Pod Insights Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks Two Bear Attacks in Arkansas - The T&C November Animal Attack News Roundup About this episode Wes, Jeff, and Mike discuss some of the more notable animal attack, encounter, and otherwise noteworthy headlines from the past month or so, including a couple of bear attacks in Arkansas, an especially angry California squirrel, and a coyote intruding on a game of hide and seek.
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0:13 Jeff Larson? Hello, everybody.
0:14 Wes Larson? Hey, Dr. Nick.
0:15 Jeff Larson? Hi, Dr. Nick. This is Tooth and Claw Podcast. We have our bear biologist Wes Larson. He is putting up peace signs, then I'm his younger brother Jeff Larson. And we have our very nice, very loves everyone, Mike Smith with us, Big Mike. Big Mike. Big Mike, what's the word on the street?
0:40 Mike Smith? I've done a lot of self evaluating ever, ever since this nice, well, we'll call it nice gate. That's the, you always put gate on to the end of controversies. Yeah, I think you might be on to something, Jeff. I don't think I'm a very nice person.
0:53 Jeff Larson? Wrong. I don't think you, I wouldn't go like the other way. Like, I don't think you're like a dick, but it's just like, that's not what I would use to describe.
1:01 Mike Smith? Yeah, no, it's just like every time we go out to eat, I always have to like say something to the waiter about how I don't like the food. I have to send it back. Oh, wait, no, that's actually, that's you, isn't it? No, but point taken.
1:14 Jeff Larson? I'll tell, oh, I'll tell a waiter if I didn't like my food.
1:18 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:19 Jeff Larson? I feel like they should know.
1:20 Mike Smith? Normalize.
1:21 Wes Larson? Sometimes I respect that, you know, because I will just eat it and just be as quiet as a little mouse. But sometimes I think, I wish I could just do that.
1:29 Jeff Larson? Don't ask me if I like my food and I have to just say yes, no matter what.
1:34 Wes Larson? Fair enough.
1:34 Mike Smith? Well, it's like your coworker coming into the office to me and like, how you doing? And it's like, well, I'm actually not doing very well, Bob. It's like, no, I just wanted to hear good and then we can pretend like we don't work together anymore again, you know?
1:47 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
1:47 Wes Larson? I get it. You are paying for that food, though. Yeah. Sure. His hard earned money, Mike.
1:53 Jeff Larson? Hey, I like that, I like that approach of flipping it.
2:01 Wes Larson? That was pretty good. You got me.
2:02 Jeff Larson? Put me down in the muck with you with our listeners.
2:06 Wes Larson? I'm the only nice one here.
2:07 Mike Smith? If I, if I don't see a Reddit thread about, is Jeff a dick? I'm gonna be real disappointed in our listeners.
2:14 Jeff Larson? Actually mean to service workers.
2:18 Mike Smith? Oh my gosh. Can't believe it.
2:20 Wes Larson? How you guys doing?
2:21 Mike Smith? Well.
2:22 Wes Larson? Bob?
2:23 Mike Smith? That's a good question.
2:24 Wes Larson? Yeah. Mike, you look pale.
2:25 Mike Smith? I've, I'm, yeah, I'm cosplaying as a ghost. It's Halloween. We're recording on Halloween. It's gonna be after Halloween when you guys hear this, but I felt like I'd get into the.
2:33 Wes Larson? It is Halloween day.
2:34 Mike Smith? I don't know what's going on with my face right now. I'm like glowing white.
2:38 Wes Larson? Yeah.
2:38 Mike Smith? What's going on?
2:39 Wes Larson? Nosferatu? Vampire? We don't know.
2:42 Mike Smith? Whatever.
2:42 Wes Larson? You look great though, Mike. Well, we've done a lot of recording this week because we're about to go to Costa Rica. Uh, what animal do you guys want to, what do you want to see the most in Costa Rica? That's like potential, you know?
2:54 Jeff Larson? K- Ketsal for me.
2:55 Wes Larson? A ketsal? Resplendent ketsal?
2:57 Jeff Larson? Yeah. Splendid ketsal or I mean a jaguar.
3:00 Wes Larson? Yeah. Mike?
3:02 Mike Smith? Give me a list of what we might see down there. I don't really know what's on the table.
3:06 Wes Larson? Likely is a lot of birds, some cool amphibians and reptiles. Like, I know you kind of like those red-eyed tree frogs. So I think that's one that we could probably see.
3:15 Mike Smith? That would be sweet.
3:16 Wes Larson? The one that I'm kind of hoping for in like a very probable way is a kill build toucan, which is a really cool looking toucan with a bright like yellow and green bill. So that's kind of, I'm, I'm setting my expectations in a reasonable spot because a jaguar or like a puma or something's pretty, pretty unlikely.
3:34 Jeff Larson? You said it's the second easiest place to see jaguars.
3:38 Wes Larson? Yeah, but like outside of the Pantanal, everywhere's really hard to see jaguars.
3:43 Jeff Larson? You said there's more jaguars in mountain lions.
3:45 Wes Larson? There are, but they're still really hard to see.
3:47 Jeff Larson? Get your story together, dude.
3:49 Wes Larson? And we're not, that we're not, there's one place in Costa Rica where they've gotten pretty good at eating sea turtles. And I think if you spent enough time there, you have decent chance to sing a Jaguar. We're not going there, so.
4:00 Jeff Larson? Uh, I'm really excited to see a sloth. Never seen a sloth before.
4:04 Wes Larson? Hopefully we see one. Yeah.
4:05 Jeff Larson? I'm banking on it.
4:07 Wes Larson? Yeah.
4:07 Jeff Larson? I think it's a given.
4:09 Wes Larson? Okay.
4:09 Mike Smith? You ever see that movie Seven?
4:11 Wes Larson? Yeah.
4:11 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
4:12 Mike Smith? That's a bad sloth. You don't wanna see that kinda sloth, in my opinion.
4:16 Wes Larson? Yeah. Just better off.
4:18 Mike Smith? Maybe, I don't know.
4:19 Wes Larson? Yeah, it doesn't seem that bad. If you had like a TV and some snacks, sure.
4:23 Mike Smith? Maybe if you're like, a detective going around just not having a whole lot of success, like you're not bringing a whole lot of cases or solving anything. If you walk into a room and see sloth, you're like, finally, finally I got something to investigate here, right? You might be a little excited. Or would you still be kinda bummed out?
4:40 Jeff Larson? Well, I mean, I, I'm not a detective, so I feel like that doesn't work for me. If you're asking like how I would feel.
4:50 Mike Smith? Yeah.
4:50 Jeff Larson? Oh, if I was just like a different person.
4:52 Mike Smith? Yeah, use your imagination a little bit.
4:54 Wes Larson? And he just saw a sloth?
4:56 Jeff Larson? No, a person like in the movie Seven. Like if I walked into the sloth room in Seven, maybe I'd be excited, I think Mike say.
5:06 Wes Larson? Yeah.
5:06 Mike Smith? Right.
5:07 Jeff Larson? If I was a detective.
5:07 Wes Larson? Those detectives are kinda like, whoa, this is at least pretty interesting.
5:10 Mike Smith? Like your supervisor every day, it's like, what are you doing out there, Wes? We need, we need, there's murders happening, you haven't, you haven't solved a case in ten years.
5:19 Wes Larson? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's kinda like as a bear biologist, you know, when, when something kinda messed up happens, it is kind of exciting. So I think.
5:26 Jeff Larson? Dude, I'd just put it on X, that Twitter app.
5:31 Wes Larson? Yeah.
5:31 Jeff Larson? And they would solve it for me, dude. Sure.
5:34 Wes Larson? Yeah, there's some real detectives on there.
5:37 Mike Smith? Yeah, they're real good at getting rid of people.
5:38 Wes Larson? They would ask Rock how to do it.
5:40 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
5:41 Wes Larson? Uh, well, it is our news episode. We are summing up the news from the last like month and a half. It's been quite a bit, actually. There's been some pretty interesting stories that we got sent a lot. And yeah.
5:54 Jeff Larson? Thank you, everyone, for sending us stories.
5:57 Wes Larson? Yeah.
5:57 Jeff Larson? Thank you to our
5:58 Wes Larson? Very much appreciated.
5:59 Jeff Larson? intern Bryn for organizing them.
6:01 Wes Larson? Bryn, you're the best. Y'all got Bryn. Thank you. Yeah. And thank you, Bill, for editing this. Hopefully, if you're not too busy with your other job. You're fired, Bill. Fired. He's not. Uh huh. All right. Anyway, uh, yeah, we've got some interesting stories. I, do you guys mind if I start? I think I'm just gonna lead with the one that we probably got sent the most this month.
6:22 Jeff Larson? I mind, but I'll allow it.
6:24 Wes Larson? All right, I'll wait then. I don't have to go first, if you mind. He always goes first. It's not worth it to me. It's fine. Yeah. All right. Uh, I do love going first.
6:33 Jeff Larson? Well, this is like the server type thing again. You asked.
6:37 Wes Larson? Yeah. Yeah.
6:38 Jeff Larson? You know?
6:39 Wes Larson? That is true.
6:39 Jeff Larson? Don't fault me because you asked.
6:41 Wes Larson? Yeah.
6:42 Jeff Larson? Yeah, I'll eat this food. I just want you to discount it 50%.
6:47 Wes Larson? Okay.
6:47 Jeff Larson? That's all I'm saying.
6:49 Wes Larson? All right. Well, you'll have to hear this story then, and if it's bad, you can get mad at me for going first. Uh, this is the story of not one, but two black bear attacks that happened over the last two months in a very unexpected place. So unless you were alive in 1892, something happened in Arkansas over the last couple of months that was a first for you, and then it happened again, which is what I just said. Two people in Arkansas were killed in black bear attacks, one in September, and then one the very end of September and early October. They're not totally sure what day it happened. These attacks involve two different bears in two different counties. So in a way, it's kind of like a Night of the Grizzly situation, but a little bit less extreme.
7:35 Wes Larson? And we're gonna talk a little bit about why this might have happened. But again, just to reiterate this, this is the first fatal black bear attack since 1892, and two of them happened within a span of a couple of weeks. Yeah. The first one was on September 3rd when Vernon Patton was in Mulberry Mountain, Arkansas, which is a great name. Arkansas, you do such a good job naming things.
7:59 Jeff Larson? And when you say that, you mean in Arkansas, right? I don't think you said that.
8:04 Wes Larson? Yeah.
8:04 Jeff Larson? The first fatal black bear attack in Arkansas.
8:07 Wes Larson? I think I said that, but I could, I could be wrong.
8:10 Jeff Larson? I think people probably inferred it, but I just wanted to make sure it's clear.
8:14 Mike Smith? Okay. Play it back, Bill. See who's right, who's wrong.
8:19 Speaker 03 So unless you were alive in 1892, something happened in Arkansas over the last couple of months that was a first for you. And then it happened again, which is what I just said, two people in Arkansas were killed in black bear attacks.
8:30 Mike Smith? Put a little Price is Right tuba noise.
8:33 Wes Larson? Thanks, Bill. You're, you're hired again. Yeah, if I'm wrong, please do the
8:42 Wes Larson? Well, that was good. That was really good.
8:44 Mike Smith? Thanks. I've been practicing.
8:46 Wes Larson? All right. So Vernon Patton's in Mulberry Mountain, Arkansas. He's spreading some gravel near his residence. This is a 72-year-old man and a 70-pound subadult black bear emerged from the nearby woods and attacked him. Jeff, do you remember, there was a point in our study where we, we had put out some spring traps. We caught a bear in a snare and rather than fully sedate it, we just half sedated it and released it from the snare by hand and kind of moved it in our arms. Do you remember that?
9:17 Jeff Larson? Yes, sir.
9:18 Wes Larson? With Clint? That bear was about 70 pounds when we did that. So this isn't like a huge bear by any means. This is a pretty small black bear.
9:27 Jeff Larson? Not tiny though either.
9:28 Wes Larson? Not tiny and definitely still capable of a lot as what we're about to learn. So his adult son, Vernon's adult son was coming by to check on his dad. And he found him actually being actively attacked by this bear, uh, which has got to just be an absolutely horrific thing to stumble on. Uh, he gets out of his car or whatever he was in to come check on his dad. He throws rocks at the bear and as he's doing this, this bear actually charges him as well. Which again, for such a small bear, that's, it's pretty weird behavior. Uh, and then it runs off into the woods. Not long after they would, they would have emergency personnel and law enforcement officials and wildlife officials come. They saw the bear. They managed to get it up a tree and they shot it in the tree. So very confident they got the right one.
10:13 Wes Larson? Patton had extensive wounds to his head, his arms. He was airlifted to a regional hospital where doctors immediately operated on him, did their best to save his life. He spent roughly 10 days in the hospital, but unfortunately, ultimately his injuries were too severe for him to recover from, and he did die in the hospital. His family's obviously still grieving this just happened and mourning the loss of their partner, their dad and their grandfather. So this was really traumatic for them and for the state of Arkansas as a whole. This was like unprecedented, you know, to hear about a black bear killing someone. And the Ozarks in Arkansas are pretty good black bear habitat. From my research, there's probably around 5,000 black bears in Arkansas.
10:58 Wes Larson? Most of them are in the Ozarks. So this isn't uncommon to see black bears there, but they just hadn't had any big issues. So everyone's kind of struggling to make sense of this. And then lightning strikes again in early October. A 60-year-old man named Max Thomas was camping alone in the popular Sam's Throne Campground in north central Arkansas when he failed to return home and his concerned family called authorities in the area. And a sheriff's deputy went to the empty campsite. And when he got there, he noticed signs of a struggle. He followed those signs into the brush nearby this campsite. And right there, he found the body of the man not far from the campsite. And he said there were signs of a large carnivore attack and subsequent feeding.
11:43 Wes Larson? So authorities learned that he had texted a photo of a bear to his family on the morning of September 30th while he was camping. So they pretty much immediately assumed that this had been a bear attack. Can you guys guess what other animals would maybe be in play in Arkansas?
11:58 Jeff Larson? Mountain lion?
11:59 Wes Larson? So that's a, that's a good one. That was where my mind went first too, but. Really Arkansas only has like the occasional transient mountain lion that passes through. They don't have a breeding population, but they have been spotted there, especially recently. So it could have been coyotes. The other one I thought of Mike. Do you have any others?
12:18 Mike Smith? I was just gonna guess some canine canine like wolf coyote. Yeah.
12:22 Wes Larson? Yeah. Honestly, like not a Jaguar, but outside of uh if one escaped from a zoo or something.
12:30 Jeff Larson? Well, you know, coming in from Mexico.
12:32 Wes Larson? Yeah, but not all the way up to Arkansas Jim.
12:34 Jeff Larson? Maybe.
12:35 Wes Larson? The other thing that I thought it could have been is just a dog, you know, a feral dog. Um, unfortunately, like you guys have probably run into this too. When we're doing these news episodes and I start searching for animal attack stories. It's like 75% dog attack stories and the rest are wild animals. There's a lot of dogs out there. So they do think this was a bear though, based on the fact that he'd been fed on that he had sent this photo. And then subsequent analysis of of his remains confirmed that hypothesis. So a hunt was conducted.
13:08 Jeff Larson? Text anything with the photo like, what if this thing just kills me?
13:13 Wes Larson? I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think he said anything like that, but um, that would be pretty crazy if he had. That's for sure. A hunt was conducted for the responsible bear and a male black bear was killed. Based on the photo, they'd seen a large male bear. They killed a large male bear on October 6th. But a DNA and you know what? This is, it's not funny, but it's interesting. As I was reading this, I thought there's a very good chance they didn't get the right bear. They actually did an analysis and realized that this was probably not the right bear based on DNA. Yeah. Um, so it's probably still a large.
13:48 Mike Smith? I think you ought to keep these bears alive and interrogate them is how I would do this.
13:53 Wes Larson? A bear line up and call someone in.
13:55 Jeff Larson? Yeah, that's why I like the death penalty, especially so quick.
14:00 Wes Larson? Yeah, right.
14:01 Jeff Larson? You know?
14:02 Wes Larson? I do. Yeah.
14:03 Jeff Larson? Green mile.
14:04 Mike Smith? Bears are people too.
14:05 Wes Larson? I think, I think.
14:06 Jeff Larson? The guy in the green mile didn't do it.
14:08 Wes Larson? This is a very
14:08 Jeff Larson? Trying to help.
14:09 Wes Larson? This is a bear you should remove from the population without a doubt. We've talked about this a lot on the show, but not only is there a chance that someone else is going to get hurt, but it's a big liability for the state because if they leave it. And people know they left it and someone else does get hurt. There's a lot of legal precedent to sue and that costs the wildlife agencies a lot of money that they could be putting into much better things.
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17:41 Wes Larson? So hopefully they find this bear and they're able to remove it. Just a quick reminder, so I looked into some, some data just as a refresher. There's been over 70 fatal black bear attacks in North America since 1900. I'd guess the real number is probably close to 100 or higher than 100, but a lot of those early 1900s numbers didn't really get reported. But I think it's important to say, I could not find a single record of someone being killed by a black bear when they had bear spray with them. So I think the lesson here is that even though these kind of fatal attacks are very rare, black bears are more than capable of killing a human, even a small black bear like that 70 pounder. And they're really opportunistic animals.
18:24 Wes Larson? So if you're camping or recreating in black bear country, just makes a lot of sense for you to have your way out of a negative encounter. So deterrent, make sure you're doing good food storage. I think. Part of the problem, people, just to kind of wrap this up, I think people are going to say, why did these both happen at the same time? I kind of just think it was a coincidence. Uh, there could have been like a natural crop that failed or something. Maybe these bears were really hungry. But I do think in these states where they've gone so long without any problems, people have gotten a little complacent often and they kind of don't think that their bears are as dangerous. And maybe aren't as educated about the dangers and about deterrent and about food storage and all of that.
19:09 Wes Larson? So it could just be that that was a terrible coincidence that there was two at once.
19:13 Mike Smith? Yeah, that's awful.
19:14 Wes Larson? Yeah.
19:14 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
19:15 Mike Smith? Tough.
19:16 Jeff Larson? You don't really think Arkansas for animal attacks normally.
19:20 Wes Larson? You sure don't. Yeah, they got some gators there, but not in this part of the state.
19:25 Mike Smith? Bill Clinton was born there, I think. That's what I think about.
19:28 Jeff Larson? Razorbacks.
19:30 Mike Smith? And then that gets you thinking about, uh, Monica Lewinsky.
19:33 Wes Larson? That does.
19:34 Mike Smith? You just get going down a weird path if you start thinking about Arkansas too much.
19:39 Jeff Larson? Blue dresses.
19:39 Wes Larson? You sure do. Yeah.
19:41 Mike Smith? I have a question and it's not that, just out of curiosity and it's not like I feel like anything should or anyone should be held accountable for this, but is there any system in place that holds organizations or people accountable for maybe getting the wrong bear in a scenario like this? Or not? Is that just kind of like part of the, it goes with the territory kind of thing?
20:01 Wes Larson? Yeah, it, it's like again, where they're not an animal that's threatened or that like really needs an extra level of protection. They don't like, like in Yellowstone, for example, if we had had a grizzly bear maul someone or something and we caught a grizzly bear that we thought might be responsible. Um, I, this didn't happen to me while I was there, but I know their, their precedent is they would actually test the bear in a trap, like get a DNA sample, have the bear in like a holding facility, test it. And if it wasn't the responsible bear, they would re-release it into the wild.
20:36 Mike Smith? Okay.
20:37 Wes Larson? They wouldn't kill it until they knew, but with a black bear, I think they can be a little bit more fast and loose. And sometimes, and this is unfortunate for the animals, but sometimes people just need to hear that something is being done, you know?
20:49 Mike Smith? And when they hear that a bear was killed, it's gonna give them some peace of mind.
20:53 Jeff Larson? I'm very nice to my servers. I need to get that out. I don't think I said that. There's been a few times where I've got the wrong order or like a very bad thing where I've told them, but I wasn't like ma- mad. I just let them know.
21:09 Mike Smith? Oh, you were slamming your fist on the table.
21:11 Jeff Larson? But hey.
21:13 Mike Smith? I'm the only one for allegations.
21:15 Jeff Larson? Yeah, we'll find one for you.
21:17 Mike Smith? Yeah, we'll get you. We'll stick you with something.
21:19 Jeff Larson? I can go next unless you want to, Mike.
21:22 Mike Smith? I'll go next, actually. Are you sure you want to ask? Because I... No, you go for it, Jeff. I nominate Jeff and not Wes.
21:29 Jeff Larson? Okay. So this one, I'm actually, I'm gonna do two because this first one, I think it might end up being better as a future main episode. It's a little fresh right now. But I just think it's a good, I li- I like when Wes does grizzly bear like bear spray versus gun type stories, and I think this would work well with that. But a man in British Columbia had a really bad encounter with a grizzly bear as he, while he was hunting on October 7th. And he's a 63-year-old named Joe Pendry, and he was out hunting. A grizzly bear charged him.
22:08 Jeff Larson? He shot it in the leg and the bear still mauled him, had his head in its mouth, got him pretty bad. And he was kind of a inspirational story of his recovery, but, or recovery, but then he ended up passing away a couple of days ago. From a blood clot. So, uh, but like I said, I do think we'll probably want to talk about this one more. Uh, future date. He's a boxer too, and he broke his hand punching the bear.
22:36 Mike Smith? No, that's...
22:36 Jeff Larson? A few times. Yeah. But anyways, we, I think, I just think it's a good one to revisit later on when it's not so fresh. With like more detail. Okay.
22:48 Mike Smith? Was that blood clot? I know, I, again, we're gonna be talking about this maybe. Was the blood clot caused by, was that a byproduct of the bear?
22:55 Jeff Larson? It was like... He had to have so many surgeries from the bear encounter.
23:00 Mike Smith? Oh, okay.
23:01 Jeff Larson? He got blood clot, yeah.
23:02 Mike Smith? Maybe that's, so my mom died from a pulmonary embolism. Maybe it was a bear? It could depend. We're not ruling anything out with her. It was like a, well, yeah, I don't want to speculate too much out of respect for her. It's Halloween. We could get a Ouija board and ask her.
23:17 Jeff Larson? Was maybe from a surgery she had or something?
23:20 Mike Smith? Yeah, like post-surgical complications, so. Yeah.
23:23 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
23:24 Mike Smith? I don't know what that first surgery was a result of. Yeah, was she mauled by a bear before that? I'll ask. Yeah. I'm gonna start asking around. Yeah, we are detectives.
23:34 Jeff Larson? This next story, I can confidently say was just one big ol' misunderstanding.
23:41 Mike Smith? Okay, alright, can't wait.
23:43 Jeff Larson? So, in Portland, Oregon, a nine-year-old child on October 30th, this came out, but it was like a week before that, so in the October 20th, he was playing with his three-year-old brother in their yard, just like in their yard, playing hide and seek, right?
23:59 Mike Smith? Yeah.
23:59 Jeff Larson? So, when you're playing hide and seek, normally there's a safe zone, right? Even it, when they find you, you can run to the safe zone and then you win. You guys play it that way?
24:09 Mike Smith? I never, that's a new rule set for me.
24:11 Jeff Larson? That's how I always played it.
24:13 Mike Smith? Okay.
24:14 Jeff Larson? The person who's seeking looks for you and they have to tag you before you get to like the safe zone, which is where they start.
24:21 Mike Smith? Yeah.
24:21 Jeff Larson? So, I can only assume this coyote played by my same rules. Because this coyote saw the two children playing hide and seek in the yard and he found one of them and started chasing them and I mean, coyotes can't really touch with their arms very well, so he bites him on the foot.
24:43 Mike Smith? Right.
24:44 Jeff Larson? Right? And, uh, you know, coyotes, they got pretty sharp teeth, so this nine-year-old had to go to hospital, get his foot checked out. And this coyote, I think, won the game of hide and seek still, but that's coyote's be wildin' for this week.
25:00 Mike Smith? Do we know where the three-year-old is yet? He might still be hiding. In that case, I'd say he won.
25:06 Jeff Larson? That's true. The coyote has to get balls of him.
25:09 Mike Smith? Yeah, exactly. Right. It's kind of embarrassing that your little three-year-old brother had a better hiding spot than you. If a coyote finds you, found you and not him, right?
25:19 Jeff Larson? Unless like the three-year-old was seeking.
25:22 Wes Larson? They are good. They're really good at hiding in tiny spaces. I just played hide and seek with my three-year-old niece. And she was like fitting and stuff for us. Just like, oh my gosh, I can't believe she was doing that. So they're pretty good at hiding, actually.
25:37 Mike Smith? That's true. Yeah. I rescind my previous statement.
25:41 Wes Larson? Yeah.
25:41 Jeff Larson? These kids didn't even know there's a coyote playing until it bit one of their feet.
25:46 Mike Smith? That's such a good strategy.
25:49 Jeff Larson? So yeah, I think, you know, he saw the coyote saw the kids playing and just thought it was fun.
25:56 Mike Smith? Yeah, sure. Get in on that.
25:58 Jeff Larson? I can confidently say that.
26:02 Wes Larson? I don't know if you can, but.
26:04 Jeff Larson? I think, growing up, we played hide and seek like too many times.
26:10 Mike Smith? We played a lot in the dark is where we.
26:12 Jeff Larson? We didn't have like a big house and we only played in the basement and there's just like eight spots that you chose from every single round.
26:21 Wes Larson? But we would also like block out any source of light. So it was just pitch black. And then we would just like run into each other and stuff.
26:31 Jeff Larson? There's times I would just like lay on the floor, like out in the open, but it's so dark.
26:36 Wes Larson? Yeah. And that is how we played, huh? If you got to the stairs, you were safe.
26:41 Jeff Larson? Yeah. So I always tried to hide close to the stairs.
26:44 Wes Larson? That's right. And if everyone got there, then the person had to count again.
26:47 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
26:48 Wes Larson? Yeah. That is a fun way to play.
26:50 Mike Smith? Nice. We should play that next time we go up to your parents.
26:53 Wes Larson? With the coyote.
26:55 Mike Smith? With the.
26:55 Wes Larson? We have to go to our old house.
26:56 Mike Smith? The, yeah, formally, you are invited, coyote. Just putting that out there in case he's listening. I'll go. I'm not gonna ask. I'm going.
27:05 Wes Larson? Okay.
27:06 Mike Smith? So this happened September 23rd is when this was reported through ABC News, plus several other sources. But it's looking bad in California, guys. You heard about this? Hmm, no.
27:17 Wes Larson? The sea lion?
27:18 Mike Smith? The venomous snake bite thing, the dog training? Oh, if only. That'd be so much better than this. Well, have you seen San Andreas? Things can go real bad for California at any moment.
27:30 Mike Smith? Paul Giamatti really just giving his best, you know, like not, not a movie that deserves his talents, but he gave it his best. I can't.
27:38 Wes Larson? The only, the only reason I watched that movie is because I saw Carlo Gugino's in it and I was like, I gotta watch this. Yeah.
27:46 Mike Smith? Well, it's not a venomous snake. It's not anything like that. It's a squirrel that's been reported as having attacked at least five people in the Bay Area over the past few weeks.
27:57 Wes Larson? Wow.
27:57 Mike Smith? And it's been biting and scratching some of these people so badly, at least two of them have had to go to the emergency room. Which is pretty crazy. It's crazy, but also like, if you think about, you know, if you get attacked by a wild animal, you're probably gonna wanna go get it checked out by somebody. But yeah, the squirrel is getting in some pretty good, doing some good damage to some of these people. So one of these victims.
28:20 Wes Larson? Not gonna rule out hide and seek in this story either.
28:24 Mike Smith? Squirrel could be real good at hiding, right? Could be really good at hide and seek. I mean, it's been training its whole life, hiding those nuts.
28:31 Wes Larson? You out, yeah.
28:33 Mike Smith? So one of the victims, her name was Isabel Campoy, Isabel Campoy. She said the squirrel launched itself at her face while she was strolling around the Bay Area. Uh, the city of Lucas Valley last week in the Bay Area left her with bruises and deep bloody gashes across her forearm. Quote, "She almost killed me," Isabel said.
28:53 Wes Larson? Geez.
28:54 Mike Smith? I was full of blood and I ran to the emergency room and I'm not gonna, I'm not trying to downplay because in the moment you like kind of are freaked out.
29:01 Wes Larson? Yeah. She would have made it on our show had she gotten killed by a squirrel like as a main story. Yeah, for sure.
29:08 Mike Smith? Right, but the squirrel, it's been going after all kinds of members of the neighborhood. Another, her name was Joan Heblick, she was out on just a morning stroll when she said it jumped out of nowhere and latched onto her leg and started just going to town on it. It was like vertical, so the tail was kind of coming up towards her chest and her face and just freaked her out really bad. The story, it's interesting in conjunction with another study that I saw was performed last year and this is kind of new information to scientists, I guess, about, it was a study performed by the University of Wisconsin Eau Claire and the use, a joint study by them and the University of California. And it was observing squirrels were being a lot more flexible in their diet than they
29:51 Mike Smith? were previously assumed to be, not just nuts or like, like more meat, herbivorous. But yeah, they were omnivorous if they were pushed to, you know, like a need to find, it was mostly voles they were going after.
30:05 Wes Larson? That'd be so weird if you're just watching a deer and you just see it fall over and you're like huh, and then a little squirrel running all over it.
30:13 Mike Smith? Right.
30:14 Wes Larson? Mouth that can kill these old ladies.
30:16 Mike Smith? But anyway, it is, it's interesting, it's not like the study wasn't like these squirrels are gonna go after humans and eat their meat or anything, but it is, it's just an interesting development for squirrels in this part of California that's like, oh wow, these squirrels are eating meat and now they're going after humans. I'm not saying, I'm not, I'm just saying.
30:34 Wes Larson? Deer will eat squirrels sometimes, yeah.
30:36 Mike Smith? That true?
30:37 Wes Larson? Really?
30:37 Mike Smith? Mm-hmm. Whoa.
30:39 Wes Larson? Yeah.
30:40 Mike Smith? Wow. Why?
30:41 Wes Larson? Uh, just like if they're just like happen to have the opportunity, sometimes they'll do it. It's kind of like they're-
30:48 Mike Smith? Did they like chase them down?
30:49 Wes Larson? No, it's more like if like they stumbled on one that they were able to catch, they would eat it or if like one was hurt or something. You kind of, that's a, it's always weird when you see these animals that you don't think should eat meat and they do. And you realize it's really off putting, but then it also, you realize like how much it is just about getting calories. You know, it's not so much about like taste or anything. And obviously their biome, their gut biome and everything is only prepared for certain things, but most of these animals will eat meat if they get the chance.
31:24 Mike Smith? That's super interesting.
31:25 Wes Larson? Yeah.
31:25 Jeff Larson? Yeah. Xavier Leggett on the Carolina Panthers.
31:30 Wes Larson? Yeah.
31:31 Jeff Larson? He'll eat squirrels. He'll eat squirrels.
31:33 Wes Larson? Yeah. I'd probably eat a squirrel. If I like went to someone's house and they're like, hey, we're eating squirrel tonight. I'd be like, all right, I guess we're eating squirrel tonight, you know?
31:41 Jeff Larson? Sure. Yeah.
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36:13 Wes Larson? Yeah, I loved, I saw a quick headline from this story and they had like, like a bulletin thing that they were posting around the neighborhood. And it's this photo of the squirrel like jumping at the camera and it like in big red letters says squirrel attack.
36:28 Mike Smith? Yeah, this is not a joke. Yeah, big banner. Yeah, it's great.
36:32 Wes Larson? We'll have to post it. Mike, on a scale of one to 10, how big of a Survivor fan are you? The show?
36:38 Mike Smith? I've never watched a single episode. I don't know. Maybe I would like it, but I think I'd have to say zero. Yeah.
36:45 Wes Larson? Or would that be a five? Are you neutral or are you against it?
36:50 Mike Smith? I think at my baseline, I'm a little negative towards reality TV in general. So I'll say like a three.
36:57 Wes Larson? Okay, cool. We got in a big fight once over if five is neutral or not. We won't rehash that here, but um.
37:04 Mike Smith? No, we won't.
37:05 Wes Larson? Anyway, Jeff, how about you? What, where would you say you are on zero to 10? Probably eight. Yeah, I'd say I'm right around there too. Eight or nine. I actually didn't. I watched it the first few seasons with my parents growing up. And then I stopped for a very long time. And then right around the pandemic, I really got into it again. And now I've watched pretty much all the seasons. I've watched a lot of the Australian seasons, which it's a better show. Just gonna come out and say it. But something.
37:34 Mike Smith? Putting your foot down.
37:35 Wes Larson? Shots fired.
37:36 Mike Smith? On the, on the important issues, Wes is drawing definitive line in the.
37:40 Wes Larson? Uh, there, it's a debate, you know?
37:43 Mike Smith? Sure.
37:43 Wes Larson? Something interesting happened in Survivor last two, like a week and a half ago. And it was something that probably is never, or maybe it's two weeks ago. It probably never happened before on the show. And it was an animal attack. So there's a contestant, his name is Jake Latimer. And he's from Winnipeg, Canada. He was relaxing on the edge of the water on the Survivor island, which is in Fiji. When suddenly a yellow lipped sea crate bit his foot. Now, how much do either of you know about this particular snake? They're also called banded sea crates.
38:16 Jeff Larson? Like one to 10?
38:18 Wes Larson? No, how much do you know about it?
38:20 Jeff Larson? Right.
38:20 Wes Larson? Not a numerical value of what you know.
38:23 Jeff Larson? One to 10, I know about like a five about him.
38:27 Wes Larson? Okay.
38:27 Mike Smith? Yeah.
38:27 Wes Larson? Neutral.
38:28 Mike Smith? I would say a 10 because I know about them. They exist out there. So, yeah.
38:32 Wes Larson? Yeah.
38:33 Mike Smith? It's more like a yes or a no, binary.
38:35 Wes Larson? All right. Basically, this is a type of sea snake, but it's one that you find more near the coast, around coral reefs, that sort of thing. And they are highly venomous. They're in the elapid family, which puts them in the same family as like cobras and coral snakes. Some of the more venomous snakes in the world. And they too have a really potent neurotoxin. The difference between them and those other snakes, well coral snakes are somewhat similar is that you really have to push these snakes to get bit by them. You have to harass them usually or do something to them to where they'll come up and bite you. Now, we don't know exactly if this guy pushed him or not, but he claims he was just sitting on the side of the water. When suddenly a snake bit his foot.
39:17 Wes Larson? Uh, they're front fangs snakes with small front fangs, fangs. And he said that it had latched onto his foot. He ran up to tell some of the other survivors that and people just like came out of the jungle from the production team. Like every, it was all hands on deck. And they're like, wait, what happened? And he told them exactly what had happened and what type of snake. And they're like, okay, we have to get you out of here immediately, you know? And then some of the other survivors, they have this booklet, I guess, in camp that shows like potentially dangerous animals. And one of them opened it to that page and it says like, highly venomous. And they all got pretty worried. Yeah. And I was really curious what was gonna happen. Cause I like, to me, it was like, oh, if he got envenomated, he's probably gonna die.
40:01 Wes Larson? Seems like a easy person to vote out. Yeah. Uh, well, we'll get to that. Um, and he was playing a pretty good game, actually, but, uh, he gets on the boat. He starts having a problem breathing. You see him like spitting a lot and I'm thinking, oh, he's, you got a, like a, a real bite. And they take him in and I guess on the way to the island where they have their kind of headquarters with all the staff and medical and whatnot. Uh, they had lost contact. And so when they get into that dock, you hear someone from the dock yell, is he breathing? Is he alive? And because they'd lost contact, they just assumed he might be dead. And when he got there, he was still walking and everything. And so at that point, I'm thinking, okay, there's a decent chance this is a dry bite.
40:46 Wes Larson? And sure enough, it was. The symptoms that he was having were probably mostly from shock and anxiety. And, and also like they're starving themselves out on this island. So I'm sure there's other physiological stuff happening, but they treat him. Yeah, it's out of control. Yeah. For sure. They treat him for a snake bite. They realize it's probably a dry bite and they actually end up sending him home because, uh, they just figured that that had been too much of a shock on his system and they couldn't justify putting him back into the game. What? He's probably mad about that, right? I would imagine so. I would be so mad if I got sent home for a dry bite. But I will say the silver lining is he had a baby that was due to be born and he was really bummed
41:32 Wes Larson? that he was gonna miss his, like, his first kid's birth while he was in Survivor. And he made it back forty-eight hours before his kid was born. So he got to be there for his son, or I don't know if it was a son or daughter, for his kid's birth. So.
41:45 Mike Smith? Right.
41:46 Wes Larson? Pretty crazy moment in reality TV, though. I honestly like that.
41:50 Mike Smith? Yeah.
41:50 Wes Larson? A venomous snake bite, and not just any snake, like, this is a snake. So I did a little diving into the snake's history, and they really hardly ever bite people, but there was a guy in twenty eighteen off the coast of northeastern Australia, a fisherman, who pulled one up in a net and was trying to free it from the net and got bit, and was envenomated, and he died before any kind of help could get to him.
42:15 Jeff Larson? Man, that would have been crazy for Survivor.
42:19 Wes Larson? Oh, yeah.
42:19 Jeff Larson? Someone died.
42:20 Wes Larson? It probably would have ended the season.
42:22 Mike Smith? Someone finally didn't survive.
42:23 Jeff Larson? Well, imagine, too, like, having to stay there after that, you know?
42:28 Wes Larson? Like, oh, hey, by the way, Jake, Jake's gone, and everyone's like, oh, you voted him off.
42:33 Jeff Larson? Well, even like now, it's kind of scary. It's like, man, I'd be so much more scared.
42:38 Wes Larson? Yeah, they did. They talked about that on the show. Jeff was, Jeff Probst, the host, was like, "Just so you guys know, I've talked to everyone. No one's even ever heard of this happening before. None of the locals have ever heard of this happening before." This was like such a freak bite, and it is. Like, for one, just to swim up and bite someone's foot like that is really, really strange. So.
43:01 Mike Smith? It is curious to me, though, that on a show called Survivor, everyone just survives.
43:05 Wes Larson? Yeah.
43:06 Mike Smith? It'd be nice if one guy finally died, right?
43:08 Wes Larson? Yeah.
43:09 Jeff Larson? It would make the name more, like, make more sense.
43:13 Wes Larson? Yeah.
43:13 Mike Smith? Exactly.
43:14 Jeff Larson? Like, the show alone, they're alone.
43:16 Wes Larson? Yeah.
43:17 Jeff Larson? And Survivor, they survive, but they, like, you would think someone wouldn't survive.
43:24 Wes Larson? I wonder if they would have still aired the season if he died. I bet they would have just scrapped it.
43:29 Mike Smith? Oh, that's an interesting.
43:30 Jeff Larson? Just give them all a million dollars.
43:31 Wes Larson? Yeah.
43:33 Mike Smith? So my dad, when he was swimming in college, he got invited to the Olympic trials and he decided to not go because he wanted to stay home for the birth of my oldest brother, like their first child. Do you think that's the right move?
43:46 Wes Larson? Uh, no.
43:48 Mike Smith? I don't think so either.
43:49 Wes Larson? Yeah. I think, you know, I think if your wife is like, I need you there, then it's the right move. But if she was like, no, I don't care. Do whatever you want, then like go, you know, I don't know.
44:00 Mike Smith? Well, I'll ask my mom how she was.
44:02 Wes Larson? Yeah. Where's that Ouija board?
44:04 Mike Smith? I got it.
44:04 Wes Larson? That's your one question.
44:06 Mike Smith? Yeah.
44:07 Wes Larson? She's like, you get one question.
44:09 Mike Smith? Nah, I think he was, he was mostly just like, well, I wasn't gonna make it anyway, but it's like, I don't know, it'd be fun to go and at least try.
44:15 Wes Larson? Yeah.
44:16 Mike Smith? But.
44:16 Jeff Larson? Let's just do our, one of our categories right now. What's your favorite all time moment in Survivor?
44:25 Wes Larson? Uh, mine, I think it was Micronesia, but it's, there is, so that, I'm just gonna set the stage. I don't remember their names even. I remember one of their names was Pavardi. But, and Amanda too. But there was like three women, three or four women, and there was a guy that was left too. And he had won the immunity necklace. And there was like, not that many players left. So if he had just like, gone through, like you're supposed to, if you win the immunity necklace, you're not allowed to be voted out. And they went to like the tribal council and the girls convinced him to give it up, like to give it to one of them. Because they promised him they wouldn't vote him out. And it's like, not something you should ever even consider doing. And he gave it away. At tribal council and they immediately voted him out.
45:10 Mike Smith? They got him?
45:11 Jeff Larson? Oh my god.
45:11 Wes Larson? Oh yeah. And it was, it was so crazy and shocking that it's, yeah, that's my all time.
45:18 Jeff Larson? What did he do when he got voted out?
45:20 Wes Larson? Yeah. I mean, he was just thought he was the, he was like, I am so dumb. I can't believe I did that. Yeah.
45:26 Jeff Larson? Did he like get mad at the girls or did he say like?
45:30 Wes Larson? No, I think he, I think he, he didn't say nice job, but I think he just like, was like, that was dumb. I should not even considered that. Yeah.
45:38 Mike Smith? Hmm.
45:39 Jeff Larson? Uh, I really like early Survivor a lot. Season one, I like in the final thing, they used to ask just the craziest question.
45:51 Jeff Larson? And one of the ladies was like, if you were in the desert about to die from thirst, I would not give you my water. To like the girl who ended up winning.
46:02 Wes Larson? Like that's so mad still. They took it so seriously.
46:05 Jeff Larson? And then, yeah, my favorite guy ever is Boston Rob. So his first season where he like, played it perfectly and then is him and it, he started dating Amber on the show. And like, is between them in the end and he proposes to her.
46:24 Wes Larson? Yeah.
46:24 Jeff Larson? And it's like, okay, so they both won no matter who won, yeah.
46:28 Wes Larson? Yeah, it's a great movie. Yeah.
46:30 Mike Smith? Uh, I did, again, I've never really watched a full episode of the show, but I do remember, it was the first season with the naked guy, right? That, yeah, Richard Hatch. Our whole like third or fourth grade class, whenever that was airing was just in an uproar because this guy was naked.
46:46 Jeff Larson? Well, he like caught a shark with his bare hands, dude.
46:50 Wes Larson? That was a, yeah, that was one of his other seasons, but.
46:53 Jeff Larson? I think it was the first season.
46:55 Wes Larson? It wasn't. It was like season three or four, I think. But I'm sure it was a different.
47:01 Jeff Larson? After winning season one in season three or four?
47:03 Wes Larson? They brought him back. I've seen it. Yeah.
47:06 Jeff Larson? I know they did, but it was a while later.
47:08 Wes Larson? Yeah. It, I remember the scene because he pulls the shark out and then it bites him on the arm, actually. So there has been another animal attack. Yeah.
47:16 Mike Smith? Hey.
47:17 Wes Larson? But I do, if you want to put down some money, I'll put down some money, but I'm positive on this one.
47:22 Jeff Larson? Okay, nevermind then. Um, so you shouldn't have said you're positive.
47:27 Wes Larson? I know, I just.
47:29 Jeff Larson? You could have gotten some money out of me there.
47:31 Mike Smith? Finessed him there.
47:32 Wes Larson? You usually don't care if I say I'm positive is why I said that. Usually you'll do it.
47:36 Jeff Larson? You say it a lot.
47:37 Wes Larson? I know, so why don't you might as well bet me.
47:39 Jeff Larson? You overused it.
47:41 Wes Larson? Then bet me.
47:42 Mike Smith? It's cheating.
47:43 Jeff Larson? Nah, I'm not that confident.
47:45 Wes Larson? Yeah.
47:46 Jeff Larson? But what was I gonna say? Oh yeah, I think Richard got arrested too because he won and then he didn't pay taxes.
47:53 Wes Larson? Yeah.
47:55 Wes Larson? Yeah, he did some jail time.
47:56 Mike Smith? That's one thing that like, I just, if I hear about like when Wesley Snipes was going through the tax evasion thing, I was just not bothered in the least by it. It's like, oh, I don't care that.
48:07 Wes Larson? Yeah.
48:07 Mike Smith? Good for him.
48:08 Wes Larson? Good for, good try.
48:10 Jeff Larson? Guy in California won like the biggest lottery ever and is two billion. And after taxes, he ended up with like 400 million.
48:21 Wes Larson? Yeah, crazy.
48:23 Jeff Larson? And everyone's like, he's the only billionaire paying appropriate taxes.
48:27 Wes Larson? That's true.
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53:10 Jeff Larson? You did a bear, I did a bear, you did a snake, I'll do a snake. All right. So this is a pygmy molga snake. You ever heard of those? No. Venomous snake in Australia. Highly. I think it was a pygmy molga snake, it could be wrong. The article actually never reported what type of snake it was. But then it had a picture of a pygmy. Molga snake. Okay. So I assume that's what it was. And I looked at a few articles and it never said, but in the Northern Territory. In Australia. I mean, we went to Australia, a lot of people walk around barefoot in Australia. It's a very clean country. You know, not much glass on the ground to keep it clean. And a lot of people walk around barefoot.
53:55 Jeff Larson? So this forty one year old woman. She liked to walk around barefoot in her suburban neighborhood, right? Sure. She's walking around and she steps on a pygmy molga snake. I think it looks a lot like an inland typan. Okay. So she steps on this little snake, looks like a inland typan, it looks like a venom, like it could be venomous. So first thing you would do is like. See if you got bit or not, right? So uh she starts checking her foot for any signs of blood or teeth marks or anything. And she can't find like a single scrape, a single like thing on her foot. So she thinks she just stepped on a snake and nothing happened.
54:39 Wes Larson? Yeah.
54:39 Jeff Larson? So 10 minutes later, she goes to her country club. And she asked her worker who asked not to be, she asked a worker who asked not to be named. To help her check her feet for bite marks and told them the story, right? And um the worker said she had mentioned she'd stepped on snake, maybe she had gotten bitten. There's no blood, no marks, nothing. Then we again asked, are you okay? Are you feeling any different? Did you feel it bite you? And she said she didn't. 20 minutes after signing in at the club, the woman collapsed.
55:13 Wes Larson? Wow.
55:14 Jeff Larson? Um.
55:14 Wes Larson? Whoa.
55:15 Jeff Larson? They started giving her CPR, they called for help. And she wasn't able to like be resuscitated and she ended up dying. So.
55:25 Wes Larson? Gosh.
55:25 Jeff Larson? Yeah, pretty crazy. I don't know, like, I feel like. Out of caution, you should just, there it's called triple zero.
55:34 Wes Larson? Yeah.
55:34 Jeff Larson? But like you should, if you step on a snake in Australia, you should probably.
55:40 Wes Larson? Yeah.
55:40 Jeff Larson? Make the call.
55:41 Wes Larson? Especially if you, if you can't identify it without a doubt, call someone, yeah. Uh, I just looked them up. They're, they're in another, they're another elapid snake. So the same family. There's cobras and typhans and the sea crates and everything, like highly venomous snakes.
55:58 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
55:59 Wes Larson? Yeah.
55:59 Jeff Larson? I mean, and I'm not, I'm not confirming that that was the type of snake it was because. That, like I said, unfortunately, I couldn't find an article that. I think, I don't know if they really know because like she didn't take a picture, she didn't like have the snake, so.
56:16 Wes Larson? Yeah. It'd probably be pretty hard to tell.
56:19 Jeff Larson? But yeah, pretty, I don't know, I, you should for sure call for help, but on the other hand, like, if I felt pretty confident I wasn't bitten, I could like, see where my brain would kind of go the same way as hers did, like, I'll just go to a public place, they'll be able to like, get me help if I need it and
56:39 Wes Larson? Yeah.
56:40 Jeff Larson? make sure I don't start feeling any symptoms type of thing, you know?
56:45 Wes Larson? Well, especially here, I don't know how their healthcare system works, but like in the US, I do everything I can to avoid calling emergency services because it's like, oh, do I want to be in debt for the next 20 years? You know, so, yeah.
56:59 Mike Smith? I don't feel confident, even inside my own home, walking around without socks on at least.
57:05 Wes Larson? Really?
57:05 Mike Smith? I just
57:06 Wes Larson? I love going barefoot.
57:07 Mike Smith? Walking around barefoot is just the scariest proposition to me.
57:11 Jeff Larson? Huh.
57:11 Mike Smith? I, every step is
57:13 Jeff Larson? Like it scares you.
57:13 Mike Smith? Yeah, like at a pool, it's the fewer steps I have to take to get into the water, the better. I was just always in mind full of stepping on something like a Lego.
57:22 Wes Larson? Yeah, I like going barefoot.
57:25 Mike Smith? Like a bomb.
57:26 Jeff Larson? That would suck.
57:27 Mike Smith? It would suck, dude.
57:29 Jeff Larson? Unless you have shoes on.
57:31 Mike Smith? Right.
57:32 Jeff Larson? Or socks.
57:32 Mike Smith? Like steel-toed boots.
57:35 Jeff Larson? Those socks Brent had.
57:37 Wes Larson? Yeah.
57:40 Mike Smith? The spider silk.
57:42 Jeff Larson? That's a subscriber. Subscriber only joke there. Yeah, that's why I have.
57:50 Mike Smith? Yeah, I also have a story, but it is that, that's a coincidence.
57:53 Wes Larson? That's crazy.
57:54 Mike Smith? So it's always the guys you expect the least, right? So, which I actually don't believe.
58:00 Jeff Larson? Most medium expect from Dwight Schrute. I think that is actually pretty good.
58:06 Mike Smith? Okay, well, this was reported October 30th of this year by Yahoo News is where I got most of this info from. Uh, recently, sprinting swimmers in the Marathi Beach in Greece, at the Marathi Beach in Greece, who've been reporting an incident that raised a few eyebrows from the locals, since it's not every day that you hear about a sea turtle biting someone so badly that they feel like they might faint. Right?
58:30 Wes Larson? Well, if
58:30 Mike Smith? At least not in my world.
58:32 Wes Larson? If it's in Greece, they're gonna be like really thick, beautiful eyebrows that are getting raised too.
58:36 Mike Smith? I know.
58:36 Wes Larson? Which is nice.
58:37 Mike Smith? Gosh.
58:38 Jeff Larson? Is that true?
58:39 Wes Larson? I'd kill for that.
58:40 Mike Smith? Have you ever seen a
58:40 Wes Larson? Kind of eyebrows, Mike?
58:41 Mike Smith? A Grecian eyebrow?
58:43 Jeff Larson? Oh, I can't.
58:45 Wes Larson? I don't know.
58:45 Mike Smith? I know. Sometimes I do, I get remarks on my eyebrows and it's like, you guys, you, you haven't seen anything yet. Go to Greece is what I'm always saying back to them.
58:55 Wes Larson? Sure. So wait, they said it was a what? A turtle?
58:58 Mike Smith? Sea turtle.
58:59 Wes Larson? Okay.
58:59 Mike Smith? Like, I think just a green sea turtle. According to Zarpa News, the woman who was bit was in the shallow, it's so Greek, it's awesome. Zarpa, Zarpa News. She was in the shallows, just a few feet off the beach, just in a very shallow part of the ocean, when she was attacked and bitten by the turtle sustaining injuries on her, quote, bottom.
59:20 Wes Larson? Ooh, her bum?
59:22 Mike Smith? Her bum. So here's the thing though. So half of the articles called it her, her rump and half of them called them her thigh. And I just wondered, you guys, what's the, where do you differentiate on those two things? Is it the same thing to you?
59:35 Wes Larson? For me, it's, once the bubble of the butt comes out, it's rump.
59:39 Mike Smith? Right.
59:39 Wes Larson? Yeah.
59:40 Jeff Larson? I think that's pretty clear.
59:41 Wes Larson? Below that's thigh. Yeah.
59:42 Mike Smith? Yeah.
59:43 Wes Larson? And then ass. Ass is also.
59:47 Jeff Larson? Ass and rump are the same.
59:48 Wes Larson? Yeah, they're the same, unless you're eating ass.
59:50 Jeff Larson? Like this turtle.
59:51 Mike Smith? Right.
59:52 Wes Larson? Yeah. This turtle was eating ass.
59:55 Mike Smith? But, like, literally, yeah. But butt is legs, we've established.
1:00:00 Wes Larson? Uh, butt is, sure, butt is legs. Yeah, we talked about that before. Butt is legs.
1:00:05 Mike Smith? So.
1:00:05 Jeff Larson? Legs is a lot of stuff, though. Like calf is legs, thigh is legs.
1:00:10 Mike Smith? Would you consider feet legs?
1:00:11 Jeff Larson? Feet is legs.
1:00:12 Wes Larson? Is your dong your legs?
1:00:13 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
1:00:14 Mike Smith? Your dong is your legs?
1:00:16 Jeff Larson? I wasn't, I was answering Mike.
1:00:17 Wes Larson? Okay, I was surprised.
1:00:19 Mike Smith? What is your dong then?
1:00:21 Wes Larson? It's like in the middle of your legs and your waist.
1:00:23 Mike Smith? Midsection. That's what they always say in basketball. It's like, ooh, a shot to the midsection. It's like, no, it was just his balls is what happened. His balls happened. Anyway.
1:00:32 Jeff Larson? I never know exactly what they mean when they say midsection, cause I'm, sometimes it is just a gut punch, you know?
1:00:39 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:00:39 Mike Smith? Right.
1:00:40 Wes Larson? They should say groin. That's very, yeah.
1:00:43 Jeff Larson? You should just say penis, that's the meta term.
1:00:46 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:00:46 Mike Smith? Yeah. Peter.
1:00:49 Wes Larson? That was our term, growing up.
1:00:51 Mike Smith? Okay. Well, anyway, so this woman, she was identified only by her initials, which are KB, though it could be anyone.
1:00:58 Wes Larson? That might be anyone.
1:01:00 Mike Smith? Kate Bush.
1:01:00 Wes Larson? Kobe Bryant.
1:01:01 Mike Smith? Kobe Bryant, he's dead though.
1:01:03 Wes Larson? Who knows? Maybe he's living in Greece, getting his ass eaten by turtles.
1:01:07 Jeff Larson? Yeah, maybe he just was tired of the limelight.
1:01:10 Mike Smith? Yeah, okay. Well, it could have been. Well, it was a woman.
1:01:15 Mike Smith? Maybe, I don't know, maybe he changed his identity to remain anonymous. So the bite victim, KB, discussed how eventually the bite had led to an infection, which led to her being hospitalized. And you, you've worked with turtles, like sea turtles in the past, right?
1:01:29 Wes Larson? I've gotten bit by a sea turtle.
1:01:31 Mike Smith? Are they chompy?
1:01:32 Wes Larson? Yeah, they're very chompy, especially out of the water, for me, in my experience. Yeah, they can be pretty chompy, for sure.
1:01:40 Mike Smith? And it's like, I mean, they all have different physiology, but these turtles have a kind of a beak, right? That is more like a piercing, more so than like a...
1:01:48 Wes Larson? Pretty much all, all sea turtles have that, but there's a fair amount of pressure in there. When I got bit, it split all along the lines of the beak, like the edges. But they, I mean, you know, when I say they're chompy, like, obviously, every day, there are thousands of interactions between people and sea turtles, where people don't get bit, you know? But like, it's not like it's unheard of. They do, they do bite.
1:02:12 Jeff Larson? That's mainly to help them if a shark ever grabs them.
1:02:15 Wes Larson? Yeah, they, I mean, it's like, yeah, it's their only defense, sure. I mean, that's not wrong necessarily, yeah.
1:02:24 Mike Smith? I think they're probably mostly for like eating food.
1:02:27 Jeff Larson? Right.
1:02:27 Mike Smith? I mean, they get it.
1:02:29 Wes Larson? But like, biting defensively, it would be for like, if a shark got him or something got him, they would turn around and try and bite it. He's not wrong.
1:02:37 Mike Smith? What are humans' mouths, mouths most used for?
1:02:41 Wes Larson? Uh, biting, probably.
1:02:42 Jeff Larson? Yeah, talking. Sure, it's talking.
1:02:44 Mike Smith? Breathing.
1:02:44 Jeff Larson? If a shark grabs us.
1:02:46 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:02:50 Mike Smith? Okay, well, something, I thought this is a little interesting to take note of is that unlike other marine attacks, and it's kind of common sense when you think about this for more than a couple of seconds, but the experts were saying... Unlike in shark attacks where you don't want to make a lot of commotion in the water, because that'll attract those kinds of predators, or, you know, sea life, you'll want to get big and kind of flail around violently to scare these turtles off. Which makes sense, because, you know, they're not quite in the same league.
1:03:18 Wes Larson? The difference is like with sharks, you don't want to provoke them to come in and attack you in like a predatory way or a territorial way. And like, that's what their prey does, is splashes around a lot. But like, with turtles, they're not trying to feed on you. Like, they're either being defensive or aggressive, so you're just trying to discourage it. So it makes sense you would splash and make a lot of commotion.
1:03:40 Mike Smith? One of these experts named Demetrius Futilis, I believe is how it's pronounced, he, he explained that turtles can actually come to associate humans with being rivals for their food sources. So, they'll kind of, they'll approach you and try to chase you off. And it's kind of interesting to think of turtles seeing a human as a kind of a competitor almost out of the water.
1:04:04 Wes Larson? That is interesting.
1:04:05 Mike Smith? That imagery.
1:04:06 Wes Larson? Cause they're mostly just eating like sea grass and algae. So that's pretty strange that they would see us as, man, they're dumb.
1:04:14 Mike Smith? They're good at breakdancing now.
1:04:16 Wes Larson? Yeah. Turtles? Oh, they are. That's true.
1:04:20 Mike Smith? Go ninja.
1:04:20 Wes Larson? Go ninja.
1:04:24 Mike Smith? They got one move, but they're so good at.
1:04:28 Wes Larson? They can't really get out of it. After they interviewed this KB person, did she like, step back and hit a fadeaway jumper from like beyond the arc?
1:04:37 Mike Smith? She, she broke out into a live rendition of "Cloud Busting", kind of was really curious.
1:04:42 Wes Larson? Who's that?
1:04:43 Mike Smith? Running, "Kait Bush".
1:04:44 Wes Larson? Oh, "Kait Bush".
1:04:45 Mike Smith? It's her best song. Anyway, um, that's it for the story. So, one final note, I guess. Uh, actually, I lied. I misled you. Not intentionally, I didn't mean to do that. I'm not done yet, Jeff.
1:04:57 Jeff Larson? Stop.
1:04:58 Mike Smith? Okay, but these bites, this infection that KB sustained, they can be fatal if you leave them untreated. Uh, and it was, it really was just one of the most painful things she had ever experienced. So just, uh, you know, we are an animal attack podcast, so as much pain as we can invoke into the conversation, the better, right? Pain and death.
1:05:17 Wes Larson? We wanted those gory details.
1:05:19 Jeff Larson? Couple of times now turtles have eaten someone's ass.
1:05:23 Wes Larson? Yeah, I love it. All right.
1:05:26 Jeff Larson? Like Mike.
1:05:29 Wes Larson? Just like mine.
1:05:31 Wes Larson? I wish dude, it's been so long.
1:05:33 Mike Smith? I got it.
1:05:36 Wes Larson? Just cause it's, just cause it's been a long time, doesn't mean you can't love it. All right, uh, I'm gonna give us a pause to reconnect and then I'm gonna talk about one more sad one. That'll bring us down.
1:05:51 Mike Smith? Yeah, I'm appropriately sad now.
1:05:53 Wes Larson? Okay, this is just a quick one, but one that a couple of people sent to us. A very prominent kite surfer in South Africa was reported missing on September 7th. Where do you guys think this is going?
1:06:05 Mike Smith? Kite surfing.
1:06:06 Wes Larson? Africa kite surfer reported missing.
1:06:09 Mike Smith? Shark.
1:06:09 Wes Larson? You'd think a shark, you know, you hear South Africa and someone going missing in the ocean on an animal attack podcast. You'd think a shark, but it's not. After he went missing, a very large search was launched. His board and his kite were located at sea on September 8th. And then his body was recovered not long after. Initial, initial reports showed that it was probably just a simple tragic drowning. Uh, but then authorities went over all of the evidence in October and a different picture started emerging. Based on damages to his equipment and some video footage that had survived this tragedy. The prevailing theory now is that this guy Graham Howes had been kite boarding with a pod of whales
1:06:50 Wes Larson? near Cape Town when one of these animals breached from the water, struck him with over a ton of force, immediately knocking him out and he drowned to death.
1:06:59 Mike Smith? Wow.
1:06:59 Jeff Larson? Jeez.
1:07:00 Wes Larson? Yeah, so at least, I mean. You know, if this is any consolation, it would be a very quick peaceful way to die. One minute you'd just be kite surfing and the next minute you're dead, you know?
1:07:13 Mike Smith? Sure.
1:07:13 Wes Larson? Because you would just get knocked out and and drown. Like, I don't know, do people wake up when they're drowning? I don't know if you're knocked out from a whale.
1:07:22 Jeff Larson? Drowning when they wake up.
1:07:24 Wes Larson? Yeah. Okay. Anyway, yeah, that's what they think happened. So I'm guessing what they have to have is some video that he shot of like whales next to him. And it was like, you know, they can place it close to the time that he drowned or something. But apparently this was like the guy when it came to the kite boarding community and scene in South Africa. In South Africa, there's been like a ton of nice tributes about him. He seemed like he was a really influential person in that community and like had started a lot of different clubs and all sorts of stuff for it. So he's very missed. Uh, there's some very touching tributes to him, but uh, kind of a crazy way to go, you know?
1:08:06 Mike Smith? Yeah. It's how much power those whales have, just a simple flick of the tail, you know, that's gonna it's really sobering.
1:08:16 Wes Larson? There's a few videos, I think ones in South Africa where you see them breach and land on a boat and just like demolish it. So, yeah, they're huge animals that need to be respected. So, R I P.
1:08:31 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:08:32 Wes Larson? Yeah. All right. That's all I got this week.
1:08:35 Jeff Larson? I'm lucky it's not a bear or you would kill it.
1:08:39 Wes Larson? I wouldn't.
1:08:43 Wes Larson? If it fed on him, then I would say, oh, that's probably a bear you gotta get rid of.
1:08:47 Jeff Larson? I'm just messing with you. I think you make a lot of sense with the bear stuff. You know, you know. Uh, I have a couple of headlines. So on October twenty eighth, I don't know if you guys saw this, but a truck transporting monkeys uh from Tulane University crashed. I think I did see this. These were highly aggressive monkeys too. And weren't they doing like medical tests on them too? Yeah, so they had, yeah, they had hepatitis C, herpes and COVID. And they were just like very aggressive monkeys. All at the same time?
1:09:30 Jeff Larson? And I was looking and it said one of the macaques is still like on the loose. And then I looked into that and they're like, actually three are.
1:09:42 Jeff Larson? Like actually all of them are. And I think they're trying to keep it as hush hush as possible. Because I think a lot of people are just kinda like, that's kinda wack, you gave monkeys herpes, hepatitis and COVID, you know? Yeah, so we're gonna have like COVID twenty five coming out pretty soon and then everyone's gonna blame it on China. And I guess like this type of macaque, I forget what type it is, it's like dirt, or what was it? Reese's?
1:10:14 Mike Smith? Dirt mechanic?
1:10:14 Jeff Larson? Yeah, Reese's is Reese's macaques. That's what they usually use. Ninety-three percent DNA with humans, so I think they- It's not hard to pass diseases then. I think they get pretty fucked over as far as medical experimentation goes. Yeah. I think we've been using them for a while to test different things. You know what? Kinda sucks. Yeah.
1:10:40 Mike Smith? Stop fooling around with macaques for a little bit, everyone out there.
1:10:42 Jeff Larson? Yeah. And then um-
1:10:45 Mike Smith? Just give it till next year.
1:10:46 Wes Larson? What if there was a scientist out there that was just about to with a macaque and then he heard that mic and instruments down?
1:10:54 Mike Smith? Yeah, spread the word. People need to know about tooth and claw. We're saving lives.
1:10:58 Jeff Larson? There there is another sea otter that was kicking people off of surfboards in Santa Cruz. There was some gray wolves in California that were just killed for killing seventy farm animals. Feel like California doesn't have a lot of gray wolves, right?
1:11:16 Wes Larson? They don't. No. And it was over time, too, because like gray wolves could do that in a single night if they really wanted to. This was over a matter of weeks and they finally got rid of them. But, uh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that one.
1:11:30 Jeff Larson? Put it on their flag.
1:11:31 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:11:32 Jeff Larson? Gray wolves.
1:11:35 Mike Smith? Yeah, wolves, bears, put them all on there.
1:11:38 Jeff Larson? Well, that's all I got.
1:11:40 Wes Larson? All right.
1:11:41 Jeff Larson? All right. Should we go categories?
1:11:42 Wes Larson? Let's do it.
1:11:43 Mike Smith? We should.
1:11:44 Jeff Larson? Okay. I will lead our categories today. So this one, I just was curious. You guys take best and worst AI videos you've seen. Uh, I can start us off there. There was one I kind of liked where is just like people scrubbing barnacles off of whales. Like these ships that looked like they were designed to scrub. And these whales would just have like way too many barnacles and then they would just clean them all off. And it's just like, I like power washing videos. Like I've watched so many power washing videos. It's kind of like that same thing a little bit.
1:12:23 Jeff Larson? And then there's been some like kind of funny Pixar movie type ones recently that sometimes they're dumb and sometimes it's like, that's kind of funny. Like AI is making jokes that we can't make because we get in trouble.
1:12:42 Jeff Larson? It's weird thing.
1:12:44 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:12:44 Jeff Larson? It is weird.
1:12:45 Mike Smith? Jeff extolling the virtues of AI because they get to make.
1:12:49 Jeff Larson? Can't cancel.
1:12:50 Wes Larson? Uncancellable.
1:12:51 Jeff Larson? And then there was one. There's one that's like, I think, I mean, obviously this was always coming, but there's a really scary one. Neil deGrasse type Neil deGrasse Tyson, like the, is that how you say his name?
1:13:08 Mike Smith? Yeah. As a physicist.
1:13:10 Jeff Larson? Yeah, he, I just watched one where like it's him saying like, you know what? After like going over all this footage or satellites and all this data we have, I've come to the conclusion the world might actually be flat. And then the video pans out to him actually there. He's like, this is a video that people are sharing and that's a kind of a problem.
1:13:37 Wes Larson? It is a problem.
1:13:38 Mike Smith? Bit of a problem.
1:13:39 Wes Larson? It's already breaking people's brains.
1:13:41 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
1:13:41 Wes Larson? Uh, I want to preface mine, my answer to this question by saying, I'm pretty anti AI. And when I say pretty, like, I mean, very. I think it's, especially when it comes to making like videos, art, photos, anything generative that's that we use human emotion and human soul to make, even if it's like dumb videos. I really, really, really dislike it. So I don't have a single video that I like.
1:14:09 Jeff Larson? So blatantly like copyright stealing too. It's just they're getting away with it.
1:14:16 Mike Smith? Well, that's literally what it is. It just steals other people's.
1:14:19 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:14:20 Mike Smith? Pre-established works of art.
1:14:22 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:14:22 Mike Smith? Yeah, like it can't create art on its own. It is just going off of what is already in existence.
1:14:28 Wes Larson? Kind of.
1:14:28 Mike Smith? So. You know, I, I'm kind of mansplaining those obnoxious, sorry.
1:14:31 Wes Larson? We've, we've talked about this before, but like, I could get chat GPT and say, hey, tell me a story in the, in the like tone of tooth and claw podcast about this incident. And probably save myself, you know, 10 hours of work every week. But I'm not gonna do that because I really distrust AI. I don't like AI. So my favorite video is gonna be, I'm just gonna say a recent one I saw where it was like trying to recreate a sitcom from the nineties. And it was this really disturbing uncanny valley like Friends knockoff. Where people were like replicating themselves and just, it was so strange to watch.
1:15:12 Wes Larson? And the reason that's my favorite is because I don't see how anyone can watch that and think, oh, this is a good thing we got going here, you know, like this thing is gonna really change. And I know it's developing and becoming better and better, but still.
1:15:26 Mike Smith? Right.
1:15:27 Wes Larson? My least favorite is any animal AI video because I get sent a lot of them. And I am so tired of having to tell people that they're sending me an AI video, so.
1:15:39 Mike Smith? See, my favorite one, actually, they're the ones that there's like a drone drone footage above the Amazon River. And then there's just this snake that takes up the entire, that's like.
1:15:50 Jeff Larson? It's kind of funny when people believe it.
1:15:53 Mike Smith? Right. That's, it's funny and it's a problem, but it's like, maybe these people are too dumb to, we should revoke their right to use the internet, maybe.
1:16:02 Wes Larson? Doesn't it kind of make you want to die when you click on the comments and you just see like thirty of people being like, that's crazy, that's the biggest snake I've ever seen.
1:16:10 Jeff Larson? I think it's kind of funny. Hank from Pardon My Take, like the biggest sports podcaster was fell for that particular video. And the whale.
1:16:20 Wes Larson? Crazy. Yeah. I think, I think though, like on a more, like slightly more serious note, I know I've already kind of been a downer about this. But like with animals, the, the thing that scares me is you see these videos that are AI of people doing really dangerous things around animals. And then people think that's real and they think they can get away with that. Or things that are like bad for the animals or whatever. And so for me, it's, it's already bad that you have real videos of people doing that. And now that we have like tons of fake videos of people doing it, it's just like a flood of terrible animal information that's going out in the world. So it, yeah, I don't know.
1:17:00 Jeff Larson? The golden retriever scuba diving was pretty good.
1:17:04 Mike Smith? That's pretty, you gotta admit, that's.
1:17:06 Jeff Larson? The rabbits on the trap.
1:17:07 Wes Larson? Not admit it.
1:17:11 Mike Smith? Yeah, so I think Wes even brought this up somewhat fairly recently, but one of my favorite old movies is Jason, the Argonauts. And there's this really awesome scene where there's these skeletons pop up out of the ground and start attacking the heroes group. And it's just the most intricately staged and choreographed stop motion. And like, there's a whole, there's, I mean, whole documentaries have been made about this specific scene. And then someone on the internet's just like, hey, look what I did to update this old movie using AI. Isn't it so much better? And it was just like, removed all of the magic, removed all of the charm. And it was just like, it looked worse, it looked bad. I just, there's something about it that it was so infuriating to me.
1:17:57 Wes Larson? That's the other thing, yeah.
1:17:58 Mike Smith? People in the comments were just like, oh, my gosh, this is a miracle. And it's like, no, it's not. This is like, we're, this is, we're going towards hell. Yeah, looking at this.
1:18:07 Wes Larson? That's the other thing that's so frustrating for me is it's like, always these tech bros that are like, look what I made. Look how amazing this is. And it's like, right. It looks like horseshit, man. That looks terrible. You know, but then there's 30, like, 300 other people saying, oh, this is incredible. Like, what prompt did you use? You know?
1:18:26 Mike Smith? Makes me need to go lay down.
1:18:28 Wes Larson? Me too.
1:18:28 Jeff Larson? Like, the last real, genuine human art we got was the bored apes.
1:18:36 Mike Smith? It's all been downhill since Bored Ape Club or whatever.
1:18:41 Wes Larson? Oh, I'm so glad you said that, because that's what my, one of my favorite headlines of the month was, which is one of our other categories.
1:18:48 Jeff Larson? Yeah, favorite. So yeah, favorite non-animal headline of just recently.
1:18:55 Wes Larson? I have two, because one of them is kind of animals, because it's about the bored apes, which if you don't know what this is, a while ago, when they were doing NFTs, when NFT was like, the huge thing, and everyone was buying NFTs, which are non-fungible tokens. It's essentially like, you own the digital footprint of a piece of art. It's the dumbest thing. And a lot of people knew it was dumb. But some people didn't. And the biggest one were the bored apes, I think. And people were paying hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars for these things. And I saw a headline this month of this guy who had bought one for 400 something thousand dollars. And he had just sold it for $37,000. And the headline was all about how he
1:19:40 Wes Larson? Thought that he still got his money's worth because he got to be, yeah, he got to be like part of the apes community. It was like the biggest piece of cope. Cope. That I've ever read in my entire life. And he's tattooed with like all these bored ape tattoos and stuff. And then it ended with like apes till I die or something. I can't remember what it was, but it was just like, come on, man. We're all looking for a place to belong. On that one.
1:20:07 Jeff Larson? I remember, I always remember like being at a jazz game and there is, I think Rudy Gobert, like on the jazz, whatever he was important to their winning, but like he was just always like kind of boring.
1:20:22 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:20:23 Jeff Larson? And there's this game where he dunked it with two hands and the guy next to me is like, I'm buying that. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, no, there's this app you can like buy when a player like does something cool. And then you're the only one that owns that video. I was like, sure, but I can still just get that video from online.
1:20:45 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:20:45 Jeff Larson? And they're like, yeah, but like not with this company. And that's where I was kind of like, man.
1:20:53 Wes Larson? It was the biggest like snake oil thing ever. The, the tweet that I-
1:20:57 Jeff Larson? IP or whatever.
1:20:59 Wes Larson? Go ahead, Mike. Crazy.
1:21:00 Mike Smith? No, it's just, I had an employee who was just lamenting the fact that all of his NFTs lost value and he was just not making any money off of this. And after five minutes of complaining about it, he came to the realization, he just said to himself, I just gotta buy more expensive ones, I think. It's like, no, that's not the conclusion. You were, you were headed in the right direction. We didn't quite get there.
1:21:26 Wes Larson? I remember when the apes thing was going crazy, there was someone who had his stolen and he tweeted, my apes, they're gone. And it was just like a tweet I think about all the time. There's just such a weird snapshot in the middle of like a collective psychosis, you know? But.
1:21:48 Mike Smith? Our heart goes out to him.
1:21:49 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:21:50 Jeff Larson? Are you gonna do your other one or should we?
1:21:52 Wes Larson? Yeah, the other one is really quick, but um, do you guys know much about Lily, Lily Allen and David Harbour?
1:21:59 Mike Smith? Oh, yeah. I mean, not a lot, but I know they're.
1:22:02 Wes Larson? Yeah. So they got married a few years ago and Lily Allen, then they got divorced and Lily Allen just released an album. And like every track is about him and how bad he is. There's like a track called, there's a track called Pussy Palace. That's all about how he turned their apartment into just like a sex den and how she had to pick up like all these sex toys and stuff from other women. It's just like the entire album.
1:22:28 Mike Smith? What the?
1:22:28 Wes Larson? Is just them, her airing all of their dirty laundry.
1:22:31 Jeff Larson? That's great.
1:22:32 Wes Larson? And it's pretty crazy. So that was a wild headline from the month. Yeah.
1:22:38 Jeff Larson? Um, okay. My god.
1:22:40 Mike Smith? Jeff. Okay, I got it. So this is the headline. John Woo's Hong Kong classic has been rescued and restored in 4K. You guys know John Woo. We're talking about Hard Boiled here because for a long time we thought the original prints of this movie were just like they were lost to time. No one knew where they were. And then they got discovered, but it started getting tangled up in these, the people that owned the rights had no interest in distributing them to the public. So all we had were just like low quality, low resolution releases or bootlegs, but we're here. It's time. We're getting a physical 4K disc release of one of my 15 favorite movies ever. Top 20 movie for me. Man, I'm so excited.
1:23:22 Jeff Larson? Hard Boiled?
1:23:23 Mike Smith? Hard Boiled, yeah. And a bunch of his other stuff like, yeah.
1:23:26 Jeff Larson? I saw a headline from one of his movies this month about Mission Impossible 2. There's like the scene where the knife is right next to Tom Cruise's eye and he's like doing the wrestling thing. And like it's been done a ton, but I feel like that was an earlier one where they did that. And apparently Tom Cruise insisted it be a real knife.
1:23:47 Mike Smith? Really?
1:23:48 Jeff Larson? Really?
1:23:49 Mike Smith? Oh, my gosh. That's crazy. That's got so.
1:23:52 Jeff Larson? So close to his eyeball. Yeah. Uh, mine was that the show Ridiculousness got canceled.
1:24:00 Mike Smith? Really? It used to be like all MTV shows.
1:24:03 Jeff Larson? After fifteen, it is still.
1:24:05 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:24:05 Jeff Larson? After fifteen seasons, it's getting canceled. So, I don't know, like, I grew up on MTV, just all their stupid dating shows, The Challenge, The Real World, Road Rules. Like, I ate up any MTV content, music videos. So, it's turned into just a channel of ridiculousness, and now that they're getting rid of that, I'm just like, what is MTV gonna be?
1:24:33 Mike Smith? It's gotta just be done, right? Is it dead? I have to go rescue a horse real quick. Kevin's getting harassed. You guys keep going. Yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll cover.
1:24:44 Jeff Larson? Keep talking. Well, I mean, the next one's overrated, so if you have a couple of overrated things.
1:24:51 Mike Smith? I have, I do actually have a couple that I wanted to, I have an overrated one, then a couple underrated, okay? Well, this one, actually, this one's not gonna be that interesting to Wes, but one of my things that I think have always thought was underrated, so, in the Super Nintendo: Link to the Past Legend of Zelda game, it's always been a little bit of a sore spot for fans of the series that that Link had pink hair. And I've always thought it was like actually a really cool detail, and I was like, it makes him so unique, and I think it actually looks really cool, and it makes him just like a distinct sprite on the screen. I was like, Jeff's got pink hair now, we gotta talk about this, because I just think generally now, pink hair is cool. It turns out in the real world, it's cool too, not just video games.
1:25:34 Jeff Larson? I've, I've been loving it. The first week, I had some real anxiety going out in public. Not that I thought it looked bad, it's just like, I didn't wanna stand out, which is like a weird thing to say for someone who just dyed their hair pink.
1:25:47 Mike Smith? Right. Yeah.
1:25:48 Jeff Larson? But now I'm gotten over that.
1:25:51 Mike Smith? Do people talk to you about it? Do they approach you?
1:25:54 Jeff Larson? Yeah, and like the gas station a block away from me where I like get snacks and drinks like almost daily.
1:26:01 Mike Smith? Uh huh.
1:26:02 Jeff Larson? Half the employees have colored hair.
1:26:04 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:26:05 Jeff Larson? So it's kind of like they feel like they can just strike up conversation with me now, which is a little annoying.
1:26:11 Mike Smith? It is kind of a like, yeah, but you're like part of a club, which is.
1:26:14 Jeff Larson? Yeah, and I like call them twin and stuff.
1:26:17 Mike Smith? Yeah, I just, I've always thought it was really dumb how like basically every content creator that talks about Zelda, and there's a lot of them that do it for like literally that's their job is to like make Zelda videos on YouTube. They all hate the pink hair on Link and it's like, why? Why? It's like kind of cool to me. It always has been.
1:26:35 Jeff Larson? Like one time, yeah.
1:26:37 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:26:38 Wes Larson? Jeff's looks cool, especially now that it's grown out a little bit too.
1:26:41 Mike Smith? The roots are a little, yeah, it looks sweet.
1:26:43 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:26:43 Jeff Larson? Do you have like an athlete right now who you think's the most overrated?
1:26:48 Mike Smith? Is Jalen Hurts kind of gonna be that guy for me?
1:26:51 Jeff Larson? Oh, I'm, I think he's underrated. I think he's like as good as any quarterback.
1:26:56 Mike Smith? Really? Is he passing better? Cause the first like few games, he was just wasn't even throwing the ball at all.
1:27:01 Jeff Larson? Yeah, they didn't.
1:27:03 Mike Smith? Okay, good.
1:27:04 Jeff Larson? He has like, yeah, he has some of the most passing yards.
1:27:08 Mike Smith? I'll go with Austin Reeves. Shoots thirty free throws.
1:27:11 Jeff Larson? I think I might go Anthony Edwards. Like I think he's really good, but not like the next face of the league.
1:27:18 Mike Smith? Sure. Yeah, I think that's fair.
1:27:19 Jeff Larson? Like I think he's like Donovan Mitchell type player.
1:27:22 Mike Smith? Mm hmm. Okay.
1:27:23 Jeff Larson? All right, Wes.
1:27:24 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:27:25 Jeff Larson? We're, we're going to a category now that you're here. That was just us filling space, but most overrated thing.
1:27:32 Wes Larson? I gotta tell you what was just happening. So we have three horses. We have Guapo, who's older, Itchy, who's really new. And then Kev, who's really older and tiny, and Kev has been sick for a while and probably not going to last too much longer. And Itchy was just like kicking him and jumping on him and like making him run all over and his feet are very tender. So I had to run out and separate him.
1:27:55 Jeff Larson? Oh man.
1:27:56 Wes Larson? Yeah, poor little guy. He's limping around now.
1:27:58 Mike Smith? Sorry Kevin.
1:27:59 Wes Larson? Yeah. Anyway, uh, overrated. Is that what it is? Something overrated?
1:28:04 Mike Smith? Yes.
1:28:05 Wes Larson? Um, I'm gonna go ahead and say one that's gonna be a little.
1:28:11 Wes Larson? Itchy's beautiful, but he is kind of a handful. Uh, something a little controversial that a lot of people aren't gonna agree with me on. And that's that I think soup is overrated.
1:28:21 Jeff Larson? Oh, wow. Yeah.
1:28:22 Mike Smith? What the heck?
1:28:22 Jeff Larson? I disagree.
1:28:23 Wes Larson? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's rare that I get soup that I'm just, that I really like it. And it usually fills me up enough that I don't want ever, I don't want whatever comes next. So I don't really like it as like a entree. And then for a meal, it's not filling enough for me, if that makes sense.
1:28:41 Mike Smith? Okay.
1:28:42 Wes Larson? It doesn't. I know I'm, I'm kinda contradicting myself there.
1:28:45 Jeff Larson? I get what you're saying.
1:28:46 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:28:46 Jeff Larson? Like a salad before your meal, it doesn't like ruin your meal coming up, but a soup, you get too full.
1:28:53 Wes Larson? Yeah. And I think if I'm really cold, I would rather just have like a hot beverage than a hot soup.
1:29:00 Mike Smith? Okay.
1:29:00 Wes Larson? But I do like certain soups and I tend to like thicker soups, like a potato soup or a split pea soup or something like that, a creamier soup. But, uh, I'm not a huge soup guy.
1:29:10 Mike Smith? My follow up.
1:29:11 Wes Larson? I'm just not a big soup guy.
1:29:12 Jeff Larson? Alright.
1:29:13 Mike Smith? You're not a big any guy. You're a little guy.
1:29:16 Wes Larson? I'm smaller. I'm on the smaller side.
1:29:18 Mike Smith? Like a little soup guy.
1:29:19 Wes Larson? I wouldn't say I'm little.
1:29:21 Jeff Larson? One, I think you found one most people would disagree with, which is like kinda the good way to do it. Uh, I went with Jake from State Farm. Just like, I don't think he's ever really had a good moment. Like the original Jake's commercial is funny.
1:29:36 Wes Larson? Yeah. It's kinda like, how did that, how did it last this long? Why do we still have this?
1:29:41 Jeff Larson? Like, why are we, like Flo has had a couple commercials make me laugh. I don't think Jake ever has.
1:29:48 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:29:48 Jeff Larson? The first guy wasn't an actor. He was like an actual State Farm employee that they just used for that one commercial and the joke was funny.
1:29:57 Mike Smith? Okay. His khaki pants, that was funny.
1:29:59 Jeff Larson? I mean, I don't, I don't have anything against Jake. No. But I just think his writing maybe.
1:30:07 Mike Smith? Yeah, he needs better, better writing room.
1:30:09 Wes Larson? Like getting his bag, you know?
1:30:11 Mike Smith? Sure.
1:30:11 Jeff Larson? Me and Mike saw him.
1:30:13 Wes Larson? Dollars. Yeah.
1:30:14 Mike Smith? We did, yeah.
1:30:15 Jeff Larson? At a Chargers game. Everyone was going crazy.
1:30:18 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:30:19 Wes Larson? That is like a little niche celebrity to get a photo with or something.
1:30:23 Jeff Larson? You know what? I hope he never gets fired because
1:30:26 Wes Larson? Me too.
1:30:27 Jeff Larson? Everyone recognizes him. So like, he has like that celebrity thing where people want pictures with him. But then he doesn't get like the benefits of being a celebrity, really.
1:30:39 Mike Smith? Right.
1:30:39 Jeff Larson? Like if he got fired and just had to take pictures with everyone and couldn't go in public, but it's just Jake from State Farm.
1:30:48 Wes Larson? And he's not gonna get like other gigs like that. Yeah.
1:30:52 Jeff Larson? Alright. Oh Mike, do you have one?
1:30:55 Mike Smith? I say this is gonna piss a lot of people off too, but I think crossbows are overrated.
1:31:00 Wes Larson? Yeah, I'm with you there.
1:31:02 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:31:02 Wes Larson? Like, real bow and arrows are so much cooler than your crossbow.
1:31:05 Mike Smith? They're like beautiful and elegant and like way cooler.
1:31:08 Wes Larson? Like just get a gun if you're gonna get a crossbow.
1:31:10 Mike Smith? That's the thing. You have to like, it takes like 10 minutes to reload them and you have to like step on it and pull the thing back. And it's like not that, I don't think it's even much stronger than a bow at all. Might not even be as strong. Yeah, they're just like the, like a noob weapon, you know? You gotta train for forever to be awesome with a bow.
1:31:27 Jeff Larson? Guns were like a big thing. That's when crossbows were cool.
1:31:31 Wes Larson? Yeah, they shoot bolts, which is dumb.
1:31:33 Mike Smith? Bolts? Yeah, call them an arrow. That's, I don't know, you trying to be special, calling them a bolt?
1:31:38 Jeff Larson? Like in Game of Thrones, having a crossbow, it's like, yeah, that's kinda cool. Like Joffrey.
1:31:44 Wes Larson? That guy was cool.
1:31:44 Mike Smith? No, that's what I'm saying.
1:31:46 Wes Larson? It was still like the cowards that use them in Game of Thrones.
1:31:49 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:31:51 Mike Smith? Bows are, bows are cool.
1:31:52 Jeff Larson? I'm saying though it made sense then, now it doesn't really make sense because you could have a gun.
1:31:58 Mike Smith? To use it. I mean, that doesn't make sense to really use a bow and arrow either, does it? I guess hunters.
1:32:03 Jeff Larson? It's more traditional feeling than a crossbow.
1:32:07 Mike Smith? Exactly.
1:32:07 Jeff Larson? Um, with zombies, it makes sense.
1:32:11 Mike Smith? Okay.
1:32:12 Jeff Larson? Cause the gun makes a lot of noise and brings in more. So a crossbow, it's like you don't make any noise, you kill him. It's better than bow and arrow. Yeah. Daryl, Daryl has a crossbow. He's pretty quick with it.
1:32:26 Wes Larson? There's a, there's this video of this guy online that I don't know his name, but it's this trick bow and arrow guy. It's the most incredible video I've ever seen in my entire life. Where this guy can shoot so fast and so accurately with his bow. It absolutely blew me away. So look it up sometime because it, it makes you think like.
1:32:51 Jeff Larson? Take it and I'm gonna make AI make it like 20% faster.
1:32:55 Wes Larson? Don't do it.
1:32:58 Wes Larson? I'm sure it already exists, but man, it is so cool. So look it up.
1:33:02 Jeff Larson? My video gets so many views when I make it just a little bit faster even.
1:33:09 Jeff Larson? Best recent animal you've seen in TV, movies, or pop culture?
1:33:14 Mike Smith? Uh, I had, I told Wes to watch Invasion of the Body Snatchers recently and there's a dog that gets a human face on it, in it. And it parts, it's so cool. And it, it like runs out and it's weird because it looks re, like super realistic somehow. I think it was just a mask that they put over the head of a dog. But there's this shot where its tongue flicks out of the mouth and it looks really just oddly realistic to me. And it's just like my favorite part of that movie. Unless did he neglected to even bring it up when we talked about the movie.
1:33:45 Jeff Larson? I know.
1:33:45 Wes Larson? It's great.
1:33:48 Wes Larson? We just watched Good Boy, which is about a dog that's like seeing ghosts. And it features like a pretty singular performance by a dog. I just, and the dog was so cute. It just was a dog that I just wanted to like take into my house because he's going through all this terrible stuff and I just wanted him to like be happy. But, uh, I, I really liked that dog in that movie. So that was my.
1:34:12 Jeff Larson? Your house has ghosts.
1:34:13 Wes Larson? It might, but my house is a great spot for a dog.
1:34:16 Jeff Larson? Yeah. I'm gonna go with Eagly from, uh, Peacemaker. Peacemaker. Yeah. Peacemaker. Uh, just a sweet sidekick animal to have, you know?
1:34:28 Wes Larson? So. And shout out them. They used the right like animal noises for a bald eagle. They didn't use a red-tailed hawk.
1:34:36 Jeff Larson? Yeah. There you go. Nice job. Uh, James Gunn. All right. Next one.
1:34:42 Jeff Larson? You think that is a John Cena moment? He is like, hey guys.
1:34:46 Mike Smith? I think he made the call. He was like, no, we gotta have a real eagle noise. Real ball.
1:34:51 Jeff Larson? I have some listener questions. From hi Lizays. Is Jeff actually a huge gun guy or is that a bit? Uh, no, I mean, you ask me any type of gun, Wes.
1:35:05 Wes Larson? He'll say it. Yeah.
1:35:06 Jeff Larson? Uh, ask me any type.
1:35:08 Wes Larson? A big one.
1:35:09 Jeff Larson? Big gun bazooka.
1:35:10 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:35:10 Mike Smith? There we go.
1:35:12 Jeff Larson? Mike asked me any type of gun.
1:35:15 Mike Smith? A little gun.
1:35:16 Jeff Larson? Um, uh, uh, no, magnums are big. Like a.
1:35:21 Wes Larson? PB7?
1:35:23 Jeff Larson? Well, you took it.
1:35:27 Mike Smith? But this is the kind of expertise you can expect out of it. He wants to be.
1:35:30 Jeff Larson? Little purse gun, little gun in your purse.
1:35:33 Mike Smith? Yeah, right. See?
1:35:34 Wes Larson? Right.
1:35:35 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:35:35 Jeff Larson? Purse gun.
1:35:36 Wes Larson? Okay.
1:35:36 Mike Smith? He's got it like, like that. He's got it just right at the top.
1:35:39 Wes Larson? That should answer your question. Yep.
1:35:41 Jeff Larson? Um. Heather XXS asks, what's one thing you'll never do again? Wes is Panda Express.
1:35:50 Wes Larson? Uh. Yeah, honestly.
1:35:53 Mike Smith? Yeah, we know how he feels about it.
1:35:55 Jeff Larson? Danielle too. She just got really sick from it.
1:35:59 Wes Larson? Probably never be religious again.
1:36:01 Jeff Larson? Oh, wow.
1:36:02 Mike Smith? I think I'm never gonna bungee jump ever again. I was really feeling torn in two directions when we were, we went bungee jumping off this really big bridge.
1:36:09 Jeff Larson? Physically.
1:36:10 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:36:13 Mike Smith? But we went off, I don't know how, how high that jump was.
1:36:16 Wes Larson? It was like 300 something. Yeah.
1:36:18 Mike Smith? It was really, it was a big one. And I was like, well, I'm either, I've done about as big as I'll ever do it. Or I'll just need to like really commit and become like serious about bungee jumping. Because it was fun, but I don't think I'm ever gonna have a better opportunity than that one. So I was like, I think I've just reached my peak as a bungee jumper off that bridge.
1:36:39 Jeff Larson? It really hurt me. Like they put it on my shins instead of my ankles. And it's just like so much pressure on my shins.
1:36:47 Wes Larson? Yeah. Yeah. It, it wasn't nearly as fun as this swing that they were doing off the bridge.
1:36:52 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
1:36:52 Mike Smith? Man, the swing was so much more pleasant.
1:36:54 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:36:55 Jeff Larson? Yeah, no, that's good. What's something I'll never do again?
1:36:59 Wes Larson? I don't know, this was your category.
1:37:01 Jeff Larson? No, it's not a category, it's a listener question.
1:37:03 Wes Larson? Oh, listener question.
1:37:04 Mike Smith? Like Elvis Costello?
1:37:05 Wes Larson? Um, hmm.
1:37:07 Jeff Larson? You didn't, I gave you yours, right? Did you say one, Wes?
1:37:11 Wes Larson? I said, probably never be religious again.
1:37:14 Jeff Larson? Oh, yeah. Um, I mean, I could, could take that one.
1:37:20 Wes Larson? Could.
1:37:22 Mike Smith? Never gonna, you'll never try meth again, right? After that one, after the incident?
1:37:27 Wes Larson? Never watch, never watch Paranormal.
1:37:30 Mike Smith? I guess Adderall is kinda, yeah.
1:37:32 Jeff Larson? Yeah, I wouldn't, I, maybe, uh, damn, I'm sorry, I'm blanking, guys. I do never do any more activity.
1:37:39 Mike Smith? Elementary school, my hope, I hope you never go back, one of those.
1:37:45 Jeff Larson? Um, alright, Becca's Killin' asks, is there any animal you would suggest not using bear spray on? I carry it hiking everywhere.
1:37:55 Mike Smith? No. Like your pet lizard?
1:37:57 Wes Larson? There's definitely animals that, yeah, oh, actually, you know what, a rattlesnake, don't use it on a rattlesnake. That's the one I would suggest, or a shark, sure.
1:38:06 Mike Smith? Or one of those dogs that like a, like a comfort support dog?
1:38:10 Wes Larson? Yeah, don't use it on someone's dog, uh, unless it's attacking.
1:38:13 Mike Smith? Like on the airplane?
1:38:14 Wes Larson? Uh, it works pretty well on all mammals. There's some mammals that it's gonna be less effective, like probably a bison, it's not gonna be as effective, but it would probably still work, so. But I wouldn't use it on any reptiles or any fish.
1:38:27 Jeff Larson? I, I don't think I'll ever share a room again, like, as a roommate, shared room.
1:38:32 Wes Larson? That's a good answer, I won't ever do that either.
1:38:35 Jeff Larson? As a roommate, I wouldn't call wife a roommate, but, you know?
1:38:39 Mike Smith? On a technical level, I think.
1:38:41 Jeff Larson? If my wife was on board for like the separate bedrooms thing, I'd be so happy.
1:38:45 Wes Larson? It's not a bad idea, yeah.
1:38:48 Jeff Larson? I like sleeping alone.
1:38:50 Wes Larson? Yeah, I do too, but there are nights where it's just like so nice to curl up next to someone else. So.
1:38:57 Jeff Larson? Um.
1:38:58 Wes Larson? That's someone being Jesse.
1:39:00 Jeff Larson? Emerson asks, will you all ever come to New Zealand? Mike?
1:39:05 Mike Smith? Hey, I would, I mean, I've been once now and I'd love to go back. It was an amazing place. I had a great time. I was only there for like three days.
1:39:13 Wes Larson? The Shire.
1:39:14 Mike Smith? Yeah, Shireton.
1:39:15 Wes Larson? The Hobbiton.
1:39:16 Jeff Larson? The Sheraton.
1:39:17 Mike Smith? Hobbiton.
1:39:17 Wes Larson? Sheraton.
1:39:18 Mike Smith? I went to the Green Dragon and I had a pint and a big ol' scone.
1:39:23 Wes Larson? I really wanna go. I, you know what? I'm not like too interested in New Zealand outside of that, but I really wanna see all of the.
1:39:31 Jeff Larson? There's not like too much wildlife that seems interesting.
1:39:35 Wes Larson? Yeah, it just really feels a lot like Montana, you know? It doesn't feel that different, but I do really wanna go there.
1:39:41 Mike Smith? No way. Montana has nothing compared to Milford Sound.
1:39:45 Wes Larson? Sure.
1:39:45 Mike Smith? Milford Sound?
1:39:47 Wes Larson? It is a great name.
1:39:49 Mike Smith? You got nothing like that.
1:39:50 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:39:51 Jeff Larson? It'd be a good like.
1:39:52 Mike Smith? It is awesome.
1:39:53 Jeff Larson? Kayaking, fly fishing place.
1:39:56 Wes Larson? It would, but so is Montana.
1:39:58 Jeff Larson? Nah.
1:39:58 Mike Smith? I love the people there. There is some of the most pleasant people I've ever interacted with.
1:40:02 Wes Larson? Yeah. Every New Zealander I've met has been really nice.
1:40:06 Jeff Larson? Mediocre Magic wants to ask, what's the best roller coaster ride you've ever been on?
1:40:13 Wes Larson? Mine honestly might be Cannibal at Lagunitas.
1:40:16 Jeff Larson? Cannibal and Buffalo Bills for me and Buffalo Bills is out of order forever.
1:40:21 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:40:22 Mike Smith? I forget, there were two in Busch Gardens in Florida. That place was just like the best to go when I was little, but they had two, there was an Egyptian themed one and then one called, I think, Black Panther or something Cougar, Puma, I don't know. Um, one of those two, I'll go with the Egyptian one. I like that one so much. I'd forced my dad to buy me like a little Egyptian rod, like one of those ritual, like wooden rod thing.
1:40:48 Wes Larson? This was two years ago.
1:40:49 Mike Smith? I still have it.
1:40:50 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:40:50 Mike Smith? Yeah, two, two years ago. Shout out dad, man.
1:40:54 Jeff Larson? I, I'm interested what you guys think of this one. Elijah Mo asks, when have you been the most proud of yourself in your life? Hmm.
1:41:03 Mike Smith? There's this one time we were in an airport in India and I really kept my cool in a situation that really...
1:41:11 Jeff Larson? That's crazy.
1:41:13 Mike Smith? I didn't even say anything to that guy, Jeff.
1:41:15 Jeff Larson? You were losing it.
1:41:15 Mike Smith? Not a word to him.
1:41:17 Wes Larson? Maybe when the Nat Geo article came out, or when we were on This American Life, those were two times that I was very proud. But honestly, and like this is gonna sound like kind of a simpering answer, but like getting messages from people saying that their kids wanna be wildlife biologists, or look up to us, or have like decided that they really care about the natural world because of our show, is, always fills me with like a really big sense of pride. So that's, that's up there for me. Someone recently told me I was their Steve Irwin and it like really hit hard.
1:41:52 Jeff Larson? Yeah, that's great.
1:41:53 Wes Larson? Yeah, so that sort of thing.
1:41:54 Jeff Larson? Yeah, someone wrote me and said like, I never even responded to him. I'm sorry. I hope they're listening. But they said that I was like the funniest person to them of like any person, even like comedians. And that was like, I was pretty proud of myself for that.
1:42:11 Mike Smith? I find there's this, whenever, and it's rare, I think, to have moments of genuine altruism when you do something good for somebody else for the right reasons. And it's those moments where you look back on like volunteering on a random weekend to help somebody move, or like work in a food kitchen or something. Like that's just something I'll never, ever regret. And it's kind of weird to like look back on those and feel proud of myself, like, man, I'm such an awesome and good person. But like, I don't know. It, I guess that is kind of what I'm feeling in a way, but just a really, like the sense of like, I'm contributing to humanity. I'm not just like a leech, you know?
1:42:50 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:42:51 Jeff Larson? Yours should be when you beat that video game where you had to swim through the spikes.
1:42:56 Mike Smith? Oh, Alex Kidd in Miracle World?
1:42:58 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
1:42:58 Mike Smith? Okay. Yeah, the very end of Alex Kidd.
1:43:00 Jeff Larson? Who were you playing that with?
1:43:02 Mike Smith? Brent. We played that game for like 72 hours straight, trying to get through that little water part.
1:43:09 Jeff Larson? Maybe when we beat the Dallas Mavericks in NBA Jam, that was like, that took a long time.
1:43:19 Wes Larson? I'm the only person I've ever met that's beat the game Battletoads. And I'm pretty proud of myself for that.
1:43:25 Mike Smith? I honestly like, I am proud of you for that, but I don't believe you.
1:43:30 Wes Larson? That's fine.
1:43:30 Mike Smith? I don't believe anyone's ever beaten that game.
1:43:31 Wes Larson? I can tell you what the last level looks like right now. It's the spinning tower that you have to get up and you attack the like the woman with the boobs.
1:43:39 Mike Smith? Yeah, yeah, rack.
1:43:41 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:43:42 Jeff Larson? I beat it. I, I think that does it.
1:43:44 Mike Smith? That's amazing.
1:43:46 Mike Smith? The biggest accomplishment anyone's ever, yeah, whatever.
1:43:49 Wes Larson? Yeah. Uh, well, thanks, guys. Thank you, everyone, for story submissions. Uh, thank you especially to our subscribers. We love you so much. Ah, we love you. Uh, all right. Well, I'll see you guys in a couple of days in Costa Rica.
1:44:05 Jeff Larson? Love ya.
1:44:06 Wes Larson? Love ya, bye.
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