objectively like, okay, it went together properly the first time this way. Cause if you have like virgin parts kits or you have non matching kits, then you really have to like, you have to be careful with that space.
43:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, you have to.
43:55 Speaker 04 But matching stuff, you're like, well, it was good enough for Bulgaria in 1968.
43:59 Speaker 01 Then, then you go to like Kujir and look at it and you're like, ooh.
44:03 Speaker 02 Can we dumb it down for just a minute?
44:05 Speaker 01 No.
44:05 Speaker 02 You had to explain to me what a, god damn it. I'll see myself out. You guys have fun with your fucking autism.
44:13 Speaker 02 The one thing you had to explain to me when I first met you is what a parts kit was.
44:17 Speaker 04 Yeah. So like specifically for, this is true for pretty much all firearms, but for AKs in general, in, in this case, you'll have importers that want to bring in kits to the United States. You can't bring in whole machine guns to the US. Up until recently, the Trump administration just reversed this, but you couldn't even bring in machine gun barrels. So like original barrels for anything that was a machine gun, AKs, whatever, had to be cut up in multiple pieces. Receivers had to be cut up in like three pieces.
44:43 Speaker 02 So a kid is getting pieces of a gun.
44:46 Speaker 01 It's, I want, I have this AK that I want to sell to the Americans.
44:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:49 Speaker 01 But you can't import a machine gun. Well, if you take it apart enough, eventually you'll find the one part that is a machine gun by itself. That's the receiver.
44:57 Speaker 02 Yeah. And sometimes, sometimes it's like chopped up in the vertical pieces.
45:02 Speaker 04 Torch cut. Now, they used to be saw cut, which used to be way easier to rebuild.
45:06 Speaker 01 The, the rules on how it can be, the idea is you destroy the legal machine gun part, and then you just import everything else. And it became known as a parts kit.
45:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
45:15 Speaker 01 And the rules for how the destruction has to take place have changed over the course of decades.
45:20 Speaker 02 Yeah. And when, when I first met Brandon a couple of years ago, I thought he was a fucking magician. Cause he was like, yeah, here's a parts kit. Here's this piece, this piece, this piece, this piece. We can put it back together into a functional gun. I was like, holy shit, that is the coolest thing ever. I didn't, I didn't know parts kits existed before I met him a couple of years ago.
45:38 Speaker 04 Which for like an AR is not that big of a deal.
45:39 Speaker 01 Oh, no, that's not gunsmithing. That's just.
45:44 Speaker 04 You've offended a lot of people.
45:46 Speaker 01 I'm sorry, if you built your own AR, that you're not a gunsmith. Might be a gunsmith.
45:51 Speaker 02 But it's just wild. It's just wild thinking about overseas. They have to torch cut just like just gnarly fucking torch it into it.
45:59 Speaker 04 And like you have to.
46:00 Speaker 02 You have this thing.
46:02 Speaker 01 You want horrible nightmare fuel. I've seen videos of the process like here's a stack of pristine machine guns and here's the dude with the the acetylene torch.
46:09 Speaker 04 Hello.
46:11 Speaker 01 Uh, it's horrible.
46:12 Speaker 04 The but it went once they get to the States like you have to D mill like the AKs riveted together. So you have to drill out all the the individual rivets. Um, you have to cut around the slag on like the barrels and shit like that when that get get cut. Press out the pins on all the barrel components, press them off like it's it's a pretty involved process just to get to a parts kit.
46:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
46:30 Speaker 04 And then from there you have to use a new receiver, a new barrel, everything, and then rebuild it. What he's talking about with uh like an OG barrel headspace. Is headspace on the AK is determined by your bolt and how far back your barrel is pressed in the trunnion. Yeah, I said it.
46:46 Speaker 02 Trunnion.
46:47 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:47 Speaker 02 Say it again.
46:48 Speaker 04 Basically, if you press it in too far, it's too tight, won't completely lock.
46:52 Speaker 02 The trunnion is too tight.
46:53 Speaker 04 Trunnion is too tight.
46:55 Speaker 01 That sounds good, but it's not.
46:56 Speaker 04 Yeah. Sounds like it should be a good thing. Um, yeah, Prom Night tight, not good on AK. If you don't press it in enough, there's too much space and then um the round can essentially detonate out of.
47:09 Speaker 01 The best way I've heard it described is headspace is when the when the gun's locked closed on a cartridge. How much, how far back can the bolt and the cartridge case push from the back of the barrel? And there has to be a little bit because if it's completely frictionally rubbing against each other, it won't reliably close. But if there's too much, then uh the first thing that happens when you fire is the cartridge comes all the way back to the maximum extent of its headspace. And if that's too much, it'll blow through the brass at that point before gas has gotten to the gas port at all. And then that's the gun exploding.
47:49 Speaker 04 I just know M2 go click.
47:52 Speaker 03 Or bang click.
47:53 Speaker 04 The two guys.
47:54 Speaker 03 Great system. I know. That's why that's the only.
47:56 Speaker 02 We know.
47:57 Speaker 03 I know. It's the only time I ever fucked with head spacing.
48:01 Speaker 02 When I am army, I am in army do thing, bullet boom.
48:07 Speaker 03 This piece metal say go, this piece metal say no go. Yeah. Okay. And that's the army dumbing it down as much as possible. We're like, okay. Unscrew C window, three turn. Okay. It go bang.
48:19 Speaker 04 And that's why you've got like field gauges and stuff, which is what they issued to troops. Basically like when this closes, bring the gun to your armor.
48:28 Speaker 02 Yes. Three bad men.
48:32 Speaker 04 Cause you've got like go gauge.
48:33 Speaker 02 No. Bad headspace.
48:37 Speaker 04 When we're talking about like headspace gauges, you've got go, go gauge, which means it can close. Like that's, that's a good thing. You want it to be able to go. No go means, okay, well, it just closed on this. We should not, that shouldn't happen. So it's out of headspace. Field gauges, this might explode. This is not usable.
48:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. Field gauges is, this may have some wear, but it's, if it doesn't exceed this, it's usable.
49:04 Speaker 04 Exactly. Yeah. Like if it closes on the field gauge, you're like, ah.
49:08 Speaker 01 Go and no go are what you use on a brand new gun to assemble it. And then field is a recognition that over time, the headspace will expand as, as things stretch. And as you fire thousands of rounds to the gun. And if it, you know, if a, an old worn gun fails, one of the go, no go gauges like.
49:28 Speaker 01 But if it fails the field gauge, don't use it.
49:30 Speaker 04 Yeah. If it swallows a field gauge, you're, that's a grenade.
49:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:35 Speaker 02 As I say, I love the two sides of our audiences listening right now. Cause one side is like, let Eli and Cody try to dumb things. And then the other side is like, stop Eli and Cody from talking, cause they're explaining the gun stuff.
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51:57 Speaker 03 Like, what's going on? Gun shoot, guys. I'm like, what the fuck?
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52:06 Speaker 03 Who is some of the gun content creators you actually started watching when you got into this field?
52:13 Speaker 03 Were there any? Cause you've been in this for a few minutes.
52:15 Speaker 01 There were a few. So I started in 2010.
52:19 Speaker 03 You're an OG.
52:21 Speaker 01 No, I'm, I'm like second generation of it because Hickok was already there. Iraq Vet was already there.
52:27 Speaker 03 Oh, God, yeah.
52:29 Speaker 01 Who else? Uh.
52:31 Speaker 04 Four down.
52:32 Speaker 01 God, 20 is the second wave. What's the guy's name? Um, FPS Russia.
52:37 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
52:38 Speaker 01 FPS Russia was the big one when I started.
52:41 Speaker 01 But what I, so I didn't start it to be a YouTube channel. I started Forgotten Weapons as a text blog, largely because I was playing with a friend's collection and he had a bunch of cool documentary stuff, like those old Springfield Armory photos. When Springfield Armory, which was the head of US small arms testing and R and D, whenever they got something, they would take a whole batch of photographs of it. And then they go into the US National Archives and they're public domain and they're available for everybody. And they would do like, you know, left, right, top, disassembled, exploded view of the gun. And then if they did testing and something weird happened, you might get like, well, here's a picture after the barrel exploded and there's, you know, a hole in it.
53:24 Speaker 01 And, but they did this for every bizarre, weird gun that they tested. Some, you know, Bob in his garage sends a gun to Springfield in 1912. They do it. We capture this kooky thing from the Nazis in 45. Springfield Armory is doing testing and taking pictures. And so it's this really cool resource of bizarre, weird forgotten weapons.
53:47 Speaker 04 Yeah.
53:47 Speaker 01 And so I, I'm like.
53:48 Speaker 04 Roll credits.
53:49 Speaker 01 So, yeah, some of it, like, I'd love, we ought to have more access to this. It's hard to find these things sometimes. And then what really did it was a, a friend of a friend was a senior engineer at Colt and died. And he happened to have in his attic, like manuals and drawings for the Pedersen device.
54:11 Speaker 04 Hmm, cool.
54:12 Speaker 01 The Pedersen device for the Mosin, the Enfield and the LaBelle.
54:15 Speaker 04 Okay, so now I, from that cool, the Pedersen device.
54:21 Speaker 01 Yes. It converts a bolt action rifle into a semi-auto pistol caliber carbine.
54:25 Speaker 04 It was like the original PCC conversion.
54:27 Speaker 03 Someone dude was like, hey, here's how we turn this from a bolt action.
54:32 Speaker 01 John Pedersen, who is one of the greatest gun designers of the early 1900s.
54:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, I would say so. Dude was like, I can make that gun cooler.
54:40 Speaker 01 Uh, we made, we made thousands upon thousands of them. It was going to be our secret weapon in the 1919 Spring Offensive in World War I, which didn't happen. No one really expected the war to end at the end of 1918, and they all got scrapped.
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55:24 Speaker 04 They were all like thrown off the side of a fucking.
55:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, basically thrown into the ocean, I think.
55:28 Speaker 03 No shit. So this was actually, hey, part of this war effort. We're in trench warfare. We need.
55:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:33 Speaker 03 We're going to now be the first wave of everyone's has semi-auto weapons.
55:38 Speaker 01 Would you like a 40 round semi-auto carbine? Or would you like a five round bolt action ought six?
55:42 Speaker 03 God, that would have been mind blowing at that period of time. That would have been.
55:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:47 Speaker 03 And if it didn't happen that year before, it would have been what turned the tide during that war.
55:51 Speaker 04 Even better, logistically is you're not issuing new guns.
55:53 Speaker 01 Right.
55:54 Speaker 04 You are issuing a, an accessory that makes your gun more lethal.
55:58 Speaker 01 And you can swap it back and forth.
55:59 Speaker 03 And you got farm boys like, man, you see this fucking thing?
56:03 Speaker 01 So I can go dude, dude, dude, instead of dude. Yeah. Holy shit. So these things are scarce and very valuable today because a few hundred of them survived getting scrapped. But originally the plan was to build these for all the other allied powers. We're going to make them for the British, the French and the Russians too. And when this guy died, his family was like, we're gold papers in the garbage. And they're gone. And that was the, that was the moment that I'm like, you know, maybe I could start a website and archive some of this stuff. So it doesn't go boop going into the garbage.
56:37 Speaker 03 Throw it away.
56:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, they didn't know what it was. They didn't know.
56:40 Speaker 03 Grandpa sucks.
56:41 Speaker 02 Well, I mean, yeah, think, think about like weird old Uncle Brandon over here. And they're just like, yeah, he just wrote a bunch of shit down. Thanks for the money.
56:49 Speaker 01 Yeah. Um, that's sad. That's a sad thought.
56:54 Speaker 02 I know your brothers.
56:55 Speaker 01 So as I
56:58 Speaker 01 As I, as I started expanding the website, it got to the point of like, how does this gun work? I have to explain how this gun works. Doing that in writing is really hard. Like describing, write, tell me how an AK works, but write it down instead of, and with no pictures.
57:17 Speaker 04 It's, it's a much worse medium.
57:19 Speaker 01 It's like having to read, read patents, which is awful.
57:21 Speaker 04 Well, the fun part is that you can, you can describe something in words and then ask 10 fucking people to draw what they just wrote and you'll come up with 10 different answers.
57:30 Speaker 01 Yeah. So I started doing videos like, oh, oh, it's a lot easier for me to say, to show it than to try and write it. And at the time I was just hosting Forgotten Weapons myself, and I did not have the income to pay for the bandwidth to host video content. Cause that was a thing that like, at one point people actually did was host their own video on their own website.
57:53 Speaker 03 A lot of people don't realize that, like the idea of YouTube, especially when it came into existence, what 2005, six?
57:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, five or six, I think.
58:00 Speaker 03 You, that was ground, this is fucking groundbreaking. You had to pay for your, any internet space, even for Pepperbox.
58:10 Speaker 01 And that's
58:10 Speaker 03 We pay for those servers to run. That's as expensive fucking thing.
58:14 Speaker 01 And that's literally why I started using YouTube is it's like, okay, I have this video. What do I do with it? Holy crap. Those idiots will let me host it for free. It wasn't, it wasn't like, at the time, I don't remember when they started monetization, but it was years.
58:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
58:28 Speaker 01 Years after I started using it, the monetization was even a thing.
58:32 Speaker 03 You just had that mindset. Holy shit, I'm gonna do this for free.
58:35 Speaker 01 Right. What? These idiots, that'll never last.
58:38 Speaker 04 You had to be like legit, like partnered to, to get monetization. Like you had to be like one of the a hundred people that, you know, that
58:47 Speaker 01 Chosen as a partnered creator. Like now the partner program is pretty much anybody. It's like, okay, well, if you you meet these criteria, there's tens of thousands of partners.
58:55 Speaker 04 Dude, it's wild that you were one of the few people I've talked to that you knew, hey, here's the cost of this and what drove people to YouTube.
59:03 Speaker 01 Yes.
59:03 Speaker 04 At that time was.
59:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:04 Speaker 04 It was sheer just cost of being able to upload a video, which is wild.
59:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:09 Speaker 04 For free.
59:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:10 Speaker 04 That's wild at that time.
59:12 Speaker 01 And so over time, over the following years, the video became more and more popular with people. For obvious reasons, it's more interesting to watch it than to read it. And so I started doing more of that. And today I still run the website, but it's basically just a copy paste of here's the video, here's the YouTube link, here's the description. I still write a reasonable description text for almost every video. Cause they originally were, this is an article with a companion video on it.
59:40 Speaker 04 Yes. Now it's like.
59:41 Speaker 01 Back when description was like super essential for SEO and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah. Cause YouTube has always been fantastic and transparent and easy to work with.
59:50 Speaker 04 They never lie or change things on the fly.
59:53 Speaker 01 I never really got into the SEO stuff and I still don't today. I.
59:58 Speaker 04 I gave up.
59:58 Speaker 01 I just figured ultimately the whole purpose of SEO is to get people access to the content that they're trying to find. So if I make content that I know is what people want to watch, I don't have to play SEO games. I can count on the SEO getting better over time and successfully leading gun nerds to my stuff, which appears to have worked.
1:00:20 Speaker 04 The only thing I do with SEO is try to make sure that somewhere in my description or title, like if you are looking for what I am, I have provided, then you should be able to find it in search.
1:00:29 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:00:30 Speaker 04 Other than that, I'm just making content for my audience.
1:00:33 Speaker 01 I will do things like if there are multiple different common names for a gun, I'll put one in the title, but I'll make sure to put the other or others in the description text somewhere.
1:00:42 Speaker 04 Right.
1:00:42 Speaker 01 And when I get, when I get weird foreign guns with foreign names that have umlauts or accent marks, I will always use just a plain English version for the title, but I'll try and put whatever the original character codes are in the description.
1:00:58 Speaker 04 That's smart.
1:00:59 Speaker 01 Cause sometimes if you put like an A with an umlaut and someone searches regular A, they won't find it. And then nobody ever sees your video.
1:01:05 Speaker 04 Cause I was gonna say there ain't no motherfucker on the planet that's, that's typing the original like Imperial German version. I'm like, well, your audience might be a little different.
1:01:15 Speaker 01 A lot of people don't realize how much effort even goes into that side of it. It's like, ah, okay, here's the first word for it. Okay, here's the second, here's the third, here's the fourth, just so hopefully y'all see it.
1:01:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:01:26 Speaker 01 On top of filming the videos, hosting the video, typing out the descriptions, all those little things that you have to worry about.
1:01:33 Speaker 04 Hmm. Yeah.
1:01:34 Speaker 01 Don't miss any of them.
1:01:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:01:35 Speaker 01 We do it all the time.
1:01:36 Speaker 04 But it's crazy to see like OG YouTube like that or OG gun tube. Cause like we, we stood on the, the shoulders of giants like IV and FPS Russia and everybody.
1:01:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:46 Speaker 04 It's, it's weird because there weren't a lot of people in the space back in the day.
1:01:49 Speaker 01 No, there weren't. And I didn't find anyone who was really digging into disassembly.
1:01:55 Speaker 04 Hmm.
1:01:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, I can do that. And as over time, like as I got deeper into it, um, I got more experience. I got more connections with collections and companies and museums. And today, like my biggest resource is my reference library. I have a lot of gun reference books.
1:02:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:02:15 Speaker 01 And, you know, not the Barnes Noble ones, but that, that weird one that they printed 150 copies in 1974 and it's $800 now.
1:02:23 Speaker 04 Those are so fun.
1:02:24 Speaker 01 But just finding, that's, that's where the information is.
1:02:27 Speaker 02 Cause have you ever had to go to Ian for any of your weapons rebuilds or anything?
1:02:33 Speaker 04 We've worked together on some stuff. Um, I don't think, we might've asked some questions on certain things. Um, usually the stuff we do is not to denigrate what we do, usually pretty surface level. Like there's nothing super in depth that we would have to dig for.
1:02:47 Speaker 01 And a lot of the stuff that I'm covering is kind of one of a kind. It's not the sort of thing that someone buys as a shooter and then needs to have worked on.
1:02:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:02:57 Speaker 02 I was just asking because I've seen your place as a fucking arms museum. So I was just wondering if there's like some obscure thing you have to hit him up for his weapons manuals that he has from 1916. There's five of them and he has one of them.
1:03:11 Speaker 04 There's certain things that are just so exotic that like, for, for example, one of them is the, uh, the PTRS 41.
1:03:19 Speaker 04 I'm trying to still like to this day, figure out how to safely shoot that fucking.
1:03:22 Speaker 01 I'm terrified of those things. I want to shoot one and a PTRD as well, but.
1:03:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:03:27 Speaker 01 I want someone else to shoot it with the same batch of ammo first. When I'm a safe distance.
1:03:32 Speaker 04 That's the fucking problem. They're there. So the PTRS 41, I've seen the look. Sorry. 14.
1:03:37 Speaker 03 No, I know this one. I have already watched the video. This is the one where I was like, oh, this is a.
1:03:43 Speaker 01 This is just the scaled up SKS.
1:03:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:03:46 Speaker 01 That one's easy to describe.
1:03:47 Speaker 04 Just funny because the SKS is really the scaled down PTRS.
1:03:49 Speaker 01 Exactly.
1:03:50 Speaker 04 The.
1:03:51 Speaker 03 Right, Cody?
1:03:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, you were thinking the BC 12.
1:03:54 Speaker 03 It was just the scaled up and down.
1:03:57 Speaker 02 It was the 69 420 that you were thinking of. Dumb bitch.
1:04:02 Speaker 04 So anyway, I'm going to mute their microphones.
1:04:06 Speaker 04 It was a 14.5 millimeter anti-tank rifle that was developed during World War II by Simonov.
1:04:11 Speaker 03 That big fucker sitting in your.
1:04:13 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, they're eight feet long. Big fucker. Uh, not the sleds, that's a Lottie.
1:04:17 Speaker 03 Oh, okay.
1:04:17 Speaker 04 Uh, this was the, this was the Russian one that came out in World War II by Simonov. I read in Kalashnikov's book that he said that it was made in like 33 sleepless nights. Uh, something like that.
1:04:28 Speaker 01 The PTRS was a little longer. The PTRD was about a one month project.
1:04:32 Speaker 04 Fuck me.
1:04:33 Speaker 01 We can talk about the PTRD in a moment because that one's even way more terrifying.
1:04:36 Speaker 04 I'm scared of that. The PTRD is basically the, the single shot or the bolt action.
1:04:40 Speaker 01 But it opens by itself.
1:04:42 Speaker 04 It's great.
1:04:43 Speaker 01 It's a bolt action, single shot. So open bolt, put round in, close bolt, but the bolt, the, the whole action is on a, basically a spring loaded chassis. So it, when you fire, it absorbs some of the recoil by moving back towards you. And the cheek rest has a cam plate on it. So when the whole thing moves back, the bolt handle hits this cam plate, pops open. The residual pressure opens the bolt and ejects the round while it's still coming towards your face.
1:05:13 Speaker 04 Super cool.
1:05:14 Speaker 01 And it's a fourteen five, which is, it's like nine hundred grain bullet at thirty three hundred feet per second.
1:05:21 Speaker 04 Dynamite.
1:05:22 Speaker 01 It is an incredible cartridge. It is the best anti-tank cartridge of World War II.
1:05:27 Speaker 04 They still use them in Ukraine.
1:05:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:05:28 Speaker 04 Like, it's still in use. It's, so fifty BMG is twelve point seven millimeter. This is fourteen point five, and it's, it's noticeably chunkier.
1:05:35 Speaker 01 Yeah. Um, it's the KPV round, isn't it?
1:05:38 Speaker 04 I think so.
1:05:38 Speaker 01 KPV machine gun cannon? Not quite a cannon, but.
1:05:42 Speaker 04 I saw one of those come up the other day, too. I've just seen some parts kits for them, like.
1:05:48 Speaker 04 It's, it's funny, because you can get around destructive device laws in the United States as an SOT, uh, because, fun fact, if it's a, so if it's a semi, or a, a, a single shot, semi-auto, whatever, uh, forty millimeter, let's say, forty millimeter grenade launcher, that's a destructive device. As a oh seven oh two SOT, I can only get two of those per year. If it's full auto, now suddenly it's a machine gun, so it doesn't fall under the destructive device category. I can buy as many as I want.
1:06:16 Speaker 01 You know, the other fun thing you can do with those, they're destructive devices because the bore diameter is greater than fifty caliber.
1:06:23 Speaker 04 Hmm.
1:06:23 Speaker 01 What happens if you take the barrel off the receiver?
1:06:27 Speaker 04 Hmm.
1:06:27 Speaker 01 It's now a rifle. It doesn't have a bore diameter if it doesn't have a barrel.
1:06:33 Speaker 04 Hmm.
1:06:35 Speaker 01 This is why you can re-barrel a boys in fifty BMG.
1:06:38 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:06:38 Speaker 01 And it's no longer a destructive device, but it is in fifty five. And you can take the barrel off of a boys, and you now have a non-regulated barrel and a non-regulated, well, a GCA rifle.
1:06:51 Speaker 04 If it's already registered as a DD, what happens then?
1:06:56 Speaker 01 Well, the receiver remains a DD. In theory, you could write to ATF and tell them to remove it from the registry. Um, one of the other places where this is, gets goofy is like with, with AOWs, with those, the short-brailed shotgun pistols, the Ithaca auto burglars. If you have, like, let's say you have two that aren't registered.
1:07:19 Speaker 04 Ben, just start, just start putting up, like, whenever we mention something, just put up the fucking picture of what we're talking about, because the boys are laws.
1:07:26 Speaker 01 Here, here's the dumb thing. You take, you take an AOW like that, you can't register it, legally speaking, but if you took the barrel off and put a different barrel on it, you could register it by as manufacturing it with the new set of barrels, but not with the set of barrels that was originally on it.
1:07:43 Speaker 01 Because if it's already got the barrels, you're not legally manufacturing it.
1:07:47 Speaker 04 The ATF is just so fucking silly. Like, just some of these things, like, you understand, like, it works for 90% of what they were trying to do, but it just-
1:07:54 Speaker 01 When they wrote these laws, they did not anticipate the autistic creativity of people that would come 100 years later.
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1:10:18 Speaker 04 I want one. It's called the Burglar.
1:10:19 Speaker 03 It's the Otto and Burglar.
1:10:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, you use it in your car and on burglars.
1:10:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:10:25 Speaker 04 Chicago special.
1:10:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, but dude breaks into my house. Welcome.
1:10:31 Speaker 01 I got one for each of you.
1:10:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's fucking wild.
1:10:36 Speaker 01 Those are cool. And those were reasonably popular until 1934, and then they were immediately not sold.
1:10:42 Speaker 04 On that note, I had a Serbu Super Shorty that I just picked up and I was going to make that my center console gun. It's about EA too long.
1:10:51 Speaker 01 That would have been great. Those are fun.
1:10:53 Speaker 04 It's a neat little, it's a neat little gun.
1:10:55 Speaker 01 I did a backup gun match with a friend recently where he used a Serbu Super Shorty and I used a Thunder Five.
1:11:03 Speaker 04 No shit.
1:11:04 Speaker 01 Yeah. And it was like, neither of these is a good idea.
1:11:09 Speaker 04 You get a, you'll get a kick out of this. We did a charity shoot for the, the local GOP a couple, a couple of weeks ago. And it was like, it was a skeet shoot or it was a, yeah, it was a skeet shoot, clay shoot.
1:11:19 Speaker 01 Me.
1:11:20 Speaker 04 And we knew like, I'm, I'm not a, I'm not a clay shooter. I haven't done it. I'll do it once in a while for like a charity thing, but I don't practice. I'm not going to win. And our team is, it was all my shop guys came out.
1:11:33 Speaker 04 We just said, you know what? We're not going to place and that's fine. We're just having fun supporting the, you know, supporting the, the cause. We're just going to bring the most autistic.
1:11:41 Speaker 01 Bring your dumbest shotguns.
1:11:42 Speaker 04 I shot it with a USAS.
1:11:46 Speaker 04 We had a USAS, a Saiga 12, a Benelli M4. Like, these were not skeet guns. We just
1:11:51 Speaker 01 Brilliant.
1:11:52 Speaker 04 fucked around.
1:11:52 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:11:53 Speaker 04 A trench gun, trench shotgun.
1:11:55 Speaker 01 Okay, yeah.
1:11:56 Speaker 04 Which actually is probably the best one of that and the M4.
1:12:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:01 Speaker 03 Guns. What the fuck? What the fuck? This is all this crazy shit. I have no idea. Oh, yeah.
1:12:07 Speaker 04 So.
1:12:07 Speaker 03 But going back to just really quick, favorite YouTuber, though.
1:12:11 Speaker 01 Nope.
1:12:11 Speaker 03 Watching guns, like, who did you watch? You like, hey, here's this. Or what was that next generation where you were like, oh, here's a different style of the same content, but I really enjoy watching this individual.
1:12:22 Speaker 01 Honestly, kind of with Brandon, I don't watch a lot of GunTube, and I kind of never have. These days, I'm just too busy.
1:12:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, trust me.
1:12:32 Speaker 01 I do a lot of filming and a lot of research and a lot of editing, and I just don't have a lot of time for for watching other people's content, which sucks.
1:12:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:12:40 Speaker 01 There is cool stuff out there that I would like to be able to, like, I haven't read a fiction book in like 10 years.
1:12:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:12:46 Speaker 01 Because I just don't have time.
1:12:49 Speaker 03 It's the fear also. A lot of times, and content creators will talk about this, it is, I don't want to have this idea pushed on me, or I don't want to steal this guy's idea, so I won't watch it just in case, and I get my interpretation of how I want to present this. So you won't watch people's content.
1:13:05 Speaker 04 Mine is much lazier. I just don't care.
1:13:08 Speaker 03 Oh, trust me, I'm worse at watching.
1:13:11 Speaker 04 Because, well, I mean, it is, it is serious where,
1:13:16 Speaker 04 you know, if you make your hobby your job, it ceases to be a hobby. So like, when I've been doing gun shit all day, the last thing I want to do is go sit and like, turn on my fucking smart TV and sit on the couch and watch more shit of what I already did all day.
1:13:28 Speaker 01 I'm weird in that way, in that I, I do this day in, day out, and I have not burned out on it.
1:13:34 Speaker 04 Really?
1:13:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, I still love doing it.
1:13:37 Speaker 04 I, yeah.
1:13:38 Speaker 03 There's a word for that, my friend.
1:13:40 Speaker 01 Probably a couple.
1:13:43 Speaker 04 I still, I still love it.
1:13:45 Speaker 01 So the problem that I've run into is one of like mental damage from, from grinding it for so long, which is that I have a very hard time relaxing or taking a vacation. Like I can't sit on a beach and, and drink a margarita. It just, five minutes in, I'm antsy, I'm bored. Like this is unproductive. No, I've got to do something.
1:14:08 Speaker 04 Two days in, I'm like having a panic attack.
1:14:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, exactly.
1:14:11 Speaker 02 That's, that's, dude, that's us. Like we did that a couple of months ago. Like I got an, I got a nice beach house for everyone to come hang out at. And I got it for seven days. So my family could stay there and shit. But like, we all got together and we're like, we can only be there for like two days max. Cause we were all at the same time. We're just like, I gotta, I gotta work. Like I gotta do the thing.
1:14:31 Speaker 04 It's great two days.
1:14:32 Speaker 02 It was fucking awesome.
1:14:33 Speaker 01 You'll appreciate this and you'll actually get the reference. Years ago, actually it was like five years ago now, uh, my wife really wanted to find something that the two of us could do together without me turning it into work. Cause normally like if we go anywhere, I'm gonna like, oh, did you know they had the I'm gonna go off and need to film something or.
1:14:53 Speaker 04 I think I know where you're going with this.
1:14:55 Speaker 01 And so for Christmas, she got us scuba diving lessons.
1:14:58 Speaker 04 Yep. So the, the spearfishing?
1:15:00 Speaker 01 No, oh no, it's better than that in several ways. Oh yeah. So this was a surprise to me. Like I didn't, I know her motivation now, but I didn't know it at the time. I was just like, oh, you know, the coolest presents are always the one that's just an envelope.
1:15:11 Speaker 02 There were guns in the ocean, sort of.
1:15:14 Speaker 01 I open it up and she's sitting there thinking like, this is going to be something fun we can do to relax. It won't be work. I opened up, I'm like scuba diving lessons. Did you know the Russians had an underwater rifle?
1:15:24 Speaker 04 The APS?
1:15:25 Speaker 01 Yes. And the Germans had one and there's some, and she was like, oh Jesus.
1:15:31 Speaker 01 And what makes it better is that now about five years on, we have actually started a second channel entirely dedicated to scuba diving.
1:15:40 Speaker 04 No shit?
1:15:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:41 Speaker 03 No shit? That actually turned into a.
1:15:43 Speaker 01 Yes. I've now literally turned her thing we can do that I won't turn into work into second piece of work.
1:15:50 Speaker 02 Do you want to share the channel?
1:15:51 Speaker 01 Uh, deep dive with Ian.
1:15:53 Speaker 04 Nice.
1:15:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:53 Speaker 02 Deep dive with Ian?
1:15:54 Speaker 01 So we ran it. It's been going.
1:15:56 Speaker 03 Getting in water. Deep diving sounds fucking terrifying to me. Oh, deep caving. Sorry.
1:16:01 Speaker 01 Like, oh God.
1:16:02 Speaker 03 I can do that. It's just, there's a certain, I get so low pressure.
1:16:06 Speaker 01 So we ran it.
1:16:07 Speaker 04 Me and Eli have that Mexican bone density where water's not our best friend.
1:16:11 Speaker 01 We ran the channel for a number of months just to get some content in it before we announced it anywhere. And I've mentioned it once or twice on Forgotten Weapons. It's right now, it's one video every two weeks. I think at the beginning of next year, we're going to bump it to one per week and then it'll just live there.
1:16:28 Speaker 04 I've seen some of your, your content. You posted to Instagram a while back, like the harpoon fishing.
1:16:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
1:16:34 Speaker 04 Like that, that shit seems pretty cool.
1:16:35 Speaker 01 It was very cool. Yeah.
1:16:37 Speaker 04 It was neat. Where'd you guys go?
1:16:38 Speaker 01 That was Pensacola.
1:16:40 Speaker 04 Really? Nice.
1:16:40 Speaker 01 So lion, that was a lionfish hunt. Lionfish are beautiful fish. You'll see them in aquariums all the time. Red and white striped with these big, I don't even like almost floral looking fins. They live in the Indo-Pacific and they're, the spines are venomous.
1:16:58 Speaker 04 Not lethal, but they hurt you up.
1:17:01 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. Yeah. They, especially if you get stung 90 feet underwater and you don't react well, like you'd better be able to keep calm and collected. But they have no defense mechanism that like, that is their defense mechanism against other fish. And they came over to the Caribbean, probably in ballast on a freighter and absolutely took over. They're invasive as hell. They will eat a third of their body weight every day.
1:17:27 Speaker 04 Holy shit.
1:17:28 Speaker 01 They obliterate reef systems.
1:17:31 Speaker 03 Very, very, very bad. Like cannot stress how. They're hogs. They are.
1:17:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're, they're the hogs of the wild, of the Caribbean and, and now the entire coast of North and South America, like all the way down into Brazil, all the way up, almost to New England now.
1:17:47 Speaker 03 They murder these fucks. Like that one guy, he shows a video.
1:17:50 Speaker 01 Oh, there's a guy with a classic guy with a Glock in Florida, shooting the thing.
1:17:53 Speaker 03 Oh, I've seen the guy with the spirit. He just, he had to do a video explaining why he's killing all this thing and putting him in the little vacuum tube. He's like, these are terrible. These are fucking god awful.
1:18:04 Speaker 01 What really makes it bad is that nothing eats them. Nothing on our side of the, the world recognizes them as prey. So nothing eats them. Like there are lots of fish that could, groupers could eat them, sharks could eat them, all sorts of things could eat them, but they don't see them as prey. So they don't.
1:18:19 Speaker 04 Just hundreds of generations of not knowing what the fuck that thing is.
1:18:22 Speaker 01 So maybe that'll change over time, but in the meantime, the only thing that keeps them in check is, is human predation. And what's convenient is they taste delicious.
1:18:31 Speaker 04 That's what I was.
1:18:32 Speaker 01 They are fantastic.
1:18:33 Speaker 02 Are they? Yeah. Have you cleaned one yourself? Are they, are they hard to do? Like? Okay.
1:18:38 Speaker 01 Normally, the guys who are really good at it don't even bother with the spines. Like, they're just dexterous enough, they know what to do. If you're not, you just take a pair of scissors and there's three or four separate spines and you just and then there's nothing to it. Like, there's no poison in the fish. It's only being pricked by the spines on the outside that is dangerous. So you just take the fillet off each side and throw the rest into the water.
1:19:05 Speaker 02 Nice, man. How much meat does like one good one yield?
1:19:09 Speaker 01 My wife and I measure them in tacos.
1:19:12 Speaker 02 Oh, nice. One taco, two taco, three taco.
1:19:15 Speaker 01 Five taco lionfish is about as big as you'll ever see.
1:19:18 Speaker 02 That's pretty.
1:19:19 Speaker 01 And that's like, that big.
1:19:20 Speaker 02 That's pretty cool.
1:19:21 Speaker 01 Something about that size is typical.
1:19:23 Speaker 02 So there's no regulations, you can kill as many as you want?
1:19:27 Speaker 01 It depends on where you are, but it's a lot like hogs. In some places, like, kill as many as you want with scuba in a marine-protected sanctuary. We don't care, just kill them all.
1:19:39 Speaker 02 Although, that's a very funny thought. You're like, oh yeah, I'm a professional harpoon lionfish poacher.
1:19:45 Speaker 01 Yeah. Normally, spearfishing is not compatible with scuba. It's basically seen as unsportsmanlike. It's too easy and it'll decimate fish populations. And it did in the early days of scuba. So usually, if you are legally spearfishing, you're doing it freediving.
1:20:05 Speaker 02 You ever done it?
1:20:07 Speaker 01 Freediving, no.
1:20:08 Speaker 02 Freediving, yeah.
1:20:08 Speaker 01 The only thing I've ever spearfished is lionfish.
1:20:10 Speaker 02 Gotcha.
1:20:11 Speaker 01 We did, the one day, it was a couple-day trip and one day was just kind of learning it, understanding it, how do I use the spear gun? And then the day we went out hunting, we did like 76 of them. Three of us together. Which is small potatoes by some people's professional standards.
1:20:28 Speaker 02 This is, imagine a piece of coral and everywhere you look, there is a lionfish. This is like, you're not supposed to be there, so like, oh!
1:20:36 Speaker 01 But the funny thing is, their defense mechanism is spines. They don't know to run away from anything. You can have five of them in a space the size of this table. And you spear one after another and the fifth one just sits there the entire time.
1:20:49 Speaker 02 Huh huh.
1:20:50 Speaker 01 Yeah. Doesn't, doesn't recognize danger.
1:20:55 Speaker 01 Now, if you try to hit one and you miss it, they figure that out and then they'll they'll run.
1:21:01 Speaker 04 It's funny. That reminds me of the, the, I don't know, the Instagram reels or whatever you see where they they build the little cardboard traps with the hole. Where the birds will just walk onto it to get the feed and just they'll watch their friends fall down the hole and just keep. Yeah. Don't fucking think anything of it.
1:21:15 Speaker 01 Exactly. I like that.
1:21:16 Speaker 03 Go this way.
1:21:17 Speaker 02 Oh dude, I I never knew that about lionfish. I thought that was always like this beautiful protected species. I never heard that before.
1:21:24 Speaker 01 Nope. Kill them in the U.S. Kill them all. In the Pacific, they're not an issue because they have natural predators.
1:21:30 Speaker 04 That was the first thing I thought when somebody mentioned going iguana hunting in Florida.
1:21:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21:34 Speaker 04 Because, you know, in in my mind, I'm like, okay, I have not really seen a whole lot of iguanas in my life.
1:21:40 Speaker 01 Right.
1:21:40 Speaker 04 You figure like that sounds exotic, should be protected. I had no idea that they were a massively invasive species.
1:21:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21:46 Speaker 03 This was crazy about a lot. Hogs are a good example of, oh, were you just wasting their corpses? That's not right. And you're like, no. If we don't kill seven hundred out of a million, if you kill seven hundred and fifty thousand of them, a million by the next breeding season. That's wild. It's like, hey, no, we have to curb the whole. Or essentially.
1:22:08 Speaker 02 And that's why you always see the videos of dudes just having fun with them just on a truck with like a fifty maybe, just like plowing them down. I'm a big. They fuck up like especially Texas, the agriculture in Texas, they fuck everything up. And there's so many people online. It's like, you're not even eating them. That that thing's like, no, no, no, they need to go.
1:22:27 Speaker 04 I'm a big animal lover.
1:22:29 Speaker 01 They are worth eating. Like I did a lot of my, when I learned to hunt, a lot of it was on hog. And the meat, if you if you process it well, it's good meat.
1:22:37 Speaker 04 Depends where you're at too, I think.
1:22:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, if they're eating trash.
1:22:40 Speaker 01 Well, that's true. Yeah.
1:22:41 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:22:42 Speaker 03 And again, it is so many you have to kill just to maintain the equilibrium of that species. Like and hogs, you can't eat everyone. You'd be fucked.
1:22:54 Speaker 04 I'm gonna, I'm a big animal lover. Like I don't like to kill for the sake of killing, you know, that sort of thing. Like I'm I'm down for hunting, but like I feel, you know, I feel a little empathy for the animal. Hogs, I feel nothing. Like those are just less than living creatures. Yeah. The first time you see one gore or golden retriever, like all bets are off. You're like, fuck you.
1:23:12 Speaker 01 We stab dogs.
1:23:13 Speaker 04 Imagine. Yeah.
1:23:15 Speaker 03 I forgot about that.
1:23:16 Speaker 04 Yeah, we did the the knife hunt with the dogs and everything like that.
1:23:18 Speaker 02 That was my first time ever hunting.
1:23:20 Speaker 04 Dang.
1:23:21 Speaker 03 Knives.
1:23:22 Speaker 02 Knives.
1:23:22 Speaker 03 They make the best squeals.
1:23:24 Speaker 04 You know, we have technology for this now.
1:23:27 Speaker 02 Nah, it felt good.
1:23:30 Speaker 03 We're going back.
1:23:31 Speaker 04 Cause he's like, I. We go to Florida. We go to Florida for this hunt and I'm like, oh, so like, what kind of hunting have you done? Cause this was years ago. We went down there. I'm like, oh, so like, what's your experience hunting? He's like, I've never done.
1:23:44 Speaker 02 With a knife.
1:23:45 Speaker 04 He's like, I've never gone hunting before. I'm like, oh shit. Well, this is gonna be a hell of an intro. Like, most people start with deer, you know, duck, dove, something like that. You're like, no, bowie knife, hog.
1:23:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was cool shit.
1:24:00 Speaker 04 I mean, it's.
1:24:01 Speaker 02 I was, I was very adverse to hunting, um, because when I was like 14, I got shot in the face with a bow.
1:24:07 Speaker 04 Oh.
1:24:07 Speaker 02 It's like, I really didn't want to go around hunting.
1:24:10 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah. We had a hole in the bow. Wow.
1:24:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, so I got a little hole right there. So I did, I never really hunted and we go down there, which was hilarious, because it was me and you, Kentucky ballistics.
1:24:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:24:21 Speaker 02 And Chuck Liddell.
1:24:24 Speaker 04 It was a wild crew. And they walked into bar? Is this a punchline?
1:24:29 Speaker 02 Oh, we walked into a couple of bars.
1:24:30 Speaker 04 I bet you didn't.
1:24:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, they had, uh, they had the fucking pits with a cavalier, so the the hogs didn't gore them. And the pits would like grab by its face and hold it down. And you just got this big fucking bowie knife and you just shank it.
1:24:45 Speaker 04 I remember feeling kind of bad because I like, I'd never hunted with dogs before in my life. Like, that always seemed a little like, I don't know. I'm, I'm conflicted about this and.
1:24:54 Speaker 03 Have you seen nature?
1:24:56 Speaker 04 Well, you know, to train, train dogs to fight. Well, for one, like if you're, you're having, I don't know. I just, I have certain reservations, but.
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1:25:08 Speaker 04 Being on the no fly list. Pops.
1:25:10 Speaker 03 I was thinking more about the luggage and what it can carry.
1:25:14 Speaker 02 Oh, the luggage. Yep, yep.
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1:26:49 Speaker 04 And then I watched one of these dogs get fucking tossed like 15 feet by this pig. And I'm new to this world. I'm like, oh shit, like, is the dog okay? Dog smacks the ground, rolls, gets up.
1:27:04 Speaker 04 And it's just like, he's having the best fucking day of his life. Like this is what they're, they're made for and they love it.
1:27:08 Speaker 03 And Chuck Liddell is like, I recognize that.
1:27:11 Speaker 04 Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
1:27:12 Speaker 03 The dog was Chuck Liddell.
1:27:16 Speaker 03 Chuck came running on all fours.
1:27:17 Speaker 04 They both panted the same. You guys all went first.
1:27:23 Speaker 02 And then they, I ended up with the biggest goddamn pig ever.
1:27:27 Speaker 04 When, when they got your pig, cause like that took a minute for you to kill it. Cause it was a big fucker.
1:27:31 Speaker 02 I was hitting it right where it should have been. Like I know where a heart is and I'm just digging and just like fucking just stabbing this thing.
1:27:40 Speaker 04 It's a hell of a sound.
1:27:41 Speaker 03 I'm pretty happy to just stick with a rifle, I think.
1:27:44 Speaker 04 Well, see, that was the thing. When they, when they butchered his pig, uh, they were like, they recognized it. They were like, we knew, we knew this was on property. Like we, he was a mean fucker. Um, so they have these cartilage plates on their shoulders and they, they peeled the plate out. It had, um, healed up buckshot in it where people have tried to take this fucker down with a shotgun.
1:28:04 Speaker 02 It had other pigs tusks in it, like buckshot. Like it had tons of shit in it.
1:28:09 Speaker 03 Wow. Pigs, I dude, that was the first time it was flying in a little helicopter, shooting one. I was like, maybe I'm missing. Cause it was a big one. Just fucking, just charging ta, ta, ta, ta. I'm probably missing cause it's not falling. I aim up just a smidge. I'm like, maybe, I don't know. Let's figure out. Boom. I see dirt. I'm like, I'm hitting this motherfucker in the side and it is just sprinting. It's like, okay, let's aim a little forward. It dropped, but they will eat. And that was a, that was a seven, six, two. That was a AK round. Yeah.
1:28:44 Speaker 04 Oh, no, no.
1:28:44 Speaker 03 Seven, six, two by thirty nine. Yeah. And I was just and it was just full charging, eight, 10, 15 rounds aimed up, seen the dirt kicked up, readjusted. That was the only thing that put it down.
1:28:57 Speaker 04 Yeah, shit.
1:28:58 Speaker 03 Those, those, uh, their little armor plates essentially.
1:29:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:29:02 Speaker 03 They're bone. It's here.
1:29:04 Speaker 02 It's fucking nasty.
1:29:05 Speaker 03 Eat bullets all day long. Like, uh, uh, so with your, okay. So you don't watch gun YouTube. What would you watch if you actually, or are you like, I just work? I just like, I like my work. Yeah. No shit. That was twenty four seven. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah.
1:29:23 Speaker 03 What do you do for fun other than make your
1:29:25 Speaker 01 Scooba.
1:29:25 Speaker 03 More work. That is your fun time, which is now also work.
1:29:29 Speaker 01 Occasionally I do other stuff, but it's usually going to be like history oriented in some way. Cause that's what interests me.
1:29:39 Speaker 01 Couple of friends and I went to East Falkland and hiked the, the British paratrooper y oomph across East Falkland a couple of years ago. Like that was a vacation. That was fun.
1:29:50 Speaker 04 You seem, you do seem to be traveled like as far as.
1:29:53 Speaker 01 Sixty miles, a hundred kilometers.
1:29:55 Speaker 04 You, you, you guys hiked the whole thing?
1:29:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, we rocked it.
1:29:58 Speaker 03 That's why when he said, that's my vacation. I was like, how many miles was this vacation? Sixty miles.
1:30:04 Speaker 04 Yeah. Cause like you seem to get across Europe, all over the place. Like just going to a bunch of like historically significant places.
1:30:10 Speaker 01 I have. Yeah. I've worked up some really good relationships with a bunch of collectors and organizations in Europe. You know, a lot of, we have a tremendous number of cool guns here, but there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't exist here and it does exist in Europe. And so I'd spend time in both places.
1:30:29 Speaker 04 I'm actually not sure the answer to this. Have you been to the Zastava factory?
1:30:33 Speaker 01 No, I have not. I've been to HS product a couple of times in Croatia, but I have not actually been to Serbia.
1:30:40 Speaker 04 And I know that kind of their claim to fame is, and maybe this is true, but I, I heard it was true that they still have from the, the war in the nineties. They still have a crater in their, the campus of their, their factory.
1:30:54 Speaker 01 Oh, I totally believe that. I don't know for sure, but that's a thousand percent plausible.
1:30:59 Speaker 04 So historically, the breakup of Yugoslavia was not exactly peaceful. Um, and so the Zostava arms factory is in Serbia and they apparently were being shelled during that time. And there's a giant fucking crater that's still in the campus of that arms factory where you get like Zostava, like M seventies, M seventy sevens, whatever, like those AK variants in the States. They're still made in Serbia at that factory.
1:31:22 Speaker 03 No shit. It's fucking wild. So with what would be your dream museum or gun library to check out or do a video on?
1:31:31 Speaker 01 Right now, probably the one at the top of my list is the German Army Technical Museum in a town called Koblenz in Germany. And I've actually tried getting, making some contacts there. And it seems like there's German government bureaucracy that it's probably not going to really work well. But it is an amazing collection with a ton of weird, interesting World War II stuff. German and other. Why do you think they're giving you pushback on that? Because they're a government. Okay. Because I want to go into the back rooms of a German military small arms facility and play with stuff. And, you know, das ist nicht possible. We should, we should talk to some guys about that.
1:32:16 Speaker 03 I know. That's why I'm like, I'd rather just hear like, hey, here's my one, two, and three. And then we can see what is possible from those one, two, and threes.
1:32:24 Speaker 01 The thing with collections like that. So first off, with museums, I basically, it's irrelevant to me what's on display at the museum. Because I'm not going to be able to film it. Because they're not going to disassemble the museum display for me to come in and do video. And museums usually display the most common stuff. They're going to display the things that people will recognize. You go into the US Marine Corps Museum, you want to see M16s, M60s, M1 Garrens, 1911s. You don't necessarily want to, like, no one's going to recognize the McLean gun that they've got in the back. That is the original predecessor to the Lewis. Only two ever existed. It looks like a sci fi prop. And it doesn't, and it doesn't really work.
1:33:07 Speaker 03 Now, I'm pulling out my phone.
1:33:09 Speaker 01 But they've got one.
1:33:10 Speaker 03 What's it called?
1:33:10 Speaker 01 McLean. M C C L E A N. Mick. Clean.
1:33:17 Speaker 03 Rifle?
1:33:17 Speaker 01 That's the stuff that I'm going to go to.
1:33:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:33:19 Speaker 01 Yeah. Right?
1:33:21 Speaker 03 What the fuck?
1:33:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:33:22 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's that steampunk shit I like from the turn of the century. That's fucking crazy.
1:33:27 Speaker 01 What the fuck?
1:33:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:33:30 Speaker 01 Cue.
1:33:32 Speaker 03 Add more parts, more parts. What?
1:33:34 Speaker 01 So, so for example, the US Marine Corps Museum has or had one of those.
1:33:39 Speaker 03 More springs.
1:33:40 Speaker 01 That's what I want to go film. So I have to get into the back of a museum. And depending on who owns it, there's going to be various regulations. If it's a military facility, there's usually very formal, strict regulations on how, you know, you need a security clearance or you need some sort of permission from somebody. And so these always basically come down to personal connections. I need to find someone who I can speak to personally at a facility who can either authorize it or get authorization on my behalf.
1:34:11 Speaker 04 Eli, do you want to tell the story?
1:34:13 Speaker 03 I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at. It looks like a, as you said, steampunk sci-fi. It looks like it can weld something.
1:34:22 Speaker 01 I think you can breathe underwater with it.
1:34:23 Speaker 03 As a giant spring. Like.
1:34:27 Speaker 01 But you can see the magazine on there. You can see the, the origin of a few of the little bits.
1:34:31 Speaker 03 Yeah. Dude, that's wild.
1:34:33 Speaker 04 That looks like something straight out of Bioshock.
1:34:34 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:34:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:34:35 Speaker 04 Um, but Eli, do you want to tell the story about, uh, fucking Ethan habitual? Which habitually fat?
1:34:41 Speaker 03 On which one?
1:34:43 Speaker 04 Access to a museum.
1:34:45 Speaker 03 Which movie? Oh, oh, actually the, uh.
1:34:48 Speaker 04 Yeah. I think there was a, what was that? Fort, that was in Oklahoma.
1:34:52 Speaker 03 But that was Fort Seal. That was the guys having an issue where they had clearance to go to this museum that is open to the public. And they're like, okay, hey, can we get on base? He cleared it with everyone weeks in advance and then they get there.
1:35:08 Speaker 04 People fly in from three different places to make this happen.
1:35:11 Speaker 01 This is also a shoreline crosser, right? Who military give Nick prior military. And then they're, then they, yeah, and full fin. Yeah.
1:35:20 Speaker 03 Camera guy. But like all three, okay, it's been cleared.
1:35:23 Speaker 01 Cool.
1:35:24 Speaker 03 Everything's good to go. You're allowed on base and you can film this. So day of what happens is, hey. We are landing, we show up, oh no, we can't do that. It's like, why, why not? Oh, we need to get Jag involved. Why? Well, you have a whole bunch of followers. So, well, this could look bad on us.
1:35:44 Speaker 01 Wait, we didn't think anyone was gonna actually watch you.
1:35:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was like, oh, well, you have a bunch of followers. So now you could actually damage our reputation. So you cannot be seen doing this. And then they pulled it.
1:35:56 Speaker 02 The military guys that would make the military look good, the dudes who were in our, our end at the moment, which is fucking wild.
1:36:06 Speaker 03 This will look good. This is great PR. This is great. Everything. If you let this happen. And then, no.
1:36:12 Speaker 01 I had a gun factory that I arranged a very similar sort of thing. Like, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna spend three days filming. And I'm gonna get all sorts of cool content about this company's old, like, you guys would love them. Brandon would love them.
1:36:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, you're the gun guy.
1:36:28 Speaker 01 Yeah. And I flew there and I got in and, and I'm like, all right, so where should I set up? And they're like, set up for what? I'm like, for filming. And they're like, oh, that's not possible. And I'm like, what? Like, why am I here? And I flew home. And I've had that happen once.
1:36:47 Speaker 03 Holy shit, you actually flew there and they were like, oh no, we can't.
1:36:51 Speaker 01 And it ended, yeah. And they're like, oh no, you can't film anything.
1:36:54 Speaker 03 So the guys that
1:36:55 Speaker 01 I'm like
1:36:56 Speaker 03 Actually
1:36:57 Speaker 01 What?
1:36:58 Speaker 03 They were turned away at the gate. I called, I knew nothing about this other than Nick. I called Nick, he's like, hey, how goes filming? And he was like
1:37:06 Speaker 01 So funny story about that.
1:37:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, we got turned away, but we have a solution. We're driving an hour down south. We'll film there. There's a museum, blah, blah, blah. I was like, oh, fucking hold the fuck on. Let me make a call. And thankfully, we have great relationships with the highest people in the military. And I just told them the situation. I was like, hey, this is stupid as fuck. And they agreed. They called and instantly, Nick's like, uh, they are allowing us back on base and giving us personal too. I don't know what happened. I was like, well.
1:37:37 Speaker 01 I needed that connection and I didn't have it.
1:37:41 Speaker 03 That connection's very helpful because they seen the big picture. It's like, this just looks good. Like across the board, this looks way better than, hey, we just turned these people away. Because the people that turned you away, when you got there. Does not
1:37:55 Speaker 01 Oh, I have a, I have a very adversarial. Well, I don't think they know it, but I have a very adversarial relationship with them now.
1:38:02 Speaker 04 We can cut this part from the podcast, but who was it?
1:38:04 Speaker 01 I'll tell you later when we're off camera. I don't, I want to go back there and like the content's too good for me to just
1:38:11 Speaker 04 Burn a bridge.
1:38:11 Speaker 01 To burn it.
1:38:12 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:38:12 Speaker 01 Uh, so I don't want to say who it is, but I've only had that happen once. Um,
1:38:17 Speaker 03 What did they think they were doing?
1:38:18 Speaker 01 I have no idea. I honestly don't know. Um, I think part of it was the people who were making the decisions or the people, the people with the authority at that point were mid-level managerial sorts who didn't really like guns and didn't really, they didn't know who I was, what I was doing and didn't care. And like, I think it was
1:38:42 Speaker 04 The employee handbook says I'm not supposed to.
1:38:44 Speaker 01 Right. And what do I have to gain from taking a risk on anything? If it'd been upper management?
1:38:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:38:50 Speaker 01 They would have looked at it, went, the chances are pretty good that our PR is going to come out better as a result of this. But you get down to the mid-level where it's like, if, if this turns out great, my boss gets credit.
1:39:02 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:39:02 Speaker 01 And if it turns out terrible, I get fired. So, no.
1:39:07 Speaker 04 Ban people.
1:39:07 Speaker 01 Nothing.
1:39:08 Speaker 04 That's most the government, frankly.
1:39:09 Speaker 03 I was gonna say, I was like, that is as government as it gets. So it's like, no, I don't want to take, nope, this is not worth the risk. I'm going to play it safe, get Jag involved.
1:39:17 Speaker 01 Honestly, what's so fantastic now is I've been doing this long enough and I've built enough of a reputation that most of the museum and gun people that I work with know who I am now. Like, and they've seen some of the work I've done and they're willing to hand me a one-off prototype and they're like, just don't break it, please. And
1:39:39 Speaker 04 And you really don't go after people. Like you, you don't do hit pieces.
1:39:43 Speaker 01 No, no.
1:39:44 Speaker 03 Yet.
1:39:44 Speaker 01 I mean,
1:39:45 Speaker 03 When does that start?
1:39:46 Speaker 01 Like the closest thing I, that, one of the things I love is the vast majority of the work I do is with companies and designers who are dead and out of business.
1:39:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:39:54 Speaker 01 Like, I don't have to worry about offending Paul Mauser because he's dead. You know.
1:40:02 Speaker 04 Is what it is.
1:40:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, it makes it really easy to to review guns without having like that that social pressure, personal relationship thing built into it.
1:40:12 Speaker 04 I prefer it because you know, there's a lot of people like, oh, you're just reporting on it this way because you you have a personal vendetta against Sig. Nobody accuses me of that for schmeizer.
1:40:21 Speaker 01 Right, exactly.
1:40:22 Speaker 04 Really easy. I understand why you stick with what you do.
1:40:24 Speaker 01 Yeah. And I've had some that are tough, like a good example is full conceal. Do you remember them?
1:40:30 Speaker 04 I remember them.
1:40:31 Speaker 01 I I did not. I actually have a video coming on a full conceal. I bought it.
1:40:37 Speaker 04 Now that they're a forgotten weapon.
1:40:38 Speaker 01 Almost immediately when they went out of business, I bought one.
1:40:41 Speaker 04 What is this?
1:40:42 Speaker 01 It's a folding Glock.
1:40:44 Speaker 04 You probably remember those.
1:40:45 Speaker 03 My god.
1:40:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:46 Speaker 03 Oh, man, that is so recent, too.
1:40:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was cool. I saw him at shot show. It was a neat idea, but like, it's so not going to work. It's I know it's not going to work. And I cannot in any sort of good faith, do some sort of publicity on it that says that it's a good idea. Because it's not.
1:41:05 Speaker 04 No.
1:41:05 Speaker 01 And so I don't I I don't want to get too hubristic here, but I don't want to be the guy who does a video on it and kills this little company. So I'm just gonna wait because I know you guys are gonna go out of business and then I'll cover it.
1:41:19 Speaker 03 And they did.
1:41:20 Speaker 01 And they did. And I just I did a backup gun match with a full conceal this summer and the video is coming.
1:41:24 Speaker 04 How much was it?
1:41:26 Speaker 01 It was like 600 bucks or something.
1:41:27 Speaker 04 That's really not bad.
1:41:28 Speaker 01 No, it was it was basically the price of a regular Glock 19.
1:41:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:41:33 Speaker 02 At the time, you could just pull out.
1:41:36 Speaker 04 Did you? Did you see those?
1:41:37 Speaker 02 Like said, the folding Glock? Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. It's like, it's kind of the same price. It's one you could just pull out of your waistband.
1:41:43 Speaker 04 The crazy part was they're less concealable than a Glock in a good holster.
1:41:50 Speaker 01 Right.
1:41:50 Speaker 04 It's like, oh, yeah, you just put it in your pocket.
1:41:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was like intended for cargo pants pockets. Because you can just drop it in there when you wouldn't maybe take the time to put on a holster.
1:42:00 Speaker 04 So when you're being but when you're being the sheepdog that everybody doesn't recognize as the gray man, where you're wearing your Black Rifle Coffee t shirt, your 511 tactical pants and your, you know. Your Solomons with a high and tight and, you know, Oakley shades. Nobody knows you have a gun.
1:42:16 Speaker 01 To be fair, no one's going to expect that the gun's that blocky thing in the cargo pants pocket.
1:42:20 Speaker 04 Fair enough. Well, I mean, it's kind of a similar concept as like the FM nines and just like the folding, the B and T, stuff like that. I think they're really cool. I like them. Yeah. I, the only, the only good use I ever saw for those was, I don't know, I don't remember if it was like Future Weapons, some military channel shit like 10 years ago.
1:42:40 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:42:40 Speaker 04 But the guy went to like a food court in the mall and had it out there on the table as if it was like his backup reserve battery for his laptop.
1:42:49 Speaker 01 Cause that was sort of a thing at one point in that sort of form. Yeah.
1:42:53 Speaker 04 But nobody knew it. He's just like, yeah, I was just sitting here with a machine gun on the table for three hours, eating my Chick-fil-A and nobody paid any attention. I'm like, that's kind of neat. But I don't know if there's a purpose.
1:43:05 Speaker 02 Would you ever? Yeah, exactly. When would you ever fucking need that?
1:43:08 Speaker 04 You know what we're talking about, right? The little like the square, like the fold out machine guns, like machine guns.
1:43:12 Speaker 02 Didn't Kevin have one?
1:43:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, he did actually have one of the, uh, the prototypes. Um, I'm, I'm blanking on exactly what it was, but it was one of like nine that was made.
1:43:22 Speaker 01 Yeah. It was, someone like found all of those and discovered they were transferable still.
1:43:26 Speaker 04 Really?
1:43:27 Speaker 01 It was some, uh, the FM, FMBG nine, FMG nine, something. Yeah. It was one of those folding guns. Like, I think they just were sitting in some collection or some company stockroom or something. So the thing with Valmet was Valmet as a company tried to, they convinced the Finnish army, like, we should try this stamped thing because it'll be cheaper and you'll pay less for your guns. And the Finnish army was like, oh, pay less. We like the sound of that. Okay. Give it a try.
1:43:56 Speaker 02 Ian, when, when was this?
1:43:58 Speaker 01 Uh, 76.
1:43:59 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:44:00 Speaker 01 Right, 1970s. Um, cause they started developing it a little bit earlier. Um, they actually, how deep do you want me to get into this?
1:44:08 Speaker 04 Go for it. I'm, I'm fucking here. I don't actually know this, a lot about this.
1:44:11 Speaker 02 We're having a masterclass on this right now.
1:44:13 Speaker 01 So here is, and by the way, I know this because I am currently working on a book on Finnish small arms, including development of Finnish AKs.
1:44:22 Speaker 04 What's the name of it?
1:44:23 Speaker 01 It is called Forged in Snow and it is currently on Kickstarter.
1:44:26 Speaker 02 It's a really good name, actually.
1:44:28 Speaker 01 It's a super cool looking cover with a, yeah. Yeah, I'd spend some time on that.
1:44:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:44:34 Speaker 01 But yeah, it covers.
1:44:35 Speaker 04 Where can we, where can we find links to this? Because I would like to buy one.
1:44:38 Speaker 01 Kickstarter. I can give you the link.
1:44:43 Speaker 03 We'll put it down below.
1:44:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:44:44 Speaker 01 Yeah. That'd be awesome.
1:44:45 Speaker 04 Would love to do that. So I will be clicking, clicking the links in the description and in the pinned comment of this episode.
1:44:51 Speaker 01 Thank you.
1:44:51 Speaker 04 Because I would really like to see that.
1:44:53 Speaker 01 So it's not just AKs. It covers Finnish manufactured military small arms. So 1918 through basically present day. But of course, the AK is a big part of that. And what's funny is from the very beginning, when the Finns are adopting the AK, one of, one of the only questions that there's real debate about is do we have aperture sights or notch sights? Do we use the standard AK notch? Or do we put an aperture back on the end of the dust cover? And it comes down to like, the aperture is more accurate, but it's not as good in low light. And if you get it filled with mud or snow, it's hard to clean out. You get a notch sight full of mud, it's easier to like, wipe it out, get it usable.
1:45:36 Speaker 04 That and if you do like the Galeal route where it's on the dust cover, it's less reliable, just because you have the, the motion on the dust cover, like it's, it, the return to zero is questionable.
1:45:45 Speaker 01 It's interesting that that never seemed to really be an issue for the Finns. And I think part of it was they had, they expected relatively short engagement ranges. Like during the winter war, they used very few scoped rifles, because they were usually, you know, they're in forests.
1:46:02 Speaker 03 So did they get open, like my, without any knowledge, I would have chosen open sight because, okay, we just need quick acquisition if it's close.
1:46:12 Speaker 01 And that's why you're not an officer.
1:46:14 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:46:16 Speaker 01 They went with aperture.
1:46:17 Speaker 03 Really? No shit? Even for close engagements? They're like, no, we're gonna use.
1:46:21 Speaker 04 So if I want to engage people at 50 yards, I want to make sure most of my vision of the target is obscured.
1:46:26 Speaker 01 So, no, no. They, they came up with a solution to this. And it's on your Valmet.
1:46:31 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:46:31 Speaker 01 They added night sights.
1:46:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:46:33 Speaker 01 Five years or so after, after they started production, the night sight is a notch. You take the aperture rear sight leaf and you flip it 180 degrees forward.
1:46:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:46:43 Speaker 01 And you've got a big open notch. And that was for night fighting, but it also was a good solution for close quarters, for urban, for I'm in really tight brush.
1:46:55 Speaker 01 And it was recognized as being a dual purpose thing.
1:46:58 Speaker 04 No shit.
1:46:59 Speaker 01 At any rate, as we go forward a little bit, um, in the 1970s, Valmet decided to make a run of stamped receiver guns with traditional AK style sights. Cause there was still this argument, even though they'd adopted apertures, there was still an argument in the Finnish military that we would have been better off with open sights. And so Valmet convinced them to like, let's give it a try, you know, test the apertures against this new open site gun that we have that we want to sell you. That's the M71. It's notable because it gets used, I think in Red Dawn.
1:47:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:47:31 Speaker 01 They end up selling them in the U S as semi-auto commercial guns. And they're like the closest thing you can get to an actual commie block AK at first.
1:47:41 Speaker 04 Yeah. Cause that was, uh, what they used for, I think the, uh, a lot of the guns in Red Dawn for like the RPKs and shit like that. That are like, they're dressing it up for guns. You can't get in the States. Cause you forget like in, in 1983 or whenever Red Dawn was filmed, because it came out in 84, you couldn't get shit like that. So you could get Egyptian Ma'atis and you can get Valmet's. And that's what they used.
1:48:02 Speaker 01 And that's also why we have no surplus Carcano ammo, but we'll get into that later.
1:48:05 Speaker 04 I'm curious where you're going with that.
1:48:07 Speaker 01 So Valmet spends a couple of years developing their own stamped sheet metal receiver, essentially their own AKM, but they don't have the technical plans for the AKM. They have to do it themselves. They put this open notch sight on it. They give it to the army and the army testing goes, yeah, we're good. Like actually we'll take the one we had. So they go, oh shit. Okay. And that's when they start moving it to the civilian market. Maybe we can sell these as a semi-auto gun to civilians in Europe and in the U S. But they convinced the army to give them a try making the original pattern rifles, but now with stamped receivers, because it'll be cheaper. They do it for five years and they come to the conclusion that the stamping stamped receiver actually gives them no benefit. It's less durable.
1:48:53 Speaker 01 I mean, the Finnish army is a conscript army. Everyone does mandatory service with a small cohort of full-time professionals so that if someone, Russia, invades, they call up all the reservists. They've got half a million men in the army.
1:49:10 Speaker 01 But you give eighteen-year-old conscript recruits stamped sheet metal AKs, and they do dumb shit with them, and they get bent or dented in ways that a solid chunk of steel receiver cannot get dented.
1:49:24 Speaker 02 It's like a US Marine. Like, you'll unravel bar bearings.
1:49:28 Speaker 01 I had someone send me a video recently of some Swedish soldiers using their Sturmgever Nineties, their PE Nineties, as pogo sticks.
1:49:43 Speaker 03 When you're in the military, you beat the shit out of your weapon. I will, my M4, that's when I got no new weapons or anything when I bought in the civilian market. I would treat it the same way. It's like, oh, if I can jam.
1:49:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:58 Speaker 03 If I can just stomp it to unjam, I was like, man, this is what I did. This is how I learned. I can do the exact same.
1:50:04 Speaker 02 You pogo stick it.
1:50:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:50:06 Speaker 02 Exactly. We pogo stick our guns all the time.
1:50:10 Speaker 01 The running joke about. No, no, I mean pogo stick. I mean.
1:50:15 Speaker 01 The bayonet lug and the front sight blade to stand on and hold the buttstock and jump on it.
1:50:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:50:21 Speaker 03 Still, I bet it worked afterwards.
1:50:24 Speaker 02 Yeah, every gun that Kevin brings in gives us, I like to pogo stick test it.
1:50:29 Speaker 03 Speaking of which, I found the photo.
1:50:31 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:50:32 Speaker 03 That was the one where they still, they disguised that. It's like the folding machine gun.
1:50:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, from, was it Robocop? I think it was. Yeah, yeah, it's got the radio antenna on it because it was supposed to be back then. It was a radio, not a backup battery for your laptop.
1:50:48 Speaker 03 I remember that. Yeah, I remember Kevin bringing that, showing that.
1:50:52 Speaker 02 And then he stole my Hitler locket.
1:50:55 Speaker 01 As one has, naturally.
1:50:56 Speaker 02 And a rifle grenade launcher on a star.
1:50:59 Speaker 04 Cool.
1:51:01 Speaker 01 It was an old school.
1:51:03 Speaker 04 Oh, that's an old suppressor. Yeah.
1:51:05 Speaker 01 And then he had the.
1:51:06 Speaker 04 Double says rifle grenade launcher though.
1:51:08 Speaker 03 Was it a machine gun he brought out?
1:51:09 Speaker 04 Oh, the Stoner sixty three.
1:51:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:51:11 Speaker 04 He had a Stoner sixty three A.
1:51:13 Speaker 01 Nice.
1:51:13 Speaker 02 I love the Rafiki though, dude.
1:51:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:51:16 Speaker 02 That thing was cool. That was my favorite counter strike gun.
1:51:20 Speaker 04 Fun, um, fun fact about Red Dawn, though. I was talking about this little, uh, the other day because we, we just buried my grandfather. And.
1:51:29 Speaker 01 Sorry.
1:51:29 Speaker 04 The, the town that he lived in, in New Mexico, uh, was actually the exact same town that they filmed the original Red Dawn in. So it was Las Vegas, New Mexico. And it's funny because there's still a bunch of shit around that town where they, they still have the mural of like the cowgirl up on the side of the building. They have in the town museum, they have the original plaque where the Russian reads it wrong. It's like, oh yes, great general. Teddy Roosevelt, uh, killed many savages here, like that whole thing. Like they have the, the original plaque and everything like the whole town. Like you could just look around like you're just driving to get tacos or something. You're like, hey, wait a minute. That's where they blew up the train station.
1:52:10 Speaker 01 Nice.
1:52:10 Speaker 03 What, uh, so with everything you do now, what is some of the weapons that are your favorite? Like, okay, this is, I know you have your own collection. What would be your favorite in your collection?
1:52:20 Speaker 01 I don't really have a favorite in my own collection.
1:52:22 Speaker 03 You liar. That's what people say about their kids.
1:52:25 Speaker 01 So the thing is, the thing is, what interests me is new and interest is novel. Like if I've had it for a long time, I'm less interested in it because I feel like, well, I kind of know about that.
1:52:36 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:52:36 Speaker 01 Not a lot to go back and find about it. And so my favorite thing at any given time will be something that I've gotten in the last month. Or filmed or worked on or, and then over time that kind of fades. So like, ooh, I want to find something new and different.
1:52:51 Speaker 02 Just like kids.
1:52:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly.
1:52:53 Speaker 02 Yeah. This one. I've had this one sixteen years. I need to make another one.
1:52:57 Speaker 04 All right, Leonardo DiCaprio. I had this one for two years. Time to trade out.
1:53:03 Speaker 01 So that, that helps me in a business sense in that I'm not always focused on the same thing. Like, oh, I filmed that one last week. Now let's go find something new and different. And finding something new and different is actually what interests me.
1:53:17 Speaker 02 What, what's your dream? What, what's your dream thing that you want to do a video on?
1:53:23 Speaker 01 Honestly, at this point, it's something underwater. It's either an APS or an HKP11. Either one of those would be pretty awesome.
1:53:34 Speaker 04 HKP11?
1:53:35 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. I filmed an HKP11. That's a fun story.
1:53:39 Speaker 04 Have you filmed with an APS yet?
1:53:41 Speaker 01 No.
1:53:41 Speaker 04 I've, I've never actually. There are any that exist outside of Russia.
1:53:45 Speaker 01 There have to be. The thing that I kick myself at still.
1:53:49 Speaker 04 Oh, God, the APS underwater rifle?
1:53:51 Speaker 01 10 years ago, at a gun show, I kid you not.
1:53:56 Speaker 04 Okay, yeah.
1:53:57 Speaker 03 That looks like one of the fucking, like the tranquilizer guns in Metal Gear Solid. Like, this looks like.
1:54:04 Speaker 04 Full shot rounds too. There's a little dart.
1:54:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, that thing's crazy. It's 545, but with a big nail instead of a bullet.
1:54:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, and it's the only weapon that will actually shoot underwater that is good for like 20 feet or something crazy like that.
1:54:17 Speaker 01 I kid you not, 10 years ago, I found a spam can of APS ammo at a gun show.
1:54:22 Speaker 03 What?
1:54:23 Speaker 01 And I didn't know, and I didn't.
1:54:25 Speaker 03 Why the?
1:54:25 Speaker 01 I don't even remember how much it was. It was partly that I know it was expensive, but I kick myself every day for not buying that.
1:54:34 Speaker 04 So one. To be fair, what the fuck do you do with it?
1:54:36 Speaker 01 That's, that was the thing. Why would I spend? I mean, it was probably like a thousand dollars at the time.
1:54:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:54:40 Speaker 01 Which was a tremendous amount of money. And what am I, like, APS? There's none of those outside of Russia. What am I gonna do with that?
1:54:47 Speaker 03 And now you're like, fuck!
1:54:49 Speaker 01 Pretty much, yeah.
1:54:49 Speaker 03 Damn it!
1:54:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:54:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, I could have had.
1:54:51 Speaker 01 So what I do have is a case of 9x39. Cause when that came in, I remember the APS ammo. I'm like, I don't have a gun. I don't know if they're ever gonna come out with a gun. I'm buying a case of that ammo.
1:55:04 Speaker 04 And then 9x39 very quickly went from like 80 cents a round to like five bucks.
1:55:08 Speaker 01 It was one batch that someone imported.
1:55:10 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:55:10 Speaker 01 And that was it.
1:55:11 Speaker 04 Was it the Wolf stuff?
1:55:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:55:12 Speaker 04 Yeah, I've got a bunch of that too. Wolf and Tula. And then I've got like a couple like the SP6, SP5.
1:55:17 Speaker 01 That's cool.
1:55:18 Speaker 04 I only have a couple because you know they're fucking expensive.
1:55:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:55:21 Speaker 03 That's a fucking wild looking.
1:55:23 Speaker 01 Yeah. So it's a Derringer essentially. It has a removable barrel cluster of five shots and they're all pre-sealed. So that they're waterproof. They make, they make above water and below water barrel clusters with different projectiles.
1:55:39 Speaker 04 That is so German.
1:55:40 Speaker 01 Oh yeah. And the Germans will not tell you anything about them because they are still secret, very secret. Dude, I, I.
1:55:49 Speaker 04 So secret, they make them on DeviantArt.
1:55:51 Speaker 01 And so secret that they're in HK's own book about HK, but HK won't say anything. And I asked an HK guy if I could get one and he, he didn't just say like, no, I can't let you see one. He said, oh, it's not possible. You can't film one of those. Like that's secret. It's, it's not possible. In this very Germanic mindset and.
1:56:15 Speaker 04 That American psycho. Why isn't it possible? You stupid bastard.
1:56:19 Speaker 01 And I took that personally and six weeks later published a video on a P7.
1:56:23 Speaker 04 Nice.
1:56:24 Speaker 01 So, or a P11.
1:56:25 Speaker 04 Well, yeah.
1:56:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:56:26 Speaker 03 Well, the fucking the Famas, what you were saying about the Famas is what was wild to me.
1:56:31 Speaker 04 Hmm. You want to say that again in front of a microphone?
1:56:33 Speaker 03 It is. Earlier we were talking and it is the Famas. I didn't realize it had that trigger or not the trigger, but the.
1:56:40 Speaker 01 The joystick, the little computer control thing with the, the giant DVR cable coming out of it.
1:56:46 Speaker 04 Cause it's like a Famas D or something like that. It's like a different variant.
1:56:49 Speaker 01 Fuck are you guys talking about? F E L I N. I know what a Famas is, but. Metal Gear Solid Gun. I know what a Famas is. So, so in the nineties, basically, most of the major militaries in the world knew that computers were a thing. And they came up with these super futuristic programs where we were going to computerize soldiers. Like objective combat warrior, future combat warrior, those, either of those ring a bell?
1:57:17 Speaker 03 Future combat warrior.
1:57:17 Speaker 01 Like you're gonna have a little flip down transparent display screen and a little computer that shows you where all your squad buddies are and you can look at your gun in the screen or your buddies, all that stuff.
1:57:28 Speaker 03 What was like the HK weapon, that that massive one that we were going to do, what's the big one with like?
1:57:35 Speaker 01 OICW.
1:57:37 Speaker 03 That like?
1:57:38 Speaker 01 The objective infantry combat weapon. Yeah, it was a 556 carbine and a 25mm grenade launcher.
1:57:42 Speaker 03 Yes, but it had that same cable system and you could aim out and shoot without sticking your head out. Hey, I have a.
1:57:49 Speaker 01 The French actually did it and they came out with a version of the Famas that had this monstrous football sized scope on it. That was a night vision scope and a magnified scope and a camera and it had a display screen and you could hold the gun around a corner and see where it was aiming and record video on it and all this stuff. And it actually had a cable that plugged into the rifle because instead of the regular pistol grip lower on the rifle, you got a vertical front grip with a four button control pad to manipulate the technical capabilities of the computerized scope. And a small number of those parts kits have actually come into the US, including that they don't have the scope, but they've got that front grip, lower assembly and the cable.
1:58:34 Speaker 03 Which I'd never heard of fucking at. I know Famas, that was the first time he showed me. I was like, I have never seen this fucking thing before in my. I saw one come up the other day.
1:58:43 Speaker 01 They're the post rock has them. They're like $7,000 for the kits.
1:58:47 Speaker 03 Oh my God.
1:58:47 Speaker 01 Far too much.
1:58:48 Speaker 02 But I was like, that makes me think of like, we want to create something futuristic. Nintendo came out with the power glove.
1:58:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:58:54 Speaker 02 Instead of using a controller, it's like kind of the same concept. It's like people can play video games better with this power glove. And it was the worst fucking shit ever.
1:59:02 Speaker 03 Oh, I guarantee soldiers, dude, anytime we're in the military. Actually, when I was in the military, I remember I got to go to one of the meeting of future weapons and it was, hey, we're building these suits for you guys to carry more. A heavier Batteries. Yeah, so you could go into combat and last longer. And that's all we talked about. So of course they just want to add weight to us. So we have to fight longer. Like what dude, now you can carry like eight thousand pounds at any given time. And these legs will do like eighty percent of the walking. Till they break. And then you're going to have to do the rest. And I was like, this is stupid. This is just so we have to work harder, but the machine does it.
1:59:44 Speaker 03 Private Eli is stuck in his exoskeleton on the side of a dirt road. Just like, oh fuck, man. Legs are still walking though. I'm like, get one out. And it's like, no. Just taking me to war.
1:59:59 Speaker 03 They're still shooting at me. I want to go for cover.
2:00:03 Speaker 01 The motherfuckers, as soon as those fucking electronics fail, so do your femurs.
2:00:12 Speaker 03 Dude, it was one of those heavy ass cables coming from the FAMAS. I was like, that is one of those big cables. That is a heavy platform that this future soldier is going to have to carry into combat at any given time.
2:00:23 Speaker 01 So what's neat about it is in order to do that, they had to come up with a way to mount a scope on a FAMAS. Which the FAMAS was one of those, it was in that generation of rifles. It was developed before optics were a universal sort of thing. And it's got a carry handle slash really it's protective handle for the protector for the charging handle. That's not meant, it's flimsy. It's plastic. It's not meant to be structural. But that's kind of the only thing you can mount optics on. So they kind of do it. It's a cludge. And in order for this new computerized system to work, they redesigned the upper of the rifle to give it a solid mounted Picatinny rail. That's a little bit lower. And that's actually worthwhile. So what tended to happen is they issued the Feline stuff.
2:01:08 Speaker 01 A bit and most guys hated it because it was heavy and clunky and just garbage.
2:01:13 Speaker 03 Fucking surprise. But you can't scrim with that?
2:01:15 Speaker 01 But if you take it off and you like put an Eotech on the rail instead. Now you got the pretty decent system.
2:01:23 Speaker 01 And it was, I think they made 25,000 of them.
2:01:26 Speaker 04 Oh shit.
2:01:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:01:27 Speaker 04 It's more than I would have thought.
2:01:28 Speaker 01 Yeah. And they're, they're not bad. The, the charging handle is a little janky because I had to kind of clutch it to make it work in a low, with a lower rail. But what's really cool about those parts kits is they give you a way to mount an optic reliably on the gun. And actually they include a rail, an even lower rail up front for a laser, which was also a thing at the time.
2:01:49 Speaker 03 This is Cody, this is the weapon that has a three round burst and then a 25 round mag.
2:01:55 Speaker 04 It bothers me so much. I know you have a defensive.
2:01:58 Speaker 01 No, no, I don't, I don't, I don't have a defense. I have an explanation in two phases. So first off.
2:02:04 Speaker 03 Well, first off, fuck you.
2:02:05 Speaker 01 25 rounds is the most you can put in a 556 magazine without curving it.
2:02:10 Speaker 04 Yes.
2:02:10 Speaker 01 The original AR-15 mags are 25 rounds. The Famas mags are 25 rounds. That's why. Any longer than that, you need weirder stamping because it's got to have a bend in it. The Famas did not have a burst mechanism until very shortly before adoption. The whole development process was safe semi-full.
2:02:28 Speaker 04 That is the first thing that has ever been explained to me about that. That makes sense.
2:02:32 Speaker 01 Yeah. And then it like, they adopted version seven at version six. They're like, oh, and also we want to burst. And two rounds is too few and four rounds is too much. Three round burst is the thing. Put in a three round burst. And that's where it came from.
2:02:45 Speaker 03 I think two is pretty cool. I think most combat, dude, I will, let me hear anyone that is going into combat, if you're going into the military at all, you will not use full auto fucking ever. You're going to be more effective.
2:02:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:02:58 Speaker 03 With single shots on target, you're going to have controlled pairs. And then your machine gun team, your open bolt weapon system, they are there to lay down fire. But again, that is to lay down fire and get heads down. It is not, I'm using through, unfortunately through round burst and then doing a control group at 300 yards. It just never fucking happened. That's why in Vietnam, they went from full auto to three round bursts, right? Like we went from a full auto weapon platform for the M16 to uh three round burst.
2:03:28 Speaker 04 Cause I don't know why they incorporated the burst.
2:03:30 Speaker 01 Exactly.
2:03:31 Speaker 03 So this is from what we were told is because the massive waste of
2:03:36 Speaker 04 That makes sense.
2:03:36 Speaker 03 Ammunition and missing during Vietnam. We were just spraying because oh shit. Good God, trust me. I did that in combat. I put on three round burst and just let them fly because it's like, I'm going to die. So I didn't get as many bullets down there as possible. You're oh shit. I just gotta get their head down. So you just and then reload.
2:03:53 Speaker 04 My problem with the Famas was always that you have a 25, well, you, you, you developed a a weapon system that's completely independent of like Stanag magazines. Where you have a three round burst and a magazine that holds an indivisible amount by three.
2:04:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:04:09 Speaker 04 Which tha- that was always kind of my motherfuck with it. And I've heard people cope on the internet. They're like, no, no, no. You wanted to know you were out of ammo.
2:04:16 Speaker 03 No, that's all crap.
2:04:17 Speaker 04 It's so bullshit.
2:04:18 Speaker 03 It's total crap.
2:04:19 Speaker 04 It fucked with me so much. That was the first thing that like, oh, the burst track came later. I'm like, God.
2:04:23 Speaker 03 That makes sense.
2:04:24 Speaker 04 Now tracks.
2:04:24 Speaker 01 You know, there's a Stanag mag version of the Famas, right?
2:04:28 Speaker 04 I knew one existed. I've never seen them.
2:04:30 Speaker 01 Yeah. So the Navy bought tens of thousands of them. The French Navy did. It's the G2. The, the standard pattern is the F1. There was a G1 and then a G2 was the Navy version.
2:04:42 Speaker 04 Is it the Navy bought them? And I thought our Navy for a moment. I'm like, no, sadly.
2:04:45 Speaker 01 They're even gayer than I thought. You can recognize them because they're the Famas's that have the full hand uh trigger guard.
2:04:54 Speaker 04 Interesting. Okay.
2:04:55 Speaker 03 Oh yeah. I forgot that was a thing. And they look fucking stupid.
2:04:58 Speaker 01 So the thing is in the sixties and well, in the seventies, France was not part of NATO's uh military integration. They were in NATO.
2:05:07 Speaker 04 Right.
2:05:08 Speaker 01 But what had happened was
2:05:10 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
2:05:10 Speaker 01 Yep.
2:05:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's the whole fucking thing.
2:05:12 Speaker 01 Yep.
2:05:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:05:13 Speaker 01 So the Famas magazine doesn't have a, a hold open tab. So it's like a quarter inch shorter than Stanag, which is why you, you just can't adapt a Famas receiver to Stanag mags. It's too short.
2:05:24 Speaker 04 Right.
2:05:25 Speaker 01 Uh, in this, what 50s? God, I ought to know the history a little better than this, but essentially de Gaulle was presented with the idea that under NATO, French troops would be subordinate to US military command. And he wasn't a fan of that and said, how about here's my counter hover. We're leaving. So they, they left the military integration, which means when they developed the Famas. They're not Stanag. They just made the magazine that they wanted and that was it. In the nineties, things had changed a bit. They wanted to sell the Famas on the export market. That's where the G2 comes from. The export market is obviously going to require Stanag mags. They want to sell it to anyone else in Europe. And at that point, the French Navy needed some new guns anyway.
2:06:10 Speaker 01 And so they bought that model.
2:06:12 Speaker 04 So is it similar to kind of like the Styroag?
2:06:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:06:15 Speaker 04 Where they just like develop the Stanag after that and like?
2:06:17 Speaker 01 Exactly. Yep.
2:06:19 Speaker 03 I unfortunately have a Styroag that doesn't take Stanag mags.
2:06:23 Speaker 04 My, my intentionally.
2:06:25 Speaker 03 Mags and my girl, these are so expensive. I got one, two. That's good enough for me.
2:06:29 Speaker 04 I intentionally got one that wasn't Stanag because I love that like 42 rounder. So it's new. It's cool.
2:06:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. When they had an option like that, you've got to get it because Stanag is boring and normal.
2:06:38 Speaker 04 Yeah. It's like, I've got, how many guns do I have that take Stanag mags?
2:06:40 Speaker 01 Right. All of them.
2:06:41 Speaker 04 Weird shit. Yeah.
2:06:43 Speaker 03 I love the Famas. I know it's a piece of shit.
2:06:45 Speaker 01 No, no, no, you don't because it's not.
2:06:48 Speaker 03 Oh, sorry. Sorry.
2:06:50 Speaker 01 Everyone, see, the problem is everyone has this negative opinion of the French for all sorts of cultural reasons that.
2:06:55 Speaker 03 I didn't realize, just first off, I didn't realize during World War II, they thought they were going to hold that for a whole year longer. It was an actual surprise how fast the French lost to everyone. That wasn't, even the Germans were like.
2:07:10 Speaker 04 What? Meth has entered the chat.
2:07:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:07:13 Speaker 03 Dude, I did not know that was a giant reason why like all the French hate. It was how fast, like American generals. Everyone was like, they're going to hold off for at least, okay, they're gone.
2:07:24 Speaker 01 Uh oh. Yeah.
2:07:26 Speaker 03 I was like, oh, I didn't know that part.
2:07:27 Speaker 01 The problem is nobody's actually used a Famas because they're so rare and so expensive in this country. And if people had, they would realize that they are better in every way than the AUG.
2:07:36 Speaker 04 We are, well, to be fair, right out the gate, I believe that because the AUG is not really my favorite.
2:07:42 Speaker 01 No, it's not.
2:07:43 Speaker 03 I just want a fucking Famas for Metal Gear. That's all I care.
2:07:46 Speaker 04 I'm working on, we're, we're about done with our rebuild. So we're doing completely from scratch receiver. We've got the barrel because like it's a very complicated rebuild. If you don't have any of the parts. And especially with an aluminum receiver, like that's damn near fucking impossible to rebuild. So we had to just start from scratch and just kind of, yeah. But I think we'll, we'll get there in the next couple of months, but.
2:08:06 Speaker 01 Excellent.
2:08:07 Speaker 04 I'm, I'm excited for it because I've never shot a fucking Famas ever.
2:08:11 Speaker 01 Well, if you come do the show shot challenge with me, you can shoot my Famas too. You know, that gun is interchangeable left to right-handed with no new parts.
2:08:20 Speaker 03 I believe that.
2:08:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:08:21 Speaker 03 It's right.
2:08:22 Speaker 01 It's got two ejectors or two extractors. One's real, one's fake. And to switch it from left to right, you pull them out and you reverse them and put them back. And then there's a cheat, there's ejection ports on both sides covered by a cheek piece. And you just pop it from one side to the other. Done. It's like 60 seconds left to right hand.
2:08:39 Speaker 03 I see, I like that. That's fun. Yeah. Our buddy Jay. Jay is one of those collections, none of the, our Utah buddy. The billionaire guy. I don't think I've met him. He's the one with the, like, he has a, he has like all, every pre-ban HK he has. Ever. He has a World War One wall, a World War Two wall and HK wall. And it is every Famas, well, like every gun you could ever want. He's like, oh yeah, you want to shoot that and pull it off. And it is in a walk-in gun room. That is the size of this. He's the one. Is that your fake date guy? That's exactly what I was gonna ask. Yeah, that was the fake date. I don't think the unsub audience knows about the fake date. I don't know if I've ever told that story. It was Jay is a friend that you would, um.
2:09:25 Speaker 03 He dresses like just flip flopped short, like one of us, you just one of us. Jay is also extremely wealthy, like a next level wealthy. So, uh, I had a first date and this is God years ago. And we're like, oh, what do we do for the first date? We can't come up with an idea and Jay's like, well, I'm just using my house. Like, what, like what? So I can just pretend it's yours. Like, well, Jay, what? This is what a 12,000 square foot mansion? Oh, yeah, 12,000, 74,000. Jesus. Yeah. So. Good lord. He has a. Okay. All right. This is billionaire, billionaire. Find something to do in the house like that? Okay. Yeah. And he has a fucking estate.
2:10:11 Speaker 03 And Jay owns, like, this is a dude, hey, I created a, um.
2:10:17 Speaker 03 What was it? Creditrepair.com? I was gonna say, stories like this are usually like, I developed a better way for the, the milk bottle, plastic screw top lid.
2:10:27 Speaker 04 You know that refrigeration strip that's in every grocery store in America? I built that.
2:10:31 Speaker 03 Yeah. Creditrepair.com. That was him. So he was like, oh, I built a big house. It was 8,000 square feet. Oh, I paid off said house in less than a month. Uh, I guess I'll build what the fuck I want at this period of my life. And he did. So he's like, oh yeah, it's your house now and we'll change out the painting and we'll make it look like your house. And then the butler, our private chef is yours. Just pretend the, again, rich people shit where you have a dining room and a dining. And you were broke out of Army Eli. Yeah, this is, this is Eli, like I'm just moving out of LA. It's not, wow, this is a very different lifestyle. Apartment, Eli. Yeah, exactly. Like I own a studio. I'm like, ah, what the fuck is this?
2:11:15 Speaker 03 But you did the respectful thing and said, absolutely, I will do that. This is a great trick on a first date. We need to do this long-term. I need this for like eight months. Please. You should definitely deceive the girl you're going on a date with right out of the gate. So it's like, oh shit. And I forget, uh, some, some of the friends knew her and it was just, hey, oh shit, you're going to hang out with Eli tonight. Man, that's crazy. His house is wild. She's like, huh, what? He owns a house? Yeah, exactly. So I was like, okay, what do I do? I'll just get an Uber to the house for her. So she doesn't have, she can't look at the house. It's like, hey, I sent an Uber for you. It will be there and drive up. And this driving up one of the mountainsides of Utah and the Uber driver, she, that's when she explained.
2:12:00 Speaker 03 That's when I started freaking out. It's like, oh, your friend doing very nice. He was an Asian dude. Oh, your friend. I couldn't tell. Yeah, it was the, the higher the Uber driver got on this mountainside. It's like, oh, your friend doing very good to silence. Oh shit. Okay. And I was like, hey, just text me when you get to the front gate and then I'll let you in. They pull up. She's like, hey, I'm at the community gate. So I got you buzzing you in. Uh, just park at the third water fountain and then I'll go out and meet you. But Jay's doing quite fun. And she's like, okay. And she's thinking, again, community water fountains. Not like this is one single house. So it's like, one, two, go. I walk out, front door is broken on the outside.
2:12:44 Speaker 03 So I can go back in. So I was like, I'll just walk her through the side museum and explain this. So walk out. I'm like, hey, what's up, Bob? Hi. Hey, nice to meet you. Blah, blah, blah. Thanks for coming all the way out here. Front door is broken, so we have to walk into the side of the house. Uh, she's like, okay. World is any part of this house broken? She's just like nervous. I'm like, yeah, a hundred percent. Walk her in. I was like, oh yeah, this is my side museum. You have to fuck around and say like, oh yeah, sorry. The Sultan broke it last week. Walk in and Jay has literal side museum. It is a fucking like walking like glass, Samurai armor, everything. So you're walking through and you're like, oh yeah, fucking duh. Do you need a drink? And she's like, yeah.
2:13:28 Speaker 03 Like, oh, here, come down here. We walk down the spiral staircase. It's a giant bear. I was like, here, what do you want? She's like IPA, walk in IPA fridge. This is again, like half the size of this room. Walk in, grab that. Ha, ha. So like, okay, upstairs, we're doing dinner. Our family's waiting. Let's go.
2:13:46 Speaker 03 Man, you need an elevator in this house. Ha, ha. I was like, oh, we can take that. Here, come here. Walk her to an elevator, go up flat five stories, get up to the top. Everyone's waiting, standing. And they're like, where do we sit you? I'm like, oh, wherever you want. All sit down, private chef, French cheese. Comes gets all the orders, blah, blah. All said and done. And I remember just first sitting down. Everyone is eating and they're like, Eli, when can we start eating? I'm like, oh yeah, eat away. Everyone's eating. She like looks around. She's like, takes her hat off. She's so uncomfortable at this moment. She's like,
2:14:21 Speaker 03 We're eating.
2:14:22 Speaker 01 Shoot.
2:14:23 Speaker 03 Hey.
2:14:24 Speaker 01 Why don't you tell me you're rich as fuck? I am so scared.
2:14:29 Speaker 03 So I was like, what are you talking about? This is normal. Half the dinner's done. We're downstairs having a just fun. We're playing whatever, like Pictionary or some stupid shit. And then, uh, we tell, I tell her, I'm like, hey, by the way, this is not my house. This is actually my friend's. This is a joke. Cause she's like, holy fucking Christ.
2:14:49 Speaker 03 Oh my God, I was terrified. And then for a second I was like, did I hit the lottery? I am not sure.
2:14:55 Speaker 04 She's like, oh, in that case. And she throws away the condom wrapper. She had poked a million holes in.
2:15:04 Speaker 03 Cause yeah.
2:15:05 Speaker 01 I don't need your phone number now, actually. Sorry.
2:15:09 Speaker 04 I'd never.
2:15:10 Speaker 01 What was your friend's name?
2:15:12 Speaker 04 I heard the abbreviated version of that story. I've never heard the full one. That's hilarious.
2:15:17 Speaker 03 Dude, it was an entire thing. Cause Jay has money. He gets bored. And he's like, this is fun. I get to watch this play out. And I'm like, Patrick, his chef, we're filling him in. And he's like, okay, so what do I say? I was like, well, what's for dinner? He's like, we have the, the pea soup. We have elk and we have that. I was like, just say that, just do your fucking accent and talk like that. She's gonna be none the wiser. You don't have to act, are you sure? I'm like, I assure you, no one's used to a private fucking chef.
2:15:44 Speaker 04 This is like lifestyle cuckoldry.
2:15:48 Speaker 04 I just want to see somebody else live my life.
2:15:51 Speaker 03 Dude, you walk out and you're like, what the fuck is this? What did we use for the picture? It was me with a baby goat or something. Cause they had baby goats. They had, dude.
2:16:00 Speaker 04 You're shitting me.
2:16:01 Speaker 03 No, no.
2:16:02 Speaker 04 No, I.
2:16:05 Speaker 03 It is again, that you have wealth and then you're like, oh, people live like this and this is fun for them. Okay. What the fuck?
2:16:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:16:14 Speaker 03 And he has an amazing gun collection. That's why I want to.
2:16:17 Speaker 04 Of course he does there. Yeah. Sounds like a fucking neat guy.
2:16:20 Speaker 01 I'll go on this trip if you want. Sign me up.
2:16:23 Speaker 04 Every time I find one of those absurdly wealthy people who's also into guns, I'm like, you're gonna make my collection look bad. Like I've, I've got a lot of stuff, but like some of those guys will just get that like, oh, an original FG 42. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's only a quarter.
2:16:38 Speaker 01 I have three of those.
2:16:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:16:40 Speaker 01 To be clear, I, I don't, but I have run into the guy who has three of them.
2:16:44 Speaker 04 There's a guy who has three of them.
2:16:46 Speaker 01 Oh, there's a guy who has like nine of them.
2:16:47 Speaker 04 Oh, my God.
2:16:48 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
2:16:49 Speaker 03 Are they your friends too?
2:16:50 Speaker 01 Uh, one is one I know of, but haven't actually met in person. I don't think, or I met him like once, but not really acquainted. But yeah.
2:16:59 Speaker 04 Yeah. I think the last, the last one that went for sale that I know of went for like 240,000.
2:17:04 Speaker 01 But you haven't been paying attention. They're three to four.
2:17:08 Speaker 04 Jesus Christ.
2:17:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. If you look at the collector grade book, um, uh, death from above, the, the back, uh, cover art on the inside is just a, a row of FGs leaning up on a fireplace. There's like 10 of them and it's all one collection.
2:17:27 Speaker 01 Yep.
2:17:29 Speaker 04 I'm really happy with my SMG clone.
2:17:31 Speaker 01 It's so mine. Yeah.
2:17:32 Speaker 04 Yeah. I'm like, yeah, 10 grand. That's, that's fine. That's all I need.
2:17:35 Speaker 01 I had the chance to actually shoot an original second pattern FG, a real shit. Yeah. Um, by the way, the, like, the rumors on them are real. It is a fantastic gun to shoot. It's, it's legit. It, it is, I'm not going to say it's super like, it's not a 556.
2:17:53 Speaker 04 Right.
2:17:53 Speaker 01 But it is as controllable or better as any 308 full auto I've ever shot.
2:17:58 Speaker 04 As an eight millimeter Mauser.
2:18:00 Speaker 01 Correct.
2:18:00 Speaker 04 So the, the Fallschirm Haager Gevers, it was like the German parachute, uh, paratrooper, like light machine gun, quote unquote. It's like they're Browning automatic rifle.
2:18:08 Speaker 01 It's, but the design spec is essentially, we want a gun that is neither longer nor heavier than a Mauser 98K. But it has to be select fire, have a bipod, have a bayonet and well, and be select fire.
2:18:23 Speaker 03 Dude, just really, you brought up the Mauser, um, I, the 98K, was that eight mil? What was the?
2:18:29 Speaker 01 That.
2:18:31 Speaker 03 Who was the guy? Banana, ah, banana, something. He's a YouTuber that does firearms now.
2:18:37 Speaker 04 Banana ballistics.
2:18:38 Speaker 03 Banana ballistics. He just had that round that was eight mil AP or.
2:18:44 Speaker 04 Was it K bullets or whatever?
2:18:46 Speaker 03 Okay.
2:18:46 Speaker 04 Or.
2:18:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, they made it. They made armor piercing.
2:18:49 Speaker 03 This was that round. They're like, hey, they built this. It's a hyped up eight millimeter, but it punched through on his, uh, oh, one, one point two five steel just punched right through that. An inch and like an inch and a half was what stopped it and it still made.
2:19:04 Speaker 04 That would.
2:19:05 Speaker 03 Hole at the back.
2:19:06 Speaker 04 That would have to be unhardened.
2:19:09 Speaker 03 This was dude tungsten round. This is, uh, this was.
2:19:12 Speaker 04 Yeah, but he meant like the steel, like.
2:19:14 Speaker 03 Oh, gotcha.
2:19:15 Speaker 04 It was punching.
2:19:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, that.
2:19:16 Speaker 03 No, that, that's the thing. This was.
2:19:19 Speaker 04 Hmm.
2:19:19 Speaker 03 Very, very impressive because the round was going 3,000 feet per second. And this is.
2:19:23 Speaker 04 Okay.
2:19:23 Speaker 03 Mouser 98. Like he shot the first round. He's like, holy fuck. And he says it. He has to actually believe it because he doesn't curse. He's like, what? Like he bleeps in his own because he looks over and it's.
2:19:34 Speaker 04 An inch and a half.
2:19:36 Speaker 01 Have you?
2:19:37 Speaker 04 Steel?
2:19:37 Speaker 03 Yup.
2:19:38 Speaker 01 Have you seen?
2:19:39 Speaker 04 Watch.
2:19:40 Speaker 01 Have you seen the German, uh, or the Polish, uh, armor piercing eight Mouser? Did their Andy tank rifle? Or sorry, not eight Mouser, eight millimeter. It's eight by 108. It's like.
2:19:53 Speaker 03 It's a traitor.
2:19:55 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:19:56 Speaker 04 It's a great porno.
2:19:59 Speaker 03 So he goes.
2:20:01 Speaker 04 An inch and a half is a lot of steel.
2:20:02 Speaker 01 That's a lot of hardened steel.
2:20:04 Speaker 04 Trust me.
2:20:11 Speaker 01 It went through.
2:20:12 Speaker 03 Holy shit.
2:20:14 Speaker 04 Mild steel.
2:20:15 Speaker 03 Okay, my, okay.
2:20:18 Speaker 04 There it was.
2:20:18 Speaker 03 There he goes to, he missed and he goes to one and a half. So it is one and a half of, I'm guessing mild.
2:20:25 Speaker 01 There is a very big difference between mild steel and hardened steel.
2:20:29 Speaker 04 Very much so.
2:20:30 Speaker 03 Everyone is cooking for a 1940 round.
2:20:32 Speaker 04 Don't, don't get me wrong. Like it's still impressive, but it's.
2:20:34 Speaker 01 Very, but.
2:20:35 Speaker 04 There is a massive difference between hardened and.
2:20:38 Speaker 03 You know, that, okay.
2:20:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:20:39 Speaker 03 That one, I just remember that video was like, oh, it's punching through a inch, like no problem. And this is from the 1940s. That round is cooking.
2:20:47 Speaker 01 It's interesting. There's some, there are some powder formulations that, that survive just fine. And there's some powder formulations that degrade over time. Turkish stuff and I can't remember the chemical differences, but we got a bunch of Turkish eight millimeter years ago. That was daring dangerous because the powder degraded and it actually that the grain, the powder grains degraded and you end up with a lot more surface area than you originally had. And so the powder burned a lot faster than it was originally intended to, and you got really high pressure and it blew up guns. Like I know a guy who's missing fingers from one of those things in a 42 or 34.
2:21:27 Speaker 04 One of the things that was speculated about on the slap rounds on contact.
2:21:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. But then there are also some, some powders that survive just fine and don't degrade. And a lot of the German World War II stuff, the powder formulation is such that yes, it's 80 years old now, but it performs just the same way that it originally did.
2:21:47 Speaker 04 Some of the most stable stuff I've ever seen is the, the eight millimeter Mauser stuff coming out of Ethiopia.
2:21:52 Speaker 01 Everything I ever tested from Ethiopia was garbage.
2:21:55 Speaker 04 That's what I was joking about. Yeah. It's fucking dog shit.
2:21:57 Speaker 01 Thank you. I was like, are we, are we looking at different ammo? Like that's, I do like, didn't work with Sentry for like four years because of that ammo.
2:22:06 Speaker 04 It was like, if you wanted catastrophic malfunctions or hang fires, it was the greatest shit to use.
2:22:11 Speaker 01 I broke a Mauser 98K stock with one of those things.
2:22:14 Speaker 04 I guarantee it.
2:22:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:22:16 Speaker 04 Yeah. It's all the, the shit's just, just being pulled out of pallets in Ethiopia somewhere.
2:22:20 Speaker 01 Yep.
2:22:21 Speaker 03 It's crazy how different areas, it's like, hey, this could kill you versus, hey, this is stable and you're good to go.
2:22:27 Speaker 01 The really good ammo is the Greek stuff. HXP 303, 308. The Greek HXP stuff is phenomenal.
2:22:35 Speaker 03 What's that? I mean, look at the tech as it evolves. I love nitroglycerin and them taking it across the ocean. They're like, we just put in a bunch of springs and as long as it's not too bad, we will make it there. Cody, have you ever seen how they did nitroglycerin back in the past?
2:22:51 Speaker 01 No, when they were transporting it?
2:22:52 Speaker 03 Yep.
2:22:53 Speaker 01 No.
2:22:54 Speaker 03 Nitroglycerin, you're like, you shake.
2:22:55 Speaker 01 Yeah. Why would you transport it? Why wouldn't you just make it wherever you're trying to take it?
2:22:59 Speaker 03 With the springs around it? Back? Wait, you haven't even seen this?
2:23:02 Speaker 01 No.
2:23:03 Speaker 04 It's kind of like nitroglycerin back in the day was kind of like Tannerite, except if you sneezed, you would die.
2:23:09 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. Except it's not a two part. It's just.
2:23:12 Speaker 03 So your own waves just smacking the boat? Dude, they would put full, wait, let me find the spring system. It would be contained in spring systems in order to.
2:23:21 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:23:25 Speaker 04 To ship it, shipping, shipment, shipment on ships.
2:23:29 Speaker 01 You have an RK 95 yet?
2:23:31 Speaker 04 No, but I will tell you what, that is probably one of the most recommended guns I do.
2:23:36 Speaker 01 You're like, I'll have one.
2:23:37 Speaker 04 Here's the thing.
2:23:37 Speaker 01 Must have one.
2:23:38 Speaker 04 I could buy one, that's not really the problem. The, the problem is, like, I've seen them come up, is what I mean.
2:23:44 Speaker 01 Really? I've never seen one in the US.
2:23:46 Speaker 04 Really?
2:23:47 Speaker 01 A 95?
2:23:48 Speaker 04 Yeah. Oh, maybe, maybe I'm, maybe I'm talking out of my ass here.
2:23:52 Speaker 01 The late, late, late patterned Valmet. With grenade launcher, gas cutoff, optics mount.
2:23:58 Speaker 04 So forgive me if I'm misattributing that to something else, but like, I've, I've seen, because the fins are very autistic about this stuff. I just know if I do a video on that, or any sort of Valmet, or any sort of Finnish AK of any kind, no one will watch it. That's what I'm worried about.
2:24:14 Speaker 01 Why? Why wouldn't they?
2:24:16 Speaker 04 Because every time, so this is the curse I have. Anything that I think is cool will never get views.
2:24:22 Speaker 01 Hmm. I mean, you, you can use the word tube with two Os.
2:24:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:24:27 Speaker 01 For Valmet, that'll get people, won't it?
2:24:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:24:30 Speaker 01 He's tube stock AK.
2:24:31 Speaker 04 That's what I did with the Sten, and nobody fucking watched it.
2:24:33 Speaker 01 Oh, okay. Well, shit.
2:24:36 Speaker 04 I, it's, it's just, it's like the, if I shit out a video that's like very little effort, million and a half views. If I pour my heart and soul into something that I think is a very niche piece of history that I love, and I'm like, super excited, and I think the video went really well, and I watched the video back, I'm like, this is, I'm proud of that. 500,000, like, fuck me.
2:24:57 Speaker 01 So, I would like to respond on two different fronts. First off, when 500,000 is a failure.
2:25:04 Speaker 04 You do more than I do. You do more videos than I do, goddammit.
2:25:09 Speaker 01 But I understand, I've had some videos that I did kind of as an afterthought, like, yeah, it's 3pm and I have dinner at 5, but I just got an idea, I can knock that out.
2:25:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:25:19 Speaker 01 And had them, like, go very successful, at least, you know, for my standards.
2:25:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:25:24 Speaker 01 And then, yeah, sometimes this, I can usually predict the ones that won't do well. And I do a lot of them. Because there are videos that like this needs to be done. I know none of you people are gonna watch it, but it needs to be covered. Yeah, someday someone will need to know this stuff and they'll Google it and there it'll be.
2:25:42 Speaker 04 But also your upload schedule determines your views quite a lot. Like to quote my fertility specialist, I'm quite impressed by your volume. Like you actually put out a lot of videos per week like that's
2:25:53 Speaker 01 That's what made the channel successful. Like for a couple of years, it was six a week.
2:25:58 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's fucking insane.
2:25:59 Speaker 01 Shit.
2:26:00 Speaker 04 On all like autistic, different fucking breakdowns of guns that I've usually never heard of.
2:26:06 Speaker 01 Well, that's why I have a big library to make it possible. But yeah.
2:26:10 Speaker 04 That's crazy.
2:26:11 Speaker 01 That's what was a let me grew the grow the channel. That's how it got successful in large was just insane amount of material.
2:26:19 Speaker 03 How is it actually really quick before we close this out? How is it when you have to break apart one of these weapons? You're not sure on like a G11. Is that terrifying out the gate? Because that would be
2:26:29 Speaker 01 Not anymore.
2:26:31 Speaker 04 I have a follow up to. Have you ever broken one on accident or broken a piece while tearing something apart?
2:26:36 Speaker 01 I can neither confirm nor deny.
2:26:41 Speaker 03 Here's this one. Have fun. You're like, I've watched zero YouTube videos on this.
2:26:45 Speaker 04 Strips screw immediately.
2:26:49 Speaker 01 So, no, I've gotten I'm paranoid about things like taking out screws.
2:26:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:26:55 Speaker 01 And when they're too tight, I just stop and you'll see it on some videos where I'm like, if I say something like this one's not really wanting to come apart. It means I went in with the screwdriver and and it got to the point where I'm like, it might open or I might snap the head of the screw off. And I just, I nope, I'm done.
2:27:14 Speaker 04 I have a 1940s Colt at the shop. You'll see it tomorrow. It's like the oldest gun I think that's in the shop.
2:27:21 Speaker 04 That is all original except for one screw.
2:27:24 Speaker 01 Hmm.
2:27:25 Speaker 04 And that's what happened.
2:27:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:27:27 Speaker 04 Yeah. And you feel like a piece of shit because you're like, this is an original. This is a piece of history and I have defiled it.
2:27:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. Frankly, what I've learned is guns break when you force them. You never force it. If it, if you have to force it, you stop.
2:27:46 Speaker 01 If you have to force it for disassembly, you stop. If you have to force it for reassembly, you've, you're not doing it right. Stop, go back, reassess and figure out the way that you do it without having to force anything. And that's allowed me to do what I do without anything breaking.
2:28:03 Speaker 04 I'm impressed because you handle a lot of shit that's pretty fucking old. And a lot of this stuff, you know, old guns, like if you don't use it, you lose it. Like that stuff doesn't want to move.
2:28:11 Speaker 01 When it came to shooting, like the Morphe company does a lot of machine guns. And until YouTube started Adrian strictly everything, we did a lot of machine gun shooting with them. And their NFA guy, guy named John Keen is really good. And we would assess guns based on like, what's the risk of anything breaking in this? And also what's the availability of spare parts? Because with machine guns in particular, no one really cares if every pin is original.
2:28:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:28:39 Speaker 01 And so when there was stuff that was rare, but parts were around, we'd shoot it. Like frankly, the one that terrified me the most was that FG42.
2:28:50 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:28:50 Speaker 01 I, I, if I owned it, I would never shoot an FG42 I own. In fact, I wouldn't own an original FG42. I would resell that thing. Like I'd rather have a house than that FG42.
2:29:03 Speaker 01 But it was on their company insurance policy. And the consignor was cool with us shooting it because he knew it would make it more desirable at auction. And actually, okay, so here's, here's the funny behind the scenes thing. We had, we had Portuguese surplus ammo for shooting that. Like, we didn't go out and buy brand new eight millimeter. No, we had part two surplus. It's pretty good. It'll be fine. And then FG forty two. It was hard primed. If you watch the video, I start off the video and I'm like, all right, semi-auto. No one wants to see semi-auto. We're going to full auto. The reality is in semi-auto, it wouldn't run. So the FG forty two has the system where it fires from a closed bolt in semi
2:29:45 Speaker 01 and an open bolt in full auto. So that in full auto, you get better cooling. But in semi-auto, you don't have the bolt chunking closed when you pull the trigger. So you get more accuracy in semi.
2:29:56 Speaker 04 Which is weird because even in the semi-auto, it seems like it's semi-open bolt.
2:30:01 Speaker 01 A little bit because the firing pin and the op-rot are both moving forward.
2:30:04 Speaker 04 Right.
2:30:04 Speaker 01 Same as the US gun.
2:30:05 Speaker 04 When I, on the semi-auto clone, so you feel the bolt move forward and you're like.
2:30:10 Speaker 01 That's, no, that's how it works. But what it, the upshot is in full auto, because the whole, the firing pin is moving from a much greater distance. It's got a lot more energy in it than in semi-auto. And this thing would run about half the time in semi, you know, bang, bang, click, rack, click, rack, bang, click, rack. But, and at, and at that point, I'm like, this is my only chance to ever shoot this thing. Like, we're up here on the range.
2:30:33 Speaker 03 Brass casing too versus steel.
2:30:35 Speaker 01 Oh, it was brass. It was brass case. Yeah.
2:30:37 Speaker 03 But it's the, what was it?
2:30:40 Speaker 01 Okay, well, I wasn't sure. Germany went to steel case at the end of the war.
2:30:43 Speaker 03 Oh, okay. I wasn't sure if that was a tolerance.
2:30:46 Speaker 04 The problem is, is the primer. Like, if the primers are hard, then if you don't have a crazy amount of force behind the firing pin, you're fucked.
2:30:51 Speaker 01 Yeah. So, like, what I really don't want to do is have to call off my one opportunity to film a full-auto original FG forty two. So I'm like, well, let's try it full-auto and see if it works. And it ran great. Ran perfectly in full-auto because the bolt's moving four inches more. It's got a lot more mass, a lot more velocity to it. So it worked in full-auto. So that's how we filmed it. I was like, I'm just gonna glaze over semi-auto and go straight to full.
2:31:17 Speaker 04 That's exactly what we did in my STEN video, because the STEN that I had acquired.
2:31:24 Speaker 04 We figured out, so it was running like shit. It ran like absolute fucking glazed dog shit. Unless it was, we, we took out the semi-auto components and then suddenly it ran fine.
2:31:35 Speaker 01 Weird. Okay.
2:31:36 Speaker 04 Couldn't, couldn't fucking tell you why, but it, it just, it worked out that way. So we're like, you know what? Fuck it. Nobody actually cares about a semi-auto stand anyway.
2:31:43 Speaker 01 It's really weird to me that they bothered to put a semi-auto in the stand.
2:31:46 Speaker 03 It's like a condom. Got it. It sucks when you use it, but.
2:31:52 Speaker 04 When you rip it off, it's great.
2:31:54 Speaker 01 Exactly.
2:31:56 Speaker 03 See, makes sense.
2:31:58 Speaker 04 Machine guns by Eli.
2:32:01 Speaker 03 Get rid of that thing. Fucking fun times happen.
2:32:04 Speaker 01 Design brief on the stand does not really, isn't really compatible with, why would we have extra parts make it semi-automatic?
2:32:10 Speaker 04 One of the least ergonomic, terrible sights, open bolt submachine gun. Yeah, let's get some precision shooting out of this nine millimeter.
2:32:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, but you know, they work. Usually. Like again, was it a, was it an original CNR gun or was it some sort of rebuild, re-weld?
2:32:27 Speaker 04 Yeah, rebuild. So that, you always gotta throw that out there.
2:32:32 Speaker 01 For people looking for machine guns, that's one of the values of, of an original CNR gun. Is it has not been cut apart and rewelded by Bubba.
2:32:40 Speaker 04 Yep. Oh, I just picked up a CNR MG0815.
2:32:44 Speaker 01 Oh, cool.
2:32:45 Speaker 04 I'm excited by that.
2:32:46 Speaker 03 Love that one. That's one of my favorite nomenclatures.
2:32:49 Speaker 01 It's one of my favorite genders. So every, everyone in the comments will now inform you that 0815 actually in German means boring. Or commonplace.
2:33:00 Speaker 04 So.
2:33:01 Speaker 01 Was it nul ak fünfsen?
2:33:03 Speaker 04 That's what I learned afterward is that that's like the 10-4 of Germany. It's just like, yeah, things are fine.
2:33:08 Speaker 01 Things are 0815. Yeah. And it's because they were so commonplace in.
2:33:13 Speaker 04 Which yeah, I had no clue, but that's very, it's very cool. A little stuff like that. I think is neat.
2:33:17 Speaker 01 Yeah. I just saved you from that showing up in the comments.
2:33:20 Speaker 04 No, they'll still do it.
2:33:23 Speaker 02 This episode is Cody and Eli stare at each other awkwardly.
2:33:28 Speaker 03 This is how it feels.
2:33:29 Speaker 01 I feel like you should have known that was coming.
2:33:34 Speaker 02 I was ready for it. I was, I learned a lot, so I'm extremely happy with.
2:33:38 Speaker 01 Don't get me started on Shaspo variations.
2:33:40 Speaker 02 That's what the Patreon after show is gonna be about.
2:33:45 Speaker 02 Cody, on that note, well, first off, Ian, where do we find you, beautiful son of a bitch?
2:33:50 Speaker 01 ForgottenWeapons.com or YouTube slash Forgotten Weapons or Patreon slash Forgotten Weapons?
2:33:56 Speaker 02 And your book again?
2:33:56 Speaker 01 Pepperbox, Kickstarter. The, the book I'm working on, well, the book I am currently, uh, pre-selling is Forged in Snow, finished small arms 1918 to 2025, covering the Mosens, the Valmets, the Lugers, the Lotties, the light machine guns, all sorts of super cool stuff. Currently on Kickstarter, lots of cool stretch goals, lots of neat options. Check it out.
2:34:20 Speaker 04 You're gonna get a kick out of my Lottie tomorrow, too.
2:34:22 Speaker 01 Excellent.
2:34:22 Speaker 04 I got something to show you on that. It's pretty fun.
2:34:24 Speaker 02 All right. Gang does. Bye, everyone. Thanks for coming to the Unsubscribe Podcast. I was joined today by Eli Double Tap, Ian from Forgotten Weapons, Brandon Herrera, myself, Donut Operator. Please join us for the Patreon after show.
2:34:39 Speaker 01 You checked out hours ago, didn't you?
2:34:42 Speaker 02 Me and Eli were over here just like doing rock, paper, scissors.
2:34:45 Speaker 04 Dude, it was great.
2:34:46 Speaker 02 We love you all.
2:34:48 Speaker 04 Join us for the after show where we find out if Ian finally got his hands on some 32 French long.
2:34:54 Speaker 02 Aren't you excited?
2:34:55 Speaker 04 I got my hands on some long.
2:34:56 Speaker 02 Same. Right?
2:34:58 Speaker 04 Bye.
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