Episode 389 - Haunted University of Georgia & Sorority Ghosts

We’re heading back to school, but this campus has a few residents who never graduated. We’re exploring the University of Georgia, one of America’s most haunted college campuses, and digging into its 240+ years of ghosts, murders, tragic history, urban legends, and seriously creepy campus lore. Then we’re heading down Milledge Avenue, where haunted sorority houses come with reports of mysterious knocking, sobbing, shadow figures, objects moving on their own, and a piano that plays by itself. Plus, one helpful ghost might just have a thing for matchmaking. See the stunning Alpha Gamma Delta sorority house here. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey.

• 1:53Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 1:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's up?

• 1:54Corinne Vien?

  How's it going? Oh, yeah, you can't talk back. Sorry. This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 1:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost. We are your ghostesses. That is Corinne.

• 2:03Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 2:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina. I'm trying a new drink today, and I kind of like it.

• 2:06Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, I didn't even notice.

• 2:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 2:08Corinne Vien?

  What'd you get? Like, is this like a refresher type thing?

• 2:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a Glamberry. I hate these stickers so much. I usually take them off before I come in here. It's one of my, like, weird, it's gonna bother me. Anyway, but yeah, it's, um, it's like one of those energy drinks.

• 2:22Corinne Vien?

  Were you just inspired today, or did you see it somewhere? Was it recommended?

• 2:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I just wasn't in the mood for coffee.

• 2:27Corinne Vien?

  It's hard to stray from the past.

• 2:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I mixed it up.

• 2:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's officially September, if you are listening to this when it comes out, and it's that time of year where school's back in session.

• 2:39Corinne Vien?

  And so, the kids are returning to their schools with their friends, and some of the children are moving away

• 2:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  to haunted colleges.

• 2:50Corinne Vien?

  Little do they know their dorm room is going to torment them for the whole first year.

• 2:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or maybe their entire campus. Okay. So, end of summer means this-

• 2:59Corinne Vien?

  Literally happened to us.

• 3:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 3:00Corinne Vien?

  Freshman year, both of our rooms.

• 3:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When ghost hunting. The end of summer means it's back to school, and if you're in college, maybe it's move-in weekend. Maybe you're a freshman, maybe you're filled with that mix of anxiety and excitement, the fear and cheer, because you're gonna have new roommates, new beginnings.

• 3:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  New school, new rules, or maybe no rules for the first time in your life. And perhaps you're heading to campus one week early for one of the oldest traditions in history, Greek life, rush week. Or maybe you're a seasoned college student, heading back to campus after a summer. So you've built your community, you can't wait to live it up again, and maybe, just maybe, you're moving back into the sorority house. Or maybe you're moving into the sorority house for the very first time.

• 3:40Corinne Vien?

  Is this a haunted Greek row?

• 3:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a whole haunted campus, but there's a lot of Greek life.

• 3:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 3:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Haunted sororities incoming.

• 3:47Corinne Vien?

  This is exciting.

• 3:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I almost pulled out my Theta sweatshirt for this episode, but it's in a bin, like, in the back of a closet, and I did not do it.

• 3:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I don't think I own mine anymore. Because I was like, what's the, realistically, what are the chances that I have a daughter, and then that daughter joins Alpha Phi?

• 4:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I kept-

• 4:05Corinne Vien?

  For me to give them that sweatshirt.

• 4:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I kept one sweatshirt from Theta, and then I kept my sweetheart's sweatshirt from Sigma Phi.

• 4:12Corinne Vien?

  Mm, mm. I just kept the pin, like, the tiny little pin from-

• 4:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, yeah. See, I don't know what my pin is.

• 4:18Corinne Vien?

  Or whatever. I was like, that's, that's the one trinket that if, should this ever happen, that will be passed on.

• 4:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So if you're moving into this sorority house, hopefully, they told you about the ghosts. So today, we are going to talk about one of the most haunted colleges, the University of Georgia. Go Bulldogs!

• 4:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also saw Go Dogs online, so-

• 4:41Corinne Vien?

  Oh, good dogs.

• 4:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know, maybe we're DAWG Dogs.

• 4:44Corinne Vien?

  I don't know, but the fact that this is like a Georgia campus, and like, Greek life in Georgia makes this feel even more intense.

• 4:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 4:52Corinne Vien?

  Our experience with Greek life was like, not really that authentic at all.

• 4:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually really liked ours because we, so we started LMU. You have your whole first semester, you don't rush until your second semester freshman year, which is nice, because like, you and I became friends.

• 5:06Corinne Vien?

  Most of our friend group, it was all mixed.

• 5:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, and then we joined different sororities, but we were able to stay friends. And like, it wasn't so exclusive, where you only ever socialized with your sorority.

• 5:16Corinne Vien?

  True, but we also didn't have a Greek row. So it's like, there's no house to move into. There's-

• 5:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We made our own little houses.

• 5:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, people just like rented houses.

• 5:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 5:25Corinne Vien?

  Six or seven people in like one house, scattered all over Westchester in Los Angeles.

• 5:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, just wait until you see these houses. They're insane. They're some of the most beautiful-

• 5:36Corinne Vien?

  I thought I was just going to like the USC, UCLA ones, when we would like take little field trips.

• 5:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The, the decoration and like interior design is insane.

• 5:45Corinne Vien?

  But I just like watching the rush videos when they're all doing their like clapping in the doorway and all that chants. And it's a little scary, but it's also very, like, that's the cult that I would join.

• 5:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We did join.

• 5:55Corinne Vien?

  We did, yeah. That's true.

• 5:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so the University of Georgia in Athens, Georgia, is one of the most quintessential southern college towns in America. Streets lined with old oak trees, historic buildings, football on Sundays, like, everyone in town is dedicated to the Sunday football games. Although I think it's Saturdays, right, at college? I think it's, anyway, I'm a fraud.

• 6:18Corinne Vien?

  We also didn't have a football team, so-

• 6:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, so that means we're undefeated. So we said in my high school, too. And also, in this quintessential southern college town, there are plenty of ghosts.

• 6:31Corinne Vien?

  Not very surprised, given its location.

• 6:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, and we're gonna talk about some of the history.

• 6:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 6:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Although the last bit probably wasn't mentioned in orientation. As you walk through the front doors of the sorority houses, they won't tell you they're haunted. Like, ghosts staring at you through the window haunted, or body buried beneath the front steps haunted, or maybe piano plays by itself haunted, or also, oh, yeah, someone was murdered here haunted.

• 6:54Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh. Piano, fine, but like, you walk up the front steps, like, your class or your house or something?

• 7:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yep. So today, we're gonna talk about the hauntings at the University of Georgia, and not just the sorority houses, but the entire campus itself. There are over 240 years of history here, and sometimes, history has a way of bleeding into the present in the form of ghosts.

• 7:16Corinne Vien?

  Ghosts.

• 7:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And just to, as context, there are so many buildings on this campus. Actually, I wanted to look up how many students are here. Forty-three thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight students. That's massive.

• 7:29Corinne Vien?

  That's like the si, that's the population of Vermont.

• 7:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's, that's crazy.

• 7:33Corinne Vien?

  Crazy. That's so many people.

• 7:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So many people. So this campus is massive, and obviously, we're not gonna talk about all of it, but I-

• 7:41Corinne Vien?

  I wonder if it's always been huge.

• 7:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, it probably-

• 7:43Corinne Vien?

  Because so many of them started as like, boys only or whatever.

• 7:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, all of them, basically.

• 7:47Corinne Vien?

  Ours, too.

• 7:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, except for like the women-only schools like Wellesley and whatnot. But, anyway. There are a lot of hauntings to cover in this episode. We're talking urban legends, mysterious bricked-up buildings and pathways, murders, revenge, a haunted Greek row, and so much more. But before we get to all of those hauntings, we're gonna talk about the history of the University of Georgia, and why it's so haunted, as context. This history certainly predates when I'm gonna start it in this episode, but we're not gonna go. It's the beginning of time. We're gonna start with January 27, 1785. The American Revolution has just ended. The United States of America was more of like a percolating thought. It was cooking.

• 8:26Corinne Vien?

  And Burr was-

• 8:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Having duels in the street.

• 8:30Corinne Vien?

  Heading to New Jersey.

• 8:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And-

• 8:31Corinne Vien?

  Not for the bagels.

• 8:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I want a bagel now. It's making me hungry.

• 8:36Corinne Vien?

  They're so fluffy. I've never tasted one. Just get to look at them.

• 8:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so sad for you.

• 8:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I know. The New Jersey bagels look so much better than the New York or anything else.

• 8:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're similar to New York.

• 8:46Corinne Vien?

  Wow, hot take from you. I feel like everyone-

• 8:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, New York pizza, New York and New Jersey pizza and food, I feel like, they're the same.

• 8:52Corinne Vien?

  But they look so different, the bagels?

• 8:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where are you getting bagels in New York? Where are you seeing bagels in New York? You're seeing the wrong ones.

• 8:58Corinne Vien?

  Brian, we go to bagel shops. I don't get to eat anything, but-

• 9:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I personally believe they're very similar. Okay, but it's here in this uncertain time, post-American Revolution, where a man named Abraham Baldwin, who was a Connecticut-born Yale graduate and Georgia state legislator, decided, I'm gonna make some moves. He believed a true democracy could not function without an educated citizenry, which I agree, I think that's a very smart take. And the people of his state and his country, he believed, should be educated. So with that, he drafted a charter and presented it to the Georgia Assembly. And on January 27, 1785, the University of Georgia became the first state-chartered public university in all of America.

• 9:40Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 9:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And fun fact, Abraham Baldwin later signed to the, uh, US Constitution.

• 9:45Corinne Vien?

  Good for him.

• 9:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He followed Jan Ho, John Hancock.

• 9:48Corinne Vien?

  Jan?

• 9:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Jan Holcock. But no one can really follow John Hancock. That's, you know, he's-

• 9:54Corinne Vien?

  Well, I do feel bad that like, no one, like, if you told me his name, I would never know that he was one of the signatures.

• 9:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 9:59Corinne Vien?

  He was in the room where it happened, though.

• 10:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He was. Okay, so 1785, UGA exists, although at the time, it was called Franklin College, after Benjamin Franklin. And despite being chartered in 1785, there was no physical campus until 1801. In 1801, 633 acres of land were purchased along the Oconee River, I probably said that wrong, and was donated to the university as a campus. So the very first on-campus classes began in September of 1801.

• 10:28Corinne Vien?

  God, I like, that is a period of time that if time travel was-

• 10:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A thing?

• 10:32Corinne Vien?

  A thing, I would wanna go back, like, the first week that that opened, and just like, see the excitement, see what it's like.

• 10:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:39Corinne Vien?

  Are people like buzzing with excitement, and it's like awkward and cool?

• 10:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 10:43Corinne Vien?

  Or is it just, do they understand how awesome it is?

• 10:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That, that's a good question. We'll have to get a time machine and find out.

• 10:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 10:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And this is also still such a long time ago, like, 1801, that's a long time ago.

• 10:54Corinne Vien?

  Super long.

• 10:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And-

• 10:56Corinne Vien?

  America's barely been-

• 10:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:58Corinne Vien?

  A thing.

• 10:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're still babies. Two hundred and fifty years?

• 11:00Corinne Vien?

  Yep, four hundred years this year for Salem.

• 11:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  God, I love Salem. So that means some of the buildings on campus have been standing for some 200 plus years. They've stood witness to the Civil War, generations of students coming and going. And also, it's very important to note that these buildings were in large part built on the labor of enslaved people. And actually, this is a wild story, and I feel like it's not talked about very often when you like look up what's going on. And then also, some sources say the wrong date. So that kind of pisses me off. But in November of 2015, during a campus construction project to expand Baldwin Hill Hall, the remains of 105 people were discovered beneath the campus grounds.

• 11:42Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 11:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They did DNA analysis and confirmed that the vast majority of remains were of African descent and had most likely been enslaved and then just buried beneath the campus, unmarked, buried with little care and little compassion.

• 11:54Corinne Vien?

  It's so upsetting, but at the same time, like, given the amount of land that was given.

• 11:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 12:00Corinne Vien?

  And what was going on and how horrific everything was. Like, I'm not surprised.

• 12:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it's not surprising. It's just upsetting.

• 12:07Corinne Vien?

  It's just upsetting.

• 12:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the first instinct of the school itself was not to like, oh, let's commemorate the people here. They were basically like, let's just ignore it and move on. It took years of student activism and public pressure to actually acknowledge and memorialize the souls that had been buried there.

• 12:22Corinne Vien?

  That's crazy.

• 12:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Years. Yeah. So already, we can see heavy, dark history.

• 12:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 12:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then there was a civil war. In 1861, Athens was a Confederate stronghold, the South, and the city supplied men, uniforms, and weapons. And then that year, so the university fall semester started with 113 students enrolled, so not always that big. But by 1863, so many of the students and faculty members had been called to the front lines, that the school closed entirely and then was handed over to the Confederate soldiers as like a base camp.

• 12:55Corinne Vien?

  That's kind of a wild, like, I understand anyone can be called, but like, for some reason, I just thought of academic campuses as kind of being safe.

• 13:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I always think of Across the Universe. Did you ever watch that movie?

• 13:06Corinne Vien?

  Across the Universe.

• 13:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes. And how, I mean, I was sure in World War II, I think.

• 13:12Corinne Vien?

  Probably. I don't really remember.

• 13:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, and the like ways that these like men and boys are trying to like get out of being called to the front lines, but even if they're in college, they still get called.

• 13:23Corinne Vien?

  Like Handmaid's Tale.

• 13:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Same, same.

• 13:26Corinne Vien?

  That's also like based right here, too.

• 13:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's, yeah. Okay, so the campus shuts down, it's handed over to the Confederate soldiers. Soldiers and refugees move into the campus. They actually turned the chapel that still stands today into an army hospital where wounded and dying Confederate soldiers were taken and treated. And there, I couldn't find an exact number of documented deaths. I guess there weren't a ton here. And then in 1864, the chapel was converted into a prison where 431 Union soldiers were captured and held. Then, Union forces swept through the campus towards the end of the war, camped on the college grounds, and apparently, some of them used the chapel's front columns for target practice. I tried to look up photos to see if there's any like bullet marks and whatnot that they've documented, but I couldn't find any.

• 14:13Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 14:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But yeah, this building still stands. Post-Civil War, the campus reopened in 1866, but over 100 students, remember, it was 113 students enrolled.

• 14:24Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Over 100 students and alumni had died. So it was very, very different when the university reopened.

• 14:29Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 14:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:31Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's terrible.

• 14:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So not like 100 of the 113.

• 14:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But still a significant number. Then, there were students who left to go fight in world wars and never returned, all to say, there's been a lot of murders, suicides, tragedies.

• 14:43Corinne Vien?

  So hard.

• 14:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And quite a lot of injustice that took place on the land.

• 14:46Corinne Vien?

  I wonder if like dorm rooms were, like, did people board there? Or, okay.

• 14:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So all of this history and the hauntings attributed to this history has classified the University of Georgia as one of the most haunted campuses in America. So let's talk about some specific hauntings. The first and arguably most haunted or most well-known haunted building on campus is called Joe Brown Hall. Almost everyone agrees that this building gives them the creeps, and there's a reason.

• 15:13Corinne Vien?

  Joe Brown is haunting it?

• 15:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No. Joe Brown, um, I don't think was a great guy.

• 15:17Corinne Vien?

  I would make the assumption that almost every person that they're named after is not.

• 15:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:24Corinne Vien?

  When they're that old.

• 15:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the Confederate.

• 15:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then we can, I'm gonna assume that.

• 15:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm. Okay, so Joe Brown Hall was built in 1932, named after the 42nd governor of Georgia, who wrote his political stance, "No bueno. Mino likey." I did write that, too. He was around during the Civil War. This building was constructed and named after him in 1932, many years after they lost the Civil War. So, interesting choice. But anyway, it was constructed as a men's dormitory, and for decades, that's what it was. Male students lived, studied, slept here. And then a tragedy struck in the fall of 1971. I'll tell you the legend first, as like, it's kind of shared on campus, and then I'll tell you the real story.

• 16:05Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 16:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The legend says that Thanksgiving of 1971, everyone packed up to go home for the holiday, except for one student, one boy who was planning to stay on campus. Unfortunately, this boy died by suicide in his dorm, and his body wasn't discovered for some time. Again, according to legend, when he was discovered, his body was so badly decomposed that the smell was impossible to get out.

• 16:26Corinne Vien?

  Oh, God.

• 16:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Residents started complaining of the smell for weeks and for months. It never got better. It got so bad that the janitors literally sealed up this one wing of the dorm, meaning there are stairs that go to nowhere within this building.

• 16:39Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 16:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This staircase.

• 16:41Corinne Vien?

  Did the smell ever correct itself?

• 16:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, no one goes in that hallway anymore.

• 16:45Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 16:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I don't know. This staircase is now referred to as the Stairs to Nowhere, and naturally, many people have reported eerie sensations and hauntings in this space and building. And so many people hear of this legend when they're on campus. Like, you and I for sure would have added this to our.

• 17:00Corinne Vien?

  Oh, we would have tried to go.

• 17:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Little ghost hunting tour. Because the legend says that if you go up this, if you find the stairs, first of all, go up them and knock three times on this portrait. Because literally, this is the wall. It's like a portrait of a hallway.

• 17:14Corinne Vien?

  It kind of is back rooms-esque.

• 17:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very.

• 17:17Corinne Vien?

  In a way.

• 17:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's like, why not just like, leave it as a blank wall? Why add to this? Why to make it look like it's a hallway? I don't know. Maybe they, they're trying to add to the legend. But so the legend says, if you walk up there, knock three times on that portrait, three knocks will respond.

• 17:34Corinne Vien?

  Oh. I wonder how many people do this? Because like, knowing how many students are on this campus.

• 17:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A lot. Popular paranormal.

• 17:41Corinne Vien?

  Is there a line every night to go knock?

• 17:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if you live in that building? That would be annoying.

• 17:45Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, that would.

• 17:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But popular paranormal shows have even investigated the stairwell. There's a student named Emma West who went looking for the stairway to nowhere during her freshman year. And when she found it, she immediately had chills of her entire body and felt a presence. People have also claimed that if you knock the door, it's a hollow knock, meaning that like, there's like a big hallway on the other side.

• 18:05Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 18:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But maybe there's such an eerie feeling because the student's tragic end has been turned into an urban legend and a drunken dare, like playful adventure. But the truth is, a young man really did spend his final moments on the other side of this wall. And he did have a name.

• 18:20Corinne Vien?

  On the other side, it might not even be haunted. Like, the hauntings might just exist right there at the door that everyone's knocking in.

• 18:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:26Corinne Vien?

  On because of the energy that people are putting forward there.

• 18:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And this is the thing, is like during the legend, in every iteration of the legend I found, not once is a student's name mentioned. Like, I literally had to go searching for it.

• 18:40Corinne Vien?

  But yeah, I get it, though, because of like privacy and stuff. Like, I feel like.

• 18:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:44Corinne Vien?

  At LMU, it was the same thing. It was like, I knew I was living in the dorm room where someone had passed away, but I did, I wasn't able to like find the article or the name. It was just confirmed by the housing.

• 18:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Okay, well, in this case, he had a name. His name was Stanley Parkattick. He was actually 26 years old and was discovered on March 1, 1972, so not after Thanksgiving break, as the legend says. This discovery was reported in the Athens Banner Herald on March 2, 1972, and also in the school paper, The Red and Black, on March 9, 1972.

• 19:16Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 19:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The article was titled, "Stanley Was a Quiet Fellow." And according to these articles, a janitor found Stanley's body after investigating a foul odor on the first floor, and the cause of death is still unknown. It was thought to be suicide, but has never actually been confirmed. The UGA police commented that the body was severely decomposed and described it as a bizarre death.

• 19:38Corinne Vien?

  It's hard. I mean, anything could happen, you know?

• 19:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He was.

• 19:41Corinne Vien?

  Brain aneurysm.

• 19:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Yeah.

• 19:43Corinne Vien?

  Some undetected congenital heart defect. Like, there's so many things.

• 19:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. He was found wearing just a shirt, and there was a bag of unopened donuts from the local bakery next to his body. So then it was added in these articles that the wing was in fact boarded up because the smell could not be removed. Wow, that's wild.

• 20:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 20:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so sad.

• 20:02Corinne Vien?

  Well, that also makes me think even more so that it was like a freak accident where it's like, there's confusion from him as to what went down.

• 20:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 20:11Corinne Vien?

  And that's why like the space is maintaining.

• 20:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Some energy.

• 20:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 20:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. I'm curious if anyone has access to get to the other side of that wall. But yeah, it's a tragic story and I really do hope Stanley has found some peace. Or if he does haunt the dorm, it's because he wants to and he enjoys messing with freshman students who are like learning about this legend and he's like, yeah, I'm gonna haunt you.

• 20:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that actually would be really fun.

• 20:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what I would do. At the end of the day, Joe Brown Hall is believed to be the most documented paranormal location on campus. Although there are so many others, so many others, like Waddell, Waddell Hall. I hope to not say that word again, but I probably will. This is where the first murder on campus took place.

• 20:51Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 20:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The first. So this hall was built in 1821. You like how I'm avoiding saying the name? And is the second oldest building on campus. It served as a lab, a dorm, and is now the office of special events. But what makes it so haunted is that it is the location of the first murder ever recorded on campus.

• 21:08Corinne Vien?

  Dang. Well, I sure hope it happened 200 some years ago and not recently.

• 21:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think it's been over a hundred years.

• 21:15Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 21:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So as the story goes, again, I couldn't find hard evidence of this, but this is how the story goes. After World War I, a young soldier returned home and his friends who wanted to help him get back into like normalcy were like, hey, come stay at our dorm, hang out here. And I guess before he left for the war, he had a fiance. So they're like, spend some time with your fiance.

• 21:37Corinne Vien?

  They had to tell him that?

• 21:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But he'd been gone for a long time and his fiance, she shows up and she's like, hey.

• 21:45Corinne Vien?

  She's like this?

• 21:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I found someone else.

• 21:47Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I thought she was gonna be like wicked pregnant or something.

• 21:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no. She had fallen in love with someone else.

• 21:53Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 21:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And.

• 21:54Corinne Vien?

  She should have written a Dear John letter.

• 21:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well.

• 21:56Corinne Vien?

  Something like that.

• 21:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't like this young soldier.

• 21:59Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 21:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He, when he found out, murdered her. And then he died by suicide, all within the walls of Waddell High Hall. This is a college. This is University of Georgia, Waddell Hall. And this tragedy obviously has left us like a haunting stain on the land. It's been more than a hundred years, but people still report unexplained strange activity. They'll hear sounds, loud, heavy footsteps, orbs of light. They'll feel like someone's watching them. But most people agree it's just residual energy, but even then it's like very, very thick energy.

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• 24:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, here's another really hard one to say. Demosthenian Hall, another very old and very haunted building, was built in 1824 and is home to the Demosthenian Literary Society.

• 24:45Corinne Vien?

  How many more times do you have to say that?

• 24:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I.

• 24:48Corinne Vien?

  I, I heard for you. You're saying, it sounds like you're saying it right, but I'm like, oh man.

• 24:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think that's it.

• 24:53Corinne Vien?

  It's a mouthful.

• 24:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Did we have any buildings on campus that were really hard to say?

• 24:56Corinne Vien?

  I don't think so.

• 24:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We had U-Haul.

• 24:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, University Hall, U-Haul. Which the elevators were, I've never once seen.

• 25:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The escalators, you mean?

• 25:04Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, the escalators never once were all four.

• 25:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Working.

• 25:07Corinne Vien?

  Escalators working. And then a couple of years ago, when Nikita got married and I like stayed there for a week to watch her dog in between. This was an Indian wedding, so there were many events and I like stayed there for a few days.

• 25:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We recorded from her house.

• 25:19Corinne Vien?

  We did, we did. And Rolly was like humping the blanket.

• 25:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 25:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, so I was, I was watching. Rest in peace, Rolly. But yeah, no, I like walked to U-Haul. Uh, campus and U-Haul's escalators were still broken. I was like, oh my God, this is like.

• 25:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That building reminds me of the backrooms in mall world because it was literally designed to be like a mall. It's massive. Like I think if you took all the furniture out, it would be a very liminal space.

• 25:45Corinne Vien?

  Well, the, um, like Steve Jobs movie was filmed there, so.

• 25:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, look at us.

• 25:50Corinne Vien?

  Look at us. If you're curious what it looks like, it's.

• 25:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Look it up. LMU U-Haul. There was a period of time where when we were on like, our sorority was on like judicial review or something like that. We had like a disciplinary action that before we went on our buses to our parties and events, we had to all be on campus for like an hour before we left to prevent pre-gaming.

• 26:12Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I think we had to do that too.

• 26:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 26:14Corinne Vien?

  And they like stuck you in that little theater space.

• 26:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In U-Haul. Yeah, yeah. But we would all still like bring water bottles full of alcohol and just drink there.

• 26:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's college.

• 26:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, okay, back to Demosthenian Hall. It was built in 1824 and like I said, it was home to the Demosthenian Literary Society, which is one of the oldest and most prestigious organizations in the University of Georgia's history. This building was actually added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1971 and is haunted by a man named Robert Toombs. And I love this story. This might be one of my favorite stories. Robert Toombs is one of the most famous alumni to UGA. He arrived at the school in the 1820s and he very quickly made a name for himself. He was even chosen as a class graduation speaker, which was one of the highest honors a student could receive. He was brilliant, charismatic, ambitious. Everyone loved him. He was on track to excellence.

• 27:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But just like a week before graduating, Robert Toombs was expelled. Because he had gambled. He was gambling. He got caught.

• 27:18Corinne Vien?

  A scandal. Just gambling or like was he running an underground gambling ring?

• 27:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. Look at this man. He looks like he's doing some salacious shit.

• 27:26Corinne Vien?

  That guy looks like he'd cheat in a card game.

• 27:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, he's counting cards. That's actually why he got expelled. He was playing against the campus president.

• 27:34Corinne Vien?

  I'm sure he was.

• 27:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, so sometime kind of right before graduation, he was expelled. But here's the thing about Toombs. He was like, well, I don't like that decision, so I'm gonna come back to campus and still give my speech. But he couldn't do it at graduation. So he goes and he stands beneath a massive oak tree on the property of Demosthenian Hall. And he gives a speech to whoever will listen. People gather, people listen to him.

• 27:57Corinne Vien?

  I appreciate that.

• 27:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, he gives a speech. I said, I love this story. I don't love Toombs. He went on to become a very controversial Confederate government official.

• 28:05Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 28:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I do love this story because legend says that at the very moment he died on December 15th, 1885, the moment he took his last breath, miles and miles and miles away from this oak tree on the University of Georgia's campus where he gave his graduation speech despite being expelled. As he took his final breath, a strike of lightning hit the oak tree and destroyed it.

• 28:32Corinne Vien?

  Okay, one, what the fuck? That's so spooky and weird and like fantastic in a way. But two, the tree lover in me is devastated that this old massive oak tree just got destroyed. From his, it's like, why are you hurting the oak tree? The oak tree gave you platform.

• 28:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think he just wanted to have one final speech goodbye. I don't know.

• 28:52Corinne Vien?

  Or like make it clear that it was him.

• 28:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So since then, various members of the literary society, which still exists, which I think is so cool. I want to be a part of literary society.

• 29:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 29:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They have been reporting encounters with his ghost. People have heard pacing on the second floor, doors opening and closing on their own. More recently, there was a member who was with like others. It was like a group of like three or four literary society members. They were up on the second floor, walking down the hall when all of a sudden all of the doors to the hallway slowly start to open simultaneously.

• 29:22Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 29:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they pause and they're like, what the hell is happening? And within like a second, all of the doors slam shut very loudly.

• 29:28Corinne Vien?

  So spooky.

• 29:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they reported that they saw a man walk through one of the doors as the doors like got slammed shut.

• 29:34Corinne Vien?

  Oh, damn.

• 29:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they believe it was Robert Toombs. And there's now a plaque

• 29:37Corinne Vien?

  He's still hanging out.

• 29:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Outside where the tree once stood.

• 29:40Corinne Vien?

  Well, he clearly like enjoyed his time there. He was asked to give a speech. I'm sure he was popular around campus. He ran a gambling ring.

• 29:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:50Corinne Vien?

  Or at least I'm saying he ran it.

• 29:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If he's in this literary society, he loves the dramatics, which like that makes sense that he would strike a tree.

• 29:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 29:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Upon dying. Anyway, there are some various other hauntings. I'll give you like a couple of small ones and then we're going to get into the sororities.

• 30:04Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 30:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So a student named William Samuel Lloyd was living in Kandler Hall in nineteen oh five and went back to his dorm with his friends. Sadly, stupidly, they were in dorm. He takes out his pistol and he's like playing around with it. And he actually fired it into his lower abdomen and died in his dorm room. The building is no longer a dorm, but for many years when it was, students reported this overwhelming sensation that someone was hovering over them while they slept. Like watching them sleep.

• 30:30Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, I don't like the hovering over. Cause it makes me almost think of like the depictions of like the old

• 30:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Old hag.

• 30:36Corinne Vien?

  Christmas depictions of ghosts where they're literally hovering, like they're floating above you, not just leaning over you.

• 30:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. The faculty who work in this building today report hearing pacing. The elevator will go up and down on its own. And people kind of agree that it feels like it's Willie's spirit being restless, just lingering in the building.

• 30:55Corinne Vien?

  It's not at all, but like it reminds me just enough of my favorite ghost story from LMU, which isn't a ghost story at all. But they thought that in, I can't remember the name of the building, but it's the white one. It's in the like quad area.

• 31:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sunken Gardens?

• 31:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's right by Sunken Gardens.

• 31:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, I want to see.

• 31:12Corinne Vien?

  What is that building called? I don't know. I had so many classes there.

• 31:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interactive campus map. Let's look.

• 31:17Corinne Vien?

  It's the one across from the cafeteria.

• 31:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, wow.

• 31:20Corinne Vien?

  I had my stage combat final right there.

• 31:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Saint Roberts Hall?

• 31:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, Saint Rob's. But in Saint Rob's, it's like, it's a building with just a, it's a long ass hallway, a few floors. And it's just like this easy tiled hallway or whatever.

• 31:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 31:33Corinne Vien?

  There was a year that everyone thought that it was, it was, I think a couple of years before we started there. Everyone thought that there was a ghost on campus because the security cameras kept capturing like a whoosh of someone in the middle of the night going by the cameras in Saint Rob's. What? It would be like a blur of someone going by and they were like, oh my God, middle of the night. Every once in a while, there's a, there's like a spectral man going by. And then finally, one of the security guards was there when it happened. And it was a local man with roller blades who after hours, when like the building was shut down, no kids had classes, no one was in the building. He would just rip it down these like slick hallways on his roller blades.

• 32:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Honestly, love that for him, but like that's where you choose to do it on the campus.

• 32:22Corinne Vien?

  Go to U-Haul.

• 32:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, U-Haul would be the perfect place.

• 32:25Corinne Vien?

  U-Haul's always closed. Like I feel like they lock that shit up. Saint Rob's was old and open.

• 32:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, the stores didn't lock.

• 32:31Corinne Vien?

  No, you could break in through any window if anyone wanted to know. Most of them are broken.

• 32:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are you speaking from experience?

• 32:36Corinne Vien?

  Why? Just it's something I observed as someone who's.

• 32:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You watched people break the rules. You would never do it yourself.

• 32:43Corinne Vien?

  Whenever I break out of my yoga class, I crawl through the window.

• 32:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so this is another story I really love because it's a curmudgeonly old man. So there's a story of a faculty member who lived in what is called the Lustrat House. I think this building still exists. He lived there in nineteen oh three. Well, the campus decided to like literally pick up this building and move it over a hundred feet or so in order to make more room for the new fireproof library that they were planning to build. But this professor, Charles Morris, he was like, well, no, I'm not moving out. And they're like, well, you have to. And he's why I'm not doing it. He refused to like pack up his things.

• 33:16Corinne Vien?

  Like a squatter.

• 33:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He literally was just like, well, he was like, this is my home. Like I'm not moving.

• 33:20Corinne Vien?

  Tie myself to this tree.

• 33:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they're like, buddy, we'll give you a temporary housing. Like it'll be okay. He's just like, no.

• 33:25Corinne Vien?

  And like he can move back in after they move it, right?

• 33:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:28Corinne Vien?

  It's just about moving the actual space.

• 33:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He just would not move. He didn't want to pack up his stuff. He didn't want to do any of it. He died not too long after this and he has remained a permanent fixture of the building. He's like, I'm still not leaving.

• 33:40Corinne Vien?

  He's so stubborn. I love that for him.

• 33:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And he's still just as bitter and stubborn as he was in life. People see him in the windows, like he will be, like he watches. If you were to break into the doors of this building, he would alert the authorities.

• 33:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He stares at people through the windows. He's often spotted in a rocking chair by the fireplace and keeps an eye on things. So anytime people try to like move things around or change up things in this building, he gets more active.

• 34:08Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 34:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's still

• 34:09Corinne Vien?

  He wants it to be the way, it was his house. It was his home.

• 34:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 34:13Corinne Vien?

  It's like, keep my room the way that I had it.

• 34:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. And then of course, we can't talk about haunted campus without talking about a haunted theater.

• 34:19Corinne Vien?

  It's the number one place. Anywhere and everywhere.

• 34:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What is a theater without a ghost?

• 34:24Corinne Vien?

  That's why you have the ghost light.

• 34:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly. Oh my God. Wait, I briefly texted, texted you about this and it will, by the time this comes out, hopefully it will have come to fruition. My friend from high school, from my theater days, shout out to Peter. He works for Broadway doing like marketing and stuff. And he's on the marketing team for the Paranormal Activity Broadway show.

• 34:44Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 34:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And he's like, we're literally building stuff for like with you and Corinne in mind. Like two girls, one ghost things in mind.

• 34:51Corinne Vien?

  How?

• 34:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At the like event, the like opening night event where they're inviting influencers.

• 34:56Corinne Vien?

  I don't know.

• 34:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Inspired by. I don't know, but he's like, we can't pay for travel, but like you're invited. And I was like, I'm gonna be there.

• 35:03Corinne Vien?

  I'm the inspiration. You should invite me. Saying that's so cool. I'm so curious what like trickery and ghostly things they're gonna have going on for opening night.

• 35:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's gonna be so fun.

• 35:13Corinne Vien?

  I have seen like a couple of little blips of.

• 35:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I hear it's so scary and so good.

• 35:18Corinne Vien?

  Yes. And just like set design and how they do it, like that it's horrifying.

• 35:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Okay. So haunted theater. James O. James was an actor.

• 35:27Corinne Vien?

  James O. James. James O. James.

• 35:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my gosh, that is quite the name. James O. James was an actor who has long lingered in this building. He specifically shows up in the playbill.

• 35:39Corinne Vien?

  Hey, what do you mean?

• 35:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like the team will print the playbills and then they'll like go to like check on them in the morning and James O. James's name is in the playbill. He's like, don't forget about me. I'm the star of the show.

• 35:51Corinne Vien?

  I will get my credits to join SAG-AFTRA. Like you cannot stop me.

• 35:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not stop me. No one has put it there. And then, yeah, on the day of opening night, they'll open the playbill and there his name is James O. James.

• 36:02Corinne Vien?

  That is hilarious.

• 36:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In more recent years, he has been quiet, but there are people who, everyone in the theater program knows not to say his name backstage. It's kind of like the Shakespeare Macbeth thing.

• 36:14Corinne Vien?

  Wait, why can't you say his name?

• 36:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because apparently.

• 36:17Corinne Vien?

  Doesn't he want the startup? It would seem like he wants the attention, given that he's printing his name in the playbook.

• 36:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's probably an iteration of the Macbeth legend, whereas if you say Macbeth backstage, you curse.

• 36:28Corinne Vien?

  They relearned.

• 36:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:30Corinne Vien?

  After forgetting that we had done a whole thing on it.

• 36:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So now they've actually decided to start printing his name in the playbills as a good gesture to him, hoping that he won't curse the show.

• 36:39Corinne Vien?

  Oh. They're like, we don't need you to do the work. How many hints do I need to give you before you realize that like I need credit in every production? Cause I'm doing a lot backstage. You might not know what I'm doing, but like.

• 36:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Give me my credit.

• 36:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 36:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And now they do.

• 36:51Corinne Vien?

  What does he credit himself as?

• 36:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. I tried to find pictures of James O. James in the playbills, but I couldn't find specific ones. So if you go to University of Georgia, I was also surprised. I looked at our inbox. If there's forty five thousand students that go here, no one's emailed us from that school.

• 37:07Corinne Vien?

  Are you guys like signing NDAs or something? What's going on?

• 37:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. What is up? Why are you hiding your secrets from us?

• 37:12Corinne Vien?

  Stop hiding your secrets.

• 37:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tell us about James O. James. Okay, but what really.

• 37:17Corinne Vien?

  We know you're capable of printing.

• 37:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Use the computer, but what really drew me in for this episode were the hauntings on Greek Row, which at University of Georgia is called Milledge. I want to say.

• 37:28Corinne Vien?

  Milledge?

• 37:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Milledge Avenue or Milliwack.

• 37:30Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, the Milliwack.

• 37:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Milliwack.

• 37:32Corinne Vien?

  Oh man, I just know a sunny Saturday.

• 37:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 37:35Corinne Vien?

  Afternoon is so fricking fun there.

• 37:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, I'm imagining House Bunny when they're doing like the car wash outside. One of my favorite movies.

• 37:43Corinne Vien?

  I wish we had like an exchange program at LMU with Greek life where like we could have just gone for like a week or something and slept over.

• 37:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, like a slumber party at a different sorority house?

• 37:55Corinne Vien?

  Experience what it's like to be in a Greek row.

• 37:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are we too old for that? Can we be the house bunnies? We'll be the house moms?

• 38:01Corinne Vien?

  Be the house mothers.

• 38:05Corinne Vien?

  Be the moms that are in charge of the curfews or whatever.

• 38:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I'm a cool mom. Okay. So this is my favorite part for so many reasons. One, we were both in sororities, which we talked about. I did write how ours was different. We didn't have a Greek row.

• 38:16Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 38:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I remember going to LMU because, well, one, it was LA and I wanted to go to LA, but I had just watched the show Greek right before going to college. And I still like, after watching that, I was like, I want to be in a sorority so bad. I want a school that has Greek life.

• 38:31Corinne Vien?

  Schools too that had Greek life.

• 38:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, my mom was like, you have to go to a Jesuit school and LMU.

• 38:36Corinne Vien?

  She Jesuit?

• 38:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, she just wanted like the Jesuit education, like the education of a whole person.

• 38:41Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 38:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And LMU was the only Jesuit school that has Greek life and I wanted to go to LA, so it was everything.

• 38:46Corinne Vien?

  LA or just?

• 38:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think in general.

• 38:48Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 38:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 38:49Corinne Vien?

  That's kind of crazy. I didn't know that.

• 38:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, at least when we were applying to colleges, it was. I don't know if that's changed, but yeah.

• 38:55Corinne Vien?

  Wow. So fascinating.

• 38:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 38:56Corinne Vien?

  No, I, I had no plans to do Greek life at all. It wasn't a consideration, but then everyone for a semester, like all of our friends decided to rush. So I was like, okay, I guess I will too, cause I'm not gonna be left out.

• 39:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Well, the one thing we missed out, but I think is a good thing, like we talked about, is that we didn't have to like go back or go to school a week before and just immediately get thrown into the chaos of Greek recruitment and sorority rush. But that's what it's like in the South especially, and at these big schools, it's chaos. You show up the week before knowing nobody at all and you go through recruitment. Milledge Avenue is stunning. There are dozens of grand mansions set back behind sweeping front lawns. Think white columns or neat iron railings, ancient magnolia trees. It feels like a time machine. It is the heart of Greek life at UGA, lined with sorority and fraternity houses that have been home to students of many generations.

• 39:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'm sure many, if not all of them are haunted, but I'm going to tell you about two sorority houses, each with their own tragic tales. Also, I wanted to talk about the history of the women at UGA. So for a hundred and thirty-three years, University of Georgia was an all male university.

• 40:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 40:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Women weren't officially admitted into the school until nineteen eighteen, and then even then it was extremely difficult to get admitted. And then if admitted, women were only allowed to enroll in home economics or education majors. And they also had different stricter rules. They had an eleven PM curfew. They needed to get permission to leave the campus or ride to town in a car and every day was regulated. Actually, in a twist of things, a woman named Mary Linden was the first woman to actually earn any degree from the University of Georgia. She earned a master's in nineteen fourteen, but women weren't allowed to be admitted into the school until nineteen eighteen.

• 40:39Corinne Vien?

  How'd she do it?

• 40:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. She also helped organize Phi Mu Sorority, which is the first sorority at the University of Georgia in nineteen twenty-four, before she died of pneumonia. And Phi Mu is where we're gonna start our story.

• 40:51Corinne Vien?

  I wish I knew like the hand signals. I want to throw them up.

• 40:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. Well, did I tell you when I joined Theta, I thought they were all doing mustaches, but they were doing.

• 41:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So there's quite a few photos.

• 41:01Corinne Vien?

  You can default here.

• 41:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:03Corinne Vien?

  You don't have that kite?

• 41:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, the kite. What are you like a?

• 41:06Corinne Vien?

  Alpha Phi and then the teddy bear.

• 41:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, Phi Mu is located at 250 South Milledge Avenue, and it is a stunning historic home with intricate black cast iron railings, sweeping double curved front staircase, all in a very southern looking home.

• 41:23Corinne Vien?

  It's just like, it's so wild to me that it just looks like someone's house, like a giant mansion.

• 41:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, it is. Here, I'll show you. And there's a couple of pictures of the interior.

• 41:33Corinne Vien?

  Damn.

• 41:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like pristine. Even the lighting, light fixtures are beautiful. Okay. So this house was built in 1858 by Colonel Thomas Napier Hamilton, who apparently was George's very first millionaire. And he saw that the very first bathtub in the city would be added into his home.

• 41:50Corinne Vien?

  I already appreciate this guy.

• 41:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love a bathtub.

• 41:53Corinne Vien?

  Love a bathtub.

• 41:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Unfortunately, though, the Colonel died before the house was ever completed. So his widow, Sarah Hamilton, saw the completion of the home and then moved in heartbroken.

• 42:05Corinne Vien?

  God, I just feel like this is a story that happens so often in history. It's like,

• 42:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So many.

• 42:09Corinne Vien?

  Man builds mansion.

• 42:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dies.

• 42:11Corinne Vien?

  Dies, and now widow and all of their children and has to like wait for it to be finished and live there.

• 42:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But what I like, though, about this is that from the very beginning, this house has been for the girls.

• 42:20Corinne Vien?

  For the girls, baby.

• 42:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sarah moved in with her daughters. And the home stayed in the family for some time before being sold and passed through various other families. The history of the home is so significant, it was designated a historic landmark in 1991. Can you imagine being in college, living in a home that's like a historic landmark?

• 42:37Corinne Vien?

  Like, I'm sure people don't think about this because you're so young when you're in college. But like, now I'd feel the pressure to make sure nothing.

• 42:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what House Mama does.

• 42:45Corinne Vien?

  Goes wrong in the house. Like, don't, don't like.

• 42:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Don't break anything.

• 42:48Corinne Vien?

  Don't break anything.

• 42:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Don't breathe.

• 42:51Corinne Vien?

  Right?

• 42:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but the history here is actually really, really upsetting. So, like I said, the Colonel built this house, but apparently he also built a house right next door because he had two daughters. So his plan was that one of the daughters would inherit this house, and the other daughter would inherit the other house, and they would be able to live next door to each other.

• 43:07Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I love that. But.

• 43:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Beautiful.

• 43:08Corinne Vien?

  That's a wonderful thought, Dad.

• 43:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Rumor also says that he connected these houses via tunnel.

• 43:13Corinne Vien?

  Oh, hell, yes.

• 43:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is our dream.

• 43:15Corinne Vien?

  Took their like four-year-old drawing of like, we're gonna live next to each other. We're gonna be connected by a tunnel and our houses are gonna be polka dots. It was like, oh, I'll make it reality for you girls.

• 43:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's my dream, our dream. We talked about it.

• 43:26Corinne Vien?

  I love it.

• 43:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that's never been confirmed. So Sarah Hamilton raised her children. And eventually Anna, although some articles called her Hannah, when she grew up, she decided to move in next door. She was engaged, she was said to be married soon, so she was ready to start her own life. And like, this was the time to move into the other house. Tragically, though, one afternoon.

• 43:44Corinne Vien?

  Sorry, I like can't pay attention at all because now my brain has completely gone to us having.

• 43:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The polka dot house with undergun.

• 43:50Corinne Vien?

  It was like the tunnel connecting us. And I would just like picture, it's this like old ancient chamber now with like the stones and it's all archway.

• 43:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With like.

• 43:57Corinne Vien?

  And it's lit by only candlelight. And whenever we record, we just go down there. And that's our, we recorded.

• 44:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We recorded in the chamber.

• 44:05Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 44:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why do I, well, now I'm picturing like where they torture people in dungeons.

• 44:09Corinne Vien?

  But that's.

• 44:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's kind of our.

• 44:11Corinne Vien?

  And I'm like kind of upset now that it's.

• 44:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That we don't have that.

• 44:14Corinne Vien?

  That's not what we have.

• 44:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There is still time. We can make it happen.

• 44:17Corinne Vien?

  Tunnel, Boston to Salem.

• 44:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, pivoting to the tragedy here. Sadly and tragically, one afternoon, apparently Anna or Hannah's fiance was brutally murdered by his own family. And I was trying to find all the details here. They're really, really vague. It's hard to validate, but it is said that Anna's fiance's body was buried beneath the steps of the house that is now the Phi Mu Sorority House. By who? It's not clear.

• 44:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, the purpose.

• 44:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why? Not clear. We're not certain.

• 44:45Corinne Vien?

  And this is like in a romantic way where it's like, every time I come home, I'm.

• 44:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want to keep him here. Yeah.

• 44:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like.

• 44:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. It's so sad.

• 44:52Corinne Vien?

  You're my home and I come home to you and like you lead me and I don't know.

• 44:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm not sure.

• 44:57Corinne Vien?

  It's also a little creepy because then you're also like walking on his grave over and over and over again.

• 45:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is supposed to be a bad omen to do.

• 45:02Corinne Vien?

  And like moving on with your life.

• 45:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, Anna never did, unfortunately. She moved back into this house that her dad had built for her family. And apparently was driven mad by the grief and horror. And she basically lived like holed up in this house until she passed away. But it is said that she has never left. Those who now live in the sorority house of Phi Mu, they report hearing knocking in empty rooms. They'll hear sobbing in hallways. People have seen some really strange things. One sorority sister got locked out of the house and was like trying to get in. And she watched the lock turn by unseen hands opening up for her. Which is great, a great haunting. But she was very like, I'm sorry, but how did that happen? Hello?

• 45:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A lot of people in the sorority house have tried to communicate with Anna by using a Ouija board, but I couldn't find specific stories. And that's why I'm like.

• 45:52Corinne Vien?

  Do that too. That's like where I would use the Ouija board.

• 45:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Oh, man, that's so sorority sister.

• 45:57Corinne Vien?

  So, yes, the size. You gotta contact your original sister.

• 46:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 46:01Corinne Vien?

  But like, it makes me feel bad for her because she clearly is so heartbroken, but like.

• 46:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 46:05Corinne Vien?

  I also wish she's in the perfect place to have a little fun.

• 46:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, and every report has seemed to say that the spirit is very helpful to the girls who live in the house now.

• 46:15Corinne Vien?

  That's good.

• 46:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like she likes being with the girls.

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• 48:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so just down the road, there is another sorority house that is equally as haunted with an equally as devastating backstory. This is the Alpha Gamma Delta House. And this one looks like that.

• 48:31Corinne Vien?

  Damn.

• 48:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is located at 530 South Milledge Avenue, and it is stunning. It is 7,000 square feet with ionic columns, ornate garlands, stained glass windows, Tiffany beveled doors. It is even featured, or it was featured.

• 48:46Corinne Vien?

  How are 18-year-olds living in nicer homes?

• 48:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait until you see the photos. It was featured in Cosmo's Top 20 Most Beautiful Sorority Houses. I'll put the link in the show notes, but I'm going to add a couple of photos in the actual video. Look at this.

• 49:00Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 49:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is stunning.

• 49:04Corinne Vien?

  I dream, I dream.

• 49:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it's so well decorated.

• 49:08Corinne Vien?

  That is so beautiful.

• 49:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's gorgeous. I can't even imagine the dues to be a part of the sorority house.

• 49:14Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, that's true. I forgot about this.

• 49:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, this house was officially called the Thomas Caruthers House, but everyone in Athens calls it the Wedding Cake House.

• 49:23Corinne Vien?

  Hmm, I can kind of see that.

• 49:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it was, it looks like a wedding cake and then it was gifted as an engagement gift.

• 49:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh, was it? Kind of looks like the White House, too.

• 49:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does look like.

• 49:31Corinne Vien?

  Like the pillars, the levels, the white fluffiness to it all.

• 49:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it was built in 1896 by William Winstead Thomas, who was a businessman, architect and civic leader in Athens. And he actually designed the official map of Athens in 1874.

• 49:45Corinne Vien?

  Dang.

• 49:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He was one of the most prominent men in Athens, and he designed this home as an engagement gift for his daughter. It was a wedding present.

• 49:53Corinne Vien?

  All these guys back in the day, just building houses and giving them to their daughters.

• 49:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My dad just left.

• 49:59Corinne Vien?

  Doesn't always happen for us today.

• 50:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My dad just keeps having kids and doesn't have enough money to buy us all houses. Sad.

• 50:05Corinne Vien?

  Sad.

• 50:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but even more sad, on the wedding day, this woman's fiance never showed. She waited and waited. Hours passed and it became clear he was not coming. Or so she thought. Tragically, after waiting for hours, this young girl went to the attic of the home and died by suicide. Not an hour later, her fiance arrived, but he had been delayed. He was never planning to abandon her.

• 50:31Corinne Vien?

  This is so sad. And this is also, I feel like this story comes up so often with old hauntings where it's like.

• 50:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 50:36Corinne Vien?

  Someone doesn't show and there's just extreme heartbreak and the other person ends up dying very quickly after. But like, it makes me, I feel like this is the first time I've ever thought like, well, what is actually happening in the community and society that would make someone do that when they're stood up from a wedding? Like, why is it so impossible to be alone?

• 50:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. I'm still trying to figure that out right now.

• 51:01Corinne Vien?

  Also thinking about the time, like, how long did they actually know each other?

• 51:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably didn't. This is the first I'm meeting. No, it's very, it's very sad and tragic, and I can't even imagine losing your daughter like that, but.

• 51:12Corinne Vien?

  Kind of reminds me of the Borden sisters too, where it's just like, you know, they have this reputation of being murderers and all of this stuff when really half of it was just because they were 30 and single.

• 51:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And single, yeah. Society has historically been terrible to women. Surprise, surprise, surprise. Okay, so William Winstead Thomas, who was the father who built this house, died in 1904. And his widow leased the house before eventually selling it to another family. Then in 1913, it was purchased by James Yancy Caruthers, which is like where the Thomas Caruthers House came from. When he died, his widow held on the property until 1939, when Alpha Gamma Delta purchased it from her directly. So this house passed through a lot of powerful families in Athens over those four decades. And through it all, whatever heartbreaking energy that was left in the attic stayed there, lingering for years to come, even till today. So in 1939, Alpha Gamma Delta sorority moved in.

• 52:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And almost immediately, the women of the sorority began to notice things. Doors opening and closing on their own, faucets turning on by themselves, lights flickering for no reason, and the sound of a chair being dried across the floor in the attic. But it also like reminds me of like the moments before death.

• 52:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 52:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The antique piano in the parlor plays by itself.

• 52:25Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I like that.

• 52:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I like.

• 52:27Corinne Vien?

  What does it play?

• 52:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm not sure. Sometimes when people walk past the house late at night, they'll look up the attic window and which no one lives in the attic. But they'll see a woman standing, looking out in the attic window, probably this woman. The girls of Alpha Gamma Delta have given the spirit the name Suzie. Although I found in one article that her real name was Isabel, so I don't know where Suzie came from. But she's not considered a scary ghost. And in fact, she's a helpful ghost and the room that she lived in is actually now called the Engagement Suite. And legend says that every single girl who lives in this room gets engaged before she graduates from University of Georgia.

• 53:06Corinne Vien?

  That's wild.

• 53:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And like, not that that's what every woman wants, but some of the students here want that.

• 53:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's also the South's right and it's a huge school, so I'm sure there's plenty of people that are looking for that.

• 53:20Corinne Vien?

  Whoa, but yeah, that's kinda, cause at first I was like, oh gosh, it feels like kind of a mocking thing to

• 53:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, she like.

• 53:27Corinne Vien?

  Remind her of all of that.

• 53:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I think the, the idea is that Suzie makes it happen. Like she wants everyone to get the happy ending that she didn't have. There was an Alpha Gamma Delta member named Kalen who said her friend woke up in the middle of the night and thought, and thought she saw Suzie standing there, just like staring. There are also like dozens of other firsthand encounters, but I couldn't find a ton. But overall, they do seem positive.

• 53:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 53:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So those are the two haunted sororities, like most haunted on campus. The point here is that the University of Georgia has plenty of hauntings and they don't actually shy away from it, which was surprising to me.

• 54:01Corinne Vien?

  Also even more surprising that we don't have any emails in our inbox.

• 54:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. There are multiple organizations on campus that lean into it. The Student Alumni Association has an annual ghost tour on North Campus every October.

• 54:12Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I love that.

• 54:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's called Nightmare on Broad Street and it's been running for the last 10 years and led by students in costume and they'll like take you through the ghost stories. Then there.

• 54:20Corinne Vien?

  Every campus should have that.

• 54:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I agree.

• 54:22Corinne Vien?

  They're all haunted.

• 54:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely. Then the university's own historians lead a walking tour during Halloween season two. It's harder to book, but it's very like historical and like factual, whereas the student one is probably a little bit more urban legend, add to myths. And the Athens Haunted History Walking Tour also hosts a two hour walking tour at Athens, like the whole city at large. But it does go through campus and it covers some of the hauntings there. It runs all year round, but then during September and October, it runs every night. Tours start at eight PM and it costs $24 per person. Yeah. So there's plenty.

• 54:57Corinne Vien?

  There's so many to choose from.

• 54:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To choose from.

• 54:59Corinne Vien?

  I would do all of them.

• 55:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We gotta get stories from everyone. Cause that's also the thing was when you go on different ghost tours, the tour guides are all different. They have their own personal stories.

• 55:08Corinne Vien?

  You get the right one, they're gonna share your photos on their own phone from like some of the

• 55:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 55:13Corinne Vien?

  Tours they've done in the past. That's always cool.

• 55:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. But yeah, that's the very haunted University of Georgia.

• 55:19Corinne Vien?

  Dang, so haunted.

• 55:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So many different types of haunting.

• 55:22Corinne Vien?

  Such a huge university too.

• 55:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Go dogs.

• 55:26Corinne Vien?

  Go dogs.

• 55:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Woof woof.

• 55:27Corinne Vien?

  And not to, not to hope anything tragic or horrific happens to anyone. I certainly don't hope that, but like the stories you're telling are from a hundred plus years ago. Makes me curious in like 200 more years of this university being around where it's like, oh, there's.

• 55:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What hauntings will come next?

• 55:43Corinne Vien?

  Nicole and she's obsessed with Kesha or whatever, you know, like.

• 55:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, Nicole, stop trying to be me.

• 55:49Corinne Vien?

  Play Kesha, this one girl's face will come in the mirror.

• 55:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is a haunting I will, I will follow through with on the other side.

• 55:56Corinne Vien?

  Uh, okay. So we don't have a University of Georgia, but we have a story from a haunted college and it's called The Ghost of Wilhelmina.

• 56:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wilhelmina?

• 56:06Corinne Vien?

  Wilhelmina.

• 56:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I kinda love that name.

• 56:08Corinne Vien?

  I know, I love it too. It also just reminds me of the modeling agency in New York City.

• 56:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's that? It's called Wilhelmina?

• 56:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Isn't that like one of the big ones?

• 56:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. I don't know anything about.

• 56:16Corinne Vien?

  Was it like Wilhelmina Modeling Agency?

• 56:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is that from Next Top Model?

• 56:20Corinne Vien?

  No, I think that's exactly where it is. I feel like that's why it's the only name I know.

• 56:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So funny.

• 56:25Corinne Vien?

  So it has to be from that show.

• 56:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, I need to look it up. Wilhelmina Models. Oh yeah.

• 56:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 56:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Never heard of it.

• 56:31Corinne Vien?

  Oh, well, I guess I watched enough like TLC when I was younger. Okay. Hey witchy babes, my name is Emily. My husband, James, and I are huge fans. We listen and watch the podcast almost every day together.

• 56:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love that.

• 56:44Corinne Vien?

  We met in college where this story takes place. At a small Christian private school in the suburbs of St. Paul, Minnesota. I was initially attracted to the campus because of its beautiful grounds and its historic buildings. The college itself is made of five large main buildings. They're all situated in a circle. And then there's a large green field in the middle where you can find all the students playing frisbee, having picnics, doing homework.

• 57:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Quad.

• 57:06Corinne Vien?

  The quad for LMU.

• 57:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sunken Gardens, same thing.

• 57:09Corinne Vien?

  I remember specifically one time, cause did you know that there was like, there were cameras around LMU, just like a couple?

• 57:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, of course.

• 57:18Corinne Vien?

  Well, it was like you could livestream from the campus. They were like livestream cameras.

• 57:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 57:23Corinne Vien?

  So like if you were on LMU's website, you could like, and one of them was Sunken Gardens. And so like my parents would check every once in a while and be like, for my mom. And she'd be like, oh, it looks like it's overcast or oh my God, what a great sunny day or whatever.

• 57:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Doesn't that feel questionable to have access to? Wait, now I wanna see.

• 57:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but they're really far away. It's like, it's like, there's so many of them all around the world where it's like, you can watch a popular beach pier or whatever. And it's not like close up. You're not like watching people's faces go by. It's like a bird's eye aerial view.

• 57:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wanna see if they still have it.

• 57:52Corinne Vien?

  But I remember one time texting my mom being like, I'm in Sunken Gardens tanning. And then she was like, oh yeah, I see you. Like she pulled it up to see.

• 57:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wave, say hi to mom.

• 58:01Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so another reason I love the school is that it's situated on a lake with an island. Oh my God, that sounds so pretty.

• 58:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That does sound very pretty.

• 58:09Corinne Vien?

  When I took my initial tour, we walked to the far end of campus to on a long path that led to a bridge. Across the bridge was this island where there is a small swimming beach, sand volleyball net and a bonfire pit.

• 58:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 58:21Corinne Vien?

  Maybe I wanna go back to college and go here. This sounds so nice.

• 58:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you could do it again.

• 58:26Corinne Vien?

  Also on the island was a large hill and at the very top of that hill was a small chapel, kind of eerie, but also beautiful. Ate with the elements of nature and adorned with cobweb stained glass windows. I started to imagine making friends and hanging out here in the fall. In time, the island would give many more, uh, different memories. I later learned that this chapel on the hill was a tomb and it once carried the remains of a woman named Wilhelmina Coolbaugh. During my freshman year, I got an on-campus job sorting mail. During those shifts, I had a lot of philosophical conversations with my manager Joey, who had worked on the campus for decades. One day I asked Joey if he believed in ghosts and he replied, you haven't heard of Wilhelmina yet?

• 59:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Joey.

• 59:10Corinne Vien?

  He then proceeded to tell me the lore of the campus ghost. Wilhelmina was an heiress who lived in the late 1800s and died sometime in the 1930s. She helped fund the construction of the small shrine chapel that sits on the island's hill. She drowned in Lake Michigan at the age of 62. And the chapel came to be her final resting place where her remains were buried in 1933 per her wishes.

• 59:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I love that.

• 59:34Corinne Vien?

  Her name is still inscribed in the inside walls of the crypt. Fast forward to 1970 when my college bought the property. They exhumed her body and moved her remains to a different location. That's not what she wanted.

• 59:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That would piss her off.

• 59:48Corinne Vien?

  Apparently ever since, there have been very creepy sightings and weird encounters all over campus.

• 59:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause she's pissed.

• 59:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Enter all who say fuck around and find out. I mean, seriously. You think you can just dig up a woman in a crypt with her name on it and think nothing will happen? I would haunt that place too.

• 1:00:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I will say like the one thing about me is don't disrupt my sleep and I feel like that also goes to my death.

• 1:00:13Corinne Vien?

  You know what? I don't wish being a ghost upon you. I wish being like a, like a zombie. I feel like that would be cool.

• 1:00:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 1:00:19Corinne Vien?

  Cause you get the moment, like the, the moment of fear where like someone disrupts you and you get the full.

• 1:00:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Am I like a eat your brains type of zombie or can I be like a vampire zombie?

• 1:00:31Corinne Vien?

  No, you're like a vampire zombie.

• 1:00:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, I'm on board for that.

• 1:00:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like don't wake the dead.

• 1:00:36Corinne Vien?

  Don't wake the dead.

• 1:00:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's very Widows Bay.

• 1:00:38Corinne Vien?

  Uh, I just really love that show.

• 1:00:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so good.

• 1:00:41Corinne Vien?

  Okay. After Joey finished telling me the story, I asked him how many people knew about Wilhelmina and he said most of the staff members and professor and professors on campus have either heard of Wilhelmina or have their own stories to share about her. So I decided from that day forward, I'm going to start interviewing people to compile witness accounts.

• 1:00:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Emily.

• 1:00:59Corinne Vien?

  So awesome.

• 1:01:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you.

• 1:01:01Corinne Vien?

  Joey was very quick to inform me that there was already a mini documentary online of someone who beat me to it. And she does share the link. It's a, a video. It's on Vimeo from 2010.

• 1:01:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, love.

• 1:01:12Corinne Vien?

  Being that there was already documentation of the ghost Wilhelmina, I wanted to experience something for myself and that I did. My husband and I were part of the same friend group who, to our surprise, were more than willing to tag along.

• 1:01:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good friends.

• 1:01:25Corinne Vien?

  Yes. We were all so fascinated by this new information. A campus ghost? So we decided to meet near the path to the island late one night, probably around midnight. There were 10 of us who showed up and we were all aware of Wilhelmina's story, the lore of her spirit. And we were also aware that there were a lot of sightings of her on or near the island. In the dark of night, we used our phone flashlights and we walked across the bridge and up the hill to the spooky little chapel. The moon was bright, tension was high and we didn't really know what to expect. One of our friends, Tyler, started using his phone to record and take photos. After standing around and enticing something or someone to make their presence known, we very quickly got spooked and started running back to the bridge. Just like.

• 1:02:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like when you're playing hide and seek and you're waiting for someone to find you and you get like giddy and nervous and excited.

• 1:02:16Corinne Vien?

  As we were walking back to the parking lot, someone jokingly suggested that we should go inside of the main chapel called Nazareth Hall to explore. And you know.

• 1:02:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The chapel's not even named after Wilhelmina?

• 1:02:26Corinne Vien?

  I guess so. So cruel.

• 1:02:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Rude.

• 1:02:29Corinne Vien?

  So yeah, keep the spooky vibes going or whatever. Something to note about the campus is that the five main buildings are interconnected through underground tunnels.

• 1:02:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Did you ever go through the tunnels at LMU?

• 1:02:38Corinne Vien?

  Which ones? The ones that we were actually like allowed to do on a guided tour or the ones that you have to do?

• 1:02:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The like, the fraternity ones that they did?

• 1:02:45Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 1:02:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I never did it either.

• 1:02:47Corinne Vien?

  The crawl space.

• 1:02:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They did like, I remember Samikai did a pledge activity called Shawshank Redemption and they would late at night find the tunnels and like crawl through them.

• 1:02:57Corinne Vien?

  It, it's, it's like a, there's ground, like grass and dirt above you and giant spiders.

• 1:03:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Corinne Vien?

  That one I did not do. I just did like the actual guided, like you're underneath some of the buildings.

• 1:03:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which those ones, apparently our senior year, you could do that and like write your name on the wall and I didn't.

• 1:03:12Corinne Vien?

  You didn't do it?

• 1:03:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I don't know why.

• 1:03:14Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 1:03:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I'm sad.

• 1:03:16Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's a bummer. Cause there were, well, there were a bunch of different tours that you could sign up for.

• 1:03:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I didn't do them.

• 1:03:20Corinne Vien?

  You didn't do any?

• 1:03:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think I maybe did like one or two, but like, no, I didn't really do them.

• 1:03:25Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 1:03:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know what I was doing.

• 1:03:27Corinne Vien?

  I don't know what you're doing.

• 1:03:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Getting drunk? I don't know.

• 1:03:30Corinne Vien?

  I did them. Well, also, I feel like the knowing you could write like a note was incentive for me to sign up for that because then I wrote a note to my brother because I knew he was going to LA.

• 1:03:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's cute.

• 1:03:40Corinne Vien?

  So that when he, four years later, he would-

• 1:03:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He would see it.

• 1:03:43Corinne Vien?

  See it.

• 1:03:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so cute.

• 1:03:44Corinne Vien?

  And he did.

• 1:03:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very cute.

• 1:03:45Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so the five main buildings are interconnected through underground tunnels.

• 1:03:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:49Corinne Vien?

  I only learned about the tunnels after my first semester, but I didn't use them unless I had to. Wait, whoa, they were accessible?

• 1:03:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You would actually use them? Which is probably nice if it's cold.

• 1:03:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's pretty sick.

• 1:04:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:00Corinne Vien?

  So I didn't use them unless I had to because they gave me the heebie-jeebies. And when I said had to, it's because, well, Minnesota winters can be quite brutal. And those tunnels definitely came in handy when you needed to get to class and not freeze your ass off. The tunnels lead to the basement of each building, and in those basements were some offices, some classrooms, the theater department, storage closets. And now, the basement of Nazareth Hall was known to be a hotspot for activity. Naz was the original building, and it was built on this land more than a century ago. People have reported hearing footsteps, seeing apparitions, never really feeling alone, if you know what I mean.

• 1:04:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:35Corinne Vien?

  And as we're walking around in darkness, a few of us stumble across an art studio held for painting and pottery classes. It was at this point in the group that we started to kind of spread out into little groups. In the back of the art studio was a door that led to some random stairwell with spiral stairs going up, and it led to a wooden door. Immediately upon entering the room at the bottom of the staircase, the air became cold, like a see-your-breath-in-the-air cold. It was obvious that this stairwell had been abandoned a long time ago. There were spider webs everywhere, broken glass here and there, graffiti on the walls. I felt a wave of chills through every inch of my body, and we all wondered what was behind that door at the top of the staircase.

• 1:05:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It sounds like a stairwell to nowhere.

• 1:05:19Corinne Vien?

  Right? My husband, James, and our friend, Steve, were brave enough to start to ascend and see if the door could be opened.

• 1:05:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm getting such severe chills.

• 1:05:28Corinne Vien?

  I felt a wave of chills touch every inch of my body.

• 1:05:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what's happening to me right now.

• 1:05:33Corinne Vien?

  I waited at the bottom, though at this point, I'm wishing I hadn't because I really started to get the grapes. Once at the top, James tried to open the door. It was locked. Steve tried. Locked. And at this point, they turned around in defeat and started coming down, when suddenly, three huge bangs come from the other side of the door. We all froze. "Who's there?" yelled Steve in the direction of the door. And then again, three loud bangs. A loud female wail.

• 1:06:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah.

• 1:06:03Corinne Vien?

  But not really so human.

• 1:06:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It reminds me of, um, what's the Airbnb movie?

• 1:06:09Corinne Vien?

  Baby.

• 1:06:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, Barbarian? Barbarian, with like the tunnels.

• 1:06:13Corinne Vien?

  Baby, baby.

• 1:06:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I tried to figure out how to do that as a Halloween costume, but the prosthetics alone.

• 1:06:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I feel like you kind of almost did it with, uh, Gollum.

• 1:06:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it was kind of nude.

• 1:06:22Corinne Vien?

  Or, uh, yeah, you were Gollum.

• 1:06:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Corinne Vien?

  I almost said, wait, no, you were Schmiegels.

• 1:06:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Same thing.

• 1:06:27Corinne Vien?

  Uh, okay. None of us had ever run so fast in our lives. And we ran across the green fields, across a few parking lots. We did not stop until we were all back in the safety of our dorms, and I did not get any sleep that night or for days afterwards. The next morning, Tyler showed us some photos he'd taken that night on the island. And in one of them, you could see a fuzzy white orb that no one could explain away. It was genuinely the scariest thing James and I have ever experienced. And since then, I think we're maybe trauma bonded. Many years later, and we still sometimes reminisce about college and that one fateful night when we met the spirit of Wilhelmina Frances Kuhlbaum. See you on the other side. M.

• 1:07:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I'm not surprised that Wilhelmina is haunting that campus.

• 1:07:10Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 1:07:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would too if I were Wilhelmina.

• 1:07:12Corinne Vien?

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:07:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Pissed the heck off. The one request, to be buried at the chapel and your body's literally exhumed and moved, relocated?

• 1:07:21Corinne Vien?

  Well, it is another thing that's interesting about the afterlife because if you think about like people getting the proper burials that they want for themselves or like within their culture or whatever, you would think, okay, their spirit's at peace. But then, you know, a hundred years later, someone could come across that site and disrupt it. And it's like, where do the spirits go? Are some of them already reincarnated? Do some of them not care? Or are some of them like, "I have been awoken"?

• 1:07:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. I don't know.

• 1:07:46Corinne Vien?

  I don't know either. Creepy. So many college campuses, so many haunted dorm rooms.

• 1:07:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:51Corinne Vien?

  So many, uh, bits of lore. So please email us if you have a story. Anything goes, so it doesn't just have to be from college, but if you have encounters with the paranormal.

• 1:08:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And also, if you went to University of Georgia, we want to hear from you because 45,000 students, I guarantee there's at least one of you who attended that school or worked there who's listening to this podcast right now. So.

• 1:08:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or if you know someone who went there, send this episode to them and then have them let us know what happened.

• 1:08:19Corinne Vien?

  Our email's two girls, one ghost podcast at gmail dot com. You can find it in the show notes. You can find it on social media. You can find it on our website.

• 1:08:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also, if you want episodes one week early and ad-free, plus bonus content, plus witch class and book club, plus we do every week, we have campfire stories where you can come and share your ghost story with us live on Zoom. You can do that on Patreon. It's so much fun over there. It's a great little community.

• 1:08:41Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, please tell your friends and your family about our podcast and strangers. Any, like, find an excuse to be weird and tell them about our podcast because it, that's how we grow. That's how we find, find new victims.

• 1:08:52Corinne Vien?

  Because the people are doing it on the paranormal activity Broadway side.

• 1:08:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You can be doing it-

• 1:08:57Corinne Vien?

  You should be doing it too.

• 1:08:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  On the subway.

• 1:08:59Corinne Vien?

  On your way to taste test New York versus New Jersey bagels.

• 1:09:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As you're ordering a Jersey Mike's sandwich, tell the sandwich maker about Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 1:09:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, there's literally no reason not to.

• 1:09:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm promoting it on dating apps, so you guys can do it. If I don't find a boyfriend or a husband, at least I'm telling everyone about Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 1:09:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's guerrilla marketing.

• 1:09:21Corinne Vien?

  And thank you to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast.

• 1:09:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you all very, very much.

• 1:09:25Corinne Vien?

  And we will see you on the other side.

• 1:09:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Go dogs!

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