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Chapters:
00:00:00 CAR NEWS
00:00:13 Jaguar Type 01
00:06:04 Built-to-Order Nissan Zs
00:08:30 Doug's Japanese Sports Car Theory
00:11:01 We're Partnering with Stek!
00:12:18 New Lotus Supercar
00:14:34 Lotus is Ditching its Toyota Powertrain
00:20:47 New Audi Q9
00:24:11 Warby Parker
00:25:33 New $20K Chrysler
00:33:33 Lamborghini Fenomeno Roadster
00:35:22 Revueltos Are Collapsing
00:37:03 BMW Alpina Vision
00:40:16 Fast & Furious Show
00:42:58 AutoZone
00:44:48 TALK CARS
00:44:51 New Lexus ES
00:46:29 Lexus LBX
00:50:12 Kennan Damaged His M5
00:54:55 Filippo's Cars & Coffee Event
00:56:32 Velocity Invitational Event
00:58:53 MARKET REPORT
01:00:14 Cheap Full-Size Luxury SUVs
01:02:57 What's Going to Happen to Vintage Car Values
01:05:41 New 911 Values
01:06:51 QUESTIONS!
01:07:18 How is the Quality of Pre-Production Cars?
01:08:46 What Are Your Favorite Modifications?
01:11:39 What Happened to the Doug Bloopers?
01:12:41 Why Not More Lightweight 3-Seaters?
01:14:05 As You Get Older, Do You Have Less Tolerance for Daily Driving a Fun Car?
01:16:19 Is There Any Hope for Roadsters?
01:19:15 Final Thoughts
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1:04 Speaker 02 Hello and welcome to this car pod!
1:09 Doug DeMuro? I'm Kenan.
1:09 Speaker 04 I'm Filippo.
1:10 Doug DeMuro? I'm Doug. And it's time for the news. Ah!
1:13 Speaker 02 Ah!
1:14 Doug DeMuro? Jaguar.
1:14 Speaker 02 A mugging mistake.
1:16 Speaker 04 Yep, I think we've said all we need to say.
1:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, so what is the story?
1:20 Speaker 04 Okay, this car, which has been showing all around the world, but not formally ready for production yet.
1:25 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
1:25 Speaker 04 Now, we know the name.
1:27 Speaker 02 So it's Jaguar's concept, the electric, the V, new Jaguar.
1:31 Speaker 04 Yes, it's called the Type 01.
1:33 Doug DeMuro? Type 01, apparently it will be confirmed a four-door, which this, I don't know how many doors this has.
1:40 Speaker 02 Right. I'll tell you what, their shut lines have gotten really tight. I can't even see through this.
1:44 Speaker 04 Well, quality phenomenal.
1:45 Doug DeMuro? This may be a two-door, but like, this, I don't know what this is. And also, what if the door opens like a gullwing? You know what I mean?
1:51 Speaker 02 Oh.
1:51 Doug DeMuro? The real one will not be that. It's gonna be a four-door, and it's gonna be called the Type 01, and it's gonna have about 1,000 horsepower and at least 960 pound-feet of torque. 1,000 horsepower.
2:01 Speaker 04 985, but yeah.
2:02 Doug DeMuro? What this is, is the Cadillac Celestiq of the Jaguar world. And I have a suspicion it were fair just as well. Do you agree?
2:12 Speaker 02 It'll be an equal success, I'm sure.
2:14 Doug DeMuro? Yes, yes. How many Celestix have you guys seen on the road? Try to count it out.
2:18 Speaker 02 Uh, let me carry the one, uh, it would be none.
2:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Oh, combined zero. And I also have not seen one, so unfortunately, it's zero.
2:27 Speaker 04 But one of our coworkers has seen them. He lives in Detroit, but he has seen them.
2:32 Doug DeMuro? We have a co- I know a guy whose sister's uncle saw a Celest-
2:35 Speaker 02 Right. There's a guy in the next town over, he's seen one.
2:38 Speaker 04 Jag says that the type connects to their heritage.
2:41 Speaker 02 Yup. It does.
2:42 Speaker 04 And then 01 points forward, zero tailpipe emissions, and the first car of a new chapter.
2:47 Doug DeMuro? 01. Now, I think that the leading zero in 01 is ambitious.
3:00 Doug DeMuro? I think we'll see. Uh, I would have just called it the Type 1. Um, anyway, they, uh, when is it gonna come out? They said it'll be out, it's gonna be officially revealed later this year, which means it's out maybe in a year.
3:13 Speaker 04 Yeah, 27 is what they're saying. I want you to know that per quote, per quote from the Jaguar head, our engineers have, uh, achieved this with a vehicle that looks and drives like no other electric car. Unfortunately, most electric cars, pretty good.
3:27 Doug DeMuro? Well, and also, well, what do you mean it drives like no other electric car? Like they all, every electric car I've ever driven, from the Nissan Leaf to the Remac Nevera, drove basically the same.
3:36 Speaker 04 Nissan's thrilled by that comparison. They're nine seconds, zero to sixty days.
3:40 Doug DeMuro? Neither of those cars sold. Both of those cars tanked on the used market, so, hey, I have a suspicion of what's gonna happen here.
3:45 Speaker 04 It'll drive like no other electric car.
3:47 Doug DeMuro? Uh, I think it will drive like most other electric cars, and I, what did it, what was the other thing? It'll look like?
3:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's-
3:54 Speaker 02 Well-
3:55 Doug DeMuro? There is now spy shots of it, and I'll tell you what, it looks like a Celestic. Pull up, just type in Jaguar Type 01. It's like wild how much it looks like a Celestic.
4:04 Speaker 04 It's a good-looking car.
4:05 Doug DeMuro? It sucks because, that spy shot, it sucks because now the Celestic has, um, competition, which is gonna make it even harder to sell Celestics.
4:15 Speaker 04 No, a rising tide, you know?
4:19 Speaker 04 Yup, the rising tide of the $400,000 ultra luxury electric sedan market.
4:24 Doug DeMuro? By the way, I should note, we also now know that there's no rear window.
4:28 Speaker 04 Oh, good, like Polestar 4.
4:30 Doug DeMuro? Polestar 4?
4:31 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's the one.
4:31 Doug DeMuro? No one knows.
4:32 Speaker 04 Zoom out.
4:32 Doug DeMuro? There's a rear photo, there's a rear spy shot where it literally is a, they may have just, they may have just done a Celestic. It's not that one, but it doesn't matter, you get the idea. Uh, are you excited for this vehicle?
4:46 Speaker 04 As excited as I am about any other Jag that's coming out.
4:48 Doug DeMuro? As much as I am making fun of it, I am legitimately excited for it.
4:51 Speaker 04 Well, I think this looks cool.
4:52 Speaker 02 It looks cool. That does look cool.
4:53 Doug DeMuro? I always felt this looked cool, or at least like new and futuristic and crazy. And I loved, obviously like everyone did, I loved the video. When they announced their rebrand.
5:03 Speaker 04 Do you have a watch in a while?
5:04 Speaker 02 We were so nice to it on the podcast when it came out. And we had, they had those, that bunch of people from Berlin that appeared like.
5:11 Doug DeMuro? It was good content, people. It was like a whistling video, you never knew what was gonna explode next.
5:18 Speaker 02 That's true, the purple rocks.
5:20 Doug DeMuro? It was the brand primarily. So anyway, they, they, this is gonna be exciting.
5:26 Speaker 04 And probably 400-ish miles of range is what they're targeting. Three motors, 1,000ish horsepower.
5:31 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna, it's not gonna sell, but then they'll do lesser models, the Type O2 and the Type O3 and all that. You know, Polestar has already backed themselves into the corner by numbering the cars because
5:40 Speaker 04 Yup.
5:41 Doug DeMuro? The 2 is actually the flagship.
5:44 Speaker 04 No, the 4 is now the flagship.
5:47 Doug DeMuro? The 2 is more expensive than the 4. I'm sorry, the 3, the 5.
5:53 Speaker 02 Well, the.
5:55 Doug DeMuro? The 2 is the sedan.
5:56 Speaker 04 The 2 sedan.
5:57 Doug DeMuro? The 3 is the flagship.
5:58 Speaker 04 The 3 is the small SUV.
6:00 Doug DeMuro? That's the flagship.
6:00 Speaker 04 No, the, the big sedan is the flagship.
6:02 Speaker 02 Well, it's nice to know that it's easy to keep it straight.
6:04 Doug DeMuro? What big sedan?
6:04 Speaker 04 The one you reviewed. It's a hatchback, I guess. The 4.
6:07 Doug DeMuro? The 4 is cheaper.
6:08 Speaker 02 And just throw out another number below 10 there.
6:11 Doug DeMuro? The 4 starts at 56, the 3 starts at 68, the 3 is the flagship.
6:15 Speaker 04 My goodness, you're right.
6:16 Doug DeMuro? The 3 is the flagship.
6:17 Speaker 04 Wow.
6:18 Doug DeMuro? So it makes no sense.
6:19 Speaker 04 68 is so much more than that car should cost.
6:21 Doug DeMuro? Well, I bet, I bet you can get deals.
6:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, I love how it looks, by the way, the Polestar 3.
6:26 Doug DeMuro? Jag is probably gonna end up in the same situation unless, of course, the next car is called something different. Type O2. I'm excited. It's gonna be very exciting. We're gonna see it later this year. A thousand horsepower. In all truth, no one is excited and I really think this is gonna be a dud.
6:41 Speaker 04 Yep. Also, it was revealed in 2025. It's long lag.
6:46 Doug DeMuro? Long lag?
6:47 Speaker 04 Before seeing it in real life.
6:48 Doug DeMuro? Like the hood.
6:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
6:49 Speaker 02 Very long. In the back, honestly.
6:52 Speaker 04 What do you think is under the hood?
6:54 Speaker 02 I hope. I hope it's a long store. Based on, it doesn't look like it opens, so probably nothing.
6:59 Doug DeMuro? The Celeste, well, it's a concept car. The Celeste had a front trunk. Okay, on to our next news story, please.
7:06 Speaker 02 Ah, the Z.
7:08 Doug DeMuro? The new Nissan Z, which will soon become the old Nissan Z.
7:12 Speaker 04 Really?
7:12 Doug DeMuro? The, well, it kinda already is.
7:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:16 Doug DeMuro? The Drive is reporting that the Nissan Z, which was, has just gotten refreshed, is going to switch to, going forward to a, there's apparently a leaked Nissan dealer bulletin that says the Z is going to switch to a build-to-order production, which means that there won't just be stock units at the dealers. They're gonna specifically like build them in theory when a customer orders them, but probably dealers will order stock units. Nonetheless, I think the point is that production is going to decrease even more than it already is, which is significant because I saw one on the road the other day and I was thinking, wow, that is really rare.
7:53 Speaker 02 It is rare. I do notice them when I see them. And again, we live in Southern California, kind of the land where you can have sports cars and new cars are very common. Ever since they launched the new Z, I really just don't see them.
8:04 Doug DeMuro? So going forward, the 27 updates.
8:07 Speaker 04 Which are notable.
8:08 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna be super rare. Like, this is gonna be like the 98 Supra.
8:11 Speaker 02 This is gonna be the one to have.
8:12 Doug DeMuro? If you're a Mark IV man.
8:13 Speaker 04 If you're a Mark IV man, yeah, yeah, which everybody is.
8:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
8:17 Speaker 04 The updates, the refresh with 27 is actually pretty good. Manual and Nismo version.
8:22 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
8:22 Speaker 04 Desirable, but if it is order only and then build-to-order, that doesn't really work with the US dealer structure very well or getting sales.
8:28 Doug DeMuro? My understanding, whenever car companies have, more or less, whenever car companies have done build-to-order in the past, the building was done by the dealers, not necessarily the customers.
8:36 Speaker 04 Yeah.
8:37 Doug DeMuro? Because of the way that allocation works. So my guess is, is that there will still be cars. I think what they're basically trying to say is, we're gonna limit production even more than we already are. And so Nissan Z is becoming less common. Supra just ended, right? Didn't Mark five Supra just end?
8:51 Speaker 04 We're on the final edition this year.
8:53 Doug DeMuro? This is it, dude. This is the end. The Japanese sports car reared again in the mid 2020s will quiet once again, just like in the 90s. When there were so many Japanese sports cars, Ken's birth was heralded by Japanese sports cars. His, his birth year in, in the lunar calendar, the year of the Japanese sports car.
9:14 Speaker 04 And then?
9:15 Doug DeMuro? And then it all came crumbling down.
9:18 Speaker 04 And everything has. The prelude though is back.
9:23 Speaker 04 The prelude though is back.
9:25 Doug DeMuro? The prelude is back.
9:29 Doug DeMuro? I, I have this theory that I've been nursing and maybe I'll drop it here.
9:33 Speaker 04 Oh, please.
9:33 Doug DeMuro? I don't think the Japanese sports car ever went away. You know how everybody talks about they were in the 90s and then they died?
9:39 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, there were, there were a lot of them.
9:41 Doug DeMuro? Okay, I'm gonna, let me posit you this. 3000 GT went to 99. Okay. And the NSX went to 05. So let's skip the NSX for a second, although.
9:50 Speaker 02 They did sell six at its production end.
9:51 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but there's a lot of 02 to 05s out there. All right. 99 3000 GT. In 2000, the S2000 came out.
9:57 Speaker 02 Right.
9:59 Doug DeMuro? The Japanese sports car was alive and well.
10:02 Speaker 02 For one, yeah.
10:03 Doug DeMuro? And in 2000, another very important Japanese sports car came out, the Toyota MR2 Spider. And so I think that the Japanese sports, so then.
10:12 Speaker 04 The six cylinder Japanese sports car died.
10:14 Doug DeMuro? Then the S2000 went all the way to 09 and by then the WRX and the Evo and the STI were already here. The GT-R was already back and boom, the Japanese sports cars never went away.
10:27 Speaker 02 Those were not purpose built sports cars.
10:29 Doug DeMuro? The S2000?
10:30 Speaker 02 The S2000 was, but the, the WRX and the STI were based on other cars, fast versions of pre-existing cars. They're not dedicated sports, like the M3 and the M5. They were, those are not sports cars.
10:39 Speaker 04 They're now, that they are now dead. There's no STI sold. There, there, there's no Mitsubishi Lancer, period.
10:45 Doug DeMuro? There's a BRZ, excuse you. There is a BRZ. There is an FRS.
10:49 Speaker 04 Okay, same car, that's not what it's called anymore.
10:51 Doug DeMuro? There is a Supra. There is a Supra, which is incredibly Japanese.
10:55 Speaker 04 Supra's dead.
10:56 Doug DeMuro? The Supra was, is, is an incredibly Japanese car.
10:59 Speaker 04 Yep.
10:59 Doug DeMuro? And is still around.
11:01 Speaker 04 For one more year.
11:02 Doug DeMuro? The Z is around.
11:03 Speaker 02 And, one to add to.
11:05 Doug DeMuro? The prelude.
11:07 Speaker 02 Where do you say the R35 falls on that?
11:08 Speaker 04 Oh, it's also dead.
11:09 Speaker 02 It's been in production for all of it.
11:10 Speaker 04 It's dead.
11:11 Speaker 02 Basically.
11:11 Doug DeMuro? The, the R35 is barely dead.
11:14 Speaker 04 It, it is coming back, is what we've learned, right? And to be fair, to your point, the GR GT.
11:18 Doug DeMuro? The GR GT is coming back, that's a thing.
11:20 Speaker 04 Yep.
11:21 Doug DeMuro? Uh, the Miata's still in production. Never left, by the way. Another Japanese sports car that never left.
11:26 Speaker 02 The Miata is always the answer. It has never been out of production.
11:29 Doug DeMuro? I'm telling you, the Japanese sports car never went away. This is a lie that you're being fed by, by, uh, German sports car media.
11:38 Speaker 04 That's right.
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12:10 Speaker 02 You wanted to say propaganda, but that's.
12:12 Doug DeMuro? Well, I don't know. I mean, it is a, it is a piece of propaganda.
12:15 Speaker 04 All that to say that the last Z.
12:18 Doug DeMuro? Last Z is gone, but you know what? We still have Civic Type R, Integra Type S.
12:22 Speaker 04 Good point.
12:22 Doug DeMuro? Everything's rolling.
12:23 Speaker 04 The only Acura left.
12:25 Doug DeMuro? All right. Uh, hmm, the only A.
12:26 Speaker 04 I mean, fundamentally, think about it.
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13:47 Speaker 02 Oh, very dark.
13:48 Doug DeMuro? Lotus Supercar. I gotta tell you something. I walked in the office today, they told me there's gonna be a new Lotus Supercar. I don't know anything about it and I'll tell you why. Last time Lotus said there'd be a Supercar was the Avija. Do you remember the Avija?
13:58 Speaker 04 I do.
13:59 Doug DeMuro? Do you, actually?
14:00 Speaker 04 I incredibly do, but I think it's pronounced Avija.
14:02 Doug DeMuro? Dude. It's pronounced. It doesn't exist, okay? I saw one ever and it was at Villa Dests two years ago in Lake Como and it was like doing journalist drives and the journalists were gushing over it because they had been selected to be, to sit in an Avija. And guess what? It doesn't exist.
14:21 Speaker 04 They made 130 units.
14:22 Doug DeMuro? Well, they were gonna make 130.
14:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:24 Doug DeMuro? No conversation.
14:25 Speaker 02 I remember vividly, I remember then really contemplating the idea of is an electric Supercar gonna be something? And since there have been many others and the Avija or Avija.
14:34 Doug DeMuro? It's not discussed anywhere. It doesn't.
14:36 Speaker 04 But, but they've, they've said that they're building a hybrid V8 Supercar now. So it's not electric.
14:42 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
14:43 Speaker 04 Hybrid V8.
14:44 Doug DeMuro? Hundred, a thousand horsepower hybrid V8 called the Type 135.
14:46 Speaker 04 Codename.
14:47 Speaker 02 And they're sticking with, the English loves saying.
14:48 Doug DeMuro? Codename, codename that.
14:49 Speaker 04 Codename. It'll have at least, this is what they say, at least 986 horsepower.
14:54 Speaker 02 Plus.
14:55 Doug DeMuro? Now, the Jag only has 986 horsepower. So they saw Jag's thing and they were like, we're gonna step in.
14:59 Speaker 02 Yep.
15:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
15:01 Speaker 02 Okay.
15:02 Doug DeMuro? So are you excited or are we?
15:04 Speaker 04 No, I think we're kind of excited.
15:06 Doug DeMuro? Well, chances that this ever exists.
15:07 Speaker 04 The, the engine is coming from Horse Motors.
15:10 Doug DeMuro? Horse Motors.
15:11 Speaker 04 Does a real.
15:12 Doug DeMuro? Get ready, cause we got another Horse Motors story here in a second.
15:14 Speaker 04 Okay, so Horse Motors, for those that don't know, which is everybody, is a Renault Geely joint collaboration. Geely being the Chinese manufacturer.
15:23 Speaker 02 Right.
15:24 Speaker 04 Who also owns Lotus and Volvo.
15:26 Speaker 02 And the Polestar 3. They own every Polestar 3.
15:28 Speaker 04 But it is actually fundamentally the engineers from the Renault like motor.
15:32 Speaker 02 Okay.
15:32 Speaker 04 Which has been known to build decent engines sometimes. They have a new hybrid V8 and it's Lotus kind of returning, like moving away from their all-electric initiatives to create a V8 hybrid supercar.
15:47 Speaker 02 Okay.
15:47 Doug DeMuro? Okay. That is something, Lotus is vapor where we don't know. I want you to move on to the next news story, which Kenan, I got you. You're gonna go nuts when you hear that.
15:55 Speaker 02 I will say if they can make this with a manual.
15:56 Doug DeMuro? They won't.
15:57 Speaker 02 I'd be really into it, but they cannot.
15:58 Doug DeMuro? They can't. They speak because.
16:00 Speaker 02 A Lotus.
16:00 Doug DeMuro? Because I know they can't make it with a manual because today, moments before filming this podcast, it was announced that the Lotus Emira, which is a car that perpetually looks like it's been in some sort of front-end collision. The Lotus Emira, you're not wrong. Is, I love the Emira, is ditching its Toyota V6 a beloved powertrain.
16:20 Speaker 02 A good engine.
16:21 Doug DeMuro? And it's Mercedes AMG Turbo 4 for a new motor from Horse.
16:24 Speaker 04 Yep.
16:25 Doug DeMuro? So it's getting a Horse engine.
16:27 Speaker 04 Lot of horsepower.
16:28 Doug DeMuro? That engine will be a turbo 3.0 V6 with 540 horsepower. Okay?
16:33 Speaker 04 It's big power.
16:34 Doug DeMuro? Big power. Lot more in the cars now. However, it will only be mated to an automatic transmission. But this is the big news. This is Horse. This is a brand-new joint venture between the hyp-tech Chinese and some other company, he said.
16:45 Speaker 04 Right now.
16:46 Doug DeMuro? Take a guess, the number of gears for this automatic transmission.
16:50 Speaker 02 Oh, no. I'm very afraid.
16:52 Doug DeMuro? I didn't look at it.
16:52 Speaker 02 Don't tell me it's a CVT.
16:54 Doug DeMuro? Take a guess. So your guess is infinite?
16:57 Speaker 02 My guess is infinite. Or, yeah. What did Jason, can we say this week? Or one? I don't know, whatever. It's, I think, I have a weird feeling it's gonna be a CVT.
17:05 Doug DeMuro? You're joking. It is a 4-speed automatic.
17:08 Speaker 02 4?
17:09 Doug DeMuro? What? So if you felt that the Emira was a good car when it was, had a manual transmission and a good Toyota, reliable Toyota V6, well, too bad. It's, have I got news for you. It's going to be replaced with a 540-horsepower turbo V6 made by Horse Power Trains, which undoubtedly will be just as reliable as the Toyota V6, made into a 4-speed automatic.
17:33 Speaker 02 Like it's 1989.
17:34 Doug DeMuro? Like it's 1989 and we're buying an XJS.
17:37 Speaker 02 Free speed with overdrive.
17:39 Speaker 04 In their defense.
17:40 Doug DeMuro? There's no defending it.
17:41 Speaker 02 There's no defending that.
17:43 Doug DeMuro? Two things in their defense.
17:44 Speaker 04 Um, one is it weighs just 160 kilograms, which is 10 pounds lighter than any other V6 on the market.
17:50 Speaker 02 You know, I would take 10 pounds.
17:53 Doug DeMuro? 10 pounds?
17:54 Speaker 04 I'm sorry, sorry.
17:54 Doug DeMuro? Spend a week at the gym.
17:55 Speaker 02 It's hard to find a 10 pound weight at the gym this so light.
17:58 Speaker 04 10 kilograms, 22 pounds.
18:00 Doug DeMuro? Okay, spend two weeks at the gym.
18:02 Speaker 04 Second is I bet that the motor serves as some supplemental gearing. Like, like the way that they have it set up, I hope.
18:08 Doug DeMuro? It's an automatic. 88% of Emiras are sold to the manual transmission.
18:13 Speaker 04 So, so that's the other thing. The, in this, in this press release, they say, people told us that they, they love the V6 engine and the V6 version is the best seller in the US market.
18:23 Speaker 02 Yep.
18:23 Speaker 04 Because the four cylinder is not available with a manual.
18:27 Doug DeMuro? What a spin. That is an unbelievable spin. What's this fellow's name? Feng is his last name?
18:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:32 Doug DeMuro? That's incredible. They want, they love V6s. What can we say? We're gonna do more V6s. 88% of Emiras are sold.
18:40 Speaker 04 This is a bad, so we've known that that Toyota V6 was gonna go away for a while. We were hearing about it because it does, it's not complying with new European emissions regulations in this current form and they didn't want to redevelop it.
18:51 Speaker 02 Fine.
18:51 Speaker 04 Right?
18:51 Speaker 02 So be it.
18:52 Speaker 04 The fact that they're not finding a way to make this, find an engine that can be made into a manual is.
18:58 Doug DeMuro? Well, how hard can it be? It already is. I, I don't know this for a fact and I'd be curious if there's some viewer who's more of an expert on this than I am, but I wonder if there is a difficulty of, um, meeting Euro emissions regulations with a manual transmission. I wonder if the manual transmission specifically is, is, is making it difficult to meet regs.
19:19 Speaker 04 Wouldn't be shocked that that's true. If like the, they can program the automatic however they want. I wouldn't be shocked if the EU regulators have their own drive cycle.
19:26 Doug DeMuro? I don't know what the test cycle is. I don't know how, what they measured at, all that stuff.
19:29 Speaker 04 I think that's true.
19:30 Doug DeMuro? I don't know this as a fact, that I'm not saying that it is a fact, but I am curious because we hear rumors about the next GT3 and that they made it to a manual only for the US. And then you start to wonder, well, they wouldn't, they're not idiots. They're not, they're not doing this because they want to.
19:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:44 Doug DeMuro? There's obviously a need to do it. The powertrain is of course the need, but I wonder if they just, if there's a, if there's a, if there's a reason beyond that.
19:53 Speaker 04 I'm sure there is like. BMW has said that they're not really, they can't, their ability to have higher horsepower engines in their V6 and their manual cars is limited because they don't want to redevelop a full new manual for additional engines. I do wonder if Lotus, the manufacturer, is kind of small, doesn't have the purchasing power to
20:10 Doug DeMuro? Well, it's 88% of sales. I mean, you're doing it or you're not doing it. Like, 88% that should hit, the Chinese especially should be like, oh.
20:17 Speaker 02 That is a sign.
20:19 Doug DeMuro? It's like a questionable, questionable joke, okay. They own the Lotus! The Chinese own the Lotus and they're sitting here looking at this saying, let's do a four-speed auto. Anyway, I think it's a shame. Amira's a great car. Obviously, the Amiras that are built with the manual and all that are gonna be the ones that everybody wants. The four-speed auto Amiras are gonna go down like the four-speed auto XJSs.
20:37 Speaker 02 Nice.
20:38 Doug DeMuro? Poorly.
20:39 Speaker 02 Poorly. Well, if you thought the Amira market was strong, hold my beer. It's gonna remain that way for a while.
20:45 Doug DeMuro? That's so true. And the Amira market is strong, by the way. We sell them all the time on the cars in the bids.
20:49 Speaker 04 One or two a week, yeah. Those are gonna be 90 grand forever.
20:52 Doug DeMuro? Forever. Like, Evora's still are 60.
20:55 Speaker 02 Yeah. It's pretty remarkable.
20:57 Doug DeMuro? Look at these sales.
20:58 Speaker 02 83, 89, 99, 93, 90.
21:00 Doug DeMuro? 85 and 95,000.
21:01 Speaker 04 The only one that hasn't sold in forever was an automatic.
21:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
21:05 Speaker 04 Truly. You have to keep scrolling down to remember where it was, but it did happen. And it was that four-cylinder auto.
21:10 Doug DeMuro? Four-cylinder auto.
21:10 Speaker 04 Despite the fact that the four-cylinder auto had, the four-cylinder has exactly the same horsepower as the supercharged V6 somehow. They're both 400 horsepower.
21:17 Doug DeMuro? Click on this one. Look at that. I'm telling you, it looks like the car's been in a front-end collision. And then the hood is like, is like wedged up a little because you like wedged under a truck or something.
21:26 Speaker 02 Actually, that is a good angle. That does kind of make it look
21:29 Doug DeMuro? I love this car. I love this car. Well, you want one?
21:32 Speaker 04 Buy it now?
21:33 Doug DeMuro? I don't hate this powertrain either.
21:34 Speaker 02 No, I think you just buy it whenever. I think they're just gonna make it sound. I don't, the point of this is I don't think they're gonna depreciate like we thought the, like the Elise has. That got to a $35,000 car.
21:43 Doug DeMuro? Although, did you see the Elise we sold today?
21:44 Speaker 04 Yes.
21:45 Doug DeMuro? Did you pull this up? Here's a news story for you. We sold this Elise SC, which was 166 of 166 of these American, for $65,500 United States dollar.
21:56 Speaker 04 They're taking back up, Elises are.
21:57 Doug DeMuro? The nice Elises are up. Mileage is a little low, etc. But like, this, and it's an SC, obviously, but like, damn.
22:05 Speaker 02 You can still get into an Elise around between 35 and 45 thousand dollars.
22:09 Speaker 04 You still can.
22:09 Speaker 02 All day long.
22:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, but part of the reason they're so desirable is because they are Toyota powered and manual transmission. Lovely things. Move on to our next news story, please.
22:18 Doug DeMuro? Ah, yes.
22:19 Speaker 04 The Audi Q9. We've been talking about how Audi is going to build a new, like a full-size SUV. This is it. It hasn't been fully revealed, but the interior has, and apparently the interior is the most luxurious Audi interior ever.
22:31 Speaker 02 Wow.
22:32 Speaker 04 Lots of.
22:32 Doug DeMuro? Who said that? An objective, an objective journalist?
22:35 Speaker 04 Every journalist that saw the car. You can, you can take from that whatever you'd like.
22:39 Doug DeMuro? This thing does look boss.
22:41 Speaker 02 It does look good.
22:42 Speaker 04 They should offer that.
22:43 Speaker 02 Love the.
22:43 Speaker 04 Mercedes-Benz Maybach would offer that paint color.
22:46 Doug DeMuro? And on, and on the interior.
22:48 Speaker 04 And on the interior.
22:48 Speaker 02 They call it, they call it Hurricane or Twister or something like.
22:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, and I'm glad for Audi that this is coming because, well, the Q7's been around.
22:55 Doug DeMuro? Q7 is ancient. Q7 is absolutely ancient and it is unbelievable to me.
23:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:02 Doug DeMuro? It's came out in 17?
23:03 Speaker 04 17.
23:03 Doug DeMuro? 17. The current body Q7.
23:06 Speaker 04 It may have been 2016, but I think it was a 2017 model year.
23:08 Doug DeMuro? You know, it's amazing to me because that segment is still pretty hot, that whole segment, full-size. And GLS is, came out in 20.
23:15 Speaker 04 I know.
23:15 Doug DeMuro? Q7 came out in 17, X7 came out in 21 maybe.
23:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, with a 23.
23:19 Doug DeMuro? It's the newest car and it's six years old, six model years old. And, and, and the best thing that happened to any of them is that Justin Timberlake got arrested for DUI in the X7. The facelift X7. He was, he knew what to do. He went and got the new one.
23:32 Speaker 04 The Q9 though will.
23:33 Doug DeMuro? He'll be in a Q9 next summer. See in, see in Sagaponak.
23:37 Speaker 04 Will, will be important for Audi certainly. And so it's glad, glad it's coming to fruition. The interior, by the way, has a bunch of screens, doesn't have black, like the piano black plastic anymore. It looks like every other.
23:49 Speaker 02 Well, Audis have been kind of killing interiors since.
23:52 Speaker 04 Totally. They kind of went down for a little bit.
23:53 Speaker 02 The B6 generation.
23:54 Speaker 04 They got a little iffy for a bit.
23:56 Doug DeMuro? Do we have a release date on this vehicle?
23:58 Speaker 04 Uh, it's going to be revealed in full on July 28th.
24:02 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so it'll probably go on sale this fall.
24:03 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah. I assume so because there's Volkswagen Atlas.
24:06 Doug DeMuro? This is real. Heavy tariffs. Get ready to pay 157.
24:10 Speaker 04 A few weeks ago, we did not talk about this, but there's also redesigned Volkswagen Atlas. And that's all we're going to say about that.
24:15 Doug DeMuro? The, presumably this will also spawn a Porsche variant.
24:19 Speaker 04 Yep, there will be a full-size Porsche SUV.
24:20 Doug DeMuro? A Lamborghini variant. The Urus Plus.
24:27 Doug DeMuro? Uh, no, probably not, but there will be a Porsche based on this.
24:31 Speaker 04 There will absolutely be a Porsche.
24:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, um, and that's great.
24:33 Speaker 04 Maybe there'll be a new Q7 eventually, who knows?
24:36 Doug DeMuro? I'm ready.
24:36 Speaker 04 Or a Q8, who knows?
24:37 Doug DeMuro? I'm ready and excited.
24:38 Speaker 04 Ready to see them around successful suburban areas.
24:41 Doug DeMuro? I do think it's wild that there hasn't been a new Q7 in however long. And that the Q5, when you brake, it says Quattro. I was behind one the other day. You didn't watch my Q5 review?
24:51 Speaker 04 No, incredibly, I did.
24:54 Doug DeMuro? The whole thing, the third brake light, when you stop.
24:56 Speaker 04 It says Quattro.
24:56 Doug DeMuro? Go to Audi Q5 Quattro brake light, type that in. How do you not, this is like the quirkiest thing that's ever happened. No, Q6 doesn't do that, it's a normal car.
25:06 Speaker 04 But the Q5 is a more normal car.
25:08 Doug DeMuro? Quattro brake light's one of the things, when you brake.
25:10 Speaker 04 Oh yeah, it says Quattro.
25:10 Doug DeMuro? Click on this, it literally reflects down onto the rear glass.
25:14 Speaker 04 I do love that.
25:15 Doug DeMuro? You haven't been behind a new Q5?
25:16 Speaker 04 Apparently not.
25:17 Doug DeMuro? When you get behind a new Q5, watch.
25:19 Speaker 04 This says a lot about.
25:20 Doug DeMuro? It's very clear what happens, it says Quattro, it's this whole big thing.
25:23 Speaker 04 I love that.
25:23 Doug DeMuro? It reflects from up here, down backwards, reflects onto the rear glass, so that people behind you see that it's a Quattro.
25:30 Speaker 04 I have a true love of cars that have full width third brake lights.
25:34 Doug DeMuro? And so does this count because it's not technically, you know, it's a projection?
25:38 Speaker 04 Well, the brake light is also that.
25:39 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
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27:03 Doug DeMuro? All right, next news story, please. This is a good one. The Chrysler Pronto.
27:07 Speaker 04 All right, so years and years and years ago, there was a concept car that was called the Pronto.
27:11 Doug DeMuro? I think that this is the Chrysler Pronto Cruiser.
27:14 Speaker 04 I think you're right.
27:15 Doug DeMuro? And that the Chrysler Pronto was actually a.
27:18 Speaker 04 Had a front bar.
27:20 Doug DeMuro? It was a, it was a, it was a convertible, Plymouth Pronto, that's what it was. Okay, so there was the Plymouth Pronto Spider. And it was like a mid-engine, two-seat roadster. This.
27:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
27:32 Doug DeMuro? Oh, they had done that, it would have turned the whole company around.
27:35 Speaker 04 That looks like a Saturn Sky.
27:36 Doug DeMuro? Well.
27:37 Speaker 04 There's some spiker in there.
27:38 Doug DeMuro? It looks like a Vaxhall VX 220.
27:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
27:40 Doug DeMuro? Which is, which they did do, and you know what? It didn't change, it didn't turn General Motors around.
27:45 Speaker 04 Yeah, it does look like that. Okay, but regardless, this was a concept in the early 2000s or late 90s. Uh, they, there was news this week that it, last fall, Chrysler showed their, a deep budget dealers that they have, a very low price, around $20,000 MSRP concept that they're calling the Pronto. Uh, and there's a concept for Chrysler, there's also a concept at that price point for the Jeep and the Ram brands. And so clearly, Stellantis is going deep on, hey, should we be bringing a $20,000, really affordable car to market?
28:17 Doug DeMuro? Now, back in the day, this was a sports car, but my presumption, although it has not, no more details have come out that I've seen.
28:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
28:24 Doug DeMuro? Is that it's probably a, uh, compact car.
28:27 Speaker 04 Compact car, really small SUV. If they, they have one that's shared with Jeep and Ram.
28:31 Doug DeMuro? Now, with that in mind, do you remember the Dodge Dart?
28:36 Speaker 04 Do I remember, what an insulting question.
28:38 Doug DeMuro? How, how did that all go?
28:40 Speaker 04 You know, except for the engines that had a lot of blow up issues and the transmission that also blew up and a bunch of other liability issues.
28:46 Doug DeMuro? That car only, that car only went out of production like yesterday.
28:49 Speaker 04 It was a great looking car.
28:50 Doug DeMuro? And you have, you haven't seen one on the road in 10 years.
28:53 Speaker 04 There was a version with a 2.4 liter turbo and a six speed manual and that was a cool car.
28:57 Speaker 02 It was cool.
28:58 Doug DeMuro? It was. I drove one of those from Atlanta, I drove one of those from Atlanta to Charleston, South Carolina and back. 13 hours in a Dodge Dart.
29:04 Speaker 04 It's a pretty good car.
29:05 Speaker 02 Wow, that's all you need.
29:07 Doug DeMuro? It's a pretty good small car.
29:08 Speaker 04 It was a good car.
29:09 Doug DeMuro? Except for the reliability. It was incredibly poorly built.
29:12 Speaker 04 Yes.
29:12 Doug DeMuro? And when I hear a $20,000 car from Chrysler, I remember the Neons, I remember the Darts.
29:17 Speaker 04 The Neons that were reliable.
29:18 Doug DeMuro? You've seen one? Where is one?
29:20 Speaker 04 Well, they were all.
29:21 Doug DeMuro? Where is one? They built Neons, they were all, they made Neons like 2010.
29:25 Speaker 04 When was the last time you saw a Cavalier?
29:26 Doug DeMuro? I see Corollas from that era, 20 million of a second.
29:29 Speaker 04 That's not what I asked. I was very specific in my question.
29:31 Doug DeMuro? You get my point.
29:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
29:33 Doug DeMuro? And I'm, and obviously that's gonna happen.
29:34 Speaker 04 Caliber you see around, and I was just in Indiana, saw a lot of Cavaliers.
29:37 Doug DeMuro? You know, it is interesting, you see Calibers, you see Calibers and you see Patriots from that gen.
29:41 Speaker 04 You do, you see Patriots.
29:43 Doug DeMuro? Those cars were reviled when they came out, but they've actually ended up being pretty reliable. You know, I gotta hand it to Stellantis. I actually, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna take back some, some bad things I've said. We got a Giulia in the office here.
29:56 Speaker 04 You can write the camera for this, it's gonna be a short.
29:58 Doug DeMuro? We got a Giulia in the office here. It's got 100,000 miles on it. And when that car came out, you and me went to, outside DC and filmed a video on it 10 years ago.
30:07 Speaker 04 We sure did.
30:08 Doug DeMuro? And at the time, the complaint about the Giulia was that it was gonna be trash because it was built by Chrysler and Alfa and oh my God. This thing in the office, the interior has held up better than any car with 100,000 miles that I've been in. It's like perfect. Have you been in it?
30:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
30:23 Doug DeMuro? There's no wear. I challenge you to find wear in that interior.
30:28 Speaker 02 You challenge me to find wear? I'm sure I can.
30:30 Doug DeMuro? Except for the driver's seat, which honestly looks like a normal worn driver's seat and a 30,000 mile car.
30:37 Speaker 02 I'll have a look.
30:37 Doug DeMuro? The rest of the interior, there is no fading on the buttons, there is no fading, it's unbelievable.
30:42 Speaker 02 I do know what you mean and it is a big surprise.
30:44 Doug DeMuro? I now take back all the bad things I've said about Stellantis because of the caliber discussion and because of the Giulia. They do build cars that last. Stellantis forever! You know, Lotus should think about a Stellantis powertrain in the Amira.
30:55 Speaker 04 Can we talk about the fact that Jeep? Can we talk about the, what power, the, the, the Pentastar?
31:00 Doug DeMuro? Hurricane straight six, baby.
31:02 Speaker 04 They want a, want a 270 horsepower Pentastar in their, a mirror?
31:06 Doug DeMuro? Don't they currently have that? It's like a 3.5 liter V6.
31:09 Speaker 04 Supercharged 400.
31:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, you could supercharge a Pentastar.
31:12 Speaker 04 Hurricane, Hurricane.
31:14 Doug DeMuro? Hurricane straight six, it's like 400 horse.
31:17 Speaker 04 Hurricane.
31:17 Doug DeMuro? Got to do a little stretch.
31:18 Speaker 04 The, the rare engine that's shared between a Ram, HRO and a, a mirror.
31:23 Doug DeMuro? HRO. It's RH. There's like two of them in a row, so you're forgiven for the mistake.
31:29 Speaker 04 That's what I meant. Regardless, I want to talk about the Patriot, because you brought it up.
31:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
31:35 Speaker 04 The Patriot's dead, it's been dead for forever.
31:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
31:37 Speaker 04 But the Compass lived on.
31:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
31:39 Speaker 04 And don't you think that was a mistake? The Patriot was the boxy one.
31:41 Doug DeMuro? I remember.
31:42 Speaker 04 The Compass was the slopy one, and they kept the slopy one.
31:46 Doug DeMuro? Um, I think that the.
31:48 Speaker 04 It's an era of box.
31:49 Doug DeMuro? In this era, I think the Patriot name would probably be better.
31:53 Speaker 04 And it's boxier.
31:54 Doug DeMuro? The Compass had a better reputation. It was the nicer of the two. It was more expensive and more upmarket.
31:59 Speaker 04 Boy, did I not think that at the time.
32:00 Doug DeMuro? It was, the Patriot was the cheaper one, the Compass was the nicer one. They're both trash, obviously.
32:05 Speaker 04 Especially preface of. Regardless, the Pronto.
32:07 Doug DeMuro? The Caliber died, though.
32:09 Speaker 04 The Caliber died. Thank God. It was tough. It was not a good car. Reliable enough. If you want to see.
32:17 Doug DeMuro? How many people did you know back in Ohio who had Calibers, Patriots or Compasses?
32:20 Speaker 02 Zero.
32:21 Speaker 04 That can't be true.
32:24 Speaker 02 No, I didn't.
32:25 Speaker 04 One of your neighbors had one.
32:26 Speaker 02 No, no, genuinely. Because everybody, I grew up in the era of like the, the Odyssey and the CNN.
32:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but Calibers were around.
32:34 Speaker 02 I saw them, yeah, in like 2009, I probably saw them.
32:39 Doug DeMuro? He was rich. In my, in my town, we were lucky if we could stretch to afford a Caliber, I tell you. Times were tough.
32:47 Speaker 04 Yep. Agreed. The Pronto, though, will be some kind of probably subcompact SUV if it happens. If dealers were pushing for a sub 20K car, I don't know if they were or not. Margins would probably be really thin, and so there's a bit of a trade off. Get people in the door, but. If Jeep offers a 20K option, can they sell a Grand Highlander? Who knows? Regardless, maybe it will happen, maybe it won't.
33:08 Doug DeMuro? What do you mean if Jeep offers a 20K car, can they sell a Grand Highlander?
33:11 Speaker 04 They're trying to sell a hundred thousand dollar, uh, sorry, Grand Wagoneer. That's what I meant, sorry.
33:17 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
33:18 Speaker 04 Yeah. It would be like a wide.
33:19 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna spoil the surprise on that one. Even without a 20,000 dollar car, Jeep hasn't been able to successfully sell a Grand Wagoneer.
33:27 Speaker 04 The 2027 model of your Grand Wagoneer after 2026 didn't exist.
33:31 Doug DeMuro? Oh, really?
33:32 Speaker 04 It's gonna smell great.
33:33 Doug DeMuro? They took the year off?
33:34 Speaker 04 Took the year off. There will be an extended range EV Grand Wagoneer.
33:38 Doug DeMuro? Oh, my God, with 728 miles of range?
33:42 Speaker 04 The.
33:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, cuz it's a normal fuel tank plus the battery.
33:48 Doug DeMuro? All right, I'm pro Grand Wagoneer. This is another example of why I think Stellantis is off the hook. They make great, reliable cars that can go long distances.
33:56 Speaker 04 Okay, credit to Stellantis. A couple of fun facts. First of all, they were the first and for a while, the only people to have a plug-in hybrid, like SUV.
34:05 Speaker 04 That wasn't like a German luxury car.
34:07 Doug DeMuro? The only people that have a plug-in hybrid.
34:09 Speaker 04 The Wrangler 4xE, the, uh, the Grand Cherokee 4xE. These were like real, interesting, advanced plug-in hybrid vehicles.
34:17 Doug DeMuro? There doesn't, isn't there like a Kia Sorento and all that? Oh, wait.
34:21 Speaker 04 Off-roaders.
34:22 Doug DeMuro? The Mitsubishi Outlander.
34:23 Speaker 04 Off-roaders is what I meant.
34:23 Doug DeMuro? The Mitsubishi Outlander.
34:25 Speaker 04 Off-roaders is what I meant.
34:26 Doug DeMuro? The Mitsubishi Outlander. I want you to make, issue an apology to Mitsubishi.
34:29 Speaker 04 They, they, I'm pretty sure that they sold more Wrangler 4xEs than Mitsubishi's sold in the US. For years, ever. But also, they had cars like the Grand Wagoneer S, which is the single fastest SUV under a hundred, under a hundred thousand dollars.
34:42 Doug DeMuro? Now, it was technically the Wagoneer S.
34:44 Speaker 04 What did I say?
34:44 Doug DeMuro? You said Grand Wagoneer S, which highlights some of the issues. They have problems.
34:49 Speaker 04 I'm having problems today. I can't make mistakes.
34:51 Doug DeMuro? Grand Wagoneer, Grand Cherokee, Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, Grand Renegade, nobody knows.
34:56 Speaker 04 Grand Renegade.
34:57 Doug DeMuro? This is the Grand Renegade right here.
34:58 Speaker 04 Why don't they have?
34:59 Doug DeMuro? Move on to the next story, please. The Grand Renegade is the Wrangler.
35:02 Speaker 02 Thank goodness. Moving on from Stellantis to something exotic. This is the Lamborghini Fenomeno. So you're familiar with this car? Last year, they came out with a Cooper. This car, no, you're sorry, go back to sleep. You might be remember this, so this is the limited edition Lamborghini based on the Revuelto. It has that same hybrid V12 power plant. This makes 1,065 horsepower. Now, that car came out last year. We saw that car at Pebble Beach. Now they've announced they have a convertible version of it. Uh, the coupe, they only built 29 examples of them. They're going to build 15 of these.
35:35 Doug DeMuro? I was there when they announced it.
35:36 Speaker 02 Yes, you were.
35:38 Doug DeMuro? I was, I saw it.
35:38 Speaker 02 We were, we were there.
35:39 Doug DeMuro? I do know about it, yes.
35:41 Speaker 02 At the Quail. At the Quail.
35:42 Doug DeMuro? You were not there.
35:43 Speaker 02 We were all three there. Now, he doesn't.
35:45 Doug DeMuro? Is it fenomenal?
35:47 Speaker 04 I mean, it's Lamborghini, so they do Spanish wins, so I don't know.
35:50 Doug DeMuro? Oh, so you don't know?
35:51 Speaker 02 Oh, it's right.
35:52 Doug DeMuro? How would you say it in Italian?
35:53 Speaker 04 Fenomenal.
35:54 Speaker 02 Fenomenal.
35:56 Doug DeMuro? This is cool.
35:57 Speaker 02 It's, it's cool. Uh, the, so the things with this, this like with the roadster version of it, they tried to like kind of hide some of the arrows, they could maintain the sort of, sort of same level of downforce. So like, we're very careful about like the rear treatment of the car.
36:09 Doug DeMuro? Is this the roadster?
36:11 Speaker 02 This, for some reason, our producers chose to leave the coupe.
36:13 Doug DeMuro? I was gonna say.
36:15 Speaker 02 Explicitly asked also for a picture of the window, which doesn't exist, but it's, the window is weird because it comes, it goes like this, and then it goes down. It's like this weird shape. Yeah, look at this window.
36:24 Doug DeMuro? I love that.
36:25 Speaker 02 Ridiculous. So, I don't know.
36:27 Doug DeMuro? It's like the Spiker C8 kinda.
36:30 Speaker 02 No, that had a metal bar in the middle.
36:32 Doug DeMuro? But, but there was window on top that had no frame. It didn't make a curve, but it's sort of like that. The Seokan GT-R is also like that.
36:38 Speaker 02 I'll bet though, when you close this, unlike the Spiker, when you close the door and it goes
36:42 Speaker 02 I know no one has ever closed the door on a Spiker C8, but that's exactly what it does.
36:46 Doug DeMuro? I want to talk to you about something.
36:47 Speaker 02 Sure, Lamborghini wise, but none, I mean, nonetheless, these are, like I said, limited edition car.
36:51 Doug DeMuro? Revuelto's are collapsing in the used market.
36:53 Speaker 02 Are they? Are they, really? So this might be the one that actually.
36:57 Doug DeMuro? In the used market, the SF90 Revuelto price point just has not been a place where the automakers are finding stability. The 12 cylinders are also selling under sticker, even though the car's been out for like an afternoon. It came out a year, less than a year ago in the States.
37:12 Speaker 02 That is interesting. I do have to say with the Revuelto, they've produced a lot of them and have gotten them to customers very quickly. So certainly supply is not low.
37:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, well, that's the problem, but 700Gs, there's apparently not support. The Revuelto's done better than SF90s so far, but they're.
37:28 Speaker 04 More appealing product.
37:29 Doug DeMuro? It is a more appealing product.
37:30 Speaker 04 It's also been on the market for two years, so it's, but.
37:32 Doug DeMuro? Right, that's true. And so you wonder if we're gonna see SF90 type depreciation with the Revuelto. Aventura is held so strong.
37:40 Speaker 02 They have and they made a gazillion of those.
37:42 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
37:42 Speaker 02 Um, so that is an interesting point.
37:45 Doug DeMuro? If you combine.
37:47 Speaker 02 All of the Bitzrini V12, is it all Bitzrini V12s are all Lamborghinis.
37:51 Doug DeMuro? No, it's only.
37:52 Speaker 02 The Bitzrini V12.
37:53 Doug DeMuro? If you combine every Murra, Countach, Diablo and Mercy all together.
37:57 Speaker 02 Probably and 350 GT, I would imagine.
37:59 Doug DeMuro? It's less than the production of, of, uh, of.
38:02 Speaker 02 That's pretty wild. And when I think about it, how often do you see a Venzador's?
38:05 Doug DeMuro? Rare.
38:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, I know. And even that is rare.
38:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, so.
38:08 Speaker 04 My wife sent me a picture of one two days ago on the 163.
38:11 Speaker 02 Wow.
38:11 Doug DeMuro? On the 163 here in town?
38:13 Speaker 04 Yep.
38:13 Doug DeMuro? In the city?
38:14 Speaker 04 Yep.
38:14 Doug DeMuro? Or up there?
38:15 Speaker 04 Uh, down here.
38:16 Doug DeMuro? Like by the zoo?
38:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
38:18 Doug DeMuro? Oh, it's gonna scare the animal.
38:21 Speaker 02 Equestrian town. Um, but yeah, that's a, nonetheless, like, I don't know, cool, limited edition.
38:26 Doug DeMuro? That looks really cool.
38:27 Speaker 02 I think it looks cool.
38:28 Doug DeMuro? Probably five million and silly, but like, I think it looks cool.
38:31 Speaker 02 Right. I, I don't disagree. But on the topic of new cars, there's another one. So Villa Deste is upon us.
38:36 Doug DeMuro? I know. How exciting. I'm.
38:37 Speaker 02 I know. Why aren't we all there right now? Imagine me at Lake Como.
38:40 Doug DeMuro? I went two years ago and it was an amazing experience.
38:42 Speaker 02 It's prom, I don't know. It's one of the best car events of the year without question, but at this event, a lot of new cars are announced and BMW Alpina will be announcing their new cloud now. Alpina has been involved with BMW for a long time, but now it's officially under the BMW umbrella. This will be the first car that comes out as a result of that. And they've teased this silhouette of it, which is very long and swoopy looking. And it kind of looks like the eight series to me.
39:05 Doug DeMuro? It's like a more.
39:06 Speaker 04 Do you think it's gonna be like a four door AMG GT situation? You don't, you don't think this is a four?
39:09 Speaker 02 I think it's gotta be a four door, cause you could, you could see where the door would be and this would be a hatchback and like, I would imagine that's like an eight series grand coupe. Like that's kind of what I think.
39:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
39:18 Speaker 02 It's gonna be.
39:19 Doug DeMuro? Do you remember the Bovin Seppen?
39:21 Speaker 02 Is, no.
39:24 Doug DeMuro? Pull it up.
39:25 Speaker 02 You wanna help with some spelling there?
39:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah. It's spelled just like it sounds.
39:30 Speaker 02 B O.
39:31 Doug DeMuro? B O V.
39:32 Speaker 02 There it is.
39:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
39:33 Speaker 02 Hey, that's pretty close.
39:33 Doug DeMuro? This was an Alpina thing, wasn't it?
39:35 Speaker 02 Oh, I do remember.
39:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it looks amazing. It was based on the M4. I guess it's a Zagato thing. I guess it's not related to Alpina at all.
39:42 Speaker 04 No, no, no, it is. Cause it's a family behind Alpina that then sold Alpina to BMW, but they made a standalone project. That's based on the M4 with Zagato.
39:51 Doug DeMuro? I think it looks cool as hell.
39:52 Speaker 02 I know. Proof that Zagato can actually make a good looking car.
39:55 Doug DeMuro? And so, and so, excuse me, Zagato has made hundreds of good looking cars.
40:00 Speaker 02 You know, when you start to look into it, no, they haven't. Uh, there are a lot of really hayin' Zagatos.
40:04 Doug DeMuro? Okay, what about the, um?
40:08 Doug DeMuro? What about, oh, the Vanquish shooting brake?
40:12 Speaker 02 That is a good one. I'll counter it with this. The Ferrari 550, T T Z Vizagato, which is one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. The overhangs are, wait, look at the side profile, good lord.
40:24 Doug DeMuro? You ever see the 599 version? 599 G T Z?
40:27 Speaker 02 No, there is one?
40:28 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
40:29 Speaker 02 Oh man.
40:30 Doug DeMuro? It's just as bad.
40:31 Speaker 02 599 is a good, oh my god.
40:37 Speaker 02 That is, those are the Alonso edition wheels.
40:40 Doug DeMuro? Needless to say, that's a $4 million car. Oh, Kenan, but you know what was a good looking car? T Z 3. T Z 3, the one that was based on the Viper.
40:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, I saw that car in person.
40:48 Doug DeMuro? Oh, and how about the, um, the DB, Aston, the DB?
40:51 Speaker 02 The DB R1? Or the, or the DB, uh?
40:54 Doug DeMuro? It was the coupe. It was like, just called it, wasn't it the DB7 Zagato? I think it was just DB7 Zagato. That was a beautiful car. So take that.
41:01 Speaker 02 I don't think, uh, the rear of that car is challenging to me. I don't think that's a-
41:07 Doug DeMuro? I think it looks great.
41:08 Speaker 02 I don't think that looks good at all.
41:09 Doug DeMuro? That's a beautiful car. In that era, that was a beautiful car.
41:12 Speaker 02 No, you know what was beautiful? The normal one and the Vanquish.
41:14 Doug DeMuro? The, the normal DB7 was beautiful?
41:17 Speaker 02 I think the DB7 was a good looking car. The front of this is just not good.
41:20 Doug DeMuro? Beautiful iteration. That gave us, that gave us the Vanquish. That front end.
41:23 Speaker 02 This here is blobby. Anyway.
41:26 Doug DeMuro? I can't believe we're not talking about the G T 9 Sport also, the Zagato.
41:30 Speaker 02 But Alpina, which is not related to Zagato in any way. Glad that we had that tangent. Is, uh, is rolling this out very soon on Friday. We'll see what it looks like. Of course, this video will be in this podcast.
41:39 Doug DeMuro? You'll know already.
41:40 Speaker 02 You'll know. We do not-
41:41 Doug DeMuro? By the time you're watching this, you'll say these idiots.
41:43 Speaker 02 You might be in Vildestia already staring at the-
41:45 Doug DeMuro? All right, are there other news stories? Surely not.
41:47 Speaker 02 Oh, yes, the Fast and the Furious.
41:50 Doug DeMuro? So there, there's news this week that there will be a Fast and the Furious TV show. At least one. At least one. Vin Diesel is like the produ, the executive producer of it. He has said there will be four. Nobody else has confirmed four, but I was only confirmed there'll be one. But nevertheless, there will be something emerging, one and four spinoffs that he's involved in.
42:10 Speaker 02 This week, The New Yorker, last week, The New Yorker has a long form article about the cultural impact that the Fast and the Furious has had on Hollywood specifically. But apparently there are actually books, one of which I bought but haven't read yet, um, about the impact of the Fast and the Furious.
42:23 Doug DeMuro? Massive.
42:23 Speaker 02 Which by the way, came out 25 years ago in about three weeks.
42:27 Doug DeMuro? Really?
42:27 Speaker 02 Wow.
42:28 Doug DeMuro? We should remember to talk about it.
42:29 Speaker 02 June 20, 2001.
42:32 Doug DeMuro? And one of the things that's the New York article says was that the original title was going to be Race Wars.
42:38 Speaker 02 Oh, man.
42:39 Doug DeMuro? Because, you know, that was the thing in the desert that they were going to. They were gonna call it Race Wars. The article also said that Universal has made, it's seven billion dollars the movies have grossed.
42:52 Speaker 04 I'm surprised it's not higher.
42:53 Doug DeMuro? Seven billion dollars. And it's Universal's longest running franchise ever.
42:59 Speaker 04 Also, by the way, if you're curious-
43:01 Doug DeMuro? Fast and Furious, folks, more than you can afford, pal.
43:04 Speaker 04 If you're curious, you should look up why the naming structure is what it is. It has to do with like the rights that they had to use the Fast and the Furious as the name. They could have reused it in that same way.
43:14 Doug DeMuro? You know, I thought the whole thing was gonna die after the third movie because the third movie, they, all the main actors were gone. And it looked like that was gonna be the end.
43:23 Speaker 04 But then they found a way.
43:24 Doug DeMuro? They found a way.
43:25 Speaker 04 And then in the sixth movie, it comes back together.
43:27 Doug DeMuro? It's like what I'm trying to start the Countach, you know, and it's like, and you're like, oh, is it gonna happen? You're pushing the gas and then it goes, and it's about done and then it's, and then it comes right back up.
43:36 Speaker 02 I hate to tell you, doesn't do that for me. Starts every time.
43:40 Doug DeMuro? Uh, yeah, I've seen the first three and other than that, my seeing of the Fast movies-
43:43 Speaker 04 The fifth one is, I think, the best one.
43:45 Speaker 02 I've only ever seen the first one.
43:46 Doug DeMuro? The first one is the greatest car movie of all time.
43:49 Speaker 04 First one's a great car movie. The fifth one, they drag a safe through the seats of Reader's General.
43:53 Doug DeMuro? The first one is-
43:54 Speaker 04 They're Volkswagen Touaregs.
43:56 Doug DeMuro? The first one is the greatest car movie of all time. It just is.
44:00 Speaker 04 They're Volkswagen Touaregs.
44:01 Doug DeMuro? The first one, folks, tell them. In the comments, tell them. I know there's a lot of great car movies, but when you think about cultural impact, and when you think about staying power, and when you think about all those lines, danger to manifold, more than you can afford, pal, overnight parts from Japan, all that stuff, Fast One is probably the most impactful car movie of all time.
44:19 Speaker 04 But if you want to learn more about it, there's a Key Channel video all about it.
44:54 Doug DeMuro? This discussion brought to you by Filippo. Summer is here, which means I've got my annual cross-country road trip coming up. And before I take off on any trip, I like to make absolutely sure my vehicle is ready for the road. You might have a trip coming up too, so I've got five things from AutoZone that'll help you get moving. And the great thing is, AutoZone is everywhere, which means wherever the road takes you, the parts you need are right there. Number one, Fix Finder. If you've got a dash light on, start with a free Fix Finder scan at AutoZone. It reads your dashboard signals, engine, ABS, maintenance, and prints out a report telling you exactly what's going on. An AutoZoner can point you to the right part or even refer you to a local shop. Fast, easy, totally free. Number two, Fluids.
45:39 Doug DeMuro? Top everything off and don't forget the easy-to-overlook ones: windshield wiper fluid, brake fluid, and coolant. You can order it all on AutoZone.com and pick it up the same day. Number three, Oil. Always, always, always check it. Look at the level and the color on the dipstick. If it's due, don't wait. Ask an AutoZoner to help you grab the right oil and filter for your engine. Number four, The Essentials. Tires, lights, and battery. I always check my tire pressure before leaving. I make sure every light works and I check the wipers while I'm at it. For the battery, look for corrosion and get it tested. AutoZone does that for free. And number five, Brakes and Belts. Squealing or whining during braking? Time for a replacement.
46:20 Doug DeMuro? Duralast brakes have a 100% noise-free guarantee and a factory-matched OEM fit. Need to swap a serpentine belt? AutoZone's Loan-A-Tool program has you covered. And the AutoZone app has your belt diagram right there. When it comes to car prep, a little goes a long way. Take care of your car now and it'll take care of you on the road. And if you need a part or a pit stop, AutoZone's got you covered wherever the trip takes you. Now, let's ride. Okay, I want to move on to the Talk Car segment. The Talk Car segment is brought to you by the new Lexus ES, which I recently drove for a video.
46:57 Speaker 02 You know what, and you made a great point in our friend group. You talked about this, why don't you have a Lexus ES?
47:01 Speaker 04 I've never wanted a Lexus ES. I don't buy sedans.
47:05 Doug DeMuro? He's not...
47:06 Speaker 04 I don't buy sedans.
47:07 Doug DeMuro? Give him time.
47:08 Speaker 04 I've owned one sedan, it was a Kia Special 2003.
47:10 Doug DeMuro? You don't understand, the new Lexus ES is higher, like the Crown, so it gives an S.
47:14 Speaker 04 In fact, incredibly, I do understand.
47:16 Doug DeMuro? I actually, Filippo, I actually have a... I actually have something for you about the Lexus ES that I think that you will appreciate hearing. This is directly from Lexus. In a market overtaken by SUVs, the ES meets the desires of guests who are looking for something different, yet enjoy the spaciousness of an SUV. And I want to make two points here. First off, they call their customers guests.
47:40 Speaker 04 I know, I love that.
47:41 Doug DeMuro? You call us the team members?
47:43 Speaker 04 I love guests. I love guests a lot. But I want our team members to feel more at home, and our community to feel more at home. They're a part of it. They're not just guests.
47:52 Doug DeMuro? They're not guests. That's true. The people who buy the cars, if you're watching the video right now, you're a guest. How about that? Well, move on. It's not our audience. They are our guests. No, I don't like that. No.
48:03 Speaker 04 They're our family, Doug.
48:04 Doug DeMuro? And number two, you need to understand, in a market overtaken by SUVs, it meets the desires of guests who want the spaciousness of an SUV.
48:13 Speaker 04 Does it?
48:13 Doug DeMuro? This is you. I can't talk about it. It's under embargo. I can't talk about it.
48:18 Speaker 04 It was a week ago.
48:19 Doug DeMuro? But what I can talk about-
48:20 Speaker 04 Is the Lexus TZ, which is their new three-row EV SUV.
48:23 Doug DeMuro? They did have that there. That's not what I want to talk about either, believe it or not. Felipe's like, can we please talk about the actual things people care about? No. We're going to talk about something that nobody cares about, and it's called the Lexus LBX. Have you ever heard of this car?
48:34 Speaker 04 I have, because I-
48:34 Doug DeMuro? He's never heard of it. Pull it up.
48:35 Speaker 04 I looked it up when you put it in the doc.
48:37 Doug DeMuro? The Lexus LBX is a Lexus car that is not sold in the United States.
48:42 Speaker 04 What a shame.
48:42 Doug DeMuro? And it's a little luxury crossover, and you're sitting here thinking, I don't care about this. I don't want anything to do with this. It doesn't matter to me.
48:50 Speaker 04 It's amazing you read my mind.
48:52 Doug DeMuro? Ah, but it does. Because there is, they, uh, cross. There is, Kenan, perk up, a Murizo edition of this.
49:01 Speaker 04 Is it really?
49:02 Doug DeMuro? With 300 horsepower, all-wheel-drive, manual transmission.
49:06 Speaker 04 It's called the RR.
49:07 Doug DeMuro? You are joking.
49:08 Speaker 04 I'm dead serious.
49:11 Doug DeMuro? There is, there is.
49:12 Speaker 04 For what market? For what consumer?
49:14 Doug DeMuro? Do you believe this? So this BS little car, which who cares?
49:17 Speaker 04 Not a Corolla Cross, babe.
49:18 Doug DeMuro? There is a 300 horse turbo three cylinder Mariso edition.
49:23 Speaker 04 What?
49:24 Speaker 02 That can be honest, it looks pretty good.
49:26 Doug DeMuro? It looks pretty good.
49:27 Speaker 04 What?
49:28 Doug DeMuro? With a manual transmission.
49:29 Speaker 02 That's, bring that here. That is very cool.
49:33 Doug DeMuro? That's pretty cool.
49:34 Speaker 04 So the, the, the LBX is based on a Corolla? Not, not a Corolla Cross, like a GR Corolla? Has to be.
49:40 Doug DeMuro? Well, I think it's based on like the Yar, I think that motor is from the GR Yaris.
49:44 Speaker 04 The motor is your crawl, but.
49:46 Doug DeMuro? And the GR crawl, I guess it's the same powertrain. Those are the only three cars that use it.
49:50 Speaker 04 Wow.
49:50 Doug DeMuro? Think about that.
49:51 Speaker 04 Sold Australia, Japan?
49:53 Doug DeMuro? Globally, they told me. And it's like globally, I'm on the globe. If you spin a globe, it's gonna come to the Americas.
49:59 Speaker 04 It shares the platform of the Yaris Cross, okay.
50:01 Doug DeMuro? There is a car out there, a Lexus sport utility vehicle. The same company known for making vehicles that put you to sleep. That is a 300 horsepower, manual transmission, four wheel drive, little hot hatch.
50:16 Speaker 04 But that is a small, if it's based on Yaris Cross. That's so small, it's not sold in the US market.
50:20 Doug DeMuro? Folks, the best hot hatch on the market today is being made by Lexus. Pull up an interior photo, let's see if it's any good. I haven't done any research on this car.
50:30 Speaker 04 This is incredible.
50:32 Speaker 02 If Lexus F is continuing, they want to elevate their brand in terms of sportiness and all.
50:36 Doug DeMuro? They don't.
50:36 Speaker 02 Well, they, they're claiming to by going racing and things. If they did, bring this here.
50:40 Speaker 04 Six speed, I, a six speed manual, a first for Lexus.
50:44 Doug DeMuro? That's incredible.
50:45 Speaker 02 That's amazing.
50:46 Speaker 04 It looks pretty good.
50:47 Speaker 02 I have a feeling this car would do pretty well here if they brought it here.
50:50 Speaker 04 It's so small. And also the, the entire Yaris platform's not.
50:53 Doug DeMuro? I don't think it'll do well, but I'm sure they're cautiously awaiting the sales results for the Acura ADX to decide whether or not to bring it.
51:00 Speaker 04 Which is bigger. Not much if it's that size.
51:02 Doug DeMuro? That is cool.
51:04 Speaker 04 There is.
51:05 Doug DeMuro? Folks, you're missing out on this. Right to your local Lexus dealership.
51:08 Speaker 04 Does Lexus have a presence in Australia outside of the LBS?
51:11 Doug DeMuro? Lexus is a global brand though. They told me that ES is sold globally. Europe, Asia, China. I'm like, really?
51:17 Speaker 04 Available globally and sold globally are two different savings.
51:21 Doug DeMuro? That's sad, Felipe. How can you say that about the poor Lexus?
51:23 Speaker 04 What a great find. How did you discover this?
51:26 Doug DeMuro? Cause I was looking to see, um, at one point, I wanted to see how many sedans Lexus had at one point had and how many they've down to now. Five, by the way, at one point they had five.
51:34 Speaker 04 Now they have two.
51:35 Doug DeMuro? They have two. And the IS, who knows if that gets redisigned? And, um, and so then I was, so I was on like the model line and then I see this thing and I'm like, what the hell?
51:45 Speaker 04 This is incredible.
51:46 Doug DeMuro? So I click on it thinking it's going to be boring, which obviously most of them are, and I discover this.
51:51 Speaker 04 This is incredible.
51:52 Doug DeMuro? And by the way, it stands for, LBS stands for Lexus Breakthrough Crossover.
51:59 Speaker 04 I do remember the game we did for the Cars in Bed channel where we had to figure out what they were all after. So I appreciate you mentioning that.
52:05 Doug DeMuro? Lexus Breakthrough Crossover. Uh, anyway, Kenan, what do you got for us?
52:11 Speaker 02 Ah, yes. So I have a video out of my channel. I did something.
52:16 Speaker 04 You did something.
52:17 Speaker 02 To my M5. You were, you wrapped it?
52:20 Doug DeMuro? I, I. You're gonna show this?
52:21 Speaker 02 Yes.
52:22 Doug DeMuro? This is terrible. I would conceal it and pretend it never happened.
52:24 Speaker 02 Well, I, I, I tell the truth to people.
52:26 Doug DeMuro? Nick Rochon would conceal it and tell people it never happened and then sell the car.
52:30 Speaker 04 Yep.
52:31 Speaker 02 Well, I'm never selling the car. Uh, so this happened, uh, to my M5. Now I pulled.
52:36 Doug DeMuro? Kenan hit a small animal.
52:38 Speaker 02 I, that's not true. There are no small animals in San Diego. There are no animals on the road in San Diego, period.
52:42 Speaker 04 He had a moose.
52:43 Speaker 02 I hit a moose. Yeah. Uh, no, like the A-Class, uh, I, anyway. So I pulled slightly over a, a cement parking barrier and it had two metal barbs sticking up. I did not see that. I also didn't hear it. I have dash cam footage of this and I backed up and it just went.
52:58 Doug DeMuro? Oh, how tragic.
52:59 Speaker 02 Oh my god. And you can see me, because the dash cam is right there, I get out of the car and you can see me go like this, looking at it. And it did quite a bit of damage, which I'm gonna, luckily none of it serious, all of it cosmetic, but all of it very expensive. The bumper, the belly pan, you remember how I replaced those fender liners? I was so proud of my big deal. I had to do it again.
53:19 Doug DeMuro? Why?
53:19 Speaker 02 Uh, once, I snapped it. This snapped the brake duct, it snapped all of this stuff underneath.
53:24 Doug DeMuro? I thought you just replaced the bumper.
53:26 Speaker 02 No, I had to replace a lot, because it broke a lot of things. This like got stuck and ripped all, in one spot and they're all attached there and it ripped all of them.
53:34 Doug DeMuro? But you were driving it around after it happened.
53:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, because I removed all of that stuff. Like I put, right there, I took off the belly pan, I took off the bumper.
53:42 Doug DeMuro? You know, a lot of folks say, and I'm not one of them, Filippo I bet.
53:45 Speaker 04 Yep.
53:45 Doug DeMuro? A lot of folks say if you remove that stuff and then you drove around with it gone, maybe you didn't need it in the first place.
53:50 Speaker 02 You need it. Uh, so I, I-
53:52 Speaker 04 I shouldn't say that, what's taking that?
53:53 Speaker 02 Nobody says that. Uh, so yes, it was tough, I did have to drive around with the car a little bit, no, nothing mechanical happened. Luckily it didn't hurt the belly pan, or the, the oil pan rather for the car. But nonetheless, it was really difficult. But now I do have a new bumper, new fresh paint on the front of it, looks lovely.
54:08 Doug DeMuro? You know, I want to give some real advice to people who, for the, whom this happens. If you've driven over a parking curb and you realize you drove over a parking curb, the only thing to do in order to prevent this from happening is to keep driving straight. Go over the parking curb with the whole car, instead of backing up.
54:23 Speaker 02 No, the, the only thing you can't, I mean, because people say, well, so, oh, you could pump up your tires and stuff, it's like, this would not have been enough clearance to deal with it.
54:31 Doug DeMuro? Quick checks.
54:32 Speaker 02 Yes, let me just grab those out of my trunk, because I carry those around, like that doesn't happen. And if I, the only, there was really like, also I didn't know I had done it, had I known that I'd done it.
54:42 Doug DeMuro? But if you do know, do you agree you would have just kept going straight?
54:44 Speaker 02 No, it's a low, of course not. Outrageous statement. When I could have, it would have worked. A lot of cars, the front's the lowest part.
54:54 Speaker 04 Yeah, but you are.
54:55 Speaker 02 I could have maybe found some wood and put it on there and backed up and that would have lifted.
54:59 Speaker 04 Yeah, that would have been smart. I like that.
55:01 Speaker 02 But like, I mean, I was in downtown San Diego at my gym. Where am I gonna go find?
55:05 Speaker 04 By the way, excellent parking quick checks. Like, like, like, it's like it's separated on both sides.
55:10 Speaker 02 Well, that was, that was the, that was the wor- well, that was one of the bad parts is I pulled in the spot, I was thrilled because I was blocked by a wall on the side and it's the dream. It's a car enthusiast. Nobody contorting me. Instead, I ripped its face off. So it's like, I can't win.
55:24 Speaker 04 I should say, it is back to looking great.
55:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, the car looks amazing now. I'm su- I'm super happy with it. But it was very expensive. I go into all this in the video. It was, it was 15 seconds. They cost me thousands of dollars.
55:33 Speaker 04 How many thousands?
55:34 Speaker 02 Uh, almost four.
55:35 Speaker 04 Damn.
55:36 Speaker 02 That's a thousand. But there was something I wanted to learn. There was something I did want to point out too, because I worry about a lot about parts of this car not being available. Bumpers. They did a whole set of bumpers in 2024. There are thousands of them.
55:47 Speaker 04 Oh, that's good.
55:47 Speaker 02 So you can still get bumpers for this car, which is nice.
55:49 Speaker 04 I'm glad to hear it.
55:50 Speaker 02 Other parts you can't, um, but, but nonetheless, it was like.
55:53 Speaker 04 Bumpers are important.
55:54 Speaker 02 My point I want to make with this is even as careful as I am, things do happen to cars if you use them. I've driven the thing almost 100,000 miles now. Uh, and so it, you know, stuff happens and it's a car, ultimately I repaired it and we move on with our lives. But it was. You want to talk about exposure therapy. You remember how I was all upset about the little scuff I had on the front bumper right there?
56:13 Speaker 04 It's fixed now.
56:13 Speaker 02 This was much worse.
56:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, but now it's gone. So in a way, this is actually detrimental to you because you got that fixed.
56:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, but I lived, I had to live with no face on the front of the car for a while. That was worse.
56:23 Speaker 04 It didn't have a face.
56:24 Speaker 02 It didn't have a chin.
56:24 Speaker 04 It'd be like if I took Filippo's jaw and just.
56:28 Speaker 02 That's right.
56:29 Speaker 04 Yep.
56:30 Speaker 02 So I was, this was hard, but, uh, you know, it also was making me start to think about.
56:36 Speaker 04 Selling the car.
56:36 Speaker 02 No, about getting it daily. About getting it daily. I'm tucking this away because it's like.
56:41 Doug DeMuro? We're selling the car.
56:42 Speaker 02 This just wasn't, no.
56:44 Doug DeMuro? I did think about a couple of days ago, I think maybe you should sell the car.
56:47 Speaker 02 Were you really thinking that?
56:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
56:48 Speaker 02 No, I'm not selling the car.
56:49 Doug DeMuro? I'll get into it with you later, off camera.
56:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's not gonna happen. You've tried. There's no point. Don't waste your breath.
56:54 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, you wanna talk about the, you went to an event?
56:57 Speaker 04 Yeah, we at Cars and Beds were at a Cars and Coffee that we put on alongside Tire Rack and Walnut of America and American Branching Association. And I was there alongside a couple of folks from our team, and it was very nice. I talked to like hundreds of people from the South Bend area that came down from like hours and hours away.
57:14 Speaker 02 Hours and hours away and they were all from the South Bend area?
57:16 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Point taken.
57:17 Speaker 02 It's a big metro.
57:18 Speaker 04 I spoke poorly.
57:19 Speaker 02 It's a Dallas-Fort Worth.
57:20 Speaker 04 I spoke poorly.
57:20 Speaker 02 In concentric circles.
57:21 Speaker 04 I really, though, appreciated talking to everybody there. It was very nice. There's some gifts that I need to give you, one of from our viewers. Somebody give a little pen for Ryan. He have no AC, Ryan.
57:30 Doug DeMuro? Ryan Lopez got something?
57:32 Speaker 04 Yeah, but it was very nice to kind of connect with so many people and see you all.
57:35 Doug DeMuro? What was the most interesting car there? Anybody bring an LBX?
57:39 Speaker 04 No, sadly. But somebody did pull up in a Saturn Ion Redline with his dad, and his dad was like one of the chief engine engineers behind the LS series of engines at GM and a bunch of the other kind of GM engines that we know.
57:54 Speaker 02 That man's a goddamn hero.
57:55 Speaker 04 He pulled up in a four-cylinder Saturn.
57:57 Doug DeMuro? I'm still looking for an Ion Redline to review.
58:00 Speaker 02 Are you?
58:00 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah. Are you kidding? Those cars are incredible.
58:03 Speaker 04 The Ion SC.
58:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, whatever.
58:06 Doug DeMuro? Or a first year with the removable, with the two-tone upper and lower. You know what the first year is? They have these removable body panels. It's a whole thing.
58:15 Speaker 04 I don't remember that, no.
58:16 Doug DeMuro? And four-spoke wheels. The Ion was cool when it first came out and they kind of like decontested it.
58:20 Speaker 04 All Saturns were kind of great for a bit. I love that series Saturn.
58:24 Doug DeMuro? It was a short bit. Unfortunately, we don't know that because I have a Saturn video I'm not releasing. I don't want anybody to know what's in those files.
58:31 Speaker 04 Can I talk about another event, though?
58:33 Doug DeMuro? Yes, but for two seconds.
58:35 Speaker 04 All right, we have an event coming up at Velocity Invitational. We have an incredible lineup of cars that will be there in person and then ending on May 30th. There's a link in the bio here for the, if you're watching on YouTube, go to the page where we have all the auctions that are live. By the time this podcast goes out, there'll be 18, if not a little more auctions live with some truly special cars.
58:55 Doug DeMuro? The cars we have at this are un- how did you find these cars? Did you do anything?
58:59 Speaker 04 Yes.
58:59 Doug DeMuro? You, you must.
59:00 Speaker 04 But mostly not, no. I don't know these cars. But we have a 430 Scud.
59:03 Doug DeMuro? You should see.
59:04 Speaker 04 We have a Giulia TZ1.
59:05 Doug DeMuro? Can I talk about the cars?
59:07 Speaker 04 You may.
59:08 Speaker 02 Well, yes, because one of the cars I am representing myself personally is there. This Lamborghini Uracan Performante. So this car is gonna be there. I will be there. Filippo will be there.
59:19 Doug DeMuro? You did this one?
59:20 Speaker 02 I'm personally doing this one. Yes, I did a video on this car and I'm representing it for the owner and it will be there to be very excited about.
59:26 Doug DeMuro? Kenan went out to North Alabama. The other day I looked at Kenan's location. He was in Florence, Alabama. I was like, what in God's name is Kenan doing there?
59:32 Speaker 02 This is what I was doing.
59:34 Doug DeMuro? He was with this Performante. Incredible car.
59:36 Speaker 02 The owner of this car, I'm gonna be helping with several of his cars. So he has this Agara Supera and Agara LP550-2 Spider. And he has an STO, really nice STO. And he's in Florence, Alabama. Which, if you're not familiar, is truly, go to the middle of nowhere, turn left and go some more. That's Florence, Alabama.
59:53 Doug DeMuro? So he's got a bunch of Lambos. Does he have a Mark IV Super Turbo?
59:55 Speaker 02 He does not have a Mark IV Super Turbo.
59:57 Doug DeMuro? Okay, um, this is cool. The cars we have are unreal.
1:00:00 Speaker 04 There's a 991 Speedster, like no miles, and a narrow-body 1999 Speedster.
1:00:06 Doug DeMuro? You know the 89 Speedster?
1:00:07 Speaker 04 I don't know anything.
1:00:07 Doug DeMuro? Of course Filippo brings up Porsches.
1:00:09 Speaker 04 And also there'll be an incredibly low mile, there'll be an incredibly low mile R34 GT-R V-spec.
1:00:16 Doug DeMuro? Midnight Purple.
1:00:16 Speaker 04 Midnight Purple. It's a special, special car. These will all be live when you're watching this, by the way, so go check them out.
1:00:20 Doug DeMuro? Go check them out. These are the coolest cars we've ever auctioned in our entire life as an auction website.
1:00:24 Speaker 02 It's a pretty serious group of cars, if I'm...
1:00:26 Speaker 04 Across the 18 cars, I was doing the math earlier, it's something like four and a half million dollars in cars.
1:00:32 Doug DeMuro? Oh damn it. Filippo's sal- Filippo, the math man, is salivating at the op- revenue opportunity for Cars and Bids.
1:00:38 Speaker 04 Our RBS cap, and so our take, our effective take rate will be very, very low on our cars.
1:00:42 Doug DeMuro? Cars and Bids make money. Filippo says, "Ooh, Cars and Bids!"
1:00:46 Speaker 04 That's exactly what I say.
1:00:48 Speaker 02 That's exactly what I do.
1:00:49 Doug DeMuro? Filippo does when he goes home, folks.
1:00:50 Speaker 04 It is my literal job.
1:00:52 Doug DeMuro? Uh, I want to move on to the market report. Speaking of this stuff, I want to move on to the market report, which of course is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids, oh, Sean's looking at me. No, Sean, don't. Go back down.
1:01:01 Speaker 02 Put the headphones back on. Go back in your hole.
1:01:04 Doug DeMuro? Cars and Bids is the finest auction platform on the planet for anything. I, it's even, no, cars or not, it's even better than all the other stuff.
1:01:12 Speaker 02 Yeah. We've auctioned all this stuff.
1:01:14 Speaker 04 We have. Auction the couch ones.
1:01:17 Doug DeMuro? There's even cars and bids. There's now even cars and friends.
1:01:21 Speaker 04 Which is a great podcast.
1:01:22 Speaker 02 And should be called Cars and Buds, but we'll move on.
1:01:24 Doug DeMuro? I did a video recently with Jason Camisa and it was quite something.
1:01:27 Speaker 04 I have yet to watch it, but I'm told.
1:01:29 Doug DeMuro? It's great. There's more coming.
1:01:30 Speaker 04 There's some controversial ones coming.
1:01:32 Doug DeMuro? There's better ones coming. That one was good. There's better ones coming. We even did a video, Jason and Doug share their controversial automotive opinions.
1:01:39 Speaker 04 Please tease one.
1:01:40 Doug DeMuro? Okay, one of mine is that Filippo shouldn't be allowed to drive.
1:01:46 Speaker 04 I'm a pretty good driver. Never been in an accident, never gotten a steering ticket.
1:01:48 Speaker 02 Agrees with that.
1:01:49 Speaker 04 Never like injured a car?
1:01:50 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. Um, I want to move on to the market report.
1:01:55 Speaker 04 Eventually.
1:01:55 Doug DeMuro? The market report actually, of course, is brought to you by the Lexus LBX. The Lexus LBX, it is the best hot hatch for sale today.
1:02:02 Speaker 04 Sadly not for sale in the US.
1:02:04 Speaker 02 Global view.
1:02:05 Speaker 04 I want one.
1:02:06 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, give us one market report and then Kenan's gonna give us one and then we're gonna move on to the questions.
1:02:10 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:02:13 Speaker 04 Let's talk about things that I like, which is cheap, full-size SUVs.
1:02:16 Doug DeMuro? Let's talk about it.
1:02:18 Speaker 04 No, no, start with the Q7.
1:02:19 Doug DeMuro? You know what? I gave you this XC90. You owed me big.
1:02:23 Speaker 04 We sold this Q7 for $16,000. The Q7, still the same as this generation. Hasn't changed.
1:02:29 Doug DeMuro? But on Tahoe plates too, it looks so.
1:02:31 Speaker 04 It looks great. And it has a budget of legitimately good performance mods, uh, 034 motorsports, like a good Audi modifier. Modific.
1:02:39 Doug DeMuro? This is a $16,000 car.
1:02:42 Speaker 04 Car. And it looks beautiful. It's like 90 something thousand.
1:02:45 Doug DeMuro? So the XC90 was even more.
1:02:47 Speaker 04 The XC90, we failed to sell.
1:02:49 Doug DeMuro? Failed to sell.
1:02:50 Speaker 04 Although it is in the right ballpark for value, because I've looked at XC90s.
1:02:55 Doug DeMuro? So I sent this XC90 to Filippo. I sent this XC90, I sent it to two people, Filippo and my buddy Perry, and I sent it to both of them.
1:03:00 Speaker 04 Why don't you send it to us?
1:03:01 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. I don't know. But I sent it to both of them. We're on one text thread. Individually, I sent it to both of them. And I said, I can't believe it's a $15,000 used car. And they both said, yeah. And it, and it, and it almost looks like a brand new one.
1:03:11 Speaker 04 It does.
1:03:12 Doug DeMuro? And I was thinking to myself, almost. I'm like.
1:03:13 Speaker 04 There was a facelift in 25.
1:03:15 Doug DeMuro? No one can tell it apart from a new one. Most people can't tell apart from a new one. I said, most people. I can't tell it apart from, I have no clue. This to me looks like it. If I saw my neighbor get one of these, I'd be like, damn, I just got a new.
1:03:25 Speaker 04 There was a facelift in 25. Which looks worse, actually. It is incredible. So this is
1:03:30 Doug DeMuro? It's a $15,000 car.
1:03:32 Speaker 02 It does not look like it.
1:03:33 Speaker 04 2023 had a bunch of upgrades to the plug-in hybrid.
1:03:37 Doug DeMuro? Kenan.
1:03:38 Speaker 04 But nevertheless.
1:03:38 Doug DeMuro? You could buy this and look rich today.
1:03:42 Speaker 04 You will look rich and you'd be safe.
1:03:43 Speaker 02 No, the point of this is like I was talking about, is a daily to retire the M5 as a daily. It's like, there are a lot of
1:03:49 Doug DeMuro? If you can't drive an XC90.
1:03:50 Speaker 02 No, obviously I can't, but like there are appealing options out there.
1:03:53 Doug DeMuro? Go back to that Q7. I want to look at it again. Try it in Q7. I just want to see the
1:03:57 Speaker 02 They're all general, all of them.
1:03:59 Speaker 04 Incredibly. Just that one was a beautiful color with some
1:04:01 Doug DeMuro? Look at these results. These cars, $13,000 for a 17.
1:04:04 Speaker 04 I know. It's appealing.
1:04:05 Doug DeMuro? Wow. $14,800 for this. These are brand new looking cars.
1:04:08 Speaker 04 It is truly incredibly appealing.
1:04:10 Doug DeMuro? It's the current design.
1:04:11 Speaker 04 Yes. It's incredibly appealing. We have our station wagon, which I love and will keep for a long time. But my wife has always wanted either a V6 RAV4. That was her dream car for years.
1:04:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:21 Speaker 04 Or an XC90.
1:04:23 Speaker 02 XC90, it is.
1:04:23 Speaker 04 You know, it could be something that we make happen for 15 grand.
1:04:27 Doug DeMuro? Well, you know, you can get an early XC90 for like two.
1:04:29 Speaker 04 A first gen.
1:04:30 Doug DeMuro? Pull up XC90.
1:04:32 Speaker 04 She's a second gen fan.
1:04:34 Doug DeMuro? Or order by lowest price. Let's see how cheap these got.
1:04:36 Speaker 04 Oh, free.
1:04:38 Doug DeMuro? Look at this. That is to this day, I'm going to go out on a limb. Click on that one. That is to this day, the greatest looking SUV of all time.
1:04:45 Speaker 04 E53X5.
1:04:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'd put the X5 in there as well.
1:04:48 Doug DeMuro? This is the greatest looking SUV of all time.
1:04:50 Speaker 04 Yamaha V8.
1:04:51 Doug DeMuro? Yamaha V8, straight pipe it.
1:04:53 Speaker 04 Although this one, there was a few years when it wasn't Yamaha V8.
1:04:56 Doug DeMuro? All right, Kenan, can you give us a market report, please?
1:04:58 Speaker 02 Yes. I noticed something interesting this past week. So we sold a car that I'm not sure it's going to come up like that.
1:05:04 Speaker 04 It's sold, so you guys will know more.
1:05:06 Speaker 02 Oh, wait. We have a lot of Chevy
1:05:08 Speaker 04 We have a lot.
1:05:10 Speaker 02 Really did not realize.
1:05:11 Speaker 04 It turns out also, oh yeah, wow. My goodness. This closed three days ago. There's 12.
1:05:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, we sold
1:05:16 Doug DeMuro? We're running. Did you see the result here?
1:05:18 Speaker 04 Joe, just so people know, if they are in May, we have 275 cars live at any given moment now. We're running 55 a day. You gotta scroll.
1:05:25 Speaker 02 Back in the day, yeah, like six years ago almost. It was, we start, yeah. So this is a 1922 Chevy 490 Touring. So this is a pre-war car. This is a brass era, which is completely incorrect. That ended in 1915. But this car, this car.
1:05:38 Speaker 02 This sold for 4,720 American dollars. Now, here's the thing, I, this is like a canary in the coal mine to me. When I think about like, you know, a lot of people talk about it's like, oh, cars from the 1950s. The generation that appreciates those is diminishing, we'll say.
1:05:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:05:55 Speaker 02 And what's going to happen to those cars? This, this is what is going to happen.
1:06:00 Doug DeMuro? Type in Chevelle. Type in Chevelle.
1:06:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:06:02 Doug DeMuro? I had a buddy, a neighbor of mine, sell his Chevelle. This car, 47 he sold it for, and he had bought it years ago on Bring the Trailer. And he modded it, made it nice, and it's a really nice car.
1:06:13 Speaker 02 It looks nice, yeah.
1:06:13 Doug DeMuro? And he sold it for about what he paid for, he put a lot of money in it, sold it about what he paid for. I think he was disappointed, but I've been, I've been watching over at the Bring the Trailer, the old Porsches. It ain't pretty. The really old ones. Modern stuff, the 993s, the modern air-cooled, and this is a trend. This is, this is so clearly happening.
1:06:31 Speaker 02 Yep, yeah.
1:06:32 Doug DeMuro? This car is definitely like a bit of a bellwether because it's really old. Four grand, I mean, come on, it is non-running, but the car probably has four moving parts.
1:06:39 Speaker 02 Right, right, yeah. Okay, let's say you double the amount that's into it, like, I mean, you know what I mean, it's not.
1:06:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah. But that Chevelle, old 911s, long hoods, the kind of stuff Sean's into. The, this world, this world is changing.
1:06:51 Speaker 02 I agree.
1:06:52 Doug DeMuro? The 60s stuff, the 50s stuff, the 20s stuff.
1:06:55 Speaker 02 Right, right, I realize this is a bit of a stretch, but my, my point remains, like, I think, this is a signal, Terry. And as you see all of these cars, all of these modern Ferraris and all of these more modern cars from kind of our era become expensive.
1:07:08 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
1:07:09 Speaker 02 The changing of the guard is happening. And like, you know, even like David Lee's 250 GTO result, like, people said that was low, it's like, I don't know, I think that's kind of where it is.
1:07:18 Doug DeMuro? Correct and probably falling.
1:07:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:07:20 Doug DeMuro? There will be a time when the 250 GTO is not the world's most expensive car. Granted, it's that Mercedes that, that sold for 150 million. But that was like a one of one, like, the 250 GTO as a theme, I suspect, will eventually get replaced by vehicles such as the Carrera GT with the Formula One powertrain.
1:07:36 Speaker 02 Which it does not have, of course, but nonetheless, an interesting case study.
1:07:38 Doug DeMuro? It is an interesting case study.
1:07:40 Speaker 04 Since you're on Porsches, can I say one thing about Porsche market?
1:07:42 Doug DeMuro? Okay, here we go.
1:07:43 Speaker 04 Google, look up 992.
1:07:45 Speaker 02 Oh my god. What, what tidbit are you gonna hit us with here?
1:07:49 Doug DeMuro? We gotta talk about Porsches. We gotta talk about Porsches today, can't we?
1:07:51 Speaker 02 He's just a Porsche guy, god, you know, him getting a 911 is the worst thing that's ever happened.
1:07:55 Doug DeMuro? That's a 2020 911, 10,000 miles, Miami blue.
1:07:58 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:07:59 Doug DeMuro? Sticker on it was 137.
1:08:01 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:08:01 Doug DeMuro? So with. Old Porsches going down. New Porsches, apparently, even automatic 992s that are so replaceable are at MSRP.
1:08:10 Speaker 02 It's because it takes no effort to own one. I think that's part of it.
1:08:13 Doug DeMuro? But there's some disaffirmability to that. Even for an enthusiast, you know, that's a good daily.
1:08:18 Speaker 02 Great daily. It's a great daily.
1:08:20 Doug DeMuro? At MSRP six years later, I don't get it. If you've got something special in the garage you want to preserve, like a Mark IV Supra, it's a good daily. Yeah. By the way, obviously, good photos, no reserve, etc. But still. In good color and low miles. Because it's not like they made money on it. I mean, they only drove, they only got 10,000 miles out of six years. So there was a barely driven car and it still dropped. But your point is well taken. It still dropped at MSRP. You know, a Highlander. Right. You would have lost more money on a Highlander. People go, oh, the Porsches are so expensive. Well, actually, TCO, the Highlander is more expensive. Somehow. Yeah. Okay, time for the questions. Time for the questions. The questions, of course, are brought to you by Kennon's Hair. Kennon's Hair.
1:08:55 Speaker 02 There's lots of it and it's very thick.
1:08:57 Doug DeMuro? Uh, you too can ask your own question. You can't have hair like that. No, I've not. I've tried. It does not work.
1:09:02 Speaker 02 I feel very lucky as I'm 30. I have lots of hair.
1:09:04 Doug DeMuro? But you can ask a question. You go to carsandbids.com, you click somewhere on the community tab, then you click somewhere in there. Yeah, also there's a link in the description. Okay, questions. We want your good questions. This week, they were pretty good, so we're going to answer a few of them, starting with one U.S. It's like Lewis, but the one is an L. The L is a one. Uh, hey Doug, curious on pre-production cars after I saw the EX60 video. Do they let you drive it, just not review it? When you do drive them, are they really rough? No, usually the pre-production cars, when I get them to review, are actually production cars that they claim are pre-production cars. They usually are made on the assembly line. They usually are made with basically all the same tolerances and stuff. But there might be a few little things that aren't quite working perfectly. The main reason that
1:09:48 Doug DeMuro? we're not allowed to actually drive or driving review pre-production cars is it's an embargo thing. They don't want me to have an advantage over other people, whatever. They don't want to kind of piecemeal give out cars to people. So there's going to be an actual launch that where they actually have people drive the cars all at once so they can, they can do a true, you know, embargo release of all the reviews. I remember the Ford Bronco for you being an exception to that, right? There have been a few that. I've done like the cars that were basically concept cars that weren't actually running, but stuff like the EX60, I've done it with a few, a bunch of other cars actually where they're pre-production, but like, like the ID Buzz I did a long time, it was pre-production, but like, it was production. But they want to tell you that it's pre-production to kind of couch any potential issues. And there might be some potential issues, but usually the cars are
1:10:31 Doug DeMuro? pretty much ready to go. They just, you can't, that's if you're going to release a car, you can't release it to one person. You have to wait until all the production ready cars and all the people are at the same place. And that's just the fair way to do it. We're all about fairness here. Um, next question from Ryan D79, and this is for us. Dude, in general, you seem to prefer unmodified cars. During the WS6 video, though, you mentioned how good the aftermarket shift knob was. Yeah, but you should see how good the OE one is.
1:11:00 Speaker 02 You tell them.
1:11:02 Doug DeMuro? What was your favorite modification? Are there any modifications that you thought you wouldn't like that you did like? I'm not opposed to modifications.
1:11:07 Speaker 02 I'm not, particularly in the case of reliability. That's a big one, or usability. So for instance, like adding a Bluetooth module to a car, something that gives you the ability to stream your phone to the car. Fantastic. Makes the user experience much better.
1:11:20 Doug DeMuro? More or less, all of my cars are modified. That car's not, but the other ones, I mean, we added an axle lift and a Bluetooth and heated seats to the Carrera GT. The Countach got a built motor. Hell, yeah. The Ford GT's got stuff. I mean, they all, the short shifter and exhaust, they all have stuff. I'm not opposed to modifications. I just, some people, and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna name anybody. I don't want to embarrass Ryan Lopez, but some people take it a little far.
1:11:45 Speaker 02 Well, when you, when you completely transform the experience of the car in a way that makes it objectively worse, and harder to use because it bottoms out on a leaf, like it just is not, like reasonable. Like, I just don't like that. Like, I want to use the car. I drive. So like,
1:12:03 Doug DeMuro? Exactly.
1:12:03 Speaker 02 You know, I'm not about that.
1:12:05 Doug DeMuro? I think that the, um, that the modifications I don't like are the ones that either drastically change the look from a car that's look I already liked, um, or ones that change the driving experience to make it significantly worse. Now, there's arguments over what worse could be. Ryan would argue that his drift car is better. Because of how he modified it, which may be true, but he also can no longer drive the car.
1:12:27 Speaker 02 Right, right. I have not seen it leave this office. Been a long time. It sits over there.
1:12:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but he can drift the car.
1:12:34 Speaker 02 He can drift the car. Also never seen him do that.
1:12:36 Doug DeMuro? Never seen him do that.
1:12:36 Speaker 02 Seen him drive the cars in coffee and it sits statically there, but yeah, that's where the, yeah, especially the reliability thing. Cause there's nothing less cool than breaking down on a car.
1:12:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. So I mean, I'm not opposed to mods. I just, I would, I have a limit. My limit is probably shorter than what most people's limit is, but all my cars are modded in some capacity. I just get it. You put the big wheels on and the this and then that and blackout stuff. And it starts to be like, eh, I'm not really into those kind of mods. That's what I would say.
1:13:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly. And neither is the market that will then buy your car after that.
1:13:06 Doug DeMuro? With some exceptions, yeah.
1:13:07 Speaker 02 Right. Yeah, very far and few between.
1:13:09 Doug DeMuro? And part of the question is, has there ever been a mod that you thought you wouldn't like that you did like? There are some wheels that I think are okay. Other than that, yeah, some stuff. I mean, short trip, nothing that I go in thinking I'm not gonna like.
1:13:20 Speaker 02 No, there's, yeah, there are definitely some mods I've seen. I saw a, an R53 Mini, just a nice little red one with white OZ wheels on it. And it looked so nice. I was like, that's cool. Like I'm here for that.
1:13:31 Doug DeMuro? There's also a lot of like exhausts that do actually sound good or open up an engine or whatever.
1:13:35 Speaker 02 Yes, there are some that are approved.
1:13:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Uh, okay. Next question from Rex 7277. Dear Doug, what happened to the bloopers at the end of the videos? The question for Nick, our editor. Not crazy Nick, who I wouldn't trust to edit.
1:13:48 Speaker 02 Oh my God, can you imagine?
1:13:52 Speaker 02 Edit a tin can.
1:13:56 Speaker 02 I don't disagree. I don't know what that means, but.
1:14:00 Doug DeMuro? I wouldn't trust crazy Nick to edit a, a voice message that James Inglesman sends me from Toronto. Anyway, uh, what happened to the bloopers? The answer is I became a professional. I don't have any bloopers.
1:14:12 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:14:13 Doug DeMuro? Next question.
1:14:14 Speaker 02 Editor Nick is nodding.
1:14:16 Doug DeMuro? It's very rare. I used to have more, but like, I'm pretty good at this now. And it's actually very unusual that I like mess up. And when I do, I usually just start again. There's not much laughter and stuff. Sometimes it happens, but it's rare. It's rare.
1:14:30 Doug DeMuro? The TZ, we got an Alpha TZ coming, that's, but that's live, right? That's live right now. There's a blooper in this week's video. Take that, Mr. Rex7277. From, next question from DaddyDoug26. We're speeding through these. To DaddyDoug and friends, carmakers saw how iconic the lightweight three-seater sports cars like the F1 and T50 are. Why don't other automakers make them now that they see how Gordon Murray was able to do it? Gordon Murray was not able to do it. It's an important distinction. The T50 is not legal in the US. It's only here under shore display, which is a law created for very special, very limited production cars to come in and be driven by rich guys. And there are airbag regulations that prevent three-seater seating arrangement in vehicles. The McLaren Speedtail
1:15:15 Doug DeMuro? had the same problem. It also is a three-seater, one in the center, two on the sides. The side seats, even though there are probably airbags somewhere in front of them, are not close enough to the airbag to comply with US regulations, so the Speedtail also was a car that had to be brought under shore display. You cannot, the question is actually, how, now that they've seen Gordon Murray has been able to mass produce it, how, why don't other automakers do it? There's no mass production of this. The only way that these cars are allowed to be sold in the US is through their shore display, which hinges on their low production. There will be no other cars, unless they could figure out a way to get an airbag in front of those middle passenger, those side passengers, but that's basically impossible because of egress. Like, you'd have to put an airbag essentially where the door opening is to get to climbing inside. I don't think it's possible. Anything to add?
1:16:00 Doug DeMuro? You wish they had them.
1:16:01 Speaker 02 Oh, god, yes.
1:16:34 Doug DeMuro? Uh, next question, uh, from XT Ben. This is one for Kenan. Dear Doug, but it's for Kenan. As you grow older, again for Kenan, do you find that you have less patience for daily driving a fun car? Will you not tolerate daily in a car with sporty suspension, for example, big bolstered seats, etc.?
1:16:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, I mean, luckily, my daily driver is pretty comfortable.
1:16:53 Doug DeMuro? As you get older?
1:16:55 Speaker 02 You know, I have run into situations where I'm like, it doesn't need to be a manual for this situation. Which is something I never thought I'd say. That said, I did buy an automatic and I was like, this is, what am I doing? This is boring. And I went back to having a manual. So I'm not quite there yet. I'm on the precipice.
1:17:11 Doug DeMuro? But when you drive hard-edged cars, do you feel now different than you did when you were 23?
1:17:16 Speaker 02 I've always felt like this.
1:17:18 Doug DeMuro? Really? Like, when you drove those types of cars when you were young, like you occasionally would get rotten, you know?
1:17:22 Speaker 02 You know, I like it on occasions, like, like the, the four day Duna Coupe that I drove, that, I mean, that thing was, I mean, that's a race car, make no mistake about it. And I loved it, but I'm like, this is great as a fifth car in your garage. I would not want that as the second car.
1:17:36 Doug DeMuro? And you've always felt this way? This hasn't changed as you've gotten older?
1:17:38 Speaker 02 No, for me, no. I, I've always liked it slightly more comfortable.
1:17:41 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, you've obviously never been into sports cars. Um, obviously for me, yes, deeply. I, I, um... You, there's been a noticeable change. Yeah. Like, I daily boring cars. Yeah.
1:17:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:17:50 Doug DeMuro? And a nine and three twin turbo.
1:17:51 Speaker 02 The all...
1:17:52 Doug DeMuro? Fuck, I said! Compared to that.
1:17:55 Speaker 02 I think the all, the all terrain was kind of like an eye-opening thing. That car is just like, you didn't need the...
1:17:59 Doug DeMuro? It had four and a half seconds zero to sixty. Yeah, remember, that car's faster than Nick's wagon, zero to sixty. Yeah. Especially with Nick driving it.
1:18:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, but it's so comfortable and it's like, its purpose is just like ease and it's just like, nice. Everything about it is just nice.
1:18:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:18:10 Speaker 02 And for a daily, that's what you want.
1:18:11 Doug DeMuro? I've got more into that. Could be your only car.
1:18:13 Speaker 04 Can I share a story? I mentioned, I mentioned a few weeks ago that my wife, who drives a lot, uh, and, and in traffic, was getting a little tired of having a manual transfer.
1:18:22 Doug DeMuro? Uh huh.
1:18:22 Speaker 04 Uh, today, she's in a Hyundai Elantra, a rental car, because a bunch of logistical reasons. And she called me on her way up, uh, to Riverside and complained that it wasn't peppy enough and that it didn't handle well enough.
1:18:36 Doug DeMuro? Wow, so...
1:18:36 Speaker 02 Wow, didn't handle well enough? What was she doing?
1:18:39 Doug DeMuro? I don't ask questions. She, what time is she doing? She's gotten experience in a GTI.
1:18:43 Speaker 02 She's, she's white line certified now.
1:18:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:18:45 Doug DeMuro? Uh, we're gonna do one...
1:18:46 Speaker 04 So she doesn't feel that way.
1:18:47 Doug DeMuro? We're gonna do one more question. One more question.
1:18:50 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:18:51 Doug DeMuro? From InkDroidB.
1:18:53 Doug DeMuro? With BMW stopping production of the Z4, Jaguar F-Type is gone, Porsche's Boxer is gone. Do roadsters have any hope in the US market?
1:19:00 Speaker 04 The Miata.
1:19:00 Doug DeMuro? First off, not just the US market, but globally, the TT is not mentioned there, that's also gone.
1:19:05 Speaker 04 But it might be back.
1:19:05 Doug DeMuro? Mercedes SLK is gone, SLC is gone.
1:19:09 Speaker 04 The CLE though is around.
1:19:11 Doug DeMuro? Yes, but it's a question about roadsters, which I think specifically is referring to two-seater.
1:19:15 Speaker 04 We did, we did forget to talk about the Z4 is dead.
1:19:18 Doug DeMuro? The Z4 is dead.
1:19:19 Speaker 04 We didn't talk about in the news, but.
1:19:21 Doug DeMuro? Are roadsters gone? I'll tell you this, the most popular convertible on sale today?
1:19:26 Speaker 04 Jeep Wrangler.
1:19:27 Doug DeMuro? A Jeep Wrangler, roadsters live!
1:19:29 Speaker 04 It might be the Ford Bronco this year, we don't know yet, but.
1:19:32 Doug DeMuro? I do think that there is less and less of a market for those cars, and the SUV killed them like it killed everything else.
1:19:39 Speaker 04 I also think that the part of the premise of a roadster is some relative affordability. Like, the people that want more luxury and higher end are probably gonna want four seats, or just more space. It's like the roadster specifically, like an affordable segment comparatively, that is also kinda just gone.
1:19:57 Doug DeMuro? I think so. The new SL became a roadster, that's not selling at all, to utter trash. I think that the market.
1:20:02 Speaker 04 The Granada is most, no, four seats.
1:20:04 Doug DeMuro? I think that even then, just convertibles, like I think that the market has generally sort of started to reject less practical cars.
1:20:11 Speaker 04 Except for?
1:20:13 Doug DeMuro? Except for the Mustang.
1:20:14 Speaker 04 Except for two seats, manual, top.
1:20:18 Doug DeMuro? The Miata?
1:20:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:20:19 Doug DeMuro? I mean, to a degree, I guess, you know, the Miata's in its 13th year in its life cycle because there's not a lot of will to redesign, right? I think that they will redesign, but like, it's not like every, it used to be where like, you know, there was a convertible version of the Chevy Cavalier. The Toyota Paseo, the Honda Civic, like all these cars, yeah dude, the Civic convertible, look it up! It was called the Delsol.
1:20:44 Speaker 04 Well, yeah, that's why, I was. But that was a separate model.
1:20:48 Doug DeMuro? Oh, it was a separate model?
1:20:49 Speaker 04 I, I was trying to think if there was ever, if it was ever called the Civic convertible.
1:20:53 Doug DeMuro? It was called the Civic Delsol, Civic of the sun!
1:20:56 Speaker 04 That's true.
1:20:58 Doug DeMuro? Point taken.
1:21:01 Speaker 02 Yes, in this case.
1:21:02 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, the convertibles are gone. I do legitimately believe the SUV played a big role in that. I think that there used to be that in order to have any sort of performance, you had to get sort of a sportier car. And these days, everything has pretty good performance. And also, people want to set up high and have practicality. And the fact that they're able to do all that in one vehicle, as opposed to compromising on stuff that roadsters used to make you compromise on, why not just get an Evoque? It's as fast as a roadster, it's cool, and it's also can fit all your friends and your dog and your frisbee golf, if you're Felipe.
1:21:31 Speaker 04 I do miss frisbee golf. I used to play.
1:21:33 Doug DeMuro? I knew it. I knew it. I never knew that.
1:21:38 Speaker 04 I do think that I'm excited for Lexus's PR speak when they reveal the ES convertible. Can do everything a normal convertible can.
1:21:45 Doug DeMuro? What Lexus should do is give us the LBX. We want the LBX. Start a letter writing campaign.
1:21:49 Speaker 04 L-B-X.
1:21:50 Doug DeMuro? Go to your Lexus dealership.
1:21:52 Speaker 02 The Marizzo edition specifically.
1:21:53 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, not the regular trash.
1:21:55 Speaker 02 God, I say that.
1:21:56 Doug DeMuro? Uh, any final words? Sean, do we have to promote anything that you haven't told us yet to promote? We did it. I'm pretty good at slipping those in.
1:22:05 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:22:05 Doug DeMuro? Felipe slips it in.
1:22:07 Speaker 02 Check out all the Velocity cars. I also did a video on Mach 1 that's coming soon.
1:22:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, the Velocity cars are so cool. So cool. Goodbye, everyone.
1:22:14 Speaker 02 Goodbye.
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