#146: The Random Show, Ice Cold Edition

This is not going to be a long form interview where I dissect and deconstruct a world-class performer. Instead, this is a special edition of the Random Show. I am joined by Kevin Rose (@KevinRose https://twitter.com/kevinrose), serial entrepreneur, and all around wild and crazy guy! Enjoy! Show notes and links for this episode can be found at www.fourhourworkweek.com/podcast http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/podcast. This podcast is brought to you by Wealthfront https://wealthfront.com/tim. Wealthfront is a massively disruptive (in a good way) set-it-and-forget-it investing service, led by technologists from places like Apple. It has exploded in popularity in the last two years and now has more than $2.5B under management. Why? Because you can get services previously limited to the ultra-wealthy and only pay pennies on the dollar for them, and it's all through smarter software instead of retail locations and bloated sales teams. Check out wealthfront.com/tim http://wealthfront.com/tim, take their risk assessment quiz, which only takes 2-5 minutes, and they'll show you—for free–exactly the portfolio they'd put you in. If you want to just take their advice and do it yourself, you can. Well worth a few minutes to explore: wealthfront.com/tim http://wealthfront.com/tim. This podcast is also brought to you by 99Designs http://99designs.com/tim, the world's largest marketplace of graphic designers. I have used them for years to create some amazing designs. When your business needs a logo, website design, business card, or anything you can imagine, check out 99Designs. I used them to rapid prototype the cover http://99designs.com/tim for The 4-Hour Body, and I've also had them help with display advertising and illustrations. If you want a more personalized approach, I recommend their 1-on-1 service http://99designs.com/tim. You get original designs from designers around the world. The best part? You provide your feedback, and then you end up with a product that you're happy with or your money back. Click this link http://www.99designs.com/tim and get a free $99 upgrade. Give it a test run.

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• 0:01Tim Ferriss?

  At this altitude, I can run flat out for a half mile before my hands start to shake.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Can I ask you a personal question?

• 0:08Speaker 02

  No, what is the inappropriate time?

• 0:12Speaker 01

  I'm a cybernetic organism, living tissue over metal endoskeleton.

• 0:23Tim Ferriss?

  This episode is brought to you by Wealthfront, and this is a very unique sponsor. Wealthfront is a massively disruptive, in a good way, set it and forget it investing service, led by technologists from places like Apple and world famous investors. It has exploded in popularity in the last two years, and they now have more than $2.5 billion under management. In fact, some of my very good friends, investors in Silicon Valley, have millions of their own money in Wealthfront. So the question is, why? Why is it so popular? Why is it unique? Because you can get services previously reserved for the ultra wealthy, but only pay pennies on the dollar for them. And this is because they use smarter software instead of retail locations, bloated sales teams, etc. And I'll come back to that in a second. I suggest you check out wealthfront.com/tim.

• 1:08Tim Ferriss?

  Take the risk assessment quiz, which only takes two to five minutes, and they'll show you for free exactly the portfolio they'd put you in. And if you just want to take their advice, run with it, do it yourself, you can do that. Or, as I would, you can set it and forget it. And here's why. The value of Wealthfront is in the automation of habits and strategies that investors should be using on a regular basis but normally aren't. Great investing is a marathon, not a sprint, and little things that you may or may not be familiar with, like automatic tax loss harvesting, rebalancing your portfolio across more than 10 asset classes, and dividend reinvestment add up to very large amounts of money over longer periods of time. Wealthfront, as I mentioned, since it's using software instead of retail locations, etc.,

• 1:50Tim Ferriss?

  can offer all of this at low costs that were previously completely impossible. Right off the bat, you never pay commissions or account fees. For everything, they charge 0.25% per year on assets above the first 15,000, which is managed for free if you use my link, wealthfront.com/tim. That is less than $5 a month to invest $830,000. ...account, for instance. Now, normally, when I have a sponsor on the show, it's because I use them and recommend them. In this case, it's a little different. I don't use Wealthfront yet because I'm not allowed to. Here's the deal. They wanted to sponsor this podcast, but because of SEC regulations, companies that invest your money are not allowed to use client testimonials. So I couldn't be a user and have them on the podcast.

• 2:32Tim Ferriss?

  But I've been so impressed by Wealthfront that I've invested a significant amount of my own money, at least for me, in the team and the company itself. So I am an investor and hope to soon use it as a client. Now, back to the recommendation. As a Tim Ferriss Show listener, you'll get $15,000 managed for free if you decide to open an account. But just start with seeing the portfolio that they would suggest for you. Take two minutes, fill out their questionnaire at wealthfront.com/tim. It's fast, it's free. There's no downside that I can think of. Just take a look, see what portfolio they would create for you, and you can use that information however you want. Wealthfront.com/tim. This episode is brought to you by 99designs.

• 3:13Tim Ferriss?

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• 3:53Tim Ferriss?

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• 4:05Tim Ferriss?

  Hello, boys and girls. This is Tim Ferriss and welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show. This is not going to be a long-form interview where I dissect and deconstruct a world-class performer. Instead, this is a special edition Random Show where I am joined by Kevin Rose, @kevinrose on Twitter, serial entrepreneur and all-around wild and crazy guy. And we're gonna get started right meow.

• 4:33Tim Ferriss?

  Ladies and gents, welcome to another episode of The Random Show, aka also variant The Tim Ferriss Show. I am Tim Ferriss.

• 4:39Speaker 03

  And I'm Kevin Rose.

• 4:41Tim Ferriss?

  And welcome to internet audio.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  It is good to be here, dude. We're doing another Random Show. It's been a long time.

• 4:46Tim Ferriss?

  It's been a long time. We got to do a bit of Banya, Russian bath, before venturing back to Casa Rose.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  Yes, the Russian bath was awesome. We did a little bit of just relaxation. Spent what, probably hour and a half in there?

• 5:03Tim Ferriss?

  Hour and a half going back and forth between hot and cold.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  That's right. Cheers, by the way.

• 5:07Tim Ferriss?

  Cheers.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  Got a little wine here. It's so weird not having a camera on us.

• 5:11Tim Ferriss?

  It is, but now we can unabashedly gaze into each other's eyes with uncomfortable eye contact.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  We could both sit here naked if we wanted to. It doesn't really matter.

• 5:20Tim Ferriss?

  Maybe we are.

• 5:22Tim Ferriss?

  So it's been a little while.

• 5:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 5:24Tim Ferriss?

  I haven't seen you guys in ages. I haven't had a chance to fondle and you'll see where this is going. Say hello to Toast.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 5:33Tim Ferriss?

  In a while.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  You always...

• 5:34Tim Ferriss?

  That's the dog, for those people wondering.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have a little mini Labradoodle. He's five years old, 23 pounds. He's an awesome little dude. And every time Tim comes over, Toaster gets really excited, but he also gets manhandled a little bit because that's how you treat dogs.

• 5:49Tim Ferriss?

  Which is fine.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  Fifty Shades of Labradoodle. I think he's into it.

• 5:52Tim Ferriss?

  That's right. Toaster, what a cutie. So... We haven't really caught up in a while. I mean, obviously, we're hanging at the Banyan, bullshitting and catching up on certain facets, but I don't know what types of things you're really into these days.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I mean, let's start with the sauna use because, you know, you were the really the one that kind of got me into this. And that we started talking about using the sauna, you know, you've mentioned in a handful of your, your podcasts and whatnot. You had Dr. Aranda Patrick on your show, talking about cold therapy and then Wim Hof you had on your show. After that, I was like, you know what? I'm going to get into this Wim Hof method. I signed up for the 10 week course. And I just now, as of last week, completed all 10 weeks. My final week, number 10 exercise was to go as long as you possibly can in the cold.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  For me, it was a ice bath. So I went out and bought 10 bags of ice at the corner store. Like hauled them up my stairs, dumped them into already cold water coming in out of the tap into my bathtub. And this is in the, the middle of winter in New York and climbed into the tub and did 15 minutes. In the ice bath submerged up to my neck, which was awesome. It, and you know, I've come a long way since week one. So for people that don't know, I'm sure a lot of people listened to the Wim Hof episode, but it's great. Wim holds several world records as far as

• 7:27Tim Ferriss?

  20 plus world records.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, something like that. As far as like exposure to the cold, time swimming under ice. I mean,

• 7:35Tim Ferriss?

  Ran a full marathon in the Namib Desert without any water at like 100 and whatever ungodly 130 degrees or whatever it was. Now I should say, I feel obligated here just to mention, this is not the type of thing you want to DIY in terms of instruction. The exposure to cold certainly when immersed in water.

• 7:57Tim Ferriss?

  These various breathing exercises can be very dangerous, if not fatal. And one of my friends recently had a shallow water blackout because he was practicing in water and remained submerged unconscious for three minutes.

• 8:08Speaker 03

  That's really scary.

• 8:09Tim Ferriss?

  And that is how you die or end up with permanent brain damage. So never practice this type of breath hold work in water or near water. And get qualified supervision. Do not do this solo ever.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the method, the 10 week course is a combination, as you said, of breath work and also cold exposure. I always kept the two extremely separate. So I didn't even do them near each other because I, just at that, I'd heard some stories and rumors and he mentions it, Wim mentions it as well to keep those more or less separate. So, you know, you start off with a really simple week one of just like taking a standard hot shower and then ending with 30 seconds of cold.

• 8:54Tim Ferriss?

  Cold finish.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  Cold finish, if you will. So.

• 8:57Tim Ferriss?

  I don't know what you're thinking about that prompted that laugh.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  Just never that friendly. It's never gonna be fun. But, you know, it was hard, it was, it was a challenge the first week because your body's just not used to it at all. But I will say the weirdest thing though, forget just like the whole 10 weeks, at about week three, and I've always considered myself a pretty positive person, but I noticed this, I would say about a 20 to 30% increase in mood, just feeling happier about just random stuff like just work and my interactions with other humans and my relationship with my wife and just little tasks that I would just get under my skin in the past, just became softened.

• 9:39Tim Ferriss?

  How often were you doing the?

• 9:42Speaker 03

  So I was practicing at this point five times a week.

• 9:44Tim Ferriss?

  Five times a week.

• 9:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, so five times.

• 9:47Tim Ferriss?

  But it wasn't extra time. In other words, you were doing it when you were taking showers anyway.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  That's right. So first thing in the morning for me. And Daria, my wife was just like, who are you? Because I would jump out of the shower and I'd come, she'd be laying in bed and still asleep and I'd be like fists in the air like, like a wild man, just like all pumped up and jazzed. And, and you know some of the science behind this. You should probably mention what happens when you get hit with the cold.

• 10:10Tim Ferriss?

  Well, there are, as best I can tell, and I remember I looked at this when writing the Four Hour Body way back in the day. There's a chapter called Ice Age and with Ray Cronice, really fascinating guy, everybody should look up, K R O N I S E. Looked at fat loss and how to use ice or cold exposure to accelerate that. And there are a number of physiological responses, only some of which we understand. But noradrenaline or epinephrine release is one. And the the immune immunological enhancements that people have observed in, say, Wim Hof and his students, where he's able to be injected with various bacteriotoxins that he can mitigate

• 10:53Tim Ferriss?

  a sort of fever response to through breath work, seems to be correlated with that type of sort of adrenal system response. You also have different hormones like adiponectin, which is associated with greater fat loss. But the fact of the matter is, I do believe even at that point in 2009 or so, when I was finishing The Four Hour Body, that there was at least preliminary data from studies to suggest that cold exposure could produce effects comparable to some antidepressants. And it is it is real.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  It is 100%.

• 11:27Tim Ferriss?

  Really real.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  And you know what's funny is, I don't know if you you know this, but back in the day when Van Gogh cut his ear off, they put him in an insane asylum.

• 11:38Tim Ferriss?

  Understandable.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  And you know what the the treatment was, was ice baths twice a day.

• 11:43Tim Ferriss?

  Really?

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Yep. So that was like the treatment for insanity. And apparently it worked on a lot of people, just brought them down to a more real level. So, you know, I was insane prior to doing this, but it's been amazing. So I completed the 10 weeks. I'm sold. I'm hooked on ice and I'm actually looking, you know, I'm a technology investor and I'm looking to actually fund some additional research in this area so that we can just get more data on kind of your point of the kind of minimal effective effective dose that you write about so often, like what is that for humans to get a positive response?

• 12:19Tim Ferriss?

  What temperature? What duration?

• 12:20Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 12:21Tim Ferriss?

  What type of suppression?

• 12:22Speaker 03

  And I just kind of, that's something I've I've seen this and I 100% know that it's real. It's there's nothing else. I'm not meditating additionally. I'm not change I haven't changed my diet, like nothing else. Has changed, so you know, take it with a grain of salt because obviously it's one person. But I've heard this with many people, like there's really positive effects to be had here.

• 12:43Tim Ferriss?

  So I actually am glad you sort of made the ask of the audience and I suppose people can ping us on Twitter. So we'll give the handles out in a minute, but I also have a request for the audience related to cold. And that is, if anyone can suggest or build or even spec out theoretically, what a device would look like that is an immersion circulator, like you would use for sous vide, that cools water quickly, so that I wouldn't have to buy the ice. Because I don't have an ice machine at home. At one point I was thinking of getting a massive Mosquito Coast type ice machine made from hoshizaki, which is what Laird Hamilton has.

• 13:26Tim Ferriss?

  The greatest big wave surfer of all time, he has a gigantic hoshizaki machine because he uses so much ice for ice baths.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  So I'm actually buying, in the process of buying one of those machines right now.

• 13:35Tim Ferriss?

  Okay, so my, what my question is though, for people out there, and the physics here might be impossible, we'll see. But if there's a device that I could drape into the water to.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  You want a cold sous vide for yourself?

• 13:49Tim Ferriss?

  I want a cold sous vide for myself, effectively. And the reason being, if I buy ice, and maybe this has happened to you, it's certainly happened to me. I mean, I've done hundreds and hundreds of ice baths, is I'll either get, I'll get the ice and either sit around a little long and it'll melt, or I will put it into the bath, get distracted and be like, alright, I'm going to do the ice bath in 20 minutes. And then 40 minutes passed and I'm like, oh no, it's already 10 degrees warmer.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Or you get into the bathtub and it melts because your body temperature melts it and then it's not as cold.

• 14:19Tim Ferriss?

  There are a lot of issues with it. So if I could use a device to maintain a cold temperature precisely, that would be really appealing. And, or if there, maybe there's some type of lining with coils, sounds really dangerous as I say it, that you could put into a tub, maybe even like sort of an electric blanket, obviously not to electrocute yourself, but like a.

• 14:43Speaker 03

  Blanket of sorts.

• 14:44Tim Ferriss?

  They have these that you could sit or lay on that would cool the temperature.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  So you, professional athletes take ice baths all the time, right? So there has to be equipment for this already.

• 14:52Tim Ferriss?

  Well, I'm guessing in that particular case that it's, you're basically sitting inside an icebox.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  Right.

• 14:58Tim Ferriss?

  In the sense that there are, they're using Freon gas or something like that à la refrigerator style to, uh, to cool the, the casing of the, of the bath. But if anybody out there has any ideas for technology that would allow you to have ice baths without ice, I would be very, very interested. So you can let me know or Kevin, if you're interested in conducting cold related research and have some qualifications.

• 15:26Speaker 03

  Yes, please.

• 15:28Tim Ferriss?

  At T Ferris, T F E R R I S S.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, and at Kevin Rose on Twitter.

• 15:34Tim Ferriss?

  Sweet. That's cold.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was fun. It was a great little fun experiment. I'm, I'm glad I did it and I'm sticking with it. You know, like tonight, what did we do? Probably a total of five minutes.

• 15:45Tim Ferriss?

  Probably five minutes. And that was a really cold, cold plunge.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  It was pretty close to freezing.

• 15:50Tim Ferriss?

  Particular Banya, yeah, I would say it was high 30s, very, very, very cold. Uh, but therefore my favorite, since it's the contrast that I find so appealing. And you could look up, if you're interested in athletic applications of this type of thing, you can look up contrast therapy. I believe the East Germans were very well known for using it, among other things that they used, of course, their female swim team sounded like dudes in the locker room. So it wasn't just ice, but I digress. So let me throw out, uh, two things that we don't necessarily have to spend a ton of time on that I've discovered in the last week that I've really been enjoying. The first is something called Yaktrax, Y A K T R A X. And I was looking for this, much like I was looking for this ice device and.

• 16:35Tim Ferriss?

  I eventually found it and this was in Montana. I had accidentally brought boots where the exterior was perfect for the environment, but the sole was slick and it was horrible for walking on snow or ice. And these yak tracks, which you can fit in a jacket pocket, have coils and they're otherwise made of rubber. And you basically hook it on your heel and then drag it up and hook it onto your toe. And you can just walk flawlessly across snow or ice. It's fantastic. So even for use in, say, a city, they're very easy to walk with. If I were in New York City and I didn't want to have to wear like huge sorrel boots, which I also wore for snowmobiling, which were amazing. I would just use the yak tracks.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I need these. So I didn't tell you this, but gosh, about three weeks ago, New York, everything was frozen. Got out of an Uber, may or may not have had two to three glasses of wine. And I hit a patch of ice. I just stood on a patch of ice and I went straight down and hit my chin on the ground.

• 17:35Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, my God.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  And Daria freaked out. She was just like, oh, my God, are you okay?

• 17:38Tim Ferriss?

  So wait, you did like a Superman banana peel like feet behind you, went face first?

• 17:43Speaker 03

  Face first and it's like chin just right on the concrete. I'm lucky I didn't break something. And it was just like, I mean, I, this is awesome yak tracks. I will definitely buy a pair of these.

• 17:53Tim Ferriss?

  So yak tracks have been, it's just such an elegant solution. The way they're designed is really smart. And it's just, it's just a clean, simple design.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  Which one did you get? The XTR, the Run, the Pro? Do you know?

• 18:07Tim Ferriss?

  I ended up getting the Walk.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  The Walk.

• 18:10Tim Ferriss?

  And not because the Walk is necessarily the only model I would choose. It was the only one available in my size.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 18:17Tim Ferriss?

  So I am sure that.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  You're like a, you're a shoe like pioneer. You were the first one to ever tell me about Vibram's like 10 years ago.

• 18:29Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  Do you still wear those or no?

• 18:31Tim Ferriss?

  Innovate. I don't, and it's not because of the health claims that they made too strongly, which some of which were debunked. It's because of two factors. I do wear zero drop shoes, though.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  What are those?

• 18:45Tim Ferriss?

  Zero drop, meaning the toes and heel are at the same elevation.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 18:50Tim Ferriss?

  So like these gum sole vans that I'm wearing right now are zero drop. Converse would be the same. Vivo Barefoot. I think it's something Terra is the name of the company, also Zero Drop. I do wear those, but number one, the Vibrams are, uh, can really cause Achilles tendonitis if you're not accustomed to Zero Drop shoes. And number two, I just really found them uh hazardous to my heels and plantar fasciitis. Uh, walking on concrete and asphalt. I mean, walking barefoot on soil is one thing. Walking barefoot on concrete is quite another.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I, I found the day after my feet were just sore. I kind of thought that was a good thing though. I was like, oh, I'm working muscles I didn't work before, but.

• 19:40Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, walking I think is fine. Uh, the biggest issue for me was they end up smelling terrible, even if I, even if I use the Injinji, uh, kind of Japanese style socks.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  There's words and stuff for that though, right?

• 19:53Tim Ferriss?

  Uh, these were horrendous, but um, speaking of not horrendous, the next little one that I'll throw out is an app that I downloaded literally yesterday and it has blown my mind called Bumble. And if you've ever tried Tinder and you are a male, this is a better version and probably a better version for, for women as well. And the, the big difference is the following. If you match and everything else is, is fairly standard, you set the geographical range, uh, age range, whatever.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  Still swiping left and right kind of thing?

• 20:25Tim Ferriss?

  Still swiping left and right. There are a few UI differences, but here's the biggest difference. If you have a match,

• 20:32Tim Ferriss?

  the woman has to text first and you disappear in 24 hours if she doesn't text you. So there's a time constraint on matches and the ball is immediately in the court of the woman.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  But wouldn't.

• 20:45Tim Ferriss?

  Now, why is this good?

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:47Tim Ferriss?

  This is good because on Tinder or Match or any other, OKQ, it doesn't matter. What happens? Any, any semi-attractive or attractive woman gets hit with thousands of yahoos sending stupid messages. And as a guy, you also have therefore, uh, less than a snowball's chance in hell unless you find somebody who's only been on the service for like four days. Because the recipients just deluged with idiocy. And so you spend a lot of time sending messages that never get read, never get responded to. So this flips that dynamic entirely on its head.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  So have you gotten a lot of responses?

• 21:23Tim Ferriss?

  I mean, granted, we're in New York City where the density is insane, but I've never seen anything like this.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 21:29Tim Ferriss?

  It is absolutely insane.

• 21:31Speaker 03

  Can I, can I use your profile real quick? Can I try it?

• 21:35Speaker 03

  You wouldn't hand me the phone earlier, by the way.

• 21:37Tim Ferriss?

  I wouldn't hand it there. For those of you who've listened to this show, you will agree that Kevin has given me no reason to trust him using my phone.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  First of all, I will find your future wife right now, live on this show.

• 21:49Tim Ferriss?

  Live on this show. All right. Well, I'll tell you what, here, I'll give you a chance here. All right.

• 21:54Speaker 03

  All right.

• 21:54Tim Ferriss?

  There you go. I'm letting Kevin take a hold of my phone.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  She appears to be in her late twenties, early thirties, blonde dress, dresses like medium length. I'm going to say no to that one. Do you agree?

• 22:09Tim Ferriss?

  You're swiping right. Well, you say no, but that's okay.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  So right means yes. I've never done this before. I've been married for a while. First of all, you gotta swipe right on that one.

• 22:16Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. Okay. So now I now explain for those people, why, why should I swipe right on this? I will.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  She's got nerdy glasses on. She's got a nose ring and she's got really pouty lips and just like a nice little soft like jacket.

• 22:28Tim Ferriss?

  All right, next.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  She's cute too. Can you see other photos? How do you do that?

• 22:31Tim Ferriss?

  This I actually like to, you don't have to tap and then swipe left or right. You swipe vertically to see that's she's, ah, see, this is.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  She's a little older though. The tool for you? No, she looks cute.

• 22:43Tim Ferriss?

  You know what? I'm not judgmental.

• 22:44Speaker 03

  Swipe right.

• 22:45Tim Ferriss?

  Swipe right. Also, big brown eyes, little brown ankles, which I'm fond of.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  She's throwing up a peace sign with like, it looks a little hammered. She's cute. You should swipe right on her for sure.

• 22:54Tim Ferriss?

  All right. There we go. Oh.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  Boom. You got a connection.

• 22:56Tim Ferriss?

  And we matched.

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 22:58Tim Ferriss?

  Just like that. And literally I installed this app last night.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  The second we, he matched, two bouncy balls come up and it shows like a B.

• 23:07Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. More Bumble or start a chat. Now, I don't know, I've never started a chat before, so let's try it. Start a chat.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  No, you're not allowed to.

• 23:14Tim Ferriss?

  I'm not allowed to. So she has to do it. Okay. Right. There we go. And so I X it out and this is so low labor. As, as a male, every male listening to this, who is like over the age of 20, has spent thousands of hours vainly attempting to get. Female attention.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 23:31Tim Ferriss?

  And wasted in disgustingly high percentage of their liquid.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  You just like it because you don't have to do anything.

• 23:38Tim Ferriss?

  No, I like it because it forces the woman to express interest and pre-qualify in that sense, so that the conversation isn't a total waste of time.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  So what do they say? Do this say like?

• 23:50Tim Ferriss?

  I mean, it's lightweight. They're like, hey, you know, they don't have.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  They're not using pick up lines on you or anything.

• 23:55Tim Ferriss?

  That women don't have to do that. Uh, so no, they're not doing that. But, uh, I, I just really like that it's flipping the normal approach entirely on its head.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  And you like use, do you drop like, hey, I have some books out and stuff?

• 24:11Tim Ferriss?

  I don't. I do not.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  You, you have to at some point.

• 24:14Tim Ferriss?

  Well, I'll say I'm a, I, I feel conflicted about this because it's a weird, it's weird to be a public facing person in any capacity and try to date.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 24:27Tim Ferriss?

  It's just a weird situation that creates all sorts of.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  Awesome.

• 24:31Tim Ferriss?

  Well, it's awesome until it gets really weird and funky and crazy if it does.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Like today at the, uh, sauna.

• 24:38Tim Ferriss?

  What?

• 24:39Speaker 03

  We were in the locker room, like getting naked.

• 24:41Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, that was weird. It was a little uncomfortable.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Two guys were like, damn, love your book. And like, we're all naked.

• 24:47Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. I'm just like in my underwear and I'm like, do I take my underwear off now in front of these guys? They were perfectly polite, but I'm like, I'm not sure what to do in this city. What's the protocol? Like, do I just let the Johnson flop out and go for it?

• 24:58Speaker 03

  Show them the goods. They bought your book.

• 25:02Tim Ferriss?

  I'll be like, you bought the book now. Experience the fool.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  You get the extended chapter.

• 25:07Tim Ferriss?

  Oh God. So, yep. The, uh, net, net, very positive thing, but Bumble, for people who've been frustrated, male or female, I think it's worth checking out.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 25:17Tim Ferriss?

  What about you?

• 25:18Speaker 03

  Cool. Uh, so next on my list, a little self-promotion, uh, I launched a newsletter. I wanted to plug that for a second.

• 25:25Tim Ferriss?

  And it's a really well-done newsletter.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 25:27Tim Ferriss?

  I gotta be honest. I was expecting more spelling errors.

• 25:30Speaker 03

  I've spent a lot of time.

• 25:32Tim Ferriss?

  I was, I was really, uh, impressed with the newsletter.

• 25:36Speaker 03

  I think that, uh.

• 25:36Tim Ferriss?

  Cause usually when I get text messages from you, it's like you're typing with your knuckles.

• 25:41Speaker 03

  Well, you know, typically I've had a couple of glasses of wine and it gets a little sloppy. But in all seriousness, one of the things that I wanted to do is I love newsletters. I get yours and probably 10 others. And something that I find a little bit frustrating, I don't know if you've run into this, but especially on ones that come out every single day, is people don't take the time to properly vet what they're talking about. So you'll get a lot of like product recommendations and just like, you know, check out this app or check out this website or whatever it may be. And the stuff is just like they're recycling press releases versus actually having spent time with something.

• 26:23Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  So for me, I created a newsletter called The Journal. And you can check it out at thejournal.e-mail. That's actually a domain name. .e-mail is like a thing now to sign up. But basically what I do is I spend one month. So I only send one a month. There's not like, it's not going to overflow your inbox. And I fully vet every single thing I talk about. So if I talk about, you know, a cool piece of electronics, or a gadget, or a knife, or just something like I find really interesting, I've spent at least a month or more playing with it, using it, fully vetting it, making sure that it's worth your time. Because, you know, all of our time is valuable and the last thing I would want is you to click on something that's just trash or garbage.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  So only once a month, you only get 12 a year, obviously completely free. But, you know, I basically put in really cool videos. I spend, every single day I watch a TED Talk and I pick one out of the entire month that I really enjoyed and I put it in there.

• 27:28Tim Ferriss?

  What was the last one?

• 27:29Speaker 03

  The last one I did was actually a talk by-

• 27:33Tim Ferriss?

  I remember because I actually reached out to him afterwards.

• 27:36Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 27:37Tim Ferriss?

  This was, help me out. This was the Zen Hospice Center-

• 27:39Speaker 03

  The guy that runs the Zen Hospice Center.

• 27:40Tim Ferriss?

  In San Francisco.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:41Tim Ferriss?

  Amazing guy and I'm embarrassed to be blanking on his name.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Did you watch the talk?

• 27:46Tim Ferriss?

  I did watch it and the reason that it struck such a chord is that I actually, he is friends with our, or a friend of a friend, of our mutual friend, Adam Gazali, the neuroscientist who is on my podcast.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  I didn't know that.

• 27:59Tim Ferriss?

  And I was at Princeton shortly after-

• 28:04Tim Ferriss?

  This gentleman we're referring to who gave the TED Talk and now runs this hospice center, climbed on top of this train and had his, his, uh, one arm and both legs electrocuted off of his body.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  Like blown off of his body.

• 28:15Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. And, and I, that was a cautionary tale when I went into my freshman year because it had just happened a few years before.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 28:23Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. That is a great talk. Everybody should watch this. And I'm so embarrassed. I can't remember the guy's name, but do you have a sample issue up?

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. So if you sign up for the newsletter, you get the last issue automatically.

• 28:33Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, there you go.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  So the second you sign up, I, I send you within two minutes, you get the last issue. Um, and then you'll have, it's, it's basically about, I'd say six to eight, um, things in there. Um, and I tend to do, you know, a couple of videos, a piece of electronics, something you can carry with you, like a cool gadget or something that like a great pen.

• 28:53Tim Ferriss?

  Throwing stars.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  Some ninja throwing stars. Um, but you know, again, the thing for me here is like, why yet another, another newsletter? And the only reason is because I'm constantly playing with like the latest electronics, um, and all different types of things out there. And I, I want to put just the absolute best out. So.

• 29:12Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah. And you're, you're one of maybe four or five newsletters that I subscribe to.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  Awesome. Well, I appreciate that. Thank you.

• 29:17Tim Ferriss?

  And, uh, it would be remiss of me not to mention if you are, uh, if you've done a few lines of coke and are really eager to sign up for every newsletter, uh, that.

• 29:26Speaker 03

  There's like one guy out there right now that's like, fuck my shit. I'm on it.

• 29:30Tim Ferriss?

  And that is five bullet Friday, which is my newsletter. Uh, it's sent out a little more frequently, once a week with the five things that I have found most fascinating or useful in a given week.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  We're like jerking each other's newsletters off right now, but the one that you did, I bought that stupid thing that you did with the, um, the roller pin that has like the little knob.

• 29:51Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, the, uh, the rumble roller.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  The rumble roller. Yeah.

• 29:54Tim Ferriss?

  Dude, that thing is a game changer. I travel with it.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  Tell people about that.

• 29:57Tim Ferriss?

  I travel with it. So I have, uh, I have been a. Foam rolling skeptic for years, partially because I've faithfully done foam rolling with various devices and seen very little return until I got this device called the Rumble Roller. You mean foam rolling as far as like rolling out your muscles and stuff like that? Yeah, rolling out my IT bands or my I'm gonna get wine, keep talking. Yeah, yeah, I will. And I had seen very little ROI. There were a few devices that I found very helpful from say Kelly Starrett, for instance, and Mobility Wad. There's one called the Gemini and a few others that I did find useful. But in general foam rolling I found very difficult and not worth the time invested until I found this thing called the Rumble Roller,

• 30:42Tim Ferriss?

  which has knobs. If you could imagine like a motocross bike tire turned into a foam roller that has a very hard consistency. This is that device. So I travel with, I think it's the 12 inch version or 18 inch version of that. It literally travels with me everywhere. And that is the squeaking of another bottle of wine opening. So I will continue with my next recommendation. That was like a Foley Studio version of opening wine. That was incredible. Oh, nice. Yeah, Kevin cut his poor little finger open. Too bad we're not doing any more glucometer ketone testing. Save you the troubles and you just cut off the tip of your finger.

• 31:25Tim Ferriss?

  I am doing something a little weird. Oh, wait. First, more, last bit of call in the next 10 minutes and you'll get this for free. The Five Bullet Friday, if you haven't received it, it has more than a 60% open rate. If you're involved, an email. That is bonkers. Dude, that's actually right where I'm at right now with wine as well. Yeah. And I think it's because vetted recommendations. Yep. Just do the job. It's incredible. So Five Bullet Friday, if you go to fourhourworkweek.com/friday, it'll pop right up. So you can check that out. It's free, always will be. And next on the list, I will bring up

• 32:03Tim Ferriss?

  A book that I've been enjoying as a devout nonfiction purist for a long time. I am enjoying delving yet again back into fiction. And this book that I'm going to recommend is short, it is easy to read, and it is hilarious. And as is Toaster, who's waggling his head with metal attached to it. The Baron in the Trees. The Baron in the Trees is, and I think the guy's name is Italo Calvino, something like that. But The Baron in the Trees was recommended to me by my brother. And my brother and my mother are both very, very, not highbrow, but they have high standards for books. They never recommend anything unless they love it, and they don't love more than, say, one out of every 20 books they pick up.

• 32:47Tim Ferriss?

  And there've been two books in the last maybe 10 years that have been strongly, strongly recommended to me by my brother and mother in one case, which was Motherless Brooklyn, which is a great hilarious book about a detective with Tourette's Syndrome in Brooklyn. And then The Baron in the Trees. The Baron in the Trees is an older book about a young baron who gets in a huge dispute with his father over dinner, runs outside, climbs up a tree, and stays in the trees for the rest of his life. And has love affairs, learns how to hunt, learns how to build things, work on architectural problems. And it's a fun book to read. And what is most convenient about it as a fiction book is that unlike something like

• 33:31Tim Ferriss?

  Game of Thrones, for instance, or The Golden Compass, or any of these, or even Dune, something with really intense world building and a lot of characters, you get to meet the primary characters in The Baron in the Trees within the first 20 pages, and you can stop for a week or two and pick up right where you left off without having to reread the previous three or four chapters. Is this on audio as well, or just? I don't know if it's on audio. And honestly, there's part of me, because I do have the audiobook club with Audible, audible.com/ timswooks, is I want to just make all of these things into audio. It frustrates me that they're not available, but it's a lot of work to turn these things into audio. So I don't know.

• 34:13Tim Ferriss?

  If it isn't, it should be turned into audio, and I'll leave someone in the audience. I will pass the baton to you, and you can reach out to acquire rights to produce audio. But it's a great book, The Baron in the Trees. Awesome.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  So next up for me, I want to talk about the Fitbit Blaze. So this is the new device from Fitbit here that came out, gosh, just a few weeks ago, actually like two weeks ago. And I picked it up. Um, I've been a Fitbit user for a long time. I'm not sure, Tim, I don't think we ever talked about like how you track your heart rate or anything else.

• 34:46Tim Ferriss?

  We have not.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Do you, do you track it at all?

• 34:48Tim Ferriss?

  I don't right now. Uh, I have a device that I am blanking on the name of, which is a heart rate variability.

• 34:59Tim Ferriss?

  Focused heart rate monitor, and I'm going to be literally shaving half of the hair off of my chest to put this, not implant, but effectively paste this onto my chest for seven days straight. So it'll be 24/7. Heart rate data gathered from the chest that I will then ship off for analysis.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  But, but like re, that's like clinical grade heart rate monitoring, right?

• 35:24Tim Ferriss?

  That's right. But in terms of

• 35:26Speaker 03

  So say if you want sleep data, you don't have to shave your chest.

• 35:28Tim Ferriss?

  No, no, no, no, you don't have to do that. But I'm, I'm a wacko that way. And I'm doing it as part of something called the Health Nucleus through a company called Human Longevity, Inc., which I've invested in, which was co-founded by Craig Venter, who sequenced the first human genome.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  Oh, I've heard about this.

• 35:45Tim Ferriss?

  Peter Diamandis, chairman of the X Prize, and then Bob Hariri, who's a stem cell expert. I don't know if Adam's involved.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  Okay, he, he mentioned this, one of our scientist friends.

• 35:54Tim Ferriss?

  But they have just massive data crunching capabilities. So part of the testing included full body MRIs, uh, full genome sequencing, et cetera. And the take home homework in this case was to shave your chest and paste this on, which I have yet to do, of course, because shaving my chest, I'm like a silverback gorilla. It's a lot of work to contend with. So I've put it off, but I'll be doing that in the next, starting that in the next day or two.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, so back to the Fitbit stuff. Good luck with the shaving. I've been a, I've been a Fitbit user since day one. And you know, I've tried all these different ones, whether it's, you know, the Fitbit one or the Jawbone. I tried even the Microsoft one briefly.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  And then also the Withings. So I've been- Costco version? The Costco version. Whatever it is, I'll try it. Oh, actually, you know, I really liked the one from, oh gosh, what was it? Misfit. Misfit was great. Yeah, Misfit was great. Because it had a long battery life. It was really lightweight, but it would pop out all the time and I'd lose it. But, um, long story short, for me, you know, I always try and hit that either 3,000 calories a day or 10,000 steps per day. You're gonna say 10,000 calories per day. I was like, I guarantee you the watch isn't gonna help you. One or the other. But the, I've always wanted something that does heart rate. So they came out with a Fitbit HR here probably, gosh, I'd say a year and a half, two years ago.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  I used that for a while, but this just came out and it has a full display, almost like an Apple Watch does. And the thing I like about it is that you can go into situations, whether it be running on the treadmill, lifting weights, or sauna use, and you can track your heart rate and time things as well. So for me, what I do, like today, you saw me doing it, when we went to the sauna, I go in there and I say, okay, I'm gonna go in the sauna, I'm gonna try and hit 10 minutes in the heat. And then when my heart, so one of two things, either I hit 10 minutes and I leave and take a break, or my heart rate will hit 130 to 140. And if it hits that, then I also take a break because I know it's just too much for me.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  So the one thing I did is I went and I did a bunch of research on all these different trackers and tried to find the one with the highest, um, uh, temperature rating. Because I wanted to withstand the heat, because a lot of devices, I've taken my iPhone, for example, into a sauna, which was probably stupid, but I wanted to listen to a podcast. It's like I put it on the ground so it'd be at the lowest possible temperature in the sauna. And after about 10 minutes, it puts a warning screen up- Overheating and then I had to kick it outside of the door so that I wouldn't lose my iPhone. It would melt, but this device I can go in the hottest sauna possible saunas and it just it works great. It looks like an Apple watch. It's a little bit uglier. I mean, just being like

• 38:46Speaker 03

  real talk, it's it's ugly. It's not the it's not the

• 38:49Tim Ferriss?

  It's not that bad. You're a watch snob.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you're

• 38:53Tim Ferriss?

  I'm sorry. You have high standards.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, so typically I wear a mechanical watch on my nine to five at Hodinkee, but this for me, it does what I want it to do in that for me, I want heart rate tracking. I want sleep tracking. I want long battery life. So it has a five day battery, which is awesome. And then I can recharge it when I'm at work.

• 39:12Tim Ferriss?

  What is the name of this model?

• 39:13Speaker 03

  Fitbit Blaze. So it's $199. And like I said before, when I'm doing stuff in the sauna, it's essential because I can track just the time. And when I leave the sauna or I get off the treadmill, if I'm doing, you know, interval training or weights or whatever, I can hit pause. So I can track the total amount of time. It syncs back to the app. I get charts and graphs back in the app. I don't know. It's just like, I know that you know, you and I both have a lot of of fans that tend to love all things health and fitness. I would say out of all the health and fitness bands out there, this is probably the best one.

• 39:48Tim Ferriss?

  And it was it was cool to observe your heart rate change as we went from one temperature to another, or even in the case of when we were sitting in the hottest kind of Gulag torture chamber version of a sauna, when we were on the top step with the sort of stone masoned, I don't even know what you would call it oven.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like a big oven.

• 40:16Tim Ferriss?

  Literally felt like my ears are being crisped like, you know, pork rinds. When you poured the water over yourself, we could watch your temperature drop, just plummet, or your heart rate, excuse me, plummet on your watch. It was really cool to watch how it oscillated.

• 40:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. So when you go into exercise mode, it keeps the heart rate kind of front and center on the on the device. So you can just flick your wrist up and you can see instantly what your heart rate is. And when you're sitting there in this like extreme heat. The water that they they pump into the actual place into buckets is freezing cold.

• 40:54Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, it's super.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  And so I just dumped it over my head and I'm sitting there 130 beats a minute. And you see drop down to 125, 120, 115, 110, and it's just like it plummets. And it's fun to watch. And then also when we did the the freezing ice bath, same thing. I was like hovering around 100 before I went in and then, you know, down to mid 70s. Once I'm in the in the ice water. So I don't know, for people that are geeks like myself or you, like I I told you when we were leaving, I said, you should buy one of these because they're just great to have when you're working out. You don't have to wear it all the time. And the sleep data is great, too. So I use it for that. If I could, I can definitely see, you know, if I had too many cups of coffee the night before, I look at my sleep data and it's just like spiky.

• 41:38Tim Ferriss?

  What is it displaying, your movement?

• 41:40Speaker 03

  It displays movement, exactly. So you can see when you've had a big disturbance, like say you just get up to use the restroom or something.

• 41:47Tim Ferriss?

  Big disturbance in the forest.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  Disturbance.

• 41:49Tim Ferriss?

  Dropping a deuce after too many, too much fiber.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Exactly. I don't think that happens in the middle of the night. Who does it in the middle of the night?

• 41:56Tim Ferriss?

  I thought you were volunteering yourself.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  No, I was just saying like I sometimes you gotta get me to go pee real quick.

• 42:01Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, of course.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  But but moreover, it tracks kind of like your little micro movements. So you could, why are you laughing at me?

• 42:09Tim Ferriss?

  Big disturbance. You've been feeding me wine. I haven't had any booze for like four weeks. In any case.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  Are you serious? That's four weeks?

• 42:16Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah.

• 42:18Tim Ferriss?

  Actually, that's complete horseshit because I just kind of came back from having a lot of booze with a bunch of people. But.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  This has been 30 minutes.

• 42:24Tim Ferriss?

  I was having more lysine at the time, which affects ethanol metabolism in a very interesting way.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 42:31Tim Ferriss?

  Which is also my Five Bullet Friday, wink, wink.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  Do you have any of that on you right now?

• 42:34Tim Ferriss?

  I do not. I have it back at the hotel. In any case, sorry to interrupt.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  I don't have anything else to say. Just I thought it was a great device. I don't have any vested interest here. If you like it, buy it. It's ugly. It's $199. It's the best.

• 42:48Tim Ferriss?

  That should be the tagline. Ugly and incredibly useful. Exactly. I was really bummed out. I wanted to look like cooler, but it just doesn't. But I love Fitbit in general. Couple of random recommendations for folks. So I recently spent time in Yellowstone National Park. It was the first time I'd really spent a lot of time there, which spans across three states. Montana, the vast majority in Montana, some in Wyoming, and then a tiny percentage, one or two percent in Idaho. And just had the most unbelievably

• 43:21Tim Ferriss?

  connected and

• 43:25Tim Ferriss?

  beautiful tour of Yellowstone via sort of cutting edge snowmobile, which is very quiet, in fact. Oh, is it electric? It's not electric, but very, very quiet. And it's the only way that you can take tours through Yellowstone is to be with a guide who's certified. And so I wanted to recommend, if you end up in Montana, I know this is a small percentage of you listening. If you haven't been to Montana, you should go anyway, end up in Bozeman, and then you can take a tour with Two Top Snowmobile Rental. Two Top Snowmobile Rental, and I recommend the full day tour if you can do it with a smaller group.

• 44:03Tim Ferriss?

  And Michelle was my guide, and she is amazing. She knew everything you could possibly want to know about geology, anthropology, animal movements. We saw bison, a coyote hunt. We saw red fox, we saw bald eagles. You hunted coyotes? No, that sounds weird. We saw a fox successfully, not a fox, coyote successfully pounce on the snow and push its paws through the permafrost. Did you see that coyote video I sent you where it got stuck? I did. So no, no, no. So its head didn't get stuck. It was literally pushing its head in the video you sent me through the snow to get to a weevil or some type of rodent. It was funny though, right? It was funny. It kind of ate you. Now, the coyote does the same thing, but because it has a higher body weight, it can use its paws to like pounce,

• 44:49Tim Ferriss?

  boom, caught what they call a pocket gopher, and then wagged its tail like a happy dog and pulled this thing out. It was sitting in its mouth. It was just incredible to watch. But the point being, also went, speaking of cold, for a dip. In the, I think it's the Firehole River where there's snow and ice, passed by a couple of bison, then went skinny dipping in this river for like five minutes. Had to be, I'm guessing, high 30s at, at best, but two top snowmobile rental, Michelle is fantastic. If you want to see her photographs taken in Yellowstone, you can see her on Instagram. I think it's at MTN, like Mountain Michelle, and she was just fantastic.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 45:28Tim Ferriss?

  Can't, can't say enough about her. I have two more things. Do you have anything else?

• 45:33Speaker 03

  I have one book, which we, it's a friend of ours.

• 45:36Tim Ferriss?

  Let, let me throw one out there then, which is related in terms of, of books and going not into the future as a technologist, but going very retro. And that is, I am beginning once again to, after many decades of not doing this, subscribing to print magazines. I am now-

• 45:59Speaker 03

  Also am I.

• 46:00Tim Ferriss?

  Really?

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Yes, I just, I just picked this up. Have you heard of this magazine? Hold on, I'm walking over.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  Have you heard of this?

• 46:07Tim Ferriss?

  Monocle.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:08Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah, I have.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  It's great.

• 46:10Tim Ferriss?

  It is a very good magazine. I am subscribing to Nat Geo, so National Geographic and Scientific American. And the reason being, when you read long form material on a computer, you are at the mercy of a distraction economy with push notifications,

• 46:29Speaker 03

  100% agree.

• 46:30Tim Ferriss?

  Social pushes.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  It's so weird. We're both getting into this right now.

• 46:33Tim Ferriss?

  You know what I mean?

• 46:33Speaker 03

  Dude, when I lay down at night, Daria will tell you, I have Monocle next to me, like a, a magazine or something or a book. And like, that's my new thing. It's my new jam. It's like, it's too easy to get distracted by tab browsing when you're in the browser.

• 46:46Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, it's, it's nearly impossible not to.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Email comes in.

• 46:49Tim Ferriss?

  You have literally billions of dollars going into studying how to prevent you from focusing.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  Right.

• 47:00Tim Ferriss?

  It's like, what's your budget? Certainly not billions of dollars if you're, if you're any normal person. Holy shit, dude, that's a heavy pour. Wow, that's a lot of wine. All right, here we go.

• 47:11Tim Ferriss?

  I think Kevin's about to roofie me. Everybody, you are my witness. But it's so, it's so relaxing and luxurious in a, in a time where you're bombarded by more information every day than you could possibly consume in a lifetime. To sit down and single task with a page that has no notifications. Yeah. It's so relaxing.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  Especially when you know that the people behind whatever you're picking up have spent, I mean, it just goes to our point of doing these once a, every so often newsletters or whatever. It's like, we spend a lot of time really thinking, what would people appreciate? What is high quality? And that, that's the same when it goes to print.

• 47:55Tim Ferriss?

  Doing the heavy lifting. And what blew me away, I'd never really read Scientific American until a few weeks ago. And I'll be honest, most pop science magazines, I find, uh, not pandering, they're, they're dumbed down to an extent that the science is compromised.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  It's like McNews, like USA Today.

• 48:14Tim Ferriss?

  That's right. Now, Scientific American, on the other hand, I picked this up and I read the, the reader responses.

• 48:22Tim Ferriss?

  These are letters who come in, hey, toast, uh, in response to previous articles. And the level of scientific literacy was so impressive to me that I read the rest of the magazine and.

• 48:35Speaker 03

  You ever read Nature?

• 48:37Tim Ferriss?

  I have read Nature.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  It's impossible to read.

• 48:39Tim Ferriss?

  It's dense, it's very dense. I mean, you need to be a scientist really to interpret that. But, uh, I found Scientific American to be a good stretch publication for me. Because it provides enough context that I can find a foothold to understand the majority of the conversation. But it also pushes me because it involves a lot of good scientists and science writers. And specifically, I was reading in this, uh, last issue about CRISPR, which is a gene editing tool and approach, uh, which allows precision and speed and cost efficiencies previously impossible. Uh, and you can literally.

• 49:19Tim Ferriss?

  Uses, I think it's, uh, feel free to veto me, Daria, if I say anything really stupid here, but I think it's a, a messenger RNA that basically lines up with specific base pairs of DNA, if you're looking for a specific gene, and you can knock it out, or you could knock something in.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  Wait, of your own genes?

• 49:38Tim Ferriss?

  Well, you could do it to yourself, that has a lot of risks.

• 49:40Speaker 03

  Really dangerous.

• 49:41Tim Ferriss?

  You could do it for your kids, also dangerous, or like ethically.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  Or your friend.

• 49:46Tim Ferriss?

  Ethically challenging, but right now they're using it in experimenting with it as it relates to agriculture, for instance, to make mushrooms that don't brown and get all slimy and gross, or that last at least a few weeks longer.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  This kind of stuff scares me.

• 50:02Tim Ferriss?

  Well, it's, now, I think that people have well-founded fears based on incorrect assumptions. So for instance, if you look at genetically modified foods, right, and people are like GMO, bad, oh my God, we're all gonna die, scary, scary, scary stuff. Usually what they're afraid of, if you drill down to it, is, is transgenic, uh, gene modification. In other words, they're taking like fish genes and putting it into wheat, or doing something really weird, and even I would say unnatural. In this particular case, using CRISPR, and of course, particularly since it will get to a point, or is at a point, where you can gene edit for a few hundred dollars. I mean, it is super inexpensive. I'm sure there will

• 50:41Tim Ferriss?

  be big messes that are created. However, the natural process of, say, plant hybridization, which is gene editing, is not a completely benign process. Like, it's actually a really brute force, inaccurate process. So, uh, and then there, there is a podcast, which I had, in full disclosure, I've not yet listened to, but it was tweeted out by Bill Gurley, one of the, I think, smartest VCs, venture capitalists out there.

• 51:08Speaker 03

  Brilliant.

• 51:08Tim Ferriss?

  Uh, the best podcast you will ever listen to, was his tweet, and it was a, it was a podcast, is a podcast about CRISPR, C-R-I-S-P-R, by Radiolab.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 51:21Tim Ferriss?

  So I wanted to throw that out there as well.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Cool. So, um, one thing for, on my side of, of the print, uh, equation, monocle, um, Definitely pick an issue up. You're gonna have to go to like a kind of like Barnes and Noble or something like one of those funky little.

• 51:37Tim Ferriss?

  Cigar shop.

• 51:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like cigar shop combo, like magazine combo, newspapers, like you know the shop I'm talking about.

• 51:45Tim Ferriss?

  Like the, like the Chinese variety store with the luggage and the little diver who's swimming around in a bucket.

• 51:51Speaker 03

  I've always wanted one of those.

• 51:52Tim Ferriss?

  Lottery tickets.

• 51:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, more or less. But monocle is great. It kinda, so this is the, the little subtext underneath monocle. It says, "Briefing on global affairs, business, culture, and design." And, you know, they come out with a new issue every month. It's just a fun read. So anyway, pick it up. Let me know if you like it. That is my take on the print side.

• 52:13Tim Ferriss?

  What are these fancy shoes that you're wearing?

• 52:15Speaker 03

  Uh, these are Nike shoes. They're those really thin soled, kind of like 3.0s, they're called. They're Nike training shoes.

• 52:24Tim Ferriss?

  Very colorful.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I actually, um, the ones I like even better, I linked in my last issue of the journal, wink.

• 52:31Tim Ferriss?

  No, I didn't do any affiliate codes like you do.

• 52:37Tim Ferriss?

  I offer non-affiliate codes. Don't be, don't cast stones in your glass house. So what's, um?

• 52:44Speaker 03

  Last book.

• 52:45Tim Ferriss?

  Well, no, hold on. So what, what were the shoes?

• 52:48Speaker 03

  Oh, they were just some Nike, uh, they were a combination. They were a running shoe, but they have enough width on them that I haven't showed them to you. They're not downstairs. I'll have to go show it to you in a minute. But they have enough width on them that you can actually lift weights and squat with them as well. So it's like a great, almost like a CrossFit style shoe. Um, they're amazing. If you read my entire newsletter, you'd know that.

• 53:09Tim Ferriss?

  CrossFit style shoe. Does it say?

• 53:12Tim Ferriss?

  Bro, do you even lift, bro? On the side?

• 53:14Speaker 03

  I don't do CrossFit. I'm not a CrossFit.

• 53:16Tim Ferriss?

  Clearly.

• 53:19Tim Ferriss?

  More Alexander technique?

• 53:21Speaker 03

  Are you kidding me? I'm, I still have bigger arms than you do.

• 53:23Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, you and your guns. I know, I'm surprised. You're like one of those genetically modified chickens with like huge breasts. I don't know how your feet keep you up.

• 53:31Speaker 03

  Why are you hating?

• 53:34Tim Ferriss?

  Because you're feeding me alcohol. I'm getting all, I'm getting all insecure and passive aggressive.

• 53:37Speaker 03

  If you didn't do roids, it's probably the roids video.

• 53:41Tim Ferriss?

  It's true. I have been growing horns, mostly growth hormone.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  This is when the podcast has totally went downhill.

• 53:46Tim Ferriss?

  Alpine goat growth hormone. I don't recommend that, folks. I'm not a doctor. I don't play one on the internet.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  All right, let's talk about our friend's book, Brodo.

• 53:55Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, yes, absolutely. All right. This is the last, this is the final.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  The final thing. So our friend Marco that you actually introduced me to, he runs a restaurant out here in New York City called Hearth. Phenomenal, like farm to table food, one of my favorite restaurants.

• 54:09Tim Ferriss?

  If you fly solo, or it's just two of you, sit at the pass if you can, meaning where you can watch all the food coming out.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's an awesome place. I think you'd agree. He also has a little window off to the side of the restaurant. That is a walk up window. So it's like one of those, it's almost like a coffee walk up little station facing the street. You walk up there and he makes Brodo and Brodo obviously means like bone broth. It's Italian for, for broth. And he makes these phenomenal combinations of like turkey and chicken and beef broths along with like onions and herbs. And he serves it in turmeric and, and he serves it in a, in a coffee cup. And so like you get like a to go afternoon treat that is just sipping broth.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  And it is awesome. It's ketogenic friendly. It's grass fed bones. And he has combinations. So one that you haven't heard of, that I, I just tried, I know this because I live here and you don't. Which I'm really stoked because when we lived in San Francisco, we couldn't find this stuff. He does a broth now with chocolate, like dark chocolate, pure dark chocolate and like coconut milk. Which is a really funky combination. Oh.

• 55:29Tim Ferriss?

  Is it all coagulated and unmixed and nasty or is it blended up?

• 55:34Speaker 03

  It's good, but the one that I tried last week, which was amazing was this chicken broth with like a chicken egg yolk in there.

• 55:42Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, that sounds amazing.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Like blended up with a couple of other spices, which was just phenomenal. So.

• 55:48Tim Ferriss?

  Do you, which now, what is your favorite broth so far?

• 55:51Speaker 03

  The Hearth broth.

• 55:52Tim Ferriss?

  But is it chicken, beef? What's your preference?

• 55:55Speaker 03

  The Hearth broth is the blend of all their broths. And so it's like a hybrid and then I add.

• 56:00Tim Ferriss?

  The animal, animal bone medley.

• 56:02Speaker 03

  I, I, yes, exactly. And I add the, um, the chili. He does this really, uh, babe, do you remember what chili it is? What chili he has in the broth, it's like a really spicy chili that he adds to the broth. Yeah, maybe Szechuan chili.

• 56:15Tim Ferriss?

  Szechuan cat chili?

• 56:16Speaker 03

  With bone marrow, and that's like my go-to. It's amazing. Um, anyway, long story short, you can only get this in New York, and I was really bummed when I lived in San Francisco because I couldn't find it anywhere else. And to make this stuff, you need a good recipe. And it's easy to do, and it's really cheap to do because you can buy bones for just dirt cheap from your butcher. Um, the book is called Brodo, B-R-O-D-O. It's on Amazon. Go buy it.

• 56:42Tim Ferriss?

  Last name Canora.

• 56:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:44Tim Ferriss?

  C-A-N-O-R-A. For those of you who read The Four Hour Chef, he popped up a lot. He was super helpful.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  So he, his book has all of his recipes in it. It's awesome. And he has, also does a bone broth fast in there, which is interesting. Um, it's, it's just, it's really cool stuff, and you will be blown away by the flavor of these broths. And it's really healthy for you, too. Maybe, I mean, do you know about why bone broth is so healthy for you? Can you speak to that?

• 57:08Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, boy.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  Because you get a lot of the nutrients right out of the actual marrow.

• 57:12Tim Ferriss?

  This is probably a better question for our resident scientist in the room, Daria, but.

• 57:16Speaker 03

  Do you want to talk about it for a second?

• 57:17Tim Ferriss?

  I would say, yeah, I mean, if you want to get into the whole bone broth

• 57:24Tim Ferriss?

  conversation, uh, what do you think? Uh, Daria, Nourishing Traditions, Sally Fallon, is that okay? Yeah, I would say Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon, which talks a lot about the observations of, uh, Dr. Weston Price, also very controversial, but I think Nourishing Traditions is a very good basic primer, or primer, on bone broth and whatnot. That, that's a very, very, uh, if you're gonna buy half a dozen cookbooks, I think Nourishing Traditions is one of those six.

• 57:56Speaker 03

  What did Weston Price have to say about it in his book?

• 58:00Tim Ferriss?

  I will default to Ms. Fallon and Nourishing Traditions.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  I was curious, because I love his other stuff on cod liver oil and things like that.

• 58:08Tim Ferriss?

  Well, I will say, speaking of cod liver oil, that after my podcast with Dominic D'Agostino, who's the scientist who's created some incredible exogenous-

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Dr. Dom.

• 58:21Tim Ferriss?

  Exactly.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  I love him. He was awesome.

• 58:23Tim Ferriss?

  He's amazing. He's so, so good. And for those people-

• 58:26Speaker 03

  He's got a great podcast, by the way.

• 58:28Tim Ferriss?

  Really?

• 58:28Speaker 03

  He's got his own podcast, but he only does about one episode so far.

• 58:31Tim Ferriss?

  He's so good. He's so, so good. Yeah, Dom is not only an incredible scientist who's created synthetic ketones for Navy SEALs and whatnot, funded by the DOD, and is a published researcher. He is also a beast of an athlete. I mean, the guy, I think-

• 58:46Speaker 03

  He's jacked.

• 58:47Tim Ferriss?

  He's so incredible. I mean, he did, I think it was a six-day fast, and then did like 500 pounds for 10 reps in the deadlift, just to prove that force production could be maintained after that type of fast. But the reason I bring him up is that he, I asked him what his breakfast looked like, and he's like, "Well, I have a can of sardines." And I was like, "Which sardines?" And then I have some oysters from a can. What kind of oysters? And I adopted his breakfast, and the sardines, this is a really weird thing, and I don't know if anybody here will have any theories as to why this is the case, but I started eating the sardines from, I want to say it's Wild Planet.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:21Tim Ferriss?

  And I noticed that my, two things started to happen. My teeth appeared whiter, and they started to remineralize, or appeared to remineralize, which makes some sense, because you're consuming the bones of the fish. In any case, that's become my go-to. When I travel, I literally travel with boxes of sardines if I'm going on extended trips.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  You want to hear something crazy? This is the honest-to-god truth. Your podcast came out the next day, no, two days later. I went to Whole Foods, and I was like, "Yeah, I'll do some of that. I'll get some sardines, blah, blah." Because you mentioned the brands, and you said they were at Whole Foods.

• 59:57Tim Ferriss?

  Yeah.

• 59:58Speaker 03

  Sold out. And you know that's never going to be the case with sardines. Like, it's like that's something that's a hot seller.

• 1:00:04Tim Ferriss?

  So funny you bring this up. I've heard the same thing from people in Austin, heard the same thing from people in multiple cities.

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  That's so crazy, dude. You are like a sardine, like, lady maker.

• 1:00:14Tim Ferriss?

  Sardine Oprah?

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're the sardine Oprah, dude. You should get that T-shirt. Tim Ferriss, Sardine Oprah.

• 1:00:22Tim Ferriss?

  I'm sure Oprah would love that. She'd be like, "Well, no, I'm not gonna do your podcast."

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 1:00:29Tim Ferriss?

  What else do we have? And actually, so you have some sardines here. You got a different brand.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was because all the others were sold out.

• 1:00:34Tim Ferriss?

  The Bela Portuguese Sardines. This is fun. We should have more wine.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  It's dinner time. Let's do it.

• 1:00:42Tim Ferriss?

  Any closing thoughts?

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, just, uh, thanks for, uh, listening. Uh, check out, uh, thejournal.e-mail on the internet and please sign up. Um, I guarantee you, I put a lot of time and effort into putting together the best stuff for you guys to enjoy, so thank you. Oh, my wife's podcast!

• 1:01:01Tim Ferriss?

  Oh, yeah. For sure. Shoot.

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, we gotta plug my wife's podcast. So, uh, my wife, Daria Rose, is a PhD in neuroscience. She has an awesome podcast.

• 1:01:12Tim Ferriss?

  Super baller scientist.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  Uh, super baller scientist. Um, the Foodist Podcast. Uh, you can just go onto iTunes and search Foodist Podcast. I guess Foodist, F-O-O-D-I-S-T, and then Daria Rose, and it'll come up. But she's, uh, interviewing a lot of really awesome guests and she, uh, talks to people about how they've made changes to their habits and their lifestyle for the better, to lose weight, to be healthier. Um, a lot of great information on there and how you can, uh, come up with healthy habits and, and make great life changes for yourself.

• 1:01:43Tim Ferriss?

  So, support Dar Dar. Check it out. And as always, folks, the show notes, links to various things that we have mentioned will be available in the show notes at fourhourworkweek.com/podcast. And if you would like to get my random musings and craziness, my favorite five things that I find each week, just go to fourhourworkweek.com/friday and knock yourselves out. And that is it for now. At Kevin Rose.

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  At Kevin Rose on Twitter.

• 1:02:13Tim Ferriss?

  At T Ferris.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Oh, at H-I-H-I-K Rose on Snapchat. Follow me up on Snapchat.

• 1:02:20Tim Ferriss?

  Lots of dick pics from Kevin.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  I mean, they come every single day.

• 1:02:24Tim Ferriss?

  They're every other hour. It's incredible.

• 1:02:28Tim Ferriss?

  I think that's a good place to end before we incriminate ourselves any further.

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  More wine.

• 1:02:31Tim Ferriss?

  Thanks for listening. Bye.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 1:02:38Tim Ferriss?

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• 1:03:21Tim Ferriss?

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• 1:04:38Tim Ferriss?

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• 1:05:20Tim Ferriss?

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• 1:06:48Tim Ferriss?

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