Pod Insights Throughline The Rise of the Right Wing in Israel About this episode Israel and Hamas have agreed to a plan to end fighting in Gaza, just over two years after the Hamas-led attack on Israel on October 7th, 2023 and Israel’s subsequent bombardment and invasion of Gaza. As we wait to see what happens next, we’re revisiting our episodes looking at the history of major players on both sides of the conflict. Last week, we looked at the history of Hamas; if you missed that, go back and check it out. This week, we’re bringing you the story of the rise of right wing politics in Israel and President Benjamin Netanyahu’s political career. This episode first ran in 2024.
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0:17 Speaker 01 Israel and Hamas have agreed to a plan to end fighting in Gaza just over two years after the Hamas-led attack on Israel on October 7th, 2023, and Israel's subsequent bombardment and invasion of Gaza. Since the agreement was announced, Israel's military has pulled back its forces. Hamas has released all remaining living hostages, and Israel has freed Palestinian prisoners. As we wait to see what happens next, we are bringing you episodes looking at the history of major players on both sides of the conflict. Last week, we ran our episode on the history of Hamas. If you missed that, go back and check it out for sure. This week, we're revisiting our episode
1:01 Speaker 01 on the rise of right-wing politics and Benjamin Netanyahu's political career, which we first ran in 2024.
1:27 Speaker 01 On October 5th, 1995, tens of thousands of Israelis crowded the streets of Jerusalem. They began in Midtown and marched towards the doors of the Knesset, where Israel's parliament meets.
1:41 Speaker 02 It's not Mr. Rabin that we knew in the past, entirely different men.
1:48 Speaker 01 The former Defense Minister Ariel Sharon was there, along with the rest of the demonstrators, to protest Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who negotiated and signed the Oslo Accords, a peace deal with Palestinians, a peace deal these demonstrators viewed as a national betrayal.
2:08 Speaker 02 A weak man, a man that gave up not only the basic elements of Zionism and gave up to a terrorist organization.
2:20 Speaker 03 It was a very dangerous and radical moment. There was, you know, palpable sense of violence.
2:24 Speaker 01 This is Sarah Yael Hershorn. She's a historian and visiting professor at the University of Haifa and fellow at the Jewish People Policy Institute.
2:35 Speaker 03 Israel is at the brink of a civil war.
2:38 Speaker 01 The Oslo Deal was very controversial in Israel because it would have required concessions, like withdrawing Israeli security forces from the West Bank in Gaza and transferring authority over occupied territories to Palestinian control. Concessions many saw as opening the door to a Palestinian state. The country's conservative party, Likud, opposed it immediately, and other right-wing parties agreed. Their anger towards Prime Minister Rabin came out in shocking ways.
3:12 Speaker 01 They chanted, "In blood and fire, we will expel Rabin." They carried massive signs with disturbing images of Rabin on them.
3:20 Speaker 04 You have photographs of Rabin, you know, that have been doctored so that he appears to either be in a Nazi uniform or looking like Arafat, you know, with the kefir around his head and, you know, and the kind of fatigues.
3:35 Speaker 01 This is Natasha Roth Rowland. She's the Director of Research and Analysis at Diaspora Alliance, an international organization that combats antisemitism.
3:47 Speaker 04 There is an equivalency that is being drawn by the Israeli right between Nazis and Palestinians, which is, you know, has long predated that and continues to this day.
4:07 Speaker 01 When demonstrators reached Jerusalem Zion Square, politicians and activists spoke to them from a makeshift stage on the third-floor balcony of a hotel. One of those speakers was a rising politician named Benjamin Netanyahu.
4:23 Speaker 05 I'm saying this to the government of Israel, which is bowing down to this man.
4:34 Speaker 04 He does give this speech from the balcony of a Jerusalem hotel overlooking Zion Square, where all of this incredibly inciting language against Rabin is taking place.
4:52 Speaker 01 In the speech, Netanyahu called Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat a bloody man. The crowd cheered. He accused Yitzhak Rabin's government of bowing down to Arafat, and then he said something ominous.
5:17 Speaker 01 "We are here because we will never allow Jerusalem to be divided anew." In other words, Netanyahu was saying, "We will not allow Rabin to turn over East Jerusalem to Palestinian rule as part of the Oslo Accords."
5:36 Speaker 01 The crowd chanted Netanyahu's nickname, Bibi, as he worked them into a fervor with his fiery language.
5:43 Speaker 03 It seems, you know, it's a kind of incitement to violence.
5:46 Speaker 01 An incitement that Netanyahu has denied.
5:49 Speaker 03 It was a major moment in Israeli history. It's the time we've, you know, sort of betrothed Netanyahu's arrival on the political stage in a certain way, but also his understanding of appealing to the logic of the mob or the logic of the crowd.
6:05 Speaker 01 About one month after that demonstration in Jerusalem, a rally was held in Israel's second-largest city, Tel Aviv, in support of the Oslo Accords. The keynote speaker was Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.
6:22 Speaker 01 I want to thank each and every person here taking a stand against violence and for peace. This is the last speech Rabin would ever give.
6:52 Speaker 06 Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin has been killed.
6:55 Speaker 07 At 11:10 PM.
6:56 Speaker 06 Rabin was shot to death as he was leaving a peace rally in Tel Aviv.
7:00 Speaker 07 He was hit by three bullets in his chest and his abdomen.
7:04 Speaker 06 An eyewitness to the shooting said Rabin was coming down a set of stairs and when three shots rang out, the eyewitness said Rabin doubled over, holding his stomach, and fell to the ground, who said that he covered in blood.
7:15 Speaker 04 Rabin is assassinated by a young man called Yigal Amir.
7:21 Speaker 01 Yigal Amir.
7:22 Speaker 06 An Israeli Jew, a man in his twenties.
7:25 Speaker 03 It's like the JFK moment for Israel. Where were you when Rabin was assassinated? And, you know, where were you on the political spectrum when Rabin was assassinated?
7:33 Speaker 01 Yitzhak Rabin's widow blamed Netanyahu and other right-wing leaders for stoking the flames of violence that took her husband's life.
7:41 Speaker 03 You know, some ready to, you know, the future assassin of Yitzhak Rabin, you know, sees this as almost a coded message to himself to act on some kind of moral or God-given imperative to assassinate the prime minister.
7:54 Speaker 04 Netanyahu doesn't really take responsibility. The Israeli right doesn't take responsibility. There's a lot of prevarication about who said what and who was really responsible for Rabin's murder.
8:09 Speaker 01 Benjamin Netanyahu later said he did not see any posters of Rabin wearing a Nazi uniform or a kaffiyah, and that he never intended to inspire his killing. But one thing was clear: Rabin's assassination showed how deep the anger and rage towards the peace deal with Palestinians was among the right wing of Israel's politics.
8:31 Speaker 03 The fact that this assassination was perpetrated not by, you know, a Palestinian terrorist or, you know, someone sent from the Arab world to, you know, do a hit on the Israeli prime minister, but by a fellow Jew and was, you know, totally shocking to a country and ripped the country apart.
8:51 Speaker 08 I miss this brave man with whom I had signed the peace of the brave.
9:04 Speaker 08 He was a man who can respect his paradorner.
9:10 Speaker 01 This is the voice of Yasser Arafat, the leader of the Palestine Liberation Organization, or PLO, reflecting on Yitzhak Rabin, the man who he'd signed the Oslo Accords with in 1993 and 1995, the man he accepted a Nobel Peace Prize with in 1994. Although the deal was criticized as imperfect by some on both sides, it did represent hope and a path forward, a measure of basic respect. But the right wing in Israel, who called Rabin a Nazi and the traitor, did not see it this way. They saw a peace deal as surrender.
9:46 Speaker 03 People really felt that there were possibilities in the air, that there was going to be a real peace with Israelis and Palestinians. People were legitimately enthusiastic and hopeful, and that, it's gone. It is something that's really difficult to make people understand, but is really important, you know, context for everything that's happened since 1995.
10:10 Speaker 01 The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin was a major turning point for a right-wing movement in Israel that had been growing for decades. A movement that uses a religious framework to define the state and its borders and resists a two-state solution with Palestinians. For most of its early history, Israel was dominated by left-leaning secular politicians. But today, the right is in power through the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Where did the right-wing movement in Israel come from? How did it start? And how did it make it to the seat of power? That's coming up.
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12:13 Speaker 11 Part One, Never Again.
12:20 Speaker 01 In 1967, after years of tension with its Arab neighbors, Israel launched a daring simultaneous preemptive strike on Syria and Egypt. Israel emerged victorious after only six days, and in the process, gained control over Gaza and the West Bank. The six-day war shocked the Arab world and completely changed the geopolitical reality of the Middle East for decades.
12:51 Speaker 01 Meanwhile, across the Atlantic Ocean in the US, the student protest and civil rights movements were at their height.
13:01 Speaker 01 In 1968, in New York, in the midst of this tidal wave of radical politics, a new organization formed for the rights of Jewish people in the US and abroad. The group was called the Jewish Defense League, or JDL, and it had a particular interest in the plight of Jews in the Soviet Union, who were often mistreated and had few places to worship safely.
13:30 Speaker 01 The JDL popularized the phrase "never again", referring to the Holocaust. It became their rallying cry.
13:37 Speaker 04 The idea is to kind of represent Jews as, you know, a people that can defend themselves.
13:43 Speaker 01 This is Natasha Roth Rowland again.
13:45 Speaker 04 And not like a people who, quote unquote, went like sheep to the slaughter in the Holocaust.
13:49 Speaker 01 The JDL's founder and leader was a 35-year-old rabbi from Brooklyn, Meir Kahane.
13:55 Speaker 12 We will do exactly what we have been doing until every Jew within the USSR who wants to go free will be free.
14:03 Speaker 03 He draws heavily from Black Power and thinking about, you know, Jewish power in the United States and how that should function.
14:09 Speaker 01 Sarah Yehel-Hershern again.
14:11 Speaker 03 And he becomes kind of a cult figure in New York, you know, with his own Jewish activist seed.
14:22 Speaker 01 Meir Kahane was born in Brooklyn in 1932 in a tight-knit Jewish family. His father was a rabbi. The idea of Zionism, that Jews should have their homeland in Palestine, was a part of his life from a young age. But his family had a particular interpretation of Zionism that would shape his future.
14:42 Speaker 03 He grows up in a revisionist Zionist home in America.
14:45 Speaker 01 Revisionist Zionism is the belief that Israel should exist as an exclusively Jewish state on both sides of the Jordan River. That would mean Israel's official borders include the West Bank and Gaza Strip, which are internationally recognized Palestinian lands. As a teenager, Kahane became a militant activist after several Brooklyn synagogues were graffitied with swastikas.
15:09 Speaker 04 In his teenage years, he joined an organization called Betar. Betak emulated fascist movements that were around it in the interwar period in Europe, you know, when fascism really sprung up. And when I say emulated, I mean in terms of their aesthetics. You know, they wore brown shirts, you know, they kind of glorified militarism and youth and violence, very, very anti-left, anti-socialist. And they, you know, they kind of pioneered this vision of Greater Israel going in beyond the West Bank and kind of into the rest of the Middle East. So he subscribes to that ideology.
15:50 Speaker 12 Those who commit violence against Jews within their borders can fully expect, and rightly so, violence in return.
16:00 Speaker 04 The Jewish Defense League kind of graduates, if you will, into terrorism. They start attacking Soviet targets in New York and Arab targets in New York because of antisemitism in the Soviet Union against Jews and because of obviously the Israel-Palestine conflict as well.
16:13 Speaker 13 Three members of the militant Jewish Defense League, including Mayor Kahane, pleaded guilty today to charges of conspiring to build explosives and transport them across state lines. Kahane admitted to the court he directed the making of bombs because he wanted to illustrate what effects bombs have.
16:33 Speaker 01 Seeing the writing on the wall, in 1971, Kahane fled to Israel.
16:39 Speaker 04 He's essentially outrunning his legal troubles in New York.
16:42 Speaker 01 It was just four years after the Six-Day War, a time where Israel was unofficially expanding its borders, with its citizens moving into the occupied West Bank and Gaza, building communities, towns, suburbs, settlements.
16:58 Speaker 04 He arrives in Israel at a time when the religious far-right in the country is really taking off because of that, because there is this perception that this victory in the Six-Day War and the fact that Israelis were able to go Back to these incredibly important religious sites that were scattered throughout the West Bank, from Hebron to parts of East Jerusalem.
17:20 Speaker 01 Kahane continued his activism in Israel, but he also formed his own political party.
17:25 Speaker 04 He establishes a political party called Kach.
17:28 Speaker 01 Kach.
17:29 Speaker 04 Which means das, which has basically a pretty openly fascist political manifesto that it campaigns on.
17:36 Speaker 14 I've always said that Western democracy is incompatible with Zionism.
17:41 Speaker 04 He wants a theocracy. Basically, he wants complete segregation between Jews and Arabs from separate beaches, separate schools. He wants to criminalize sexual and romantic relationships between Jews and Palestinians.
17:57 Speaker 14 The tragedy of Jewish girls, 4,000 Jewish women today married to Muslims. The prostitutes of Israel are overwhelmingly Jewish, and the pimps are overwhelmingly Arabs. And this is the Jewish state?
18:12 Speaker 03 So they stood for Jewish militancy and deriding the secular Zionist tradition for its lack of militancy and even for inadequately representing the true spirit of Judaism.
18:27 Speaker 15 No guilt. The country is ours every inch of it, every centimeter of it. No guilt. It's our country. It's not theirs. There is no Palestine, no Palestinians. There never was, there never will be. They're ours and let them all live in Jordan.
18:44 Speaker 01 In the 1970s, Kahane's ideas were seen as extreme by most Israelis. The Kach party was not able to win any seats in the Knesset. See, since 1948, Israeli politics had been dominated by the secular left-leaning Labor Party, the exact people Kahane opposed. But in 1977, a political earthquake would happen in Israel that would alter the country's political landscape forever.
19:15 Speaker 16 Last night, the conservative Likud Party, headed by Menachem Begin, swept to victory. Begin defeated Shimon Peres and his Labour Party, which has dominated Israeli politics for 29 years.
19:27 Speaker 17 So 1977 was, without doubt, within Israeli politics, a pivotal milestone year.
19:34 Speaker 01 This is Amjad Eraki, former senior editor at Plus 972 Magazine and a Palestinian citizen of Israel, currently based in London.
19:44 Speaker 17 But it was also very much the beginning of what ended up becoming a constant shift towards the Zionist right.
19:52 Speaker 03 What sets the opposition apart was first Menachem Begin's legacy as the heir apparent of a kind of Zionism that saw Israel in eternal war with its enemies in the region and the necessity to take a very hawkish position towards Israel's future in the region and certainly towards peace negotiations or towards accommodating Israel's neighbors.
20:17 Speaker 01 This is how Menachem Begin's Likud Party 1977 platform begins. "The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace. Therefore, Judea and Samaria, which is the biblical name for the West Bank that's used by right-wing Israelis who claim the territories, will not be handed to any foreign administration. Between the sea and the Jordan, there will only be Israeli sovereignty."
20:49 Speaker 16 Begin adamantly opposes the return of the occupied West Bank to Arab control.
20:54 Speaker 01 Begin found support for this hard-line platform by appealing to revisionist Zionists, many of whom were settlers, and to the Mizrahi Jews, Israelis whose families originally came from the Middle East and North Africa, a group who'd long felt oppressed by Israeli society and excluded from its politics.
21:12 Speaker 03 These were Jews who came from Arab lands and then saw the enmity of the Arab countries. And many of them were very attracted to hawkish ideas about-- The way Zionism should oppose Arab nationalism and Arab power, because they frankly had fled the Arab world because of that and saw Begin's party as being a place where maybe they belonged. So Begin was able to mobilize them. And it really made a huge difference in Israeli politics.
21:38 Speaker 01 With this major victory in 1977, the Likud Party had given voice to right wing views that had long been on the outside looking in.
21:47 Speaker 04 There was a shift in terms of how these parties talked about what to do with the Palestinians in their midst, particularly the Likud had a much more direct way of talking about settlement.
22:02 Speaker 01 This is what the 1977 Likud Party platform says about settlements. Settlement, both urban and rural, in all parts of the land of Israel, is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas, and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit.
22:25 Speaker 04 Right wing religious settlers take it upon themselves to really push deeper and deeper into the West Bank and to settle areas that the Labour government initially wouldn't.
22:34 Speaker 03 Generally, because of Menachem Begin's hawkish orientation and belief that peace with the Arab world was not going to come about soon. And in any case, it would be valuable, you know, down the road, perhaps, to trade land for peace. Begin himself is able to institutionalize these ideas in ways that hadn't been a part of the Israeli agenda before.
22:56 Speaker 01 The emergence of a right wing government was seen by many in the revisionist Zionist community as a major victory. But Mayor Kahane was skeptical. He continued to push his extreme views. And in 1979, when Begin signed a peace deal with Egypt and started to entertain compromises with the Palestinians, Kahane felt the Likud government had betrayed the country.
23:18 Speaker 14 The question of the Arabs is something which no party, neither left nor right, neither...
23:25 Speaker 14 A Rabiner Begin is willing to deal with this greatest of all problems. The Arabs are not equal citizens here.
23:32 Speaker 03 In the early 1980s is the same time the mayor Kahane is really, you know, trying to find his footing is the time where religious settlers decide that the government isn't doing enough and in fact betraying the cause of the settler movement to further the expansionist and hawkish causes, even the aspiration to, you know, make Israel into more of a theocratic state.
23:54 Speaker 01 Menachem Begin, for his part, considered Kahane dangerous, calling him a crazy man. And Kahane was actually jailed for six months for his alleged plan to put bombs on buses in Hebron in 1980.
24:07 Speaker 14 If it is necessary to save Jewish lives, to kill Arabs, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment, not for a moment.
24:21 Speaker 01 Still, Kahane didn't stop. He got out of prison and kept running for office. And in 1984, one year after an aging Begin left office, Kahane finally won a seat in the Knesset, Israel's parliament, by taking a page out of Begin's own playbook.
24:40 Speaker 03 He, like Begin, turns to other disenfranchised groups, immigrants who haven't found an outlet in party politics and were looking to maybe associate with something that was a little bit more radical.
24:51 Speaker 04 And I think for American listeners, it's helpful to think about this in comparison with the Trump phenomenon. And so you have this very disaffected group that Kahane, even though he himself is not Mizrahi, he's able to tap into that sense of grievance and says to them, basically, you have a role to play in this country. The authorities have excluded you, the state looks down on you, society looks down on you, but I'm here to tell you that you are important, you have a role to play. And in my movement, I will make sure that you get to experience that level of belonging.
25:28 Speaker 04 And importance in this national religious project.
25:32 Speaker 03 Kahane transforms the Israeli political scene, bringing this Jewish militancy message and xenophobic attitude towards the Arab community and even aspirations for a Jewish theological state into Israeli party politics as kind of a one-man show in the Knesset in 1984.
25:49 Speaker 01 Kahane had finally started to gain some popular support. He was on the rise. But right in the middle of it all, his party, Kach, was banned from elections by a vote in the Knesset.
26:01 Speaker 04 The ostensible reason for this is because he was running on an anti-democratic and racist platform. But actually, the parties that initiated Kach's ban on the right, including the KuD, they're worried that he was going to cannibalize their share of votes. So they kind of removed him as a threat.
26:20 Speaker 18 The founder of the Jewish Defense League was assassinated in New York City last night. Mayor Kahane had just finished speaking to a Zionist group in a Midtown Manhattan hotel when he was gunned down.
26:31 Speaker 01 Two years later, in 1990, Mayor Kahane was murdered by an Egyptian-American man. But neither his death nor the outlawing of the Kach party could stop the spread of his ideas. Kahane's ideology came to be known as Kahaneism, and he'd already inspired the next generation of leaders, like a teenage activist who was in the crowd at that rally against Rabin in 1995.
27:05 Speaker 01 Coming up, how Itamar Ben-Gavir, Israel's current Minister of National Security, carried the Kahane's torch into the future.
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28:42 Speaker 11 Part Two. We Can Get to Him.
29:08 Speaker 01 It is 1995. We are back at that rally in Jerusalem where Benjamin Netanyahu gave a fiery speech against Yitzhak Rabin and the Oslo Accords, the rally that some point to as inciting the violence that led to Rabin's assassination. In the crowd was a 19-year-old man, an activist, who would go on to become one of Israel's most powerful politicians. His name: Itamar Ben-Gavir.
29:37 Speaker 04 He really first came to infamy in 1995 during protests against the Oslo Accords. And during one of these protests, Israeli right-wing activists yanked the ornament off the hood of Rabin's car. And there is a television interview of Itamar Ben-Gavir holding this ornament up to the camera and saying, you know, if we can get to Rabin's car, we can also get to Rabin.
30:12 Speaker 01 That video of Ben-Gavir holding up Rabin's hood ornament thrust him into the public eye. A few weeks later, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a far-right extremist.
30:27 Speaker 01 Idamar Ben-Gavir was born in the suburbs of Jerusalem in 1976, a year before Menachem Begin's political earthquake. Ben-Gavir's parents were Mizrahi Jews with Kurdish and Iraqi ancestry. He grew up in a conservative household that supported both the Likud and Labor Parties. His early activism was tied to the settlement movement, a movement that was going through its own internal tensions.
30:54 Speaker 03 Should the aspiration be where people are going to live in bougie settlements and that satisfy, you know, the requirements of living in the whole of the land of Israel while still having a shopping mall down the street? Or is this a fringe movement that is, you know, engaged in essentially open warfare against a state that isn't doing enough to make Israel into a more of a theocratic state?
31:17 Speaker 01 It was also the moment when tensions between Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories were about to erupt.
31:29 Speaker 20 Fighting began after four workers from the Israeli occupied Gaza Strip were killed when their car collided with an Israeli army truck.
31:37 Speaker 01 In December of 1987, the first Intifada, or Palestinian uprising, began.
31:43 Speaker 06 Palestinian violence seems motivated by despair.
31:46 Speaker 21 It was not just to build up a frustration among West bankers and Gazans at the lack of political progress or the lack of social services.
31:53 Speaker 01 The first Intifada was fueled by Palestinian frustrations against Israel's occupation and the expansion of settlements. It lasted almost six years. It's when Hamas, the current ruling government in Gaza, was born and was marked by sporadic attacks on Israeli targets. This was also when Itamar Ben-Gavir became radicalized and joined with the Knah Party and the Khanis Movement. Itamar Ben-Gavir's views were so extreme so early on that they kept him out of Israel's mandatory military service. He would rack up a ton of arrests. He's been indicted over 50 times and was found guilty of carrying a sign that said, "Expel the Arab Enemy."
32:38 Speaker 01 He has been convicted of inciting racism and supporting a terrorist organization. And a lot of this was happening during the second Intifada that began in 2000.
32:48 Speaker 03 The second Intifada was, you know, a terrible time in Israel where buses were blowing up, you know, on every street corner. You never knew when you got on a bus, is today going to be the day that, you know, you're on your way to work or school or, you know, to visit a friend and a bus is going to blow up?
33:04 Speaker 01 As the cycle of violence intensified, and after defending himself so many times in court, Ben-Gavir decided to go to law school.
33:13 Speaker 03 His first part of his career was defending settler terrorists. Then he runs for the Knesset. All this time, you know, he is bringing with him this legacy as a youth activist, deeply involved in Khanism and radical politics in the settlements.
33:29 Speaker 17 And he was just always seen as this random, as this random fanatic in many respects.
33:34 Speaker 01 This is Amjad Iraqi again.
33:36 Speaker 17 But the scene slowly started to evolve that allowed him to not only become legitimate...
33:43 Speaker 17 Allow them to be seen as someone who actually has rational thought, as someone whose ideas, whose political ideas actually have a rational place in our spectrum.
33:59 Speaker 01 This is Ben Gavir in a 1994 interview saying, "I think if settlements are dismantled in the West Bank and Gaza, blood will spill."
34:08 Speaker 04 And he ends up at the head of a party called Otma Yehudit, which means Jewish Power.
34:14 Speaker 01 Jewish Power is a far-right party that advocates for deportation of Palestinians. It's a descendant of the Kahach Party. Ben Gavir has led the Jewish Power Party since 2019. Until recently, he kept a picture in his living room of Baruch Goldstein, an American-Israeli settler who massacred 29 Palestinians in Hebron in the 90s.
34:45 Speaker 01 Today, everyone also understands that running away brings war, that if we don't want to be there again, we have to return home and rule the territory and indeed propose a moral, logical, and advantageous solution encouraging immigration and the death penalty for terrorists.
35:11 Speaker 01 There has been increasing violence and an increasing inability to reach any kind of resolution. Has that opened up the door for the message, an extreme message like the one from Kahana or Ben Gavir or many other right-wing Zionists, to find a place in the mainstream discourse?
35:30 Speaker 04 Yes, definitely. We can really think about it as the post Oslo generation. After the Oslo Accords, what it essentially did was it hermetically sealed off many, many Palestinians from meeting Israelis just in the course of day-to-day life. And so the only encounters that you really had were between Palestinians in the West Bank and Israeli soldiers or Israeli settlers. What you have is two populations that are kind of sealed off from one another. It's hard to really communicate the extent of just the everyday grinding violence that the occupation demands.
36:11 Speaker 04 And it's everything from extreme levels of surveillance to checkpoints, to segregation, to structural violence, keeping Palestinians penned in in ever smaller areas of land. You have a wholesale internalization of the idea that this kind of violence is not only normal, is not only acceptable, but is actually justifiable and is righteous. You should not feel bad for accepting this kind of violence or instituting this kind of violence, because actually, when you do so, you are doing it for love of your people and love of your country. That message is going to resonate.
37:00 Speaker 01 Coming up, Itamar Ben-Gavir brings Kahaneism into the highest levels of government after the prime minister comes calling.
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38:43 Speaker 11 Part Three: The Rise of Netanyahu.
38:52 Speaker 23 Do the Palestinians have a right to a separate state?
38:57 Speaker 24 No, I don't think they do, but I think that it's quite instructive that the Palestinians who are invoking the right of self-determination, which is an attribute for separate nations, themselves are the ones who define themselves as part of the Arab nation.
39:14 Speaker 01 This is a 28-year-old Benjamin Netanyahu on a TV debate show called The Advocate. It was 1978, and back then he went by the name Ben Natai.
39:26 Speaker 23 Mr. Natai is a graduate of MIT. He is an Israeli, and he is a man who has written widely on this question before the House tonight.
39:40 Speaker 01 That question was, should the United States support self-determination for Palestinians in a Middle East peace settlement? Here was Netanyahu's answer.
39:50 Speaker 24 I think the United States should oppose the creation of a Palestinian state for several reasons. The first one being that it is unjust to demand the creation of a 22nd Arab state and a second Palestinian state at the expense of the only Jewish state.
40:05 Speaker 01 Even in his 20s, Netanyahu emerged as an effective spokesman for conservative Israeli politics in the US, including the mention of a second Palestinian state, since many right-wing Israelis argue that Jordan already exists as a Palestinian state. Netanyahu's role as a conservative spokesman may not be a surprise when you consider the world and the family he was born into.
40:32 Speaker 03 Benjamin Netanyahu had been known to Israeli politics because his father was a key figure in the revisionist Zionist movement. He was not well accepted by Israeli, you know, Israeli labor government leaders or by Israeli socialist society and always been sort of on the margins of both an academic career and a political trajectory.
40:53 Speaker 01 Benjamin Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv in 1949, just over a year after Israel's creation. But when he was a teenager, his family moved to Pennsylvania when his father took a job there as a professor.
41:06 Speaker 04 He had much of his education in the United States, and that's important because it gave him a particular kind of political approach that has proved very, very successful in Israel. And he also speaks very good English, which is really, really considered a boon in Israel. And not just for speaking to the outside world, but it's just kind of, there's like a cachet that comes with it.
41:29 Speaker 01 He returned to Israel after high school to join the military. He eventually became a special forces soldier and saw combat action in the 1973 Yom Kippur War. After the war, he returned to the US.
41:42 Speaker 03 And reinvents himself as kind of a political commentator and, you know, security expert and other guises, I guess.
41:50 Speaker 01 He served several posts in the US for the Israeli government, including at the Israeli Embassy.
41:56 Speaker 04 They're really fine tuned the message that he likes to deliver to the outside world about why Israeli politics is the way it is and why Israel has to treat the Palestinians the way that it does, which is that Israel is this kind of last outpost of quote unquote Western civilization and that it's, you know, the last line of defense between Europe and the Middle East.
42:22 Speaker 01 Netanyahu returned to Israel with deep connections in the US and a renewed sense of purpose. He jumped straight into politics, getting involved with the conservative Likud Party.
42:33 Speaker 04 He climbs the ladder in Likud and he wins the chair of the party in the mid 1990s.
42:46 Speaker 03 Netanyahu, who was always very savvy to the pulse of the Israeli public, you know, really understands that the 1990s is a moment where Israel is at the brink of the civil war.
43:11 Speaker 01 And so, when he delivers his rousing speech at that 1995 rally in Jerusalem against Oslo and Yitzhak Rabin, he has his own political ambitions in mind.
43:22 Speaker 04 This is something that he knows will draw a political base toward him, will help a right-wing political base consolidate around him.
43:33 Speaker 01 Netanyahu was right. It worked.
43:37 Speaker 04 And sets about campaigning for prime minister at the elections that follow Rabin's assassination. And by the way, in his campaigns for the prime ministership, he actually enlists the support of American Jewish political advisers who were advising various GOP candidates. So there's this kind of importing of American political tactics into Israel, which are very much about the individual. It's about the personality. And you know Netanyahu kind of leans into that.
44:09 Speaker 01 He ran on a platform of economic reform and promised to oppose a Palestinian state. And he was able to tap into the anger against the Oslo Accords to bring out the vote.
44:20 Speaker 04 He becomes prime minister despite the role that he played in the incitement campaign as, you know, one of its most high-profile figures.
44:30 Speaker 01 While a lot of Netanyahu's political success was due to his own shrewd strategy, he also benefited from the failures of the Labour Party-led negotiations with Palestinians. As the promise of Oslo faded away and the second Intifada loomed, suicide bombings and violence were a regular occurrence on the streets of Israel.
44:50 Speaker 17 For a lot of Israelis, it almost like disproved the Zionist left thesis.
44:53 Speaker 01 This is writer Amjad Iraqi again.
44:56 Speaker 17 The idea of giving Palestinians more rights, potentially a Palestinian state, the Oslo process in general, the narrative is that you tried to give Palestinians their rights and their statehood, and what we actually got was suicide bombings. That's the logic. And it's not to minimize, I think, the social and political trauma that was experienced by Jewish Israelis during that time, but the answer that was provided to that was to say, like, actually, the right-wingers were right.
45:19 Speaker 01 But Israelis got tired of Netanyahu's hawkish posture, a sluggish economy, and a peace process that had ground to a halt. He was being accused by many on the right of being too centrist. So in 1999, he lost his reelection bid. It was a crushing defeat for Netanyahu.
45:47 Speaker 01 In the time he was out of office and out of the public eye, he seems to have figured something out. If he were going to make a political comeback, he'd need to move further right. And 10 years later...
45:59 Speaker 25 In Israel, conservative Benjamin Netanyahu was sworn in as prime minister last night. Today, he returns to the office he held a decade ago.
46:09 Speaker 01 In 2009, he recaptured the prime ministership. And again in 2015, when he was challenged for reelection, he pushed his messaging further to the right.
46:19 Speaker 25 His surprising and crushing victory, the product of an 11th-hour push for right-wing votes, promising there would be no Palestinian state on his watch...
46:30 Speaker 01 The right regime is in danger. The Arab voters are coming in huge amounts to the polls. But unlike the US, Israel has a parliamentary system, which means even if your party wins an election, you still have to form alliances with other parties to create a majority in order to be a ruling government. Because of his inflammatory rhetoric, it was going to be hard for Netanyahu to create that government with mainstream parties who were turned off by his strategy.
46:58 Speaker 03 So he looks towards, you know, parties to his right and decides that, you know, the kind of government that he wants to form is an ultra-nationalist and ultra-orthodox coalition, because he doesn't want to have a national unity government, and he certainly doesn't want to partner, you know, with leftist parties.
47:13 Speaker 04 Netanyahu is starting to get into a lot of legal and thus political trouble because he has corruption and bribery charges racking up. And so the country keeps going to elections as Netanyahu sort of tries to outrun these charges and tries to remain in power.
47:31 Speaker 03 He certainly doesn't want to be in government with anybody who would might, you know, might want to replace him and put him in prison. So these are his options and, you know, he acquiesces to this situation.
47:42 Speaker 01 Netanyahu, to survive, has courted the most right-wing parties in the country. And one of the people he has cut a deal with is a politician who was also at that anti-Rabin protest back in 1995, Idamar Ben-Gavir.
47:58 Speaker 04 And in the next election, which was back at the end of 2022, the combined slate that he runs on with another far-right party called Religious Zionism pulls in 14 seats. Ben-Gavir gets into the Israeli government and he basically gets to play kingmaker because of the number of seats that he's pulled. And Netanyahu, you know, he is crucial to Netanyahu's coalition at this point. And so he gets appointed as National Security Minister, which is a new position, which puts him in charge of all the police on both sides of the Green Line.
48:31 Speaker 01 The Green Line refers to the pre-1967 border between Israel and the West Bank.
48:36 Speaker 04 And nobody's held power over both sets of police in that way before.
48:41 Speaker 17 And so they're all interconnected. Everyone thought they had something to gain. And this is what allows what was once a kind of, you know, seemingly random thuggish activist slash lawyer to become someone who has an entire ministry designed around him, who is now sitting in major meetings of the government, who is now prodding the prime minister and the Defense Ministry and the military that you're not going hard enough.
49:08 Speaker 01 Natasha Roth-Rowland says Ben-Gavir went from a pariah to a popular figure in Israel, especially with young people.
49:17 Speaker 04 He voices what they see as things that they may not be allowed to say themselves. You know, he kind of, he voices the id of the nation in a way, in much the same way that Trump did. And-
49:28 Speaker 01 And what kind of views was he expressing?
49:31 Speaker 04 Just unabashed racism toward Palestinians.
49:35 Speaker 04 Understanding every Palestinian essentially as a terrorist. Supporting the death penalty for quote unquote terrorists, which in this case is simply a dog was all for Palestinians. Supporting mass expulsion of Palestinians. Terrorizing Palestinians who are simply going about their daily lives. Basically implementing Kohane's vision in any way that they are able to.
49:59 Speaker 17 Netanyahu has basically been in power since 2009. And with each coalition that he had, he enabled more and more far right people to come into Likud, to come into these coalitions and to be accepted into the political sphere. And Netanyahu definitely helped to facilitate that.
50:19 Speaker 01 Amjad Iraqi says that Netanyahu's prime ministership, the longest in the country's history, by the way, his attempts to survive politically haven't just had an impact on the Knesset, but also on Israeli public opinion.
50:32 Speaker 17 Bibi's tenure was really a lesson for Israelis that actually you don't have to play, that if you kind of just keep pushing the envelope, you'll find that there are actually no consequences. So why wouldn't you just keep going more right wing? Why wouldn't you keep saying more racist and explicit things? They're so unafraid to say things that three decades ago, they would have had to think many times before they could say so.
50:55 Speaker 01 But Netanyahu and his Likud coalition overplayed their political hand in 2023 when they proposed a law that would eliminate the oversight power of the Israeli Supreme Court.
51:07 Speaker 26 Israelis woke up today to their three largest newspapers carrying a black front page.
51:12 Speaker 27 The black pages were ads that protesters took out, calling it a dark day for democracy in Israel.
51:19 Speaker 01 This move to weaken the judiciary was met with intense protests throughout Israel.
51:26 Speaker 27 Until now, the Supreme Court in Israel has had the right to reject some government actions it did not consider reasonable. So what happens now that the Knesset stripped that power away?
51:40 Speaker 27 People of all ages are protesting in Israel. Doctors and lawyers are among those objecting to the parliament removing a check on its power.
51:49 Speaker 03 You know, I think if you actually ask the average Israeli on the street, like, what are the three major, you know, platforms of the judicial reform plan? Most people weren't necessarily interested in the, you know, technical details of what, you know, was going to happen with basic laws or overrides and all these kinds of things. But they did see this as being a my values against your values, you know, secular versus religious, interest in some kind of future negotiation of the Palestinians versus hard line, you know, or even violence towards, you know, Palestinian civilian communities. You know, do you want peace or do you want Etamar Ben-Gavir? It often, you know, sort of got framed along those terms.
52:29 Speaker 01 Although Israel's right wing had won the day politically, there were still many Israelis who were deeply uncomfortable with the direction the country was going. Enough to fill the streets with protests. But Natasha Roth-Rolin and Amjad Iraqi argue that there were still many voices missing.
52:48 Speaker 04 The most telling thing about them was that they were not protests that involved Palestinians. And the reason for that is that what Israelis were protesting against was not the huge decades upon decades upon decades long oppression of Palestinians, or the unjust conditions in the West Bank, or anything like that. They were simply protesting by and large against what they saw as the potential curtailment of their own rights as Jews in a Jewish state.
53:24 Speaker 17 It's not a battle for democracy. It is a battle to maintain at least a little bit more of an image, or to try to reclaim a bit more of an image that we're a democracy, that for Jewish Israelis to convince themselves because they realize that maybe we took it a bit too far. But Palestinian citizens know full on. No matter who was the head of the coalition, no matter who the judges were in the court, that actually the state always pursued the same objectives against Palestinians.
53:48 Speaker 01 Sarah Yael-Hershorn says the divisions on Israel's left and right are fundamental and got to a dangerous point.
53:57 Speaker 03 We really felt like Israel was on the brink of a kind of civil war, and people were really worried. And it was starting to happen towards the end of the digital war protests as things were starting to get a little violent. You know, it was becoming increasingly scary because no one really knew, you know, how this was going to play out.
54:13 Speaker 03 You know, October 7th, in some ways, you know, just ended this whole debate because Israel, you know, immediately came together because of this tragedy, but also the necessity of the war effort to unify as a country. But some of these divisions are still simmering under the surface.
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