#426: The Random Show: Boozy Quarantine Edition!

#426: The Random Show: Boozy Quarantine Edition! | Brought to you by Magic Spoon https://magicspoon.com/pages/tim Cereal and “5-Bullet Friday https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-sponsorship" Technologist, serial entrepreneur, world-class investor, self-experimenter, and all-around wild and crazy guy Kevin Rose (@KevinRose https://www.instagram.com/kevinrose/), rejoins me for another episode of "The Random Show." In this one we explore fine (and not-so-fine) wines, dog adoption, great fiction and non-fiction reads, anniversary celebration during quarantine, exotic meats and decadent desserts, skiing accidents, and much more. Please enjoy! NOTE: This episode was recorded on April 2nd on Caffeine.tv https://www.caffeine.tv/. Thanks to everyone who joined this special live edition! 🙏 This episode is brought to you by Magic Spoon https://magicspoon.com/pages/tim Cereal! 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• 0:00Tim Ferriss?

  I can hit start recording, please don't crash.

• 0:04Tim Ferriss?

  You never know if this shit's gonna crash. It's like, I'm literally launching this software from like a Unix terminal. I kid you not. Um, alright. So, one thing before we get started, we should ask people, do our audio levels sound okay? Do you want to say testing 123 or something? Yeah, testing, testing 123.

• 0:27Tim Ferriss?

  At this altitude, I can run flat out for a half mile before my hands start shaking.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Can I ask you a personal question?

• 0:33Speaker 02

  No, we're just seeing appropriate timing.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  I'm a cybernetic organism, living tissue over metal endoskeleton.

• 0:49Tim Ferriss?

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• 1:32Tim Ferriss?

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• 2:14Tim Ferriss?

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• 2:59Tim Ferriss?

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• 3:42Tim Ferriss?

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• 4:26Tim Ferriss?

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• 5:11Tim Ferriss?

  it's always going to be free, and you can learn more at tim.blog/friday. That's tim.blog/friday. I get asked a lot how I meet guests for the podcast, some of the most amazing people I've ever interacted with, and little known fact, I've met probably 25% of them because they first subscribed to Five Bullet Friday. So you'll be in good company. It's a lot of fun. Five Bullet Friday is only available if you subscribe via email. I do not publish the content on the blog or anywhere else. Also, if I'm doing small in-person meetups, offering early access to startups, beta testing, special deals, or anything else that's very limited, I share it first with Five Bullet Friday subscribers. So, check it out, tim.blog/friday.

• 5:54Tim Ferriss?

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• 6:12Speaker 03

  Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to another episode of The Random Show. I am Kevin Rose.

• 6:19Tim Ferriss?

  I am Tim Ferriss.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Tim Ferriss is, of course, a bestselling New York Times author, inventor of the term "the China virus," and, no, I'm just kidding.

• 6:31Tim Ferriss?

  True fact, true fact. Not true fact.

• 6:33Speaker 03

  Not true fact. And we're thrilled, dude. This is awesome. This is like, what a great break from the chaos, than to hang out.

• 6:41Tim Ferriss?

  It is. Yeah, it is. And I'll give you credit for the idea of doing something live, which... I think at least for me is very stress reducing and calming amidst all this uncertainty to have an actual time where you see your friends faces. And I've not been drinking at all, so it's actually exciting to have a little bit of boozy booze. Cheers, Kevin.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  Cheers.

• 7:09Tim Ferriss?

  And everybody out there.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:11Tim Ferriss?

  Thanks for watching. And well, let's, let's perhaps start with what we're, what we're drinking here.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:21Tim Ferriss?

  What are you having?

• 7:22Speaker 03

  So our mutual friend, Will Harlan, I'm having the Mascot 2012, which is a fantastic Cabernet out of Napa Valley. Highly recommend checking out their site. Yeah, it's called the Mascot and it's one of my favorite cabs for sure.

• 7:41Tim Ferriss?

  So this is something I just pulled out and I have no idea where this came from. I didn't buy it. So it is whatever that is, I can't pronounce French particularly well. TYDY.

• 7:56Speaker 03

  Is this like someone sent this to you? If you didn't buy it?

• 8:00Tim Ferriss?

  It was, nah, I mean, almost all of my wine has been given to me. And this just got yanked out, so I decided to go white. Took a little magnesium 3 and 8 and L-lysine and a few other things to mitigate the hangover since I expect I'll probably finish this during this conversation. And we'll see, we'll see how that works. I think it could be futile to be, to be, to be continued. But what, what other context should we lay out before us?

• 8:32Speaker 03

  Well, I think that, you know, I, I know that when we, you know, you and I, well, I put together a document before the, the show, a little shared Google Doc and, you know, we have to figure out what we're going to be talking about in the show. And one of the things that I, I know we both wanted to address was just to say, you know, on a, on a downbeat before we try and make this a little bit more of an upbeat show is just to say our thoughts are with everyone out there. It's an extremely difficult time and, you know, we all have stories of, of chaos and craziness and the ups and downs and emotional roller coaster that's going on right now in, in the world. And we know that there's people that are watching this that have been laid off. There's people that are watching this that are, that might even be sick or have friends or family that are sick.

• 9:16Speaker 03

  And, you know, I know I'll let you speak for yourself, Tim, but I know that, I mean, my thoughts are with all of you. It's a really, really difficult time.

• 9:26Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I want to echo all of that. I have family members who've been laid off. I have seen that amongst a lot of my friends, friends I grew up with, and our hearts go out to everyone. And thanks for joining. And this is really, aside from the other things that we might be doing, just an attempt to offer a salve, even if just for an hour or two, to have a feeling of being connected with other folks. Brian Koppelman, who I recently, is a friend of mine, co-creator of Billions, recently had on a podcast, he does something called the Royale every morning, which is his first cup of coffee, takes a picture and he has other people post

• 10:11Tim Ferriss?

  their pictures. And it's become this real vibrant community of people who look forward to this every day. So I figured, at your recommendation, Kevin, that this would be a fun experiment, just to allow everybody to hopefully take, you know, 60 minutes without looking at your Twitter feed or the bad news. There's going to be plenty of bad news. It's still going to be there later. You don't have to look at it now. And it's been heavy. It's been really heavy. I don't know about you, Kevin, but I was texting you before we started recording, I have lost, and it's not like I had that much weight to lose, but I've lost, well, I've lost 15, probably 15 pounds in the last four weeks. I've been in quarantine

• 10:55Tim Ferriss?

  for five to six weeks, but it's, it's been from, it's been from-

• 11:00Speaker 03

  I've been, I've been eating pizza and chocolate, dude, like every night. I'm not kidding. How are you losing weight?

• 11:06Tim Ferriss?

  Well, maybe it's that, you know, the energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It just changes form. So by me losing weight, I'm just putting it on your muffin top. That, that could be. You're welcome. You'll last longer. When we get to on the, like, the road or Mad Max, you'll live for a longer time. But the point being, like, I've been, even when I'm not consciously aware of it, quite under duress and have been having anxiety dreams and nightmares for the first time in God knows how long. I've never really had nightmares consistently and have had-

• 11:43Tim Ferriss?

  I've had trouble remembering to eat. I mean, that sounds crazy and I know some people might want to have that, but it's been a strange period. It's been a really strange period for me and for a lot of people.

• 11:55Speaker 03

  I gotta say, Tim, that you were the first person that was warning me about this stuff months ago. Like when it first, when it first kind of broke out and it, and it just like, you know, it's starting to gain a little traction in China. Like you were like prepping big time dude. And I remember I was giving you shit. I was like, I don't know, man. Some will come around, it'll get hotter. This will kind of like die down and you were hardcore prepping and

• 12:24Speaker 03

  you know, props to you for calling it early and, and what are you doing? Where are you? Are you in a bunker somewhere? Like what's, what's going on in Tim's life?

• 12:33Speaker 03

  You literally like, what is the screen behind you? Like what the hell's going on?

• 12:37Tim Ferriss?

  The decor is a bit intense. I'm using my Scorsese cinematography to make this look really dramatic. I'm in a guest bedroom because I wanted to be hard connected. The internet is being hammered by everyone being home. So I have a-

• 12:52Speaker 03

  Tiger King.

• 12:53Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, everyone. Yeah, exactly. Pornhub premium. So everyone's killing bandwidth. And I have an ethernet cable connected and it's just easiest to set up in the guest-

• 13:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I know you have an ethernet connected cable because you called my ass up so I could walk you through setting your motherfucking ethernet up.

• 13:10Tim Ferriss?

  I know. Thank you. Thank you, Tex, for it.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I gotta send you a PayPal invoice for that, dude.

• 13:18Tim Ferriss?

  And I'm in Austin, Texas. I am, I'm quite happy to be here right now. My parents are in New York. That worries me. Of course, they're older. They're not in the best of health. But there's only so much one can do.

• 13:35Speaker 03

  So I, I want to poke a little bit into it and if I go too far, you let me know, but like, you know, your, your dad has been one to want to venture out and go out and think, and think this is not a big deal. You know, you and I have talked about this privately. Have you convinced him otherwise? Like have you convinced him to stay home and avoid?

• 13:53Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, he, he, he turned the corner and I think this is, this has been a common experience for a lot of folks our age or even younger to-

• 14:05Tim Ferriss?

  Understandably have parents who have been through many so-called crises who have been resistant to completely stop all of what they're doing, which I think is a very understandable position. And then you add in the political polarity and I don't, this is kind of the, I don't want to go to

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Mine are.

• 14:27Tim Ferriss?

  No, we'll go to greener pastures in a minute, but the, the point is that he, to his credit, when I was able to separate the politics from the science and talk about the science, he listened to it and he took it seriously. So I'm, I'm perhaps more fortunate than some in that both my parents are taking this very seriously, which is great.

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. I've got a, it's tough because um, my mom's going to be 80 this year and she's, um, she's living still by herself, but assisted in that she has to have someone come by and like, um, help her with, with meal preparation and, and things like that. Um, you know, she's, uh, she needs care. Like she can't live on her own anymore, just totally solo and independently. But she's doing well. Um, and it's tough because like, you know, I was talking to my sister today and this new stat coming out saying that, you know, 20 to 25% of people are asymptomatic and they have no symptoms at all. And I'm like, my mom's like, hey, you know, like, when are you going to see me? And I, of course I have video with her and stuff like that, but, um,

• 15:33Speaker 03

  you know, I'm like, okay, well, mom, tomorrow, if the weather is okay, meaning it's not raining in Portland, I'll come over with a mask on and sit six feet away from you and we can have a chat and you know, and that will be the way that I interact with my mom. And it's, it's like, it's in a way, it's heartbreaking because I have two young kids and they don't get to see grandma and they haven't for weeks now. And, uh, you know, so it's like, it's stressful for everybody out there, man. It's like, it doesn't matter who you are, you know, it's like, everybody's got something that's, that's weighing on them.

• 16:04Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 03

  But then you're you're locked in the close quarters with your girlfriend and I'm locked in close quarters with my wife and not to say that's that's a bad thing, but it's, you know, it's unusual to have that much like straight up one on one time, right? How's how's that going?

• 16:20Tim Ferriss?

  It's going well. I think it's I think it's like, uh, for those people who haven't been to Burning Man, what they say about couples going to Burning Man is it's double or nothing, right? Because you're going to be with each other 24/7. You're going to have all of these additional stresses. And I think we're seeing that now. And we've developed a routine. Part of the benefit, if you want to call it that, of having been in quarantine for almost six weeks now, and I have some pre-existing lung issues, so I've been extra careful, but is that we've we've adopted certain routines and had these emergent habits and rituals

• 17:01Tim Ferriss?

  that have become really nice, actually, some of them. But certainly, there's more pressure in the container. So whatever cracks you may have, and everybody has their cracks, are going to be a lot more obvious.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:16Tim Ferriss?

  And, uh, you know, I was talking to a friend of mine who was saying it's it's like a magnifying glass that shows you your psychological Achilles heel. So I'm trying to view that as an opportunity, right? As a real opportunity where if you're at home, if you're in quarantine, putting aside financial considerations, which I know are very real for a lot of people, but many people who are watching this are going to be safe at home. So you're basically in a sort of a padded room, like a Chuck E. Cheese ball pit, where you get to see these things that are

• 18:00Tim Ferriss?

  Weaknesses slash unresolved issues slash opportunities that you can start to work on and then will translate to other areas later in your life. And one of the, one of the bullets that we had to discuss, which we could certainly talk about, I'll keep drinking, which will, which will give me some liquid personality and higher confidence, which is dangerous. But one of the bullets that you'd shot over, any good books worth reading now? So I'd be, I'd be curious to start there because I have some thoughts. Actually, I'll, I'll just throw one out there.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:36Tim Ferriss?

  Which, which is called Already Free. And it's by, I believe Bruce Tifft, T I F T. And I, I highlight, I've, I've highlighted so much of this book. It's hard to believe. It's closely related to, and I might've mentioned this book to you already, Kevin. I, I think the surrender experiment or the Michael Singer courses that you've spoken about before.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  I love Michael Singer's stuff, yeah.

• 19:08Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, it's, but this book Already Free has been quite impactful for me and puts, puts a lot in perspective. So that's one book that I've been thinking more about also.

• 19:23Tim Ferriss?

  As I sit at home and cannot escape myself. It's like, there are only so many things you can do to distract and busy yourself within the square footage of your house. But what other, what other books, this is after you're related to the psychological stuff. What other books do you think are perhaps helpful to read? Or what, and what are you, and what are you reading?

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Well, I think there's, there's two that come to mind. One is, is definitely that a lot of people have had that are fortunate enough, not everyone is, is in this position, but that are fortunate enough to transition to online work. Are, you know, having to deal with a whole new set of tools and a whole new way of working. So Jason Freed, who I've had on my podcast, have you had him on your podcast? Have you had Freed on yet? I have, yeah, about a year and a half, two years ago. Very smart guy. I mean, just brilliant. He was way ahead of his time in writing the book Remote, and he has a couple other books about remote and distributed culture that are fantastic. Definitely check out the book Remote from him. If you have a small business and you're looking

• 20:32Speaker 03

  to transition to more remote, or you yourself are going through this, it's a great one to recommend to your boss or to read yourself. That one is definitely at the top of my list for people. We have 300 entrepreneurs that are founders at True Ventures, and so that's definitely one that I'm recommending to a lot of them. Boglehead's Guide to Investing, I think, is another great one. And I know it's tough to talk about investing in times like this, but if you look back historically, you know, the best time to place bets, and that can be literally, you know, tens of dollars, because there's such beautiful things now that exist, such as fractional share ownership, like apps like Square Cash and

• 21:16Speaker 03

  Robinhood and others allow you to buy just a fraction of a share. If you can't afford, say, you know, a $300 share of, you know, pick any major big company out there. So, Bogle, John Bogle, who's since passed away as the founder of Vanguard, and he was a big fan of index investing, and so is actually Warren Buffett. And so index investing is not picking individual stocks, but buying a market, like say, like the S and P 500, or, you know, an index of the bond market. And it really has been proven as to be is one of the best, most reliable ways to invest and outperforms, you know, hedge funds long

• 21:58Speaker 03

  term. It's like John Bogle, the, you know, the person that, the creator of Vanguard, was really the pioneer in coming up with this concept and creating the mutual fund, index fund, mutual funds back way back in the day. Anyway, that guide, Boglehead's, his name, his last name is Bogle, and his fans are called Bogleheads. So it's a B-O-G-L-E Heads Guide to Investing. I think it's a fantastic book, and will introduce you to the concept of index investing, which is really tried and true and the best way to go. And, you know, it's definitely something that was, I read probably a decade ago and continue to reread every few years.

• 22:41Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, Joel Greenblatt's books are also quite good. I think it's like the little blue book of investing, little green book, Joel Greenblatt. And I think he once said to me, I don't think I'm talking out of school by saying this, but that you should effectively read his books in the opposite order they were published. So read from the most recent to the oldest. The oldest talks a lot about event based investing, which is very, very interesting. Exactly. Somebody, I Segal, How to Be a Stock Market Genius, terrible title on some level, kind of like The Four Hour Work Week. Excellent, excellent, excellent book. And I second Bogle as a recommendation. You know what I've been paying

• 23:25Tim Ferriss?

  a lot of attention to, Kevin, because it's like in bear markets, bull markets, domestic, international, what has outperformed almost every other asset class? Can you guess?

• 23:36Speaker 03

  Don't say real estate. I hope you're saying.

• 23:38Tim Ferriss?

  Porn ETFs.

• 23:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's all you. You're big into that and the marijuana stocks.

• 23:46Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I'm 50/50 porn and marijuana.

• 23:49Speaker 03

  Tim's portfolio right there. You should post that online.

• 23:52Tim Ferriss?

  Rule number one of investing, never underestimate human vice. That's not true. That's a lie. So.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  What were you gonna say? What was it?

• 24:02Tim Ferriss?

  No, that was it. It was just a layup for a setup for a joke. Setup for a joke. I will, I will say though, on the investing front, that no matter what, everyone who is listening to this or watching this right now, I think should think of themselves as investors because you have resources, you have, say, time, you have energy, you have hours, you have capital, and you choose how to allocate those resources. If you have to choose, and you do, and not choosing is also a decision, you are an investor, and you're looking for a.

• 24:47Tim Ferriss?

  A result or a return on investment from allocating those different resources. You can really think like an investor, even if you don't have much disposable income at the moment, or no income, you can still think of yourself as an investor and hone the thinking, the types of thinking and the process of good investors. And that's where these books, I think, are very interesting. I read a lot of these books, books by Bogle, books by Joel Greenblatt. I read his books when I had absolutely fuck all. I had nothing, nothing. And it's been like a slow simmer with that in the background for a long time.

• 25:30Tim Ferriss?

  And now, very fortunately, you and I are in positions where we can utilize it, but we prepared, in a sense, beforehand, right? I mean, I was reading books on investing when I had not a penny to my name. And this is, I think, a good time to, even if you don't have money to invest, to read about investing and to paper trade, right? And there are probably apps that allow you to do this very easily, but to effectively say, all right, let's pretend that I have $1,000 right now, or $10,000, where would I put that money? And you make a record of where you've committed hypothetically to put that money.

• 26:13Tim Ferriss?

  And then you look at the performance over time, and you can look at why you were, or if you were right, if you were wrong, to what degree you were right or wrong, and why you think you were right or wrong. Bitcoin, you're more of a crypto expert than I am. I'm not, I know very little of crypto. But I do think it's important to emphasize that the way you end up being a good investor. From my perspective is by thinking a lot about the types of decision making that makes a good investor before you actually start allocating money to things.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:52Tim Ferriss?

  Does that make sense?

• 26:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I really like what you said around like thinking about how to invest your your own time during times like this as well. I have two examples of that. One, I know someone that is working part-time, still has a little bit of income, but doesn't have the other portion of their income and is now going to take online classes for, as far as they can go, to become a nurse. And he is, said, this is the perfect time to do that. And I know someone else that's laid off and that was like, hey, where's the best coding school that I can learn how to code? And it was like, now's the time. Like, I'm going to be collecting unemployment for the next few months. There's not going to be any crazy, great job opportunities, but I want to learn how to code. And I can, I know that that can be done in six months' time, right?

• 27:39Speaker 03

  So, you know, it's like, that's, now's a great time to invest in, in yourself, in some sense.

• 27:46Tim Ferriss?

  Do you want to talk about, I know you put this in your newsletter recently, maybe today? Treehouse, other options? Where should people go?

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, there's, there's a ton of options out there. I hesitate.

• 27:57Tim Ferriss?

  Lambda School?

• 28:00Speaker 03

  There's.

• 28:00Tim Ferriss?

  I'm reading comments. People are like, Tim Ferriss is multitasking. I'm reading your goddamn comments.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  No, it's, it's great, actually. If people want to post them in the comments, you have Free Code Camp, there's a ton. I hesitate to recommend Treehouse because I'm an investor there. It is a high-quality product, but there's a lot of free ones out there.

• 28:19Tim Ferriss?

  Evan talking his book, he's talking his book. Don't listen to that guy.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? It's like, we get in trouble anytime we say anything like that. So, but the Code, Code Academy is another great one. There's a lot of them. Here's what I would say, this is the real talk. Go out there, sign up for three of them and figure out which ones you like. Like, take a couple of classes on each one and be like, mm, this instructor is talking to me more than, or speaking to me more than another one. I'm going to go with this one. And maybe it's a paid one and maybe it's a free one, who knows? But, but try a few.

• 28:48Tim Ferriss?

  YouTube is also, honestly, just incredible. I've, I know a number of people who've gotten really up to speed on everything from virology to. Options trading on YouTube and these are, these are really smart people and they've found some of the best options for free on YouTube.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  Turns out that YouTube is a popular thing.

• 29:14Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I've heard of it. I've heard of it.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  I've heard of that YouTube.

• 29:18Tim Ferriss?

  A little late to the, late to the party, but.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  I love the comments like, yes, Tim, thank you. YouTube. Yes. Love YouTube. Everybody loves YouTube. Tim, good, good rec.

• 29:26Tim Ferriss?

  Yep. Yep. You're welcome. I, I am the bleeding edge, the bleeding edge of new technology. Uh, good Lord. What else, uh, what, what else would you find helpful to read right now, Kevin?

• 29:41Speaker 03

  Uh, honestly, man.

• 29:42Tim Ferriss?

  What, what, what are you reading? What are you?

• 29:44Speaker 03

  I'm not reading. I'm not reading. Um, what I'm doing right now is, uh, listening to podcasts about the coronavirus. Like I think that Peter Attia has converted his podcast, The Drive, into a fantastic resource for the latest research on coronavirus. What we should be doing, what happens if you come down with it, what, what, you know, I mean, we all have our little, actually this, uh, I don't know if you're comfortable sharing like your medical. Like what would you do if you, did we talk about that or no? Do people want to hear that? Like.

• 30:14Tim Ferriss?

  What would I do if what?

• 30:15Speaker 03

  If you came down with it, like what would you?

• 30:17Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  I was hard because it's medical advice, right?

• 30:20Tim Ferriss?

  Dangerous, dangerous territory. Yeah. I think, I think just by, I think if we were to give both, and we're not giving investment advice. We're not registered investment advisors, but I think if we wanted to make this the perfect Venn diagram of, of unnecessary liability that we could talk about medical. But I think it'd be, I think it'd be irresponsible. I will say this, that I am optimistic. I'm bullish about therapeutics for coronavirus. In other words, treatments that will not necessarily cure, uh, so to speak, but mitigate the severity of COVID-19. I, I'm less optimistic about vaccine development.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  Well, at least in the short term, obviously. Right. There's, there's nothing that can happen.

• 31:05Tim Ferriss?

  Short, short term, meaning 12 to 18 months.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. 12 months would be a miracle.

• 31:11Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, be a world record.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:12Tim Ferriss?

  And it could be. I mean, who knows, right? I mean, the US, the US, if we're talking about the US, and this is really a global issue, but the US is going to be the largest hotspot in the world.

• 31:24Speaker 03

  Oh, dude, it already is.

• 31:27Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, no, I'm just saying like, it's going to be, we were looking at maps before we started recording.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:33Tim Ferriss?

  And you're like, this is gonna look like the Verizon.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  It does. It looks like the Verizon availability chart, like the US map does. It's ridiculous.

• 31:42Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I mean, we're gonna be all red. So.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Why do you think that is?

• 31:51Speaker 03

  I have my, I have my suspicions, but I'm curious why you think that is. And we don't have to, let's not talk about Trump. Don't blame the, the, like.

• 31:57Tim Ferriss?

  No, no, no, no, no. I don't think it has anything to do, I mean, it has, I think it has actually very little to do with Trump. The, it's, it's, uh, we're not gonna be all red. I take it back. We're gonna be red based on how the maps are represented because they make the red circles large based on the number of cases in a given location. Therefore, when you zoom out and you look at a map of the United States, even New York kind of swallows the entire Northeast. So there's, there's, uh, there's a challenge, kind of Edward Tufti style in visual representation for that map. But we will be, based on how we're currently representing that data, entirely

• 32:38Tim Ferriss?

  red based on a distribution across, say, in the short term Miami, New Orleans, et cetera. But if you look at the, if you look at the kinetics of the disease in, say, Washington compared to New York is very, very different based on.

• 32:57Speaker 03

  In what sense?

• 32:58Tim Ferriss?

  Many factors. Well, if you look at the, if you look at the R naught, right? If you look at the replication of the virus, it's very different based on population density and the dynamics.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course. I mean.

• 33:12Tim Ferriss?

  And that's why I wouldn't expect, for instance, like, I'm not, I wouldn't expect South Dakota to be a huge hotspot.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Right, right. I get that. Idaho's not gonna be massive. Right? Yeah.

• 33:21Tim Ferriss?

  So, so there will be in some, in some respects, fire breaks between places that could be hotspots. And, you know, my, my expectation a few weeks ago was that because the US is loath to impose any strict type of geographic lockdown, that from New York, the places that would explode would be where all the second homes are from people who are escaping New York. In other words, Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard, Connecticut, upstate New York, Long Island and Florida.

• 33:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:54Tim Ferriss?

  And then you have event-based jumps in cases such as spring break based in Florida, plus then in the returning students, say to Texas, forty-four cases, I believe, yesterday. And then you have Mardi Gras, New Orleans. So I'm extremely happy that South by didn't happen in Austin.

• 34:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, thanks for helping push that. That was huge.

• 34:20Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, my pleasure. It's, I shouldn't like a lot of shit for it at the time, but I felt, I felt pretty confident in the data. But, but we're talking a lot about COVID, probably, I don't know if we want to keep doing it, but the, the, the point I was gonna make is therapeutics optimistic, vaccine pessimistic, but I really feel like,

• 34:45Tim Ferriss?

  well, I should say, I'm more optimistic now than I was four weeks ago about how the US can recover reasonably quickly. And, and recover is not the right word. What I mean is implement

• 35:01Tim Ferriss?

  a phased approach to reintroducing people to jobs and economic activity.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  So here's my three-step plan, if you will.

• 35:11Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, Kevin's three-step plan.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  Well, number one, we need to be testing anyone and everyone. My, so I have a nanny that helps with our two kids. She got extremely sick, had chest issues where she couldn't breathe, fever, the whole gamut, like everything that you would check is a box of like, okay, you have it, right? She's been home now for a week and a half. She went to the emergency room two days ago in Portland, Oregon. And they would not test her because she didn't walk in with a fever. She didn't have an active fever. We have to be insanely aggressive about testing. That's one. Number two, people that have recovered, we need antibody tests and they need to say, I've been recovered and can return to work. We need to know who those people are

• 35:56Speaker 03

  and give them the green light to go back and help start things up again. Right? Like, I think that's insanely important. And we also, like, one of the things that we need to be good is like, really, and this is gonna be more important six, eight months from now, is really when we do see a flare up, like, do that contact tracing and really telling people to lock down because it's not just gonna go away. Like, it's gonna keep, we're gonna have flare up after flare up after flare up. We have to make sure that we're really aggressive about contact tracing and making sure that people stay home if they've been in contact with someone that's infected.

• 36:32Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. Yeah, I've been on text and the phone quite a bit today with two different groups who are developing digital contact tracing

• 36:43Tim Ferriss?

  technologies. And there are already a number of apps that have been developed, for instance, in Singapore, that work very well. And Singapore is kind of like New Zealand in the sense that it's pretty small, self-contained.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:01Tim Ferriss?

  And it makes for a good laboratory. So I am optimistic that if there are phased steps put in place with enforcement, that is in all caps with enforcement and penalties for those who do not comply.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Did you see them beating people with sticks in India to stay inside? That was crazy. We could never do that in the United States. Like, there were literally like dudes on scooters, like, hitting people with rods to stay inside.

• 37:32Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. Yeah, as much as I would like to do that, there are criminal penalties. And Nepal, similar story.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  There's something to be said about that, though, man. Like, they get people to stay in, you know, like, and it wasn't like they were like beating them more like they're breaking bones. Like, it's like just like a like a bad spanking. It's weird, but.

• 37:52Tim Ferriss?

  I mean, a really bad spanking. These are like bo-staffs. But the, the, you know, the X factor for me is a non-compliant population in the United States. And a, a, by design, and by like cultural evolution, a defiant disobedient population. And

• 38:16Tim Ferriss?

  we shall see how a politically divided country is able to implement or not implement strict.

• 38:30Tim Ferriss?

  Basically, I mean, the less strict we are in the next month or two, the longer this is gonna last.

• 38:37Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 38:38Tim Ferriss?

  Right? And

• 38:43Tim Ferriss?

  you have a lot of perverse incentives involved with, say, folks who are hoping for reelection. And if it's a short-term reelection, they're willing to make compromises for public health in order to at least appear as though they're attempting to reinvigorate the economy to serve their political interests, which is disgusting, but totally understandable. And really, I think a lot of it has to come, and I don't know if it can illegally, at least at this point, from the federal level. There have to be really, really strict penalties for violation of.

• 39:25Tim Ferriss?

  Uh, breaking say home quarantine or isolation rules in Korea. It escalated from like four to eight thousand dollars US and the equivalent in one. In, uh, where was it someplace? I can't recall, uh, maybe the Philippine, maybe the Philippines. Actually, I could pull it up here. Let me tell you, said that those who violate the lockdown orders could be shot. Uh, that is.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  That's a little hardcore for us, Tim, here in the States.

• 39:54Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, Philippines Philippines president says violators of lockdown measures could be shot. Not saying that, I'm not saying, yeah, China, China, Shenzhen also banned cat and dog meat consumption. That's a separate story. The, uh.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  Chat says, uh, Spain fines up to thirty thousand dollars. I don't know if that's.

• 40:11Tim Ferriss?

  Exactly. So.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  Dollars or not, but.

• 40:13Tim Ferriss?

  I, I do think that without punishment slash rewards, uh, that a lot of this is wishful thinking.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  UK is thirty pounds, as somebody said.

• 40:25Tim Ferriss?

  Thirty, yeah, thirty pounds. It's like, it's a fucking joke. I mean, come on. So.

• 40:30Speaker 03

  What do you do on the food front? Do you have, uh, like a freezer full of shit or what are you doing?

• 40:35Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm fully.

• 40:37Speaker 03

  Like bison and shit. You have like crazy meats.

• 40:40Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I have Axis deer. I've got venison.

• 40:42Speaker 03

  I knew it. I knew that.

• 40:44Tim Ferriss?

  I have, I have hundreds of pounds of, of meat and.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Holy crap.

• 40:49Tim Ferriss?

  Everything I could possibly need. So.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, people are saying that's Joe Rogan styles with the people sending comments.

• 40:55Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, Rogan's Rogan's got his elk. Uh, I have my, I've got my Axis deer and.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  People are asking what type of wine glasses this is. It's called Zalto. Z A L T O.

• 41:06Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, you got the fancy shit. Yeah, I've got like whatever these Costco, um, bumbling idiot, uncoordinated person wine glasses are without the stem. That's my, that's my jam.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  Those are, those are easy, easy cleaning. You just throw those in the dishwasher.

• 41:22Tim Ferriss?

  Uh, let's see. Let me, let me look at some questions. Tim, do you live in a high rise or a house? I live in a house.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Tim, please chug your wine, said, uh, Ikari123.

• 41:33Tim Ferriss?

  Uh, I'm not gonna chug my wine. No, thank you. I'm no longer, I'm no longer 18. Uh, is now an ideal time to adopt a dog. I would actually like to speak to this for a second. A lot of people are adopting dogs just as an excuse to be able to get outside. Uh, that's actually something that's been seen in New York City, for instance, where lots of people are adopting dogs who I am not convinced have a long-term intention of keeping said dogs. That fucking bothers me. Having grown up on Long Island where city people, no offense to Manhattanites, would come out, adopt a dog for the summer just to keep their kids occupied and then put their dog back in the pound at the end of the summer. And that, in my opinion, is fucked. I think you are morally corrupt if you do such things. So, is it the ideal time to adopt a dog?

• 42:18Tim Ferriss?

  If you're going to keep that dog and you're going to make your life fit around the dog, not the other way around, then I would say consider it.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, when you return to work-

• 42:28Tim Ferriss?

  Don't be a selfish prick.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  When, when you return to work, if you're, if you're like leaving your dog at home for extended periods of time, that's, that's not cool. They need interaction and love and attention, all that good stuff.

• 42:40Tim Ferriss?

  Question for you, Kevin. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this. So, investing question, Betterment slash Wealthfront versus investing straight in Vanguard?

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that's hard. I, well, I'm an investor in, in Wealthfront, so, and I put that out in my newsletter today. I've mentioned that.

• 42:54Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, me too, me too.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  You're an investor as well, yeah. So, you know, I think honestly though, I have used Betterment. I think it's a great product. I think Wealthfront's great too. I like the risk parity part that, uh, Wealthfront offers. Um, and I've used Vanguard as well, just like straight up Vanguard to buy stuff and it's fine. So, I would say, um, research them all and do whatever you're comfortable with.

• 43:16Tim Ferriss?

  That is the most lawyer response-

• 43:18Speaker 03

  Well dude, I don't wanna like, it's like self-serving to say, go use Wealthfront. I love them. That's why I invested. I think it's a great product.

• 43:24Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I know, but what do you like about them?

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Well, it's the risk parity. They have this, this special thing.

• 43:29Tim Ferriss?

  What does that mean?

• 43:29Speaker 03

  Well, it's, it's a fancy thing that like really expensive hedge funds use to get better returns and they offer it to their clients, which is normally not something you would get at a, unless you had a lot of money to invest. And I love that they're taking that and dropping that down and making it more accessible to, to most people. So that's, um, they do a lot of the, um, harvesting, tax lost harvesting, which I think, and so does Betterment, which is great. It's just, these robo advisors are so much smarter than your traditional, like, um, classic advisor you call on the phone, it's going to, you know, make changes for you once a year or twice a year. They, they're optimizing, using algorithms for taxes and a whole slew of different things. So forget the fact that

• 44:13Speaker 03

  we're saying we both invested in Wealthfront. Like, a robo advisor in general is going to be a better performing advisor for you than the most individual advisors that are out there.

• 44:26Tim Ferriss?

  Couple of questions. Mulligan 26, coping advice with single room quarantine for two weeks?

• 44:31Speaker 03

  Single room? Oh my God.

• 44:33Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I would say exercise, number one.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  Wine, for sure, wine. It's on, it's on the list.

• 44:40Tim Ferriss?

  And, and that then leads to Graham Berry. Tim, what's your favorite body weight workout routine? Uh, gymnastic body or gymnastic bodies? That's, uh, Coach Summer, Christopher Summer, S O M M E R. His program is just fantastic. I highly recommend.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's talk about working, working out for a sec, because I think that's a good one. A lot of people are turning towards that. Um, I will say two things. One, I'm not an investor in this company, so I can say this freely. Uh, FitBod, I've been using lately. Uh, if you have free weights at home or you're just doing body weight workouts, they have a great app. I, I know it's on iOS. I don't know if it's on Android. I think it is. It's called FitBOD. Um, I've been using that for my free weights that I have at, here at the house. Uh, Peloton is my main form of cardiovascular exercise and they also have other classes and they're actually giving away 90 days of their app as well, which is a whole slew of.

• 45:33Tim Ferriss?

  Disclosure.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  What? I own, I, I own Peloton stock and so do you. Do you?

• 45:40Tim Ferriss?

  No, I don't. I, but I'm looking at it very closely, but I do not yet.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  They have, they have actually sponsored your podcast, which you didn't mention, which I'm a little offended by.

• 45:51Tim Ferriss?

  That's true. Peloton has sponsored my podcast. I have one upstairs. I do love, love me my Peloton.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  I, I got you into that.

• 45:59Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, you did. You did. You totally did. You and Mark Benioff got me into Peloton.

• 46:03Speaker 03

  I love how, um, the Peloton story about, I, I, I, so Tim was like, I'm not going to tell you my Peloton account. Cause I wanted to race you, right? Cause you can do these racing things. And you're like, you're like, I'm not giving you my username, blah, blah. And I emailed your assistant and I was like, hey, what's uh, I just want to check on Tim's username for his Peloton account. Cause I want to like friend him up or whatever. And she sent me your login information with your password. Do you remember that? It was amazing.

• 46:29Tim Ferriss?

  I do. I was very unhappy about that.

• 46:32Speaker 03

  I, I, I told you, I remember I was like, Tim, do not fire her. Do not be upset. She didn't know, but she sent me your entire Peloton login information.

• 46:40Tim Ferriss?

  Fucking like social engineering layup. Just like casual walk down the court layup.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 46:49Tim Ferriss?

  Good Lord. Uh, I'm looking at some of these.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're looking at comments coming in.

• 46:54Tim Ferriss?

  Questions. Three fiction books you would gift to each other. That's a good question. Martin Sangi. Uh, three fiction books. Well, I know Kevin can't spell, so I assume his reading level is probably sixth or seventh grade. So based on that, first of all, I would.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  I have a learning disability. So if you want to.

• 47:15Tim Ferriss?

  Stop. Don't even pull. What is your learning disability? Lazy spelling?

• 47:20Speaker 03

  No, I'm just not a good speller. I've had issues. Sometimes I get the, the, the letters swapped and I love Grammarly. Grammarly is a great product. It helps me out there. But I'm just saying, if you want to make fun of people with learning disabilities, I, I get it. Like,

• 47:34Speaker 03

  but that's, no, I'm, we'll talk though. I always have had a little bit of an issue with that. It's, it's nothing I can memorize. Like it's, it's a, it's a brain thing. Something's, something's up there.

• 47:43Tim Ferriss?

  I think you just type with your knuckles on your iPhone, but we can take this.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  So Exhalation, by the way, Exhalation.

• 47:51Tim Ferriss?

  Hundred percent agree.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Yes. Fantastic series of short fiction books that are amazing. Highly recommend. So good.

• 47:59Tim Ferriss?

  Exhalation is outrageously good. Uh, another one, if you haven't read it, I think everyone should read Dune by Frank Herbert. It's just.

• 48:12Tim Ferriss?

  One of the best world building fiction books of all.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  It's one of Daria's, my wife's favorites is like.

• 48:19Tim Ferriss?

  It's so good. If you want, if you want to basically learn, let's just say 90% of the lessons of leadership that you would get from reading a hundred of the best business books, nonfiction on leadership, just read Dune. It's so good. I love that book. So.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  I should get that on. I do a lot of Audible. Is it good on Audible or?

• 48:42Tim Ferriss?

  I'm sure it's good. It'll just take you like six years. It's a long book.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  I started Shogun, I started Shogun Audible. It's like you will complete this in four and a half years.

• 48:51Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. Shogun's also incredible.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  Super long. It's so far so good, man. It's amazing.

• 48:58Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. Shogun is, is also exceptional. I would say, what else would you recommend for fiction? I mean, I've been getting back into fiction. I think fiction is very medicinal. It has a therapeutic value during times like this. I really do. I'm reading a book called Little Big, Little, comma, Big, right now, which is a, it's a difficult read. It's the prose is so beautiful, but it requires concentration. And if you can commit to 50 pages of it, you will probably buy in, but it's, it's an effort.

• 49:39Tim Ferriss?

  It's not as easy to read as say Kurt Vonnegut or like Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut, right? It's just an incredible book. It's easy to read. He's hilarious. That's an easy fiction book to read.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  When do you, when do you dive into something like that? What, what, what gives you the space mentally? Cause like for me, if I'm doing some fiction, it's very casual. I've had a glass of wine. I'm chilling. Dari doesn't have anything else to do. I put in my, you know, AirPods and I just like, just zone out a little bit. It's just like fun, but I don't want to like be really thinking serious about something. Like when do you do that?

• 50:15Tim Ferriss?

  You know, recently, just, this is just in the last handful of days, I've been reading Little Big. Whenever I feel anxious and as though I can't stop in the sense that if I have a to do list in front of me of things I've somehow convinced myself are of great importance and I can't stop and I need to rush to lunch or whatever it might be. That to me is a signal of scarcity and faulty thinking. So today, for instance, I did this. I took two breaks and just read for 10 or 15 minutes as a way to calm my nerves.

• 51:00Tim Ferriss?

  And I've been using it that way. This book, Little Big, also is one of those books where, for instance, if you, if you read The Baron in the Trees by Italo Calvino, which is an incredible book, The Baron in the Trees, there are only a handful of characters. So you can stop reading the book for a week, pick it back up, and you're fine. Little Big is so complex and there's so many characters and there's a really difficult family tree involved that you cannot put this book down for a week. You'll be total, totally fucking lost. So you really have to read a little bit every day.

• 51:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:40Tim Ferriss?

  Right now, right now, for me, I like.

• 51:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:44Tim Ferriss?

  Like that, that there's that incentive to read a little bit.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  Like, I typically hate those types of books, like Game of Thrones. You're like, okay, they're introducing like the 42nd character and you're like, okay, who are you again?

• 51:56Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. Dave, I can't even say this, Dave Inksoncy, something like that, recommended Zorba the Greek. I think Zorba the Greek is a fantastic book. That is actually a great book to read right now because it really contrasts this type A control freak with this freewheeling epicurean Zorba. That is a great, great, great book. I would, I would suggest. Somebody just said that TJ Rivera, doing is excellent on Audible, which I would fucking hope.

• 52:30Speaker 03

  Oh, sweet.

• 52:31Tim Ferriss?

  Because it's such a cla- such a classic. Fear is the mind killer. Yes, the Bene Gesserit litany against fear.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  I've got a, I've got a question for you, Tim, that now that we're a couple of glasses deep, or I think, are you, have you drank two glasses or no?

• 52:44Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I'd say so.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  I think you're nursing that a little bit.

• 52:47Tim Ferriss?

  I'm about, yeah, three quarters of a bottle gone, so I'd say yes.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  All right. So I'm curious, like you mentioned a minute ago about, you know, when you need a break to go and, and read this book, right? Like, like the stress kind of thing. What is, what's bothering you? Cause I think most people like watching this would think you've got it all. Very successful, plenty of money, like held up, plenty, plenty of bison, like what is it? But like, really, what is it that's like, what's, what's getting under your skin? Like what's bothering you these days?

• 53:21Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, well, that presupposes that I know what it is that's bothering me.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 53:27Tim Ferriss?

  So I would say.

• 53:30Speaker 03

  Plenty of ayahuasca journeys to even things out a little bit.

• 53:34Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. I mean, we could talk about that separately. We could talk about that if you like, but ayahuasca is a big gun. I don't, I don't recommend that for everyone. I actually recommend it for a very, very small percentage of people, but the, the, this period of time and this amount of uncertainty and the heightened fear that many people are feeling, I think brings to the forefront, whatever it is that you haven't dealt with. Whatever it is you haven't processed. And I spent much of my life numbing myself

• 54:15Tim Ferriss?

  and turning off sensitivities in the last few years have entailed me turning back on many sensitivities. And I, I think fundamentally, I'm a very sensitive person and that doesn't mean that I'm easily offended. I mean, sensitive like an instrument, like a jewelry scale versus a body weight scale. And. Uh, the

• 54:43Speaker 03

  That's interesting. You mentioned that. I've noticed that about you, dude, to be honest. Like, I've known you for a while now. Quite a while.

• 54:48Tim Ferriss?

  You've known me for more than a decade.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I would say that when I first met you, you were very hardened, you know? And you softened a lot and you become in a, in a more fragile in it. And I mean that in a way of like, uh, it's actually a stronger position to be in. Um, someone that can actually talk about what's going on. And that wasn't the case 10 years ago.

• 55:15Tim Ferriss?

  Definitely was not the case 10 years ago. Yeah, I appreciate you saying that, man. I'm more.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  It's a beautiful thing. I feel like I've kind of gone through a similar transformation. So it's.

• 55:23Tim Ferriss?

  You definitely have. You definitely have. I've, I've become more porous and permeable in so much as I've taken a lot of armor off and armor is helpful in some ways in the sense that it keeps things out. It also keeps a lot trapped within. When you take the armor off, then you're exposed to more. And, uh, so perhaps 10 years ago, the weight of the world and all these deaths and all the unemployment wouldn't have affected me very much, but it's affected me a lot in the last few weeks.

• 56:05Tim Ferriss?

  And, uh, so I think there's a, a mourning period that I'm going through that has been very emotionally difficult. I'm not worried about me personally, right? Like financially, who the fuck cares? I mean, I, and I, and I say that in such a way very deliberately because if I were to try to spin some type of woe is me story, it would be so fucking absurd that I would want you, Kevin, to like slap me through the fucking internet because you and I are both very, very fortunate and we've also worked very hard and made some good decisions, but we've also had a lot of luck.

• 56:42Speaker 03

  Ton of luck.

• 56:43Tim Ferriss?

  Ton of luck. And, uh, so, so I am in, I am in a good position. I'm in a good position to help my family. But the, the stuff that is being brought up is largely things I can't identify. These are things from my past, things from my childhood, probably.

• 57:05Tim Ferriss?

  That are causing a level of anxiety in the face of uncertainty that has no basis in my current security. Does that make sense?

• 57:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:15Tim Ferriss?

  I'm not worried about my mortgage payment. I'm not worried about my food. But nonetheless, I have this high level of anxiety at times. Last few days have been quite good. I've actually felt pretty good the last few days. But there are these moments when I'll go to bed, I'm exhausted. At the end of every day, these days, I'm completely spent. And I'll go to bed and I'll lay in bed and all of a sudden I'm tired and wired. And my mind is just producing a million thoughts a second that are all kind of anxiety driven. And I don't have an explanation for it. I just don't have a clean.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  And that that itself has to drive more anxiety, right? Because you're like, why can't I figure out what it is that's bothering me, you know?

• 58:06Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, yeah, totally. So I, uh, the thing, yeah, no, please.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  I was just gonna say that, that since you're sharing all this, like, the thing that, that worries me the most is,

• 58:20Speaker 03

  one, I think it's hard because I see my sister not having the work that she used to, and so that's challenging. Um, and, and I see her struggles with her. She's a single mom and she, um, is trying to raise some, uh, teenager now at home and it's challenging, you know, working, like being a teacher at home now. And my mom, who is 80 now, so those, those things are both weighing on me. But I would say honestly, like, the thing that scares me most is not, not me getting this or not me getting sick from it, because, you know, random people our age do die from this, right? It's like, it's kind of weird like that, like, you know?

• 59:01Speaker 03

  It's like, you think you're fine and then, you know, you're 40, I'm 42 and I get hit or 43 and I get hit and I'm just like, dead, right? Like, it is happening. So I'm not scared of dying at all, actually. I'm scared of not. Seeing and being able to talk to my girls when they're gonna need it most, like through their formative years. And I think that is the thing that at my core, I just like, I love my girls so much. I wouldn't want to to miss out on that. And so that it's not the death part, it's the it's it's that part. So it's it's hard. It's like we all have these these things that are kind of like hanging over our heads, you know, it's it's difficult.

• 59:41Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. What have you found helpful?

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Oh, gosh, uh, well, half bottle wine definitely helps. I would say, no, I would say helpful is

• 59:53Tim Ferriss?

  Might have to make this a weekly thing.

• 59:55Speaker 03

  You know, honestly,

• 59:56Tim Ferriss?

  this could be our weekly therapy.

• 59:58Speaker 03

  Honestly, helpful first and foremost, without a doubt is, and this is Mr. Rogers definitely said it best. I mentioned this in my newsletter, like, anything that is human is mentionable and anything that is mentionable is manageable. And that is so true. Like, if you can just talk about it with your spouse, with your friend, with anyone that you can try and create a social connection with and just be like, this is what I'm going through. Just getting that off your chest is just like, brings you down, it doesn't get you back to where you want to be, like, perfect and happy and help, like, so stoked and, you know, but it does bring you down a couple notches. And we just have to remember to do that every few days. Just like, like,

• 1:00:38Tim Ferriss?

  Where did you get that quote?

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  That's Mr. Rogers.

• 1:00:41Tim Ferriss?

  No, I I know it's fucking Mr. Rogers, but was it from the documentary about him? Or was it from the Tom Hanks version? Was it from something else?

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  It was from the Tom Hanks version, which I loved and and I went and did then did a research to actually make sure it was from him and not just like Hollywood. And it it did come from him. So, um, the Tom Hanks movie was phenomenal. It's available for rent now. You can get on Amazon, you can get on iTunes. It is, it's a great, uh, it's a great movie. It's it's it's it's not Tiger King or the Tiger King is pretty great. Hey, we should talk about this. Let's move into what are we watching?

• 1:01:15Tim Ferriss?

  Before we get before we get Tiger King. So somebody suggested where they just mentioned how to stop worrying and start living. That's a Dale Carnegie book. That is fucking fantastic. I could not recommend it more. It has very literal title, as do many Dale Carnegie books, but how to stop worrying and start living is actually an exceptional, exceptional book. So I would suggest.

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  That's awesome. We gotta create a, well, we're saving the video for this. So I guess we can do some show notes and stuff for all the stuff we talked about and post it online.

• 1:01:50Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. So you were about to bring up what we're watching?

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. What are we watching lately? Like, what are people watching these days?

• 1:01:59Speaker 03

  In terms of like favorite, Tiger King is like my favorite thing right now. I'm on episode three.

• 1:02:04Tim Ferriss?

  Yep. So we'll get into that. Real quick, A. Buchi says, the fear of death or ego conscious, maybe underlying the anxiety, that's not accurate. I don't actually fear death, which may be from taking too many psychedelic compounds, but that's not it. It's something else. So TBD. But let's see here.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  People are saying Ozark, by the way. Is that how you say Ozark? Like, I have heard multiple people, it's on episode, or season three now. If that's right, people correct me in the chat. Is it awesome? People are saying Ozark is awesome. Ozark is incredible.

• 1:02:46Tim Ferriss?

  Tiger King was good. I found the animal treatment depressing, so I stopped after two episodes. I may continue, but that hasn't been my go-to.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  What, what have been your?

• 1:02:57Tim Ferriss?

  But, but.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  You told me your go-to.

• 1:03:00Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, but, but, but maybe I haven't passed like the point of no return with Tiger King. It is, it is so strange as to be compelling.

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:10Tim Ferriss?

  I get that.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Daria won't watch it with me. I'm watching it solo. I sit in bed with my iPad and I'm watching.

• 1:03:15Tim Ferriss?

  She will, she will not watch it with you. Why not?

• 1:03:18Speaker 03

  Uh, she missed the first episode and then she's like, I don't want to watch something dumb. And I'm like, eh, it's dumb, but it's kind of good, you know?

• 1:03:28Speaker 03

  You know Daria.

• 1:03:28Tim Ferriss?

  The, the, the three person marriage with that one young guy looking like he was fucking.

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  That was the best.

• 1:03:35Tim Ferriss?

  Mind was amazing.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  It was so good. And then she definitely fed her husband to the tigers.

• 1:03:42Tim Ferriss?

  It's, I mean, that seems to be at least the way that the.

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  It's going, yeah.

• 1:03:46Tim Ferriss?

  Wanted to show. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's pretty crazy.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  People are saying Formula One. What is Formula One?

• 1:03:55Tim Ferriss?

  Formula One.

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  I mean, I understand what it is in terms of like.

• 1:03:57Tim Ferriss?

  Peter Attia's favorite thing ever. Yeah. Racing, race cars.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  But is it a documentary that people are talking about or like?

• 1:04:04Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, I don't know. I, I assume that it's some kind of like Skype.

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  Yes, F1 on Netflix.

• 1:04:09Tim Ferriss?

  I don't get it, guys. I'm sorry. Like, I, I can appreciate how difficult it is. I can appreciate how the Mercedes team spends like 500 million a year.

• 1:04:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you.

• 1:04:20Tim Ferriss?

  Appreciate all of that, but like, I don't actually know how to discern the skill from watching these cars go around.

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  But here's, here's the interesting thing. People are saying that this is so amazing. Like everyone's saying Formula One, F1, F1. Like, if it's a documentary, like, why not watch an episode of it? That sounds like.

• 1:04:37Tim Ferriss?

  Even.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  I'm not into it either.

• 1:04:38Tim Ferriss?

  Watch the documentary Sena, S E N N A. It's fucking fantastic. It's so good. Cause it's highly recommended.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  I don't know. People aren't saying that. They're saying Formula One in the chat.

• 1:04:52Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, they don't know. There's, they, they don't know what they're talking about. If they actually follow F1, then they would agree with Sena. Peter Attia, so his favorite driver of all time is Ayrton Senna.

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:05Tim Ferriss?

  And, uh, the documentary is just fantastic. I highly, highly recommend. What else are you watching besides Tiger King?

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  I don't watch it. I don't, we don't watch TV. We don't watch, uh.

• 1:05:17Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, stop.

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  No, I'm being too serious. We don't, I, I'm, I, like, if people really want to know the real me, I will tell you the truth. I, we don't watch any TV. We watch, I love NBA. I will watch basketball. Um, if my team is doing well, which is the Green Bay Packers, I will watch some football, even though I'm kind of conflicted there because of the head injury stuff. And I would say that, uh, I watch movies. Like if there's like, I watched the new Star Wars. I thought it was great. I don't know why people hated on it. I, I didn't watch it in the theater. I just watched it when it came out, you know, rented it and thought it was amazing, but I'm not, we're not huge TV people. You watching the chat?

• 1:05:53Tim Ferriss?

  TV. Yes, I'm watching this chat. TV. What the fuck are you talking about TV? It's not like you have coaxial cables coming out into some.

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  No, I have YouTube TV. I use that as my main TV. I don't have any more.

• 1:06:06Tim Ferriss?

  Do you watch basketball and movies? That's very ungratifying. What movies do you watch?

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Dude, basketball is amazing, by the way. It's like the one of the best sports out there. And movies, I would say I watched Contagion recently, which is, have you not seen Contagion?

• 1:06:20Tim Ferriss?

  Uplifting. Yeah, right.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  Have you seen it?

• 1:06:23Tim Ferriss?

  I have seen Contagion, yes.

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's really scary. It's, it's like, no, but it's like really crazy how it's like so like a, it's kind of like what's happening right now. It's, it's, it's kind of nuts. But yeah, I mean, if there's an occasional movie that comes out that is awesome, I'll, I'll put it on.

• 1:06:40Tim Ferriss?

  I'm watching The Amazing Mrs Maisel.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  Yes, you were saying a mate, you were trying to get me to watch that like a couple of weeks ago.

• 1:06:48Tim Ferriss?

  I think it's hilarious. It's great. And that is our weekday, meaning my girlfriend and I watch this on weekdays. We differentiate between weekdays and weekends.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  You guys are so crazy. You have so many rules.

• 1:07:04Tim Ferriss?

  It's super helpful to.

• 1:07:06Speaker 03

  Tell them about how you can't talk about COVID for more than a certain number of hours.

• 1:07:11Tim Ferriss?

  Well, no, I mean, I think this is a good, a good rule, actually. So it's been difficult to enforce. But I try, and it's been encouraged very strongly to not talk about COVID after dinner hours. And we have dinner together almost every night and we light a candle. It's very romantic. We open the sliding doors so we can hear some of the, the sounds from nature. Usually this is around say six thirty, seven o'clock. Tonight is an exception because I'm getting shitfaced with Kevin on the internet with our however many thousand closest friends and.

• 1:07:54Tim Ferriss?

  So that's one guideline that we haven't been following very closely, but actually it's been better in the last few weeks. So I was so early on this that I feel like I've distributed my anxiety reasonably evenly over a long period of time, whereas.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  You were on the phone with me and you're like, I can't talk about COVID. Like I passed the hour. I passed the, I passed the time when I was supposed to be talking about it. I was like, what are you talking about, dude?

• 1:08:22Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I think it's, I think it's, I think it's very reasonable of my girlfriend to not want me to talk about fucking COVID past a certain hour. But, but we, uh, we often exercise in the morning. That's one ritual. We also then have dinner tonight or not tonight, but almost every night together.

• 1:08:46Tim Ferriss?

  Someone asked about best meal made during quarantine. Uh, we really like butternut, not butternut. I always say that spaghetti squash, which can be cleaned. It can be disinfected very easily. The rind is thick. Plus, uh, ground access deer, plus tomato sauce, garlic, oregano, and a few other things. It's fucking amazing.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  It sounds great.

• 1:09:09Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, it's so good. It's just unbelievably good. So that, that's one. Then the differentiation between weekdays and weekends, I think is actually quite important because when every day can be Groundhog Day,

• 1:09:26Tim Ferriss?

  it is psychologically a reprieve when you can delineate or provide breakpoints and sort of open chapter, close chapter on a weekly basis. So for us, that means that on the weekends, we watch movies or, uh, we watch something that is not our primary weekday series, which currently is the Amazing Mrs. Maisel. So last weekend, for instance, we binge watched some of season two of Westworld and there are a number of documentaries that we may end up watching, but we'll reserve the Amazing Mrs. Maisel for.

• 1:10:07Tim Ferriss?

  Weekdays and it's been it's been helpful. It's been it's it's just helpful in a world of uncertainty to have rules and certainty related to certain things. And I'm sure that uh, some folks will find that ridiculous. I'm sure some will find it very helpful.

• 1:10:29Speaker 03

  I think you said it.

• 1:10:29Tim Ferriss?

  We we we find it helpful.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  I think what you said around it being Groundhog Day rings true for a lot of people and that because we are all quarantined. It is like kind of the same thing, you know, over and over again. And one of the things that Daria, my wife, like said was like, I wanted, like, last night was our seven year wedding anniversary. And she's like, thank you. And she was like, I want to dress up like I want to like, I know we're sitting across from each other at home, but I want to put on something really nice. And I'm like, okay, same here. Like, I'm going to put down on like a nice button down shirt and like do it proper because like, you know, it's you kind of have to like, say, let's not just fall into the same thing every single time. And I I think a schedule could help with with things like that, you know, like to change it up a bit.

• 1:11:15Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. So what do you guys do? You got you took off your underoos, your onesie, and you got dressed up. What do you guys do for your anniversary, which is fucking crazy, by the way? I mean, it shows you how long we've known each other.

• 1:11:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:30Tim Ferriss?

  I because that doesn't seem that long ago. And I remember being at the wedding. Seven years. That's fucking nuts.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:11:41Tim Ferriss?

  That's crazy, man.

• 1:11:41Speaker 03

  It's crazy. It's it's been an amazing adventure and I've learned a lot. But I would say that, uh, yeah, I mean, we just basically had dinner, um, just kind of hung out at the house. I mean, there's not like a lot to do, you know? It's like, what are you going to do other than just like having a, we had like a nice little meal and some dessert, which we don't don't normally do and a little too much wine.

• 1:12:05Tim Ferriss?

  Dude, don't don't even start with the no dessert. I've seen you when I stayed at your place with my girlfriend not too long ago. I remember we came back from dinner.

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  You were a guest.

• 1:12:17Tim Ferriss?

  Off you were polishing off pints of ice cream.

• 1:12:20Speaker 03

  Listen, you hit that ice cream too. We shared a pint and you killed most of it. And that was good ice cream.

• 1:12:27Tim Ferriss?

  It was good. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna accept the I killed most of it. I did take the like beggars.

• 1:12:33Speaker 03

  Well, we ate some edibles.

• 1:12:36Tim Ferriss?

  That's true. We did. We also.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  And then we hit the ice cream hard.

• 1:12:39Tim Ferriss?

  Which facilitates the ice cream. That was amazing ice cream, by the way.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it's really good. They make good ice cream here in Portland, Oregon. People are saying truth comes out in the comments. It's legal, people. It's legal.

• 1:12:54Tim Ferriss?

  It's legal. It's legal.

• 1:12:58Speaker 03

  Salt and straw.

• 1:13:00Tim Ferriss?

  What is, what is Salt and Straw? Is that the ice cream company?

• 1:13:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is not the one that we had, but it is, it is one of the best in Portland for sure.

• 1:13:10Tim Ferriss?

  Has Tim's?

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, Ruby Jewels is the one we had.

• 1:13:13Tim Ferriss?

  Noah Johnson, I don't know what my position on weed was, so it's hard for me to say.

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  I mean, you were anti-weed.

• 1:13:20Tim Ferriss?

  I'm not anti-weed. I'm just kidding. A lot of weed makes me fucking paranoid, so I don't enjoy taking it.

• 1:13:27Tim Ferriss?

  All right, the Whoop Band. No.

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  I've had issues with the Whoop Band, man. I had a Whoop Band.

• 1:13:33Tim Ferriss?

  What the hell is that?

• 1:13:34Speaker 03

  It's like a Fitbit, fancy Fitbit, and I, I, I want to love it.

• 1:13:40Tim Ferriss?

  I do remember this. Yeah, I do remember that.

• 1:13:43Speaker 03

  What, the Whoop? Or the weed?

• 1:13:44Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the Whoop.

• 1:13:46Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:13:49Tim Ferriss?

  No, no weed right now. I actually do use, weed will calm you, dude. Thanks, Sifazar. I do use, uh, full spectrum CBD oil for sleep.

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  Where do you get that from?

• 1:14:03Tim Ferriss?

  I don't remember the brand.

• 1:14:04Speaker 03

  Cause I like the pure encapsulations, uh, full spectrum CBD, which is quite nice.

• 1:14:10Tim Ferriss?

  That might be what I have, actually.

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, they make a good one. It's like 10 or 20 milligrams per, per thing. It's good for.

• 1:14:18Tim Ferriss?

  Tim, do you still ride your boosted board? Absolutely not, because I, I view it as suicidal for me at the moment. It's just too fast. Like, the, the, the speed limiter on it is exceptionally high. So I, I have very little confidence in my ability to do a stop, drop and roll if I wipe out at 20 miles an hour.

• 1:14:42Tim Ferriss?

  How did I lose 15 pounds?

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:44Tim Ferriss?

  Client Giant C O M asks, uh, by forgetting to eat because I'm too fucking stressed out. I don't recommend that as a diet approach necessarily. Uh, more sleep recommendations. Having troubles. Groundhog Day. This is from N Medler. What recommendations might you have?

• 1:15:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, so sleep is definitely something I've spent a lot of time um playing around with. Yeah, I think Max has a great point here. Max Goldberg. Uh, Matt Walker's book, Why We Sleep is a phenomenal resource for this stuff. Um, that said, I've done low dose melatonin, um, and also the um magnesium is is uh the one that you recommended to him at the beginning of the show.

• 1:15:32Tim Ferriss?

  Mag teen.

• 1:15:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's uh.

• 1:15:34Tim Ferriss?

  T E I N.

• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  Daria, Daria, my wife, she takes it every night. She takes the one that's from a brand called Livon, which is a liposomal form. And uh, and she swears by it. Like she, she loves that.

• 1:15:46Tim Ferriss?

  All, all the roid monsters love Livon.

• 1:15:49Speaker 03

  Do they really? Why?

• 1:15:51Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, yeah. For liver recovery after taking their alpha alkylated oral anabolic.

• 1:15:57Speaker 03

  So what do they take for liver cover? What, what?

• 1:16:00Tim Ferriss?

  Uh, I can't remember the actual.

• 1:16:02Speaker 03

  Cause they do a vitamin.

• 1:16:03Tim Ferriss?

  Product.

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  They do a vitamin C, they do a magnesium.

• 1:16:06Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, they, they have a liver product that was.

• 1:16:08Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 1:16:09Tim Ferriss?

  Kind of put them on the map. Yep, absolutely. Uh, I also use their liposomal vitamin C.

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  I do too. That's my favorite vitamin C.

• 1:16:19Tim Ferriss?

  Tastes like horse semen, but you know.

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  I've never had horse semen, but I would imagine that uh it, it probably.

• 1:16:26Tim Ferriss?

  Similar. You, you have. Yeah, you have. No, you have.

• 1:16:29Speaker 03

  Have I at your house?

• 1:16:31Tim Ferriss?

  If you've had Livon vitamin C.

• 1:16:33Speaker 03

  Cause I know you've tried some crazy stuff at your house and Four Hour Chef had some, I think there was a recipe within there with horse semen that was.

• 1:16:41Tim Ferriss?

  You know, of all my books, I think the most appropriate right now for quarantine is The Four Hour Chef. It is, uh, I'm drunk enough to say this. It is the perfect book for quarantine. It really is.

• 1:16:54Speaker 03

  Isn't it audible?

• 1:16:56Tim Ferriss?

  No, cause it would make no fucking sense.

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  That would be amazing though. Like just hearing you being like, one tablespoon baking soda, one tablespoon cinnamon.

• 1:17:06Tim Ferriss?

  I would love that.

• 1:17:10Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, man. All right. What else do we have in the comments?

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  Let me take a look at our list of things that we wanted to cover because I have to.

• 1:17:19Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, yeah. Dive in. I'll look at the comments. You look at our list.

• 1:17:22Speaker 03

  Uh, apps we've been using. I think we've kind of covered that. Shows we've been talking about. Uh, I think we covered everything we wanted to talk about. Is there anything else that people want us to talk about?

• 1:17:35Tim Ferriss?

  Um, there'll be no shortage here.

• 1:17:37Speaker 03

  Maka for men. Any new drawings? Tim Wim Hof.

• 1:17:43Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, Kyle it bounce. Will you guys do this again? I don't know. What do you think, Kevin?

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  Oh, it's been fun. I would love to, to continue to. Yeah, especially if this, this kind of craziness continues, which I imagine it would like, it'd be fun to do this every, every few weeks, you know? Make it monthly. Yeah, I think monthly would be fun. That's, that's, that's a good idea.

• 1:18:04Speaker 03

  Cool. Um, any, should we do any parting notes or any like, any things that we want to say on the way out? How was the stream quality? I'm curious for people. Was it good?

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  Great, great, good. Awesome. I'm glad this worked out. Because here's the funny thing. I went on to Zoom and Tim is like, how are we going to do this? Like, let's figure it out. And I, I went into Zoom and they had a, um, what they call, what did they call it? The, uh, what is the account called? Where like, oh, the webinar account? I was like, oh, we'll do a webinar with Zoom. It supports up to 10,000 people. And remember I sent you the price? It's 10 grand. It's 10 grand for a Zoom webinar for 10,000 people.

• 1:18:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's crazy. And so I.

• 1:18:53Tim Ferriss?

  A lot of monies.

• 1:18:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. So thankfully, uh, we obviously we know Bennett, Bennett Caffey and the CEO and he, he, um, offered to do this and.

• 1:19:01Tim Ferriss?

  Ben, Ben's great, even though he almost killed me.

• 1:19:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, he almost killed you.

• 1:19:05Tim Ferriss?

  That's a side note. Yeah.

• 1:19:07Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:19:07Tim Ferriss?

  If ever, if you want to look up tomahawk skiing accident, that'll give you a, a nice image of what it looked like as I catapulted myself headfirst down many steep inclines with our dear friend Ben.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's a big snowboarder. He was very good, right? Was he was snowboarding?

• 1:19:31Tim Ferriss?

  No, he's much better at snowboarding than I am at skiing, which led to the disparity in competence when we went down cornices and I ended up tomahawking head over heel over and over again. Tim, sounds like he has peanut butter stuck to the roof of his mouth. Eric Kaplan, that's because I've had a glass of wine.

• 1:19:52Speaker 03

  More than a glass of wine. Uh, let's do some parting, some parting thoughts. What are your parting thoughts?

• 1:19:57Tim Ferriss?

  Give me bottle, bottle of wine.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  You know, when they do like the uh,

• 1:20:01Tim Ferriss?

  I feel like you have an urgency to your escape from this live broadcast.

• 1:20:05Speaker 03

  I know that we have, um, we have dinner at some point. Tom's drunk. That was amazing. Whoever said Tom's drunk, it's got thirteen, fourteen, sixteen hearts now, twenty-four, twenty-seven, forty. Wow. Amazing. That person's hammed.

• 1:20:22Tim Ferriss?

  Slayer soundtrack during isolation, Tim, Blood Red.

• 1:20:26Speaker 03

  Oh, great workout track, too.

• 1:20:28Tim Ferriss?

  So good.

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  Raining blood. Yes.

• 1:20:31Tim Ferriss?

  Raining blood's pretty intense. Yeah, that whole album's very intense.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  I, I have a Spotify workout that includes old Metallica and Slayer. It's, it's good stuff.

• 1:20:42Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, man. On fucking white wine. Who gets drunk on white wine? Jeffrey?

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  That's a good point.

• 1:20:48Tim Ferriss?

  E Heath, Tim Ferriss. That's who. Because you know why? Because I can. That's why. Random drunk show.

• 1:20:55Speaker 03

  All right. So let's do some parting thoughts here before we go.

• 1:20:58Tim Ferriss?

  All right.

• 1:20:58Speaker 03

  Uh, do you want to start?

• 1:21:00Tim Ferriss?

  No, fuck no.

• 1:21:01Speaker 03

  All right, I'll start. Um, I know it's tough.

• 1:21:04Tim Ferriss?

  Give us a Gettysburg address. I want to hear something profound, Kevin.

• 1:21:08Speaker 03

  No, there's a, there's nothing profound other than, um, one, I want to thank everybody for showing up tonight. It's nice to have a little break from the chaos, obviously. And Tim, thank you for agreeing to do this because it's, um, it's just, uh, it's tough times. And, and I think that, you know, we've seen this, uh, this, this type of thing impact everyone that we know. And it doesn't matter how rich you are, like, or how poor you are, like, it's, it's hitting everyone in a different way. And, um, I just want to know, I just want to tell everyone out there that my, my thoughts are with all of you. I know it's, um, this is going to be a challenging few years. So we, we'll get through it together. And hopefully with a little bit of comedy and some random shows every now and then, and our podcasts that we do and.

• 1:21:52Speaker 03

  You know, um, I just, uh, want to encourage everyone to, to, to be safe and to quarantine as much as possible. Stay home. Like, uh, I'm doing grocery runs once a week now. Um, I, I have a little bit of stockpiled food, but I also go out to the grocery store and, you know, uh, there's no shame in, in wearing gloves or wearing a mask or it's, it's like, it's, it's real. So, um, I just want to give much love to all the people watching this.

• 1:22:22Tim Ferriss?

  Thank you, Mr. Rose. I would say to add to that, that, um,

• 1:22:32Tim Ferriss?

  things are heavy. Things are heavy right now. And we will get through this, even if, if this is, as Bill Gates would perhaps propose, the once in a century pandemic, the, the human species, you know, the, the hominids that we are, have existed for a very long time and we have made it through many pandemics, many epidemics over time, and we will make it through this one.

• 1:23:05Tim Ferriss?

  And it is your job in a way, now that natural selection and Darwinism are in full force once again, to not kill yourself and not kill other people. And I, I would suggest that you, as Kevin said, stay home as much as possible. Wear masks. The masks do help despite what's, what the World Health Organization might lead you to believe.

• 1:23:34Speaker 03

  That's gonna change in a few days, dude. It's, it's

• 1:23:36Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, it's fucking nonsense. Masks help, period. End of story.

• 1:23:40Speaker 03

  Especially if you're asymptomatic. Sorry to interrupt, but like if you, you don't, yeah, people, most people don't know they have it and that's a, you're

• 1:23:46Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. Yeah. And so one way to think about this is not just how do you protect yourself, but how would you act if you had COVID-19? If you were positive, how would you act so you would not contaminate anyone else? And there are a lot of ways to work around that. If you need to do grocery runs, you could consider using a TaskRabbit, for instance, who's already going to be exposing themselves. How can you piggyback on other activities, et cetera, and so on. But I would

• 1:24:23Tim Ferriss?

  say it's very helpful at times like this when we're so mired in the weeds and so overwhelmed and so perhaps stressed in the face of uncertainty to zoom out. And if you zoom out, you could look at a book like, I believe it is The Lessons of History by William and Ariel Durant. And when you read a book like that, which effectively takes 10,000 pages of documentation, Jesus.

• 1:25:02Tim Ferriss?

  that is already ready a synopsis and then concentrates it down to about 120 pages. That's not bad. Yeah. Then you realize how common what we're going through is when placed in the context of a broader human history. And for that reason, you know, there is reason to be careful. There is reason to be cautious and strategic. But humans will exist after

• 1:25:38Tim Ferriss?

  this. I suspect it will be sooner than people expect in terms of economic recovery. And as it stands right now, I think the most important thing is to take this seriously now so that it doesn't extend over 18 to 24 months. The more seriously you take it now, the less seriously you can take it 12 months from now. And that, that I think is worth highlighting. So that's what I'd say. I also extend my heart and empathy to all those who are suffering right now with job loss, with economic uncertainty, and so on. It's

• 1:26:23Tim Ferriss?

  a fucking hard time. And hopefully.

• 1:26:30Tim Ferriss?

  Everyone can do a little bit to help the handful of people all around them. You don't need to save the world, but if there's a barber, or a dog walker, or a coffee shop, or someone near you, who you can reach out to, just to simply ask, "What can I do to help? Is there anything I can do to help?" That's a major public service. And karmically, you will be adding a lot to your bank account for the final tally. So that's what I would say.

• 1:27:02Speaker 03

  Sometimes help is just having a conversation with someone, just giving them a chance to vent and get things off their chest, you know?

• 1:27:08Tim Ferriss?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:27:09Speaker 03

  The one thing I will say that when you were talking to them, they were coming up in the comments, is that people were saying masks are not available. And I will say that I did see a very interesting, it wasn't an article, I actually heard it on the radio, when I was driving in the car. It was talking about alternatives to the masks that people are using. And they have found that sewing fabric, like multi-layered fabric, like cotton masks, and even scarves and other things, anything you can do to cover your mouth and nose, is effective. Is it going to be clinical grade? Like, maybe not, but, you know, there's no shame in going to the grocery store with a scarf over your mouth.

• 1:27:52Speaker 03

  Like, there's, these are difficult times, and we gotta just make do with what we have. So I, you know, it's like, I'm doing the same thing. It's like, it's tough, but we, until those become available to the general public, it's like, we gotta do the best we can.

• 1:28:10Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, something is better than nothing.

• 1:28:12Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 1:28:14Tim Ferriss?

  At this point, so, number one, you know, I would say do what you can, be responsible, think about not just your safety, but the safety of those in your community. And also, try to be easy on yourself, right? Nobody's fucking ace in this right now.

• 1:28:30Speaker 03

  Nobody is. We're all fucking scared.

• 1:28:33Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, nobody's acing this.

• 1:28:35Speaker 03

  It's like, I got an 80-year-old mom that I'm freaking out about every single day, because she goes out and checks the mail by herself, and touches her mail, and I'm like... Maybe you shouldn't be doing that. Like, there's things like, you know, little tiny holes in all of this stuff. And like, my mom's got really, really, really bad asthma. And so it's like a done, done deal. She gets this and it's game over. And it's like, it just, you know, we all are struggling here um, in some capacity and I know some more so than others. So, uh, if you have this or you know, someone that has it, we're rooting for you. We love you. Um, all we can do is give love and support to those around us.

• 1:29:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, here, here, man. That's all I have to say. Cheers, brother. So good. I'm out of wine. I can pour a tiny bit more. Are you completely out? Did you finish your bottle? My bottle's empty. Holy shit, you did that all yourself? I did. I'm proud of you, Tim Tim. Tom. Oh, thanks, Kev Kev.

• 1:29:39Speaker 03

  People are saying Tom is lit right now. Oh, Tom is lit. No doubt. Cheers, everybody. We, we love you all. Seriously, uh, stay safe out there. Thank you so much for tuning in. I hope this gave you some laughs and, and some good times and, uh, we'll talk soon.

• 1:29:57Tim Ferriss?

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• 1:30:39Tim Ferriss?

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• 1:31:19Tim Ferriss?

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• 1:32:46Tim Ferriss?

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• 1:33:31Tim Ferriss?

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