Pod Insights Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks Bears Being Framed - Two Stories of Bears Being Blamed for Crimes They Obviously Did Not Do, Peanut the Squirrel, a Macaque Prison Break, and More About this episode Wes covers a couple of recent stories involving dumb and bad men trying to blame their crimes on bears, while Mike digs into a story that he has somehow completely missed out on until now as he has been out of the country for the duration of it, and Jeff shares a story about a tragic lion mauling.
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0:12 Jeff Larson? Hello everyone, welcome to Tooth and Claw Podcast. We have our bear biologist Wes Larson with us.
0:20 Wes Larson? That's me.
0:21 Jeff Larson? Oh yeah. I'm his younger brother Jeff. And then we also have our big dumb friend Mike.
0:32 Mike Smith? I'm not that big.
0:35 Wes Larson? Or dumb.
0:36 Mike Smith? I don't know about that.
0:37 Wes Larson? When you just said your name, it made me think of all the nicknames you've had over your life. What, when you were little, what was your least favorite and your favorite nickname?
0:47 Jeff Larson? I think Jafers was my favorite. Rainbow Princess, Sloth, Speff.
0:55 Jeff Larson? Those are probably my least favorites.
0:57 Wes Larson? Yeah, Special Jeff. We were pretty dumb. The nicknames weren't the best. Well, I had some good ones too. Cyrus, Cyrus exclusively called me Wuss for like most of my life. That was pretty much.
1:13 Jeff Larson? Wussly though. You gotta put the Wussly.
1:16 Wes Larson? It was mostly Wuss, but then when he wanted to be proper, he called me Wussly.
1:20 Jeff Larson? Wes, so we did like a little bonus thing that wasn't even good enough.
1:24 Mike Smith? Sports.
1:25 Jeff Larson? Yeah, like all sports all time. I don't even know, did we put it on Apple subscriptions?
1:29 Mike Smith? Oh, we should have.
1:30 Jeff Larson? They might want it now.
1:31 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:32 Wes Larson? Why not?
1:33 Jeff Larson? But anyways, we brought Braxton on too. Who like is mainly Mike's friend, Bill. Bill Paxton.
1:41 Wes Larson? Yeah, Bill Braxton.
1:42 Jeff Larson? We're all becoming friends with Bill. He's great. But anyways, we left Bill to like, take care of the episode. And there's like a little moment where I brought up that Mike pointed out in the NBA finals that you could see LeBron's penis from like the sky cam for like a split second.
2:03 Wes Larson? When he pulled his shorts out.
2:05 Jeff Larson? Yeah, when he like aired his shorts out and we like rewinded and then like looked at it and everything. And then the episode just ended. Bill just like ended the episode right there.
2:17 Jeff Larson? There's like fifteen minutes of episode left and that's where like people ended and everyone in the comments were like, I kept rewinding that part. And like I was thinking about it.
2:30 Mike Smith? Oh, it's so funny.
2:31 Jeff Larson? It could have ended at a worse spot because it wasn't quite abrupt enough like a mid word. Like Mike finished his sentence about like.
2:40 Mike Smith? My dad wanting us to rewind.
2:42 Jeff Larson? Asked him to rewind it and then it just ends.
2:48 Mike Smith? So.
2:49 Wes Larson? It's on my list to watch it.
2:50 Mike Smith? Oh, it's so funny.
2:51 Wes Larson? Not the, not the penis thing, the sports all the time.
2:54 Mike Smith? Sure. The penis thing is worth a watch too, if you.
2:57 Wes Larson? I've seen it.
2:57 Mike Smith? Are interested.
2:58 Jeff Larson? Yeah, I was mad he didn't put that video in there.
3:01 Mike Smith? Yeah. I think Patreon would have given us a, a content warning strike, but um, it wasn't actually Braxton's fault. It was just the upload guy. It was a weird upload. The bitrate was wrong. I don't know. We're not, still not really sure, but it should be fixed by now. Which is kind of a shame, but probably for the best.
3:19 Wes Larson? Yeah.
3:19 Jeff Larson? Oh, man, it is so funny.
3:21 Wes Larson? I'm gonna watch it. You guys wanna hear an unfortunate story that I, that happened to me yesterday?
3:26 Mike Smith? Uh, yeah.
3:27 Wes Larson? So you guys know I have an inner ear problem, right? I got u-station tube dysfunction. So it's been going on since like twenty eighteen, pretty much my ears never clear and they always are making little popping and staticky noises.
3:40 Jeff Larson? Wasn't it from like a scuba flying combo type thing?
3:43 Wes Larson? No, it was just a flying, like a flight that was weird and it, my ears went weird and they never recovered. And it's annoying, but it's kind of become my new normal. But yesterday I went out to cut a Christmas tree and I was like stumbling and a stick went perfectly into my ear and ruptured my eardrum.
4:01 Mike Smith? No way.
4:02 Wes Larson? Yeah.
4:04 Jeff Larson? Geez, like Luke blowing up the death die type.
4:07 Mike Smith? One in a million, kid.
4:09 Wes Larson? So I, uh, I lost hearing. It felt like someone had like packed one side with cotton and then when I was trying to equalize, I could just hear air rushing out of my ear. And it was like warm, like I could feel the air like traveling and going through that side.
4:24 Mike Smith? Ugh.
4:25 Wes Larson? But I went to a doctor. Today and he immediately was like, yeah, you ruptured your eardrum. But he said it's just like a perfect hole. And that he thinks it'll heal on its own. So I just kind of have to like, deal with this weird pressure imbalance for like a few weeks. Until it heals itself. Yeah.
4:43 Jeff Larson? That sucks.
4:44 Wes Larson? It sucks.
4:44 Jeff Larson? It sucks like I always, when I have something like a ear problem like that going on, I feel like if I do. Like a rupture like that, it'll fix the problem, you know?
4:55 Wes Larson? Yeah.
4:56 Jeff Larson? I think it's from like, growing up with like the. First edition Nintendos and stuff, if you just like pound on it, it fixed it.
5:05 Jeff Larson? It's just like our body, my body, I attribute that to now, it's just like. If I just hurt this thing that hurts more, it'll fix it. So maybe it'll fix it is my point.
5:16 Wes Larson? Rupturing your eardrum isn't very chill.
5:18 Mike Smith? Yeah.
5:19 Wes Larson? Don't do it.
5:19 Mike Smith? Don't recommend that. You should have saved that story for our spinoff podcast, the plant attack. When when trees attack.
5:26 Wes Larson? Attacked by a tree.
5:28 Jeff Larson? Tooth and plant.
5:29 Mike Smith? Right.
5:29 Wes Larson? But I got a good Christmas tree, so.
5:31 Mike Smith? Well, that's great. In one of those two.
5:34 Jeff Larson? Yeah, it doesn't seem worth it.
5:37 Wes Larson? No, it wasn't worth it, but. Oh, well, anyway, that's my story.
5:42 Mike Smith? Good one.
5:43 Jeff Larson? Well, I like it.
5:44 Wes Larson? Well, Mike's in Japan.
5:45 Mike Smith? Hey.
5:46 Wes Larson? We're, you know, we're on opposite sides of the world. I just got back from Ecuador. So you know, Mike, we don't want to keep you away from all that ramen and anime and what are those places called?
5:56 Mike Smith? Soaplands.
5:57 Wes Larson? No.
5:58 Jeff Larson? The massage parlors.
6:00 Wes Larson? Not massage parlors, the other, but it's kind of like that, like a hostess bar.
6:04 Mike Smith? Yeah.
6:04 Wes Larson? Right?
6:04 Mike Smith? Well, Soapland is kind of what you're trying to get at, but I know what you mean.
6:09 Wes Larson? Okay, you knew what I was talking about.
6:11 Mike Smith? Oh, do I ever?
6:13 Wes Larson? Uh, this week is our ever so often news episode where we catch everyone up on what's been going on. In the wider world of animal news. Sometimes we talk about attacks, sometimes we just talk about interesting stories. But we're just, we're kind of, you know, we get sent a lot of stories. People want to hear us talk about it. So that's what we're here to do. We're going to talk about it.
6:34 Mike Smith? Let's talk.
6:35 Wes Larson? So it is, I should just say like, this is atypical from our, our normal episodes. Our normal episodes are dealing with like one story, one species generally. And this is about every six weeks, we do this where we just go over some recent stuff. And if you guys want, I can go first. I've got two kind of bangers right out of the bat. Ones that we were sent a lot.
6:56 Jeff Larson? Yeah, I don't wanna go first.
6:57 Mike Smith? Go Wes.
6:58 Wes Larson? Alright, I'll go first. I'm gonna tell both of them though. So you're gonna have to just buckle in a little bit.
7:02 Mike Smith? Back to back.
7:03 Jeff Larson? Oh.
7:03 Wes Larson? Well, it's a segment, and I call this segment BBBBB, or Bad Boys Be Blaming Bears. That's what it's called.
7:11 Jeff Larson? Alright.
7:12 Wes Larson? Um, we're workshopping that. On October 10th, Dustin Kersum, and I, I'm, his last name is K J E R S E M, so I don't totally know how to pronounce it. I'm just gonna call him Dustin from here on out. But he headed into the woods not far from Big Sky, Montana, which is somewhat close to Bozeman. And he's going out there for a little overnight camping trip. And the next day, his girlfriend was expecting a ride from him, but he didn't show up. So she knew more or less where he was camping, uh, the Moose Creek area. And she went looking for him with a friend. And October 12th, two days later, they found him. And unfortunately, he was dead.
7:52 Wes Larson? Dustin's body had been mangled and torn up so badly that immediately the first thing they thought of was that he had been attacked by a bear. So they reported the death as a probable bear attack. And officials from Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks responded to the scene to do an investigation. But when they got there, they immediately were really dubious that a bear had caused the attack. Because they didn't find any scat, any hair, or any tracks around the body. So they're pretty sure it wasn't a bear, and the focus switched to a homicide. So they, law enforcement kind of put out the call. They were like, does anyone know what could have happened here? They're searching for a potential culprit. But initially, and I remember this, when this was reported, like the day of,
8:35 Wes Larson? people were saying it was a bear attack, like probable bear attack. A few people sent it to us, like, oh, this guy got mauled and killed really badly in Montana. And then like a couple of days later, they're, they're like, JK, not a bear attack. This was actually a homicide.
8:49 Jeff Larson? Oh, yikes.
8:50 Wes Larson? Yikes. Uh, it gets, yeah, it's pretty bad.
8:53 Jeff Larson? Arrest any bears.
8:55 Wes Larson? Yeah, if they arrest any bears, they're gonna get sued by those bears. Um, so it actually wasn't long before law enforcement had the murderer in handcuffs. And a simple beer can was a piece of evidence that would put him behind bars.
9:08 Mike Smith? Not a bear can.
9:09 Wes Larson? So let's rewind. A beer.
9:11 Mike Smith? That would have given it away. That would have been a bear probably in that case.
9:14 Wes Larson? Yes, that would have been a bear if it was a bear can, whatever that is. On October 10th Dustin settled into his campsite and a stranger approaches him near his fire and Dustin who by all accounts was a really kind and compassionate person offered this man a beer and they sat down in his camp chatting. The stranger was 41 year old Darren Christopher Abbey, a skinhead neo-Nazi with an extensive crime record. So during that evening, something caused Abbey to attack Dustin and he killed him really violently. He hit him over the head with a piece of firewood, he stabbed him in the neck with a screwdriver and then he smashed his face with the blunt side of an axe.
9:56 Jeff Larson? Geez.
9:57 Wes Larson? So really bad, really violent and then he also chopped his body up quite a bit too. And I don't know if maybe that was him trying to make it look like a bear attack or something because I'm pretty sure Dustin was already dead at that point. He then did the best to take anything that he might have touched from the scene, dispose of any evidence, but he forgot one thing and it was one of the beer cans that he had discarded. No, that wasn't it.
10:21 Jeff Larson? Because they look for bear poop.
10:23 Wes Larson? Bear poop, yep. Sprinkle some bear hair and tracks around. Um, so he then returned to the Big Sky, which is kind of a resort town and a couple weeks later, a couple weeks later, he was reported to the police because he was making white supremacist comments to employees at a tasting room and generally just kind of scaring people. So this put him on the radar of the local police and I will say like, if you just murdered someone violently, you probably shouldn't like walk around a resort town making a bunch of white supremacist comments because I think there's a good chance someone's gonna call the police. You shouldn't do that regardless, but um, definitely if you just murdered someone. Uh, so he's reported to the police, this puts him on their radar and because his DNA
11:08 Wes Larson? was on file from some of his older crimes, they decided, okay, let's test this guy against the DNA we found on the beer can and they got a match. They got a match for him and his twin brother, but his twin was already in prison in Shelby, Montana, so they arrested Darren Christopher Abbey. Um, he, after being presented with the evidence, he confessed, he knew they had him, but he claimed self-defense. And what he said was that his dog had jumped on Dustin's sleeping pad and had made like some muddy paw prints. So he went down to the creek with a rag to get some water to clean it up. And when he got back, Dustin was so mad about these bloody paw print, or these muddy paw prints, that he threatened to kill this Abby
11:53 Wes Larson? guy and his dog. And so Abby attacked him and killed him in self-defense. That was his story. No, no defensive wounds, no anything. Uh, it's very unlikely that's what actually happened.
12:06 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
12:06 Wes Larson? So.
12:07 Jeff Larson? That's crazy.
12:08 Wes Larson? Bears, the bears were declared innocent. This was not a bear attack.
12:12 Jeff Larson? Good. I'm happy. I, and like, don't let that affect your judgment on other neo-Nazis, right? Skinheads.
12:22 Wes Larson? No, they're all bad.
12:23 Jeff Larson? Like, they're not all.
12:25 Wes Larson? They are. I think, I think, I'm gonna paint with a pretty blanket, big brush here.
12:30 Jeff Larson? Sure.
12:30 Wes Larson? They're all bad.
12:31 Jeff Larson? Okay.
12:31 Wes Larson? Just go ahead and avoid them. Yeah.
12:33 Jeff Larson? Alright, yeah.
12:34 Wes Larson? Um, alright, so.
12:36 Jeff Larson? Don't let it affect your opinion on bears. Can't say that?
12:39 Wes Larson? Yep, you can say that. Let's not let it affect your opinion on bears, on camping. Camping's great. Um, but yeah, I would say avoid skinhead neo-Nazis at all costs. Yep.
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14:55 Wes Larson? Alright, so speaking of framing bears, in January of this year, and there's a reason I'm telling this story now, because the report recently came out, but this happened in January. Four residents of Lake Arrowhead, California, which is in the greater Los Angeles area, submitted a car insurance claim when a bear entered their 2010 Rolls-Royce Ghost and caused a lot of damage to the car. So it seems pretty cut and dry, right? A bear comes in your car, rips it up, so you submit a car insurance- It's happened before. Wrong, Mike. It's not cut and dry. What? These same residents also gave the insurance company video footage of the bear doing the damage. And someone-
15:39 Wes Larson? Oh wow, they were getting cocky. They were, yeah. Someone at the insurance company saw it, and they thought it looked a little unbelievable.
15:51 Wes Larson? All right.
15:52 Jeff Larson? I like it. I like that.
15:54 Wes Larson? Uh, they invest, an investigation was launched. Authorities soon found that these Lake Arrowhead residents had submitted similar claims for two other luxury vehicles. And altogether, they'd gotten about a hundred and forty thousand dollars.
16:07 Jeff Larson? In your cars?
16:08 Wes Larson? Exactly.
16:09 Jeff Larson? It's like, are you leaving salmons in there?
16:11 Wes Larson? Yeah.
16:14 Wes Larson? Uh, so they'd gotten about a hundred and forty thousand dollars in, in rewards from these insurance companies, uh, for these claims of bear-related damages to three different cars. So law enforcement got a search warrant. They started an operation called Operation Bear Claw. And they quickly found a very cheap looking bear costume in the residence of these people. And they also had a California wildlife professional look at the footage. And that person, within like a couple of seconds was like, this is clearly a person in a bear costume. And if you guys watch this video, it is very clearly someone in a like-
16:52 Jeff Larson? Like a people expert to verify that?
16:55 Mike Smith? That it was actually a human?
16:55 Wes Larson? Then they were like, call in the people expert. Yep, that's people, all right. Uh, they're in like a loose bear costume and it just looks like someone in like loose bear pajamas pretending to be a bear for a child or something in a car.
17:12 Jeff Larson? It's so bad.
17:12 Wes Larson? It's really, really bad. Like they did the absolute minimum.
17:17 Jeff Larson? First two, or like the first two insurance people who passed it must have been the same people who do the Hollywood bears sometimes. It's just like, none of this is accurate at all.
17:29 Wes Larson? Yeah.
17:29 Jeff Larson? What are you thinking? Like, the costume had like the, um, what's his name? Uh, Edward Scissorhand, like scissors at the, at the end. And then like the scratches in the car were just like completely like uniform and just-
17:46 Wes Larson? They're like perfectly spaced apart. It looks like someone took one of those big combs that has like the really far separated teeth and just scraped it perfectly down a car and like didn't puncture it like didn't puncture the leather or anything. It just made like scratch marks and it's just so stupid. Anyway, they're all in custody. Um, I I'd like to offer my services to any insurance company. If you ever need a bear expert, feel free to call me. I'm gonna charge you a lot of money, but I'll do it and I'll make sure you don't spend a hundred and forty thousand dollars paying for someone's Rolls Royce.
18:23 Jeff Larson? And I'll offer my services to any like people trying to commit insurance fraud. If you cut me in on it, like there's better bear costumes out there than that. I know better what a bear does to a car than just like some scrapes. Yeah. So like I'll get in there. I'll really mess it up.
18:43 Wes Larson? Sure. Yin and yang.
18:44 Jeff Larson? Take it like a bear dump and put it in the car.
18:47 Wes Larson? Just wear a bearskin rug and like a black shirt and you'll it'll look a lot better than what these guys.
18:52 Mike Smith? And don't make it immediately findable. I'm just imagining they have like the bear costume out on like a clothesline in their front lawn. It's like, all right, well.
19:04 Wes Larson? The cops just show up and they're like, huh, Operation Bear Claw is going pretty well so far.
19:10 Mike Smith? That's a good.
19:11 Wes Larson? That's it for my first.
19:12 Mike Smith? That's a good name for like a police investigation project because it doubles as the donut, right?
19:17 Wes Larson? I thought the same thing. Yeah.
19:18 Mike Smith? Perfect. Cops, they love donuts. We all do, but for some reason they extra do.
19:23 Wes Larson? They love them.
19:23 Jeff Larson? I think it's because they're just sitting around all the time. So they they can like get donuts like all day long.
19:30 Mike Smith? Right.
19:31 Jeff Larson? And most people have to get donuts like before they go into work.
19:35 Wes Larson? Yeah.
19:36 Jeff Larson? That's my theory.
19:37 Wes Larson? Do you guys ever go to the grocery store and eat a donut while you're in the store?
19:40 Mike Smith? Oh, yeah.
19:41 Wes Larson? Yeah. It's nice.
19:42 Jeff Larson? Oh, yeah.
19:43 Wes Larson? It's a free grocery store.
19:44 Jeff Larson? The first time I saw someone do that, I was just like, that guy's going to hell. I was in high school. This guy's going to hell.
19:52 Mike Smith? You still pay for it. Yeah.
19:54 Jeff Larson? Oh, he didn't pay for it.
19:56 Mike Smith? Yeah, I do. I'm an upstanding citizen.
20:00 Wes Larson? All right.
20:00 Mike Smith? Uh, I'm actually, I'm gonna get a quick one out of the way. I'm, I'm doing the, I'm the Coyotes Bewiling correspondent of the month again. And I saw some recent home security footage of Tommy Lee of Motley Crue fame. His Beverly Hills mansion where his wife-
20:18 Wes Larson? I've seen some footage of him.
20:19 Mike Smith? Which kind?
20:22 Wes Larson? Nevermind.
20:25 Mike Smith? But so the footage shows their backyard, him and his wife, Brittany Furlan is her name.
20:30 Jeff Larson? Pamela's bewiling.
20:31 Mike Smith? Oh dude.
20:32 Jeff Larson? Pamela's bewiling.
20:33 Mike Smith? That's for a different podcast. That's for Tooth and Claw After Dark. But the footage is of their backyard, a coyote snags up their dachshund and takes off with it in its mouth. And Brittany, Tommy's wife, runs out and chases it over a wall and scares the coyote off. Thankfully dropping their dog, Nina. And she was, he was recovered safely and everything was fine, but Tommy joined her in the backyard. It was kind of this whole kerfuffle and they started freaking out and Dane Cook weighed in on the situation. Not really weighed in, but I thought it was kind of a funny detail.
21:09 Wes Larson? A blast from the past.
21:10 Mike Smith? Dane Cook got a little bit involved over Twitter or whatever we're calling that website. He said, man.
21:15 Wes Larson? Did this story happen in 2004?
21:18 Mike Smith? "I'm so sorry. This is brutal to watch. They're more aggressive than ever," comedian Dane Cook wrote. So I don't know what he knows about aggression levels in coyotes, but maybe we should be talking to him. But it was, it's like a scary thing because like a coyote can run off with like a wiener dog.
21:36 Wes Larson? Yeah.
21:37 Mike Smith? And like, that's it for your dog, you know, and that's like pretty traumatizing no matter how you look at it. So I'm glad Brittany was there to sort things out.
21:45 Jeff Larson? When a comedian makes like a serious comment, do you take it more or less seriously?
21:52 Jeff Larson? Then like other like your like average serious comment.
21:56 Wes Larson? I think I take it more seriously.
21:58 Jeff Larson? Normally he's not gonna be serious, but on the other hand, it's like you Dane Cook, you make jokes. I don't care what you think about coyotes.
22:06 Wes Larson? The thing that it always strikes me is like, why are they having Dane Cook way on this if he's not cracking the joke?
22:12 Jeff Larson? Well, he just sent it.
22:14 Mike Smith? Yeah, you know how like they aggregate tweets into the stories?
22:18 Jeff Larson? Tweeted.
22:19 Wes Larson? Okay, but still like why? Okay. Yeah, I guess. Why are they like?
22:22 Mike Smith? I think.
22:22 Jeff Larson? Well, I don't think Brad Pitt's tweeting about it.
22:25 Mike Smith? Right.
22:26 Wes Larson? Probably. You're probably right. Yeah. I feel like it's still just like pull out just a random tweet then. Cause the Dane Cook thing just throws me off. It's like, well, that guy's still alive. Yeah.
22:38 Mike Smith? He's good. He's still, he's still kidding. He's, I was gonna say he's still cooking, but yeah, that was hacky of me.
22:44 Jeff Larson? Just to add on to mics, because we both talked about it a bit. I have in Seattle, some coyotes are wiling too. A lady just had to like pull her dog out of a coyote coyote's mouth the other day and the coyote bit her arm up a bit. And then it turns out that a lady had a coyote bite its kitten's head and running away with it. And she had to go save her kitten. And a week before that happened, another person had their dog with like a coyote. Taking it down the street and all these other cars saw it and started honking and the coyote left it alone. So Seattle coyotes are wiling.
23:26 Mike Smith? What did Dane Cook say about those ones?
23:29 Jeff Larson? He said, wow, I think these are about to get more aggressive than ever.
23:35 Mike Smith? Yeah.
23:36 Wes Larson? Dane Cook's got the, he's got his finger on the pulse of coyotes around the country.
23:41 Mike Smith? Real late career pivot.
23:45 Jeff Larson? These are right on the verge of being more aggressive than ever. And then Tommy Lee had broke.
23:52 Mike Smith? And he's like, I told you guys. You never listen to me. No one listens to me anymore.
24:00 Jeff Larson? Uh, should I go?
24:02 Wes Larson? Yeah.
24:02 Mike Smith? Yeah, go for it.
24:03 Jeff Larson? That's not counting as mine. I just wanted to.
24:06 Wes Larson? Alright.
24:06 Jeff Larson? Spice mics up a little.
24:08 Mike Smith? Yeah, it needed it.
24:09 Jeff Larson? Alright, a lion killed someone.
24:12 Wes Larson? Uh oh.
24:12 Jeff Larson? On September thirtieth, and it was not a wild lion. It was in Nigeria. And there's a zookeeper and uh, he's like a trained lion handler. He's thirty five. Baba Zou Douy and he's working in a place called the Presidential Library Wildlife Park. In Abakuta. Um, I feel like you can't put all those.
24:39 Wes Larson? No.
24:40 Jeff Larson? Words together.
24:41 Mike Smith? Library, library.
24:42 Wes Larson? Library.
24:43 Jeff Larson? Wildlife Park.
24:45 Mike Smith? Of all the words you struggled on, library the most, which is shocking, but.
24:50 Wes Larson? It's alright.
24:51 Jeff Larson? Me?
24:51 Mike Smith? Yeah.
24:51 Wes Larson? It's okay though.
24:52 Mike Smith? Library is.
24:54 Jeff Larson? Dude, get off your high horse with how I speak already.
24:58 Mike Smith? Okay.
24:59 Jeff Larson? Alright.
25:00 Wes Larson? We were gonna let it slide.
25:01 Jeff Larson? Spanish. I was just saying, I didn't say that I said it wrong. What do you mean you were gonna leave it?
25:08 Wes Larson? Uh, I feel like we were leaving it and then you brought up all the words and we were like, okay, now we gotta say something about library.
25:14 Jeff Larson? Like for like a zoo, that's a crazy title.
25:18 Mike Smith? It is. Didn't mean, it's a little over the top. You're right.
25:22 Jeff Larson? Presidential Library. Yeah. Um, but anyways. Have you guys ever had it where you like, you get a group of people to watch you do something and then it goes like completely out of your plan?
25:35 Mike Smith? Yeah.
25:35 Wes Larson? Yeah.
25:36 Jeff Larson? Like it's very embarrassing when you like, are like, hey, look at this and then you completely mess it up.
25:43 Mike Smith? Yeah.
25:45 Jeff Larson? I had my funniest one, I like, was gonna just jump off a wall and somersault into a backyard when I was like twelve. And I told my cousins like, hey, watch this. And I like slipped right before I jumped, hit my shin on the brick wall. And went headfirst into like a rose bush. And they were just like, yeah, I mean, thanks for telling us to watch. But why did you do that?
26:13 Jeff Larson? But anyways, the zookeeper um was kinda like, hey, you guys, look at this, watch this, and gets everyone to come watch him feed this lion. And he felt pretty comfortable with the lion. So he didn't close the safety protection gate and started to feed the animal. And it mauled him right away, went for his neck, he died on the spot.
26:37 Wes Larson? Yeah.
26:38 Jeff Larson? Um, also, a lion in Pakistan attacked someone who was like, I guess they own a bunch of lions in Pakistan. They don't really have laws about it and they have some type of pipeline for lions. But someone was like taking a selfie with someone's lion and got mauled up pretty good.
26:57 Wes Larson? Yeah, you know, we've talked about this a bit on the show, but I think it bears repeating that these are animals in zoos, especially, and I I don't wanna like cast any judgments about the zoo cuz I haven't been there, but especially zoos that maybe aren't quite to the standards, some of the zoos here, they are doing the same thing over and over and over again, and they're seeing the same things over and over and over again. So when something breaks that rhythm, like something as simple as them not locking that door or something like that, they notice, like it is something that's out of the ordinary and they notice it and it's really, really dangerous. So it's why you do have to be really careful
27:37 Wes Larson? in these kinda situations. If you're ever, like, no one that I'm talking to is probably ever gonna be in a situation like that. But if you're in like a park or something, like a safari park or whatever, don't do anything that they tell you not to do because it does
27:52 Jeff Larson? Presidential Library wildlife.
27:55 Wes Larson? Yeah, exactly. If you're there, yeah.
27:59 Jeff Larson? No, I mean, I think that's fair to like, we won't say for sure how that zoo was, but like I went to the city of Johannesburg Zoo, which I liked it a lot, but also like this, one of the vendors was telling me that the elephants was throwing like big rocks at them the other night and like showed me a video of it. And it's kinda like, alright, so you guys are a little loose with the rules around here.
28:25 Wes Larson? Yeah. Okay. Uh, I've got, I've got kind of a sad one. It's one that I have to be careful with because I think there's a lot of different things we could say about this that could be a little insensitive. I'm gonna do my best to be sensitive with it. Um, but you guys maybe remember it was like right after our Black Mamba episode, I texted you both and said, Dingo Dinkleman just got bit by a mamba and killed. Do you guys remember that text from me? Yeah. So Dingo Dinkleman is a popular YouTuber and he's a wildlife enthusiast that gained a lot of traction for videos and live shows featuring venomous snakes and dangerous wildlife.
29:07 Wes Larson? He's from South Africa. Um, and when I was researching Black-
29:11 Jeff Larson? Memorable name too.
29:12 Wes Larson? Dingo Dinkleman. Yeah. It's a great name.
29:14 Jeff Larson? Coyote Peterson, Dingo Dinkleman.
29:17 Mike Smith? Is that his real name or just like a YouTube?
29:20 Wes Larson? I, I don't know. I should have looked into that, but I also don't, I don't want to lose the, the luster of his name being Dingo Dinkleman. So I decided just to let, you know, sleeping dogs lie. So when I was researching Black Mambas, a lot of my research led me back to him. And a part of that was because he had been bitten by a Black Mamba during a live show in 2003. He almost died. And he just posts a lot of videos with Black Mambas. And one of the videos, the video where he's talking about his bite from 2003, he's handling a Black Mamba while he's talking about it and it's like getting pretty close to biting him. So, I mean, this dude lived on the edge with Mambas in general.
30:04 Wes Larson? And he has like a really classic, strong South African accent. It adds a lot to his videos. It kind of feels like Steve Irwin and his Australian accent. And a lot of people actually called this guy the South African Steve Irwin. So in September of this year, he was bitten while handling a green mamba in his home. He got antivenin, but he had an allergic reaction to it, which often is much more likely if you've already had it before for previous snake bites. Your body produces those antibodies and everything, and it can lead to you having an allergic reaction if you ever need it again. So he had an allergic reaction. He went into anaphylactic shock and doctors had to put him on a medically induced coma,
30:48 Wes Larson? a coma, uh, to, to keep him alive. And he survived for about a month in that coma. And then it's unclear whether, uh, family decided to, you know, release him from that, or if he passed away while he was in the coma. But, um, he died and he died on October 26th, 2024. And this is the part where I kind of want to try and walk the line as best I can. But I have noticed there's a lot of social media influencers or YouTubers that come into a fair amount of fame and money by handling really dangerous animals. And I do think he did a lot of like interesting work. He rescued a lot of snakes.
31:32 Wes Larson? He did a lot of interesting conservation work. So I'm not going to say that he had like selfish intentions with his videos or by creating his channel, like it's very likely that he just filtered his passion for dangerous and wildlife and venomous snakes and everything into a form of media, which, you know, I've done that, like we've all done that with tooth and claw. So it, I do think there's a way to do that where like you do make some money and stuff off of just a natural passion. But I do find that some of these people who create videos around really dangerous wildlife have to keep making increasingly dangerous and thrilling content in order to keep their audience like satisfied and satiated.
32:17 Wes Larson? So it does seem to me like it's just a matter of time before it catches up with them. And when I, that rang really true to me when I opened up his YouTube page and looked at his video titles. So I'm going to read you guys the titles from some of his videos, just on the front page of his YouTube channel. This one was in all caps with exclamation marks. Big problem. My giant snake escaped.
32:43 Wes Larson? Can I, then these are other ones. Can I swim with the king cobra? Deadly boom slaying in my house. Dead snake sends me to the hospital. Black mamba, I made a big mistake. One night in a cage of death with six mambas. Uh, those are all titles of his videos. It made me think of, do you guys remember that Norm MacDonald sketch after Steve Irwin died?
33:06 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
33:07 Mike Smith? When he was on Jon Stewart?
33:08 Jeff Larson? It's so good.
33:09 Wes Larson? Yeah.
33:09 Mike Smith? Yeah.
33:10 Wes Larson? He's on the Daily Show.
33:11 Jeff Larson? We should just play it, right?
33:12 Wes Larson? Yeah.
33:13 Speaker 03 I wanted to talk about the crocodile hunter. Because I think, you know, it was, it was tragic at the time, but I think,
33:22 Speaker 03 I don't know, people column me, man, they're shocked. Oh, hey, you wouldn't believe it, who got killed? The crocodile hunter. Don't, please don't make me laugh at this. I mean, and they were like, he was forty-four years old. I'm like, that's a ripe old age for a crocodile hunter. And you know, I had to be pissed about a word of crocodiles. Cause uh, he got killed by some fruity fish.
33:47 Wes Larson? I do get the sense from Dingo's videos that he was really passionate about wildlife. That he really loved his family and that he was doing what made him truly happy. I think there's something really beautiful about that. I don't think there's that many people these days that are able to follow their passions and do it so effectively and bring so many people into it. Um, and it's really tragic to me that he left this loving wife and kids behind because he was clearly their hero. So, um, you know, rest in peace, Dingo Dinkelman.
34:18 Mike Smith? It's a sad one.
34:18 Wes Larson? Yeah, it is. And honestly, like, I did really enjoy watching his videos. I kinda, I, he would come up in my feed every once in a while and, and he was an interesting guy. But it's a really dangerous profession. I think the thing he did that was really good is he rescued a lot of snakes from people's homes and probably saved people from being bitten, saved those snakes. So he did a lot of good.
34:38 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
34:38 Wes Larson? Yeah.
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36:40 Wes Larson? Well, I got another, uh, I don't know quite what to call this. This is real. I'm about to prove this. Have you guys been following or up to speed on this story about Peanut the squirrel in New York? Have you heard about this?
36:52 Jeff Larson? It became very political.
36:54 Wes Larson? It did.
36:55 Jeff Larson? But I think the story itself, if we keep politics out, is fine.
36:59 Wes Larson? Yeah, no, it's like, it's...
37:01 Mike Smith? I saw the story and I was like, oh, that'd be kind of a weird little thing just to get Wes to talk about like the dangers, the upsides, the slippery slope of keeping wild animals in your house. But the more I read into this story, the more twists and turns this thing took. So we'll just briefly go over the events of the day and then we can discuss maybe some more information that's a little more in the purview of the show. But um, so about seven years ago, Mark Longo witnessed a young squirrel's mother get run over by a car. And somehow in whatever happened, the young squirrel also was injured. So him and his wife took in, or at least he did, he took in the squirrel, which he eventually named Peanut into his home to just help it
37:43 Mike Smith? recuperate for about eight and a half weeks, it said. And when he tried to release it back into the wild, it got pretty much like immediately attacked or somehow was put in danger again. He decided that it hadn't developed the survival skills it needed. So he just took it back in, adopted it as his pet Peanut, the squirrel. And it pretty quickly turned into a social media sensation where like hundreds of thousands of people followed him on his Instagram account, Peanut, Peanut's Instagram account, where he had like, wear little mini hats or jump through hoops and eat waffles and stuff. So it was like, a pretty, pretty big player in the social media space. So on the day that the authorities received an anonymous tip and went and raided
38:28 Mike Smith? Mark's house, Mark and Daniela's house, they found Peanut and a raccoon named Fred and they took them away. And unfortunately during the raid, if you want to call it a raid, there's a lot of like, he said, she said in this story for right now. But Peanut apparently bit one of the officer's hands, which prompted them to think that maybe there was some rabies. So they had to euthanize both Fred and Peanut. And this got everyone in an outrage. And of course, it was tragic for Mark and Daniela. And there they've since like, they've wanted to sue the state. It's like, it's a real crazy thing. But Donald Trump's official TikTok account got
39:07 Mike Smith? involved. Elon tweeted about it. Some fighter at UFC 309 gave a shout out to Peanut at the end of his fight. And he was like, let's stop the misappropriation of taxpayer dollars because like, this was a huge operation that they moved in tons of troopers to like, go and take care of this squirrel. Meanwhile, there's all kinds of other problems people are thinking that this money should be going towards. But Yeah, it was just like kind of a wild twist and turn of events and one final turn that I didn't see coming. Uh, the more I read and I'm sure there's more information to discover, but apparently Mark and Daniela are also like really big deals on OnlyFans. Like they make porn and post it to OnlyFans and
39:50 Mike Smith? Yeah, well, yeah, not probably how maybe some of you are imagining Peanut is involved in those, but
39:56 Jeff Larson? They flirted with it.
39:58 Mike Smith? Kind of a little bit. It's real strange, but people, so Mark and Daniela have since like accused maybe some people of jealousy, of narking on them, or maybe even that the feds moved in on their, or not the feds, but like the, the DEC, um, animal control to move in and like, used Peanut as kind of a front to investigate other things that might've been happening on their property, but like, they're making, they are making tons of money through their OnlyFans and Peanut was like, kind of a major player in like bringing attention to those accounts, so.
40:32 Jeff Larson? Which is bad.
40:33 Wes Larson? Makes me feel like a lot.
40:34 Jeff Larson? To like, use a wild animal to like,
40:37 Wes Larson? Get famous.
40:38 Jeff Larson? Because that, well, and like that gets other people wanting squirrels and that's not like a good thing to start.
40:45 Mike Smith? That's what I wanted to bring up for Wes.
40:47 Wes Larson? I mean, I'm not, I'm not a perfect spokesperson for this because I, I have raised some wild animals and like,
40:54 Jeff Larson? But you kinda knew you were doing something wrong.
40:57 Wes Larson? I knew I was doing it wrong. Yeah. And like I've since kind of repented of that and I was doing it in a place that was much, no, to myself, to people. Uh, I was doing it in a much more rural place and I successfully reintroduced them to the wild, but I'm not a professional. I'm not someone that had the permit to be doing that. And you do need that kind of training to do it. And in New York, or where I think they were in New York, like it's illegal. You can't have a squirrel. There's a lot of reasons.
41:27 Jeff Larson? And a raccoon even.
41:28 Wes Larson? Yeah. Like a raccoon has roundworm that can literally put people into a coma. They can like cause all sorts of crazy problems. Um, there are lots of like zoonotic diseases that can be passed between these animals and humans. And then what Jeff just said too, it sets a really bad precedent for people and people then start taking animals from the wild that maybe do still have parents that do have all these things.
41:52 Jeff Larson? Making OnlyFans.
41:54 Wes Larson? Yeah, to get famous or to make money or whatever, and it's not fair to animals. Um. The thing I, the thing I don't agree with at all is that like, this was a waste of, of taxpayer money or whatever. Like, maybe they didn't know, need to go so hard, but like,
42:08 Jeff Larson? Sure.
42:08 Wes Larson? Our country spends a trillion dollars a year on our defense budget, you know? Like, I don't care if they had to spend a few thousand dollars extra to go get this squirrel into a better situation, you know? That doesn't matter to me.
42:21 Jeff Larson? Better situation.
42:22 Wes Larson? Well, yeah, I mean, they had to kill it, which sucks, but like, I don't think.
42:26 Jeff Larson? I would, I would argue that's better.
42:28 Wes Larson? I don't think that was their initial, original intent, you know? I think they wanted to get the squirrel out of there.
42:33 Jeff Larson? Sure.
42:34 Wes Larson? But don't do it. Don't get animals for clout.
42:36 Jeff Larson? When Wes dies, God's like, well, you had three raccoons illegally, but you repented, so.
42:44 Wes Larson? Yeah, so you're good.
42:46 Mike Smith? Come on in.
42:47 Wes Larson? Well, and here's the other thing.
42:49 Jeff Larson? Peanut commented on Tommy Lee's thing at all? You said he's like a huge social media player. Do you think it's like Dane Cook and Peanut were like coyotes are bad?
43:00 Wes Larson? No, I think the coyotes are getting pretty bad out there. Chirp chirp chirp. Give me some nuts.
43:05 Mike Smith? Peanut's wife did appear on Saturday Night Live, apparently.
43:09 Jeff Larson? Oh, really?
43:09 Mike Smith? I think one of the cast members dressed up as a squirrel and it was a whole skit. It kind of turned into a, this is how unplugged I am from the internet. Like, this is just not on my radar at all.
43:19 Jeff Larson? Well, I think also just the fact that you chose this story shows that you're like in Japan and not on social media. Cause this is like a hot topic, like politically loaded.
43:32 Wes Larson? Some people think this is like what cost the Democrats the election.
43:36 Jeff Larson? Uh, yeah.
43:38 Mike Smith? That's what I saw. Yeah. Some people are like, even Mark himself, we, again, we don't want to get too political about it, but he's like, he thinks this actually played a part in Donald getting.
43:47 Wes Larson? Maybe a tiny part.
43:48 Mike Smith? Elected, elected. I don't know.
43:50 Wes Larson? Tiny part, but I would just say like, one final thing, like, if, if this is your dream, if you need to own a wild animal, if you want to raise a raccoon or something, there are states where this is legal, so move to one of those states. If you have an animal in your possession right now and you care about it that much, that like, You're gonna go on shows and stuff and complain about it being taken away from you. If you actually care about it that much, move to a state where you can legally possess it. And then you can give it the life you want to give it. But if you live in a state where you can't, you're running a risk and you just have to accept.
44:24 Jeff Larson? On especially if you're like blasting it in people's face. Like if you're, if you kind of just like keep it like between you and your friends and whoever. But if you like try to like push it onto the public, like, look at what I have in New York City. Right. Like you're asking for trouble, you know?
44:45 Wes Larson? Yeah.
44:46 Jeff Larson? And trouble.
44:47 Wes Larson? Might help you get that OnlyFans money, though, finally, you know? Spice things up a little bit.
44:52 Mike Smith? Rest in peace, Peanut.
44:53 Jeff Larson? I bet you he'd do it again. Probably made a lot of money.
44:58 Wes Larson? Yeah.
44:58 Jeff Larson? Uh, all right.
45:01 Jeff Larson? I have a question for my next one. So in Australia, what's a Kimberley man? Is that like a?
45:10 Wes Larson? I feel like it might be.
45:11 Jeff Larson? City or like? I was kind of thinking of saying he's more like a indigenous person too. I should have.
45:17 Wes Larson? Like Kimberley's a place in Australia.
45:20 Jeff Larson? Okay, that's what, for whatever reason, I just got mixed up a little bit because the person is like, uh, I forget the name of like the local, like indigenous people to Australia.
45:34 Wes Larson? Yeah, he's a.
45:35 Jeff Larson? But he's indigenous to Australia. So I was like, the way it read, I wasn't sure if it was saying like, this is like the Kimberley tribe or like he's from Kimberley. But he's from Kimberley.
45:46 Wes Larson? Aboriginal is the word you're searching for.
45:48 Jeff Larson? Aboriginal, yeah.
45:49 Wes Larson? Yeah.
45:50 Jeff Larson? Anyways, he's out spearfishing on November 18th, so just a few days ago. And, you know, it's kind of his like routine. He does, like, that's how he makes his living and he's out at the coast of One Arm Point, which, you know, I wonder why they call it that. They got crocodiles there.
46:11 Mike Smith? For boating.
46:12 Jeff Larson? So he's out spearfishing and a crocodile bites onto him and it's like trying to eat him. And he punches it in the nose and he says it let go. And then he like got away and it was a three meter crocodile, which isn't like super huge. But it's not like small.
46:28 Wes Larson? It's not nothing.
46:30 Jeff Larson? But apparently he didn't want to talk to the news and he went to the hospital for a few days and got out, but all this came from him talking to the cops and then the cops telling the news and the cops were kind of, uh, so the cops were, let me see, I have it. Barty Jawi Rangers and they were saying like, this guy's a good storyteller. So I'm sure we want to tell a story. It'll be like a great story.
46:55 Wes Larson? Yeah.
46:55 Jeff Larson? But that's all that's in there, but I just, whenever someone punches a crocodile, I'm going to tell people about it.
47:01 Wes Larson? Okay.
47:01 Jeff Larson? No, yeah.
47:02 Wes Larson? You're like Dane Cook and, and coyotes.
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48:45 Jeff Larson? I have some other short ones. I can just speed through everything I have right now.
48:50 Wes Larson? Sure.
48:50 Jeff Larson? Or wait.
48:51 Wes Larson? Okay, I'm I'm done.
48:53 Jeff Larson? Okay, so another one. Two new world records that I found. One ended up being something I found recently, but happened two years ago, but I'm still gonna share it. So the one that just happened is an emperor penguin swam 2,000 miles and ended up in Australia.
49:14 Wes Larson? Oh, yeah.
49:14 Jeff Larson? From Antarctica.
49:15 Wes Larson? Yeah.
49:16 Jeff Larson? Dang. Yeah, it's like in southern, uh, it's just like the furthest a penguin's ever swam on record. And like this Australian family was just like out on the beach. And then there was just an emperor penguin there and they're like, what's going on? It's just like them on and the penguin. And the video is great because the penguin like, isn't scared of them at all. The penguin just seems like, what's like, like, probably relieved to be on land, but also just like, this is different, you know? And, um, it was pretty underweight. It was 51 pounds and most male emperor penguins are like over a hundred pounds.
49:59 Jeff Larson? So it lost a lot of weight swimming that far. There's probably just strong currents that kind of like got it, got him off path. But yeah, they're like, they have some, uh, bird biologist in the town. Uh, so it's like Denmark, it's called Denmark, Australia. And it happened November 1st, but anyways, like the bird biologist or whatever you call a bird.
50:23 Wes Larson? Ornithologist.
50:24 Jeff Larson? Yeah. Ornithologist of the town was just kind of like, yeah, you know what? I never really expected to be taking care of a penguin, but it's such a privilege to be able to like, look after this penguin. The penguin's just getting like cold misted every day and they're just figuring out like, what do we do next? Because,
50:43 Wes Larson? Yeah.
50:44 Jeff Larson? Um, and yeah, I don't know. I think it's cool. The animal, like it's cool to just think like, that's kind of what used to happen before humans controlled everything with wildlife is like, penguin takes a long, wrong turn. All of a sudden Australia has emperor penguins, you know?
51:03 Wes Larson? Like,
51:03 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
51:05 Wes Larson? It'd have to be two penguins taking a long turn.
51:07 Jeff Larson? Just taking over, colonizing all the other birds in Australia.
51:12 Mike Smith? Manifest destiny for penguins.
51:14 Jeff Larson? Also, so this one actually happened in two thousand twenty two. But a bar tailed godwit, you know what those are Wes?
51:22 Wes Larson? It's a bird, but I.
51:24 Jeff Larson? Yeah, it's like a bird.
51:26 Wes Larson? A shorebird almost.
51:27 Jeff Larson? They can like, um, they like fly a lot like a fighter jet. Like they have like really good aerodynamics.
51:36 Wes Larson? Yeah, it kind of looks like a plover, like, uh, yeah, I know what a godwit is.
51:39 Jeff Larson? It broke the record for like a s- single flight that's ever happened and like New Zealand celebrates it now. Australia celebrates it, but, uh, they migrate from Alaska to New Zealand. These birds, which is like very far, but this bird decided to take like a right turn and go to Tasmania, Australia. So it flew eleven straight days from Alaska to Tasmania, flew eight thousand four hundred thirty five miles. And like.
52:14 Mike Smith? What?
52:15 Jeff Larson? Also lost like half of its weight just flying. They have like, their feet aren't webbed, so like, they can't really take breaks in the ocean. Uh, they can't like, they just have to keep flying. If they get too tired, they'll die. And it broke the record set by a different bar tailed godwit in twenty twenty by two hundred seventeen miles.
52:39 Mike Smith? Oh, so like a pretty easy record, like it shattered it.
52:44 Jeff Larson? Yeah. And then also, did you guys hear about the forty three monkeys that escaped in South Carolina?
52:52 Wes Larson? Uh huh.
52:53 Jeff Larson? There's like a.
52:54 Wes Larson? Oh, no, I did from like a research facility, right?
52:56 Jeff Larson? Yeah, yeah. Uh, it's like a South Carolina compound that breeds them for research. And they're macaques. And, uh, so there's like forty three of them that escaped. And to date, they've caught thirty nine of them, but four of them are still out there.
53:19 Jeff Larson? And that happened like, uh, November sixth too. So they've been out there like a little while now.
53:25 Wes Larson? Yeah.
53:27 Jeff Larson? So yeah, four monkeys are still out on the loose. If we believe our Borneo dry uh guide, like we had a few guides in Borneo. They were saying that America does like a lot of pretty nasty research on macaques for like perfumes and different things. So like, I don't know, there might have been good reason for these macaques to like want to escape.
53:52 Mike Smith? Get out of there. Yeah. Well, good for them, I guess, maybe.
53:55 Jeff Larson? Those four, for sure.
53:57 Mike Smith? Right, the four. They can do it, I believe.
54:01 Jeff Larson? I hope they never catch him, honestly.
54:04 Wes Larson? All right, um, let's go to our categories. So the first one is a favorite movie where someone gets framed because of the bears being framed for those crimes.
54:15 Mike Smith? Uh, I'm gonna go with North by Northwest. It's my number one movie about that. It's one of my favorite movies ever. I love it.
54:22 Wes Larson? All right.
54:22 Mike Smith? Cary Grant, The Goat. Besides Nicholas Cage.
54:26 Wes Larson? Since Jeff has three, I'll go next, because maybe I'll be using one of his. I'm gonna go with Gone Girl. Um, I think it's like one of my favorite Fincher movies. And it's just like such a satisfying kind of payoff. The book is great, um, really well acted, really dark. I just really like that movie. I think it's great.
54:47 Jeff Larson? Really like when you listened, we listened to it when we were working with bears. I I didn't listen to all of it, but I listened to some of it. Like started halfway with you, but like that ending is just like, what is going on?
55:02 Wes Larson? Yeah, the twist in the middle.
55:04 Jeff Larson? How is he?
55:05 Wes Larson? Yeah.
55:05 Jeff Larson? Yeah. Um, all right. So I'm having a hard time picking a favorite. I'm doing just put them all three even.
55:14 Wes Larson? Okay.
55:14 Jeff Larson? Uh, Paddington Two.
55:17 Wes Larson? It's a great one.
55:17 Mike Smith? All right.
55:18 Wes Larson? Great pick.
55:19 Jeff Larson? The Fugitive.
55:20 Mike Smith? Yeah.
55:21 Wes Larson? I knew that one would be in there.
55:22 Jeff Larson? Fugitive.
55:23 Mike Smith? Well, they're both great picks.
55:24 Jeff Larson? And um, uh, you know, talking about Paddington, I just forgot my other one.
55:29 Wes Larson? Is it Minority Report?
55:30 Jeff Larson? I guess I'll just do.
55:31 Wes Larson? Because that was on my list, too. Okay.
55:33 Jeff Larson? Um. Oh, wait, I have it right here. Uh, Mission Impossible Four, when they like think they blew up that Russian. That famous like building in
55:44 Wes Larson? What's that one called?
55:45 Mike Smith? Ghost Protocol?
55:46 Wes Larson? Something? Yeah.
55:47 Jeff Larson? Yeah, a ghost.
55:48 Mike Smith? Yeah, that one's great.
55:49 Wes Larson? Mike, or no, all three of us, what's something you guys recommend from the month of November? That you've done or watched or seen or eaten or whatever, something you recommend from the last month?
56:02 Jeff Larson? Uh, I'll go with Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul. Just keep, it's just such a great fight, broke all the records. Uh, saw Mike Tyson's ass. I'll, I'll go last.
56:14 Wes Larson? See his ass, didn't we?
56:15 Jeff Larson? I was doing a joke one.
56:17 Wes Larson? I got, I got one that's kind of like a comfort thing for me that came out in November again. Um, it's been kind of a, a rough month for a lot of people. Uh, and one show that I really like to watch when I need just to pick me up is the Great British Baking Show, which started up again this month.
56:35 Mike Smith? It's been great this year.
56:36 Jeff Larson? Mike was telling me he has two of his favorite people ever. But he can say his two people. Or do you have anyone you like?
56:46 Wes Larson? Not yet.
56:46 Jeff Larson? Who's your like out of the gate favorite?
56:49 Wes Larson? Uh, there's like a young girl that seems like she's maybe from like the middle, middle Asia.
56:55 Mike Smith? Oh, Samaya?
56:56 Wes Larson? Yeah, she's really, yeah, I really like her a lot, but I, I've only watched one episode, so I don't have a clear favorite yet. But it does, it just, that show just like picks me up. It just makes me feel like I put on a warm blanket. I just really like it.
57:10 Mike Smith? It's so pleasant.
57:10 Wes Larson? So I really recommend it.
57:11 Mike Smith? Yeah.
57:12 Jeff Larson? Who, who do you like in this season, Mike?
57:15 Mike Smith? I liked Andy and Nellie. I love those two.
57:18 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
57:19 Mike Smith? But.
57:19 Jeff Larson? Mike texts me that like there maybe is two favorites that have ever been on.
57:25 Mike Smith? They're so charming to me.
57:26 Wes Larson? That's big.
57:27 Mike Smith? They're like so real. They're such real, and that's what I love about that show is that like, I'm sure there are scripted elements and manufactured moments here and there, but it feels so much more genuine to me than any reality TV show that I've tried watching otherwise, or like.
57:42 Wes Larson? At the end, it always shows the ones that are like still friends, like the contestants that are hanging out with each other and stuff. And it legitimately like makes me cry every time they do that little segment.
57:52 Mike Smith? So cute.
57:53 Wes Larson? Cause I'm just like, this is so special. They all just love each other so much and they're so different, but they've brought together by this amazing.
58:00 Mike Smith? I always wonder, cause you always see at least like one little vignette of the first person that got eliminated. It's like, how well do you know these people? Like you were here for like two days. But you know, they're
58:11 Jeff Larson? But then like the other people are like, we gotta invite him.
58:14 Wes Larson? Yeah, that's honestly why I feel so bad for the the early eliminations because I'm like, oh, they don't get to be friends with everyone.
58:21 Mike Smith? I know.
58:22 Wes Larson? Yeah. So anyway, that's what I recommend.
58:25 Mike Smith? So I read my favorite book so far of this year is called The Tainted Cup. I'm gonna look up the author, but it's this really cool story. It's a whodunit murder mystery kind of thing. Very Sherlock Holmesy where there's a Sherlock, you know, Holmes or a Watson kind of odd couple pairing. But it's in this really magical botanical world with kind of this larger framing device. That's kind of like Attack on Titan with the big wall and like big leviathans are threatening on the border. It's really cool. This guy, his name is Robert Jackson Bennett, and I just thought it was like such a fun new take on
59:07 Mike Smith? kind of like a time-tested formula of like that murder mystery, but with a lot of really creative magical elements I'd never really encountered before. So if anyone's in a fantasy or mystery or both, ideally, that would be a great book. I'd point anyone towards it. The Tainted Cup.
59:26 Jeff Larson? Uh, I'll go with Arcane, the new season of Arcane's releasing on Netflix. And also I got, uh, this little like, it's a little gimmicky, but I really like it. I got these LED lights on my, the back of my TV and it has like a camera that looks at my TV.
59:44 Mike Smith? Yeah.
59:44 Jeff Larson? And then like it changes the color and like it moves around with like the images. And Arcane just has like so many colors that it's like kind of fun to watch Arcane with the LED lights.
59:55 Mike Smith? Yeah.
59:57 Wes Larson? I can't wait to watch it. I like I, Jessie's going home for a few weeks to her family's house in December.
1:00:05 Jeff Larson? So you gotta wait for her to come back.
1:00:07 Wes Larson? I'm no, I'm, I'm waiting to watch it when she's gone because she doesn't watch it. And I just want to watch it with like no distractions, no anything.
1:00:14 Mike Smith? Yeah, I haven't started it either. I'm so excited for it.
1:00:18 Wes Larson? Cool. Mike, you've been in Japan for a little bit now. Uh, wanted to ask you, what's the best thing you've eaten and done in Japan?
1:00:27 Mike Smith? Oh, man. Guys, I'm never coming home. This place is so great. Uh, the best thing I've done on the first day of the sumo, the grand sumo tournament of November down in Fukuoka, that was like so much more fun than I even was anticipating. I thought maybe it'd be a little repetitive and get a little boring by the end, but like, it was such a cool environment. It was really, really just an awesome experience.
1:00:51 Jeff Larson? Is there like snacks and drinks in the stands or like what are you?
1:00:54 Mike Smith? Yeah, so we got kind of like little box seats where you just sit on a little cushion. Um, and you can bring all the snacks and drinks you want up into it. And, uh, yeah, it was great. It was people of all ages. Everyone was stoked and like all the-
1:01:07 Jeff Larson? Did you have like a favorite sumo?
1:01:09 Mike Smith? Yeah, so Wakatake Kage has been my guy for a little while. I've been like watching it on stream every once in a while, but, um, it's fun because like all the women, they would scream when like-
1:01:20 Jeff Larson? You saw him?
1:01:21 Mike Smith? No, well, it's like, I-
1:01:23 Jeff Larson? He was there?
1:01:23 Mike Smith? I did. Yeah, he wrestled, but whenever like the hot sumo wrestler came out, like all the girls would scream and then like all the little boys had their signs that they would hold up for their favorite. It was really fun, but, um-
1:01:35 Jeff Larson? Really?
1:01:36 Mike Smith? That's my favorite thing we've done. The favorite thing I've eaten was, ah, man, there's like the red bean and butter taiaki. It's like these little fish pastry, fish shaped pastry. They don't taste like fish, but-
1:01:46 Wes Larson? Oh, yeah.
1:01:46 Mike Smith? Man, I can't get enough of those, but everything's been amazing that I've eaten, like literally everything.
1:01:52 Wes Larson? Cool. Well, we're both-
1:01:54 Jeff Larson? We're having a conversation before we, before you were on even less about ramen.
1:02:00 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:02:00 Jeff Larson? That like me and Mike both are never like, let's go get ramen type of guys. Like we're, it's not like-
1:02:06 Mike Smith? We like it.
1:02:07 Jeff Larson? Food that's hard to like hate.
1:02:08 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:02:08 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:02:09 Jeff Larson? But it's also like, we don't really get the hype. And you were saying that you got one that kind of got you to be like, okay, I get it.
1:02:16 Wes Larson? I had my best ramen ever in Japan, too.
1:02:19 Mike Smith? Yeah, like ramen in America, it's always like a six or a seven. It's always like very good, but I'm never blown away by it. But last night I kind of rocked my world.
1:02:27 Jeff Larson? Jesse got me more into ramen. We waited an hour for a ramen place and it's just broth and noodles.
1:02:33 Wes Larson? It wasn't that good. I liked that other place.
1:02:35 Jeff Larson? People leaving were like, you're, it's so worth the wait. And I was just like, I don't know. I don't get it.
1:02:42 Wes Larson? Their gyoza was really good.
1:02:45 Wes Larson? All right, well, let's go to our next category. It is, oh yeah, so we had a listener on our Patreon who recommended we change the name of one of our categories, which was the two, uh, truth and a lie. And they said we should call it truth and flaw, which is really smart when you think about it. Uh, that was J-Man that said that. So, Mike, you're shaking your head.
1:03:09 Jeff Larson? What's a smart about it?
1:03:11 Wes Larson? Truth and flaw. It's like truth and claw, but truth and flaw for that category.
1:03:15 Jeff Larson? I just like how you said, like, you gotta think about it.
1:03:19 Wes Larson? You got it. I said, you gotta think about it?
1:03:22 Jeff Larson? You're like, it's really smart when you think about it.
1:03:24 Wes Larson? Oh, yeah.
1:03:25 Jeff Larson? I think people did it like right over like without thinking too hard about it.
1:03:30 Wes Larson? Yeah, got it. Yeah, you're right. That was the wrong choice of words, but I liked, I liked the name, truth and flaw.
1:03:37 Mike Smith? Cute little name.
1:03:37 Jeff Larson? Yeah. I like it too. I think it's, it's good.
1:03:40 Wes Larson? So the, the boys, uh, the boys have decided that one of them is going to tell a real animal fact and one of them is going to tell a fake animal fact. And I have to do my best to discern which is real and which is a flaw. So.
1:03:55 Jeff Larson? You can't, one of your ears is bad right now still, right?
1:03:59 Wes Larson? Yes, yes.
1:04:00 Jeff Larson? So here, plug your other ear.
1:04:02 Wes Larson? Okay.
1:04:02 Jeff Larson? Mike, was I doing truth or lie?
1:04:05 Mike Smith? Oh, I thought you were gonna do both. Wasn't that your idea to?
1:04:10 Jeff Larson? You, you do, you do the lie. I'll do the truth.
1:04:14 Mike Smith? Gotcha.
1:04:15 Jeff Larson? Okay.
1:04:15 Wes Larson? Okay, truth and flaw. Who's, who's going first?
1:04:18 Jeff Larson? Uh, I can go first. Mine's either true or not true. So, baby sea otters aren't able to dive underwater for the first six weeks that they're born because their fur is too fluffy. So, every once in a while, out in the water, when they get separated from their moms, they'll drown because they end up face first in the water and they can't get themselves oxygen because they're too fluffy.
1:04:53 Wes Larson? Okay.
1:04:53 Mike Smith? Mountain chickens build nests with foam that they secrete from their eggs.
1:04:59 Wes Larson? From their eggs?
1:05:01 Mike Smith? For their eggs.
1:05:02 Jeff Larson? You can't change it.
1:05:04 Wes Larson? I'm gonna say Mike's is the lie and Jeff's is the truth.
1:05:10 Mike Smith? I just misread what I copied down.
1:05:13 Jeff Larson? I'm just joking.
1:05:15 Mike Smith? What uh, what'd you say Wes?
1:05:17 Wes Larson? Yours is the flaw, Jeff's is the truth.
1:05:20 Jeff Larson? Wrong.
1:05:21 Mike Smith? Wrong, wrong.
1:05:22 Wes Larson? Shoot.
1:05:23 Mike Smith? Unbelievably wrong.
1:05:24 Wes Larson? What is your fact? Okay.
1:05:27 Wes Larson? Yours is half right, cuz I know that like otters can't.
1:05:30 Jeff Larson? Mine's half right.
1:05:30 Wes Larson? Okay, that's tricky.
1:05:31 Jeff Larson? I made up the part of them drowning. I think they can flip themselves around.
1:05:36 Wes Larson? I thought you might have been making that up, but I wasn't sure cuz I knew you got me with the half-truth.
1:05:41 Jeff Larson? I'm doing my TikTok top 100 animals. I did sea otters today, so that's out of my brain.
1:05:47 Mike Smith? Still going. I'm proud of you dude, sticking with it.
1:05:51 Jeff Larson? I took a little bit off. I was very upset about um, I couldn't fit beavers onto the list and I was just
1:05:59 Mike Smith? mad.
1:05:59 Jeff Larson? really upset, so I had to take a break.
1:06:02 Mike Smith? Well, I got some information about my fact. This one's, I did a little bit of trickery here too. So, mountain chickens build nests with foam they secrete for their eggs. Mountain chickens are actually frogs. They are part of the lepto dactylidae, uh, which they share with diverse group of frogs. Their name comes from how big they are. They can reach a weight of two pounds, which is like pretty huge for a frog. Uh, and they live down in Dominica in the Caribbean, Caribbean.
1:06:30 Wes Larson? Yeah, I think when you said mountain chicken, I was like, that sounds like an animal Mike would make up. So that's why I went that direction.
1:06:38 Jeff Larson? Andy misspoke at the start, so technically I think he's still.
1:06:42 Mike Smith? Yeah, you're a winner.
1:06:43 Wes Larson? I think we all, we're all winners or we're all losers. Who knows?
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1:08:46 Wes Larson? All right. Let's do some listener questions. I got a couple from Patreon. So this one's from Jordan. Jordan says, "My name's..."
1:08:57 Mike Smith? Or from the country, Jordan.
1:08:58 Wes Larson? My name's Jordan.
1:08:59 Mike Smith? Who knows?
1:08:59 Wes Larson? I'm 10 years old. They spell it with a Y.
1:09:01 Jeff Larson? The whole country.
1:09:02 Mike Smith? Yeah, like the president or whatever they have over there.
1:09:06 Wes Larson? My name's... I think they have a king in Jordan, don't they?
1:09:08 Mike Smith? Oh, is that how it works?
1:09:09 Wes Larson? They might, yeah. My name's... I don't think this is who we're talking to, though. I don't think this is the king of Jordan.
1:09:15 Mike Smith? Okay.
1:09:16 Wes Larson? Because Jordan's only 10. And Jordan says, "I wanted to know if you put a collar on a bear cub and they grow bigger, will the collar choke them? How do you know if it's hurting them? Thank you." So typically, we don't collar cubs because they do grow a lot. Sometimes you can collar them if you know you're going to be able to like capture that cub again not long after. But there are a lot of collars, especially for like grizzly bears where there's a spacer that as the bear grows, it actually spaces out and allows that collar some room for growth. And then like the collars that me and Jeff were using when we were coloring black bears have a little explosive charge that blows their head off. When you trigger it, no, I'm just kidding.
1:10:02 Wes Larson? That I just, I beat you guys to it. That's our joke. It's a little explosive charge that when, when you blow it, it actually, it blows up the little mechanism that holds the collar together and the collar falls off the bear. So if we knew that there's a bear that had had a collar on long enough that we were worried about its growth or something, we could just trigger that collar to fall off. We also, me and Jeff went and visited them in their dens to check to make sure their collars weren't too tight. So there are, there's a few different things we do to make sure that doesn't happen. That's a great question, Jordan. All right. This one's for all three of us. Melanie says, here's a question. Who do you like better and why? Indiana Jones or Han Solo?
1:10:47 Mike Smith? Ooh. Oh, man.
1:10:50 Wes Larson? It's an easy one for me. It's Indiana Jones, without a doubt. And the reason why is I just like, like he was such an adventurer, but then he's also like a scholar and he's so charming and smooth. And Han Solo always seemed kind of like upset to me and Indiana Jones just seemed much more like cool. So that I like Indiana Jones.
1:11:10 Jeff Larson? He gets pretty upset.
1:11:12 Wes Larson? He does.
1:11:12 Mike Smith? He does get a little, yeah.
1:11:14 Jeff Larson? He's like mad at ev- he's mad that like every single thing isn't in museums.
1:11:19 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:11:20 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:11:20 Mike Smith? He's kind of a crossy, young and then old man. He's always getting mad at his dad. His dad's Sean Connery. That's crazy. Who can get mad at that guy?
1:11:29 Wes Larson? He's more jealous of his dad than anything to me. I love it. It's Indiana Jones easily for me. Yeah.
1:11:35 Jeff Larson? I'll go Han Solo.
1:11:38 Jeff Larson? I thought Han was cool. I don't know. I like.
1:11:41 Wes Larson? They're both extremely cool characters without a doubt.
1:11:44 Jeff Larson? Yeah. It's hard like when every other character has laser swords. Like to be the coolest person in the movie still and how somehow he pulled it off.
1:11:54 Mike Smith? True. That's a good point. That's this is such a hard question for me because this is like. My life when I was little is just watching these six movies over and over and over again. I think I will go Han though. For a long time, Star Wars was my favorite thing like bar none. And it was a sad and cold day when I realized I didn't care about Star Wars anymore. And it was somewhere right around the prequels. Interestingly enough.
1:12:21 Jeff Larson? Sad and cold days.
1:12:23 Mike Smith? I do. That's true.
1:12:24 Wes Larson? I like for me, Indian Jones, I thought was like a perfect movie Raiders was just like. I think it's the most rewatchable movie ever. So that's an easy one for me, but I think those are great picks and great reasons. Okay, I got one more from a patron. This one's from Missy. Missy says, I watched a video. Of a wolf sneaking up on a sleeping grizzly next to a carcass. The bear got up, took a few steps. The wolf backed off a few steps, but lingered like a dance. It was a mild argument at a bar, but if a human were to sneak up, we seem to get mauled or killed. Why are grizzlies so nonchalant with wolves? So much more nonchalant with wolves than us. Should we just drop down on all fours and act like we're no longer interested?
1:13:07 Jeff Larson? Oh, that's a good like, what would Jeff and Mike do? Just act.
1:13:10 Wes Larson? Yeah, Missy actually put that in the end. What would Mike and Jeff do? Ha ha.
1:13:15 Mike Smith? That apparently.
1:13:16 Wes Larson? Yeah. Uh, yeah, it's a great question. I think a big part of this probably is that. Grizzlies have evolved a biological response to a wolf coming up to them on a carcass. It's happened to them enough over history that they kind of know what to expect from that interaction. And we don't, we don't do it. And so they don't, it's an unknown thing for them. So they attack us like they think that maybe we're trying to take it from them. Or hurt them or something else. And with a wolf, they know they can beat the wolf in a fight. They know that the wolf's probably going to wait its turn until the grizzly's finished eating. So they already have that response evolved to that. And that would be my best guess for this, but I.
1:13:59 Wes Larson? I'll admit, I don't know a hundred percent, but that's probably what it is.
1:14:02 Jeff Larson? I think it is a kind of an interesting point that it's hard to really answer. Like, like, the silly part of it, I think, is actually kind of interesting about what if we were just on all fours?
1:14:15 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:14:16 Jeff Larson? Because I do think it's a little threatening how tall we are compared to a bear when we walk up to them. Like, we seem, like, even if we're like the same weight as a wolf, we seem big because we're like standing up. We're like over the bear, you know?
1:14:32 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:14:32 Jeff Larson? And like a wolf is like already kind of like below the eye level of the bear. Maybe that's like a little less threatening to like walk up on.
1:14:41 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:14:41 Mike Smith? Sure.
1:14:42 Wes Larson? That could be it for sure. That could play into it. I think, I think like we talked about this with three ninety nine and bears that like bear jams. That they get so used to expecting the same behavior from animals or people or whatever. That when something breaks that behavior, it's weird for them. And wolves have acted that same way with bears for so long that it's normal. But we don't do that with them. We don't approach them on carcasses, so it's weird. But I, I don't know.
1:15:10 Jeff Larson? Yeah.
1:15:10 Wes Larson? It's a great question. It's gonna, it's one I'm gonna think about. So, thank you, Missy. All right, Jeff, you got any from listeners?
1:15:18 Jeff Larson? Yeah. All right. From Instagram.
1:15:23 Jeff Larson? Would Mike, or from Surin Flor- Floraco. Would Mike be more okay with getting an unsolicited hug from Wes or Jeff?
1:15:36 Mike Smith? Uh, Wes. Je- Jeff and our, our relationship is different in that way. You know, it's like, uh, I can't imagine physically touching Jeff in any manner at all. And not because I'm like disgusted by him.
1:15:50 Jeff Larson? Yeah. But you wouldn't kiss me?
1:15:51 Mike Smith? No, I would kiss Wes though, and we did in Zimbabwe.
1:15:56 Jeff Larson? As a joke?
1:15:56 Wes Larson? That's true. I feel like you guys are, are closer because you've lived together and everything. And so it's, it's kind of like the bear with the wolves. Like, you don't, you've evolved this response to Jeff, but you don't really have that same one with me. So it wouldn't seem so out of the ordinary for me to give you a hug.
1:16:14 Mike Smith? It's not abnormal for us to hug each other. I don't think I've ever once hugged Jeff. Have we? I don't think we have.
1:16:20 Wes Larson? Interesting.
1:16:21 Mike Smith? Let's keep it that way.
1:16:22 Wes Larson? Each other next time you see each other. Yeah.
1:16:24 Jeff Larson? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, maybe we should just get married.
1:16:30 Mike Smith? Tax purposes, I don't know, at this point, we're running out of time, dude.
1:16:34 Jeff Larson? Bikel Thomas says, body of a chimp with head of Jeff versus body of Jeff with head of chimp. Who's winning? So if you put my head on the chimp and the chimp's head on my body, what wins?
1:16:50 Wes Larson? Good question.
1:16:50 Jeff Larson? So it's like my mind on the chimp's body. So I got like the chimp's strength.
1:16:56 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:16:56 Jeff Larson? But the chimps got my body with its like huge jaws.
1:17:00 Mike Smith? For some reason, his name.
1:17:02 Jeff Larson? It's kind of a good fight.
1:17:03 Mike Smith? I was incorporating a bicycle into that equation because of his name. That was like a body of a bike.
1:17:09 Jeff Larson? And it's, it's not, it's not actually bike. It's like Michael with a B.
1:17:17 Mike Smith? Oh, weird. Okay. Cool.
1:17:18 Jeff Larson? That's how it's spelled.
1:17:19 Mike Smith? Bikel. I like that.
1:17:22 Wes Larson? I think your last one was from Siren Floral Co. too.
1:17:26 Mike Smith? Siren.
1:17:27 Wes Larson? A friend of mine. Anyway.
1:17:29 Jeff Larson? Floral Co? Yeah.
1:17:30 Wes Larson? Yeah. Yeah. She's a florist.
1:17:32 Mike Smith? That's what I said. I need to pick up some tips from her.
1:17:36 Wes Larson? I think I'm gonna go, I think I'm gonna go with Jeff's head on the body of a chimp. Because I think our main weapon over a chimp is our intelligence and their main weapon is their strength. So I don't think the teeth are enough to like put the other one over the edge. So I'd put your head on the body.
1:17:51 Mike Smith? I agree with that.
1:17:52 Wes Larson? I'd put a big bet on that, I think. Yeah.
1:17:54 Jeff Larson? I'm gonna go with the chimp's head on my body. I can bench 200 pounds once, two years ago. And uh.
1:18:00 Mike Smith? That's good.
1:18:01 Jeff Larson? With those teeth, I'm doing like some damage to my face.
1:18:07 Wes Larson? Okay.
1:18:08 Mike Smith? You've changed my mind.
1:18:09 Jeff Larson? Uh, favorite F, uh, from Wilderness, favorite F1 driver?
1:18:15 Wes Larson? Lewis Hamilton. Kind of basic, but I really like him. I like his advocacy. Think he's a good person. I really like him.
1:18:23 Jeff Larson? I think enough people have started hating Verstappen. I'm kind of starting to like him again.
1:18:29 Wes Larson? That sounds like.
1:18:29 Jeff Larson? But uh, I've always liked Perez. Perez from Mexico's been my favorite.
1:18:35 Wes Larson? I like Perez a lot.
1:18:37 Jeff Larson? He's not doing great this year.
1:18:38 Wes Larson? No.
1:18:39 Mike Smith? Uh, Ricardo, I guess.
1:18:42 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:18:42 Mike Smith? He's just a infinitely likable.
1:18:45 Wes Larson? He's pretty much done. Yeah.
1:18:47 Jeff Larson? All right. Uh, Nicole Agiri asks, um, if capitalism wasn't a thing, what job would you want to do?
1:18:57 Jeff Larson? So pretty much, I think like if there weren't like money tiers and like supporting family or whatever, just like if you could have any job you wanted without any like capitalistic, like if everything, you know, I mean, like if you, if like every job you work for free, maybe type of thing, what job would you want?
1:19:17 Wes Larson? Yeah, like I really love my job. I would have a hard time picking anything better than bear biologist. But I will say I had a roommate who his job was like, he would go just check people's gas meters. Or like he didn't even have to go into their yards, I don't think. And it was just, he just walked around all day and like listened to podcasts and music. And when he checked out of his job, he never thought about his job when he was at home. It was just like, no one was emailing him, no one was trying to get a hold of him. And it just sounded really peaceful to me. So I'm not saying that job, but I would love, I love my job, but I someday, some days I do dream about a job where like you leave it. When you're done, you don't have to think about it at all.
1:20:02 Jeff Larson? Right. No, I had that little bit with my Japanese beetle job, I think, too, where I just drove around looking for Japanese beetles.
1:20:10 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:20:11 Jeff Larson? I'd probably go garbage man. I don't know. I've always just had a fascination with like, I think it's just like such a service to the public, which like I would love to contribute to cleaning up garbage. And then like, I don't know, for whatever reason, I has seemed fun to me.
1:20:29 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:20:30 Jeff Larson? Every once in a while, you get like a dead body in one of them and you like go home.
1:20:34 Wes Larson? Yeah, sure.
1:20:35 Jeff Larson? There's a chopped up body in the garbage today.
1:20:38 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:20:39 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:20:40 Mike Smith? Um, who are you saying that to? Just anybody? Anyone who will listen? Your, your kids when you go home?
1:20:46 Wes Larson? To you guys. You guys are married.
1:20:47 Jeff Larson? Hypothetical wife and kids.
1:20:49 Mike Smith? Mine's along a similar line. I had a, a really fulfilling time when I was just put on a, a riding lawnmower at a golf course, because you get that sense of like accomplishment. Like mowing lawns, I don't know what it is, maybe, maybe some women out there, but for men, it seems like it's kind of coded into our DNA that like, it's something we really like and need to do. And I'm, I'm part of that group, I guess. It's, it smells good.
1:21:13 Wes Larson? I don't enjoy it.
1:21:14 Mike Smith? Put on a big floppy hat, keep the sun off of you and just listen to music and mow some rough and some fairways all day. I thought that was really pleasant.
1:21:22 Jeff Larson? Yeah, Wes just makes his horses do it.
1:21:26 Wes Larson? It's true.
1:21:27 Jeff Larson? Uh, oh, shoot. This one I had to screenshot because there's a picture and I don't have the person's name, but they'll know who they are because I've never gotten one quite like this. So you gotta just choose your favorite ant.
1:21:40 Wes Larson? Your favorite?
1:21:41 Jeff Larson? Bullet ant.
1:21:42 Wes Larson? Okay.
1:21:42 Jeff Larson? Trapjaw, Fire, Honey Pot, Saharan Silver. It's the fastest ant, basically mini flashes. Weaver can spray acid. Carpenter can spray acid and OG. Turtle, living bunker doors. Leafcutter, cool little dudes. Ecton, army ants that look like mammoths, or Bulldog Ant. What's your favorite ant?
1:22:09 Wes Larson? It's Bullet for me.
1:22:11 Mike Smith? I'll go with Weaver. Spraying acids, cool.
1:22:13 Jeff Larson? I like Weaver ants. Yeah.
1:22:15 Wes Larson? All right. Thanks, everyone, for sending in questions. We appreciate it. Uh, yeah, I think that's it for this week. We got a couple of announcements.
1:22:24 Jeff Larson? Well, let's shout out. So Patreon, you can now gift to other people, which, just in time for the holidays. You know, I'm not even saying ours. Just, I'm just letting people know that Patreon allows that capability.
1:22:37 Mike Smith? Yeah.
1:22:38 Jeff Larson? You know, use it, use that information, however you like.
1:22:41 Mike Smith? I like how you did that.
1:22:42 Jeff Larson? But I would say if, like, your significant other or family member doesn't gift you a Patreon subscription, like, how much do they really love you?
1:22:53 Wes Larson? Right. They probably don't like you that much at all. I will say too, like, for ours, we, we offer an annual subscription and it's at a discounted rate. So I think it's a really great gift. We remain, like, committed to continuing to post exclusive content just for our subscribers. So if you are looking for, like, a kind of out of the box gift that keeps on giving, I think that's a really good one.
1:23:18 Mike Smith? Imagine it's about the same amount of content that you get for free, you'll get exclusive to subscription. So twice as much Tooth and Claw, basically.
1:23:27 Jeff Larson? One more plug from me is just, uh, I put, like, a decent amount of work into our Tooth and Claw merch store. And it's been doing really well and we're like with like a bigger company this season. So we're like every order is going to get to you before Christmas if you order when you listen to this. And I'm just thinking like the quality and everything I'm pretty excited about. So yeah, check out tooth and claw merch.com. If you need any last minute Christmas.
1:24:01 Wes Larson? It's a great lineup.
1:24:03 Mike Smith? Really cool.
1:24:03 Jeff Larson? I guess not last minute.
1:24:05 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:24:06 Jeff Larson? A month ahead Christmas gifts.
1:24:08 Wes Larson? Uh, one other thing too. We spoke about Patreon really quick, but another benefit to Patreon is that you get to hear about any trips that we're taking first. And we have sold out all of our trips so far, except for one upcoming one to Brazilian Pantanal, which will be next August. That trip is going to go live.
1:24:27 Jeff Larson? It's like a dream trip for me.
1:24:29 Wes Larson? Yeah, it's going to go live on Patreon. The day after this episode comes out wide. So on 26th of November, um, and Patreon is going to have first access to that. So if you want access to that, you can subscribe and then you can unsubscribe as soon as you want, if you want. But, uh, that will be going live on the 26th and will fill up. So check it out.
1:24:52 Jeff Larson? And I'll say too, like, obviously, thank you so much to our Apple subscribers. Like, it means the world to us. Um, but like Patreon does allow us to do some more exclusive stuff.
1:25:04 Wes Larson? Like community posts.
1:25:06 Jeff Larson? Exclusive messaging.
1:25:07 Wes Larson? Yeah.
1:25:07 Jeff Larson? So that's kind of why we single out Patreon sometimes.
1:25:11 Wes Larson? Yeah. Apple's great if you just are in it for the convenience of having that episode show up right in your Apple feed. Super convenient. We love our Apple Griz Club. So, all right. Well, thanks, guys. Mike, have fun in Japan. Uh, eat some good food for us.
1:25:26 Mike Smith? Will do.
1:25:27 Wes Larson? And we'll see you soon.
1:25:29 Mike Smith? See you guys.
1:25:30 Jeff Larson? All right. See you. Love you.
1:25:33 Wes Larson? Love you.
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