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Chapters:
00:00:00 CAR NEWS
00:00:20 New Camaro and CT5?
00:00:55 Buick Electra Orbit Concept
00:04:17 New Freelander
00:06:56 Infiniti QX80 R-Spec
00:10:52 Chubbies
00:12:04 Hyundai Boulder SUV
00:17:27 Jaguar Sticking with EVs
00:22:34 Jaguar Steering Wheel
00:24:25 New Porsche 911 Variant
00:28:26 Saily
00:29:23 Ford GT Nurburgring Record
00:31:14 Speed Cameras
00:33:55 Lewis Hamilton & Kim Kardashian in an F40
00:35:41 TALK CARS
00:35:54 Nick Bought a Convertible Range Rover
00:41:54 Omega Law
00:43:12 Filippo's Family Foxbody
00:47:43 Nick's Baby Oil Burnout Story
00:48:54 Kennan's Indian Motorcycle Experience
00:53:34 MARKET REPORT
00:53:38 Velocity Invitational
00:54:19 Some Upcoming Cars & Bids Events
00:55:16 Manual Cayenne GTS Market Report
00:59:02 GT350s & 997s Are Going Up
01:01:14 Proof That Presentation Matters
01:04:28 Filippo Sold His BBS LM Wheels
01:05:32 QUESTIONS!
01:06:10 Which Automaker Would You Have Create A One-Off Car For You
01:09:16 What Is Your Learning Manual Story?
01:12:34 If You Were Broke, What Cheap Daily Would You Have?
01:15:53 The Vey or The Ron?
01:16:54 Nick Ranks the Range Rover Generations
01:20:58 Conclusion
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1:05 Speaker 02 Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Kenan.
1:09 Speaker 03 I'm Filippo.
1:10 Speaker 02 I'm Nick, filling in for Doug, who is gallivanting over the East Coast.
1:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, although he did leave that behind us.
1:15 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:15 Speaker 03 Unfortunately.
1:16 Speaker 02 Nice treat of him.
1:17 Speaker 03 All right, should we dive into the news?
1:19 Speaker 02 Let's dive into the news.
1:20 Speaker 03 Okay. This is a Buick concept car. I'm not making this up. That's truly what it is. But there's a reason it's the first story today, which is there is a rumor from a GM supplier, and pretty verified rumor, that the Camaro, a new CT5, and a new Buick Sedan are going to start production in September of 2027.
1:39 Speaker 02 Wow.
1:40 Speaker 03 Which is soon. No, that's really soon for there to be three cars that we have not seen. We haven't seen leaks really of what the new Camaro will look like, of what the new CT5 will look like, of what a new Buick Sedan could look like.
1:53 Speaker 02 But if there's one thing we're certain of, it ain't gonna look like this.
1:55 Speaker 03 Yeah. Uh, this looks... How would you describe this, Kenan?
1:58 Speaker 04 I like it a lot. Actually, the was it the EB210, that sedan that they did when the one that was in production? That's what it reminds me of. I actually think, and there's like, there's kind of a hint of Ferrari Daytona up front. I actually like the way it looks, but the reality of it is if they're smart, they're not going to do this. Cadillac is clearly proving there is no market for a luxury sedan that costs a fortune.
2:18 Speaker 02 I've seen two Celesteeks in the wild, which I'm shocked by. One in Scottsdale and one around here, but wow.
2:24 Speaker 04 Wow, the one around here, that's without dealer tags. They're like actual customers.
2:27 Speaker 02 It was like somewhere east county. It was kind of strange, but.
2:30 Speaker 04 That's a bit of.
2:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think green lighting any sedan right now is a bit of a questionable move.
2:34 Speaker 03 I agree, but Buick needs cars and my understanding is that they need to build more cars at that factory to make it make sense financially. And so adding a third model on the same chassis.
2:44 Speaker 02 Here's what I would do. Comeback Tour, Buick, Tiger Woods, they both rehabilitate their image at the same time.
2:51 Speaker 03 He's gonna crash it again.
2:52 Speaker 02 Well, they'll do, they could use that to advertise their like stability control.
2:55 Speaker 03 It did work for Genesis.
2:56 Speaker 02 Anti-rollover.
2:57 Speaker 03 Tiger Woods crashing a Genesis GV80 surely helped.
3:01 Speaker 02 Bring back Firestone tires on it. Like you can just go all in. Just own it. We don't roll over.
3:07 Speaker 04 We don't roll over.
3:08 Speaker 02 We don't roll over, uh, we don't roll over comma anymore. That's the new Cadillac. That thing looks cool. It looks to me more like a concept car from the 90s.
3:15 Speaker 03 It does.
3:16 Speaker 02 You know what I mean? Like it's so futuristic, it looks retro now.
3:18 Speaker 04 Even the background they chose is very 90s futuristic.
3:21 Speaker 03 The, the last Buick sedan was the Regal, which was discontinued in, uh, after 2020. So this would be a return to sedans for Buick, which currently sells a few SUVs. Uh, but we, all we know so far is that it's almost certainly an updated version of the Alpha platform, which is what the CT4, CT5. And some other GM products are on. There's a decent chance there'll be a V8 for some versions of the CT5 or the Camaro. You have invested heavily in the V8 plant recently. And that's all we know, but it's exciting that there'll be three new cars, cars, not SUVs, cars, cars. And the Camaro certainly will be a performance car.
3:55 Speaker 02 The Camaro is the more interesting one. It's been dead since 2024 model year, so.
3:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:58 Speaker 02 Uh, that's, that's nice. That's great.
4:00 Speaker 04 How do you save Buick in the US though? I mean, their, their core market is not the United States. It's pretty dead.
4:06 Speaker 03 The Buick Envision is one of the SUVs.
4:08 Speaker 02 Every time I see one, I think, wow, there's a BYD going by. I mean, it just, it doesn't even look like it's meant for our market.
4:15 Speaker 03 All the Buick, what?
4:16 Speaker 02 Doesn't matter. That little Buick SUV, it looks so Chinese.
4:19 Speaker 03 That's the Invista.
4:20 Speaker 02 Okay.
4:21 Speaker 03 Uh, which is a car.
4:25 Speaker 03 By the way, if you want a CT4 Cadillac or CT4 V, you gotta get your orders in this month.
4:30 Speaker 04 Right.
4:30 Speaker 03 Order books are closed.
4:31 Speaker 04 Wow.
4:33 Speaker 03 So, end of the year, but CT5 will be replaced.
4:36 Speaker 04 That's good. I hope they do a Blackwing version of it, continue to do that, and give it a manual just like the last one.
4:41 Speaker 03 I am excited that they're making truly three new generations or generations for three new models that are clearly internal combustion engine, rear wheel drive platform. That's cool.
4:53 Speaker 04 It's very exciting that GM is doing this. I'm sure their execution on it will be poor as usual, but I am excited to see them do it.
4:58 Speaker 03 We love the CT5.
4:59 Speaker 04 I do. The CT5 V Blackwing is my, might be my favorite mass produced modern car.
5:04 Speaker 03 We love the Camaro.
5:06 Speaker 04 The last one was great. At the end, it was really good.
5:08 Speaker 03 Zero one one Ali.
5:09 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's just the only one I've ever driven. That's just true. Just go straight to the top.
5:13 Speaker 03 Go straight to the top.
5:14 Speaker 04 Nonetheless, it is exciting. We'll see. We'll see what these cars end up looking like. Oh, Freelander, this must be Nick.
5:19 Speaker 02 This is the one I'm excited for. So you may remember the LR2 or even the Freelander from a long time ago in Land Rover's lineup. It was their compact, sort of sporty, two-door actually, and a lot of variants.
5:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:32 Speaker 02 And sort of a drop top one too, but it's coming back.
5:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, there was.
5:37 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah, well, it's like a, kind of like my L405, which we'll get to later. You know, this is a little questionable of a roof. However, the Freelander's coming back. It's a joint venture with Geely. It's going to be made in China, which means it's almost certainly not coming to the US. Tariffs alone would make that impalatable. But it's really cool. I like the design language. It reminds me a little bit of a shrunken Defender, like very boxy, very muscular. It's going to be EV and it's probably going to be sold in Europe and other places too, but start as a Chinese vehicle.
6:06 Speaker 03 I should note, it's actually with Cherry, not whichever company, not Geely, but that's okay. It's a different Chinese automaker that's quite large and successful too.
6:15 Speaker 03 It was designed in England, but do you have any idea how large this is? The Freelander was small. It was their smallest product. This is over 200 inches long, which is like...
6:26 Speaker 03 Sequoia size, I guess, like that is L4 or 5.
6:29 Speaker 04 But if you're making it for the Chinese market, I mean, they want longer cars generally.
6:33 Speaker 03 So that. It is longer than an L4 or 5 Range Rover.
6:36 Speaker 04 Wow.
6:36 Speaker 03 It might be longer than a new Range Rover, just who cares?
6:39 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean.
6:41 Speaker 03 It's a weird product.
6:42 Speaker 04 It is an odd product. I guess it makes sense. I don't know.
6:47 Speaker 03 Bringing back cool styling, like the, the, the seat, the D pillar is like at an angle like it was in the original Freelander. Two doors. It's cool.
6:56 Speaker 02 And if you're in Chi, like the Chinese manufacturers are trying hard for credibility. So.
7:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:01 Speaker 02 You're recycling a nameplate that honestly wasn't that great of a nameplate, but it was a nameplate that is got some history and some credibility. Uh, it feels Land Rover, but it doesn't say Land Rover anywhere. Technically, the Freelander is its own brand.
7:15 Speaker 03 That's right.
7:15 Speaker 02 So I think that's like, it's an interesting play for them to get some credibility as an off roader without actually using any of Land Rover outright.
7:24 Speaker 03 I would like to note that the, their press releases tout that 200 designers worked on this in England.
7:30 Speaker 02 Hmm.
7:31 Speaker 03 Cause.
7:31 Speaker 04 Every great car. 200 of them.
7:35 Speaker 03 It's a clear marker of success.
7:37 Speaker 02 Well, if one is good, two is better and 200 is 10 to 100 times good.
7:41 Speaker 04 Right. I think, I think I heard Gordon Murray say something like that once. Uh, that is a, it's an interesting vehicle. I am glad to see like boxy SUVs. They're like around. It's clear, it's clear that they've.
7:51 Speaker 03 Electric, obviously, but that's.
7:52 Speaker 04 Still, yeah, still. All right. All right. Moving on to the next news story.
7:55 Speaker 03 Not electric.
7:56 Speaker 02 Yeah. Also on the ridiculous category though, Infiniti wants to make an Escalade V competitor. 700 horsepower. Hopefully not in purple with. Those wheels, but.
8:08 Speaker 03 With the wheels for sure.
8:09 Speaker 02 It's funny because Doug reviewed that Nissimo, um, whatever, and it came out really.
8:14 Speaker 03 Their monitors. Oh, yeah.
8:14 Speaker 02 Questionable in terms of how it came out, but then the Escalade V looks really cool. So will Infiniti get this right? Uh, is, is a big question mark. I think what's interesting is that Infiniti is still out there. Like we've all basically.
8:27 Speaker 04 The fact that they exist.
8:27 Speaker 02 Written them off and saying, ah, why don't you just give up at this point? And they're saying, no, we're going to do an Escalade V competitor. They also said, we want to do a manual sports sedan. Which brings me back to like the G thirty seven days.
8:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:38 Speaker 02 Um, so it's like, maybe, maybe Infiniti's not giving up, but they're going enthusiast.
8:42 Speaker 03 I think they must, I, I think they've seen the demand on the QX eighty and Armada, which is the Nissan version. Clearly they've seen the man for sporty one. They've, they've made clear that there will be multiple performance variants. There's already the Armada Nismo, which is mostly cosmetic. But they've said in that interview that they're gonna aim for seven hundred horsepower for a version of it. There may also be a six hundred horsepower version that comes out sooner. Like they've seen the demand for the Escalade V, which is strong and think, okay, we can capture some of that market.
9:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, but that's a Cadillac and it's got a unbelievable V eight engine and it's like.
9:15 Speaker 03 You don't like the five point six liter, which is what I assume they'll put in this because that's the only V eight they have.
9:20 Speaker 04 Right, because the only V eight they have and it's how old, I mean, that was.
9:22 Speaker 03 Forever.
9:23 Speaker 04 Right, exactly. I mean, that's been through how many different presidential terms that thing has existed?
9:26 Speaker 03 What is that engine called?
9:28 Speaker 04 I don't remember. I can't remember the engine code, but like, the Cadillac is attractive because it makes ungodly power.
9:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:35 Speaker 04 And the Escalade is always amazing. The Escalade is so nice. And this is.
9:40 Speaker 03 So is it? Have you been in one? They're, they're nice.
9:42 Speaker 04 It is, but like.
9:43 Speaker 03 The US generation is truly nice.
9:45 Speaker 04 Yeah, but how old they sell, you know?
9:46 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah.
9:48 Speaker 04 Exactly. And I don't think this is gonna solve their problem necessarily.
9:51 Speaker 03 No, but I'm glad they're doing it. They, they clearly can't just go after regular people because they aren't buying their cars.
9:57 Speaker 02 And, and Escalade, Escalade V is selling for a hundred sixty eight grand. So, all Infiniti needs to do is undercut them by like twenty, thirty grand and you're gonna get some people that are like, ah, do we really need the Cadillac?
10:08 Speaker 03 Power sells, it turns out.
10:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, I, I'm skeptical here.
10:13 Speaker 03 Manual sports sedan will be cool.
10:14 Speaker 04 Of course it would be cool. If people do have to buy it, but it would be cool. That's my fear is that like you can build, you know, if you build it, they will come. I'm not entirely sure if like people are gonna.
10:24 Speaker 02 You have to assume they just said, we've already developed the car. The cost of coming out with a new trim model is like fairly, it's, it's a lot easier to R and D that than a net new vehicle. So let's just kind of iterate. Although the sports sedan is again a weird move.
10:35 Speaker 04 That's weird because the trains, like the development costs of that are not.
10:39 Speaker 03 But they can use it from the Nissan Z. So you can picture a Nissan Z, which has four hundred horsepower ish, uh, manual transmission.
10:46 Speaker 02 Just add some doors.
10:47 Speaker 03 Put that powertrain, use that in the development of a sedan.
10:52 Speaker 04 I guess.
10:52 Speaker 03 Nissan and Infiniti are definitely going for what? How can they get the most new product variants out? Affordably, but in a way that gets news and a 700 horsepower SUV does that. A manual sports sedan does that for enthusiasts and are both easy to develop for them. Given what they have now, will they be good?
11:11 Speaker 04 Well, will that save them? I'm not confident about that.
11:14 Speaker 03 They just need products.
11:15 Speaker 02 And Nissan is also way more willing to work with you on your financial terms. That they are and give you some really great loans that last your lifetime.
11:22 Speaker 04 You know what this is? This is the birth of new takeover vehicles. We're seeing.
11:27 Speaker 02 Yep. Well, this is more like the takeover mom that now needs to settle down a little bit, you know? And like, she's like, ah, can't afford the Escalade V, but I still want people to know I'm edgy.
11:38 Speaker 02 I think Lucid had that mom in their personal graphic studies. It was like the rugged mom or whatever.
11:44 Speaker 03 Good callback.
11:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, well done. I think about that a lot.
11:48 Speaker 04 Okay.
11:48 Speaker 03 You're the only one.
11:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:50 Speaker 04 All right, very.
11:51 Speaker 03 All right, keep moving forward.
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13:05 Speaker 04 Oh, a boxy SUV.
13:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, this is the Hyundai Boulder.
13:07 Speaker 04 That looks really cool.
13:09 Speaker 03 You know, Hyundai has obviously the Tucson and the Santa Fe, and it's only reasonable that they just moved north a little bit.
13:14 Speaker 02 Nice.
13:15 Speaker 03 Thank you.
13:15 Speaker 02 I see.
13:16 Speaker 03 It's a boxy off-road focused SUV concept that they had at the New York Auto Show. We already know that Hyundai was going to move a little bit that direction, right? They want to go after the American off-road segment, the American truck segment. All inclination is that their first off-road product will actually be a pickup truck, not really a SUV thing. There's clear steps that they've been taking towards pickup trucks to replace the Santa Cruz, which is not really a pickup truck. I mean, it is.
13:47 Speaker 03 But it's exciting that they're going that direction. And clearly, they're going after a specific market because here is a line from their press release that is truly incredible.
13:57 Speaker 02 I love deep cuts from Filippo and press releases.
13:59 Speaker 03 This is a design concept built on American values and American life, tailor-made for those looking to blaze new trails with security and purpose. And they make a big deal that it's designed in America, developed for America, will be built in America. And forged with Hyundai-produced US steel.
14:15 Speaker 02 Did they put like a screaming eagle sound here?
14:18 Speaker 03 I have to imagine the entire grill would be able to be an American flag. They just haven't finished development yet.
14:23 Speaker 02 Maybe that's a loophole that tariffs will have. If you have like a screaming chicken on the hood, you're good.
14:28 Speaker 03 It'll be built in America, as a lot of Hyundai products are. It'll be their first body-on-frame platform.
14:33 Speaker 02 I was gonna ask you, is it body-on-frame?
14:35 Speaker 03 Sort of. You may recall the Kia Borrego, which I believe was body-on-frame.
14:40 Speaker 02 For like one year?
14:41 Speaker 03 It was sold briefly in the US, but it was sold longer outside.
14:48 Speaker 03 So they did have a truck, but this will be their first like true off-road or large tires.
14:52 Speaker 02 What are you taking? Put money aside, that or a Bronco, which one? Which one would you rather be driving and seen in?
14:59 Speaker 03 I think it depends on what it actually looks like ultimately, right? We're a ways away.
15:02 Speaker 02 Assuming that it's a watered-down version of this.
15:04 Speaker 03 I'm into the Bronco generally. A Bronco Sasquatch pack is cool. There's gonna be a hybrid Bronco, by the way. We're not talking about that today. I, that story got killed. There will be a hybrid.
15:17 Speaker 02 Producer Sean killed it.
15:18 Speaker 04 And Felipe still managed to work it in.
15:20 Speaker 03 Thank you.
15:21 Speaker 02 Conspiracy.
15:21 Speaker 03 And I do love hybrids, hence my love for the Wrangler 4 by you.
15:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think I'd still rather be seen in a Bronco ultimately, but if the price point is right and they do build this, I, I think it's commendable. This is what the market wants.
15:32 Speaker 03 And it will be, the first one to come out will be a midsize pickup truck, which is also the Ranger and the Colorado and the Canyon sell in okay numbers, but there's clearly a demand for that kind of pickup truck and it's a good direction for Hyundai.
15:44 Speaker 02 If you cover the front grille, it reminds me of the Resbani tank.
15:47 Speaker 04 A little bit. I do see, especially this.
15:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, the rear haunch thing.
15:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
15:52 Speaker 03 It's cool. By the way, if you want to see, Doug a few months ago did a like deep dive on a model that he had, a static Hyundai, Sean? Crater. He did something with a Hyundai Crater. He did like a full deep dive. And that was also kind of like a tease of this, right? Like a futuristic off-roader, some influence here from that concept too.
16:12 Speaker 02 I am pumped that the idea of like concept cars and big swings are coming back.
16:16 Speaker 03 Yep.
16:16 Speaker 02 Like for a while, we got so iterative and cautious and safe and everyone was just like, here's my bland EV and now all of a sudden we're getting body on frame from Hyundai and we're getting whatever that Buick thing was.
16:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:27 Speaker 02 Escalade V competitors. I do worry that these are all like AI hallucinations.
16:30 Speaker 04 They absolutely are.
16:31 Speaker 02 Product planners just like, hey, tell me what I should make. And then they're like, okay, now make a rendering and.
16:35 Speaker 04 Well, yeah, to be clear, I don't think this is a picture of a model. It doesn't exist in the real world.
16:40 Speaker 03 There was one at the New York Auto Show.
16:41 Speaker 04 There was?
16:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, it was there.
16:42 Speaker 04 Okay, so it actually.
16:43 Speaker 02 But with 3D printing, I imagine you can make a one-off a little easier as long as you don't have to look inside and it doesn't have to run. But still, it's exciting. Like we're getting back to like a heyday of not quite coach building, but like at least we're trying again.
16:57 Speaker 03 Can you just Google the Hyundai Boulder at the New York Auto Show? It looks cooler in person. Maybe it looks like less insane in person is really what I mean.
17:09 Speaker 04 Sure, you can know where I am for today.
17:11 Speaker 02 Google know where we are.
17:13 Speaker 04 They can't find us in the bunker.
17:15 Speaker 03 Any of these pictures that are better lit, like it's like a cool looking
17:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, I agree.
17:18 Speaker 03 Four door thing that it looks realistic ish too.
17:21 Speaker 04 How is the rear, is there a rear door?
17:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:23 Speaker 04 I guess there is, yeah.
17:24 Speaker 03 It's like an RSA.
17:25 Speaker 04 Kind of.
17:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, those are.
17:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's.
17:27 Speaker 03 Let's. Or a cul-de-sac, I guess.
17:29 Speaker 04 Oh, the whole fender moves.
17:30 Speaker 02 Yeah. The rear end was designed by Nakisan of RWB fame.
17:35 Speaker 03 Very.
17:35 Speaker 02 That name might be wrong, much like my whole cherry ghillie incident earlier, but you know what I mean.
17:40 Speaker 04 Right, Nick, king of accurate adjacency.
17:42 Speaker 02 Yes.
17:43 Speaker 04 But yeah, that does.
17:44 Speaker 03 That's what you guys are here for. You're supposed to have the facts and we do.
17:47 Speaker 02 And I'm just here.
17:48 Speaker 04 But I think that does look cool. I really hope they build this. I think, I think this, I mean, if it looks anything like that, I think it could do well.
17:54 Speaker 03 It's a big bet for them, but given how off-road focused the tele, the new tele ride looks, it's not actually like, given how brawny it looks, does it the right direction?
18:01 Speaker 04 Yep. Wish other manufacturers would be doing this. I think they're listening and.
18:05 Speaker 03 Everybody is.
18:06 Speaker 04 Not everybody, Honda still doesn't.
18:08 Speaker 03 The, the passport trail sport is selling well.
18:11 Speaker 04 Right. Honda's, are you listening? This is all just a message straight to Honda. This, this is the signal, Terry. This is the signal.
18:18 Speaker 03 They're not.
18:18 Speaker 02 They're listening and that's why they put a recovery hook on it. All right. Rugged. We hear you. Got it.
18:22 Speaker 03 And all, all of their PR was the passport trail sport hanging from the recovery hook. Truly. All right.
18:28 Speaker 04 Ah Jaguar. So Jaguar, you know, recently we have seen a lot of manufacturers start to question the move going to EV. And start to roll out more gasoline models. We've seen this with Porsche and a whole bunch of others. And Jaguar recently said that they, nope, they have decided even after their little break to go skiing in Switzerland and take some time off to find themselves. They're going to stick with EVs only.
18:49 Speaker 03 I don't think they have a choice.
18:51 Speaker 04 I don't think they do either. Uh, but it was interesting. I read through this entire interview, uh, with their, like their, um, director of marketing, uh, managing director. And he said that they're looking back at the last five or six years, the Jaguar business model wasn't working, uh, that it wasn't profitable, wasn't growing, and the customer base was aging. So their solution was to just stop making products altogether.
19:11 Speaker 03 It's a better solution.
19:12 Speaker 04 And is it?
19:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:14 Speaker 04 I don't think so. I think they should have maybe. They should have phased everything out and done this, but like, I don't know, but the, he made it. It was interesting to read through. In addition to saying they're definitely gonna stick with EV only, it's that like, there were clear regrets about the marketing campaign they chose to announce all this. They were happy that everybody was talking about Jaguar, but they, they said, quote, "We lost control of the narrative quickly." It's like, boy, did you.
19:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:37 Speaker 04 Uh, maybe you should have, I don't know, product, like, just tested it with any audience and you would know what was gonna happen.
19:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:43 Speaker 04 And then they, he was even asked, like, was the color pink the right color chosen for the consequence? He said, he's like, you know, we were going to Miami, so we figured pink, why not? That was basically the answer he gave. My fear with, so like, I'm not against them going, like, building some radical, taking it in a different direction. I think that it's still destined for failure if they're gonna do EV only.
20:06 Speaker 03 But you're the person that's most against change that I know.
20:09 Speaker 04 I know, but like, the market clearly agrees with me here. Like, a lot of manufacturers.
20:15 Speaker 03 For the record. I, I think the, the issue that they have is they had very aging product lines that they killed. They put all their effort into developing this. They can't go back to ICE, realistically. Internal combustion engine, that is not, immigration, customer enforcement. Uh, they have no choice but to move forward with this. Are you worried though? Or do you think that they're worried about this press image where they have their, their new concept car, which is very upright and tall and constrained next to, uh, X, J, C?
20:47 Speaker 04 Uh, that's, uh,
20:49 Speaker 03 Some, some old Jag, which is beautiful and stately. Do you think they should have done that?
20:53 Speaker 04 No, I think actually, I actually think the looks comparison is not that crazy, to be honest. It's like, both, they both have very high roofs, both very long.
21:01 Speaker 03 The, the new one has a higher roof only because the, the sides are...
21:05 Speaker 04 Windshield back, like, I mean, that, it looks related. I see what they're going.
21:09 Speaker 03 Cars are often similar looking, yeah.
21:11 Speaker 02 I, I do think it looks better in camouflage. Like, that was a good choice.
21:15 Speaker 04 That is cooler looking, yes.
21:16 Speaker 02 It, it helps.
21:17 Speaker 04 I don't know, I'm just so nervous about, I was thinking about Jaguar recently. It's like, I...
21:21 Speaker 03 You're with only one.
21:22 Speaker 04 I really want them to succeed. Like, I want to see them do it. I was thinking about brands that are undervalued, because last week I talked with Ryan and you about like, I think Aston Martin, like, I don't understand why some of their cars are undervalued compared to other cars. Like, the Vanquish I'm staring at right now versus the 575, it's like, I think I might prefer to have the Aston. It sounds better, and I think that it's like, it does the GT thing better. The both transmissions stink on both cars, so like-
21:48 Speaker 03 Kenan, hot take.
21:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, especially Mr. Ferrari.
21:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, I do love the 575, but I'd rather have a 550 than both of them.
21:54 Speaker 02 And I agree, the Vanquish is, it's special, it's beautiful.
21:56 Speaker 04 Yeah, it doesn't, but it's worth less than half of the 575, it just doesn't make sense to me. But my point is, like, I really want Jaguar to figure this out. It's like, I think they have real concerns about the direction they're going in, but they're gonna do it anyway.
22:09 Speaker 03 What they were doing was not working. There was no iterative version that was going to suddenly start working.
22:15 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think they could have done different things to be more, I don't think this is gonna work very well in their favor.
22:21 Speaker 03 I have my doubts.
22:23 Speaker 02 Do you want to know my hot take slash conspiracy theory here?
22:25 Speaker 04 Please, sure.
22:26 Speaker 02 They're out of money.
22:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:28 Speaker 02 They're intentionally doing this to get attention, because they want someone in China to buy their intellectual property.
22:33 Speaker 03 Keep in mind-
22:34 Speaker 02 So, the Chinese want to build EVs, and they want credible brands, much like my Freelander example. And so they're just being like, please, someone take this over, we don't know what we're doing, we're open to offers, but we're not gonna say that publicly, so we're just gonna make it so obvious that we're not trying anymore by doing stuff like this.
22:50 Speaker 03 Can I just know that in 2008, they were purchased by India's Tata Motors?
22:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, Tata, yeah.
22:54 Speaker 03 So like, that already happened, they already had their-
22:57 Speaker 04 No, they went China specifically, like, I understand what you're saying.
23:00 Speaker 02 Much like, remember when Ford bought them as part of the, what, Premier Automotive Group or what have you? Like, it's time to pass that hot potato, and this is just their way of saying like, please, someone buy us. And like, someone not in the US market, we're not even trying to appeal to them. This is strictly like a Chinese EV future for us.
23:17 Speaker 03 By the way, they also have a partnership with Cherry.
23:20 Speaker 02 Hmm, you sure it's not Geely?
23:21 Speaker 03 Yeah, possibly.
23:23 Speaker 04 So I don't know, R I P Jaguar, maybe, who knows, we'll see.
23:26 Speaker 03 They, by the way, in their partnership with Cherry, sell mostly their, the old Jaguar products.
23:32 Speaker 04 But in addition to this concept.
23:33 Speaker 03 Steering wheel.
23:34 Speaker 04 Yes, this, this photo came out recently of their steering wheel. Now, looking at this, this, in the year 2026, already looks aged.
23:43 Speaker 03 Can you describe it for the people that are listening?
23:46 Speaker 04 If you were alive in the late 1980s and you remember what everybody was trying to do with screens and car integration then, that's what it looks like now. That and a cross between like a Bang and Olufsen product from 2003. That's like, that's the best way.
24:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was going Bose, Bose Soundbar or whatever those were.
24:06 Speaker 03 Which had all the rigids like.
24:09 Speaker 04 It looks.
24:10 Speaker 03 Those were cool, by the way.
24:11 Speaker 02 They were. They were, they were like, you were somebody if you had one of those in the 90s.
24:16 Speaker 04 Yes, it was that, that and if your friends had the ice like thing in the refrigerator, that was how you, you could tell we grew up in the Midwest.
24:23 Speaker 02 Or maybe like a telephone, like a cordless telephone I see a little bit. It doesn't, it doesn't look like anything made in the last 35 years.
24:29 Speaker 04 No, and the screen integration looks like it's.
24:31 Speaker 03 Is that what that is?
24:32 Speaker 04 I think. Oh, it might just be a cover. It's got it, because it looks like.
24:37 Speaker 02 It looks like how I, I cover up a check engine light.
24:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:40 Speaker 02 Just throw some black tape on it.
24:41 Speaker 04 I don't know.
24:42 Speaker 03 It looks very IONIQ to me, like this, this steering wheel and, and shifter, which is on the, which is the stock, could work in like an IONIQ 5.
24:51 Speaker 04 I suppose.
24:52 Speaker 03 I don't know if it works in a multi hundred thousand dollar Jaguar E V though.
24:57 Speaker 04 Uh, yeah, I'm not sure.
24:58 Speaker 03 A little too avant garde.
24:59 Speaker 04 Yeah, it is, it is pretty out there, but yeah, if you, if you think what they did with the exterior of these cars is radical, imagine what they're gonna do with the interior of these things.
25:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:06 Speaker 04 I'm surprised it's not a yoke, to be honest with you.
25:09 Speaker 03 Same.
25:09 Speaker 04 You know, and it still very well could be. Uh, but the, yeah, this is just quite a wild picture. And then, of course, this guy had to.
25:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, I like that. I noticed that too.
25:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, of course.
25:18 Speaker 02 I throw a Nardi in it and just call it a day.
25:20 Speaker 03 You can store CDs here.
25:22 Speaker 04 Oh, wow. Interesting. Maybe, but fascinating. All right. Moving on to the next new story, Porsche, because this is a Porsche podcast. Filippo?
25:29 Speaker 03 It is a Porsche podcast.
25:29 Speaker 04 As a Porsche owner?
25:30 Speaker 03 Yep. All right. Next week, on the 14th or something like that, Porsche is going to reveal a new, particularly fun, 911 variant. So people on the internet have gone wild over this photo. And there's a bunch of theories of what it is.
25:46 Speaker 04 Right, now to be clear for audio listeners, it is a 911 with a cover on it, a Porsche crest on the hood, and the lights are on.
25:51 Speaker 03 Yes, but, but you can, if you, people that have looked closely at this, which is not me, I'm reporting what others have reported. They see door handles, and there's only, only this GT3 RS has door handles that stick out when closed, the rest flush, are flush with the vehicle. So it could be a GT3 RS variant.
26:08 Speaker 04 How fun.
26:09 Speaker 03 Some people believe that it looks like there's a break where the top is, so it could be a convertible. So there's some theories that it could be a convertible turbo, could be a convertible GT3 RS, could be some other variant.
26:21 Speaker 04 Comfortable turbo, do they not offer?
26:22 Speaker 03 Well, sorry, I meant a turbo with a manual, because of particularly fun and driving passion, could be a GT3 RS convertible, could be none of those things.
27:07 Speaker 04 But it could be, so.
27:08 Speaker 03 A GT3 touring, convertible, whatever.
27:12 Speaker 04 Touring convertible, I don't know.
27:14 Speaker 03 It's something, but that's particularly fun. There's a lot of people that do think it's likely to be a manual, because of particularly fun and like kind of going to driving enjoyment. But we will find out next week.
27:27 Speaker 04 Sounds particularly fun, particularly fun.
27:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, it will premiere on April 14th.
27:35 Speaker 04 Wow, okay, so yeah, so we'll be talking about it.
27:38 Speaker 02 Be honest with us, how often are you on run list?
27:40 Speaker 03 Never.
27:42 Speaker 02 How often are you checking the values of your car?
27:44 Speaker 03 Never.
27:44 Speaker 04 You know what, I, so my washing machine was on the fritz and Filippo let me borrow his and sitting in his garage, he was away, was his 911 Targa.
27:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:52 Speaker 04 And he was in there, windows and roofed open.
27:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:56 Speaker 04 With spiders in it.
27:57 Speaker 03 When I got home and the windows were closed, I was like, ah, right, Ken was here.
28:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, I saw this, I'm like.
28:01 Speaker 03 Why?
28:02 Speaker 04 Because you still don't understand how to take care of a nice car.
28:05 Speaker 03 What do you mean?
28:05 Speaker 04 He's just not a Porsche guy, like.
28:06 Speaker 03 I cleaned the car yesterday and I cleaned the interior, it's my garage, why not leave it open?
28:10 Speaker 04 Clean the interior.
28:12 Speaker 03 It looks, it looks pretty nice.
28:13 Speaker 04 It didn't look clean to me.
28:14 Speaker 03 No, no, I cleaned the exterior.
28:16 Speaker 04 There was like sand in the passenger.
28:18 Speaker 03 Well, because we use our cars. You want me to use my car or not use my car?
28:21 Speaker 04 It's an eighty something thousand dollar car, like you gotta treat it with some respect.
28:23 Speaker 03 It's a ninety thousand mile 911, I'm gonna use it, like a ninety thousand mile 911. And I will then clean it and I vacuumed it a bunch of times, I've treated the interior leather.
28:30 Speaker 04 I was on.
28:31 Speaker 03 I'm treating it nicely.
28:32 Speaker 04 I was unimpressed.
28:33 Speaker 03 It's a sign that I was driving the car.
28:35 Speaker 04 Which is good.
28:35 Speaker 03 With the, the top open, as you should, in the Targa.
28:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, but then you close it when you're done.
28:40 Speaker 03 Why?
28:40 Speaker 04 Because you get spiders in it and dust everywhere and.
28:43 Speaker 03 My garage isn't spider-y.
28:44 Speaker 04 More of a Porsche person, but my point is, Filippo, although he does have a 911, he does talk about Porsches a lot, he's actually not very much.
28:53 Speaker 02 And whatever BS variant this is, no one's gonna drive it. They're all gonna get it.
28:57 Speaker 03 No.
28:57 Speaker 02 They're gonna take it to One Cars and Coffee, they're gonna tell everyone about it, and then they're gonna park it.
29:01 Speaker 03 I, I have hope that this will be a more known one that that actually gets driven.
29:07 Speaker 04 Yeah, I hope, I hope people drive, yeah.
29:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:09 Speaker 04 I mean, I think the Crite is one of the most compelling things they make.
29:11 Speaker 02 I do, I agree.
29:12 Speaker 04 Go ahead and drive them, I mean, people just, you don't have to worry about it as much, like, I love those cars.
29:15 Speaker 03 It will almost certainly be on the high end of their lineup, obviously.
29:18 Speaker 04 G23 cab would be interesting.
29:21 Speaker 03 Is there a market?
29:22 Speaker 04 I, I don't know if there's a market for that.
29:24 Speaker 03 Who cares, I guess. It's cool.
29:26 Speaker 04 But a manual turbo would be, this is what I'm hoping for.
29:28 Speaker 03 Would be quite something.
29:29 Speaker 04 First manual turbo since the 997. That would be something cool.
29:32 Speaker 03 That would be.
29:33 Speaker 04 Pretty cool.
29:34 Speaker 02 And that would take money.
29:35 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think it would really.
29:37 Speaker 02 Big money.
29:37 Speaker 04 Yeah, exactly.
29:38 Speaker 03 It's what they did with the sport classic, right? That was basically a manual turbo.
29:41 Speaker 04 Correct.
29:42 Speaker 03 And values have stayed quite strong, just clearly the man.
29:44 Speaker 04 And Porsche is known for using limited edition models to test the concept of bringing it to.
29:49 Speaker 02 They are doing what Ferrari is not willing to.
29:52 Speaker 04 Yep, and they have been since the 911R.
29:54 Speaker 02 Yep.
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30:39 Speaker 04 I use this and you should too. Download the Salee app or head over to Salee.com and use the code CARS to get an exclusive discount on your first plan. Stay connected wherever you go with Salee. Okay, moving on from Porsche, ah, Ford.
30:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, ICE is not dead, to use your term again there. Ford just set a new record on the Nürburgring for fastest internal combustion engine. It fastest American car, beating out the Corvette ZRX1.
31:08 Speaker 04 1615 590.
31:10 Speaker 02 It's a little cheesy because they use not only a race car driver, which I expect a lot of the manufacturers are, but this is a track only variant. Yes, the public can buy it. They choose who can buy it, but like, in theory, you and I.
31:21 Speaker 03 Is it even the normal Ford GT?
31:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, it's the Mark IV GT prototype.
31:25 Speaker 03 Prototype pre-production vehicle.
31:26 Speaker 02 But, well, you could buy the the race car version of it. Like if you wanted to be a gentleman racer like Kenan and I.
31:32 Speaker 04 So it's kind of a BS thing.
31:33 Speaker 02 It's kind of a BSC thing, but still.
31:35 Speaker 04 So cool.
31:35 Speaker 02 Six minutes and 15 seconds, just absolutely ripping it. Again, you know, we're, America's back, baby. Like, that is so cool. And I feel like the the new Ford GT is waning a little bit, like the old Ford GT is getting to be a little bit more sought after in the secondary market. The the new Ford GT is maybe like a little tired. So doing stuff like this, I think, keeps that Ford GT like really hot, really exciting. I'm here for it.
32:00 Speaker 03 Obviously, this is different than the Ford GT you can go out and buy, but the fastest production car.
32:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:05 Speaker 03 According to Wikipedia is a Mercedes AMG one, which had a 629. So 15 seconds off of that, I recognize that it's a prototype vehicle on slicks, etc. But.
32:16 Speaker 02 It's cool.
32:17 Speaker 04 I don't know. It's cool.
32:17 Speaker 03 It's it's impressive.
32:18 Speaker 02 It's a good marketing gimmick. You know, their CEO is famous for going racing.
32:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
32:22 Speaker 02 I I think it's it's great to see Ford is still has their enthusiast heart beating very strongly for us all.
32:28 Speaker 03 To our friend Jim Farley. By the way, the the non-road legal cars fastest was a Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo in 2018 that did a 519.
32:37 Speaker 04 That's crazy.
32:38 Speaker 02 Hybrids don't count.
32:39 Speaker 03 This is in the third after the Volkswagen IDR.
32:43 Speaker 04 Okay, well.
32:45 Speaker 02 Moving on, just a fun little factoid there.
32:47 Speaker 04 Oh, speed cameras, speaking of Europe.
32:49 Speaker 03 Colorado is is rolling out a new type of speed camera. That's an average speed camera.
32:53 Speaker 04 No.
32:54 Speaker 03 Other countries, the UK especially, has had this for forever.
32:56 Speaker 04 France.
32:57 Speaker 03 But it means that there isn't a speed camera or a police officer. There it's taking the average from camera one to camera two. And and tracking your speed that way.
33:06 Speaker 04 Now, I have feelings on this. To finish, one is that it's it's it is nice knowing that they're not like not cops aren't hidden out there. You know exactly where they are. They're not moving, so you know where you can slow down.
33:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:18 Speaker 04 However, having just driven through France in Europe, having to deal with these damn things. It was so frustrating because all you do is you just stare at the the but like you just make sure it's set perfect. And then if it goes, if you go downhill a little bit, it's like, oh, did I pick up speed?
33:35 Speaker 03 I want to be clear. You if you're average 10 miles or more above the speed limit, you will get a $75 ticket and no penalty points.
33:43 Speaker 04 It's it's just a cash grab. Really, that's what that admits is that it's it's not for safety. It's just to make revenue. That's all that admits.
33:51 Speaker 03 Ten miles an hour, there is a safety element here, right? Like, it's known that if there's speed cameras in a static spot. Waze and Google Maps tell you where those are, you slow down.
33:59 Speaker 04 But if they actually believe that, then they would assign points to it to further deter, but they don't.
34:03 Speaker 03 In a lot of states and at the federal level, there have been some lawsuits about actual penalties when there is not a police officer present.
34:10 Speaker 04 Oh, like in Italy, you can't.
34:11 Speaker 03 Which is true, but it's been a problem with speed cameras generally where some courts have ruled against them. Having lower penalties changes some of that and makes it more.
34:21 Speaker 04 Sure, but then doesn't act as a deterrent, which doesn't accomplish the goal.
34:23 Speaker 03 It is a little bit of a deterrent, hopefully, because speeding can get out of hand. I haven't seen a lot of people speeding.
34:32 Speaker 02 Scottsdale has these all over the place, not quite this technology. I was in my father-in-law's old Tahoe on old tires. Saw the red light camera, and if you speed up, it gets you for speeding. So you can't just like power through the yellow. So I stand on the brakes, light up all four tires. A pillow of smoke comes over me and the lady next to me just looks at me like this, but it's like, I've literally gotten a ticket at this light before, I'm not doing it again, so.
34:56 Speaker 04 That's definitely safer. Definitely safer. Mission accomplished.
35:00 Speaker 03 That sounds like a Nick problem, for being honest.
35:02 Speaker 02 It was actually really fun.
35:05 Speaker 03 Be careful if you're going more than ten miles over the speed limit on I-25 north of Denver.
35:08 Speaker 04 I just hope it doesn't spread like a carnivorous disease.
35:13 Speaker 03 Okay, and I don't like it. I also like making up some time on the high, long, boring, flat highway stretches.
35:19 Speaker 04 Of which most of Colorado is.
35:21 Speaker 03 But I also do appreciate the need for some enforcement.
35:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, speaking of something, let's talk about something cool. So Lewis Hamilton recently for the Japanese Grand Prix went out one night with Kim Kardashian, who he's dating, in an F-40. Had cameras strapped to it and drove it around like crazy. He did like donuts, he was power sliding the car, he was just like having a great time. And I think it further underscores like, Lewis might be one of the coolest people.
35:47 Speaker 02 He's so cool.
35:48 Speaker 04 Like, not only do I respect Lewis for his unbelievable achievements in Formula One, he is one of the great sportsmen of the world currently living. But then he goes out and does this in an F40. I mean, you think about like, a lot of the, you know, drivers have to be seen driving the cars the manufacturer. Lewis isn't out just driving the new stuff. He's driving the cool stuff.
36:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
36:06 Speaker 04 And he clearly loves the F40 and like, that's one of his passions. He's out driving it with Kim Kardashian. I mean, that's, that's a wild statement. He's doing what Formula One drivers should be doing, which is when they're not on track, they're just going out and doing insane stuff. And I think it's cool.
36:18 Speaker 02 Even the edit was cool. Like, they found a way to make it like vintage and like, just like, almost like a street racing vibe to it.
36:25 Speaker 04 Totally. And like, I, I think that like, obviously a lot of it was planned and stuff like that, but I still think it's really cool. Like, I mean, Lewis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian in an F40. Come on.
36:35 Speaker 02 That's cool.
36:36 Speaker 04 Yeah. It's not really much of a news story. I just think, like, if you haven't watched the video, like, go out and find it, like, on Instagram where it was, it was really awesome. Yeah. And F40, yeah.
36:46 Speaker 02 Kardashians also come up a lot on this podcast and like, always in a positive sentiment. It's very strange, but like, they know cars. It's like so weird.
36:55 Speaker 04 I would like to, I would imagine someone advises them on the car decisions they should make. I'd love to know who that is.
37:00 Speaker 02 Kaitlyn and Lord Disick have been into cars forever. Like, they're, they've, there's been gearheads in that family before they were famous.
37:08 Speaker 04 They've got taste.
37:09 Speaker 02 But, yeah.
37:10 Speaker 04 Got a lot of taste. But anyway, that brings us to the end of the news. It's time to talk about cars. Time to talk about cars.
37:16 Speaker 02 We've got good stuff today.
37:17 Speaker 03 All right, Nick, start us off.
37:19 Speaker 02 You want me to start? It's hard to even say who should start here.
37:21 Speaker 03 Oh, no, it's you. It's definitely you.
37:23 Speaker 04 It's always Nick.
37:24 Speaker 02 Should I start with an apology? I feel like.
37:26 Speaker 03 To who?
37:28 Speaker 02 To my wife.
37:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, probably.
37:31 Speaker 02 So, I had a friend DM me saying, Nick, there is a convertible L405 Range Rover at a Manheim auction in Pennsylvania. This has you written all over it. And then I DM my other buddy Troy, who's like sort of the kingpin of this Rover roulette group I'm in. And he helps people, he has a dealer's license, buy these cars. And I said, Troy, do not tell a single soul about this. I want to pursue this. Will you help me? And he said, this is the worst idea I've ever heard. I'm in. And so sure enough, we, we get online and we bid on it at the Manheim Dealer Auction.
38:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
38:05 Speaker 02 And win it. It, it went for, like, it only got 30,000 miles. Like, it went for maybe a small premium over what I think the L405 is worth with that mileage.
38:14 Speaker 03 20, 30, 40 grand premium, yeah.
38:17 Speaker 02 Um, no.
38:17 Speaker 03 No.
38:18 Speaker 02 Barely win for forty. But I now own a convertible Range Rover. It's done by Newport Convertible Engineering, who is sort of the known go-to one. I now have my, my second or third converted car. The other two were transmission converted. This one's convertible.
38:31 Speaker 03 Oh, interesting.
38:32 Speaker 04 Oh, I see.
38:33 Speaker 02 And it is by far the most unhinged Range Rover I've ever seen.
38:37 Speaker 03 I, I picked it up for you because you were out of town. Uh, so I, I took delivery of it for you. It's so cool.
38:42 Speaker 02 I've been so nervous because it was sold by just like a Chevy dealer.
38:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was weird.
38:46 Speaker 02 Like, like two hours outside of Philly.
38:48 Speaker 03 It was also billed as one of two, built for the queen.
38:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
38:51 Speaker 03 Which, uh, there was one built for the queen. It ain't that one.
38:55 Speaker 02 It ain't that one. It's, it's pretty different. And also Newport Convertible Engineering has at least four L405s on their website that they've done. So like, those claims were just total used car dealer BS, but it, I've never seen another one in person.
39:08 Speaker 03 No, and it's cool. We all want convert. We live in Southern California. You want a convertible in life. I, I have a target. I had a convertible 500. You have your convertible SLR.
39:17 Speaker 02 And I want, I want to take my family places. Like I want to beach cruiser.
39:20 Speaker 03 Look at how the seatbelts are mounted in the rear and maybe come to your own.
39:24 Speaker 02 It's, it's got, it's got some weird stuff to it, but I'm like taking this to Car Week this year and we're all going around.
39:30 Speaker 03 So cool.
39:30 Speaker 02 I can't wait. Waving and car spotting and having so much fun. I'm taking it off-roading. Like it's, it's so cool.
39:36 Speaker 03 The, the design works as a convertible because like, it's like, it has a, like a hip line that kind of.
39:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:41 Speaker 03 It truly works.
39:42 Speaker 02 It works great as long as the top is down.
39:44 Speaker 03 The top is down.
39:44 Speaker 02 You put that top up, it's, it's on level with Doug's G-Wagon in terms of words.
39:48 Speaker 04 It's worse, which is hard.
39:50 Speaker 03 The top up, because the top really goes up like right behind the rear seats, not.
39:55 Speaker 04 Right. So there's like a shelf.
39:56 Speaker 03 There's a shelf.
39:57 Speaker 04 So. It looks like a hearse.
39:59 Speaker 03 I assume you have a video out about this.
40:01 Speaker 02 Uh, yeah, the video is, is dropped by the time this podcast comes out of us bidding on it, winning it, your initial reactions.
40:07 Speaker 03 What were their reactions?
40:08 Speaker 02 As well as the other. So I, I tried to buy a P38 convertible back in the day. It went for like a hundred thirty grand. I tried to buy an RC convertible, went for like one fifty. So.
40:16 Speaker 03 This is a deal.
40:17 Speaker 02 It's a deal. Yes. I couldn't, I could not, but I still have the E55 in Atlanta, which I'm going to pick up next week. I'm going to go to DC Motorworks' fourth anniversary party. At their shop, do a final drive in inspection and then ship it back. Do some other stuff while I'm out there in Atlanta, but I basically at one point last week had two cars that I'd bought and never seen or driven. I still haven't driven it.
40:38 Speaker 03 By one point last week, you mean till literally an hour ago, you had two cars that you bought.
40:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, they hadn't seen them. Yeah. So.
40:44 Speaker 04 And you want to look down the arrow of that camera and apologize to your wife?
40:47 Speaker 02 I I've apologized so many times. She is a saint for putting up with me.
40:52 Speaker 04 She is.
40:53 Speaker 03 Um, I'm told she li- listens to the podcast when you're on.
40:56 Speaker 02 She she listens.
40:57 Speaker 03 Now now's your shot to really.
40:59 Speaker 02 She does. It brings us together. Um, but she she's she's my biggest fan. I love her to death. Um, I do have to figure out what car I'm selling eventually.
41:09 Speaker 03 Sell multiple.
41:09 Speaker 02 She's encouraging me to hang on to all of them and just like get some seat time. I know. I'm surprised.
41:15 Speaker 03 Have you considered selling now that you have a five seat Range Rover? You don't need your Cayenne.
41:20 Speaker 02 I don't. Well, I don't think I need two Range Rovers.
41:22 Speaker 03 I don't think you need a Cayenne.
41:24 Speaker 04 It is one car that's gonna work.
41:26 Speaker 03 Is that your newest car now?
41:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's newest newest car, yeah.
41:29 Speaker 03 Lo- lowest mileage.
41:30 Speaker 02 Thirty eight thousand miles.
41:31 Speaker 03 Yeah. I think you have your solution.
41:34 Speaker 02 Well, we'll we'll see.
41:35 Speaker 04 There's, uh, his wife has not yet seen this car. There's no way she must be seeing this idiot's car.
41:40 Speaker 03 So cool.
41:41 Speaker 04 Oh, imagine the roof not working.
41:44 Speaker 03 Oh, and it won't.
41:44 Speaker 04 Getting stuck halfway to home.
41:46 Speaker 03 It's a power roof, by the way.
41:47 Speaker 02 You know, it it.
41:47 Speaker 03 We we weren't sure going into it, but it is power.
41:50 Speaker 04 But on its own.
41:51 Speaker 03 Also, it's really quick. It goes up and down quickly.
41:53 Speaker 02 I saw, yeah, from your video, it looked pretty good. So I I don't know what I'm doing long term. I I couldn't say no to it.
41:58 Speaker 03 Boy, isn't that true.
41:59 Speaker 02 I I do think someone eventually, like it belongs on Coronado, Nantucket, somewhere, you know, like Galveston. I don't know.
42:06 Speaker 03 Coastal island and or not.
42:07 Speaker 02 Somewhere where you have a vacation home and you want to take your kids out to like the local.
42:11 Speaker 03 Or it belongs in your driveway.
42:14 Speaker 02 It it will belong there for a while, but eventually we'll we'll probably.
42:17 Speaker 04 Yeah. P S H and Encinitas.
42:19 Speaker 03 Will it fit your garage?
42:21 Speaker 02 I don't know.
42:22 Speaker 03 In theory.
42:23 Speaker 04 I don't know. God, you have to love.
42:25 Speaker 03 You think I've done?
42:25 Speaker 04 You gotta respect that.
42:26 Speaker 03 Any due diligence?
42:27 Speaker 04 Filippo and his wife carefully measured and like moved stuff around the garage to make sure the 911 wouldn't have anything around it that'd be.
42:33 Speaker 03 The reason.
42:33 Speaker 04 Oh, Nick's like, I don't know.
42:34 Speaker 03 That is mostly my wonderful wife, not me.
42:37 Speaker 02 The reason it's called Rover Roulette is you just, you do it and then you ask that it's, it's like, it could go bad, it could go great, you never know.
42:44 Speaker 04 You didn't need to explain, we understood.
42:47 Speaker 03 That it's one out of six times it goes poorly, like, because like, so you got some more Range Rovers to buy.
42:52 Speaker 02 I mean, with the P38, it's like eight out of nine times it goes poorly.
42:55 Speaker 03 Sure, yeah.
42:56 Speaker 02 With an L405, I think it's more like 50/50. Sam did all the due diligence on an L45 and was like, don't buy these, they're unreliable. I buy it, and I'm like, Sam, can you tell me more about the L405, please?
43:07 Speaker 04 Oh my God, Nick, it's such a problem.
43:10 Speaker 02 He agreed at 38,000 miles, it's probably not imminent.
43:14 Speaker 03 Congratulations.
43:15 Speaker 02 Thank you.
43:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, question mark was correct.
43:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:19 Speaker 03 Okay.
43:19 Speaker 02 Um, I don't know where to go from there.
43:22 Speaker 04 Can you hit us with some rational?
43:23 Speaker 03 I, I, I sure cannot.
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44:42 Speaker 03 Over the weekend, I was in Arizona for my nephew's one year birthday. And for Easter. And while there, my late father-in-law and my mother-in-law had bought a Fox Body Mustang convertible. A 1991 5.0 convertible.
44:56 Speaker 04 Gagety gagety.
44:57 Speaker 03 Two, three years ago now.
45:00 Speaker 03 Craig, my late father-in-law, was a mechanic, a special Ford mechanic. So he did a bunch of upgrades. He wanted to really make it quite a high-performance Fox Body. Which means it performs about as well as.
45:10 Speaker 04 Yeah. Run from 200 horsepower, 223.
45:14 Speaker 03 But also they were going to do a lot of cosmetic work. It had gone to a painter who then started doing math. It was a whole problem. They had to rescue it in the middle of the night from his backyard. None of this is a joke. They truly went in the middle of the night with a trailer and took it back. But now it's getting actually painted and finished professionally by a real shop. So we had to move it from the driveway where it had sat about 50 miles to the shop.
45:36 Speaker 04 Hold on a minute. So what's the plan with this thing?
45:39 Speaker 03 To finish the project. To finish the project. We'd like to, it runs great now. My brother-in-law and I replaced the starter while we were there, which was a surprise. On a Friday afternoon when we had other things to do.
45:50 Speaker 04 You got the cold ones?
45:51 Speaker 03 No, sadly. I know, it was really a mistake. And then it's going to get painted like a purple color. Which will be cool. Body kit needs to be put on it for, it's a whole thing. But I spent a lot of my weekend fixing a Fox Body Mustang. Loading it kind of sketchily onto a trailer. Driving it across town. But now it is in progress. It is getting worked on. It's going to get put back together. And it's going to be very exciting. So we'll have a running Fox Body Mustang in my life.
46:22 Speaker 04 Who are you?
46:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:24 Speaker 04 You have a convertible, wide-body, purple, modded Fox Body.
46:28 Speaker 03 I didn't say wide-body. The body kit, like bumpers, not, not.
46:32 Speaker 04 Oh, I was picturing like.
46:33 Speaker 03 No, no, no, I'm not Stratton.
46:35 Speaker 02 Make it like a Celine rap?
46:37 Speaker 03 It'd be cool.
46:37 Speaker 04 That would be cool. Purple.
46:39 Speaker 03 But I am excited because it does.
46:42 Speaker 04 Yes.
46:43 Speaker 02 When you sent that picture to our Cars and Buds text group.
46:46 Speaker 03 Yep.
46:47 Speaker 02 I thought that is a parts car.
46:49 Speaker 03 Yep.
46:50 Speaker 02 Like it, it does not, you can get a far nicer Fox Body Mustang anywhere. Like it just literally anyone.
46:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:57 Speaker 04 Felipe's just sending these pictures in his, um, his brother in law's underneath the car.
47:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:02 Speaker 04 I'm like, what are you contributing?
47:04 Speaker 03 I want to be clear, uh, it was mostly Jacob's doing.
47:07 Speaker 04 Yeah.
47:07 Speaker 03 I started, I did legitimately help a fair amount, but mostly I sat there and replied to slacks.
47:12 Speaker 04 That's, yeah.
47:13 Speaker 03 It was Friday on a workday. What are you gonna do?
47:14 Speaker 04 Holiday weekend for Felipe.
47:16 Speaker 03 Uh, but I, I'm excited that whenever I go back to my mother in law's house after we spend a lot, she spends a lot of money getting this back together. Money that could certainly buy multiple Fox Body Mustangs.
47:25 Speaker 04 This is gonna be on the site at some point.
47:26 Speaker 03 No, no, no, she's keeping it forever. This is a sentimental.
47:30 Speaker 02 With all due respect.
47:31 Speaker 03 It's gonna be at our house. I'm gonna, every time I go back to, to Northern Arizona, I'm gonna be driving around in a Fox Body.
47:36 Speaker 04 Living the, the dream.
47:37 Speaker 03 In a, in a quite heavily modified Fox Body.
47:40 Speaker 02 With all due respect to your father in law.
47:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:42 Speaker 02 When I die, I hope that my family doesn't feel compelled to finish all my project cars to honor me. Cause they're gonna have their hands full.
47:49 Speaker 03 There was some trade offs of which projects were getting finished.
47:52 Speaker 02 How many more were there?
47:53 Speaker 03 I want to be clear, uh, because it matters.
47:56 Speaker 02 What else we got in the back warehouse here?
47:57 Speaker 03 Including my, my wife, if she's listening, he was quite good at finishing projects. He then, just his health declined really quickly.
48:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, understandable.
48:03 Speaker 03 It became hard to finish some of them. Um, there is a, a sixty seven Mustang that doesn't have an interior engine. Does it, does it?
48:10 Speaker 02 I might recommend that over a Fox Body, just.
48:13 Speaker 03 The Fox Body was.
48:14 Speaker 02 From a collectability standpoint?
48:15 Speaker 03 I'm not a sentimental person, but other people in my life are, and you can't, can't, can't fight sentimentality. Uh, there is a, um, uh, a checker aero bus that was my mother in law's grandfather or father's car. That, where she was growing up, they rode in a checker aero bus, which was like a six door.
48:35 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
48:36 Speaker 03 Three or four row, uh, checker. Um, there's an RV, there's, there's some other stuff, but we're clearing out. The, uh, Ford F two fifty that my wife and I inherited is in front of our house right now. It got delivered. We gotta do some things, but it's there. It's running great. Uh, shout out to Dave at Iconic Automotive.
48:52 Speaker 04 It looks pretty cool.
48:52 Speaker 03 It looks so cool.
48:53 Speaker 04 It's pretty legit, I have to say.
48:55 Speaker 02 I need to see a burnout in it soon. Before you replace the tires.
48:58 Speaker 04 I'll be too clear. I don't know it has the power to do that. It may be, maybe one rotation.
49:02 Speaker 03 It's, it's, it's like a six point four liter VA with actual power.
49:05 Speaker 04 What, like a hundred?
49:05 Speaker 03 No, it's three hundred something. It was, it, it, it's pre. US.
49:10 Speaker 04 Oh, right, because it's a seventy.
49:11 Speaker 03 It's seventy three.
49:13 Speaker 04 Thirty, okay.
49:13 Speaker 02 Remember that, you know, the multiple adventure tour?
49:17 Speaker 03 I sure.
49:17 Speaker 02 This is related, but so we wanted to do burnouts when we did the quarter mile strip. Producer Sean got a bunch of baby oil for that. And then he gave it to me in a, a plastic bag. And the, the track didn't let us put down the baby oil to try to make the burnout.
49:33 Speaker 03 So many good.
49:34 Speaker 02 So then we go to the hotel and I check in with like seven or eight big things of baby oil. And this is like right after the whole incident with Pete Eddy. And I forgot and I left them behind. So some poor house cleaner just saw this empty room that one, a guy was in for one night. It left seven, eight bottles of baby oil. And I wanted to be like, it's for drag racing. It's not for what you think it is.
49:55 Speaker 04 And they assumed that was some sort of euphemism.
49:58 Speaker 02 So if we want to do a burnout, we need to go find some baby oil.
50:01 Speaker 03 I actually think that given that the tires are 20 years old.
50:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:04 Speaker 03 We're, we're good.
50:05 Speaker 02 If my father in law's Tahoe can, can peel all four, we're good.
50:07 Speaker 03 I, I haven't actually driven the, the truck yet. It is my, my wife's truck, not mine. She drove it back when we picked it up from the transporter.
50:14 Speaker 04 I have a great picture of you guys together.
50:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, we saw Cannon.
50:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
50:16 Speaker 03 Um, but this weekend was all about American cars.
50:21 Speaker 04 You know what? And I'm, I'm going to add to it. It's not an American car.
50:24 Speaker 03 That's right, but.
50:25 Speaker 04 I, I have an observation. So I recently went back to Ohio to visit my, my grandfather. My grandfather's not well. He's nearing the end of his life, but he has had in his life, it was his father's before his. And he's had it since he was, I think about 14 or 15. And he's now 97. He's had a 1931 Indian 101B Scout, which is regarded by most pre-war motorcycle people and most motorcycle people in general. It's one of the greatest bikes ever made. And my cousin, Matt, finished a full mechanical restoration of the bike. So, and I mean, it's, and it's not easy. Working on pre-war stuff is very difficult. He's had to learn a lot. I'm really proud of the work he's done with it. My grandfather has always said, uh, he's, he's always said, anybody can ride that thing. And, um, and so.
51:08 Speaker 04 One day, we all got, we all were able to get together to spend some time with him, which was great. And we all got to ride the bike, including myself. Now, I've never ridden a motorcycle of any kind.
51:17 Speaker 03 You've never ridden a motorcycle, period?
51:18 Speaker 04 No, never, never, never ridden one before. But I got to ride.
51:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:22 Speaker 04 The Indian, which was so cool and so interesting. So like, I love pre-war cars. And the bike, I was like so in love with this motorcycle. It was easier, once you get it moving, which does take, so when you start the thing.
51:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:38 Speaker 04 You have to go full throttle on the left handlebar and full, um, you can adjust the timing. So you have to do that all the way down as well. The kick, when you go to kick it, you have to push down on it until you find compression, then come up and then kick it to start it.
51:52 Speaker 03 Wow.
51:53 Speaker 04 And then turn the, the handlebar, turn the handles back really quickly so it doesn't, you know, cause you're at full, wow, I mean, it's very loud. Um, but I was just like, I was in heaven with it. There's my cousin running along telling me that it's like, he's worrying me. It's like, you know, when you put it in neutral, cause it goes first, neutral, second, third. Just what I did right there. He was like, just make sure you don't go all the way into, into second gear or whatever, you know? But I also slowed down a little bit so that like, the brakes are not great. They're cable driven.
52:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:22 Speaker 04 So it's, you, you, they don't, doesn't stop like a modern motorcycle at all. Um, but I got to ride it. My family got to ride it. My, um, my grandfather was like the happiest. So it was a really wholesome moment. It was all together. But it made me realize also, there's not a lot of crossover between car people and motorcycle people. They are generally, you're interested in one or the other, seldom both, which I think is very interesting. But this bike, I just fell in love with the experience. And it's like, I don't know that I can own one. I, I don't know if I feel comfortable with how, this is what I would want and they're not exactly fast nor reliable. It's a total loss oiling system. So it just comes out on the ground.
52:55 Speaker 03 Wow.
52:55 Speaker 04 It's not exactly environmentally friendly.
52:57 Speaker 03 That's awesome.
52:58 Speaker 04 But the experience of using something that all like, I, I've really fallen in love with older cars recently and older objects in general just make you use your brain in a completely different way. And like being a car guy, having, I mean, still the foot operated clutch that I had to work and like all this stuff. And then you're balancing it as well. Like, I totally get the appeal.
53:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:14 Speaker 04 And I love it. I'm happy we all have it in our, our life and my cousin will keep it. We'll keep it in the family forever, but it was just a cool experience I wanted to share with people. I I understand why people love motorcycles. I think if you you can get out and ride one, it's like I can see the appeal. The freedom is just amazing, so.
53:29 Speaker 03 Motorcycles are incredibly fun. I'm not like a performance bike person, but going for rides is fun. And that's special. And it's such an incredible way to get into like mechanical, engine driven.
53:40 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
53:41 Speaker 03 Things, right? They're they're a lot in general cheaper than than cars, easier to work on than cars, easier to maintain than cars. Like if you're into that, it's such a good entry point.
53:49 Speaker 04 And you know that, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a much, it's an approachable entry point into mechanical things. Mechanical like modes of transportation.
53:56 Speaker 03 You gonna get a motorcycle? You gonna get a bike?
53:57 Speaker 04 I love that thing. My cousin sent me one that's for sale right now, another thirty one. And I was like, ah, this is kind of a feeling. But yeah, they're cool. And you just feel like so cool, like it was a very masculine feeling thing. Um, but yeah, I really, I really loved it. And it's just like, it was, it's a fun story. I'm glad my grandfather got to witness to do that.
54:16 Speaker 03 I could picture you on a Harley.
54:18 Speaker 04 I'm, I think I'm an Indian guy.
54:19 Speaker 03 Like more modern, but sure, an Indian, for sure.
54:21 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think that's more the brand I I love just because of of that and that my family tied to it.
54:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
54:27 Speaker 04 I just think it's a cool piece of Americana.
54:29 Speaker 03 Modern Indians are great, too.
54:30 Speaker 04 Yeah, Husqvarna based, but you know, I still are pretty cool. So, I don't know. But yeah, that was my, so not a car piece of news at all, but nonetheless.
54:38 Speaker 02 Deep canon that the first motorcycle you ride is incredibly special and rare one, yes, yup.
54:43 Speaker 04 Yeah, exactly. Well, you just start with.
54:46 Speaker 02 Well, the R eight I've driven is a GT.
54:50 Speaker 04 Well, only driven V, I'd only driven V tens and that was true.
54:53 Speaker 02 I drove a Mercy once. It was an SV, one of four, but you know.
54:57 Speaker 04 That's true. I've driven the SV and the LP six fifty in your car.
55:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, the six fifty. That's a deep cut.
55:02 Speaker 04 Not the six forty, the six fifty, for those who know. All right, enough of our news.
55:06 Speaker 03 It's time to talk about the market report. And the market report this week is brought to you, to you all, by Velocity Invitational.
55:12 Speaker 04 An actual.
55:13 Speaker 03 An actual sponsor this time. Uh, we we partnered with the Velocity Invitational folks to run some really great auctions while we're there. So you'll, if you come to the Velocity Invitational, Matt, you will see literally me, a bunch of people from our team and a bunch of really cool cars that will be auctioned that day and will be. Either that day, but Velocity Invitational in general is one of North America's premier car culture events. Hundreds of the world's greatest cars on the track and in the paddock, some really cool people coming, so come check it out. If you want to come, you can get a 10% discount by using the code VIZ when you buy your ticket.
55:44 Speaker 02 You're gonna be there?
55:45 Speaker 03 I will be there.
55:45 Speaker 02 Literally you?
55:46 Speaker 03 Literally me.
55:47 Speaker 02 Literally?
55:48 Speaker 03 Literally.
55:48 Speaker 02 Wow, that's worth the 10% off.
55:51 Speaker 03 Before we dive into the market report, I want to mention a couple of other places where we at Cars and Bits will be. There's a cruise in at the Peterson Automotive Museum on the 12th, that's this Sunday from 9 to noon. Jeff Dunham will be there, fun fact. Admission is free, but you do take it if you want to show your car. And then at the Long Beach Grand Prix the following weekend, we're partnering with Avance for the Avance Pit Stop from 6 to 9 p.m. right after the Long Beach Grand Prix.
56:16 Speaker 02 Will you be there?
56:16 Speaker 03 I will also be there.
56:17 Speaker 02 Literally?
56:17 Speaker 03 Literally.
56:18 Speaker 02 Alright, yeah.
56:19 Speaker 04 Now that one he's metaphorically gonna be there.
56:21 Speaker 03 So check out our socials and our Cars and Bits community for a chance to apply for entrance to that event. Come hang out.
56:30 Speaker 02 And I'll be at the Rancho Santa Fe Cars and Coffee on Saturday.
56:33 Speaker 03 We don't talk about the Cars and Coffee.
56:34 Speaker 02 Not as official.
56:36 Speaker 03 No, no, we just don't talk about it. It's a secret.
56:38 Speaker 02 Oh yeah, it is. It used to be called the secret. Secret Car.
56:41 Speaker 04 That was in that inner period where they had to hide because the city.
56:45 Speaker 02 It is the best.
56:46 Speaker 03 Alright, but let's talk about actual car market. Can we start with the Cayenne GTS?
56:51 Speaker 04 Oh yes, so we sold, I'll come up pretty quickly, so we sold this 09 Cayenne GTS. For those of you who are unfamiliar, this generation Cayenne GTS was available with a manual and this is the one. 34,000 miles, 6B manual, finished in GTS red, which is the color. You were saying there's some ownership thing behind this?
57:10 Speaker 03 I want to give a shout out to David, Motorcar is the Main Line, he was the seller here, but the owner of the vehicle reached out to us was an older lady whose husband had passed, who had this car as his baby.
57:19 Speaker 04 Great taste.
57:20 Speaker 03 And we connected them and David did a phenomenal job of presenting the car, getting it sold for what is, at least based on our research, a modern record for it. There's a chance, Doug and I went back and forth about this a lot, he was being very pedantic. There's a chance that when new, a Cayenne GTS was more, could be optioned to more than 97,500, but otherwise, to our knowledge, this is a record price.
57:44 Speaker 04 Not since the recession has one trade, when it was new. So to be clear, it sold for $97,500, which is. A lot of money. I was the next most expensive one.
57:55 Speaker 03 Oh, a first gen? I don't, nowhere close.
57:59 Speaker 04 Nowhere close to that. I mean, it was, I think, yeah, I mean, we've sold a couple of red ones. The next nearest one was thirty two thousand. Now, the mileage difference is the big, big thing there.
58:07 Speaker 03 Two five.
58:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, so like, oh yeah, thirty eight two five. So like.
58:11 Speaker 03 The mileage was the thing. Like, if you want a manual Cayenne GTS, which first gen, uh, was, the first gen Cayenne was only GTS to be available, the only V8 Cayenne with a manual.
58:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
58:23 Speaker 03 This is the one you want. It's the nicest one in the world. Sure.
58:25 Speaker 02 Manual Cayennes in general. I mean, you get sold a bunch of those jet green ones.
58:29 Speaker 03 Yep.
58:29 Speaker 02 That is the next model, not to be called the nine five A, to be called the nine two A, for all the commenters that get upset about things like that. Your Porsche people. But nonetheless, that, that is pretty, pretty wild.
58:40 Speaker 04 Strong result, but I mean, it is, it is yet another case of find another one. This one was incredibly well represented by a great seller. It was just the, the mileage, the, the transmission, and you just not, they just don't come up.
58:53 Speaker 03 And the nice one never comes. They sell and they sell to enthusiasts buying to enthusiasts at this point, but this is a really low mile.
59:01 Speaker 02 You gotta wonder if there will become a market for manual swaps, right? The Delta, so you could buy a low mile Cayenne GTS for like thirty.
59:09 Speaker 03 Here's the thing.
59:10 Speaker 04 I don't think so.
59:11 Speaker 02 I don't think so.
59:12 Speaker 04 I'll tell you why. They're not that great to drive anyway. It's like, it's the rarity from the fact it was built from the factory this way. It's like, it's not, it's cool, it's a novelty. It doesn't not, I don't think it improves the experience even remotely.
59:23 Speaker 03 I think it does, because a manual.
59:24 Speaker 04 I don't think it does. But I think that it like, but I get why, like, so I don't think that like, this isn't like the Mercy, where it dramatically makes it better.
59:33 Speaker 02 So there's a, this generation Nordic Gold one that I see around all the time in Del Mar, chick driven.
59:39 Speaker 03 Oh.
59:40 Speaker 02 And you gotta wonder like, I'm sorry, I mean rugged mother.
59:46 Speaker 02 And you gotta wonder, could she stick swap that and sell it for a hundred K? I mean, probably.
59:50 Speaker 03 It's interesting, right? So E4673 is what comes to mind because those were available as a stick, common as a stick. But you can, people do stick swap them. And you get back the price of the swap.
59:59 Speaker 04 There's controversy in the E46 community about that.
1:00:02 Speaker 02 In every, dude, it doesn't matter what car it is, the conversion people are crazy. And I say that with love, but like they're all, they all hate each other and talk crap on each other and like, it's a whole thing.
1:00:14 Speaker 04 Nordic is calling them crazy.
1:00:16 Speaker 03 That's right. Nordic Gold would sell well.
1:00:18 Speaker 04 A Nordic Gold manual.
1:00:19 Speaker 03 Maybe that, you go up to them, offer the converter for them. Good luck finding the manual.
1:00:24 Speaker 02 I'll, I'll, I'll leave a note and let you know how it goes, but I can't, I don't, I'm, no more cars.
1:00:28 Speaker 04 Dear rugged mother.
1:00:29 Speaker 02 I can't, I have no more left.
1:00:30 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:00:31 Speaker 03 No more cars.
1:00:32 Speaker 04 All right, we'll put one other car.
1:00:33 Speaker 03 Can we talk about, uh, all right, last week, I'm going to go back to my, my normal BS here. Last week on Cars and Friends, on the Cars and Bitch channel, we talked about cars that we felt like we're going to appreciate.
1:00:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:00:44 Speaker 03 Appreciating. That came out this week on, on Monday. There, there were two that I pointed out as I think they're, they're going up. One was the GT350. Can you pull it up real quick?
1:00:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:00:54 Speaker 03 Uh, we sold that very GT350 for $64,500, which this was a low mile, good color, good spec one.
1:01:01 Speaker 04 What was sticker on it?
1:01:02 Speaker 03 64.5 is a strong result and notably up from some other, uh, results. It sold for above sticker.
1:01:09 Speaker 04 Now granted, it was adjusted for inflation, but even so, like that's crazy.
1:01:13 Speaker 03 It, these have retained their value and they truly are ticking back up. These, the nice ones like this, we sold, if you look back at our results in the fifties, uh, pretty consistently. And now somehow they're back above 60, which is impressive. They are indeed, I think, going up. And the same is true for the 997. We sold 997 dot one, uh, earlier this week or last week.
1:01:36 Speaker 03 For, maybe it wasn't a dot one.
1:01:39 Speaker 04 It wasn't, it was a dot.
1:01:40 Speaker 03 It was a dot two. Uh, there you go. Uh, for a, a, a 997 dot one Carrera S with a manual, 20,000 miles for 74, which feels like strong money. I took a look back at our results from 2023, 2024, and even to 2025, and this eclipses most similar comps. These are also truly ticking up. I say this both to validate what I said, uh, to drive people to that video, cause it's a good video. A little, little cross marketing there.
1:02:05 Speaker 04 Nice, nice.
1:02:06 Speaker 03 And because I think that both of these are truly interesting market results, right? They, they are proving out that GT350s and 997s are up and you should be minding that if it's a car you want to buy.
1:02:17 Speaker 04 Sure.
1:02:17 Speaker 02 You know what else is going up? SLRs, L405 cabs, E55 stick swaps.
1:02:22 Speaker 04 39 M5.
1:02:23 Speaker 02 Uh, 2014 Ford Focus SC with a titanium package.
1:02:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, just, just totally.
1:02:29 Speaker 04 You're gonna have a, you're gonna have a hoovy level sell off.
1:02:33 Speaker 03 How confident are you that it's SC with the titanium pack?
1:02:35 Speaker 02 No, I'm not. It's a black pack.
1:02:36 Speaker 03 Cause the titanium was the term above SC.
1:02:38 Speaker 02 I misspoke. You're correct.
1:02:40 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:02:40 Speaker 02 Fellow 2014 Ford Focus enthusiast, Filippo over here.
1:02:43 Speaker 03 I own one.
1:02:44 Speaker 04 May I, may I bring up one more, one more Porsche to drive at home than we are a Porsche podcast? So we recently had, so in that same video Filippo's alluding to, I also talked about, this is one of the cars I think being undervalued in 1988 944 Turbo S. They built, uh, like a thousand of these cars, only about 500 in the United States. They're very rare and they only built for a single year. Well, what's interesting about this one is we've had it on the site once before, not that long ago. So it was here in 2025, it sold for 23,250, exact same car with much better pictures and better representation, sold for 31,250.
1:03:17 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:03:18 Speaker 04 It brings home the, my point. It's gonna go on my gravestone yet again. Take great pictures. Like representation of the car matters so much at an auction because you can't see the car in person. And this one was not perfect and the guy disclosed actually more than the previous owner about what was, uh, what the things that he found with it. He was more pedantic about like little flaws that it had, but because of his transparency and great representation, of course, sold for quite a bit more. Uh, and so all those things just go into making a great auction.
1:03:48 Speaker 03 Nor deserve to. Go ahead and drive home the point. Pull up your SL65.
1:03:52 Speaker 02 Oh, well.
1:03:53 Speaker 03 Great, great photos.
1:03:54 Speaker 02 Have we talked about that?
1:03:54 Speaker 03 We, we have, but.
1:03:55 Speaker 04 We have, but I mean, yeah, my SL65, it arrived with the owner in Dallas, so it is out of my li, it's gone. It's out, it's out in Dallas now. I hope to see the car again. It feels like it feels right. Is it Dallas car?
1:04:05 Speaker 03 It does.
1:04:05 Speaker 04 Doesn't it? Like the color combo, it's a little flashy. It's like, it kind of fits right in. But I mean, again, yeah, it's like, I, I did everything I could to like represent this car nicely and, uh, and ultimately it sold for.
1:04:17 Speaker 02 That, that picture of you caressing the license plate there, it's one of my favorite photos of you. It's up there.
1:04:23 Speaker 04 Well, it was dirty.
1:04:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:25 Speaker 04 The car was dirty. I want to make sure, I want to make sure that's, it had some carbon there, so I want to make sure.
1:04:29 Speaker 02 Wearing a hat, a Mercedes hat?
1:04:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:04:32 Speaker 02 You still got that?
1:04:33 Speaker 04 Oh yeah, I did keep the hat on a bunch, and a couple of other like, things my family got me related to Mercedes.
1:04:39 Speaker 02 Do you guys think, as, as auction experts here?
1:04:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:04:42 Speaker 02 Including your tchotchkes with the car, does that help?
1:04:44 Speaker 03 It depends on how cool the tchotchkes are.
1:04:46 Speaker 04 If they came with it, if they came, no, no, absolutely not. I don't want lice. Where you been? If, if they, are things like, that came with the car from the factory as peripherals, like, the Carrera G, no, it's not there, but the Carrera GT, for instance, like, they have little engines that came with them, like little models they had.
1:05:04 Speaker 02 What about Doug's chrome reflective heat jacket?
1:05:07 Speaker 04 I don't think that new, I mean, maybe, I don't think anybody, I don't think anybody wants that.
1:05:12 Speaker 03 I do think that other things that prove that you're an enthusiast do help. Like, the people that have like a prowler and a trailer, and then give you the prowler, hot wheels with a trailer, like, that's just...
1:05:22 Speaker 04 I don't think it makes a big difference, but it helps.
1:05:23 Speaker 03 It's like a nice little...
1:05:24 Speaker 04 I think, uh...
1:05:26 Speaker 02 So it's a way to signal that you're an enthusiast, less so than it actually improves the value.
1:05:30 Speaker 04 Bit of tangent, I know we have to get to questions, but I, so I was in Beverly Hills, or just LA in general, but I was in Beverly Hills specifically, and I was on rodeo drive, and I went to the Porsche Design, and I walked in and I asked them if they had any Carrera GT related stuff.
1:05:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:05:44 Speaker 04 And they were like, uh, let me check. They went back and checked, and said, we don't have any of that, but we do have some Carrera related stuff. And I'm like, oof.
1:05:50 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
1:05:50 Speaker 04 You don't understand. All right, never mind. See you later.
1:05:54 Speaker 03 Can I give one more market update?
1:05:57 Speaker 04 Absolutely, you can.
1:05:58 Speaker 03 All right. I sold my BBS LM wheels.
1:06:01 Speaker 02 Oh.
1:06:02 Speaker 03 They've, they've arrived to the new owners. Turns out BBS LMs are worth money.
1:06:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, oh yeah.
1:06:07 Speaker 03 It really just proved that I don't understand the modification industry at all. But they're, they're sold, the guy who bought them is phenomenal. He actually reached out to me when I first bought the car and talked about it, and then reached out again when I put him on for sale.
1:06:21 Speaker 02 You're gonna use the proceeds to refinish your OE wheels?
1:06:23 Speaker 03 I'm gonna use the proceeds to offset my cost of purchase for the car, yep.
1:06:28 Speaker 04 You're never gonna own this car, right?
1:06:30 Speaker 03 He's thrilled with them. I'm thrilled that he has them. He's putting in... Them on his 997 as well. It's exciting, but I don't understand that market in the least.
1:06:38 Speaker 02 Alums are legit, dude. You don't.
1:06:41 Speaker 03 They look great on the car. I love the OEs because I'm an OE.
1:06:43 Speaker 02 Between you telling everyone to slow down and obey traffic laws.
1:06:46 Speaker 03 I know, I'm not.
1:06:47 Speaker 02 Take off your wheels.
1:06:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:06:50 Speaker 04 Take off your wheels.
1:06:51 Speaker 03 Well, you can't speed without wheels.
1:06:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's true.
1:06:55 Speaker 04 Oh, man. Well, I'm glad that you're able to get rid of those and they went to a good home.
1:06:58 Speaker 03 They went to a great home and I'm incredibly excited.
1:07:02 Speaker 04 Well, I think that's the market report.
1:07:03 Speaker 03 That is a market report.
1:07:04 Speaker 04 Well, it's time to take some questions, though.
1:07:07 Speaker 02 All right.
1:07:07 Speaker 04 We have some.
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1:07:46 Speaker 02 I'll take it.
1:07:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's fair. If you have a question, you can ask it in the community post.
1:07:52 Speaker 02 How were the questions this week?
1:07:54 Speaker 03 Sean, our producer, reviewed them. So this selection is courtesy of him. Normally Doug goes through every single question and chooses.
1:08:00 Speaker 02 I didn't see them in the pod doc.
1:08:01 Speaker 03 I trusted Sean to do it today.
1:08:02 Speaker 02 I didn't. I didn't see them in advance.
1:08:04 Speaker 03 Because he added them minutes ago.
1:08:06 Speaker 02 All right, so we're gonna do it live. All right.
1:08:09 Speaker 03 Okay. If Nick.
1:08:12 Speaker 04 Who's this from?
1:08:13 Speaker 03 This is from Super M3 GTR 1721.
1:08:16 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:08:17 Speaker 03 Thank you for asking. If you had Middle East prince level money, which brand today that exists now, would you first approach to make a one off car? I added some things to this question.
1:08:28 Speaker 04 I mean, wouldn't you just go straight to the top? And it's like, I mean, I would go to Ferrari and ask them about ones. Now, let's be honest, most of the stuff they build is one off, kind of.
1:08:37 Speaker 03 You would go to Ferrari?
1:08:38 Speaker 04 I'd go to Ferrari. Something with a manual, V12 in a manual. I get a Daytona SP3 with a 6-speed.
1:08:46 Speaker 03 You know what they would say?
1:08:47 Speaker 04 How much?
1:08:47 Speaker 03 No.
1:08:48 Speaker 04 I'd say how much?
1:08:49 Speaker 03 No.
1:08:49 Speaker 04 I think if I think you gave them enough money, I I think they would.
1:08:54 Speaker 03 Only if they agreed to never have it be seen in public and never drive it and.
1:08:59 Speaker 04 Well, they don't have to find out.
1:09:02 Speaker 03 Uh, Nick, what's your?
1:09:02 Speaker 04 Like a one, I think a one-off Ferrari, though, that's like, that's pretty real. That's pretty serious.
1:09:07 Speaker 02 You got the, you get the Eric Clapton car?
1:09:10 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.
1:09:11 Speaker 02 I think I would have to go Lamborghini, since he already took Ferrari. I still want a Reventon, so I would say like, make me a new one, or make me a stick Aventador, something like that.
1:09:22 Speaker 04 Stick Aventador, interesting.
1:09:24 Speaker 02 It should be doable.
1:09:25 Speaker 04 But I wouldn't.
1:09:26 Speaker 02 No, not yet.
1:09:27 Speaker 03 Because I it wouldn't be like, they would have to find a manual that.
1:09:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, it still seems to me like it's very doable, but no one's done it yet.
1:09:32 Speaker 04 Or honestly, what the, uh, that one guy did with the, I know it was just a spec, but on his, um, uh, on his Chiron, the paid homage to the original Veyron.
1:09:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, that was really cool.
1:09:43 Speaker 04 That was pretty cool.
1:09:44 Speaker 02 A true Bugatti would be crazy to overlook. An EV110 SS revival.
1:09:48 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
1:09:50 Speaker 02 With like some level of reliability. Same with the XJ220, but again, like, with some level of modern refinement.
1:09:57 Speaker 03 V12 in it?
1:09:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, put the V12 in it.
1:09:59 Speaker 04 Jaguar is desperate enough for money.
1:10:01 Speaker 03 They might.
1:10:01 Speaker 04 If you brought them some components, they might put it together for you.
1:10:04 Speaker 02 The Project Zero Zero. Whatever they're naming it.
1:10:07 Speaker 03 Might be called the GT, apparently.
1:10:09 Speaker 04 Now, you're the most, I'm most curious what you're going to say about this.
1:10:13 Speaker 02 Prepare yourself for something contrarian right here, folks.
1:10:15 Speaker 04 I would go to Volvo and ask them to.
1:10:18 Speaker 03 Interesting.
1:10:19 Speaker 02 I would, I would just bring Saab back.
1:10:20 Speaker 04 Bring back the 850 flying.
1:10:22 Speaker 03 The, the answer that I would, that I was gonna give, which I'll give anyways, you know how Porsche has been doing their like, wish, like, there was, we saw that Cayenne that was re-engineered by Porsche. I would go to Fiat and say, hey, the multiple was pretty great. But I want it to be a little better. Can you go out, use the original design?
1:10:39 Speaker 02 Much effort.
1:10:39 Speaker 03 Just, just, just make it a little bit, a little bit nicer, a little bit, a little bit better.
1:10:43 Speaker 04 So, one-off Ferrari, converted manual Lamborghini of some kind.
1:10:49 Speaker 03 Better multiple.
1:10:50 Speaker 04 Better multiple.
1:10:51 Speaker 03 And honestly, we all chose Italian automakers. Just said something.
1:10:54 Speaker 04 That is interesting.
1:10:55 Speaker 02 Because there's a lot of room for improvement.
1:10:59 Speaker 04 They make the coolest stuff.
1:11:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11:01 Speaker 02 I I thought it was gonna say what brand would you bring back? Like you could go buy the defunct brand like a Jaguar.
1:11:07 Speaker 03 I would buy Saab.
1:11:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:08 Speaker 04 Duesenberg.
1:11:11 Speaker 03 I'd be clear, I don't think I have a way to make Saab make money, but I've tried.
1:11:14 Speaker 04 Neither did they in the end.
1:11:15 Speaker 03 So true. Um, all right. Next question is from Century Bug. What's your learning manual story?
1:11:23 Speaker 04 Ah.
1:11:23 Speaker 03 I I yours seem I vaguely know yours. I'm I you should answer. I want to know when Nick plans to learn how to drive a manual. That's the question for Nick. But Kevin, please go ahead.
1:11:31 Speaker 04 Plans to drive.
1:11:32 Speaker 03 Have you ever been in him with him in a car? But I'm having fun. I I sometimes dump the clutch intentionally.
1:11:38 Speaker 04 Oh, you.
1:11:38 Speaker 03 Sometimes he stalls while trying to. No, that never happened.
1:11:42 Speaker 04 That's well, okay.
1:11:43 Speaker 03 Never seen worse manual driving. All right, go ahead.
1:11:46 Speaker 04 Interesting. Um, I so I learned how to drive in an NC Miata. Uh, the hardtop, the folding hardtop one. My uncle had one. Uh, and took me to drive. I spent. We spent an afternoon driving that. I also we so we drove to the Fiat dealership. This is before the Abarth came out and I wanted to see if it was there. And they happen to have a 500 Prima Edizione.
1:12:05 Speaker 03 Nice.
1:12:06 Speaker 04 And they let me go drive that, which was also a manual. So I.
1:12:08 Speaker 03 It's a really good manual drive.
1:12:09 Speaker 04 It was. So I but I got to check off two manuals and, you know, I got to learn on Fiat. You know, the dealer demonstrator.
1:12:15 Speaker 03 The best way.
1:12:16 Speaker 04 Which was good. Only stalled it twice, I think. But that was how I learned how to do it. And then I didn't drive manual for like a year after that. And then I made sure, um, basically every car owned until the Mercedes are all manuals. My next car will be too. So that's how I learned. Uh, but yeah, NC Miata, a good car to learn on, very forgiving. Yeah, starts easily too when you stall it. So.
1:12:34 Speaker 03 Uh, good first cars. I remember the Fiat 500 factored into your life.
1:12:39 Speaker 04 It did. It did. I remember that car. Well, what about you? Where'd you learn?
1:12:42 Speaker 03 Uh, I learned a couple of places. Um, like at the same time, same time. One is my friend Tristan, his parents had a V70 manual. So a Volvo wagon that was a manual, which was available briefly. Uh, and a Golf, a Mark IV Golf manual. So I drove that Mark IV Golf roundabout. Uh, I think the first actual time was with, uh, my friend's dad, Pete. Shout out to Pete Niewald. Uh, they had a Mazda Protege 5 manual. And so we went out driving for a while.
1:13:08 Speaker 04 So you learned on kind of interesting cars?
1:13:10 Speaker 03 Yeah. Not valuable cars, but the good cars.
1:13:13 Speaker 04 Good. Okay. Where'd you learn?
1:13:15 Speaker 02 It was an early 90s, I want to say 91 Nissan Hardbody Pickup.
1:13:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:13:19 Speaker 02 My neighbor had it mostly for gardening, so it smelled like some combination of like fertilizer, manure.
1:13:25 Speaker 03 It's what you do in Ohio, in the Midwest generally. Yeah, no, it was like a truck that you only drive in the spring to garden.
1:13:30 Speaker 02 She still has it and was like texting me the other day because the exhaust rotted out and no one would repair it because the car's worth less than the piping to do this. And was like, can you please help me? And I'm like, I'm sentimentally attached to, but I learned to drive on that. I, no one ever taught me. She just like gave me the keys and was like,
1:13:47 Speaker 03 It's the best way.
1:13:48 Speaker 02 You want to learn manual, go for it. So I got pulled over very early on because I was blowing stop signs just in second because I didn't want to go down to first and we're stalling out. And so the cop let me off. He was very nice, kind of understood. And then I kept forgetting to take the parking brake off. And so when I returned to her, the parking brake was just decimated. I had to like go around with like a brick in the trunk and use it as a parking chalk. And then, you know, apologize and replace her parking brake for her.
1:14:15 Speaker 03 This is the most Nick story I might have, because I can picture you doing that today.
1:14:18 Speaker 02 Yeah. It has happened once or twice since, but.
1:14:22 Speaker 04 That's, that whole story is so you. That's perfect.
1:14:25 Speaker 02 The car's still out there. I actually was just the family friend we were just with like two weeks ago in Florida. So she's still got it.
1:14:32 Speaker 04 Very cool. All right, cool. Hit us with another question, Felipe.
1:14:35 Speaker 03 This is the question just for Doug and or Felipe, so I'm sorry. Neither of you can answer. If you were broke, what cheap daily would you get to drive around? And Nick, that being so broke that you can't afford the maintenance on a P38. The car may be free, but you still can't afford it.
1:14:50 Speaker 02 It isn't for everyone. I'll give you that.
1:14:53 Speaker 03 What you guys got? Honestly, I think that a lot of my actual, actual cars apply. I had a 2014 Ford Focus hatchback.
1:15:00 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:15:00 Speaker 03 With a stick. And those are, the only problem that those cars have really.
1:15:04 Speaker 02 Was the trans.
1:15:05 Speaker 03 Is the automatic transmission, the dual shift or whatever they call it. And so if you have a manual one, they're incredibly reliable, they're incredibly efficient, they're more comfortable than you'd expect. They're capable for doing long trips, they're pretty fun to drive, and I would 100% go back to one.
1:15:19 Speaker 04 So you're talking like five grand and below, basically.
1:15:21 Speaker 03 Sure. Yeah.
1:15:22 Speaker 04 In essence, what car would you buy for five grand and below?
1:15:24 Speaker 03 Buy some of that because they're also underappreciated. Like a lot of $5,000 cars, if you want an Accord or a Civic or whatever, you pay a large premium because those are known for being quite reliable. The Ford Focus of that generation doesn't have that reputation, but it's all because of a single point of failure that you can avoid. Not all, but it's largely for that.
1:15:41 Speaker 04 Um, I think in general, one thing I have learned, and we talked about this a couple of podcasts ago, is that a lot of like these survivors like Chrysler, like products that are like low mileage, like you can buy low mileage, they're not worth anything.
1:15:54 Speaker 03 They're not.
1:15:54 Speaker 04 Uh, and I think, and those are cool and interesting. Yeah, it doesn't, they don't have many miles on them. So how unreliable can they be?
1:16:02 Speaker 03 Uh, no comment.
1:16:04 Speaker 04 I, I think they're interesting. I mean, you fix them for not a whole lot of money.
1:16:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:16:08 Speaker 04 A lot of these cars. I don't really know what to search for to bring this up, which what example?
1:16:11 Speaker 03 I don't know if you're safe search, I'll tell you that. Actually, no, a Cayenne Turbo you can get for like 10, 15.
1:16:16 Speaker 04 Yeah, can you?
1:16:17 Speaker 02 Or in like an ML 55, you can buy for about.
1:16:20 Speaker 04 Oh, ML 55 is a good one. Oh, you know what?
1:16:22 Speaker 02 I mean, get the 500 and you have locking deaths.
1:16:25 Speaker 04 Do you remember this C 55? A C 55 AMGs are really inexpensive in that like general, I mean.
1:16:30 Speaker 02 This is starting to become bad financial advice.
1:16:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:16:32 Speaker 02 Like, I still think the move is the cheapest EV you can lease.
1:16:35 Speaker 03 Oh, what?
1:16:37 Speaker 02 150 bucks a month, 200 bucks a month.
1:16:39 Speaker 03 You can have something.
1:16:39 Speaker 02 No maintenance costs. It, it's like, you don't have to take five grand out of pocket. You're just cash filling 200 bucks.
1:16:45 Speaker 03 I don't disagree with any of that.
1:16:46 Speaker 04 That's true. That's a good point.
1:16:47 Speaker 02 Mow some lawns, clean some pools, you'll pay that off.
1:16:50 Speaker 03 I do legitimately, for especially car people, do feel like Kenan, to your point, the not as well known for being reliable brands often have reliable cars that you just need to know a little bit more about. And that's a great move. Oh, that LW1, yes.
1:17:05 Speaker 04 This one, I mean, there's a good example.
1:17:07 Speaker 02 I wish someone would do a review on.
1:17:08 Speaker 03 Also, it won't rust.
1:17:09 Speaker 02 Saturn.
1:17:11 Speaker 04 Look how nice this one was like.
1:17:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:17:14 Speaker 04 That's a nice, like, well kept car, but nobody cares about these.
1:17:18 Speaker 03 That's 71, 72,000 miles. That, that, that is an excellent choice. I can't see you in one, but that's an excellent.
1:17:23 Speaker 04 No, no, but like in that situation, like, yeah, I think that's a.
1:17:26 Speaker 03 It's a great choice.
1:17:26 Speaker 04 For sub five grand, 37.
1:17:27 Speaker 03 I picked the manual car, but it's okay that you picked the automatic.
1:17:30 Speaker 04 Well, you know, I beggars can't be choosers, as they say, I guess, but like, well, I mean, here, look.
1:17:35 Speaker 03 There you go.
1:17:35 Speaker 04 SE2, manual.
1:17:37 Speaker 03 Love these.
1:17:39 Speaker 02 Why don't you just?
1:17:39 Speaker 04 You could still participate in Radwood and be like, cool. It's, I know it's a little bit beyond the age, the age range, but you'd be accepted.
1:17:46 Speaker 02 Steal a Kia or Hyundai using a USB drive.
1:17:49 Speaker 03 That's also an option. That's illegal.
1:17:51 Speaker 04 Great consumer advice, Nick, as usual.
1:17:53 Speaker 03 Cheapest. All right. We're, we're gonna do two final questions. One of them's gonna be very, really quick, but it's a good, good question. From Z51 Singray, why do you call the Veyron the Vey when the better option would be the Ron?
1:18:05 Speaker 04 Because Ron is a guy who shows up to like, it's like a plumber's name. Like, I just want to like, the Vey is like, there's no, you know what I'm talking about when I say the Vey. It's such a ridiculous name anyway. I know it's named after their test driver and stuff like that.
1:18:19 Speaker 02 Is it?
1:18:19 Speaker 04 The Ron is just like, not at the oak I'm looking for, for a supercar of that magnitude. The Concorde of our automotive generation, you know?
1:18:28 Speaker 02 Fair. Yeah, I agree.
1:18:30 Speaker 04 Ron is a nice guy. He's helpful.
1:18:32 Speaker 02 In college, I rushed a frat and they mistakenly wrote down my name as Rick instead of Nick. And it stuck for like a year and I couldn't convince them and I don't know why, but like, Nick is such a better name than Rick.
1:18:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:18:44 Speaker 02 Like, I don't, and I feel the same way with Ron. Like, Vey is just a better name. I don't, I don't know how.
1:18:49 Speaker 04 It just feels right.
1:18:51 Speaker 03 Used against the letter R.
1:18:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, maybe, unless it's a last name.
1:18:55 Speaker 03 All right, I'm gonna take a variant of Tucker Beatty's question. He asked specifically, what is worse, the P38 or the L320? But, the question I'm gonna change this to, because I wanna rage fade the internet. Is Nick, and only Nick, please rank the Ranger of our generation from best to worst.
1:19:11 Speaker 04 Oh, we've been asked this previously. Yeah, we never got your take.
1:19:13 Speaker 03 We never got Nick's take. Which boy will it be wrong?
1:19:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't, that is a tough one. I love them all. This is like picking your favorite child.
1:19:22 Speaker 04 I know, it's hard. You're gonna put P38 as number one, which is wrong.
1:19:26 Speaker 02 No, no, I, I do think, I feel strongly the P38 is better than the RRC and the market is wrong.
1:19:32 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:19:33 Speaker 02 The P38 is a better RRC in every way. Just doesn't look as old. That's, it's only downgrade.
1:19:40 Speaker 03 And, please.
1:19:42 Speaker 02 I, I think the L405 is the best.
1:19:45 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:19:45 Speaker 02 Especially in Cabriolet format. It's just such a good value.
1:19:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:19:51 Speaker 02 The L322, I've never driven one, so I don't know, but.
1:19:55 Speaker 03 Where are you gonna put it?
1:19:55 Speaker 02 So, I'll, I'll put it slightly above the P38. So, I'm going 405, 322, RRC, and then the new one can be last. Cause I don't know.
1:20:08 Speaker 03 The L460.
1:20:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:20:10 Speaker 04 Wow.
1:20:11 Speaker 03 That's a surprisingly not that controversial take. I really thought we were gonna have P38 at the very top. I forgot he just balled.
1:20:18 Speaker 02 I've spent, I've spent months trying to get this P38 check engine light to go away. Months. Like, I, I planned to release a video on this like a year ago. And I'm still battling it. And I think it's finally getting me to my like, a little bit off the P38 high horse.
1:20:34 Speaker 04 Thank god. I like, I, I'm stunned that you're stunned. Sorry, this is gonna be difficult. Like, you were given a P38.
1:20:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:20:43 Speaker 04 What did you think was gonna happen? We all told you, you said this in the entire car. We were all in the same car at the time. Erupted saying, Nick, don't do this.
1:20:52 Speaker 02 I, I agree, although it, it is like a weird sentimental thing. Um, my kids have-
1:20:58 Speaker 04 Yeah, but get one that like, is like, nice.
1:21:00 Speaker 02 I, I should have done that.
1:21:01 Speaker 03 No, cuz he would have still spent the 15 grand in maintenance on it. Just he would have had to also pay for the car.
1:21:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, I do, I do agree that a nice one is still gonna be expensive to own.
1:21:14 Speaker 02 The other Borrego one there, that 10,250, I was the under bidder at 10 grand. That might have been a better starting point.
1:21:20 Speaker 04 Yeah. Nick, have I proven nothing to you? You start with a nice one, make it nicer.
1:21:24 Speaker 02 What's, what's great about the P38 too though, you can work on it so easily. Like, I, I did the injectors myself. I did all these things myself. Like, it's, compared to like the Arnage, it's, it's just so DIY friendly. And look at that thing.
1:21:36 Speaker 04 What are you into, your P38?
1:21:38 Speaker 02 It doesn't matter.
1:21:40 Speaker 03 Can, can you share what you told our friend group earlier today? What, what color do you think you might wrap your P38?
1:21:45 Speaker 02 Uh, my buddy has a Tesla that got wrapped in Tijuana. So I hit him up and I'm like, hey, what did they, what did they charge you? And then I reached out to them for $1,350, they will wrap it yellow. And it's not using like S-Stack or XPEL. It's like Cheetah or something like that is the brand.
1:22:02 Speaker 04 Great.
1:22:03 Speaker 02 And for an extra hundred dollars, they'll meet me at the border and, and do that, that part themselves. But I kinda wanna like-
1:22:09 Speaker 03 You have a yellow one.
1:22:11 Speaker 02 The P38 looks like the easiest to wrap car I've ever seen. So I, I don't think you could screw it up that bad. And like, then I could have my yellow one back again, but without-
1:22:20 Speaker 04 You never should have sold this car. You sold it too soon.
1:22:23 Speaker 03 Would you go for Vitesse yellow or Borrego yellow?
1:22:26 Speaker 02 I think I'd go Borrego.
1:22:27 Speaker 03 Are they the same?
1:22:28 Speaker 04 Let me put-
1:22:28 Speaker 02 No, I think they're different.
1:22:29 Speaker 04 Cheetah? It's not me.
1:22:32 Speaker 02 It'll be whatever Cheetah makes, yeah, bright yellow.
1:22:34 Speaker 03 Fair enough. Uh, the Vitesse, by the way, was AA yellow, apparently.
1:22:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:22:38 Speaker 03 Um, you should choose a better color.
1:22:40 Speaker 02 I, yellow.
1:22:41 Speaker 03 What if you, do those Cheetah offer Cheetah print?
1:22:44 Speaker 02 I don't know.
1:22:44 Speaker 03 Cause that's like a little yellow.
1:22:45 Speaker 02 I think they charge extra if it's a print. And I don't want to spend any more than I have to on this car.
1:22:49 Speaker 03 I, you can't make it a color that was sold by the company.
1:22:51 Speaker 02 The bright red, like Michael Jordan's P38 is also appealing, but yellow's kind of my thing.
1:22:59 Speaker 04 We have to end this conversation.
1:23:00 Speaker 03 We have to.
1:23:00 Speaker 02 Having an aneurysm.
1:23:01 Speaker 03 We really do.
1:23:03 Speaker 04 All right. Nick, thank you for joining us. A pleasure as always.
1:23:07 Speaker 03 Are we saying thank you for that?
1:23:08 Speaker 04 You know, he still wonders why he's called Crazy Nick.
1:23:12 Speaker 03 I do.
1:23:13 Speaker 04 This podcast is perfect.
1:23:15 Speaker 03 A very rational human. All right. Well, thank you for listening to what is certainly the best ever podcast.
1:23:21 Speaker 04 Best podcast we've ever done.
1:23:22 Speaker 03 We'll be back.
1:23:24 Speaker 04 Right. Normality will ensue.
1:23:25 Speaker 03 And I will be gone. Goodbye. Rest in peace.
1:23:27 Speaker 04 All right. Thank you also for watching and listening.
1:23:30 Speaker 03 Goodbye.
1:23:31 Speaker 04 Goodbye.
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