The Lindsay Clancy Mini Series: An Unexpected Update

Lindsay Clancy's trial for the 2023 killings of her three children ended in a mistrial, but the case has been far from quiet since. In this episode of our mini series, Gemma unpacks everything that has happened since the hung jury. Jurors have spoken out about the one holdout who stopped them reaching a verdict of not guilty by reason of insanity. Reports have since emerged about that juror's past, and he has now given his own side of the story. Patrick Clancy has also spoken publicly. He and his new wife sat down with 60 Minutes, where he addressed the online conspiracy theories about him and shared what Lindsay told him about the day his children died. Back in court this week, Lindsay's defence made a dramatic shift. At trial, her lawyer argued she wasn't criminally responsible because of mental illness. Now he says prosecutors never proved she killed her children at all. LINKS We want to hear from you! Take our quick 3-minute survey for your chance to win a $1,000 gift card. https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/8954679/HF-BUS-2026 GET IN TOUCH Follow us on Instagram and TikTok @truecrimeconversations https://www.instagram.com/truecrimeconversations/?hl=en Want us to cover a case on the podcast? Email us at [email protected] mailto:[email protected] or send us a voice note. https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960 MAMAMIA OFFERS: Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go toveryperi.com.au http://veryperi.com.au/ today. You hot? Same. Make sure to leave us a rating and review on Apple & Spotify to let us know how you're liking the episodes. CREDITS Host & Executive Producer: Gemma Bath Producer: Ella Maitland Video Editor: Jess Chan Audio Design: Tegan Sadler Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Gemma Bath?

  Hi, I'm Gemma Bath, host of True Crime Conversations, and welcome back to our mini-series, unpacking the case of Lindsay Clancy in Massachusetts, the crime story the entire world can't take their eyes off. So much has happened since our last episode, The Verdict, where we unpacked the hung jury, so we had to jump back into the studio. Lindsay Clancy returned to court this week, and while the prosecution said they hadn't decided whether to retry the case yet, we heard a huge change intact from the defence. Lindsay's lawyer is now arguing there is not enough evidence she killed her three children in 2023. It's a huge shift from the trial, where he was arguing she was not criminally

• 0:42Gemma Bath?

  responsible because of mental illness. Before we get to that, let's rewind. On September 4, 2026, Judge William Sullivan declared a mistrial in Lindsay Clancy's triple murder case, after the jury became deadlocked following seven days of deliberations. Unlike here in Australia, once a trial is over, jurors are allowed to go to the media, and that's exactly what happened. We learnt pretty quickly that while many of the jurors went backwards and forwards, by the end, it was 11 wanting to vote not guilty by reason of insanity. There was one holdout juror. Here's what we learnt about him as other jury members gave interviews.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Is a holdout juror a person, a black man?

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  A black man is a holdout juror?

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  Well, I'll have to sit with that for just a second.

• 1:35Speaker 03

  He wrote my signature on each one, and then he said, but I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity.

• 1:44Speaker 04

  I'm not sure if rogue is the right word, Sue, but every one of us, in the hours of frustration, would get up and walk the room, because you just couldn't sit anymore.

• 1:56Speaker 05

  Several times, I would ask him to show us, like, evidence or, you know, describe a witness testimony that helped to prove what he was saying, and he couldn't, which is why we ultimately sent in that note.

• 2:11Gemma Bath?

  If you'll cast your mind back, the jury ended up sending a note to the judge accusing the lone juror of refusing to listen to the law about reasonable doubt. But then, more revelations emerged a few days later. NBC Boston reported that the juror had a history of domestic violence, along with a restraining order that was active during the trial. In September 2021, the holdout juror faced a criminal charge for allegedly assaulting his wife. The police report details his 13-year-old nephew calling 911 after he said his uncle grabbed his wife by the throat and threw her into a dresser. The couple divorced after the incident, and the criminal charge was later dismissed, with the ex-wife telling

• 2:56Gemma Bath?

  NBC 10 she didn't want to testify and risk custody of her daughter. The nephew took out a restraining order later the same year, after he said the juror allegedly repeatedly punched him in the face. To be clear, when agreeing to become a juror, you have to fill in a questionnaire and disclose history like this. In a conversation with Justice TV, the man who has identified himself as Michael Desronville said he did.

• 3:23Speaker 06

  On the questionnaire, did he lie, or didn't he lie? He told me he didn't lie. He told me he checked the box that he was supposed to check, have you ever been arrested? And he says he knows he checked it because he had to describe what happened after he checked that. So he checked it and described what happened. He said he got on the stand, and I guess the prosecutor asked him questions. The prosecutor questioned him. And then guess what, after that, he was selected. So, in his words, he said, no, he didn't lie on the questionnaire.

• 4:01Gemma Bath?

  Michael also told the YouTube channel, from day one, eight jury members were going for not guilty.

• 4:07Speaker 06

  He told me that the eight that, on day one, were going for Lindsay not guilty, he said to him, those eight felt, he felt like they were activists. He felt like they were activists, is what he told me. And every day, he said, they would vote. Every day, they would vote. He said the eight that felt that Lindsay was not guilty were trying to convince...

• 4:37Gemma Bath?

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• 5:19Gemma Bath?

  she was doing. He has now also given his own video statement to Fox News.

• 5:23Speaker 07

  I know the whole focus has been on me, but we want to reel everything back and put the focus on the three angels that are at hand. The ones that can't speak for themselves, and those are Cora, Dawson, and Callan. I want to thank God for my Catholic faith. I want to thank God for blessing me with the ability to love my daughter.

• 5:46Gemma Bath?

  The other big thing that's happened since the mistrial is Patrick Clancy and his new wife going on 60 Minutes. And that's after Patrick's attorney issued a statement warning online conspiracy theorists and social media commentators that there will be consequences for spreading false claims that Patrick was involved in the 2023 deaths of his three children. He addressed the trial by TikTok on 60 Minutes.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  It's deeply harmful to the legacy of my children. It is a huge distraction from what really matters here, which is perinatal mental health. And it's done real harm to real people.

• 6:24Gemma Bath?

  We were given a glimpse into Patrick's new life in New York, where his kids' toys and belongings hold pride of place. He also spoke of the playground he made in their honour in their hometown of Duxbury. He also told the show what Lindsay said about killing the kids.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  She said it was like a dream, and she remembered it much in the way you would remember a dream after waking up.

• 6:48Gemma Bath?

  His now-wife, Dr Rachel Dennis, also appeared briefly in the interview, confirming the couple are starting a family. Lindsay Clancy's lawyer also did the rounds on some news programmes, rejecting the theories about Patrick. Here he is on NBC on September 10.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Does she understand what is happening with social media and Patrick?

• 7:09Speaker 06

  Yes, she does, and she's not, she does not, certainly does not agree with that. And that's why she's been upset about what, and the guy was her husband, they had a very, very, very strong relationship.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  What does she think about Patrick and all the theories that are circulating around him?

• 7:25Speaker 06

  She knows, and it's readily apparent, that Patrick has been set upon, and his life has been turned upside down into a nightmare that he doesn't deserve. Period. Full stop.

• 7:37Gemma Bath?

  Which brings us to this week. No one at the trial disputed that Lindsay killed her children. But Reddington told the court in this first hearing since the mistrial that the prosecutors failed to present any evidence at the trial that she had in fact killed them.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  Where is the evidence that she did this? You have a situation where Patrick comes home, Your Honour recalls the evidence that, he indicates that when he came home, that he enters the house, he puts the food down on the table, comes back from the restaurant, it's quiet, eerily quiet, as the government indicates in their motion. That he then indicates that he goes upstairs into the bedroom, after yelling downstairs to the basement, there's no response, he goes upstairs. And when he goes upstairs, he goes into the bedroom, and Your Honour will recall that the evidence is that he's able to make an observation, that the window is open, it's cold in the room, he sees blood. My memory is that it

• 8:37Speaker 03

  appeared as though it was sprayed on the walls. In fact, Your Honour will recall it was not sprayed on the walls, it was a lot of, I would say, copious blood drops on the floor and on the mirror. When you consider the evidence, there was no investigation.

• 8:53Gemma Bath?

  Reddington says the prosecution's entire case is based on speculation. He then questions the timeframe in which Lindsay is accused of killing, her core body temperature being so low, and her lack of admission.

• 9:06Speaker 03

  If ever a case called out for a Bowden instruction, it was this one. And Bowden, as you know, Judge, and I'm sure you argued it before you were a judge, a jury can draw an inference or can determine that there is reasonable doubt based upon the lack of an adequate investigation. In this case, there was no investigation. They just immediately assumed that this woman was guilty.

• 9:33Gemma Bath?

  The prosecution called the argument laughable, pointing to witness testimony that Lindsay said she heard voices instructing her to kill her children. The next update from court will be on November 2. If the prosecution does decide to retry, it won't be before June next year, due to the schedule of Kevin Reddington. We'll be sure to keep you posted with any more major updates in this case. Thanks for listening to True Crime Conversations. We'll be back next week.