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Chapters:
00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:10 The New Mercedes-Benz C-Class
00:06:31 The New BMW 7-Series
00:09:02 Ford Mustang Dark Horse SC
00:15:26 Nissan XTerra Pricing Rumor
00:20:25 GM Pauses EV Truck Production
00:25:09 Lamborghini Revuelto SV Spied
00:31:06 Ferrari Luce Pricing
00:39:55 Talk Cars
00:40:02 Doug's Toyota Sequoia TRD PRO
00:45:23 Filippo Is a Saab Guy
00:52:40 Kennan's Boxster Sale
01:00:29 Market Report
01:01:09 Porsche 991s
01:03:45 Aston Martin
01:05:26 Audi RS2
01:06:21 Toyota Corolla XRS
01:09:01 BMW Z3 Colors
01:13:13 Community Questions
01:13:50 What Cars Did Your Partner Hate?
01:16:13 Would Doug Buy The E400 4x4 Squared?
01:19:06 How Would Doug Save Maserati?
01:24:16 What WIll Your Kid's First Cars Be?
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0:00 Speaker 00 Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the HouseMajorityPac.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.
0:34 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.
0:38 Speaker 02 I'm Kenan.
0:38 Speaker 03 I'm Felipe.
0:39 Doug DeMuro? I'm Doug. Let's start with the news. Oh, the big news is the new Mercedes-Benz C-Class, which looks a little droopy in the front.
0:47 Speaker 03 There's only the electric C-Class, by the way.
0:49 Doug DeMuro? This is electric only. They haven't announced a non-electric.
0:52 Speaker 03 The non-electric remains the same as it currently is. That came out recently.
0:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah.
0:57 Speaker 02 And the internet is incensed.
0:58 Speaker 03 OK, it's not the most visually appealing vehicle from the front.
1:03 Doug DeMuro? It looks like a 280 SE 3.5. It's got a low grill.
1:05 Speaker 02 I don't really hate the front. The rear, I know everybody is a little bit more...
1:09 Speaker 03 They were going for 1959 Mercedes-Benz W111.
1:14 Speaker 02 Well...
1:14 Doug DeMuro? That's...
1:15 Speaker 02 That is exactly what it looks like.
1:17 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's the car I was talking about. That W111. If that's what they were going for, they hit it.
1:22 Speaker 02 Look, they nailed it. Look at that thing.
1:24 Doug DeMuro? That's it. Look at that. There's a low grill.
1:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's... Sure.
1:28 Doug DeMuro? You don't see that in this?
1:29 Speaker 02 You don't see it? That is like...
1:30 Doug DeMuro? Go back to it. You don't see the resemblance? Let me tell you something. This is the famous story about this car is that Ralph Lauren, when he was a young man, just in... You know the story? Just in the business world, all he wanted to do in life was own that W111, 280 SE. And he worked, and he worked, and he sold ties out of his trunk, and he bought himself... And in today's world, the Ralph Lauren of today wants an electric C-Class.
1:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:55 Speaker 03 So Electric C-Class, it's their new generation of electric vehicles. The GLC electric has already been revealed. This is the sedan version of that. All the things you expect, 800 volt infrastructure. We expect about 350 miles of range. It'll come out in early 2027 is when it will be available for sale. The rear is controversial-ish, even though it looks just like the CLA EV rear. So we've seen that.
2:16 Doug DeMuro? The taillights seemed weird.
2:17 Speaker 03 They're a little weird. C-Class, just FYI. Although, you know, it will be the E-Class.
2:23 Speaker 02 It will also be the E-Class.
2:24 Speaker 03 They're, they're, they're fine.
2:25 Doug DeMuro? There's a little bit of Nissan Skyline going on in here.
2:27 Speaker 03 Sure. And there's like the A, the CLA looks somewhat similar in the rear too with that like dark bar across. The real news though, if you go back to the slideshow is the interior, which has many screens. Yeah. So the top level option is three, is this huge screen that goes across the gage closer, the middle and the passenger.
2:48 Doug DeMuro? Are we calling this a big news that, that all the Mercedes are like this now?
2:51 Speaker 03 This is a slightly new version of that. But there are, by the way, I want to be specific. There's three options.
2:55 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I saw that.
2:56 Speaker 03 One of them doesn't have the passenger screen, but has a display that's not a screen. It's not like touchable, but it's a display underneath the glass.
3:03 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
3:04 Speaker 03 One has three standalone displays and this one combines it all into one.
3:09 Doug DeMuro? This is how, this is how these Benz is, this is the world we live in now, dude. Pretty soon it'll be projected onto the windshield.
3:16 Speaker 03 It's a matter of time.
3:18 Doug DeMuro? It truly is a matter of time.
3:19 Speaker 03 But heads up, displays exist.
3:21 Doug DeMuro? Does anyone, yeah, but does anyone actually project like Mercedes has that, Mercedes has that virtual reality display, but it's in the, it's not on the windshield.
3:30 Speaker 03 No, it should be.
3:31 Doug DeMuro? But there's, well, there's, there's been talk that like where you turn and stuff is going to start to be projected on the windshield.
3:37 Speaker 03 That's the thing, but like imagine if there's no windshield at all. So like the Polestar 4, they got rid of a rear window, right? The Polestar 4 that you reviewed recently has no rear window. Why have a front window?
3:46 Doug DeMuro? This is, this is tech, this is tech, this is tech, this is tech. Here, I'm going to give you tech. Imagine a car, but it doesn't take you anywhere.
3:54 Speaker 02 Right. It's one of the eight hour meetings he goes to.
3:55 Doug DeMuro? This is, this is Filippo. If Filippo was a tech in the bay, he would say that and then the guy sitting around him would go like, oh man, yeah.
4:03 Speaker 03 And for a brief moment. When we first IPO will be trillionaires and then about a minute later we'll be back to not big.
4:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
4:10 Speaker 03 They've been touting in this release a lot of like S-Class things. So there's an air suspension available. There's a bunch of things that are intended to make it as luxurious as an S-Class.
4:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
4:21 Speaker 03 Which is kind of interesting.
4:21 Doug DeMuro? Let me tell you something. There's a fellow up my block who's got an I4. Do you know that automobile? It's a BMW.
4:27 Speaker 03 I know all the automobiles.
4:29 Doug DeMuro? You know all the automobiles? Did you know the Mega Track? Do you know the Suzuki Across?
4:34 Speaker 03 All, I do actually know the Suzuki Across.
4:36 Doug DeMuro? What is it?
4:36 Speaker 03 I don't remember.
4:37 Doug DeMuro? You know nothing.
4:38 Speaker 03 I know all the current automobiles.
4:39 Doug DeMuro? Can I pull up a picture of the Suzuki Across and watch Filippo crumble with embarrassment?
4:44 Speaker 03 I'm trying to picture it, but I can't.
4:47 Doug DeMuro? Crumble with embarrassment Suzuki.
4:48 Speaker 02 Oh wow, it's the first thing you know when you look at it.
4:50 Doug DeMuro? You know why?
4:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, the R4.
4:52 Doug DeMuro? Excuse me, excuse me. That's a Suzuki Across, not a R4.
4:57 Speaker 03 One interesting thing, by the way, there's a two-speed gearbox in the S-Class.
5:00 Doug DeMuro? In the Suzuki Across? Is it, is it a three-pedal situation? No, I want to tell you about my neighbor's I4. I got a name with an I4. That is a damn good-looking car.
5:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, also great lease sale.
5:08 Doug DeMuro? It also drives quite well. It drives like a BMW. If I was buying a BS commuter car, I would buy, probably buy an I4.
5:17 Speaker 03 Wow.
5:17 Doug DeMuro? Truly. It's, it's pretty luxurious. The hatchback opens. It's got good cargo space. I mean, people like SUVs and I get that. But like, that is a real, and so this is the rival to that, but it's not as good-looking.
5:31 Speaker 03 But it will sell better because I4 has not been a sales smash.
5:34 Doug DeMuro? Not in the States. But BMW is saying that their IX3 has been a massive sales success overseas. Yeah, the SUV thing changes things. A massive sales success overseas. They're getting more orders. They've added shifts to the factory to build as much as they can. It's an interesting thing.
5:48 Speaker 03 I will say, credit to Mercedes, this is a notably more compelling product than their last set of EVs. The, like, the updated infrastructure. They make their own batteries now.
5:55 Doug DeMuro? It is interesting though that they have.
5:56 Speaker 03 Own motors, rather.
5:57 Doug DeMuro? It is interesting that they have gone with the similar styling, which was so roundly criticized last time, and that's a bit of a pun.
6:04 Speaker 03 Still a little.
6:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
6:06 Speaker 03 I like that pun.
6:06 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
6:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:07 Doug DeMuro? Wow. Like, it's odd, right? Because the thing I like about the I4 is that it just looks like a BMW.
6:13 Speaker 03 Yep.
6:14 Doug DeMuro? Whereas this has, I mean, I like a good 280 SE 3.5, but I don't think you're fooling it.
6:19 Speaker 03 I, I think what you will see is that all of their products will probably go to this design language, and then it won't be the roundy ones that are EVs. They will all just look a little mediocre.
6:29 Doug DeMuro? Which is a shame. Do you agree this is an AI background? There's no way it's got Stu Kar plates. This ain't Stu Kar, I'll tell you that.
6:36 Speaker 02 No, it is not.
6:37 Doug DeMuro? Every building that looked like this in Stu Kar came down, if you know what I mean.
6:40 Speaker 03 I would believe that it's not photographed there.
6:41 Speaker 02 That 41 does look kind of AI.
6:43 Doug DeMuro? It's too crisp.
6:44 Speaker 02 Way too night, yeah.
6:45 Doug DeMuro? It's as fake as the sound that'll be piped through the speakers of the new C-Class. On to the next news story, please.
6:51 Speaker 02 But at least it will inspire the next Ralph Lauren.
6:53 Doug DeMuro? When is that C-Class coming out?
6:54 Speaker 03 It will be for sale in early 2027.
6:57 Doug DeMuro? Early 27. Not a long wait, Kenan. Mark your calendars. All right, move on to the 7 Series. New 7 Series was announced, and by new, I mean slight refresh.
7:04 Speaker 03 Yep.
7:05 Doug DeMuro? Uh, we are alone in this podcast, and by we, I mean me and Kenan, I don't know about him, in liking the 7 Series. The rest of the world hates it and thinks it's the stupidest, ugliest, most awful, terrible thing in the world. I think it has the presence a big sedan deserves to have. And in this era, when you're seeing all the big sedans get canceled, the XJ, the RL, the A8.
7:25 Speaker 03 It has presence.
7:26 Doug DeMuro? You kind of need to do something a little different.
7:28 Speaker 02 And it's clear they're leaning into that more, like with the pinstripe that goes down the side, you know, similar to another luxury brand that BMW owns.
7:35 Doug DeMuro? Two-tone even, right?
7:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, in two-tone.
7:37 Doug DeMuro? The fact that they're doing two-tones.
7:37 Speaker 02 Yep.
7:38 Doug DeMuro? They're really, they are really leaning into like creating a look of presence. And I think this new one is intended to be a little bit more, it's not, it didn't look dramatically different to me when I saw it all come out today.
7:47 Speaker 03 It's intended to bridge the gap to the new class styling.
7:49 Doug DeMuro? That's right. That's what it's supposed to do.
7:51 Speaker 03 Um, have you seen the taillights? Now they have their like two lines.
7:54 Doug DeMuro? Oh, there's two lines. You know, I am so glad you called that out, Filippo.
7:57 Speaker 03 They go further in. The real news story besides the taillights, which are, I think are remarkable.
8:03 Doug DeMuro? They definitely, they really, they really made an effort to style this car in a way that is notable. The A8 quietly whispered itself into.
8:11 Speaker 03 It just passed away in the night.
8:13 Doug DeMuro? It did. It really did. It, it, it passed away in its sleep.
8:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:16 Doug DeMuro? And BMW is saying, if we're gonna lean in to a full-size sedan, we are not gonna let that happen. And love it or hate it, this car, when you see it on the road, it does not just look like a 5 Series.
8:27 Speaker 03 Yep. And the interiors were all the big news, actually. So there's a huge, the weird screen that existed before is even bigger now. And I think you can like take Zoom meetings from it.
8:35 Speaker 02 Yes, you can. There's a camera in the middle and you can split it into different views. There are like, you're gonna have a bunch of different stuff together.
8:39 Speaker 03 I remember all that was true in the old one too. I did a video of it in the pub breaks. It was a, this is a big screen.
8:44 Doug DeMuro? When I did a view of the old one, the Palm Springs, in Palm Springs, it was so hot that I don't remember anything.
8:49 Speaker 03 That sounds right.
8:50 Doug DeMuro? I do remember, I drove my, I drove my Ford GT there and the BMW engineers were so excited to see a Ford GT. They had never, they were all Germans. They'd never seen a Ford GT before. And when I parked at the hotel, they all conglomerated around the Ford GT.
9:03 Speaker 02 It's so wide, so low, unbelievable. They built a car like this, all five, what's they thinking?
9:08 Speaker 03 Other interior changes, they have like the, the, the new BMW display from the new class models that has like the cut edges. They have a passenger display and then there's not a traditional gauge cluster, just like a strip on top of the dash all the way across.
9:19 Doug DeMuro? Folks, is this is our number two news story this week?
9:22 Speaker 03 It's a light week, guys.
9:23 Doug DeMuro? Slow news week podcast. You better hope the talk car segment pulls us out, people.
9:27 Speaker 02 I've got some Italian spice coming later on. We'll, we'll get there.
9:30 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
9:31 Speaker 02 We'll get there.
9:31 Doug DeMuro? Well, all right. Give us our next situation. Ooh, Ford Mustang Dark Horse SC. Which, so there's the Ford Mustang. You know that car?
9:39 Speaker 03 I do.
9:40 Doug DeMuro? And that comes in regular or electric SUV varieties?
9:44 Speaker 03 Right.
9:44 Doug DeMuro? Okay?
9:45 Speaker 03 It's Ford distinction, yeah.
9:46 Doug DeMuro? And then, and then there's the GT and then there's the Dark Horse.
9:49 Speaker 03 Yep.
9:50 Doug DeMuro? And the regular Dark Horse has 500 horsepower, which is a significant amount of power.
9:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:55 Doug DeMuro? It's more power than anything you've ever driven.
9:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's not true, but sure.
9:58 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I think it is. The S, Dark Horse SC is out now. It's two letters, Filippo.
10:03 Speaker 03 Two letters.
10:04 Doug DeMuro? But it's.
10:04 Speaker 03 By the way, not S slash C.
10:06 Doug DeMuro? That was last week with that Porsche. The new Dark Horse SC makes 795 horsepower on gasoline.
10:14 Speaker 03 Yep.
10:15 Doug DeMuro? This isn't an electric BS cannon.
10:17 Speaker 02 That's real. That's crazy.
10:19 Speaker 03 Remember when the Hellcat came out?
10:21 Speaker 02 Of course.
10:21 Speaker 03 And 707 was like.
10:22 Speaker 02 And we thought that was the end, in all honesty.
10:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, for gas especially.
10:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, for, yeah, exactly, for pump gas cars, but wow.
10:30 Doug DeMuro? 795. It's supercharged, 660 pound-feet of torque. Do you understand what this is?
10:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's also a hand-built engine, which is kind of interesting.
10:39 Doug DeMuro? This is Ford throwing down. This is Ford saying, we own the Nürburgring, because they had that GTD situation.
10:47 Speaker 03 Third, yeah.
10:47 Doug DeMuro? We own muscle cars. The Camaro isn't even being made, I don't think, but I lost track of all that. This thing has shown up and is pounding people. No matter what Kenan ever buys, it will never be as fast as a Dark Horse SC unless he buys a Dark Horse SC.
11:04 Speaker 02 So yeah, so this is the victory lap for the Mustang. This is them just saying.
11:09 Doug DeMuro? Sure, I mean, the, the, the.
11:10 Speaker 02 Anyone, come on, take us on.
11:12 Speaker 03 The GTD, which is $327,000, has 20 more horsepower, just 20 more horsepower.
11:17 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but that's, that's.
11:18 Speaker 03 It has a lot of other changes. It's supposed in Canada.
11:21 Doug DeMuro? I rode in a GTD, I drove one around the Palm Springs, actually ironically there. It was so hot, I couldn't, can't remember anything, but what I do remember is that there is a window in the rear seat. You know how your cars backseats? This car has a window and in the window, you can see the suspension.
11:38 Speaker 03 That is cool.
11:39 Doug DeMuro? So that's worth the extra money.
11:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, the SC, by the way, is, they announced a couple of weeks ago that it's 103.5 pre-tax, predestination for a base SC.
11:49 Doug DeMuro? What did the GT500 used to cost?
11:51 Speaker 03 Right around 80 grand.
11:52 Doug DeMuro? 80 grand. So this is like the successor to the GT500. The GT500, though, never had 795 horsepower.
12:00 Speaker 03 No, the GT500 had a mere.
12:02 Doug DeMuro? 760.
12:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:03 Doug DeMuro? But this is the, this really is like, this takes over. So we were all wondering why we're not getting Shelby cars. The answer is we have the Dark Horse instead. The regular Dark Horse, I guess, is the GT350 replacement and this is like a, why, why are we not using Shelby's name anymore? We don't know.
12:17 Speaker 03 For a brief moment, they were gonna re, there was a proposal to rename the street in front of their headquarters, which is Shelby Way or something like that, to something else. There was like a proposal to like, have like Maverick Drive and, I should think it was Maverick Trail, because that's more fitting.
12:31 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of the Maverick.
12:32 Speaker 03 By the way, they've said they're not doing that. It's still Shelby Road.
12:34 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of Maverick, I have a neighbor, I have a neighbor there with a Maverick, you know? And, uh, boy, what a great car.
12:41 Speaker 03 I've had three friends in the last week, the last two days, out of the blue texted me and said, "Hey, what do you think of the Maverick?"
12:47 Doug DeMuro? Why don't we all have Mavericks?
12:48 Speaker 03 I know.
12:49 Doug DeMuro? It's hybrid, it's four-wheel drive, it's a pickup, it's a car, it's comfortable, it's haulable.
12:53 Speaker 03 We should.
12:54 Doug DeMuro? It gets 40 miles per gallon, it costs $12,000.
12:58 Speaker 03 No, but it is a really appealing price.
12:59 Doug DeMuro? Some of that stuff's not true, but I'll tell you something.
13:00 Speaker 03 It's not that far off.
13:01 Doug DeMuro? The slate and the Maverick. Okay, what's our next news story?
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16:26 Doug DeMuro? Oh, the new Nissan Xterra. Okay, according to Filippo, Nissan announced pricing for the new Xterra. That's not really what happened. Nissan told people that the new Xterra, when it comes, which is years from now, the new Xterra will have a starting price under 40,000 United States. Under 40,000. Now, if I'm an automaker and I'm thinking about making price predictions, I would wait until pretty soon before, because this has happened before. Remember when Rivian said what Rivian's would cost? And then like the day they released the Rivian, tried to jack it up? And people were so mad they had to jack it back down.
16:59 Speaker 02 And Tesla's happened before. I mean, it's happened a lot.
17:02 Doug DeMuro? Who knows what will happen? What if there's a COVID and there becomes a shortage of yellow glowing LEDs?
17:10 Speaker 02 They would be really screwed.
17:11 Doug DeMuro? This and the Honda Passport are screwed.
17:14 Speaker 03 Imagine no red toe hooks.
17:16 Doug DeMuro? Oh, no.
17:17 Speaker 03 No.
17:18 Doug DeMuro? I am so pumped for this Xterra.
17:19 Speaker 03 I am too. They've made it clear, by the way, that there's gonna be a pretty stripped out car that has everything you need and nothing you don't.
17:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's what the old one was.
17:27 Speaker 03 They also want to say, we've lost our way a bit, putting a lot of technology in our cars for the sake of it, adding a lot of features. We're gonna stop doing that.
17:34 Doug DeMuro? Well, I mean, that's odd to hear from Nissan, because the last Nissan I had the backup camera was about three pixels.
17:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:40 Doug DeMuro? But I do like the idea of a back-to-basis car, particularly when the 4Runner, I think, has left a little bit of a slot open in the, uh, in the market for something to come in sort of at the lower end, a little bit simpler, a little bit more basic, where the 4Runner has now gone hybrid, the top trimmels of, levels are $80,000. This is an, there is definitely an option here.
18:01 Speaker 03 4Runner starts at about 44, just a little bit more than that.
18:04 Doug DeMuro? Starts at 44.
18:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, this'll start below 40.
18:06 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
18:07 Speaker 03 Uh, 39999.
18:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah.
18:09 Speaker 03 Uh, which is fine. I, also, we should be clear, like, stripped out cars at this point, because of federal mandates and consumer preferences, all have automatic emergency braking, all have backup cameras, all have some power features generally. Like, it's, it's not a stripped out car of the 90s.
18:24 Doug DeMuro? And you know what's annoying? Because you're, you're dry, you're on the trail, you know what I mean? And a rock is in front of you, and you're trying to go over the rock, and then it automatic emergency brakes.
18:32 Speaker 02 That is irritating.
18:33 Speaker 03 Never had that happen.
18:33 Speaker 02 I've run into that many a time.
18:34 Doug DeMuro? You're never on a trail with a car with AEB. I got a Sequoia.
18:37 Speaker 03 Well, you turn it off.
18:38 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna talk more about my Sequoia.
18:39 Speaker 03 Most trail modes turn those off.
18:42 Doug DeMuro? I don't participate in trail mode. I just get out there and raw dog it. Let's go. I don't switch modes. I don't even put it in four-wheel.
18:49 Speaker 02 Wow.
18:49 Doug DeMuro? Rrrrr.
18:50 Speaker 02 You're a real man.
18:51 Doug DeMuro? Uh, new Xterra is a long way off. What did this, didn't they say 28?
18:54 Speaker 03 I believe so, yeah. Uh, in late 28.
18:57 Doug DeMuro? Late 28. Hey, we're only two and a half years away.
19:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:01 Doug DeMuro? Great.
19:01 Speaker 03 Yeah. But, but we know pricing, unless inflation's really rampant, and then who knows?
19:06 Doug DeMuro? This is the problem with car development cycles. It's laughable that they already know it's gonna look like this, and it's gonna take them two and a half years to come to market. How could that possibly be? It is silly.
19:20 Speaker 03 It's a brand-new platform, and unlike some manufacturers, they wanna test it first.
19:24 Doug DeMuro? You're, you're calling out Tesla? Let me tell you something about, yeah, you are. Let me tell you something about Tesla. You know how many cars Tesla's sold?
19:29 Speaker 03 So many.
19:29 Doug DeMuro? All of them. I was at the tennis club today, and there's a pickleball tournament going on, and you, can you imagine how many boomers are driving Teslas to a pickleball tournament?
19:38 Speaker 03 Yes.
19:39 Doug DeMuro? It's like, uh, it, it's like all, it's unbelievable.
19:42 Speaker 03 Was it all new model-wise?
19:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's all model wise. I don't know if they're new. Well, this is California. A lot of the boomers have moved off Tesla out in California, but you get my point. They've sold all the cars. Have they done the proper testing? No. Has it mattered? No. Nobody cares.
19:57 Speaker 03 True.
19:58 Speaker 02 It's, you know, it reminds me a lot of like the iPhone. When the iPhone came out, it's like you preorder on Friday, you get it the following week. It's like, if you're going to tease something, like then you have to be able to deliver on it right away.
20:07 Doug DeMuro? Unbelievable to me that they feel they can tease this and then wait three years.
20:12 Speaker 03 They know that if they don't tease something, they may not exist by 2028. They need to start the drip now.
20:17 Speaker 02 It's too late. Like, make the thing.
20:19 Doug DeMuro? It's so silly. It's so silly. Tesla will come out with a refresh and have it on the production line four weeks later. And Nissan's two and a half years, they've already, it's already taken them 13 years to figure out that they need to be back in this market. They're going to wait another, they're going to see another two and a half years of sales to the forerunner.
20:35 Speaker 03 What happened? They listened to the podcast. They heard you say, hey Nissan, you need to build this. And they were like, you're right. But instead of hearing about that for the next two years and then revealing it, they, they thought they'd get better Doug PR if they just announced it.
20:48 Doug DeMuro? I'm going to give you a new idea Nissan. Come out with a stopgap Xterra. And here's how you do it. You take a front tier crew cab. You put a body on the back and that's it. And for two years, that can be our Xterra and we'll be fine with it. We don't care. It's, it'll be a sucky car. No one cares. Come out with it and come out with it by June 1st. What's today?
21:09 Speaker 03 Today is April 22nd.
21:10 Doug DeMuro? If I was running, if I was the fellow running Nissan now, this fellow, that's what I would do.
21:16 Speaker 03 Maybe there's a reason you're not the fellow running Nissan.
21:19 Doug DeMuro? I, I promise you things would be going better if I was. It can't be going worse.
21:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:25 Doug DeMuro? Uh, what's next?
21:26 Speaker 03 Oh yeah. All right. So GM has announced that they're putting on hold and maybe just fully cancelling their next generation of EVs. We're familiar with the Hummer EV and the Silverado EV, etc.
21:38 Doug DeMuro? Full-size, is this just SUVs?
21:40 Speaker 03 Electric trucks, yeah.
21:41 Doug DeMuro? Trucks.
21:42 Speaker 03 The bull is just came out.
21:43 Doug DeMuro? I read, okay, so the Lightning was just canceled. I read a news report in Bloomberg this week that 20% of Cybertruck sales are to the other Elon Musk companies.
21:52 Speaker 03 Yep.
21:53 Doug DeMuro? Clearly, that's great. That's beautiful.
21:55 Speaker 03 Clearly, there has not been super strong demand for this, but they were pretty deep in planning for the next gen of this platform, the Ultium platform and the trucks. Suppliers were building things and they all got a notice saying, just put this on hold.
22:07 Doug DeMuro? The full-size electric pickup segment that was so promising three years ago, when we were all fighting to see what would come first, the R1T or the Hummer EV or the Lightning or the Cybertruck, that has completely gone dry, it has completely failed and no one is interested in any of them.
22:25 Speaker 03 Yep, pretty much. It's interesting. So EVs in the US are just increasingly dying. I will say market share ticked up in March. Gas was expensive, people bought EVs, but it was still slower market share than last March when they were in Senna's. In Europe, though, which feels the fuel crises, the fuel crises as a result of Iran war more strongly. They don't produce any real amount of gasoline. They have some real fuel concerns.
22:49 Doug DeMuro? Oil, but yeah.
22:51 Speaker 03 Yes, they don't produce, they don't extract oil and also don't have very much gasoline production from that. Both are true. Their EV sales in March were up 50%.
23:03 Doug DeMuro? Dude, I was driving, I was thinking about this the other day. Someday, we're all gonna be in a, in life, we're all gonna be in the nursing home. Me and Felipe will, Kenan will still be out there doing, cleaning his M5.
23:14 Speaker 03 Yep.
23:15 Doug DeMuro? And we'll be thinking to ourselves, I can't believe there was a time when a soccer mom at soccer practice had little explosions happening in her engine. It is so weird. However, in America, that time is still now and, holy crap, we are so behind on this. I'm telling you, we're all gonna, China will take over the world because of this. All the people who are sitting here being like, America, we like our gas engines. You're gonna, in 20 years, it's gonna be such a shame.
23:42 Speaker 03 The market is moving in a really sensitive direction because a lot of people don't want that reliance on fossil fuels. And the US is gonna be so far behind. Now, we're killing the full-size pickup truck. Okay.
23:55 Doug DeMuro? Maybe, but it would be nice if electric vehicles were adopted at every market.
23:58 Speaker 03 And better, and like actually competitive. And I really, really worry that the American manufacturers will absolutely not be. I don't think Chrysler is, or Stellantis in the US is working on US-market EVs outside of the charter.
24:09 Doug DeMuro? Well, Stellantis is a whole other thing.
24:11 Speaker 03 I don't think that GM is really working on much, except for the Bolt, which theoretically will have a new generation. But will it? Who knows? Ford isn't working on that much that's competitive.
24:19 Doug DeMuro? Now, wait a minute. Ford in Cologne builds that little...
24:22 Speaker 03 Yeah. They also have the small pickup truck that's coming. It's supposed to be like a cheaper truck on a new EV platform. But nevertheless, like, it really feels like they won't be competitive, and that will be a long-term mistake.
24:32 Speaker 02 I just go back to our conversation with RJ Scringe, talking about that, and like, he's right. I think like, if you, it's short-sighted to think that this isn't going to happen in the future. It's without question, the way things are going, like, and I just, I don't fully understand why American manufacturers are bringing their heads in. I guess the demand just isn't there right now, but...
24:50 Doug DeMuro? Because the American manufacturers cannot sell in great numbers outside of America, and Americans don't want it. And so, you know, that's the situation.
24:58 Speaker 02 So, I, I, I, maybe they'll plan...
25:00 Doug DeMuro? The legacy American manufacturers, I should say.
25:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, exactly.
25:02 Speaker 03 I do wonder, right? Like, fuel is relatively, gas in the US is relatively expensive, about $4 a gallon on average in March.
25:08 Doug DeMuro? You're thinking, switch an EV.
25:10 Speaker 03 I wonder how many people are gonna start thinking about that as they transition to their next...
25:14 Doug DeMuro? May I suggest a BMW i4?
25:17 Speaker 02 It is a good thing you just got a pickup truck from 1973. It's really...
25:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, real fuel-efficient. You know what I passed on the interstate freeway here in my Cura V T on the way in today? I passed an IX M60.
25:27 Speaker 03 Wow.
25:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
25:28 Speaker 02 IX M60.
25:28 Speaker 03 And the grill self-heels.
25:31 Doug DeMuro? The grill self-heels. Did we report on that car being canceled? I think last week we covered it. That's gone, folks. If you wanted it on IX, and you didn't, it's gone. However, I did pass an M60 on the freeway today. And I think I go between M60 sightings... Yeah, it's a V12. I think I go between M60 sightings the same length of time as I go between like, F355 on-the-road sightings. Don't you agree?
25:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, similar.
25:55 Doug DeMuro? Because it's like a lease-deal car, and that's like the most expensive one.
25:58 Speaker 03 Even I don't notice, which IX drove behind.
26:01 Doug DeMuro? You don't see that big badge and think, wow, this dude can out-accelerate me?
26:05 Speaker 03 No, because that's true of all of the IXs.
26:07 Doug DeMuro? All right, this is, this is, this is the situation. Move on to the next story. Morty V is dying.
26:12 Speaker 02 Ah, yes. So this is a Lamborghini, this is allegedly going to be the Lamborghini Revuelto SV. So these are some teaser shots of a spot, spotted testing in Italy. And we can only assume that it's going to be. Now Filippo, who speaks Italian, you see Attenzione macchina veloce, which means attention, fast car, which is hilarious. But some things to note with this, this is the rear, obviously, but they've added a wing, which is a typical SV thing, they'd be more aggressive air changes to the front.
26:38 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
26:39 Speaker 02 We don't really have any other details outside of that. We have some vague understanding of what it might look like.
26:43 Doug DeMuro? The word is 1200 horse.
26:45 Speaker 02 Well, we'll see. There's, that's definitely not confirmed. I mean, the
26:48 Doug DeMuro? The word.
26:49 Speaker 02 The normal car has a 6.5 liter V12 with a thousand. So you imagine a 200, 200 horsepower is a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if that bump is there, but
26:56 Doug DeMuro? The word. Dude, this can be cool.
26:59 Speaker 02 I know it is. The, all the SV models are cool.
27:01 Doug DeMuro? Aventador is, or whatever this is called, is so, Revuelto is so cool. No, I'm serious. It is. It is so, it is such a cool car.
27:11 Speaker 02 I know. And it, the, the normal
27:12 Doug DeMuro? So much more than SF90.
27:13 Speaker 02 Right. And the no, the new, the normal one is just astonishing. So I can't, this is gonna be, just blow everybody's mind.
27:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
27:20 Speaker 02 Even better. But I'm excited. I mean, it's always cool when an SV version comes out.
27:24 Doug DeMuro? What was your favorite SV Lambo?
27:26 Speaker 02 This is the Mercy SV.
27:28 Doug DeMuro? Not the Countach?
27:30 Speaker 02 There was no Countach SV.
27:32 Doug DeMuro? It was the only one that didn't have one.
27:33 Speaker 02 That's right. The, the, well, the Diablo SV is really good.
27:37 Doug DeMuro? But you know what they did give us on the Countach instead? The anniversary.
27:40 Speaker 02 Oh yeah, that was a worthwhile trade off.
27:42 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
27:43 Speaker 02 That hideous looking thing, not Horacio Pagani's finest work.
27:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, heinous thing. Um, but no, well, the Mira SV is really good.
27:53 Doug DeMuro? No, I agree with you. The Mercy SV is cool.
27:55 Speaker 02 The Mercy to me.
27:56 Doug DeMuro? It's super limited. It came out like peak recession, like Bear Stearns was collapsing and Lambo was like, we have, we got a $600,000 car for you.
28:06 Speaker 02 Exactly. And, uh, you know, man, that thing is just so cool.
28:10 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, you ever think about wanting one of these?
28:12 Speaker 03 No.
28:12 Doug DeMuro? No?
28:13 Speaker 03 It is cool though.
28:13 Doug DeMuro? There's not a moment in your life when you, when it hits you like, hey, this is cool.
28:18 Speaker 03 No, I, I said it's cool.
28:19 Doug DeMuro? Like, there's not a moment where you're driving around in, in, in your bad wheel Targa and you're thinking, this could be me in this Lambo.
28:28 Speaker 03 I remember when we hosted one on Cars and Bids a couple of years ago. It's so cool.
28:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
28:33 Speaker 03 It is.
28:34 Doug DeMuro? Uh, we did host one. Did you know that, Ken?
28:36 Speaker 02 I vaguely remember that car.
28:37 Speaker 03 The, the, we also had a, there you go.
28:39 Doug DeMuro? It was in Canada, I think.
28:40 Speaker 03 It was indeed.
28:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:41 Doug DeMuro? So cool.
28:43 Speaker 02 Seven hundred thousand. What are those cars worth now? About a million, probably?
28:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, the tips still are crazy.
28:47 Speaker 02 The tips, yeah.
28:48 Doug DeMuro? Uh, they're not that crazy considering how low production it was.
28:51 Speaker 02 Right.
28:51 Doug DeMuro? Um.
28:52 Speaker 02 Very cool. But nonetheless, this is what the next one will kind of look like. I think the camo is, I love that Lamborghini like leaned it like, most of the time the camo looks the same on all these cars. In this case, it went for fire and telling everybody,
29:02 Doug DeMuro? and attention fast car. So this car went into production, uh, in summer of 23. So an SV is probably a year out. You figure it's going to be another 10, 12 year life cycle like all the, the big Lambos.
29:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, probably.
29:14 Doug DeMuro? So there's, this is an SV, SVJ, et cetera. The whole situation comes out.
29:17 Speaker 02 Right, yeah.
29:18 Doug DeMuro? But it's, it's, it's, um,
29:19 Speaker 02 It's exciting.
29:20 Doug DeMuro? It's cool. It's exciting.
29:21 Speaker 02 It's really exciting.
29:22 Doug DeMuro? Well, scrambled.
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32:06 Doug DeMuro? Scramble!
32:07 Speaker 02 All right, but we got another Italian manufacturer, so the Ferrari Luce. So the Luce, we had a lot of stuff coming out about this recently. I actually watched a video going through the interior, talking about like all the little components. It's really cool.
32:17 Doug DeMuro? Is this the interior?
32:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:18 Doug DeMuro? But what's in the background? Is it like a, is this the interior of a helicopter flying over a village?
32:22 Speaker 02 So in the studio in which all of this is, there's a studio you go to or Johnny Ive shows all of like, like an Apple product studio, basically.
32:30 Doug DeMuro? Cause it looks like we're driving a gondola. Do you agree?
32:33 Speaker 02 I think, no, I think we're in a hot air balloon. We're in a Zep one. These are the controls.
32:37 Doug DeMuro? 210 kilometers per hour. Because... That's kind of how people feel about this car, you know? Like it's an electric B. Anyway, what's the news?
32:46 Speaker 02 Which I have some thoughts on that, which I'll come back to in a second. But the announcement is the Bloomberg claims they got from an insider. A hint into the pricing of this car. Now, the car is going to come out next month in an event in Rome and we'll find out for sure. But they're saying it's going to be about $650,000, which is starting, which is an awful lot for an EV. Even a Ferrari 650 is a lot. And you have to imagine with options, these are, most of these are going to be three quarters of a million dollars.
33:10 Speaker 03 I mean, look, it's a hundred thousand pounds. The, they have, for some reason they're recording this in the UK.
33:15 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna be a hundred thousand pounds. It's so much electric, it's so heavy. You think the Rebalto's heavy? Wait for the Luchette.
33:21 Speaker 02 Hold my beer.
33:22 Speaker 03 The 650 comes from 550,000 pounds. And in that same market, the Purosangue is 450,000 pounds. So a hundred thousand pounds, a hundred fifty thousand dollars more than a Purosangue.
33:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. That's a lot. If they attempt to sell an electric sports car at $650,000, I think even Ferrari has met its match. How do they not understand that the SF90 is already a terrible seller?
33:46 Speaker 03 What about the Pininfarina Batista? Yeah, what's, what's MSRP on that?
33:50 Doug DeMuro? Two and a half.
33:51 Speaker 03 Two and a half.
33:51 Doug DeMuro? And, and, and, and you know how those are selling?
33:54 Speaker 03 By about two million dollars.
33:55 Speaker 02 Let me, let me calculate.
33:56 Doug DeMuro? You know how many of those have sold, they've sold? Zero.
33:59 Speaker 02 Zero.
34:01 Doug DeMuro? No one has bought one.
34:02 Speaker 03 When you cut the price in, in thirds, you get closer.
34:06 Speaker 02 No.
34:07 Doug DeMuro? Not at the volume.
34:07 Speaker 02 You multiply by zero.
34:08 Doug DeMuro? The Pininfarina Batista, I think they wanted to sell a hundred. At the volume they're going to want to sell this time, you get close. The SF90 gives you an insight into how customers want to be, electric cars to be in their lives. And the, the answer is they don't, right? SF90s are 650 stickers. They are selling you, on the used market for half price. You know, the one thing that is not talked about enough in Luca, with Luca di Montezemolo.
34:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:31 Doug DeMuro? Montezemolo.
34:32 Speaker 02 Our Lord and Savior.
34:33 Doug DeMuro? Our Lord and Savior.
34:34 Speaker 02 Luca di Montezemolo.
34:35 Doug DeMuro? Is that in addition to doing a lot of beneficial things for Ferrari, he actually got supply and demand correct. And he's gone and within only a few years, supply and demand is already going on the bad side of private equity. Do you know what I'm saying?
34:49 Speaker 02 I do know.
34:50 Doug DeMuro? Just build more of them. It's gonna work. Well, it isn't. And when, when, when we were kids, you couldn't get a Ferrari. The resale market was high. The buyer market was high. It was like, and it was annoying for customers, but for the company and for the brand, it was great. Well, now the cars are depreciating. They have more cars than customers. And suddenly, obviously, the brand hasn't eroded yet, but you come up with a $650,000 electric car and you start to wonder if that starts to occur.
35:16 Speaker 02 I would not be surprised. And I, to be clear, like, I think as far as the electric car stuff goes, I think the idea of restyling the interior and having someone do this stuff properly, who is an actually good engineer and with great style, makes a lot of sense. Ferrari interiors, we haven't changed that much since the 458. If we're honest, like, they really haven't changed.
35:34 Doug DeMuro? The full screen thing showed up. The giant full screen thing came up.
35:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, but it's still like the, the vent, it's still like very, it's still a little bit derivative of its past. It hasn't been something like very, very new in a while. And I think this is like, I think all this stuff is really cool and feels nice and like, is the quality Ferrari should be.
35:49 Doug DeMuro? I have no comment on the interior. Couldn't care less. I'm very excited to see the car, what it looks like, how it performs and the price point. And if it's 650 for an electric.
35:57 Speaker 02 I know, it's a hard pill to swallow.
35:58 Doug DeMuro? A Plaid can do 0 to 60 in one and we're selling them every day for 22.
36:02 Speaker 03 But then you're going for style, right? Like, I think that it was the right decision to lean into, Kenan's point, like a, a well reputed, beloved designer to design the exterior and the interior.
36:13 Doug DeMuro? Had better look more beautiful.
36:15 Speaker 03 I know, I agree.
36:16 Doug DeMuro? Than anything that's come out of Italy since the Sistine Chapel was finished.
36:20 Speaker 03 I do wonder, the SF90 tried to combine a lot of things pretty early. Right? Tried to combine a hybrid and gas and still having a gas engine and a new interior. And that was maybe too much. But I wonder about a full EV where you're attracting a different buyer base.
36:34 Doug DeMuro? You're right. You're right. The, the thing, the problem with the SF90 is the gas powertrain. That's why it's not selling. It's the gas powertrain.
36:43 Speaker 03 Combination between them, but you know.
36:45 Doug DeMuro? You're right. They combined too many things. Let's strip it down to the basics. Get rid of that pesky engine.
36:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, who's that?
36:52 Doug DeMuro? 911 STs are selling for 750. Do you know what car will never sell for 750 after it's initially sold to its first owner? Who, by the way, will be the dealer? The Luce.
37:06 Speaker 03 Probably.
37:06 Speaker 02 You're probably right.
37:08 Speaker 03 We'll see. We'll find out. But it might be beautiful.
37:11 Doug DeMuro? Many years ago, I got a Ferrari press car and it's never going to happen again. But you know what? I love that 296. And you like the 12 cylinder? I love the 12 cylinder. I love, I'm glad you're saying it the correct way.
37:22 Speaker 03 It took a lot of restraint.
37:24 Doug DeMuro? I love the 296. I love the pure son weight. It, I think it's hain, but it drives amazing.
37:30 Speaker 02 It's got a V12.
37:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. And it just, the steering, it just feels so good.
37:36 Doug DeMuro? The SF90 is a, is an abomination. The SP3 changed our lives.
37:39 Speaker 02 It did.
37:40 Doug DeMuro? I, SP3 was my car of the year a couple of years ago. It's usually like a Tesla.
37:45 Speaker 02 No, it deserves it. Like that, that car is very notable in our lives. Wish it weren't called the Daytona, but other than that, it is really cool.
37:53 Doug DeMuro? F80 coming. You excited for that?
37:56 Speaker 02 You know, when we saw it in person in Monterey, I liked it a lot more than I thought I was going to. And I would be really curious, like, really curious, because I'm not going to get to drive them before you, but your thoughts about, I'm sure it's amazing, but you know, we would rather have an SP3 Daytona.
38:09 Doug DeMuro? Car I did really love was that SF90XX. Like, really love.
38:13 Speaker 02 I was surprised that you liked it so much.
38:14 Doug DeMuro? So was I. I was going into it thinking, I gotta do this. And then I came out of it like, well, I gotta get one of those.
38:19 Speaker 02 Maybe it's because your expectations were so rock bottom low.
38:22 Doug DeMuro? No, there, it's, I am not a person who likes raw cars mentally, but then actually I really mostly do like raw cars. Like I drove that 340R and I was like, this is so cool.
38:35 Speaker 03 To be fair, it is.
38:36 Doug DeMuro? It really is. And what I really want is a P1GTR. If I had crazy money, I would do two things. I would never talk to him again. And I'm like, a P1GTR.
38:46 Speaker 02 You love saying this. I don't know why that's the thing that you could just stop talking to if you wanted to.
38:50 Doug DeMuro? No, we got, we got entanglements. We got our wives. We got the business.
38:54 Speaker 02 Doesn't go away with money.
38:55 Doug DeMuro? No, no. If I had crazy money, I would disentangle and be like, Felipe, you're gone.
39:01 Speaker 03 It'd be worth it at that point.
39:01 Speaker 02 Would you pay? So you're saying you'd pay him to stop speaking to you?
39:04 Doug DeMuro? No, I just.
39:05 Speaker 02 He says this a lot.
39:06 Doug DeMuro? I would accept all that. I would just be like, Felipe, you're out. I have, I have so much money that you're out. If you see me in my P1 GT-R, wave to me as I drive.
39:18 Speaker 03 I would accept money to not engage, that's fine. Something to consider.
39:21 Doug DeMuro? How much?
39:22 Speaker 02 So you know he will start bothering you more unless you pay him, that's what he's gonna do.
39:26 Speaker 03 That's an interesting take.
39:27 Speaker 02 He knows where you live.
39:28 Doug DeMuro? Are there more news stories?
39:29 Speaker 02 Uh, no, that is the end.
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40:55 Doug DeMuro? Today to the Top Cars segment, which is brought to you by my Toyota Sequoia.
41:01 Speaker 03 Wow, we're back to it.
41:03 Doug DeMuro? Filippo.
41:03 Speaker 03 Are we on or off the Sequoia?
41:04 Doug DeMuro? I gotta get out of this car.
41:06 Speaker 03 What happened?
41:06 Doug DeMuro? Alright, me and Sean today are at a gas station filming god knows what. And, um...
41:14 Doug DeMuro? A Sequoia TRD Pro rolls in.
41:16 Speaker 03 Nice. What color?
41:17 Doug DeMuro? And it has a vanity plate. They all have vanity plates.
41:20 Speaker 03 So does yours.
41:20 Doug DeMuro? It was black. And it has a roof tent.
41:24 Speaker 03 Oh.
41:24 Doug DeMuro? And I'm like, and it's, and the guy had changed out the Falcon Wild Peaks for Toyo's. He had already uptired. And I'm like, oh God. And it comes in and it's so.
41:35 Speaker 03 Huh? Didn't you also uptire?
41:36 Doug DeMuro? No, I got a Oez. I'm like.
41:37 Speaker 03 Okay.
41:38 Doug DeMuro? And then, and I said to Sean, I said, this guy's gonna get out and be the most like, tatted up, flat brim hat, like, like hardcore MAGA bro. And he gets out and he is literally wearing a shirt with an American flag on it that says freedom.
41:54 Doug DeMuro? And I'm like.
41:55 Speaker 03 God bless, brother.
41:57 Doug DeMuro? And I want to be clear on this podcast. We don't do politics and I don't care about the Republicans. They can do as they wish. But the car is so far towards that. It's the same reason why I don't want to drive a Honda Clarity in the other direction.
42:09 Speaker 03 Too far the other way. Yeah.
42:10 Doug DeMuro? I don't want a caution driver singing bumper sticker. Do you know what I mean?
42:17 Doug DeMuro? But at the same time, I don't want to be stereotyped to the point where I'm getting out with a Sequoia TRD Pro and I'm wearing a freedom shirt. Like, come on!
42:25 Speaker 03 Man, I know what I'm getting you for your birthday now.
42:28 Doug DeMuro? I gotta get out of this car. So, here's my plan. You're gonna love this plan.
42:32 Speaker 03 I'm so excited.
42:33 Doug DeMuro? I'm still looking for an AMG, an old AMG station wagon.
42:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:35 Doug DeMuro? Rami is looking for me. Inbound Motorsports Rami. My heart and soul is Rami. He hasn't found one for me yet. We're still looking. Here's my plan. This is a Filippo style plan. I gotta drive the Sequoia Nantucket this year. It's been too, it's like, it's too late in the season to make a change. Sell it. I get back in the middle of August. Sell it instantly. Done.
42:55 Speaker 03 You don't need a car for nine months. You don't need a car.
42:58 Doug DeMuro? I never used that car in the, in the winter. Nine months, drive my station.
43:04 Speaker 03 Are we back on the LX 700H?
43:06 Doug DeMuro? When the, when it's time to go again, we buy an LX 700H.
43:09 Speaker 03 For the record, this is exactly the plan that we laid out in October of last year.
43:13 Doug DeMuro? We're doing it!
43:15 Speaker 03 I found you one.
43:17 Doug DeMuro? You know what? I've been going on AutoTrader. They haven't depreciated. We were looking in January.
43:20 Speaker 03 You should have bought.
43:21 Doug DeMuro? We were looking in January and then the car mom did that thing where she showed that it's horrible with car seats. And I completely lost interest. I literally haven't checked prices until two days ago. They're the same.
43:30 Speaker 03 I want, I do want you to be aware, it hasn't gotten better for car seats from that time.
43:34 Doug DeMuro? No, it hasn't and it's not any cheaper and it's, it's still bad. And I think that a lot of the ones that are selling used are probably getting exported. Which is why I suspect that prices are not particularly, going particularly lower. Um, but I gotta get out of the Sequoia.
43:47 Speaker 02 I really like this plan. Cause I hate your Sequoia.
43:50 Doug DeMuro? Hate it.
43:50 Speaker 02 Really hate it. There's another one in the neighborhood that's just so embarrassing.
43:54 Doug DeMuro? Why is it so rumbly?
43:55 Speaker 02 It's just because, like, people want that.
44:00 Doug DeMuro? I, I, if I could tune that out and maybe swap the, I've been looking for a wheel option for, since I bought it. I send wheel options to the group.
44:07 Speaker 03 I know.
44:07 Speaker 02 You do.
44:08 Speaker 03 God, do I know it.
44:09 Speaker 02 We've gotten, all gotten tired of it. The camo and the gun locker. It's just like a, nice thing.
44:14 Doug DeMuro? The camo, it's too much. It's too much. Um.
44:18 Speaker 02 I will not be sad when that hideous, massive thing disappears from our lives.
44:22 Speaker 03 We all agree the worst part is the giant Toyota on the.
44:25 Speaker 02 That, no, there's a lot of, that's bad. There's just, it's all of it.
44:28 Doug DeMuro? The thing about the LX is, that's so great. It's triple locked. Okay. The first triple locked Toyota since the 80's.
44:36 Speaker 03 I told you raw dog it though. So like, why do you need that?
44:38 Doug DeMuro? It's triple locked and you know what it doesn't do? Tell anybody. You would have no clue what that car is. Whereas the Sequoia TRD Pro, which is also exceptionally good off-road. Just has to shout it to everybody.
44:52 Speaker 03 Yep.
44:53 Doug DeMuro? Like the mega Republican car that it is.
44:55 Speaker 03 Yep.
44:56 Doug DeMuro? You know what I mean?
44:56 Speaker 03 No, I mean, it is.
44:57 Doug DeMuro? And so I can't do it. I have to, I have to move on.
45:01 Speaker 02 Well, thank goodness. Finally.
45:04 Speaker 03 We're not gonna go down that road. Don't worry. Eventually, maybe they'll actually have the trim packages you want though.
45:08 Doug DeMuro? I only want an Alex 700.
45:09 Speaker 03 I was next to a Z71 Suburban yesterday, like a new post.
45:13 Doug DeMuro? They don't have, they don't have Supercruise.
45:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:15 Doug DeMuro? The, the Suburban still doesn't have Supercruise as Z71. You have to choose between the two. The Yukon, you can get an AT4 and Supercruise.
45:23 Speaker 03 There you go.
45:24 Doug DeMuro? I want a car that lasts because I will own it for two to two and a half years.
45:31 Speaker 03 Hey Toyota, if you want to make a more, a triple locked Sienna, you got to buy it.
45:35 Doug DeMuro? Oh my god.
45:35 Speaker 03 Oh buyer.
45:36 Doug DeMuro? If I could buy a triple locked Sienna, I am not screwing with you. I would buy it tomorrow. But my plan is, sell the thing in the fall, drive my new station wagon that Rami will find me until the spring, and then by then, this is a year from now, you got to assume that LX Overtrail values have gotten into like 94, right?
45:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, down from 97, yep.
45:56 Doug DeMuro? Well, that's not, that's not nothing. I know in your world, four grand is meaningless, but to people like me and Kenan.
46:02 Speaker 03 Well, your Sequoia would depreciate notably. It doesn't matter.
46:04 Doug DeMuro? The Sequoia, I think though, it's nine months of depreciation I don't have to suffer in the Sequoia, and I can benefit from in the LX.
46:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:11 Doug DeMuro? We're gonna do this. You're committed that though, that in March, we got to find an LX Overtrail?
46:16 Speaker 03 Of next year, yeah, you bet. It depends on whether you pay me to not talk to you or not. We'll, we'll, we'll see what happens. Got a year.
46:22 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, that's my talk cars. Filippo, um.
46:25 Speaker 03 We've got a few.
46:26 Doug DeMuro? I'm a little nervous about some of them, but go ahead.
46:29 Speaker 03 All right, I'm gonna start on a personal note here. I, we've been talking a lot about 911s. We've become a Porsche podcast.
46:33 Doug DeMuro? This is the sports car, not the terrorist attack, the sports car.
46:38 Speaker 02 Not that awful, Jack.
46:39 Speaker 03 Go ahead, the Porsche 911. I could talk about how I drove with LA twice in the last week, but my wife has told me that we talk too much about Porsches on this podcast, and that people may have forgotten that I'm not really that guy. I, I'm not into expensive cars.
46:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
46:52 Speaker 03 Generally.
46:52 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
46:53 Speaker 03 And so she told me a couple nights ago, that I should buy a Saab, pull up Saabs.
46:57 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
46:57 Speaker 03 That I should buy a cheap Saab. Now, little does she know that I've been looking at them on Facebook Marketplace a lot.
47:02 Doug DeMuro? Well, actually.
47:03 Speaker 03 Cause that's where the worst ones are.
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47:34 Doug DeMuro? For 12, the whole, all 12 years I've known you, you've been looking for cheap Saabs on Facebook Marketplace?
47:37 Speaker 03 I know.
47:38 Doug DeMuro? So any day now?
47:39 Speaker 03 Any day now, I should. About that 900 turbo, I know.
47:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:43 Speaker 03 Why didn't I?
47:43 Doug DeMuro? Was that local?
47:44 Speaker 03 To be fair, it was.
47:45 Doug DeMuro? It's local.
47:45 Speaker 03 It was two years ago.
47:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but Filippo, what are you?
47:48 Speaker 03 What am I? I should buy that.
47:50 Doug DeMuro? This would have been so cool. Where was this? It's got California plates on it.
47:52 Speaker 03 It's somewhere in California.
47:54 Doug DeMuro? Oh my god, it's in the back. They're all gonna be in the back.
47:58 Speaker 03 They're all gonna be in the back.
47:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:01 Speaker 03 I don't think that realistically, we can have five cars for two adults. That's a little much, even for me.
48:06 Doug DeMuro? Filippo's like the one of these, Filippo's like one of these Michael Fuchs type people. Have you, have you figured this out? He can't sell anything. He like can't get motivated to sell a car.
48:14 Speaker 03 Cars have purpose in our lives.
48:15 Speaker 02 Michael Fuchs stuff seems.
48:16 Doug DeMuro? Five?
48:17 Speaker 03 Well, no, I, we're only at four. That's why I can't add a five.
48:20 Doug DeMuro? You're two drivers and.
48:21 Speaker 03 You have seven.
48:22 Doug DeMuro? Three of the cars. Yeah, but Filippo, three of the cars are hatchbacks. And the pickup truck has rodent tires, can't even use it. I don't understand. What does the Volkswagen GTI do that the Mercedes station wagon doesn't?
48:33 Speaker 03 The GTI is gonna go away.
48:34 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, but how long have we been hearing that?
48:36 Speaker 03 Well, because the issue is that every week, that, that car gets driven a few hundred miles up to Riverside and back, or wherever my wife has work travel.
48:43 Doug DeMuro? If you had the Mercedes station wagon for that.
48:45 Speaker 03 She would take that, yeah.
48:45 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so.
48:46 Speaker 03 No, no, the GTI is going away. It just is. It's like, in my mind, it's gone.
48:50 Doug DeMuro? Well, but what would be nice to do?
48:53 Speaker 02 Is that it's still here?
48:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, but it's gonna be gone soon. Uh, but then maybe, uh, maybe we'll go back to four.
49:00 Doug DeMuro? In my mind, it's already gone.
49:01 Speaker 02 Is it in your mind that money's in your bank account?
49:03 Doug DeMuro? I got 14 cars, but in my mind, 12 of them don't exist, so I, really, I'm down to two.
49:08 Speaker 02 It's like some Nick Roshan level.
49:10 Doug DeMuro? That was some flaky Nick BS.
49:13 Speaker 03 Uh, but, so maybe there'll be a Saab in my future, or a Volvo. I'm, I'm, I could go either way.
49:17 Doug DeMuro? T5R. Get an 850 T5R.
49:18 Speaker 03 80 could be cool.
49:19 Doug DeMuro? If you get an 850 T5R wagon.
49:21 Speaker 03 I only buy stick cars.
49:24 Doug DeMuro? You can swap a stick in two seconds.
49:25 Speaker 03 No, I don't.
49:25 Doug DeMuro? Literally, me and Kenan with two cold ones could do it in a couple hours. He would even be back in time for dinner with Emily.
49:31 Speaker 03 I don't want that. I would consider a lot of like, bad 80s, 90s cars.
49:36 Doug DeMuro? I, pull that back up.
49:37 Speaker 03 No, no, that's a good 80s, 90s car.
49:41 Speaker 03 I've never been an A50 fan.
49:42 Doug DeMuro? I've put 40,000 miles on one of these. And um.
49:46 Speaker 03 Never been a fan of that A50 either, actually.
49:48 Doug DeMuro? What do you, what do you like? What Volvos do you like?
49:50 Speaker 03 Uh, love the, the, the next gen. I do like it. The prior gen.
49:54 Doug DeMuro? DS70?
49:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, I do love a nice S70 and a V70.
49:57 Doug DeMuro? What's the difference between a S70 and an A50?
49:59 Speaker 03 No, no, the, the, well, they're becoming a little more rounded and I do like it more.
50:04 Speaker 03 I do like this more, but it's too new.
50:06 Doug DeMuro? This is like.
50:07 Speaker 02 It's too new, 1998.
50:09 Speaker 03 If I'm going old, I'm gonna go 80s, 90s.
50:12 Doug DeMuro? So Volvos are out?
50:13 Speaker 03 Well, no, I do love a nice 240.
50:15 Doug DeMuro? A 240?
50:18 Doug DeMuro? If you get a 240 wagon in addition to your Mercedes wagon and your GTI?
50:22 Speaker 03 I know. No, the, the GTI will be gone.
50:24 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, yeah. The GTI is gone. I forgot.
50:25 Speaker 03 That, that SP, that 900 SPG, I think I did bid on, but it was sold by the Peterson and it had, hadn't been run and there was some issue with it, but I think I did bid.
50:33 Doug DeMuro? The fact that you didn't buy this car with three spokes.
50:36 Speaker 03 I know.
50:36 Speaker 02 You could have bought.
50:37 Speaker 03 Okay.
50:37 Speaker 02 It's just $700.
50:39 Speaker 03 Saab 900 it is. I have permission from my wife.
50:41 Doug DeMuro? Original Saab 900, this thing. An OG 900, but not an OG 900. Do you know what I mean?
50:46 Speaker 03 Right.
50:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:47 Speaker 03 I'm so curious. I don't think. That is the OG 900, but it's okay.
50:50 Doug DeMuro? What's the next one?
50:52 Speaker 03 The NG 900.
50:52 Doug DeMuro? What's the last one?
50:53 Speaker 03 The OG 93 and then the NG 93.
50:56 Doug DeMuro? Okay, got it.
50:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. Um, all right. Two other quick things I want to talk about that are events related, because I feel like I gotta shout them out. Because I will be at, at both of them. Uh, in early May, I will be, no, other one. I will not be at Wagon Fest, but I will be at a Cars and Coffee that we're doing at Tire Rack Headquarters in South Bend, Indiana, alongside the American Branching Association and One Lap of America.
51:18 Doug DeMuro? Driven past it before.
51:19 Speaker 03 Have you?
51:20 Doug DeMuro? I have.
51:20 Speaker 03 They have quite a large parking lot. So One Lap of America participants, that's the ending of it, are gonna be doing, um, uh, laps at the, the Tire Rack thing.
51:32 Speaker 03 You know, word.
51:32 Speaker 02 Headquarters, yeah.
51:33 Speaker 03 Yeah. Uh, but then we're gonna be doing Cars and Coffee that morning. If you wanna come, in the community page, we have a post where you can submit your car. I'm gonna personally review them and send some personalized invites to the cars.
51:44 Speaker 02 It's the second point. Filippo will be on the ground, not in the air, hanging out, talking about cars.
51:48 Speaker 03 I wanna be clear. You have to go to the community post, enter, put your car there, cuz I'm gonna review all of them and invite the people that I think have the coolest cars.
51:55 Speaker 02 Folks, this is-
51:56 Speaker 03 That I think have the coolest car. Not that Doug thinks has the coolest car, that I-
51:59 Doug DeMuro? This is the Tire Rack Headquarters off Vorden Parkway out there in South Bend, alright?
52:05 Speaker 03 They'll have about half of their main parking lot.
52:07 Doug DeMuro? If you are nice to Filippo, he will take you over to the Pilot Travel Center off, off of Brick Road in South Bend there, and he will buy you a hot dog.
52:19 Speaker 03 I make no such commitment.
52:20 Doug DeMuro? If you are nice to Filippo, he'll take you, he'll, he may even take you to Chivo's Pizza, which is on Ameritech Drive in South Bend, across the street from the Pilot.
52:30 Speaker 03 Sounds like it could be good.
52:31 Doug DeMuro? I'll tell you this, if this Cars and Coffee goes well, and Filippo ends up happy, and maybe has seen a couple of sobs, everybody goes to Chivo's Pizza on Filippo at the end of the event.
52:43 Speaker 03 I'll bring the people pizza. Unfortunately, the event ends at like 11 a.m., a little early.
52:46 Doug DeMuro? That's why you go over to Chivo's, dude.
52:48 Speaker 02 That's, you're right, at lunchtime.
52:49 Doug DeMuro? Chivo's opens at 11.
52:50 Speaker 03 Oh, see you there.
52:52 Doug DeMuro? Unfortunately, it doesn't open till 3 on Saturdays. Chivo's doesn't do lunch on the weekend.
52:56 Speaker 03 What a shame. Uh, the other event is, we will be at the Velocity Invitational. We're gonna be bringing a bunch of really exciting cars, including an Alfa Romeo TZ that's over there that changed Doug's life.
53:04 Speaker 02 Changed my life.
53:05 Speaker 03 Uh, a bunch of the cars, the, all the cars that we bring will be up for auction, so you can come to the event and check them out.
53:10 Doug DeMuro? Are you going to this?
53:11 Speaker 02 I'm not going to this.
53:12 Speaker 03 Why not? Which is a sad shame.
53:14 Speaker 02 I might. I was talking to Grant at Workforce, it's like, I was thinking I might.
53:17 Doug DeMuro? Dude, this is a real event.
53:18 Speaker 02 I know, I'm, I'm like-
53:19 Doug DeMuro? Have you been to Sonoma?
53:20 Speaker 02 I have not, not been.
53:22 Doug DeMuro? You should go to this.
53:22 Speaker 02 You think so?
53:23 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
53:23 Speaker 03 We're gonna, it's gonna be truly a cool event.
53:25 Doug DeMuro? This is like car heaven in May, instead of in August for, this is, you should go out there. It's so close.
53:30 Speaker 03 It's like vintage racing.
53:31 Speaker 02 It's only 6, 7 hours away.
53:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's an easy flight.
53:33 Speaker 02 6, 7. Oh, good lord.
53:36 Speaker 03 No. Uh, but regardless, we'll be up there. Um, check out carsandbets.com/events to buy tickets with a discount. Or if you have a car, we have a couple more slots, literally a couple of slots for cool cars.
53:47 Doug DeMuro? If I live in, the South Bend thing at Tire Rack, is there tickets for that?
53:51 Speaker 03 Yes, you have to go to the community page, and I will invite you if you are worthy.
53:55 Speaker 02 Wow.
53:56 Doug DeMuro? Okay, the velocity thing you need to buy tickets for.
53:58 Speaker 03 You need to actually buy tickets. There's a discount code at the events page.
54:01 Doug DeMuro? Okay, now what if?
54:02 Speaker 03 A lot of good events.
54:03 Doug DeMuro? What if you live in Fort Wayne?
54:05 Speaker 03 Well, you're used to driving to get to good things.
54:09 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, Kenner, you got some truck cars for us?
54:11 Speaker 02 Uh, yes, I have a couple of truck cars things. So right now, so we're filming this on Wednesday. By the time this airs, this will be over, but my, the, my friend's Boxer listing has been doing well. Yeah, it's at nineteen thousand dollars as of the moment.
54:22 Speaker 03 It was at fifteen when we started filming this podcast.
54:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's, it's really been moving along, but I mean, it's an unbelievably nice example. And my friend Brian has done just an incredible job documenting it and like, I genuinely mean this. Like, I'm not just saying because I'm helping represent it, but like, if I didn't want a Viper, I probably would have bought this and then I would have just one upped you. I would, I would have been very happy to just pull up along you and your nine eleven.
54:43 Speaker 03 Careful with your language choice.
54:44 Doug DeMuro? It is pretty common to be deciding between a nine eight six Boxer and a Viper. And so I understand.
54:51 Speaker 02 I fall in love with nice examples of things. Like when I see something that's nice and cared for, I just love that story.
54:56 Speaker 03 That's why you love my wagon.
54:58 Doug DeMuro? Do you?
54:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, uh, yeah, it's just.
55:01 Doug DeMuro? Do you fall in love with nice examples of things?
55:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, of course.
55:03 Doug DeMuro? Because if so.
55:04 Speaker 03 Where's this going?
55:05 Speaker 02 I don't know. I'm really worried.
55:07 Doug DeMuro? Right now, over on the cars and bids there.
55:10 Speaker 02 Cars and bids.
55:11 Doug DeMuro? Can you pull up, uh, go to the cars and bids and type in classic? Just the word classic. Cause right now we have live that is a nice, click on that.
55:20 Speaker 02 Yes.
55:21 Doug DeMuro? We have live right now, this is a forty five hundred mile example of the Toyota Classic.
55:26 Speaker 03 Yes.
55:27 Doug DeMuro? Uh, now, Kenner, you have previously told us that you like nice things.
55:31 Speaker 02 I say I fall in love with nice things and my heart is only so large.
55:37 Doug DeMuro? This is so cool. It's on a Hilux platform.
55:39 Speaker 02 I think it's actually pretty cool. The best part about it to me is that Toyota logo, like a Mercedes logo on the front, just sticking up proud on the hood.
55:46 Doug DeMuro? Did I tell the story of this car on this podcast?
55:48 Speaker 02 No.
55:48 Doug DeMuro? The history of this car?
55:49 Speaker 02 No.
55:50 Doug DeMuro? All right, Toyota. I'm sorry to interrupt the Boxer.
55:53 Speaker 02 I will come back.
55:54 Doug DeMuro? Toyota, we all know Toyota. They manufacture a lot of great cars and also my Republican SUV. And not Republican, mega Republican.
56:02 Speaker 02 Someone say, "A lot of great cars."
56:05 Doug DeMuro? So Toyota had become a car company in whatever year, 1920, whatever. And it's they're coming up on their 75th or their 100th or whatever birthday.
56:14 Speaker 03 Sixty.
56:14 Doug DeMuro? And they're, you know this story?
56:16 Speaker 03 No, but I'm reading sixty.
56:17 Doug DeMuro? And they're like, they're like, we really want to find a good example for our birthday of the very first car that we ever made. Do you know this story? They want to find the very, a good example of the first car they ever made. It was this Toyota and it looked like a Chrysler airflow, similar to this. And they, they made it like a 200 of them total in the whole world. And they were like, let's find a good example of the car.
56:38 Speaker 03 Yep.
56:39 Doug DeMuro? So we can show it off, the model, the AA, that's what it was called. Let's, so we can show this car off at our birthday celebrations. So they start looking and looking and looking. Two years later, they never found an example of their first car.
56:52 Speaker 03 Not one survived.
56:53 Doug DeMuro? So what they decided to do was using as many photos and, and documents as they could find, they recreated, and this isn't it, this was a, this was a modern homage to the car. But they recreated one example that was really perfect of a model AA. And then the birthday happened, came and went, and then they found one in a barn in Russia. And type, type it in, the only one that's photographed is, is going to be the ugly one that shows up from the barn. Uh, yeah, there it is. The car had been mounted on a different frame and used different wheels, but the body, this was agreed by all parties
57:35 Doug DeMuro? to be a Toyota model AA, the only surviving Toyota model AA.
57:40 Speaker 03 Wow.
57:41 Doug DeMuro? And the Russians who found it in their barn, sold it for hundreds of thousands of dollars to, I think the Toyota distributor in the Netherlands, and it's, it's in a museum, I think, in the Netherlands or Belgium or something like that. But
57:53 Speaker 03 Wow.
57:53 Doug DeMuro? After many years of searching, Toyota couldn't find the first, their first car, only for it to turn up later in a barn in Russia. No one knows how, no one knows why. Anyway, this is intended to be a modern day kind of take on, I actually saw one of these when I was in Tokyo many years ago.
58:12 Speaker 03 Built by Toyota Technocrift.
58:14 Doug DeMuro? What is your, so you like nice examples? Here you go.
58:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm good.
58:17 Doug DeMuro? It's on a Hilux chassis? What motor's in it?
58:19 Speaker 03 Uh, a two liter four cylinder.
58:22 Doug DeMuro? It's looks like pretty weak tires too, but if it's on a Hilux chassis, you know what you could do.
58:25 Speaker 03 You could do real things.
58:29 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, Ken, the Boxer's up.
58:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, the Boxer's up and is performing quite well, but I also have, so I have another friend who wanted me to help him sell his cars. It's coming out like
58:37 Doug DeMuro? The word's out.
58:38 Speaker 02 Very quick in quick succession. So this is my friend's car. So this is a very different car. I don't think people are cross shopping the two of these. And I've been working on this for like a week or so. So like the timing is like, just kind of what it is, but this is a Ferrari California T, but specifically it's a 70th anniversary model. Do you remember these cars?
58:55 Doug DeMuro? No.
58:56 Speaker 02 So to celebrate their birthday, their 70th birthday, Ferrari decided they wanted to create an homage to 70 iconic liveries from their past, you know, very famous color combinations. And they decided to build one of each model in the range using that color combination. So there were five models. It was the GTC4 Luso, the 488 GTB, the Spider, the F12 and the California T. And so they built 350 of these cars and technically each of them is a one of one because they would do one example of each livery and go now.
59:23 Doug DeMuro? So this is the Cali 270 of this colorway.
59:26 Speaker 02 Exactly.
59:27 Doug DeMuro? Whatever it was trying to pay homage.
59:28 Speaker 02 Yes, the 206 Dino, the one that Glickenhause has.
59:31 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah.
59:31 Speaker 02 Because this has the blue carpets and all that stuff. And what's interesting is like, if you bought one of these cars from Ferrari, my friend bought this car brand new, actually bought two of them. This one in a different California T, in a different livery, but when you bought them, you didn't option the car.
59:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
59:44 Speaker 02 Ferrari did all of it. They specced all of it through their tailor made program, which is like their sunderwunsch, like the equivalent.
59:50 Doug DeMuro? Put on the tailor made badge?
59:51 Speaker 02 Yeah. So the, this is the, just like a video to it. But yeah, the tailor made badge says like exactly which car it's inspired by. It says one of one, which Ferrari, you know, kind of plays a little fast and loose with production numbers, but like they actually call it out a one of one. No, this one, these definitely are one of one. But what's, what's fascinating is the market values these at an unbelievably high rate because when you think about it, there are no collectible versions of the California T. The F12 has the TDF, but like they're just like the GTC4 Luso, there was nothing like that.
1:00:19 Doug DeMuro? So this car's only got 1500 miles.
1:00:21 Speaker 02 1500 miles, classic case certification, which for a new Ferrari, I realized is like, you know, I mean, it was new, but like even so, like go underneath it, there are pictures of the transmission numbers and all this stuff. And it's just like an amazing car. So I'm trying, so. Also, one last thing about this. Well, my friend went to Italy, to the factory. He went to the class, to the, um, to the tailor-made division to check things out. And they went and pulled the files on his car, so he could see it.
1:00:45 Doug DeMuro? Oh, cool.
1:00:45 Speaker 02 The level of detail they go into, I didn't realize. Like, they have, like, the gauge of the thread that was used for the stitching, how wide everything has to be. This particular color, which is Jallo Tripro Strada, which is used on other Ferraris. They have five internal shades they don't tell people about. They just kind of pick them. They picked the shade for this car and they have the exact pink mixture that's required for it. So if it needs anything ever, like Ferrari has all this information, which I had no idea.
1:01:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it looks, I mean, it looks amazing, that color.
1:01:12 Speaker 02 And if you click through and listen, yeah, this is obviously a really cool picture. Um, but if you click through the, um, X-ray pictures of the car, like we're taking outside, it just goes wah in the sun. So I did a video on this car. It's up for San Antonio and that's where he has it stored right now.
1:01:26 Doug DeMuro? You're agreeing to present my wagon for me, right?
1:01:29 Speaker 02 Your wagon? You want help with your wagon? I'm gonna be honest about every flaw. This car has 1500 miles and I only found two flaws on it. Your car, I'm gonna find some stuff, so.
1:01:37 Doug DeMuro? Kenan is presenting cars. Kenan is great at this. And we got the Boxer, we have his own cars he's had been successful with. He's got this California.
1:01:44 Speaker 03 I can't break that record.
1:01:45 Speaker 02 Again, a couple of people reached out and like, I do love doing this. It is really fun. And I just want, I truly, genuinely just want to help these, like, good cars find, like, good homes. And I believe in our platform to do it and I'm happy to do this.
1:01:57 Doug DeMuro? Boom, take that.
1:01:58 Speaker 02 What you doing?
1:01:59 Doug DeMuro? Uh, on that subject, I want to move on to the market report. I want to talk about our platform. Um, the market report is brought to you by Cars and Friends, our second podcast. If you like Cars and Bids, but you want friends, go over to Cars and Friends.
1:02:13 Speaker 03 It comes out every Monday on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel and on Spotify.
1:02:17 Doug DeMuro? Who are the friends? It's Ryan Lopez?
1:02:19 Speaker 03 It's often, it's usually me, Kenan, Ryan, Nick.
1:02:22 Doug DeMuro? Ryan Lopez is part of it?
1:02:23 Speaker 03 Usually.
1:02:24 Speaker 02 Sometimes, yeah.
1:02:24 Doug DeMuro? Folks, if you tune in this week, Ryan Lopez will tell you the story about how he crashed a Mark IV Supra. It's gonna be great stuff.
1:02:31 Speaker 02 He was so hot from not having his air conditioning fixed, he just lost control.
1:02:34 Speaker 03 Um, none of this happened, thankfully.
1:02:36 Doug DeMuro? I, uh, I want to talk about 991s.
1:02:39 Speaker 03 I, I removed that from my list because I felt like we talked about 991s too much.
1:02:44 Doug DeMuro? And I actually wonder if we had, we had, there's this short going around that blew up, that we were like, 991s are gonna be the 993 of the modern era.
1:02:51 Speaker 02 You said this.
1:02:52 Doug DeMuro? I agree with that still.
1:02:53 Speaker 03 You said that, because I don't agree with that.
1:02:54 Speaker 02 I don't agree with it. I said the 997. It's the modern.
1:02:56 Doug DeMuro? The market agrees with me.
1:02:58 Speaker 03 No, 997.2.
1:02:59 Speaker 02 I don't agree with that, yeah. 991s are high.
1:03:01 Doug DeMuro? 991s are 85.
1:03:05 Speaker 03 Well, we sold a couple.
1:03:06 Doug DeMuro? The market is.
1:03:07 Speaker 02 Look at this. There's a 20,000 mile S for it sold for 74.
1:03:11 Doug DeMuro? Do you know what a 20,000 mile 991S was sold for right now?
1:03:15 Speaker 03 It's also, it's also seven years newer.
1:03:17 Doug DeMuro? This is a base. These are base cars.
1:03:19 Speaker 03 I know. The one with 57,000 miles.
1:03:21 Doug DeMuro? This car with 57,000 miles sold for 80 plus. The one we sold today was a tip and it sold for 79.
1:03:27 Speaker 03 I know. The 991s are up.
1:03:29 Doug DeMuro? Filippo.
1:03:30 Speaker 03 991s are up more, but 991s are up.
1:03:33 Doug DeMuro? Up more relative, but 991s never went down. It is wild to me what this market looks like.
1:03:38 Speaker 03 I know. I can't believe the number one. I, I do suspect there aren't that many 991.2 sales that I find interesting because they're mostly PDK. I wonder though, whether they're lower because those are the turbocharged 3 liter and instead of the.
1:03:51 Doug DeMuro? Regardless, the 991.1, the market is absolutely treating it like it's the end of an era.
1:03:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:57 Doug DeMuro? Like I predicted.
1:03:58 Speaker 03 It is.
1:03:58 Speaker 02 The dot twos are not that much though, actually.
1:04:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but they're way newer.
1:04:02 Speaker 03 They're, they're new.
1:04:02 Doug DeMuro? Way newer and they are not crazy money. 991.1s that are like base model cars with mid miles.
1:04:10 Speaker 03 Especially with sticks.
1:04:11 Doug DeMuro? Are selling for, with sticks are selling for like crazy money.
1:04:14 Speaker 03 I agree.
1:04:14 Doug DeMuro? Sean desperately wanted the big wheel brown one and he got so beaten out that he's still crying about it. And then this one, the black one sold for even more with even more miles.
1:04:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:04:24 Speaker 02 And I, but I thought just recently we were talking about how 991s are coming finally.
1:04:29 Speaker 03 They were. I, I said that on a podcast three weeks ago when that was true for the results on Cars and Friends. And then somehow they're ticking back up.
1:04:36 Speaker 02 Because we, because you talked about it.
1:04:38 Doug DeMuro? More than ticking, they're going crazy.
1:04:39 Speaker 02 The commenters are right. We overhyped it and now they're going up.
1:04:41 Doug DeMuro? I am astonished at that market.
1:04:43 Speaker 03 Convertible PDKs, by the way, are an exception. So if you want a 991 convertible PDK, you can get a good value.
1:04:50 Speaker 02 The cheat code with all 911s is the cab. If you want a good value, you get the cab. They're always so much cheaper.
1:04:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, but it's PDK on like.
1:04:55 Speaker 02 I still would love a 991.1 tip as like a daily.
1:04:59 Speaker 03 Buy a tip cabriolet. They're 50 grand.
1:05:02 Speaker 02 It's not going to go down at all.
1:05:03 Speaker 03 I can't imagine going down more than that. No.
1:05:05 Speaker 02 It's NA.
1:05:06 Speaker 03 Well, but you should consider it truly.
1:05:08 Doug DeMuro? By the way, you know what car, you know what car was, was cheap? Go to. Pull up, press up, press up, type up, right up, press up.
1:05:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:13 Doug DeMuro? DB11.
1:05:15 Speaker 03 Oh, I saw that result.
1:05:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:05:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:18 Doug DeMuro? So this car had a salvage title and so it didn't, it didn't sell.
1:05:21 Speaker 02 The colors were for those of us who are.
1:05:23 Doug DeMuro? Bad colors. But 51.5, now it didn't sell, okay?
1:05:27 Speaker 02 But the market felt.
1:05:28 Doug DeMuro? The market views a salvage title DB11 with only 10,000 miles to be worth 50. And I'm sitting here looking at 991s with 60,000 miles selling for 80. And by the way, this is true over on Bring the Trailer also, it's, they're all, the 991 market's crazy. DB11s, you want to bargain, you go pick up a DB11. Are these V12s? No, that, that, the one that sold for. This one wasn't, but is this one? The one that sold for 80 is not a V12. Yeah.
1:05:50 Speaker 02 But can I, along that train of thought, can I talk about a V12 Aston? So I think that, I have said on the Cars and the Buds.
1:05:59 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
1:06:00 Speaker 02 Uh, that I think that V12 Astons, I think Astons in general are undervalued. I still cannot believe that these Vantage S's are so cheap for what they are. I think all Aston Martins offer unbelievable value and incredible performance. It's a hundred grand, yeah, but a manual one is more than double that. I know this is an automatic, but like huge, giant 560.
1:06:19 Doug DeMuro? You don't think a hundred for a 9,000 mile tip is like? It seems about right where I would, is expected to be.
1:06:24 Speaker 03 It feels a little more than I would personally.
1:06:26 Speaker 02 I think it's, it's such a special car.
1:06:28 Doug DeMuro? That number is, is really impressive. Why did that car sell so cheap?
1:06:30 Speaker 02 A lot of miles, I think it had tons of miles on it.
1:06:33 Doug DeMuro? Seventy, seventy-three thousand miles.
1:06:34 Speaker 02 But even so, like, I would happily buy this car. I just think Astons, like in general, are really, offer an incredible experience.
1:06:41 Doug DeMuro? I agree with that.
1:06:41 Speaker 02 Not, I mean, it's a lot of money, but it's not a lot.
1:06:44 Doug DeMuro? A V12 in a car this size is pretty legit.
1:06:46 Speaker 02 That's unbelievable.
1:06:47 Doug DeMuro? 565 horsepower is pretty cool, especially with a stick for 85, that was a.
1:06:50 Speaker 02 That was, and it was not an S. The S's are like $250,000 cars.
1:06:54 Doug DeMuro? Um, you want to talk about the RS2? Pull it up. No, I actually. Pull up the RS2.
1:06:57 Speaker 03 Really want to talk about the Corolla XRS.
1:06:59 Doug DeMuro? Pull up the RS2 first.
1:07:00 Speaker 03 No, no, go to, go to the RS2 first.
1:07:02 Doug DeMuro? So I want to tell you a story about the RS2. Anybody who's not selling wagons on Cars and Bids is insane. This RS2 went over on the Bring the Trailer and sold for, and R&M for a fraction of its actual worth, if we're being honest, and came over to the Cars and the Bids and sold for all the money that it absolutely deserved, because it's cool as hell. Cars and Bids is so clearly the wagon place.
1:07:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:25 Doug DeMuro? And, um, it's just true. And this car proves it. Seventy, seventy-five.
1:07:29 Speaker 03 Fifty-three percent more than the prior.
1:07:31 Doug DeMuro? Result over on the trailer place. This car is, I still think it's cool and it still uses Porsche mirrors after all this time.
1:07:39 Speaker 02 And wheels.
1:07:40 Doug DeMuro? And wheels and turn signals and a lot of other stuff.
1:07:43 Speaker 03 It's still a cool car.
1:07:43 Speaker 02 And uh.
1:07:44 Speaker 03 You want one, don't you? Uh, I realized when thinking about this car that I don't.
1:07:50 Doug DeMuro? You don't want much.
1:07:51 Speaker 03 But I did like yours a lot.
1:07:51 Doug DeMuro? You want the Corolla XRS.
1:07:52 Speaker 03 I do. Okay, we have a Corolla XRS.
1:07:54 Doug DeMuro? You know what this car is?
1:07:55 Speaker 03 The one that's live, the one that's live.
1:07:56 Speaker 02 No.
1:07:56 Speaker 03 We just gotta talk about it.
1:07:57 Doug DeMuro? For a brief period, I think there may have actually been two generations. Toyota took the, the four cylinder engine that was in the Lotus Elise and other Toyotas. Like the Matrix XRS and the Vibe GT and they put it in a Corolla. And from the outside, it basically can't be told apart. There's a couple of ways that guys like me and Filippo can tell.
1:08:17 Speaker 02 How? Is it the?
1:08:19 Doug DeMuro? It had its own wheels. The bumpers were a little different. It had a spoiler, minor though, because the regular Corolla S also had this stuff. It was just a little different.
1:08:26 Speaker 03 The spoiler was a little worse than this.
1:08:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah.
1:08:30 Speaker 03 Um, it's such a cool car. This has got to be the nicest, single nicest one in existence.
1:08:33 Doug DeMuro? You've got to assume dynamically. It's not that great.
1:08:35 Speaker 03 Who cares?
1:08:36 Doug DeMuro? I know, because the power, that powertrain, I had that powertrain in the Elise. It is so good.
1:08:40 Speaker 03 Looks good. I don't like this Russian Corolla very much, but somehow this.
1:08:43 Doug DeMuro? Really? This isn't your favorite gen Corolla?
1:08:45 Speaker 03 No, my wife actually had one for a bit. Um.
1:08:48 Doug DeMuro? What's your favorite gen Corolla? This is my favorite. Oh, three to oh eight.
1:08:53 Speaker 03 The one before it.
1:08:55 Doug DeMuro? Really?
1:08:56 Speaker 03 There was also Chevy Prism, yeah.
1:08:57 Doug DeMuro? That was such a mediocre car.
1:08:59 Speaker 03 It was a better car, I think.
1:09:00 Speaker 02 That's the kind of car you.
1:09:01 Speaker 03 I find this.
1:09:01 Speaker 02 But that's the kind of car he wants is raucously mediocre.
1:09:04 Doug DeMuro? The current Corolla is pretty damn good.
1:09:06 Speaker 03 It's a good car.
1:09:06 Doug DeMuro? Um, is this your favorite Corolla? The current Corolla with the hybrid is hard to argue against, to be honest. It's a damn good car.
1:09:13 Speaker 03 Here's a fun fact.
1:09:13 Speaker 02 This is, I'm sorry.
1:09:15 Speaker 03 No, please.
1:09:15 Speaker 02 This is the kind of car I love that's been like well kept. Like this, it's.
1:09:18 Doug DeMuro? Well, Kenan.
1:09:19 Speaker 02 This is beautiful.
1:09:20 Speaker 03 This has 21,000 miles. It's got the manual. It's got the, the 2ZZ. It's unmodified. It's in Arizona.
1:09:26 Speaker 02 You have never owned a Japanese car.
1:09:27 Doug DeMuro? This motor in the Elise was so good. You'd be on it and you'd be going fast and then the, the, the, it kicks in at this like super hard, the variable bottom thing kicks in. There's a super high rev and then it goes even faster and it was like.
1:09:39 Speaker 02 Now granted, this is front wheel drive, has four doors, is heavier and it's.
1:09:43 Doug DeMuro? It also has.
1:09:43 Speaker 02 Dynamic is the Elise, but the heart beats the same.
1:09:46 Doug DeMuro? Let me make a suggestion though. You could convert it to mid-engine rear wheel drive. It's already been done. It's gotta be possible.
1:09:53 Speaker 02 Just a couple of cold ones.
1:09:57 Speaker 03 Underneath the rear seats, obviously.
1:10:00 Doug DeMuro? Hey dude, they did it in the MR2 also.
1:10:01 Speaker 03 Yep, this is so, truly, this is so cool. Here's a fun fact, I drove a Corolla S of this gen, automatic, to your wedding.
1:10:08 Doug DeMuro? Oh, how beautiful.
1:10:09 Speaker 03 Fun fact, but this is a cool, cool car.
1:10:11 Doug DeMuro? I've always found this car cool, I agree with you, never seen him.
1:10:14 Speaker 02 Oh, this has a reserve, I was gonna say you should bid on it.
1:10:16 Speaker 03 I would, except for the fact that it has a reserve.
1:10:19 Doug DeMuro? Yep, that's the one, that's the thing that's happened yet.
1:10:22 Speaker 03 No, but it's so cool.
1:10:24 Doug DeMuro? This is well kept and the El Monte thing is a nice touch, uh, go bid on this Corolla XRS.
1:10:28 Speaker 03 It's so nice.
1:10:29 Doug DeMuro? Um, your Z3M commentary is, I agree with you completely, pull that up.
1:10:32 Speaker 02 Yes, I don't understand this, so when Porsches come up in unusual colors, they sell for a gazillion dollars.
1:10:40 Doug DeMuro? It's fluff and gluff and gray, I've never seen anything like this color before.
1:10:45 Speaker 02 Exactly, it comes to market, rent list goes absolutely insane and people lose their minds. BMW Z3s, this is not the same, now this color is evergreen, this is on the Z3M, it was offered on the car.
1:10:54 Doug DeMuro? You know this color?
1:10:55 Speaker 03 I do.
1:10:55 Doug DeMuro? It's nuts, there are even lesser colors on the Z3, but this one's out there.
1:10:59 Speaker 02 This one is out.
1:10:59 Doug DeMuro? Look at the interior.
1:11:00 Speaker 02 That's the real thing, so it's green on green, which is outrageous, and if there were 964 in this color combination.
1:11:07 Doug DeMuro? Oh, in 2X, 2X the value of a regular car.
1:11:09 Speaker 02 Easy, 993 would absolutely.
1:11:10 Doug DeMuro? It had no premium, it had no premium.
1:11:12 Speaker 03 No, that's not true, it has a 30% premium over a regular color.
1:11:15 Doug DeMuro? What do you mean?
1:11:16 Speaker 02 I mean, look, this one is red.
1:11:17 Speaker 03 Well, that has, that has half the miles and isn't, doesn't have a clerical issue.
1:11:21 Doug DeMuro? What was the mileage on this one? I will also say, this one is in Maine, which always.
1:11:23 Speaker 02 It's about 56,000 miles.
1:11:25 Speaker 03 Miles shown, there's a clerical error, but you know, you.
1:11:27 Speaker 02 The 56,000 miles shown, this one had 192.
1:11:30 Speaker 03 These are reliable.
1:11:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they are.
1:11:32 Speaker 03 I think that's truly.
1:11:33 Speaker 02 That's 52.
1:11:33 Speaker 03 It's like an 18,000 to $21,000 range there.
1:11:37 Doug DeMuro? Nonetheless, I completely agree with him that this does not add.
1:11:41 Speaker 02 How much did it weigh, this one?
1:11:42 Speaker 03 Remember the Boxster?
1:11:43 Speaker 02 Look at 78,000 miles on this one. Yeah, but it's about the same.
1:11:46 Speaker 03 Good color to special color is a 30% difference.
1:11:49 Speaker 02 Oh, okay, Mr. Percentage, it is a negligible difference.
1:11:54 Doug DeMuro? What, what did this sell for?
1:11:55 Speaker 03 76,000.
1:11:55 Doug DeMuro? How many miles was it on?
1:11:56 Speaker 02 This one had, uh, this one had 78,000 miles, so about the same.
1:11:59 Doug DeMuro? The other one was 56, and also 17 to 21 is not 30%. It's something close, what are you talking about?
1:12:06 Speaker 03 I was adding a grand on top, I was rounding.
1:12:09 Speaker 02 Money is nothing to Filippo.
1:12:12 Speaker 03 Twenty-five percent.
1:12:13 Doug DeMuro? He was wrong about the mileage and the price. He's doing great.
1:12:15 Speaker 03 It's like twenty-six percent around.
1:12:17 Speaker 02 I think my point stands. Like, I mean, we sold another one. I mean, this one down here.
1:12:20 Speaker 03 No, you're right. I don't disagree with that.
1:12:21 Speaker 02 It's like seventeen.
1:12:22 Doug DeMuro? What's that heinous color? You know the one I'm talking about?
1:12:25 Speaker 03 The tannish one?
1:12:26 Doug DeMuro? There was, no, it was like pistachio. Was that it? It was absolutely decrepitly terrible.
1:12:31 Speaker 03 We've sold one that color, I swear.
1:12:32 Doug DeMuro? We've sold one or two in that. And remember that military green? Or that was on the Z4?
1:12:36 Speaker 03 Wow, that evergreen one failed to sell at twenty-three grand with no miles. All right, maybe there is no premium at all.
1:12:42 Doug DeMuro? They don't care. There's no premium on it. People don't care. And I think it is a course hell color.
1:12:46 Speaker 03 They're all colors, you know? All the Z, all the good Z3s.
1:12:48 Doug DeMuro? Not all of them. A lot of them are silver. A lot of them are silver. Or red.
1:12:52 Speaker 03 Remember when we sold that nine-eight-six Boxer, pre-Boxer hype? That was nephrite green and whatever.
1:12:57 Doug DeMuro? With the same interior.
1:12:58 Speaker 03 That also didn't have a strong premium.
1:13:00 Doug DeMuro? No.
1:13:02 Speaker 03 People for these cars, these are cheap and disposable. Like, you want the one you want. There's gonna be a little bit more demand.
1:13:06 Doug DeMuro? We have auctioned two-hundred-and-sixty-three Z3s. If you just type in Z3.
1:13:11 Speaker 03 Z3, wow, that.
1:13:11 Doug DeMuro? Z3s are interesting to me because they were all kept as second cars, so it's very easy to find them with low miles. They very rarely have miles.
1:13:20 Speaker 02 Actually, this is a great one to buy. The three-liter. Also, they don't weigh much at all.
1:13:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:13:25 Speaker 02 So even if you just get the three-liter, not the M, which the M54, M54 is a very reliable motor.
1:13:31 Doug DeMuro? Yep, had one.
1:13:32 Speaker 02 This is a really great car.
1:13:33 Doug DeMuro? They are dynamically actually pretty good.
1:13:35 Speaker 02 The difference was yours was in an SUV that it could barely move out of its way. This is a little sports car.
1:13:39 Speaker 03 My idea was.
1:13:40 Doug DeMuro? The motor was reliable.
1:13:41 Speaker 03 The motor, after I fixed it, was reliable, yes.
1:13:43 Doug DeMuro? I think these Z3s are all generally pretty good bargains.
1:13:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:13:46 Doug DeMuro? But it is interesting, like, they're all, they, they, like you said, they're pretty tossable. They're, they're, in there, they all have basically low mileage. The, the three liters came in the late ones. You can get an M.
1:13:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, they, yeah, and, yeah, you get the S54 if you want to go crazy. I realize they do have their shortcomings, you know, they do have the subframe issue like the M3 did, but.
1:14:03 Doug DeMuro? All the Z3s have that?
1:14:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:14:05 Doug DeMuro? Well, go back, go back to Z3 in general and go to oldest first. Is that a thing we do?
1:14:09 Speaker 03 We do not do oldest first.
1:14:10 Doug DeMuro? Cause I wanted James Bond one.
1:14:12 Speaker 02 Oh, you want the one, was the one point?
1:14:14 Doug DeMuro? End it ninety-eight. End it ninety-eight.
1:14:15 Speaker 02 Okay, that was like, the James.
1:14:17 Doug DeMuro? I only want to look at that James Bond color.
1:14:20 Speaker 03 You remember what I'm talking about?
1:14:21 Speaker 02 I do.
1:14:21 Doug DeMuro? You know, that car was in like one scene in that movie.
1:14:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:14:24 Doug DeMuro? Oh, there it is.
1:14:25 Speaker 02 There it is, that blue. One-point-nine.
1:14:27 Doug DeMuro? One-point-nine. That thing's probably a dog, but it's six grand. That's a pretty good deal.
1:14:35 Speaker 03 That is pretty good.
1:14:36 Doug DeMuro? To be James Bond. You could be James Bond for six grand, dude.
1:14:39 Speaker 03 A Bond car for six grand.
1:14:40 Doug DeMuro? It's every dream you've ever had.
1:14:41 Speaker 03 I've never cared.
1:14:42 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, we gotta move on to questions. Uh, the questions were not good this week.
1:14:46 Speaker 03 Oh, yikes.
1:14:48 Doug DeMuro? Give us good questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab. There will be a post in podcast questions that says, please give us your questions. If you're listening to this right now and you're thinking, I can do better than these questions, then do. Do better than these questions. Give us the good stuff, people. We like good questions. Not what car should I get? Not if you could import any car or if you could have any automaker build you anything. Those are too broad, too. Give us the good stuff. That question last week about the Fast and the Furious, what cars would replace the car? It was the best question I've ever done.
1:15:18 Speaker 03 It was acceptable. It was a good one.
1:15:19 Doug DeMuro? Dear, uh, question from Glenn Hamine. Uh, dear Ken and Filippo and Doug, what cars have you had that your partners have hated? And did their opinion cause you to eventually get rid of the car? This is only applicable to you.
1:15:31 Speaker 03 Cause your partner has never hated a car.
1:15:33 Doug DeMuro? My partner doesn't know what cars I have currently.
1:15:34 Speaker 03 Um.
1:15:35 Doug DeMuro? To be honest.
1:15:38 Doug DeMuro? Guarantee it.
1:15:40 Speaker 03 My wife didn't love the X5. That's cause I didn't really let her drive it because I was worried it would break down. And to be fair, it did. Often. Uh, this is battery issues and also rust issues and brake lines issues. It was the whole thing.
1:15:53 Speaker 02 You bought a good one.
1:15:54 Speaker 03 Uh, she did not.
1:15:56 Doug DeMuro? It's typical Filippo.
1:15:56 Speaker 03 She really did not like the NB Miata that we had. She felt that was too small. Uh, like, just like a little too rickety and small.
1:16:04 Doug DeMuro? What cars does she like? What does she like there?
1:16:06 Speaker 03 She loves the GTI. Surprisingly loves it. And she'd otherwise been fine with it.
1:16:11 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna get rid of that GTI that she loves? Why not get rid of the station wagon?
1:16:13 Speaker 03 Cause it's not, the GTI is not quite big enough. Truly, it's not.
1:16:17 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. So you need some size. You got that pickup truck now.
1:16:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, but we often need seven seats.
1:16:21 Doug DeMuro? Did you see this last night?
1:16:22 Speaker 02 A spare wheel, right?
1:16:23 Doug DeMuro? No, I'm gonna tell you what's in the back. I'm gonna tell you what's in the back. There's two spare wheels and a cinder block.
1:16:29 Speaker 03 And?
1:16:29 Speaker 02 Hell yeah.
1:16:30 Speaker 03 And two four masts.
1:16:31 Doug DeMuro? And two rubber floor mats.
1:16:32 Speaker 02 That's exactly what I was hoping.
1:16:34 Speaker 03 And I want you to know that I spent a long time before it got shipped here.
1:16:36 Doug DeMuro? Curating what should go in the back.
1:16:38 Speaker 02 You know, and his wheels, he has two white wheels and two black wheels, and they're on opposite corners from one another.
1:16:43 Doug DeMuro? Honestly, yeah, right. That's a mistake.
1:16:45 Speaker 03 New wheels coming.
1:16:46 Doug DeMuro? The way to do mismatched wheels is put them on the same side, and that way no one really realizes.
1:16:50 Speaker 03 There's gonna be new wheels soon because there's sixteen and a half inch wheels and really hard to find tires for it.
1:16:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but you can buy bolt patterned a different size.
1:16:58 Speaker 03 I know, that's what's gonna happen.
1:16:59 Doug DeMuro? He's driving around with this dry rotted thing.
1:17:00 Speaker 03 I'm not driving it around. We live close.
1:17:03 Speaker 02 Curious the other day, because also your 911 wheels are bad. They're badly refinished.
1:17:07 Speaker 03 They're slightly off color, yes.
1:17:09 Speaker 02 He could just buy another set. He just buy another set. They're not expensive. It's like fifteen hundred dollars. You could buy another set, just put them on and be done. Instead, you're just gonna mess around and not refinish your wheels.
1:17:18 Speaker 03 No, I'm gonna get it refinished. Here's the difference.
1:17:19 Speaker 02 You will never.
1:17:20 Speaker 03 Here's the difference between you guys and I. I drive my car, and I don't want to give up driving it.
1:17:25 Speaker 02 I drive my car way.
1:17:26 Speaker 03 I don't want to give up driving it.
1:17:27 Doug DeMuro? You will never. You were just out of town for two weeks.
1:17:29 Speaker 02 And right now you have.
1:17:30 Doug DeMuro? Two weeks. Oh, yeah. Well, it doesn't count. All right. Next question from T. Stefan to Kenan. Do you have any answers for this?
1:17:38 Speaker 02 Uh, no. Emily drives an M3 CRT. She drives cooler cars than I do.
1:17:40 Speaker 03 Emily has an M3 CRT.
1:17:41 Doug DeMuro? Yep. Uh, T. Stefan, six seventy-two. Dear Doug, as a lover of E-Class wagons, would you ever buy the one-off E400 four by four squared if it became available? The amount that I have thought about this car.
1:17:53 Speaker 03 Pull it up, Kenan.
1:17:54 Doug DeMuro? Pull up the E-Class wagon four by four squared.
1:17:57 Speaker 03 It's not sold ever.
1:17:58 Doug DeMuro? Now, I know what you're thinking, Kenan. You're thinking they didn't make an E-Class wagon four by four squared? Oh, but they did.
1:18:05 Speaker 02 They did as a concept?
1:18:07 Doug DeMuro? Photos exist. It was a concept. I think Johnny Lieberman like drove it or something.
1:18:11 Speaker 02 That picture.
1:18:11 Doug DeMuro? I'm dead serious. I'm not. Look at this picture. That's the car we have. I'm dead serious. If I could buy this car, I would pay deep money for it. I'm not. I'm like real hundreds of thousands of dollars to have this car.
1:18:25 Speaker 03 It'd be so cool. It's like a squared G-Wagon without the issues.
1:18:29 Doug DeMuro? It's so cool. They made one. I don't know why. I think when the, when this body of E-Class wagon came out to like add a little height.
1:18:37 Speaker 03 It's just like you're altering.
1:18:39 Doug DeMuro? I think it's the coolest thing in the world. I think very often about how I want this car, like very often about how I want this car. And, um, they never actually brought it to market, which I think was a mistake. I think it was sold.
1:18:53 Speaker 03 Imagine the engineering necessary to make it.
1:18:55 Doug DeMuro? Well, you made one to make 80. Come on.
1:18:58 Speaker 02 I love they let their engineers do stuff like this, though. That's very cool.
1:19:01 Doug DeMuro? You could do this. Yeah, no, I mean, I would, I would have a conversation if there's an off-road shop out there that really believes we can get this done.
1:19:10 Speaker 02 Oh, screw that.
1:19:10 Doug DeMuro? I would have a conversation.
1:19:11 Speaker 02 Take it to Phil Chung. Have him spend the weekend with you.
1:19:14 Doug DeMuro? There's not an off-road shop up there.
1:19:16 Speaker 03 Can I make a suggestion? So body on frame vehicles. It's a body on top of a frame. Your Sequoia is a body on frame vehicle.
1:19:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah.
1:19:22 Speaker 03 Put a different body on it.
1:19:24 Doug DeMuro? I don't think the E400 is a different bot, is a body on frame vehicle.
1:19:27 Speaker 03 Well, no, but I'm saying you don't like the image of the Sequoia, but you like the capability of the Sequoia.
1:19:31 Doug DeMuro? Just put a different body on it. That is, that's what, back in the 20s, in the hot rod days, that's what people did.
1:19:38 Speaker 03 I would have some concerns about crash rigidity, but it's dual.
1:19:42 Doug DeMuro? These days, I don't think that with electronics and sizing and such, I don't think that exists as much, although with those electronic, the electric vehicle skateboard chassis, it may. I'm telling you, if anyone's listening to this pod from Mercedes Benz, MB USA, MB Global, if you can sell me this car, and I know you can't, because I think it's too.
1:20:00 Speaker 02 Why didn't they do this?
1:20:02 Doug DeMuro? I think it's too new to import.
1:20:04 Speaker 03 Thing.
1:20:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, but this is so much cooler than what they actually built.
1:20:07 Speaker 03 I know, but it's not always true.
1:20:08 Doug DeMuro? Look at that. I would, I would use it. I would drive it. I'd put it on Instagram. This is sitting in a garage somewhere in Stu.
1:20:15 Speaker 02 Exactly. It's in an underground garage, right?
1:20:17 Doug DeMuro? It's in an underground garage in Stu Kar, and nobody's thought about it in two and a half years. And I'm sitting here every day wanting it.
1:20:22 Speaker 02 Well.
1:20:23 Doug DeMuro? So like, how, how does that work?
1:20:25 Speaker 02 We have to preserve our heritage.
1:20:26 Speaker 03 Do I want a 213 wagon now?
1:20:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, you do. They're the best cars ever made.
1:20:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, Felipe, yes, you do. We've talked about this many times.
1:20:34 Speaker 03 I never have till now.
1:20:36 Doug DeMuro? Next question from Cheese Lover. I'll deal you in on this one, even though it's for me. Now that Doug has saved Lincoln and Nissan by urging them to make body, uh, boxy off-roaders, it's time to save Maserati. I don't think making the Levante boxy will help. They don't have any off-road credentials and pivoting is expensive. Should they put a new ultra-exclusive Halo car out? If the McPurra had a stick, would it sell? Uh, good questions. Here's how you say Maserati. Number one, you create an off-road SUV.
1:21:00 Speaker 03 I don't, I agree with them that.
1:21:02 Speaker 02 Imagine a Levante, like, off-road, like.
1:21:04 Doug DeMuro? It wouldn't be a Levante. I think any off-road SUV done well would sell. Any, for any brand.
1:21:11 Speaker 03 I just don't think they have any, nobody has interest in.
1:21:13 Doug DeMuro? Exactly. People have interest in a Maserati. And if they could get a Raptor that was a Maserati. Have you been to Miami?
1:21:20 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:21:20 Doug DeMuro? Have you been to Texas? People.
1:21:22 Speaker 03 And if it sounded good as the, as the Trofeo ones do.
1:21:26 Speaker 02 I'd be into that.
1:21:28 Doug DeMuro? You gotta do that. So that's what I would do first and foremost. I'd make it boxy. I wouldn't just lift a Levante. I would make a good car. This already, already were impossible for Maserati.
1:21:36 Speaker 03 I don't know how you make a good looking Maserati styled car. Like the styling languages don't fit.
1:21:41 Doug DeMuro? You go back. You ditch the styling language. It doesn't work. They build trash that no one wants. Start there.
1:21:46 Speaker 02 You go back to the bi-turbo for styling.
1:21:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:21:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21:49 Doug DeMuro? Or the Schumacher.
1:21:49 Speaker 03 Hey, there, Schumacher.
1:21:50 Doug DeMuro? With the wide fenders.
1:21:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21:51 Doug DeMuro? Number two thing you do, and this is what you really do. You have to get enthusiasts back to the brand. The only way to do it is with a real enthusiast car. Yes, you do a manual transmission, mid-engine, good car. Not a depreciation disaster like the McPira. Not a car that only sells to people in Florida who are not sophisticated car enthusiasts. A real car. Manual transmission, real car. You got a manual, real car for the car enthusiast. You got a boxy SUV for the like crazy people. Suddenly you're in business. Now you can sell Schumaches to whoever you want. Boom.
1:22:21 Speaker 03 Can I make a different, give a different answer?
1:22:23 Doug DeMuro? What, what's your answer gonna be? Dumb lease specials like they've been doing for the last 10 year?
1:22:26 Speaker 03 Just don't try. To give up.
1:22:29 Doug DeMuro? Fundamentally. It's so sad because people watching this podcast today don't realize this, but Maserati used to be a stronger brand than Ferrari. Maserati has more heritage than Ferrari.
1:22:37 Speaker 03 Nobody recognizes.
1:22:38 Speaker 02 Well, in the 1950s.
1:22:39 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
1:22:40 Speaker 02 Until they went under in the 1960s for the first time.
1:22:44 Speaker 03 It's a sound of what? When a company.
1:22:45 Doug DeMuro? Uh, no.
1:22:46 Speaker 03 That's success.
1:22:47 Doug DeMuro? My point is that there, there was a time when this brand, yeah.
1:22:51 Speaker 02 There was a time when the Maserati.
1:22:53 Doug DeMuro? 30s, 40s, 50s, they were honestly, they were more legit than Ferrari. Their history goes back longer. They have more race success in that period, period, than, than Ferrari does.
1:23:02 Speaker 02 But Ferrari did it better.
1:23:03 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Well, that's true.
1:23:05 Speaker 02 At the end.
1:23:06 Doug DeMuro? But my point is you don't give up on a storied brand.
1:23:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:23:09 Doug DeMuro? Well, that would be like giving up on Sears or Kmart.
1:23:11 Speaker 03 Or Saab. Oh, well.
1:23:13 Doug DeMuro? Or Pier 1 Imports. What you do is. You massage a storied brand. Yeah.
1:23:22 Speaker 02 I would like to see Maserati be successful. Unlike you, I don't, you just hate nice things. So like for you, you just kind of want the brand to disappear. But I agree with you.
1:23:31 Doug DeMuro? You know what else you do? You win Le Mans.
1:23:33 Speaker 02 You know, and Ferrari has currently been winning Le Mans. So maybe, well, actually all those engineers went to the Formula One team, which they'll lose the championship this year, I'm sure. But, but I think that you're right.
1:23:43 Doug DeMuro? Ferrari's won Le Mans the last two years.
1:23:44 Speaker 03 You know that we've made it so far into the F1 season without talking about F1?
1:23:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but we've been on break all month. There's been a month. You haven't given me updates on Cadillac. My, my, my, my team, my guys, America. Although there's a Mexican involved. What's the story?
1:24:02 Speaker 02 Great Mexican driver. Well, we've been on break for the last month because they're supposed to be the sport. Because there were two races supposed to be in the Middle East and things aren't so great right there, right now. So they decided to cancel the races. We haven't had F1 all April.
1:24:15 Doug DeMuro? You know what doesn't go on break is tennis. Yannick Sinner's out there playing tennis right now. And what's, what's the Mexican fellow driving my Blackwing doing?
1:24:23 Speaker 02 I don't know what, I don't know what anybody is doing right now. I don't know what anybody's doing right now, to be honest with you.
1:24:28 Doug DeMuro? So there's just nothing happening?
1:24:29 Speaker 02 Nothing has happened. The first race is this upcoming weekend.
1:24:32 Doug DeMuro? Where?
1:24:32 Speaker 02 We're back. Is this Miami this weekend?
1:24:33 Doug DeMuro? Do you think, and this is a real question, do you think that during the, the break that's happening because of the Middle East situation, do you think that, that Cadillac has taken that time to retool and it will now be a competitive team?
1:24:44 Speaker 03 They actually came out with a Vegas SUV, it's off-roader. They've just did it on the Escalade platform.
1:24:49 Speaker 02 Right. They just decided tracks, we don't need no tracks. We're gonna just go. No, I mean, it's been, it's a hard start to the season for Cadillac. Not surprisingly, because you know, they're a new team. They got, there's a lot to learn. Formula One is not easy. And so there, it hasn't been the smoothest of starts for Cadillac. But, you know, I don't remember where they're, I don't think they've scored any points yet. I might be wrong on that. But still. It's, I'll keep you posted as the season evolves.
1:25:14 Doug DeMuro? Tell me when Cadillac wins their first race.
1:25:16 Speaker 02 Okay. Well, it's talked to you in a couple of years.
1:25:20 Doug DeMuro? Um, it's, it's actually interesting because uh F1's been taking a break, but I drove here today in my Carrat G T. So in a way, F1.
1:25:27 Speaker 03 Somebody's driving an F1 car.
1:25:29 Doug DeMuro? That's exactly right. F1 is not taking a break in San Diego.
1:25:32 Speaker 02 An F1 derived engine.
1:25:34 Doug DeMuro? Well, I didn't even say, he's an F1 car and I agree with him.
1:25:37 Speaker 02 Well, the San Diego Auto Museum, right now, there's a footwork Formula One car with the Porsche engine in it. You can go look at a real Formula One, a Porsche Formula One engine and it's not that one.
1:25:44 Doug DeMuro? Uh, last question, because I gotta move on. I gotta go. I have things to do, people.
1:25:49 Speaker 03 Hmm.
1:25:49 Doug DeMuro? Last question, uh, uh, from who the hecked? Dear Doug, you and several of the pod friends, your pod friends have kids. Filippo also is my child.
1:25:59 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:25:59 Doug DeMuro? What vehicles will you encourage your children to get for their first cars when they reach driving age and why? You know, I got a fella down my block there. Everybody.
1:26:07 Speaker 03 I can imagine.
1:26:07 Doug DeMuro? Sure. My whole commute, my whole, everything, everything that exists in my world now is just in my neighborhood. I like don't, I got a fella down my block there. He's a fella and he's got a kid, uh, and she just turned 16 there. And you know what he got her? It's a great idea. Base model ID4. It's slow.
1:26:25 Speaker 03 That is not a bad idea.
1:26:26 Doug DeMuro? It's free.
1:26:27 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:26:27 Doug DeMuro? When he did it. I mean, I think it's, but this was a year ago. It was probably 89 bucks a month.
1:26:32 Speaker 03 Unfortunately, she's gonna crash because she's distracted trying to lower the rear windows.
1:26:38 Speaker 03 Ken, if you don't know, you have to press the button to make the windows switch to the rear.
1:26:41 Speaker 02 I've heard this. Yeah.
1:26:43 Doug DeMuro? No, dude, if she crashes, it's good because it's safe. So the answer to your question is, I'm gonna get my kid an ID4.
1:26:53 Speaker 03 They'll love it.
1:26:53 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna say, hey, I know this thing's 20 years old and the range is down to 61 miles.
1:26:58 Speaker 03 Let's still write them on a range.
1:26:59 Doug DeMuro? Perfect.
1:27:00 Speaker 03 Where was like, where were they going?
1:27:01 Doug DeMuro? No, but in reality, well, ever since that happened and blew my mind, I now think that that's the perfect car for your kids.
1:27:06 Speaker 03 Leasing a like cheap car.
1:27:08 Doug DeMuro? Worst electric car you can find.
1:27:11 Speaker 03 They'll all be electric cars.
1:27:12 Doug DeMuro? Which is a lot of them.
1:27:13 Speaker 03 Uh, shout out to our, one of our, our coworkers, uh, Matt Clark, who heads up our product engineering team. His daughter is seven, is sixteen, seventeen.
1:27:22 Doug DeMuro? What's she driving?
1:27:22 Speaker 03 She got a, their old C-Max hybrid.
1:27:24 Doug DeMuro? That's the same thing.
1:27:26 Speaker 02 That's the same thing.
1:27:27 Speaker 03 The same thing. It's fundamentally the same thing.
1:27:29 Doug DeMuro? What would you buy, get, please?
1:27:31 Speaker 03 I would absolutely not buy.
1:27:33 Doug DeMuro? Okay, what would you lease?
1:27:34 Speaker 03 No, no, I would.
1:27:35 Doug DeMuro? Steal? You wouldn't buy?
1:27:36 Speaker 03 Obviously.
1:27:37 Doug DeMuro? How would you procure the car then?
1:27:39 Speaker 03 No, I would buy something new, but, cause I, I, I don't do that for myself.
1:27:44 Doug DeMuro? But don't you, but like, I agree with that, but I, this, what does it cost to lease an ID.4 for the three years that she's, goes from driving to college?
1:27:50 Speaker 03 For the three years total, hmm, three grand, four maybe. Yeah, no, you're not wrong.
1:27:55 Doug DeMuro? You messed up there.
1:27:58 Speaker 03 I don't know. It depends. Some like lightly used, practical automobile.
1:28:02 Doug DeMuro? You know what I'm hearing?
1:28:03 Speaker 03 Even better, a GTI.
1:28:04 Doug DeMuro? ID.4.
1:28:06 Speaker 03 I don't know. It depends on the child. It really depends on the child.
1:28:09 Doug DeMuro? I'm also only interested in the ID.4. I don't have any interest in the other stuff. Because the ID.4 has been put in my head by this fellow who lives down the street. And so.
1:28:16 Speaker 03 Smart.
1:28:17 Doug DeMuro? Cause the other stuff seems too sporty.
1:28:19 Speaker 03 Right.
1:28:19 Doug DeMuro? The ID.4 came out and kinda turned its nose.
1:28:21 Speaker 03 Especially the ID.4 Pro, which is the base trim is. It's good stuff.
1:28:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. So you got, you, is some sort of lately used?
1:28:28 Speaker 03 It depends on the child. Like, what do you have to be worried about with this child?
1:28:31 Doug DeMuro? Say your child is Kenan.
1:28:33 Speaker 02 Well, then all you have to worry is going to spend too long listening to Beethoven symphonies before you go to bed.
1:28:37 Speaker 03 You gotta get a, a child like Kenan, something that will fuel his passion, like an E.46, if it was up there. And now that would be like a.
1:28:44 Speaker 02 No, that's, and that's exactly what happened.
1:28:45 Speaker 03 No, I know. I, I think that was the right call. Like, it fueled your passion, got you into it. It would be, the equivalent now is what? Like a.
1:28:52 Speaker 02 Interesting point. I've thought about the passion fuel. Five, I six speed. That would be like the car that would be the equivalent.
1:28:56 Doug DeMuro? Oh my God, you're gonna get an N.54?
1:28:58 Speaker 02 I'm gonna give him, get an M.5. Screw it. Like, that's what Ryan did.
1:29:01 Speaker 03 I'm so sorry. Don't do that. No.
1:29:02 Doug DeMuro? No. Don't get an N.54 for anybody you love.
1:29:05 Speaker 03 M.54. M. as in Mark, yes.
1:29:07 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but the N.54 is the one in the 5.35, isn't it?
1:29:10 Speaker 02 That's the N.55, I think.
1:29:11 Doug DeMuro? They're both bad. Remember that video?
1:29:13 Speaker 02 You know what, but you need unreliability.
1:29:15 Doug DeMuro? Do you remember that YouTube short dash cam video of that E82 one series? And the guy, it breaks down and the guy's like crashing out on the side of the highway in Texas?
1:29:23 Speaker 02 No.
1:29:24 Doug DeMuro? Oh, it's unreal. It's like an E82 that is breaking down or has just broken down and the dude is out like screaming and kicking the car. And it's like, yup. Uh, okay, that's the.
1:29:33 Speaker 02 It's an interesting, it's an interesting point. I will say like, my first car was a 2001 E395 25 i5 speed. Which was, the, the thing about that car, like it was a nice car and my friend Ryan's first car was an E395.
1:29:43 Doug DeMuro? What year were you born?
1:29:45 Speaker 02 I was born in 1995.
1:29:45 Doug DeMuro? So the car was five, six years old when you got, when the car, you were six. So the question is.
1:29:51 Speaker 02 I was six and the car came out. So the person.
1:29:53 Doug DeMuro? If you had a child today, you'd be getting the car in like 20.
1:29:57 Speaker 02 2020, it's, it's 2026 now. So you'd be, it would be, the car would have been.
1:30:01 Speaker 03 The car was five years older, you were than you.
1:30:04 Doug DeMuro? It would be like six years from now.
1:30:06 Speaker 03 A 2031.
1:30:06 Doug DeMuro? I wonder if anything like an E39 will even exist in six years.
1:30:10 Speaker 03 Leaf seems like a good choice too.
1:30:11 Doug DeMuro? No, it's too small.
1:30:12 Speaker 02 But my, my point with this was we were all actually ended up, you know, a lot of people were like, oh, you don't want to get your kids a nice car and stuff. But we, because of who we were as people, we were so careful with the cars. And actually Ryan built a whole business out of it. And I'm here in part because my M5 broke down.
1:30:26 Doug DeMuro? That's a good, that's a good point.
1:30:28 Speaker 03 It depends on the child.
1:30:29 Speaker 02 It depends on the child.
1:30:30 Doug DeMuro? Ken and Nancy had instead gotten for you an ID4.
1:30:34 Speaker 03 He would have rebelled and started to do drugs.
1:30:36 Doug DeMuro? Drugs? Folks, I take back my advice to the ID4. I'm gonna go march down the street and tell my neighbor that he needs to buy his daughter an E39.
1:30:43 Speaker 02 An E39 M5 is the answer for everyone.
1:30:46 Speaker 03 Bicycles exist.
1:30:47 Speaker 02 Bicycles exist. Yep. It'll be popular in high.
1:30:50 Doug DeMuro? Thank you so much, Filippo. That's lovely.
1:30:52 Speaker 03 And buses, public transit, very pro public transit.
1:30:54 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, can I tell you something?
1:30:55 Speaker 02 If you live in rural Texas.
1:30:57 Doug DeMuro? You.
1:30:58 Speaker 03 We don't. I'm not trying to be a jerk.
1:30:59 Speaker 02 People do.
1:31:00 Doug DeMuro? You live in sunny San Diego, in the city, urban life, warm. I live in Anchorage. And not even an inch, I live with Zilla, okay?
1:31:09 Speaker 03 Oh wow.
1:31:09 Doug DeMuro? I can't take a bicycle.
1:31:11 Speaker 03 You hanging out with the Palans?
1:31:13 Doug DeMuro? I don't know what that is. Oh, those people, she was a part of that.
1:31:16 Speaker 03 She, Sarah Palan, we sort of lived on with her, right?
1:31:18 Doug DeMuro? Well, I don't know. I just go on Zilla there. Uh, listen, this was our best podcast of all time. Buy your kids an ID4. You got any parting advice?
1:31:26 Speaker 03 Don't do that.
1:31:27 Doug DeMuro? Go to Cars and Beds.
1:31:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, go to carsandbeds.com, check out our events, come, uh, submit your car for the Tire Rack event and also get tickets for the Velocity Invitational event.
1:31:35 Speaker 02 There's an app, there's a version for Android coming. It'll be here at the same time Flippo will sell the GTI, so we're still waiting.
1:31:41 Doug DeMuro? Mentally, we already have an Android app.
1:31:45 Doug DeMuro? Goodbye, everyone.
1:31:46 Speaker 02 Goodbye.
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