E560 Antonio Brown

Antonio Brown is a former NFL wide receiver who played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, New England Patriots, Oakland Raiders and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Lately he is known for his social commentary and "Cracker of the Day" picks on X. Antonio Brown joins Theo to talk about his active online presence these days, his favorite players and moments from his legendary NFL career, and why he thinks "Cracker of the Day" could help solve America’s racial problems for good. Antonio Brown: https://x.com/AB84 ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Underdog: Sign up for Underdog with promo code THEO, or click the link, and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and a Free Pick with your first deposit: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-theo-von BlueChew: Go to https://bluechew.com/ to try your first month of BluewChew FREE. Symmetry Sauna: https://www.symmetrysauna.com/theo BlueCube: Head over to https://www. BlueCubeBaths.com and get $1,000 off when you mention Theo’s name. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Cam https://www.instagram.com/cam__george/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Theo Von?

  Today's guest is a former NFL wide receiver, a pro bowler, maybe one of the greatest NFL receivers of all time. He played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the New England Patriots, briefly for the Buccaneers, and possibly for the Raiders. Since then, he found himself in multiple endeavors like his prestigious Cracker of the Day Awards, where he gives out awards to whites and honkies and others. I had a good time getting to know him. He is very unique. Today's guest is the CTESPN bad boy, Mr. Antonio Brown.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Like damn, get off my DJ.

• 0:56Theo Von?

  Yeah, people on it? Oh, I didn't see them, but I believe you. They got a lot of lurkers around here.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Lot of lurkies. Yo, I like this haircut though. What is that, a mullet?

• 1:07Theo Von?

  Uh, let me think of how they call. I'm trying to think of the term for it.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  That shit is swaggy though, I ain't gonna lie.

• 1:11Theo Von?

  I think it's, um, yeah, some people call it that. I never.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a rat. I know your hat say rat tail.

• 1:18Theo Von?

  That's Rat King, baby.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  Rat King.

• 1:20Theo Von?

  But I think for me, it's just.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Oh, we on right now? We live?

• 1:24Theo Von?

  No, we can wait.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  I'm live, I'm ready, come on. Shit, we in this, we on.

• 1:28Theo Von?

  We fucking here, though. Some people call it a mullet. I think it's just as is, man. You wanna go shades today? We can do them. What do we got?

• 1:35Speaker 01

  We gonna wait to put them on, whatever. Whenever you, we gotta step into the shade time.

• 1:39Theo Von?

  Alright, we'll do that.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Just put like a shade on. Bring my guys some shades.

• 1:43Theo Von?

  Let me see what we got. You got some of those?

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, put those shit on.

• 1:48Theo Von?

  Are they?

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, gas station, movie theaters.

• 1:50Theo Von?

  7-11, 7-12, bitch, welcome.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 1:54Theo Von?

  We taking it to the next level in these bitches.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  We going to the movie theaters. We gotta go 3D.

• 1:58Theo Von?

  Alright, we going 3D out the gate, boy.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Right to the movies.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  I'm with TV, baby.

• 2:07Theo Von?

  Good to see you today, man.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  See you, TV. My movie theater, why they don't call you TV? They always say Theo Von, they don't just say TV?

• 2:16Theo Von?

  So, I'm trying to think of who, if some people says TV or not, some people might say it, but I don't know, it's a good question.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Come on, man, your nickname should be television.

• 2:26Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's not, I'm trying to think of what a good nickname for me would be. What's your nickname? AB?

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Uh, Gold Diva. Good Dick.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Mr. Catch'em All. You never heard of Ash Catcher?

• 2:40Theo Von?

  Ash Catcher?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Ash Catcher.

• 2:42Theo Von?

  Uh-uh.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  He catch Pokemons.

• 2:44Theo Von?

  He does?

• 2:44Speaker 01

  But his slang was Catch'em All.

• 2:46Theo Von?

  And it's an Asian guy?

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, Asian guy, yeah.

• 2:49Theo Von?

  Oh, they love to get out there and catch him. Um, drawings, you know, animations. They should have an Asian, um,

• 2:58Theo Von?

  like a Asian Pokémon.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Catch'em All.

• 3:04Theo Von?

  Championships.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'd be cool.

• 3:06Theo Von?

  I didn't see, I, I, that's something I would love to witness more of. Um, AB, good to see you, man.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Thank you, man, how you doing?

• 3:13Theo Von?

  I'm alive, man. You know, it's a lot of pressure out there.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Facts.

• 3:18Theo Von?

  The trenches are getting fucking tight.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Real tight.

• 3:21Theo Von?

  It's, oh.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  It's getting sticky.

• 3:23Theo Von?

  It's getting, whoa.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  Sticky.

• 3:25Theo Von?

  Bro, somehow I have to leave my shoes and just walk off in my socks, bro, because.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Got to. Got to leave your footprint and we out, bro. Pull up AB, bro, just be out, bro, fuck it.

• 3:35Theo Von?

  That's it, huh?

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it, bro.

• 3:37Theo Von?

  That must have been the best day whenever you quit your job.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was the best, bro.

• 3:42Theo Von?

  Because I think there's a part of that, bro, where everybody could feel, because everybody wants to take their shirt off and walk out their fucking job.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Take that moment, right? But some people can't.

• 3:50Theo Von?

  Buy FedEx, buy fucking, what's like another good company? Buy.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  UPS.

• 3:56Theo Von?

  UPS, Target, anything.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  It's always good, man, where you go rock out on your own freedom and make the moves that you believe in. You know, cause and life, life is already written for everyone. If you wanna be a football player, you know, if you in high school, you gotta pass the Clarence House, you gotta have the right grades for the SAT. It's a certain requirements that they lay out for you, gotta, for what you got to be to be that.

• 4:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  In my life, you gotta lay out what you want to be within yourself. And most of the time, you know, the most important thing is to be in tune with God, you know what I'm saying?

• 4:29Theo Von?

  Yeah, cuz I guess as a, as a football player, the path is kinda there. It's like you gotta do this, you gotta be-

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Everything lined up for you.

• 4:35Theo Von?

  Right.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  In my life, you gotta create your own life, man. You gotta have the freedom and the balls to, you know, choose what you want. Football don't last forever, you know, there's injuries. There's a lot of things that go into it.

• 4:46Theo Von?

  Oh, hell yeah. Oh damn, y'all got them-

• 4:49Speaker 01

  We got the honey pack.

• 4:51Theo Von?

  Y'all got them backwards, huh?

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I brought some Zai. Yo, I know you-

• 4:55Theo Von?

  You can smoke it, man. I'll watch you.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  I bet.

• 4:58Theo Von?

  I'll fucking watch you smoke that shit.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  This is like therapy. You know, as a black man, they always wanna fuck me over.

• 5:04Theo Von?

  Who does? Backwoods? How many's in there? They put five in there, huh?

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:07Theo Von?

  Why, didn't they shorten you?

• 5:09Speaker 01

  They always shorten us.

• 5:10Theo Von?

  Oh damn.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  You gotta have one on the bench.

• 5:15Theo Von?

  Oh damn. And what's in there? That reminds me of Poppy Steak. They ever bring that steak out to you? You been there?

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Of course. That's where all the girls like to go.

• 5:23Theo Von?

  Poppy Steak, huh?

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, they like that beef at Poppy's.

• 5:29Theo Von?

  Damn. That's when everybody comes running. You shake that. I like you shake that eight ball at a party.

• 5:36Theo Von?

  Bro, you have them coke ghosts. They show up like, ooh, they been dead, but they show, they hear that eight ball shaking it, but like, ooh.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  They go crazy when they see that eighty?

• 5:45Theo Von?

  Dude, I, oh, there's Poppy Steak right there. That's where they pull up-

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the movie steak.

• 5:49Theo Von?

  They grilling that meat right there.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, they going crazy. That meat came in a Lunchable.

• 5:56Theo Von?

  Bro, that's a rich ass Lunchable.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  That's a fire one, right?

• 5:59Theo Von?

  A rich ass Lunchable right there.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Came in a Hot Pocket.

• 6:02Theo Von?

  Dude, my mom, we used to put silverware. She would fuck with me. She put silverware in a lunchbox, nothing in that bitch. I started opening it up. Bam, boy.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  And like, what the fuck he was eating?

• 6:12Theo Von?

  Nothing, bruh.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Stay hungry, huh?

• 6:14Theo Von?

  Stay hungry, motherf-

• 6:15Speaker 01

  Keep going. You getting full.

• 6:17Theo Von?

  Boy.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  You in the trenches, man.

• 6:19Theo Von?

  Hey, where you at, bruh? My mom had a good sense of humor. She be like, ha ha, I love ya.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  That's what's bad.

• 6:24Theo Von?

  Put in there. So she had a, the note was nice, but it's still, yeah, I would have preferred some proteins or something in there. But, yeah, what you smoking backwoods?

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I smoked backwoods.

• 6:34Theo Von?

  You know, I got my nephew some good backwoods clothing for her.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, they do come out with some clothes.

• 6:40Theo Von?

  Christmas last year.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Sweats and hoodies, right?

• 6:42Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  He's a backwood guy?

• 6:44Theo Von?

  Uh, he's a, he's, I think he's nine. I don't know if he is or not, you know, he's still pretty young.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  He's young.

• 6:50Theo Von?

  He's a Roblox guy.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 6:52Theo Von?

  But if they did a Roblox backwood collab, he'd be on it. That's him right there. Max in the middle.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, handsome kid.

• 6:58Theo Von?

  Yeah, he's pretty good. He got a good hairline on him.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  I know, kid swaggy.

• 7:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, I don't look at him too much.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Where you from, there, you from New Orleans?

• 7:05Theo Von?

  I'm from outside of Louisiana. I'm outside of New Orleans. Trying to think if we had any pro athletes that came out of our area.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, one of my baby moms said they went to, they came from the same spot you in.

• 7:15Theo Von?

  Really?

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, I got a baby mom collection.

• 7:18Theo Von?

  How many, oh damn, how many you got?

• 7:20Speaker 01

  I got, I think I got enough as in the backwood, maybe five.

• 7:23Theo Von?

  Oh, wow, that's, you got a pack. You got a starter pack.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  I got a, yeah. I woke up a sour patch. Where's my starter pack?

• 7:33Theo Von?

  Dude, I heard, somebody say you not a real black father till you've had three kids. Is that true or not? Like in the black community, that's what I heard.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Nah, I think you ain't a black father till you get on child support. Cause then you know, like, what it take to be a black father. I think my dad was on child support years and years. I think it's just like, in the black community, I feel like the government is taking our woman. It's like, yo, if you grew up in an inner city community, you had a kid with a woman, it's like, if you gonna go our way and try to make some of yourself, the government gonna take your spouse because now they tell the spouse, yo, you gonna be in section eight, you gonna get free food, food stamps. The government just took, took my mom. Now they took my mom. Now my dad can't even come back to the house. So it was like,

• 8:19Theo Von?

  Why? Cause if he comes back, then she loses the,

• 8:21Speaker 01

  The benefits. So it was like, exactly. So it was like, the government really just took your bitch. So as a black father, it's like, man, to experience that, you really, you know what I mean? To be a black dad in, in all seriousness. It's like really bad because you have a kid and you trying to go out and make some of yourself. And these women, the government come in and take it right out cuz it's like yo, it's hard to be a dad. My dad had me when he was in college at Louisiana Tech.

• 8:49Theo Von?

  Oh, he went to Louisiana Tech?

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:51Theo Von?

  Up in Ruston, huh?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, right around you, right around your area.

• 8:54Theo Von?

  Was he playing ball up there or no?

• 8:55Speaker 01

  My dad was touchdown Eddie Brown, like a.

• 8:57Theo Von?

  Nah, bring him up. I wanna see a picture of him, man.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Touchdown Eddie Brown, pull up to Louisiana Tech, there you go right there.

• 9:04Theo Von?

  Pull up Eddie, bro. If you need him, he's in the end zone. That's where you gonna have to pull him up, bro.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  They call him touchdown. He got like three hundred tutties.

• 9:10Theo Von?

  Hey, bro.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Yo, he's like the number one arena league football player all time.

• 9:15Theo Von?

  Really? Did he play, um, in Boise? Where did he play arena at?

• 9:18Speaker 01

  He played at Albany, uh, Fibers, the team I just bought. And I realized they don't want us to own shit either, bro. I bought the team, they was kicking me off the field. I think I just gotta move out of America. What you think, T V?

• 9:30Theo Von?

  I'm trying to think where we could, you could, cuz you would be considered an export at that point.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 9:35Theo Von?

  So that's a trade agreement we'd have to get with another continent, I would guess. I'm trying to think of who we could get for you. Who could we get on the international market? That's a good question.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. Who could we do it? How could we do it?

• 9:46Theo Von?

  Trade an A B for?

• 9:48Speaker 01

  That's all I'm saying. What the market value for this shit?

• 9:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, what's the, uh?

• 9:53Speaker 01

  What's the pussy rate on that?

• 9:54Theo Von?

  Yeah, what's the exchange rate on the NASDAQ? You know, what's the exchange rate on the A B if we put you out there?

• 10:03Speaker 01

  For real? I be feeling like a cow or a dog, like these bitches, Theo, these bitches wanna milk me like a cow.

• 10:09Theo Von?

  Who you talking about when you say them?

• 10:12Speaker 01

  People in general, people that's around you that know your position. Like, Theo, you real successful now, like, do people just take photos of you everywhere? Or do people expect more out of you? Like, if you was going to a restaurant with your buddies, like, who covering the tab?

• 10:25Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think I would like to cover it most of the time just because I know that I have the ability to cover it without having to worry about it as much, maybe, you know, the next day or week, you know, or. But sometimes, yeah.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  You don't feel like a cow?

• 10:41Theo Von?

  I feel like a cow, but I feel like I'm my own shepherd at the same time.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  You gotta be on shepherd, but you don't want people to treat you like a cow. You don't want people to treat you like a cow.

• 10:54Theo Von?

  Yeah, no, I think, no, I, I don't, I, I think what makes me kind of uncomfortable. Yeah, sometimes if people are recording you for no reason, that's weird. But that's weird.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  But that's the new world we live in. Everyone wanna get that film of you just that. So they can show somebody later or just feel like they. They cool by association. And it's like, yo, boy, I didn't want you to record me right now. I'm relaxed.

• 11:18Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  You don't need cameras right now.

• 11:21Theo Von?

  Dude, I saw one, one time it was me just walking somewhere, dude, and I'm not the best walker or whatever, you know?

• 11:27Speaker 01

  How you walk? You got a nice scroll? Are you walking like? What you emphasizing when you walking with a scrub TV?

• 11:33Theo Von?

  I say chest up.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Yes, eyes up.

• 11:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  You want your toes or your heels?

• 11:39Theo Von?

  I'm right in the middle, baby. You know what I'm saying? I'm that middle dog. You won't catch me on the front or the back, dog.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Like that, just somewhere in the middle.

• 11:46Theo Von?

  I'll see at the fifty yard line. That's where I'm at, bro.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Right between the legs. Right in the middle.

• 11:52Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm that fulcrum, baby. I'm just, cuz you don't know if the Lord's get me or the devil's get me. I'm right there. I'm on that tight rope. That's how I walk.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 12:00Theo Von?

  I'm on that fucking tight rope, boy. You don't know if I'm fucking, you don't know what I'm doing.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 12:06Theo Von?

  But yeah, I like to be, um, I walk, let me see. Yeah, I kinda push my, like, forward. I move, like, I'm moving forward.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Like a demon.

• 12:18Theo Von?

  Yeah, uh, like a pretty nice demon, though. Like that nice ass.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, like that. Superhero vibes.

• 12:25Theo Von?

  Like that nice ass demon. Yeah, but sometimes, yeah, I saw a video one time and it was like, damn, this dude ugly, bro. That was a fucking video. That was the caption with it. I was like.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  They was hating on you? No, when somebody call you ugly, that mean you swaggy. That's an excuse for it.

• 12:39Theo Von?

  They didn't mean it like that.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  I think they mean it like that.

• 12:42Theo Von?

  Oh, I like your attitude.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  When people call you ugly, that mean you swaggy. Like, look at this ugly motherfucker.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  That mean you looking fly, bro. You know what I'm saying?

• 12:51Theo Von?

  Oh, that's a good attitude. You right, bro. We ugly as fuck, son.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Ugly motherfucker.

• 12:57Theo Von?

  If you need me.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Ugly ass.

• 12:59Theo Von?

  Look at these pieces of shit.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:03Theo Von?

  That's a good attitude, man. You're right, I am ugly, motherf**er. And watch my ugly ass get some shit done.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, watch this ugly motherf**er go to work.

• 13:12Theo Von?

  Yeah, right, yeah. That's a good attitude.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Life is about attitude, you know why?

• 13:17Theo Von?

  It really is.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  People like to create narratives, create stories. They don't really care how people feel. They don't care how your family react. They keep us at a certain level. I don't think that's just the community, because, bro, I grew up in Miami, Florida, Liberty City. We had a big drug game, if you've never heard about it, called John Doe.

• 13:34Theo Von?

  Michael Irvin, huh?

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but Michael Irvin from like, Michael Irvin just played football in Miami. I don't know if he grew up in Liberty City. I think he grew up in Brower, so I don't, I don't really know what his lifestyle was. But I know I grew up in 58 Terrace and 17th Avenue, in the heart of Liberty City. You know what I'm saying? In the culture of a black community, because I know I love to see you talk about black people, black community, because I feel like you're from New Orleans, so you've been around a lot of black people your whole life. But being in Liberty City is not like the country, because I know New Orleans is like country, low country, it's not.

• 14:06Theo Von?

  It's like a mix. Louisiana is a mix of like, uh,

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Country.

• 14:10Theo Von?

  It's a mix of country, light city.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Exactly. But in Liberty City? Yo, we, yo, we have, we have like, the John Doe Boys is like the police of the neighborhood.

• 14:18Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  So like, these guys, like, you pull them up, yo, pull up John Doe. We base and blow.

• 14:23Theo Von?

  Pulling up shitty, trying to watch later.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm trying to show, I'm trying to, I'm trying to educate you guys about the black community, where we come from. Look up the guy from John Doe, his name, Travon Bubba. Just look up Miami, John Doe.

• 14:38Theo Von?

  Put it on, these motherf**ers watching Mythbusters on this bitch. Put something on, man. Put it on, Jack. John Doe, right there. Death penalty case of John Doe gang leader in peril as judge disqualified.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  You see that in the 1990s?

• 14:53Theo Von?

  In the 1990s, in a, uh, okay?

• 14:56Speaker 01

  In Liberty City. So when you do the homework, the black community is ran by a, uh, John Doe group gang. They just make money in our neighborhoods. You see what I'm saying? So.

• 15:08Theo Von?

  They don't even live there.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  No, they live there.

• 15:10Theo Von?

  Oh, they do.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  On the next block on fifty eighth street, yes. Travis, his family had a whole crouch. This guy had a whole. It's like they was running a in a a a business in the inner city.

• 15:20Theo Von?

  Uh huh.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  That wasn't the right business, but they showed the inner city people hope, like the good cars that came by. When we had football games, they came and supported. Like you guys playing against them? Oh, yeah, we got you go to money jerseys. They gave us hope.

• 15:35Theo Von?

  Nice shoes, yeah.

• 15:36Speaker 01

  Nice opportunities to make us look forward for the great things.

• 15:39Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  But these environments that was called what? Section eight? You ever heard of section eight?

• 15:43Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  So these type of environments was given to who? Our moms. Most of the people that's living in the inner city is single moms that's been provided the house from the government. They put us in these places with low income people. And no, and so we had the one oh six in park to look at TV. We had the John Doe guys that come over and give us hope about. You know what I'm saying? They was like our neighborhood heroes because we didn't see. People didn't come to Liberty City and.

• 16:12Theo Von?

  Have regular lives, kinda like?

• 16:14Speaker 01

  Nah, they didn't.

• 16:14Theo Von?

  It wasn't like a lot of dads. They were like doctors and shit like that.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Nah, it wasn't a lot of dad presence. Period, because it's section eight. Your dad can't even come around these areas. So these areas were outsourced by the government because now if your dad come in. Play your mom, they don't get the food stamp card to buy you food. So these guys was like our heroes that gave us hope in those situations.

• 16:34Theo Von?

  Right.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 16:36Theo Von?

  Yeah, now I see that. I never really thought about that concept before that the dad couldn't come back because.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Your dad gonna come. Your dad come, your mama don't get the section eight. She don't get the free lunch, the free housing. What woman who have a lot of kids and a lot of stress and a lot of dudes with a lot, you know what I mean?

• 16:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, I hadn't thought about it like that.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 16:53Theo Von?

  Well, in our neighbor, in our, in our area, a lot of the black girls got, they all got um. Um, pregnant, you know, over the summertime after seventh grade.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Because white people, I love my white people, they put their kids on birth control at sixteen. They already got a chip in them that's blocking it, that's probably cause the other black moms, they are, they already had a kid probably early. So if you, whatever your family or your mom, whatever you grew up in that situation, to you that would come the normacy. You know what I mean? So the percentage of black women going to college is pretty low. So if you in the neighborhood where you, it's a fast neighborhood and people growing up fast and they doing stuff fast, you probably, I mean, the less chance, likely chance of you definitely getting pregnant.

• 17:41Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Alpha male, you know, black dick is king.

• 17:44Theo Von?

  Yeah, I haven't seen, yeah, I don't see, yeah, I mean, I've seen something online, I don't need to see any right now, you know what I'm saying? I'm good. I hope these shades block out black dick, bro, you feel me? Cause I ain't trying to see any today, bro.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  Yo, the rate of fucking, yo, in the, in the Liberty City, they see a fine girl, they like, yo, TV, you didn't nut in that?

• 18:04Theo Von?

  Nah.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  You should nut in that. That's what the black culture are pre-emanated in Liberty City.

• 18:08Theo Von?

  And so then I have to go over and try to, um, get, uh, get some sex with the lady?

• 18:13Speaker 01

  I mean, no, they telling you, did you nut in that? Like, if you was from Liberty City and you brought a hot girl, they would have been like, yo, TV, you ain't nut in that?

• 18:21Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  They giving you the wrong guidance.

• 18:24Theo Von?

  Oh, I see.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  At an early age. Imagine, you in the neighborhood.

• 18:27Theo Von?

  They didn't say, hey, TV, you didn't take that lady on a nice date?

• 18:30Speaker 01

  No, they'll tell you take her on a date, they just gonna say bust a nut in her.

• 18:33Theo Von?

  Oh, wow. What up? Dude, the, the cracker of the year this year was, um, Shane Gillis, man, congratulations, dude.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Shane Gillis is amazing, man. The cracker of the year was Donald Trump.

• 18:45Theo Von?

  Oh, he was cracker of the year?

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, he overcame so much a- and he kept his class, he kept his coolness. Imagine, he almost got killed while running for president.

• 18:53Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Almost got took down by people trying to take him to jail. You never really see a cracker really go through this type of intensity of his life and the government trying to take you down. It's only like a nigga thing to be real, but he handled it with such class.

• 19:08Theo Von?

  Did that give him more respect?

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Of course. You see how many black people changed the tide and switched. For him, you seen Stephen A. Smith apologize like a bitch now? Yeah, he fell on his knees too.

• 19:19Theo Von?

  Everybody.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 19:21Theo Von?

  Because he had a certain point.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  Because Trump showed that he could be a nigga and handle it with class. It's like black people go through that shit all the time. Look at my boy Young Thug. Just fucking with the jail for some shit he made up. Some shit was made up, like he, you know what I mean?

• 19:34Theo Von?

  Free Young Thug, free Quavo too, is he locked up?

• 19:36Speaker 01

  No, these guys out. Quavo, Young Thug's out.

• 19:39Theo Von?

  Oh, good.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  Free Young Dirk.

• 19:40Theo Von?

  Free Young Dirk, what'd he do? Or what didn't he do?

• 19:44Speaker 01

  I mean, what they say he do? It's a bunch of he say, she say. I don't know the fact.

• 19:50Theo Von?

  Don't ask me, Jack.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Don't ask me, I got nothing to do with it.

• 19:53Theo Von?

  I got nothing to do with it, right?

• 19:56Speaker 01

  You did?

• 19:57Theo Von?

  But no, that's, that's a big thing that happened for Trump was they put him on all of those charges, right? That every, he was in court every week. And then they tried to shoot him.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  They tried to kill him.

• 20:07Theo Von?

  And so that's, if anything, if anybody, if any group could probably relate to some of that type of energy, black community.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  They trying to kill us every day. You know about Martin Luther King, you seen Nipsey H- It's a whole list of, yo, pull up the list of black guys that was elite who just died out the blue. Maybe it was, what do they call it when they kill you out the blue and they don't even know?

• 20:25Theo Von?

  Oh, uh, assassination or whatever?

• 20:27Speaker 01

  No, that's when they just kill you.

• 20:29Theo Von?

  Oh, they just, uh...

• 20:30Speaker 01

  What they call it when they just, they kill you and they just be like, oh, it was a, uh, you know what it's called?

• 20:35Theo Von?

  Oh, uh, accident?

• 20:36Speaker 02

  Assassinate?

• 20:38Theo Von?

  Nope, we just tried that one. Uh...

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Conspiracy?

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Exactly, it was a capussy.

• 20:43Theo Von?

  Yup.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Capussy, yeah. It's like, they think black people is like the new vagina, like the designer vagina.

• 20:50Theo Von?

  We gonna keep using them.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Keep fucking them. No, you gonna keep fucking them. Like what happened to Kobe Bryant? Like, I ain't never seen no one other airplane going down.

• 20:59Theo Von?

  Never one. When other time has it happened where a chopper just went off like that?

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it was for Kobe Bryant though.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  I think Donald Trump just did a big thing yesterday. Release the conspiracy information for the King family.

• 21:13Theo Von?

  Martin Luther King.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Why is this hiding conspiracy amongst people of my kind of people that's being fucked over?

• 21:18Theo Von?

  Well, why? First of all, if we live in a country where it's free, where the communication.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, why didn't his family didn't get the condolences to know what happened?

• 21:26Theo Von?

  Well, why didn't we all just get the truth? You know what I'm saying? Why the files have to be like, why is there a secret files?

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Cause black guys are like designer vagina. They just get fucked. I mean, that go to list. Yo, you got the list?

• 21:39Theo Von?

  Like Lenciaga, bro.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like they just fucking you over.

• 21:43Theo Von?

  Well, did you see some of the stuff I've seen is that people are, they're trying to accuse him of being a homosexual?

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Of course, that's what happened with every black man. They just.

• 21:52Theo Von?

  They tried to throw him under that.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Throw you under, just throw your fucking shit that you built up like it don't even matter.

• 21:57Theo Von?

  Under the L G B U S.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Dude, Martin Luther King was in a hotel getting pussy before they shot him.

• 22:04Theo Von?

  I believe he was.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  Come on, man. You see how he look? You think Martin Luther King is not getting pussy?

• 22:08Theo Von?

  Oh, I, yeah, I would definitely, I could see him definitely getting some.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  But that's what they do. They change the narrative on guys.

• 22:14Theo Von?

  Well, they wanted, they wanted to, they want.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Why they do that though?

• 22:17Theo Von?

  It could be a character assassination.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Nah, yeah, it's always a character assassination when you're black because they always gonna make it seem like you're just too aggressive or too flamboyant, you know what I'm saying?

• 22:27Theo Von?

  When they say who, when they, when you say they are, does it mean like? Are you talking the FBI, the CIA? Are you talking?

• 22:34Speaker 01

  I don't know who is they.

• 22:35Theo Von?

  Right.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  They is a word that you just try to figure out who is they.

• 22:38Theo Von?

  Right.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? So when I say they, I'm not talking about no particular people. It may be, but it's definitely some people in power. I don't know who they is. They is a middle school word. That's why it's called capussy. Conspiracy, capussy. Because we don't know who the guy who's doing the fucking, but we know we getting fucked.

• 22:56Theo Von?

  Right.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Right, TV?

• 22:58Theo Von?

  Oh, if I wake up with cum on my shoulder, bro, something must have happened.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Bro, I'm having wet dreams. It's come all over my fucking self.

• 23:05Theo Von?

  Something must have happened, bro.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, bro. I always try to feel like what's going on.

• 23:10Theo Von?

  What's going on, man?

• 23:11Speaker 01

  What the fuck is going on?

• 23:12Theo Von?

  Don't ask me, bro. If you ask me, I don't know.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Do with it.

• 23:16Theo Von?

  I got nothing to do with it.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  My name Bennett. I'm not in it. But I'm seeing what's going on. I'm just seeing what's going on.

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• 25:53Theo Von?

  Cracker of the year, what, oh, go on.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  So that's why I started the cracker of the year. To just bridge the gap between people because we all one human race. And I was like, you know what, let me bridge the gap. You know, because I love my crackers, you know what I'm saying?

• 26:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  That was made me rich. Shout out to Art Rooney, Dan Rooney, some of my favorite crackers of the year, you know, I just, you know, we want to bridge the gap of racism, which is.

• 26:17Theo Von?

  Yeah, and some of the ways to do that is humor, I agree.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Humor, right? You a funny motherfucker.

• 26:21Theo Von?

  Well, thanks, man. You are too, dude.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Thank you, bro.

• 26:24Theo Von?

  You definitely, you went, you went about it some unique ways too, that's like your own thing. I think you're really unique.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Thank you, brother.

• 26:31Theo Von?

  Did you always have a desire to be? Like, I know this is, it's a kind of a strange question, but did you always have a desire to be unique or to be different, like?

• 26:40Speaker 01

  I just like be myself, man. I feel like in life, it's free to be who you are.

• 26:45Theo Von?

  But were you always like that as much, or were you more of like? Was there a point where you're like, you know what, I'm just gonna do things how I want to do them now?

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Nah, you gotta always respect authority, you know what I'm saying, like? In life, you gotta know your position and respect authority. You can't really, in life, you need people. You can't really do nothing by yourself. Like even playing football, it's like, yo, I'm going against my man, but I got 10 more mans helping me out to, you know, to make this easier. So it's like, in life, you need a team, you know what I'm saying? You could never do nothing just by yourself. And it's always a collective of people that's there, you know, in your corner, that's, you know, permeating your highest self. So to me, I just always felt like, yo, I grew up in Liberty City. My dad was a, a, a great football player, but my dad endured a lot of adversity

• 27:35Speaker 01

  through his family, you know what I'm saying? We're just growing up in the 40s with my grandma. My grandma having to work a job and my dad having to take sports for like a job early, you know what I'm saying?

• 27:45Theo Von?

  Right, so was it even something you think he want? Because I feel like this, and I was like, I wonder if there's a lot of young black men, right? And young black women that do sports that don't even really want to be doing them, but it's a means to an end because at some point it was kind of the only choice. I think there's more choices now.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 28:02Theo Von?

  You know, and that's just my outsider judgment. I'm not saying that I know that, but it seems like.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  You do know that. That's a valid opportunity because think about it. You growing up in Liberty City, bro. I'm growing up where it's like. Drug selling and dope dealers killing right in this neighborhood.

• 28:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Guys that's going to prison for life, right in this neighborhood. So it's like, you either become a part of that, or you make a commitment right there and you within yourself to be like, yo, I'm not gonna be that.

• 28:28Theo Von?

  Right.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  I'mma do this, you know, and that pre-emanates the attitude and that individualistic.

• 28:34Theo Von?

  Oh, I see what you're saying.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 28:35Theo Von?

  So right there, you're creating some sense of individualism just by not going with the mainstream that is in those types of neighborhoods to have a little bit more drugs and violence going on.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  Exactly, because you can either be a part of it because you seen it, or you could commit to be the difference, you know what I'm saying?

• 28:52Theo Von?

  But do the people in the neighborhood that are committed to the more hectic lifestyle and the more trench behavior, do they look down upon guys who were trying to get out?

• 29:01Speaker 01

  No, they respect it, man. Like those guys that come to me and be like, yo, don't do what we do, man. Ain't no money, man. Make sure, I got your jerseys this week, man. We at the game, two touchdowns. So they giving me incentives, like, yo, keep doing this because I feel like guys in the city, when they get accustomed into like the gritty, it's just because they know, it's like, man, ain't no other way for us. Like, that's how my uncle grew up. My uncle just always felt like, man, I ain't working for nobody, I ain't, because he felt like he was already in the system. But I just felt like, man, I wasn't gonna let the system deteriorate me from going after who I wanted to be.

• 29:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? And I feel like a lot of women that's in the black communities and males, they get accustomed with the, the trauma and the.

• 29:42Theo Von?

  They always get addicted to it.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  The trauma and everything because your whole family here. You see your mom, like, damn, this is what my mom went through and turned it to? So sometime I feel like, you feel like, man, it's a part of my family now to just be here. But to me, you know, I had the attitude like, man, I ain't gonna let my situation now affect what I could be and what I could do because in this situation right here, I could make it better.

• 30:05Theo Von?

  And then once there's enough better avenues, other the the younger youths coming up start to see better opportunities.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Better opportunities.

• 30:13Theo Von?

  Oh, I remember. Yeah, when I was growing up, the black kids in my area, they didn't have, we had like the best job you could have, it felt like, was a school teacher, right? We had a couple of black female school teachers. We had an assistant principal, Raleigh Coleman, shout out, R I P. And he used to sleep in the trunk of his car at lunch a little bit. He used to get, catch him a little break, catch him a little nap.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Oh, Wendy.

• 30:35Theo Von?

  He used to look, probably one time I was over by the fence. I saw him getting in that bitch. I'm like, damn, what's Raleigh doing? And he looked at me like this.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Tell nobody else.

• 30:45Theo Von?

  He was catching a little nap, yeah. But they didn't have like a lot, like I remember, dude, it wasn't until a few years ago, I went to a doctor for the first time that was a black doc.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  That's why I seen you never.

• 30:56Theo Von?

  I'd never seen, and I'd never thought that I'd never seen it before. I've seen black doctors on television. I'd seen, but you know, and I, I'd probably met black doctors, but I'd never been into the room. You're like, okay, you're gonna go meet with the doctor and you get in there and it's a black guy like, damn, is he gonna, know what's wrong with me? You know, I just, my brain didn't.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  Comfortability with it.

• 31:14Theo Von?

  Yeah, it was just different. So then I started to think, well, I wonder what it was like for black people always going to white doctors and be like, does this doctor care about like, just even just the thought in your head, right? Yeah. So that was just, it's definitely interesting, um.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  I think you never really see people. I feel like you come accustomed to, you know what I'm saying? Like, it don't matter what color the person is in position, you know what I'm saying? I feel like black people grew up where it was so rough. It's like you gotta have a lot of love in your heart to not even.

• 31:43Theo Von?

  Get into that.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's just turned demon. It's like, yo, you gotta have, you know what I'm saying? So black people do got a lot of love in their heart because, you go through the most. It's like, yo, I can't even be a good football player without somebody saying something negative. And it's like, I guess for a black person, we're used to that. We're used to people assassinating our character or putting pressure on us to turn oil to get more diamonds out of us because, that's how we was built.

• 32:07Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's in the history, man. Damn. Well, yeah, it's, and I think I always, I always.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Like you fucked some black pussy before, right?

• 32:17Theo Von?

  Well, let's, um, let me think about some of this.

• 32:21Theo Von?

  I, yeah, I definitely.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Okay, did you have addiction for? Not, designer vagina?

• 32:28Theo Von?

  I haven't been to the addiction yet, yeah. It was, this was an.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  Not an addiction. Everybody get pussy. You know about testosterone?

• 32:34Theo Von?

  Yes, sir.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Okay, do you ever get like you got no pussy and you just feel like your mood off?

• 32:39Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, boy.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Okay then, so you a man, you get it. I'm not saying you dick that, I'm saying you need sexy as a part of a human body.

• 32:45Theo Von?

  That's normal.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Exactly, it's anormacy. You know what I mean?

• 32:49Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, buddy, I know what you mean. That's normal, man. That's normal behavior. Let me think about this. You know there was, I, I definitely, I envied black culture sometimes. I mean, a lot of people envy black culture because black culture is is where like people take a product to make it cool, right? So a lot of times a company will come out with a product nowadays, they attach a black artist to it or put it through the black community in some way and then it makes it cool, right? Does that make sense to you?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Of course, because.

• 33:14Theo Von?

  Okay, I don't wanna say I'm accusing of that or anything. I'm just saying that that's what I've heard. Does that make sense to you?

• 33:19Speaker 01

  That's pretty much a fact of the world. It's like, name some things that's black that you need in your life. Coffee, I know every.

• 33:27Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Coffee, you got oil. What else you like that's black? Hold on, let me just ask you some questions.

• 33:34Theo Von?

  Black olives?

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Alright, so let me just ask you some questions.

• 33:36Theo Von?

  Yeah, give me some black olive, right? Fuck them green olives, bruh.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  If, if you was, if, alright, if you was to go get a haircut, if you was to go get a haircut

• 33:45Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  or if you were to call a handyman, what's some of the like? Spanish woman clean the house for me, Mexican people clean up real well. You know what I mean? Like, what's some stuff you use black people for?

• 33:56Theo Von?

  Let me think, uh.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Feel good, music, entertainment?

• 34:00Theo Von?

  Yup.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  So black people set the culture for like?

• 34:03Theo Von?

  Artistic culture.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Artistic culture for how you feel, how you dancing, how you, I mean, the value of jewelry, like, you know what I mean?

• 34:12Theo Von?

  Yeah, a lot of art, a lot of culture is kind of set by the.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Coming through the black culture.

• 34:17Theo Von?

  Let me think, duh. Let me think of the word I'm looking for. Give me one second here. A lot of, um. Black people I think add jazz to things, right? And that could be to music.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Black people been getting robbed for everything. What's the, uh, the artist who was a big artist who just copied everybody?

• 34:34Theo Von?

  Bruno Mars or whatever?

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Nah, I don't know a Bruno copy.

• 34:37Theo Von?

  Oh, copied? I didn't hear that.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  It was a rock star guy who just copied every black guy's song. Big famous guy, man.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  You're talking about Elvis topping off Chuck Berry?

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Alright, thank you, exactly. Robbed the black culture of all their songs and people just let them go with it.

• 34:50Theo Von?

  Did he? Bring it up, did Elvis rob the black folks?

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Elvis fucked us over.

• 34:55Theo Von?

  Damn, really? Well, his manager was a, his manager was a dog, man. I'm not saying he didn't, I don't know.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Elvis was fucking Girls That Was 13. How you think R. Kelly got the artistic to know like what a rock star is?

• 35:06Theo Von?

  Nah, nah, nah.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  You don't think so?

• 35:08Theo Von?

  R. Kelly, I think, came up with some, a little bit of his own shit, man.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Yo, Elvis was only fucking Girls That Was Teenage Ages.

• 35:13Theo Von?

  Nah, nah, really?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Yo, Google it so we can educate each other here, please.

• 35:17Theo Von?

  Yeah, let's see what's going on, man. What did black?

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Ray Charles. That boy stole Ray Charles' song, Bar for Bar.

• 35:26Theo Von?

  Everybody stole everything from Ray Charles, bro, come on, dawg.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  You're right, but it's like Elvis was so big. Elvis was so big.

• 35:32Theo Von?

  Right, you couldn't say, hey, you couldn't say no against him.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  You gotta give the credit to the people you take. You just can't rob people of their art.

• 35:38Theo Von?

  Oh, I agree with that.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? You gotta at least get the credits.

• 35:41Theo Von?

  In 1994, Ray Charles sat down for an interview with NBC's Bob Costas and gave scathing critique of Elvis Presley. To say that Elvis was so great and so outstanding, like he's the king, the king of what? I know too many artists that are far greater. Uh, he was doing our kind of music. So he's saying that he's, like, he's saying like there was some culture vulture style going on. But does it say that he stole? I'm not saying that he didn't, I've heard this.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Pull up the songs that Ray Charles said that he stole that he could, he could show you that Bar for Bar. Probably on YouTube.

• 36:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm just trying to get some truth here, because I've heard this too. I don't know if it's true, it might be.

• 36:14Speaker 01

  It's definitely true. But think about it, if, if, if black people ran the country, it'd be true too, because they'll will their people in their way too. So it's not like a knock, it's just a fact. If you came in up in music culture and you heard about Elvis Presley, because what was Elvis Presley time that he was around? We was probably wasn't even around when he was around.

• 36:30Theo Von?

  50s or whatever?

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Exactly, so you gotta think back. If R. Kelly came up and these guys were looking up to a guy.

• 36:38Theo Von?

  Yeah, oh, nah, I could easily.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, play those songs right there.

• 36:40Theo Von?

  Okay. 10 black rock and roll musicians Elvis Presley stole music from?

• 36:46Speaker 03

  It was hard for black artists to get their music played on mainstream stations. But that did not stop record label executives and white artists from discovering music from black artists and covering their songs. Elvis was arguably one of the biggest stars to cover songs by black artists while mimicking their mannerisms and vocal inflections.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  And I said to King of Wharton, he got mad at me. You see, I don't think of Elvis like that because I know too many artists that are far greater than Elvis. I think Elvis was a person came along at the right time where Elvis was a white kid that could do rock and roll or rhythm and blues or whatever name you want to call it. And the girls could swoon over him. That cult got in trouble in Alabama when the women swooned over him. Got put out of town. And black people been going out shaking their behind for centuries. What the hell is unusual about that shaking their hips and stuff? And that's all Elvis was doing was copying that.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  This is Otis Blackwell. He is the voice and pen behind some of Elvis's biggest hits such as "Don't Be Cruel" and "All Shook Up." After briefly pursuing a solo career, he decided to step behind the scenes and become a songwriter when he discovered how good of a living he can actually make doing that.

• 38:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm not saying I'm just curious. I'm curious about it too, man, because you always hear this, but then I never really have any information about it. You're right in front of us. Because this kind of shit happens all the time in every type of community where, in every type of business where people will see stuff, they copy it and they take it. There's still lawsuits about this every day, it feels like.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Also, the laws at the time didn't, like, the laws protecting against this are stronger now than they were at the time.

• 38:28Theo Von?

  I'm sure. And if a black guy walked into a place and he stole my music, he'd probably be scared to even say that because of the repercussions that would come out of him.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Nah, he was so big for the executives, like, back in the day, it was a different time if you, like, just dive into the history and see, like... It wasn't big for black blues artists. They was cutting you off. That was what Ray Charles was saying, like they was stopping you away for even making memes. You know what I'm saying?

• 38:50Theo Von?

  I could definitely see that.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  But that's part of being creative. If he, I don't, I love Elvis Presley. I wanna say it's no knock on Elvis, but it just go back to the theme that we was talking about. Black people in history been in put down, but if, if a black person ran the world, it'd probably be the same way.

• 39:05Theo Von?

  They would just do it a different way, right?

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Do it for the black people, but it's not like a bad thing. It's just what it is.

• 39:10Theo Von?

  What it is, right?

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 39:12Theo Von?

  But I could imagine this. Imagine this, man. Imagine you created something really cool, right? Especially music, cause I think music is so special to people, right? And then somebody stole it, right? And you can't even because of how you're perceived.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Black culture.

• 39:25Theo Von?

  That's what I'm saying. But how you perceived at that time especially, you couldn't even go in and say, hey, this person stole it.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  Ain't even gonna represent you. Who you gonna represent you to go after that?

• 39:33Theo Von?

  Swallow all of it.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  So you gotta see your craft being fucked, bro. But that's the part of being black, bro. That's the anger that you know you being robbed of your shit.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  Raped of your character. You being character assassinationated. You being conspired and it's like you still gotta find the energy to put yourself up.

• 39:52Theo Von?

  Fucking put your shoes on.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Exactly. Just like being a football player, like, yo, boy, don't forget, a football player is a number, right? It's your number.

• 39:59Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  They picking many of you.

• 40:00Theo Von?

  Number eighty-four, number seventy-two, number, yeah.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  It's all a number. So I was like, it's gonna come to an end. You know what I'm saying? Like, what you gonna, what you want me to leave when I'm hurt? Or you want me to leave when they don't want me no more? Okay, so how I'm gonna go transition to another job?

• 40:13Theo Von?

  Right.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Are they gonna be, are they gonna take, oh, all I could be is a, a coach? Like, I can't even show up on time to be a player, like.

• 40:19Theo Von?

  Bruh, if you worked for FedEx, you can get that bitch there quick, bruh.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Nah, I can't work for FedEx.

• 40:24Theo Von?

  But I'm just saying, bruh.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. But that's like an average job, like from a god coming in.

• 40:29Theo Von?

  You know how fast you can get that bitch there, bruh? Less than overnight, bruh.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  You know how many hits I took?

• 40:34Theo Von?

  AB service, bruh. You get that thing there fast, bruh. You put a post right on that thing, bruh.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Imagine how many times I hit the ground. I played football since I was six years old.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  To like thirty-one, like, yo, twenty-seven years of somebody you waking up, not even thinking in reality, my life is like, yo, how could I get open on Theo? I'm living this. This is my life, waking up. How I'm gonna get open? How I'm gonna win the? That's not even real life deal.

• 40:58Theo Von?

  Well, is it?

• 40:59Speaker 01

  I mean, it's a short part of the life.

• 41:01Theo Von?

  Right.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  It's a stint.

• 41:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's not real life is, but it's definitely like.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Nah, it's real, but it's like, yo, it's a, just a part of your life to get to a position in life where you can live a better life.

• 41:10Theo Von?

  Right.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Cause how many opportunities you got when you coming out of a black neighborhood? Like what you really could do? You either could represent the neighborhood, rapping, or doing some stuff.

• 41:20Theo Von?

  Okay, rapping, maybe civ- uh, civet, like you know, um, uh, politics, you could be a-

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Nah, I know black guy come from Fred's city, man.

• 41:28Theo Von?

  Oh, come on, they got some, what about that dude at the Trump thing the other day?

• 41:32Speaker 01

  That was smokes and jokes.

• 41:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah, bro.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  That was smokes and jokes.

• 41:35Theo Von?

  The guy at the Trump thing, do you see him?

• 41:37Speaker 01

  I see him, pull him up, let me see the guy, let me see what he was repping.

• 41:41Theo Von?

  Oh, bro, he was like, yeah.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  He was repping?

• 41:43Theo Von?

  He was Martin Luther X, he was trying to be everybody.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. It's like, it just looked like a joke.

• 41:49Theo Von?

  He was trying to be everybody.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was the nigga of the day.

• 41:55Theo Von?

  Oh, he was?

• 41:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, he definitely was. He's the only black guy doing some shit like that at that type of event.

• 41:59Theo Von?

  Damn, well, you know what I'm talking about.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Exactly. I've been watching.

• 42:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah, man, that was, yeah, he was-

• 42:05Speaker 01

  That was hilarious.

• 42:06Theo Von?

  He was doing a lot, oh damn, that's us right there already.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Us, yeah, I'm putting us up.

• 42:09Theo Von?

  And that's, who is that guy right there? That's a real-

• 42:12Speaker 01

  He the cracker of the day.

• 42:13Theo Von?

  Oh, he got it.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  He got the ginger beer with the black fro.

• 42:16Theo Von?

  Oh, he look like-

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Nah, he's rocking out.

• 42:18Theo Von?

  He'll sneak in your bank.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Yo, who is your top five flyest crackers? Cause you gotta be up there.

• 42:24Theo Von?

  Oh, well, I'm not up there, man.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Give me your top five, give me your top five flyest crackers in the world that you know.

• 42:28Theo Von?

  Wow, that I know or that I've seen or whatever?

• 42:31Speaker 01

  That you'll give top five?

• 42:32Theo Von?

  All right, straight up, out the gate, man, my dog, uh, Brian Purvis, bro, who I grew up with, bro.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:38Theo Von?

  One OG Wiga kid.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:41Theo Von?

  When they used to have him, bro, I used to have a lot of more younger, kind of like, Wiga type of kids, you know?

• 42:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:46Theo Von?

  Like, you know what I'm talking about? Bring him up right there, Covington man, one of the accused of attempted murder and armed robbery, that's my dog right there, Brian Purvis, bro.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  He won it right now? That was a long time ago?

• 42:54Theo Von?

  Nah, they got him right now.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 42:56Theo Von?

  But he'll be back. You can't hold him down, bro. He was in learning disabled, bro. Because they put him in there for wanting to be a, they'd never seen a white kid that wanted to be black, right? They put him in learning disabled, bro.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  They do that to him.

• 43:08Theo Von?

  So you had people that had real learning disabilities in there, fucking Knock Knock Wilson was in that bitch. And then you had Brian Purvis just in there, wearing like a Scottie Pippen jersey and fucking just flexing.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Just got swag, right?

• 43:20Theo Von?

  Yeah, they're like, nah, we never seen this shit. He must be mentally handicapped.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. When people don't see something they're used to, they just throw you to the wolves and that shit could create trauma. Imagine what trauma that created in that kid.

• 43:31Theo Von?

  Yeah, man.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  I made him a demon.

• 43:33Theo Von?

  He trying to flex a Larry Johnson jersey and they put him in there, man.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  They ain't understand him, man.

• 43:39Theo Von?

  So he would be, he's definitely, he's in there, bro. He's goaded. He's locked in.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  I respect that.

• 43:44Theo Von?

  Other beautiful crackers that are out there that is still existing well in the world, hmm. Let me try to find a good.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Travis Kelsey not up there?

• 43:54Theo Von?

  Nah, he's good, man, but they, there's so much now. Everywhere is getting, it's too much Kelsey. I'm over Kelsey'd at the moment.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  So he's not in your cracker top five?

• 44:03Theo Von?

  He's not in my cracker top five. Yeah. I'm gonna keep thinking as we go along, I'll name some more.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Okay, I like that. Who your niggas of the day? Your top five niggas?

• 44:12Theo Von?

  Let's don't put it like that if we can, okay? Because, okay, you know, well, uh, let me think, some great, um...

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Never ignorant, getting goals accomplished, come on.

• 44:20Theo Von?

  Gang, gang, gang, baby, let me think.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Come on.

• 44:23Theo Von?

  Well, let's go through some of the criteria. First of all,

• 44:25Speaker 01

  All the criteria.

• 44:25Theo Von?

  What is a criteria? Cause you have cracker of the day.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  I feel like...

• 44:28Theo Von?

  What's a criteria to become a cracker of the day?

• 44:31Speaker 01

  You just got a good cracker energy. You know what I mean? Feeling like a boss or you doing something, you did something that was... Everybody loved their crackers. What's your favorite crackers, anyway?

• 44:41Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  What kind of crackers you eating and watching? What's your favorite snack cracker?

• 44:44Theo Von?

  Just a straight up that saltine that came.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Night.

• 44:49Theo Von?

  I think it just said crackers on the box, right there. There's a cracker of the day right there, a young white fellow with a joint.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 44:56Theo Von?

  Oh, and there you go. So these are some good crackers right there. Oh, that's Travis.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, Travis acting like your guy. He got the gun with the Florida swag. He was looking at it as your boy like he looking a little awkward right there, but.

• 45:07Theo Von?

  He got that Draco on him, baby. He pulling up.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Trevor Lawrence.

• 45:10Theo Von?

  Trevor Lawrence, yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a $200 million quarterback right there.

• 45:14Theo Von?

  Is he really?

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, for the Jaguars, holding the scrap in Florida. Looking like, he looking like he know Yak.

• 45:19Theo Von?

  But you gotta have that in Florida.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  He know the sniper game standing like that. Right? That swag though, right?

• 45:25Theo Von?

  You got, in Florida, yeah.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  That Florida swag right there.

• 45:28Theo Von?

  You gotta have that. That's a Florida birth certificate, a fucking.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Being a cracker of the day is just being a cracker that is.

• 45:33Theo Von?

  That's showing up.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Exemplify confidence, boss-like energy, and that give people that happiness. Like, what do you see when you see Trevor Lawrence posted up with a Florida game at his top? Looking like a teenager, holding the scrap, like he's in Florida, understanding the culture and the energy of what's going around him.

• 45:50Theo Von?

  I say, you know what? Let's give him one more year.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Give him one more year?

• 45:53Theo Von?

  That's what I say. You know what I'm saying? Let's re-sign him for another year.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's coming back. Yeah, that's locked him in.

• 45:57Theo Von?

  That's what he give me.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Look at this guy right here. He under major pressure. Zayn Gonzalez. He gotta win the game for these guys. This is the cracker of your type energy. He fixed his hair. Ain't none of your head. Ain't none of your head, Zayn. But he got that cracker energy like he's really under that pressure. He understanding this moment. It's a big moment, and he's getting his fucking hair fixed.

• 46:17Theo Von?

  That's crack of the day.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  That's crack of the season, right? That's it, right there.

• 46:21Theo Von?

  No ER, bro. That's.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Yo, he got the game on the line, and he's going to get the shit done. He fucking scratching ass right now. He fucking fanning out the fade.

• 46:32Theo Von?

  Let me make sure my fade so I don't fade this ball, man. That's what he's thinking.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  The pressure on me? All these fucking black guys couldn't win the fucking game?

• 46:40Theo Von?

  That's a good point, bro.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  All these dickheads?

• 46:42Theo Von?

  Every time the white, the kicker goes in, the truth should be, all these black guys couldn't win the game.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Couldn't do it?

• 46:48Theo Von?

  And they trying to act like now it's up to me.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  And not a pressure on me. And he bout to shit bricks. Look at him. Yo, best play. Look at Zayn fixing his fade. One tap. Let's back it up, let's see how many times he fixes shit. He fixes shit like 20 times. Fix your hair.

• 47:02Theo Von?

  Man, he did.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  Yo, can we get the count? He fucking, and he's two for two.

• 47:07Theo Von?

  He's two for two right there.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  And he's still fucking rubbing his head.

• 47:10Theo Von?

  He right.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  But he's understanding the moment.

• 47:12Theo Von?

  He's in, oh, look at him, he went overtime right there. He did overtime at the end. But you gotta look good for your moment, too.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  No, but he look like his ass is tight right now. Look a little Trump Jr. right here.

• 47:24Theo Von?

  Now, what about him? Now, how does he, now, how does the, how does the community feel about him?

• 47:27Speaker 01

  That kid is like he's the next fucking, that kid look like he's the next fucking president and fucking assassin.

• 47:35Theo Von?

  He the young Don.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Nah, he's just like a young Trump, his body language, his face you move it like. It's like he got a subtle confidence, like he knows something we don't know. He look like one of them alfalfa kids, like just a kid.

• 47:47Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, like he got it figured out, like, yeah, this, yeah, that's.

• 47:52Theo Von?

  I respect, he doesn't put himself out there, he doesn't try to do too much.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  No, he's a boss, man. He got the mannerism of, like, he already got it figured out. It's like, he's one of those, one of those special beautiful crackers, like you go to him. When you got a problem, he just make the problem solution.

• 48:10Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, he changed it, like, right there, he look like he ready to change the tide. He look like, he's just Trump's son, he's like, he's a younger Trump, like. The amazing thing Trump have done, you know, I got on his shirt today, man.

• 48:22Theo Von?

  I didn't see that, man.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, shout out to Trump, you know.

• 48:24Theo Von?

  Yeah, and, and thank you for telling me.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Give me the shout outs, too.

• 48:27Theo Von?

  I didn't realize that they did, that they, yeah, at that point, after all of the things, man, every, a lot of people got on Trump's, a lot of convicts, inmates, people that had ever been accused of crimes a million times, that the, that didn't trust the justice system, they all got on his side.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Cause they knew Trump understand what it felt like.

• 48:44Theo Von?

  Right, now he knows what it feels like.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  The bill like a nigga. Trump showed the world what it was, and he freed some of my guys.

• 48:53Theo Von?

  Did he?

• 48:53Speaker 01

  Sniper game, shout out to Kodak Black, you know Kodak Black.

• 48:55Theo Von?

  Yeah, he freed Kodak?

• 48:56Speaker 01

  KB, KB Kodak Black.

• 48:58Theo Von?

  I wish them pills would free him, cause he been seeming like he been going through it.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  No, listen, hold on, let's get this clear, right? Anytime a black guy is being judged, or missed, underscrewed, or Kodak Black is a genius, hold up.

• 49:12Theo Von?

  Oh, I agree with that.

• 49:14Speaker 01

  Why do when a black guy is representing culture and representing something that you may not understand, they just be like, oh, he on drugs? It seem like every black rapper who become really well, he's associated with drugs.

• 49:28Theo Von?

  You think so?

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Future. What did everybody know Future for? Percocet, Molly Percocet. But that's what everybody, that's what people were singing.

• 49:38Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Now, all of a sudden, Kodak Black get his life together, doing billion dollar businesses, opening up stuff right here locally in Florida, signing artists, getting other people opportunity to live. He's a million dollar rapper.

• 49:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  He's not just some drug addict guy who just, he fucking got big businesses. He got a team and houses.

• 49:57Theo Von?

  Oh, he's a real business.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  A real business.

• 49:58Theo Von?

  No doubt.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  A real.

• 50:00Theo Von?

  But you, I think you, I think, yeah, you're right, you know, I'm definitely judging just off of video clips that I see and stuff like that.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  You see a nappy hair guy with gold, you look like a grime.

• 50:07Theo Von?

  No, I don't see the nappy hair and gold. I don't, that's not the part of the judgment. Some of it is, some of his behaviors and mannerisms make me think.

• 50:13Speaker 01

  Okay, what's the behavior?

• 50:14Theo Von?

  Just some of the like things where he's kind of fading in and out of consciousness.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  That's a part of being an artist.

• 50:19Theo Von?

  It could be.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  He's still in his artist streak.

• 50:21Theo Von?

  You're right.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  That's what big people draw to him. He's an artist, but you just can't throw him to the side like, not every time he doing something cool or if he doing the lazy move.

• 50:30Theo Von?

  Oh, he do the crazy. He got the, definitely, he got like, uh.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  He got different dance. He's got the, he got the bop. He's got the swag.

• 50:36Theo Von?

  He got, oh, he has like, it's almost like a, like a redesign of Bobby Shmurda, like the, you know what I'm saying, a totally different like.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Yo, he's like, he's like the African, he's like the Haiti king, man. He's like.

• 50:48Theo Von?

  Oh, I didn't even think of him being Haitian. Is he Haitian?

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Of course. You know what it's like to be in Haiti? Yo, Haiti don't got water all night like America.

• 50:55Theo Von?

  Really?

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Bro, in Haiti, you gotta hang your clothes when you wash them on the line. TV, if you go around the front of the house, your brother wearing your drawers. You see the whole neighborhood wearing your clothes. Your clothes gone. You don't fucking wait with us clothes?

• 51:10Theo Von?

  You fucking stand right by there and watch them bitches drop.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Because your clothes, your boxers is wearing by your brother. It's Haiti. They not getting clothes.

• 51:18Theo Von?

  You're right, man.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Bro, it's a different life. So, before you quick to write off people.

• 51:23Theo Von?

  I didn't write him off. You're saying jump to conclusions.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  I feel like, I'm not saying you, I'm saying they. I'm saying they.

• 51:29Theo Von?

  But I'm part of that. You're right, jumping to conclusions, right?

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Because sometimes we all do it. I see a clip and jump to conclusions, but sometimes you got, we all guilty. I'm not saying you, it's us as humans. As humans.

• 51:40Theo Von?

  Just as humans, yeah.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  As humans, because we all get the same hours, we all feel the same emotion, we all go through the same things. We just gotta know how to be better people because they emanate. Better world.

• 51:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  If we work together better and we get to know each other better, we can do better things.

• 51:54Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  All we are here together, we all need each other, no matter what you got or what we got. We all gotta go to work together to make something work.

• 52:00Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  That's what called an ecosystem.

• 52:02Theo Von?

  Economic.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  Economic. Yeah, you know, I knew this shit.

• 52:06Theo Von?

  I knew you knew it. I knew you knew it, man.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, but yeah, man, that's what we trying to do. We trying to bridge together the racism to bring more people together. So it's not a default of having your guy in prison because someone do. Cause bro, being placed in a position could make you feel away. Imagine your guy who you love, you put in your top fire crackers, not because what he got, not because what he doing. Because what his heart is like and what position he was put in. And that position that was put in permeated his behavior because he felt like shit, everybody gave up on me. And that is not a colored thing or that's a human thing. Anybody who put it under the circumstance of everybody saying fuck you, eventually you gonna say fuck you.

• 52:51Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 52:52Theo Von?

  Well, it's so funny, that's, I think that's one of the, I think when I was young, I did like, I could sometimes. I don't even know if this is racist to say, man, but I'mma say.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Say that shit.

• 53:02Theo Von?

  Well.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Get it off your chest, bro.

• 53:04Theo Von?

  Hold on, let's.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  We all from different ways of the world, sometimes.

• 53:06Theo Von?

  I would look at, sometimes I would see black people or black, other black kids and stuff. And I would be like, that's, I, I don't know what their life was like, but it'd be like, I, that's, I feel the same way they do. There's a little part of me.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  It's a connection, bro.

• 53:21Theo Von?

  That has the same feeling, like, like I just, I just felt like the world hated me so, like.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  Cause you different, bro, you come from Louisiana, your country, look at your haircut, the way you talk.

• 53:31Theo Von?

  Yeah, I don't know what it was, just in my, just whatever it was, it was, there was something inside of me that fucking was like.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  You feel like you a different guy, bro, you got a creativity to give to the world, bro, you got a connection.

• 53:43Theo Von?

  But sometimes I could, there was this little part of me that felt like I could mildly.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Relate, bro.

• 53:48Theo Von?

  Relate mildly. I'm not saying I don't know what it's like to be like somebody's life and I'm, I'm not trying to keep interrupting you, I just wanna be clear, I'm not trying to.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Respect. I'm here with you, I know you, you a guy, man, it's gang town.

• 53:58Theo Von?

  Um, so if those, so the cracker today, so those, it's just, it's a.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  It's just the bringing, bridge the gap between people loving each other.

• 54:06Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Cause bro, say some of the words that crack is made up, like we all got different legal and we all like it.

• 54:12Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 54:14Theo Von?

  But you gotta watch people's intention though too, that's a huge thing in.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  No, but that's what I'm saying. The ex Elon Musk gave us an opportunity on X app to speak freely and positively bring people together. So imagine I was started a cracker at a day to bring positivity to people.

• 54:29Theo Von?

  It is fun.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  It's fun.

• 54:30Theo Von?

  People send them all the time now.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Bro, everywhere I go, they're like, yo, A B, can you make me the cracker? Cause it's energy is, bro, the world is making people feel better. No matter who you is, people just wanna feel good and live a good life. We all know one thing in the world, right? We gonna pay taxes and die.

• 54:46Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  So.

• 54:47Theo Von?

  In the meantime.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  In the meantime, let's just live a good life, man, cause we don't know when the day is gonna happen. Let's just build each other up. I got black baby moms, white baby moms, I love all people. Everyone should love each other and we should.

• 54:59Theo Von?

  Well, yeah, no shit we should. We're just having a tough time doing it.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Nah, because that's why we need more people like you, bridging the gap, talking about the stuff that's uncomfortable. Making awareness. You should bring a black guy up here who going through some shit and speak to a guy or bring awareness. Raise awareness so people know you know what's going on. We can't change the rules that's in way of the world, but we can allow people to know we aware of what's going on and we could be a part of the thing that make people feel good.

• 55:26Theo Von?

  Yeah, let us least, let us least.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Do our due diligence.

• 55:29Theo Von?

  To also, but just to show each other that we're aware.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  And that's, I ain't saying you owe me.

• 55:36Theo Von?

  Right.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  But act like you know me. Don't act like you don't know what we facing. Cause that's what people were, if people knew other people was aware and they was encouraging, more people are high. Now your friend who in that situation, he'll make a better decision because he'll understand when he feeling the trauma like, yo, it's okay to be how you. It's okay to feel how you feel. That's the freedom of the world.

• 55:55Theo Von?

  Right, you don't have to hide your feelings.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  You don't have to hide who you wanna be or who you are.

• 56:00Theo Von?

  Right.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  And if people misjudge you. And that's why we raise awareness to bring people with that misjudgment to make those people feel good while they're going through their trauma.

• 56:10Theo Von?

  And humor does it, because we all facing trauma. And humor does it the most because it's that one, you're like, okay.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  I could get through that, I know what they mean.

• 56:17Theo Von?

  It's okay to connect these two things.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  It's okay.

• 56:20Theo Von?

  And it's funny.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 56:22Theo Von?

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• 57:07Theo Von?

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• 57:52Theo Von?

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• 58:35Theo Von?

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• 59:18Speaker 01

  He was the funniest cracker of the year.

• 59:20Theo Von?

  Funniest cracker of the year. And I agree, very funny man, and the funniest cracker of the year. I agree, he got my vote. Now, my question is, there was said that there was a prize where whoever won it got to say the N-word one time. Is that true or not?

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:33Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Because I feel like everybody in their life have said the nigger, the word. You said it rapping the song. It's a part of it, bro. Everyone said it. And kids, even Tom Brady one time told me, man, my son was asking me about it. Because it's the curious thing, it's like you put power on the word, like, don't say that, because... But words could mean whatever you want them to mean. It's all about how you take it, interpret it within yourself.

• 59:56Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  If you say I'm your favorite nigger, it's like, yeah, I'm your favorite black guy. You know what I'm saying? If I say you my nigga, that mean like you my god, like you my brother.

• 1:00:05Theo Von?

  If somebody says it to, if a black fellow says that to me, I feel pretty good for the afternoon.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  You like you my nigga, like I fuck with you, like we genuine, we have a bond and I care about you.

• 1:00:13Theo Von?

  I feel like, okay.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:00:14Theo Von?

  Let's do it, huh?

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  My god.

• 1:00:16Theo Von?

  I wanna buy some fucking Jays, you know?

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 1:00:18Theo Von?

  I'm fucking ready to do this. But now, was, is there, why don't black people lease the N-word out to be said like at a certain event or something? I think there could be a lot of money in that. Is that crazy to say that?

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  I feel like just how you use it, you know, sometimes.

• 1:00:32Theo Von?

  Oh, I agree. I don't mean using it in a derogatory way, but say like, tonight they had, like Angelina Jolie was paying 50 bands to say it, right? On you, on a, on a live stream?

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  That'd be cool.

• 1:00:42Theo Von?

  And you sold tickets?

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  Cause you would wanna see how she say it.

• 1:00:44Theo Von?

  So that's the thing.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Cause if she said like she had slaves, like she said it.

• 1:00:47Theo Von?

  Right, right.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Cause I might be fucking a white girl, I'll be like, yo, call me a nigga.

• 1:00:51Theo Von?

  Oh damn, who are these people?

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  You don't like that?

• 1:00:54Theo Von?

  Huh? I have no idea if I like it or not, but I just think like, it's like.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  It's prerogative.

• 1:01:00Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? It's like exciting. It's just like, I'll, it's fucking.

• 1:01:05Theo Von?

  And will they do it sometimes?

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:06Theo Von?

  No way.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  Why wouldn't they? I'll smack them on the ass.

• 1:01:09Theo Von?

  Oh damn, I don't know, I don't know.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Get it up.

• 1:01:12Theo Von?

  Oh, I didn't know they're doing all that. So I guess if somebody's fucking you, you can say it? That's crazy.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  No, how many times you said the word nigga, just like rapping a song or?

• 1:01:22Theo Von?

  Oh, probably just a couple hundred times though, I bet.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. It's, it's a, it's a part of the words and we don't have to hide our feelings as people of saying stuff to be a normcy.

• 1:01:31Theo Von?

  Right, right. To feel, yeah, when it goes against kind of what's normalcy, but I think it's, yeah, obviously you want it out of like, people that are using it in like a derogatory way, but do you?

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  I feel like when people get mad, anyway, they gonna use it in a derogatory way because that's what they was taught, to give off negative energy. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:01:47Theo Von?

  I used it one time, there was a black cat or whatever was crossing my path or something and I was furious.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  What you said, look at this nigga? Say that shit, let me hear how you said it. Say that shit, Theo. Right now, say that shit.

• 1:02:01Theo Von?

  It was around Halloween.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Alright, let me hear how you say that shit. Let me hear.

• 1:02:04Theo Von?

  I cannot, bro.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  Why you can't say it?

• 1:02:06Theo Von?

  Bro, cuz it's not gonna end well, I don't think.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  Why would it not end well? It's the N-word, bro. Vocabulary.

• 1:02:13Theo Von?

  We have to bleep it out, don't we?

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Nah, don't bleep it out, bro. Like, just start with like, just like, no, hold on, hold on. Just be like, AB, you're my favorite nigga.

• 1:02:21Theo Von?

  Alright, AB.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Alright, perfect.

• 1:02:24Theo Von?

  Wow, why did we say it, man? I can't be saying that kinda shit. I don't wanna say it anymore.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Never, nigga, me, never ignorant. Never ignorant getting goals accomplished. It's all about what the acronym stand for, bro. Words, words can mean whatever you wanna mean, bro.

• 1:02:39Theo Von?

  But you can't be running, you can't be, I can't be out at the mall or something and saying it and some, and I'm trying to stop somebody, like, hey, here the acronym, you know? Like, that's a thing. I don't wanna say it anymore.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  When people know you from, that you grew up with black people all your life.

• 1:02:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, but I just don't wanna say it anymore, man. How about this? Let me think about this.

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  No, but cuz think about it. We gotta change, reverse racism.

• 1:02:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  And that's what the cracker of the day is about, to make the comfortability, because you don't have to hide some, you're like...

• 1:03:04Theo Von?

  But you could say, you my G, you my champ. You know?

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  No, no, no, calling me your favorite nigga. It's not a bad thing, because, again, why?

• 1:03:11Theo Von?

  In fifty years, people will look back and think that this is important conversation, I think.

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  Of course, this is important conversation, because we're educating each other and we bridging the gap of racism.

• 1:03:19Theo Von?

  We should not be doing that, dude. You and me, dude.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  This is where we at. This is where we at in life, bro.

• 1:03:23Theo Von?

  That's true, this is where we are. You're right.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  This is where we are, bro, right now. That's where we are, bro. That's why Trump the president. That's why Trump went through all that stuff, try, being assassinated.

• 1:03:32Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  That's a black person thing. Going through fucking the court system.

• 1:03:36Theo Von?

  Every day.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  And he's showing that it's bullshit, cuz he's showing that...

• 1:03:39Theo Von?

  Bro, he was at court, left court, only to try to be assassinated and had to go back to court.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  That's fucking being like Martin Luther King, fucking Malcolm X, all these fucking black guys in history that we just went over. Cracker of the year, bro.

• 1:03:51Theo Von?

  Right there, man.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  To show all black people that he understand what it take to be a nigga.

• 1:03:57Theo Von?

  Gang, gang, bro.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Assassinated, courtism. It's like, come on, he freed, he freed, court of life.

• 1:04:04Theo Von?

  Third wife, tall son, that's black stuff.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Of course, he got baby moms. I don't hear about his child support.

• 1:04:11Theo Von?

  It's heavy, dude. But I'm saying this though. You don't think say if Angelina Jolie was gonna rattle off an N word at 7:30 tonight, right? You don't, and you got, and the black community sold it on a live stream, right? People could log on and pay to watch it.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  They gonna love that because know what they gonna like? They gonna know Angelina love black culture, she can say nigga.

• 1:04:30Theo Von?

  Right, but she, but also then that money-

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  And not hide it. When you could be a realist and be truthful who you are and not hide who you is because that's when you being fake. What's being fake, TV? Hiding who you is. So if you already saying it to yourself at Halloween, why you don't say it with your brother? I'm your nigga, I'm your, one of your niggas.

• 1:04:48Theo Von?

  I just don't wanna say it anymore.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  You gotta feel like a man when you say this shit, bro. You already saying it. Don't be fake, cuz that's the culture-

• 1:04:55Theo Von?

  I'm not gonna fake it now, I just don't like it.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Because that's faking it when you send it in secret and you're not able to say it around your peoples. That's why I'm making Cracker of the Year the nominee. You're my favorite cracker, these are my favorite crackers because yo, these are my guys, these are my brothers. These the gang gang, these the people I kinda wanna look up to, these the people who run in the world and putting me in position.

• 1:05:14Theo Von?

  Well, it's funny because you really kinda but came into this position like, I got a text from Rogan, uh, yesterday, last night.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  Big time.

• 1:05:22Theo Von?

  Middle of the night, I don't know, he like, he's the human owl, bro.

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  Bro, he's the fucking smart genius, one of my, one of the fucking crackers of the year, he's beautiful.

• 1:05:30Theo Von?

  I didn't know he was cracking the year.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  Man, Rogan won some shit too, he was a poser, he won, what do you mean?

• 1:05:34Theo Von?

  I didn't know he won, I thought you only gave one award out.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  Yo, we had a lot of awards, you missed, we had like 12 awards.

• 1:05:39Theo Von?

  You did?

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:41Theo Von?

  Bro, I love what you're doing though because it's so-

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  We reversing racism, man, I love, love all people, we are human.

• 1:05:47Theo Von?

  It's new.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  Anytimes, this is like the Kodak Black thing, I go back to one of my friends, Kodak Black, Tony O'Brien, KBAB. The guy move Artistry and now they think he on drugs. Why he got on drugs? This guy just got a nice bop to himself that sell his music, the guy write his own rhymes, I seen him in the closet. He fucking write the rhymes, come back and put them, it's like fucking genius. Genius level, kid been through so much adversity, never gave up. Sniper game, it's not to kill people, it's to see the goal and hit it.

• 1:06:16Theo Von?

  Gang dude, how do you get in that? Is there?

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  Sniper gang, Kodak Black, I'mma tell him you wanna be in.

• 1:06:20Theo Von?

  Oh, that's his club?

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  This is gang. This is gang, that's my brother. I got one to change.

• 1:06:24Theo Von?

  No, I love Kodak, man. I don't think anybody like him. But you're right, I jumped to his conclusion and thought he was, yeah. Oh, I think, he reminds me of Lil Wayne in a way, bro.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Like Wayne? That, because think about it, we grew up with this kid for, he's killed almost a decade in rapping, hits, records, and while going through adversity, Lil Wayne went through adversity. He was with the hot boys, went by himself, was the only guy who would cash money and fucking turned genius, while going through adversity, went to prison, came back. Kodak Black went through the same fucking shit and still on top of the game in music and creativity and artistry.

• 1:06:57Theo Von?

  And unique, but to come through all of that.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  The perseverance, fucking shout out to Donald Trump, man, for freeing him, man. I love Kodak Black, man, not every, from Haiti, if your clothes not off of the line, your clothes gone, man.

• 1:07:09Theo Von?

  That's it, baby, if your clothes ain't off of the line, your clothes gone, bro.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  So imagine what it's like, it's not water all night, it's not America, man, you ain't got water all night.

• 1:07:17Theo Von?

  You got water all night, motherfucker.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Imagine that.

• 1:07:20Theo Von?

  Rich ass.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  You coming back over here with little clothes, man, you ain't got no clothes.

• 1:07:24Theo Von?

  Your shit shrunk.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  You got nothing.

• 1:07:26Theo Von?

  What if a big dude borrow your shit and the next day you gotta wear it again?

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Nothing, man, ain't no clothes out there, it's bad. So it's like, yo, man, we gotta continue to bridge the gap with people who don't understand and make the uncomfortable comfortable.

• 1:07:39Theo Von?

  Respect.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  You know what I mean, and I feel like, we got the power to do that. We got the voice and people, you know, and we already doing it. If you already said no word, nigga, then it should be comfortable when you see one of your favorite niggas, they be like, yo.

• 1:07:50Theo Von?

  What's up, my buddy?

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  I'm your favorite nigga.

• 1:07:52Theo Von?

  I think, well, I think there could be a day.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  I feel like you gotta get the comfortability, the growing, you gotta.

• 1:07:57Theo Von?

  I can't practice that out in the wild, man.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  You gotta practice it with me, I'm your black friend, you gonna need to practice with your black friend.

• 1:08:02Theo Von?

  Okay, we, yeah, I could, yeah.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  You gotta practice it with your, yeah, just call me, we have niggerisms. I'll call you for crackerisms.

• 1:08:08Theo Von?

  Okay, okay, hold on.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  We'll just break bread, like, yo, if, if, you feel me? What do you say if you didn't have no breakfast waking up as a black guy?

• 1:08:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  Fuck, we just eat a bag of chips.

• 1:08:18Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  If you didn't have no food as a white guy.

• 1:08:20Theo Von?

  Bro.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  You like, yo, mom, we don't have breakfast, mom, you know? It's, you know, but we breaking bread with just culture things, because that's what I'm saying. Culture create the economy.

• 1:08:32Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? So we created diverse culture where we could talk about the uncomfortability. Seen Kanye West, one of my close friends, talk about the uncomfortability and get people on his ass, like. But the only thing he was doing was speaking of truth of uncomfortability, he wasn't trying to bring nobody down. He just said something that made people uncomfortable, but as humans, let's practice more with.

• 1:08:53Theo Von?

  Saying stuff that makes people uncomfortable somewhere?

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  No, no, let's make the uncomfortable comfortable. Let's not make people uncomfortable. Let's work towards bridging racism to make everyone, man, it's okay if a white person act like he black. Kodak Black wanna be Kodak White sometimes. Sometimes he wanna be a white boy, act like a, he wanna act like a white boy. Let him act like a white boy sometime because guess what? Michael Jackson wanted to be, Michael Jackson wanted to be a white boy. He turned white.

• 1:09:17Theo Von?

  And an Asian woman. He wanted to be everything.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Michael Jackson bleached his skin to turn into a white guy.

• 1:09:23Theo Von?

  Imagine what was going on inside of him, man.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  Of course, cuz he figured it out, man. Maybe it's a little better if I look like them.

• 1:09:29Theo Von?

  Right. Maybe somebody will care about me if I look like this or something.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  No, they'll maybe the biggest artist ever because now it, it'll look more better.

• 1:09:35Theo Von?

  You think?

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  I mean, if, if a black guy ran the world, who you think he would put in position?

• 1:09:40Theo Von?

  You know what? That's a good point. You, if Michael Jackson didn't look like he looked, do you think he would have been the same successive artist? Might be right. Might not have.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  You know, who knows?

• 1:09:50Theo Von?

  Might not have. Not in a bad way or anything, but just no judgment, which is as a fact, he might not have.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  He was a black head singing in groups.

• 1:09:56Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? He turned white and went solo.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Exactly. He wouldn't have talked like that as a white guy. I was like, that's different.

• 1:10:06Theo Von?

  That's interesting, man.

• 1:10:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, man, they had, um, what was that thing? What were you just talking about?

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  If Michael Jackson was alive, he'll ask me to smoke one for him.

• 1:10:17Theo Von?

  Did he smoke a lot of pot or not, Michael Jackson? Bring it up.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  You know, Michael Jackson was really like how they portrayed him to the world was different of how he really was.

• 1:10:24Theo Von?

  Well, I heard he really liked women. That's what I've heard.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  He used to call women fish. Yeah, good fish. Bring her. Yeah. He give a woman hug. Yeah, you could do more than hug me.

• 1:10:33Theo Von?

  And they never showed that side of him.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  They never, ever will because they don't need to. We need to show him in a.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Real submissive. You don't need to be a black guy like.

• 1:10:43Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  Dominant with his dick on the table.

• 1:10:46Theo Von?

  Cause so you think they was they, that's the thing, how media can change so much the perception, but they can't do that as much anymore.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  Cause now we got the, we got the X op. Thank Elon Musk, we good.

• 1:10:56Theo Von?

  I will say that, man. That is one thing I felt like he was up, it was something where, yeah, wow, you can say anything you want over here.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  Cause maybe me and you could get on the X op and be like, alright, TV and AB are talking crackerism and niggerism. Yo, TV, if you go to a black party, how I should act at a black party? You should probably show up forty, you probably show up an hour late.

• 1:11:18Theo Von?

  Hour late?

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, and bring some food.

• 1:11:21Theo Von?

  Couple babes with me too.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  Of course, bring in the hotties. We need decoration. You know what decoration? Shit that look good.

• 1:11:27Theo Von?

  Bottles in the club, yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  You feel me?

• 1:11:30Theo Von?

  Maybe cause I'm a thug. Right when I walk in, put on Trick Daddy, bruh. I'll fucking stand on the porch, dog.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:11:38Theo Von?

  If you don't put on Trick Daddy, I ain't fucking coming in.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  It's a thug holiday. It's a thug holiday.

• 1:11:44Theo Von?

  All day, every day, every goddamn thug. R.I.P. Trick, man.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  R.I.P. Trick. Trick's still alive, man.

• 1:11:51Theo Von?

  Oh, he is, damn, bro.

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  Crazy. You gotta come to Miami, man.

• 1:11:54Theo Von?

  I didn't know he's down there.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  That's why we got, of course, Trick got his soul food restaurant. He cook.

• 1:11:59Theo Von?

  Nuh-uh.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Of course, he got me, he get crazy with his box. See, me and you was just talking niggerism and crackerism, cause I feel like you got.

• 1:12:06Theo Von?

  I don't know how many times we can say that on here, man.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  What is wrong with that?

• 1:12:09Theo Von?

  They'll stop us, bro. They don't wanna, they don't want us communicating like this. You think they do?

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  Who is they?

• 1:12:13Theo Von?

  Good question.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  We don't even know who's they.

• 1:12:15Theo Von?

  But they out there.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  But we gotta do what God called us to do.

• 1:12:19Theo Von?

  Is communicate.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  That's all we do, having a conversation. We not saying that a conversation could have changed anything. We just opening the minds of people who getting uncomfortable. So they could get comfortable to know two guys from across from the world, from two different, could bridge the gap of being comfortable to talk about.

• 1:12:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  How to see it from both sides.

• 1:12:38Theo Von?

  Yeah, thanks, man. You know what? Cause I think there's not a lot of times where it's like.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  You can hear that.

• 1:12:42Theo Von?

  You feel with like, if you're talking to a black person or a black guy where I feel like, uh. Can we try to just be completely real about what we're thinking? Or what our thoughts have been? Or what our real questions are?

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:12:58Theo Von?

  All of that.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  Put that shit on the table, so it's like.

• 1:13:00Theo Von?

  Dude, I remember first time I ever, uh, I was doing high school sports or something. I was lifting weights and a black friend of mine spotted me, right? He was spotting me? And that was the first time I remember a black guy I'd ever even touched, like.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  A black guy hand?

• 1:13:16Theo Von?

  Touched my hand, yeah, we'd ever, we were spotting each other. But it was like, but I would just remember it, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Thinking about it consciously, like, damn, I never just.

• 1:13:24Theo Von?

  Right, I'd never say, it was the same time when I went into the black doctor, it's like, oh, I'd never, I just had never had, like, would it? Like, okay, you know, let's do it.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  That's why we should talk about niggerism and crackerism, because now it's like, damn. For a person who never had that experience, they could tune in and hear me and you talk from both sides of a culture. And people could dive in and be like, damn, that's pretty cool, it's like that, like, oh, I understand that now. So now if a person be able to go to a black party, they might have the Q and As, and they had a black friend, so like, oh shit, I was in the TV, AB in the space. And AB was telling the TV, like, you go to a black party, how to, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:13:59Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  What the culture is.

• 1:14:00Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  It is like, okay, and the TV was telling AB about like how crackerism, if I was to go to a white party.

• 1:14:06Theo Von?

  Different things.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:08Theo Von?

  Different conversations. Yeah, I think we just have to change the name and take the N-word out of the name, that's gonna be heavy for people.

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:17Theo Von?

  Because you can't have somebody talking to their friend, and like, what are you doing tonight? And they're like, I'm going to this, you know, and they're just.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  I'm listening in, niggerism.

• 1:14:23Theo Von?

  Right, but you can't, if somebody hears that in a, it's just not gonna end well for people, I think. It's gonna be.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Nah, I think we just gotta promote it, a bridge in the culture.

• 1:14:31Theo Von?

  No, I love the bridge in the culture part.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  Everybody saying it, like you said, you said it a hundred times under your breath, so it's like.

• 1:14:38Theo Von?

  No, I've said it, sang it, I mean, in music.

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:14:40Theo Von?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  It's a part of, it's a part of us in music, as a culture of people, so it's like, if you already said something.

• 1:14:46Theo Von?

  People have said it, I know. Some people in our area used to write it in, like, put it in like a piece of paper, and then they would put it, put it in a bottle, like, you know, message in a bottle?

• 1:14:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:55Theo Von?

  And they throw it out in a river or somewhere, you know?

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  I feel like the word has been given so much power through like generations of people.

• 1:15:02Theo Von?

  But it hurt a lot of people so much.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Nah, I feel like it only hurts you if you allow it like. Things in life only give if you give it power to it, you know, like. If you giving it power like, oh man, I don't wanna say it, but I'm saying it's like you giving it. It's like the boogeyman is like, alright, you could go see if he come, but it's like, it's not real, but if you acting like damn, the boogeyman might come. It's like you getting that emotion in yourself, but it's like.

• 1:15:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  I'm glad as people we already, you know, the, the, the biracial interracial uh, uh, it's all.

• 1:15:31Theo Von?

  It's picking up speed. Oh, it's gonna be beige. I say all the time in three generations, everybody gonna be beige.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  It's gonna be a mix.

• 1:15:36Theo Von?

  It's gonna be a complete mix, man, especially at the rate that a lot of, there's a lot of.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  Every white family got some black dick in their family. How many black people you got in your family? One dick, two dicks? How many people?

• 1:15:46Theo Von?

  Let me think, I mean, I definitely.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  There's always some black and a white family, like.

• 1:15:49Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, my, yeah, I mean, my cousin is.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  That's what I mean. So you got black in you, so you can't act like you're not dealing with black people on a day to day yearly basis. That you had, like you play with sports with black people, so you heard, you seen the mannerisms.

• 1:16:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think it was a lot more like growing up for sure.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:16:08Theo Von?

  And if I was at home, probably would still be kinda the same way.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Exactly. So it's like, you grow up with that culture already.

• 1:16:14Theo Von?

  But if we get out, I also know if we can be out there. I mean, what do you guys think? Nick, what do you, is that a realistic program to start or that sounds crazy? I mean.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  Realistic.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  I think it could work, why not?

• 1:16:24Theo Von?

  Well, I disagree with you guys, but.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  Why you think Elon Musk bought the X app from Twitter?

• 1:16:28Theo Von?

  Not by saying the N word.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  To give people the, the amendment back for freedom of speech.

• 1:16:34Theo Von?

  Now, that's a good point.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  If we don't talk about the uncomfortable, how when you have an interracial baby and my interracial baby go to his white side of his family house?

• 1:16:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  Cause he gotta learn that. He gotta understand that because that's some thought he gonna have in his head, just like your friend, and now they gonna be like, damn. You mixed baby, but I want you to act white and then it's like, what if he like wearing the jersey like your friend? Now they like, ah, he fucking won't even wanna be like us. We gonna put him in a fucking LD culture. Now he doing something to ruin his life because somebody made him feel like no one loved him. So he did something wrong out of spite. Because no one loved him. That's what he felt. You know what I'm saying? So we could save.

• 1:17:11Theo Von?

  But he was cold on the court though, I know that.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  But we could have saved him to make him feel like, yo, you, you're not weird. You're not a dickhead or you're not a aw ball, man. You're special. You got, you got energy because you got passion towards something that a lot of people don't. So let's use this energy to the right way. So you don't put yourself in a position where you wanted it. You can't be around your close friend Theo now and see, you know what I mean? You can enjoy the life.

• 1:17:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? So it's like, let's not be quick to shut down on the things that people doing that we already comfortable with.

• 1:17:42Theo Von?

  Think about this, AB, if you had, when, when people who said something that was crazy, right? At first people said, that guy is crazy, right? People said, that motherfucker is crazy, right? Like even if you look.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Write him off, kick him to the.

• 1:17:56Theo Von?

  Write him off, right? Even if you look at like Robert Kennedy Jr., right? I don't care if you like Bobby Kennedy or not. He was a friend of mine before I knew that he was gonna run for politics. We were friends, right? I, I saw him as a, as a reliable, honest friend. And then he started running for politics and he was talking about the vaccines and shit and people said, he's fucking crazy, right? I mean, people, people that knew him, people that mutual friends, like he crazy. And then he made it all, he made it past, I'm crazy, to getting half of the people to believe him, you know?

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Well, that's a part of the journey.

• 1:18:28Theo Von?

  But that's how everybody's done that. Like everybody who ever said anything that was important started off by, it was unimportant, it was not considered of value.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  It was uncomfortable.

• 1:18:37Theo Von?

  It was uncomfortable. That's what I'm saying.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  Kanye West, you seen what his, uh, financial statements say?

• 1:18:41Theo Von?

  Uh-uh. How's he doing?

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Two point seven billion. Pull up Kanye, pull up Ye.

• 1:18:45Theo Von?

  Pull him up, man. Have you seen him recently?

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's in, uh, China right now. He live out in China.

• 1:18:50Theo Von?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Pull up Ye. Look. What it say the network is?

• 1:18:55Theo Von?

  With the network on him. In 2025, Ye's net worth standing at 2.77 billion.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:19:02Theo Von?

  As confirmed by Eton Venture Services. Based on his music portfolio and his sole ownership of the Yeezy Mart.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  Kanye West, the only black guy ever give me $2 million.

• 1:19:11Theo Von?

  He gave you $2 million?

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  $2 million.

• 1:19:13Theo Von?

  For what were y'all doing? Oh, you had Donda, right?

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, just like, yo, maybe I, how much money, then he was like, yo, how much money you want from me?

• 1:19:19Theo Von?

  To pull up and support?

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  No, just like the runner brand, just like, yo.

• 1:19:23Theo Von?

  Is that Donda what you want right now?

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Just Kodak Black right now. Kodak got my Donda piece, but this, this Kodak, this is my new SG chain I just got from Kodak. But yeah.

• 1:19:31Theo Von?

  Wow, that's cool.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  I got the Donda piece, I got that and the new chain of $2 million.

• 1:19:34Theo Von?

  Did he make it himself?

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, he had Icebox make it.

• 1:19:36Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  So like, you think about a guy like that, he said something that was uncomfortable, remember? And what they called him?

• 1:19:44Theo Von?

  They called him?

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  They wrote him off. They did him just like that he a friend.

• 1:19:47Theo Von?

  The media cooked him.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  But guess what? I feel like the black people were so used to being cooked. And during the cook.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  That you just, you know what I'm saying, it's kind of like a part of the history of being cooked.

• 1:20:00Theo Von?

  Well, it's on the grill, bitch, let's see.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Let's cook.

• 1:20:02Theo Von?

  Let's see what happens when things heat up.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:04Theo Von?

  Let's see what happens when things heat up.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  So you just overcome the pressure a little bit more. You know what I'm saying? A little bit more with damage, you overcome the pressure because you used to the pressure.

• 1:20:13Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? People say Kanye was crazy. He take, uh, Lexapro, he take this, he on drugs, he, he got problems with it, he going crazy about his kids. It's like, no, we raising emphasis of how our families are, boy. It is. Kanye believe in marriage, he believe in, you feel me, businesses or pioneer the culture.

• 1:20:31Theo Von?

  When I see you, like, I have black friends now that have, like, children and their households are way different than the households of my friends that were black when I was a kid, you know? It's a different.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  It's not in poverty. It ain't not in poverty.

• 1:20:43Theo Von?

  It's like, oh, wow, it's like more of like, um, yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  But you seen Trump just go through it a little bit, assassination, court system.

• 1:20:52Theo Von?

  Everything.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Public news, shame.

• 1:20:55Theo Von?

  And that bronze, I'm surprised he didn't go full dark on that bronze and one day and just pull up.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  Right, and just go crazy. He can hit a blunt, wipe everyone out. He still, he handled it with class, just like all the black guys, like Kanye.

• 1:21:07Theo Von?

  Show up.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  He showed up, he didn't run from it, he didn't take himself out, he didn't crash out, he didn't give out, he didn't give in.

• 1:21:15Theo Von?

  Well, he went to China, but maybe he just didn't, he liked being there better.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  He got a new wife, man, he's happy. He don't wanna deal with it.

• 1:21:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  He's married, you know what I mean?

• 1:21:23Theo Von?

  Especially at some point, the media, the media, every time you turn around, it's almost like they're trying to make you crazy.

• 1:21:28Speaker 01

  Bring them down. They trying to bring you down. Why you never, we just seen the guy who's worth 2.7 billion, we should be throwing pep rallies.

• 1:21:34Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  We should be throwing frickin' niggerism parties for Kanye West. A guy that broke his jar in a fucking crass, the guy that gave so many people opportunities, making beats, producing to turn rapper, to signing people and giving and giving and giving to just be constant, broke down.

• 1:21:55Theo Von?

  Well, I think it's, I do find it interesting in entertainment that I feel like all the black artists should be represented by black agents and managers. That's one thing I feel like I don't see a lot, but then also, what do I know about anything?

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  If you got a black guy.

• 1:22:08Theo Von?

  Is that crazy to say that, you think?

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  Nah, I feel like you, you should have the guy that's gonna get you the best opportunity, that's gonna rep the brand and make you feel comfortable. Cause think about it.

• 1:22:15Theo Von?

  Doesn't have to be a black guy, huh?

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  Who matter who it is, it could be a purple guy, pink guy, as long as he give your well-being for what he go and get the deal.

• 1:22:22Theo Von?

  Gang, gang.

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  And most of the times, they gonna talk to a white guy.

• 1:22:26Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Who working for the company that gonna give you the money, so it's rather be a guy who look like him, the broker to deal, it'd be probably easier for him to talk to him.

• 1:22:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Right or wrong?

• 1:22:34Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  Cause who's the guy in NFL who own the team?

• 1:22:38Theo Von?

  White guy?

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:22:39Theo Von?

  Every team, huh?

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  Every team.

• 1:22:41Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  Exactly, so who also own the networks that you speaking on, we representing?

• 1:22:47Theo Von?

  Certain different something.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying, select the people, but.

• 1:22:50Theo Von?

  Select people, certain people.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Certain people, but the majority. You know what I'm saying, in life, you did this do was right to benefit you, it's not.

• 1:23:01Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  You gotta get something that, life man just do with the people that's gonna be genuine and got your back, no matter what color it is.

• 1:23:08Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, man, I talked to my friend Stan the other day, my, probably my closest black friend, man, and we have some real important conversations sometimes where you just feel like unconditional support from my friend, no matter what, yeah.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:23:22Theo Von?

  Um, what hap- do you, I know you call, you, you call your, your, your channel, your, uh, is CTE ESPN.

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:23:29Theo Von?

  Is that, who came up with that, was it you?

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was me, cuz I feel like people wrote me off when I walked off the field, like, yo, he crazy.

• 1:23:36Theo Von?

  Yeah, a lot of people thought he was crazy, then a lot of other people took their shirts off and left their jobs, you ever see all those videos?

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  I didn't see, it was a Trudy video?

• 1:23:42Theo Von?

  They have like thirty videos.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  Hey, listen, I'm not a quitter now, just don't give up your fucking day job, I built up a lot of wealth to fucking sit on when I left out.

• 1:23:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, when I left, I was getting into a, uh, into a Lamborghini, so that's a little different.

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  That's a little different leave out.

• 1:23:56Theo Von?

  Did you feel, uh, but did you have an actual, like, mental, did you have CTE, you think? Like, did you ever feel it?

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  I feel like CTE is a trauma when the NFL just. You know, being a football player, you gotta go through trauma, but it's like, you know, you prepare your body to endure the trauma.

• 1:24:14Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:24:14Speaker 01

  I lift weights, you know, physical therapy, mental therapy, I manifest the goals, you know what I'm saying, so you do all the mental clarity things that you gotta do to be welled off, you know what I mean, take therapy, do all the well-being things you need to do to be a functional human.

• 1:24:30Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  Family, a golly, man, spiritual, so I feel like when people don't understand you, or just like, why would make him leave the field for millions of dollars? That's what they try to say with football players, but CTE is a real thing that they determine when people pass away. There's been a lot of players, football players that died over the course of years, that they just, you know, just write them off like they had CTE, but. We all have trauma and CTE is a trauma that we all endure like you said you how you grew up dealing with trauma we like life is a trauma.

• 1:24:59Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  Life is not perfect for nobody. Only person had it, Jesus walked the earth and then have a, he was the only one living life perfect, but his life was evolved with traumas. They killed him in his earth. As an example, so like our lives.

• 1:25:11Theo Von?

  Good point, man. Life is a lot of trauma.

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  Life is our trauma, bro. Sometimes your fucking back hurt, your knee hurt, you sore. But that's what life's about. Our bodies is not gonna last forever. Your mind is not gonna last forever. We all gotta do date to die. So when you think about life in the aspect of the reality. It's like, yo, I'm not crazy. I just walked off to put myself in a better opportunity. You just may not understand it and just thought it was crazy because you putting yourself in my shoes.

• 1:25:36Theo Von?

  Oh, fuck no. I've left work early many times, baby. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  My job was on TV and now they making on the news. It just happened to be one of them days, but as a normal human, we all had these days. This is normal shit.

• 1:25:49Theo Von?

  Yeah, we leaving early today.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  You feel me?

• 1:25:51Theo Von?

  We leaving early today, boy.

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  No bullshit. So it's just like, man.

• 1:25:56Theo Von?

  That's it, dude. But so you never got actually diagnosed though in CTE?

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  Nah, man. People can't even die. I know CTE. That's why I started CTSBN to talk to people.

• 1:26:06Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  About their traumas and how they deal with their traumas and cope with their traumas, overcoming adversity. Because I feel like being a great. Football player, being a great person in any form of life, you had to endure a lot of adversity. Like, tell me some of the things that you went through as a kid, how you was raised. You told me one of your traumas. You said, man. I always felt like a connection with a black person. You know what I'm saying? That was probably a trauma because that's something as a kid you may had to.

• 1:26:30Theo Von?

  I felt unseen. That's what I felt like. I felt like nobody saw me. And so I think that that was something, sometimes I could. When I would see how maybe black people were looked at or treated sometimes, or some of just. How they even treated themselves sometimes, you know? I would like notice just little things sometimes, or as I got, as I became an adult, I could relate to little things. I'm not saying I could relate to any of their history, anything like that. But I'm just saying there were little things I could relate to, like, man. Man, I could, now I can see why I gravitated towards some of these kids because I didn't feel seen. I didn't feel like anybody saw me. I didn't feel, and if they did see me, I felt like they thought I was fucking nothing. And so there were little things like that sometimes that I, I don't make you maybe could think about. I don't know. I'm not trying to make a black culture about me though.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  No, but listen, but that's why I started CTSBN, so people could. Talk through their traumas, cope with their traumas, understand how to deal with it because I had to learn how to deal with my traumas to put myself together and be able to be in the position I'm in. Cause that's a part of life. Life's about how you overcome adversity, how you deal with adversity and how you overcome your situations. I'm sure you've been through a lot in your life and that's why I started CTSBN to show like high level athletes and high level people. What are the things that made them great? What are the things they had to go through? Cause we all went through some. You could have been raised with one parent. Maybe you just never seen your dad. Maybe you were just artistic. You liked the computer. You never played outside. So you just, you know, it could be.

• 1:27:55Theo Von?

  You may have been raised with a sick sibling.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Anything, but everybody got some type of trauma they're facing. Maybe you're not tall enough and you can't pursue that dream you want. It could be any little thing as a human that we're facing and we all facing some trauma. So that's why I started CTSBN. So I could talk to people from their traumas. What's your adversity? How you overcome it? What was the bridge point? Okay. How do you get through that? And people could see when they're watching the video of, okay, I'm talking to Theo Von. Okay. How the fuck Theo Von overcame that situation? Like, how did he get in that position? Because I feel like.

• 1:28:28Theo Von?

  Cause is it a weekly show, CTSBN?

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  I feel like I need to do more weekly. I feel like I just be usually.

• 1:28:34Theo Von?

  I see what you're saying.

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  Randomly talking to people about their traumas when I see, you know what I mean? It's because sometimes it's a lot to talk to people about their traumas. Cause a lot of people hide their traumas.

• 1:28:43Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? A lot of people not like.

• 1:28:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, you become ashamed of them, but comes like this.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  Of course, but it's like we can't be ashamed of the uncomfortable because that's the only way we get better is to address the uncomfortable. I didn't the mental health facility, the therapist.

• 1:28:56Theo Von?

  You've been all that?

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, because that's a part of recovering and getting a load of your better self.

• 1:29:01Theo Von?

  So how long, when you had to go to a mental health facility, how long you had to go for?

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  Just, uh, yeah.

• 1:29:06Theo Von?

  Six weeks?

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  Two weeks.

• 1:29:07Theo Von?

  Oh, that ain't too bad.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08Theo Von?

  Was it nice in there or not?

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's in Colorado. Colorado Springs, right there. Psychological, you get to thinking. Man, life's about looking at your life.

• 1:29:18Theo Von?

  Not the lodge. It's called the lodge?

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  The lodge, exactly.

• 1:29:20Theo Von?

  That's where you went?

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:29:21Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's nice there.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  It's beautiful, bro. It's a whole facility, spa, gym, everything. Just find yourself because it's like in life, if we could just save ourselves from the moment like your friend. Before we just get to that point where it's like, damn, you know what I mean?

• 1:29:36Theo Von?

  Free Brian, bro. Free Purvis, bro.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:29:38Theo Von?

  Bring him back out.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  It's like, most of the time, it's like, yo, in life, you know what I learned, Theo, in life? It's better to be happy than to be right. You know what I mean? Sometimes people get so much trauma in their life.

• 1:29:50Theo Von?

  Asian culture, yeah.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  They get so much trauma. Like your friend has so much trauma for people treating them wrong, treating them wrong. Like he felt that was the right thing to do, probably is just do the wrong thing.

• 1:29:59Theo Von?

  Yeah. Oh, I'm sure, man.

• 1:30:01Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:30:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, like the only, somehow I'm gonna show you to fucking see me, and if it's gonna have to be a crime, it's gonna have to be whatever it needs to be.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  You gonna be seeing me to get that look.

• 1:30:10Theo Von?

  Motherfucker, you gonna see me somehow, right?

• 1:30:12Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:30:13Theo Von?

  I'm just saying.

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  But that's the attitude they take as a human, you know what I mean? You take that on your own, and it's like, yo, bro, ask your friend out, like, was that really happening?

• 1:30:23Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  Is that really happening?

• 1:30:25Theo Von?

  Sometimes, though, the pain somebody I believe is feeling ain't even their pain, it's from another generation, man. So you have somebody out here expressing a pain that's just been stuck in their DNA, because the DNA has to be even at the end of the line. God made it all even, and so I believe that has to find a way to even out, because nature's a pretty even lady.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  And that's what about the lodge and therapy and CTSBA. It's about understanding your trauma, realizing it.

• 1:30:52Theo Von?

  What is CTE? Bring it up. I just want to have a clear idea, because I always say it all the time, and I have no idea what it is.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  It's the new crazy. It's like the new, what you don't understand. But it's really like a head trauma that the NFL diagnosed that players die by that they can't find out till you die.

• 1:31:06Theo Von?

  So they can't find out till you die. Chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's like, yo, you already got that shit if you hit it so much, right? You a football player, we banging every day. So it's like.

• 1:31:19Theo Von?

  It's a brain disease that works, worsens over time and can lead to dementia. It's caused by repeated blows to the head, such as concussions that damage brain tissues. CTE can affect anyone who has experienced repetitive head trauma, including athletes, military veterans, and first responders. So do you have to get a, like, a diagnosis? Oh, you can't, did you get a brain scan done?

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  I mean, I got a lot of brain.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  I feel like, yo, this is just like some of the likes, the just.

• 1:31:47Theo Von?

  You never felt anything crazy. Okay, sorry.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Playing football, you gotta understand, Vaughn, you're signing up the fucking bang out.

• 1:31:55Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:31:56Speaker 01

  Like, before you even, you playing the NFL? You're lifting weights when they hitting you, they hitting you to hurt you like if they hit you, hit a guy like you, Theo Von, if they knock you out in the field, they going viral, they going on TV, they change it, they might get a job pay raise.

• 1:32:10Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  So it's preeminent for alpha males to just lift weights and hit hard, bang out. So you know, before you sign up.

• 1:32:18Theo Von?

  Right, if you saw me at a zoo, you got, you know him, but you don't expect to hear about an animal.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  Of course. So it's like, okay, after you done being the animal and you realize, being the animal just was for a short time, that is not realistic, it's just a part of your life. It's a kid game that you made your life and you feel like, you realize you get thirty something, be like, yo, I don't got that much fucking college in my knees, these should, it's only a thin line of college.

• 1:32:44Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  That you got, that just, you ain't gonna be able to run forever, you know what I'm saying? So you realize the real things of being an athlete.

• 1:32:52Theo Von?

  The future.

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  You're just a number.

• 1:32:53Theo Von?

  Was there an athlete that you saw, was there a receiver or an athlete that you saw one time that really like brought it to your attention? Wow, the physical, the long-term effects of the physicalness of this?

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  Nah, I feel like you always understand as a player, is it gonna be physical? But I feel like it's up to you to play the game smart and put yourself in position.

• 1:33:09Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  You are, you, it's like your craft. I'm a football player, I'm a receiver, I know how to run the routes on you with the timing and the precision and make sure I don't get hit.

• 1:33:17Theo Von?

  Was there a season that you could have showed up for better, like in yourself, like you just had too much going on in your own life?

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  I always showed up.

• 1:33:22Theo Von?

  You did?

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was my life. My life is my football, like yo, if I don't play good, I don't get treated good, like.

• 1:33:28Theo Von?

  Who do you miscatch in passes from the most?

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  Probably, uh, Big Ben.

• 1:33:32Theo Von?

  Really? Yeah, huh, Big Ben.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  Probably both, probably Tom Brady too, cause I mean, I caught some passes, I mean, I, I'm really grateful to be out there with some of the best quarterbacks in the world.

• 1:33:42Theo Von?

  That's a blessing, huh?

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  You know what I mean, that's a super blessing, man. Being a good receiver depend on the quarterback. You know, you only as good as your quarterback and, um, man, I was blessed to play with none but championship quarterbacks, you know, Big Ben and Tom Brady.

• 1:33:56Theo Von?

  It's kinda wild when you see guys that leave a team to go to a team that doesn't have a great quarterback just for the money, but I guess that's part of it, huh?

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  Nah, it's a bad decision, you better ask Tyree Hill.

• 1:34:05Theo Von?

  Yeah, huh?

• 1:34:07Speaker 01

  He tried to be a cheater, man, he should have stayed, he fucking Patrick Mahomes going to the Super Bowl. You in fucking Miami?

• 1:34:13Theo Von?

  Nah, you are in Miami, it's nice.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  It's not nice in Miami.

• 1:34:16Theo Von?

  It's not?

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  You come to Miami after your career when you ready for vacation. Miami is a vacation. You don't wanna be down there with all this party scene and BBLs everywhere. It's distraction, man. You need to play in Kansas City. It's cold and you focus on football. Know you gonna win.

• 1:34:32Theo Von?

  What's BBLs mean?

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  You know where the BBL is?

• 1:34:36Theo Von?

  I know. I hear the term all the time. What is it? Bring it up.

• 1:34:39Speaker 01

  You never had no BBL?

• 1:34:40Theo Von?

  I don't know if I have or not. I wanna see what it is. Brazilian butt lift. Oh, okay. And they go to Brazil to get it?

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  Oh, Theo ain't got no ass. You ain't got no chicks with no ass, huh, Theo?

• 1:34:52Theo Von?

  I don't know. How much is it?

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  You gotta buy a new ass. This probably cost like fifteen bands depending on what size you want.

• 1:34:58Theo Von?

  Zoom in on that one on the right.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  Zoom in on that. You like that ass, huh? That's the ass of the day.

• 1:35:03Theo Von?

  Hey, let's go, boy. That's the crack of the day.

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  That's the crack. She put the crack in her booty crack.

• 1:35:11Theo Von?

  That's Brazilian, huh? Look, that's wild.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  That's a new ass. You gotta get your bitch a new ass when it been here.

• 1:35:17Theo Von?

  God, that's crazy. I'll get her an SUV maybe if we're married or whatever. But what about the, whoa, whoa, what's this thing going on?

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  That's funnel cake.

• 1:35:28Theo Von?

  That's that funnel cake.

• 1:35:29Speaker 01

  That's that. Right there. There, ah.

• 1:35:35Theo Von?

  Literally, bro. God, bro, that's a Birmingham butt lift. She got that bitch, god, fuck it, Central Alabama. That thing, fuck it. Lopsided, bro. Damn.

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  Cheeky, huh?

• 1:35:48Theo Von?

  No, cheeky.

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  You get that skinny BBL. It depend on, it depend on like what, you know, like,

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  what you, you know, what your range or how you wanna open your hips.

• 1:36:00Theo Von?

  I don't know. I don't wanna need, I don't wanna, somewhere it's like, if it's too much, it kinda like, I don't wanna fuck something that's fucking back, you know?

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  You don't want the jello?

• 1:36:09Theo Von?

  I mean, I don't know if I can handle it, man. I mean, I might swerve, hit that corner, you know what I'm saying, bro?

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  Oh, shit. Whoa, what you think about that new Jello song? You think you like that?

• 1:36:20Theo Von?

  You know what, man, at first I was like, the bar, like the main bar is good, but then I was like, I don't know. But then I was listening to it yesterday, a couple extra times, and I did, I felt like.

• 1:36:31Speaker 01

  You got one?

• 1:36:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, I was, it's just like, I think it's, yeah, I liked it, I liked it.

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  It sound like an old 90's song, right?

• 1:36:37Theo Von?

  It does a little bit, and it makes you feel like anybody could like it, almost like, somebody from 15 to 50, yeah.

• 1:36:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, you could take that in. Shout out to Jello athletes being rappers, man, that's pretty cool.

• 1:36:49Theo Von?

  It is cool, man, and I really like, um, his brother played in, uh, for the Pelicans for a while.

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, his brother's ballers, man, it's good to see all brothers.

• 1:36:57Theo Von?

  It is cool to see three brothers get to do something together, that's exciting, you know? And then, uh, and they had Zion Williamson down there, he fucking.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that kid got bungies.

• 1:37:06Theo Von?

  Yeah, that guy, they're so exciting to play. But now that Zion's in, how are they in their last 10 games, Pelicans? Look at their last 10 games, man.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  Zion carried these guys, they're gonna be as good as he wanna be.

• 1:37:15Theo Von?

  He just misses a lot.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  They gotta take care of him a little better.

• 1:37:19Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  He gotta take care of himself, too.

• 1:37:22Theo Von?

  I think so. But then also, you know what, I'm just judging, I don't really know.

• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  Nah, I feel like they gotta take care of him, too, it's like, and it's on him, too, it's like, yo, it's a, it's a collaboration, you know? It's a combination, cause it's like, if the Pelicans gonna be great, they gotta, they gotta go with Zion. Zion go down, they go down.

• 1:37:38Theo Von?

  That's a good point.

• 1:37:39Speaker 01

  So it's like.

• 1:37:40Theo Von?

  How do you figure it, how do you make it all work?

• 1:37:42Speaker 01

  Like, y'all gotta.

• 1:37:42Theo Von?

  How do you make it all work?

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  You gotta bring your, your king to the puzzle, man, you can't have your guy.

• 1:37:46Theo Von?

  You're right, I think I'm just a little angry at him as a fan.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  Nah, nah, he's a professional. I feel like I expect more out of him, too, cause he got so much ability, it's like, it's so much more in there.

• 1:37:55Theo Von?

  Yes, and we, and time goes fast, time ticks, man, you think it's not gonna tick.

• 1:37:59Speaker 01

  I feel like we just gotta get him, they gotta build him up.

• 1:38:02Theo Von?

  What about when Le'Veon left, was that weird when he left Pittsburgh?

• 1:38:04Speaker 01

  Man, I took the heart out of the soul of the team. Le'Veon Bell, one of my close friends, is like, man.

• 1:38:09Theo Von?

  Well, why was his energy, he was like the team, people loved him, huh?

• 1:38:12Speaker 01

  Man, especially when Steelers is known for the running backs.

• 1:38:15Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  Jerome Bettis, they love him. Le'Veon Bell is one of those guys, like.

• 1:38:19Theo Von?

  Willie Wheels, Parker.

• 1:38:20Speaker 01

  Willie Parker breaking long runs, 70 yards, he's a smoking guy.

• 1:38:24Theo Von?

  Bro, he didn't get enough acclaim, man.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  He was a great player, man, Will Daymore, another, we had always good running backs out of Steelers.

• 1:38:30Theo Von?

  More out of Tulane, wasn't he, no, where's more of that?

• 1:38:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, Tulane, right from New Orleans. Oh, you know your history.

• 1:38:34Theo Von?

  Let's go.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  We had a lot of running backs, Isaac Redman, we had a lot of good. Good guys.

• 1:38:40Theo Von?

  The bus.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  Still is the bus.

• 1:38:41Theo Von?

  Franco Harris.

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  Franco Harris. Yeah, legendary guy.

• 1:38:44Theo Von?

  Lot of history over there. Jerry Olschansky, he was an offensive lineman, but I saw.

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  It was just so sad because it's like, yo, Le'Veon, one of the guys we drafted. One of the guys you just, you know, he was a heart, still a guy and he was so special. And it was like, damn, it was like. Money stopped us from our goals. It's like, damn, y'all can't come there. You know, that's what I mean by both sides of people of a culture, even the team. I feel like once the old lineman in the team went to like. Joking them online because they was feeling freaking trauma. It's like, yo, we need him, but it's like how he feel like. He don't need us. So now they like, yo, it's like, fuck you, fuck you. It's like, man, we as people, we gotta make the uncomfortable comfortable or not. And looking back, it's like, yo, that could have maybe won the still is championship.

• 1:39:27Theo Von?

  Couple championships.

• 1:39:28Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Just if we had the courage to fucking go get Le'Veon, bro.

• 1:39:33Theo Von?

  But, but, but what about, uh, do you think agents sometimes ruin the possibility for there to be a?

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  I feel like. A lot of different people in your corner, you know, telling you, you know, I mean, building you up and what they think you deserve and what's best for you and.

• 1:39:46Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  Not seeing the bigger picture and it feel like, you know, that's a part of life.

• 1:39:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  You know, sometimes in life, if you don't act on the opportunity, you could miss it thinking. It was positive for you and maybe it wasn't. And it's like, you know, life goes on no matter who you is. So it was like, yeah, I don't take my life for granted, man. I just. In that moment with Le'Veon, I just wish we could have.

• 1:40:07Theo Von?

  Cause it would have been awesome if it did happen.

• 1:40:09Speaker 01

  It's like, yo, it was like, what could have? It's like, what could have? And it's like, we don't want to never be living in that. Realm of what we could have done when we had every opportunity to do it.

• 1:40:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? It's like. That was some special moments, man. We, we was.

• 1:40:25Theo Von?

  Who you got in the Super Bowl, Mike? Who you got in the Super Bowl?

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  Gotta go Kansas City. It was like, how you go against Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey for a three P?

• 1:40:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think also.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  I want to see it now because now we seeing another level of greatness.

• 1:40:37Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  And another level of like. Specialness. Shout out to Andy Reid for fucking just knowing how to do it.

• 1:40:43Theo Von?

  It's true, huh?

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:40:45Theo Von?

  Dude, I saw, bro, you had the tweet the other day was so good. He looked like Darlene from fucking Roseanne, bro. That shit was.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  That shit was hysterical?

• 1:40:55Theo Von?

  It's just funny, it's hysterical, yeah.

• 1:40:56Speaker 01

  Bro, we got the best X app, bro. I only like my X app.

• 1:41:01Theo Von?

  Cause you can say what you want. X act and Xbox.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:04Theo Von?

  And X girlfriend.

• 1:41:06Speaker 01

  Sometimes.

• 1:41:08Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:41:08Theo Von?

  Yeah, sometimes, but this is so true. Remember when my homies played Darlene on Roseanne?

• 1:41:11Speaker 01

  Nah, he definitely, that's his twin right there. That's not his face, you know?

• 1:41:15Theo Von?

  I know, you're too cold, man.

• 1:41:17Speaker 01

  That boy Jake was an assassin.

• 1:41:20Theo Von?

  Do you just, does somebody, do you also have somebody else writing stuff for you, or is just you?

• 1:41:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a combination, me and my guy Jacob. Jacob is a-

• 1:41:27Theo Von?

  Oh, that I met here?

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jacob. It's me and him, come out.

• 1:41:29Theo Von?

  Wow, he's fucking, that's savvy, bro.

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  He's fucking a savage. He's a savage.

• 1:41:34Theo Von?

  That's savvy, dude. Um, are there some players that you're still tight with, and is there a player?

• 1:41:38Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:41:39Theo Von?

  Yeah?

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, I got a lot of great players. Le'Veon Bell, one of my closest friends still, he came with me on the Trump campaign. Uh, Mike Wallace, one of my close friends under the radar, played with me for a still a long time.

• 1:41:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:51Speaker 01

  Placisco Burres, one of my long time OGs, played with me in 2013. You know what I mean? Helped me like, yo, man, move your split. Little tip busy, show me was just working the outside receiver, how to play with the split, so people not understanding the routes and knowing what I was doing, so I could just run different routes from different angles, so they wouldn't see it, just little-

• 1:42:11Theo Von?

  Little things.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Little things that helped me be great, you know what I mean? Uh, Deion Sanders was always a pioneer in my corner. You know, when I walked, even when I came back to play with Tom Brady, just the whole process and that. You know, Tom Brady was always a prime factor, even though I joked him and shit, you know, being in the Turner, he always was one of my friends, closest friend.

• 1:42:30Theo Von?

  Is he a pretty stand-up guy?

• 1:42:31Speaker 01

  Always stand-up, you know what I mean? You always remember those people in the darkest time who was there for you, you know what I'm saying? Who rode for you, you know what I mean? I knew when I went to the Raiders, went to the Patriots with him, had a star stint, I think he got to know like, damn, he'd be really a smart, working hard guy, where, you know what I mean, a lot of energy and a good, you know, where a man is God, cause you could, you know, come in the football team, you gonna learn a lot by God. One, is he in shape? Could he understand, could he know what to do? You know what I mean? I feel like I built that camaraderie, was just showing him for that week of work, just like, damn.

• 1:43:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:03Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? He brought me back after a year off, he won the Super Bowl.

• 1:43:07Theo Von?

  That's heavy.

• 1:43:08Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 1:43:09Theo Von?

  That's big.

• 1:43:09Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? And it was, it was just amazing to know that we could do sti- we could go plan something that we set out to do.

• 1:43:16Theo Von?

  And do it.

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  And do it.

• 1:43:19Theo Von?

  Do you um, do you think Belichick is as good without Brady or it's just in the end, it's all just a matter of pieces?

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  Yo, no one is in the NFL is good without a quarterback.

• 1:43:27Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:43:27Speaker 01

  And Tom Brady's don't come around. You know what I'm saying? You never find a guy who just got overlooked.

• 1:43:34Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  And then he just fucking turns Superman and just fucking wipe your ass out for 20 plus years. You know what I'm saying? Because not a lot of people get that trauma. You know what I'm saying? Like Tom Brady had trauma like.

• 1:43:45Theo Von?

  Right. Something inside of him or inside of his father or grandparent in his DNA?

• 1:43:49Speaker 01

  Some in his heart that was like, some in his balls.

• 1:43:52Theo Von?

  Wanted to cook.

• 1:43:53Speaker 01

  That wanted to, that was fucking ready to go and not fucking off the like, some shit you never see again.

• 1:44:00Theo Von?

  Well, even him as an analyst, I'm loving him as an analyst because he gives you different.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  Take it serious.

• 1:44:05Theo Von?

  He gives you different insights that you never would have heard. He said the other day in one of the games, he said that, oh, I usually uh, looked at how far I had to get and I averaged it usually about a second per yard, he said, when he was like, uh, when the clock was really low or something, whatever. I'm fucking bad.

• 1:44:18Speaker 01

  That fucking live and dream football like.

• 1:44:20Theo Von?

  Yeah, you could tell. It's like Drew Brees is the same way.

• 1:44:23Speaker 01

  That fucking Tom Brady's a one on one, trust me. I stayed at his fucking house. That kid is 42 years old, fucking breathalyzer on the fucking treadmill the day after the game and the fucking treadmill incline, he got on a fucking a knee sock, his fucking fuck ass, we won the Super Bowl, they fucking got him, got a fucking MCL the whole game. He can't even wear, yo, he wearing jeans to practice. He practiced in their fucking denim jeans.

• 1:44:50Theo Von?

  Damn.

• 1:44:50Speaker 01

  With a knee brace. And he like, yo, one more route. Fucking, he's always a one more guy. He's never worn this one more. Yo, this is right here for the Super Bowl.

• 1:45:01Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  Nah, he's always just the most prepared, bro. I, I never seen a guy live and sleep fucking winning football games like fucking, he lose a game, that fucking guy like he lost a relative, like someone died.

• 1:45:13Theo Von?

  Like he lost one of his.

• 1:45:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, like even if you seeing him, it's like, you don't want to see Tom after that loss.

• 1:45:17Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:18Speaker 01

  It's like, yo, he's fucking dropping even more like, fucking hitting the guys even more. It's like some shit you want to be, it's like some Navy SEAL shit. It's like.

• 1:45:27Theo Von?

  That much energy.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  That much affection is like, yo, let's go out and fucking do it.

• 1:45:31Theo Von?

  Towards it. Describe um, I want, I wanted you to get some of these worst teams. I'm gonna give you a name of a team. You just give me a word or two to describe them. Ravens.

• 1:45:41Speaker 01

  Aggressive.

• 1:45:43Theo Von?

  Browns.

• 1:45:45Speaker 01

  Toilet bowl.

• 1:45:49Speaker 01

  You know how to take the Cleveland? How many times you take the Cleveland Browns to the Super Bowl? How many times? You understand that bar?

• 1:45:57Theo Von?

  Y'all better dig Jim Brown up.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  I'm talking about taking a shit.

• 1:46:00Theo Von?

  Oh damn.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  The Cleveland Browns to the Super Bowl, that's the toilet. Cause that's the only Super Bowl they going to. The toilet. You go to the Browns? Yeah, you know you going.

• 1:46:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, so people know when they going there, it's done, huh?

• 1:46:13Speaker 01

  Same shit, different toilet.

• 1:46:16Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? It's just the foul as shit.

• 1:46:22Theo Von?

  What about the Bengals? When you see the Bengals?

• 1:46:24Speaker 01

  The Bengals?

• 1:46:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:28Speaker 01

  The Bengals, I think are Pacman Jones, like. Raw player, great player. But some way they gonna fuck it up. Just a fuck up. Just a knucklehead. You feel me? Like some way that Cincinnati always fuck it up. It's like Joe Burrow just look like Ellen, like.

• 1:46:49Speaker 01

  But I like Chase Daniels.

• 1:46:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, you like Chase Daniels?

• 1:46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:52Theo Von?

  He's backup quarterback, right?

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  He's the running back.

• 1:46:54Theo Von?

  Oh, he is? Chase Daniels?

• 1:46:55Speaker 01

  Davis, what's his, what's his name? Chase? He's the number one receiver. I can't, I don't know how I know his name, but his name Chase.

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  He's a fucking elite. I think he was the triple crown of the league.

• 1:47:05Speaker 02

  You're talking about Jamar Chase.

• 1:47:06Speaker 01

  Jamar Chase. Yeah. He was the fucking.

• 1:47:10Theo Von?

  They are, yeah. Jamar being Chase, that's for sure.

• 1:47:16Theo Von?

  I love Burrow, he had a great season.

• 1:47:18Speaker 01

  Nah, he did. He played like a champion though. He did good. I just feel like.

• 1:47:22Theo Von?

  But still, the game is you gotta get.

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  Nah, Joe Burrow played his ass off, but.

• 1:47:26Theo Von?

  What about the Jets now?

• 1:47:28Speaker 01

  The Jets is the Jets.

• 1:47:32Speaker 01

  It's like he's just the side chick in New York, you know? You know? The Jet, no, I feel like all New York teams right now is just.

• 1:47:38Theo Von?

  It's hectic.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's Milwaukee right now.

• 1:47:40Theo Von?

  It's hectic over there. What's a little bit of news that's going on, man? You got any news stories?

• 1:47:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, Trump said he's gonna release the MLK file.

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I told you, he gonna release the file.

• 1:47:52Theo Von?

  But see, I believe that that's, here's what I believe in that. I believe the CIA or the FBI or whatever has gone through, probably marked stuff in there to make MLK look bad, right?

• 1:48:02Speaker 01

  Of course they changed the narrative.

• 1:48:03Theo Von?

  They wanna bring him down, cuz here's what happens is, they start to, first they give you leaders, then they start to release information that brings those leaders down. And when they do that, they kill a culture. They killing a culture, right?

• 1:48:15Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:48:16Theo Von?

  So now all the people that had him as like a, as a role model, and um, and he may have had a-

• 1:48:21Speaker 01

  High level guy.

• 1:48:22Theo Von?

  And a high level guy. He may have had a unique life that was filled with different things, but it didn't make him maybe a bad guy, so.

• 1:48:27Speaker 01

  It just might, it just might, it just take away, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:48:29Theo Von?

  Right, they wanna take away your culture.

• 1:48:31Speaker 01

  That's what America had been based on for black culture.

• 1:48:34Theo Von?

  And, and white culture too, man. It happens now for white culture too.

• 1:48:37Speaker 01

  I think it happen for all humans, that's why we gotta preeminate it. Just mostly for the blacks, the black superheroes.

• 1:48:43Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, I mean, it's definitely happened more to blacks, but now you're seeing where they're going and taking down like, they're really, the media can go and take black leaders down, right?

• 1:48:52Speaker 01

  I mean, that's all it is, is a media takedown. That's all it's been.

• 1:48:57Theo Von?

  What else we got?

• 1:48:59Speaker 05

  The only person in the world after, uh, with a functioning pig organ is thriving after a record two months.

• 1:49:05Theo Von?

  Ooh, damn, let's pull that up, man. Have you had any? They got a pig organ they put in somebody. This, this, the only person in the world with a functioning-

• 1:49:12Speaker 01

  Black person? Damn.

• 1:49:13Theo Von?

  Ooh, damn, is it?

• 1:49:17Theo Von?

  An Alabama woman passed a major milestone Saturday to become the longest living recipient of a pig organ transplant. Healthy and full of energy with her new kidney, uh, sixty-one days and counting, man. That's, that's kinda messed up, man. I feel like hiding a piece of, hiding pork inside of a black person seems fucked up, right?

• 1:49:37Speaker 01

  That's bad, bro. In fucking Alabama, come on.

• 1:49:41Theo Von?

  Come on, man. That's insider trading, bro. You can't, that's fucking-

• 1:49:45Speaker 01

  They just turned it to a pig.

• 1:49:47Theo Von?

  I mean, it's just like.

• 1:49:48Speaker 01

  That shit's bad, walkie business, bro.

• 1:49:50Theo Von?

  Oh, but a lot of people love bake. You can't put a piece of fucking bacon inside of somebody's body.

• 1:49:55Speaker 01

  Why the fuck would she get that? That's all they had?

• 1:49:58Theo Von?

  That's a good point, man. See, that's the kind of shit that black people been going through like, hey, we ain't got a regular heart.

• 1:50:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, like some side shit like.

• 1:50:06Theo Von?

  We'll put this fucking side heart in you.

• 1:50:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, they can't do them like that. They gotta stop doing us like that.

• 1:50:11Theo Von?

  God damn, bro.

• 1:50:13Speaker 01

  At least we could get a regular one. They ain't got no regular ones out there?

• 1:50:15Theo Von?

  Yeah, at least, def- yeah, you can't.

• 1:50:18Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 1:50:19Theo Von?

  Yeah, even if a.

• 1:50:20Speaker 01

  How fucking, what's the source of you living like, in a pig organ?

• 1:50:23Theo Von?

  Even give her one with the beats off a little bit, that's fine, you know, put that remix in her, but don't give her a pig heart. Scientists are genetically altering pigs so their organs are more human-like to address a severe shortage of transplantable human organs. Well, it's interesting.

• 1:50:41Theo Von?

  What else, man? What else have we covered? I'm trying to think of things that I wanted to cover today, man.

• 1:50:45Speaker 05

  Tiger King star Joe Exotic claims eight prison guards beat him up after one tried to force him to give oral sex in an interview with Matt.

• 1:50:52Theo Von?

  Hmm, that's Tiger King. Y'all mess with him, this guy? Remember him?

• 1:50:55Speaker 01

  Shit, they trying to take Tiger King out.

• 1:50:58Theo Von?

  They trying to get him in jail, but he in there slurping for show, bro. He been in there. Um, but yeah, that's one thing I think is if they. Hmm, I don't know what else I think, man. My brain's tired. Yours get tired sometimes?

• 1:51:14Speaker 01

  Nah, I just keep it going for my.

• 1:51:16Theo Von?

  How much pot do you smoke today, you think?

• 1:51:19Speaker 01

  It's my first two joints.

• 1:51:20Theo Von?

  Damn.

• 1:51:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't.

• 1:51:22Theo Von?

  Black people are so much better at getting high, I think, man.

• 1:51:24Speaker 01

  Cause you got a lot of trauma, it just help you relax.

• 1:51:27Theo Von?

  Fuck, I, dude, I got high, I couldn't fucking walk four or five feet without making sure everybody's okay.

• 1:51:34Theo Von?

  But obviously, black guys will play a whole basketball game on a, on a, being high.

• 1:51:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, you got highs and testosterone, ready to go.

• 1:51:41Theo Von?

  I don't know, it was always a beyond blew my mind.

• 1:51:44Speaker 01

  You just gotta slam your, if you, if you wanna be black, just slam your dick in the door, it's gonna swell up. And then you black, you know, then your energy gonna go up, you feel me?

• 1:51:53Theo Von?

  I don't know, bro. Bro, I, I can't take any more medical, I can't take any more suggestions from you today, bro. You gonna have me with a sore dick yelling the N word out on the interstate.

• 1:52:04Speaker 01

  You gonna be going viral. It's a black party, bro.

• 1:52:08Theo Von?

  Oh, man. I appreciate you coming, AB, man.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me, man. It was an honor, man, to just, you know, sit down, talk about some huge stuff, even if it was uncomfortable, just make the normacy of just breaking bread, you know?

• 1:52:20Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah, I'm intrigued. What do you kinda see, like, what things you wanna do in the coming future? Because it's like, I feel like at first people thought you was kinda crazy. And then now people are like thinking, well, well, you know what? That's all judgment. What do you wanna do? What are some things you like, like, do you feel like you wanna achieve, you know?

• 1:52:39Speaker 01

  I just wanna, you know, serve my purpose of living, you know, giving out light, encouraging people and, you know, bridging the gap, you know, some of the stuff we've been doing on X, bringing a comedy between like bridging the gap of people. And just opening people's minds of, you know, experiencing, being to making people aware of what the traumas they face. You know, just being a normal person, not even to being a celebrity or any type of color, just people as humans.

• 1:53:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:05Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Going through traumas and overcoming and just bridging the gap or just raising awareness with leaders and.

• 1:53:12Theo Von?

  What's one of your biggest regrets you've had over the years, if you have one?

• 1:53:16Speaker 01

  Shit, uh, my biggest regret probably was just like not throwing the wedding for myself.

• 1:53:25Speaker 01

  You know, I feel like so many people fucked me over and threw so much bad parties. I might as well just go to the altar with myself and celebrate myself.

• 1:53:33Theo Von?

  That much, huh?

• 1:53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Cause I feel like life's about living. And I feel like you gotta love yourself and being a black person, you experienced so much trauma with some of my people, writing you down, changing the narrative, character bringing you down. So it's like, you gotta keep enough sanity and not enough. You know what I mean, enthusiasm to just be encouraging and have the confidence. Cause not everybody could overcome what people writing them off, killing their character, bringing them down, making them feel a certain way. It take a strong individual to be able to, you know, overcome that. So I feel like just continue to raise in awareness, talking to people like yourself, high level people that, you know, bridging the gap, which is raising conversation that inspire

• 1:54:18Speaker 01

  the youth and the world, you know, just spreading the light. You know, I think I accomplished a lot of things in my life in a short time. And I feel like now it's just being that inspiration as a human, the hardest thing you could do is inspire. So just inspire people, raising conversations, inspiring people, bringing smiles, bringing people together.

• 1:54:36Theo Von?

  You do that, I mean, definitely, yeah, you're, I think you really seem like an interesting guy. I'm glad that I got to, uh, get to chat with you. And I do think too, they should auction off that N word once in a while, man.

• 1:54:46Speaker 01

  Maybe we have that little auction, man.

• 1:54:48Theo Von?

  Cause think about it.

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  Maybe we had a nigga awards and then just maybe change the name where, I know you hate the word, but it's like, it's a part of history. The word only get, yo, we need to create a new dictionary.

• 1:54:58Theo Von?

  We'll sit in the back this time if y'all do have it, how about that?

• 1:55:00Speaker 01

  No, you gotta be in the frontline.

• 1:55:01Theo Von?

  That's gonna cause a lot of controversy, dude.

• 1:55:04Speaker 01

  We gonna build it up, we gonna throw out the teasers, get the commercials, we gonna make sure.

• 1:55:08Theo Von?

  Free Brian Purvis, let him give one out?

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, we gonna talk to Brian Purvis on the CTSBN and talk about some of his traumas, what did he learn and what he had in his life now.

• 1:55:17Theo Von?

  Culture to feel comfortable too. Cause I think that's an interesting thing.

• 1:55:20Speaker 01

  I feel that what embracing it, it probably, how he grew up made him feel like he was one of the gods. Cause imagine when people fit not your own people, when your own people treat you like shit, you feel like black people. Cause all our people know is they be like treated like shit. So it's like, yo, we gonna treat you like shit. So it's like until you break the culture of shit and making people understand it's okay to be of the not normal, but still have that love to still build them in the right way. So you don't turn the right wrong way or do the wrong thing, you know, we gotta save people.

• 1:55:49Theo Von?

  And if they had like a thing, say if like, you know, tonight, bro, right? Nine thirty PM, Macaulay Culkin is doing an N word, bro.

• 1:55:57Speaker 01

  That's comedy, it's entertainment.

• 1:55:58Theo Von?

  From Home Alone, you telling me, how many people would pay to stream that?

• 1:56:02Speaker 01

  Man, they gonna love that.

• 1:56:03Theo Von?

  And then you give the money to?

• 1:56:05Speaker 01

  We donate to the organizations, the black communities, exactly. We make it beneficial, man. We know, everything we do with positive intent to bring people together.

• 1:56:15Theo Von?

  We're gonna get a lot of hate for even thinking about that, I think. But I could, I could-

• 1:56:18Speaker 01

  I feel like we can't worry about the hate. I feel like in life-

• 1:56:20Theo Von?

  Okay, you're right.

• 1:56:20Speaker 01

  Cause sometimes that hate come, and after the hate come rewards. The gueye.

• 1:56:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:25Speaker 01

  After the hate, 2.7 billion.

• 1:56:27Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:56:28Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? After the hate come the love. I feel like if you're not getting hate, then you're not raising the conversation. You gotta be uncomfortable.

• 1:56:34Theo Von?

  Right, you got, you're right, you have to be uncomfortable.

• 1:56:36Speaker 01

  To get comfortable.

• 1:56:37Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:56:38Speaker 01

  Just how you feel uncomfortable about it is that, eh, we gotta find the resource to make you comfortable. And we found the resource. Okay, let's do it like this. We gonna give back to the black communities. So now we not just saying this in the rhetorical way to be funny. We got a real resource behind this, and we bringing people together.

• 1:56:55Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:56:55Speaker 01

  Cause this is a natural thing. It's not like when people haven't said this, or little kids. I told you Tom Brady's son, Ben, too, was like, yo, you think about the word. I had to, Tom, they had to explain them to the word. I was like, yo, man, I think it's not in the 50s where people used it as, it's not slaves no more, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's the normacy of black families being rich and living upon the same culture of generational wealth.

• 1:57:17Theo Von?

  Yeah. And building that up and seeing what the future that's like in the universe, you know?

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:57:21Theo Von?

  I mean, I'm just a wit, I'm just a bystander in, in, in all of that. Um, but yeah, I think that would be, that would be really interesting to see. Uh, if, if that was a way to raise some money, but that also might be really crazy and-

• 1:57:35Speaker 01

  I think we talking the, at the exit right now, we was thinking maybe like the Cracker Olympics, but there was like, we maybe could, maybe call it the ABC Olympics.

• 1:57:43Theo Von?

  Hmm. ABC, in the seats for cracker?

• 1:57:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:46Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:47Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? That way it's not like a, that's why everybody could feel comfortable. Cause now, we not trying to-

• 1:57:52Theo Von?

  No, no.

• 1:57:52Speaker 01

  Trying to promote comfortability.

• 1:57:53Theo Von?

  And you, dude, a lot of good crackers ain't getting it, they, they, it's, you wanna be- Everybody likes a little bit of shine, you know?

• 1:58:01Speaker 01

  Everybody deserves shine. We all humans. We deserve shine. No matter who you are in the face of, we deserve shine.

• 1:58:06Theo Von?

  Yeah, all plants, bro.

• 1:58:07Speaker 01

  Everybody's working hard towards something and...

• 1:58:10Theo Von?

  All plants, bro. We look at the sun, man. Which we got, yeah, we got another, anything else you want to talk about?

• 1:58:16Speaker 01

  The Elon, the Elon Trump fart, the Elon Trump fart coin, ETF 500, Elon Trump fart coin. I wish I could pump out a fart right now before I'm on half a belly. But yeah, this the coin, it's a Bitcoin. What's your thoughts on crypto? I know you got a lot of money and shit on crypto.

• 1:58:33Theo Von?

  I do just mutual, but I'm a saver. I get scared about my money. Oh wait, I did get, um, like one, probably one sixtieth of a Bitcoin or something. How much? One fortieth of a Bitcoin.

• 1:58:47Speaker 01

  How much is that?

• 1:58:48Theo Von?

  I think maybe thirty-five hundred.

• 1:58:51Speaker 01

  Oh, you got a little scaly.

• 1:58:52Theo Von?

  I got a little put away, nothing crazy.

• 1:58:54Speaker 01

  You got a little G's up.

• 1:58:55Theo Von?

  Might be four thousand.

• 1:58:56Speaker 01

  So check out the Elon Musk fart coin, man.

• 1:58:58Theo Von?

  So it's Elon Musk fart coin, Elon Trump fart coin, which one is it?

• 1:59:01Speaker 01

  Elon Trump fart coin.

• 1:59:03Theo Von?

  So check out the Elon Trump fart coin. And what is that? It's a coin that's out on, uh...

• 1:59:07Speaker 01

  It's one of the best coins that out on crypto.

• 1:59:09Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 1:59:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's going up. It's heating up right now.

• 1:59:12Theo Von?

  Let's see that.

• 1:59:12Speaker 01

  Elon Trump fart 500.

• 1:59:14Theo Von?

  Pull that up, Elon Trump fart 500.

• 1:59:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:19Speaker 01

  That shit looking down like a fuck.

• 1:59:22Theo Von?

  Nah, shit, but doing a long day. That's just 24 hours. Give me that in a month.

• 1:59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, long day should be in greenski.

• 1:59:26Theo Von?

  There you go.

• 1:59:27Speaker 01

  I go to greens.

• 1:59:28Theo Von?

  So...

• 1:59:29Speaker 01

  Elon Trump coin 500.

• 1:59:31Theo Von?

  Elon Trump fart.

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I was gonna fart with it. I thought you was gonna bust my ass right there.

• 1:59:35Theo Von?

  Nah, that's alright, man. I don't think we need to, let's don't bridge the gap that much, bro. ETF, uh, ETF 500, okay?

• 1:59:43Speaker 01

  Elon Trump fart 500 coin. Crypto is going up.

• 1:59:46Theo Von?

  Gang, gang. You trade a lot?

• 1:59:48Speaker 01

  I trade a lot, man. I try to get into it. It's a lot of money in the digital aspect.

• 1:59:52Theo Von?

  Yeah, oh no, I agree. It's a huge part of the culture now, too. It's, uh, we've all, it's all different things that happen in financial culture. I'm curious to see, uh, what the whole future of crypto and that whole world looks like, meme coins and everything. It's interesting. Um, AB, thank you, man. I really appreciate your time, you know?

• 2:00:08Speaker 01

  My honor, man. Thanks for having the conversation, chatting with me.

• 2:00:11Theo Von?

  And for just the, all the tweeting and stuff, it's, it's a lot of entertainment. So thank you for that. It takes a lot of time to do that. People don't think about that. It's a lot of time. So thank you for the commitment and, uh, best of luck to you, man.

• 2:00:22Speaker 01

  Thank you, brother.

• 2:00:25Speaker 06

  Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take