Pod Insights Unravel 05 Blood On The Tracks | The Driver About this episode More than two decades have passed since the coronial inquest into Mark Haines' death. The family have been forgotten about — until news reporter Allan Clarke arrives in Tamworth on a routine story and becomes convinced this is a major injustice.
Allan's reporting unearths fresh information. A mother comes forward with a story about her son's involvement.
Police aren't quick to follow up. But, after a flurry of protests and phone calls … the case finally starts to gain traction.
Blood on the Tracks is the first ever series we made for Unravel, back in 2018.
But we're re-releasing it now with a new episode because the NSW Deputy State Coroner is currently holding a fresh inquest into this case.
Keep listening to the end of this series to find out about the new information that's recently been revealed in the inquest hearings.
This season of Unravel is intended to be listened to as a whole. If you haven't heard all the episodes, you shouldn't draw any conclusions, because you haven't heard all the sides of this story.
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0:35 Speaker 03 Just a note before we start. This case is currently being looked at by the New South Wales coroner. After this podcast was first released in 2017, the coroner agreed to launch a fresh inquest. Keep listening to the end of this series to find out about the new information that's recently been revealed in the inquest hearings. This season of Unravel is intended to be listened to as a whole. If you haven't heard all the episodes, you shouldn't draw any conclusions because you haven't heard all the sides of the story. And a warning for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, this series contains the names of people who have died.
1:20 Speaker 03 Now back to our story, where we're currently exploring what happened at the first inquest way back in 1989.
1:33 Speaker 03 The inquest into Mark Haines' death unearthed a lot of suspicious evidence, but it didn't answer the central questions in this case. What happened to Mark Haines after he left the nightclub with his mates? And how did he end up dead on the railway tracks in the early hours of the morning? The case went cold for over two decades. And those questions were left hanging.
1:57 Speaker 03 Then I met Fay.
2:00 Speaker 04 He couldn't even kill a rat, but I think he was involved.
2:07 Speaker 03 I'm Alan Clark and this is Unravel: Blood on the Tracks, an investigation into the death of Aboriginal teenager Mark Haines.
2:17 Speaker 03 In this episode, fresh evidence that Mark wasn't alone at the tracks that night.
2:31 Speaker 03 After Mark's inquest returned an open finding, his family were pretty much forgotten about. The police stopped calling and all the unanswered questions ate away at his family.
2:45 Speaker 05 We couldn't pick ourselves up from this, so I was just blaming myself.
2:51 Speaker 03 The DIY investigating by the uncles had failed to find any solid answers. They'd stepped on a lot of toes. Uncle Jack remembers fearing for his family.
3:02 Speaker 05 People used to drive around, coming down our street, you know, parked there. They was looking for Duck. We had to sit in the dark while Duck was sitting at the front with a gun.
3:13 Speaker 03 It became too much for Jack and his family, and they moved away from Tamworth.
3:18 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's it, you know. I don't know if I'm paranoid or not, but you know, you make your family, get your family close to you. What's happened to Mark might happen to us.
3:28 Speaker 03 The two people who felt the loss of Mark's life the most were Mark's parents, Josie and Ron Haynes Senior. You haven't heard from them because they passed away years ago.
3:40 Speaker 05 His mother died of a broken heart. She died young, I think age of 47. She took her to her grave. Ron, he was quiet all that time, a broken heart too.
3:53 Speaker 06 I know they'll try to, you know, to be there for me and Ron, but
3:56 Speaker 05 Yeah.
3:57 Speaker 06 they just weren't the same after Mark passed away.
3:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
4:00 Speaker 03 Lorna and Ron Haynes Junior are Mark's younger brother and sister.
4:04 Speaker 06 You just drank and drank and drank, daddy.
4:07 Speaker 05 Yeah.
4:08 Speaker 06 After Mark passed away. You used to drink before, but you just drank more and more.
4:13 Speaker 05 More and more.
4:15 Speaker 06 I tried to, I tried to save you.
4:20 Speaker 03 But you could have never known any of that would have happened, you know. It's not your fault.
4:34 Speaker 03 The family never gave up. Five, 10, 20 years after Mark died, they were still searching for answers.
4:44 Speaker 03 On the 25th anniversary of his death, Duck was still appealing to the public to come forward with information. And that's when I covered the story for the first time.
4:55 Speaker 07 The unsolved death of 17-year-old Mark Haines in Tamworth in 1988 left a devastated family seeking answers. Alan Clark investigates.
5:05 Speaker 03 Tamworth Police have told Living Black that Mark's case has been suspended with no action. After that first visit to see Mark's family, the story never let me go. I became convinced, like Duck, that this was a major injustice. The paperwork piled up in my living room. I took the case with me from job to job, convincing editors to let me tell Mark's story. And then I got my first big lead.
5:33 Speaker 03 Remember back in episode one, I found out that Mark was seen with a guy called Terry Souda on the night he died.
5:43 Speaker 03 When you saw him on the steps, who was he with?
5:45 Speaker 04 Terry Souda, yeah.
5:47 Speaker 03 And you're pretty sure he was with Terry Souda?
5:49 Speaker 04 Terry was sitting to the right of Mark, I still remember that.
5:53 Speaker 03 The big lead was this. Terry Souda's mum called me. She'd seen my reporting and she said she had something to tell me about her son.
6:06 Speaker 03 We're going to meet Fay Souda. I met with her last night and she was like, she just said, "I want to talk." She wants to help Duck and his family get justice. So this is a big lead. So I'm very keen to get Fay, Terry's mum, and talk to her about what she knows.
6:31 Speaker 03 I sit down with Fay at her house in West Tamworth.
6:36 Speaker 03 I can tell she's nervous about speaking to me. She's got short brown hair and a round welcoming face. She speaks about her son with a raw kind of warmth.
6:46 Speaker 04 Gentle, fun-loving, do anything for anybody.
6:52 Speaker 03 But after a while, she steals herself, as if she's about to tell me something important.
6:58 Speaker 04 Well, I think Terry was with all these people.
7:04 Speaker 04 And he was the driver of the car that manoeuvred Everybody. to and from, the dumping of Mark Haines's body. From what we gather and what we've heard is that Terry did not know Mark Haines was in the boot of a car and taken out to the Walrus silos, put on the row wide track.
7:35 Speaker 03 It's a surprise to hear Fay say that her own son was involved.
7:41 Speaker 03 She's slowly cobbled together this story from what other people have told her. But this isn't just rumour, she says. Because some of this information comes from someone close to her, someone she trusts, a relative.
7:56 Speaker 03 This relative told Fay that he wants to remain anonymous. He didn't see how Mark died, and he didn't see Mark in the boot of Terry's car, but he did see Mark's body.
8:11 Speaker 03 Early on the morning of Mark's death, this relative, who was just a 14-year-old boy at the time, says he was woken up by Terry.
8:20 Speaker 03 The boy notices that Terry seems scared or agitated, like something terrible has happened. But Terry's not saying much. He just tells his relative to get up and takes him out to the tracks.
8:36 Speaker 03 Despite the humid night, Terry has his favourite red jacket with him.
8:44 Speaker 03 There's a bit of drizzle around as they get to the tracks.
8:49 Speaker 03 Terry tells the relative to keep his distance.
8:53 Speaker 04 Terry wouldn't allow him to go close. And he also worried about his safety.
9:04 Speaker 03 The young relative hangs back and watches Terry walk up the gravel incline.
9:13 Speaker 03 Terry's shadow is moving around a figure lying on the tracks. Terry takes his favourite red jacket and does something strange.
9:25 Speaker 04 Terry had folded it and put it under Mark's head on the railway track.
9:35 Speaker 03 And that's all the relative saw. The boy was just left with this haunting memory of watching from a distance as Terry moved around a body on the tracks.
9:50 Speaker 03 I think I'm standing around about where that boy was standing. And if you're out here at night, and they would have been out here at night, right now it is really, really dark. But you can still make out the train tracks and next to me is a highway. So lots of cars coming through and that's lighting up bits of track. So, so yeah, this boy looked down and saw Terry
10:19 Speaker 03 sort of crouched over doing something to this body's head. And I think that body was Mark Haines. And he says that Terry put a red jacket on Mark's head. And the police never found a red jacket at all. So I'm just wondering whether or not what he saw was actually a towel. But if Mark and Terry were friends, uh, just makes me wonder what, what was going through Terry's mind? Why, why come back out here? I mean, and certainly when you, when you hear what the boy said, which is it looked like Terry was comforting Mark, you can't help but think that he came back out here to either see if Mark was still alive and maybe help him, or
11:03 Speaker 03 put a towel under his head to make it, make people realise that Mark didn't come out here alone. And we'll never really know what happened out here that night. We can't ask Terry because six months after Mark died, Terry was found dead in his bedroom.
11:24 Speaker 04 This is my son's box, I call it. I, I made it myself out of a shoebox. It's got just little bits and pieces and
11:36 Speaker 04 information, things like that in there.
11:39 Speaker 03 Terry took his own life at home in July 1988. He was alone. The rest of the family was out celebrating his cricket team's grand final win. Terry had left the celebrations early, telling his mum that he was going home to cook dinner.
11:55 Speaker 04 That's, um, Terry's final message.
12:00 Speaker 03 So this is his suicide note?
12:03 Speaker 04 His suicide note.
12:04 Speaker 03 And it's, it's just a little yellow note? Do you want to read that for me?
12:09 Speaker 04 I will. "Love you all, I can't handle life. Love, Terry."
12:19 Speaker 03 For Fay, Terry's suicide came out of the blue, and she's spent the last few decades asking why.
12:27 Speaker 04 You never know with suicide, what's on a person's mind, why. I, I think I'm coming close to my answer.
12:43 Speaker 03 Faye shows me some photos of Terry. He's young with a blonde mullet. He looks a bit like David Bowie. I notice that his hair has a slight curl to it.
12:55 Speaker 02 The passenger in the front seat had blonde hair, curly. They all look to be young fellows to me.
13:06 Speaker 03 So maybe, just maybe, Terry was in that car that was hooning around the time and the place where Mark was last seen. Faye thinks Terry wouldn't have hurt Mark, but she seems sure that he was involved somehow, or was there. She believes that there was a group of teenagers there that night, and that one or more of them have been holding on to a dark secret for decades.
13:30 Speaker 04 I mean, these kids of Terry's age, you know, they were all teenagers. And to think, someone's done this and left me in pain for 30 years. And the Craigie family. 30 years we've had to live with it. Doesn't go away.
13:59 Speaker 03 Faye heard that before Terry's death, he wrote three letters to people close to him. These letters are rumoured to detail exactly what happened to Mark. Since hearing this, I've tried hard to track down those letters, with no luck.
14:15 Speaker 04 He couldn't do anything. He couldn't even kill a rat. But I think he was involved. And to me, that's what he would have meant on his letter by, "Life is too hard to live", because he could not have handled anything like that.
14:34 Speaker 03 When Faye first told me about all of this, I was wondering why she hadn't come forward with this information years ago. I was surprised to hear Faye say that she had gone to the cops over a decade ago. A detective wanted to follow up with her in Tamworth, so Faye arranged to travel up from Sydney.
14:54 Speaker 04 Yeah, it was a weekend. My daughter and I hired a car, which he knew that we were doing. And... We had to ring him up outside of town so that we could meet him somewhere, have a cup of coffee and have a chat.
15:14 Speaker 03 But the meeting never happened.
15:16 Speaker 04 He never answered his phone and I've never spoken to him or seen him ever since.
15:23 Speaker 03 Did you go into the police station in Tamworth and ask if he was there?
15:27 Speaker 04 Yeah, when I went in and asked a uniformed officer behind the counter, if I could speak to detective and he said, oh, hang on a minute. And he went away, which naturally I thought, oh, he's gone to get him or something. He come back and he said, no, there's no such detective here. So I just took him out of his word.
15:53 Speaker 03 We did speak to this detective, he does exist, and he denies that this happened. He says he never would have avoided people wanting to make a statement.
16:07 Speaker 03 The history of Mark's case seems to be full of moments like these, when people come forward with crucial information. And maybe behind the scenes, the police were doing all sorts of work, trying to make use of the new leads. But to the people on the outside, it just looked like they didn't care. Duck was annoyed to find out that there was a new lead that hadn't been followed up, but he wasn't surprised.
16:30 Speaker 05 It's what I would expect from this local command of investigators.
16:37 Speaker 03 It made him angry to hear that Fay had first gone to the police about this over a decade ago.
16:43 Speaker 05 She, quite a few years previously, contacted the police and told them that her son was driving that motor vehicle and possibly Mark was in the boot.
16:58 Speaker 03 When Fay came forward a second time after seeing my reporting, one of Duck's goals was finally realised, the police reopened the case.
17:11 Speaker 03 But that optimism quickly turned into frustration. Months went by and the police still hadn't taken a formal statement from Fay. We'd been told the case was active again, but there didn't seem to be much investigating going on. I was starting to get a taste of the frustration that Duck had felt all these years, and it was really getting to me.
17:34 Speaker 03 I had to do something about it. I called New South Wales Greens MP, David Schubridge.
17:39 Speaker 04 And the call was, "There's been years of work regarding the death of a young Aboriginal boy just south of Tamworth, and there was a request for help."
17:48 Speaker 03 I knew that he was a criminal barrister who'd handled cases like this in the past. And I was interested in how he'd respond to this story. I asked him if he'd come and meet Mark's family.
17:59 Speaker 04 Could I get up to Tamworth? Could I meet with this character called Duck and see what, if anything, I could do? So I said, "Yes." Next thing I know, I'm meeting this extraordinary bloke. And once you meet him, once you start hearing the story, how could you not keep campaigning for him?
18:17 Speaker 05 He was genuinely interested, he was genuinely concerned about how this investigation, if you call it that, has taken so long. Dave even said that, "Look, this matter would have been, you know, if they were professional." He said, "This would have been resolved in a matter of weeks."
18:39 Speaker 03 I gave David a copy of the inquest transcript. Like me, he was stunned by the behaviour of the police.
18:46 Speaker 04 The explanation from the police about this young man's death never held water. Even the most cursory scrutiny would have said that it was a farcical explanation. It was almost as though the police shrugged their shoulders and said, "Yeah, you know how it is. Young Aboriginal men, they just walk away, lie down on railway tracks and wait to get hit by a freight train." That's actually their answer. Not looking at it as a family that deserves answers for their grief and their loss, just, "Ah, young black kids, they lie down in front of railway trains."
19:15 Speaker 03 The first thing David Schubridge did was try to go and see police in Tamworth.
19:19 Speaker 04 Well, as an MP, if you're going into an area and you're going to start questioning how a particular government agency has worked, I take it as part of what I should do, is I give them... The courtesy of telling them I'll be in the patch and saying, I'd like to pop in and get your side of the story, find out what's been happening. And I did exactly that with the police here. I said I'd be up there with the family and we wanted to attend with the family to get some direct answers.
19:46 Speaker 03 The police declined to meet with them.
19:48 Speaker 04 That wasn't 1988. That was just two years ago.
19:52 Speaker 03 I was there at the time, watching it all. David and Duck are peas in a pod, they're both fighters. I wasn't surprised when they staged a protest right out the front of the station.
20:06 Speaker 05 Justice for Mark and we want the truth of what really happened to him to be unearthed.
20:14 Speaker 05 This isn't right, that families have to go out of their own way to investigate what they believe is very serious crime. Pull your finger out Attorney General, state government.
20:29 Speaker 04 We had a press conference out the front and basically shamed them into meeting with me and Duck.
20:34 Speaker 03 They got the meeting, but things quickly turned sour. Duck and David demanded to know why the explosive information from Face Suda hadn't been followed up.
20:45 Speaker 04 Duck is saying, well, did you contact this witness, whose name and details and numbers I gave you? And non-answers coming back from the police.
20:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, well, Dave asks about their statement and why it wasn't acted upon earlier.
21:04 Speaker 04 And then I said, well, it's a very simple question. You know, you've had these contact numbers, you've had these details. Have you actually arranged and had a face-to-face meeting and actually interviewed them?
21:14 Speaker 05 The police reacted by saying, don't tell us how to do our job.
21:20 Speaker 04 I said, I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job, I'm just trying to find out if you've done anything.
21:25 Speaker 03 That meeting failed to ease 28 years of tension between the family and police. The cops didn't concede any wrongdoing. After that, David Shubridge grew frustrated with police in the Oxley Local Area Command.
21:39 Speaker 04 This required the attention of broader media, it required the
21:44 Speaker 04 Attention of the state government. I saw how we weren't going to get anywhere, just banging our heads against the wall of the Oxley Local Area Command. Mr David Shubridge. Mr President, on the 16th of January 1988, in the early hours of the morning, a 17-year-old Aboriginal boy, Mark Anthony Haynes, was found dead on the train tracks outside Tamworth. So I came back and I raised it squarely in Parliament. I put on record what we knew to that point about Mark's death and demanded a separate state crime command investigation, the homicide squad effectively, because I knew if we just left it there at Oxley, nothing would happen. The case remains open, but for the family and community to have faith in the police investigation, there needs to be a break with the past.
22:29 Speaker 04 For this reason, I am today writing to the New South Wales Police Commissioner, seeking to have the investigation...
22:33 Speaker 03 Two months later, on the 29th anniversary of Mark's death, New South Wales Police announced the state homicide squad would review the investigation. There's movement on the cold case of Tamworth teenager Mark Haines. The family has been calling for the case to be moved from the Oxley Local Area Command to the state's homicide squad. And today, they got what they've been asking for. And I understand that the state crime command are willing to conduct a review of the investigation.
23:04 Speaker 03 With the case active again, the next step was getting the police to commit to a reward. But as was becoming standard with this case, if the police didn't act, the family wouldn't wait. Last year, Uncle Jack stumped up $20,000 of his own money as a reward, in the hope it would encourage someone to come forward.
23:25 Speaker 05 I love to put $20,000 of my own money to any information to lead up to arrests, you know, just to try and solve this mystery.
23:40 Speaker 03 No one came forward to claim the $20,000, but the police had been spurred into action and they were finally making plans to announce a reward of their own.
23:55 Speaker 03 The 16th of January this year was the 30th anniversary of Mark's death. It was always going to be a big day for Mark's family. But none of us were really prepared for just how big a day it would be. The police had called a press conference to make an announcement about the case.
24:13 Speaker 03 We're outside the Tamworth Police Station, just across the road. People are gathering, a small group of mostly Aboriginal community members. They have posters that they've written up with the words "What happened to our boy Mark? Gone but not forgotten." And they're pinning a small black and white photograph of Mark with the colours of the Aboriginal flag in ribbons, onto each other's shirts. And they're going to head across to the police station where the police will give a statement.
24:52 Speaker 03 Look, welcome everyone this morning to Tamworth Police Station. And today is a significant day. It commemorates the death of young Tamworth man Mark Haines in 1988, 30 years ago today. Significantly, we can announce today, a major reward has been offered of half a million dollars to assist police and the family in getting some resolution on Mark's death. While it was three decades overdue, the family were happy there was finally a reward on the table.
25:22 Speaker 05 And we very much appreciate this substantial reward being offered today, which is a day of very significance to us. And as I've said, this is a community issue. This boy belonged to the community of Tamworth. And no family should have to go through the anguish of not knowing what has happened to their loved ones.
25:51 Speaker 03 It was a rollercoaster day for the family. The police reward announcement that morning was a high point, but the afternoon would be more somber. They had to head over to the cemetery to finally lay Mark to rest. Just a few weeks before all of this, I'd found out that 13 tissue samples taken from Mark's organs were still being housed at the coroner's court in Sydney. The family knew nothing of their existence until I told them. Now, they were about to cremate those last remains. For Mark's brother and sister, Ron and Lorna, it was a bittersweet moment. Yeah, I know, it got a bit emotional, you know, so... I think, you know, because me and Lorna, you know,
26:37 Speaker 03 we can't, I can't explain it in words, but, you know, but it just, like, hurts too much. I suppose it's a journey you thought you'd never have to make, right?
26:49 Speaker 06 Yep.
26:51 Speaker 03 In 30 years.
26:52 Speaker 06 It's a long time, it's too long, not knowing.
27:00 Speaker 03 That afternoon at the cemetery, a smoking ceremony was held and speeches were made.
27:05 Speaker 05 We hope one day
27:08 Speaker 05 we may be able to replace the plaque that's on here right now,
27:14 Speaker 05 where it is stated, mysteriously died 1601, 1988.
27:23 Speaker 05 Hopefully that day will come while I am still upon this earth and I would like to see that change, which means to say we will truly be at the end of our journey.
27:50 Speaker 03 For Aboriginal people, including the Gomeroi, it's important to be buried whole on country. For 30 years, Mark's body remained incomplete, which means his spirit couldn't rest. Now he was finally at peace.
28:06 Speaker 03 This year, hopefully, yeah.
28:09 Speaker 06 Got a good feeling. Yeah, I've got a good feeling too, yeah, about it, you know. Something's, you know, he's got to come, you know, so.
28:22 Speaker 03 From the reward announcement in the morning to the burial in the afternoon, it was a pretty huge day for Mark's family. And by the time the sun was setting, I also felt completely overwhelmed by everything that had happened.
28:45 Speaker 03 It's around seven thirty P M. And I'm lying on my hotel bed in Tamworth. I'm absolutely shattered. I didn't count on how emotional I would feel. And I don't like talking about the emotional toll that it takes on me sometimes because i- it's not my pain to have. You know, I'm here for the family to give them a platform. And sometimes I become part of the family. And then sometimes I am the journalist. It's very hard to go between the two sometimes.
29:29 Speaker 03 But I'm incredibly privileged and honoured to, to be able to share their story. Having been with the family for the past five years, when I first spoke with them, nobody listened to them. Not the police, not a politician, no one. And to be here and seeing the police announce a five hundred thousand dollar reward, it's kind of surreal, actually. And then when we went to the cemetery to see the family, I think it was like popping a cork off a bottle. Like, the emotion just flowed.
30:14 Speaker 03 It was almost as if they had to do a second funeral. Was a very, very special moment because.
30:25 Speaker 03 Black followers look after each other. We have to. There is so much inequity between Aboriginal and non-Indigenous people that it's so important that we continue to maintain our tradition and look after our mob.
30:54 Speaker 03 The 30th anniversary of Mark's death felt like a moment when everything crystallised, when everyone felt like they had hope again. Since then, things have started to shift pretty dramatically in my investigation. And people are coming forward to speak with me who've never spoken before. In the next episode of Unravel...
31:16 Speaker 01 She said that had gotten drunk, had become very emotional, and had told her that he was there the night that Mark was dead, and that he'd placed Mark's body on the tracks.
31:34 Speaker 03 Head to abc.net.au/trucrime to see a video that looks at the forensic evidence and explores the clues suggesting that Mark wasn't alone on the tracks. If you know anything about those letters written by Terry Souda or anything else about this case, please get in touch. We're already following up on some of the leads you've sent in. Our email address is [email protected] If this story has raised concerns for you or someone you know, anywhere in Australia, you can contact Lifeline on 13 11 14.
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