Encounters x308 - Wicked Little Spirits

We’re diving headfirst into one of our favorite topics — creepy kids. From ghostly playmates in mirrors to toddlers who see more than they should, this episode is packed with spine-tingling, goosebump-inducing listener stories that are both sweet and sinister. Get ready to whisper “nope” into the void with us as we meet the pint-sized spirits that haunt bedrooms, mirrors, and playgrounds. Stories include: A hauntingly beautiful encounter with a familial spirit attached to a mirror. A 3 a.m. walk to the local playground turns into a chase from a pale, pajama-clad child. A baby’s piano that refuses to stay quiet, even at 1 a.m. A near-tragic game of “let’s play” with a spectral boy and a window that leads eight floors down. Get a bonus story from this episode by joining our Only Fantoms tier on Patreon. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited by Jaimi Ryan and produced by Emma Leventer and Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:05Corinne Vien?

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• 0:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 0:47Corinne Vien?

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• 1:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Receive $300 off Prenuvo whole body scans and executive and comprehensive memberships through January 31st. For full details, visit Prenuvo's website to read their terms and conditions and privacy notice. Prenuvo gifted me a whole body scan. A Prenuvo scan is a screening service, not diagnostic. Diagnosis and treatment are determined by your healthcare provider.

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• 2:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey everyone, it's

• 2:05Corinne Vien?

  Hey friends!

• 2:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Us, Sabrina and Corinne. Before we get into this-

• 2:10Corinne Vien?

  Why did this feel awkward?

• 2:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm sorry if I'm making you uncomfortable. We're trying to make you feel comfortable with things that people have questions about.

• 2:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Before we get into this awesome episode of Two Girls One Ghost, we wanted to give you a couple quick little updates from the studio.

• 2:27Corinne Vien?

  You ask, we answer. Or you're confused, we try to help you be less confused.

• 2:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes. So basically, we just launched Apple Plus subscriptions, which doesn't change anything for you who listen on Apple Podcasts at all. If anything-

• 2:43Corinne Vien?

  The schedule's still exactly the same. You still get episodes the exact-

• 2:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exact same day.

• 2:48Corinne Vien?

  Same week and day that you normally would.

• 2:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thursdays are encounters, Sundays are regular episodes. Once a month, you get a haunted with. Nothing has changed. But you can pay an Apple Plus subscription to get episodes one week early and ad-free, plus get one bonus episode per month, should you choose. So if you're seeing-

• 3:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, those things already existed for a long time over on Patreon. So if people want to join Patreon, there's a bunch of other options on Patreon too, and like extra bonuses and stuff. But those episodes existed one week early and ad-free over on Patreon, but now we're just also including them on Apple. If there's anyone who, for some reason, doesn't want to join Patreon, but just wants to listen in the podcast app on Apple.

• 3:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or you're listening on audio and you're like, "I want to listen without ads." That you have it as an available option to you. So if you're seeing on your Apple feed that an episode is available, but you have to unlock it, it's not because it's only for subscribers, it is just one week early and ad-free. And you can get access to it if you would like, but you don't have to.

• 3:51Corinne Vien?

  Hope that helps.

• 3:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe that gave you more questions.

• 3:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let us know.

• 3:55Corinne Vien?

  Are we good at explaining this?

• 3:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We are here to answer whatever questions or qualms you have, unless it has to do with who we are personally. We can't change that. Sorry.

• 4:04Corinne Vien?

  No, then you could just gossip on Reddit.

• 4:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  [laughing]

• 4:06Corinne Vien?

  Amongst yourselves.

• 4:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or listen to something else.

• 4:10Corinne Vien?

  But the holidays are coming up. And so our Patreon members already know this because it's something that happens annually. And we have discussed it over on there. But if you're not yet Patreon member and you're thinking about it, we do send an annual holiday card.

• 4:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We do.

• 4:22Corinne Vien?

  So if you would like this year's holiday card, just make sure to join Patreon by November 24th with your address so we can send you some snail mail.

• 4:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 4:32Corinne Vien?

  Spoiler alert, it'll be a picture of us.

• 4:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A couple of pictures of us with a cute little message from us.

• 4:39Corinne Vien?

  Okay, thanks.

• 4:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To the episode.

• 4:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey.

• 4:45Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 4:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ho.

• 4:47Corinne Vien?

  Heyo.

• 4:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It started.

• 4:49Corinne Vien?

  You moved. It went, it was resting on my breast and I did not think our editor would appreciate that. This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 4:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost and one boob.

• 4:59Corinne Vien?

  Two girls, one uniboob. I kind of have a uniboob in a way.

• 5:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you?

• 5:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, well, you know, we have listeners that aren't just female. We maybe shouldn't get into this.

• 5:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But maybe they like boobs. Do you like boobs?

• 5:11Corinne Vien?

  Do you want to hear about my uniboob?

• 5:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I do. Well, also Corinne is talking about her uniboob. Sabrina is enjoying Corinne talk about her uniboob.

• 5:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's the two voices that you're hearing. Did we say this is Two Girls, One Ghost?

• 5:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you just said it.

• 5:21Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 5:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, because it led to the uniboob.

• 5:23Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, it's like just slightly, if you push like right in between, it doesn't hit just bone. There's like, it goes in just slightly. It's like my skin is like so pulled taut.

• 5:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So you have skin.

• 5:34Corinne Vien?

  That there's like a little bit of extra. Yeah, I guess there's not breast in there, but like.

• 5:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe it's breast tissue, we don't know.

• 5:39Corinne Vien?

  Maybe.

• 5:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't know.

• 5:40Corinne Vien?

  A third boob.

• 5:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One girl, three boobs.

• 5:44Corinne Vien?

  Mommy now.

• 5:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually really do appreciate people who have been calling us mothers.

• 5:48Corinne Vien?

  Mothers, oh, you know what? I did get insulted by my own child who has not yet called me mama. But today Brian said something about a cow. Do you want to find your cow? And he turned and pointed at me.

• 6:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is that an insult or is that the nicest thing ever?

• 6:03Corinne Vien?

  I don't know.

• 6:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You love cows.

• 6:05Corinne Vien?

  I do love cows.

• 6:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you moo.

• 6:07Corinne Vien?

  He loves cows.

• 6:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You probably mooed him a lot.

• 6:09Corinne Vien?

  I do moo and I did make milk at one point, so.

• 6:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So you've got others.

• 6:13Corinne Vien?

  Damn, to be roasted like that by your sixteen month old. Can't say mama skips over me when I'm asking who anyone is in every photo, doesn't care.

• 6:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But there's the cow.

• 6:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh, the cow's in the kitchen. She's over there.

• 6:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that so much.

• 6:29Corinne Vien?

  Thanks.

• 6:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's actually a great segue into today's theme for encounters. It's creepy kids. Does your kid call you a cow? Or do they say, there's a ghost under my bed and I'm staring at you?

• 6:40Corinne Vien?

  Well.

• 6:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, maybe both.

• 6:42Corinne Vien?

  Okay, this is called The Little Girl in the Mirror. I recently found your podcast about a month ago and I've been obsessed ever since. I'm currently listening to episode 10 as I type this. That is wild.

• 6:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I really, truly, after listening back to that one episode, I don't know how anyone has made it through here because while you exude great storytelling, I exuded insecurity, instability.

• 7:05Corinne Vien?

  That's wild.

• 7:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Insanity.

• 7:07Corinne Vien?

  I never, no way.

• 7:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even with editing.

• 7:10Corinne Vien?

  I haven't listened back, but I don't think so.

• 7:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I sound terrible. So.

• 7:13Corinne Vien?

  Okay, but also.

• 7:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you all for listening.

• 7:14Corinne Vien?

  It was because you refused to commit to a better microphone after I had one for a long time.

• 7:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it has nothing to do with what I sound like. It has to do with how I speak.

• 7:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that makes me sad. I think you're just being hard on yourself.

• 7:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, someone, someone literally at our live show said, it's been so amazing to see, like, I can hear your confidence, like, you've come into yourself. And I was like.

• 7:36Corinne Vien?

  That's really nice. To watch your journey.

• 7:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you stick around long enough.

• 7:41Corinne Vien?

  She speaks with conviction now. Okay, this story is about the most paranormal encounter I've ever experienced. Let me start by describing a little about who I am.

• 7:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 7:52Corinne Vien?

  Hi, my name is Edith.

• 7:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi, Edith.

• 7:55Corinne Vien?

  I come from a Mexican family and I live close to the border. We visit my grandparents often in Mexico, and let me say this. Mexican culture I can attest to. It has many beautiful traditions with so many cultural and spiritual significance, but we are no strangers to the paranormal. Growing up, I learned paranormal does not necessarily mean scary. And ever since I was little, I've always been told, fear the living, not the dead, is they can't hurt you like the living.

• 8:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually really do agree with that.

• 8:23Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. Usually.

• 8:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. The living is-

• 8:26Corinne Vien?

  Ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine percent of the time.

• 8:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, and the dead can be scary, but the living is more harmful.

• 8:33Corinne Vien?

  Yes, well, and the dead were once living. So it's like you get the evils of the living. Yes, true. Okay. Ever since I can remember, I've considered myself a susceptible person to and for spirits. When I grew up, I always felt like there was someone who wasn't there somehow watching me. And as I entered a new place, no one else could see them, but I could feel them. The cozy and beautiful home of my grandparents, where this story takes place, was no exception to this feeling. Many of my hometown friends can also attest to having experienced something paranormal happen to them after meeting me. And I do feel like this is connected to this particular spirit.

• 9:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love, like, if you want to have a ghost experience.

• 9:13Corinne Vien?

  A friend, Edith.

• 9:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Go ahead, Edith.

• 9:15Corinne Vien?

  Continuing, I was about seven or eight years old and we were staying at my grandparents' house in Mexico. The room was tiny, no privacy room. And the best way I can describe it was there was no door. It's kind of in the middle of the hallway by the stairs, meaning you'd have to go through my room to get to the stairs and to the second floor. There was a bed, a closet, and a mirror of vanity. Now, that vanity, specifically the mirror, is one that's important in this story. And a little backstory about this mirror is that my grandma's neighbor, who is my uncle, he has a kid, so my cousin, and this kid is a couple of years older than me. This mirror belonged to him at first, and every time I would go visit the house, the mirror would always be covered with something, like a towel, a bed sheet, a blanket, et cetera.

• 9:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Suss. He used to say, I don't like it when I see the little girl. And we all grew up-

• 10:01Corinne Vien?

  Really close and many times we would tell each other the stories or myths or legends of La Yorona, La Nahua La, Duendes and so on. And so I always thought this comment about the girl in the mirror was just another attempt to scare us. So I never really believed it.

• 10:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's one thing for it to be an attempt to scare you by just saying like, oh, I don't like the little girl I see in the reflection, but taking the extra step of constantly covering this mirror.

• 10:24Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 10:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Means it's real. It's not just a fear tactic.

• 10:28Corinne Vien?

  So this particular occasion, my uncle and my cousin were renovating their home. They had handed the mirror to my mom and she later put it in my room by the edge of my bed, not directly, but at an angle. So you could see the mirror from the bed. I never believed my cousin's story to be true. It was nothing to be scared of. Maybe just the mirror. But I was asleep one night when I had the feeling of someone staring at me. And so I woke up and there at the edge of my bed, between the bed and the mirror, was a little girl who weirdly resembled my face now that I look back at it. She was wearing white and a pink ruffle dress, standing there, staring at me.

• 11:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is this something you own now?

• 11:09Corinne Vien?

  Not looking evil, but almost translucent and with a curious stare towards me. Wait, if she looks like her, but she was a little girl. This now makes me think like, what if this is her daughter? Her child. Watching her.

• 11:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's kind of cute.

• 11:23Corinne Vien?

  From what I remembered, I, well, also, okay, now I'm interrupting myself again. But also like this was in the family. This was the cousins. And so it does make me wonder like, what if this was an ancestor too? Because

• 11:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 11:33Corinne Vien?

  I feel like sometimes it takes a few generations, but if you look like four or five generations back, it'll be like, oh my god, you're like the twin of your great, great, great grandmother.

• 11:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:42Corinne Vien?

  From what I can remember, I stared at this little girl confused as I'd just woken up and I wasn't really feeling scared. She then told me, come on, Edith, let's play.

• 11:55Corinne Vien?

  To which I replied, "We can't. It's night." Without thinking, I was now realizing I was speaking to a translucent little girl. Then curiosity got to me and I had to ask this girl how she knew my name and what was her name? To which she replied, "My name is Maria. I'm always here, you see? I'm always watching and keeping an eye out for you."

• 12:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So creepy, but also that's such a nice message.

• 12:20Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 12:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  "I'm always keeping an eye out for you."

• 12:23Corinne Vien?

  And she probably didn't say it as creepy as I did.

• 12:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, but I liked it. Theater.

• 12:27Corinne Vien?

  I wish I could tell you that I got scared and that she vanished, that she got back into the mirror. But truly, I don't know. I blinked. She was gone. So naturally, I assumed that I must have just dreamt it, and so I fell back asleep. Weeks passed, and I didn't mention this to anyone because, again, I thought that this whole interaction was a dream. Then November 2nd. A Mexican, and some of you may or may not know, but all Mexicans know what November 2nd is. Day of the Dead. Dia de los Muertos. A beautiful celebration said to bring our past loved ones from the spiritual realm to visit us just for one night. People put up altars, ofrendas, for their loved ones to come home to. So we used to go to the cemetery to spend some time with our loved ones during the day,

• 13:11Corinne Vien?

  and then we would put up an altar, which we considered a portal for them to cross over to in our homes. This particular Day of the Dead, I accompanied my mom and my grandma to the cemetery, as my grandma liked to put freshly plated flowers on the tombs of family members. I've gone with them to this place before. However, this was the first time that my grandma said, at the very end of our visit to the cemetery, she was going to go see La Niña, the little girl. I asked my mom who La Niña was, as I'd never heard of her before, and I thought that we had already visited all of our past family members. And my grandma got a head start a couple of feet in front of us, and we're walking behind her. My mom explained to me that before my mom was born,

• 13:55Corinne Vien?

  my grandparents had a little girl who had been born stillborn, who they had buried there with my grandma's family. As we approached the tombstone, this tiny tombstone, a newborn's tombstone.

• 14:09Corinne Vien?

  It was so tiny. The grass almost covered the entire tombstone. It had been at least thirty two years since she had passed, considering that my mom is now thirty. We got to this tombstone. They removed all the veins and the grass covering the name. And that is when I saw it. Maria. She was the little girl. My mom's sister, my aunt. I just had the feeling that I knew she was the one from the mirror. I came home that day, sprinted over to talk to my older cousin, who had said all those years before about the little girl being in his mirror. So I asked him about his mirror, not giving too much detail. But just that I had an interaction with her and I saw her name on a tombstone. And he simply smiled at me and said, oh, so you saw her too, right?

• 14:54Corinne Vien?

  The little girl with the white and pink dress. You saw her, right? I hadn't said anything about her dress or the colors, so I knew that he wasn't lying. He too saw Maria. Maybe she'd interacted with him a bunch before. So I told him everything and we felt like we finally had somehow figured out that this person was protecting us. He also said that the mirror would make noises at night. And it does. Kind of sounds like a mouse is scratching on the wood drawers. But there's nothing in them. I never did see the little girl again. Years later, the mirror is still in my room in my grandparents' house. I grew accustomed to hearing the scratching noises and even sometimes I would call out loud to her, say, I know, I heard you. I know you're here. Can you stop the noises?

• 15:38Corinne Vien?

  And the noises would stop. So she would stop, I guess. She hasn't interacted with anyone else since, or so I've been told. Even though I haven't seen her for years, I've never been comfortable staring at myself too long in this mirror. Maybe it's because I know someone else is in there staring back. I don't know. And I don't know if either my grandma or my mom have seen her. I don't think so. They would have mentioned something, but again, I don't know. I saw a photo of my mom when she was around the age of six, which is around the age that I saw Maria appear in the mirror. And they look like twins, which is fair, considering that they are both sisters. And people later in life told me that my mom, when she was born, had been identical to Maria when she was born.

• 16:21Corinne Vien?

  Hope you enjoyed this story. Best wishes. Love the podcast and its listeners. Love. Edith.

• 16:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's very sad, but I do love that there's an answer to this. And this almost is more heartwarming, which I saw that people are requesting more heartwarming stories. And while I can't promise the rest of this episode is going to be heartwarming.

• 16:39Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I will start delivering those.

• 16:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I did set the next encounters episode theme to be heartwarming.

• 16:44Corinne Vien?

  Heartwarming? Okay, great.

• 16:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So we will deliver that to you. But this one is really heartwarming and it's, while it's sad and like it involves the loss of a child, I love that there's an answer, that the spirit said her name was Maria and Edith then got the answer, who it is.

• 17:02Corinne Vien?

  And it's almost like she was waiting for just the recognition of who she was to be satisfied.

• 17:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or also just.

• 17:08Corinne Vien?

  She was appearing.

• 17:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's going to continue to look out for them.

• 17:12Corinne Vien?

  Right. But it seems like she appeared a bunch to the other cousin.

• 17:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:15Corinne Vien?

  Because he was so scared. So maybe she just needed the moment to be like, no, no, no.

• 17:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know who I am.

• 17:20Corinne Vien?

  It's me, Maria.

• 17:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I'm not here to scare you.

• 17:22Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm.

• 17:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 17:23Corinne Vien?

  So I read that line wrong. It shouldn't have been creepy. She should have said, my name's Maria. I'm always here, you see? I'm always watching and I keep an eye out for you.

• 17:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not, I keep an eye out for you.

• 17:36Corinne Vien?

  I'm watching you. Shout out to Maria.

• 17:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so excited. I'm getting my whole body MRI scan from Prenuvo in a couple of weeks.

• 17:46Corinne Vien?

  It's honestly so important. And it's like one of those things where getting older and aging has provided me so many anxieties about like what's going on.

• 17:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I recently had some medical issues in my family and everyone in my family is like, let's just do everything we can to get ahead and take our own health into our own hands. Prenuvo's whole body scan is a radiation free MRI designed to help provide a detailed, non-invasive look at your body in under an hour. And it helps evaluate across major organs and systems, including the brain, spine, abdomen, pelvis, and more. Prenuvo's whole body scan can help detect many cancers, aneurysms, and hundreds of other conditions. And they have memberships that bundle MRI scans, blood panels, and a personalized results review to track your health year after year.

• 18:28Corinne Vien?

  To learn more about Prenuvo and get $300 off your whole body MRI, go to prenuvo.com/tgog and use code TGOG. That's P R E N U V O dot com slash T G O G. Terms and conditions apply.

• 18:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Receive $300 off Prenewvo whole body scans and executive and comprehensive memberships through January 31st. For full details, visit Prenewvo's website to read their terms and conditions and privacy notice. Prenewvo gifted me a whole body scan. A Prenewvo scan is a screening service, not diagnostic. Diagnosis and treatment are determined by your healthcare provider.

• 18:59Speaker 02

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• 19:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, I have one that's not so heartwarming, but it's from my listener, Jalen, who is a brand new listener.

• 19:31Corinne Vien?

  Wow. Hi, Jalen.

• 19:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey.

• 19:34Corinne Vien?

  Thanks for emailing.

• 19:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey, Ghostesses. I just started listening to girls, and now it's all I do. You help me get back into witchy things and haunted vibes is all I crave now. I listen to you while I'm studying and when I'm home alone. Great. So I have a couple of things here and there that have happened at my old house that is haunted, and here are two major stories. The first story happened when I was around 16, maybe. I was at a sleepover with my best friend, who sadly has since passed away. And our other friend. So it was just the three of us. My best friend, her name is Anna, and I loved to walk around her neighborhood at night. I know it's sketchy, but she lived in a nice neighborhood, so we weren't worried about people interrupting us. But me, I lived in a haunted house, so I was more worried about paranormal things happening. That night, all three of us snuck out at around 3 a.m.

• 20:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and we went walking. There's a park in this neighborhood, and there's a spooky dark road next to a line of trees to get there. I hated this road because it gave me the heebie-jeebies, as it would anyone. There's a park right next to the houses, like the park is practically in their backyard. There's a parking lot with a median, and on the right side were the tennis courts and a basketball court. We decided to sit in the basketball court because it was too dark near the playground, and we were honestly too scared at our grown age of 16. Plus, the basketball court was fenced, so we'd have a layer of protection from whatever was out there. So now, the real story begins. All three of us are sitting, we're talking on the ground, when I just happened to look up and I see something. Something is over by the playground.

• 21:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A little boy in pajamas, walking toward the side. I immediately tap my friends and I get their attention. Y'all, what the fuck is that?

• 21:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They look, and this little boy curls up on the side. We're immediately spooked, but I guess womenly instincts kicked in because I get the idea to just get a little bit closer and see if it's a real kid. I mean, if it is, it's 3 a.m. Is he okay?

• 21:25Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 21:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I open the gate.

• 21:27Corinne Vien?

  And like, he could be spooked too. Like, he's curling up on the slide, like, oh no, people are coming.

• 21:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or even, like, he ran away from home and now he's curling up on the side, sleeping there, you know?

• 21:35Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 21:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, that is something that, like, a young kid, I feel like, would do. So, I open the gate, I walk towards the median that divides us. It's brightly lit by street lamps. I yell out, "Hey, are you all right? Are you lost or something?" This boy slowly sits up, but he doesn't say anything. I'm terrified. It's 3 a.m. and we're by ourselves and there's this random kid out here freaking us out. I back up and I start telling my friends that we should go. I said, "I don't know what the fuck that is." So they immediately start packing up our stuff and we get our things together and start speedwalking out of there. Of course, we kind of have to pass the playground to leave the park. And as we're leaving, I'm watching the kid. I have my eyes on him. And he completely vanishes, as I'm looking at him.

• 22:18Corinne Vien?

  Okay, honestly, this is best-case scenario because I was really nervous that there was a child, that they were just spooked enough that they just left a kid who maybe did need help.

• 22:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it gets worse. It's scarier. It's the paranormal scary. I kid you not, I swear, I watched him completely disappear. So I report this to my friends and we walk even faster. And all of a sudden, he reappears from the ground and starts sprinting at us.

• 22:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We freaking book it dude, screaming and high tailing it out of there. We get back to the main neighborhood road with the lights and immediately we start talking about it. We all saw the same exact thing. We all witnessed him disappear and reappear and saw him start sprinting directly at us. We thought maybe he was sleepwalking and that he ended up at the park or he snuck out of play. But what scared me into not believing any of that was that his complexion was gray.

• 23:07Corinne Vien?

  Oh, this poor baby.

• 23:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He was all gray, like there was no color to him at all, not even the pajamas, not the blanket he had with him, nothing. It was all fucking terrifying and it spooks me out just reliving this. It was one of the scariest encounters, but like I said, I live in a haunted house, so I have more. The other scary-ish story I have was with two different friends. I like how we both picked, not necessarily creepy kids, but ghost kids. For these ones, because I think my next one is creepy kid. Okay, so this next story I have is with two different friends. I live in Richmond Hill, which is like five minutes from Savannah and there's a military base that has park areas and a major river. I can't think of the name, but you can access whatever. All three of us decided, let's be spooky and we drive out there at night.

• 23:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We sat at a picnic table, just chilling, decided to walk to the dock, look at the river. So we all walked to the end of the dock, we're making jokes, laughing when I saw something floating in the river. I pointed out to the rest of us and we all three see it. It looked like a body wrapped in a cloth. We knew what it looked like, but never mentioned it out loud. We just watched it float past us on the opposite side of the river and then it disappeared. So we decided pretty easily that yeah, it's time to leave and we left and never mentioned it again. So now my last couple of encounters, it's what I want to mention from my haunted house. And content warning, this does involve death by suicide because there was a man who was in the military who had died

• 24:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  in the house that I previously lived in and he died by suicide. We knew this because our neighbor who had lived there when the man died, saw the ambulance and everything.

• 24:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So a couple of short things, I do think the spirit is pretty nice. He didn't terrorize us, but definitely made it known he was there. One night I had Christmas lights hanging up and a section of them fell down and I was too lazy to hang them back up. So they were down for a day or two and never did anything weird. But one night I'm half asleep and I hear a whooshing sound. I look over to see the light swishing back and forth in the corner. There's no wind, nothing, no fan overhead, but just for a good three minutes, these things are swishing back and forth, being moved on my wall. So I get up and I hang them back up, which I imagine means the guy is like, fix these lights, get your room back in order.

• 25:20Corinne Vien?

  He's also like standing right there. Like you're like on top of each other now.

• 25:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I saw a white figure mist walk into my closet one time and a black mist in the same closet. One night I was sitting in my chair in my room upstairs when my mom came in and asked me to stop stomping around up here. I said, what? I've been sitting here reading the whole time. She said that she was downstairs right below my bedroom and it sounded like a herd of elephants stomping up here. I was terrified and went downstairs with my mom because I was too scared to be alone. I remember that. Alrighty, it's currently 2:56 a.m. and I'm delirious. So I hope you guys enjoyed the experience of the ghost kid. And I can't wait to hear your thoughts. Stay spooky. See you on the other side. Jalen.

• 25:59Corinne Vien?

  That is really spooky, especially in the middle of the night. But then this also makes me sad for this kid because I'm like, what happened?

• 26:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 26:06Corinne Vien?

  What happened to him? I, this is like something that has been affecting me a lot. Like I feel really sorry for ghost children, but I feel like I actually, over the past year.

• 26:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Motherhood?

• 26:18Corinne Vien?

  It must be. I like can't consume true crime that has anything to do with kids.

• 26:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 26:24Corinne Vien?

  Like it's like it deeply affects me. Like last night I like spiraled and got so teary and in this like horrible depression from a true crime story that I'd heard about years ago about a toddler. It just like re-entered my mind. And I was like, I, like, this is horrifying. I can't believe anyone could possibly do this to anybody.

• 26:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 26:44Corinne Vien?

  So now I'm like, what happened to this kid? Who's just trying to be on the playground and he's going to the blankie.

• 26:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. It's interesting because you, you used to have the outlook of any ghost kid was a demon. And I feel like that has changed significantly since you've become a mother.

• 27:00Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. I'm so sensitive now. I used to be hard, hardcore, no emotions.

• 27:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But now you're a mother. No, it does make me sad because it does sound a lot like a kid who ran away from home, curled up in the slide. And like, what happened to them?

• 27:16Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 27:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they're scared.

• 27:19Corinne Vien?

  I have to move on from this story. I'm sorry. I can't.

• 27:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, tell us a different one.

• 27:23Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Ghost with abandonment issues?

• 27:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is this gonna help? I feel like this is gonna make it worse.

• 27:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh, they're all bad because it's themed kids.

• 27:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but if you did a creepy kid, that's less, that's less.

• 27:37Corinne Vien?

  This is creepy adjacent.

• 27:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, okay.

• 27:39Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Hi, friends. I love the podcast and the community that you've created. I've been listening since the beginning and I feel like we went through all the big life steps together. From working and being in grad school, listening to Corinne talk about the same thing, wedding planning, early motherhood, homeownership. I feel like all of us are just friends every time we listen.

• 27:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Insecurity. It sounds like you relate to Corinne and then it's like, there's that bitch over there. Divorce.

• 28:04Corinne Vien?

  Which half the people, fifty percent of the people are also going through.

• 28:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Some people relate.

• 28:11Corinne Vien?

  So my story is kind of a combination of a lot of little things. For some backstory, I moved into my house in December of 2022. Our house is old, but it's not that old. It was built in the 30s, so there's plenty of time for ghosts still.

• 28:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anything can be haunted. Anywhere is haunted.

• 28:25Corinne Vien?

  When we first moved in, I noticed that I would hear some sort of like fun, swanky cocktail music playing really faintly.

• 28:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that.

• 28:34Corinne Vien?

  Wait, that's crazy because remember I went through a period of, I kept hearing like jazz, old jazz music?

• 28:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You also were hearing like leprechaun music.

• 28:41Corinne Vien?

  Well, that's Irish. So, so sorry for insulting the Irish.

• 28:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, you heard like little voices too.

• 28:47Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was like the combination. It was here.

• 28:50Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 28:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:50Corinne Vien?

  Sometimes I get confused what happened where. It sounded like a pretty little song and I opened the window wanting to hear more and for it to be louder. But that's when I noticed that the music was coming actually from inside of my house. So I walked around everywhere trying to see if I could hear it from any certain point and it seemed like it was coming from the den. And it felt really nice, bright, fun, that sort of energy. It didn't feel menacing at all. And then a few days later, I was taking pictures of my cat in the den and I noticed that there were some pictures that were out of focus, but all of these pictures had colored orbs in them. Of course, I Googled it and the green and orange orbs mean healing, comfort, psychic development, and basically all around good vibes.

• 29:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 29:34Corinne Vien?

  So this fit perfectly with the music and the energy that I was feeling a few days before. And there were never really anything else that happened since moving in besides the music and the positive feeling in the air. But then about two years later, I found out that I was pregnant and my baby was born the day before Halloween.

• 29:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spooky.

• 29:51Corinne Vien?

  Already obsessed with cats.

• 29:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love.

• 29:54Corinne Vien?

  So needless to say, she fits right in with the spooky club. Anyway, we decided to sell this house about seven months after she was born. And that is when things started to pick up.

• 30:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 30:04Corinne Vien?

  I was showering and my comb that I have hanging on a square pole started to swing around. And I thought, hmm, that's weird. And then I kept showering. It started swinging even harder back and forth now. And guys, this is a square, AKA a flat pole. It's almost impossible for something to swing on it. It is square. I turned around and I finished my showering pretending like I didn't notice this because new moms rarely get to enjoy a hot shower. So I was like, I'm not wasting this time that I have.

• 30:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:36Corinne Vien?

  And after I got out, I went to the comb and tried to swing it to see if I could make it swing like it was before. And it just fell straight onto the ground. So, cool, cool, cool.

• 30:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 30:46Corinne Vien?

  Other small things like the closet door opening during the night, my baby smiling and waving at empty corners. And weird noises have since started to happen.

• 30:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They don't want you to leave.

• 30:58Corinne Vien?

  I have been ignoring it, but then there was last night. Our friend gave us one of those play pianos for my baby. It has a hard plastic switch that you move back and forth to turn it on and off. It's pretty hard to move, so my baby can't really do it alone. And it can't accidentally be turned on by the cats.

• 31:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 31:15Corinne Vien?

  Well, around 1:00 AM, we were all asleep when that thing started to play on full blast.

• 31:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah.

• 31:22Corinne Vien?

  Not only did it turn on, but it was switching back and forth between instrument types. So piano, saxophone, xylophone, violin, back to piano and playing real music.

• 31:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like someone was actually playing.

• 31:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Confused and half asleep, I got up and turned off the white noise machine, thinking that maybe that was the problem. It was glitching or something. Then my husband wakes up, looks at me and goes, it's the piano downstairs.

• 31:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 31:47Corinne Vien?

  We just stared at each other for a minute before I go, well, that's creepy. I'm not going down there. It'll eventually turn off and I crawl back into bed.

• 31:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fair.

• 31:56Corinne Vien?

  It played for maybe thirty more seconds before it turned off. You know, I never understood parents in horror movies ignoring things and going back to bed, but now after not sleeping through the night for almost a year, I completely get it. No one has the energy for ghost hunting at 1 a.m.

• 32:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 32:13Corinne Vien?

  Anyways, the house closes in three weeks, so let's hope the ghost doesn't start stepping up the abandonment temper tantrums.

• 32:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 32:21Corinne Vien?

  And that they like the buyer. See you on the other side, Kendra.

• 32:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, we're gonna have to get an update because this was sent in the summer. It's been a couple of months.

• 32:29Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. And it's like, is your child still waving at nothing? Like, did the ghosts follow you? Do you have new ghosts?

• 32:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or is your kid just a creepy kid and ghosts?

• 32:39Corinne Vien?

  Just sees the dead people.

• 32:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, sees the ghosts around. Interesting.

• 32:43Corinne Vien?

  Learns piano from a ghost.

• 32:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean.

• 32:47Corinne Vien?

  Musical prodigy and you're like, actually, she's just been taught by spirits for years.

• 32:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Prodigies are, that's a whole.

• 32:54Corinne Vien?

  That's spooky.

• 32:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Supernatural category.

• 32:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. What do you, or like, what plane are you tapping into?

• 33:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. It's so, it's like down a dark hall.

• 33:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 33:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or who's tapping into you? That wasn't a terrifying story.

• 33:08Corinne Vien?

  No, no, it was creepy kid adjacent. Where I was like, you know, there's spirits around a kid who can see them.

• 33:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the house likes the ghosts or likes you as a family.

• 33:15Corinne Vien?

  The toys are being played with.

• 33:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, they don't want you to leave.

• 33:17Corinne Vien?

  It's the making, this is the beginnings of a creepy kid.

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• 34:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, here's another creepy kid. This is titled, "Am I the Black Eyed Child?" Sleepwalking.

• 34:26Corinne Vien?

  Am I the problem?

• 34:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Am I the problem? Yes, the answer is yes, correct you are, Taylor Orte. We get to call you by your nickname. It's called, "Am I the Black Eyed Child, Sleepwalking and Other Things?" Hello, ghostly ladies. Here's a story that I was reminded of while listening to Encounters 232 that I guess I blocked out. I too sleptwalked as a child. And apparently, I scared the shit out of my mom, much like the one listener's story Corinne shared. I guess I was just meant to be spooky in life. What can I say? So, I was at around age three to five when these events occurred and my mom and I were living alone in an apartment. So, she's a single mother raising her one heathen of a child. Who's me, that's me, I'm the heathen.

• 35:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My mom used to tell me stories about how she would be woken up by me, sitting on top of her in bed. I'd be prying open her eyelids with my little fingers and my face was inches away from her face, uttering the most terrifying phrase you could probably imagine. "I see you."

• 35:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As Noah's like, "Yeah." Could you imagine, like, your eyelids being pried open by your creepy little child?

• 35:34Corinne Vien?

  And that would be so scary too, if you're like in a deep sleep, to just be awoken like that. I will say, I don't think that that will ever happen to me because our floors are so creaky and old. Like, you can't step a foot without it squeaking. I'll hear anyone coming.

• 35:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, what's worse is by the time my mom would fully open her eyes, I would be nowhere in sight.

• 35:54Corinne Vien?

  What the fuck?

• 35:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She would get out of bed and go check on me and this all occurred between midnight to 3 a.m. She would get to my room, she was hoping to be on my ass about being awake, but I would be fully asleep, fast asleep in my bed.

• 36:05Corinne Vien?

  Wait, I don't know, were you sleepwalking or were you like astral projecting?

• 36:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or is there a mimic?

• 36:11Corinne Vien?

  In your astral body being... Ooh.

• 36:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There was zero indication that I had possibly been awake, not even for five minutes. This happened so many times and I personally can never remember doing it, but my mom can never forget.

• 36:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh my gosh, wait, that's so creepy.

• 36:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I do think-

• 36:27Corinne Vien?

  There's no way it was them. Like, how do you?

• 36:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I, I don't know.

• 36:30Corinne Vien?

  I see you, mom opens, like, mom's eyes are being opened.

• 36:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she's gone.

• 36:34Corinne Vien?

  So by the time the other eye opens.

• 36:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Little Tay is literally on top of her mom. So like, her, her mom can feel her, like, her body on top of her. I do think that what made the situation even scarier is just, you know, my general appearance. I have very dark hair and dark eyes that are nearly black, thanks to my indigenous genetics, for making me a real-life, walking, black-eyed child. So, however, there are some events from living in this apartment during this time that I do remember, and for some reason, they all occurred in that same room that was my mom's bedroom for the majority of the time. We did even switch at one point, and as you'll see, we switched back. One event from my possible sleepwalking that I remember, and my mom does as well, is that we pieced together later in years and considered the possibility that this wasn't a dream,

• 37:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and if it was, how the heck do we explain it? Because we shared the exact dream and exact experience from two different points of view on the same night. This story occurred one night when my mom was woken up by the sounds of me walking around in the hallway right outside of her door. We both slept with our bedroom doors open, so my mom opens her eyes and sees me padding around the hallway with some thing, or things, that I was dancing and playing with.

• 37:48Corinne Vien?

  What the?

• 37:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My mom also remembers there was this red hue to the scene, like, it was backlit by a red light.

• 37:56Corinne Vien?

  This, like, also reminds me of Haunting of Hill House. I feel like we were referencing it a lot recently, but like, the scene where the mom is dancing and like, waltzing through-

• 38:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 38:04Corinne Vien?

  -the abandoned home.

• 38:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She couldn't explain what she was seeing, but she knew it made her very uncomfortable and felt not right, and that whatever I was interacting with in this dream was not human. And she felt as if she was not supposed to be seeing this. It also feels very nutcracker-y.

• 38:19Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She summed it up to a side effect of her migraine medication, or just a very vivid dream. But now from my side of things, I remember being in the hallway, interacting with a small little gremlin. These things were dancing and jumping around, pulling at me, and they were fun. But at the same time, I didn't like them, and they were human, just like my mom had observed. I remember all of this happening in a very red, like hue, like there was a glow over everything, making the shadows of myself and these entities look even darker and bigger. But I kept this to myself for a very long time because I considered, I'm just a child, and I was easily scared, and my mind could conjure this myself. But it wasn't until a few years ago that my mom brought it up, and I basically finished her sentences, and we shared a look of what the fuck.

• 39:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So we experienced the exact same thing.

• 39:07Corinne Vien?

  This reminds me so much of like you and your dad.

• 39:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Okay, one last story about this apartment, and again, that particular room. I remember playing in the room, and there were windows on the walls, one looked out to the back of the apartment and one to the side of the apartment as we were on an end unit. I remember looking up to the window that was on the wall that looked out to the side of the apartment, and I saw a man looking into the window, his face pressed against the glass staring directly at me. I screamed bloody murder, because I have a good set of lungs, and my mother ran up immediately. But she couldn't understand what I was screaming at, as I was pointing to the window, but there was nothing there. I told her that there was a man in the window and he was looking in, that he was staring into the room watching me.

• 39:49Corinne Vien?

  Oh, God.

• 39:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She immediately ran out the back door to go find this man and basically tell him off because he's watching her child through a window. But there was no one there, no one around the apartment complex, it was the middle of the day on a Saturday, people were just minding their own business, there was no one outside. I also never saw the man actually walk or run away from the window. He was just there, and then he wasn't.

• 40:10Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 40:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So yeah, those are my spooky stories that I've gotten brought up in memory so far as I've listened to your lovely podcast, which has become my new obsession. I've always felt a little spooky, and I've always loved the paranormal, despite always believing that I've never had any interactions. But now, I'm even more open in my beliefs, and have started to explore a more witchy side of myself, given some of the things I've been through in life. Thank you for creating a space. That allows us to be open, to explore more and just talk about things that might not be accepted by others. I'll update if anything else comes back to me. And maybe I'll have to write in on my interactions with the misogynistic ghost at the cemetery near my house, who loves to boss me around via ghost tube when I go and visit.

• 40:51Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh, boss them back.

• 40:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Until then, I'll keep enjoying your podcast in this life and hopefully I'll continue to on the other side in the future. From Tay.

• 40:59Corinne Vien?

  Wow. Um, yeah, that's really creepy.

• 41:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:03Corinne Vien?

  And also like kind of magical at the same time to just be interacting with all of these creatures and spirits.

• 41:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But where were the gremlins trying to take her?

• 41:12Corinne Vien?

  Right, true.

• 41:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because she was having fun, but then it was also like she was scared of them, which makes me think that they were putting on an act. But beneath it was something menacing.

• 41:21Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 41:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does make me think of the Nutcracker.

• 41:25Corinne Vien?

  And then what's the other, what's the, um, where like Clara or whatever, she's supposed to be watching her like baby brother or baby sister and then she gets taken by David Bowie.

• 41:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 41:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Clara taken by David Bowie? You know, I've never seen it.

• 41:43Corinne Vien?

  It's super weird.

• 41:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's taken by David Bowie?

• 41:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, he is, I don't even know what he is. He's like the Goblin King and he wears really tight pants. You can kind of see his junk.

• 41:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Does he play like himself? Like he's actually David Bowie?

• 41:59Corinne Vien?

  No, no, he's the Goblin King.

• 42:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so it's David Bowie playing the Goblin King?

• 42:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, okay.

• 42:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 42:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was picturing like this is like real life David Bowie, like people seeing Elvis and near death experiences.

• 42:09Corinne Vien?

  But it's like kind of inappropriate because like she's like 14 or 15 and he wants her to marry him.

• 42:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, that's kind of like Beetlejuice.

• 42:16Corinne Vien?

  Exactly, exactly. And there's all these like creatures.

• 42:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It has a 95% on Rotten Tomatoes.

• 42:20Corinne Vien?

  It's, it's like a cult classic, but it's, I feel like it's one of those cult classics where like you had to watch it when you were young and like of the era and time to be obsessed with it.

• 42:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm gonna watch it tonight.

• 42:29Corinne Vien?

  Because I watched it in adulthood. I'm scared to say it because I think people are gonna be really mad. It's too weird.

• 42:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But you also watched it as a kid and then watched it again as an adult.

• 42:39Corinne Vien?

  No, no, no, I only watched it as an adult. I think if I watched it as a kid, I would have had that like nostalgia and been like super into it.

• 42:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I'm gonna watch it.

• 42:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, let me know. That reminds me a little bit of that.

• 42:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've been listening to all the ra- because I never really listened to Radio Rental and now I've been watching, or now I've been listening to them.

• 42:57Corinne Vien?

  I listen to all of Tenderfoot TV.

• 42:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I listen to nothing.

• 43:00Corinne Vien?

  Podcast and you listen to nothing. I'm always, I'm like always up to date.

• 43:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But, so I've been listening to one, speaking on the topic of creepy kids.

• 43:07Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Laura in the Woods. Do you remember this one?

• 43:10Corinne Vien?

  Is this where she was hiding and something told her to run?

• 43:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, this is the one where this kid would like play in the woods of their neighborhood and there was like this one, like kind of different looking house in the neighborhood.

• 43:22Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 43:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And he'd play out there and then all of a sudden like there was a little girl.

• 43:25Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And like she would smoke cigarettes with him.

• 43:28Corinne Vien?

  Hide the cigarettes in the tree.

• 43:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hide the cigarettes in the tree. And I won't say what happens next, but it is so

• 43:33Corinne Vien?

  It's

• 43:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  scary. Because whatever, whatever the truth is, if it's a ghost child, if it's the mother or

• 43:40Corinne Vien?

  Mom pretending to be a child.

• 43:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hidden child, like any of those options are terrifying.

• 43:46Corinne Vien?

  Super disturbing. Yeah, that one's really

• 43:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm getting chilly really seeing you thinking about it.

• 43:50Corinne Vien?

  That's a good one.

• 43:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, okay. What do you have next?

• 43:52Corinne Vien?

  Okay, this is a story from apartment 803.

• 43:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 43:56Corinne Vien?

  Dear ghostesses, I've been absolutely obsessed with your podcast since I discovered it a few weeks ago. My husband travels a lot for work, so you two keep me company when I'm home alone.

• 44:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Were your temporary husbands?

• 44:08Corinne Vien?

  And also it's like you're home alone and you're like, oh, let me listen to ghost stories.

• 44:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Brave.

• 44:13Corinne Vien?

  Very brave.

• 44:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fucked up. I don't know. Unhinged. We love it.

• 44:16Corinne Vien?

  Scary stuff feel oddly comforting.

• 44:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 44:19Corinne Vien?

  A bit of backstory before I jump into my story. I was born in Venezuela. I have one older brother and a lot of strange things happened during our childhood. My aunts used to see duendes, so goblin-like creatures from Latin American folklore, in the bathroom mirror while getting ready for nights out. And our nanny always complained about having to clean up the kitchen every morning after the sad woman would make a mess during the night.

• 44:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, she's just sad crying, eating food?

• 44:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, she's, oh, she's the midnight snacker.

• 44:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, sad snacker.

• 44:53Corinne Vien?

  I even remember my mom once yelling and shouting at an invisible man, telling him to get out of her house and not dare come near her children. Personally, I've only experienced one unexplained event, seeing a man's reflection in a turned off TV. A witch later told me that it was a spirit passing by who stood still to look at me because he thought that I was pretty, which maybe that's flattering, I think.

• 45:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But you're a child.

• 45:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yuck. Well, I think a child. I don't know what her age was here. My brother, though, he's always been a magnet for the weird. When he was just a few days old, Toys Without Batteries in his nursery would start singing and moving at night.

• 45:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Immediately, three days old.

• 45:35Corinne Vien?

  Three days old.

• 45:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 45:37Corinne Vien?

  He saw shadows, heard strange noises, and even swears he once saw an extraterrestrial being standing in front of him. He tried waking up our parents, but they wouldn't budge, almost like they were in a trance. And once, a witch even told my mom that she had a bruhito, a little wizard, as a son.

• 45:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that, a bruhito.

• 45:58Corinne Vien?

  But there is one story in particular that I really wanted to share. When my brother was about a year old and he just barely started to stand, my mom left him and her sisters while she went to work. My aunt left him playing in his room while she did some chores around the apartment. And they were living on the eighth floor, apartment 803. Every few minutes, my aunt would peek in and check on him. But on one check-in, she found him sitting in a flower pot, hanging outside of the window. Outside, on the eighth floor.

• 46:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, and he just started to stand?

• 46:33Corinne Vien?

  He just started to stand. He can't walk. Panicked, but trying not to startle him, she gently coaxed him back inside by playing a freeze or you lose type of game.

• 46:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God.

• 46:44Corinne Vien?

  And when she, and later my mom, asked how he got out there, he would just say things like, little boy and friend and play in pool. None of this made sense.

• 46:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This.

• 46:55Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 46:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If there's a little ghost boy.

• 46:57Corinne Vien?

  Luring.

• 46:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fake. This is now where I go. It's not a real child ghost. Luring, saying like, let's go play in the pool by jumping out the window. And it's literally picking him up.

• 47:10Corinne Vien?

  A few months later, my mom and my aunt became friendly with some neighbors who told them about a tragic event that had taken place in the building years earlier.

• 47:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 47:18Corinne Vien?

  A woman had jumped from one of the windows while she was pregnant with a baby boy. And both died. When they asked what apartment it happened in, the answer made their blood run cold. Apartment eight oh three.

• 47:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, this just breaks my heart.

• 47:32Corinne Vien?

  To this day, my brother remembers playing with this little boy who told him to come play in the pool. He remembers looking down and seeing more kids by the pool and heard a boy say, "Jump, let's go." Here's the creepiest part, there was no pool in that building. I have so many more stories.

• 47:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was there at a point?

• 47:50Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. Have so many more stories, I'll send another time. Keep rockin', fur.

• 47:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, thank God you guys survived that apartment.

• 47:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, this is terrifying.

• 48:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's horrifying.

• 48:02Corinne Vien?

  It's very like Babadook in a way.

• 48:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, it makes me so sad.

• 48:06Corinne Vien?

  Luring kids, luring families, like trying to make them repeat the thing that others before have, that's happened to them.

• 48:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which really does make me think it's not the spirit of the woman and her son. It's like something else.

• 48:19Corinne Vien?

  Something else that has like fed on.

• 48:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This tragedy.

• 48:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 48:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, I don't really know how to pivot here, but there was a TV show called like, it doesn't exist anymore, but I loved it. It was like Apartment six, six, six, or something like that.

• 48:33Corinne Vien?

  From when we were young?

• 48:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, six, six, six, Park Avenue. It came out in 2012 and I loved it. It was only, they only lasted one season, but it was basically this like gorgeous, it kind of had Rosemary's Baby vibes, where it was this gorgeous apartment complex and a lot of the people who moved in wanted to be creatives of some kind. And as you can imagine, six, six, six, there's some devil stuff happening.

• 48:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 48:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I feel like it was really, I mean, I don't know, I haven't watched it since 2012, so I don't know how it holds up, but I really loved it and I wanted to know what happened. I wish it still existed.

• 49:08Corinne Vien?

  Oh, shoot. So was it like an artist commune?

• 49:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it was just like a New York apartment and, but like everyone who lived there, like once you moved in, like people started becoming really successful and people were successful who lived there. Because they were making deals with the devil.

• 49:22Corinne Vien?

  Oh, shit.

• 49:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's like, what did you have to sacrifice to make your success? And so played with that.

• 49:27Corinne Vien?

  I do like all of the conspiracy theories with like celebrities and stuff where it's like, what deals did they?

• 49:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 49:34Corinne Vien?

  Make? And there is some like weird, but also I don't like to talk about it too much because then I get scared that I'm going to be killed. Anyway.

• 49:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who here believes in conspiracies? Okay, I actually, I had an idea. One time, I want to play, I want to play a game. Do you want to play a game?

• 49:48Corinne Vien?

  Do you want to play a game? I never knew.

• 49:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, but I want to do a livestream on Instagram or something. Or maybe we can just do it on Patreon, where it's like a, who do you think? And it's kind of like with our listeners, we present, it's almost like two truths and a lie. And they have to guess which one of us it's true about.

• 50:06Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's fun.

• 50:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we like.

• 50:07Corinne Vien?

  It's a good twist.

• 50:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they can challenge us, or like between us, like who's more likely to? And like get our listeners, based on what they know about us from the years of our podcast.

• 50:16Corinne Vien?

  Are we gonna get in fights with you guys?

• 50:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think it would be kind of fun.

• 50:19Corinne Vien?

  It would be fun.

• 50:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What, what do you perceive of us? Do you think I'm as insecure as I was back then?

• 50:25Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 50:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, no, I've changed, I've grown.

• 50:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you're not that anymore.

• 50:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm not that girl anymore, not that cool. If you loved these stories as much as we did, guess what? You can catch one more of these stories on Patreon, because in our $10 tier on Patreon, which is pretty new, we're, so we're, we're dabbling, we're figuring out.

• 50:45Corinne Vien?

  Experimenting with additional offerings.

• 50:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But so every other week, we are tacking on basically like one extra story from that theme, and reading another story and putting it on that tier for you.

• 50:57Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 50:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For bonus content.

• 50:59Corinne Vien?

  And I'll give you a quick teaser. The story that we are going to be sharing is called Slap My Ass and Tell Me I'm Haunted.

• 51:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So get your asses over on Patreon and we'll smack it.

• 51:10Corinne Vien?

  Spank, spank.

• 51:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spank, spank. That's actually a bonus that you get on Patreon, is we can spank your ass. Um, with consent, of course. If you don't join us on Patreon, no worries. We'll be back next week with another encounters. We love you all. Please email us your stories at [email protected]. Thank you to our entire team, our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan, and our producer, Emma. We're so grateful for your help.

• 51:35Corinne Vien?

  And we will. See you on the other side.

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