Tesla Roadster. Greatest Reveal Ever or Biggest Gimmick?

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  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Kenan.

• 1:10Speaker 04

  I'm Zach.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  Zach Klapman is here today, people. You know him from the Smoking Tire podcast and many other automotive videos. He has graced us with his presence. He's come down here to be on our measly podcast.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  Funniest man in cars.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  The funniest man in cars.

• 1:29Speaker 04

  Lot of pressure now.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Take that, Jerry Seinfeld.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  What do you mean? I'm pretty funny.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  But I have a present. Yeah, I have a present for you for coming all the way down here.

• 1:41Speaker 04

  So nice.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  And it's this. It is a 1/64 scale and I want you to, I want to be clear. It's a minivan.

• 1:49Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  It's not a Dodge Caravan. This is a Plymouth Voyager.

• 1:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  And not a Grand Voyager. This is base model stuff.

• 1:55Speaker 04

  Manual transmission?

• 1:56Speaker 02

  If you want it to be, I think it can be, if you want to open it up and find out, it can be a manual.

• 2:00Speaker 03

  That'll divest.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  That is my present to you.

• 2:02Speaker 04

  I think it actually is. I swear on my life, that's very random of you, but thank you.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  When I'm at the store and I see this.

• 2:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  I feel like I have to purchase it to register my desire for the manufacturer to continue making cars like this.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  Right, so there'd be a line on a spreadsheet like, wow, someone's buying.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Okay, they're buying them. We must make more.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  See, I told you.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  It's, you know, I like Hot Wheels, but like the ones that have like a shoe and then an engine sticking out of it. I want real cars.

• 2:30Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  And that's why I got that for you.

• 2:32Speaker 04

  Now, is that because you think I need to be more grounded because I drive mostly quick stuff?

• 2:37Speaker 02

  No, I just felt that you might appreciate a Plymouth, like an early Plymouth Voyager.

• 2:41Speaker 04

  I feel like you're my mom and you're like, look, it's a minivan. It could hold children. Huh? Feeling any inspiration? Huh?

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Well, we're going to talk about that. I'd like to cover that in a little bit.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  This is very nice and random. Thank you, but truly, thank you.

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  Don't think too hard on it.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  During our, during our cars segment today, I'd like to get into Zach Klapman's personal life. And actually, our, we have a bunch of questions related to Zach Klapman today. Some of them are for me, but I'm going to ask them instead to you.

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  Sure.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Anyway, we want to talk about the news. The news is obviously huge. Last week, we reported, recorded the podcast a little early. We weren't able to cover the big news stories that released, but now we can cover them in full depth with Zach Klapman.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  It's much better. We did, people had to wait to hear our takes, but you're here.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Now, now you're here.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  And we were going to hear your takes as well as our takes.

• 3:27Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  All right. What's our first news story? Ah, yes.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  What is this?

• 3:32Speaker 02

  This is a.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  This is the team Lamborghini?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  This is, Zach, this is what we call the Tesla Roadster.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  No, the way you said it earlier was much funnier and more accurate.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  The road adster.

• 3:43Speaker 04

  This is an ad to try to pump that company's, the interest in the company.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  You think that's what this is?

• 3:48Speaker 04

  I think that's a bit of it.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  I want to talk about three components of this.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  Because I know you're not a Tesla fan. And I want to talk about three components of this. Number one is the reveal, the release. Even for those of us who are not enthusiasts of the brand, that's pretty cool.

• 4:05Speaker 04

  Absolutely amazing, for sure. As a stunt, holy, you probably can't swear here, absolutely impressive.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  So cool.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  Very cool.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  I'm watching the video and I'm like, I saw the video and I'm like, this obviously is AI or computer generated or whatever. And then like, it wasn't. Like the car, you understand that the car went upside down and stuck to the.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, that I could believe, like the fans and suction like in ground.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  But you understand that that happened.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, but we've kind of seen Mercury's done that. We've seen that one before. But I haven't seen the second part.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  But then the car flew. You saw the car fly.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  I saw the car have a trajectory for a while. I wouldn't know, I wouldn't call it flying.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  There was a, oh, you're just like, you're.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  It is semantic targeting.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Falling with style? Is this like a Woody Buzz situation?

• 4:50Speaker 04

  A controlled fall, sure.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I watched it. I watched it go like this and then like this and then back. So it had some, it had lift.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  I told it, no, I agree with you. I think the way we speak colloquial, it did fly through the air. If you go off a BMX jump, you flew through the air, it's the same thing.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes. That was the coolest, one of the, certainly the coolest automotive product launch in history. I went to, I went to the final generation Subaru Legacy launch and let me just tell you.

• 5:14Speaker 04

  How many canoes did they have?

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like that. It was in Big Sur.

• 5:18Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Let me just tell you, it was a bit of a snooze.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  Right, they weren't using that thing to like kick fluke it over a forest or something like that.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  The Legacy didn't fly at that particular event.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  All right. They hadn't, they hadn't conceptualized that.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  That was, then they, after that model, the Legacy was then canceled.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  But in traditional Tesla fashion, when they do one of these releases, it's all anybody talks about for a while. And it was, that was pretty spectacular. Now, if it hadn't worked, it also would have been spectacular, but.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Or if it had just flew, flown it in on the roof and just crunched.

• 5:47Speaker 03

  Well, the metal ball through the glass.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  And there's a lot of detractors online, well, oh, it was a stunt, it was a remote control, it was this, that. Maybe so, but like, damn. Like that was just plain cool for an automotive launch. It was in, in all deference to this company and to this car that they've created, it was really a spectacle.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  And it was much more of a spectacle than Porsche, which we'll cover in a second. Launched the same day as, you know, a static car, they won't even tell us the engine that did it.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  Probably because it's underwhelming.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  So I want, the launch, the launch is one thing, incredibly cool.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  The car itself, I want to cover. The flying one is not going to be sold. I want to make that clear to everyone out there. You're not going, your car's not going to fly.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  What was it that Elon said? It was like, so he was asking if it's road legal, it's like.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  It will be a viable car.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it will be a viable car on some roads.

• 6:40Speaker 04

  But did you see that people have looked in the fine print of the deposit?

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  And one of the lines is, this is not, you know, by making this deposit, we are not guaranteeing that you will get a car.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  This car will exist in its form.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  I think when, when I used to work for an automaker and we collected deposits, I think we had.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Did you have that too?

• 6:54Speaker 02

  I think, I think they, the deposit has to be refundable in some states by law. And so I think that probably is in there for that. I don't know. But I, we all know that Tesla is much more likely to not manufacture the car than any other automaker.

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Right, and make it difficult to get your money back.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. My guess, though, is that the car does come to market, however.

• 7:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Probably without some of the equipment that we saw, as cool as it was, it will probably just be a really fast electric sports car. And on that subject, I'm curious, like, every electric sports car so far has failed. Obviously, this will be like the ultimate tech bro accessory for a little while, if it does come out, when it does come out. Can't imagine there's a huge market for it.

• 7:34Speaker 04

  Well, the Niverra, I mean, has really, really struggled, right?

• 7:38Speaker 02

  The Batista has failed, the, you know, the I8, I mean, if you, if you bring it back to the original Tesla Roadster was not exactly a big hit.

• 7:44Speaker 04

  I think the question is, what is their sales target? Because the Tesla Rotti are passionate enough to buy this because it's a smaller Cybertruck.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  And they can brag about the same things. Oh, it's this fast, oh, it has this much power, blah, blah, blah. And it looks, however it looks. But if they need to hit 5,000 sales, I think they'd do it. If they need to hit 20, maybe not.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's clearly just like a halo product, not necessarily intended for a large market. So perhaps it has the effect they're intending it to have, which is that the wealthy Tesla people buy it and a small number of them, like a lot of, you know, exotic sports cars, which is not unusual, and then that's that.

• 8:18Speaker 04

  Well, it's like the illusion of progress while there are other cars remain basically the same. You know, they don't ride that well, but they do a good job as an appliance, but they haven't really changed a lot.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  They do now have that taxi with the gold painted wheels.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  They do have that.

• 8:31Speaker 02

  So I would argue that they're making some real progress. It has butterfly doors.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  Yep, and every time I've seen it, it's one person driving.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Someone's driving, yeah. Whereas the Waymos are completely driverless.

• 8:41Speaker 03

  Yep, exactly. I think, well, it's interesting because I heard you guys talk about this on the podcast, like the, the Jet, like the thrusters or whatever, cool. But even if it's just the rear ones, I just don't see how that is safe or like, there's so much crap on the roads, it seems like that is just.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Well, even more than that, a friend of mine was at the launch and he said they had to keep us so far away from the car because the noise that these thrusters would, would emit or did emit.

• 9:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:04Speaker 04

  Is crazy. So, you know, if you have, you don't work on your cars, nobody, you do. If you have like a compressed air hose and you blast it near your ear, like you were getting.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  You think I need to work on cars to know what compressed air sounds like?

• 9:15Speaker 04

  I just want to introduce you to, so when people need to clean stuff off of cars, Doug, sometimes they'll use compressed air. Yeah, sorry, let me, let me start this over again, you've never done this before. So when people have a car that's dirty that they need to service themselves. It's really loud.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  You know about, you know about rags, right?

• 9:29Speaker 04

  Right. But so now, if you need to move something that's 4,000 pounds,

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  the amount of power that has to come out of the back that would blow everyone's eardrums.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:36Speaker 04

  So.

• 9:37Speaker 03

  But if it does, if it does go into production, man, you thought the VQ was annoying to listen to.

• 9:42Speaker 04

  The burbtle tune crowd has nothing on this.

• 9:43Speaker 02

  My guess is that that, that, the stuff, the craziest stuff that we saw either never makes production, or they, they're saying that some of that stuff is invite only. It will only be sold to an incredibly select group of people who they are absolutely certain will only behave in a certain way. It will not make its way into the hands of YouTubers or whatever. And maybe only to a leasing crowd where Tesla still owns the car and brings it back.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  You're telling me Whistlin Diesel's not getting one of them?

• 10:05Speaker 04

  He whistled in a second.

• 10:06Speaker 02

  Needs to, if Whistlin doesn't get one of these.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  This is the most him car that's been released recently.

• 10:11Speaker 04

  Put whistles on the back where the thrusters are.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:15Speaker 02

  Uh, all of that. So the cars, theoretically, the cars going up, I actually think it looks cool.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  I do too.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  I don't think it looks uncool. I think the original one was a lot, the, the, the one that they showed in 17 was less cool.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  I thought it was way better looking, but it's just more my style of car.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  That design, though, has now found its way into the Model 3 and the Model Y and it was kind of, it's kind of played out, right? The, the like curvy, sloopy stuff.

• 10:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, no one likes that.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  There's an awful lot of.

• 10:38Speaker 04

  How's your Ford GT doing?

• 10:40Speaker 02

  This is cool.

• 10:41Speaker 03

  There's a lot of, uh.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  I think it's, go ahead.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  Oh no, there's, there's a lot of like, there's a lot of wedge in this. If you like the Countach, you know, I mean, you can see like they took a lot of Lamborghini, there's like Gallardo in the front.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  I will say, I don't think that design enough is, is, is able to overcome the pitfalls of an EV sports car.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  No.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  No, I agree.

• 11:00Speaker 02

  Which we've seen. I mean, the Navarre is cool as hell. The, yeah.

• 11:03Speaker 04

  I think the Navarre is kind of awkward looking, but the Pinot Brouhaha.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  The I8, by everybody's imagination, like a lot of car enthusiasts didn't love the I8, but it was so striking. Like, you drive it around and people freaked at that time. It was like, oh my God. And that wasn't enough to get them sold. And now you can buy one for $28,000.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  Even today, I do like seeing them. Like when I see an I8, it's like, you know, yeah.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  It's like, wow, that's kind of cool. I would, I don't want to own one.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  I don't want it.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  But like, that's one of those cars, that's like my wife freak out car. Like, she doesn't know my, you see that thing, like, regular people still get excited about that car.

• 11:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  But it wasn't enough. And I think that's the case here too.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  My question about this, and maybe I missed this, you know, it's called the Roadster. You know, it's got a hard roof.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  I think the roof comes off.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  Does it actually come off?

• 11:41Speaker 04

  I think it's T-tops.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  Is it a T-top? Does it actually come off?

• 11:43Speaker 04

  We also don't know because this is like a stunt car. So what will the final design be? I'm sure they can fix it.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  They did do a surprisingly good job of making the announcement Cybertruck and the real Cybertruck relatively close in terms of the way that they looked. So my presumption is that this is going to look sort of similar, especially if he's promising for sure that it's coming in 28. They must be pretty far down the road at development. That's not that far away from, for vehicles.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  That's very, very true. Um, I'd have to also imagine that if, if you get the car without the thrusters, you don't need the giant tank. Well, that's changes, that changes packaging. So putting a hard top convertible in this car would be easy.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:18Speaker 04

  Every company does it. So why can't you just do it in this and have a Roadster?

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, 0.60 in one second or whatever. I'm here for this thing. I think it's cool. I have a suspicion it's not going to sell significantly. I want to talk about Elon for a second.

• 12:30Speaker 03

  All right, buckle up, Zach. Here we go.

• 12:32Speaker 04

  I'm ready, dude. Let's go.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  You know what hit me about Elon during this? Like, he's got a flying car. And I think that Elon was really cool, right up until he involved himself in American politics.

• 12:47Speaker 03

  Till his heart went out to everybody.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  It was before, it was before that. It was before that.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Twice.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  Twice.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  I wish that Elon, like, it saddens me that a person like Elon, who's had a lot of visionary stuff, dumbed himself down to the level of like, choosing a side and going to work in the government and doing the Department of Government Efficiency, which everyone agrees was horrible and for failure. Like, what a, what a stain. Like, he's sitting there revealing this. Imagine if this was still like the Elon from eight years ago, where it was just him, him, he's created a car company and he's, he's gone to, going to space. And like, that was cool Elon. And I, it hit me like, that's, I think, my problem. I don't even necessarily know that my problem is the side that he has chosen. It's just like, how gross that like this dude who kind of like, had this like, can do anything sort of mantra, then

• 13:38Speaker 02

  just got himself involved in like, American politics. Like, it's kind of, it's kind of

• 13:42Speaker 04

  I totally agree with you.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  It's silly.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  What you're saying is what a waste of time.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  What a waste.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  Like, just keep playing with the wrong.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  And now, a lot of people hate him. And a lot of people then saw him go to work in government and thought, and it came out, he came out like an idiot.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  Well, what a great way to alienate half of your customer base, you know?

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Beyond that, though, like, it's not even just like, oh, I chose a side and alienated people. It's like, I was the guy making rockets. And like, a completely changed how cars are seen for a lot of people. And now suddenly I'm going, and that hit me as I was watching this. Like, this would be so different. I think people would receive it so differently if he was still, like, and people, there would still be people who hate him. There would still be a lot of this, that. But it wouldn't have, it wouldn't have been affected by this run he made into politics.

• 14:21Speaker 04

  He has a lot, you know, on the scales, he's added a lot of rocks to the side that add like asterisks to the project, the projects and products he's made. It's like, his involvement in the government and the things he said online and what he's supported. Um, it, the, you know, grifting, if you want to call it that, like the lack of delivery on some of the promises. Like, all these things are just adding to that, that bucket.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  And really offsetting cool stuff he does.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Because if you took it, like, on paper, he had an enormous impact in the automotive industry. He's, he's going to, like, these things are incredibly cool. If someone had done this like a Bruce Wayne figure and just sort of remained cool, but it's hard to say that he's that.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  Tony Stark in the movies, they never showed like, you know, the, the cut scenes from Iron Man where he's like lobbying Congress, you know, to allow whatever, or so he can involve himself in the government and change things for his benefit.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  But in our dream world, like, Tony Stark doesn't do that.

• 15:10Speaker 04

  Right, because he's a good guy.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Not only is he a good guy, but he like, is above that. Like, he's, it's not what he, what he busies himself with.

• 15:18Speaker 04

  But he's cool. And I think, you know.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  There's definitely a component to that.

• 15:22Speaker 04

  There's, there's a lot of insecurity and who knows what else going on with Elon Musk. Yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Which is such a shame because like, I really think this is incredibly cool. I think the car is cool. I think the launch is cool. And I think it, it all has a little bit of asterisks around it now because it's so inextricably tied to this guy who like, is incredibly cool and did incredibly cool things, but then also did some stuff that like, starts to alienate and starts to create these like question marks. And it's like, why do that?

• 15:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  If I was Tony Stark, I would just be in my mansion making cool stuff like this and I would never talk to anybody else. Maybe I'd own a government. Maybe I'd own one.

• 15:55Speaker 04

  I think that's a smart move. Like, everyone tells Jon Stewart to run for president and he's like, no. Like, I don't want to.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  But smart people seem to stay away from that because they see how messy it is.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. And how much it can screw with how people are, think of them and all that. And boy, does it.

• 16:08Speaker 04

  But what better way to escape your 14 children, though, than just, you're gone.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  Biden was just a nice old man before he, he was the president. And now, whoo!

• 16:18Speaker 03

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• 18:34Speaker 02

  Speaking of Tony Stark, by the way.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  I'm going to drive my Corvette.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Speaking of Tony Stark, Sean over here said, we have to, this is, we are doing something special. Are you aware of what we're doing with this car?

• 18:44Speaker 04

  No.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  We're auctioning off Tony Stark's car. It is an Acura NSX underneath, and it is a fake, it is a movie car Acura NSX underneath. Okay? It was in The Avengers. I saw the scenes. Um, what's his name? Robert Downey Jr. Gets in the car and like drives it away. And it's cool as hell.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  It was very cool.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  And we have it here. It runs and drives. And, uh, we're auctioning it for charity right now on Cars and Bids. And the windshield comes from a Chrysler PT Cruiser.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  That car just keeps giving to all of them. What an amazing automobile.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  Acura's had this in their vault for like 10 years and they decided finally to auction it for charity. Don't you think this is cool?

• 19:25Speaker 04

  That's a very good looking car.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  I have driven, I don't know if you've driven, but I've driven a lot of movie cars.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  I have not.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  They're all unequivocally the worst things you could possibly imagine. This one is actually pretty good because underneath it's a 91 NSX with a manual transmission. Like, it drives well and easy.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  But, as we talked, are we allowed to talk about what we talked about last?

• 19:44Speaker 02

  We're not allowed, you're not allowed to drive it, people.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  And it overheats in how many minutes, you said?

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Because there is not an air intake.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Two.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  No, more than two. Because there is not an air intake, it will overheat unless you popped open some. But I actually think the design lends itself to opening holes. I think if you wanted to use it, you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to use it.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  The list, the list of things that this car does not have, that you brushed off like Neo with bullets. You were like, headlights, easy to install. Holes, cut them. Mirrors, we can fix this.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Lightning McQueen doesn't have headlights. And he drives. What's the problem? What's the problem?

• 20:19Speaker 04

  You know, that's a good point. I rest my case.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  Thank you very much. No, this is a great argument. This is a closed course, personal racetrack car, okay? But if you wanted to pretend to be Tony Stark, you could do it like this and not by creating the Department of Government Efficiency. Do you see what I'm saying?

• 20:35Speaker 04

  That is very funny and a good point. This is more of a racetrack parking lot car, because you can't actually, if you go on the track, you'll overheat. Very good looking.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  No, you open a couple of holes.

• 20:45Speaker 04

  Sazall, where would you Sazall?

• 20:46Speaker 02

  This is what, like, either right here behind the door, or maybe like right there. You'd have to figure out exactly where the spots are for the powertrain, but you can make it work.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  It's interesting to look in this, though, to see that 92 NSX. The outside looks, you know, 2010, like, is very futuristic, and then you look inside and you just see like a tape deck and the old sliders for the HVAC.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  The other thing is that every other movie car is based on like some BS. Like, I drove the Jaguar XKR from Die Another Day, that bright green one with a gun mounted on the back, and the chassis is a Ford Explorer and with a 5.0 Windsor and no firewall, so it's incredibly, it's like horrible. Like, this is a nice car underneath. Like, it actually is really cool.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  You should figure out a way to drive the new Batmobile. That thing was built by, like, it's like a trophy truck with a Charger box, and it actually worked.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Sounds cool.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  They jumped it like 30 times.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Wow. Wow, this is...

• 21:32Speaker 04

  And then auction that.

• 21:33Speaker 03

  Then auction that. More ideas for auctions.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  If you could have any movie car, what would it be?

• 21:39Speaker 03

  No, wait, hold on a minute. Can it be a car, any? Well, it's my favorite movie. We actually just talked about this on like another episode of Cars and Friends, but the Ferrari, the Modena Ferrari from Ferris Bueller's Day Off. It's like, I love that car. It's my favorite movie and I love that car.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Car was destroyed during filming, but that's a good one.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  Well, no, they made three of them, and the one with the rolling chassis was destroyed.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  I'm going Fast and Furious lifted Charger, the one they dropped out of the plane and then landed on the mountain. That's what I would do.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  You know, those Modena spiders, how expensive are they?

• 22:06Speaker 03

  Pretty expensive.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Oh, really? We've sold a couple of cars of bits. They're like big money.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, what about you?

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Uh, ML320 from Jurassic Park, The Lost World. No question about it.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  It's...

• 22:16Speaker 04

  I feel like you could have that, like, five seconds.

• 22:20Speaker 04

  Is this an ML320 with a paint job? Was it...

• 22:22Speaker 02

  No, are you kidding me? Pull it up.

• 22:24Speaker 04

  I watched that movie without really paying any attention.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  That movie, the dinosaur gets loose in San Diego. It's a T-Rex.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  I have not seen that movie.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  A T-Rex, at the end of the movie, a T-Rex gets loose in San Diego. It's good stuff. You think this is just an ML with a paint... Click on this. Really, really prove him wrong, because this car was not really as...

• 22:42Speaker 04

  You just said you could get a car running by cutting holes in it and fixing it. You could, this is a wrap and a bumper.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  All right, I'll tell you something. I'll tell you something, Zach.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  Tell me something.

• 22:51Speaker 02

  If you, if you can make this for me, I'll buy it off of you. I don't want to make it myself.

• 22:56Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Okay? But if you deliver it to me, I will pay you what I think it's worth. Eleven thousand. Which honestly, I think you could probably make it for a lot. I assume this is all foam, right? I think you could probably get this done.

• 23:10Speaker 04

  Now I'm interested. When you said foam, if I can get you to buy foam, now I'm down.

• 23:14Speaker 02

  Don't you think this is cool?

• 23:16Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, it's pretty cool. I don't think it's the coolest movie car in the world, but it's a subjective question.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  It's the movie car that I most want.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  You preferred the Jeeps in Jurassic Park to this, then? Tell me, here.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  There were no Jeeps in the second Jurassic Park.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  On the second one.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Lost World was the finest of the Jurassic Park films, okay? The dinosaur gets loose in San Diego.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  Which is the plot of Godzilla, effectively.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  But in this case, it's a dinosaur, and it's ML320.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  It's the American Godzilla.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  Car was built in Vance, Alabama, for God's sake. Um, okay, oh wow, look at this. Here's someone making one.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  There, that could be you.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Oh my God, Zach, send them a note. Send them a note and see what the, how they're doing it.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  Oh, they're trying.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  Well, that looks like cardboard, so yeah.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  So, you could do cardboard. It wouldn't bother me.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  That's even easier than a phone.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  All right, I'm gonna make you a $12 ML320.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  You know that's how they did it.

• 24:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's very true.

• 24:05Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  Based on my experience with all the other movie cars. Anyway, except for this one, which is great.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Uh, do you promise you'll buy it for $11,000?

• 24:11Speaker 02

  Uh, if it's really good, not if it's not good. I will have to walk in there and be like, is this, I would have to walk in there and feel like it was screen used.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  Okay. Oh, that's low bar, no firewall. All right, great.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  He's gonna remove the firewall just because he's...

• 24:26Speaker 04

  It's gonna be a Ford Explorer chassis with a Windsor, just for spite.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Uh, all right, we gotta talk about the Mission S. Uh, what do you think about this? Porsche released the Mission S. Uh, it's a concept car. They haven't announced a lot of details, except it looks like it's gonna be a TIP hybrid. Um, it looks like some of a stretch 911. I actually kind of like how it looks. What do you think of this thing?

• 24:45Speaker 04

  I think it looks great.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:46Speaker 04

  They'll sell all of them.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:47Speaker 04

  Um, it is a shame they launched it the day in the way they did, but it makes, it makes a lot of sense. And when they announced, was it two weeks ago, they were gonna move up market? I was, I'm annoyed by that because it's like, the cars are already getting so expensive. I think they're leaving behind the people that made them as famous as they are today, and that kind of sucks. If this is what they mean...

• 25:07Speaker 02

  You mean Mccann buyers?

• 25:09Speaker 04

  No, all the people that bought, you know, air-cooled cars for 20 grand and celebrated them, or the people that bought, you know, used 996s and 7s, and then, you know, the market responded more fervor, and now they're, now they're pricing their new 911Ts at $150,000. I think that sucks.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  So, especially because we've lost the mid-engine cars due to poor product planning.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  That, yeah, I think, I think they flubbed that, and now they're trying to make up for it with this and moving everything up in price. But this is rad, and if they, if they want to charge $700,000 for this and then keep 911s at least where they are, that would be great.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  That's my assumption. I think what's happened is that Porsche has kind of started to discover that at the end of the day, they're reaching the limits of like where the 911 can go. And you have the ST, and you have the GT3 RS, and they're cool, but like, the Revuelto and the SF90 and the 849 Testerosa are sitting there as like individual special models, and you can go buy one of those and it looks insane, or you can buy like a version of a 911. And so they're sitting here like, we gotta do something in that realm.

• 26:04Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  And that's, by the way, my guess is where this car falls in the market. I have a suspicion it's gonna be 600 to 800,000, not limited production, although I'm sure there will be many limited versions of it. Um, but my guess is it's gonna be like a Revuelto SF90 kind of place. Interestingly, neither of those cars have been huge sellers. Um, the Revuelto's done okay, the SF90 was a very difficult car to sell. So I'm curious if, if there really is a huge market for it, especially because it's probably gonna be an automatic hybrid, just like those cars are. Uh, but I guess we'll find out.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  No, we'll find out. And I am curious, like, what then will be the rain? I'm waiting for the next supercar. That's what I'm like very excited about.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  My guess, though, is like, you know, profitability is low. I have a suspicion they're not really focused on doing supercars. I think they're hoping that this makes a lot of money.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  I do think this will do, because it'll be a Porsche and it will be good.

• 26:49Speaker 04

  Also, how, like, this to me is very supercar-ish. If it's a mid-engine car with a ton of power, it costs 700 grand, it's competing with Ferrari, everything.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Totally. I, I think it is a supercar. I think...

• 27:00Speaker 04

  918.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, like, again, yeah, going back to the ultra-high-end Halo car, it's like, it's been a while.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  You want something better than this, is what you're saying?

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  I, I don't necessarily want...

• 27:09Speaker 03

  Below my line.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  To be clear, I don't necessarily want something better than this, but I do think that there is still a world in which a ultra-limited, you know, F80 competitor comes up for a F80, and this is not that. I don't think that this is planning to be that. I don't think that's where this will live.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  This is not in your Carrera GT's lineage.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  No, I don't think so.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  This is something completely different.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, it is cool, though. It looks cool. I really hope they do a non-hybrid manual transmission version. There are people, people are paying 700,000 for STs. There are people who would buy it.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  People are talking.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  People are talking all about it. Don't you think people would buy it?

• 27:44Speaker 04

  What's happening? What's going on?

• 27:45Speaker 02

  I just wish, I just wish, it's so weird to me. Like, Porsche's sitting there and they're saying, okay, there are people spending big money for 911s. We have to do something even bigger than a 911 to really grab those people. What, what are the 911s that they're spending big money for? Well, it's the naturally aspirated, the manual transmission cars. Let's make a hybrid automatic.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  But I think, I think a lot of the people buying 3RSs, STs, speculation, but a lot of them are probably buying because they know it's the showiest, most expensive, most well-known 911. If, if you own a GT3S that you don't take to the track, you are buying that because it's the most extroverted-looking car.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  And you think they will end up buying these?

• 28:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 28:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, anyone who bought the 3RS because it's a showy thing and they know who they are, is most of them, they'll switch out and they'll buy these.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  That's an interesting point. And those, those people are paying 400 for a 3RS, whereas they're gonna pay 700 for this. Some of them will. And presumably, volume will be able to...

• 28:37Speaker 04

  And this will probably be more comfortable to drive around, softer suspension, hopefully, than the 3RS. And then they'll make an RS version and a T...

• 28:44Speaker 02

  I'm sure it'll be a hit. I'm sure it'll be a success. I just, there are some of us, call us purists, if you will, who like a good manual naturally aspirated car.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  So you just want them to make the Carrera GT again, basically?

• 28:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Why don't they just do that?

• 28:58Speaker 04

  They might for $1.5 million.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Perfect.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  That would be the, the canon car.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  They won't, they never will. It's a shame.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  What if they do?

• 29:05Speaker 04

  What if they do?

• 29:06Speaker 03

  And what if they take that...

• 29:06Speaker 02

  If it was 1.5, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. The Carrera GT's cost twice that, but it won't, it won't cost that, and they will not. I mean, they, it's impossible. They could never make a car like that again. The, the emissions regulations have screwed us.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they're still making manual transmission 911s, so as long as they offset with EV stuff, right now, that's the rule, right? So they could make 20 mid-engine...

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Come on, Porsche.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  We'll get into it in a minute, but with the automated manual thing, it's, there's an interesting loophole that Ferrari found that we'll talk about in a second.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Okay, bring it up. Do we have anything more to say about this? By the way, the, the other thing about Mission S, because it is a, it is technically a concept car, Porsche's concept cars almost always preview an actual production car. I have, so the Mission E and the Taycan were virtually identical. I have a suspicion that this will show up, they're looking very similar to this, as a production car. The interesting thing was not announcing the powertrain. I'm over here speculating it's gonna be a hybrid, just because I understand the way of the world and how Porsche's doing this. But they didn't announce, there's been talk of a flat eight.

• 30:00Speaker 04

  Well, they revved some, they revved that car, and it did not sound like a flat six. It sounded like a flat eight.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  But they also have a V8.

• 30:07Speaker 03

  Which they filed a patent for earlier in the year.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  They also have a regular V8 in their realm, right? That, that twin turbo for the, the one in the Cayenne, so who knows? I mean, I didn't hear it.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  But for Porsche, most of their cars, the world is flat, and so, and we're hoping for a flat eight. That would be really cool.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  Maybe. They got electric.

• 30:23Speaker 04

  The world is round, but the engine is flat.

• 30:25Speaker 03

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• 32:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  What do you mean, no?

• 32:55Speaker 04

  I think it's...

• 32:56Speaker 02

  So this is...

• 32:56Speaker 04

  I think the pictures, I think it looks ugly. I think the ratio of taillight to headlight, it's very...

• 33:01Speaker 02

  What is this? This is called...

• 33:03Speaker 04

  It's like a rocket ship.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Mercedes AMG GT.

• 33:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  You probably find that to be a fairly mediocre car.

• 33:08Speaker 04

  What an empty name now.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  I know.

• 33:09Speaker 04

  She like...

• 33:10Speaker 02

  But it was.

• 33:11Speaker 04

  This, if Porsche made an SUV and called it the 911, that's what they'd...

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, but AMG GT doesn't have even a third of the street cred of the 911, right?

• 33:18Speaker 04

  But it could have. It had, there were such good coupes for, what, 10 years?

• 33:21Speaker 02

  For a little while. But now the current AMG GT already hollowed out the name by making it an SL coupe.

• 33:25Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  So it was already a weaker product.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  So they're like, let's just turn, let's just turn this soup into water, bro.

• 33:30Speaker 02

  But remember, there was a four-door sedan. There, from the very beginning, or not quite the beginning, but close. So it's not like this, it only was ever a special car.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  The DMV hates this car.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  How many doors is it? Two, but it's the same name as the four-door. Okay. Go ahead.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  That's so true. Uh, anyway, there's also an EQS sedan on an EQS SUV. What's gonna happen to those cars on the used market?

• 33:54Speaker 04

  $12.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  I'm gonna turn one into a Jurassic Park car for you.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Make it a Maybach EQS, please.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  The Germans lost the war. This is how they're getting back at us. It's like, it's confusing.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  People hate how this looks. Uh, and the front looks worse. We chose the rear picture because this podcast is sponsored by Mercedes-Benz. We only want the best for Mercedes-Benz. It's a beautiful car, and I'm kidding, it's ugly. And we're not sponsored by Mercedes-Benz.

• 34:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  They don't even talk to us.

• 34:19Speaker 04

  I understand.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  They won't even give us...

• 34:21Speaker 03

  Despite the fact that you are a Mercedes guy, without question.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  I'm a Mercedes guy, like he's a, like you two are BMW guys.

• 34:26Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  You don't like everything.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  I do like everything. What about you?

• 34:29Speaker 04

  I am a bit of a BMW idiot, that's true.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  I don't like everything.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  He doesn't like anything. Uh, anyway, Mercedes AMG GT SUV, little weird looking. I don't think it's as weird looking as the internet commenters seem to think. I think the whole situation is weird looking. Remember the EQS SUV? That thing was heinous.

• 34:45Speaker 04

  That was really bad. That is worse.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's all weird, okay? Everything's a little out there right now.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  And every time you see something for the first time, it's shocking. And then you live with it for a little bit, and it's like, eh.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  The internet commenters hate every new car that's first released. So you have to kind of take that with a little bit of a...

• 34:59Speaker 04

  True.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  So there's three versions of it. The top version has 1,153 horsepower and does 0-60 in 2.6. You gel?

• 35:07Speaker 04

  No, I have a roadster. I have a Tesla roadster. I'm not jealous.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  One second.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, but this probably has three rows or something. He has three thrusters.

• 35:15Speaker 04

  All I need to carry is bags of money. And a stack full of divorce papers.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's true.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  Yep, that's accurate.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  Anyway, obviously, this is a rival of the Cayenne Turbo EV, the Cayenne, the new Cayenne Electric. Because there will also be versions with only 536 horsepower and 805 horsepower. Mediocre cars.

• 35:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  For the peasants.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  For the peasants.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Uh, what would it take to get you to buy one of these?

• 35:44Speaker 04

  0% financing, 0% down, 0% per month.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  It's still probably like two grand a month.

• 35:50Speaker 04

  I, I am not...

• 35:52Speaker 02

  And by the way, I bet they'll do all that. I think about a year into this car's production cycle.

• 35:58Speaker 04

  I think I'd rather have a, a Macan. Because the front of this thing, I know I wouldn't have a picture of it, but it, the headlights look like Maserati Gran Turismo lights from like 2008, if you flipped them upside down.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:09Speaker 04

  It's a very fishy, aggressive...

• 36:10Speaker 02

  It's got some fish to it. It's got some fish to it.

• 36:13Speaker 04

  So it's just not my style of SUV, basically.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  But this is your style of SUV.

• 36:17Speaker 04

  Cardboard bumper.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Cardboard bumper. Mercedes-Benz needs to go back to the cardboard bumper era.

• 36:23Speaker 04

  If I get real bored in January, I'm gonna make you this ML, and you better buy it from me or my wife's gonna kill me.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  The ML320 was one of the great products of all time. Uh, anyway, this is Mercedes AMG GT SUV. We're going toward electric SUVs. Yeah, pull this up.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, so on the topic of Mercedes news, so this is...

• 36:43Speaker 02

  You hear about this?

• 36:44Speaker 04

  I did.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  Is that an M156?

• 36:46Speaker 02

  Uh, it's some V8. And apparently Mercedes-Benz, if the electric cars are going to sound like, correct me if I'm wrong, they're gonna sound like a V6 unless you pay more.

• 36:54Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  And then it'll sound like a V8.

• 36:56Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  This is great.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  That's, that's some good German crudeness right there.

• 37:00Speaker 04

  I totally agree. I was not, I was mad for half a second. I thought about it, I went, well, if you bought the ICE car, the cheaper one would sound like an inline 6 or nothing. And if you want the good sound, you'd have to have the bigger engine.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  This is the same thing. And, you know, anyone who's upset, it's like, oh, first time in capitalism.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Well, and also, like, if you're, you want the V8, so you're paying more, like, you don't have to do this. This isn't, this isn't being shoved down your throat. Most people will probably be totally okay with it sounding like a V6.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  True.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Or like nothing at all. But, but if you really need that V8 sound, all right, well...

• 37:32Speaker 03

  What it, what it tells me is there will be a tune aftermarket that'll be, you plug it into the OVDT port.

• 37:36Speaker 04

  By tune, you mean MP3?

• 37:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, track two on this.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  It's obviously laughable, but like, whatever. For the few people who care, you might as well make some money off those people.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  Well, I think, isn't, isn't it at the higher trim level? You have to get the 63 or the 55, you know? It's not just like, you can get the 53 and maybe add the V8 sound. But I think you have to get the higher trims to get that sound.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Got it, okay.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  And they said they recorded it with like 16 microphones and all this stuff. I think this is a good idea because so much of AMGs, like why we celebrate them, is the sound of their engine.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  So why not do this with their back catalog? And we've said on, on the TST for a long time, Porsche should be doing this with their electric cars, but they didn't. IONIQ, Hyundai did something, but they're, they don't have that, like, racing heritage. They don't have a good catalog of car engine sound. So they're like, uh, here, it's a dentist's drill, like, you know, talking through a space microphone. It sounds like, I, I turned it off all the time in that car.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  It does sound weird.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  It proved the tech, but I don't think it sounded good.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  But if this sounds good, then you get the cosplay.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  Why didn't they give us a 1994 Hyundai Sonata? That was a rough V6. I bet that had some sound to it. I'll bet it did. Don't you think?

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Oh, it did.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Type in, go to Cars and Bids and type in Sonata. Let's find the oldest Sonata.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  Have we sold any?

• 38:53Speaker 02

  Or type in Hyundai, and let's find the oldest Hyundai. This is, this is the car that, whose engine they should have used, whatever it is. Go to, uh, lowest price.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  What's the oldest?

• 39:05Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Well, they should have, they should have used the powertrain from the Hyundai Stellar.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  Stellar executive.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Oh, they have a V8 from the Equus.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  Oh, they, yeah, they did.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  They should have used a decadded version of that.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  That's a good sounding engine, yeah.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Does it bother you that you can get an Equus for 5,600 and you haven't done it yet?

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Kind of, yeah. I don't know what I'm doing with my life.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  I didn't realize the suspens-, oh, you remember that one that our friend Carbine sold? The suspension, that car was 10 grand to like.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  Suspension's 10 grand, so 15,600, you're good. And then you got new suspension.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then you got a Hyundai for 15 grand. Great. But one that's gonna cost you like, not quite Bentley service levels, but.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  But it'll, it'll be up. Okay, but go back to the interior. Show them what the interior looks like and then we'll get them around, yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  The seats are colorful.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Look at this.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  Well, these ones are.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  All right, this one might not be the finest example.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  It's 5 grand.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  But it's 5 grand.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  Larry could clean that up.

• 39:53Speaker 04

  Yes, he could. He would hate it. I drove this car on the press launch and I remember it was early in my career where I was just so excited to drive anything and it made a good sound. I was like, this car's amazing.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  Where was the launch?

• 40:03Speaker 04

  Uh, like Malibu. Like, here, like, here you go.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  It was an aspirational press launch.

• 40:09Speaker 03

  Oh, boy. There's no amount of mother stuff you could put on there.

• 40:11Speaker 04

  Dude, my Crown Vic had cleaner seats than that. It was a lease car.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  But it's 5 grand.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  This is a track car now. Somebody pull out the seats, they're using it on the track.

• 40:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, long wheelbase, drift car.

• 40:21Speaker 04

  But you were right, they should have used this sound for the Ioniq 5 instead of Deadmau5 falling asleep on a key. It was just like.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  The artist or the actor?

• 40:30Speaker 04

  The artist. That's what it sounded like. The, the car's sounds were so bad.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Ken, do you remember these?

• 40:34Speaker 03

  No.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  Ken grew up in Ohio. They didn't have these in Ohio. The Ohioans in the 90s wouldn't buy a Korean car. It wasn't acceptable.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  But then ironically.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  The wound was fresh.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Suddenly they started, suddenly they started offering long warranties and cheap cars and suddenly Ohio people were like, you know?

• 40:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, this is the, uh, this would be the kind of car someone would go, I put that in the bed in my pickup truck.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  You kidding? Where, where's the rest of it?

• 40:56Speaker 03

  There isn't NSX in the back.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Well, this is an enthusiast. Uh, all right, give us our next news story. Are there any more?

• 41:02Speaker 03

  All right, uh, yes.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Waymo is getting more Waymos. You know, you drive around and the Waymos are everywhere. You see the Waymos?

• 41:07Speaker 04

  There's Waymo of them. I've ridden in these, yeah, I see them every day.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  What happened to the Jaguars?

• 41:12Speaker 04

  I love Jaguars, far more comfortable. Uh, the suspension's better, et cetera, et cetera. This, they still have the Jags around. They, they charge these in my area where I live. So there's a ton of them, but more, I see the Jaguars less and less.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  The Jaguars are going away.

• 41:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a shame. But now we have these. They're Zeekers. Waymo calls them the Ohi.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Ohi.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  That's great stuff, though.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Every car company's just like, how many names in California have been used for products?

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Uh, right. So anyway, these are around and apparently the news story is that they're ordering a lot more of them. These are Chinese cars, by the way. They are infiltrating our country. They're infiltrating our country.

• 41:51Speaker 04

  That's why we need a border wall.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that we can stop the Chinese cars from infiltrating.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  They drive themselves. They drive right through the river.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  You know what I saw this weekend?

• 42:00Speaker 04

  They can go under the water because they don't need to combust air.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 42:03Speaker 04

  People inside don't need to breathe.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  You know what I saw this weekend that upset me?

• 42:06Speaker 04

  They just float.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  I saw a JAC Frigen. Can you pull it up? A JAC Frigen.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  Of course I know what that is. That was, I lost the voice. I know every car, everything.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Every car. I know, no one knows more about cars than me.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  You're wondering how to spell it.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, Frige, Frige. Just give it a shot. I don't think a lot of other stuff is named similarly to this, so I think it'll pull up.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  That was close.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  I saw one of these. It was, I think it was actually a T8. I think it was not a T9, but it's fine. There we go, T8, right there, the blue one. I saw one of these the other day. The Chinese are, they're in the country with their JAC Frigens.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  And based on this picture. Right, and you drive up, cause especially you live in San Diego, where that's where we are, so people will drive up from Mexico to work and go back every single day, right? So you see a lot of cars registered in Mexico.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Oh, every, I mean, it's the most, most common license plate I see aside from California is, is with the Mexican ones. Uh, and this particular Frigen had one. Uh, and they're trying to ban the Chinese cars. They're here. They're, they're Frigens out driving on the street. Now, as a man who's a little skeptical of China, which I assume you are, you see a JAC.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  Don't put that in my mouth.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  You see a JAC Frigen, what is your first thought?

• 43:19Speaker 04

  My first thought is Toyota must be very upset that their IP was stolen. Um, and the second thought would be like, doesn't matter because you can't sue China for that kind of thing. The headlights look very Tacoma.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  You think it's Tacoma?

• 43:30Speaker 04

  I think, yeah, look at, dude, look at the red one.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  No, look at this. Click on this picture.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  That's something else.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  Click on this picture. That's not, Tacoma wishes it could be on the level of the JAC Frigen.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  That's the T9, let's not get out of.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a T9.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Don't, don't get out of hand here, we'll focus on the T8.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Look at this one. This looks like an early generation. That, this, this is a T6. Things, things were a little different in that era.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  A gentler era.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  The pre-facelift T6.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  I mean, this China still had the iron fist on the automakers at the time.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  They weren't doing their best.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  Those look like Lincoln LS headlights, though, a little bit.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  They probably got them from some.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  There's a hint of LS in there.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Anyway, saw a JAC Frigen and it got me thinking, the Chinese are here, they're here with our, with our Waymos, they're here with our Frigens.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  Does this worry you?

• 44:10Speaker 04

  I think if they were able to sell them in this country at the price they are trying to, it would completely destroy 50% of the American manufacturing base, both American companies and other companies, which would cause very big economic problems for a huge part of the country, and that would be bad.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  And the only reason we feel that they're able to sell them at the prices they're selling these, these cars is that there's significant government subsidies from China.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  I think that they probably pay people less there to build them. I mean, yeah, it's, they're having their industrial revolution, I mean, started a little while ago, but like, they're doing the same thing we did 80 years ago and other countries are doing soon or now.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Do you think Americans, if these cars are available, would out and just go start buying them? Or do you think they'd be like, not skeptical of the Chinese, wouldn't want one?

• 44:52Speaker 04

  People would 100% buy them. People, if they, people that treat cars more like appliances don't really have brand loyalty. They don't care.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  So if they got in the car and they went, oh, wow, this is comfortable.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  It moves me around, it does all the things, and it's 12 grand, and even if things weren't getting more expensive as they are, if things were stable, like, say, like, six years ago, people would still do it because it's so cheap.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. I know, I've been surprised about Europe. Um, Europeans were so nationalistic with their car purchases, and then the Chinese showed up. And suddenly the French are like, I could buy a Peugeot or I could buy a JAC Frigen. Now that the T9 is here.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  Aren't you late for a riot?

• 45:35Speaker 03

  No, I just got back from there, too much to make for me.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  It's nighttime.

• 45:39Speaker 03

  It was nighttime, it was very problematic.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  We always break for lunch.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Too much.

• 45:44Speaker 04

  Put away the cocktail and then later you light the cocktail and phew.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  That's why you throw the cocktail.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Can't believe we're making fun of the French on the pod. They're out here rioting for better conditions and buying Chinese cars. This is what.

• 45:56Speaker 04

  I support the first part.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  This is good stuff.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Here's something that never made sense to me about regular car insurance. Every year on paper, your car is worth a little less than it was the year before, which is fine for a 2019 crossover, but it is completely disconnected from reality for anything interesting. The enthusiast car market is climbing fast, which is why the standard coverage doesn't cut it for the cars that we love. That's the thing about Hagerty. With guaranteed value, you set the value of your vehicle upfront. It won't depreciate every year like standard auto insurance. It might even go up, and if your car is totaled, that's what you're paid. Same idea on the repair side. Claims are handled by people who speak car, not call center scripts, and repairs are handled with the same care, precision, and respect you have for your vehicle.

• 46:45Speaker 02

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• 47:00Speaker 04

  Would you buy a Chinese car if it was?

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Only if it was good.

• 47:04Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  But like, good.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  But how do you define?

• 47:07Speaker 03

  Don't forget MG, their heritage. I mean, you could.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  I drove this, I drove this electric Chinese MG.

• 47:13Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, the, the Roadster.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  The Cyberster.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  And, and they had like heritage stuff throughout the car, but like, it's, you know, it's electric, it's China MG, like, there's no their heritage, but like, the key was shaped like some famous MG from the 30s, you know? It's like laughable. Anyway, it was bad.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  The shifter has a crown.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, it was, it was fine, but I would only buy it if it was good.

• 47:36Speaker 04

  But would it have to be better than every domestic and import offering, or would it have to just be on the level, like, if this was as good as a Mazda CX5?

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Here's two, two things. Two things I'm looking for. Number one, if the dealership is close to my house. That's a big selling point.

• 47:52Speaker 04

  This one's not.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  This is at least in Mexico.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  All right, so strike one. Number two, if it is a three-row station wagon.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  Those are the reasons I would purchase a car. You're gonna Google, "Does China sell a three-row station wagon?" I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that they don't. I'm gonna go, I'm just gonna sit here and make a guess that there's no electric three-row Chinese station wagon.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  There's the Yangwang U8, which is an SUV.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  I'm not doing, I could buy a three-row SUV tomorrow.

• 48:21Speaker 04

  It's a tall wagon.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  And on that subject-

• 48:23Speaker 04

  We're both men, you're just a tall man.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  I wanna move on to the talk car segment because I have car suggestions for you.

• 48:29Speaker 04

  Zekr wagon, launched.

• 48:30Speaker 02

  That's a van.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  It's more of a van. They're calling it a wagon, but-

• 48:33Speaker 02

  What do you mean it's more of a van? A sliding, look at that.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  They called it a family wagon.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  What is it called? The Zekr 009?

• 48:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. It really rolls off the tongue.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  That's gonna be our future Waymos.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  007?

• 48:45Speaker 04

  Nah, 009.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Kenan, you think this is a wagon or a van?

• 48:48Speaker 03

  You know, I don't know much. It looks like a van to me.

• 48:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, proportion-

• 48:52Speaker 02

  Don't try to, don't try to sell me like you're, like you're GM in the 90s throwing every brand with the same exact car, just rebadged, thinking the customer's stupid. I'm the customer, okay? I know what I'm talking about.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  Look, as our parents often say, the internet said it, so I'm telling you it's true.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Okay, I wanna move on to the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to you by Zach Clapman. You can follow him on Instagram at RealZachClapman. Oh, Sean's looking at me. I have to say the talk car segment is brought to you by something else. It isn't! Don't let Sean ruin this moment for Zach Clapman.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  My dealership is selling JACTs.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Yes! Is it near my house? How about three-row wagons? What, Sean? What is it actually brought to you by? Oh yeah, Cars and Bids Festival. More, more details on that later. Anyway. I don't know any details, so later means in the next podcast when Sean's giving me a one pager about it.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  It's like an EDM festival, probably?

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know what? If Cars and Bids Festival was an EDM festival, would you guys go to it? Let us know below.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  Do you know what EDM stands for?

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, Electronic Days. Are you kidding? Me?

• 49:52Speaker 04

  I'm shocked.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Me and Kenan, what do you think we do on Saturday nights?

• 49:55Speaker 03

  On weekends, we put on FacePain, we go to rave.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  We rave-

• 49:59Speaker 04

  Hang out with your kids.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  Dude, we go, we rave. We rave all over the Southwest. We were in San Antonio last weekend.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  That's right, windy.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  We rave in Tulsa, we rave in Albuquerque. Nothing stops us. We, we jump in the Zekr 009.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Anyway, um, uh, the talk car segment. Zach, I wanted, I have some car suggestions for you, cuz I know you drive around an E46 M3, and I think you need a better daily driver.

• 50:28Speaker 04

  Definitely.

• 50:29Speaker 02

  You still got your Crown Vic?

• 50:30Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  Okay, so this is, your E46 M3 is your daily driver?

• 50:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Zach, I have a suggestion for you.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Pull up.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  Oh man.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  Type in T, I'm gonna spell it so he doesn't know what I'm saying.

• 50:43Speaker 04

  I did read the spreadsheet, so I might know, but let's see.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Type in Touareg. T-O-U-A-R-E-G.

• 50:49Speaker 03

  I'm doing Cars and Bids.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Zach, I wanna tell you about this.

• 50:52Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  I want you to think about it before you dismiss it. There you go. Type in Lois, actually, don't even type in, don't even type in anything. Don't even type in anything.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  $5,800.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  This is the Touareg 2. This is the Touareg, the good one.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  Is it good, though?

• 51:05Speaker 02

  There were two gens of Touareg. There was a Touareg 1, which was utter ass.

• 51:09Speaker 04

  Right. I watched Claxton's review of it and was like, this is brutal.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  I mean, they were good cars, but they, they couldn't operate for more than a few minutes.

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, and they didn't deal with rain very well.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  They didn't do, yeah, there was a lot of problems. I remember the Touareg 1s, one of the problems was wind noise, and they discovered that it was coming from the roof racks. And so their solution for that was when they sold the cars to customers, they put both roof racks together in the back. And so if you go to, or go back to-

• 51:32Speaker 04

  I remember seeing them like that.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  I think if you, unless people have moved them, if you go to Touareg 1 sales, you will notice the early Touareg 1s, these are all Touareg 2s, but here's one. The early Touareg 1s, all of the roof, both of the rails have just been put together in the back, and that was the solution.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  I thought it was like a style thing from the dealership. That is-

• 51:52Speaker 02

  No, the very earliest cars, they were getting wind noise complaints and stuff.

• 51:55Speaker 04

  Just scoop them together and send it out.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  This is a high-quality product, but the Touareg 2-

• 52:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Whose reputation was destroyed based on the fact that the Touareg 1 was terrible. The Touareg 2 was not so terrible. And we are selling them all day long for $7,000 United States dollars.

• 52:12Speaker 04

  But, okay, I, I watched some videos, cuz I haven't driven one of these in whatever, 13 years. The long-term ownership of these is also not perfect.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  The 101's got 142,000 happy miles.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  Happy or easy?

• 52:23Speaker 02

  Look how clean it looks.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  Oh, cuz they washed it.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  What are you?

• 52:29Speaker 04

  These also have, uh, water retention issues with like, some of the seals are bad, the doors end up filling up with water, you have to drain them.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Who hasn't?

• 52:35Speaker 04

  And, and the injectors are incredibly expensive.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  In what powertrain? Cuz this is a diesel.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  Diesel V6s.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Okay, then go to the gas one. He doesn't want the diesel. Go to the gas one. They made them both.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  This one is a gas one.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  This is a gas one? Oh, no problems. Except water, we live in SoCal. Now, this one wasn't, this one is in Florida currently, so there may have been some water incursion at one point.

• 52:54Speaker 04

  There's an iguana in the door somewhere. There, there are gonna be fish living in this car.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  Zach, I want you to imagine every day. You, you get out of your, wherever you live, and you walk out to your, whatever it is, and you see your M3 there. Now, I know there are days when you think to yourself, "God, I can't believe I have to drive this thing again." Like, I know, like, it's got three active CELs and it's, I don't wanna do it today.

• 53:17Speaker 04

  It's a crapshoot.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  Imagine if you had a luxury SUV at your disposal.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  Also made, but I'm gonna tell you what sums this up really well. I had a Golf R press car a couple of weeks ago, driving around with my wife, and I was like, you know, this is on the short list of cars I would replace mine with. It's got back seats, back doors, easy to get the dog in and out of it. And, and then I said, I was like, I don't know how reliable they are on the used market, I have to research that, but probably better than my car. And she pauses and she goes, and I said, "You could drive this. You could drive it to work. It's automatic, it's easy." She goes, "I will drive your car when it won't, won't break just by being driven." And this, I feel like, could break just because it's being driven.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 53:58Speaker 04

  Why is this $7,000, sir?

• 54:00Speaker 02

  Here's what happened. The original Touareg had a bad reputation. It's like Aston Martins. For years, they built trash. And so recently, the cars have been more reliable.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  True.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  But they have this rep for being trashed, and so all of the resale values are diminished because of this rep. This is a fant- look at this car.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  Do you know that? You're smiling like you wanna unload this thing on me.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  What I, what I, what I want is for you to find out.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  If you're a VW tech, let us know in the comments if this is a good idea.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  No, all the VW techs always say bad things about every car because they see them all, but-

• 54:34Speaker 04

  I wonder why.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. This car, listen, these are cheap. You gotta admit.

• 54:40Speaker 04

  Doctors hate people cuz they're seeing them when they're sick.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  Well, doctors, well, everybody has cancer. They don't see the healthy ones. People are getting sick 700,000 miles out of these. Those don't show up at the VW dealers. Every one that we've looked at so far is closing in on 200,000 miles.

• 54:53Speaker 04

  Okay, you also have to make sure you get the good, did these come with a good all-wheel drive system or the front-wheel drive-based Haldex thing?

• 54:59Speaker 02

  Isn't this a, well, these were Cayenne-based cars. Do you think they were front-wheel drive-based?

• 55:04Speaker 04

  I think some models were front-wheel drive-based.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  They were, they were all four-wheel drive.

• 55:08Speaker 04

  I had a stunt, snagging them. Sorry.

• 55:10Speaker 03

  No, it happens.

• 55:11Speaker 04

  From what I watched, the second-gen ones had both options. Some were front-wheel drive-based, and some you could get were like the X-Motion all-wheel drive-based, and those are better.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  I want you to get one of these.

• 55:20Speaker 04

  Okay, so I'm gonna make, I gotta make a list. I'm gonna get one of these-

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Do you think this is a pretty good deal?

• 55:23Speaker 04

  I'm gonna build you a Jurassic Park car.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  I guess, but he's driving, he's driving an Icon every day.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  This car is, the, the real reason I bring this up, I, one time I rented one of these from Sixt, and it was incredible. It was so nice.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  They are, it's a nice idea.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  And they are now free, more or less.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Until you start maintaining it.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  Now, why would you get this instead of used Cayenne?

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Pull up used Cayennes. I wanna talk about that too, since you, since you're bringing it up as, as a, as a potential car for yourself.

• 55:49Speaker 04

  Point of contention.

• 55:49Speaker 02

  We sold the other day, go down, we sold, uh, this. Now, this is the first gen.

• 55:55Speaker 04

  Good-looking color.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Horrible cars.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Eight grand. Not a lot of first gens left. A lot of them got smashed or exported or turned into off-roaders. Like, this is a rare car. Only 70,000 miles.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  So it's supposed to be good off-roaders, but are they bad cars reliability-wise? Okay.

• 56:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  So an $8,000 Porsche is bad, but an $8,000 Volkswagen?

• 56:15Speaker 02

  It's a second generation. It's, the Touareg is a new vehicle.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  New idea.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  What is your wife drive?

• 56:21Speaker 04

  Uh, RAV4 Hybrid. That is the reliable, yeah.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  The brand-new one?

• 56:24Speaker 04

  2025.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 56:26Speaker 04

  Not the, not the newest one, the one with the changed body style that looks more like a Land Cruiser. She's got the angle one.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  What is life like now that you're married? Tell us that.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  It's way better.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  Kenan is thinking about, uh, marriage, so let's get into that.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  We're working on it. That's, we got some distance here. We got some room to cover here.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Kenan's got a, Kenan's got a lady-

• 56:44Speaker 03

  We've only been dating since July, so it's a little soon, yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Kenan's got a lady in his life.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  Doug wants me to be married and with kids already, so that I'm, I can't leave.

• 56:54Speaker 04

  I mean, look, I'm not, we dated for eight years before we got married, and my wife makes fun of that a lot.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  Let's start there. Why were we dating for so long before we got married? What happened there?

• 57:02Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  What did she say? I move feet per second or inches per mile sometime. Or no, no, miles per year sometime.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  But now that you're married, it's great. Life is great.

• 57:13Speaker 04

  It is actually way better.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Tell Kenan what it's like.

• 57:15Speaker 04

  Anything, I think when you're dating, you can be like, oh, you know, it'd be fun one day is we could do this trip or live in this place or do this thing, but it's all feels hypothetical. And like, it's a fun thought experiment. And when you get married, those become plans that could actually happen.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  You're locked in.

• 57:29Speaker 04

  Well, it's like, I found it way more exciting and realistic to talk about, oh, where do we want to move when we retire? And instead of that being this kind of hypothetical with an asterisk of like, if we're together, I'm not sure. You just go, yeah, okay. Like, let's make our dreams happen together.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  Where do you want to move when you retire?

• 57:44Speaker 04

  Somewhere with woods and water.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  Charleston, South Carolina.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  I've heard it's kinda nice.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  I'll see you there.

• 57:50Speaker 04

  Are you going there?

• 57:51Speaker 02

  If you do.

• 57:52Speaker 04

  Oh, okay. We'll go together?

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, with our Tauric twos.

• 57:55Speaker 04

  Right. Don't let go.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Can you imagine operating a Tauric two in our retirement age 20 years from now?

• 58:00Speaker 04

  Yes, and trying to find a VW. Actually, there's plenty of VW shops there probably.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  They're only gonna be working on electric stuff by then.

• 58:05Speaker 04

  Not there. Charleston, they're gonna have NASCAR, still going V8s. That'll be the last place you could keep them.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, brother.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Okay, so marriage, wedding.

• 58:12Speaker 04

  It's fun.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Look at this 355, Kenan.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  White is not a flattering color.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but look, white and red. What is this? This is incredibly cool. You're not into this?

• 58:20Speaker 04

  No, I don't. I think it's pretty awesome.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  I think for me, white is the only color that doesn't work on the car.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  This is cool as hell. And it's in Indiana.

• 58:26Speaker 03

  It makes all of the gaps really apparent.

• 58:29Speaker 04

  White, for me, only works at certain times of day. If it's, if the, from like 10 to 5, it's too bright and it flattens out the curves of the car.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  You can't look at it during the day.

• 58:40Speaker 03

  Right. 90% of cars are white these days and Zach's not looking at it.

• 58:43Speaker 04

  And my wife's car is white.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Go back to that rear picture, that Indiana license plate picture.

• 58:46Speaker 04

  They crank the contrast on these photos.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  Do you ever, go back to the place, do you ever, have you ever noticed that Indiana has a recycle symbol on its license plates? That's something for you.

• 58:55Speaker 04

  Oh, I was looking at the blue line. I was like, I don't think that's what the.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  They got those too.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  Um, I did not notice that. So they want you to recycle the plates.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Just a regular Indiana license plate is a thin blue line license. They don't need a specialty plate for it.

• 59:08Speaker 04

  How many Indiana plates do you have hanging on your wall?

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Zero. I only, oh, wow. Damn, this person is legit.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  It's a 355, a 456, a 911, because of course you'd have.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  Let me tell you something. If you lived in Indiana, you could have this garage.

• 59:19Speaker 04

  I know.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  It's also like a massive driveway in these giant houses that probably cost $84,000.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  What is that?

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Folks, what is what?

• 59:26Speaker 03

  This. What car is that?

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't know, but it's got some other police themed license plate.

• 59:31Speaker 04

  I think this person might be former law enforcement.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  No, they just don't want to get, they just don't want to get taken.

• 59:36Speaker 04

  If you want to know which cop was taking the bribes, maybe. Just maybe. We observed two Ferraris. Car lift, post lifts, a turbo driveway.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  U-shaped driveway. Uh, okay. Anyway, so it sounds like, to me, like, you're not gonna end up with the Tauric two.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  No, whenever I propose getting a new, simple daily, my wife's like, why? Just use my car when you need to. I go, yeah, but what if it breaks even more frequently? What if my car breaks even more frequently than it is at some point?

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  That's where you step in and get a Tauric two. Can I recommend, type in GL63. Can I recommend another car?

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Are you planning on having children?

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  He's, this is where he's going with this.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  SUVs. I knew it when he handed me this.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Not GLC 63.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  To plant the seed.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  Oh, just GL63.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  We sold this week for 18,000 United States.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  These do zero for me. I'd rather have an X5.

• 1:00:28Speaker 02

  When you have your six kids.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  With whom? If I have six kids, you know how many mistakes, I would not have this job. I would need a much more serious job immediately.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  Don't you think people with like four kids and up need a Sprinter?

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. Get a van or get a minivan.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  No, but like a real van at that point.

• 1:00:45Speaker 04

  Well, how much, depends on how many hobbies the kids have.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  They all, the kids always have stuff.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  Aren't minivans the perfect car for that? They're fantastic.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  I think minivans are a little too small. I think you gotta pop into an Econo line or a Transit or something like that.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  So they need a minivan long wheelbase.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Kenan, when you and your lady friend get married and have children, I assume.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  I feel like he's gonna be there for both of those events.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  Come on, come on, go, Kenan.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  He already has like the next eight years of my life planned out. So it's like.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  He's telling you that marriage is good.

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  It is.

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  It is. But I'm not saying that it is. I'm just like, I don't want to get married. We're ready here, Kenan.

• 1:01:22Speaker 04

  It's October, bro. They got together in July, like, slow down.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  It's been 90 days.

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  How long did you date your wife before you got married?

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  You write a paper license plate, it is expired by now. You need real plates on that thing.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Are you from California?

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  That's called moving in together, I think. What?

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Are you from California?

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  Originally, yes.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 1:01:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  You grew up here?

• 1:01:42Speaker 04

  No, Northern California. I feel like I'm being interrogated now.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  I was just curious about a little background on Zach Klapman.

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  Santa Cruz.

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  Did you surf?

• 1:01:51Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Ooh, do you now?

• 1:01:53Speaker 04

  No, because the waves down here are terrible and I haven't surfed since high school.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  And if you had, you don't have a Tauric.

• 1:01:57Speaker 04

  And if I had something that could carry a surfboard.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  Tauric two could carry.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  GL63 carries it pretty well. I do like these cars. I think the GL, like, that's my favorite looking GL, I think.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Oh, this one?

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, this generation.

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  This is pretty good. And then what was the, the smaller one, the GC? I think, I think their SUV game around this period up until like 2023 was, I think, uh, Mercedes SUV design was really good.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  Do you remember the GOK with the V8 and the manual swap?

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  Do you know that we, we sold at one point? I think we've sold two.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  This one's my favorite, yeah. V8 and a 6-speed.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Dude swapped a V8 and a manual.

• 1:02:28Speaker 04

  That's awesome.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  Pretty cool.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, really cool.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  And he badged it as GLK550. That was like the only, there's, it has different wheels, I assume.

• 1:02:35Speaker 03

  It looks, that looks pretty legit. And a V8, baby.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  Uh, what is the current status of the 46?

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  It works now. It broke two weeks ago. Uh, I turned it on and the engine turned on and none of the gauges turned on, which I've never seen before in any car I've ever owned.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  And apparently.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Especially because they're not digital.

• 1:02:52Speaker 04

  They're not digital. They're analog, but they still didn't work. So, I mean, the transmission's spinning, the engine's spinning, but the, the gauges are just nothing. Zero.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  What was the problem?

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  Uh, a transistor in the cluster has started to leak juice onto a computer chip and it just turned itself off.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  God.

• 1:03:07Speaker 04

  I saw the pictures.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Man.

• 1:03:09Speaker 04

  But strangely, they run the air compressor, sorry, the air conditioning compressor. There's a wire that goes through the gauges. So if your gauges don't turn on, even if your car is revving 5,000 RPM, the air conditioning does not turn on. But why does that make sense? I don't know. And no BMW engineer has told me, even in the comments. I want someone to answer for that because it doesn't make any sense.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  What do you mean you saw pictures of the goo that dropped?

• 1:03:29Speaker 04

  I was sent a picture of the cluster.

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  By who?

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  By the tech that fixed it.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Wait a minute. Earlier in this very podcast, you accused me of not working on my own cars. Are you telling me that you're, you're stymied by a simple goo failure in your transistor?

• 1:03:44Speaker 04

  Was my, was my accusation wrong?

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  I think your accusation is, should, I think when you point at someone else, you should be pointing right back. What is the?

• 1:03:52Speaker 04

  I will throw, I will throw a rock right through my glass house. Um, I, I have worked on my car before, but this, I was like, I don't know how to do this. And I had back surgery like five, six weeks ago.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you, as it turns out, all you needed to do was re-goo your gauge cluster.

• 1:04:06Speaker 04

  And I could have figured that out in a couple of weeks. And that's when, when, that's when I pay people.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  After replacing many other parts along the way.

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a computer chip problem, so I'm not doing that.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you probably just replace the cluster.

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  Uh, you can replace the cluster for $1,500 to $2,000.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Well, you can buy the used cluster on eBay?

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  No, because the code to the car, it's a whole thing.

• 1:04:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. Or you have someone prepare it for 250 bucks. Shout out to Office Auto Sport.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  So do that. That's why I didn't just buy a new cluster.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  Damn. What do you mean it's coded to the car?

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  It's part of the, it's like, so the, the car has several different modules that talk to them.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  Uh, you know what?

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  You know, I'm sorry, yeah, this is way over your head.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  This is why we buy Teslas. Am I right, Ryan Lopez?

• 1:04:45Speaker 04

  You know how your key turns the car on? Imagine if the cluster was also complicated and turned the car on. It's, that car is so great and so stupid.

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  How many miles is, are on here?

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  148,000.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  Man, I am at 263,000 on my M5. I've never had a goo related issue with the cluster. Well, I won't.

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  Does your car park outside?

• 1:05:02Speaker 04

  No, not anymore, but it did for five years.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Do they think it was heat related?

• 1:05:06Speaker 04

  Ooh, you know what's heat related is the headliner falling down.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  Yup, that one.

• 1:05:10Speaker 04

  The heat melted the glue and that fell down.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  You know, you know what I've decided is interior work is the most, the best thing for your buck you can do in a car.

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Like, it is amazing to me, first off, I think upholsterers are magicians.

• 1:05:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Like, you take a car to them with like bad, awful seats and you get it back and it looks literally brand new. And, and like, including all the little ridges and stuff that's supposed to be there, they do it.

• 1:05:33Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  And they don't charge anywhere near what they should considering the enhancement of the experience that you have.

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  I totally agree.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  And they're literally, and it's, talk about something you can't do yourself.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  It's craftsmanship. It's true craftsmanship. They shape the foam, they cut the thing, they tuck everything. If it's done well, it looks OEM or better.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:49Speaker 04

  And if it, but, but if you go to someone who does a bad job, you will see it every day and that piping that kind of wiggles or something or the stitches.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  The kind of place where Nick would go. Honestly, though, even that place would, even doing that would be better than that Equus interior that we saw.

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  That's, well, that just hadn't had anything done to it.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  I know, but like, if, if you went to some really cheap shop that did a poor job, it would still be an improvement.

• 1:06:10Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  I agree. Why are you yelling?

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Let's buy the Equus and change it.

• 1:06:15Speaker 03

  He's very passionate about non.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  So you're not gonna get into one of these ultra depreciated SUVs that I'm suggesting you purchase?

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  I don't think so. I, I think if it was a Toyota product, I'd be more interested, truly. But the, like, I am very afraid of owning another high mileage German car where the parts that like, oh, yes, the, the simple hook for the door is $8,000, $8,500. Like, it just doesn't make any sense.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  What if, what if, I mean, it's like, what if I'm like a.

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  I have a friend who gets me parts at cost and he go, and he'll be like, this is $220 on whatever website. And then his cost is 20. And I get so mad. So.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  You need a friend like that.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  Um, okay, Kenan, give us your top cars of the day.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  Yep. So, uh, so I, so we've done a couple of events recently. I'm gonna talk about one that I went to and then one that we were at, but you were not.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Speaker 03

  Unfortunately. So, uh, I recently went to the Audrain concourse, uh, in Newport, Rhode Island. And the Audrain's been interesting because it's been growing a lot recently. And it's like, the East Coast doesn't really have an event of their own. Like, we have Car Week, which is the entire automotive world descends on the peninsula.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:07:20Speaker 03

  And to be honest with you, it's kind of overwhelming. So I've been looking at a lot of other shows in the country. And Audrain I went to this year and it was a blast. It was so much fun. Really expensive. Like, some of the parts of that were really.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Just like Car Week.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  But more, like more, some of, like, the gathering, I think, was more expensive than the quail.

• 1:07:34Speaker 02

  Well, you were in Rhode Island.

• 1:07:36Speaker 03

  I know, but I got to see Donald Osborne.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Did you see the president?

• 1:07:41Speaker 03

  Yes, so that was the thing. There was a surprise.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  The old fella.

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  Joe Biden showed up. They had his Corvette there and all of a sudden, these ropes appeared. And a bunch of Secret Service guys showed up and I was like, wait a minute. And sure enough, there he was, hey, how you, how you doing? Hey, I brought my Corvette. Jay, Jay, this is my Corvette here. And it was, Joe Biden showed up and was there at the Audrain, which was incredibly cool. I've never seen a former president before. So it was like, it was cool.

• 1:08:08Speaker 04

  Neither have I. That, that is very cool.

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  He rode around in a golf cart and looked at the cars. Like, he was just like, going around, the Secret Service was running, you know, behind him with their, you know, ties in the wind and stuff. And like, it was really cool.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  You know, not to get political, but we sold his, he had like, he had an ATSV. And we sold it on Cars and Bids years ago. And, um.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  For the most money of any one of them.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  The dealership. Wrote this piece about it, like they wrote in the, somewhere in the photos about how Joe would come in. This is post presidency, post vice presidency, but before he was the president. He would come in and check it, like check out the cars and, and then he said he wanted to buy this, but he wanted this like right interior from the regular ATS, but they couldn't do it. But so he called Mary Barra, right? But, but regardless.

• 1:08:55Speaker 04

  Hey, do you want to still sell cars? But give me this interior. Turn that button off real quick.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  Hey, folks.

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  I want his voice to get threatening. He's like, you know what a tariff is? You want to bring trucks from Canada?

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  But they said that every time that after he bought it, he would go in himself and get the oil change. And he like loved just sitting in the waiting room and like hanging out at a dealer because apparently his dad either ran or worked at a dealer when he was a kid. And this is him buying the car at Delaware Cadillac. Isn't that kind of a crazy story?

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  That's a good looking car. Good spec.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. Even be apart from the fact that Joe Biden, which unfortunately I'm sure no one will drive it again, but like, uh, it was actually a pretty nice looking car. GM should have done that. Maybe old Joe gave him an idea or two.

• 1:09:38Speaker 03

  Hey, hey.

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  Those are really fun cars. If you can deal, does that have the Q system?

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, it had the old, the bad.

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  Which sucks, but like as far as a car to drive, it's right there with an M3 in my opinion. Just doesn't sound great.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  You ever thought about getting a CT4 V Blackwing?

• 1:09:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're awesome. They're really, really fun.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  Why didn't you get that? That's a very good replacement as a daily.

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  True. That's not a bad idea. Well, when I bought my car, everyone was buying E36s for too much money. So I bought mine, which at the time was like 70,000 miles, slick top blue for $15,000.

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Speaker 04

  And that's, that's why. And I think in a newish, uh, CT4 V Blackwing back then would have been like 42.

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Well, no, I'm not, they're, they're still, they're, they're big money.

• 1:10:22Speaker 04

  Oh, that's true.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  The ATS Vs, the ATS Vs are still big money, but the CT4s specifically are like big, big money.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  They're really fun.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  They are. I love them. I still have never reviewed one.

• 1:10:31Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  Kenan, get that going.

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  Sure thing. I'll get right on it.

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  Dude, that's an awesome like track backroad car.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  I've driven them, but I've never.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  CT4 is fantastic.

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  I agree. Both of these. What about the CT5? You like those?

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  Of course. Oh my God. So fun. Are you crazy? That's like, got the sound, everything. Power's amazing. Handle great. Drift great. Uh, it just gases the price it is. And those get like 15, 14. I mean, even before all the like, that is a thirsty car. So I could never drive one around.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  At the, well, so at the Altria, we took my friends for our 575. He has a manual converted blue 575. It's a very cool car. He did the conversion himself. He's an aerospace engineer.

• 1:11:06Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  And like they bought the kit and like did the whole thing. Very interesting product, like process that he went through. But you talk about fuel. We went through so much fuel.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they're perfect.

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  Oh, God. It's my, one of my favorite, like, that brings me actually, my next thing I want to talk about briefly. I had an Epiphany recently.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Damn.

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  You know, I've been talking about how much I want a Viper and stuff like that.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, Viper.

• 1:11:28Speaker 03

  So I drove, I still kind of want one, but I drove a client's 550 that I have. That's it.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Pull up 550s.

• 1:11:34Speaker 03

  I, I don't really want any other cars. Like I want to get to that and that's it. And I'm done. I don't need to own any other ones. I don't want any other cars. Like I really want that, my E39 M5 and a Boxer Spider. That's it. And I don't ever want to own another car again.

• 1:11:52Speaker 04

  That's a pretty great three car garage.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  And then, I mean, maybe a BS like daily or whatever, like.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  Torex.

• 1:11:57Speaker 03

  Like a Torex.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  13 Torex.

• 1:11:59Speaker 04

  ML320. Ruthless, of course.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  Ruthless.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  No, honestly, EV, like I don't really care. If I have those three cars, that's for me.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  What is it about the 550 that, that, that?

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  It's me. It's me. It is like.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  Beautiful.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  I don't like.

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  Sexy.

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, hot.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  Fast.

• 1:12:15Speaker 04

  Fast.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  No, for me.

• 1:12:16Speaker 04

  Comfortable.

• 1:12:17Speaker 03

  Look at this car.

• 1:12:18Speaker 04

  Silky.

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  Look at this car.

• 1:12:19Speaker 04

  Subtle.

• 1:12:20Speaker 03

  No, not this one.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  Can move through traffic or through the crowd without drawing too much attention if it doesn't want to.

• 1:12:25Speaker 03

  No shields. Like it's just, it's for you. That car is for you to enjoy. It's not flashy. It's not what people think about when they buy a Ferrari. And it's also not the first Ferrari you arrive at. But I make a video about this, but it is satisfying to use it. Everything in it feels good. The shifter is wonderful. The V12 is powerful.

• 1:12:44Speaker 04

  Sticky buttons are sticky.

• 1:12:45Speaker 03

  They've been dealt with. They've been de-sticky and the dash is shrinking.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  Wouldn't you rather have an F50?

• 1:12:50Speaker 04

  No. I'm with him. I think this is one of the prettiest cars ever made. And I've driven one and it was wonderful.

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  The F50 is wonderful, but like.

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  I'd rather have a F50.

• 1:13:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, obviously I'd rather have it. But like for me, in terms of attainability, it's like, this is still a really expensive car now.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  But I mean, you talked about this one. This one sold for $240,000 and one with very similar miles on it. This one sold for 117.5 two years earlier.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  Do you ever sit up at night thinking about how you messed up?

• 1:13:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, all the time. And when I'm awake, right now.

• 1:13:25Speaker 04

  What kind of question is that?

• 1:13:26Speaker 03

  But my point is like, you know, a Euro in silver or the black interior, like kind of a normal-ish one, like I think that's attainable for me. And I've debated like just like doing that and then being done.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  A Euro car, you can't title in California. You'd have to title Montana like he does for all his cars.

• 1:13:42Speaker 04

  Uh, that's where my fleet is. That's really, yeah. But look, Koenigsegg's are just so hard to smog.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  It's really for smog.

• 1:13:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. I saw a new Cayenne on the freeway with a Montana tag and I'm like, you are the problem.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  You don't think that person lives in Montana?

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  There's a pretty good shot at that.

• 1:13:58Speaker 04

  I know. And I had that thought too in traffic. I was like, I'm a curmudgeon, but also maybe they're driving down from Montana. But if they're not.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  They're not. Let's be honest.

• 1:14:08Speaker 04

  G wagons in Malibu. Go fuck yourself.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Of all the embarrassing cars to do it with, and most of them are, those are the most embarrassing. I have this big rant about this though, because I think that all those people ruined it for the guys with like right-hand drive Nissan L Grands for eight grand who just need to avoid smog, you know?

• 1:14:26Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  And it's like, come on, F8 losers. That's, well, that's true. Kenan and I register our cars where we live. Am I right?

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  That's true. I've done it with all my cars. Every single one's been registered in the state of California. It's been a real pain to do that, but I do it. Paid sales tax on my 355.

• 1:14:40Speaker 04

  Are these, are the prices on these not going up? Like I drove one a couple of years ago and it was like 80 grand. And I think now it's like 150. It was a high mileage example. And it feels like people haven't noticed these yet.

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  They're going, they're going. Ferraris right now in general are another.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  A manual, a manual, or a Euro example was like going to be what I have to do. Also like a Z8 is kind of like that too. Like it's like they're in that kind of price range. I don't know. I, I just, normal 550s, yes. US spec cars are going up like crazy, but it just, it's the E39 M5 of Ferraris. Like it's like, it's me.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  250 is a lot of money for this car, in my opinion.

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  I agree. But I mean, a Euro one.

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  But that's what cars cost now. Like it's so insane to me, all these cars that in my, I bought, I bought my Ford GT years ago for 225 and to me that it's still a 225 car, which it is not, since it just sold for twice that. But like in my mind, like a car, 250 is too much for a 550. Well, welcome to the world now.

• 1:15:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. Welcome to the world, baby girl. The market disagrees with you. But I just love it. It makes, I've, I've been off cars for a long time. It's an expression that he likes to use. Cause I've just been so burnt out on them, running my own business and doing cars all the time. But this one, I drove it and I just.

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  So what are you gonna do?

• 1:15:47Speaker 03

  I don't know. I've debated buying it from my client, but it's going to go to auction. It's photographed and stuff like that. But like I, I have to have it.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  How about a Barca?

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  No, no. A Barca with a hoop delete, maybe.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Hoop delete and good wheels.

• 1:16:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. Cause everybody puts those Barca wheels on thinking they're good and they're all wrong.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  These are OE probably.

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  They were optional. You could option it on the car with the sport. Uh, I think with the Fiera on a package, you could get it.

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  I drove a Barca on a track in Miami and it was very fun. It sounds like this. And obviously the open air, like you hear more of the exhaust sound, but I just think this is such a great shape that this is better.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  You drove a 550 Barca on a racetrack in Miami?

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  I did.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  What were those?

• 1:16:26Speaker 04

  Shout out, shout out Curated.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  It feels like a John's.

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  At M1 Conqueror, right? Is that what it's called? I think so.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  Wow. Why aren't we on, you know, to marry it, I'm not on his list.

• 1:16:34Speaker 04

  Nicest guy in the world.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  I'm not on his list.

• 1:16:37Speaker 03

  We've given him so, he knows. We've given him so much credit for the Lamborghini name.

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  He did a supercar rally in Montana and he reached out to me before and was like, do you want to come? But I don't.

• 1:16:45Speaker 04

  So how many people had to ship their car from California to Montana?

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  So they could drive it where it's registered. I, um, I didn't go to that and, and I won't go to that, but I need to be invited. Otherwise it tears at my soul.

• 1:16:58Speaker 04

  All right. You don't want to go. You just want to be, you want to be cool enough to be invited.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  You know what I really want is actually not to get the invite and complain about it. He did the nice thing and invited me. Now I can no longer complain. What is this world coming to?

• 1:17:09Speaker 04

  What are you going to do with your life now?

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  The last market report thing I want to talk about is the Willow Springs event. And then we got to move on to questions, which are excellent this week. Excellent.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  Yes. So we just.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  This is actually the point I wanted to get to. We were at the Willow Springs event together and Cars and Bids happened to have one there. Um, I didn't run into you and I'm sorry about that.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  Rude.

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  Is it in collections? Where's this, where's this?

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes. So, um, yes, the Willow Springs event was a lot of fun. Cars and Bids brought, I don't remember how many cars, quite a few cars, and they sold really well, including your Ford, your Ford GT, 540,000 big ones for your Ford GT.

• 1:17:39Speaker 04

  That's right. Nice.

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  My Ford GT, so thank you so much. My Ford GT sold to a man. He, it's going to Colorado and he's a big car enthusiast. And in fact, that last picture I put up in our slide, go back to the slidey slide. This is a very great picture. Low quality photo, but this guy who was buying this Ford GT, when his kids were little, he had this, or like littler, had this. It's a wide body Hennessy tuned CTSV wagon that had a thousand wheel. And this was his family road trip car and he would drive it all over the mountain west.

• 1:18:11Speaker 04

  All right, kids, buckle up. Five minutes later. Gas stop for gas. All right, buckle up. Five minutes later.

• 1:18:15Speaker 03

  And now he's going to get a Ford GT, which is the same.

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  Exact same.

• 1:18:19Speaker 03

  In that while.

• 1:18:19Speaker 04

  That's, that's a cool guy.

• 1:18:21Speaker 02

  That's a, obviously a legitimate, real car enthusiast, unlike some people.

• 1:18:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, Sean.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  Oh my god, poor Sean.

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  Poor Sean. But no, that did really well. My little Cayman R I had there did well, 117.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  Cayman R did well, the SLR did really well.

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  433.

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  I was disappointed at the Clio V6 sale because it was very strong. And I'm always trying to angle my way into a Clio V6. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's cool.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  But for 90 Gs, I don't know how many angles I'm gonna be doing.

• 1:18:51Speaker 04

  I feel like that's 40, maybe, for fun.

• 1:18:52Speaker 02

  It's a pretty, I mean, this was a perfect one. It was 19,000 miles, I think. It was like as nice as it'll get. So this is like a top value. But at the same time, this is kind of the one you want. Like, it's a really, really clean one. Like, you don't have to deal with any, it being.

• 1:19:04Speaker 04

  They're so cool.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  They're so cool.

• 1:19:06Speaker 03

  The rear three quarters, one of the coolest.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Not a very usable, practical car for me personally, but I drove it and I thought I was so into it and I want it, but 90 Gs is big money.

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  Did you guys find that having, having the auction at a location, did that help the sales? Were people walking by going, oh, this is for sale, I will bid?

• 1:19:21Speaker 03

  The guy who bought my car was there, bought it in person. He came up to me and he's like, Ken, I know there are four minutes left in the auction, but I have to ask you a quick question. It's like, yep, it's like meeting your commenter in real life.

• 1:19:29Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:19:30Speaker 03

  But it was, uh, yeah.

• 1:19:32Speaker 04

  I could go either way.

• 1:19:32Speaker 03

  He asked me a couple of questions, then he went and he bought the car. And he was bidding on it.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Where is he? He's in SoCal?

• 1:19:37Speaker 03

  He's in SoCal, it's going to Los Angeles, he had to stay in Los.

• 1:19:39Speaker 04

  What did you sell? Was it your car or your client's car?

• 1:19:41Speaker 03

  It was my client's car. This came, this.

• 1:19:42Speaker 04

  And that's from your business bids and cars, right?

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  Bids and cars.

• 1:19:47Speaker 03

  Yep, exactly. Ken and R. But yeah, this thing, yeah, it's sold, it was 3,000 miles on it. It's gotta be the last nice Cayman R.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  There are probably some others, but it's very rare to see one like this. Most people bought them and drove them, which was the intent.

• 1:19:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's so cool.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  There's probably a couple of nice ones out there, but most people just drove them. Yeah, that's a good point.

• 1:20:05Speaker 03

  But yeah, including a bunch of Peridot people who have Peridot no AC cars, thanks to you.

• 1:20:09Speaker 02

  That's right. Uh, okay, I want to talk, I want to move on to the questions, which are, the questions are brought to you by Zach Clapman. Now, I tried to make, I tried to make the talk cars segment brought to you by Zach Clapman, but I was told that it had to be brought to you by the Cars and Bids Festival. More information on that coming soon.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, go sign up for the Cars and Bids Festival. When is it? Where is it? I don't know. There's limited car spots. We want our fans to get them. Sean is saying there's limited car spots and we want our fans to get them. Folks, you gotta sign up. The time is now.

• 1:20:39Speaker 04

  And when will the event happen? We don't know. And where? We're not sure.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Next week, I'm gonna have all the details. I'm gonna get a one pager from Sean. I'm gonna get a nice one pager. I want graphics on it.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  You agree it should have graphics?

• 1:20:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  This is gonna be EDM festival?

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  And my name should be bold, big print like Trump, like he won't read anything unless his name is like a large print somewhere on it. That's what I want.

• 1:21:01Speaker 03

  Get on it.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  Okay, anyway, the questions are brought to you by Zach Clapman. You can follow him on Instagram at Real Zach Clapman.

• 1:21:06Speaker 04

  The Real Zach Clapman.

• 1:21:07Speaker 02

  The Real Zach Clapman.

• 1:21:08Speaker 03

  Is there a fake Zach Clapman?

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  Regular Real Zach Clapman is someone different.

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  I was fake Zach Clapman for many, many years and I realized it's probably hurting my branding because people are like, oh, this isn't the guy I want to find. So I, I did that for like six years. I think Freddie Hernandez was like, this is not a good idea. I went, oh.

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  Taking advice from Freddie. Holy crap, this is Freddie's first good piece of advice. No, I love Freddie here. We do.

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  I do love Freddie.

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  Uh, there's actually a question about that that I wanted to cover.

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  About Freddie?

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  Oh, here's the question from, from IDM or LDM Tag. Last week we had on the Cars and Bids CEO, Dan. Here's the question, and it's also relates to you. I bet Dan, this isn't actually a question, it's just complaint, and I just, but I want to address it head on.

• 1:21:54Speaker 03

  What a comment.

• 1:21:55Speaker 02

  I bet Dan bought his seat on the pod. That's what those cringey lame millionaires always do. He's, he's like, works here.

• 1:22:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. He doesn't, all he has to do is withhold your wages and then he's on the show.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  They are obsessed with money and nobody likes them, so they have to pay people to play with them. That was the comment. And the reason I bring this up, Dan did not buy his seat on the pod. He is our.

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  But you know who did buy a seat on the pod? Zack Klapman.

• 1:22:23Speaker 04

  I did.

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  He's wants, he needs those Instagram followers, folks.

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. $4,000 to be here. And you guys got me a Waba, a Waba Grill bowl, which I paid for effectively. And I had to bring this Diet Coke.

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  Jesus. What do you think we should charge people to be on this podcast?

• 1:22:40Speaker 04

  Depends on who they are, my friend. That is a sliding scale.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  What about, um, who do you, who do you want to see on the pod, but only if they pay?

• 1:22:50Speaker 04

  Like, what would you, what would you charge Elon Musk to be on the pod?

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  Oh, you know, that would get us views. Sean would be like, no, we can't charge him. The views, think of the views. Who would get no views but like, has some money? That's the question.

• 1:23:03Speaker 04

  Bill Gates? No, he would get views. Um.

• 1:23:06Speaker 03

  I, I don't want to be, Harry Metcalf needs to be on the pod at some point.

• 1:23:09Speaker 04

  He'd be great.

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  I would give, I would pay Harry Metcalf to be on the pod.

• 1:23:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, he'd be awesome.

• 1:23:13Speaker 03

  He's worth it.

• 1:23:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:14Speaker 03

  But he's a very, he's a niche. He's a niche that we love and.

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  Anyway, nobody pays to get on this pod. Uh.

• 1:23:20Speaker 04

  The CEO of HP.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  Whoever it is.

• 1:23:23Speaker 04

  Right, I don't know who that is.

• 1:23:24Speaker 03

  Guy and his spooky looking wife.

• 1:23:26Speaker 04

  No, no, he's too topical. You'd have to go obscure, like tech company, no one really cares about. You don't know who the CEO is, put him on there and everyone, no one's clicking through.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  If he tossed me 40 Gs and 20 of it would have to be to me personally.

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  CEO of, sure. Microphones. Yeah, gotta write you a check.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I don't care how into cars these people are, they gotta pay me. Me, personally. Anyway, Zach Klapman paid for his pod seat and, um, it was $81 he paid and it was, he wrote of a personal check.

• 1:23:55Speaker 04

  Don't cast it.

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  It's like upgraded economy plus.

• 1:23:57Speaker 04

  Two days.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  Two days?

• 1:23:58Speaker 04

  Two days. Should be, should be all right.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  Uh, okay, next question.

• 1:24:03Speaker 04

  Collections and bids coming soon.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  Uh, next question from Devon the Awesome on cars. Dear Zach, what is your plan to overthrow Matt and become the Smoking Tire? Have you ever thought about becoming the Smoking Tire?

• 1:24:17Speaker 04

  Well, I thought, I did think about this because I did see this question. Um, so my, my idea is I'm gonna take Matt's Countach key because the Countach is still being worked on. And I give it to a friend of mine who's gonna climb Everest. He's gonna leave the key at the top of Everest. And then while Matt has to go find that key.

• 1:24:30Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 1:24:31Speaker 04

  Absence.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Do you think it might be easier for Matt to just have a new, kind of new key made?

• 1:24:37Speaker 04

  I, look, I don't really think things through.

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  It is a Countach, you could use a spoon, I think, probably would start.

• 1:24:42Speaker 02

  Do you have a friend climbing Everest?

• 1:24:43Speaker 04

  Maybe I'll take a wheel off the car.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Is that, is that a truth?

• 1:24:47Speaker 04

  Take one of his cats.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  Do you actually have a friend climbing Everest?

• 1:24:50Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Do you climb anything?

• 1:24:51Speaker 04

  All of this. Uh, rock climb, it's fun.

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:24:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's great.

• 1:24:55Speaker 02

  What do you do? At a gym or at a place?

• 1:24:58Speaker 04

  Isn't a place, isn't a gym a place?

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  Do you ever go to Joshua Tree?

• 1:25:01Speaker 04

  I have done a Joshua Tree once, but I do indoor because if I go outdoor, I don't know what I'm doing and I will, I will die.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  But indoor, you know what you're doing.

• 1:25:08Speaker 04

  Indoor, someone else has set up the engineering. As I just demonstrated with the bad Countach joke, I don't think things through. So if I had to think through keeping myself alive out in the actual mountain.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  Wouldn't be done.

• 1:25:18Speaker 04

  I would be dead. Yeah.

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  When you went to Joshua Tree.

• 1:25:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  Did you go in like a van with a bunch of people?

• 1:25:24Speaker 04

  I went with my family and we had a, a rock climbing guide.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  A guy, a fellow?

• 1:25:29Speaker 04

  But there was no van, sorry.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  What was the guy?

• 1:25:31Speaker 04

  There was no, this, it wasn't this van.

• 1:25:33Speaker 02

  Was the guy's named Kai?

• 1:25:34Speaker 04

  It was something like that probably, you know, or like, uh, Teva or Flip Flop or whatever. They're all, but they're, those are like the happiest people.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  They're happy, they just live out there and rock climb. We should all be so lucky. Oh no, I would die. I would even die doing it indoor.

• 1:25:48Speaker 04

  You know, it's, it's fun because it's physical, but also mental. You have to like plan, you gotta play a little bit of chess.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  You know what I do? I play the tennis and that is both physical and mental.

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Well, you gotta.

• 1:25:57Speaker 04

  You just gotta hit the ball.

• 1:25:57Speaker 02

  But no, no, it's a little more complicated than that. Only a little.

• 1:26:05Speaker 04

  Am I picking a scab?

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:26:07Speaker 04

  Which vector? I know.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  You gotta hit the ball, but also you have to make sure the opponent does not hit the ball back. See, there's two components to it. It's two steps. Now, I was playing yesterday over at the tennis club that also has pickleball court.

• 1:26:18Speaker 04

  Do you hit with both hands or just one hand?

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  No, I hit with just one hand.

• 1:26:20Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  I was playing yesterday at the tennis club that also has a pickleball court. There are people who hit with both hands, who have two forehands.

• 1:26:26Speaker 04

  Hand it back.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they just throw the racket back and forth. That's legit. And there are people who get pretty high up in tennis doing that. Uh, anyway, I was playing at the tennis court where there are all the pickleball courts and tennis, there's like two people on 40 courts and pickleball's like completely crowded. And I heard two pickleball people get into like a screaming fight about a line call. It was great stuff. It's like, bolt!

• 1:26:44Speaker 04

  There's videos of people getting fistfights.

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  No way, bolt! Like, it was, it was like.

• 1:26:49Speaker 04

  That was on the line!

• 1:26:50Speaker 02

  It was great to hear.

• 1:26:51Speaker 04

  Your foot was in the kitchen. And when the game is called pickleball, it just seems so, you know, trivial.

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  So what are we doing here?

• 1:26:57Speaker 03

  That's what, one of the main, main things tennis players hate about pickleball players. It's like, it's a, it's a game.

• 1:27:02Speaker 04

  Tennis isn't the strongest word in the world, you know, either, but it's.

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  You wanna play? Let's go!

• 1:27:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure. I'm bad.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  Okay, next question. Uh, next question. Dear Zach, what car would you get today if you had to sell your E46?

• 1:27:15Speaker 04

  Probably E92 M3, which is a bad idea.

• 1:27:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:18Speaker 04

  But I can't, I can't quit you. Like, it's just, it's, it's my car, but it sounds better and maybe more reliable?

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  Heard?

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  No, worse.

• 1:27:25Speaker 04

  No, worse?

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  Well, I, they don't have the chassis problem.

• 1:27:28Speaker 04

  Well, I don't have that. I welded the things in.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  Right, so then that's all. So it's like, but yeah, you got broad bearings. We can, BE bearings makes a good replacement. So our laxers can be done.

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  Here's the thing that my car and so many great cars have is the lie, which is if you address these small, these issues, the big three, whatever you want to call them, nothing else will ever break. And people say in the air-cooled community, people say in the Audi community, whatever, and it's a [bleep] lie that we all tell ourselves to get more people in the cult. Because no one told me that the gauge cluster would stop working and the air conditioning would turn off and the headliner would fall down, or that the throttle position sensors would just go out and they're buried in the center of the engine, like the center of the earth. Nobody says that.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  Our friend Sam went through this.

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  Let me translate it for you.

• 1:28:07Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  When the car's under warranty, it's under warranty.

• 1:28:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  After that period, there are the big three, for a while. But then at some point it becomes an old car. And at that point, anything can happen. It is fair game. It is, it is, those components are 20 years old.

• 1:28:22Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  At any moment, any of them can fail. The big three, you're past the era where the big three is all that matters. Now you have the big infinite.

• 1:28:29Speaker 04

  The big 30.

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  Anything can fail.

• 1:28:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:36Speaker 02

  That's why you should upgrade to a more modern one, an E92M3. Get yourself right back into big three territory.

• 1:28:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, so is that, but, uh, or maybe I've heard good things about the Mark 8 Golf R from like, Jack Holmes has one, James from Throttle House has one. Pretty damn reliable.

• 1:28:49Speaker 02

  Hey, by the way, are you pissed about this whole Throttle House thing?

• 1:28:52Speaker 04

  In what way?

• 1:28:53Speaker 02

  They did this TV show and I'm not a part of it and you're not a part of it.

• 1:28:56Speaker 04

  I, I did, I felt a little hurt that I didn't even get an email.

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  An email?

• 1:29:01Speaker 04

  And, and actually funny than this, we had Richard Porter on our show recently and he was like, if, you know, writer for Top Gear for 15 years, then he worked on the Grand Tour with Jeremy and Richard and, uh, and James, he's there. So he was there in the new meetings as well. And he's, and he's walking around, he's telling me a story, he's like, man, before we found Francis, he's like, we had so many screen tests, just, it's just so many, just months and months of testing and people flying in and out and this person, not that person, just couldn't find the person that worked. And I'm sitting there going, cool, cool. So it's not that they chose Francis immediately and he's great. He is truly great and I have totally flipped my, my opinion of him. They tested everyone in the world and I've known Porter for 10 years and I was like, man, that's,

• 1:29:45Speaker 04

  and I get it. I have a small following, I am small, I have aged out a bit, but I, in that moment, I really knew it to be true.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  I am upset.

• 1:29:54Speaker 04

  I mean, you're more famous, so you should be more upset.

• 1:29:56Speaker 02

  Where was my email? Where was my pleading from, from James and Thomas? Yeah, it should, the email should have come from Temerian. I want him to invite me to stuff and invite me to the Grand Tour.

• 1:30:09Speaker 03

  It's been a journey today.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  I think you would have been great. I never would have done it. I think you would have been great.

• 1:30:13Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you very much.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  Let's fire one of them.

• 1:30:16Speaker 04

  Oh, you, you pick. I'll let you pick that.

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  James.

• 1:30:22Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:30:23Speaker 04

  It's so funny.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  No, I liked them all. The show, the show went off perfectly. It's one.

• 1:30:28Speaker 04

  Not perfect, but it's pretty good. They have some stuff.

• 1:30:30Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:30:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I sent them notes. It's fine. They know. I did.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Was one of the notes?

• 1:30:35Speaker 04

  I can't turn off the, you know, idiot in me that 10 years ago was like, you know, making TV and online shows. And I'm like, oh, I see this and that.

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Was one of the notes that they should have hired you?

• 1:30:43Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:30:44Speaker 04

  I'm definitely not gonna be that guy.

• 1:30:46Speaker 02

  Uh, next question. This is, should I ask a legitimate question or a ridiculous question?

• 1:30:50Speaker 03

  Give us a legitimate one for once.

• 1:30:52Speaker 02

  Okay, from M-Tech, question for Zach. What were some favorites you saw at Woodward? You went to Woodward?

• 1:30:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, dude, it was fun.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  I always have wanted to go.

• 1:30:59Speaker 03

  Next year, well, next year's our year because car week and that don't align.

• 1:31:03Speaker 02

  I was in a Silvery 36 M3 sedan. You gave a nod of approval. True. I broke down three bucks later.

• 1:31:10Speaker 02

  Still made my day.

• 1:31:13Speaker 04

  All right, I wrote down three. I can airdrop you photos later. Uh, one was a VW Beetle, like a classic Beetle, being driven by this, you know, older couple, but they had cut all the bodywork, almost like a doily, and then painted it yellow.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:31:25Speaker 04

  Like the whole thing, all the bodywork, the metal was now like a skeleton, but cut in a very artful, swoopy way, and then they.

• 1:31:32Speaker 02

  But it was still a running car.

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  Still a running car and you could still see the shape of Beetle. So like, that's what Detroit was great for is craftsmanship, customization. There was a whole lot of, I built this in my garage during the winter, here it is. And you don't see that in Monterey. Monterey's all, I purchased this, a lot of, you know, depends on the event you go to, like SoCal has everything. Um, so that's what I loved about Detroit is the home-built crazy stuff.

• 1:31:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:55Speaker 04

  Uh, a lifted Ford Galaxy 500. Again, I just like lifted muscle cars. It's just, it's like, it's like pizza in a chocolate chip cookie and it works somehow. Like put them on the same, the same plate, I'll eat it. And then, um, there was a guy that was driving a, a 68 Camaro that had like, you know, the older cars had, they rode a lot higher. They just have this higher ride than anything in here. And things idling awesome. It sounds perfect. And he looked over and he looked, his face said, I've been in this car 30 minutes too long. We, we're so like jaded by the comfort, like, you know, new Mustang GT, dark horse, whatever. Pretty comfortable to operate for hours on end, but the old stuff, when you're just smelling gasoline and it's shaking your brain and he just, he looked weary, but he was still trying to stunt.

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  I, you know, every summer I drive cross-country twice and I think to myself a lot about in the 70s and the 60s, people did this in those cars.

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:50Speaker 02

  Hours on end.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Loud smelling fuel.

• 1:32:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, windows down because there's no AC.

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and a lot of times they broke down.

• 1:32:59Speaker 04

  And they were.

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  Which added even more annoyance to the journey, but like, I can't imagine, to this day, when I'm crossing the country, you will see one or two, you know, this year I saw an old, a Grand Wagoneer, but probably early 80s one.

• 1:33:11Speaker 04

  Bad car.

• 1:33:11Speaker 02

  North Carolina plates. I was in North Texas, like he was clearly going back and that was gonna be four days on the road, you know? And it's like, oh man, imagine that.

• 1:33:21Speaker 04

  That's a really long drive because that car, again, slow and bad miles per gallon. And I mean, that's a really long trip.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  The, the guy in the Camaro, the fun of that car is you take it to an event, you drive it for an hour on the weekends, that's it. But like people daily these cars in period.

• 1:33:36Speaker 04

  I think it was probably a lot more exhausting. Like if you've ever driven an old, any loud 60s, 70s car, after two hours on the highway, like the wind's coming in, it's getting buffeting in your head. It's like riding a motorcycle.

• 1:33:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:46Speaker 04

  And you get off and there's a special kind of exhaustion where it's just, your brain is scrambled and you need the sand to settle.

• 1:33:52Speaker 02

  Buzzing.

• 1:33:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. So everyone's just doing that all the time, you know, in the 70s.

• 1:33:56Speaker 02

  Uh, what were you driving in Woodward?

• 1:33:58Speaker 04

  Uh, we borrowed a Ford GT from, uh.

• 1:34:00Speaker 02

  Wait, what year?

• 1:34:01Speaker 04

  Uh, 05, I think, with a Golf livery, which I didn't like conceptually. And then when I saw it, I was like, this looks awesome.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  It does look awesome. That's what I hear.

• 1:34:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  People tell me that.

• 1:34:10Speaker 04

  Really good.

• 1:34:11Speaker 02

  People tell me that.

• 1:34:12Speaker 04

  It did. I, look, I would prefer various colors with stripes, but.

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  Really? Over the Golf livery?

• 1:34:17Speaker 04

  I mean, the Golf thing, I just go, all right, would I drive around with Chevron painted across my car or shell? No, I wouldn't. And, but the way it's designed on there, I think is better looking than on a Porsche 917.

• 1:34:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:27Speaker 04

  But I just don't have this reverence for like, this is painted like the fuel company that used to sponsor the car. I don't care. I want the car to look good.

• 1:34:34Speaker 03

  Wait, what's the spec for you then?

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  What's your least favorite Ford GT color?

• 1:34:40Speaker 04

  Um, I think white with blue stripes.

• 1:34:41Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:34:42Speaker 04

  Cause again, I think white hides, this car has wonderful shape and curve and I think white gets really flat when it's too bright.

• 1:34:49Speaker 02

  Black hides it?

• 1:34:50Speaker 04

  Black does too. Black would be my other least favorite. Yeah. Either one of those, anything that mutes what is a great shape, I think is a bad choice.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  Which is why the heritage color is a great choice.

• 1:35:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, if you did, now, if, if the white has a lot of pearl, like.

• 1:35:05Speaker 02

  It doesn't, it's flat.

• 1:35:06Speaker 04

  I know it doesn't. Saying if a white, like Lexus white would be better on Ford GT.

• 1:35:10Speaker 02

  No, yeah. It's the exact same white. Yeah, whatever it was called. It was the same, you might touch on it.

• 1:35:15Speaker 04

  Dude, it's just fence white. It's flat fence white. It's, it's very boring.

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:35:17Speaker 04

  But that, that car was so easy to drive around. I'd never driven one before. Steering is light, but not too light. Clutch is easy. Shifter is awesome. Like very easy thing to operate, but the entire town, of course, loves it. You are a total celebrity in that town with that car.

• 1:35:34Speaker 02

  Best American car?

• 1:35:35Speaker 04

  I would buy one of those in a second. What?

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  Best American car ever made?

• 1:35:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:35:39Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 1:35:39Speaker 03

  Second is harder to pick, but yeah, number one.

• 1:35:41Speaker 02

  I mean, like the Model T, if there's like seminal cars, but like in terms of like the most desirable American car ever made, 05 Ford GT.

• 1:35:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would agree with that.

• 1:35:50Speaker 02

  Although, do you still have that Plymouth Voyager? Uh, okay, I got, uh, we got time for three more questions, maybe four if we're really fast.

• 1:35:57Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:35:57Speaker 02

  Next question from Prosin13. Dear all.

• 1:36:01Speaker 04

  That's them too.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  If they were to remake Gone in 60 Seconds again, what would be the cars they would steal and what would the lead character steal at the end?

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  Wait, are we assuming the first one has been made? This is the, or is this?

• 1:36:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I mean, they're just making a new remake because that was like 2000 or 25.

• 1:36:16Speaker 03

  They would make, Eleanor would still be the main character, obviously.

• 1:36:19Speaker 04

  I think Ford would pay a ton of money to have some sort of, it'd probably be like a Dark Horse SC.

• 1:36:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:26Speaker 02

  But if it was a Dark Horse SC, that would be like, you're trying to steal, like, they steal it from a Ford dealership, but there are 11 others.

• 1:36:33Speaker 03

  So true.

• 1:36:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:36:34Speaker 04

  All right, go ahead.

• 1:36:35Speaker 03

  Um, no, I think, I think that would still be the seminal.

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  I agree. I think Eleanor would still be the car.

• 1:36:40Speaker 03

  Eleanor is like, of all the cars in that movie, because boy, there are a lot of them, uh, that one is the, the one. Like it's the one in the chase scene. It's like, that's the one that got away.

• 1:36:50Speaker 04

  Bring that car back to now and that like younger people who don't know what the Eleanor GT500 Boyd Cottington era is would care.

• 1:36:57Speaker 02

  I think they would learn to care because of the movie.

• 1:36:59Speaker 04

  They'll learn to care.

• 1:37:01Speaker 02

  I think the movie, like, I didn't know when I first saw them, you know, and then I saw that movie and like realized, oh, like this is a cool thing.

• 1:37:06Speaker 04

  It's a good point.

• 1:37:06Speaker 02

  Why? What do you think they would, what's, what do you think the hero steal car would be?

• 1:37:09Speaker 04

  I think they would, I think because of how things work these days, they would take the most money from whichever OEM gave them most and that would be the hero car.

• 1:37:16Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 1:37:16Speaker 04

  And, and based on Fast and Furious, Dodge gives them all the money, so it would probably be Ford and they would probably seriously do something like GTD maybe? That, that'd be more rare. Or they would have some special thing they're launching that, that would steal it from the concept.

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  Like, oh, we're stealing the first one.

• 1:37:31Speaker 04

  From the vault or whatever. You can't even buy these right now.

• 1:37:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's probably true.

• 1:37:35Speaker 04

  But other things, I think they'd steal an R34GTR. I think someone would steal a 240SX. Cause they have, they need those cars you burn through real quick where it's the montage, um, G-Wagon.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:46Speaker 04

  I think they would steal an EV Hummer so that they could make a joke about having to recharge on the way to the shipyard or what. Like they'd have to drop in some sort of recharge joke and then recharge. I just want to make sure.

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  What do you mean? The battery's low.

• 1:38:00Speaker 02

  I have to charge the car?

• 1:38:01Speaker 04

  And then Tesla, they might walk past and go, nah, they'd have, they'd put some dumb joke in there.

• 1:38:06Speaker 02

  Now, remember the original movie devoted an enormous amount of screen time to the then-new 1999 Cadillac Escalade. Do you remember that?

• 1:38:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:38:13Speaker 02

  The Escalade played a huge role in the movie. They stole it from like a suburban garage. They like, got the garage code or whatever.

• 1:38:21Speaker 04

  Stuck in suburbia hell, that's right.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then the girl like saw them stealing it and then that was when someone got shot, which is like a really important part of the movie because they were like fleeing the security patrol.

• 1:38:30Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  The Escalade, which must have been product placement.

• 1:38:33Speaker 04

  Probably the only shooting that car's ever been used in.

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:38:38Speaker 04

  Well, I don't, I truly don't know of another example.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  Of an Escalade?

• 1:38:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, being involved in any kind of shooting.

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  No, I agree with you. There are none. Biggie, for example, was in a Tahoe.

• 1:38:49Speaker 04

  Was he?

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:38:50Speaker 04

  I think he was in a car.

• 1:38:51Speaker 02

  No, no, no, the car, it was a 94, 96 Impala SS that was the shooter car, but he was in an SUV.

• 1:38:56Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:38:57Speaker 02

  What was Biggie drive? When he got, this is all over. You know, this happened at the Peterson Museum.

• 1:39:03Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  He was in a GMC Suburban. I don't think they had Denali back then. Otherwise, he would have been.

• 1:39:08Speaker 04

  Well.

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  And the acres of leather would have stopped the bullet.

• 1:39:11Speaker 04

  How different are those two cars?

• 1:39:12Speaker 03

  I think the, they would have had, I think Daytona SP3 would be another car.

• 1:39:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, there were some crazy exotic in that first movie in addition to the stuff they have to burn through. Remember the SE30 Diablo, there was an XJ220?

• 1:39:23Speaker 03

  Yep. What else do you have in the warehouse?

• 1:39:25Speaker 02

  What else do you have in the warehouse? It's still the greatest movie line of all time.

• 1:39:28Speaker 04

  Forty-one.

• 1:39:28Speaker 03

  Two Rogers don't make it right.

• 1:39:30Speaker 02

  Two Rogers don't make it right. That scene is so good.

• 1:39:33Speaker 04

  It is.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  Also, the concept that there's a Ferrari dealership somewhere that has a warehouse. And instead of putting a 275 GTB and an F40 on the showroom, they're like, yeah, you know what? I think let's just put that stuff away.

• 1:39:44Speaker 03

  Put that old junk in the back.

• 1:39:46Speaker 04

  You should just do the whole scene. We know you have the voice.

• 1:39:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, so three, I saw three of these out in front of my local Starbucks. That's so, yeah, too many self-indulgent weeners that have too much bloody money.

• 1:39:59Speaker 04

  You would not be a self-indulgent weiner, sir. You'd be a connoisseur.

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  Okay, we need to do another question. Next question from Jack A Moldy8966. Dear Doug, how do you feel that your EVs of the future will have fish tanks take? Has been proven largely correct by the flying appliance on wheels that is the Tesla Roadster? I have this theory that because powertrain is not a distinct feature in electric cars.

• 1:40:21Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:40:22Speaker 02

  That future EVs will have to distinguish themselves in other ways. Things like having a fish tank in the car. I mean, I joked about this, but like a basketball court in the car, like stuff like that in order to make them special. And now here we are with Tesla flying, which kind of proves the point. Like, everything does zero to 60 in one second. So how do you distinguish yourself while your car flies? And I feel pretty good. What do you think that future cars will have to distinguish themselves? A Chinese car that jumps, the one that floats?

• 1:40:49Speaker 04

  I saw a video of, I think it was a Chinese EV, but it was like a all-in-one camper van that like the seats rotate. Like you hit a button, the seats rotate, the top pops, like the thing just turns into a bed. So it's like, you know, it's like an expensive Sprinter camper van, but it was in minivan size. I think now that they have, you have so much electricity on board.

• 1:41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:07Speaker 04

  So anything you can do with like a servo and electric motors and actuators, they'll do that first. Like we have, you know, the suspension that can lift itself, the cars can kind of hop. And then they'll get bored of that and they'll probably just add more like bobbles and technology to the inside that people use or don't. That's my guess.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  The idea of campers that you just press a button and convert is a pretty good one. Like campers, even today, people spend crazy money for campers that are very manual. Like, I don't know if you've spent much time popping a tent and making it happen, but like, there's the latch and then you gotta push this in some, from some weird angle, you know, and you're doing this.

• 1:41:39Speaker 03

  I find Kevin in his truck. He's got to get in there and like, you know, it's a whole thing.

• 1:41:42Speaker 02

  And then you gotta lock it in place and then you gotta fold out this. And we had a Euro van and it was like that. It was like, oh my god.

• 1:41:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I had to film some stuff for that. Boy, that was tough. That was tough.

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, that would be cool.

• 1:41:52Speaker 03

  But yeah, more, yeah, taking things that are manual and stuff like that and turning them into like a single push button.

• 1:41:57Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:41:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:58Speaker 04

  And they'll have like coffee machines probably eventually. I mean, they've had that, like you could plug it into the DC thing for a long time. But they'll probably have like espresso machines and they'll add, like it'll be a partnership with, uh, what's this, the pot company?

• 1:42:11Speaker 03

  Nespresso?

• 1:42:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're like, they'll just, it'll be the Toyota with Nespresso.

• 1:42:14Speaker 02

  That'd be great.

• 1:42:15Speaker 03

  Toyota branded Nespresso?

• 1:42:16Speaker 02

  I'm there.

• 1:42:17Speaker 03

  The Mercedes branded perfume stuff, more stuff like that.

• 1:42:19Speaker 02

  You know, I have a Toyota coloring book.

• 1:42:22Speaker 03

  And we have the bee and the goat still up there.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  They're up there. Wow. You want one of those?

• 1:42:27Speaker 03

  Stuffed animals from Toyota that he bought that are just like.

• 1:42:30Speaker 02

  When I bought a brand new Toyota Sequoia, like I first.

• 1:42:33Speaker 04

  Why didn't you buy a Toreg?

• 1:42:36Speaker 02

  I needed three rows.

• 1:42:37Speaker 03

  Got it.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  Otherwise would have.

• 1:42:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:38Speaker 02

  Unquestionably. Thought about installing a self-made third row in the back of a Toreg, but decided not to.

• 1:42:43Speaker 04

  The kids in the trailer. I just feel like you're selling me a problem because you want to watch me fall.

• 1:42:48Speaker 02

  I want to watch someone take advantage of the incredible bargain that is this Toreg. Folks out there and.

• 1:42:54Speaker 04

  It's gonna be great.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  Since Zach won't do it, I think it's on you now. Uh, okay, last two questions. Uh, from 100 Series LX. Dear Doug, you regularly share your love of the 100 Series, yet you have never owned one. What gives? I'm asking this question to you.

• 1:43:11Speaker 04

  Like F-150?

• 1:43:12Speaker 02

  No, 100 Series Toyota Land Cruiser.

• 1:43:15Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:43:16Speaker 03

  Give me a nice one.

• 1:43:18Speaker 02

  Why have we never had one of these?

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  God, these are so expensive.

• 1:43:20Speaker 02

  The nice ones are expensive. You can get a, you can get a cheap one.

• 1:43:22Speaker 04

  I would definitely get a, like, exterior can be absolutely effed and then redo the interior and the car would just work.

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  Why have I never had?

• 1:43:29Speaker 04

  I'd rather get this than a Toreg, I'll tell you what.

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the Toregs, low my, look at the.

• 1:43:34Speaker 04

  That's for 50.

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  Man, let's tell you what, you see Illinois plates on one of these, you run as fast as you can.

• 1:43:40Speaker 04

  Because the rust. Yeah, the rust in Detroit was unreal.

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  It's crazy, isn't it?

• 1:43:44Speaker 04

  I've never seen anything like that.

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  California people, like I've lived in non-rust states my whole life and every time I go to Detroit, you land and you start driving around, there are three-year-old cars, like currently in production cars with open rust.

• 1:43:56Speaker 04

  Open rust.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:43:57Speaker 04

  Leprechaun, like fenders falling off.

• 1:44:00Speaker 02

  Like, what, how is this possible? Anyway, uh, the reason I haven't had one is because they're a little too old for me. But I want one. It is my favorite Land Cruiser. It is the best engine Toyota ever made.

• 1:44:11Speaker 04

  These are, there's a number of these for $6,000, not all from Illinois. And you push me into a Toreg? I'm actually a little upset.

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  This is an obvious choice. The Toreg is like under the radar. It's like those V8 bandages.

• 1:44:21Speaker 04

  Have I not demonstrated my self-flagellation with the M3 enough? Am I, do I not deserve a Japanese car for a little bit and you're trying to push me into a Toreg? What do I need to prove to you?

• 1:44:30Speaker 03

  I think you and I both, but we'll get there. For now.

• 1:44:32Speaker 04

  Good god.

• 1:44:33Speaker 02

  Everyone should have 100 Series Land Cruiser, by the way. If you're watching this right now at home and you don't have a 100 Series Land Cruiser, ask yourself why. Ask yourself, why are you doing this to yourself?

• 1:44:42Speaker 03

  Maybe I should get a 100 Series Land Cruiser.

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  You were just talking about how you want a 550 and nothing else.

• 1:44:46Speaker 03

  Well, and a BS, and a BS daily.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  Let's focus on the 550 before we buy a BS daily. Cause I'm gonna tell you, one of these with 420,000 miles is a BS daily. And that's what all these cheap ones are.

• 1:44:57Speaker 04

  That's fine. As long as it works, put a little lift on it, a little tire.

• 1:45:00Speaker 02

  I don't know that some of them do work. What's the mileage on this one? Selling for 8100?

• 1:45:04Speaker 03

  242.

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  242. This has a rear locker. This is a nice car. Whoever got this one got a deal. Oh, it was four years ago. That's a $23,000 car now.

• 1:45:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we gotta go by a year.

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  Okay, uh, final question, final question. Uh, from Bay Area Pro 4X. Final question, Dear Doug, what is your obscure license plate trivia of the day? Oh, thank you so much for asking.

• 1:45:26Speaker 03

  I'm gonna take a nap now.

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  Here's a great obscure license plate fact. For many years in Kansas, they used to do a design contest and people would submit their designs for the winner of the Kansas license plate. And then they would be a big vote and whoever won, won. And that was the license plate. But here's the crazy thing. The second place license plate would become the personalized license plate design. So in Kansas, the personalized license plate is a different design. So if you finished second, if the, the, the design theme that finished second was the personalized license plate.

• 1:46:02Speaker 04

  So the, the best design.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  The best design.

• 1:46:04Speaker 04

  Couldn't get personalized at all. You go, I want that one. They go, no, no, no, you have to get this one.

• 1:46:08Speaker 02

  You have to get the second best design. Pay extra for it. You have to get the second best design.

• 1:46:13Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:46:14Speaker 02

  There is your obscure license plate.

• 1:46:15Speaker 04

  How many ways can you draw corn?

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  Well, actually, that's an interesting point. Pull up the Kansas personalized license plate. It is not corn. It is the other thing that Kansas is known for.

• 1:46:24Speaker 04

  Being flat.

• 1:46:25Speaker 02

  Yes, actually. Kansas personalized license plate. You're gonna be like, how could it possibly be a license plate about being flat? Well, because this is the design.

• 1:46:36Speaker 04

  Oh, wait, well, windmill.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  There are windmills.

• 1:46:38Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:46:38Speaker 02

  And that's what we're good at.

• 1:46:40Speaker 04

  Well, I was looking at it to the stars and it's like, oh my god, you're not kidding. They.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  This may be the new one. See, this is, this looks like it says Kansas reveals winning. I bet that was the winner and then second place will end up being whatever. Anyway, this was the previous one and it was great. America's heartland. Uh, Zach Klapman, do you have anything else for us today?

• 1:46:56Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:46:56Speaker 02

  Do you want to have any like real stuff to really sink our teeth into at the very end here? No one's still watching.

• 1:47:02Speaker 04

  Anything happens when we die?

• 1:47:06Speaker 04

  Chew on that.

• 1:47:10Speaker 02

  Oh my god. Uh, thank you for participating. This is a fantastic podcast. We didn't mention Ryan Lopez one time, did we? Or maybe once.

• 1:47:16Speaker 04

  Many times.

• 1:47:17Speaker 02

  Especially many times. Ryan Lopez is over there doing great. Zach Klapman is here with us. Thank you so much. Thank you, everyone, for watching. Goodbye.

• 1:47:24Speaker 03

  Goodbye.