#428: Jim Jefferies on Comedy, Life Lessons, and the Magic of Filling Out Customs Forms

#428: Jim Jefferies on Comedy, Life Lessons, and the Magic of Filling Out Customs Forms | Brought to you by Laird Superfood http://lairdsuperfood.com/tim and “5-Bullet Friday https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-sponsorship." More on both below. “The rise is always better than the peak.” — Jim Jefferies Sydney native Jim Jefferies (@jimjefferies https://www.instagram.com/jimjefferies/) is one of the most popular and respected comedians of his generation, entertaining audiences across the globe with his provocative, belief-challenging, and thought-provoking comedy. He created and starred in the sitcom Legit https://www.amazon.com/Pilot/dp/B00B2LGPVE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?dchild=1&keywords=legit&qid=1588582743&sr=8-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=offsitoftimfe-20&linkId=7ef63a6b556928b747cc5be3a9d6fdd7&language=en_US and the Comedy Central late-night show The Jim Jefferies Show http://www.cc.com/shows/the-jim-jefferies-show. 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• 6:27Tim Ferriss?

  Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it's my job to interview people who are the best at what they do, or certainly world-class performers. And my guest today is Sydney native, we're gonna talk about Sydney, Jim Jefferies. Jim is one of the most popular and respected comedians of his generation, entertaining audiences, including yours truly, around the globe with his provocative, belief-challenging, and thought-provoking comedy. I would underscore the thought-provoking. He created and starred in the sitcom Legit and the Comedy Central late-night show The Jim Jefferies Show. Jim was honored as Stand-Up Comedian of the Year at the Just for Last Festival in summer 2019. At the end of 2019, he embarked on his new tour, Oblivious, touring all around Europe and North America.

• 7:10Tim Ferriss?

  He is currently working with NBC on a multi-camera pilot, which he will star in from writer-producer Suzanne Martin, Sean Hayes, and Todd Milliner's Hazy Mills and Universal TV. His new podcast, I Don't Know About That, debuts on Tuesday, May 5th. You should check it out. And his ninth, Count Them Nine, that's incredible, stand-up special, will be released later this year on Netflix. You can find him on all the socials, @JimJefferies, that's J-E-F-F-E-R-I-E-S, and jimjefferies.com. Jim, welcome to the show.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me, Tim. Is it Tim Ferriss? It's a very good Australian name. I'm sure you get that a lot, right?

• 7:49Tim Ferriss?

  I do, I do, actually.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  You know, like the guitarist from In Excess. You obviously know that, right?

• 7:54Tim Ferriss?

  That's exactly right, yeah.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  I have a Tim Ferriss story.

• 7:58Tim Ferriss?

  Let's hear it.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  I was performing at the Nmore Theatre in Sydney, and Tim Ferriss came backstage at my gig, and I was like, a kid from Australia, very excited to meet the guitarist from In Excess. And I think he wrote most of the songs as well, you know? And when I saw him, he just had, like, his finger had fallen off. Like, it'd been like, I think it was a boating accident or something? His finger had been ripped off? And I was like, wow. So, he goes, "Yeah, that's the end of In Excess. I can't really play guitar anymore because I can't, you know, play the chords because I don't have this finger anymore." And I went, "That's a shame." And so, you know, I said to him, I said, "So, it turns out your finger was more vital than Michael Hutchins."

• 8:41Speaker 03

  Because, you know, In Excess, I think, had three new singers, and they kept going. But you lose Tim Ferriss's finger, and they can't play anymore.

• 8:51Tim Ferriss?

  Well, that is the first separate Tim Ferriss anecdote that has ever happened in 400 plus episodes. So I'm thrilled. You know, I've, I've had that name pop up before the comparison, but I've never heard an actual story. So that's

• 9:04Speaker 03

  He's, he's a very, he's a very nice man. It was the Ferris Brothers. They all went to the, there was my school and then there was the school next to us and we had a rivalry with them. And our school was like, ah, we beat you in rugby. And they're like, we, we had in excess. And we were like, ah, you win. Yeah. Like the most famous person to come from my school, I think is me. You know what I mean? We haven't got a great track record. So hello to all the people at St. Ives High in Sydney. That's where I went. But yeah, we had me, I think a couple of people who got like bronze in the Olympics and some relief pitcher for the Angels back in the nineties.

• 9:40Tim Ferriss?

  Well, let's, let's talk about Sydney. I have actually spent a fair amount of time there. I rented an apartment with a friend in Woolamaloo and

• 9:48Speaker 03

  Wow, that's, that's a bit of money. It's where the prime minister lives.

• 9:52Tim Ferriss?

  Well, you know, it was, it was, it was his idea. Although I will tell you the drawback, and you can probably tell me what these birds are. You have the most beautiful white birds that make the most god awful sounds imaginable.

• 10:04Speaker 03

  Australian women. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  I know what you're talking about. Good looking, but the accent's fucking horrendous. Yeah, you know, I've met them in me day. Oh yeah, I'm enjoying that. Keep doing it. Oh yeah, that feels good. Yeah, no, no, the worst, worst accent for sex in the world is the Australian female. But what bird are you talking about?

• 10:24Tim Ferriss?

  There's some protected bird. I want to say maybe it's a macaw. It's this white bird. It has this plume on its head and it sounds like

• 10:31Speaker 03

  It's, it's, it's a galar. That's a, oh no, a cockatoo, cockatoo.

• 10:34Tim Ferriss?

  Cockatoo, yes.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, a cockatoo. Okay, I'll tell you, my father has, okay, my father's like, he's like this guy that he's one with animals for whatever reason. And he has this like a veranda. He opens up the doors and each day these two rainbow lorikeets come and visit my father and they fly in the window and they just sit on his shoulders. Now cockatoos look very exotic here in America, but they're everywhere in Australia. They're not endangered at all. They're all, my dad thinks they're a pest, right? And he goes, there's a cockatoo that bothers those two rainbow lorikeets. So my father keeps a slingshot and some rocks by the side of his chair.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  And he shoots the cockatoos and they come over and, and my friend, my American friend who co-hosts my podcast with me, Forrest, was there and he goes, he goes, does it kill them? He goes, ah, no, it just gives them a bit of a scare, you know, if it hit, if it hit one of them in the eye, you know, why were you in Sydney for so long? Were you just backpacking or?

• 11:30Tim Ferriss?

  I was there because my, one of my best friends is actually Kiwi, uh, was living in Sydney at the time and he invited me to head over and separately, the Australian edition of my first book was launching in Sydney and they wanted me to show up for a handful of media gigs and this, that and the other thing. And so I combined everything together and stayed for two, two and a half weeks. It probably only took me two, two and a half minutes to get my pale scalp annihilated by your ozone free sun. It's

• 12:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. People don't know that. There's two holes in the ozone layer and one's over, I think, I think the north, the north pole, I think, or it might be the south. And the other hole's over Australia. And Australia, when, when you watch like, um, okay. So when you watch the weather here in America, it'll go, and the temperature's going to be this, the humidity's going to be this, and there's some winds coming in from over here. But you never get the, the, the daily UV rating. Where in Australia, they go, and it's a hundred percent UV today. And it's like a hundred percent is like normal thing. So it's like, it's like, you don't even really think about skin cancer that much in America. Like you know it happens and you have to be wary of it. And if you have a mole, you get it checked and lots of stuff. But skin cancer, if it's not number one, it's very close to the number

• 12:46Speaker 03

  one cancer in Australia. And so we had a slogan when I was a kid called slip, slop, slap. And it was slip on a shirt, slap on sunscreen and slap on a hat. And that's how, what you have to do if you want to go outdoors. And now the kids today in Australia, if you're at school, they have a policy called no hat, no play. You can't go out of the classroom if you're not wearing a hat. And the hat will have like one of those things down the back. So it covers your neck as well. It's, it's a good look.

• 13:15Tim Ferriss?

  Well, if you go to Bondi, maybe not Bondi, I'm not sure where the best surfing beaches are. But if you go to some of these beaches, I was astonished because I saw all the surfers look like they were getting ready for an Antarctic expedition. I mean, they had the ear flaps, the neck flaps. They had enough zinc on their face to to make them look like snowmen.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, we always had like fluorescent zinc on our noses as kids in the eighties. And now they still just put the white stuff. But that was how you sort of showed how your personality, whether you had pink or green or fluoro yellow or whatever like that. But I like to look at like Bondi Beach and just watch the British people who have never seen sun, just like, and you know, they've been there for a week going, go on there, lay out, enjoy yourself. And they're all just getting burnt the fuck. Yeah, that's what I love watching the British get burnt in Australia.

• 14:06Tim Ferriss?

  Well, I suppose Bondi, if I remember correctly, because my, my friend used to be a lifeguard, actually, and he was saying, you could just sit at a cafe and you could watch, I suppose on one hand, the Brits just get turned into rotisserie chicken. And then you could see tourists from, he said in particular, from China just get swept out to sea because they weren't prepared for the currents.

• 14:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, I, mind you, when I was a kid, that happened to me a few times when you swim out a bit far and then you start drifting off and you're like, ah, fuck, I'm gonna die. I did that thing where I waved and then like someone has to come out the little boat and come and get you and you're like, sorry about that. I swam a bit far, you know, so to this day, I don't go far out in the ocean, you know.

• 14:52Tim Ferriss?

  When did you feel confident in comedy as your direction? Actually, before we get to that, let's bookmark that question. I just want to say something before I forget and not to get all sentimental this early on our first date, but. I owe you a debt of gratitude because your comedy has helped me get through some really dark periods and that might sound funny because your comedy itself can be dark at points, but putting that aside, I've really enjoyed your comedy over the years and it's been not just entertaining, but really helpful to me at points. So, thank you for that.

• 15:26Speaker 03

  Oh, no problem. That's a very sweet thing of you to say.

• 15:28Tim Ferriss?

  And so to comedy and direction, when did you, when did you feel confident that that was your?

• 15:34Speaker 03

  I wanted to be a comedian from the age of about thirteen, fourteen, you know? And then I, I did it two ti- three times when I was seventeen and one time I did it and it went really well and it was the Comedy Store in Sydney and you have to go down there and they put your name in a hat and they pull your name out and I had five minutes and it was just all about being in school or whatever. I can't even remember what I talked about. And then they said, oh, you're not eighteen, are you? And I was like, no. And they go, you have to come back with a parent. And so I hadn't told my parents and my parents as well, I hadn't even told them that I went into the city. Like, I wasn't allowed to go into the city, you know, I lived out in the suburbs and I told them

• 16:19Speaker 03

  I went to a mate's house or something, so I travelled into the city. And so, so next on me dad had to come with me and I remember it was like bucketing down with rain and I went out there and I got back on and the only other people in the audience, because it was raining, were the other comedians waiting to go on. And there was the full range of people who were getting good at it, people who were never gonna get good at it and people who their first go and people have been trying for years. And anyway, I got, I couldn't have had a worse gig. I couldn't have died worse than that. And I got in the car with me dad afterwards and me dad said, he goes, oh, you're a good kid and you've

• 16:58Speaker 03

  got a lot of good qualities, but this isn't for you. And my heart sank and then I went and did it one more time just to see, because that first time went so well and then I did it again and I died again. And I went, all right, this isn't for me. And then I didn't go up again until I was twenty. I didn't do it. Yeah, I waited another three years. I I used to think it was more than that, but I was in college and I used to run me own comedy night. And I remember there was a there was I was in Perth when I started doing that. So a lot of people think I'm from Perth because of this, because I really started doing comedy in Perth. But I I the the way that a lot of people get stage time is what you do is you find a venue, put your own shows on, you book

• 17:41Speaker 03

  your own comedians, and that way you can emcee and you can get better by, you know, because I couldn't get gigs, so I thought I'd run me own gig. And there was there was this area in Perth called Clermont. And Clermont had a serial killer at the time, the Clench. Had the Clare had the Clermont Killer, right? So what happened? I don't think they ever caught him. I don't know. But maybe they did catch him. I don't know. But when I was there, the guy called the Clermont Killer. And what happened was with the Clermont Killer, all the all the bars that were normally, this was a big party area of Perth, they were all, no one was going out because all the girls who got killed, the last thing that happened for them, they left the nightclub and

• 18:25Speaker 03

  got into a taxi or went looking for a taxi. And then they were never seen again. So that nightlife there just died. So there was all these like bars that were just empty. And so I went into one like, oh, can I have a gig? And they were just happy to have anyone in the building. And I used to get like 15 people, me mates, to come along to these shows. And it was like a really popular bar, but on a Friday night, I could have a gig there because of the killer. So, you know, silver lining to what happened there.

• 18:54Tim Ferriss?

  And when you, if we go back to 17, you tried it three times, maybe this isn't for me, what in your head was plan B or the alternative?

• 19:05Speaker 03

  Well, there's a weird thing that sort of. I think there's a, you know, for people who really know about me, and it's not many people, but there's, there's a bit of a myth about me being an opera singer, um, which is, is vaguely true, right? What happened was when I was seventeen, I was in a school musical and then I was doing all right. And then someone said, oh, you should get some singing lessons and blah, blah, blah. And so I got some singing lessons with this guy called Richard Gill, who has since passed. And he was one of the main conductors for the Sydney Opera. And he, he, um, he got me, he, he got me a part in the chorus of, uh, of Wagner's The Flying Dutchman. And I had to sing in German. I was like seventeen

• 19:50Speaker 03

  and I just sang, I just, I just bought a C D of this, this opera and I just mimicked it, you know? And I, I, I wasn't that great a singer, but after that, I, I, I, um, I got into, uh, WAPA, which is the West Australian Academy of Performing Arts. And I studied musical theatre and then I studied opera in the next year. And so, so I, I was a professional opera singer for a few weeks of my life, but it was never, it was never a full by thing. But I, I did this course. It was the same course that Hugh Jackman did. And it was like, it was a full scholarship ride. And I remember, cause I, I didn't have the marks in school to get into anything academic in university. And I, I don't believe I had the marks to actually get into this course, but they

• 20:34Speaker 03

  never checked my, for my high school certificate. And I just, um, went in and did a dance and singing audition and stuff. And I always still wanted to be a comic, but because I thought the comedy wouldn't work out, I, I still wanted to be an entertainer and a performer. So I thought, oh, this is another thing I can do. And it was also, I think for my mother at that stage, that was something that she was far happier to brag about, that I was studying music in a prestigious college or something like that. But on maybe my second year into the course, there was a comedian called Gary Hu, who was like, uh, this guy who'd been on Australian TV. I'm still, I still know Gary to this day. He's a very nice man. And, uh, he'd come over to do a gig in Perth and I was his

• 21:18Speaker 03

  And we had, we had a few drinks afterwards. We got along. I think he liked me more as a person than he liked me as a comic. But he said, he said, do you want to come and do these, these mining town gigs? And I thought, I thought, ah, that's too good an opportunity. So I quit university and I went out to like places like Cowgully and these little gold mining towns. And I performed in these bars just to like Australian cowboys, pretty much like guys in cowboy hats that live out in the land and they work in the mines and all that. So these towns had so many men working out there and so few women that in the bars in these towns, the bartender would be a female and they'd be, and they'd ship them in and they'd call them skimpies.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  And a skimpy, and she would just be topless. Now, the, the, but this wasn't, this wasn't a strip bar. This was just a normal bar. All the bars have topless bartenders in all these little country towns. And the reason for that is if you take away the topless girl behind the bar, it's a gay bar.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  It's just, it's just men. So, so they had to go, no, no, no, we're not gay. Cause they all dressed like cowboys, just the only thing. No, we're not gay. There's a pair of tits over there. So we're all right, you know? And so I did these gigs and I thought, and I had, I hadn't told my parents that I'd quit university. I thought, you know, I thought, I'll just keep doing this until I can be a full-time comic. And then I think it's basically the storyline of the movie Punchline, that Tom Hanks' character who said, he said, oh no, I'm going to be a doctor. I'm going to be a doctor. And then he said he'd tell his parents once he's a professional comic. But then I just quit uni. I went back to Sydney to my parents and said, oh, I'm going to give stand-up comedy a go.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  And then I think I moved to England. I moved to England then. I know the day I moved to England because I was packing my suitcase and about 10 o'clock at night. And I was all excited. It was going to be my first time traveling overseas. I'd never been, I know, I'd tell a lie. I'd been to America once when I was 14, but it was my first time traveling overseas by myself without family members. Yeah. And I was going on my big adventure by myself. I was getting on a plane and, and I was packing me bags and the, and the twin towers fell down. And that's when I, that's how I. That's how I can remember the date that I left for Britain, the next day, yeah.

• 23:48Tim Ferriss?

  Now, you leaving to Britain, I had read, trying to do homework for this conversation, you'd commented somewhere that there were lots of funny comics in Australia, some people funnier than you, but you had more ambition than some of them and you ended up going to the UK, you ended up then going to the US. Is that, is that a misquote? I mean, you can't believe everything you read on the internet.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  I, I think that, that's, um, that's true, but it maybe more ambition is the wrong way to say it. I think I was in a place in my life where I was young enough and had less connections that I could get up and do that, you know? I didn't have a girlfriend, I didn't have kids, you know, and, and I started pretty early in life at comedy and a lot of people don't start till, you know, they're 30 or their late twenties or whatever like that. And then they have roots, you know, and I didn't have anything holding me back. So there were comics in Australia who were better than me and, um, but I feel like maybe they couldn't get up and go. But also, also when I say ambition, it's, it, there's a difficult thing with Australian comedy

• 24:55Speaker 03

  because doing live work in Australia is very difficult because you don't have the population to sell tickets. People watch comedy in Australia, but they only go out and see the big acts when they come to town. So the comedy clubs for the most part are empty and Melbourne has one comedy club, Sydney I think has two. Perth has one, this isn't enough to sustain an industry, you know, a ground roots industry anyway. And so everybody's, everybody's sort of like, when you've made in Australia, you're the breakfast radio guy. If you can get that job and that job in Australia pays really, really well. And so everyone's trying to get those jobs. So I think a lot of people who were good comics maybe had, because no one was really full time, maybe had a good day job.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  I didn't have a good day job. I was earning, I was selling mobile phones during the day when I was a comic in Australia. So I fucking wasn't worried about leaving that at all.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  I was, I was one of the worst employees a company had ever had and I worked for a place called Straffville Car Radios and I was just, if there was a way to get out of working, I, I had found it. There was stairwells that I hid under and I did things, I did things that seemed like they, to get out of work that were more work than actually doing work, you know. If, if I, I had to sell, I had to sell car stereos and mobile phones and it was, you know, I still to this day, if I was to sell a car stereo, I wouldn't know, I don't know how much amplifiers you need to run a subwoofer and I sold them for years

• 26:32Speaker 03

  and I have no idea. I was a college worker for this guy and I used to just point at things and guess and go, that, look at the size of it and go, that'd do it, you know. I, I, one, one time, one time I totaled a guy's white van, like just totaled it, just in, in a stereo fitting, which is very, what happened was this guy, this white van driver, a guy that, you know, works, plumber or whatever the fuck he was, you know. And he came in and he goes, ah, I want some speakers and a CD player. And I was like, all right. And I, I knew which were the good CD players. I got him like a Sony CD player and I said, ah, this has enough amps in it that you can run some six by nine speakers. And I go,

• 27:15Speaker 03

  you just put them in the back here. That's a good sized speaker, a six by nine and that'll be good. And then, and then he goes, oh, I can only get it today. And all the fitters were full. And so I said, I, I went down, there was a, there was a 16 year old apprentice working down there. And I said, mate, this is an easy job. Just, just put the stereo in there. And then I don't know how to fucking do it. I said, and you run the wires along this door panel down here and then just whack those speakers in the side there, just into the side wall and that'll work, right? Now you're meant to take the panels off, cut the holes in, put the speakers in, put the panels back on. But this young fella just got the saw out and he, he just started cutting and it got a bit stiff.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  Anyway, he cut out one of the support beams that support, support the, support the roof of the car and, and the, the, the, the roof of the car just, just slanted down, you know, about forty five degrees, just sunk into the thing. And this guy came back to get his car and I just went, I go, well, the good news is the stereo sounds great. Ah, and then just having, I was never felt more terrified in my life than having to walk this bloke down just to show him that we demolished his car in about an hour and a half.

• 28:32Tim Ferriss?

  What happened?

• 28:33Speaker 03

  Well, we, the company had insurance for such occasions. I'm sure, I, I, I, I'm sure we just bought him a new van. There was no way to fix it. You can't put a new support. It's not a panel beating job. We, we basically cut the roof off his car, you know? So I assume he got a new van out of it. So he probably did pretty good, you know? I, there was, there was a couple of things like that. I saw, I saw a bloke get knocked out, uh, changing over, uh, uh, I saw a guy, they, they, the new BMWs and the European cars had different coloured wires and stuff like that. And he was trying to test the fucking, the, the, the land and the positive and the negative and the earth and all that type of stuff. And he's got his test out and he's, he's laying in the front seat of the car and he

• 29:17Speaker 03

  touched the wrong wire. It was the wire for the airbag and the airbag exploded into his head and he was knocked out and there was just fucking white dust in a bag. Yeah. Anyway, I, look, I'm not saying anything. It's too bad. That company's gone bust now. They don't exist anymore. So they can't get angry at me for saying anything. Probably because of fucking me.

• 29:38Tim Ferriss?

  How did you make the decision to go to the UK? Uh, why the UK as opposed to somewhere else? Is that, is that a usual kind of lily pad for a lot of promising talent from Australia?

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Well, uh, uh, the UK has more comedy clubs per capita than anywhere in the, in the world, far beating America. And also it's just a great place to do comedy because it's so compact. And, you know, I remember I, before I moved here to America, I used to bitch and moan about, oh, I gotta drive to Manchester, two hundred mile drive. You know what I mean? And I used to like, oh, better get a hotel room and stay the night and all that type of stuff. In America, I'm on planes and flying and driving. You know, there's an old saying that, um, that Americans think a hundred years is old.

• 30:22Speaker 03

  And British people think a hundred miles is far, right? And I think that sort of sums it up, right? And, and, but also, if you're under twenty seven and you're from the Commonwealth and the people from Canada can do this as well, you can get, and I think it's one year now, but back then you can get a two-year work visa where you're allowed to go out and work. Now, you're only meant to do menial jobs. You're meant to be bartenders and whatever. You're not allowed to further your career, you know? So if you walk into any bar in London, it's filled with Australian and New Zealand bartenders, you know? And so I had to do comedy on the sly, cash in hand, until, till one of the management companies would give me a work permit. But I, I never became a British citizen or anything.

• 31:06Speaker 03

  I stayed there for ten years and my visas would only ever last until my gigs ran out. No one booked you more than three months in advance. So every three months, I went into a panic like, all right, I guess it's all over now. This is the end of the career. You're going back to Australia and then I got another one and then I got another one. And I just kept on staying. I, I had a girlfriend there for a bit that I thought I'd marry and thank fuck that didn't work out, you know? I look back on it now, but she was a nice enough girl, but that, that never happened. And I, you know, I just kept going. And so what would happen is in, there was very few American comics in Britain. I feel like it's different now. I feel like the world of comedy is a lot more closed. It was much more segregated where everyone was, you know?

• 31:51Speaker 03

  But all the Canadians and Australians and New Zealanders all hung out together. And we all lived in these houses with like eight comics. It was, it was probably, I would argue, the happiest time in my life. I think that would be the happy, and I was broke as fuck, but you know, the, the, the rise is always better than the peak, man.

• 32:14Tim Ferriss?

  Well, let's, let's talk about that for a second. So what was it about the rise that you think, or just that situation that contributed to feeling, feeling happy during that period of time?

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Well, it was, it was the optimism and also, also you were in it with a group of, you know, people who you all started out with and you were all supporting each other. And it, you know, the, the, the British scene in my mind is less competitive than the American scene. And I attribute that to, in America, you play a comedy club and then the comedy clubs decide who's getting paid what. And so there's a real, you're worth this much, you're worth this much, you're worth this much. Right? And so you'll have a headliner who might be being paid $10,000 for that show. And you'll have a support act who's literally getting 40 bucks. And that's still going on, right? And so there is a little bit of like, when you're the person earning the 10,000, like, ah,

• 33:09Speaker 03

  don't worry, guys, I'll, I'll get the drinks. You know what I mean? There's, there's a bit of that. But you go down to, I, I don't know what it is now, but you go down to the Comedy Store in London in the, in the early 2000s, 200 pounds a gig for everybody. And you might do two shows there a night, 200 pounds will say like 300 American bucks or there, thereabouts, you know? And that was a good income that you could live off. And, you know, each comic was getting the same price. So you didn't feel like, well, why are they getting this? And I'm not getting this. And if you got famous, you got out of the comedy clubs and you went and did theatres. You never were famous and in comedy clubs, you know? And so over, they never, the comedy clubs might just have your name written out the front,

• 33:51Speaker 03

  but they don't have posters around the club going, next week, David Spade, next week, Kevin Nealon or whatever, you know what I mean? They don't have that. So people just went to comedy because they wanted to go see comedy. And, and the club might have a reputation for having the best acts or what have you. And another club might be, have a reputation for having worse acts or maybe they pay less or whatever, you know? But so, so the fact that no one was sort of getting paid more than anybody else and we're all sort of in the same boat, it didn't breed jealousy or competitiveness like it does over here. And also in America, there seems to be, Britain, there's so few TV opportunities.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  You know, you might go on a panel show or something like that, but comics getting offered sitcom deals isn't really a thing. You know, because there's not that many sitcoms. There's just not enough channels to do that, you know? And in America, it's like, that guy got a development doing what? How the fuck did this person get it, you know? So that, I think, breeds more jealousy and maybe less kindred spirits than the British one. I think I still have more friends in comedy in the UK than I do in England, in America. But I kind of say that when I moved to America, I was already sort of established and I was older. And I sort of just keep to myself, to be honest. I like, I like when I'm not doing comedy, to just not think about comedy.

• 35:18Speaker 03

  And when I was younger, all I did was think about comedy and what do I do? Jokes, jokes, jokes, jokes, jokes. And now I just sort of try not to watch anybody and try to keep to myself. And try, try to be a good dad and all that type of stuff. And I think that just comes with age.

• 35:35Tim Ferriss?

  When did you first feel in, say, the UK that you were successful? And that, that's relative, right? So it could have been a small win, it could have been a big win. But when did you feel, holy shit, like, I think I'm on my way, this could be a thing?

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Well, there's several different stages to that. Now, the first stage is I didn't have a day job anymore. So I stopped working in the bars and I, you know, I was working in pubs and stuff when I first got there. I stopped working in bars and then comedy was my full-time job. And that was, that was maybe the best feeling I've had of anything ever, I think. That was the best one, was when that this is my job. And you, you got to, when you got to the airport and you had to write down occupation in the form. And I got to write stand-up comedian, that, that felt, I still, I still fucking get a little buzz out of doing that, man. I still stand-up comedian. And then, you know, the next sort of step, what happened was in Britain, in my opinion,

• 36:31Speaker 03

  if you weren't doing the Edinburgh Festival, you weren't really trying, you know? And the Edinburgh Festival, unlike Montreal or what have you, or some of the other ones around the world, where you're invited to these festivals, you're not invited to Edinburgh. You just decide if you want to do it. And then you go up there and. Do it. And if people show up, well, that's good for you. But it's a real, it's a real litmus test on whether people like you or not. Because you went from being in the clubs to you're, you're getting reviewed by fifteen or twenty publications. Now, some of these publications are just pissy little student rags that are around for the three weeks of the festival. And some of them are the Scotsman and the Telegraph and big, you know, independent and proper newspapers.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  And so you'd go up to Edinburgh. And so I did one Edinburgh Festival. And in a fifty seater and I saw, I averaged thirty tickets a night. And I thought, that's pretty good. And then the next year I went up and I, I had a hundred and twenty seater. And I sold that out. And then, and then afterwards, so then my management put me into um, little community centers around the UK to just do solo shows, you know. And uh, you little two hundred seat community theaters in these small little villages, little towns and villages in between the towns, you know. Uh, what happened was, so I was about to my first tour and then, you know, two thousand and six and I

• 37:59Speaker 03

  I got punched in the head. And this is before things went viral or this before really YouTube is what YouTube was. And then this thing was on everywhere, me getting punched in the head.

• 38:10Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, you mentioned Manchester earlier. It was Manchester Comedy Store, right?

• 38:14Speaker 03

  It was a Manchester Comedy Store. And so this little tour I was meant to be doing sold out. And, you know, I've always said that, you know, a lot of people go, oh, that was lucky, but it was, but you you still have to be able to back it up. You know, because a lot of opportunities happen to a lot of people. It's whether you, whether you're ready to pounce on it, you know. And so, so that was, that was sort of a, a bigger moment, you know, and then going off. Every time you got to a new festival and, you know, I remember, I remember feeling really big, the first time someone paid for an airplane ticket for me. I thought, that's something. I'm traveling and I went and did some gigs in Asia and then I went to Montreal and and I was like, and it was just sitting in economy, but I remember thinking, fuck, and I'm seeing the world for free.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Seemed like a big deal to me because my, when growing up, my parents, my parents saw the world and they, you know, for two years they traveled. And I was always sort of envious of that and thought, I'll never be able to do that. I'll never, you know? And then when I got to do it and stay in nice hotels and that type of stuff, that felt like a real, real achievement, you know? And then everything since then hasn't really felt like anything, to be honest. Nothing, American success or anything's just sort of felt like, I, now I'm of the opinion that it'll all go away one day. It'll all end or it won't be what it is now or, and you gotta be happy without it, you know? If you're not happy with it, you won't be happy without it. So that's why I'm saying the rise was better than the thing.

• 39:43Speaker 03

  Now it's like, oh, all right, when's this gonna end? And then when, when, when you, when you're younger, you're like, the sky's the limit. And now it's like, I don't need to go up any higher. I've seen enough. I've seen enough of the sky.

• 40:01Tim Ferriss?

  What keeps you going these days, right? I, I would agree that the sort of chasing the summit is in a lot of ways more fun than getting up there and being like, Jesus Christ. Okay, now what?

• 40:16Speaker 03

  Well, now, now it's more about, less about success and more about making good work, you know? Doing like, like it's also, it's also things now, it's like, so I'm doing a multi cam sitcom now. And if you asked me even a year ago, if I'd ever do a multi cam sitcom, I'd think no one would ever put me in a multi cam sitcom. And then when I got asked, some, some of the fan base were calling me a sellout and all that type of stuff because I'm doing a multi cam. And it's like, you know what? Fuck you, man. It's like, I, I watched Seinfeld. I watched Friends. I watched Cheers. I watch all these things. I love those shows. There's a rumor about these shows that, oh, but they have a laugh track. They don't have a laugh track.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  It's a fucking studio audience. People are actually laughing. That's real laughter, you know? But it seemed to be a bit cheap or something, but you know, I, I, um, I think now is, is, uh, challenging myself is, is what you wanna do, you know? So I'm not. A good actor. Sometimes I get better at it the more I do it. You know what I mean? I'd like to get good at acting. I think that would be a thing that would be, you know, I would never have the audacity to call myself an actor. I say stand up comedian slash actor, and I always think I should take that bit off the actor bit. That's not a real thing. But yeah, I, cause I know, I know real actors.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  I've, I've got some friends who are proper actors and they're a complete class difference from what I can do. Every, every, every job like in Legit, I played myself. You know, I'm gonna play myself in this sitcom. It's like, it's like, I'm not really an actor as such as someone who just reads the lines as myself.

• 42:00Tim Ferriss?

  Well, let, let's talk about, you mentioned getting better at acting. Let, let's talk about comedy for a second and flashback to Edinburgh. So for people who want a picture, Edinburgh is this extremely picturesque town.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  It's a beautiful city.

• 42:14Tim Ferriss?

  It's beautiful. You've got the, the coffee shops where J K Rowling wrote the, uh, the Sorcerer's Apprentice.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  Oh, I didn't know that. Is she from, is she from Edinburgh? There you go.

• 42:24Tim Ferriss?

  She wrote, she wrote a number of the books there. I think at the Elephant Room and then like Beautiful Fudge, kinda looks like Hogwarts. You can see all these buildings. What happens, just since I don't know anything about the festival, if it's not invite only, what happens if too many comics show up? Or is it just so intimidating that that doesn't happen? And do you just kinda walk into town like a, with a, a stick and a satchel over your shoulder?

• 42:49Speaker 03

  There, there's, there's just unlimited rooms. There's just unlimited. They, they go to the university, they use every single classroom. They'll find any, like they'll find a closet and go, this is a four seat room. There's, there, half of these rooms are complete nut of fire hazards. They shouldn't be allowed. Like, and, and it's, and it's in the middle of summer and people are sweltering. There's people fainting in your audience and stuff like that. And then there's the, the biggest rooms, a thousand seats, which is McEwan Hall. But then they do things like, they put tents up. So there's a lot of like, there's a lot of, um, sort of, uh, park areas and they just whack tents up everywhere and people. Performing these tents and what what happens is that these venues will start operating at nine in the morning and they'll be running at four in the morning. Right. Wow.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  And and each each hour you you know is is someone's act. And so you know, when like my first show, I got like a eleven o'clock P M. Spot, which isn't a great spot. You want that sort of six to nine sort of area. And then like as you get more popular, they go, oh, you've got the eight o'clock spot. You're like, woo, the eight o'clock spot. You know what I mean? So that like I heard something, two thousand shows are up at the festival. And it's not just it's not just stand up comedy. Stand up comedy, for whatever reason, is the bit that people it's known for, but it's an arts festival. So there's a lot of like, there's a lot of cool things like during the day, there's a lot of shows that you can see that you can take your kids to something, some puppetry or or some type of clowning type thing, or a lot of stand up comics who are more family friendly.

• 44:18Speaker 03

  They might do their adult show at night and they'll do a kid's show during the day, you know, which is a cool thing. And I look, I never could. I was always hung over and sleep until five P M. And then I'd crawl out and do my show. I used to gain like twenty pounds at that festival, you know, and then work it all just beer weight, just horrible fat, you know. Anyway, but uh uh it's it's for me, it's a it's a magical place. It more than any other festival, because it was just it was just everybody up there was creative and and it was people that wanted to do their things and people. Comics were were experimenting that they couldn't do in comedy clubs.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  There was things that I was doing that I I did a I did a story that was thirty forty minutes long. Um forty minutes long about taking my friend with muscular dystrophy to a brothel. And the the thing about that is I'd never done a set in a comedy club that was more than twenty minutes. So I, I, I couldn't have done that routine if not for the Edinburgh Festival, even if I wanted to, you know, um, there was, but the thing is, I think the average loss is five thousand pounds. It's your own money and the promoters are making money and there's posters everywhere, right? And then you gotta pay for the posters. Then you gotta pay for people to fly

• 45:37Speaker 03

  for you all day, or you gotta fly for yourself. And so if you break even on that festival, if you come out like going, yeah, zero, that's you really crushed it. You really crushed it. And so it's, it's a gamble, but the thing is you get reviewers, you get media. There's, so there's things like, what's her name? Um, Fleabag. Um, you know, Phoebe, Phoebe Waller, Phoebe Waller. She just wrote the last James Bond movie and she had a TV, she, she, she won an Emmy for, she won an Emmy for, yeah, she won an Emmy for a TV show Fleabag.

• 46:15Tim Ferriss?

  Okay, I'll try to find her. We'll put it in the show notes.

• 46:19Speaker 03

  Anyway, like, like her show.

• 46:21Tim Ferriss?

  Phoebe Waller Bridge. Is that the one?

• 46:23Speaker 03

  Phoebe, Phoebe Waller Bridge, right? So her show was just a show at the Edinburgh Festival that some BBC executives saw and went, who's making it do a TV show? And then all of a sudden, you got a TV show, then she's got American TV. Now she's fucking writing James Bond and that magic doesn't happen out of a comedy club. It just doesn't, you know? And so, so, you know, like the Edinburgh Festival gave us Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie, you know, they, they'd won one of the first awards and all these great sketch groups that, you know, I don't think Monty Python ever did it, but maybe they did. I don't know. I'm a huge, I'm a huge Python guy.

• 47:03Tim Ferriss?

  You are?

• 47:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I had, I had John Cleese came over to my house for dinner and I was just fanboying out the whole time and it was the fucking best, man. It was the best. I'm friends with his daughter and they were gonna come and see one of my shows. They were gonna come and see one of my shows and then because this is the early stages of quarantine before everyone was quarantined, but we were cancelling live things. It was like the first week and so my show was cancelled and he was gonna come and I said, "Oh, well, just come over for dinner." And then I just was like, "Fucking John Cleese is in me house, man." That was, that was one of the great thrills of my life.

• 47:38Tim Ferriss?

  If for people who don't have, and this is true, I think of a lot of younger people who might be listening to this from the US, if they don't have exposure to Monty Python, where would you suggest they start?

• 47:47Speaker 03

  Well, it's very easy at the moment because I think Netflix has all of it.

• 47:52Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Netflix has all of it. I think the easiest, the most palatable thing to, okay, so the best movie is Life of Brian, but maybe if you just wanna have something that's like easy, palatable, and I think they think it's their worst film, I'd watch The Meaning of Life first because it's small, small sketches and it's easy to watch. I'm not a big Holy Grail or Jabberwocky fan. I, I like, I like Life of Brian, but The Flying Circus Show is as good as anything and all of those are on Netflix and they're ready to watch. You know, the, the, the, all the sketches are good. They're all good. It's just like the, the classic ones, like The Dead Parrot and all that type of stuff, they're not even the best ones. They're just the most easy to quote, I think.

• 48:35Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 03

  They're not even the best ones.

• 48:37Tim Ferriss?

  Well, well, let's talk about your brothel visit with your friend with muscular dystrophy.

• 48:42Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 48:43Tim Ferriss?

  All right. So Edinburgh Festival, it's a big oppo, it's a big, it's a big opportunity. How do you work on that material? Like, what did you do to get that ready? That's a big set.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Well, that, that routine pretty much has the story. There's, you have stories that are partly true and stories that you embellish and stories that you add on things and, you know, but that story is very, very close to a hundred percent true, very close. And what happened there was I had my friend, his brother wanted to get a blowjob.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  We sorted it out and then, and then, you know, this, the story happened. And then I remember when that happened, I was actually at the Melbourne, Melbourne Comedy Festival, which I've only done once. I went into the bar, the comedian's bar in Melbourne, and I literally walked in and I saw a couple of friends of mine and I said, have I got a story for you. And I remember I started telling it. By the time I was halfway through the story, there was maybe 11 people standing around in this bar and people saying, turn the music down. And I was talking about this brothel visit and I remember thinking, wow, this is keeping comedians attention, you know? And I think I probably, I probably told

• 49:59Speaker 03

  that story, um, to like in pubs and to friends for about a year and before it just became a just a standard bit of comedy for me. And then from that, the TV show Legit is from, you know, the TV, my TV, my, at an FX TV show, which was completely based on that story. And it was a one, that was just the pilot episode was taking someone to a brothel, like with muscular dystrophy to a brothel. And then when we did the show afterwards, we did another 26 episodes. And the thing that was weird was then you have a character with muscular dystrophy that you have to write into each episode. And I thought, oh God, I only really need this guy for one. But then that became, that became the

• 50:41Speaker 03

  sweetness of the show. That became the sweet thing. But, but it was hard. Sometimes you'd write a funny scene or something would funny would happen in your life. And you'd think, oh, I gotta put that in the show. And then you go, and I have to work in a guy in a wheelchair.

• 50:57Tim Ferriss?

  How do you, and I apologize, I'm not a comic, so I don't even know the proper vocabulary. We have, I think we have some mutual friends like Whitney Cummings and Brian Callan and these guys who will have much more pointed questions. But for lack of a better way to ask, how do you workshop some of your more? Uh, I was gonna say intricate, but just longer pieces. For instance, and I know you get asked about this all the time, but if we look at the gun control or gun related pieces that you've done, I mean, those are like long theatrical pieces.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  Well, I have an interesting story on how I wrote gun control.

• 51:36Tim Ferriss?

  Let's hear it.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  That, that routine, that's probably, I think that probably is the routine I'm most proud about. I think it's the most sort of thought provoking or original or whatever thing that I, I did was that gun control routine that I think was most memorable. Um, and sadly, the routine always gets new legs after there's a shooting or something like that. So it's not the way you wanna get known, you know, but, um, that routine. Now, now I have to stipulate when I say this, okay, with Americans, I understand that many of you like guns and I'm not anti you. I don't think you're wrong. I, well, I do think you're wrong, but, but I grew up in a society without guns and I have had a

• 52:20Speaker 03

  different life experience from you. Um, and so this is just my point of view. It doesn't mean that my point of view is right and your point of view is wrong. It's just, this is, this is my way of thinking on the matter. Um, so I have a guy and I'm happy to call this man a friend, um, who does not agree with me in any way. And this guy's a more Republican than I'm, I'm more moderate. I think people think I'm a big lefty, but I'm a bit more moderate than I think people would realize. But, and it's John Ratzenberg from Cheers.

• 52:51Tim Ferriss?

  No, no kidding.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  Cliff, Cliff Claven from Cheers. And Cliff Claven was on my TV show Legit. And, uh, I was, I was with him when Sandy Hook happened and, uh, we were on set and he said to me, ah, Jimmy, yeah, if only these teachers had guns, we wouldn't have these problems. And I went, you're fucking kidding. You want teachers to have guns and I don't. And we argued and debated for a few days on this matter, you know, it was never mean or nasty or anything like that. It was just, you know, I couldn't believe that Americans thought this way about guns. I'd already, before that, I already, I always knew you liked guns. But when I heard these arguments and I was saying to other people, I think this guy at work, you wouldn't believe what he said. It's fucking crazy. And then I started finding out that other

• 53:37Speaker 03

  people who were friends of mine agreed with him as well. And then I thought, oh, man, maybe I'm not in the minority, but this is a very common belief they all have. And so then you start thinking, maybe I'm wrong or maybe I'm whatever. And so I just wanted to give not a scientific or a statistic based argument on the guns. I just wanted to give a, my point of view and just looking at it rationally type of argument, you know, so that routine was written through arguments with other people. It was just, well, conversations with other people. It wasn't written by, it wasn't written by me going, oh, and I wonder what the statistic is on this. And I

• 54:18Speaker 03

  wonder what that is and, and reading and researching. It was me just arguing with friends until I got all my arguments down. And I was like, all right, this is what I'm coming in with. This is what I'm coming in with. And very often, stand up comedy is just you having a one sided argument and no one being able to respond, which is a one, which is a wonderful thing. They all respond in the end. They all write something at the end on the internet and try to get you, or they come up to you. But and in that moment on stage, your argument is gospel and no one can say any different. Doesn't mean, doesn't mean it's right. Doesn't mean it's right.

• 54:54Tim Ferriss?

  And as you're having these arguments, are you refining all this in your head, just catching it in a net? Or are you, do you have a little black book you pull out of your pocket when something comes up? How do you capture?

• 55:05Speaker 03

  I don't write jokes down and I really should because. I lose track of punchlines and stuff like that and other lines can seep in. You can, you know, you can, you can get, I should write things down, but I never fucking write things down. I do most of me writing on stage. You have a kernel of a thought and you wait till you're doing a gig where you're really cooking. And the audience really likes you and you think, I can get away with anything right now. And then you do your bit and if it doesn't work, you go straight back into a bit that you know really well. It's very solid. And so, so that's how I do it on stage. And a lot of people in LA, they'll invite you to do a gig and they'll say, um, they'll say, uh,

• 55:48Speaker 03

  hey, come down to my room and try out, it's a good place to try out new stuff. And it's like, are you fucking out of your mind? I'm going to come down, do 10 minutes and try out new stuff. I, I, in LA where someone important might be. I, I wedge, I wedge the joke in, in Kansas, in my two hour show in the middle of, you know, when you're doing two hours on stage, I try to work in two new minutes each time, three new minutes. And then that three minutes becomes five minutes. And then at the end of a year, you've got a new show. That's why I always find it weird that you're expected to have a new tour written. When really these tours are, if you see me a year and a half apart, it'll be a new show.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  But if you see me, even if it's a different tour and it's a month apart, it's not going to be that much different because everything's just evolving and moving and turning. And then the specials come out and once the special comes out, you never say those jokes again.

• 56:44Tim Ferriss?

  And when, and when you try out those new two or three minutes, if it really works or it partially works, do you just make a mental note? Do you go back and watch the video or listen to tape?

• 56:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't tape them either. I, I, I normally, I'm normally so focused on those two, three minutes that I know that, you know, I know, I know what I'm going to do. Um, but the, the two or three minutes, sometimes that works better than the stuff that's killer, even though it's not as good a joke, because for whatever reason, the audience can see that you're excited by that joke and they can see the sparkle behind your eye. And there's that little bit of magic that happens because you're so excited and, and you can't fake that and you can't. Act excited about a joke you've told a hundred times. You can't. You can perform it well. You can perform it really well. You can put everything into it and make it great.

• 57:36Speaker 03

  But you can never have that magic where you're grinning through it because you're like, ah, this is so good. You know what I mean? And so, so, cause, cause doing a new bit of stand up, that's the most enjoyable bit of the whole show for the, for the, for the performer. At least it is for me.

• 57:51Tim Ferriss?

  Life of Brian. So let's, let's come back to that if you don't mind. What is it about Life of Brian that makes it so good in your mind?

• 58:00Speaker 03

  Well, it's the perfect movie. The thing about it is there's plenty of quotable sort of sketches in there and stuff like that. It's mocking religion, which I love, but it's, but it's, but it's also not mocking religion in a direct way. It's like the Christians can get upset and go, this is sacrilege and all type of stuff. No, they don't tease Jesus at all. You know what I mean? They have the beginning, the meek, they will inherit this and inherit that, but they don't really get into Jesus. We're talking about Brian. If you want to say that this is about Jesus, that's your fucking problem. You know, there's a lot of people going around acting like they were prophets who got crucified back in the day. And if you want to say that we can't talk about them, that seems a bit ridiculous.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  So it's a lovely little loophole where you can poke fun at people and still, you know, and also that stuff about the, what did the Romans ever do for us? The aqueduct, the this, that. It's just, it's very, very funny.

• 58:56Tim Ferriss?

  Are there any other comics who were really formative for you or people you have, formative or people you've looked at and just said to yourself, I don't know how they do what they do. Right? Because I guess those are two, kind of two separate things, I suppose.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  George Carlin, um, when I started watching him, I thought that was, that, that he was pretty amazing. And I, you know, I, I get a little bit Carlin-esque on a joke here and there, and I gotta watch myself because I, I, I'd love to have been that man, you know, he, he seems like the perfect comedian to me.

• 59:33Speaker 03

  I, I would say, um, there was a guy called Anthony Morgan as well when I was. Growing up in Australia, who was very influential on me growing up. And I don't know what he is, does these days, and I haven't seen him since. Um, but he, he was, he was a big deal for me. And Eddie Murphy's Delirious was a pivotal moment in my childhood. It was the first time I saw someone who wasn't Australian doing stand up comedy. Got to understand in Australia, we only had four TV channels. We had no comedy specials. I didn't know Richard Pryor was a comedian. I thought he was an actor, right? We had no stand up specials. We had no HBO, that didn't exist. Or we, we didn't even have American TV. We didn't have, I couldn't see who was doing well on Carson.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  That didn't exist. Those clips never got to us. You know, we had our own late night shows with our own comics on them. And you'd see them for a few minutes and that was all you really saw of them. And then Delirious was the first cinematic release stand up special. So it was in the video store and I remember watching it and I couldn't get over that this guy was doing stand up comedy for an hour. That blew my mind. I thought the stand up comedy was only in a medium of five minutes. That, that's what everyone did. And then you, you couldn't watch someone afterwards. And I remember like, I wasn't good looking. I wasn't good at sports. I wasn't anything, you know, that was deemed to be cool.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  You know, I couldn't play on a guitar. I couldn't, you know? And just to see someone who was doing something that I believed I had the innate talent to be able to do. And he was cool. You know what I mean? I'd never seen, like, cause comedy before that, before Eddie Murphy for me, I didn't. It was, we're goofy, we're goofy people. And I still to this day, don't particularly care if some, my mother always used to go, they're laugh, those kids at school are laughing at you, not with you. And I, I just didn't care as long as I was getting the laughs. Cause I still knew I was doing it to get laughs. It didn't matter to me where they came from. And so just to see someone who was cool and he was, you know, like, let's be honest.

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  I wear a fucking leather jacket. All my specials because fucking Eddie Murphy wore those leather jumpsuits. There's one of my specials, I wear it without a T-shirt. I just wanted to just once, once have a leather, and I've never done that in my personal life or anything. Just before I walked out on stage, I went, fuck it, I'm taking the T-shirt off. I'm gonna be like Eddie Murphy and just, just, just wear a leather jacket on bare skin. I fucking, that jacket stinks to this day.

• 1:02:14Tim Ferriss?

  Do you think you'll still be in LA or is, is LA home base for you in 10 years' time?

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  LA is home and, um, LA is home and I don't believe that, uh, you know, I got a kid and I, I would like to have another child. Um, sometimes. So I think when you have children, I think that's your, your moving's done. You know what I mean? I, I think maybe I could retire in Hawaii or something like that, depending if my kid fucking goes off and works in New York or whatever. What's the point of me staying in LA? You know, maybe I could go off to Santa Barbara and buy a place and go for fucking walks or whatever the fuck people do when they're old, but you know, you, you could, it could be,

• 1:03:01Speaker 03

  you could be in a lot worse places than LA. Nothing wrong with it. Yeah. I, I, I really get a bit home proud of LA and I don't like when people bag on it. And people just go, oh, LA, oh, you must hate it there. And they're like, oh, the traffic, the traffic. Where I live doesn't have traffic because your place is shit. LA's got traffic. LA's got traffic because people want to fucking live here. That's why there's traffic. Cause people want to be here and it's good. The food's good and the women are pretty and shit. You know what I mean? Like, why would you? You know what I mean? Why would you want to fucking, the restaurants are nice. Like there's, there's places, other places that are nice as well, but there's just, what my argument is, there's nothing wrong with LA.

• 1:03:43Tim Ferriss?

  Well, LA is also, I mean, this took me a while to figure out, uh, and obviously there are many people who've spent more time there, but I lived in Northern California for almost 20 years and spent a lot of time in Southern California. Is that LA to me strikes me like as if it's a dozen different cities all within the umbrella of LA, right? So you can really kind of pick your pocket depending on where you want to be and the personalities are very different.

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree with that as well. It's like, it's like when I moved to LA, all I knew of LA was two things. There was the Hollywood, which was the ritzy looking lights and all type of stuff. And then there was Compton. And they're the only two things that I had seen on TV. You know what I mean? And so I, I used to think, I, I used to believe I couldn't walk the streets in LA because a bladder or a Crip would come and shoot me or something. You know what I mean? Like, there'd be a drive by or something. It's fucking, or I'd be in Beverly Hills and it would just be girls with long legs with dogs in handbags. And I thought that was all there was. And it turns out, it turns out there's also the valley.

• 1:04:51Tim Ferriss?

  What do you think, uh, and, uh, and I won't keep you too much longer, but, uh, and we're definitely going to talk about the podcast, but what has helped you to have longevity in comedy? Because not, not, it seems like you have some longevity. Yeah.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  I think it's producing, um, a lot of, uh, specials. I think bringing out the specials constantly sort of keep you going. The specials never, I never like do a special and then it's like, wow, you're more popular now or anything like that. But it just keeps your fan base going. And I think you gotta, you gotta give, you gotta give a product, you know, you, you've got to keep touring. You gotta, you know, if you, if you, you keep your eye off the ball, then. I'm not a big believer in that I'm in competition with anybody else. I just think if I just keep on producing good quality stuff, I'll, I'll always have a, a fan base, whether it be small or large or whatever, there'll be somebody somewhere that wants to

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  pay to watch me tell jokes, you know? So, but a- as I said, if, if it all ends tomorrow and I, I, I, I just become like an old fella who sits around going, showing my kid pictures like, ah, one time I played the tennis arena in Melbourne. You know what I mean? Like, I, I, I think I'm all right with that too. I, I don't know. I don't, I don't know what the secret to being a successful comic is. I, I really couldn't tell you. If I could tell you, I'd go manage comedians and stop doing it myself.

• 1:06:19Tim Ferriss?

  When you think back to the filling in of the customs form with stand up comedian and the high that that gave you when you first did it, not that it would be the same magnitude of high, it could be, but like, what, what gives you that type of high now or in the last handful of years, or what are you hoping to do that would give you that type of, that type of hit?

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  I think if I was in a dramatic movie, that would be something, that's something that right now I can't foresee ever happening. So that would be one thing that would surprise me if that happened. Cause I've, there's, that's not on the horizon. No one's ever asked or, or asked if I'm interested or anything like that. So if that happened, that would be something that would shock me if that happened. And you know, I don't, I don't suspect it will happen, but if that happened, it would shock me. But you know, it might sound corny. The, the thing I get the most joy out of is probably being a dad. I, I really like being a dad. I, I think, I think I'm more proud of, of when I do that well than when I do comedy well.

• 1:07:27Tim Ferriss?

  What, what do you, how do you know when you're being a good dad?

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  That's the thing, man. That's the thing. You don't know. You keep, you know, it's, it's, it's, I know, I know my son really loves me and that's cool. Yeah, I know that. And then you do things where just little things, you know, you teach some kids to ride a bike and you're like, yeah, I did it. Cause you know, as a parent, I, I, I don't know how to like, like my son's still having problems doing his shoelaces and I feel like I've let him down a bit there. He's getting a bit old. He's, he's getting a bit old and he should be able to do it. And I feel like, hey, I dropped the ball, I dropped the ball on that one.

• 1:08:08Tim Ferriss?

  Is he 18, 19? I mean, how's he?

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  No, he's, he's seven, he's seven.

• 1:08:12Tim Ferriss?

  Okay, all right, just checking.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  He's seven, but I, I've read that he should have been able to do it by the time he was six and he's hopeless at it. You know, he gives it a go. And then I go, but because I keep buying him fucking shoes with Velcro on them. You know what I mean? So I feel like that's lazy parenting where I've stuffed up a little bit, you know? But I think, you know, you take him on a good holiday or you, you, you, you work hard and you get them into a good school and you do all those type of things. And I feel like, all right, cause otherwise what's all this for? If you're not gonna give the next generation a better life than you had.

• 1:08:48Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. Yeah, thinking about kids for the first time really for me in the last 18 months or so. So it's um, I have a newfound interest in talking to people who are parents. But I don't want to belabor that. I don't want to turn this into a therapy session too quickly. So let's talk about the the new podcast. I don't know about that. Why? Why this show? Why?

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  Well, well, I think, and no offense to you, I think there's enough shows where people are interviewing people. You know what I mean?

• 1:09:20Tim Ferriss?

  I agree, I agree, I agree, I agree with that.

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And so, so, and I, you know, you talk about what there definitely is, there's far too many comedians interviewing comedians. Like, it seems like a very weird thing now that we all go on each other's podcasts and we talk about how we get started, how to write a joke and all that type of stuff. And then I just sort of, I thought like, like, there was like, how do things work or the more you know? And all those type of podcasts where they talk about stuff, those are the ones that I sort of was interested in where I was like, I started listening to less comedy podcasts and more podcasts where I could learn something. And then those, those crime ones, everyone likes those so much because they, they have something they learn about.

• 1:10:04Speaker 03

  Now, this also goes back to my father is a very difficult man to argue with. Because if you prove him wrong, and like, he'll say, oh, this happened, that happened, and you're bloody this and that, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you go, well, Dad, that's not actually true, you know, like, because in 1948, the government did blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You say that, and you give him facts, and then my father just goes, well, I don't know about that. And that's, that's not conceding, that's just going, oh, maybe you're right, I doubt it. You know what I mean? So. I thought, well, what the podcast is, is what will happen is each podcast will have a specialist on, somebody who knows a lot about a subject, whether they've written a

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  book, or they've done a TED Talk on it, or whatever the fuck. And they'll come on, and I won't know who they are or what they do. And then they have to say their, their, uh, topic of expertise. And then I will say everything that I think I know about that thing, right? Cause you remember before the internet, when you had a guy in a bar, who you used to think was the smartest person ever. And then the internet came out and you could just Google things and it turned out he was completely full of shit. Right?

• 1:11:19Tim Ferriss?

  Right.

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  I'm gonna be that guy, right? And then at the end, the guy, the person, the specialist will tell me, uh, what I got right, what I got wrong, um, what misinformation I had, uh, what is a common, uh, bit of misinformation on the thing. And then we'll all learn together about these specialist topics and we'll keep it funny and we'll keep it light. And then at the end of the thing, you'll know about a topic.

• 1:11:46Tim Ferriss?

  I love it. What are some of the topics on the, on the slate?

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  Um, we've, well, see, I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:11:53Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, that's right. That's right. So what have you recorded so far? Just to, if you can give people a sort of a preview, or maybe you don't want to. I'm, I'm moving you either way.

• 1:12:00Speaker 03

  I, I can, I think I can. Can we name a couple, Alex? Yeah. We did, uh, we did the war on drugs and we've done earthquakes. We've done like four or five of these, but that's a couple. We did earthquakes and the war on drugs.

• 1:12:11Tim Ferriss?

  I think.

• 1:12:12Speaker 03

  And now, and now I know shitloads about earthquakes and the war on drugs. I know a lot of stuff now. But before I, I didn't know much.

• 1:12:23Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, I love the format. I mean, I, I do, I do agree with you. I think there's a overabundance of interview style formats and who knows, I may end up looking at the photos, reminiscing on the old days and I'd be okay with that too, uh, at some point, if that, if I, if I.

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  You're one of the bigger ones, Tim, I think you'll be just fine.

• 1:12:42Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I think it'll be fine, but you know, there, there might be a time to take old Yeller behind the shed and she put him, put him to rest. Uh, but, uh, well, I, I.

• 1:12:53Tim Ferriss?

  Love your comedy. I think you're a smart guy. It's very, very thought provoking, as I mentioned at the very beginning. The new podcast is I Don't Know About That, which is debuting Tuesday, May 5th. And I'm sure people can find more about it on jimjeffries.com. You can be found on Twitter, Instagram, at Jim Jefferies. Is there anything else you'd like to share or anywhere else that people can?

• 1:13:16Speaker 03

  No, man, no, no, just subscribe to the new podcast. I have, all my gigs are cancelled. I have no shows to promote, but hopefully after this quarantine's all over, I'll be coming to a city near you. Thanks for having me, Tim.

• 1:13:31Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, my pleasure. And I will, for everybody listening, link to I Don't Know About That, link to some of the, the episodes we mentioned, the Manchester head punching incident. A couple of the clips and bits, as well as TV shows, everything in the show notes as usual, at tim.blog/podcast. And Jim, thank you so much for the time. I really appreciate it.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  I appreciate it, mate. Thank you. Bye bye.

• 1:13:55Tim Ferriss?

  And to everybody listening, until next time, thanks for tuning in.

• 1:14:00Tim Ferriss?

  Hey guys, this is Tim again. Just a few more things before you take off. Number one, this is Five Bullet Friday. Do you want to get a short email from me? Would you enjoy getting a short email from me every Friday? That provides a little morsel of fun before the weekend. And Five Bullet Friday is a very short email where I share the coolest things I've found or that I've been pondering over the week. That could include favorite new albums that I've discovered. It could include gizmos and gadgets and all sorts of weird shit that I've somehow dug up in the, the world of the esoteric, as I do. It could include favorite articles that I've read and that I've shared with my close friends, for instance. And it's very short.

• 1:14:42Tim Ferriss?

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