Haunted with Aliza Kelly

What does 2025 hold for the Two Girls One Ghost crew and you spooky fantoms? Chaos? Change? Aliens?! ✨ Join Corinne, Sabrina, and special guest Aliza Kelly—a cosmic powerhouse and author of It’s All Magic—for a spirited dive into astrology, witchcraft, and what the stars have in store for us all. Aliza spills the celestial tea on 2025, a year packed with planetary shifts, eclipses, and retrogrades that promises a year that is anything but boring... In this episode, we explore: 🌙 Hauntingly accurate astrology readings that illuminate Corinne and Sabrina’s charts—spoiler: Saturn is keeping them on their toes and is DADDY. 🔮 Aliza’s journey as a magical child (hello, Victorian ghost vibes!) and her insights on balancing fate, free will, and the death card. 🛸 Predictions for a wild 2025—complete with Martian energy, technological upheaval, and maybe… a government shake-up?! Will the stars align in your favor next year, or will they lead to tear-streaked, sad-girl summers? Grab your candles, your cozy blanket, and your natal chart—this episode is one you don’t want to miss. Settle in for a cosmic conversation that’s as illuminating as a full moon and as mischievous as a trickster spirit. Let us know: what do you think 2025 has in store for you? 👻 Want to read Aliza's book, it's available now! Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] Encounters episodes are released every Thursday at 9am PST/12pm EST. Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! This episode is sponsored by Bilt and Goodr. Earning points on rent is now a reality when you pay your rent through Bilt. You can start earning points that you can use toward flights, hotel stays, fitness classes, and even your next rent payment. Start earning points on rent you’re already paying by going to joinbilt.com/TGOG. A pair of goodrs makes the perfect stocking stuffer. Starting at just $25, you can give the gift of goodr to anyone this holiday season! You can go to goodr.com/TGOG and use code TGOG for free shipping. If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:30Corinne Vien?

  So what does our 2025 look like?

• 1:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, ladies, 2025 is so intense. Neither good nor bad. There's a lot of new chapters that are beginning.

• 1:39Corinne Vien?

  And now we know 2025 will not be boring. Aliens take over.

• 1:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think that there's so many misconceptions around astrology and what it can do and how we can work with it and how we can utilize it. So cute.

• 1:53Corinne Vien?

  We're all actively dying in this room right now.

• 1:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, we are.

• 1:56Corinne Vien?

  We're decaying.

• 1:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yay.

• 2:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What is up?

• 2:21Corinne Vien?

  Welcome back.

• 2:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello.

• 2:23Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls One Ghost.

• 2:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls One Ghost.

• 2:26Corinne Vien?

  But it's not just Two Girls One Ghost.

• 2:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're right, it's not.

• 2:28Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 2:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's Two Girls One Ghost and Eliza Kelly.

• 2:31Corinne Vien?

  From Horoscope Weekly.

• 2:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We are your ghosts, this is, that is Corinne.

• 2:34Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am Sabrina, and we're really excited for the episode you're about to listen to. It is our December collab, Our Haunted With. And this month, we spoke to Eliza Kelly of Horoscope Weekly and the author of It's All Magic, which is out despite our confusion in the beginning of this. My confusion, my date dyslexia that I had. We don't find out necessarily why our brains are so messed up, but we do find out a lot about ourselves.

• 3:02Corinne Vien?

  And what's to come in 2025.

• 3:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which sounds a little bit chaotic.

• 3:06Corinne Vien?

  So if you're curious to hear maybe a little bit about our readings, or just the general reading for everyone for 2025, Eliza comes to bring her expertise. She has been practicing astrology and various forms of witchcraft for a very long time. She's extremely talented, very well versed. And she gave us her talents, let us borrow them.

• 3:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She gave them to us.

• 3:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, she, well, we sat there and we were like, whoa. But yeah, she helped us out in terms of figuring out what next year has to bring us. And you.

• 3:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you.

• 3:39Corinne Vien?

  The world.

• 3:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So we hope you enjoy this. Check out Eliza Kelly and Horoscope Weekly wherever you listen to podcasts. Check out her book, It's All Magic. And let us know what you think 2025 is looking like for you and how you feel about 2025, because it's literally right around the corner.

• 3:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I'm feeling better than 2024, let's say that.

• 4:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Well, looking on the up and up, hopefully. Positivity. Enjoy.

• 4:06Corinne Vien?

  Well, thank you so much for coming.

• 4:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, Eliza Kelly of Horoscope Weekly.

• 4:11Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 4:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so many other things.

• 4:13Corinne Vien?

  We have your new book.

• 4:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's All Magic.

• 4:16Corinne Vien?

  Thank you.

• 4:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When does it come out?

• 4:17Corinne Vien?

  It comes out October. 22nd. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so it's already, it's already out. So it's out.

• 4:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is December. Oh, wait. Yes. So, yes.

• 4:24Corinne Vien?

  So the book is already out.

• 4:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My brain just went.

• 4:27Corinne Vien?

  I was like, do I not know months? I believe you.

• 4:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Brain dyslexia. I don't know.

• 4:32Corinne Vien?

  Yes, it's already out. It's already out. Things are going well. Maybe you'll tell us why we are the way we are.

• 4:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, what is wrong with us?

• 4:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not a therapist, but kind of there is therapy with.

• 4:43Corinne Vien?

  It's very therapeutic.

• 4:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is very therapeutic.

• 4:46Corinne Vien?

  How did you get into reading charts and horoscopes?

• 4:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Astrology and everything.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  I'll try to do the short, long version for you.

• 4:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  I think, I mean, really rolling back the tape, I think the writing was always on the wall. As I'm sure you both relate, I was 100% like that girl who would come to the slumber party with the Ouija boards.

• 5:06Corinne Vien?

  Ouija bitch.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  The spooky. Yeah. And my earliest memories of being a kid are ones that were very magical, you know, where I did feel really, really magical and very much connected to different dimensions and different realms. So astrology was not, is not like that outside of that wheelhouse, you know?

• 5:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So did you see dead people?

• 5:28Speaker 01

  I thought that I was dead, actually.

• 5:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So very Lydia of you.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was. I remember looking in the mirror as a little kid and I was really pale and my skin would like glow in the dark. And I remember looking in the mirror and being like, this is a ghost and it was me. So it is kind of interesting thinking about, you know, reincarnation and children being so connected to recognizing their consciousness. And I definitely had that type of experience. I mean, this is probably, these are earliest memories. This is like three, four years old. I remember that.

• 6:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It makes me wonder if you were connecting to a past life in any way too, where your past life was like, I don't recognize this child in front of me because the soul I connect to or the physical being I connect to has died.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Yes. I mean, that is kind of how it felt.

• 6:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  And I also now know that that is a stage of consciousness, right? That is coming into your maturation and recognizing that you are in your body. But for me, and I'm sure for a lot of people, it did feel very mystical, you know? It felt like a very mystical experience to look in the mirror and be like. This is me?

• 6:40Corinne Vien?

  We are one.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, we are the same and like this body kind of.

• 6:43Corinne Vien?

  Your weird little meat suit.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 6:46Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's weird that I'm wearing this.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I was like a definitely a haunted Victorian child.

• 6:51Corinne Vien?

  I love that so much.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Super, super. But then, as time went on and, you know, I went through high school and I went through college, that wasn't something I was like carrying, wearing on my sleeve. It wasn't like the biggest attribute as to who I was.

• 7:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  But graduating college, I then found myself living in Los Angeles. And like many people in Los Angeles, I found myself very sort of like, who am I? What do I want to do with my life?

• 7:17Corinne Vien?

  We met in LA.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  We did?

• 7:18Corinne Vien?

  We went to college out there.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:20Corinne Vien?

  We also were like, who am I? And went to LA.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. We thought we were actors.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  We are not.

• 7:25Corinne Vien?

  Turns out we're podcasters.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you weren't totally wrong, right? Like you were in entertainment somehow. It just, you found your, a better space for you.

• 7:35Corinne Vien?

  Exactly.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  Integrate all of the things.

• 7:37Corinne Vien?

  Yes, yeah. LA is the perfect place to go, even if you're a little weird and woo woo, because there is so much out there to figure out.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:44Corinne Vien?

  And introduce yourself to like a huge group of people.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Though, I would say that, you know, mysticism in LA feels very different than East Coast.

• 7:55Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 7:55Speaker 01

  Magic. And I was like a New York City witch. LA witches are a little different. Neither good nor bad, different. It's just, it's a different kind of vibe.

• 8:05Corinne Vien?

  There is something about, I mean, I just recently moved back to the East Coast after being in LA for 13 years. So there is a completely night and day in terms of energy. I feel like the East Coast is rooted to something more historical. Yeah, it does feel that way. I feel like in LA, it does feel a little bit more like kombucha, yoga instructor.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  There's a new age, right? And like, that's also really interesting too, especially for witches who are very interested in like UFOs and aliens and like those different types of dimensions.

• 8:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  And I do think that having like Joshua Tree out there and having these different vortexes of energy is really mystical and esoteric as well, but it's a little less haunted. It feels more like it's, you know, astral messages from another planet or another dimension than in the East Coast, where it's like, oh no, it's just ghosts. It's just like ghosts and ghosts.

• 9:02Corinne Vien?

  Calling upon your ancestors and a bunch of dead people.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  Though LA is also a very haunted city. So like that also can't be discredited. It's a very, very haunted city. I mean, everything is haunted when you know where to lie.

• 9:14Corinne Vien?

  Truly. This house is haunted. Everywhere.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 9:18Corinne Vien?

  Do you feel like the place that you live in now is haunted? Have you experienced anything?

• 9:22Speaker 01

  We actually live in a 200-year-old house and it does not feel that haunted, which is really wild.

• 9:33Corinne Vien?

  You mean just good vibes all around from everyone who's ever lived there?

• 9:36Speaker 01

  I think that the energy there is very happy for us to be there and to be occupying it. I did a full house search, all the deeds as far back as I could go. And, you know, I see that people have died in the house. It's not like, I mean, a 200-year-old house, of course, you're gonna have people die in it.

• 9:53Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  But it, yeah, I've lived in much more haunted environments, you know? Like, I've, yeah, and it's really nice. I will say that the only thing that is notable is that Luke, my husband, and I will often hear the other person calling our name and we're not.

• 10:10Corinne Vien?

  That started since giving birth here.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 10:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  It was going on before we had our daughter. It was going on really as soon as we moved into the house. And, and like often it'll be like a very aggressive calling. So then I'll hear Luke be like, what? And I'm like, what? Like, what's up?

• 10:24Corinne Vien?

  I didn't say anything.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  You good? Yeah. And he's like, you were calling my name.

• 10:28Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:29Corinne Vien?

  Oh, and it goes both ways too. So you hear him.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Yes. But I would say that like, as we've talked about it, it seems more like it's kind of a prank and it seems more playful and it seems like whatever spirits are there are trying to like bring us together and get us to interact and it's kind of cute.

• 10:47Corinne Vien?

  That is cute.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I like that. You're their entertainment. Yeah, exactly. They're sitting back and observing you.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're like, I could mimic this voice. Do a little thing.

• 10:56Corinne Vien?

  They're having a good time.

• 10:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But okay, so you were saying you lived in LA for a little bit.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  So I lived in LA. It was in LA that I realized that I was, I really had a lot of inner work to do on myself. And that I really didn't know who I was. And in tandem with starting therapy, I also started to look at my astrological profile. And it really clicked for me.

• 11:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  It was sort of instantaneous where it was as soon as there was this map, this guidance as to who I was into the dimensionality of that, into the complexities of that. I finally had permission to be this complex, multi-dimensional person, which I don't think I had been really offering or allowing myself to possess before.

• 11:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How old were you?

• 11:45Speaker 01

  Twenty-three.

• 11:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. And also at that time, a really good friend of mine, my best friend from college and I, decided, we both started looking at astrology more seriously. We were both single. And at this time, like going back to 2013, 2014, Tinder really had just been introduced. Bumble hadn't even come out yet. So it was really just Tinder and we were like, this kind of sucks. What if we started an astrology dating app? So from 2013 to 2016, we ran an astrology dating app called Align. And we were very much-

• 12:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is so cool.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  I know. It is cool now, looking back.

• 12:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  At the time, it was, I mean, it was cool at the time too, but it was a really challenging experience because we were ahead of the curve on it. We would not be taken seriously by anyone. We've received emails from investors who apparently, you know, invested in female entrepreneurs who were like, you are a joke. Astrology isn't real. And it was a really-

• 12:53Corinne Vien?

  Why spend the energy to even send the email?

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Totally. Someone even said, like, usually I would wish women like you well, but I can't even do that in this case. Astrology is not viable. Astrology is not a cultural movement. Astrology is not mainstream. And it's like, you know, now here we are. Astrology is like, not to flex, but it's like, doing well, yes.

• 13:17Corinne Vien?

  Hello?

• 13:19Speaker 01

  The book. The book said hello.

• 13:21Corinne Vien?

  The book? The book? I just turned around and like, saw the plant waving. What the hell?

• 13:28Speaker 01

  You were having like, a little shop of horror.

• 13:32Corinne Vien?

  Geez, that is awful.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was. It was really challenging. How do I put it? Like, it was a, it was a really taxing experience.

• 13:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I'm sure.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Because we believed in it. We knew that it was, there was something tangible. We knew that it was something that was really going to be major.

• 13:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Because we saw the potential of it, and we were just being told, no, no, no. Two months after we closed Align, CoStar came out. CoStar pitched the same investors, got funding.

• 14:01Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 14:02Speaker 01

  So like, the timing of all of this was wild. So then, I was broke. I had no idea what I was gonna do with my life, yet again. I moved back to New York, where I'm from, and in that moment, my mentor, through all of this, an amazing astrologer named Annabelle Gatt, was like, don't give up on astrology. And at that moment, I had felt very betrayed by it. I felt like this practice had done nothing, and it had only led me into a worse situation than I was in when I had started that journey.

• 14:36Corinne Vien?

  Right, yeah.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  And she said, like, don't give up. And she so graciously invited me into her house, literally, into her classes, into like, a full-blown immersive mentorship with her. And in that time, I took everything that I had been learning in those three years, and really honed it, and became a real practitioner through that. And very quickly, everything started to connect. And I was still trying to-

• 15:07Corinne Vien?

  Can I just pause for a second and say how amazing it is that you actually, like, the universe is showing you the signs of the path that you should take, and you're taking it. A lot of people don't take it.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because it's easier sometimes to not.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think that it's also easy to have the ego get so bruised and wounded as it was in my case.

• 15:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, especially when people are going out of their way to say shitty things to you.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that you are sort of misdirecting where the wound is what the source of the wound is. Like, the source of the wound was not astrology, it was the fact that guys are sexist misogynistic assholes.

• 15:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And wouldn't see the potential for something great.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  And wouldn't take two young women seriously in their pursuit of something that men by and large hate.

• 15:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Right? Because guys still don't like astrology broadly speaking.

• 15:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  We still have a lot of work to do on the cis het men population.

• 16:03Corinne Vien?

  You just know that those guys went on a date with some woman who was like, ooh, so and so horoscope is showing. Or like something where it was like, oh, I can't date you, we're not.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  I mean, I feel like that's the rumor that guys would often say.

• 16:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  I remember guys when I was dating would be like, oh, I'm a Cancer, does that mean you don't want to date me? And I'm like, no, that statement is why I don't want to date you. It has nothing to do with your zodiac sign, honey. It's like, everything else is the problem. But yeah, this idea of like, women deciding whether or not they want to continue to see someone solely based on their zodiac sign. Like, I've truly never met someone who does that. Like, that would be a really bad application of astrology.

• 16:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, and also it's so much more than just your main sign.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I feel like I relate more to everything in, like, together rather than just being a Virgo.

• 16:58Corinne Vien?

  It's exactly why you can't open up a Cosmo magazine and read like, oh, what's the horoscope for Leo? And it doesn't always hit.

• 17:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The chances of it relating to every single person who's a Leo.

• 17:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 17:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't always going to work.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Yes, I think that there's so many misconceptions around astrology and what it can do and how we can work with it and how we can utilize it. And certainly, men who don't understand it, who have never taken the time to understand it, are not qualified to have a debate on astrology.

• 17:29Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  You know?

• 17:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Interesting statement that could be applied to a lot of different topics.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Yes. Truly.

• 17:36Corinne Vien?

  I wonder what you're talking about.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, what could it be?

• 17:40Speaker 01

  And that basically brings us to today. It was through that journey, through lots and lots of different death and rebirth cycles that I found myself in the place where I am now, which is now 35, having done astrology for my entire twenties and into half of my thirties, which is nuts. And if someone in college would have told me that this is going to be what my journey and what my career was going to be, I would have been like, you, I don't know about that. Like, does that even make sense?

• 18:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  But it does. And it's amazing. And I'm so grateful. And I feel so in alignment with myself and with what I'm supposed to be doing and what I'm good at and all of the things.

• 18:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  I have been thinking a lot about like, what a successful journey looks like because I am coming up on, well, it's been over 10 years of exploring this material, but even in my current business and the current operation, it's been eight years. And I've been thinking a lot about how much, you know, I do tend to focus on the successes rather than the failures. And there are a lot of failures and maybe even more failures than there are successes.

• 18:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But the failures are just as important, right?

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Yes, and I don't get hung up on them.

• 18:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  And I do think that that might be a distinguishing variable because I do think that there also is a conviction of someone who's like, well, I'm not meant to do this because look at all these things that didn't work out.

• 19:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  But if you're someone who just hyper focuses and fixates on the things that do work out, then you might have the longevity to keep going.

• 19:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 19:15Corinne Vien?

  Well, when we lived in LA and were in the acting world, there was something that was said by an acting coach, which I felt like I've kept with me for a long time. And it's you collect all your no's to get your one yes. So you need to collect your 10 no's or your 20 no's to get your one yes. I almost like every time I encounter an obstacle, I'm like, oh, another no in the bag. I'm that much closer to the yes.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that. That's nice.

• 19:35Corinne Vien?

  You're getting closer.

• 19:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like you appreciate the success more when you've had failures.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Yes, and I also think that people can understand and see you as a full person. I mean, this is why like nepo babies can be so insufferable because it's like you've never been told. No, once, you know, it's like the stories are more interesting when they're sort of checkered with lots of different ups and downs. And even though it's really hard to navigate them when you're on the ride, on the other side of it, you're like, actually, that was worth it. I have so much more perspective. I really can relish this good thing more than I could have if it was just came so easily.

• 20:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that reminds me a lot of a Saturn return.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which I actually learned about from, I had done trauma treatment and one of my therapists like looked at me. First session with her and she goes, oh, you're going through your Saturn return. And it was the first time I had heard about it. And I was like, what is that? And I looked it up. Granted, I thought I had started going through it because what brought me to trauma treatment, but it was like, oh, I'm just beginning it. And it was horrible for me. Some people, it's great. But then now on the other side of it, I'm like, I've learned so much about myself and it is a rebirth and rebirth isn't always easy, but I've taken so much positive from it.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. And during a Saturn return, we are going through this maturation process where we are becoming our adult selves. And that is independent from all of the pressures of society.

• 21:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  So we have to separate ourselves from our parents, from partners, from career identity, from all of the things that we think that we knew.

• 21:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  So that we can find authenticity and we actually can learn how to take care of ourselves and, and become our own daddy.

• 21:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Saturn is daddy. So it's like, how do you become daddy?

• 21:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, you know what's so funny is that remember, I didn't even know Saturn was daddy, but I've been calling myself daddy in the last year. When you told me you were pregnant and you were holding a mom mug, I was like, I really want a dad mug because I want, I'm daddy.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  I feel like you've also been calling yourself my baby a lot too.

• 21:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I can, I can be both. I shed my parents. Now you're my new mom.

• 21:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, gosh.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you went through your Saturn return. It was the end of 2022, first half of 2023.

• 22:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Was your Saturn return.

• 22:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 22:06Corinne Vien?

  Isn't that crazy that that specifically lines up?

• 22:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's exactly what it was.

• 22:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  And it's interesting because your Saturn is in an area of your chart, the 12th house, where it's very psychological. There's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of sort of like layer shedding.

• 22:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  And also figuring out like who's on your team and who's not on your team.

• 22:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  A big part of the Saturn return story. I actually, as I have your charts printed out, I was just noting some things. And one of the things that I did notice in both of your charts, actually, was Saturn. Because of the way that your charts are configured, you both have very significant Saturn transits going on right now. For you, Sabrina, because you're a Pisces rising, 20 degrees Pisces rising, Saturn is currently at 20 degrees of Pisces. It's it's on and around that degree right now.

• 22:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So does that like symbolize a continuation of some aspect of that? Or what does that?

• 23:02Speaker 01

  I would say yes.

• 23:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  And it's going to end soon. Because as soon as Saturn moves from your 12th house into your first house, we call this crossing the ascendant. When a planet crosses the ascendant, it's a really big deal because it takes something that has been sort of a, it's almost like the gestation period of it. It's very internal. We're thinking about it. We're reflecting on it. We're trying to figure out how to bring it into, to actually, you know, manifest the energy of it.

• 23:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is like, I'm gonna, like, I'm like, I was crying before we recorded and I didn't tell her anything.

• 23:35Corinne Vien?

  I was just in my face, I was like, don't do too much to tell anything that's going on with Sabrina for the camera's sake.

• 23:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that like, I've truly been frustrated in the last couple of months because I've been like, I thought I went through my Saturn return already. Like, I'm so self-aware, especially psychologically. And I've done so much work on myself and in learning and knowing who I am and want to be and the life I want to live. But there have been things where I just feel like I haven't been able to just like. Do that final effort. Connect the action. Yeah. So I like to hear that it's coming soon. Do you know when? What's the date and time?

• 24:12Speaker 01

  I will get the date and time for you, but it's very soon.

• 24:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll be outside waiting. I'll be at the support balloons.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 24:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's over. See, this is why I'm your baby.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Every daddy needs to be a baby.

• 24:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Every daddy is just a, is just a baby in this guy.

• 24:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want that on the shirt. Every daddy needs to be a baby too.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  It's true. It's a fine line between baby and daddy.

• 24:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  So yeah, it's a really powerful transformative time and you're going to really feel the difference between Saturn having been embodied in your 12th house for so long. We're talking since 2021.

• 24:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That literally is like truly.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it was 2021 and then it was your Saturn return and all of that was sort of wrapped up together. And now, you know, Saturn moved into Pisces out of Aquarius, which is where your Saturn is last year. But it's still been in this area where it's like the, you know, you're integrating it and you're figuring out how to like shed and you're figuring out what life is going to look like. And it's still emotional and there's still a lot of sort of, there's still a lot of carnage, you know?

• 25:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  And when Saturn finally gets into your first house, it's just going to feel so much more accessible. You're going to be able to actually use it and work with it. And it's going to feel like it's a tool rather than it is just another bag that you're carrying around.

• 25:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. This is amazing. I feel like we naturally progressed into like the reading of charts and stuff. But for everyone who's listening and as context for you, every year in our December, like our last episode before January, we read our charts. Horoscopes. And horoscopes for the year ahead. I mean, they're not very legit. They're just, we Google it.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Just AI.

• 26:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're like, whatever horoscope comes up.

• 26:07Corinne Vien?

  Seventeen magazine.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  It literally might be ones I wrote.

• 26:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Honestly, we should go back and look. But we're like, this is an even better, more advanced way to do it, where we actually have someone who's professional and educated in astrology to come help us look at our year ahead.

• 26:25Corinne Vien?

  Well, and our specific charts, not just our.

• 26:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, not just our suns.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do think that horoscopes are really amazing. Obviously, I wouldn't have a show about horoscopes if I didn't. But what they offer is a perspective. They offer a really powerful perspective into whatever that duration of the horoscope is. Your year ahead, your week, your month, your day, and it gives you permission to sort of look for things that you may have overlooked otherwise. So that is really the value and the merit to horoscopes is that it shifts your perspective in such a way where you can actually start to be accountable to your experiences. And because time, if you're not, I mean, one of the amazing things about astrology is how much it reveres time.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  I'm a Capricorn rising, so I'm obsessed with time. A lot of astrologers are Capricorn risings because we are Saturn. You know, we are watching all of the hands of the clock move and we're thinking about what came before and where we are now and what's coming up ahead. And astrology really gives us permission to do that. It lets us recognize that we don't have to waste a day. We don't have to waste a week. We don't have to waste a month. If we tune in and find presence in that, we can actually really be participatory in our life and in our experience in a way that I don't think it's always easy to do so otherwise, because life is happening, you know? And with astrology, it's not just happening. We are engaged with it. And that's really special to me.

• 27:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So how often are you like looking up your own birth chart and looking at how things are playing out for you currently or in the future?

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Well, I have sort of a sense of what's going on always and I have a sense of what's how things are affecting my chart.

• 28:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Sort of just broadly always.

• 28:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  But I also still get surprised.

• 28:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Like when my daughter, who's now 10 months old, started to have her food intolerance. I was like, what's going on in my chart? And I looked and Saturn was right on my moon to the exact degree. And I knew Saturn was in Pisces. I knew that I was going to have a Saturn, a moon Saturn conjunction. The moon represents your relationship with your mom, your mothering, all of these like mother concepts. Saturn, of course, is like responsibilities and it's daddy.

• 28:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So is Saturn mommy and daddy?

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Saturn is daddy, but who is like daddy is a concept, you know? Daddy isn't just like your parent who had the penis.

• 29:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. It's an energy.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  It's an energy. So a mom can also be a dad.

• 29:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Daddy. That's why I call myself daddy. I don't have a penis.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it was sort of, it was to the day and it was like, oh yeah, here is a new relationship that I need to form with motherhood. And this is the, this is the relationship that I need to be willing to show up for.

• 29:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  I can't, with a Saturn transit, like you can't gloss over it. And my moon in Pisces loves to, you know, if I can escape something, I surely will. I will find a way out.

• 29:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Load on by.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I will float on by. If possible, to be evasive.

• 29:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, someone else deal with this or no one deal with it. Yeah, I'm not. But then when you're a parent, it's impossible too.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  And that was one of those amazing astrology transits.

• 29:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's cool.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  I also had another, so something that I talk about a lot, which I think is, is important to mention as much as possible is the sort of transit tripping, I call it, but it's sort of projecting your own anxiety onto astrology and being like, oh no, I was told that this is coming and this is going to be bad and then sort of. Waiting for the other shoe to drop.

• 30:09Corinne Vien?

  So like a Saturn return if someone figures out what is gonna happen.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Yes, and then they're like, oh, no, no, no. But the thing is, is that when it comes to making predictions, a good astrologer is not going to say, this is how it is going to manifest.

• 30:22Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  A good astrologer is going to sort of offer, first of all, a host of different ways that something can, as many ideas as they could possibly muster as to how something is going to show up in our life.

• 30:34Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  And still, we're gonna be surprised.

• 30:37Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Because we are always, we have free will, we have agency. I think there's a major difference between people who are working with astrology and people who are just waiting for astrology to happen to them. And if you're just waiting for astrology to happen to you, like, a lot is gonna pass you by.

• 30:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Because you're not participating.

• 30:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  But if you are participating in it, you can start to see that even things that seem challenging are actually incredible blessings.

• 31:05Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  I had a transit that was happening a few years ago where I was really concerned about it. It was Uranus going on to my IC into my fourth house. And sort of the anxiety projection of that is like, everyone that I love is gonna die. You know, like, everyone that I love, all of my maternal figures, like, everything's gonna be uprooted. And what ended up happening is Luke and I got our place out of the city. Because it had to do with a big change in our foundation. But my anxious mind couldn't even think of what a great manifestation of that would be. And after that experience, I really came to realize and embody the fact that, oh, astrology is always filled with surprises.

• 31:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Especially with the planet like Uranus, which is the planet of surprise. But it is always filled with surprises. And it's cool to...

• 31:54Corinne Vien?

  Well, and to your point, you might read something and expect it to be something negative. But then, in this case, it's not.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:00Corinne Vien?

  And there's so many versions of it that doesn't have to be.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  And, you know, psychic readings or things like that where a tarot card might, like, the death card, might seem like there's a negative connotation to it. Or, oh, doom, or death, death, yeah, literally, or death. But it oft-

• 32:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that straightforward or that on the nose?

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you only die once.

• 32:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Right? But the chances are.

• 32:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In this life.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Well.

• 32:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Depends on what you believe.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  You know what I mean.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  In this body.

• 32:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In this body, yes.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  So with that, you know, we have, how many times are we going to pull the death card in a lifetime?

• 32:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Many.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Probably more times than we die, you know? So it can't, every time we pull it, it's not going to be death.

• 32:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Can't be. Or it is a death, but it's not a bodily, physical death.

• 32:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  It's a different kind. Yes.

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• 33:24Speaker 01

  So I want to also share with you the Saturn relationships that you have.

• 33:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, amazing.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  So this is one of the things that I really was noticing in your charts. As we were talking about Saturn is crossing your ascendant, and that is going to be happening right now, really, it's imminent. This is taking place. And then in your chart, Saturn is in the tenth house, which is the area that's connected with career and legacy, and really what you're building for yourself. It's sort of like how you are scaling that foundation and all of the things that you're bringing into your life as it relates to the reputation that you want to be cultivating. And that, for you, had started last year as well. So both of you are going through this big Saturn and Pisces, I suppose glow ups, if you will.

• 34:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I like that glow up.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  Where it's an opportunity to figure out who you are and how you want to be known and how you want to be seen and how you want to be remembered, and compiling all of those things to have the confidence to be able to arrive for it. And that's really what Saturn and. Pisces in that journey has been for both of you in different, but very compatible ways.

• 34:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's super interesting.

• 34:35Corinne Vien?

  Cause last year is when Brian and I started family planning and trying to get pregnant. And one of the things that had been really top of mind to me was trying to figure out like what parts of me I didn't want to bring into being a mother. And the things that I needed to work on and how I wanted to show up in this like new form. But that's kind of related to being a mom. So is this supposed to be more career?

• 34:58Speaker 01

  It's career, but I would say that, you know, it's interesting and not to get too technical, but the 10th house is the response to the fourth house. And the fourth house has a lot to do with the foundation that we are building our home. And mothering and your childhood and what it means to be expanding on your childhood, what worked and what didn't work. So the 10th house, which is, you know, oftentimes sort of glossed over as like the career house. If we are doing that one right, things that we want in our lifetime are the byproduct of the things we had or didn't have when we were kids. You know?

• 35:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  And building on that and expanding on that gives us so much insight as to what we really ought to be doing with our life. And what is meant for our soul and what is meant to leave behind.

• 35:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, right. Oh, wow. I love that. I know.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  At this point in the game, at this point in my understanding and my interpretation of charts. I really see these charts as the soul of someone.

• 36:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  And the soul wanting and needing to express itself in this exact format. In this moment, as it appeared in the sky. And I think that every single thing that we have in our chart is there to support us and is there to. Enable us to become the most actualized version of who we are, which include the challenging things that we have. Those are there because we are meant to have them.

• 36:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  And oftentimes, people will be like, but why am I still going? Like, why do I still have these same themes appearing over and over again? I thought that I got over it. I thought that I healed it. I thought I grew out of it. And it's like, no, those are the themes you are supposed to experience throughout your entire life. It's not a matter of like getting over it or doing the work or not.

• 36:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like one and done.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Exactly. It's like, no, that's for you forever. That's for you for this lifetime.

• 37:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  And that's okay.

• 37:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which can feel a bit intimidating.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For sure.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  For sure. I'm saying it casually and it's like.

• 37:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Really shocking news. This feels like pulling the death card. I mean, it makes me think of the conversation of kind of breaking generational trauma. And like, almost like the universe is setting you up to learn a lesson that perhaps like, either in a past life or your family has not learned yet and you're setting a new path to move forward.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  Yes, that's exactly how I see it too. And family charts are incredibly interesting. Something that I think, let me see if either of you have this. No, so neither of you have personal planets that are retrograde in your chart. So neither of you were born during a Mercury retrograde, a Venus retrograde, or a Mars retrograde. But for your listeners who were, I find that those personal planet retrogrades often indicate something in generationally that someone was not able to fully express. So if someone was born during a Mercury retrograde, it could be that a parent of theirs or a grandparent couldn't adequately communicate, right?

• 38:15Speaker 01

  They had, they, for whatever reason, they weren't able to really fully express themselves. And then that shows up in the individual's chart as a retrograde. And it's their journey to sort of really heal and work through that. Or if it's Venus retrograde, it could be about insecurities or values or resources. Or Mars retrograde, it could be that somebody felt very stuck and limited and unable to take action. Someone felt like they were really held back. And it's not necessarily the person who has it in their chart, but it's the line that they come down from.

• 38:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so powerful. Have you looked up your daughter? Chart?

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Oh, of course.

• 38:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 38:56Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because right now I'm thinking like, oh shit, I need to make sure that I do what I need to for healing anything that's weird coming up in Noah's chart.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  I think that I asked what her rising was. I mean, it's such a blur giving birth, but I think that it was within minutes of I was like, Luke, get the chart, you know? And like, she was on me. It was in the moment that I was holding her and I asked for Luke to tell me her chart while she was in my arms for the first time.

• 39:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's amazing. I love that.

• 39:25Corinne Vien?

  She's here and you have to understand her.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:27Corinne Vien?

  This is the first step.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  Well, it was like, what's it gonna be? The whole time, it was a very long delivery and the whole time I was watching the chart move and I was like, all right, we're not gonna be this moon.

• 39:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Things are continuously changing. Yeah.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 39:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's pretty cool.

• 39:41Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 39:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Have you done Noah's yet? You should do that.

• 39:43Corinne Vien?

  Well, no, but I don't know that I would understand it.

• 39:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Well, I would.

• 39:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, then, Alisa, you can help us. Don't worry. I know someone who does.

• 39:50Corinne Vien?

  I'm gonna say, help me. What do I need to know? Yeah. So, one of the things that we noticed when you sent over the charts is that in my chart, the lines are kind of crossing all over the place. And then Sabrina's is really heavy in the top half of that. Does that mean anything at all?

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Everything means something.

• 40:06Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  You know, when you're looking at a chart, everything is significant, but not everything is for you at that moment. And let me explain that. I have this sort of philosophy that you know what you need to know when you need to know it. So, it's sort of what is appealing and intriguing to you is meant for you in that moment. And what isn't, like, you could just as easily ask me, what are these numbers around here? And why do Sabrina and I both have these 26 and 25 degree Gemini's in this way? And then that would be interesting for you to know. But you're curious about the aspect lines. So, that means that that's important for you right now. The aspect lines have to do with the relationships between the different planets. So, in the center

• 40:50Speaker 01

  of these charts, there's lots of different lines going in lots of different directions. And the aspect lines sort of show patterns, show where energy is being concentrated, show what the dynamics are. So, in Sabrina's chart, We have a lot that's in the top half, in the top hemisphere of her chart, and also on the western hemisphere, on the, on the other side, on the right, if I'm looking at it. So, most of the aspect lines are connecting the planets in that region. Whereas in your chart, they're kind of all over the place. And what you'll notice is that your chart is much more spread out, it's fanned out. So, you have planets in lots of different houses. So, you don't have that same sort of concentration of planets in different houses, where what we would call them are stelliums,

• 41:35Speaker 01

  where it's sort of like, all the energy is like boiling up in these areas. When you have a stellium, it's very like feast or famine when you have a stellium, because it really means that like, when things are really good for that stellium, they're really good, and when things are really bad, they're really bad. Whereas with you, with your chart, because it's all splayed out, and it's fanned out across the chart, you're gonna have, it's not like it's more even keeled. I don't want to say that, because I feel like that's a simplification of it. But it just sort of, it's like a, there's a steadiness to it in your life. There's a steadiness to movement. You'll define a year as like, oh, this was a really good year, or this wasn't as good of a year. But with a stellium, it's like, I had a great October, or I had a shitty October.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  You know, it's like month by month.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  So, yes, that is one of the differences.

• 42:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my god.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. The energy is compounding differently.

• 42:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  It's more spread out for you.

• 42:33Corinne Vien?

  That totally makes sense.

• 42:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Were the things that stuck out to you about our charts individually, and then also reading them side by side? Was there anything connectivity, compatibility between Corinne and I?

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Should we quit the podcast?

• 42:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are we horrible business partners and friends?

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Quit the podcast.

• 42:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stop being friends.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you're not compatible, sorry to say.

• 42:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The last seven years, or 13 years of our life have been a lie.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  It's been a lie. Well, that's always a funny thing because that is something that I feel is one of the misconceptions around astrology is astrology doesn't indicate whether or not people are compatible. It's how they are compatible, right? If a couple has been together or friends have been together for years and then they come and it's like, are we compatible? It's like, you know you're compatible. Yeah, obviously you are. You are in a relationship. You're friends, you're best friends. You have a business together, whatever it is. But what we can see is, is how it works, right? And what the strengths are, rather than it feel like something where we have to qualify whether or not it exists. Yeah. We know it exists. It's not a do or die. Yeah, we get it. It's doing. It is, it's already doing.

• 43:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or are we dying together?

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Always, with every breath.

• 43:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cute.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  We're all actively dying in this room right now.

• 43:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, we are.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  We are decaying.

• 43:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yay.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  The beauty of life. Corinne, did you know you were born during a full moon?

• 43:54Corinne Vien?

  I did know that. So cool. Because my mom likes all the witchiness. And so she always reminds me, a Tuesday on a full moon.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Oh, cool. I love it. What else do you know about that?

• 44:03Corinne Vien?

  That's about it.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, how do you metabolize that? Or how does, how do you feel about full moons? Like, do you feel connected to them?

• 44:11Corinne Vien?

  I definitely do. I always feel very different. Like, I can pretty much tell when there's gonna be a full moon without tracking it at all. Because I think my body responds to it. And my mom oddly does too. And I know a lot of people feel something when the full moon is happening, but there's a part of me that's very restless. And if I spot a full moon, like, out the window, I can't fall asleep. I basically just have to moon gaze and stare at it for like, hours, which I don't know.

• 44:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You lock eyes with the moon?

• 44:38Corinne Vien?

  I'm in a relationship with the moon, I think.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  It's complicated.

• 44:41Corinne Vien?

  It's complicated. Yeah.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Being born during a full moon is a really, it's a, it's a notable thing because The chart that you're born under is sort of a snapshot of what you're, again, you know, what your soul wants and how your soul wants to express itself in this life. And full moons are all about exposure, illumination, revelations. And as a Leo with an Aquarius moon, you're on this access of figuring out what creativity means to you, what your sort of product is supposed to be, and then who it's for, right? The sun wants to shine in Leo and it wants to sort of be at the center of things.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  And I can say this as a fellow Leo. But in the moon in Aquarius is very much like thinking about the greater good, humanity, who's benefiting? How is this going to be something that really moves the needle and makes a difference? When is just being at the center of it not enough, right? And balancing and navigating those, I mean, frankly, doing what you're doing is such a great manifestation of the full moon in Aquarius. Because you have a microphone in your hand, which is very important for a Leo. But then you're also helping people, right? And podcasting, people listen to podcasts because they have an experience from it, right?

• 46:11Speaker 01

  They're learning, they're connecting, they're forming a community. Or just recognizing that they're not as alone in their hobbies or their interests or their ways of seeing the world and that they're understood, right? And that is very much what the moon in Aquarius is all about. It wants to make a really significant difference. So I think that this is such a great manifestation of that for you.

• 46:34Corinne Vien?

  That's very interesting. Yeah, because I feel like in terms of Leo, I've always felt very connected to Leo in terms of like the having a lot of pride. But when it comes to sort of the stereotypical like big ego busting in the room, all eyes on me, I've never felt connected to that. And yet, when I'm in a group setting, I find myself kind of being almost like the conductor socially and kind of can naturally follow. All into that place, but I also feel so uncomfortable having to be put on the spot to be that. So I've, I felt kind of like at odds sometimes with, I guess, like being a Leo and like who I am. So it is kind of interesting to see kind of how that is sort of connecting where it's like a mixture of everything.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  I agree with you. I mean, that was my experience as well. I'm a Leo sun with a Pisces moon. So even though there are certain qualities of me that are undeniably very Leo. For me, my internal experience, which is the moon in Pisces was also like, I would never take the spotlight and make someone else feel uncomfortable around it. I always would rather other people sort of have their experience. I don't want to try to step on any toes. I want to always be conscientious about how I'm expressing myself and making sure people feel good. And so similarly, it was not the typical sort of stereotype of the Leo sun experience, which then gave me

• 48:01Speaker 01

  insight as to why astrology is super cool is because you can have multiple truths simultaneously. And being born during the Aquarius full moon as a Leo gives you so much perspective as to, yes, it's like, you know, it's the energy, it's very much the energy of like, if no one is raising their hand in the class, I'm going to raise my hand because some, I don't want to make the teacher uncomfortable. Like I'm going to take one for the team.

• 48:25Corinne Vien?

  I give it like three beats and then I step in.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  And then people might misinterpret that as like, oh, there she is raising her hand again. But you're like, but nobody, if someone else wanted to raise their hand, they would have loved it, you know? So it's that, that is a perfect sort of example of it.

• 48:40Corinne Vien?

  To the T, I feel. Exactly what ends up happening.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Right. Because you're trying to do something for the greater good, but oftentimes you are the one who has to then be like, I'll get myself out there and start the conversation.

• 48:52Corinne Vien?

  Here I go again. Anyone see dead people? Really, this is a wedding.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  This is a Wendy's.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  So yeah, that's, that really stands out to me in your chart.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  And then, of course, because you were born so close together, I mean, you're just a few weeks apart. There are so many similarities as it relates to the outer planets and the timing and the Saturn return timing, the timing of different important astrological things that are happening. So you're like twins, you know? You're like sister twins, the shining twins.

• 49:30Corinne Vien?

  We're sister twins, mama and papa.

• 49:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sister wives.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  Mama, papa, baby, baby.

• 49:36Corinne Vien?

  Mama, baby.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Well, maybe that's part of why you can go through the different roles together, too. And you can oscillate is because when you find your little twin, you can experiment with like, okay, who's mommy, who's daddy, who's baby, who's grandpa?

• 49:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Actually, you know, it's interesting you say that because one thing you and I've always reflected on in our relationship is that we do go through these waves where one of us kind of has to like take on more work or take on a little bit more responsibility in our relationship because the other's going through things. And it's always kind of been that symbiotic relationship where we can do that and

• 50:15Corinne Vien?

  And it's almost unspoken.

• 50:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 50:17Corinne Vien?

  We never talk about it, but we just know that we're passing the baton back and forth.

• 50:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 50:22Corinne Vien?

  Right now, she is to support me.

• 50:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 50:24Corinne Vien?

  She's holding the torch.

• 50:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm mommy right now.

• 50:26Corinne Vien?

  She's mama. I'm baby right now.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  So cute.

• 50:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  So cute.

• 50:30Corinne Vien?

  We know that. And I've never had to say, hey, I have to be baby, you have to be mama.

• 50:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 50:34Corinne Vien?

  She just knows that she's mama.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  If there ever comes to be a moment where you're not sure what the roles are, you can also discuss them, too.

• 50:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  You can just say, you know, I'm mommy, daddy, baby.

• 50:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who am I today?

• 50:46Speaker 01

  And you'll probably all be in agreement with it, but it's also good. It's a good way to check in.

• 50:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. We should have like a little chart and put like a sticker, Sabrina is baby today.

• 50:56Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 50:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sabrina is mama.

• 50:57Corinne Vien?

  Or like an open clothes sign, but it's like, we have to like, when we walk in the room, we have to put on which one we need to be.

• 51:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:02Corinne Vien?

  I'm baby. I already claimed baby tonight.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 51:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  I'll be your weird.

• 51:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Aunt.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  I'm your uncle.

• 51:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uncle, I love it.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  So Sabrina, something that I noticed in your chart is that you have a really cool little stellium between your Chiron, your Mercury, and your Sun.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Now, do you know any about any of those planets?

• 51:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nope.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 51:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely not.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  So, starting with the most obvious, which is your sun in Virgo. The sun represents sort of, it shows how we move through our world. The sun shines, so wherever it is in our chart is sort of like, oh, that's your day to day experience, right? This is like the sort of the synthesis of how your chart, if you only could work with one thing, this is how your chart is going to move through the world and move through life. So your sun in Virgo is moving through life with a lot of awareness, right? A lot of insight, sensitivity, wanting to really be meticulous about your experience. It's connected to Mercury, which is also the ruler of Virgo. So excellent communication.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Corinne, you also are an excellent communicator. Gemini is your rising sign, which is also ruled by Mercury. So definitely, again, another affirmation that you guys are doing the right thing in podcasting, because communication comes very easily to both of you. So you have the sun and Mercury together in your chart. But just before that, you have Chiron at 28 degrees of Leo. And Chiron is the wounded healer. It's a comet. And I think it's really interesting that at the beginning of this conversation, you were talking about your trauma, your healing journey. Because yes, that is a huge part of what you are meant to be communicating and expressing.

• 52:56Speaker 01

  It's the wounds around, perhaps even who you are, what you can say, what you can't say, what is private information, what's public information, is a major part of the themes around your life.

• 53:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is the most spot on.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  But yeah, with that, I think that it's something that you are going to see over and over again throughout your life, is figuring out with your personal journey as it relates to your wounds and your healing, what is meant for you and what is meant to be shared.

• 53:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's a huge part of my life. I mean, especially right now.

• 53:34Corinne Vien?

  And it's extremely difficult when your career involves a microphone.

• 53:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And yes.

• 53:39Corinne Vien?

  Sharing aspects of your life that make other people feel curious about all aspects of your life. It's a difficult thing to navigate, especially when it's hard because you want to share things.

• 53:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so Of course I do, yeah.

• 53:52Corinne Vien?

  You allude to a lot, but some things involve other people and it's not appropriate to always

• 53:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Or I'm still working through it and figuring out how it relates to my life and how it looks moving forward.

• 54:04Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Well, as a Pisces rising, people are going to project a lot on you.

• 54:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  This is a big part of your experience.

• 54:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  In modern astrology, we would say that Neptune is the ruler of Pisces. Neptune is illusion, delusion, it's fantasy. It's a really ethereal and sort of mermaid-like energy. Where people can sort of assume a lot about you. People will also dump a lot on you. Probably it's one of those things where it's like people start like trying to trauma bond with you instantly.

• 54:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  Which is really evocative, you know? It's really wonderful to have that because it creates an allure.

• 54:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  But it also then makes it difficult and scary for you to be like, actually, that's not me.

• 54:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Like your ideas and your perception about me isn't me, but then you're like, but is it me?

• 55:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it part of me?

• 55:02Speaker 01

  But like, not all of me?

• 55:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it me? Am I the problem?

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's a really interesting existential question about all of this, you know?

• 55:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  If a tree falls in the forest type of thing, like if our charts don't express themselves by way of being perceived by others, are they really doing the work of the chart ever at all, you know?

• 55:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Do we need external variables to activate the things within us? And I would argue that we do.

• 55:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. It's kind of this idea of like, you're born with some version of your personality, but then it's your life experiences that Either alter it or enhance it.

• 55:39Corinne Vien?

  Nature versus nurture.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Yes, and this is the argument that I make for twins, right? Who would have very, very similar birth charts. You know, twins born within minutes of each other might have nearly identical charts.

• 55:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  But the minute that these two different people come out with their identical charts, the world is treating each person differently.

• 56:01Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Which is the, is there a twin that needed more support when they were born? Is there a twin that was really pretty and the other one was not so much? Like, that feedback is informing the way that the chart is going to express itself.

• 56:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  The way it's going to manifest. And then you have these two identical charts that live different lives from the minute that they come into the world.

• 56:22Corinne Vien?

  See, that's so wild, because my dad is a twin and he and his brother are so different. There's plenty of aspects of their personalities, like socially and kind of the way that they communicate that can be similar. But in terms of how they live their lives and just how they appear and present themselves, it's, it's very, very different.

• 56:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  Because the chart needs to be sort of evoked, you know?

• 56:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fed life experience.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes.

• 56:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. So fascinating.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 56:51Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so these are birth charts, but I'm so curious. Have you ever looked up charts that have to do with specific events? Like when the Mothman was first spotted or when Britney Spears was emancipated.

• 57:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With Morbid, the Salem Witch Trials?

• 57:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was recently on Morbid and we did an extensive deep dive into the Salem Witch Trials. We looked at, I think, like 60 charts. I actually still have them in my backpack.

• 57:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  And we could bust them out for this one too. I just come, every time I come to Massachusetts, I bring 60 Salem Witch Trial charts with me. But yeah, it was really, really fascinating to look at them. And it's really delightful for me because I am.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Truly quite the nerd, right? And applying astrology to interesting historic things.

• 57:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  To see what was going on is

• 57:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so cool.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  Really riveting. But I also can do this with contemporary current events. You know, I remember when during Kavanaugh's trials a few years ago, the astrology was really literal. I think we had some really interesting Scorpio placements and Venusian placements that had a lot to do with women, women being heard, women not being heard.

• 58:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Just really fascinating manifestations of the archetypes.

• 58:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. Has there been a specific event or like maybe a specific celebrity where you kind of obsess over that chart?

• 58:21Speaker 01

  That's a good question. I've gone through phases at different times of different charts that I thought were really interesting. I mean, I thought that J Lo and Ben Affleck were really interesting and the timing of their charts.

• 58:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  And

• 58:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's cool.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  Because the first time they were together, they were on the same nodal axis. The eclipses were in the same point as where they were when they got back together. So that was something that I thought was very interesting.

• 58:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so cool.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was because those, it's a 19 year cycle.

• 58:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  So it was not, it was a long cycle that they had to come back around through.

• 58:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, it kind of reminds me of like the invisible string theory a bit where you've crossed paths with someone, but you don't really get brought into each other's lives for X amount of time because you weren't meant to be in each other's lives until then.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  Yes, I mean, that's also a huge part of astrology. And when we talk about compatibility, we have charts, but we also have timing. And sometimes people will be like, you know, how does the compatibility look in the charts? And it can look amazing and it can look so matched. But if one person is going through their Saturn return, another person is going through their Jupiter return or some other square that's happening, it might simply not be the right time for these people to come together. Or even something smaller, you know, in the past couple of years, Sabrina, with Saturn going through your 12th house, like this has been a difficult time for you, right? And during that difficult time, it wouldn't necessarily be the best time for some

• 59:52Speaker 01

  big life-altering thing to happen during that time because you're like, I'm in a weird place right now.

• 59:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  But as soon as Saturn gets out of that, you're going to be out of that weird place. And then it's going to be, you're going to feel much better about introducing

• 1:00:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  different storylines into your life.

• 1:00:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So what does our 2025 look like?

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  Well, ladies, I did. I did pull out some sheets here on what to expect for 2025.

• 1:00:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Oh, I'm excited.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  2025 is so intense.

• 1:00:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In a good way?

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:00:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Just intense.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:00:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm clutching my pearls.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  I don't want to qualify it yet.

• 1:00:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, right.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:00:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yeah. I love how we just had a whole conversation about the death card and then I immediately go, in a good way?

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:00:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll look back and be like, 2025 was this. And you'll be like, my January was this, my February was this. Because if we've learned anything, that's the way it goes.

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  So we start the year with a Mars retrograde, then we have a Venus retrograde. Venus retrograde corresponds with Mercury retrograde. We have three Mercury retrogrades in 2025. We have four eclipses. That's pretty normal. But the main things that are happening in 2025 is that we have very big planets, very far away planets, moving into new zodiac signs for the first time in a very long time.

• 1:01:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  And these are called ingresses, an entrance.

• 1:01:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  And ingresses in astrology, if the planet is very far away and it doesn't happen very often, represent new eras, new cultural shifts.

• 1:01:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Big moments that are taking place. And we have a lot of them happening next year.

• 1:01:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  And when we have a lot of ingresses, it means that there's a lot of new chapters that are beginning.

• 1:01:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So that's kind of globally, like 2025, big picture, not just individually for us.

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  No, that's for, this is for everyone.

• 1:01:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's for everyone, yes.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:01:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For some reason, my mind immediately went to like, US government overthrown, aliens takeover. Like, what are all the hugest things?

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Easy, I know.

• 1:01:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, exactly.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Moving to Mars.

• 1:01:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I understand that maybe we don't know if it's good or bad yet.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  I was thinking about this in anticipation of being on the show with you guys. How, what is the ethical way of talking about these ingresses? Because They're so clickbaity.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  They're so clickbaity and we're going to see a lot of astrologers next year really leaning into the fear around it. And I was already accused of fear mongering because I said 2025 is going to be crazy. And literally in the second sentence, I said, neither good nor bad.

• 1:02:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But people stopped before that.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Yes. And it was like fear mongering. How could you say this? I'm like, you didn't even watch three seconds of the video.

• 1:02:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Three seconds more.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Like you can't say that. This is just, that is how I would phrase it. It is crazy. These are really important, significant things. These are crazy. I don't know if they are good or bad and what is good or bad. That is so boring.

• 1:02:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's also individualized to a personal experience.

• 1:02:55Corinne Vien?

  Well, and I guess to your point, saying that's so boring, we can, now we know 2025 will not be boring. That's a great way to put it.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  I do anticipate that astrology is going to have a huge year next year with all of these going on because there's just going to be a lot, there's a lot to talk about. So I want to just mention a few of the things that are happening. Neptune, which is, we had just briefly talked about, which is the planet of illusion and delusion, is going to be changing signs, moving into Aries for the first time since the 1800s.

• 1:03:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  And it's changing signs for the first time since 2011. So this is ending an era for all of us that started in 2011. One of the things that I think is really interesting about that is that that really was the beginning of social media. It was 2011. That's what we attribute to, you know, that was when like Instagram started.

• 1:03:45Corinne Vien?

  Instagram filters, we're taking a picture of our like burger.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  Yes. And it's when we shifted from social networking, Facebook, to social media influencers, shifting our entire lives online rather than as the extension of what our in real life was. And that was a really big transition. So that's very fascinating to me, right? What is going to happen to our social media platforms? What is going to happen to our relationships with influencers, with technology, with the way that we are relating and showing up? With AI. Yes.

• 1:04:21Corinne Vien?

  I know that it's gonna go further, obviously, and deeper than what it is. But there's part of me that just wishes so badly that everything would crash and we can just like go back to a much more simpler.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  To like an 1800s.

• 1:04:32Corinne Vien?

  Let's go back to the 1800s. I'll trade you my eggs for your cucumbers. Let's do that again.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  It sounds like a great barter.

• 1:04:39Corinne Vien?

  It does, right?

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  You just wanna live in a commune.

• 1:04:42Corinne Vien?

  I do.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  Maybe that's for you.

• 1:04:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, unless AI robots take over.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  I do think that AI is going to, there's no stopping it. And I think that it is just going to become more and more part of our experience. Not because I wanted to, but because of the astrology. Yeah. The astrology says, that's it, honey. Like, this is, it really is. How interesting. It cannot be put back into the Pandora box. It has been unleashed. It's unleashed, yeah. Uranus is moving into Gemini next year as well. This is also, it hasn't been in Gemini in 84 years. So this is another very, it's been a very long time since we've seen this energy transit. Wow. It's coming out of Taurus, which it's where it's been for the past seven years.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  And during that time, Uranus in Taurus, I really think, has changed our relationship. I mean, for me, the loudest thing is that it's made the climate crisis very literal, you know? It's, it's, no one is denying. Yeah. And that Uranus is what is shocking, unexpected things, and Taurus has to do with the physical world. So it's been sort of like, oh, and also the economy. And obviously, it's been wild with the economy, right?

• 1:05:56Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, we're just still starting to recover from some of that.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  Yes. You know, it's the economy, it's the land, it's even land back movements, right? It's very Uranus in Taurus and the conversation moving towards those. And when Uranus goes into Gemini, which is very curious, it's very mercurial, it's very fast. It's very interested in things. It's an air sign. I would imagine that there's gonna be major movements around new technologies. Big, big movements around them, which is exciting and also, you know.

• 1:06:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Curious, right? Like, is it gonna be?

• 1:06:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With social media, like, there are a lot of positives to it and then like the way it's connected to us, to the world, but there's also some negatives to it. And I think that's

• 1:06:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Well, I'm trying to think of two, like, connecting it to my personal chart where you were talking about how I'm in the phase of kind of defining who I am career-wise. I feel like the people who were kind of at the precipice of the social media movement really defined themselves in a really great way and set themselves up early. So maybe this is kind of like a hint to us to try to figure out ways to, whatever direction this new technology goes, how do we best utilize it with our career?

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Yes. I mean, I think that if we have learned anything over the years, it's to really experiment and to be willing to experiment. And, and even if it feels cringe and ick and all of the things, like, it's worth taking the risk and just seeing

• 1:07:33Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  what could be.

• 1:07:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Starting a podcast was cringe at first. Like, we go back and listen to episode one and we're like, oh.

• 1:07:40Corinne Vien?

  No, thank you.

• 1:07:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But we stuck with it.

• 1:07:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  I mean, you have to be cringe in order to do anything.

• 1:07:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And a little delusional, too, because there was some delusion with us where we didn't think, we truly were like, oh, this is basically like a diary.

• 1:07:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:53Corinne Vien?

  And we didn't think anyone would listen. And then when we realized people were listening, we're like, oh, God. And we're like, well, why didn't we think people would listen? Like, we're publicly posting it out.

• 1:08:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Putting it out there in the world.

• 1:08:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Corinne Vien?

  So, rocky start, but here we are. We have a bookshelf now.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  With a bookshelf.

• 1:08:09Corinne Vien?

  Look at how far we've come.

• 1:08:11Speaker 01

  So for you guys, whenever we talk about what, so all of those things are going to affect us, right? Like, there's so many things. What does next year look like? It looks like all of your charts being activated across the board in lots of different ways. But I would say that holistically, when we talk about what does a year look like, right? What are the main themes? We're gonna look at the planet Jupiter, because Jupiter spends a year in a zodiac sign, so it really sort of defines what that time period in our life is gonna be.

• 1:08:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting. Okay.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  And it definitely defines and sets culture. Currently, we have Jupiter in Gemini. And as I have been going around and talking about, it's very brat. Jupiter moved into Gemini at the end of May. Literally Charlie XCX's album came out two weeks later.

• 1:08:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  And it was such a shift from Jupiter in Taurus, which was, we had last year and was very Barbie, right? Very sort of traditional, old fashioned femininity.

• 1:09:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  I mean, I was surprised that Barbie did as well as it did because I was like, this is so not edgy. You know, like this is like so vanilla.

• 1:09:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:09:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  And then moving into Jupiter in Gemini, which is so much more in your face and so much more sort of like loud and

• 1:09:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Brat summer.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  Brat summer, right? Jupiter in Gemini. So that was really interesting to see. I've been thinking a lot, okay, if we know that Jupiter sets the zeitgeist, then how could we anticipate it, right? What would be coming next? Next year, we're going to have Jupiter moving into Cancer. That's going to be in June of next year, June 9th. Jupiter goes into Cancer.

• 1:09:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Cancer is very, it's a water sign. It's very intuitive. It's very sensitive. It's very Lana. So I would say that those could be some of the themes that we might see in the broader culture for next year.

• 1:10:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Moving out of the brat summer and maybe into like, I don't know, crying summer.

• 1:10:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I like that.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Teardrop summer.

• 1:10:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sensible.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Lana, Billy.

• 1:10:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Totally. My whole Spotify recommended playlist. Sad girl playlist.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's sad girl.

• 1:10:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. But it also, I mean, it's, it, there is a tenderness to it. There's a rawness of vulnerability. So I think that those will be some of the main themes we see moving into the collective consciousness next year.

• 1:10:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  Is that sort of sensitive edge?

• 1:10:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I like that. I mean, we'll all cry as AI takes our jobs.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  I think that it will be interesting to see, especially with some of these other planets moving into Aries, Neptune moving into Aries and Saturn moving into Aries, which is so not sad girl. It's so warrior. It's so fierce. It's so intense. It's so aggressive.

• 1:10:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  It's going to be an interesting counterbalance. In astrology, we would call it a square. It's an interesting square that's going to be formed to Jupiter.

• 1:11:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, I've always said, and I feel like everyone in this room can agree with it, but there is something so warrior about sensitivity.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:11:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So those do kind of go hand in hand with each other.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  Yes, definitely.

• 1:11:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  So for where are these things going to be activating your chart? So Corinne, it's interesting because Jupiter is actually in your 12th house right now, and it's going to be moving into your first house next year in 2025. And this, again, it's a similarity that you guys have. Saturn has been in your 12th, Jupiter is currently in your 12th. That's a much faster transit, so it hasn't been in there for that long. I would say that this very much defines your pregnancy and early days of motherhood for you. Figuring out like, what does it mean to be home? What does it mean to be, have these new responsibilities? To feel a little isolated, to feel a little internal, to feel like...

• 1:11:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To also have a child with F-pies.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Yes. Leo's with F-pies babies. So cute, Brad Summer.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I mean, very psychological too. But when that moves out, it's going to be moving into your first house. And I would say that coming in June, the anticipation for that, I would say, is very fortunate, very auspicious. I would, I would not be surprised if a new project came through at that time for you that's really meaningful and big. And it's something that is sort of the, all of the no's and all of the time indoors and all of the time sort of internally processing is going to be like, oh yeah, that's why I had to do that, is because this is here now. And then Sabrina, for you, that shift is going to be in your fourth house. So around the same time for you, there's been a lot of focus on a Jupiter level around

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  like, community, who are my friends, who are my people? And then come May into Jupiter moving into Cancer into your fourth house, it's like, there's a feeling of groundedness, of solidity.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  For some reason, I think, I keep thinking about like relationships and marriage and partnership and all of those things around this for you. It's actually not like the traditional way of interpreting it, but I'm also psychic.

• 1:13:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's what's coming to you.

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is what's coming to me. And sort of rooting yourself, grounding yourself and feeling more in alignment with where you're supposed to be. And I think that that's going to feel really cathartic for you.

• 1:13:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That sounds like it will feel cathartic.

• 1:13:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Is there a way to know kind of like what month or what quarter that is sort of coming for Sabrina?

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  For both of you, it's end of May into June.

• 1:13:43Corinne Vien?

  May and June. Okay.

• 1:13:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I like how you're asking that for me because you want to know for you to know when you're going to come to my door with balloons.

• 1:13:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but that's different than what you were saying earlier of Saturn.

• 1:13:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is imminent.

• 1:13:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:58Corinne Vien?

  Is there something like an exercise or a cleansing or some sort of mental ritual that people can do in preparation to move into another calendar year?

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  I am a big, well, I'm a witch. I don't know if I mentioned that. So I'm always thinking of portals and I'm always thinking, I'm always thinking about like, what's a threshold I can move through? And I can help people move through. And I think anything is a portal and a threshold if you want it to be.

• 1:14:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  You know, this calendar, the astrology cycles work with a different calendar. They, a new year starts with Aries in the vernal equinox, which occurs at the end of March. However, each chart has its own calendar that it operates on. According to this, your birthday is mid-March and according to this, your birthday is mid-June. Because that's when your charts reset. So your personal birthday, based on your Gemini rising, your chart actually resets in the middle of June. Your chart actually resets in the middle of March.

• 1:14:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Does that like show up in life in a certain way? Like do people, like would I feel a certain way on that day or that time?

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Yes, I have found that usually, leading up to it, we are going to feel sort of the strongest sense of

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Frustration or concern about, you know, what's coming for me? What's next? What should I? There's sort of this anticipatory energy. And then when the sun crosses your ascendant, which is that really notable gesture that happens in astrology, it's sort of like it's it's a beginning of a new story. It's the beginning of a new cycle.

• 1:15:37Corinne Vien?

  Is there an exact

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  chart's birthday?

• 1:15:38Corinne Vien?

  Date?

• 1:15:39Speaker 01

  Yes, it changes a little bit every year because a chart is 360 degrees and a calendar year is 365 days. So there's a little bit of a variable, but it's always on or around a certain day.

• 1:15:50Corinne Vien?

  Interesting.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  So a cleansing ritual for going into anything?

• 1:15:53Corinne Vien?

  That's what you asked.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  I would say that there's a few different things that you can do, right? Like, it depends on how ritualistic you want to get. One of my favorite rituals is sort of assigning a jar or a vase or any sort of vessel to be what you want to release and keeping that near where you move through often. And on a piece of paper, as something comes into your consciousness that you want to let go of, putting that into the vessel and just sort of allowing that vessel to do the work to release it for you. That's a really good cleansing ritual. You can also do the same thing for manifesting, right? If you want to bring new things into your life, you can assign a jar or a vessel as

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  a place where things brew. So you can write on a piece of paper what you want to bring in. And then and a big part of the point of this is that you're not the one moving every day through like, I need to let go of this. I need to let go of this or I need to bring this in. I need it, I need it. And it's like, actually, I'm going to stop obsessing around it. I'm going to let the universe, I'm going to let the divine forces, I'm going to let God or the angels or whatever it is, take care of it and do the work so that I can keep living my life.

• 1:17:08Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  Because fundamentally, what we want to do, ironically, with all of this prediction, is be present, you know? Be as present as possible or else we are at such a detriment when it comes to our spirituality.

• 1:17:21Corinne Vien?

  I also selfishly love that you just gave that suggestion because not knowing much about rituals. A couple of years ago, I had a New Year's party and I set up a bowl for intention setting with water. And I got this dissolvable paper and had people just like write down whatever they want and stir it into the bowl. And it would disappear. And I was just like, oh, I think that this is a fun little thing to do. And ever since I've like, thought like, oh, I have to do that every year. And I didn't really realize it was an actual ritual.

• 1:17:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it reminds me of our conversation with Theo. They had told us, because Corinne and I call ourselves baby witches because we feel like frauds calling ourselves actual witches. But I think.

• 1:18:03Corinne Vien?

  Because we're getting more comfortable. Imposter syndrome of trusting ourselves and our.

• 1:18:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and we're working our way through it. But I think something like that and a lot of our previous experiences have shown that we have had intuitive witchiness in our whole lives and throughout our whole lives. And now we're actively nurturing that.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I would say that all women are witches.

• 1:18:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  I agree with that.

• 1:18:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  And it's just a matter of figuring out what kind of witch you are. You know, how do you, how does that express through you?

• 1:18:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Maybe all people are witches, you know, like everyone is magical.

• 1:18:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  Everyone has intuition, everyone has their own rhythm.

• 1:18:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're all energy.

• 1:18:44Speaker 01

  We are, and everyone has a heartbeat, right? If you're here and if you are alive, then you are, have your own energy and rhythm and motion and magic that you can work with. And, and I think anything that brings us back to that is the right thing to do.

• 1:19:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that. That's a nice sentiment.

• 1:19:01Corinne Vien?

  Beautiful.

• 1:19:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We are all magic. We are all witches.

• 1:19:04Corinne Vien?

  I feel like that's a great note to end on, too.

• 1:19:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:07Corinne Vien?

  It's very uplifting.

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  Good.

• 1:19:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, thank you so much for doing this and joining us. We, when you went to the bathroom, Corinne and I were like, okay, what else can we have Aliza do charts for?

• 1:19:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, we were like, you have to come on again.

• 1:19:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  I would love to. It would be an honor. Any excuse to come back to Massachusetts and be witchy with you guys.

• 1:19:24Corinne Vien?

  Yes, please.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  With my real non-baby witches, my full adult daddy witches, mommy witches, baby witches.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Grandma witch. Grandma witch. Yes, grandma witch. Uncle witch. We're all uncle witches here. Uncle witch.

• 1:19:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can you tell our listeners where to find you on socials and the world?

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  Yes, I'm all over the world. I'm out there at Aliza Kelly, A-L-I-Z-A-K-E-L-L-Y, everywhere. And then I have my show, Horoscope Weekly, that comes out every Monday. And it's a dream. I love it. It's a great show. And we do lots and lots of very interesting astrology and figure out what each week actually means and how to metabolize and work with the energies. And then my book, It's All Magic, is also out now because it's December.

• 1:20:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you want to hold it so that you can?

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 1:20:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's the shot.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Beautiful. Glamour shot.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  So yes, It's All Magic is out now, so check it out if you want this and more.

• 1:20:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Amazing. Thank you so much.

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:20:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's such a treat.

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  We will. See you on the other side.