Encounters x344 - Hauntings in History’s Darkest Places

History remembers the headlines, but the ghosts remember everything. This week, we’re diving into listener encounters from some of the world's darkest historic places, where lingering spirits, unexplained phenomena, and chilling coincidences make the past feel anything but over. Stories include: A great-grandmother's Ouija board (which was gifted to us!) carries a century of family history, séances, and eerie coincidences surrounding the spirits of loved ones. Stories from two different listeners about the famously haunted Myrtles Plantation, each with ghost photos. A visit to Australia's Quarantine Station brings strange tastes, a debilitating headache, and a massive orb of light witnessed by multiple students. A listener experiences vivid dreams connected to the Holocaust before encountering a full-body apparition who seems to recognize her. A trip to the Tower of London includes a smoky paranormal encounter and a raven who absolutely refuses to let a visitor operate a water fountain without supervision. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:52Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 1:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi.

• 1:54Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 1:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. And we are Ghostesses. That's Corinne.

• 1:59Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina. And you, a week ago, but yesterday in our, in our time of recording, you-

• 2:06Corinne Vien?

  In our timeline.

• 2:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In our timeline, because we're all on different timelines. Hello. You recommended a show.

• 2:13Corinne Vien?

  Did you already?

• 2:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I watched two episodes last night.

• 2:16Corinne Vien?

  But I guess there's only four out in current-

• 2:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Widow's Bay, for people who don't know.

• 2:19Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 2:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I-

• 2:20Corinne Vien?

  Oh, it was a Patreon episode. If you're like, wait, I-

• 2:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was it? We talked about it on Patreon?

• 2:24Corinne Vien?

  It was a Patreon exclusive, or like a subscriber exclusive episode that we talked about Widow's Bay.

• 2:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've recorded so many episodes. I can't remember where we talked about things.

• 2:32Corinne Vien?

  Widow's Bay. I've been seeing it everywhere. Litha had recommended it to me, saying-

• 2:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so good.

• 2:37Corinne Vien?

  That I could watch it with my husband, who's scared of everything, that he would be able to handle it.

• 2:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm shocked.

• 2:41Corinne Vien?

  He tapped out pretty quick. It became just my show.

• 2:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so good. I love it.

• 2:47Corinne Vien?

  And it was filmed in Rockport, Massachusetts.

• 2:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It reminds me a lot of Marblehead. Like, the bar that they're in reminds me so much of Matty's.

• 2:53Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah. Well, did you recognize some of the background? Because I brought you to Rockport like once or twice when you first came and visited.

• 3:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I love Rockport.

• 3:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's such a good show. The episode where he spends the night in the hotel.

• 3:05Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, that's so fun. Isn't it like fun to watch too? Because did you see what I meant when I said, like, that it's not outward and like blatant, all the nods that they're making to horror movies? But like, if you've seen enough, you know exactly like the different tropes or the different scenes that they're referencing in it.

• 3:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:21Corinne Vien?

  Or at least that was my understanding, because I'm like-

• 3:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's scary.

• 3:24Corinne Vien?

  It is scary.

• 3:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a good show. I really enjoy it.

• 3:27Corinne Vien?

  But there's not really that many jump scares. It's not like a jump scare scary.

• 3:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are you kidding? The hotel episode has so many jump scares.

• 3:34Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 3:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The crawl space?

• 3:35Corinne Vien?

  Was that a jump scare? I mean, you knew he was there. Okay. I think maybe my definition of a jump scare is different. Like, my, me for jump scares, like, it wasn't in frame. But yes, there are moments where like you see something. And then that something does something extra creepy that is like your heart is racing. You want to crawl out of your skin. It's so good.

• 3:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm a big fan. I highly recommend.

• 4:00Corinne Vien?

  The premise of it is there's a spooky coastal New England town, and the mayor-

• 4:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like an island.

• 4:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's an island. And the mayor is trying to make it a travel destination. And like, the next Martha's Vineyard.

• 4:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But the town has like a curse.

• 4:13Corinne Vien?

  And it is-

• 4:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's haunted and, yeah.

• 4:15Corinne Vien?

  The curse is, uh-

• 4:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's great.

• 4:18Corinne Vien?

  Awakened.

• 4:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, the fog. It's great. I love it. I, thank you for the recommendation.

• 4:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you're welcome. Well, thank you to the internet and to Litha.

• 4:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 4:26Corinne Vien?

  And all the different clips I've seen.

• 4:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's on Apple TV for people who want to watch. But, um, until we chat about it more next time, we have some great stories to share. And I actually, I have to start, because a couple of weeks ago, maybe months ago now, I can't remember, I was like, I swear, the person who sent us that Ouija board, sent us an email, and-

• 4:46Corinne Vien?

  About the Ouija board?

• 4:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we could, I could not find it. Remember, I spent like the whole episode searching. And I could not find it. And yesterday, when I was prepping for this episode, I put in a search term that you would never imagine would pull up this email. But I found the frickin' email from the listener who sent us this Ouija board in the mail. Okay, so as context, we'll tell you that the theme for this episode, for this encounter, is where we read your stories, is historic places, like kind of places with some heavy, dark history.

• 5:15Corinne Vien?

  Which was inspired by someone's story that they shared on Campfire Stories.

• 5:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  About like the German underground bunkers.

• 5:22Corinne Vien?

  They think we're like, oh, wait, this would be a good theme.

• 5:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 5:25Corinne Vien?

  And then-

• 5:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I was searching WW2, World War II.

• 5:29Corinne Vien?

  WW, WWE.

• 5:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What would?

• 5:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And this email from Isabel came up. And remember when I was trying to search for it? I searched like grandmother Ouija board, great grandmother Ouija board.

• 5:43Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 5:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's literally like the first sentence, "I sent you my great grandmother's Ouija board." But I, I was like, the fact that it came up while searching for this episode means it was meant to be read in this episode.

• 5:54Corinne Vien?

  But also like, what the heck? Why was it hidden like that?

• 5:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. Anyway.

• 5:57Corinne Vien?

  Gmail? Gmail, you can find things. If it were Outlook, it would be another story. I have real beef with Outlook. I actually shit on Outlook like the last time I-

• 6:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When you haven't had to use it for so long, are you still?

• 6:07Corinne Vien?

  But I had to use it for one or two jobs, and I will never, never forget.

• 6:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You hate it. Okay. Well, as context, a couple of months ago, Corinne and I went to the P.O. box, and you, we were opening things in the studio. And as you're opening one package, you go, oh, no.

• 6:24Corinne Vien?

  Well, because it was like one of those thin, flat envelopes, and I reach in, and I just feel this like hard, thin-

• 6:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wood.

• 6:31Corinne Vien?

  Wood, like an eighth of an inch thick. And I'm like, what else could fit this description?

• 6:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's a Ouija board.

• 6:38Corinne Vien?

  Fuck, Ouija board. Someone sent us an Ouija board.

• 6:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it just came with a, like a short little thing saying like, this was my grandmother's Ouija board. She used it all the time. That was it. And we were like, we need more.

• 6:48Corinne Vien?

  They said, I haven't gotten any bad vibes from it.

• 6:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:51Corinne Vien?

  But I don't want to keep it.

• 6:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 6:52Corinne Vien?

  So we were like, hmm.

• 6:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But we didn't have any other information, so now we finally have more. Isabel sent us an email.

• 6:59Corinne Vien?

  And also, as you can see, it has been heavily used.

• 7:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very heavily used. We did not get the plan chat with it. We just got the board.

• 7:06Corinne Vien?

  And we have never used it.

• 7:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Isabel says, "Hello, Ghostesses. I sent you my great grandmother's Ouija board. I'm sorry, Corinne, but I've been meaning to write in."

• 7:14Corinne Vien?

  No, don't apologize. This is actually, like, for some reason, I also got good vibes from it. It was like the one haunted item someone has sent us, that I was like, this can stay in my house, and we'll put it on display.

• 7:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's beautiful.

• 7:24Corinne Vien?

  Which feels weird to say. Most of the stuff goes home. Almost everything goes back with Sabrina.

• 7:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, she wrote, "I have been meaning to write in for about seven months now, but haven't found myself able to write whenever I sat down, until today, when I finally had a strong urge to write in while listening to some older episodes. On top of this sudden inspiration, I was listening to your episode, Boston, The Common, Part One. And guess what my great grandmother's name was? Mary Dyer, which I guess we must have covered someone named Mary Dyer in that episode.

• 7:53Corinne Vien?

  Was she not one of the murder victims of the Strangler?

• 7:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, she's the one who's the statue of her. She was like the Quaker-

• 8:00Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who was hanged for like defying laws.

• 8:04Corinne Vien?

  In the Common from the hanging tree. That's right. That's right.

• 8:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Okay, amazing. Already history here. Ties. Isabel wrote, "I don't know much about her Ouija board, as I only learned about it shortly before my great uncle passed this past April. My great uncle told me that Mary, his mother, used the board and had seances to try to connect with soldiers lost in World War I and World War II. Based on this, I'm guessing the board was acquired in the early 20th century."

• 8:30Corinne Vien?

  I just got chills.

• 8:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that so cool?

• 8:33Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 8:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  "I personally did not feel that the board has anything attached to it, and none of the relatives that have lived with the board have had any paranormal stories for me to share about it. Another coincidence about the board and my great grandmother was that your episode 287, which was called Paranormal Lineage and Inherited Haunted Objects, came out on my birthday. And while listening, I thought for sure you had just opened my package with the Ouija board, only to realize you opened it months later. But here's a story about how your podcast haunted me." Your podcast is without a doubt haunted. We agree. We don't just say it for shits and gigs.

• 9:07Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 9:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But she said, "It's not always a scary thing. The day of my great uncle's funeral, the one who I inherited that Ouija board from, I was sitting in my kitchen, eating and listening to Two Girls, One Ghost, when a lamp, given to me by said great uncle, suddenly turned on. And now this lamp is touch activated, but it was all the way across the room from me, and it has never done that before, and has not done it since that day. Later that day, we were at the gravesite, which is a family plot where my great grandmother, grandmother, and great aunt have their ashes all buried there as well. My dad brought each of them their favorite flowers. And right after everyone said goodbye, and my great uncle's ashes were in the ground and covered, somehow, all of these flowers all simultaneously bloomed.

• 9:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  None of these were the same type of flowers, and every single flower on each of the bouquets were in full bloom. When my dad had put them there, they were not in full bloom."

• 9:59Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 10:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that wild?

• 10:01Corinne Vien?

  That's, it's like freaky, but beautiful.

• 10:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Beautiful. Yeah. "We saw this as them all welcoming my great uncle to the other side, and I really do believe your podcast helps thin the veil sometimes. I feel lucky, as I do believe my loved ones who have passed protect me from the scarier things on the other side. When I was a child, whenever someone close to my family passed, I would feel as though someone would sit on the end of my bed, watching me for weeks after. My mom's best friend will also leave change for me to find from time to time, and say hi around especially hard or important times in life. I found a new 10 cents outside my apartment door every day for two weeks, around the time of my wedding, in the same exact spot each time."

• 10:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's great.

• 10:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 10:41Corinne Vien?

  You got a whole like dollar and a half.

• 10:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dollar and forty cents, yeah.

• 10:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I firmly believe that all of my family have protected me from the Hinsdale House part one episode because I truly had a sudden extreme nausea while listening to that entire episode. And when I tried to listen the second time, it happened again, so I gave up. But anyway, love and light, Isabel.

• 11:01Corinne Vien?

  Isabel, thank you so much for sharing your family's story and also Ouija board. It's an incredible artifact.

• 11:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the coolest gift we've ever received.

• 11:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 11:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you.

• 11:09Corinne Vien?

  It's awesome. And now knowing too, that like, most likely for over a hundred years, or close to a hundred years.

• 11:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:16Corinne Vien?

  People have been playing it.

• 11:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And using it to contact soldiers who died in World War I and World War II, like, that is the height of the spiritualist movement.

• 11:24Corinne Vien?

  Right. But also kind of proof that how you play and who you play with matters.

• 11:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:31Corinne Vien?

  When creating or avoiding creating a haunted object.

• 11:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would love to.

• 11:37Corinne Vien?

  Because a lot of people say like, Ouija boards are not scary, but like, it's about how you use them, it's about like, the way you close it out and the intention and everything. And she's saying that no one in her family has ever.

• 11:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bad vibes.

• 11:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 11:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nope.

• 11:49Corinne Vien?

  Or had hauntings from it.

• 11:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mary knew what she was doing.

• 11:51Corinne Vien?

  Mary, Mary, on the wall. You're the fairest of them all.

• 11:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you, Mary.

• 11:57Corinne Vien?

  We love you, Mary.

• 11:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You can haunt us.

• 12:00Corinne Vien?

  Okay, well, I have a story from our listener Cara. Hello, my ghostly gals. I've been listening to you for a few years now. I work from home and your voices are basically my coworkers during my day, where my kiddos and my husband are off at work and school. You keep me company and my workday more fun. I actually have a ton of stories myself. I grew up in a very haunted house, but I'll send those another time. In the meantime, I wanted to share something pretty creepy from the coworker of mine, who is just as ghostly minded as I am.

• 12:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh, love it.

• 12:29Corinne Vien?

  This past summer, he and his family stayed at Myrtle's Plantation in Louisiana. He.

• 12:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's got some dark history.

• 12:36Corinne Vien?

  Very. Actually, I have two stories from there.

• 12:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 12:39Corinne Vien?

  He, his wife, and their two sons spent the night in the carriage house. And also Myrtle's Plantation is where the infamous ghost photo was captured, which we did cover Myrtle's Plantation on a previous episode. And shared that.

• 12:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the one in the window, right?

• 12:53Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm, the little girl.

• 12:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The little girl.

• 12:55Corinne Vien?

  And she's wearing like a white bonnet or something like that. He, his wife, and their two sons spent the night in the carriage house. One day, while they were chatting about creepy experiences, he sent me some pictures from their trip. In one of the photos, I asked him, is that a statue there to the right of the tree? He replied, no, nothing's there. But that immediately caught my attention. I asked, were there any other people there? He said, there were no living beings on the property at that time. I asked again if he'd seen anything. He said he didn't see anything at the time. However, he did say that they felt like they were, there were definitely entities around when they were staying there. A couple of weeks later, I asked if he would mind sharing the picture with me and if I shared it with you all. And he enthusiastically said, yes.

• 13:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yay.

• 13:38Corinne Vien?

  I've honestly never seen a picture of something that appears this clearly. With love, Cara. Which is so crazy that he was like, no, no one's there, I didn't see anything. And there's, it looks like a full on person walking.

• 13:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh. Whoa.

• 13:52Corinne Vien?

  And like a tall person too, like, I bet they were like 6'3", 6'4".

• 13:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it bad that my brain goes to, it's like beneath a tree?

• 14:01Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 14:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it not actually that tall, but is it a hanging tree?

• 14:05Corinne Vien?

  Oh, well, I mean, given the history of this plantation, it's not a far off guess.

• 14:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ugh. Well, then also even just looking up, trying to find the picture of the little girl, there's so many pictures that I'm like, I can't remember which is the famous one, because there's.

• 14:20Corinne Vien?

  Oh, there are a lot.

• 14:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's a group of women who like took a selfie, and then there's a picture of a woman in the window, but then there's this like black and white photo with a little girl standing by like the pillars.

• 14:32Corinne Vien?

  Yes, okay.

• 14:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's so many.

• 14:34Corinne Vien?

  I guess there are. So I think I was combining two. There's the woman, the woman in the window.

• 14:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:40Corinne Vien?

  And then the little girl standing by the pillars, I think are the most famous two from Myrtle's Plantation.

• 14:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. That's wild to be like, yeah, I don't think that anyone was there, I didn't see anyone. But we felt presences everywhere.

• 14:52Corinne Vien?

  And also, it kind of sounds like he didn't even notice it in the photo at first.

• 14:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 14:56Corinne Vien?

  Like Cara had to point it out.

• 14:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, wow, okay. Well, I feel like we could do a whole encounters episode just from the plantations in the south.

• 15:04Corinne Vien?

  Absolutely.

• 15:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so tragic.

• 15:06Corinne Vien?

  It's a really horrible, horrible history.

• 15:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But obviously, they're so haunted because of such heavy history.

• 15:12Corinne Vien?

  Well, and also like, all of the places we're going to talk about are dark and heavy and atrocious.

• 15:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:17Corinne Vien?

  And that is kind of what the theme is. It's like where horrific acts happened to people, created this energy, created this stain, and there's a lot of energy and feelings and vibrations and outward ghost photos captured.

• 15:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 15:32Corinne Vien?

  Here.

• 15:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, my next one, I picked, I tried to like go global with this. And I wandered into Australia. Just took a little trip.

• 15:42Corinne Vien?

  Down under.

• 15:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Actually, that's the trip I wanted to do next year.

• 15:45Corinne Vien?

  That's what you were saying, yeah. A winter trip to their summer.

• 15:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm. Get out of this frickin' cold on the east coast.

• 15:53Speaker 00

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• 17:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so this is from our listener, Mica or Mika, I'm not sure how to pronounce it. Mica, I'm gonna say Mica. It's called Haunted Stories from Sydney, Australia, The Orb at the Quarantine Station.

• 17:36Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 17:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi there, ghouls. I hope this email finds you well. My name is Mica and I'm a recent fan of your podcast, and my sister, who is a longtime listener and mega fan of creepy stories, introduced me to your show.

• 17:47Corinne Vien?

  Shout out to your sister.

• 17:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:49Corinne Vien?

  Whatever her name is, because we don't.

• 17:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't know. From a young age, my sister and I have had a strong connection to the supernatural and been drawn to ghoulish and Gothic themes.

• 17:59Corinne Vien?

  I love describing something as ghoulish.

• 18:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ghoulish.

• 18:02Corinne Vien?

  Like, what are you into? Ghoulish.

• 18:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is very like, old timey.

• 18:05Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 18:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This whole episode is ghoulish.

• 18:08Corinne Vien?

  That's why I'm gonna start describing our podcast when people ask me what it's about. I'm gonna say, it's a ghoulish podcast.

• 18:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's bring back the word ghoulish. Let's use it more often. Petition.

• 18:17Corinne Vien?

  I appreciate it.

• 18:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To use it more. Our childhood was a bit unconventional, as we grew up partially on a property that had an old colonial cemetery from the 1700s on it. But this never phased us. We often played freely among the gravestones, and for us, the supernatural had never been something to fear. However, we have had experiences that have truly scared us and left us with an eerie feeling that still lingers to this day. Notably, both of these experiences occurred separately but at the same location. So we live in Australia, specifically in a coastal region of Sydney, New South Wales. And we've encountered some intriguing experiences at one of the most haunted places in the area, the Quarantine Station in Manly, New South Wales.

• 18:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So as context, the Quarantine Station was used during the early settlement of Sydney from the 1800s to the 1980s to quarantine newly arriving migrants. Prisoners.

• 19:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Prisoners, but also kind of a genius move just to have people who are traveling at the time that you're not really sure like what diseases or like what things could be brought over. Be like, let's just do a polite quarantine.

• 19:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know how polite it would be, but many people passed through the station, and sadly, some of them never made it out, especially during outbreaks of smallpox and Spanish flu. So during those times, a lot of people who entered this facility did die in severe pain.

• 19:38Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's terrible.

• 19:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For additional context, the early settlers couldn't have chosen a more fitting spot for the station, because prior to settlement, this area was believed to be inhabited by numerous nature spirits. The particular.

• 19:53Corinne Vien?

  Nature spirits kind of scare me, because I feel like.

• 19:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like ancient energy.

• 19:57Corinne Vien?

  Stories are all over the place with what people experience, and I, they're unpredictable.

• 20:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very. This particular peninsula is known as North Head. So not only is this place haunted by the spirits of those who died in the Quarantine Station, but also likely haunted by ancient land spirits. Unfortunately, due to the history, we don't know much about the traditional owners or their stories. Our knowledge is limited to what is known post-settlement. But anyway, that's a lot of context, but I think important to share about the story about my sister's visit to this place when she was in primary school at the young age of 11 years old. She was on a school trip, going on a tour with her entire class. And as a part of their history class, they included some spooky elements that added to the experience. But during the tour, they visited the shower block, where nurses would watch the patients and force them to shower with harsh chemicals.

• 20:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They also toured the morgue and the sterilization area, as the hospital was situated on top of a hill, which is said to be haunted by a scary nurse. Finally, the class sat down to eat their lunch on the bridge walkway next to the hospital. My sister was so excited to pull out her lunch, but she had packed herself. A great lunch, with biscuits topped with sprinkles, a real treat, since she rarely got to have sweets. However, when she took a bite, she was overwhelmed by the taste of ash, like her mouth was thick and dry, leaving her feeling unwell. The entire day, all she could smell and taste was ash with an unexpected pungent flavor of onion. Afterwards, they continued the tour, and the guide led them around the corner to these massive structures. The tour guide asked the class, what do you think these structures were used for?

• 21:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Instinctively, my sister blurted out in front of everyone, that's where they burn the bodies. It turned out she was correct. Those structures were in fact used to cremate bodies of those who had died from illnesses in earlier days. But at 11 years old, my sister had no prior of that information. And so in retrospect, we think maybe she had some clairvoyant experience. I don't know.

• 21:52Corinne Vien?

  She was tasting the ash.

• 21:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, which is also-

• 21:54Corinne Vien?

  And suddenly like channeling this information.

• 21:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How devastating. You wanted some sweet biscuits and you-

• 21:57Corinne Vien?

  Right?

• 21:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thick ash?

• 21:59Corinne Vien?

  Which like, her talking about the biscuits with the sprinkles reminded me, and we need all of our Australian listeners to chime in here. I saw a video the other day that said one of their like, school treats and one of the childhood treats that everyone loves, appeared to me like someone's just taking a slice of white bread and shoving some rainbow sprinkles on it.

• 22:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Huh.

• 22:21Corinne Vien?

  So please chime in and-

• 22:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would like to know too.

• 22:23Corinne Vien?

  Either explain what it is, or explain yourself, because that just doesn't-

• 22:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey, maybe we just gotta try it.

• 22:31Corinne Vien?

  Maybe. That's what people say about Vegemite.

• 22:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've never tried it.

• 22:35Corinne Vien?

  Not good.

• 22:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but people say that about our mayo. Mayo's kind of icky.

• 22:39Corinne Vien?

  Our mayo is gross? Where's the good stuff?

• 22:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I'm just saying like mayo in general, because that's not like a-

• 22:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I got excited.

• 22:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What other mayo?

• 22:46Corinne Vien?

  There's excellent mayo somewhere. I'm down to try all the mayos of the world.

• 22:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so Micah says, "Years later, I visited the quarantine station for a high school trip. I would have been 15 at the time, and I had spent a fair amount of time at this place. It's a staple for all the schools in the area. So this was likely my second or third school visit. Safe to say, I was pretty familiar with the stories and the ghosts that supposedly haunt the place. However, I had never seen anything unusual, and even though I considered myself intuitive, I wasn't scared or, and I didn't feel anything particularly strange. Just the usual creepiness one might feel in a place like this.

• 23:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 23:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My class and I had nearly reached the end of the tour, but that entire day felt off. I can't explain why, but the moment we arrived at North Head and the quarantine station, I developed a serious headache. Which wasn't totally unusual for me, because I often get migraines, but this one was out of this world. We toured the cemetery that sat on the cliff of the peninsula overlooking the Sydney Harbor. And besides the fact that we were in an actual cemetery, that view is incredible. In the cemetery, all I could feel was this relentless headache. It continued through the tour until we reached the bottom of the quarantine station. We entered the room dubbed the Bag Sterilization Room, which is pretty self-explanatory, but

• 24:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  was interestingly located right next to the Acid Shower Block and the Spanish Flu Room. The Spanish Flu Room was a small, poorly ventilated space where patients were placed numerous times a day. In this room, nurses and doctors would pump herbs and other chemicals into this sauna-like room in an attempt to purify those affected with the disease. Which as you can imagine, must have been pretty torturous for already sick people, especially in Australia where temperatures can soar up to 40 degrees Celsius or 104 degrees Fahrenheit in peak summer. Unsurprisingly, this treatment did very little to combat the spread of the disease.

• 24:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 24:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And these rooms, the Spanish Flu Room and showers, are considered to be the most haunted places in this entire station. As I was standing between the two in the bag sterilization room and the Spanish Flu Room, our class had to do some sort of presentation. I can't remember the details, to be honest, because I wasn't paying attention due to the intense migraine that was numbing my mind. But it was getting worse and worse in this stuffy room. But here's where it gets strange. The headache I had been experiencing all day, one that felt like it was literally numbing my brain, suddenly stopped as my group got up to present. I remember standing there, looking in front of me, standing next to my classmate, and all of a sudden, completely clear-headed. And that is when I noticed something forming in the corner of my eye. At first, I thought I was going crazy or about to faint, because a small orb of light

• 25:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  began to grow. It continued to expand until it filled my entire vision, and this light was so bright and white, it was practically blinding. Honestly, every time I tried to tell the story and I mentioned this light, it's hard, because it's unlike anything a human could ever recreate. It took up my entire field of vision. It was enormous and brilliant. And as quickly as it appeared, it zipped past my face out through the door. When I regained my eyesight after witnessing it, I looked around, and my entire class was unfazed. They had seen nothing. This light had engulfed the entire room to me. How had no one else seen it?

• 25:53Corinne Vien?

  Well, and also it'd be one thing if like, that happened and then you fainted. And then that's like, okay, well, that was on you. But like, for the headache to go away, experience this, and then still be exactly the way you are after, to the point that you can start looking around and being like, no one else just saw that?

• 26:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Well, and also, I thought, because it's very similar to like an aura migraine, where like, the aura kind of takes over, but it's, it's like, there was an entity almost inside of her, causing the headache. And then it just left her, and she saw it leave, and her headache disappeared. So I thought for sure I was losing my mind or suffering from dehydration, but then I instinctively whispered to my classmate next to me. I asked, "Did you see that?" And she said, "Yep." Her face was in shock when I looked at her. Her skin nearly translucent, as if she had seen an actual ghost, which in fact, I think we both had. When we left that room, I went around one by one to the girls in my class and asked if they had also seen the light. It turned out, my classmate and I were not the only ones who had seen it.

• 26:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All the girls who witnessed it were positioned in the same direction and same angle as my classmate and I. And so yeah, we all had seen it, but no one addressed it. This experience was so strange-

• 26:59Corinne Vien?

  That everyone appeared to be so normal after too. Like, you're not catching someone else's eye, being like-

• 27:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or no one's like, gasping out loud.

• 27:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I feel like if that happened to me, there's no way I'm not like, what the fuck, like, hitting whoever's next to me.

• 27:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 27:13Corinne Vien?

  Not just standing there quietly listening, eyes ahead.

• 27:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But yeah, that's my story. I found it very interesting. It has so much history in that place.

• 27:22Corinne Vien?

  Just a light possession.

• 27:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you ever visit, maybe my sister and I can give you a tour of the quarantine station. We both love your podcast so much. Love you guys, I'll see you on the other side.

• 27:30Corinne Vien?

  The place that you just got possessed in?

• 27:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I, I mean, it was just a headache. At least it didn't like, make you do things that you didn't want to do.

• 27:39Corinne Vien?

  True. Or I do wonder, if I try to add some like, symbolism to the experience too. I'm curious if the headache was basically like, the spirit trying to represent how bad they felt.

• 27:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 27:51Corinne Vien?

  And then perhaps they did die in that room, and it was like, and that's when-

• 27:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 27:55Corinne Vien?

  They were released, and the pain was gone.

• 27:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so sad.

• 27:59Corinne Vien?

  But I feel like this happens a lot, like at historic places, where there's some sort of like messaging, or like the spirits are giving visitors the feelings that they went through.

• 28:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's true. I get it. If you're like, stuck there in this place where you died. And also, it's so sad, like, these people are traveling, probably like, such long distances to get to Australia. Like, Australia's not easy to get to today, let alone back then. And you don't see outside of a quarantine station, ever? You just die there?

• 28:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 28:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's very sad. But also, no surprise that it's haunted.

• 28:32Corinne Vien?

  Right. Okay, well, I have a story called Ghost Story Dreams and the Holocaust.

• 28:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, another really disturbing part of our history.

• 28:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and this is from Sakara. "I just started listening to your podcast, and I'm starting from old to new, and I just got to episode six, where you're talking about reincarnation, and there's someone that has dreams about the Holocaust. I'll start with the fact that even when I was little, I felt a draw to the Holocaust. I was also very sensitive to energies and ghostly activity, but that will be important later. I had a high reading level, so in the first grade, I was reading Night by Ellie Weasel." Oh my god! A Night by Ellie Weasel? But I feel like that is not-

• 29:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know what that book is.

• 29:14Corinne Vien?

  A first grade book.

• 29:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Night?

• 29:16Corinne Vien?

  It's a Holocaust book, isn't it? I swear I had to read it.

• 29:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it's a memoir. Oh, wow. Okay, yeah, it's definitely, yep.

• 29:22Corinne Vien?

  Like, it's a high school read.

• 29:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like, I don't, I never read it, but yeah.

• 29:27Corinne Vien?

  Or like, middle school.

• 29:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When you're young, you're not, you probably aren't reading this.

• 29:30Corinne Vien?

  This was a first grade read.

• 29:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 29:32Corinne Vien?

  For Sakara.

• 29:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was reading Coraline, which also a little questionable, but-

• 29:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. She should have been reading The Magic Treehouse.

• 29:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:41Corinne Vien?

  But she's reading a memoir about the Holocaust instead. I was also reading so many other books about the Holocaust. I never had dreams until I was about 10. We lived in Florida at the time, and we had gone to Tampa for my birthday trip. While we were there, we went to a Holocaust museum. It was very big, but I remember the sheer panic I felt at some of the items and things that were in there, which I didn't really think much of at the time, but now I do. I had my first dream a week or so later. In my dream, I was in the Netherlands somewhere, and I was on the train, and someone that was apparently my best friend had died next to me.

• 30:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, it's so sad.

• 30:18Corinne Vien?

  That was when I woke up crying, and my dreams started being in chronological order. I got to the next place. I was separated into one of two lines. Then I was sent with a bunch of other women to one side of a concentration camp. The last dream I have in this story is getting ordered to stand up out of our bunks early one morning. And slowly, my hearing goes out and I feel a sharp pain spreading through my body and I feel very scared. I wake myself up every time, but every time I have that dream, I feel the sting and the pain of death. Fast forward about two years later and I'm living in Ohio. I forget about this trip to Tampa for the most part. There's an Air Force museum near my house, so I would go quite a bit. In between the World War I and the World War II sections, there was a small hallway of

• 31:02Corinne Vien?

  Holocaust exhibits. One day, my dad and I go to a concert that they had there and we left early since it was a school night for me. There was a canine memorial on the hallway that ran through the entire museum. I found that a little bit boring, so I just kept walking down the hall that had the Holocaust information. My dad's looking at the canine memorial, I'm wandering further down the hallway, and I observe the exhibits and then I felt an absolute chill. It dropped easily 15 degrees. My heart dropped. And then I heard a voice behind me and I couldn't bring myself to turn around yet, but it said, "Go away, Saqqara. You don't belong here anymore."

• 31:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 31:39Corinne Vien?

  Bro, what? So I turned around and there, in front of me, is a full body apparition.

• 31:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, the combination, having both.

• 31:48Corinne Vien?

  And it was one of the girls from my dreams. One of the girls that was in the same barracks as me. I started calmly walking towards my dad. When she said something in what I now recognize to be Dutch, I don't know what any of this means, or if I'm just really sensitive to paranormal activity or something, but I'm 18 now, I'm almost fluent in Dutch, but no one believes me when I tell them this story.

• 32:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We believe you.

• 32:13Corinne Vien?

  And then she writes, "But I figured you would."

• 32:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely, you figured correctly.

• 32:17Corinne Vien?

  From Saqqara.

• 32:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn. Well, now I'm just curious if this girl who she knew in a past life is a guardian angel in this life, you know?

• 32:27Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 32:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's so hard to imagine.

• 32:29Corinne Vien?

  I mean, I feel like you have to be so hyper-connected to the other souls who experience something like that with you.

• 32:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 32:37Corinne Vien?

  That if they haven't been reincarnated or like something, like I feel like it is almost like a watchful thing where it's like-

• 32:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Watch each other, yeah, protect one another.

• 32:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 32:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Gosh. Oh my gosh, this just reminds me of the movie, "Life is Beautiful." It-

• 32:49Corinne Vien?

  What is that one?

• 32:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wrecked me.

• 32:51Corinne Vien?

  Life is beautiful.

• 32:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, it's such an incredible movie, but it is, it's just devastating. It's all about the Holocaust.

• 33:01Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 33:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's such a good movie.

• 33:04Corinne Vien?

  I can't handle Holocaust movies. I've seen a couple and I just-

• 33:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, they're so hard to watch. What I am very excited for-

• 33:11Corinne Vien?

  I did Schindler's List and The Boy in the Striped Pajamas and that was-

• 33:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Difficult.

• 33:15Corinne Vien?

  I was like-

• 33:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Horrible.

• 33:17Corinne Vien?

  That's it.

• 33:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:19Corinne Vien?

  I know what happened. I know what people experienced. I can't do this.

• 33:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know what I am excited for is the Fannings are gonna be in, what's that movie?

• 33:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh, this is their first movie together.

• 33:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's a World War II, The Nightingale.

• 33:28Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I'm excited about that. I can do those types of movies. I mean, I watch them all, but they wreck me. Even that one's gonna wreck me.

• 33:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 33:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I love historical.

• 33:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I prefer historical fiction.

• 33:42Corinne Vien?

  But, yeah.

• 33:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:45Corinne Vien?

  And this is like, you know, we're far enough away removed that it's almost been 100 years. Isn't that crazy?

• 33:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is wild.

• 33:51Corinne Vien?

  It's been like 80 some years.

• 33:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Also sad, because like the survivors of it, we don't have many of them left.

• 33:57Corinne Vien?

  Mm-mm.

• 33:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because it's been so long.

• 33:59Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I also, I feel that way about like 9/11 movies and stories.

• 34:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can't, yeah, I can't, yeah.

• 34:04Corinne Vien?

  I don't want to hear the voicemail. I don't want to hear the letters that the kids are reading.

• 34:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even just the thought of the voicemail makes me want to sob.

• 34:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I'm gonna start crying right now, too.

• 34:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, let's talk about another past life story.

• 34:14Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 34:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're gonna go back even further.

• 34:16Corinne Vien?

  Woo.

• 34:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Actually, we're gonna go back to the same time. Ah, no, World War I, to further. You're crying, friend's crying.

• 34:22Corinne Vien?

  I'm fine.

• 34:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Look to the light. Okay. This is from our listener Christine and it is called, "Past Life of One of My Creepy Kids from World War I." Hello, I hope this finds you well, as well as everyone else in your lives. I'm writing this after listening to Encounters 281, where you talk about proof of past lives. Um, I shared during Campfire Stories last April about my creepy daughter Audrey predicting her little brother's birth date. Well, her little brother is just as creepy. He said something during his bath when he was probably somewhere between four and six years old. That really solidified creepy kid for me.

• 35:01Corinne Vien?

  Why does that always happen at bath and bedtime?

• 35:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 35:04Corinne Vien?

  I feel like all the stories are just like, you're getting ready, it's like right when you're about to part from your child and then they say, they drop like the creepiest thing and you're like, what? And then you're just left to sit there.

• 35:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it's like peacefully go to sleep, you're just-

• 35:16Corinne Vien?

  The sound machine's going, you're just sitting in the dark next to their bed and you're like, what the fuck just happened?

• 35:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so my little man started talking about how he was a soldier and died from being shot. He's four. I'm like, what? I asked a lot of questions, but again, I don't remember many of the questions or much more. I don't think he said much more. But I asked him very recently if he remembered this conversation and he said, I don't know, he was probably lying, but here's the thing. We named my son after one of my Irish great-grandfathers, a variation of his surname being my son's first name and my great-grandpa's first name being my son's middle name. About two years ago, I was told by my mother that two of my great-grandfather's nephews, one, the son of my great-grandfather's brother, who had moved to Scotland, and the other being the son of my great-grandfather's sister-

• 36:05Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so two great uncles who are, don't have the same dad.

• 36:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Correct.

• 36:10Corinne Vien?

  Got it.

• 36:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They had moved to New York City. They both fought in France during World War I. And they had actually met each other in France and figured out they were first cousins. Sadly, both of them died during World War I. After my mom told me this, I did some research and found both of their records. The one who was from Scotland, who had the same surname as my great-grandpa, whose name was Bernard, his death is listed as died of wounds.

• 36:35Corinne Vien?

  Okay. So we don't know if he was shot, if he-

• 36:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:40Corinne Vien?

  If there was a grenade, if he slipped and-

• 36:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 36:43Corinne Vien?

  -broke his leg and died of sepsis. We fell out of a helicopter.

• 36:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:48Corinne Vien?

  Wounds.

• 36:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But here's the thing, is that his name is what I had considered naming my son, but didn't.

• 36:55Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 36:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, it leaves me wondering if this cousin of mine came back as my son in some capacity. Thanks for listening, see you on the other side, Christine.

• 37:03Corinne Vien?

  I feel like totally, because there's so many, I feel like within the family, there's a lot of reincarnation-

• 37:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 37:10Corinne Vien?

  -that can happen.

• 37:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Someone told me that I was reincarnated as a friend of my great-grandfathers who they fought together in one of the wars together and that my name was Sam. And people call me Sam all the time.

• 37:23Corinne Vien?

  I was just about to say.

• 37:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They call me Samantha or Sam, but yeah, I've even had therapists call me Sam.

• 37:28Corinne Vien?

  Which is so weird, because like I don't think you look like a Sam.

• 37:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No. I guess like S.A., but like it's not that similar.

• 37:34Corinne Vien?

  But a three-letter name versus Sabrina?

• 37:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I definitely think I, I definitely think I was a man in a past life. I think I have some feminine past life too, but I, like, there's, there's some like male energy running through my bones-

• 37:48Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 37:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  -that I feel.

• 37:50Corinne Vien?

  Was this a past life reading you had done or just someone?

• 37:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, this was one of our listeners. I think we talked about her a while back. She had like sent me like all these voice notes and was talking about my grandmother, my great-grandmother, and like giving me information that was so spot-on and accurate.

• 38:04Corinne Vien?

  Can you do that for me?

• 38:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 38:07Corinne Vien?

  Please. Although, I don't know, I feel like maybe I'm more blocked off. I feel like you get a lot of messages where people are picking up on you and your energy.

• 38:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But here's the thing, I think that's also, Elisa has said this when she does like my chart, our chart reading, she's like, you give off this energy where people project onto you and think they're picking up from your energy, but it's like them projecting onto you because of who, like the energy you put out.

• 38:32Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 38:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So people think, which adds like air of mystique to me, I think, but you think I'm thinking one thing.

• 38:39Corinne Vien?

  Are you reading Sabrina or are you reading yourself?

• 38:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A mirror.

• 38:42Corinne Vien?

  Oh. That's a form of therapy, just stand there, let people just word vomit, see what comes out.

• 38:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stare into my eyes, I dare you.

• 38:51Corinne Vien?

  Dang. That is really interesting, though. I am curi-, I mean, obviously your son doesn't remember anything now, because he's like, I don't know, I must have been lying.

• 38:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I was lying. Yeah, that's how I feel about my brother whenever we talk about him being a creepy kid. He's like, I don't remember, it wasn't me, wasn't true. It's like, hello?

• 39:07Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 39:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just because you don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.

• 39:10Corinne Vien?

  Come on, Graham.

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• 40:43Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have another Myrtles Plantation email and it comes with a photo again because Myrtles Plantation paranormal activity caught on camera constantly.

• 40:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just fist pumped. That's how excited I was.

• 40:57Corinne Vien?

  Jim Tan Laundry.

• 41:00Corinne Vien?

  Hi Sabrina and Corinne. My name is Lily and I've had many paranormal experiences, but these two are my favorite. So much of my family is from Louisiana and they are very big believers. My Aunt Sherry and I are both very sensitive to the spirit world, as is my mom, and so the three of us love to talk and seek out the paranormal. Aunt Sherry brought us to Myrtles Plantation and it is by far the most haunted place I have ever been.

• 41:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yup.

• 41:24Corinne Vien?

  Myrtles has thick history, so I won't walk through all of it here, or we would be here forever.

• 41:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What episode did we do it on? Let's see. Myrtles.

• 41:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 41:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Plantation, two girls, one ghost. Let's see how well we labeled this episode.

• 41:39Corinne Vien?

  Back when we considered nothing about searchability.

• 41:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm gonna say it's not coming up. Um, we're gonna have to search our actual Excel.

• 41:47Corinne Vien?

  I wonder if we didn't do a full Myrtles episode, if it was just one of those like ghosts caught on camera and we shared some pictures from it.

• 41:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it should come up because it would, we should have put it in the description, but we didn't.

• 41:59Corinne Vien?

  Should have.

• 42:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There are a lot of things we should have done and we didn't do.

• 42:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay. Well, we're gonna get brief history right here. Okay, a little recap on the history and tragedies that occurred within the property of Myrtles. The house was built in seventeen seventy-seven by a man named General Bradford. The house was later owned by the Woodruff family. Clark Woodruff and his wife Sarah Matilda resided there with their three children, Cornelia, James, and Octavia. God, I love names like that. In eighteen twenty-three, Sarah Matilda died of yellow fever in the house. A year, we must have done the history because I feel like I know all this.

• 42:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 42:34Corinne Vien?

  I don't, I don't know. Maybe we'll redo it. A year after her death, their son James died of yellow fever. And two months after his death, Clark and Sarah Matilda's oldest daughter Cornelia met the same fate as her brother and mother. Clark's mother-in-law Elizabeth lived with Clark and Octavia to help care for Clark's last living child. Elizabeth also died in the house. This marks four deaths so far. The home was sold to Ruffin Gray Sterling and his wife Mary Catherine after Clark Woodruff moved in with Octavia and her husband in his old age. The Sterling family was a very wealthy family and they started a renovation on the house. Of the nine Sterling children, only four made it into adulthood.

• 43:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very sad, but also very common of that time.

• 43:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Four years after the renovation, Ruffin Gray Sterling died of tuberculosis. The same year that Ruffin died, their oldest son Louis also lost his life. Ruffin Sterling's wife Mary Cobb later died in the home. So the death count is high, but for dying in the house, the death count is seven, or like on the property.

• 43:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, this is also of like the family members. We're not, we're not even talking about.

• 43:37Corinne Vien?

  Getting into the slavery.

• 43:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Slavery and everything that's going on there.

• 43:40Corinne Vien?

  Right. This is just owners of the plantation. Arguably the least important people.

• 43:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, agreed.

• 43:45Corinne Vien?

  In the story. Before the death of Mary Cobb, she hired William Winter, the husband of her late daughter Sarah. The home was then passed down to William and Sarah after Mary died. They had six children and their daughter Kate died at the age of three from typhoid. The Winter family later went bankrupt and after the Civil War, William was shot dead on the porch by an unknown man on horseback.

• 44:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 44:05Corinne Vien?

  William climbed up the seventeenth step and died in his wife's arms. William's oldest son Harry drowned in the Mississippi River. So of the recorded deaths of the family members on the property, the death toll is ten.

• 44:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a lot.

• 44:20Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, here's what you've been waiting for, my stories. The first one is a photo we took. It was our first time at Myrtles and my mom wanted all of us cousins to sit along a small fountain. All parents are there just taking photos, so six phones in total, an abundance of angles. And this is the only photo that these little faces showed themselves in. Zoom in on the door behind the two girls to the right. Okay.

• 44:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Zooming in. Is the second photo.

• 44:45Corinne Vien?

  Zoom in enough.

• 44:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. Is the second photo the one zoomed in?

• 44:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 44:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 44:49Corinne Vien?

  So we'll just look at the zoomed in one so that we can all see.

• 44:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, okay.

• 44:53Corinne Vien?

  It very clearly looks like a face, doesn't it?

• 44:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, smiling.

• 44:57Corinne Vien?

  Like I know Paridolia is the, Dolly, I can never say that word.

• 45:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dolia. Yeah, I know. Is it Paridoya or Paridolia?

• 45:03Corinne Vien?

  I think it's Paridolia.

• 45:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. It's the, I, it's this thing that our brains are trained to see pattern recognition and faces. Yeah. We see faces when maybe they aren't actually there.

• 45:14Corinne Vien?

  You know what it looks like to me? It looks like a marionette doll.

• 45:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting. Yeah, it kind of looks like there, there's something in the window. So it's like behind the object that's in the window. And then you can see like the nose, the cheekbones, the eyes.

• 45:28Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it does look like it's smiling.

• 45:30Corinne Vien?

  It does. But I was thinking like a little marionette doll or like a little clown doll or something because there's like six inches above what looks like the head. There's just a white ball. I was thinking a pom-pom on top of the hat.

• 45:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See, I was seeing that that is something from inside the house, but it could be. Yeah, I don't know.

• 45:47Corinne Vien?

  We don't know.

• 45:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 45:51Corinne Vien?

  Okay, the second story I have is about my second trip to Myrtles. This was July of twenty twenty-five. I was wearing a skirt that hits my ankles and it has an elastic waistband. And this is kind of an important detail, I swear. But I had become friends with the ghost tour guide, shout out Charles.

• 46:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cool.

• 46:07Corinne Vien?

  And there were so many people on the tour with us. We were all in a room that used to hold seances. And Charles asked if I wanted to hold a doll that belonged to Kate, the little girl who died of typhoid in the house. I said yes, and he handed me this small porcelain doll. I remember running my fingers over her little face and smoothing the fabric of her dress. As everyone started wandering to the next room, I asked Charles if I could linger behind a little bit. It was a beautiful mirror. I wanted to take a picture of it, but I couldn't get a photo without a stranger in the background. He said that was fine. And before I knew it, I was alone in the room where the seances were held. I snap a photo of the mirror and as I turn around, my skirt gets yanked.

• 46:45Corinne Vien?

  I scream, I run to my mom and everyone is staring at me and I just word vomited saying, something pulled my skirt over and over, something pulled my skirt. Looking back, I think that maybe this was Kate. I'd been holding her doll and as someone who works in an after-school program with four-year-olds, I felt like this was probably just a kid trying to get my attention.

• 47:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does feel very like childish, like yanking.

• 47:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like can I have it back?

• 47:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 47:09Corinne Vien?

  Give me my doll. See you on the other side, Lily.

• 47:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, this mirror is stunning.

• 47:16Corinne Vien?

  It is.

• 47:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I understand wanting to get a picture of it and especially that crown molding and like the pink and yeah, it's beautiful. Wow.

• 47:23Corinne Vien?

  Okay, well now I'm curious what the porcelain doll looked like and if you can go back Lily to the picture in the window and if it looks anything like the doll.

• 47:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause now you're like jumping to the doll, not Kate.

• 47:35Corinne Vien?

  Well, no, I'm like, is Kate just like holding up the doll out the window? Like I think of like, I mean, I know Noah's like two, not four, but like Shrek, puppy dog. Everyone's staring out the window. He holds like the animals by their hands and has them like when he does crayons and stuff, like he doesn't color. Shrek's hand is holding the crayon and then he's, I keep saying Shrek, it's the Grinch.

• 48:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're green.

• 48:01Corinne Vien?

  They're green. But like he, he makes every, all of his animals do the things.

• 48:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's very cute.

• 48:06Corinne Vien?

  So I'm like, I feel like that's like she could be playing like now they're outside, now they're doing this.

• 48:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 48:11Corinne Vien?

  I know, I'm curious.

• 48:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's lots of ghosts there. It could be so many different people. Yeah. Um, okay, I have one to end the regular feed episode on and then Corinne, you have a bonus story that we'll read on Patreon.

• 48:22Corinne Vien?

  I do.

• 48:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it wouldn't be a history episode without me trying to find a story from the Tower of London. It was actually the first thing that I searched when I was preparing for this episode.

• 48:33Corinne Vien?

  That makes sense.

• 48:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause I love the Tower of London. I love the history there. And this is paranormal, but it's funny.

• 48:40Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 48:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. It's paranormal adjacent. It was just a delightful story that I wanted to read personally and so you all get to read it here too.

• 48:47Corinne Vien?

  This is the, this is the episode to read it in. And a good way to end the episode for those who are not on Patreon.

• 48:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. It's from our listener Catrona and it is called Bitten by a Raven at the Tower of London. Is that not the most like Tower of London story?

• 49:02Corinne Vien?

  That is.

• 49:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello ghostesses. Thank you for all the fun episodes and stories. I was just listening to the Tower of London two-parter, which was amazing. And I thought I would share a couple of stories from my visit when I was barely a teenager and my experience at the Imperial War Museum, which used to be part of Bedlam Asylum. So my aunt and uncle and their family lived in Surrey just outside of London when I was a kid. And so we had several trips down there when we saw the sights. The tower is amazing and awe-inspiring even as a kid. As you suggested in the episode, you can truly just feel the energy. My only real experience of the tower was smelling smoke in one of the rooms in which Sir Walter Ra- Railey, Raleigh, apparently haunts. And my grandfather told me he was an infamous smoker.

• 49:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The only other experience I had there was not so much ghostly as more of just a fun story to tell. So at the time, the tower had these water fountains around and about, and as I went to get a drink, there was a raven taking interest in what I was doing. Like it literally hopped up onto the fountain basin as I was taking a drink from the fountain. And then it started pecking at the spout. So I turned the water back on for him so he could drink it. He was still interested in the water after it stopped, so I went to go turn it on again. At which point he jabbed my arm sharply with his beak and climbed up onto the spout where he had reached the button himself and then proceeded to get his own drink. So he never needed me at all.

• 50:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I swear the nearby bee beater fully laughed at me. Isn't that amazing?

• 50:27Corinne Vien?

  They're so freaking smart.

• 50:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're so smart.

• 50:29Corinne Vien?

  It's unbelievable. I actually was thinking the other day, I was like, are, are the neighborhood crows here trying to befriend me? Because I keep finding pieces of

• 50:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're giving you gifts?

• 50:39Corinne Vien?

  Near my sidewalk and around my yard, I continue to find pieces of glass. But it's like an old, it's almost like sea glass, like it's old, it's not sharp.

• 50:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am so envious.

• 50:53Corinne Vien?

  And it will be somewhere that like I just was like, I just did a bunch of planting in the front. And then suddenly there's like a piece of glass sitting there and I keep finding them. I keep throwing them away because like

• 51:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do your cameras pick anything up?

• 51:05Corinne Vien?

  No, because it doesn't pick up like animals or anything, which I am upset.

• 51:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Change the setting.

• 51:09Corinne Vien?

  I've tried because there's a bunch of deer that are eating my hostas and I want to look at the deer.

• 51:14Corinne Vien?

  I just don't have another explanation for why I keep getting

• 51:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the, it's the crows.

• 51:18Corinne Vien?

  Kind of shiny old glass.

• 51:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I need to stop thinking about it because I'm so envious. Like I

• 51:24Corinne Vien?

  I need to give back.

• 51:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's one of those things where you're not actively trying and I actively try and then they're just like, no thanks.

• 51:32Corinne Vien?

  Well, I did once dump like a gallon of peanuts around trying to befriend them last year.

• 51:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, yeah.

• 51:37Corinne Vien?

  But it was a one time dump.

• 51:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, maybe they really like your plants that you're planting.

• 51:40Corinne Vien?

  Maybe they do.

• 51:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, okay.

• 51:43Corinne Vien?

  Maybe their favorite color is the same as Noah's, purple.

• 51:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Purple.

• 51:46Corinne Vien?

  Purple.

• 51:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Katrona wrote that at the time, it really did sting, but now I'm realizing how hilarious it is and how intelligent these birds are.

• 51:54Corinne Vien?

  They really are.

• 51:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They so are. Okay. Last story is, I'm not sure if it was the same trip or another one, but we went to the Imperial War Museum. And while there, I felt nauseous as soon as we went in, like it felt like I was being closed in on. I brushed it off, but as we went through the trench exhibit, it got worse and worse and I felt claustrophobic. Like there was wind rushing in my ears. I got snatches of voices and the like. My mom took me to the loos and hopes to try to ease my feeling. And it seemed like it had, but as soon as we went back upstairs to the main floor, I was hit by, well, now I know what a hurricane feels like, but it feels similar. In a spectacularly embarrassing situation, I promptly puked all over the floor in the main lobby of the museum.

• 52:35Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 52:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And basically fell over. It wasn't until I was retelling the story to my current boyfriend that my mom goes, oh, I should have thought of it, but didn't realize how spiritually sensitive you were at the time. But that building used to be part of Bedlam Asylum. So maybe all that psychic damage you were sensing. I just got gobsmacked. But yeah, that does make a lot of sense. We since moved to Florida a few years later, but my experiences have not stopped. See you on the other side, Katrona.

• 53:00Corinne Vien?

  Wow. I mean, all the UK is so haunted.

• 53:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So haunted. And you got bit by a raven at the Tower of London. Like, how many people could say that? Not many, so.

• 53:10Corinne Vien?

  Is that how you turn into a witch? The origin story?

• 53:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bite me.

• 53:15Corinne Vien?

  Spider-Man, you got bit by a spider. Why can't you get bit by a

• 53:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A raven.

• 53:20Corinne Vien?

  A magical raven.

• 53:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it.

• 53:22Corinne Vien?

  That raven will never forget. If you ever see that raven again, I bet it will bite you again.

• 53:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I

• 53:26Corinne Vien?

  It'll be like, remember me?

• 53:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Recently have been really like called to adopt a pigeon. Like, I really think

• 53:34Corinne Vien?

  You should.

• 53:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It needs to happen. I don't know how practical it is.

• 53:39Corinne Vien?

  Sleepy pigeon when we were in Boston and I literally was like, oh, I wish people still kept them as pets. Like it's so cruel what we did to pigeons.

• 53:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it's been my like TikTok algorithm, so I feel like people are

• 53:49Corinne Vien?

  Oh, really?

• 53:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like I'm getting a lot of people and I'm like

• 53:52Corinne Vien?

  Like adopting street pigeons?

• 53:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  From the universe. Yeah, some people, there was one who found like a wounded baby pigeon, took it in. And now it won't leave. Like it's, it's their pet now. And then another person who took in like a wounded adult pigeon and it's like BFF, so.

• 54:10Corinne Vien?

  Oh, well, you should.

• 54:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would love to.

• 54:13Corinne Vien?

  Except Lea loves to kill birds.

• 54:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She only, she did kill one bird, um, which was also very shocking, but the way that, but had the bird got into our home was very shocking too. But she's only killed one bird. It's not a good track record. She's encountered one bird and she killed it.

• 54:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 54:32Corinne Vien?

  But I would be down, I'd be down to be a pigeon keeper with you.

• 54:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like I really just wanted to sit on my shoulder as we record the podcast. How fun would that be?

• 54:41Corinne Vien?

  I'm serious.

• 54:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, me too. Well, we could get a crow. We're close to crows and they're giving you gifts.

• 54:47Corinne Vien?

  The crows are giving me gifts because they're hanging out at my trees and then when I walk out, they're like

• 54:52Corinne Vien?

  And they look up and I, yeah.

• 54:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm gonna start bringing gifts for your crows and then slowly we'll bring the crow inside.

• 54:58Corinne Vien?

  Beautiful.

• 54:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it. The crowing.

• 55:01Corinne Vien?

  You're getting kicked out. This is the crow's seat now. High five. You down for it?

• 55:08Corinne Vien?

  That would be a dream.

• 55:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it could happen.

• 55:10Corinne Vien?

  Pigeons and chickens and

• 55:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And ghosts.

• 55:13Corinne Vien?

  Ghosts.

• 55:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's our podcast.

• 55:15Corinne Vien?

  That is, that's our brand.

• 55:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, thank you all.

• 55:19Corinne Vien?

  Being into, what was the word we said we were gonna?

• 55:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ghoulish things.

• 55:23Corinne Vien?

  That's, that's on ghoulish things.

• 55:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Corin already forgot her favorite word.

• 55:27Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I barely remember my name. So sorry.

• 55:32Corinne Vien?

  The crows are desperately trying to get my attention. I'm like, who am I? Where am I going?

• 55:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Well, we have one more story available for you on Patreon about dark historic places. Do you want to tease people what it's about?

• 55:42Corinne Vien?

  Reincarnation story from the Holocaust.

• 55:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh, another one. Okay. So join us over there on Patreon. It's available for our Only Phantoms. But otherwise we'll be back every week with more stories. We're not going anywhere, so we'll see you then. Um, thank you to everyone for joining. You can join us on Patreon for the bonus story and all the other bonuses that we do. Episodes one week early and ad free, plus a bonus episode every month, plus Cambrai Stories where you can join us live and share your stories with us. Book club, witch class, so much more. Um, rate and review us on Apple, wherever you listen to your podcasts and you can watch us on YouTube.

• 56:15Corinne Vien?

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• 56:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you.

• 56:20Corinne Vien?

  And we will see you on the other side.

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