#688 - Candace Owens

Candace Owens is a commentator and host known for her popular investigative show “Candace”. Candace joins Theo to talk about gearing up for kid #5, fending off lawsuits from world leaders, and why she’s not letting up on the investigation into Charlie Kirk’s murder. Candace Owens: https://www.instagram.com/realcandaceowens ------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner @CelsiusOfficial https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Moonpay: Moonpay: https://moonpay.onelink.me/O2ia/t34p5kxg Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Sign up and get 10% off BetterHelp at http://BetterHelp.com/Theo Acorns: Head to http://acorns.com/investinall and give your money the best chance at growth! Perplexity AI: Ask anything at https://pplx.ai/theo ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Mail stuff to: ATTN: TPW PO BOX 40137 Nashville TN 37204 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend X: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/ Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

• 0:00Speaker 00

  She's an investigator, a media personality, and a seeker of truth. Her namesake show on YouTube is immensely popular. Um, she's here, she's pregnant with her fifth child. Uh, she's my friend. I'm grateful for our time with today's guest, Ms. Candace Owens.

• 0:35Speaker 00

  You look good.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  I look okay?

• 0:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't want to hit-

• 0:40Speaker 01

  But you can't say no, you can't say the other thing.

• 0:42Speaker 00

  Well, I can't-

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you couldn't be like, "No, you don't look good." And people will be like, "Wow, that was aggressive."

• 0:47Speaker 00

  Well, you can't also be like, "Yeah, you look goo-" Like, it's like, when someone is pregnant, it's a weird time to associate with them sometimes because it feels like, "Well, yeah, how do they look, you know?"

• 1:00Speaker 00

  What's going on? And what do you say that's supportive? But what do you also like? Because you also have to shut down any, like, sort of, like, you know, you can be flirtatious. Not that I'd be flirtatious because I know, I don't mean like that, but like, any energy that's like-

• 1:14Speaker 01

  Would you normally have that energy towards someone that was pregnant?

• 1:17Speaker 00

  No, I don't think so. I think, I don't know what I'm talking about. Let's have her check your makeup. Does she look okay for you?

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Just so you know, the first thing you said to me when you walked in the door for dinner, I don't know how, a couple of months ago, but you were like, "I forgot you were pregnant, you weirdo." Yeah, that's your pregnancy greeting.

• 1:34Speaker 00

  There we go.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  It works.

• 1:36Speaker 00

  It actually does kind of work.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good one.

• 1:38Speaker 00

  Well, I remember, actually, this is true. I walked into your, um, kitchen, this was like, maybe like a mon- a couple of weeks ago, and there was some lady from behind who was like, making something on the counter or something. And I was like, "Oh dang, they got a little thickie in here. They got a little lady from Atlanta working over here." And then I didn't, I forgot you were pregnant, and he turned around.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  It was me?

• 2:00Speaker 00

  And it was you.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  I didn't even hear you say that. I'm a little-

• 2:04Speaker 00

  No, I didn't say it out loud. No, I don't mean like-

• 2:05Speaker 01

  You said it in your head.

• 2:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. I said, "Oh dang, they got a little-"

• 2:07Speaker 01

  And now you said it out loud.

• 2:09Speaker 00

  Dang.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Dang.

• 2:09Speaker 00

  But I meant like, "They got a little shawty working in here." Or they had a woman that was just a little more Rubenesque.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good word.

• 2:16Speaker 00

  You know?

• 2:16Speaker 01

  Rubenesque.

• 2:17Speaker 00

  That's what I meant. They had a woman that's a little more Rubenesque, and I was like, "Oh dang, they got a little mommy working in here."

• 2:23Speaker 01

  A little mommy.

• 2:24Speaker 00

  And then there we are.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:26Speaker 00

  And I was right.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  I know, I'm here because I feel like this is going to be good luck, and then I'll have, uh, I'll have the baby. Because last time I did your podcast, I feel like the baby came right after.

• 2:35Speaker 00

  Really?

• 2:35Speaker 01

  I did you, and I did Tim Dillon, and then the baby came. So now I think it's like a ritual. I'm going to do you, then I'm going to do Tim Dillon, and then the baby will come.

• 2:44Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, look, yeah, I hope we're good luck somehow. I think if the baby hears us talking, it's like, "I gotta get out there and help this lady." You know, things are, things have gone downhill.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Oh my God, I can't believe I'm about to have the fifth.

• 2:56Speaker 00

  I know, dude.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  It's crazy. I've been in a permanent state of pregnancy. And I don't think people respect that enough. Like, I'm basically a queen aunt.

• 3:04Speaker 00

  You do not act like someone who's pregnant, I'll say that. That's what, I think that's part of it, to me, anyway. You may act like that around other folks, but I think, I never get this kind of like, I, you know, like, you're like crawling across the floor, like, barely getting to-

• 3:19Speaker 01

  I know, but that's the problem. I'm going to start doing that because I feel like people will have to be nicer to me if I start pretending I'm in a state, you know?

• 3:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  People are, people are so mean on the internet.

• 3:29Speaker 00

  Oh, dang.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Of course, they're so mean on the internet.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, what am I talking about?

• 3:33Speaker 01

  I feel like if I find-

• 3:35Speaker 00

  That's why I'm not good at asking people questions. People always like, "Dude, you asked for-"

• 3:39Speaker 01

  It's a lovely place, the internet. And I feel like, I'm like, "How are you doing this to me? I'm so pregnant right now." But I feel like if I lean into the pregnancy and I pretend to be more miserable and like, I can't do it, then people will have to be nice. So, I'm going to try that for these next three weeks.

• 3:55Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  A little bit more pathetic.

• 3:56Speaker 00

  Ooh, yeah. Because you don't do pathetic well.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  I know.

• 4:00Speaker 00

  You don't do it. You're just still going and cruising. You forget that you're pregnant, where some people kind of lead with the pregnancy, you know? Um, but yes, people are ru- yeah, people are like, "Oh, that's not even a baby. That's a data center." Some people have said-

• 4:14Speaker 01

  What?

• 4:15Speaker 00

  That she's got, yeah, like-

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Wait, I haven't seen this part of the internet, now you have to tell me.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  No, I saw somebody, it's like, "Dude, she's not even pregnant, she's just building a data cen-" They're building a data center in her womb, or whatever, just like crazy people.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  What?

• 4:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  I actually feel like I go down every rabbit hole, but I have not gone down the rabbit hole where there are data centers in your womb.

• 4:36Speaker 00

  It's new stuff, Candace, they're doing new stuff. Look, that's when we start to be out of touch. That's when you're like, "Oh, I can't even."

• 4:42Speaker 01

  I can't follow this.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  I'm out of touch.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  There are some conspiracies, I have to say, and I love conspiracies, like, every rabbit hole.

• 4:48Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  You know, I'm down there, but there are some where I'm just like, "How did you get here?" And that would probably be one where I'm like, "What do you mean? I'm carrying a data center in my womb."

• 4:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's just a router for the government or people, or like, she's, yeah, she's just, she's like, transporting data for Russia. Like, people will say all kinds of stuff, like, she's like-

• 5:06Speaker 01

  What website are you on?

• 5:07Speaker 00

  She's a data mule or whatever, these aren't even kids. It's just like, you know?

• 5:11Speaker 01

  It's so crazy. I don't think I've ever seen that one. I've seen people who say that I'm not pregnant, pregnant, and they, they're not my kids and stuff like that.

• 5:19Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 5:19Speaker 01

  I think that happens, I never post them. Everyone's doing the thing where they post their kids, and their kids are turned into a product, and then they're taking these impossible family pictures. They're impossible. When you have a certain amount of kids, you can't get like, the nice, perfect family shot. And I think because I don't give them enough of a personal life, it kind of makes them a bit fantastical. So they sort of write the myth, the mythology-

• 5:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  -of the kids. They don't really know what they look like, they don't, you know, they don't know anything about my kids, so.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  Do you do that on purpose?

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. I mean, everybody, I'm not judging people's style or whatever, but I personally just feel like that's a big decision to make for your kid. And it's actually, Skylar was showing me, was it you showing me the clip yesterday? Of like, somebody, it was obviously a comedic sketch, but it was just like a kid walking around the mall with his parents, and random strangers are like, "Happy fourth birthday!" And like, saying their name and know all of these random facts, like, "Hope you did good at the soccer game." And the four-year-old's like, looking up at them, like, "How do you know this information?" And that's kind of my mentality, where it's just, it's strangers knowing a lot about your children and being able to recognize them and know them.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  I feel like that's a lot for us, that we just, it's not, I think, something that we want to do.

• 6:35Speaker 00

  It's probably not healthy. Yeah, but that, I never see, I haven't seen that bit. Can you, do you have it? Trevin, do you see that?

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's actually really interesting. And I was like, I couldn't articulate how I felt about it, but when I saw the clip, I was, I was like, "This is exactly how I feel about kids on the internet." Oh yeah, that's it, that was fast.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Hi, Ava. Do you know that man?

• 7:00Speaker 00

  Where would she know him from?

• 7:02Speaker 02

  Happy birthday, Ava. Aids already. Look like you did ball with your friends.

• 7:11Speaker 03

  Ah, I see you're back playing football Thursdays, Ava. Hope your dad picks you up on time, for once.

• 7:19Speaker 00

  That's great.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  Every time you share their life online, you risk sharing their personal data with the world.

• 7:26Speaker 00

  That is pretty true, huh?

• 7:27Speaker 01

  That's kind of how I feel about it.

• 7:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  It's just kind of a lot of information, and kids don't understand it. My kids don't even understand what I do.

• 7:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  And just now, Georgie's starting to like, ask questions. When people come up to me and ask for a picture, and he's like, "How do you know that person?" And I just say, "Oh, it was a friend from school," or, you know, whatever, and don't really address it because I don't need to right now at his age. But, yeah, I kind of want to protect that for a little bit. And we don't know how it's going to end, especially when you see people whose kids are a part of the product, you know what I'm saying? And they get to the age and they're part of the product. I'm sure in their minds, they're like, "Well, we're making a living off of this, so it's good for our kids, we're making money." But I also do think about, how is it shaping their minds? As, do they become more attention-seeking? Are they already thinking, "Do I have likes? How many people like this? Am I reading the comments?"

• 8:19Speaker 01

  So I don't, I don't think we know the effects of how kids that are being raised on the internet. We, I was saying, we pioneered it. Like, we did not have the internet, so we were lucky.

• 8:29Speaker 00

  That's scary.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Our parents had a beeper, and then we were-

• 8:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, when it went off, it mean your dad was using, usually.

• 8:37Speaker 00

  And that was it.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Actually, my dad was just working at the hospital, but you know. Yeah, different strokes for different folks. And he had to get into the, get in for his shift.

• 8:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, different, yeah, different things, but for sure. Yeah, I can't even fathom like, and how things are gonna affect us. It's like, man, it's really scary to think of how some of these things are gonna affect us. And we don't know.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I feel like the kids that have the most access to it, just looking at the Hollywood demonstration. I mean, those kids are not, they're not looking their best. They don't look tip top. A lot of their kids are just going through a lot right now. And you feel bad, I mean, you feel really bad for them because they grew up with a lot of attention. So I don't think it's good to replicate it and get kids on the internet, but I mean.

• 9:21Speaker 00

  It does almost starts to seem like a disease in a way. Like I think for some of those people, like even if you look at Britney Spears, she's out here. Like she's out there spinning with those knives and shit in front of her fireplace all the time. What is going, and everybody's just like, oh, love your first album. Like, what are you talking about? This lady's not doing good.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  No, Britney Spears, I feel so bad for because obviously I grew up with Britney Spears. You had to pick a side.

• 9:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, look at this, and we act, but this gets normal. Sorry to interrupt you, Candace, but this starts to get normal. Oh, yeah, she just.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Who normalized that?

• 9:53Speaker 00

  She's just gonna Julie in something in a few minutes. And so she's just getting ready. She's obviously got a new job as a sous chef or whatever. And the dogs are begging for help. There's one video where somebody decodes the dogs as shapes they're making. They're trying to make letters spelling out help in the background.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  No, I feel so bad for her because she is an example of what, like she probably never needed to go into the conservatorship. And then she never really came out of it because they were forced drugging her. They were, you can't come back from lithium.

• 10:21Speaker 00

  Is that true?

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, they burned, they, they burned her brain. Like it's like melted her brain with lithium. It's crazy what they did to her. And honestly, people should be in prison. They should absolutely be in prison. And I feel like it's a part of the broader story that a lot of artists were trying to tell. Like from Michael Jackson to Kanye to Britney Spears, like some, Justin Bieber even was talking, you know, what's actually manifesting in Hollywood? And some of these people did not survive it. I mean, Michael Jackson didn't survive it. I don't think Britney Spears is ever going to be the Britney Spears that we grew up with, which is super sad because I, she, I think she was a sweet girl and she, they just used her. I mean, the industries, we're now learning how disgusting Hollywood is. But I think Justin Bieber made it out and I think Kanye made it out gratefully.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  But yeah, I think she went through a lot of dark stuff. And even that, though, I wouldn't even let my kids be in a commercial. Now that I'm an adult, like obviously when I was young, I'm like, this is so cool. Like these are all these teeny bopper stars and then sync and Backstreet Boys or whatever it was. But now that we're adults, I just can't imagine giving my children to like the Mickey Mouse Club and letting them, it's weird. In retrospect, it's weird. So you wonder who were the adults that were in charge? Because I was the same age as these people. It was normal. You guys were adults.

• 11:39Speaker 00

  Let's, let's look up this lithium thing really quick. Let me see, she testified that she was immediately placed on lithium.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  Lithium.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  In her June 2021 address to a Los Angeles court, Britney Spears stated she was immediately placed on lithium, a potent medication typically used for bipolar disorder or severe depression. She described the side effects as making her feel drunk and numb, stating that it impaired her ability to converse or stand up for herself.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  She was on it for years. So you should, if you look into some of the scientific studies on what lithium does to your brain over that amount of time. That's why I say it's not something that you can just bounce back from. I would pray that she could, but that's definitely what's going on. She was drugged against her will. That's so scary, the concept of being drugged against your will. And then for a judge to say this can just keep happening permanently for, how many years was she in the conservatorship? And everyone's like, it's for the best. And when you actually reflect on what she was going through, she probably just needed to take a break. I don't know, go to a secluded island where there's no paparazzi, take some rest, you know? She was basically begging people to leave her alone and nobody would.

• 12:46Speaker 00

  Under her legal conservatorship for 13 years and nine months. God.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  13 years of your life where you have to.

• 12:54Speaker 00

  But who was in charge of that? Was it a hodgepodge of people, apparently?

• 12:58Speaker 01

  I think it was that woman who needs to be looked into for sure, who was working with Britney Spears's father. Taylor is the name I'm thinking of. Cause there's a lot about that woman. She's another Calvary Chapel, Lou Taylor.

• 13:16Speaker 00

  Lou Taylor.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Lou Taylor. Yeah, I haven't gotten too deep into the Lou Taylor conspiracies, but there's definitely something there. And it's interesting because you know who I spoke to? This is one of the craziest stories that came together. But basically Russell Brand introduced me via text to Courtney Love a few years ago. And she sent me all of this stuff. She was just, it was like a ton of messages, ton of messages. And at the time I didn't know what she was speaking about that, like I, because I didn't grow up in Hollywood. And she was basically explaining to me that there was sort of a mafia that when they want your publishing rights, they'll go after you. They'd never want people to like have their own publishing rights. So that's what Michael Jackson was fighting. Sony, he wanted it, and he was winning, by the way. He was, he owned the Beatles catalog.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  So then what they do is they send out like mafia press hits against you. It's kind of like what I'm going through right now, but it's just kind of failing because we live in a different time. But they essentially will then try to present you as a drug addict or, and then they'll follow you and have hot, like paparazzi everywhere you go. And so maybe you're just doing this. And they're like, Theo's like in a crisis.

• 14:21Speaker 00

  He has pink eye or whatever.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's on a bender, like.

• 14:25Speaker 00

  He's been going down on strangers or whatever.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Right, exactly, exactly. And so imagine every single day, every, you can't walk out of this room and there's just people that are waiting there. And then these people basically have a mental breakdown.

• 14:37Speaker 00

  You start to go crazy, is what happened to Kanye.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, they keep calling you crazy, calling you crazy, calling you crazy.

• 14:42Speaker 00

  That whole thing is a design thing?

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Well, when she said it and she was talking about, she was like, you gotta look into the Mormon mafia. She's like Lou Taylor, and she said a bunch of stuff, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. I'm recapping a conversation, so the conversation itself is not allegedly. And she was like, but this is a publishing rights mafia. And they, you know, she.

• 14:58Speaker 00

  I could see it's ownership.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  She was talking to me about Kurt Cobain and like, it's all about ownership. She's like, you are not allowed to own anything. So with anyone who start to examine these cases independently of Michael Jackson, Kanye West, I haven't looked too much into Britney Spears, but I should because you know me, I gotta go down every rabbit hole. Justin Bieber.

• 15:16Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, you're the chocolate rabbit.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  Chocolate rabbit, I gotta go down every, every rabbit hole.

• 15:20Speaker 00

  I mean, you've kind of, yeah.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  I will eventually.

• 15:22Speaker 00

  Easter run for its money.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  For real.

• 15:25Speaker 00

  You're probably America's most popular chocolate rabbit.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  I'm genuinely down every single rabbit hole. I can't stop. Like when people give me a tip and I'm like, I kept chasing, chasing. But yeah, Britney Spears and then Justin Bieber, even recently, where they were really hounding and trying to make us think he was having a mental break. What was he trying to do? Just get out of his contracts? He just wanted to go back to being the kid on YouTube with his, and that's what he's doing now. And it's so cool that he's just, all I need is my guitar and my voice. I don't, he sold his whole catalog, he just wanted out.

• 15:54Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  So it's cool.

• 15:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, that is, that is an interesting rabbit hole because it is, I think people don't realize sometimes, and I believe that it is this mafia in Hollywood. It's like the publicist, it's all this like, this kind of teeter totter where they're just like, one is like, you do this and then we'll do, and then it's all this system, right? It's all this, it's like a huge piece of racketeering going on.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  It is, and it's also book publishing rights and podcasts now. It's obviously a new space or whatever, but they're constantly like worried about who's gonna actually own this catalog when you're gone, because once they own it, they also can delete it, they can edit it. There's so many things that they can do with your music.

• 16:32Speaker 00

  Well, music being used to influence things too. Like that's another thing. It's just like, okay, well then we have these influential tools to be able to kind of put them into the masses in certain ways at certain times. I was, yeah, because Brittany, I mean, it's just like, I mean, they turned her into a damn Donatello out there, the frickin' ninja turtle. I mean, she's out here every other week, she has a different weapon, she's spinning around.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's sad. It's so sad when you, if you go back and watch her.

• 16:58Speaker 00

  She's like a damn slap chop over there.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  No, it's crazy, yeah.

• 17:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, they turned her into a damn smeg blender or whatever.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  You know what? And the whole thing was like, you know, we had to do this to protect her. We had to put her in a conservatorship because she was spending her money. It's her money. Genuinely, if you make $10 million and you wanna irresponsibly spend it all, that, that's actually kind of your right. You don't need to put somebody in a conservatorship to, you have a right to go broke. Is anybody put in a conservatorship when they lose all their money in Vegas?

• 17:24Speaker 00

  Or if you get, yeah, that's a good point.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  It's your money, you earned it. You have a right to lose it. What are you talking about? Judge decides you're not responsible enough. Same thing with Wendy Williams. I don't know what's going on with that, but she's been, somebody took her, it's her bank. It was kind of scary. I was like, we need to go back to a cash society because could you imagine your bank calling and being like, your money is mine? Cause that's what happened to Wendy Williams.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  Well, that's what happened to Kanye too, wasn't it? Didn't his bank freeze?

• 17:48Speaker 01

  He got de-banked.

• 17:49Speaker 00

  He got de-banked. How do you even get that?

• 17:50Speaker 01

  They just send you a letter and they're like, sorry, we don't like your views. That made, that made me go local. I did. Like, I saw what happened. It was wild. Like, how are you sending letters just like, hey, Theo, I saw episode, uh, 279 and we're de-banking you. I'm like, the banks have got too much power.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, man. You lost your ATM privileges for this week. That's how it'll be.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  For this past weekend.

• 18:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. For this past weekend, you're cooked.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  I started seeing that. I was like, okay. So we pulled out of the, the big banks and, and sort of my local, going local for everything is better. I 10 of 10 would recommend everyone goes local for their food, for their banking, knowing who these people are as a human beings, I think really matters. And we, who was it that got de-banked and it kind of sent a chill up our spine? And we were like, let's just leave them before they leave us because I'm not considered to be uncontroversial. So if we're heading in that direction, that's just China, though. Credit score system. I feel like that's where we're treading. If you de-bank someone based on an opinion or a belief, that's effectively a credit score system.

• 18:56Speaker 00

  So like, like almost a social credit score?

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Social credit score, yeah.

• 18:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's like that Black Mirror episode. That was, um, do you remember that one? That was so good.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Black Mirror freaked me out.

• 19:05Speaker 00

  Really?

• 19:06Speaker 01

  I think it's why I'm so paranoid about a lot of this stuff, even what we're talking about with kids on technology, because I watched every episode of Black Mirror.

• 19:14Speaker 00

  And black people, you got pissed about it too, remember? They're like, oh, a mirror's fine, but it's a black mirror and shit's all fucked up.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  I didn't even remember that talking point.

• 19:22Speaker 00

  There was a lot of people online like that. Oh, everything's fine with a regular mirror, but people pull up with a black mirror and now shit's going bad.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they just meant the screens are black.

• 19:32Speaker 00

  I know, I know.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  That's hilarious. I'm sure that, because I feel like that kind of came out when there was a lot of that going on. People were looking to be offended. But that was, that episode was scary.

• 19:41Speaker 00

  Oh, the best. And she had to like, be nice to somebody and then this, and then her, her score was down, and then that's how she felt about herself. That's the scariest part is when the score goes down. Yeah. Uh, Black Mirror becomes reality with China's social scoring. What's the episode called? Can you get me that? Nose Dive, it's called.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:58Speaker 00

  Black Mirror Wikipedia. That was so good.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  Are we far from that, though?

• 20:02Speaker 00

  I think we're, we're, I think we are literally in it and we just don't know.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  We are obviously in it.

• 20:07Speaker 00

  That's what I think the most.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Like 1,000%. And that's they, that's when you see these like mobs descend and that's what cancel culture is all about. That's actually trying to develop a social credit score. Like, you can't perform in this arena because you said this. You can't do this. You can't do that. You can't partake in society because we disagree with you. And then it gets even scarier because at least she had minor offenses in the episode, if I remember correctly. Like, it could be anything who you were hanging out with. But now it's even scarier because you can get canceled for doing the right thing. Like, they can dip your credit score for doing, social credit score for doing the right thing, like.

• 20:43Speaker 00

  Like speaking up about something? Like, if somebody speaks up, then they can say...

• 20:46Speaker 01

  About Gaza.

• 20:46Speaker 00

  Right.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  And then suddenly you can't play the stadium, like we just saw last week.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  So think about that, where it's basically saying you have to be a bad person to partake in society. And I think that's what we've been going through kind of for like the last three years.

• 21:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  I mean, at least I have. I don't know if that's a personal story, but.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  And we can get into some of it. I mean, and it, well, it's tricky. And so you have to think like, well, one is like, yeah, I think I've even mentioned this to you before. It's like, like, you have to start to find new ways to put your money certain places. That's the only thing to affect change. It's like, where do you, where do you put your money, right? Because it's like, we have to find like almost new systems of, um, of everything, right? You have to find like a whole new way, like a whole new place to put your money. Because as long as they, um, like kind of these larger bodies, these bigger entities, BlackRock, these bigger things own everything, you just, and we keep having to pay them for everything. You know, it's almost like you have to create this new capitalism or go back to like a smaller structure or something, you know? I don't know.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Like when you're just trading with your neighbors.

• 21:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. I should have, I should have brought you over some lettuce today or some tomatoes.

• 21:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  And we could just trade it.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. I could trade you. Yeah. I think I have some fresh, uh, I think I have some fresh basil or something like, you know, something that a woman gave me when she left me or whatever. But I do have, um, yeah, I think I have some basil. I could trade you for that data center you've got in your...

• 22:09Speaker 01

  Can I just prod? A woman left you some basil?

• 22:12Speaker 00

  Just like a little, a wishing it worked out, a little plant pot with a little basil in it. A little thing like that.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  Like a breakup basil?

• 22:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, breakup basil.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  That's fantastic.

• 22:24Speaker 00

  Dude, that's a great idea.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  That's, that's fantastic. I love this girl. Actually, I think I met this girl.

• 22:31Speaker 00

  Breakup Basil.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Did I meet her?

• 22:33Speaker 00

  Oh, no, you didn't. That was just a friend.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, that came to the, uh...

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, okay.

• 22:38Speaker 00

  Where'd we go to the?

• 22:39Speaker 01

  The farmer's market.

• 22:40Speaker 00

  Farmer's market.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  And she was looking for, uh...

• 22:42Speaker 00

  She was looking for something. She wasn't looking for me. I know that. I walked over there about two hours and they didn't get a sense of that. No, but that was just my friend. That was someone I was trying to see if it could be like a coworker.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. I like breakup basil. That's sweet.

• 22:56Speaker 00

  That breakup basil, bah.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  It's an oregano from me. Oregano from me, dog.

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• 25:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, the antithesis to some of this, all of this stuff, I think is like having a family, right? Having something that means something to you. I think that's like the, because we've always operated under like, the world has always operated under dark systems, right? It always has, right?

• 26:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. And so that's, yeah. I mean, I love seeing your kids. Your kids are fricking hilarious.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  They love you.

• 26:06Speaker 00

  They are.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  They love you. You walk through the door, they just light up. They just...

• 26:10Speaker 00

  Dude, I fricking light up.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. You have to have kids because you're just meant to be a dad.

• 26:15Speaker 00

  They are. Oh, well, thank you.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  It's just like...

• 26:17Speaker 00

  They're so funny.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  They're very funny.

• 26:19Speaker 00

  They're very entertaining. They're smart.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  And they're very confident, our kids. So they'll just kind of go right up to you and speak to you.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  Oh, that's a good point.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  And I think that is partially because we abstain from the technology and you just need to go actually communicate and speak and...

• 26:33Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Obviously, I'm not one that's at, ever at a loss for words. So I'm over communicative with them about everything. But they are very funny. They're just...

• 26:40Speaker 00

  They're very funny, dude.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  They just adore you.

• 26:43Speaker 00

  Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I'll, I'll tell other people. They're like, oh, yeah, Candace. I'm like, dude, she has the best kids. And they're like, dude, why are you talking about this lady's kids, bro? Chill. I'm like, they're my friends, okay?

• 26:55Speaker 01

  In your defense, they are your friends. They absolutely love you so much.

• 26:59Speaker 00

  It is fun over there.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  I mean, that's why I was like, you have to be a dad because you, you're just, you just...

• 27:03Speaker 00

  They're fun.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  The vibes are just there. You're just meant to be a dad. You gotta have a lot of kids. You'd be great with boys too, because I have so many boys and the, the energy of boys is just on another level.

• 27:12Speaker 00

  I gotta get a batch going.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:14Speaker 00

  Something's gonna happen. I can feel it. It's in the, I can feel it in the air.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  I get people that hit me up the whole time on Instagram, like trying to slide into your DMs.

• 27:22Speaker 00

  Really?

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  Well, shoot, the slides, though.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  No, there's a lot of people that are trying to date you all over the internet. Like, they, girls love you.

• 27:30Speaker 00

  What the heck? Where are they?

• 27:32Speaker 01

  There's a lot of them. I get like text messages. I get Instagram stuff. They are just all about you right now. You're, you're in your prime. You gotta go out there.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  I gotta get out there, then.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta find your, so you gotta get out there.

• 27:43Speaker 00

  Shit, I was gonna take a nap later. I'm not now. I'm getting on my bike. I'm gonna frickin' bike around town a little bit. I just got a new eight speed.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  It was supposed to be a ten speed, but it's from China that they, so it's like, fuck. You lose two speeds in the mail or whatever. It's just like, that's where, you know, these Trump tariffs or whatever. It's like, you don't even get all ten speed.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  We can't get anything in this economy right now.

• 28:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, your kids are funny though, dude. Yeah, and I'm all, I'm like, what did one of my buddies say? I was like, oh yeah, she's got the best kids. And they're like, oh, do they ever play like, pin the tail on whoever killed Charlie Kirk?

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're naturally exploring things, investigative, yeah.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're just walking around with like, um, little magnifying glass, you know? Let me see your fingerprints.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  It's what, it is interesting to see which qualities the kids get. You just never know what you're gonna get. I don't know. It's just, that's the interesting thing about kids. It's the same two humans can just create a different kid. You just would expect it's just gonna be, you're dropping the same kid over and over, but they're just all so different. The person, that's what's fascinating.

• 28:49Speaker 00

  When do you start to notice like what the difference is?

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Right away, in the womb.

• 28:53Speaker 00

  Really?

• 28:54Speaker 01

  This one coming, crazy.

• 28:55Speaker 00

  Uh-uh.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Uh, he's out of control.

• 28:57Speaker 00

  Oh my god.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  He's out of control, yeah.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  What is it? And were you noticing something? Is it, cause like you're, like, have you been having like a special sauce or some? Like, are you doing certain condiments or something that could be flaring them up?

• 29:06Speaker 01

  No, he just, they are who they are in the womb. And I've been right about all their personalities. Louise, we could not get a picture of. She was sleeping throughout the whole thing. She, you know, she kind of runs the place. She's tricky. She knows what's going on. And then her brothers are all different. Maxie was the chillist in, and in the womb and

• 29:26Speaker 00

  He's pretty gentle, kind of in a weird way.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's like sweet.

• 29:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  You know, he's so sweet and he's like, he's my sweet kid. He was sweet in the womb and

• 29:33Speaker 00

  He'll be excited if you're gonna like throw him on the couch, but he also wants to do it very softly. And like, kind of like, and make sure it's gonna be in a comfortable manner.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. That's exactly Maxie.

• 29:41Speaker 00

  It's pretty cool.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  Unless Georgie, and they all wanna be like Georgie. Georgie's just the natural leader of the kids. And he loves rules. I mean, every single one of my appointments, when the ultrasound, they'd be like, look up. He'd be like, they're like, man, this person really loves, this little guy really loves a rule.

• 29:59Speaker 00

  Oh wait, he could hear him in ultrasound, you think?

• 30:01Speaker 01

  No, but it felt like it because he was just, cause they're trying to get certain shots during an ultrasound. So they wanna check like their spine, heart, whatever it is. And sometimes you just can't get a picture. Like Louise, forget it. She just was not here for it. She never let them do anything. She's in her own world, but Georgie was just like on the money. He hit every single mark in terms of, here's the range. He is perfect, perfect, perfect for height, length, width, whatever. And that's how he is. Georgie is just the, it's all about the rules. You tell him a rule, it will be followed. So you gotta be careful if you tell him a rule because then if you catch yourself outside of the bounds of the rules.

• 30:34Speaker 00

  The rules come back.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  The rules come back. I mean, rules aren't even rules. He'll tell me his dad's gone for two days and he'll just be like, you know, daddy doesn't like when that lamp's on. I'm a grown woman. I turn this lamp on when your dad's not here? Dad, dad doesn't like this. So he's his, I always say, he's, he's George's mini. It's really sweet.

• 30:53Speaker 00

  Oh, it's cute.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  That's what's fun. So you gotta, you gotta get yourself a litter. I can find you a girl. What's your type? I feel like I know your type.

• 31:00Speaker 00

  I can get a frick, I think I can get a wa, it's just been like a little bit tricky.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Because now you have exposure.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  I don't know. I don't try to date like fancy girls really, like, you know, like, what's my type? Let me think. I don't know. I mean, a woman for sure, and good woman.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Glad we clarified that.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  Kind eyes. Has to be able to be a good mom. That's gonna be, that's pretty paramount.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:25Speaker 00

  Um.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Okay, when you say kind eyes, give me an example of someone who has not kind eyes.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  Hmm, well, we both know what example I'm gonna use.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  She wasn't setting that up.

• 31:36Speaker 00

  I mean, we both know.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  She who must not be named.

• 31:43Speaker 00

  She who must not be named.

• 31:51Speaker 00

  She's a Halloween costume of a woman.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  It's so funny cause I wasn't going in that direction and then as soon as it came out.

• 32:00Speaker 00

  She must not be named. That's so crazy.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Maybe I should. The fact that the whole world knows what we're talking about and who cannot be named.

• 32:10Speaker 00

  Well, everybody's, fuck, everything's insane, dude. The world has gone insane. And it's a perfect time for Halloween, too.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  It is, it is.

• 32:19Speaker 00

  Cause if we're already living it, people are like, what do you mean it's Halloween? It's fucking Halloween every day.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Every day. Every single day you're going, what is going on? I just want some director to yell cut.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  I know.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Like, I hope we are living in a matrix and the director can just like yell cut.

• 32:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, and then they just give you, and it all shuts down, you know? Like your wife's like, alright, I gotta, I'm out, you know? She's like, gotta be home in ten minutes. You're like, where's your home? Like, it all shuts down like Truman, like it just ends.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'd be kind of nice. I'd be okay with it if they were just kidding. The whole last year, we're just running this experiment, you know? We're just evil billionaires and we're running an experiment. Everything's chill. Because the other alternative is terrifying, cause this is all real and you know what it is? We're just kind of getting to a point now where we know they're lying, you know what I'm saying? And they're still doing it. So we just go, where's this gonna go? We know you're full of it. We know you're lying. It's, you can't gaslight to this extreme. And the whole world is aware of it and

• 33:21Speaker 00

  And not have something happen.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:23Speaker 00

  But what is it gonna be?

• 33:24Speaker 01

  We're at some inflection point.

• 33:25Speaker 00

  Right. Well, Netanyahu's up there yesterday, like, he's talking about Hassan Piker, you know? He's talking about like people on the internet, like you're on the, like, it just, yeah, it's all become

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Dude, you just, you just committed genocide in broad daylight. And now you're at the White House like lecturing us about what's right and what's wrong and what laws need to be passed. This is wild. This is a wild update right now.

• 33:46Speaker 00

  It's a wild update.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  It's a wild update. And they're like, Macklemore, get out of, get out of the stadium. BB, come to the White House.

• 33:54Speaker 00

  Come to the White House. This is like Mordor seventeen twelve, the update or something like, it's a cra, like this update.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  It's a crazy update.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  It is.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Maybe that's what it is. It's just like an iOS update right now.

• 34:04Speaker 00

  I think you're right.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  And there's some bugs that need to be fixed.

• 34:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, Netanyahu's running around with his own Starlink. This is the Starlink. Uh, the bed, the children dead, I have, he can't even smile. That's the scariest thing about that guy.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  The way he lies and he, I don't, he can't be human. I don't think he's a human.

• 34:24Speaker 00

  I don't think he is either. If he is a human, I think that's the saddest thing about him. Is that human people are like, how could something like this happen? One of us be like this?

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:35Speaker 00

  But then, so he must not be, he must be some aberration.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Or maybe, cause I never looked into it, but I, I could believe automatically the reptile thing. Cause I'm just like, that must be a reptile. Like, that's just, cause it's a snake of some description.

• 34:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  That, I don't know, is wearing a costume because there's no way you can be this person. But what's scarier than him, cause we can just accept he's evil and insane and deranged and has never been told no in his life. But then it's the people that we kind of thought were human, who then just rally around him. People that we worked with, our colleagues, maybe podcasts we listened to. And we just maybe in the back of our mind, we're like, okay, obviously if push comes to shove, this person, spy disagreements. If, if the whole, if the whole genocide happens or a Holocaust happens, this person's obviously gonna be on the good side. And then you're going, oh no, wait, what's happening? Now I have to realize that there's all these other people who are trying to convince me this is okay. And then you go, how long have these people been walking amongst us?

• 35:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  These are like the white walkers in Game of Thrones.

• 35:31Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Like there was something, we didn't even know.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  They're being transformed. They're just like, now they're all like marching and it's a terrible season finale. Cause even Game of Thrones didn't know what to do.

• 35:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  They hit the inflection point.

• 35:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, they really did.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Just pissed out.

• 35:46Speaker 00

  Like, oh shit, we kind of started this, don't even know how to end it.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  It's a terrible ending.

• 35:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, dude. But I, it is at this point where it's like, now the white walkers are walking and they've just been walking for so long. Like, when do we stop walking? Like, what do we even do?

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Seven seasons of us walking.

• 35:59Speaker 00

  I know.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  And we know it's bad and it's dreadful, but they didn't really know how to end it, so.

• 36:02Speaker 00

  I think that's what, yeah, that's what's going on here. It's just like, I think they don't know how this plays out. Yeah, I don't know how it plays out. Unless they put everybody under like, in like severe control very fast. I think that's probably what they would be thinking, I would bet. You know, if you start to let everybody know what's going on.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Like with the data centers, you mean?

• 36:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, the, either the cameras or whatever. But you have to be able to just control everybody really quick, you know, then. Because once people, you know.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Covid was the test for that, I think.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. And we failed it.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  I didn't.

• 36:32Speaker 00

  I didn't either, but we did as a group.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, as a, yeah, as humanity, as a group.

• 36:36Speaker 00

  I did not fail. I, I didn't.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Was it a group project, though? Was it a group project or was it an individual project? We should talk about that.

• 36:43Speaker 00

  That's a good question.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  That's important to reflect upon. Was Covid a group project? Yes, and we did fail the assignment. You're right.

• 36:49Speaker 00

  As a group, we did.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. But I was the person in the group that got, it was like guys.

• 36:54Speaker 00

  Right.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Carrying the group.

• 36:56Speaker 00

  Right.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Instantly.

• 36:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  They said I was crazy, that I was gonna get grandma killed.

• 37:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. Grandma's gonna die.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Like.

• 37:04Speaker 00

  You're like, and meanwhile, they have to like, we have to visit their grandmother, like, they have to visit her in a field from like two hundred yards away. They're like using a megaphone and shit. They're like, we love you. And she's like, my legs are itching or whatever. They can't even fucking hear each other.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  It's terrible.

• 37:20Speaker 00

  She's getting bit up by chiggers and stuff in a field because she's like, that's where they have to have her or whatever.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  And they let grandma die alone. I mean, the whole thing was crazy.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  Zoom funerals? People were on Zoom funerals? Dude, my buddy clicked over.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Funerals.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  Shout out to anybody who was on a Zoom funeral, dude.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Hold on, can we just have a moment of silence for, for the people that went to a Zoom funeral? Cause that is just

• 37:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  No. I can't believe, I forgot about this. I attended a Zoom wedding.

• 37:49Speaker 00

  Did you?

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Yes, it was my sister's wedding. I forgot. It's such a, a trauma has just been unlocked. I'm about to start crying. I forgot about this. Yes, my sister, she had, she had to have a Zoom wedding. It's crazy.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz they just said she couldn't, you know? That was it. And so they wanted to get married. They already had plans to get married. So they just had some recording. We just all hopped on Zoom. That's not right.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  No, it's horrible, dude. Well, dude, I went to a Zoom funeral. It was a black funeral too, dude. And it was like, everybody started beefing cuz everyone to play their own music at their own house for the funeral or whatever like. So some people were playing like, you know, like Boys to Men like, can we go back? And some people were playing like, what you talking with? You know, like, so it was just people had to. And so like, people started like music beefing at this, um, it was like an urban Zoom funeral.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 38:47Speaker 00

  And then the guys up there and he didn't even have, he forgot to turn the speaker on and shit. You're like, what is even? It's like grandma's going home and we can't even fucking.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  This is terrible. I forgot. I forgot. We all lived through this. We all have unlocked trauma from COVID. We got a, Dr. Fauci needs to go to prison. I mean, this is crazy. Now that we're all here and realizing.

• 39:05Speaker 00

  And he's not. He's coming out with a new pasta sauce, somebody said.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  Is he coming out with a pasta sauce?

• 39:09Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Can you look that up? Is, is, is it Fauci with the sauce for real? Can somebody tell me, is it Fauci with the sauce?

• 39:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, is, I think he has a new pasta sauce.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Is it called I plead the fifth?

• 39:20Speaker 00

  It's called co vodka.

• 39:24Speaker 00

  It's a new Italian. It's a co vodka sauce.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  No, it's, it's not. It's not true.

• 39:29Speaker 00

  If you liked COVID, you'll love co vodka this, this. And it has a booster in it. It has also a booster in it.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  That's, that, they were discussing that. They're like, people are vaccine hesitant. So we're just gonna start putting in the vegetables and it'll naturally just like, we're just gonna give it to you in lettuce.

• 39:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  I also don't like, and I haven't looked into it, but you know, I'm a vibe person. That whole, the entire announcement that Trump made about, we're gonna get beef from Argentina. I was like, nope.

• 39:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Nope. Stamp the beef with Argentina. I'm not buying it.

• 40:00Speaker 00

  That, cuz that's something like, why do you need immediate beef from someplace that, where the, the like, rulings of how they can process it and stuff are probably different, probably safer, even though.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  No, buy from American farmers. It's the one thing that people can do. Is it a little more expensive? Yes, it is. And I get that that's hard, but you know, you and I always talk offline about like, what are the little changes that we can encourage people to make? And that's a huge one, like getting to know who your farmers are and doing whatever you can to support them. And trying to avoid, but definitively, I can tell you, whatever is going on with that Argentina beef, something's not right.

• 40:34Speaker 00

  Oh, that Tina beef.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  They're gonna give us more parasites or something. Something is not right with that beef.

• 40:39Speaker 00

  There, I think they could have been launching some, something new into the community. Cuz that Tina beef be hitting, cuz.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  I, I mean, I'm, the Tina beef is gonna have parasites. That's my assumption.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  That Tina beef got people.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  It's gonna have parasites. I, because I think we're waking up too fast and they gotta just get parasites in our stomach as fast as possible or something.

• 40:59Speaker 00

  It's gonna be a long Halloween, dude.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  It was random. Such a random announcement. So here's what I'm doing.

• 41:03Speaker 00

  We got 3,000, 100,000 tons of Argentina beef.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  It's gonna be cheaper.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's gonna be cheaper.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  I'm happy to spend a little more money on my beef, actually. I want American beef.

• 41:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'll just fast.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  You know what I'm saying? I'll do something. But yeah, when you think, when you kind of step outside and look at it, you're like, yes, something's wrong here. This isn't, like, what's wrong here?

• 41:26Speaker 01

  I just woke up on a random Tuesday and just decided, Argentina beef. I was, nah, I'm okay. And it's so, such a reverse in everything that he was doing during the first term.

• 41:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. What do you think happened there? What do you think really happened? Do you think that he was a, like, well, there was always alleged that he had like, he, he's had like a pass that was definitely splotchy, right? But that's every American, really.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Absolutely. It was splotchy.

• 41:47Speaker 00

  That's every American.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Right. And there was something even almost relatable about that.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  Right. When people thought he was gonna be, there was gonna be a possibility there, right? Like, oh, this is, yeah, this is a guy who was on a TV show.

• 42:01Speaker 00

  Who, like, he's at least in this realm, in this rich realm, right? He's always been looked at as kind of a loser in that realm, maybe, by those people. Unless it's financially based, he's always kind of, it seemed like he'd always been kind of made fun of as an adult. Do you think so?

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think we all just thought he was gonna.

• 42:20Speaker 00

  Like, yeah, what did we think?

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Blue collar, you know, he spoke like a regular person. And I think we thought that he was gonna sort of enact common sense policies. Definitely, definitely was gonna be anti-war.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  And then 2.0 just hit different. I think what happened was the Epstein files.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Really?

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, look, he took 300 million from Mario Mado. So at least now we know how much it costs to, to buy a presidency. So we can all aspire to that. If we've got 300 million sitting in the bank, we can just buy a presidency, right? And beyond that, I think the Epstein files are problematic. I mean, when Pam Bondi said that if they released all the files, she said something along the lines of they released all the files, it would crush the global economy. Like, that's, that's a pretty strong statement, and I want to make sure I get that right. So you can look that up.

• 43:12Speaker 00

  Pam Bondi says that if we prosecute everyone in the Epstein files, the whole system will collapse. Fuck.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  And by the way, that's, that, I feel like that's kind of what we want. So that seems aspirational, but you have to wonder what's in there. And I think we don't really need to wonder. We know what's in there.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  So it's just global trafficking elites, everyone blackmailed, every politician blackmailed all over the world. You know, the kid stuff is a component of it, weapons, trafficking, everything.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  That's what's in the Epstein files.

• 43:41Speaker 00

  It's like this Pandora's box.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  And the Truman Show people, the white walkers as well, like who they're just MK-Ultra-ing and are just in these positions. I mean, that was kind of the wildest part of the Brigitte lawsuit was, I said one flyaway comment of Brigitte Macron was born at the beginning of, on the date that MK-Ultra became, uh, became a program. And they mentioned it like 12 times in a lawsuit. I was like, this is a weird sensitivity. Why are you so sensitive about someone mentioning MK-Ultra? And I do think that a lot of these people are hypnotized and they're traumatized from their youth. And they are literal white walkers among us. And then they're kind of put into these position of power, into these positions of power, not based on a meritocracy, like, just like,

• 44:28Speaker 01

  you've gone through their program or whatever, the Epstein program, so to speak. And yeah.

• 44:34Speaker 00

  Do you think they go through the program without even knowing it? And then they realize, oh, this is where I am?

• 44:39Speaker 01

  I think they're, no, I think they're farming children legit, like trafficking children, sending them to certain schools.

• 44:45Speaker 00

  I hope they're farming them locally. That's all I hope.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, at least, I hope it's just not from Argentina.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I hope it's not. But no, I, yeah, it's.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  But that's, I think that's what's going on. And so that's what we were looking at in some of the series that we were doing was how many times I refer to as the Midas touch, that somebody's just like pulled through the ranks, that's not actually an impressive person. And yet there, you were, you're told that there was some genius, and you start looking into their past and nothing makes sense. And they're actually kind of dumb. There's a lot of those people. And then they're put at the head of a company or, um, at the head of a country.

• 45:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Like Emmanuel Macron gets a little dicey, start looking into his past.

• 45:22Speaker 00

  So Emmanuel Macron, that's the president of France.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:25Speaker 00

  And that's, and you guys are in a law, are you guys currently in a lawsuit still?

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 45:30Speaker 00

  Is it something you have to keep dealing with?

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to keep dealing with it because that's one of the strategies of how the state tries to take you out. It's just to bankrupt you for asking questions. And, um, but this was unusual though, cuz I think this is the first time in world history that a sitting president of a country has sued any media person in another country. I mean, it's just weird. I mean, it'd be very strange if like Vladimir Putin sued you.

• 45:52Speaker 00

  Right.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Just be weird.

• 45:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  No, I don't care what it is, what, that you say about Vladimir Putin, like, he's not gonna, it would just be weird.

• 45:59Speaker 00

  It'd be weird.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  It'd be weird to think that, like, oh, yeah, he's coming to Nashville because he's got a court date with the Obama. Again, we're getting to this inflection point where we're like, hey, man, is this real? Like, the sitting president of France is suing Candace?

• 46:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Kind of weird.

• 46:17Speaker 00

  It's kind of weird. It's kind of like getting to be like Lost at the end of Lost where they were just fucking like, you know?

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Running out of ideas.

• 46:24Speaker 00

  Yes. Like at the end of Lost where they just did too many things, like the black smoke and the like.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  I never saw it, but I know what you mean when the, like, the writers room is just, they're running out of ideas. You just gotta shut the show down at that point.

• 46:35Speaker 00

  And I think Lost might have been the original kind of, it was our first kind of TV COVID, I think. Cuz it, it was like, how much are people willing to go on such a journey? Lost was like a seven-year journey that most of America was on.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Okay, I was not on that journey.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  And ended basically.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 46:52Speaker 00

  It didn't end.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 46:53Speaker 00

  Right? So it just like.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  Like Game of Thrones. We were, we were with you, we were on this journey, and now it's getting weird and.

• 46:58Speaker 00

  So they start to do that, and then it's like, then they make it a little bit more in real life with like something like COVID, you know? I think they've done it in the, in the, in the mental health sector too. I think SSRIs were a big thing, depression, that coming out. And then, like, 20 years after that, I think that, um, bipolar disorder was something that was starting to be really, really diagnosed all the time. And now it's something I hear, like, everybody had, like, I hear so many cases of it. Can you look that up? When was bipolar disorder? I mean, Frankenstein was like the first or Dr. Frankenstein or whatever. But when was like current bipolar disorder? When did that start popping?

• 47:36Speaker 01

  When did it start popping?

• 47:38Speaker 00

  I mean, Halloween just gonna be, it's gonna be a good one. Will people dress up like you for Halloween?

• 47:44Speaker 01

  First century.

• 47:46Speaker 00

  First century CE, yeah, but this, that's just, I think, like, men dressing up like women and stuff.

• 47:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, cuz I think the last time that you were on here, we, we had talked about that they, about that lawsuit.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, but just think about how weird that we're talking about a lawsuit with the sitting president of, like, it's just.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  This is bonkers. They have to, they have to end, it's gotta be, we gotta end the series now, right? Cuz we're getting, the, the ideas are getting too crazy. How do we go beyond that?

• 48:10Speaker 00

  Is there, is there a way that lawsuit will end? Like, do you guys see an end to it or what?

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Just imagine being in the court and just going, I'm sorry, what is the case I'm looking at? I don't even, the sitting president of France, like, you just, you're the sitting president of France. You're supposed to, like, now we can't take a lot of these people seriously. That's also what the problem is with stuff like this, is I feel like there was this.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  I want to, I want to say like, um, like we almost like respected certain things and we thought it was real.

• 48:37Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  This illusion of power at least, and the illusion matters. Like we have to, it has to feel untouchable, you know, has to feel like it could be real. It's untouchable and it's aspirational. And then when you have like the sitting president of France suing podcasters in different nations, you're like, okay, you're not a serious person. Like you're not a serious person. Like you're like the rest of us, stop this pretense, this is coming out of the Elisee Palace, just forget it. You're just like a regular homeboy, you know? And that's, I'm really upset about that. Like we, now we have to realize that everyone's an idiot, everyone's emotional, and they're all, they also happen to be liars. And so for them, they're like, how dare you expose me? I, I have the state behind me, so now I can sue you. And it's like, even if you get beyond the lawsuit, like how does this work? Like you're the sitting president of France.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Even if you won the lawsuit, what's gonna, am I gonna be shut up here? You're gonna take money from my bank account here? Like what's, what are we doing? Talk about realizing that it's like the, the entire system is globalized. Like what are you talking about? And then you have Trump cheering it on.

• 49:38Speaker 00

  The lawsuit?

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. You have Trump cheering it on, saying that he hoped Brigitte triumphs in court. I mean, who knows who controls his Twitter feed or whatever, but, um.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  Have you communicated with Trump about it at all?

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Well, he told me to stop talking about Brigitte. He called me in February of 2025.

• 49:54Speaker 00

  I didn't even know that.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause I was doing a whole series on potential Mossad ties and all this stuff. And I got a phone call from him asking me to just stop talking about Brigitte and Sergio Gore. And I'm going, where, what is going on? I have the White House care about what I'm talking about on a podcast. And they wanted the conversation to stop. But I think now in retrospect, which I've been talking about the podcast now, I think it all actually relates to the Epstein files because the Epstein story is a France story. Like Ghislaine Maxwell, they were, it was a French family. And, um, we were look, getting into like the house of Maxwell and her father, Robert Maxwell, being the central piece.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  It's deep.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  It's deep. And then you realize that his partner was Jean-Luc Brunel. It was the modeling agencies, it was all French. And so I didn't put two and two together really until, um, after Charlie's passing.

• 50:40Speaker 00

  The French modeling agent and founder of Corinne Models and MC2 Model Management, backed by Epstein, which was financially backed by Epstein, was one of Epstein's closest associates.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I think we didn't realize what tree we were barking up when we started the series, looking into Epstein. And I didn't realize that these pieces could obviously come together if you're talking about a world of trafficking. And I, I think, you know, the modeling companies were a front for trafficking a bunch of people from Eastern Europe. That seems to be the picture. Epstein also was involved in weapons and, and so it gives you an ability to do that. And so a lot of these, I, I look at the fashion industry now different because you expect to see young women, they're like, oh, she's this model from Estonia and she's 14, but look how beautiful she is.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  And now I am going, this was kind of all happening right in our face. Cause as you start to look through the Epstein files and he was like picking who was gonna win pageants. Epstein won the lottery twice. Talk about us just realizing that's fake.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  Did he really?

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Look that up. I want to fact check that, but I'm pretty sure he won the Powerball twice, or maybe it was the Powerball twice.

• 51:52Speaker 00

  Did Jeffrey Epstein win the lottery? The studies show.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  No official state or national lottery organization, he has recorded a winner by the name connected to a major verified jackpot. Okay. So is that, was that actually misinformation?

• 52:06Speaker 00

  So let me see.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, go to Tucker, for some reason I feel like I read that somewhere, cause I, you can't trust AI either.

• 52:12Speaker 00

  I mean, who knows if this is.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Powerball, maybe it was Powerball. So that's different from lottery or jackpot. I don't know the difference between all these things, but in Oklahoma, maybe it was just one, once. But it's like a bit weird, like, you know? And so you, you take a look at that and you're going, what's happening? Are we just laundering money?

• 52:28Speaker 00

  Is it about children? Like, yeah, what is, because here's the thing in the end, what is it all about? Is it, is it about sex? Is it about money? It's just about power? Like, um, because now like.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  All of it. I mean, the women, Red Sparrow, like I think that they are probably running the most.

• 52:47Speaker 00

  Who's Red Sparrow? Not that pizza place, is it?

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Is there a pizza place called Red Sparrow?

• 52:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think so. Look that up.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Uh-uh.

• 52:54Speaker 00

  Oh my God.

• 52:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 52:56Speaker 00

  I've eaten there, I've, I've dined in there.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  No, there's no Red Sparrow pizza. What?

• 52:59Speaker 00

  I've dined in there.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  That's crazy that there's a pizza, is that in Nashville?

• 53:02Speaker 00

  What the fuck, man?

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Is that in Nashville?

• 53:05Speaker 00

  Oh shit.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  It's in Australia. What were you doing in Australia eating pizza?

• 53:09Speaker 00

  Oh, I fucking, I was hungry. You think I don't get hungry? Just cause I'm traveling?

• 53:13Speaker 01

  People gotta eat in Australia too. But I'm banned from Australia, so I can't, I can't go.

• 53:18Speaker 00

  You are?

• 53:19Speaker 01

  Me and Kanye, I think are like the only people that have ever been banned from Australia.

• 53:23Speaker 00

  Okay, hold on, we gotta back a couple of things up here. Okay, first, let's get it, and yeah, and I'm not sure if this was, yeah, this may or may not have been the place that I, that I went to, but yeah, thank God. I, yeah, anyway, I didn't go there.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  No, nothing bad happened at this pizza place. I was just, I was, I wasn't even referencing a pizza place. I was saying Red Sparrow like the movie.

• 53:40Speaker 00

  Okay, I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. Yeah, I thought you meant Red Sparrow Pizza.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  They're gonna get hit with so many reviews, like what's going on at Red Sparrow in Australia?

• 53:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, bro, sorry, bro. You guys are chill.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  We're very sorry. Allegedly, allegedly, just throw a couple of allegedly's.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, allegedly.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Allegedly.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, good day, mate.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  No, Red Sparrow, the movies, like all of these spy women.

• 54:01Speaker 00

  It's fucking Halloween, bro.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  That have like been put through the MKUltra program since they were kids and then they're just sent to marry. Cause if you think about that more broadly speaking of what Courtney Love was saying about the publishing rights, well, power in general, like you gotta have a way to access power. So you get all of these women who are like completely hypnotized to marry these men because what's always gonna be, you know, biblically speaking, what's gonna be the easiest way, no matter how much, uh, power a man has, if you want to control him, send a cute girl, you know what I'm saying? And so.

• 54:29Speaker 00

  Send a cute girl looking for sugar or whatever.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they like are, this was, I think, based on like, it was real, like they were training with women.

• 54:36Speaker 00

  This is a book by this guy, the story is based on the bestselling Red Sparrow novel by former CIA officer Jason Matthews. It draws on historical Cold War sex espionage tactics. Yeah. I mean, there's still, this shit, it's.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  Just marry a dude. They can just, right now, you, like you look, you're building a little empire, so they could just send you a wind-up doll and then you love her and then you just leave everything to her, you know? That's scary.

• 55:02Speaker 00

  And she's just a, she's just like a data center of a woman? She's not a real woman?

• 55:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's not a real woman. I think a lot of people are thinking about that right now too, like who the bleep did I marry?

• 55:11Speaker 00

  Right.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  That's the show?

• 55:13Speaker 00

  Who the bleep did I marry?

• 55:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's scary. That stuff scares me, the idea of not knowing who you marry or what they're capable of, even in real world scenarios, like there was that case that just happened, Caleb Flynn or whatever.

• 55:25Speaker 00

  I didn't see that.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  It's just, I don't know what's going on with people. He was having an affair, he, of course he was.

• 55:30Speaker 00

  It's a man?

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Christian pastor, or was at least involved, a worship leader at a church.

• 55:35Speaker 00

  At least he was having an affair with an adult, was it with an adult?

• 55:37Speaker 01

  It was, but it's like, he then wanted out of the relationship and like rather than just filing for divorce, he kills her, his wife. And you just go, okay, oh yeah, also former American idol singer, singer.

• 55:49Speaker 00

  Hmm. It's a dark world.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Like guys, there's so many other options here, you know? And it is, it's a, it's a dark, dark world, but that even, even in the retrospect.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  He staged a home invasion.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. And in the retrospect, what's crazy is her sister, like the victim's sister, was comforting him. She's like, I had no idea that he was capable of this. That is so scary. And for something so dumb, like you just wanted, you had a fling with a girl, like that's crazy to me. Just leave the marriage if that's what, what it comes to. So you wonder, what's going on in this person's head? You don't know who you marry. That is the, the draw of that, where people I think are wondering like.

• 56:29Speaker 00

  Oh yeah.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  When people say, why are women attracted to true crime? It's actually, uh, because you learn things about people.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  You think that's true?

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Absolutely. It's a psychology. It's the, it's the different mindset of, you know, hunters and gatherers. Like women are different creatures. We socialize more, we speak more from a time that, and speak more words than men from a time that we start speaking, we speak faster. And you have to develop those certain traits over time, over, you know? It's, it's evolutionary. So women socialize and they communicate and they learn information because they have to be the ones that keep the kids safe and all, you know? And so then you're talking to each other like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's crazy. I didn't even think about the possibility that the housekeeper could do this or whatever, as you're watching some show. I didn't think about the possibility that a best friend could do this. Then suddenly you're watching somebody else's story and you're thinking, let me make sure that this is taken care of in my household, that my kid is not being exposed to this and, but yeah.

• 57:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, I could see some of that. I could certainly see some of that. I think sometimes when, I think, I, I always thought that women watch those shows because they secretly, like, this might sound crazy, but they secretly respect these murderers.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  What?

• 57:37Speaker 00

  Because at least it's a guy making a commitment, right? Like say what you want about it, that guy is, that is committed.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  Men and women will never understand each other. That is what I've just learned right now. Men and women were just, men are from Mars and women are from Venus. No, women watch it because there's like, it's a draw of like, how could something have gone so wrong? Like where could, it's a safety thing.

• 57:58Speaker 00

  I don't see, I see a lot of women like, oh, at least that guy's willing to commit to her. Yeah.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  No, that's not, that's not the conversation.

• 58:03Speaker 00

  Like he said he would come over and he did come over.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:06Speaker 00

  Yes, he killed her, right? But at least he showed up.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  That is not the conversation that's going on. I always love thinking of what, it's like that meme of what guys think is going on in the girl's head and what girls think guys are thinking and it's just, we're just from different planets.

• 58:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  We are. It's fine, we're from different planets. That's what I've realized. Having boys and girls is just, there's no comparison here.

• 58:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Completely different. What's going on in their minds is never what's going on in our minds. Guys think we're crazy, that's what they think we're thinking. And then we look at guys and we're like, you're crazy. Like how are you guys so chill about this?

• 58:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  In, in certain regards and it's just hunters versus gatherers.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're just fish passing in the night or whatever it's called.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  I think, I think it's the ships.

• 58:45Speaker 00

  Ships.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:47Speaker 00

  Passing in the night. Yeah, if fish are passing in the night, dude, dude, if I wouldn't even notice, cause there's so much water. But yeah, dude, I'm telling you, it's fricking Halloween.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  To be clear, fish do pass in the night as well. There's nothing wrong with that expression. We can say fish passing in the night.

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  It's fish pass, yeah.

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  They pass shudder.

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  Fish passing in the night. Her, I bet he is thinking of another woman. Him, why do we throw our bait towards the middle of the lake when we fish from the bank, but throw our bait towards the bank when we fish from a boat? That's a good question.

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  This is girl versus guy, just.

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• 1:00:49Speaker 00

  like some of this, like the way he plays soccer, whatever.

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  Like he got a tit on his back?

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  Or they're doing like everything.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  You can't just drop that casually. What do you, you can't just say a kid got a tit on his back.

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  I'm just saying they're remodeling it like we have.

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  Help him with soccer.

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  Just like, I think it gave him a little bit more spacing when they were like lobbying for like a header near the net or whatever. But it was just like, what I'm saying is this, Candace, it's all turned into Halloween. Like it's, it's like.

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  We're at the inflection point where it's just weird.

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  It's Halloween, man. Everything's Halloween.

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  But what do you think contributed the most to it? Because I do think that the majority of people, let me think through this because I want to make sure I'm not going to regret the statement. But I do think that the majority of people are normal. And I think we see the extremes a lot, right?

• 1:01:34Speaker 00

  Right.

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  And so that's one of the things like, because my life is very like real. And we don't kind of, I guess, play Hollywood or DC games and we have our friend. Nobody knows who our friends are. Like you're kind of our only friend that's famous, so to speak. And we are keep our kids off of the internet. Like, I just feel like my life is very real and so I know real people. And so I'm wondering if we are also responding to the extremes because we then open our phones and we see like BB net and Yahoo saying this, or someone making a strange, like, I don't know, just doing something insane. And that's what the media is going to cover because they can't cover people being normal.

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  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Like, so I think the majority of people are normal, but the people who have power are eccentric pedophiles.

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  Right. And so they have to keep escalating things.

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  Because they're angry at the normal people are now going, oh, I think you guys are a bunch of pedophiles. And so then they have to be more extreme in their insanity and trying to gaslight us and make us think that we're the crazy people. Like, I don't know, I think about that sometimes, like what's contributing to it? And they want, basically, they want to make us think that they're the majority. But they're actually not the majority. Like, the majority of people don't want to put a tit on their back to balance them at soccer.

• 1:02:55Speaker 00

  Right.

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  Some people, sure.

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  Yeah, some people do. But pedophiles are trying to get that because they want to, it needs to be a new marketing surgery. It needs a new thing.

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  That's the problem with Hollywood. It was like the illusion of a majority because they had so many fans. But they're not, they're not the majority.

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  And now it's changing and so they gotta, they gotta turn up the furnace.

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  Yeah.

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  Oh yeah, you guys are going to be the tit backs or whatever. And you guys are going to be, oh, who's your son play for to tit box?

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Not a terrible name for a team.

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  I agree, but it's just, you're right. It's getting fucking weird. It's turning into Halloween. Do you think that you've influenced a lot of Halloween costumes? Is there any, see if there's any, is there any Candace Owens Halloween costumes out there?

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  They're probably scared because they're going to be like, it's instantly blackface.

• 1:03:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, I will say this, when you have, when you have an artist or when you have like a personality or someone from the world that you like that is black or even dark, dark Native American.

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  I've never been offended by that. I think it's crazy when they're like canceling four-year-olds and they want to dress up as Moana because they love Moana.

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  Yeah.

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  And then they dress up as Moana and your parents canceled. I was like, come on, man.

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  This four-year-old racist or whatever, like what do you mean?

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  She loves Moana.

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  She can't even spell racist.

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  I know, that's why my kids, it's great because they're mixed. They can just, they don't have to.

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  They can do either one.

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  They either one.

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  Oh.

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  Yeah, slide in, be Cinderella. No way.

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  Shawty babe.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  No way. Oh no, that's a tweet. No, they're making fun of this, this, this, this week's thing where they found a video of me. Okay, it wasn't even, it's literally from my college project.

• 1:04:21Speaker 00

  Oh, with the lesbian stuff you mean?

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  But that doesn't seem.

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  No, lesbian stuff wasn't from my college projects, but this is just someone just doing a.

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  Who is that? What, now what period of your life was this, Candace?

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  So I was playing a police officer. It's actually a very funny, long, long video.

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  This is a real photo?

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  No, it's a real photo. I was playing a police officer for my sophomore year college. Uh, I was a journalism major, so you had to like, you know, this is back when you had the video camera and like the early editing in 2008 or whatever. And so your final project was always to pick a topic and then you had to like create a video and submit it. So somebody hacked my, and then you put it up on YouTube and I guess I didn't private or unlisted or whatever. So for some reason, back in June 2025, somebody hacked my YouTube account from college, which only had this video because you have to just send the link to your professor or whatever. Sorry.

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  Yeah, you're good.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  Second. Yeah, I guess somebody hacked my YouTube account last year from sort of two decade old video. It's still hilarious. People should actually go watch it. And it was just, we were covering the Adderall epidemic on college campuses.

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  Yeah.

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  And we were obviously being, it was, it was satire. So we were leaning into like getting arrested because the person was a drug dealer who was selling Adderall.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  So it's just a video from school? But is that why, because there was something I saw last week was like about lesbianism or something like that? But did you ever practice lesbianism? I don't care if you did.

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  Form of witchcraft. Did you ever practice lesbianism? No, of course it was totally fake. It was their, it was their latest like Candace drop. And it was so insane because we were like, what is going on? How are you taking this innocent college video? And so they're like, we hacked this. And then we found that she had a Twitter account. And I'm like, yeah, like what's, what is wrong with any of this? And then of course, if you put it all into Claude, they're like, and then they just pretended that this account, they're like, we can't show you how, but this connects to all of these crazy lesbian accounts from 2008. I'm like, dude, 2008 is too early, eh? And they made a mistake.

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  Could you have been a lesbian at that time?

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  If I was lesbian at that time, you just go to the bar. I'm on a college campus. Like you don't, you go to a frat party. You don't make like, 2008 wasn't a time where people were making.

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  Hang your tongue out of your mouth and run down the street.

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  I'm like, this is, I think they just got the, it's like.

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  What are we even talking about?

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  What are we talking about? People don't need to make accounts. We, Facebook just started, like, you know, there's people weren't doing this kind of stuff. The world wasn't that weird in 2008.

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  Um, so, but anyways, what was really funny though, was they only messed up on one point. So they then like, of course, tried to find all these accounts that didn't have, uh, you know, didn't have a person's face. And it got debunked pretty quickly. But the thing that they forgot, you want to know what saved me? I had a trashy tattoo and a belly ring and they forgot to put it on there. And I was like, see mom, I disobeyed you.

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  I told you.

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  Dunking on my mom two decades later. I'm like, you see, I told you this tattoo would pay off.

• 1:07:10Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they, they forgot the tattoo and the belly ring and the belly rings. Because you know millennials, and I always talked about it on my podcast on, at the Daily Wire. She was like, you know, this was the regret because tattoo removal is very, very painful. But they just forgot it in the, in the Candace series. And then so the whole thing got clearly, I was like, guys, it's just different. People weren't, it's just weird.

• 1:07:30Speaker 00

  So you never, you see, you never did it then?

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  No, of course, no. Do you notice what they were accusing me of? They were, it was like, they weren't even casual. It was so Epstein-coded. They were like this website, she's had six, like six profiles on Adult Friend Finder, trying to find group, like group sex.

• 1:07:47Speaker 00

  Group activities or whatever?

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I'm like, people weren't doing that. Like we had BlackBerries, man. It was a simple, it was a simpler time.

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  First of all.

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  We had BlackBerries.

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  And also any woman with a BlackBerry.

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  BBM.

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  T-Mobile was like that side.

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  Sidekick, that's, it was the land of sidekick.

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  That was a lesbian item.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  I never had a sidekick. Maybe it was a lesbian item.

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  I feel like.

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  I know my mom had a sidekick.

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  Did she?

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  She did.

• 1:08:10Speaker 00

  But we're so, wait, was there a photo that's not, so none of the things that they were saying were sexual pictures, right?

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  No, no, they, then they tried to like, like, there was no, there was no sense. It was totally schizophrenic, but they.

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  Put lesbian Candace and see what it is.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  So then they, yeah, they tried to put up this photo.

• 1:08:23Speaker 00

  It's gonna be half the WNBA, so we can't do that, dude.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, so then they tried, that photo in the corner, and then they.

• 1:08:29Speaker 00

  Let me see it.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  They didn't know I didn't have a, they didn't know that I had a belly ring and a, um, a tattoo. So then they tried to go back and be like.

• 1:08:37Speaker 00

  Whoa, Candace, is that you?

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  It ain't me, unfortunately.

• 1:08:40Speaker 00

  Who is that?

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  So then they found the photos after of my tattoo and I was like, y'all, you guys already fumbled the ball. You can only do the fake, you can only try the fake porn thing once. I was like, you missed the trashy tattoo and you missed the belly ring. And then they found the photo, actual photos of me in college and I had a trashy tattoo.

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  Oh dude, when you're in college, dude, every, who is, I couldn't name seventy-five people also men when I was in college that weren't lesbians, first of all.

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  But yeah, I mean.

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  Everybody, dude.

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  Brunette, what was it, Burnett's?

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  Bro, you hang your tongue out the frickin', just out of a moving car window and something will run across it.

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  It was literally disgusting.

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  It's just a different.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  But I mean, I kind of benefited from just, I was always just very honest with my audience about, like, I talked about the tattoo regret, belly rings, the like Christina Aguilera phases, drinking in college, and I think that you get this, like, that's one of the things that I think I benefited from is just, I've never pretended to be this perfect person, you know? Like, I, I mean, I drank in college.

• 1:09:35Speaker 00

  It's like you're gonna have a normal life, right?

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  But like, then, like, going to like the sex route and like trying to pretend that people are posting on your, it's just, because I don't support Israel, like, it's just like, we're getting a little crazy, you know what I mean? Like, there's something about that, that I was like, it feels, I don't know, like, not.

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  Well, it just feels cheap, I mean.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  It feels, but it's like it goes back and you're trying to edit my character. It's like, I've already told you the flaws, like, you don't need to.

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  Right.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  You know, and like to try to sexualize things is crazy to me, but.

• 1:10:02Speaker 00

  Well, I think we're in a different time where you can't use those types of things as much anymore, right? Say you were somebody that had, that had, that had even dated a woman, who cares? And say you were somebody that was having, going through a tough time and was, and was selling, and was like involved in like, some sort of sexual thing, so what?

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Like, people are human people, right?

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. What somebody then also said is, the new thing now, like, I, we're also just lucky that the internet wasn't what it is now, but someone was even saying that now what they do is, they get these like, you know, there'll be these like data leaks and they'll be able to find like an old password of yours. And so then they'll go, this gratefully didn't happen to me, and they'll, but they'll like access dormant accounts. And then they'll create prof, like, they'll create a digital profile for you and you've never even been on this website.

• 1:10:47Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  So now it's getting very sophisticated and people just need to be careful on the internet, like, and maybe that goes back to my point earlier about me just not wanting to put my kids out there, because if you're putting your kids out there on the internet and you're public, how do you know they're not already creating fake identities for your kids? You know what I'm saying? Like, pretending your kid has a TikTok or whatever it is, just using a dormant account and creating a whole profile. Like, there are entire profiles of me, profiles of people, you know, good fan profiles, but then there could also be profiles that are not fan profiles, I hate you.

• 1:11:16Speaker 00

  I saw one, there was one of you, I think it was somebody had said it was like dark farmer women or whatever, bring that one up.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  No, do not, is it, what is it?

• 1:11:22Speaker 00

  It's not illegal or anything, it was just like, it was like kind of a farmer's only dating thing or whatever, but I think it was. Or not dark, it was darker farmer women, or tanned farmer women, and you were like, the most tan on there or something like that. Yeah, it was just a conservative female dating site or something.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  What? I have an account on darker farmer woman?

• 1:11:40Speaker 00

  Look, I don't think it's a bad look.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  No, that's so crazy, no, pull that up.

• 1:11:44Speaker 00

  You make it sound very negative.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:11:45Speaker 00

  It's a good place for people to meet people, especially in Murphy's.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  There is no way. Are you kidding?

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  I'm not kidding. I know I saw this. Or I, you know, you go through, you just like, you scroll and you see stuff, you know?

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  This she has to actually find.

• 1:11:59Speaker 00

  Or, like, uh, or, like mahogany farmer, something like that, I don't know what that terminology was used, sorry.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  Wait, so is it like a, a website dedicated to black farmers, literally?

• 1:12:10Speaker 00

  No, it's a, it's like, it's sort of like a urban farmer dating site, I think.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  Wait, like urban, like city or urban, like, black people?

• 1:12:19Speaker 00

  I mean, whatever you want it to be.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  I don't know, I've never heard of this.

• 1:12:22Speaker 00

  Okay, I think it's black people, but I don't know.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Why are you on these websites?

• 1:12:26Speaker 00

  I'm not on them all the time.

• 1:12:30Speaker 00

  I'm just trying to do my best, dude.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  This I didn't know about.

• 1:12:33Speaker 00

  It gets, I gotta get, I gotta get a family.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  You gotta get a family suit. I didn't even know about this.

• 1:12:38Speaker 00

  This is how you get one, sometimes, you gotta go, you gotta search, you gotta shop around.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  There you go, you learn something new every day, an urban farmer site. Are they using my photo though, for real?

• 1:12:47Speaker 00

  No, I, it was somebody, I think, it could have been something that was fictional. Who knows what's real anymore?

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, oh yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, I was like, I thought you were saying like you were on the website and there was a profile for me.

• 1:12:57Speaker 00

  No, I saw a profile, but I don't think that it, it wasn't a sexual thing. Black female farmers, farmer dating.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  I didn't know this was a thing. Single farmers dating, okay.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  Love this, let me see. Cause we need more black farmer women, and look at this white woman sneaking in, even the third woman.

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  This is crazy. I didn't even know it was what, like, there's so many websites, like.

• 1:13:18Speaker 00

  Oh, there you go down there. Let me see, women of a different breed right there. I'm that special lady, pull up.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  What are you doing on this website?

• 1:13:26Speaker 00

  Huh? I'm just looking to see what's online.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  That's so crazy. Wait, she's not black?

• 1:13:31Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying, some of these girls be trying to like, oh, that seems like a bot. Some of these dating sites are so bots, and who is that lady? I'm a professional high fashion model, that's how it starts, right there.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  There you go, right there. That is hilarious, yeah, I didn't know about this.

• 1:13:46Speaker 00

  Bot right there. It's dark Candace. And I'm not talking about the women.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:13:51Speaker 00

  It's dark out there.

• 1:13:54Speaker 00

  I think we all just got it, some of it's too much online sometimes.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  It is, and I was even, because we were just talking about it now, like, the millennials, we kind of carved it all out. And even the earlier dating sites, like, it was so much more innocent then, like, people were on like eHarmony, there were like commercials for it. And then I was, I was telling my producer Ashley, I was like, even when Tinder got started, my friends that were on Tinder, they, it was, people would go on dates and it was normal. And then everything became so sexual, like, I feel like in like two thousand and twelve, things kind of went down a drain. And maybe a little later, maybe it was like two thousand and fifteen, but, I don't know, there was like an innocence to the internet in the beginning, and then it got very dark and sexual and weird, and Tinder got taken over, and then it was like Netflix and chill.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  And then people kind of migrated and went to Bumble because they were trying to get out of that filth, and now it's just like, I can't imagine trying to date at all. Like, it's just really, especially online, like, you just don't know, like, everything is so scary now.

• 1:14:51Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, yeah, in the beginning, it was kind of like casual.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  It used to be a lot more innocent, and, and Google used to be real, by the way, the results that we got back, there were so many different options.

• 1:15:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  And then I feel like we stepped into like a totally different era where everything now is like fake, fake and gay, like I always say, it's just fake and gay. And you're like, okay, what's real? Are these like, there, we just got bots everywhere, it's trying to tell you what to think, Google is no longer giving you every answer. It's like telling you what the answer needs to be, as soon as you answer, you can't even trust the first answer on Google, you actually should just dismiss the first answer on Google. And then you have to like, you used to have all of these options, and I try to explain to people, I'm like, the internet is now fake, it's just everything about it is of a near.

• 1:15:31Speaker 00

  Right, it started to almost eat, digest its own self in a weird way, but.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  They got smart and we're like, no, we need to tell them what to think and not show them what other people are thinking, you know? The dead internet theory, that is a hundred percent. I believe, I believe that.

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  The dead internet theory is an online concept which suggests that the internet is now mostly controlled by automated bots and AI-generated content instead of real people, I agree.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  X definitively. I mean, X is just a bot farm. I knew it once.

• 1:15:55Speaker 00

  Grossest.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  It's so gross.

• 1:15:56Speaker 00

  Dude, X, what, what did Elon do? What happened? Because it is the sickest place, you don't even go on anymore, I don't even know anybody who go, it's just like kind of a trashy spot where people are trying to sell meme coins.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Let's just be honest, Twitter was better when Jack Dorsey ran it.

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  We gotta just, we gotta just drop, we gotta drop that right now.

• 1:16:15Speaker 00

  But do you think that something happened where then like the people, maybe Elon bought it and then they, they just, like, haters bought so many bots, like, do you think it's bots or do you think?

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  It's bots. They're obviously fake profiles. I mean, I remember at the, like, inflection point when they were really trying to get Trump to go to war. And Trump was like, I have one hundred percent support in their, like, a ridiculous poll that's so obviously not true. But I remember Michael Knowles, like, he tweeted something and he like ran a poll of like, do you support the Iranian war? And it was like a hundred percent of people supported it.

• 1:16:50Speaker 00

  It's awful.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  That, come, on Twitter, and that, you can see sometimes where they launch all these bots and the trends are completely controlled now, so like, you will never see a ba, a bad trend about a Zionist, and then no matter what people who are anti-Zionist do, they like try to clean it up and like go after people, so they're controlling the trends, the bots, and I don't know why he allowed that to happen, because he kind of came in like, I'm gonna rescue X, but you, you know, maybe it wasn't a good business deal, and so he's just, you know, cut some deals on the side, but everyone knows that it's bots. But I will say this, because I don't think it's a bad thing, because people are aware of it, so I think now we're kind of becoming like antibiotic resistant, do you know what I mean?

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  Like, they're trying to, and we're just like, okay, this is obviously a nonsense, nobody actually believes this, nobody.

• 1:17:37Speaker 00

  Nobody believes these charts, nobody.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:39Speaker 00

  Right, nobody believes any of this.

• 1:17:40Speaker 01

  Having the opposite effect, and so it's a good thing that we now realize that the internet is dead, like the dead internet theory is real, and.

• 1:17:48Speaker 00

  But now what happens from here, because here's the thing, say if there's these higher, like, dark powers and they control everything. Once people start to look up and just not be stuck in, in the confusion anymore, right? To realize that, oh, everything's being controlled, it's all like kind of, so much of things are a myth. You have to immediately.

• 1:18:10Speaker 00

  Control all of them, or they'll get out of the cage. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:18:14Speaker 01

  Then that's where we're at right now.

• 1:18:15Speaker 00

  Right, that feels like.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  I don't think they know what to do. They're like pouring more of it on and it looks even more ridiculous.

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's bizarre. It's like, yeah.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  We know people don't think this. What are you talking about? We know these are bots. What are you saying? The, that's what I'm saying. The average person doesn't think like this. So I don't think they ever thought through this plausibility that there would be this awakening this quickly, because it did kind of happen quickly. Like, we went, the last few years have been, I feel like.

• 1:18:39Speaker 00

  Everything's gone faster. Everything's gone faster. The evil has gone faster. The hope has gone faster. I think more people are kind of like, hopefully, hopefully heading towards faith and trying to find that maybe this is the time where it's just another time in history where you realize that maybe this is something that brings a lot of people back to faith, you know?

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  But even faith is getting exposed, like the faith grift, so to speak, has been exposed um, in some areas for sure. I think over the last three years as well, where you got these like pastors who are like ripped jeans and trying to relate. And now we're like, wait a second, you're totally just a government.

• 1:19:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, like calves for Christ. You'll see those guys doing like the workouts or whatever. Like, these calves are for Christ. You know what I'm saying? Christ.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  What pocket of the internet are you in? I've never seen calves for Christ. I've never seen black farmers. Like, where are you right now?

• 1:19:27Speaker 00

  Bro, I'm online.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  For Christ.

• 1:19:29Speaker 00

  Bro, I'm online. I'm online, Candace.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  For Christ. I've never heard of this.

• 1:19:34Speaker 00

  But I'm just saying, Jesus, he might have been able to hold himself up on the cross if he'd had these calves.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  No way.

• 1:19:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's a lot of dark stuff out there.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  I gotta, I just gotta like jump into your entire algorithm right now. You're seeing things that I'm just not seeing on the internet. But yes, to your point, I was talking more about like the mega church sort of cool pastor that like relates to you and all that stuff.

• 1:19:57Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, I think everything can get corrupt, right? It's like.

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think that these actually started corrupt, like some of these mega churches, because I, when I, yeah, I mean, the kind of money they're bringing in. I'll tell you where I was, my moment where I said, okay, this is, something's going on here.

• 1:20:11Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  I don't know if we're drug trafficking, what's going on here with these mega churches, who's funding them, was when Joel Osteen plumber went to go fix a toilet at his mega church. And he like accidentally hit a wall and found $300,000 cash.

• 1:20:28Speaker 00

  You're lying.

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  Behind a toilet.

• 1:20:30Speaker 00

  Let me see.

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  And then Joel Osteen comes out and he's like, oh, there it is. Like.

• 1:20:38Speaker 00

  Oh, dang.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Oh, there it is. We didn't real, 300, that's, you know, you hate, I hate when that happens. Well, I accidentally lose 300K behind a toilet. And I'm going, are we all accepting this answer for like 300K cash found in like, I think something else is going on here. I don't know. I'm not an expert. I'm not an expert.

• 1:20:56Speaker 00

  If these walls could talk.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  If these walls could talk.

• 1:20:58Speaker 00

  They'd say, hey, I need to get to a bank.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  Look at this. This is real. The plumber was Justin Colley.

• 1:21:05Speaker 00

  A plumber named Justin Colley found roughly 500 envelopes containing cash, checks, and money orders hidden in a wall behind a loose toilet at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church in Houston on November 10th, 2021. The old loose toilet trick, huh?

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:19Speaker 00

  Let me come over there. You heard you got that loose toilet.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  And then look at the resolution there. The church stated that the original stolen amounts had been covered by insurance and that the recovered funds were inventoried. So you're telling me it was stolen and then someone just put it in a, behind a toilet? Like, what would be the purpose of that?

• 1:21:37Speaker 00

  Sounds like laundering.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  It sounds a little bit like maybe we need to be investigating that a little further.

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  Houston police confirmed that the serial numbers and dates on the recovered checks linked to the stash to an unsolved March 2014 burglary were 600,000, about 200,000 in cash and 400,000 in checks.

• 1:21:54Speaker 01

  So the burg, like, think about the story they're trying to tell us right now.

• 1:21:56Speaker 00

  Was reported stolen from the church safe. So.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  You stole it and instead of just walking out with it, you decided to put it in a toilet? Like, I don't think that happened. I think there might have been something going on inside of the church and then you filed for insurance and you got money. And then like, of course, on Sunday, when they find it and it's a whole scandal, it's just like, oh, praise God.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  You know? Pray to Saint Anthony. And there it is. There it is. There it is. I'm going, are we accepting there?

• 1:22:26Speaker 00

  My money has come along. They're over there filing off their fingerprints.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  Like, I'm like, guys, come on. I've been around. You don't just find 300K behind a toilet.

• 1:22:43Speaker 00

  Different times.

• 1:22:44Speaker 01

  Different times. But yeah, I was like, okay, these mega churches are getting real mega, you know?

• 1:22:49Speaker 00

  Well, it's all, everything is like, that's the thing about, it's like, I don't know, it's a, everything's a tough balance to take care of yourself and not to get too, and not to get caught up, corrupted.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Speaker 00

  Um, it's Halloween, man. It's turning into Halloween. Um, yeah, what are some good, what are some good Halloween costumes, I wonder?

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  What are you gonna, what are you gonna be for Halloween?

• 1:23:10Speaker 00

  Probably Brigitte's weiner, probably.

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  Brigitte would be a great costume. Brigitte would be a great costume.

• 1:23:16Speaker 00

  Would people be Macron's weiner for Halloween? Has anybody ever been that? Is that a crazy thing to say?

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  I don't think, um, any, I don't think so. I think they'd be thrown in jail. They don't have free speech in France. Yeah.

• 1:23:27Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're headed that direction. They don't have free speech in France. That's why the journalists that like covered the story had to like move out of France.

• 1:23:34Speaker 00

  Nuh-uh.

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, for eight years. Xavier Pousard to work on the story, the government was just coming after him.

• 1:23:40Speaker 00

  Have you ever spoken to him?

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  Oh, Xavier Pousard? Yeah. He's the, the whole basis of the podcast I did was his work. So he's the one who, he's the real hero of the story. I mean, he was, you can't, that's like, that's old school journalism to commit yourself to one story for eight years and people aren't used to it because we live in such an ADHD society. That's been like me with the Charlie Kirk case. I just haven't let it go.

• 1:24:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  And it's, it's how journalism used to be. You don't just cover something for five seconds and then just dismiss it. Because you can't. If it's actually a case or something that big, you have to, you know, read the documents. You gotta follow what's going on. You have to know the characters. There are a lot of characters. So.

• 1:24:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, I want to ask you about it really quick. Um, let me see this. So this says, France has freedom of speech, but it is not absolute and comes with specific legal limits.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  So you don't have freedom of speech.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  French people trying to be tricky. So you don't have it. We have freedom of speech, but it comes to.

• 1:24:37Speaker 00

  Polez-vous freedom?

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  All right, exactly. Like, take that statue of liberty.

• 1:24:43Speaker 00

  I never been, man, and honestly, bruh, and no disrespect to the French, bruh, but I've never really been a big fan of the French, bruh.

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  You know, I will say.

• 1:24:51Speaker 00

  And that's fine with me, cuz.

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  People, people in Paris are not like the people on the rest of France. It's like a different, it's kind of like judging all of America based on New Yorkers.

• 1:25:02Speaker 00

  That's fair.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Or more like LA people.

• 1:25:04Speaker 00

  I just think, I don't know, my favorite place in the world is in France. So it's called Ansi. Can you look it up?

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  Oh, random. What are you doing at all these places?

• 1:25:12Speaker 00

  I was cruising. I had a lady at the time and we was cruising through there.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  Is this the Basil Lady?

• 1:25:16Speaker 00

  Netflix and chilling. No, different girl.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  No?

• 1:25:19Speaker 00

  My old girlfriend. Ansi, yeah. Can you see just the downtown?

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  Kerne.

• 1:25:24Speaker 00

  It's just a small place.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  Wow, beautiful.

• 1:25:26Speaker 00

  It's a little town over there.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:28Speaker 00

  Get you a little chocolate.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  Liked her.

• 1:25:30Speaker 00

  It's like being in that show Chocolate. You ever remember that movie?

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  You must have really liked her.

• 1:25:33Speaker 00

  I did like her.

• 1:25:34Speaker 01

  Yeah? What happened?

• 1:25:35Speaker 00

  Oh, I don't know what happened. I think I was this.

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  It was you.

• 1:25:39Speaker 00

  I was cheating, probably.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:40Speaker 00

  Running around.

• 1:25:43Speaker 00

  Just being just a weiner head.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  That reporter was amazing.

• 1:25:47Speaker 00

  That what?

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  That reporter in France and.

• 1:25:49Speaker 00

  Was he?

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:50Speaker 00

  Did you ever have him on your show?

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  He, yeah. So I actually went out and interviewed him in London because I just couldn't even comprehend the idea of dedicating yourself for eight years to one story.

• 1:26:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  Do you know what I'm saying? And then having to move your entire family. There's no upside for your family. Like, he's.

• 1:26:07Speaker 00

  So they made his family move because he was.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  No, he was getting chased by the government. They were doing things and they, they went after every single journalist that tried to cover the story.

• 1:26:15Speaker 00

  What's his name? Picard or whatever?

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  Xavier Pousard.

• 1:26:18Speaker 00

  Xavier Pousard.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  Pousard, yeah. And he just did the most amazing work and had to wait years, even when he was filing for things that he rightfully was supposed to get. I mean, it's like me right now trying to file FYI requests and the government just keeps telling us, nope, doesn't matter. Don't have to answer. Don't, you know, and so he, for eight years, he fought them on this Brigitte story and the the book Becoming Brigitte, which I based the podcast, podcast series on is amazing. It's absolutely amazing. So, um.

• 1:26:45Speaker 00

  So this is the guy who's, and what are his major beliefs?

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Major beliefs in regard to.

• 1:26:51Speaker 00

  And in regard to all of his research, the whole goal of the research is what? Is it just to?

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  And he's never been sued, by the way, by Brigitte. Isn't that crazy?

• 1:27:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  He's never been sued by Brigitte for defamation.

• 1:27:03Speaker 00

  It says Xavier Pousard published articles and subsequently a book titled Becoming Brigitte. Oh, that amplified debunked online.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  See? Debunked online hoaxes. It's just not true. That's why you can never trust the AI overview because it's just the government.

• 1:27:15Speaker 00

  So you're saying that what the AI overview here is saying is not true?

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's never been debunked. It's never been debunked, ever. And so.

• 1:27:21Speaker 00

  Says real quick. That amplified debunked online hoaxes claiming Brigitte was born biologically mailed these false narratives subsequently gained international traction after being shared by various commentators and media figures.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  Looking at you, Candace Owens.

• 1:27:34Speaker 00

  But real, what really happened?

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  Um, for him, they never, they never sued him, but they came after his businesses. You know, it's the squeaks, like I was talking about. One of the mechanisms is they'll like try to bankrupt you, um, kind of terrify you. They went after other journalists on the case and sued them for defamation, never on the point that, uh, Brigitte was born Jean-Michel Chagno. My lawsuit is not about whether or not Brigitte Macron is a man. They always, and that's what they do, is they, they try to win these cases on a technicality. Like, she's suing me, like I said, for mentioning MKUltra, for saying that she stole her brother's idea because she didn't steal it or whatever. So, and say, accusing somebody of theft is accusing somebody of being a criminal. And that's basically what they did. And then they tell the

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  press, and so the press runs Candace Owens being sued for defamation for calling Brigitte a man. Read the case. I'm not being sued for calling Brigitte a man.

• 1:28:24Speaker 00

  We never go read the case.

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  Nobody reads the case. And that's the problem with the, the press. And then what happens is you then go on to AI and it scrapes. And so it's Candace Owens is being sued for saying Brigitte's a man. I'm not being sued for saying Brigitte's a man.

• 1:28:37Speaker 00

  Fuck.

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  It's, she's never sued anyone for saying that she was born a man. And.

• 1:28:40Speaker 00

  Do people think that she was born a man?

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  A lot of lawsuits are like that now. It's just for PR reasons. To say that you're suing over something that you're not suing of the entire.

• 1:28:49Speaker 00

  Because she's got a small frame. I don't even know if she could hold a weiner up on, if she had one on her. Pull her up.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  Brigitte, Brigitte's old now, you know? Brigitte's like 80 something now.

• 1:28:57Speaker 00

  Pull her body up a little bit. Or not her body, don't do it like that, but just pull her up as a tall person.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  Pull up Brigitte's body. I'm gonna strongly say reject. Do not do that right now.

• 1:29:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, get that gander right there. Oh, that body couldn't hold a strong Frank at all. I'll tell you that straight up.

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  The case is absolutely fascinating.

• 1:29:20Speaker 00

  The real weiner right here is that dude next to her. Who is that frigging?

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  One of the most protected people ever, Brigitte. Like it's-

• 1:29:28Speaker 00

  Is she really?

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  Is she really is the question.

• 1:29:32Speaker 00

  Do you, uh, how do-

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  Is really she?

• 1:29:35Speaker 00

  Is-

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Or is really he?

• 1:29:37Speaker 00

  Hey. If these-

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  To he or not to he?

• 1:29:41Speaker 00

  I'll say, look-

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  That is the question.

• 1:29:43Speaker 00

  If these vaginal walls could talk, you know what I'm saying, bro?

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  It's like-

• 1:29:49Speaker 00

  Hey, they wouldn't say a word because they not here.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  The little crazy story, but Brigitte, I'm not taking back anything that I've said, that's for sure.

• 1:29:58Speaker 00

  We can't all be weiners.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  Exactly. It's just that the Brigitte story is crazy and see-

• 1:30:03Speaker 00

  But if I had a little weiner, I'd fucking keep that bitch on me, bro. If I was a woman, I wouldn't mind having a little weiner, probably.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  Like if you, if you were a wom- what you couldn't, if you were a woman.

• 1:30:12Speaker 00

  Right. But if you had one, I'd keep that thang on me, keep that Drake on me.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, you would.

• 1:30:17Speaker 00

  Pull it out every now and then?

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I sense-

• 1:30:20Speaker 00

  Be like, hey, I'm gonna set something in your hand, guess what it is or whatever. Dude, do you think, this is a new game I like to play with people is. Do you think you could-

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  I don't want to play that game.

• 1:30:28Speaker 00

  Okay, sorry.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  They'll follow up there.

• 1:30:31Speaker 00

  It's could you draw your weiner from not even looking at it, just guessing what it looks like? I think it would be an awesome contest to have. You had people, and they had like a hundred people, they draw their weiner. They don't show their weiner or anything. They just draw their weiner. Whoever gets closest wins almost maybe $2,000.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  So this is the thing where I say women and men will never be able to understand each other.

• 1:30:52Speaker 00

  Why?

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Because I don't, I don't think that that's a, a thought that's ever crossed the mind of a woman thinking about what men could think about.

• 1:31:02Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, a little weiner contest, a little art?

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  Because I think we normally think like it's hot dogs.

• 1:31:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  Weiner competition is co-biashi, consuming as many-

• 1:31:11Speaker 00

  Oh, maybe rich women, they want that wagyu Frank or whatever.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it. So this, that competition-

• 1:31:17Speaker 00

  I'm talking about, I'm talking about the Lord's Lincoln log. I'm talking about that body weiner. Uh, anyway, let's move on, sorry. Um, you have done a lot of research, probably maybe more than anybody on the Charlie Kirk case.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  I have.

• 1:31:32Speaker 00

  Right? And I'm sorry about the loss of your friend.

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:31:35Speaker 00

  Um, I, I've seen it's just some, just you being able to share some emotional moments over the past year, talking about him and some of you guys' relationship.

• 1:31:45Speaker 00

  What is the one thing about the case, uh, that you just can't get over, right? Like what's one thing about the case that keeps you up at night that has you believing like there's something else going on here?

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  So if we're talking about just the facts of the case, the thing that, everything fell apart instantly was when they said that his neck stopped a 30 out of six bullet. That's so, it's so crazy that we shouldn't be required to have to argue it. It's so, it's, you know, from 150 feet away, it's, it's just nutty.

• 1:32:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think that's most, I think that, to me, that was most people's like, this is a red flag.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  Something's not right.

• 1:32:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  And then I would say on the broader aspects of the case, the personalities surrounding it, is the lack of transparency from the organization that's now run by his wife. Like that's kind of, people are learning things about what he was going through in his last days from me, uh, Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson, and it just seems that the organization has done a complete 180 from what he was going through. And so that would be the most alarming, I guess, social aspects of the case is what's happening. Um, obviously last week, the UVU finally released the independent review.

• 1:33:05Speaker 00

  And that's Utah Valley University?

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, so for a year, they outsourced the Lake Forest group to go through the, see what went wrong that day. And so we have been told from his wife, from people that all of these things happened because UVU did this. Brian Harpold went on Sean Ryan and said the rooftops weren't covered because of the chief of police, and here's the text message. And then what it exposed was that they were, they were lying about everything. And so that, that's the reason why they've just been attacking me all week is because the UVU review, independent review came out and everyone should read it. Like I always say, don't ever take my word for stuff. Like I'm telling you what is in it, but you should also go independently look at it because it's, it's shocking of,

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  you know, they were the ones, Turning Point USA demanded that he be outside and the university said, we don't recommend this. You shouldn't, you know, this is not a good place.

• 1:33:56Speaker 00

  Is that true?

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  Hun- yeah, that's 100% true.

• 1:33:59Speaker 00

  Why did they want him to be outside?

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  They claimed that it was because Charlie loved, um, uh, the amphitheater setup. And I don't doubt he liked the amphitheater setup, but I, I think when we now learned that the night before, he was worried he was gonna be killed. Like, and if UVU was saying, we, you should not do this. And they're forcing it before they even knew what the event was gonna be. Their main thing was it has to be outside in the amphitheater. I don't think Charlie was ride or die amphitheater. I've done UVU with him. We didn't do it in the amphitheater.

• 1:34:29Speaker 00

  Pull that up. Can you find something specific about that, Trevin?

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  It, you could find it in the, uh, yeah, the UVU independent review. Um, and you could just search it. Courtyard is what they call it and throughout the courtyard.

• 1:34:41Speaker 00

  Um-

• 1:34:42Speaker 01

  And so when you realize that the insistence was coming from Turning Point USA and they tried to play it the opposite, then they dedicate two pages to just debunking everything Brian Harpold said on the Sean Ryan episode. And most crucially-

• 1:34:55Speaker 00

  The UVU report does?

• 1:34:56Speaker 01

  But it's, and this report is not theirs. It's an independent outside group that sits in, um, Chicago, Illinois.

• 1:35:02Speaker 00

  So do you believe that this report is, is reliable or not reliable?

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  They, everyone participated from the feds, the local police, UVU. The only people that didn't participate was Turning Point USA. So they had to go off of Turning Point's public statements and like they went off of Brian Harpold's interview with Sean Ryan.

• 1:35:19Speaker 00

  And Brian Harpold is?

• 1:35:21Speaker 01

  The security, one of the 13 security members that were there that day.

• 1:35:26Speaker 00

  That's right. I saw him on Sean Ryan, I know who you're talking about.

• 1:35:28Speaker 01

  And so he kind of got out in front of it and said all of these things, like we, he, he said the opposite. He said that they told us the event has to be here. Then we find out, and they put in text messages, emails, and talked, like they, there's, it's not like they're just saying, trust us, bro.

• 1:35:42Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  It took a year.

• 1:35:44Speaker 00

  The outdoor location insisted upon by TPUSA for their event created significant protective operation considerations. The speaking area was located in an open access campus environment surrounded by buildings, elevated space, pedestrian routes, and multiple vantage points. UVU, UVU personnel recognized and responded to some of these concerns, including the Hall of Flags outdoor pedestrian walkway above the speaking location. However, the planning process did not include a documented line of site assessment. Um-

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  So they had emails and then we learned that it was Turning Point Headquarters that requested this event to happen, which was a major question that we had. Who requested this event so like late in the day, a couple of weeks before, when that's not how these events typically come together? And it turned out it was Turning Point Headquarters, not even the student, the student chapter didn't say, hey, can we have Charlie? They were like, you're getting Charlie and so call the school and see if that, you know.

• 1:36:33Speaker 00

  So we did, the, the, so Turning Point approached the school about him being there?

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, they wanted the school typically, because you know, I used to work for them, the students request, they'd say what speakers they want to have.

• 1:36:43Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 1:36:43Speaker 01

  And so then they, they're making a request to headquarters, like I want Candace, I want Charlie, I want whoever's on the roster. And they try to make it happen for them because obviously we can't do every school and they, it's kind of like a reward system. How did, you know, how well did your chat perform? This time uniquely, headquarters reached out to the student chapter and they put the guy's email in there because he's like, my field director just reached out to me. They're being vague, but they want the courtyard. Is it available?

• 1:37:10Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:37:11Speaker 01

  So that's a big problem.

• 1:37:13Speaker 00

  But wouldn't Charlie have had something to do with that? Like saying, this is what I want? Like was he part of TP, uh, Turning Point Headquarters?

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  I can just tell you, my experience working there is like they, the students give all the requests. There's a meeting about what events you want to do. Sure, if Charlie would say like, I really want to do like the big ones, the big three, like Berkeley, Stanford, and UCLA, we did those. Because you know they're gonna be like really fun events. This, but those, they cannot come together as quickly is the point because they, you're fighting with the administration. They don't want you there as a conservative on campus. They want to make sure things are safe. They think, you know, all of these specifications, there can only be this many people. And so-

• 1:37:50Speaker 00

  Everything's gotta be gluten free, all that.

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  So people were wondering also why there was no ambulance on standby. Well, it turns out this very, this report reveals that the president was like, headquarters basically filled out the form. They told them there was only going to be 600 people and they ticked no on needing an ambulance.

• 1:38:09Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  So every single security measure-

• 1:38:12Speaker 00

  That seems like a crazy thing to put.

• 1:38:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:14Speaker 00

  That seems crazy to put that.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, why would you say, would you say yes to the ambulance in general?

• 1:38:18Speaker 00

  What if there's seven people around? Dude, if I'm even swimming with two of my friends, I'll have somebody around just for safety.

• 1:38:22Speaker 01

  If it's an option.

• 1:38:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  Right? If it's an option. And I was saying that I had never done an event where there wasn't an ambulance on standby. And, and I worked with them for years. So all of these things, and if they had been forthcoming, if they had been not gaslighting us for a year, if they had been like, we reviewed our, like if Turning Point USA came out and was like, we made so many mistakes. You know, we actually were the ones who told them not to have an ambulance. Instead, they were like on a high mighty horse, like high on their own supply. UVU did this, the police chief, and it turns out the police chief of UVU is the hero of this. He kept being, he was the one that said, oh, we're gonna need more people. There's actually-

• 1:38:59Speaker 00

  Have you had him on your show?

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  No, he hasn't spoken to anybody, but they, they basically tried to blame this guy for a year. And he was the only person that seemed concerned about Charlie's safety. They never, he tried to meet up with them on the day of the event. They never did a walkthrough.

• 1:39:13Speaker 00

  For the September 10th TPUSA event, the director of emergency management and safety assigned two UVU emergency medical services personnel. Both were EMT technicians, trained to provide pre-hospital emergency medical care before patients reach a hospital. EMTs may deliver non-invasive life-saving interventions and help stabilize patients during emergencies.

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Yes, elsewhere where they talk about the forms and they checked off no.

• 1:39:34Speaker 00

  It is important to note that the EMTs could not transport patients, including Charlie Kirk, to the hospital. No ambulance was staged on site for the September 10th.

• 1:39:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it tells you elsewhere why there was no ambulance. And it was basically like, once you book the event, then there's a form that they send you. And the person who was the student chapter head-

• 1:39:53Speaker 00

  Didn't get it done?

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  He, no, he did, but they said no. So it's like you, why would, why are you telling the public like you're some victim and of what UVU did when you guys were the authors of it? And they also controlled ticketing. So UVU, when they say, oh, it was understaffed, they never, when the police officer on September 3rd asked them how many people are coming, they never told them numbers.

• 1:40:16Speaker 00

  But they knew how many.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  They were the only one, they were, headquarters was in control.

• 1:40:20Speaker 00

  But you said UVU was in charge of ticketing.

• 1:40:22Speaker 01

  No, they weren't.

• 1:40:23Speaker 00

  Oh, they weren't?

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  Turning Point USA requested to being, they did not want to use the university's ticketing system. I mean, it's a damning report. You have to read it. It's crazy. And it really shows you how manipulative they've been over the last year in their communications to the media, saying that they want answers. Why would they not? Give me one reason they would not participate in this. Like, in the beginning, it lists everyone that participated, from the feds to the local police to the EMS. I mean, these people are giving their text messages, their emails, allowing them to investigate for an entire year. What went wrong? There is no reason, in my mind, that they would not participate in this unless they knew that their hands weren't clean. And I saw one person trying to say, well, it's because there's a pending suit. This is not about Tyler Robinson.

• 1:41:03Speaker 01

  This is about the lead up to the event and what safety measures were taken and what went wrong and why ambulance was not on standby. This has nothing to do with them going into the forensics of Charlie Kirk being shot or what happened.

• 1:41:16Speaker 00

  TPUSA preferred to hold the event in the fountain courtyard and use its own ticketing system rather than the university system.

• 1:41:23Speaker 01

  And then they blamed them for not having enough security.

• 1:41:25Speaker 00

  Those decisions placed the event in an area that was more difficult to control and limited UVU's availability to obtain reliable, real-time information regarding anticipated attendance and crowd size. UVU should have retained decision-making authority over key security-related issues, including venue selection, ticketing, access control, and other conditions necessary to support campus safety. It's unfortunate, too, mostly for this university, because this is probably a university that's just trying to, you know, just trying to grow itself and, you know, keep it together. It's a place that obviously a lot of people come to that wanted to hear a speaker and be a part of something.

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they were told there was going to be 600 people. Turning Point never updated the numbers, and then there's 3,000. They wouldn't give them access to the tickets, and the police officer was asking these questions on September 3rd. And Dan Flood said he didn't know how many people were going to go be there, and that Turning Point headquarters controlled it.

• 1:42:14Speaker 00

  Who's another good source outside of yourself to talk, to discuss, like, go through a lot of this stuff with, do you think?

• 1:42:20Speaker 01

  You mean, like, just independent investigators or people? I feel like the only sources are people that are investigating this independently, because it feels like we've just been, the Department of War has been protecting this narrative and lying to everybody. And the journalists have been so dishonest in everything. But I really love the work of, appreciate the work of Baron Coleman, and he's done fantastic work looking into different areas of the case. There are so many YouTubers that have just done fantastic work. I mean, from being on the ground, you know, pulling the warrants, seeing what happened that day. And it's crazy that we would expect for Charlie's wife, who is at the helm of this massive organization, that she would dedicate an entire department to doing this.

• 1:43:05Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:43:06Speaker 01

  And nothing. Wanted to accept the narrative 10 days later, was back in the office, and everyone needs to move on. In fact, explicitly, their team members, which I haven't shown, the...

• 1:43:18Speaker 00

  So TPUSA doesn't have their own private investigation going on?

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  No, they accept the narrative fully.

• 1:43:23Speaker 00

  Do you think Tyler Robinson did it?

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  I do not believe Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. Do I believe that he was a part of some broader thing that was going on that day? Was he around the campus? Yes. Could he potentially be guilty of, you know, the charge of hiding clothes, which people said that he was at the Dairy Queen doing that? Absolutely, concealing evidence and things of that nature. Absolutely do not. He's not the person on the rooftop. Nobody shot Charlie from the rooftop of Lozey, is where I'm at. And so I look into alternative theories of whether or not Charlie was hit closer by, whether or not it was on him, and something explosive went off. That makes more sense to me, based on the injuries that Charlie has and the impossibility,

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  and how quickly they tried to hide the footage behind Charlie's head, which would have shown the public that the bullet didn't go through.

• 1:44:16Speaker 00

  Well, so bizarre that immediately they went and took those cameras, took the cards out of those cameras.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and specifically the one behind his head, and that's why. Because I believe they were going to tell the public that the bullet went through, because they were going to go 30 odd six narrative. And then along came Candace, and I'm the one that revealed that it didn't. And that's why they have so much animosity toward me, because from that point on, they couldn't control the narrative, because you were asking people to believe the impossible. You're like, pigs fly, that's it. And they can't prove that. So I, to them, represent the complete unraveling of the narrative that would have been fine, and people would have believed that the bullet went through. And now they have to say that bullets do weird things, and that necks do weird things, and...

• 1:44:59Speaker 00

  Right, and people are saying, yeah, bullets do crazy stuff. They'll stop by their girl's house on the way to wherever they're going. You're like, what the fuck? Like, what is even happening?

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  What are you talking about? Like, is this, this is a 30 odd six for 100 for the yards? Like, it's not going to, it's into a neck of all places. Like, maybe you could get there if he got shot in the sternum, or like, you know, a neck? Come on, man.

• 1:45:19Speaker 00

  I want to read this theory. This is the one that, to me, that stood out the most. The exploding microphone theory is an unfounded conspiracy claim suggesting that conservative activist Charlie Kirk was killed by an explosive device attached to his microphone rather than by a gunshot.

• 1:45:33Speaker 01

  If you looked at where, what there's more evidence of, is that something was on Charlie and hit him. And he was hunched over and hit him right in the neck, and it actually created a shallow wound. But it hit, his artery obviously exploded. We then presented the evidence, which was never supposed to be seen, of what the car looked like. And you see just what looks like black shards all over. And so that's...

• 1:45:55Speaker 00

  So you're saying that, yeah, can you get me this, Trevon? Okay, thank you so much. It should be just a simple, like, it's a RODE, R-O-D-E, exploding microphone theory?

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  Again, going back to our point about Google, like, this shouldn't be hard. It's a pretty big theory that's out there, but they're just like, this is not true. This did not happen. That is the reason why they put that AI overview, because that's the state's narrative.

• 1:46:15Speaker 00

  Do you think that this could be the reason, not Charlie Kirk specifically, but just overall, right? That that's why AI is so important so fast right now? Because they need to be able to have a complete control over the information. It's a deleting of all old information, anything that's not written in a book, anything that's not entered into AIs won't even be able to be usable or searchable anymore. So imagine they're kind of doing what was done, like, in Cuba, like...

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  They'll just delete a file.

• 1:46:42Speaker 00

  Right. Once it's out, it's gone forever. So they're kind of like, and then that kind of locks you in to this whole new space of information. And once you start to believe what you're only able to search for, then that's where you'll be stuck forever. Like, once they can delete the past, and all you have is this fictional narrative of, like, of this current or semi-past, we're going to be, like, that's what they did in...

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  A never-ending present.

• 1:47:04Speaker 00

  That's what they did in Cuba. They got rid of all the books in the 40s.

• 1:47:07Speaker 01

  That's what they're doing in Gaza.

• 1:47:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're getting, yeah, they're just getting...

• 1:47:11Speaker 01

  That's what we're doing in the Middle East, just destroying ancient, ancient...

• 1:47:14Speaker 00

  Dang!

• 1:47:15Speaker 01

  This is getting rid of history. They want a world where they can control, and we're going to live in an ever-present. That's, yeah, that's, it's dystopian, but that's where, that's what they want. But I think it's now being stopped, because people are aware of it and having the conversation of what's going on right now. Why don't I recognize Google? Like, you used to just be able to Google that, and then the first thing that would have popped up would have been John Bray's video describing the theory, because that's the thing people have watched the most. And people, this is a big theory, so that should be, if algorithms are fair, at the top. Instead, they give you the AI model, which scrapes the mainstream media, which is controlled by the state apparatus, and they give you, this is a debunk, Brigitte Mc, this is a debunk, everything's debunked, yeah.

• 1:47:54Speaker 00

  Ain't no wiener here.

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  Exactly. Everything's debunked, and so you're just getting the Department of War's narrative. And so you have to know how to research. And this is why they're trying to get a handle on podcasting, because it's disrupted the state media. And, you know, I guess you could say the monopoly the state media had on ideas. And it's because what they're saying doesn't make sense. I mean, how many times? And in part, by the way, the reason why we got here was because they overplayed their hand during COVID. So people don't trust the mainstream media.

• 1:48:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:48:25Speaker 01

  You don't get to do that twice. You don't get to now then do COVID and then try to Charlie, like, Charlie Kirk us, too. Like, you don't go COVID to Charlie and then be like, start repeating the social distancing, save lives, you know? Save, wear a mask, save lives. And they're like, 30 odd six can do strange things, and it's like, 30 odd, not working this time.

• 1:48:44Speaker 00

  Some of the bullets will do backflips now. It's like these new, like, kind of like Jamaican bullets, and they'll backflip on the way to the destination.

• 1:48:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:51Speaker 00

  And you're like, what? It's a fucking bullet? They're like, no, it's a new Jamaican bullet, man. It fucking pulls, it'll gamble on the way to the destination.

• 1:49:00Speaker 01

  And then also, common sense with Tyler Robinson's stuff is like, people generally don't do nothing and then do murder and jump off of building. First off, jumping off of a building, it takes some guts. Just try what it takes to jump, like, the first time, just go without looking down, seeing if you can...

• 1:49:18Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. If I even get on the third step of my stepstool, I get a little bit nervous.

• 1:49:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:49:22Speaker 00

  Pull it up, see how far that jump was, but leave this up. I want to read this RODE, this RODE theory real quick. Do you have that RODE, Mike, theory? It alleges that the wireless microphone transmitter on his shirt, often identified online as a Rode Wireless Pro, contained a small explosive or shaped charge, rather than Kirk being killed by a rifle shot.

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:49:40Speaker 00

  And to be clear, I'm not saying Rode did this, someone tampered with their mic. And wasn't there, wasn't there a connection to Tennessee because they had allegedly?

• 1:49:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I have never covered that, because there was this sort of mysterious explosion of an AES plant, which did manufacture the, like, yeah, Accurate Energetic Systems was the name of it.

• 1:50:02Speaker 00

  The online theory of this Tennessee manufacturer connection is, says that if Charlie Kirk's apparent Rode Wireless Pro unit had been weaponized, the explosive component could have originated from AES, because AES makes specialized energetic products. AES is Acute Energetic Systems, which is based in Bucksnort, Humphreys County, Tennessee. The more elaborate version specifically claimed AES had a contract involving miniaturized anti-personnel.

• 1:50:30Speaker 01

  And they did, there was, there was a contract that was shown to make a small explosive. And so people have covered that, and then this, it just exploded, the whole thing, what was it, October 10th?

• 1:50:40Speaker 00

  Right, and then that whole facility, where some people allege that the, the microphone that was, that, or the-

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Rigged micro, make, the rigged microphone.

• 1:50:49Speaker 00

  The rigged microphone was, it then points to a deadly AES facility explosion. So this place, one month after Charlie Kirk was killed, this whole place blew up. As supposed evidence of a cover-up or destruction of records.

• 1:51:01Speaker 01

  Yes, and every, and everyone died. I think there was only two people that survived that were in that particular, I mean, there was multiple.

• 1:51:09Speaker 00

  It's Halloween.

• 1:51:10Speaker 01

  I never covered this, because I, I always wait until there are piece of information where somebody who, I don't know, maybe a family member of somebody who worked there, but they definitely, they contracted with the army. And so it definitely was weird, it was weird, the timing of it was weird. But, a lot of people have looked into this and said, what's going on here? And again, when everyone around the situation is just accepting the narrative immediately 10 days after, with no questions and wanting to move on, that's not, that, obviously the public is gonna sniff that out and go, this is not normal, we have questions, so how do you not have questions?

• 1:51:47Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:51:48Speaker 01

  You know, like, we have questions.

• 1:51:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's the thing, there's nobody to ask our questions anymore.

• 1:51:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm, they're just like, that's it, it's, it's really sad, he's gone forever, we're gonna do this big memorial, and we're gonna be really happy, and we're gonna be dressed up, we're gonna celebrate, and then we're gonna move on, and his wife has the company, if you ask any more questions, you should be in prison, you should be locked up, you should be sued for defamation. That's not going to sit well with the public.

• 1:52:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:09Speaker 01

  And so they've kind of, they've sort of come undone, because people are still asking questions.

• 1:52:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, and, and this says right here, on September 23rd, AES received a $120 million firm fixed price contract from Army Contracting Command, Rock Island, for the procurement of TNT. Some people are saying that some of this order could have had, that, some of that funding would have been part of, that, that funding could have been connected there somehow. The, what, what is, I mean, it's, it's Halloween. I'm Macron's wiener, I'm the ghost of Charlie Kirk. I, what is, oh, here's the guy jumping off this building.

• 1:52:54Speaker 01

  I just feel like if you, if you're not, like, the first time, you just kind of would have some, you'd be a little more concerned, you know, like, am I gonna make this jump? Sort of a thing. Never been to this campus before, you know what I mean, that's a pretty big jump.

• 1:53:09Speaker 00

  It's pretty big. Was he an athletic guy, though?

• 1:53:11Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:53:13Speaker 00

  Huh.

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  Thin guy, fisher.

• 1:53:15Speaker 00

  And was he, was he allegedly a homosexual fella or not?

• 1:53:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:53:20Speaker 00

  A lot of gay dudes can jump pretty far now.

• 1:53:23Speaker 01

  I mean, I did, yes, I'd just say yes to that.

• 1:53:27Speaker 00

  Times are different. You got a damn, bro, you got a damn.

• 1:53:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:53:33Speaker 00

  You have a, yeah, I know, gay dudes jump damn six feet, seven feet.

• 1:53:38Speaker 04

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• 1:53:41Speaker 05

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• 1:53:42Speaker 04

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• 1:53:43Speaker 05

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• 1:53:44Speaker 04

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• 1:54:06Speaker 00

  What, what is the strongest piece of evidence that supports that Tyler Robinson did this? So that everything isn't-

• 1:54:11Speaker 01

  The, the state's strongest piece of evidence is the text, the alleged text messages between him and his lover. And I find that not to be compelling, because his lover's testimony was pre-recorded in a way that they would never allow, you know, that it to play out, like, it's only because there was this basically hearsay clause, I think he just used hearsay, they could not ask him any questions back, you know, the defense couldn't like, question him at all. And so he just recorded his testimony and said, these are the messages where he fully confessed to the crime. That seems suspect to me, I don't care if you're a drug dealer selling like, a gram of pot, you're not gonna fully text a full confession, I did it, here's when, why, how, it was, I mean, totally crazy that you would try to get away with it, but then also text

• 1:54:53Speaker 01

  his full confession, and then Lance, that's who his lover is, or his boyfriend was, is granted immunity for this testimony.

• 1:55:01Speaker 00

  So that means he can say whatever he wants, and he, and he won't be liable by the courts?

• 1:55:05Speaker 01

  Why, why does he, why does he need use immunity?

• 1:55:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, why would you, why, why does that matter? But why could it matter? Look at, let's look at it from the other side, it could matter because, he could need immunity because maybe they would, what, think that-

• 1:55:17Speaker 01

  No, the story is, he just did this randomly, Lance had no idea, so if, if, if he was implicated in some way of like, I gave him the, nope, Lance says he slept through the whole thing. Slept through the whole thing, had no idea he was gonna do it.

• 1:55:29Speaker 00

  Dude, if a, I know this, I have some gay family members and pretty, or semi-gay or whatever, and they, I know this, if my, if, if one guy is out there shooting somebody or something, the other guy is gonna be up and milling around, having a Celsius-

• 1:55:46Speaker 01

  No, he says he slept through everything.

• 1:55:49Speaker 00

  By the window, clutching his chest or whatever, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:55:51Speaker 01

  Even when he found out, when he got these messages, he was just, why did you do it? It's so staged, it's like, every single answer.

• 1:55:56Speaker 00

  It feels so fake, yeah.

• 1:55:57Speaker 01

  And that was also the problem, it's like, it's not like he said one thing, like, hey, need to see you, let's meet up, and then he tells a story that like, when they met up, he told him what he did in person, it's like, people don't believe this, like, who texts every layer of a confession, here's where I did it, here's how I did it, here's what I was wearing, it just feels very set up.

• 1:56:13Speaker 00

  Here's what I was wearing is what a gay dude would text to his buddy, though, like, I was wearing this, or whatever.

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  I, I think he did say in the messages that he changed, or whatever.

• 1:56:20Speaker 00

  Like, never shooting somebody again in this-

• 1:56:22Speaker 01

  I changed outfits, it's like, exactly what the feds were like, hey, we gotta have, these are all the holes, can you just put this in the message, sort of a thing?

• 1:56:27Speaker 00

  Zoom in on it, let me see.

• 1:56:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, give us your motive, you know, it's like, it's like, every single piece of it is right there. Give us your motive, some hate just can't be negotiated.

• 1:56:35Speaker 00

  Uh, shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age, I am sorry to involve you. You want the one who did it, right? You weren't the one who did it, right?

• 1:56:51Speaker 01

  I am, I'm sorry.

• 1:56:53Speaker 00

  I am, I'm sorry. Oh, that's very sense and sensibility, isn't it? Like, I loved him as he loved me, or whatever, you know? That's very, uh, William Bronte, or whatever that guy's name is.

• 1:57:03Speaker 01

  Why run? If you're just gonna test, text a whole confession, why run?

• 1:57:06Speaker 00

  Right, why run? What are you running from? Why are you a Dairy Queen?

• 1:57:09Speaker 01

  You think you weren't gonna get caught, writing an entire novel, describing where you were, how you did it, what you were wearing, how you changed the clothes?

• 1:57:15Speaker 00

  I'll never shoot someone again in a Givenchy jacket or whatever.

• 1:57:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's cra, even down to the outfit, he's discussing it. And so when people saw the messages-

• 1:57:23Speaker 00

  These sandals do not go with murder, I'll tell you that, Frank.

• 1:57:27Speaker 01

  I'm waiting just around the corner, trying to grab my rifle.

• 1:57:30Speaker 00

  Is that what he says? No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, I'm inter, then interrogated in someone's similar clothing, I had planned to grab my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down, he's not writing all this, the drop point-

• 1:57:43Speaker 01

  I mean, just common sense.

• 1:57:45Speaker 00

  The drop point to most gay dudes is a place to buy a little bag, maybe and some poppers, so you and your buddy can get wicked, or whatever.

• 1:57:52Speaker 01

  It sounds like a cop is writing them, it's like, okay, what do we need now? Motive? What do we need, drop point? Or what do we need, like, so we just see all coverage, so the, the public can not ask any questions. Why'd you do it? Who, what, when, where, why, how?

• 1:58:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:04Speaker 01

  And then he just writes it, writes it all, and so, these messages didn't register as real, this is their, this is the state's strongest piece of evidence that he did it.

• 1:58:12Speaker 00

  And then his buddy, first of all, I'll say this, his boyfriend doesn't really give a fuck, like, he's over here ranting-

• 1:58:17Speaker 01

  That's the other thing, I just told you that I killed someone, and you're not gonna be like-

• 1:58:20Speaker 00

  Right, his buddy's like, who else knows, or whatever, stay safe, he says.

• 1:58:23Speaker 01

  I wouldn't even answer, because I wouldn't wanna be implicated, first off.

• 1:58:26Speaker 00

  First of all-

• 1:58:27Speaker 01

  I'm not answering.

• 1:58:28Speaker 00

  You're right.

• 1:58:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:30Speaker 00

  Even if my best friend texts me, I just murdered somebody, I would be like-

• 1:58:32Speaker 01

  Phone off?

• 1:58:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:34Speaker 01

  Didn't receive it?

• 1:58:36Speaker 00

  I'd be like, oh, fuck, hold on a second, I got another call, or something like that.

• 1:58:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:40Speaker 00

  I would do something-

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  I'm not even texting back.

• 1:58:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  Cause I'm just like, not texting back.

• 1:58:45Speaker 00

  I would do this one.

• 1:58:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:58:48Speaker 00

  And that is it, maybe two of those.

• 1:58:50Speaker 01

  There's no way I'm texting back, common sense to me says, I'm, don't know what this, but, I'm going to find another friend to talk about it, he texts me, this is crazy, like, I'm not-

• 1:58:58Speaker 00

  I'm not being like, stay safe, or I love you morsies, moi, moi, moi.

• 1:59:02Speaker 01

  Moi, moi, moi.

• 1:59:03Speaker 00

  Okay, that is, what are we talking about?

• 1:59:06Speaker 01

  Moi, moi, moi. What?

• 1:59:08Speaker 00

  Moi, moi, moi.

• 1:59:10Speaker 01

  Drop what you're doing, look under the keyboard, and they said he handwrote a confession, but then he burned it, or somebody burned it.

• 1:59:16Speaker 00

  Drop what you were doing, look under my keyboard, or whatever. And that's, could be a euphemism, too.

• 1:59:20Speaker 01

  And then it's a full letter that he allegedly wrote, and said, I, I did this, but then he burned it, but then, also then wrote it in a text, so why write the letter? I mean, the whole thing just doesn't make any sense.

• 1:59:29Speaker 00

  Right. Why did, have you had Lance on the boyfriend?

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  Lance is protected by the feds immediately, had federal protection, witness protection.

• 1:59:37Speaker 00

  But does it, you can't find him, do you think?

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  You, no, I mean, people know where he is, they know that, he's in Texas, but he's just, he's, I think he's the person who was much more involved in this.

• 1:59:47Speaker 00

  Oh, you think so? You, so you think Lance got to Tyler early, and somehow even was able to help him get in a position to be set up to where he is?

• 1:59:54Speaker 01

  Yes, cause he would have access to all this stuff, they're roommates, so you could get his stuff, drop it wherever, you know, give it to the feds.

• 1:59:59Speaker 00

  Is there a picture of Lance anywhere?

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:01Speaker 00

  Dude, that's crazy, Candace, what if that's it?

• 2:00:04Speaker 01

  I do, that's my sense, is that Lance is, and I think generally-

• 2:00:07Speaker 00

  Lance is CIA.

• 2:00:08Speaker 01

  He's much more involved, I think he's blackmailed, he was, you know, troubled kid, he's kind of the personality you're looking for, like, troubled kid, and like, into the furry community, which is like, you create an avatar of yourself, so there's some dissociative-

• 2:00:23Speaker 00

  So we don't even know who he really is.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  Some dissociative personality, definitely got in a lot of trouble, was passed around from his family members, volatile, you know, was addicted to drugs, was into weird internet stuff, like, he's, if I'm CSI, this is the person, the profile of the individual that we'd be looking for, and, you know, there's a whole internal blackmail system, so if you're on, doing weird stuff on the internet-

• 2:00:44Speaker 00

  That's him?

• 2:00:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:00:46Speaker 00

  That's Lance?

• 2:00:47Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00:48Speaker 00

  I mean- What is even fucking going on?

• 2:00:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00:52Speaker 00

  And what is he wearing that car? It's like a

• 2:00:54Speaker 01

  Furry?

• 2:00:55Speaker 00

  That's a furry thing?

• 2:00:56Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00:56Speaker 00

  Oh, they just said he's been ever been on airplanes a lot. This is unbelievable, dude.

• 2:01:02Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01:02Speaker 00

  What is, can we get any other pictures in? Do we even know his last name?

• 2:01:06Speaker 01

  That's him in the court hearing, like the pre-recorded testimony, which they, the, the defense wasn't allowed to ask many questions because it was a preliminary hearing, so.

• 2:01:14Speaker 00

  This looks like a show.

• 2:01:15Speaker 01

  It feels like a, a show.

• 2:01:18Speaker 00

  What are the side effects of, oh, the Lance Twigs? So that's him too? And now he's out, now he's on Survivor?

• 2:01:25Speaker 01

  No. What? Yeah, I think that's just an old picture of him.

• 2:01:30Speaker 00

  Which survi- which team was he on?

• 2:01:34Speaker 00

  Shooter's Twink or whatever?

• 2:01:38Speaker 00

  Was he Team Shooter's Twink? What is even fucking happening, dude?

• 2:01:41Speaker 01

  It's weird. It's all very weird. So.

• 2:01:45Speaker 00

  It's Halloween.

• 2:01:45Speaker 01

  So it's all just the tech Candace for not accepting, you know, ruining the narrative, I guess, is what it's supposed, I'm, I ruined the narrative.

• 2:01:53Speaker 00

  So by like, by sharing, like, bringing this narrative to light, right? That like, people think that something else happened. I do believe that people think something else happened, right? Cause it seems so, usually if there's a shooter of somebody that's a big thing, the court case is a huge thing where you're seeing all of it and you're like, they're like, trying to get like, information from the guy and everything, and it doesn't, none of that's even happening.

• 2:02:15Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 2:02:16Speaker 00

  It's almost like it's just disappeared completely.

• 2:02:18Speaker 01

  Well, it's, the actual hearing has to, now has to start, so they had the preliminary hearing, which basically is just probative, and they say, well, we have enough evidence to move it forward. And so now the trial of Tyler Robinson will begin, and so.

• 2:02:31Speaker 00

  Will you be able to go to the trial?

• 2:02:32Speaker 01

  I'm not going there. I'm not, there's no chance I'm going to Utah. I will follow it. I will watch it live. I will do what I do, take notes, like I did with the preliminary hearing.

• 2:02:42Speaker 00

  You'd look nice in there.

• 2:02:43Speaker 01

  Uh, I think there's some weird stuff.

• 2:02:45Speaker 00

  You think it's dark arts?

• 2:02:46Speaker 01

  Happening in Utah.

• 2:02:48Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, dude. I'll tell you there is, cause I was, took an electric bike. My brother lives there, and I e-biked about two miles from his house and saw some stuff. But, um, what, what's like the two-minute version of like, what do you think happened to Charlie Kirk?

• 2:03:00Speaker 01

  I think Charlie was taken out by the deep state, and it was because of his shifting views on Israel.

• 2:03:04Speaker 00

  You do?

• 2:03:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's my opinion.

• 2:03:06Speaker 00

  And do you think his, like, Turning Point USA people knew that?

• 2:03:10Speaker 01

  I, I think it's hard, given everything that we now know a year on, and the way, like, again, their lack of engagement, and also blatant lies, like Brian Harple told, it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where no one in that organization knew. Or peripheral to the organization knew. It's, I, it's hard for me to imagine that.

• 2:03:33Speaker 00

  You'd have to have an insider, kind of.

• 2:03:34Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 2:03:37Speaker 01

  Because otherwise, why not be instantly forthcoming? I mean, again, I'm speaking to common, to common sense here, but, yeah, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to hide. So when people, if you said Candace, what were you doing on September 10th? Here's my whole phone. I was, I was sitting at the table with the team. We were working on the show. Savannah came downstairs and told us that Charlie had been shot. And then we stopped every, you know, so I can't imagine a scenario where they try to go, well, because the hearings, you know, the hearings going on, that's why, and people can't be forthcoming. What would the truth, how could that impact the hearing negatively? Either this person did or he didn't, right? So if you have Candace Owens's text messages from that day at that time, and I say, well, I'm not giving them to you because it could, you know,

• 2:04:22Speaker 01

  potentially put the case at risk, that doesn't make any sense.

• 2:04:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:25Speaker 01

  It doesn't make any sense. How could it put it at risk? It's gonna introduce a fact that means that Tyler Robinson's innocent? So, for me, it, I, everything that he was going through, the way they even lied about that, um, the Israel shift, and you, I just feel like people only lie when they have something to hide. I do not think everybody, um, around him has their hands clean. And I think, again, that's largely, I've been vindicated on that opinion with just the UVU Independent Review. Brian Harple, what's up, man?

• 2:04:59Speaker 00

  Why did he lie, do you think? If he lied?

• 2:05:02Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:05:04Speaker 01

  Why is he suing me?

• 2:05:05Speaker 00

  Is he suing you?

• 2:05:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:07Speaker 00

  And he's saying that you fabric, that, just that?

• 2:05:10Speaker 01

  There, I mean, there's a bunch of claims, but among it, he, he stated that I, I said that I found his interview with Sean Ryan to be unconvincing, and that he lied. Well, now you have a whole independent review that says you lied. You have the UVU Police Chief that says you lied, that you misrepresented the text message, that you weren't even involved in the text message that you presented. So you, what are we supposed to think? He got confused?

• 2:05:33Speaker 00

  I wonder why he would, if he did that, why would he do that, I wonder?

• 2:05:36Speaker 01

  Why would you go on Sean Ryan, one of the biggest podcasts in the world, and, and think that you're not eventually gonna get exposed for misrepresenting things?

• 2:05:43Speaker 00

  Did Sean think that he lied? He seemed like, or did Sean think he seemed like a believable guy?

• 2:05:47Speaker 01

  I think Sean just thought, this is a big case, that he wants to talk about it, and he just sat there and let him talk, and I'm glad he did. I'm glad he did, because.

• 2:05:58Speaker 00

  But it seems wild. If you didn't wanna, so why even go say anything?

• 2:06:01Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:06:02Speaker 00

  You know what I'm saying? Like, if you don't believe what you're saying, but maybe UVU's report is wrong. Do you think it could be?

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  I think there's some, no, I don't think that report could be wrong. Because they, they, again, it was an investigation. So they described in the beginning what they did, how many hours went into this, sitting down, interviewing, reviewing the messages.

• 2:06:19Speaker 00

  Who was the outside group that did it?

• 2:06:20Speaker 01

  Lake Forest Group.

• 2:06:22Speaker 00

  We gotta get you out of here soon. Um, Lake Forest Group?

• 2:06:25Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Illinois.

• 2:06:29Speaker 00

  Lake Forest Group Law Firm, Brown, Steen, Hyatt, Farber, and Shrek. Old donkey.

• 2:06:39Speaker 00

  Uh, conducted by a consortium of independent experts, including the Lake Forest Group, and then that law firm as well. Who owns Lake Forest Group, I wonder? Just curious to see who they are.

• 2:06:50Speaker 01

  I think it's like Bain Capital, actually, or something.

• 2:06:52Speaker 00

  Bain.

• 2:06:53Speaker 01

  Not totally positive, though.

• 2:06:54Speaker 00

  I mean, everything fucking Bain Capital is doing the Charlie Kirk, it's all this crazy thing. Michael Verden, Verden. You never know. I mean, it's, uh, it's all interesting. Oh, 21 years as a US Secret Special Service Agent. Wonder if he'd be an interesting guest to talk about that stuff with? Hmm.

• 2:07:15Speaker 01

  So it's, yeah, and so like, again, why wouldn't they participate in this review? These are the questions that people have.

• 2:07:21Speaker 00

  Why wouldn't Turning Point USA?

• 2:07:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:23Speaker 01

  You have nothing to hide, just be like, look, and I would have instantly gotten in front of it and been, here's some things that we did wrong. There's a level of arrogance at the organization too, that I think is making people sick.

• 2:07:32Speaker 00

  Do you think that they're happy that Charlie's out of, like, that's a crazy question to say. Well, do you?

• 2:07:37Speaker 01

  Do they look happy at the memorial? Yeah.

• 2:07:41Speaker 00

  It's kinda crazy.

• 2:07:41Speaker 01

  Fair.

• 2:07:42Speaker 00

  Some of these are fair, some of what they've done has been kinda crazy, you would say?

• 2:07:46Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 2:07:47Speaker 00

  I mean, they, they look happy in some of these instances.

• 2:07:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. They seem mad now. Because I feel like the public has turned on them, but like, right after the assassination, they were very bizarrely happy.

• 2:07:59Speaker 00

  But do, do they still have a huge following? I was confu- like, how big's the following that it's like?

• 2:08:04Speaker 01

  No, it's collapsed.

• 2:08:05Speaker 00

  Oh, it has?

• 2:08:06Speaker 01

  Because people.

• 2:08:08Speaker 00

  Are curious what's going on. It seems odd.

• 2:08:10Speaker 01

  People know when something's not authentic, and I think they are blaming me for that, and it's like, no, guys, we asked you really basic questions. The whole world was on your side, myself included. No one could have imagined a scenario where this organization would collapse within a year.

• 2:08:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:08:25Speaker 01

  And it's because of their own arrogance, and now they're, they, they think that they, you know, we're friends with Cash Patel, we're friends with Harmeet Dylan and the president, and that should be enough. You know, we got, we're with the president now. It's obviously not enough. You need to be forthcoming with information. You need to be, um, how about exercising some humility? Saying what you did wrong off the bat would have gone a long way, and.

• 2:08:48Speaker 00

  They're not even speaking about it at all.

• 2:08:50Speaker 01

  They don't care. They're just like, we've got power. We are the state now. That's the vibe, right?

• 2:08:55Speaker 00

  From TPUSA?

• 2:08:56Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:08:57Speaker 00

  It's, I, I.

• 2:08:58Speaker 01

  Call my friend Vance if you have a que- you know, like, if you have a question, and then.

• 2:09:03Speaker 00

  JD Vance, you mean?

• 2:09:03Speaker 01

  Shame on you guys for not believing Eric's emotions. Like, we're just kind of getting like, the wagging finger all the time, as opposed to answers that make sense.

• 2:09:15Speaker 00

  Well, you met up with her right after it happened, didn't you?

• 2:09:17Speaker 01

  Not right after, but about four months later.

• 2:09:19Speaker 00

  Sorry.

• 2:09:19Speaker 01

  And that's when I changed my perspect- like, my perspective on talking about her and going after her, just because she was then doing the public rounds, and she was telling lies, like she initially said, or you could say she didn't know, but she said, I have his phone, and he was not worried the night before, and now that story has been debunked, and she hasn't come out to clarify or apologize, exercise some humility. Yeah, you know, actually Candace was right, that the night before he was texting people concerns. That's the arrogance that I think makes people sick, is that you send out all of these bots and people to attack me and to attack my family, uh, you know, to create narrative after narrative about George and Candace, because you don't want to tell the truth, and then the truth comes out, and your response to it is to attack us again for being right.

• 2:10:05Speaker 01

  That's, that's, that's not gonna, it's not boding well for them, but they're not trying anything different, so.

• 2:10:11Speaker 00

  Do you, are they suing you or no?

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  No, it's running point, not yet, I mean.

• 2:10:15Speaker 00

  Are you in any lawsuits against other people?

• 2:10:17Speaker 01

  No, I don't, I, I just tell the truth, I'm not suing anybody.

• 2:10:22Speaker 01

  Lawfare is not like thinking, I'm gonna crush you, I'm gonna bankrupt you. Tell the truth, the truth is enough, man, just Candace said this, okay, actually, here's reality. That should, that should be enough, but when you don't have an answer to the truth, that's the route you go. I'll bankrupt you, I'll destroy you, I have lawyers in high places, I have the president on my side, I can get him to tweet that you're the most vile person of the year. That's the mentality.

• 2:10:48Speaker 00

  It's capital, yeah, it's like, it's kind of just a dark side of somebody having so much capital that could just keep suing you, keep making you go to court things.

• 2:10:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:56Speaker 00

  What, what do you think, so like with Charlie Kirk and specifically, there's so much information around it, you've done so much research.

• 2:11:05Speaker 00

  Is, does any of it, is there any way that the research helps affect anything in the actual case? Or do you think this is just for public knowledge, kind of?

• 2:11:17Speaker 01

  I think for sure. Some of the things that we've brought forward, that call into question the timeline.

• 2:11:23Speaker 01

  Was he in panguiche?

• 2:11:24Speaker 00

  But like, will his defense attorneys use any of this stuff?

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  Now, they have to start looking at all that stuff, so that, before, it was too early for them to use it, because this is the prosecution.

• 2:11:33Speaker 00

  Oh, got it.

• 2:11:33Speaker 01

  And they're basically saying to the court systems, we have enough probative evidence that this case should move forward. And you can do that with just hearsay. Now, you're moving to the trial, so their initial job of the defense is to just get as many charges dropped, and you're basically just saying to the court at that time, the state should drop this because of existing laws on the books, you know, they didn't fulfill this, didn't fulfill that, they did this wrongly, whatever. They're not making an argument, they're not actually defending Tyler Robinson, yet. Now, that the state said, no, there's enough evidence to at least move it forward, now they have to go out, do the research, and issue a defense of Tyler Robinson. And I would strongly suspect that a lot of the things that we have presented and discovered

• 2:12:15Speaker 01

  will be used or come out naturally, of course, in the course of things, it will, that's their job, I mean, if you're a good defense attorney, your job isn't to just like follow people's ideas, I mean, I don't know if they're gonna explore alternative theories, but they're definitely gonna have to get into the timeline where he actually was, if there were other people that were involved, other people that could have been, is this Tyler Robinson on camera, or is this somebody else? Right? So, we'll see a lot of that.

• 2:12:47Speaker 00

  Well, it's a weird place. Existence.

• 2:12:52Speaker 00

  Real quick before you go, Peter Thiel's speaking in town, you know this, did you hear about this?

• 2:12:57Speaker 01

  Yes, he's been doing some weird stuff.

• 2:12:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, what about the Antichrist, did you think about, because there's, part of me was like, let me go see what this is, just to even see what's going on, but then I was like, I don't know if I even want to be around that energy. Part of me also was like, let me see if he would podcast, just to talk, like say, hey, everybody thinks you're like the scariest guy, or like, or I don't know, it's like, do you, if you think somebody is like devious, do you talk to them to ask them what's going on? Like, what is your school of thought on that?

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you should just ask him if he's the Antichrist.

• 2:13:30Speaker 00

  Peter Thiel draws hundreds downtown for Antichrist lectures.

• 2:13:33Speaker 01

  This has been, he's been on this for years, just so you know.

• 2:13:36Speaker 00

  Hundreds?

• 2:13:37Speaker 01

  Going across the world.

• 2:13:40Speaker 00

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  Yes, he's obsessed with the Antichrist.

• 2:13:44Speaker 00

  A big part of why I'm doing this series is because I believe it is dangerous to focus on just one risk. There's one existential risk that nobody seems to want to discuss, which I would like to add to the list if we're gonna enumerate existential risks, and that is the risk of a totalitarian, one world government. But why are you saying you're helping us talk about the risks, if it seems like some of the stuff he's allegedly attached to would be the ones, would be the stuff leading us towards that?

• 2:14:08Speaker 01

  That's the point, there's a conflict of interest here, and that would be a great reason why you should interview him and ask him.

• 2:14:16Speaker 00

  And even then, Thiel's host on the Sonic Lodge opened the evening by distancing itself from the content of its talks.

• 2:14:21Speaker 01

  It's like, it's just a lot happening, I saw it and I was going, what on earth? Again, we're at that inflection point. We just are just, what's, it's too much.

• 2:14:32Speaker 00

  Well, and look what it says here, Hunt described Nashville, Davis Hunt, a conservative activist, described Nashville as one of the last remaining regions in the Western world with authentic Christian beliefs where it still thrives.

• 2:14:46Speaker 00

  When's that baby, when's that baby popping?

• 2:14:48Speaker 01

  Hopefully, today.

• 2:14:49Speaker 00

  You're lying.

• 2:14:50Speaker 01

  I don't know, the baby, you don't get to like, the baby doesn't tell you.

• 2:14:54Speaker 00

  Shorty cook, man. You gotta get shorty to cook fast, get in one of those red light therapy things.

• 2:15:00Speaker 01

  You think that'll make the baby come out?

• 2:15:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, are you kidding?

• 2:15:03Speaker 01

  No, have you had a baby using red light therapy?

• 2:15:05Speaker 00

  No, but imagine, that thing, dude, that thing's gonna have nice skin for 2,000 years.

• 2:15:10Speaker 01

  Do you use it?

• 2:15:10Speaker 00

  I don't use it, but I'm thinking about getting one.

• 2:15:12Speaker 01

  Okay, I don't have one, I've never done the red light thing, I know that's like taking off, but.

• 2:15:16Speaker 00

  But you already, you guys are.

• 2:15:17Speaker 01

  Are you talking about like, wait, which red light, you're talking about when people just put on their face? Or are you talking about the full thing?

• 2:15:22Speaker 00

  They have a whole bed, they have, they do have the face one.

• 2:15:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've never done the bed one, I thought that's what you were talking about.

• 2:15:26Speaker 00

  The bed one seems kind of cool, I mean, or yeah, or even just one of them, a lot of people are just like putting it, there's even leggings now that allegedly have it, there's like all kind of bullshit, I mean, look at this lady.

• 2:15:34Speaker 01

  Again, what pocket of the internet, leggings, red light therapy?

• 2:15:38Speaker 00

  Those red light leggings or whatever?

• 2:15:39Speaker 01

  Never heard of it.

• 2:15:41Speaker 00

  It's supposed to keep your knees from sagging or whatever, I'm like, who the fuck's knees are sagging, and who gives a shit? Just sit down. If you bend your leg, your knee doesn't sag. But yeah, people are just bonkers, but yeah, I just didn't know, are y'all using any, like, does George massage your stomach at night, are you guys doing anything to try to get the baby out, like, is there any like?

• 2:16:00Speaker 01

  Nah, they just come whenever they're ready, you know? It's something you can really, it's like, it's ready or it's not, it's like putting a chicken in the oven, it's either cooked or it's not.

• 2:16:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:16:09Speaker 01

  It's gotta get cooked.

• 2:16:10Speaker 00

  Do you feel?

• 2:16:11Speaker 01

  And I have, I feel like I have an oven that runs a little cold. Some, some women always have kids like 36 weeks, I'm like, man, your oven runs hot, so lucky. Mine's like, a little bit, like right on time, or like, a little cold, and I'm just not okay with that right now. So I'm hoping that, I'm doing whatever, what I'm doing is I'm doing your podcast. And then I'm gonna go do Tim Dillon's podcast. And I'll be expecting results.

• 2:16:36Speaker 00

  Tim Dillon is the, there's nobody like, right, there's nobody more entertaining than him right now.

• 2:16:41Speaker 01

  He's so funny, he's just so funny, he gets away with it.

• 2:16:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's just exceptional.

• 2:16:47Speaker 01

  He really is.

• 2:16:47Speaker 00

  And he does it, he just, he kind of does it all perfectly.

• 2:16:52Speaker 00

  Will this be your last baby, you don't know?

• 2:16:54Speaker 01

  I don't know, I'm Catholic, I say it's the last baby, but you know.

• 2:16:57Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 2:16:58Speaker 01

  Catholics are crazy. And they're cute, that's what's weird. Right, I feel like if you just had some kids that were like not adorable and funny, then you'd be like, okay, let's just.

• 2:17:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's not, what's in it for me?

• 2:17:13Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 2:17:15Speaker 00

  Any, any unique experiences while you've been pregnant?

• 2:17:18Speaker 01

  You get weird dreams, you get pregnancy dreams, and they are on point, like, you get like visions when you're pregnant.

• 2:17:24Speaker 00

  I like that.

• 2:17:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, women will tell you, my sister's pregnant, she says she had a dream about something, I'm like, uh-oh, hopefully it's a good one, bad one, you definitely dream a lot more, and that's because there's obviously some association between dreaming and hormones and whatever, but that, that is interesting, you start to, like, I'm at the point now where I can almost see the future, you know? Get some weird dreams. I had a weird dream last night, I can't remember what it was, it'll come to me, it was a very strange dream.

• 2:17:52Speaker 00

  Can you smell anything? I used to know this lady, because when she was pregnant, she could smell copper, she smelled copper real strong.

• 2:17:57Speaker 01

  A lot of women have like super strength, no, unfortunately for me, that doesn't, never happens, but you will get a whiff of something and be super nauseous, that's for sure. But, yeah.

• 2:18:08Speaker 00

  Can you sleep fully, do you have to sleep on your stomach?

• 2:18:10Speaker 01

  No, that's exactly what you shouldn't do. That's exactly what you shouldn't do, it's the exact opposite of what you get to. No. You can't, because you, can you sleep on a ball?

• 2:18:21Speaker 00

  Nope.

• 2:18:23Speaker 01

  Can you sleep on a basketball, Theo?

• 2:18:25Speaker 00

  No, I don't know, but I don't know what you guys are doing, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to think of what gets it to come out fast.

• 2:18:29Speaker 01

  Think about how you would look if you slept, like.

• 2:18:33Speaker 00

  You're just like a Bozu ball of a person, but I'll tell you, that thing will be out in a half hour.

• 2:18:38Speaker 01

  It'll be out, I'll tell you that for free, it'll be out, exactly.

• 2:18:40Speaker 00

  Is there any smell of something, like, can you smell a certain thing that would help, like, I'm just wondering if there's like some old wives tales, have you looked at some of that, probably?

• 2:18:48Speaker 01

  Of what?

• 2:18:48Speaker 00

  Of like how to get that.

• 2:18:49Speaker 01

  Oh, you can induce labor with castor oil.

• 2:18:51Speaker 00

  Oh, you can?

• 2:18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did it for Louise.

• 2:18:53Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:18:54Speaker 01

  I evicted her, she was sleeping the whole time, she wasn't there for one appointment, and she was, it was Tennessee, July, she was overdue by a week, I said goodbye, girl.

• 2:19:03Speaker 00

  Bye.

• 2:19:03Speaker 01

  No, I walked outside one day, and it was like, the heat was violent, you know how it gets down here?

• 2:19:08Speaker 00

  And what, do you just rub it on your belly?

• 2:19:10Speaker 01

  No, you just take it, so I took, I took more than they even, they suggested one tablespoon, I think I did a fourth a cup. She flew out, it was my best birth.

• 2:19:20Speaker 00

  Oh, I like that.

• 2:19:21Speaker 01

  Fantastic, I told my doctor I was doing it, I was like, because he knows I'm like crunchy in those ways, and so I don't, like, don't do it, come take our medicine, our pitocin, we'll do it, like, no, best birth, one push, out, slip and slide, castor oil.

• 2:19:35Speaker 00

  God, I love that.

• 2:19:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was out, so, she just got evicted, I told her, I'm like, I promised with her, I would still be pregnant today. That's how she gets down, so, she was the only kid that got evicted.

• 2:19:48Speaker 00

  Happy early Halloween.

• 2:19:49Speaker 01

  Thank you, and if anybody does do a Candace costume, please tag us so we can look it up faster.

• 2:19:54Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, that's a good idea.

• 2:19:55Speaker 01

  I don't know what you're gonna do, I feel like I'm so boring, but yeah, I mean, I would be pregnant.

• 2:20:01Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 2:20:02Speaker 01

  I think that's, yeah, be pregnant, be black.

• 2:20:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, do a darkish wig, or see if you could get a hold of some darker skin.

• 2:20:09Speaker 01

  Go on to Farmer's, um, black.

• 2:20:12Speaker 00

  Darkened farming.

• 2:20:13Speaker 01

  Darkened Farmers.

• 2:20:14Speaker 00

  Darking, I think it was dark and farming.

• 2:20:16Speaker 01

  Dark and farming.

• 2:20:17Speaker 00

  Or as mahogany soil goddesses, I think it was another one, I gotta look it up.

• 2:20:25Speaker 00

  Thanks for hanging out, Candace, I appreciate you.

• 2:20:27Speaker 01

  You are so welcome.

• 2:20:28Speaker 00

  And give a hug to George for me, and I'll see y'all soon.

• 2:20:31Speaker 01

  See you soon.