Encounters x342 - Don't Go In the Water | Ghost Ships, Lake Legends & Haunted Shores

We’re diving into haunted waters this week with listener stories exploring eerie lakes, ghostly maritime encounters, and the strange pull of places where water and the supernatural seem to meet. Grab your life jacket, trust your instincts, and maybe think twice before wandering too close to the water after dark. Stories include: Near a remote lake in Bosnia, a family hears an unearthly scream in the night, only to discover a trail of blood possibly connected to the legendary Drekavac. An immersive Titanic exhibit takes a chilling turn when a mysterious man in period clothing vanishes and icy whispers seem to follow from beyond the grave. A four day lakeside haunting escalates into a possession that delivers a life saving warning years before disaster strikes. Aboard the Belle of Louisville steamship, one deceased crew member is still fighting for his life. Watch the Belle of Louisville’s calliope play ‘Golden’ here. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello.

• 1:53Corinne Vien?

  Good morning.

• 1:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  M-O-U-R-N.

• 1:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Morn.

• 2:00Corinne Vien?

  The dead, and we discuss them.

• 2:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's two girls, one ghost.

• 2:04Corinne Vien?

  Two girls, one ghost.

• 2:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Emmy, are your ghost sisters? That's Corinne.

• 2:07Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina. Why do I feel like we're forgetting something?

• 2:10Corinne Vien?

  I don't know.

• 2:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you feel that way?

• 2:12Corinne Vien?

  Because we said good morning, and normally we say hi.

• 2:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I don't know. Maybe just because we're just starting and it's Monday and I don't know.

• 2:20Corinne Vien?

  It feels like it's been a long time since we've recorded, even though it's been three days.

• 2:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we ran into each other in Boston.

• 2:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, that is the craziest thing.

• 2:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I sent Corinne a text because I was at the gym with my friend Madison, and I knew that you were going to be in Boston with Brian for your baby moon.

• 2:37Corinne Vien?

  We did the baby moon in Boston.

• 2:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so I texted Corinne and I was like, oh, like if you're free, if you want to come stop by, we're going to be in Seaport. And you're like, oh, I'll be in Beacon Hill all day. And then after the gym, Madison and I were walking around, stopping to Lush, and who's there?

• 2:52Corinne Vien?

  It was crazy. It was literally crazy because it's like lush of all places, too.

• 2:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of all places.

• 2:57Corinne Vien?

  You didn't have anything to go in.

• 2:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 3:00Corinne Vien?

  Brian and I just went because we happened to pass by it. And I was like, oh, let's get Noah a bath bomb. Like, we're just like getting him like little things along the way. So our stop in was only going to be 90 seconds long.

• 3:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, wild.

• 3:11Corinne Vien?

  Yours was too, because Madison had something she was specifically looking for to grab and go.

• 3:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 3:16Corinne Vien?

  I just hear Brian go, oh, my God, hey! And I turn around and you're just there like, what? That was crazy.

• 3:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was small world.

• 3:25Corinne Vien?

  And it was also funny because I was telling Brian ahead of our trip, I was like, what are the chances we like see someone we know? I was like, I feel like it's really low because it's such a busy Boston weekend and so many of our people that we used to do stuff with, like, moved to the burbs. It's like, I wonder if we'll recognize anyone. The one person we ran into.

• 3:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's me!

• 3:44Corinne Vien?

  Sabrina! That was great.

• 3:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was so small world.

• 3:47Corinne Vien?

  It was.

• 3:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very funny.

• 3:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then I joined a soccer league. That was the news that I told you there.

• 3:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I was very nervous because, so I'm trying to be more active and also it's like warm out. I want to meet more people, too.

• 4:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's a good way to.

• 4:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I haven't played soccer since like high school.

• 4:03Corinne Vien?

  Do you remember the rules?

• 4:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Enough, yeah. And it's a league on a smaller field, so it's not like full regulations. But I got like, I was a free agent and I was randomly assigned to a team. And I got like a notification, the first game was on Sunday. I got a notification on Friday. It was like, your team schedule is ready to view. And it said, team name, The Office Dogs. And I just immediately went to finance bros.

• 4:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's going to be a bunch of like 24-year-olds.

• 4:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Woof woof, bro.

• 4:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you're like, I don't know how this is going to go. But it wasn't that way.

• 4:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it was not that way at all. I was very pleasantly surprised. I enjoyed the team. We were not terrible. We did lose. But the team we played against were like all D1 soccer players.

• 4:46Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 4:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they all knew each other. We were all strangers, just met for the very first time. And for that, we played pretty well.

• 4:51Corinne Vien?

  Oh, so this was like the first day that everyone was, oh, okay.

• 4:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 4:54Corinne Vien?

  For some reason, I thought you were like joining a group that already existed.

• 4:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, that's what I thought, too.

• 4:59Corinne Vien?

  Hmm, okay.

• 5:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I guess, but I guess there was one person who had started the team with a coworker. It was a guy and a girl. The girl picked the name, and then she slipped her disk and she couldn't even, she's no longer in the team.

• 5:12Corinne Vien?

  No, aww. She'd do it to be ironic.

• 5:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 5:16Corinne Vien?

  Didn't I tell you that? Because you told me the name. I said, what do you bet? Like, it's two people that created the name.

• 5:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you were.

• 5:22Corinne Vien?

  And the rest is just like, it's going to be Majpajpaj people.

• 5:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was Majpajpaj people. I will say I had a psychic moment. So I was picking out my cleats because I had to buy new cleats, which is. And I usually like to have like colorful cleats. That's, that was like a thing that I did in high school, but I was like, okay, I'm older now. I'm more sophisticated. I'm a lady now. But I was also.

• 5:44Corinne Vien?

  You need white cleats or black cleats?

• 5:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I did. I got white cleats, but I was, I was like, I don't want it like too bright because I have this feeling that our uniforms are going to be like an obnoxious, like gross yellow. And I was like, that's probably not true, but like, that's just like what I'm envisioning. Then I'm walking to the game, and I was like, why was I picturing yellow? And why can't I get yellow out of my head? Sure enough, our jerseys are the most atrocious gross yellow.

• 6:10Corinne Vien?

  Now I want you to have neon pink cleats to just like be a highlighter.

• 6:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I had a psychic moment. I knew the color.

• 6:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that is weird. I feel like some of your psychic moments comes with, come with clothes.

• 6:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm that so raven of fashion.

• 6:24Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you knew that guy was going to say something about your shirt.

• 6:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's true. Anyway, we're not here to talk about soccer, but we're here to talk about.

• 6:32Corinne Vien?

  Yo ho. The sea.

• 6:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Pirate's life for me.

• 6:40Corinne Vien?

  It's water. It's oceans. It's sea. It's hauntings in one of the scariest places that I feel existed in the world. I am almost more scared of the ski, the ski, the sea, than the idea of just like being in open space.

• 6:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because we know more about space than we do about the sea.

• 6:56Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm. And it feels like space is just like, I picture if I got lost in space, then I'm just floating. And it's like, what are the chances that debris is going to hit me? I'm going to die immediately. It's going to be me just like floating and suffocating. The sea can fricking kill you in so many different ways.

• 7:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:14Corinne Vien?

  It's honestly horrifying.

• 7:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is.

• 7:16Corinne Vien?

  And for that, I go knee deep, and then I turn around. But for this episode, we go above.

• 7:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We go deep.

• 7:23Corinne Vien?

  And down below.

• 7:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're going deep. But I also did lakes. Like, we did bodies of water.

• 7:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah, it was bodies. I keep saying the sea. I'm not even sure if I chose completely sea themed.

• 7:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because the chances of our, of our listeners being out at sea getting haunted were pretty slim, but.

• 7:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I think I have a lake one, too.

• 7:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I have a really horrifying one to start us with.

• 7:44Corinne Vien?

  Okay. What a lovely way to like be in summer, like, oh, I just want to go float in the water. And we're like, really? It could kill you.

• 7:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and there might be some creatures by the lake that want to haunt you. This actually came in her inbox like two days ago. It's from our listener, Leila, and it's called Bosnian SW, flush pedestrian.

• 8:07Corinne Vien?

  Why did it never cross my mind that they could enter water or lurk around it?

• 8:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or be in Bosnia.

• 8:14Corinne Vien?

  Or be in Bosnia.

• 8:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're about to find it all out. Okay. Hello, girls. I've been listening to your podcast for about three months, and I want to share my story. My name is Leila, and I'm actually from a small country located in South Europe called Bosnia. It's a really beautiful country with lots of rivers and mountains. And we have one of the oldest forests in the EU called Perucia. I might be saying that wrong, or Perisucia. Perisuya? I don't know. I, Peru Cica. P-E-R-U.

• 8:42Corinne Vien?

  You found six different ways to pronounce.

• 8:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I definitely mispronounced like three of them.

• 8:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this forest is based around a river, Deana, and Lake Perukak. Peru.

• 8:55Corinne Vien?

  Perukak.

• 8:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yak.

• 8:59Corinne Vien?

  I'm sorry. Guys, if you could just hyperlink a pronunciation.

• 9:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:04Corinne Vien?

  Guide to your emails. If you can.

• 9:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Our editor, Jamie, should just like listen to the pronunciation and do a voiceover.

• 9:12Corinne Vien?

  That was wrong.

• 9:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My mouth, but it's Jamie's voice.

• 9:16Corinne Vien?

  It's dubbed over. It's like you keep trying to pronounce it. It's like 30 extra seconds long.

• 9:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But we're by a lake, by one of the oldest forests in the EU. In Bosnia. My grandparents were from a small village near the lake, which I used to visit all the time when I was little. First, you do need to know that the area has a really sad reputation. There was a genocide that happened in 1995, and even before that, that area was a really spooky place. Like, we're talking about miles and miles of forests, tunnels, underground rivers, etc.

• 9:49Corinne Vien?

  Underground rivers. Ooh, why did it give me a chill?

• 9:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My granny used to tell me all kinds of stories about weird beings and weird stuff that was happening to her and her family and a lot of people who lived in the area. I was really into all of that, but I never experienced anything until one night of 2015. It was my mom's birthday, mid-July. We were sitting inside, my mom, my aunt, my grandfather, my grandma, and my two cousins. Since we have two houses divided by only 15 meters of space, we decided to sleep in the second house. We were preparing to leave when we heard two loud bangs. We thought, oh, it's probably just hunters. Basically, we didn't think anything of it. About 10 minutes passed when we decided to get our stuff. It's me, my grandma, and my mom, because we're gonna go sleep in that second house,

• 10:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  when all of a sudden, we heard a loud, blood-curdling scream that couldn't have been less than a mile away.

• 10:43Corinne Vien?

  I feel like every time I see a haunting or hear a haunting that has a blood-curdling scream, I've been conditioned by skeptics to be like, it's a mountain lion, it's a bobcat.

• 10:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's not where I go at all.

• 10:57Corinne Vien?

  Well, that's a first thought, because I feel like that's what I've been told constantly. And then

• 11:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't like you skeptics.

• 11:03Corinne Vien?

  The true me comes forward.

• 11:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The true you.

• 11:05Corinne Vien?

  And I'm like, oh, my god, what the fuck?

• 11:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Paranormal believer you. Yeah.

• 11:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 11:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even if it's a mountain lion, that's a horrifying sound to hear.

• 11:13Corinne Vien?

  You better run. Or actually, I'm not, no, you better make yourself big. That's what you're supposed to do to survive a mountain lion.

• 11:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is that?

• 11:19Corinne Vien?

  You do not run.

• 11:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 11:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and if there's two of you.

• 11:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is that a bear, too?

• 11:23Corinne Vien?

  The other person's, it depends on what bear it is. Black bears, you're big, you're challenging, you stand your ground, you fight.

• 11:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Grizzly bear, you play dead.

• 11:31Corinne Vien?

  Polar bear?

• 11:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You are dead.

• 11:33Corinne Vien?

  You are dead.

• 11:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No matter what, you die.

• 11:35Corinne Vien?

  Sayonara.

• 11:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why were you in Alaska?

• 11:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so it's about a mile away, this scream. My grandma just looked at me and my mom and slowly walked to the house without increasing her speed. As we're walking to the house, this thing is still screaming, and it is getting closer and louder. I ran inside with my mom, and we were just looking at my grandma like, what the fuck, girl? Meanwhile, she went right to the door, locked it, and proceeded to go to her bedroom. My mom was like, what was that? And my grandma just said, we should lie down and don't leave the house until morning.

• 12:08Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so they're still in the house? Because in my mind, they're like on the porch or something, and

• 12:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, they walked outside to the other house and then locked the door. And grandma's like, just go to sleep, ignore it. It's still screaming.

• 12:19Corinne Vien?

  I was thinking that they were still outside, like, okay, just lay down.

• 12:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 12:22Corinne Vien?

  To be prey?

• 12:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This thing continued to scream, and it got closer to our houses. We had to sit there and listen as it passed our houses and went into the forest beneath our houses. Until sometime later, we didn't hear it anymore. God, that's so freaky. The next morning, I woke up to my mom and grandma talking in the living area, and when I came in, they just stopped talking. I started asking questions, and they ignored me. So I got dressed, and I was gonna go over to the other house. When I opened the main door, I saw my grandpa with a bucket washing a trail of blood that this thing had left overnight. My mom tried to tell me that it was probably just a dog or something, but based on the stories, I know. I know exactly what that was.

• 13:10Corinne Vien?

  I mean, it might have been a dog's blood that was getting dragged and trailed and this thing was walking off with, but I don't know, the blood-curdling scream.

• 13:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For like hours? Moving through the woods, past our house, into the forest? I know exactly what it was. America has flush pedestrians, or I'm gonna say it once, skinwalkers. We have something that has many names, but the name we call it is drkavak. There are many names for it, but here's the Google explanation. A drkavak, meaning the screamer or the crier from the Slavic word drkati, is a malevolent, shape-shifting creature from South Slavic and Balkan folklore. This was not my only encounter with the thing. There are also stories about gigantic snakes, souls of people that died in the Balkan War, ghosts, fairies, paranormal encounters with probably demons

• 14:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and all kinds of things. But yeah, I think that's what I experienced, and I think that's what my grandma and the people of the town have been experiencing for years. Thank you for reading. I love you guys. See you on the other side.

• 14:15Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 14:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then she said, forgot to mention, it didn't sound like a fox, or dog, or wolf, or anything else that I've ever heard, but it was a mix of a baby crying and something undefined, like feral, but not a wild animal.

• 14:29Corinne Vien?

  Hmm, okay, yeah, because it's supernatural. There's something stalking the woods in that area.

• 14:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, and the way that grandma responded, being like, let's lock the doors.

• 14:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do not leave the house until morning.

• 14:39Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 14:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we will not talk about this.

• 14:41Corinne Vien?

  I am curious if the drkavak, sorry.

• 14:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Drkavak.

• 14:46Corinne Vien?

  Drkavak. If there are reports that it does have like blood following it or blood is associated with it? Because if not, that makes me think that there was some sort of kill, and it was dragging something or someone.

• 15:02Corinne Vien?

  Because why else would there be a blood trail? Like, I'm just thinking of our, of the American version, and there is not a blood trail.

• 15:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There is a blood trail connection. It often mutilates sheep and livestock in the regions. And they often find mauled carcasses and a visible gruesome blood trail leading off into the dark.

• 15:22Corinne Vien?

  Oh, god, that's so messed up.

• 15:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's like literally with this entity. That is a quality that goes with it.

• 15:31Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so yeah, you know, the perk of this experience is that you know exactly what you experienced.

• 15:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's right by a lake, and that's why I read it.

• 15:40Corinne Vien?

  And it's regional to you.

• 15:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Terrifying.

• 15:43Corinne Vien?

  Which is pretty cool.

• 15:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, scary. Stay inside, lock the doors. Do what grandma says, trust your grandma.

• 15:50Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have a submission from Gary, who we've read an email from Gary before.

• 15:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Recently, yeah.

• 15:56Corinne Vien?

  Gary has sent us some incredible submissions. I was perusing Gary's entries the other day, and I was like, most haunted friend.

• 16:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For sure.

• 16:05Corinne Vien?

  Up there.

• 16:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I really appreciated Gary took the time to write like 20 emails. The subject lines are so straightforward, we know what we're getting.

• 16:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 16:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I think, I don't know, Gary, did you spend like two days and just like, I'm gonna write to my girls, my girls?

• 16:18Corinne Vien?

  I think Gary could start his own podcast, potentially a book.

• 16:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  About so many of our listeners.

• 16:24Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 16:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, we'll hand you the keys. Here's the castle.

• 16:28Corinne Vien?

  We encourage it.

• 16:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:29Corinne Vien?

  Okay, Gary's story submission is called woke, a Titanic encounter.

• 16:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, where's Danielle from National Park After Dark?

• 16:39Corinne Vien?

  Right, I think of her immediately now.

• 16:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She is Titanic to me.

• 16:42Corinne Vien?

  She, yeah, she is. Not all things that take your breath away are necessarily warm and welcoming. Every now and then, I am blatantly reminded of how I must have been born as some kind of strong magnet, and not just any magnet, but one that specifically attracts all that's bizarre and paranormal and spiritual and ghostly, as well as creepy and crawly and shadowy and things that go bump in the night. Just recently, I was once again reminded of this condition, or whatever you want to call it. Another example of drawing in the dark and unseen, and then once again being hit smack in the face with the cruel, otherworldly visions and vibrations of the past, happened while I was attending a business conference in Kansas City, Missouri.

• 17:25Corinne Vien?

  This happened recently, February 2026.

• 17:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So recent.

• 17:30Corinne Vien?

  Just a couple of months ago.

• 17:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 17:32Corinne Vien?

  I had the opportunity to pop in and make a brief visit to a nearby venue, which was offering up a very unique and historically accurate Titanic disaster, fully immersive exhibit adventure.

• 17:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, does that mean like they like recreated the crash?

• 17:46Corinne Vien?

  That's what it sounds like.

• 17:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Huh.

• 17:49Corinne Vien?

  You're harnessed to something, and you experience the drop.

• 17:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or do you like get to go on the ship and like pretend you're fancy and like dine, and then you experience the crash?

• 17:56Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my god. Not only were there countless photos, videos, artifacts, and other paraphernalia from this doomed and cursed steamship available to gaze upon, but there was also a very large room where, thanks to spectacular special effects and an ominous mid-ocean atmosphere, made you feel like you were actually sitting right there, bobbing in a lifeboat alongside the ill-fated Titanic.

• 18:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 18:21Corinne Vien?

  And then experiencing firsthand what it might have felt like in those final moments. Another optional experience for a nominal fee, it gave one the opportunity to wear a VR or virtual reality headset, allowing you to feel like you were actually able to walk aboard the Titanic just before and during the time of the iceberg hitting and the Titanic sinking. It was truly awesome. Walking along both above and below deck and seeing such things as passengers' living quarters, the passageways, the dining room, the majestic carved oak staircase, for example, it really did make you feel as if you were actually right there. And lastly, you're submerged. As if sitting in a submarine to watch the Titanic's final moments,

• 19:03Corinne Vien?

  it plunges and ultimately hits the frigid, barren sea bottom.

• 19:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 19:08Corinne Vien?

  All of this was historically accurate and completely fascinating to me. And to think of how many poor, unfortunate souls perished that night and who were at any given moment either lying warm in their beds, enjoying an exquisite meal in the dining room, or maybe just laughing and enjoying their time aboard, and then desperately treading in icy cold water that would take their breath away and rendering their limbs non-functional. It's just so sad. There were also some examples of some crude, early cork-filled buoyancy life vests that were used, which were surely saturated with the lingering fright and stress of all of those who had to use them. After having truly enjoyed this immersive experience, and just after exiting the exhibit, I had to use the restroom, which was located down

• 19:51Corinne Vien?

  in the basement. There was nobody else around, so I made my way to the back of this old bathroom where the urinals stood. While standing there, I suddenly caught a glimpse in my peripheral vision of someone quietly slipping through the entrance. Not wanting to look like some kind of creep or be too obvious, I just sort of side-eyed this individual as best I could. Something about him just seemed strange, very off. And then I noticed that this rather tall, well-dressed gentleman was wearing period clothing. He seemed to be wearing a vintage-looking suit, tweed perhaps, a long woolen overcoat, and atop his head stood a tall, black top hat.

• 20:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which at first, like, you wouldn't think too much of because you're at, like, this Titanic exhibit. Maybe there are people who dress up.

• 20:34Corinne Vien?

  Exactly. And Gary literally says right away, I thought to myself, damn, how the hell did I miss this guy, the period actor? He must have been part of the Titanic exhibit. He looked so authentic. And then, as I darted my eyes back and forth, not wanting to be noticed, or to have him think that I was just staring at him, he proceeded to pull a gold pocket watch out from under his jacket, which was attached to a gold chain. He looked down at it briefly, appeared to be deep in thought, and then in one quick motion, placed it right back into his inner jacket pocket. Then he just kind of stared blankly ahead into space before walking straight over to where the toilet stalls were. I finished up, I walked over to the sinks to wash my hand, and as the toilet stalls were directly across from the sinks, I snuck a quick, a quick peek, a queek, over to where this guy

• 21:17Corinne Vien?

  was. And that is when I had a true what-the-fuck moment, because the stall doors are all wide open, and there's absolutely nobody in there. So where the hell did this guy go? He didn't flush himself down the toilet, and there was not another exit in there. So what just happened? There's absolutely no way that he could have snuck by me and then slipped back out the same way that he'd come in. As I exited the restroom, still scratching my head and trying to make sense of what I just experienced, I once again had to ascend from the bowels of this ancient structure aboard the slow-moving escalator, and then, right out of the blue, my damn internal paranormal magnet, of course, once again

• 21:58Corinne Vien?

  did me dirty. I suddenly felt a horrific shiver down my spine, as if someone had just poured a large glass of ice-cold water down my back. The first thing I experienced was hearing the sound of what sounded like water splashing, kind of like when you're swimming in a pool and treading water. And I looked around, assuming that there was a speaker somewhere, because this is an exhibit about the Titanic, but there was none. It felt like people were in the throes of violently shivering and gasping for air. I suddenly and clearly heard the faint stutter-type whisper of a young man's voice in my ear saying, "I'm so cold. Please help me, I'm so cold."

• 22:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just had chills. Whoa.

• 22:39Corinne Vien?

  Me too. Yeah, so this freaked me out, and I had the hair on my body standing straight up. Once I reached the ground level, that was that. Nothing more. Everything went back to normal. And once having returned to my hotel room, I decided to Google this Union Station where I just left from to find out a little bit more about it. And oh, man, what a history did this place have. Firstly, in 1903, the original Union Depot train station suffered a major flood, which resulted in a much larger Union Station being built to replace it. As to whether anyone drowned here, who knows? But the peculiar thing is, Union Station was constructed between 1910 and 1914. The Titanic disaster occurred in

• 23:19Corinne Vien?

  1912. Smack dab in the middle. Coincidence? And then, in 1933, the Union Station massacre happened here, making one of the most infamous cases in Kansas City history. A convicted mobster by the name of Frank Nash was being escorted by both policemen and the FBI to be placed onto the train, which would then take him to prison. But before that could happen, a mob family apparently drove up in their car, started shooting their Thompson submachine guns, and in the process, Frank Nash was killed along with four FBI and police officers.

• 23:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Jeez.

• 23:52Corinne Vien?

  So with all of that being said, was the ghostly apparition of the man that I saw in the bathroom, or the water splashing around, or the voice of a young man stuttering that he was freezing to death, all somehow related or associated to the Titanic exhibit? Or to the 1903 flood? Or to the 1933 Union Station massacre?

• 24:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Gary, why are you asking us? You know more than we do.

• 24:15Corinne Vien?

  From Gary. Haunted Gary.

• 24:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I'm also just so curious, because a lot of these Titanic exhibits do have, like, artifacts or things and...

• 24:23Corinne Vien?

  Right. And he said that there were actual authentic artifacts from the ship.

• 24:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Could there also have been something specifically down in the basement level that, like, wasn't on display for whatever reason?

• 24:33Corinne Vien?

  Just been stored somewhere.

• 24:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I don't know, because even the man, the man in the bathroom felt so like he was very much interacting with that space, which makes me think that he's more, again, I'm pulling things out of my butthole, because I don't know how ghosts work, but like, it makes me think he's used to this space and maybe has interacted with it in life. But I don't know. Whereas the other stuff very much feels like the Titanic.

• 24:58Corinne Vien?

  Right. It could be, but to your point, it could be two separate hauntings.

• 25:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 25:02Corinne Vien?

  Like, time-period-wise, location-wise, separate hauntings. Because also, the feelings that feel more associated with drowning and water in the Titanic didn't happen in the bathroom. It happened on the way back up the escalator.

• 25:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Oh, like, the way Gary explained it, like, it hit him.

• 25:20Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 25:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, all of a sudden.

• 25:22Corinne Vien?

  Like, a feeling of cold water down his back.

• 25:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. He felt it, then heard it.

• 25:26Corinne Vien?

  The splashing.

• 25:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 25:28Corinne Vien?

  The treading of water. The man saying, "I'm so cold." Because it also doesn't, the way that he was saying it feels like, you know, when you're just normally treading water, it wasn't like a frantic, it almost feels like it's towards the end.

• 25:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 25:40Corinne Vien?

  Like, where the lifeboats are trying to see who else is left.

• 25:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, that water was so cold, it, like, shocked everyone, right? Like...

• 25:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

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• 26:18Speaker 00

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• 27:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, I have one that's kind of, like, heartwarming-ish.

• 27:24Corinne Vien?

  Okay, okay. That's a good one after Gary's Titanic reminder.

• 27:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll go up and down with it. It's called "A Four-Day Haunting and a Warning That Saved a Life." Hi, Corinne and Sabrina, my name is Jasmine. I recently found your podcast and became a Patreon member. I absolutely love Two Girls One Ghost. Actually, one of the girls on my soccer league, Jackie, shout out to Jackie, we were, like, talking about what we do, because we grabbed a beer afterwards, and she was like, "Oh, my God, I'm gonna listen." She joined our Patreon.

• 27:53Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's great.

• 27:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You don't have to join the Patreon, like...

• 27:55Corinne Vien?

  That's so supportive.

• 27:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she's like, "No, I'm excited." I was like, "Wow, love that."

• 28:00Corinne Vien?

  Thanks.

• 28:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, hi, Jackie. If you're still here, if you didn't cancel your membership.

• 28:05Corinne Vien?

  That's all, well, now she can't until after the leak is done.

• 28:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm gonna be stalking her. Okay. "I wanted to share an experience that has stayed with me for years. I've changed the names of others in this for privacy. But for some background, I live in Virginia, I have four siblings, two older sisters and two younger brothers, and I am the middle child. And we are no strangers to the paranormal. My mom has always been able to warn or comfort strangers about things that only they would know."

• 28:31Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 28:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My siblings and I have seen ghosts, we've experienced doors shutting on their own, feeling a hand play with our hair, feeling someone sit on our bed when no one was there, seeing a figure go from one room to another, realizing nobody else is home. This is just to name a few. It always scared us, but my mom always told us it was a good ghost and that we shouldn't be afraid. So one summer, four of my cousins came down from Maine to spend the week with us. When they first arrived, everything was normal. But as the week went on, things started happening. And my family and I experienced what we call a four-day haunting, because the energy in this house was incredibly heavy."

• 29:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Lights.

• 29:11Corinne Vien?

  The four day haunting. That could be a movie or a book.

• 29:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This whole story could be, yeah. Lights would flicker on and off. Doors would open and close with no one there. We could hear people talking in rooms that were completely empty. DVDs would be flying across the room. But each day, the activity seemed to pick up. During this time, my older sister had a vision of fire, but she didn't understand what it meant. On the fourth day, a very intense thunderstorm came through and knocked the power out. My mom lit candles and placed them around the living room, and everyone gathered together in that room to wait out the storm. As we were sitting there waiting, things escalated. A door down the hallway kept opening and slamming shut. The lights would flicker on briefly before cutting right back off. We were all so freaked out, holding on to each other as tightly as we could. Literally storming, all of the lights are off,

• 29:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and they're lit, sitting by candle as these hauntings are just going insane.

• 30:03Corinne Vien?

  That's so creepy, but also like kind of a dream. If you're with other people.

• 30:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:10Corinne Vien?

  It's still horrifying.

• 30:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This, this story is the one that you would want based on like the end of it, because it's not a nightmare, even though it feels nightmarish.

• 30:20Corinne Vien?

  It feels like fake in the beginning, right? Like this feels like you're the start of like a Stephen King.

• 30:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:26Corinne Vien?

  So then. Adapted for television series.

• 30:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Adapted for Two Girls, One Goes podcast. We're holding on to each other as tightly as we could when we start to hear footsteps going from up the stairs down the hallway. The living room connected directly to the hallway, so these footsteps are getting closer and closer to us. We're all freaking out. And then everything went silent. After a minute or two, we start hearing jazz music coming from down the hallway. Along with the music, we could hear people talking and dishes rattling. It would honestly sound like a party was happening in that room. Keep in mind, power is out. Nobody wanted to move, but my sister and I grabbed a candle and went to go check it out. As we got closer, everything suddenly stopped. We looked inside the room and no one was there. There were no dishes, no signs of anyone having had been there at all.

• 31:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We ran back to the living room and told everyone what we saw or what we didn't see. And that has been something strange happened.

• 31:20Corinne Vien?

  Even more strange than what's already happening?

• 31:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I began talking, but my voice changed. And I was saying words that didn't feel like they were coming from me. This is what I said. Keep in mind, this is Jasmine. Jasmine says. Jasmine is such a pretty little girl. She's so smart. I see a boat, a rock and a fire. They will think Josh is at work, but he's actually home asleep. Someone will need to save him, or he is going to die. I don't want him to end up like me.

• 31:48Corinne Vien?

  I would calmly place my things down and I would exit the house and say, so sorry about your possession. I'll catch you tomorrow when it's light.

• 31:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But the message, I see a boat, a rock and a fire. They will think Josh is at work, but he's actually home asleep. Someone will need to save him, or he is going to die.

• 32:06Corinne Vien?

  He's home asleep. This is, this is a riddle. But then a rock, a boat, it makes me think water. But if he's asleep, okay, keep going. I'm clearly not saving him. I can't figure out the riddle.

• 32:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My mom immediately grabbed me. Once it stopped and I came to, I had no memory of saying it. Everyone had to tell me what I said. My voice was back to normal. My family was completely freaked out, but my mom kept saying it had to mean something. All of it had to mean something. My mom and aunt were able to piece it together. So my sister had that dream about the fire. And I was talking about Josh, to warn Josh. Josh is my cousin's cousin. He has two sisters. One of his sister passed away in a car accident when she was very young, around 14 years old. The message said, I don't want him to end up like me. My mom and family believes that she was speaking through me to warn them about what was going to happen.

• 33:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because four years later, here's the event that took place.

• 33:09Corinne Vien?

  Four years?

• 33:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Josh's house, which is by a lake with a large rock where his boat sat, caught fire. That day, Josh was not feeling well, so he went home from work and fell asleep. Everyone thought he was at work and that the house was empty. But at that moment, they remembered what my mom had warned them about four years earlier and realized he had to be home. Because they remembered, Josh was saved.

• 33:35Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I have so many chills.

• 33:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That experience was so intense and emotional. I still get chills every time I think about it. When I found your podcast, I knew I had to share it. Thank you both so much for giving me and other spooky people a safe place to share these experiences. Stay spooky. Much love, Jasmine.

• 33:52Corinne Vien?

  Well, thank God they remembered it. Cause when, when you said four years later, I was like, like you forget so many things.

• 33:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I feel like it was like Josh's sister picked this weekend because everyone was together and spent.

• 34:03Corinne Vien?

  People would continue to talk about the weird thing that happened.

• 34:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Four days increasingly like picking up energy and haunting.

• 34:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 34:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To deliver this final message.

• 34:12Corinne Vien?

  And make it super memorable.

• 34:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, unreal.

• 34:16Corinne Vien?

  It's also just like a cousin's cousin. Like, I don't even, it's incredible that the family is spreading news and information quickly enough that he was able to be saved. Well, I think if something happened to my cousin's cousin, I would learn about it like two months later.

• 34:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I guess, but if like your cousin, if your cousin's cousin was with you. So your cousin's with you, and here's this whole experience. They're gonna go back and tell their other cousin that it's about.

• 34:41Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so it wasn't necessarily like her family being like, you gotta make sure he's not in the house. So like the news had spread enough.

• 34:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because Jasmine.

• 34:49Corinne Vien?

  Of the haunting, and so.

• 34:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Jasmine's four cousins came down. So it was like eight people in this house. They were all together. And I feel like Josh's sister, who had passed away, knew how powerful Jasmine and her mom were, that they needed them to be like the deliverers.

• 35:05Corinne Vien?

  That's why it had to happen four years earlier. Cause oh.

• 35:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So wild.

• 35:09Corinne Vien?

  Dang, ew, for her to just be like possessed in that way.

• 35:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Jasmine's so pretty. What a pretty little girl. Um, I see a boat, a rock, a fire, and Josh is going to die. Save him.

• 35:20Corinne Vien?

  Literally.

• 35:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like, you start with a compliment.

• 35:23Corinne Vien?

  It's a compliment sandwich. Like, everything is fine here. Oh, she's so sweet.

• 35:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Murder. He's going to die.

• 35:30Corinne Vien?

  Fire, imminent death.

• 35:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wild.

• 35:33Corinne Vien?

  That, yeah. It does sound like a riddle, doesn't it? Even though it's really just a description.

• 35:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was like, it's kind of straightforward.

• 35:39Corinne Vien?

  But like.

• 35:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I see a boat, a rock, a fire. Everyone will think he'll, he's at work, but he's actually at home. Someone needs to save him.

• 35:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 35:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like it's pretty straightforward.

• 35:50Corinne Vien?

  With the context of knowing that he lives on a lake with a boat, has a rock. But I was thinking like, okay, well, I was thinking that there were two parties involved. It's like, there is a big crash somewhere of a boat that is on fire, that crashed into a rock. Almost like Mothman, I was thinking, like that is the sign that something else is gonna happen. And Josh is gonna die when that other event happens. Which I was like, that's so complicated.

• 36:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, but a life was saved.

• 36:17Corinne Vien?

  A life was saved.

• 36:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Josh's life was saved. And that's, so when I was looking up stories for this episode, it reminded me so, I kept thinking about that one story. We read, oh my gosh, so many years ago, and I'm gonna butcher it. But basically, I think there was like two people camping by a lake, and they were on a boat. And they kept getting like intuition, like hits of like, you have to go left, even though they like would typically go right. And then they found like a mother and son.

• 36:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, people that needed help.

• 36:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who were like drowning, yeah.

• 36:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Oh, my God. Ooh.

• 36:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can't tell you what episode that was. Don't know how to search it in the box because those are the details I remember. Maybe someone else does.

• 36:53Corinne Vien?

  Oh, but I love all that stuff where it's like spirit intervention, and you're just in the perfect place where you're like not questioning things. You're just kind of going with it.

• 37:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:03Corinne Vien?

  And people are saved.

• 37:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you save lives.

• 37:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay, well, I have an email from our listener, Justine, about a haunted lake.

• 37:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Lovely.

• 37:12Corinne Vien?

  Hi, ladies. Love your podcast. I've been into the paranormal since a young age, having my first experience with the ghost when I was in second grade. And then I have been visiting haunted places and requesting to live in haunted dorm rooms in college. And just creeping people out ever since.

• 37:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that.

• 37:28Corinne Vien?

  I'm sure it's not an official request, but it's like.

• 37:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I guess most people wouldn't request it, so they'd be like, sure, I guess if you want it.

• 37:34Corinne Vien?

  Haunted rooms here that you could assign me? Like, who's this, who is this freshman we admitted?

• 37:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wouldn't want to give it to someone who requested it, because I'd be like, you're gonna do a Ouija board.

• 37:42Corinne Vien?

  What are you gonna do here?

• 37:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:44Corinne Vien?

  I don't think I have any special gifts, but I do feel things and see things all the time.

• 37:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's.

• 37:49Corinne Vien?

  I feel like that's a special gift.

• 37:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Corinne Vien?

  But the story I wanted to share is one that is about a lake that my family has lived on for almost 45 plus years. Lake, ooh, Sakandaga in upstate New York.

• 38:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 38:03Corinne Vien?

  Hold on, let me do a pronunciation thing. Sakandaga, I think I did it right.

• 38:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nice.

• 38:09Corinne Vien?

  Yay. Watch, I'll be wrong, I'm celebrating too early. All right. Lake Sakandaga was previously known as the Sakandaga Valley, and it only became a lake in the 1920s when the Sakandaga River was, good thing I looked it up.

• 38:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause you're saying it a hundred times, yeah.

• 38:24Corinne Vien?

  When the river was dammed to protect the area from constant flooding. Many people, both living and dead, were displaced by the flood. People had to move their lives, their homes, everything to higher ground. While they were given ample time to make this move, they did have to dig up some graves and move those graves to higher ground as well. On a clear day, on the boat, you can see all the way to the bottom of the lake. You can see railroad tracks, house foundations. It is super eerie. Anyway, here is my story. My grandparents bought their house on the lake in the seventies after stumbling upon the lake after vacationing in the a bit more populated Lake George area about 20 minutes away. They purchased their house for 10K,

• 39:06Corinne Vien?

  which is insane to begin with, but it came with all the furniture. It was a super quick sale, and they were delighted that they could have a summer home to share with their six kids and the generations to come. They moved in the next week and the furniture remained there. And up until just a few years ago, it was all the same furniture. Wow, that's a long time to keep the furniture that you've inherited.

• 39:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I bet like the couch had like a permanent like indents where people sat.

• 39:30Corinne Vien?

  I've been going up to the lake my entire life. My sister and I loved going up there, especially loved spending time with my grandparents and baking and boating and hiking in the woods, going into the town, shopping for antiques. And my grandpa was a true handyman and loved to repurpose items that he found around the property and create fun rustic projects around the yard.

• 39:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cool.

• 39:50Corinne Vien?

  He stumbled upon a pile of what appeared to be pavers or like cobblestones a quarter of a mile into the woods of the property. He saw this as a great opportunity to create a perfectly manicured pathway leading up the side of the house to the back patio. My sister and I eagerly agreed to help him. Helping grandpa usually ended with a special trip to the local creamy freeze. We were seven and we were 10, so we really weren't that much help.

• 40:17Corinne Vien?

  But we would carry one flat rock per trip. And on the second trip, my sister was selecting her paver to carry down the yard when she noticed that there was writing on one of the stones.

• 40:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 40:27Corinne Vien?

  She couldn't make out what it said and asked my grandpa to take a look. And now, thinking back, the pavers were all different sizes, different shapes, different colors of gray and brown. Some had words on them, some were rectangles, some were very small ovals, some were broken. My grandpa could not make out what the stone said either and just told us to lay them down, writing side down on the hill. And we sure wanted ice cream, so we continued to do exactly that and then carry the pavers and create this pathway. And now, again, to be honest, looking back, I believe that that house and the surrounding woods was a hotbed of activity. However, it wasn't until my sister and I helped my grandpa with that project that I started to notice more and more. I was always scared to sleep alone there. It's so funny to be like, this place was scary, like there was something off about

• 41:11Corinne Vien?

  this place and I was scared to sleep there, but I have the best memories and loved going there.

• 41:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, you can have both.

• 41:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you can. I was especially scared to sleep by myself and not accompanied by a sibling or a cousin. My grandparents' room was downstairs and I would dread the night when I would have to go upstairs to my usual room to sleep. Every night I would fall asleep, I'd have terrible dreams, which would result in me being up all hours of the night, just laying in bed, listening to the sounds of the woods. And each night I would hear this sound, which I can still hear in my memory today, which sounded like someone hammering a chain. And the timing was always the exact same time.

• 41:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 41:48Corinne Vien?

  Each morning I would wake up, I would look for some sort of explanation outside, anything like a branch on a pipe, something hitting a swing, something that could make that noise, but I could never find any rational explanation.

• 41:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Scrooge, is that you?

• 42:01Corinne Vien?

  My sister and my grandparents never heard the sound either. It was only me in the middle of the night, hearing this chain, having these nightmares. And I'd have nightmares of my sister drowning in the lake and then running home and then the house being on fire.

• 42:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 42:15Corinne Vien?

  So I spent many nights upstate New York, sleepless. And this went on for years. A few years later, one summer Friday morning, a car pulled into our driveway. It's not the type of place where someone's just gonna make a U-turn in our driveway. So they pulled up, got out, started to walk towards us. It was two older men and a girl around 10 or 11. They were the house's previous residents. They moved out suddenly after tragedy had struck the family and they were forced to sell the house quickly.

• 42:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was there a fire?

• 42:45Corinne Vien?

  We welcomed them into the house and sat and talked to them for a bit. And they told us the history of the rocks on the fireplace. And they were so happy to see that a family like ours had moved in and was enjoying the house as much as they did. My grandpa then took them to the backyard to show them everything we had changed, pointed out the outhouse that was still standing and of course, was happy to show them his new crafty walkway that he'd added a few years back that we helped with.

• 43:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My gosh.

• 43:09Corinne Vien?

  One of the men was speechless. He said, where did you get these stones? My grandpa explained that he'd found them in the backwoods. This man knew exactly where they were from. He had come across them years prior. And that is when he told us, they were gravestones.

• 43:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are you serious?

• 43:30Corinne Vien?

  He left them there, ran away and never looked back. He assumed that they were moved there before the flood, that no one had created another cemetery for the misplaced graves. And after learning this information, my grandpa decided not to move the stones. And yeah, paranormal activity certainly continued. I could even see figures walking in the woods and the doors would open and slam and the house would.

• 43:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Their walkway was literally gravestones.

• 43:55Corinne Vien?

  Gravestones. They would walk on gravestones on their way up to their door.

• 44:02Corinne Vien?

  Present day, the house was redone. The stones were returned to the woods. Activity has finally stopped.

• 44:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, wow.

• 44:10Corinne Vien?

  Or maybe I just don't notice it anymore. Well, that's the story of the creepy lake. I hope you enjoyed it. See you on the other side, Justine.

• 44:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm speechless.

• 44:20Corinne Vien?

  Not where you thought it was gonna go.

• 44:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not at all. Because what are the dreams that she was having? Was it related to the family and how they had to leave in a tragedy? I don't know, but the tombstones, I mean, that's.

• 44:30Corinne Vien?

  Or it could have been like anyone who.

• 44:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who died.

• 44:33Corinne Vien?

  Who died there. Yeah, that there was like a fire and drowning, because there's so many different tombstones.

• 44:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which also just makes me sad for all the spirits that they're just stuck in their tragedies.

• 44:43Corinne Vien?

  That's true. Or maybe this was like their attempt at being like, hey, do some investigating. Can you realize you're walking on my grave every day?

• 44:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or that you're going to solve my murder.

• 44:53Corinne Vien?

  Solve my murder. Or just, yeah, bring some awareness to the.

• 44:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 44:58Corinne Vien?

  Little stepping stone.

• 44:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually kind of love that that was used as like a, or just like that they were repurposed, maybe not as a walkway, but like.

• 45:08Corinne Vien?

  But in a way, it's like representing being brought home, like a pathway home.

• 45:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's a lot of sweet. But I guess they didn't love it because they were haunting them like crazy.

• 45:18Corinne Vien?

  And then, once, once the pavers were, or I keep calling them the pavers, once the gravestones were returned to the woods.

• 45:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 45:24Corinne Vien?

  The activity stopped.

• 45:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting. I think if I were a ghost attached to one of those headstones, I would make my headstone almost be like a whoopee cushion to any time like someone stepped on it. Yeah. Because I'm a teenage boy. I have one more story to end this episode on, but we also have a bonus story to read on Patreon, so I'll read a story here for everyone. But if you want more.

• 45:50Corinne Vien?

  Storytime with Sabrina.

• 45:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you want one more, there will be another on Patreon.

• 45:54Corinne Vien?

  Perfect.

• 45:57Speaker 04

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• 46:27Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Hey, everyone, this is Jonathan Van Ness from Getting Better. You know what you believe. Maybe your faith is at the center of your life. Maybe you're still figuring it out. Maybe religion just isn't your thing. Those choices are personal and in America, they should stay personal. That's why Americans United for Separation of Church and State is fighting for something that affects all of us. The freedom to live as yourself and believe as you choose, so long as you don't harm others. Because religious freedom isn't just about protecting your right to practice or not. And it surely isn't about having one forced government sanctioned religion. It's about protecting your right to say, this is what I believe, while your neighbor

• 47:11Speaker 00

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• 47:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, this is from our listener Heather. And I was looking for a story about like haunted cruise ship, because I knew that would be your horror. But I found, from Heather, I work on a haunted steamboat.

• 47:42Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 47:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 47:43Corinne Vien?

  Very cool. I feel like steamboats are kind of rare.

• 47:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it's like a super historic. It's like got an awesome story. Okay. Hi, Ghost, this is, let me just tell you that your podcast changed my life. I found you in 2023 after you were on Celebrity Memoir Book Club, which they rebranded to Good Noticeings Podcast, I think. I think that's the new name, the rebrand. Ashley and Claire. But I spent the rest of the summer binging your archives. Okay, I'm gonna start by saying I have the best job ever. I work on a haunted steamboat. It is called the Bell of Louisville and it's located in Louisville, Kentucky, home of the Kentucky Derby and all the bourbon. The Bell.

• 48:23Corinne Vien?

  And a hell of a lot of hauntings.

• 48:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So many hauntings. The Bell was actually built in 1914 and she started out as the Idlewild. That was what she was named. In the 1940s, she had a captain named Ben Winters, who was known for having some slightly shady friends and these friends were doing illegal gambling on the boat one night, which resulted in the police raiding the boat. The shock of this gave Ben a heart attack, which he later died from. And it was his dying wish to name the boat, the Avalon. It is considered bad luck by some to rename a boat, but considering we're the oldest steamboat of our kind in the world, things are going okay for us, knock on wood. Ben Winters is rumored to haunt the boat. But that's not even the story. The story that I ran here to tell you.

• 49:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but more context, our boat was the Avalon until 1962. And then the city of Louisville bought her and eventually restored her to her adorable turn of the century greatness. And this is when she got her third name change to the Bell of Louisville. And you will see her all over our city murals, logos, and in random memorabilia in antique shops.

• 49:26Corinne Vien?

  I feel like normally I don't love a name change when it has to do with something that's like super historic, but I love this name.

• 49:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, the Bell of Louisville.

• 49:34Corinne Vien?

  Because it comes with so much adoration.

• 49:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes. Every year, we have a big steamboat race that's a part of the Kentucky Derby Festival. How fun.

• 49:42Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 49:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're kind of TikTok and Instagram famous for an instrument we have on our boat called the Steam. It's this really loud organ type of instrument that steamboats would have back in the day in order to announce their presence before the internet existed.

• 49:56Corinne Vien?

  Wait, what?

• 49:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They would start to play.

• 49:58Corinne Vien?

  They'd play the organ?

• 49:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Basically, yeah.

• 50:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I'm just thinking of like Phantom of the Opera music.

• 50:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, very dramatic. Which is very Pirates of the Caribbean on, um, David Jones', David, Davy Jones's.

• 50:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 50:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Boat. Okay, so they would start playing when they got close to the destination and you could hear it for like 10 miles or so. People in these river towns would flock to the shore to watch the steamboat coming in when they would hear it from far away. So I love this, this beauty and nostalgia of it. So now we play musical requests and some pop music on the. And I'm probably saying that wrong. And people love it. They also love our player, who is an actual angel named Martha. So when the boat was leaving the dock today, I ran into one of our mates and he asked me if Martha had told me what happened to her over the weekend.

• 50:44Corinne Vien?

  Who?

• 50:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I had just spoken to Martha and she hadn't mentioned it. So Martha and I were texting back and forth to coordinate some new songs for her to play. And later that afternoon, she mentioned that someone told her she had to tell me the story. So here it is.

• 50:56Corinne Vien?

  I'm dying to know her setlist though, because I'm like, what do they play?

• 51:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They play pop music.

• 51:01Corinne Vien?

  But like, is it pop music from like the seventies and eighties? Or is she playing Pink Pony Club?

• 51:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I bet we're going Pink Pony Club. Bell of Louisville. They play modern and pop hits. They play Golden by K-pop Demon Hunters. Here Comes the Sun by The Beatles. Yeah, this is the K-pop.

• 51:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so cool.

• 51:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it.

• 51:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, when you get to like the upbeat part.

• 51:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:41Corinne Vien?

  I'm like, okay, that's like fun.

• 51:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You hear it.

• 51:44Corinne Vien?

  But the beginning of it, I was like, oh, my God, this is like the opening to like a like campy seventies.

• 51:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Horror movie.

• 51:51Corinne Vien?

  Horror movie.

• 51:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  On the steamboat?

• 51:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 51:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it. Okay. So Martha tells me the story. It was right before a cruise and Martha was playing a selection of songs like she usually does. She'll come on board, play a few numbers and then head home. She was on her way downstairs to kick off a peaceful evening and cool off from being on top of the deck of a steamboat in Kentucky humidity when she ran into one of our engineers. Our engineers are in charge of checking the steam pressure and running the engines during a cruise as well as maintaining the engines, which date back to the 1890s. This was like, wait, yeah, the bell wasn't even built in 1914. So these engines are older than the bell itself. When it's safe to come down and check things out, people are welcome to come down and explore and chit chat with the engineers. However, when we're taking off, turning and docking, we use a yellow rope to signal

• 52:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  the people that the engineers are busy and they can't go down to the engine room yet. So the engineer asked Martha if she could put the yellow rope up on her way out so that they could do some work. So she went to the top of the staircase to the engine room to do so. At the top of the staircase is a closet. And as Martha got closer to the closet, she heard someone kicking and pounding on the inside of the door of the closet screaming, help me out, I'm stuck, screaming. Martha ran to go get one of our engineers to unlock the closet because they have the key. They went back, got the key, opened the door and found nothing.

• 53:11Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 53:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is actually a linen closet full of shelves that a person cannot fit into. I have heard so many stories that our engine room is home to one angry ghost on the bell. It's the ghost of a deckhand who we call Floyd. According to legend, before a moonlight cruise many decades ago, Captain Winters sent Floyd down to the engine room and he was somewhere where he wasn't supposed to be. So when the boat was ordered to go full steam ahead. Yes, that's where the saying comes from. Floyd was crushed.

• 53:39Corinne Vien?

  Oh, no.

• 53:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the paddle wheel.

• 53:41Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I hate that.

• 53:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly one deck below where the closet that Martha heard the trapped entity. I'm curious if it was like a male voice saying, I'm stuck, because he literally was crushed.

• 53:52Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 53:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I went on the boat right after getting Martha's text and let me tell you, I got chills and goosebump and the hairs on my arms went standing straight up. This is only the latest of a long list of ghost stories. And the ghost I feel the most connection to is Gladys, a beautiful young woman who sadly disappeared right off the side of the boat in the 1930s. And no one knew the name of the warm female spirit who haunted our ballroom, but I was able to piece Gladys's story together through old newspaper reports. You're a historian too?

• 54:22Corinne Vien?

  So cool.

• 54:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe next time I'll write in with her story. Yes, Heather, please. Um, if anyone has interest writing the haunted steamer bell of Louisville, you actually can still go. We go out in the water several times a week. So if you're ever there, I would totally have you on board to see if you get the same spooky vibes that I do. Keep on doing what you're doing. See you on the other side, or hopefully on my haunted steamboat where we could do a little seance, Heather.

• 54:45Corinne Vien?

  Can you imagine?

• 54:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How fun.

• 54:47Corinne Vien?

  Wait, we gotta save this email somewhere. Let's not forget about this offer. That's like a historic steamboat getting to do an investigation out.

• 54:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That seems.

• 54:58Corinne Vien?

  So like one of a kind opportunity.

• 55:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And Martha has to play Kesha.

• 55:02Corinne Vien?

  We're gonna give Martha a set list to play during our seance.

• 55:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Actually, that's amazing. Yeah.

• 55:09Corinne Vien?

  Oh, this is so cool.

• 55:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so cool.

• 55:12Corinne Vien?

  I hope you meant it when you invited us because I think we're gonna take you up on this.

• 55:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have it in writing, so.

• 55:18Corinne Vien?

  We do.

• 55:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're gonna show up.

• 55:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, legal.

• 55:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Get it notarized.

• 55:23Corinne Vien?

  If you're word.

• 55:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love it. You're like mad at Heather.

• 55:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're like already questioning.

• 55:29Corinne Vien?

  Keep your promise.

• 55:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's so fun. The Bell of Louisville.

• 55:36Corinne Vien?

  Wow, that is so cool.

• 55:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, bodies of water. This wasn't that scary. I mean, we had some like haunting moments.

• 55:42Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 55:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We started out scarier than we ended.

• 55:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 55:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Bosnian SW.

• 55:47Corinne Vien?

  Walker.

• 55:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, flash pedestrian.

• 55:49Corinne Vien?

  The Bosnian walker.

• 55:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's a scary title. It's like night walkers.

• 55:54Corinne Vien?

  But I mean, like the sea itself, just like videos of like the sea.

• 55:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The letter C itself is terrifying.

• 56:02Corinne Vien?

  The letter C. I start with C.

• 56:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually like the letter C. Q is my favorite letter, though.

• 56:09Corinne Vien?

  I like Q too.

• 56:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so cute.

• 56:12Corinne Vien?

  It is.

• 56:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's not used enough. There's not enough words with the letter Q in it.

• 56:16Corinne Vien?

  It's like the, the person at the party like never really speaks up, but then when they actually do, you're like, oh, my God, you've got such amazing zingers and like you're.

• 56:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're hilarious.

• 56:25Corinne Vien?

  Great story.

• 56:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's be friends.

• 56:27Corinne Vien?

  We love Q.

• 56:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love Q.

• 56:29Corinne Vien?

  Do you?

• 56:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Least favorite. I've not put thought into this.

• 56:34Corinne Vien?

  I could skip an S and an R.

• 56:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, rude.

• 56:37Corinne Vien?

  I don't dislike them.

• 56:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm just a Brina.

• 56:39Corinne Vien?

  But I just.

• 56:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Get rid of the S entirely.

• 56:41Corinne Vien?

  Forgot about it. Oh, I was just thinking about like.

• 56:46Corinne Vien?

  You know what? You know what?

• 56:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I hate C, O, R, I, N, D, and R.

• 56:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't hate any letters.

• 56:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, numbers are a different story.

• 57:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually quite like all numbers, I think. Eight's my favorite. I love eight.

• 57:04Corinne Vien?

  Interesting.

• 57:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So satisfying. Just like, mm, eight. It ate.

• 57:10Corinne Vien?

  Eight, eight, baby.

• 57:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All right, we're gonna, we're gonna cut it, cut ourselves off.

• 57:15Corinne Vien?

  Callers? We got callers. What else? Days of the week.

• 57:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, man.

• 57:20Corinne Vien?

  Thursday.

• 57:23Corinne Vien?

  Shout out.

• 57:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All right, if you want another story, another ghost story, if you want to get rid of our ramblings, join us on Patreon. Um, we're gonna read one more story and I'll give a little teaser. It's about a sunbathing ghost, a boy at the pond and the hat man trying to get our listener. Got it all. So, um.

• 57:43Corinne Vien?

  See you there.

• 57:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See you on Patreon. It's for our Only Phantoms and it's, it comes out 30 minutes after the normal episode does. So, see you over there. But until then, we love you all. Thank you for being here. We're very grateful for you. Please rate and review us wherever you listen to podcasts, subscribe to us on YouTube or watch on YouTube, join our Patreons and.

• 58:02Corinne Vien?

  Our Patreons.

• 58:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, Patreon. Well, it's kind of, I was gonna say Patreon and subscriptions because they exist elsewhere, but Patreons, we, we recommend Patreon.

• 58:11Corinne Vien?

  And thank you, Jamie Ryan, for editing and producing our podcast.

• 58:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you all.

• 58:15Corinne Vien?

  And we will.

• 58:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See you on the other side.

• 58:25Speaker 01

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