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Chapters
00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:12 The Euro Import Road Trip
00:03:49 Tesla Robots Are Killing Cars
00:09:28 Porsche Cancels EV Sportscar
00:12:28 Lexus Killed The LC
00:17:35 The New Mercedes-Benz S-Class
00:20:45 Acura Cancels The RDX
00:25:32 New Corvette Grand Sport Spied
00:30:46 Hyundai Cancels The Santa Cruz
00:33:42 China Bans Electric Door Handles
00:36:31 Hellcat Durango Lawsuit
00:40:34 Toyota's New 3 Row
00:41:58 Ford And China
00:42:01 Talk Cars
00:43:58 Doug's Wants An E55 Wagon
00:50:21 Nick Went To An Auction
00:54:30 Filippo's Car Is For Sale
00:56:26 Market Report
00:57:24 Mercedes-Benz R129
01:00:11 Doug Wants A WRX
01:05:09 Community Questions
01:06:56 What Ruined Thier Name Worse, Trailblazer or Prelude?
01:11:47 What OEM Would You Want A One Off From?
01:13:52 What Would Doug Do If YouTube Didn't Work Out?
01:16:39 What's One Car Doug Would Travel To Review?
01:18:06 When Is a 570s A Good Purchase?
01:19:16 Which Dead OEM Do You Miss Most?
01:23:18 Nick's Parting Thoughts
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1:01 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod!
1:04 Speaker 02 I'm Filippo.
1:05 Speaker 03 I'm Nick.
1:06 Doug DeMuro? Kennen's out today. We got a lot to cover. Let's start with the big news story. Our Euro Road Trip is live. Folks, if you haven't seen, we did a road trip where we took our cars to Paris, California.
1:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:20 Doug DeMuro? And the Nick's multiple, my Audi A2, Filippo's 500A Barth. We did that. There's a great video on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel. I'm told it's hilarious. I've only watched part of it. I can't wait to see it.
1:30 Speaker 02 It's also not just video one. There's gonna be two more coming.
1:33 Doug DeMuro? Two more coming. The cars are for sale.
1:37 Speaker 02 Indeed.
1:37 Doug DeMuro? I find it interesting that we're selling the cars prior to all of the videos going live. Like, the auctions will end, and then people will buy the cars, but then later there may be videos that the people-
1:47 Speaker 02 All the videos come out while the auctions are still live.
1:49 Speaker 03 It's a 10-day auction, a special treat for us Cars and Bids insiders. We're really milking the system here.
1:56 Doug DeMuro? I'm a little bit anxious about the fact that both the multiple and the A2 are at 6969, which is obviously a joke bid, but I believe that is their value, if not more than their value. Whoever put that bid in is gonna regret it because he or she will end up with the cars.
2:10 Speaker 02 I'm gonna throw that there. We spent, oh, eight grand on the multiple now. We're good.
2:13 Speaker 03 Oh, hey!
2:16 Speaker 02 Wow!
2:18 Speaker 03 And it's sold!
2:20 Doug DeMuro? That is for sure.
2:21 Speaker 02 No, they got a ways to go. We paid more than that.
2:23 Doug DeMuro? Nick and I have some sort. Yeah, we paid more than that. We radically overpaid for both of these cars so we could do a Euro road trip with them.
2:30 Speaker 02 Oh, that's an interesting point.
2:31 Doug DeMuro? And it's great. Go watch it, even though I myself have not. By the time you've seen this, I will have watched it.
2:38 Speaker 03 I saw it for the first time this morning when it went live.
2:41 Doug DeMuro? So good.
2:41 Speaker 03 Super happy with how it came out.
2:43 Doug DeMuro? I saw the first 10 minutes. It was, it was really funny.
2:45 Speaker 03 We were all a little silly and out there. I'm getting dragged in the comments rightfully so for being a typical American.
2:52 Speaker 02 What they don't know is that then in the next video, you're going drag racing.
2:55 Doug DeMuro? What they also don't know is je m'appelle Nicolas Roche. Like, I'm French.
3:00 Speaker 02 Move on, move on, move on.
3:02 Doug DeMuro? Euro Car Road Trip, go watch it. The Cars and Bids YouTube channel. We're gonna talk more about it next week, but it's a great, it's a great video series with great cars. Filippo's finally gonna rid himself of his 500 Abarth. Thank God.
3:14 Speaker 02 It's gone.
3:15 Doug DeMuro? And I'm so glad the A2 and the Multipla will also be gone. The Office will be rid of these vehicles.
3:20 Speaker 02 Sad. A lot fewer Italian vehicles once they're gone.
3:22 Doug DeMuro? Don't buy these cars, by the way. They're all bad.
3:25 Speaker 03 Definitely buy them and also buy the Multipla. It's the best of the three.
3:30 Doug DeMuro? It is my favorite of the three.
3:31 Speaker 03 I knew my, my wife was like, Doug is gonna talk down on your Multipla. Do not let him do it. And you know what? I'm, I forgot to talk to you before the pods. I'm telling you now, the Multipla is a gem. It's the only one in the country and it is worth at least 40, 50 grand.
3:45 Doug DeMuro? So here's the deal. So Filippo doesn't really care anymore. Just wants his car gone.
3:48 Speaker 02 Yep.
3:48 Doug DeMuro? I didn't buy the A2. The company bought it, so I don't care what it sells for.
3:51 Speaker 02 I care.
3:51 Doug DeMuro? The only person who cares about the sale price of his car is Nick. And Nick and I have a bet going about what we think it's gonna be.
3:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:58 Doug DeMuro? Uh, but I'm not gonna share the bet because I don't want people to overbid.
4:03 Speaker 02 We don't promote betting markets here.
4:05 Doug DeMuro? Right. We, God knows, unless one of them sponsors. Then we're all over it.
4:10 Speaker 03 Hagerty did sponsor the series, which is really fantastic.
4:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
4:13 Speaker 03 And they insure two of the cars, so they will be happy when they sell and they're potentially off the books.
4:19 Doug DeMuro? I don't know if we're allowed to talk about this. Sean's probably gonna yell at me later, but I'm so glad we have Hagerty as a sponsor.
4:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's great.
4:24 Doug DeMuro? Like, I literally have been a Hagerty customer. I spend, I spend thousands of dollars with Hagerty every minute.
4:29 Speaker 02 And now you indirectly get some of that back.
4:32 Doug DeMuro? Get any of it back.
4:34 Speaker 03 I use all of your sponsors. If someone wants to give a free t-shirt like Dodge at Barrett-Jackson, I have underwear from, I think I have Chubbies I'm gonna wear tonight in the hot tub.
4:45 Doug DeMuro? The next news story is sponsored by Nick Rochan's YouTube channel, which is Tesla is killing off the X. It's actually kind of a dystopian story because it's not Tesla is killing off the S and the X. A robot is um to kill these cars.
5:00 Speaker 02 Honestly, that's what's happening. Tesla has, they need the production line capacity to build humanoid robots. Now, what they didn't say is that the Model S came out in 2012 and has received a single refresh in 2017 and has been the same. And the Model X came out in 2016 and hasn't really been refreshed ever.
5:15 Doug DeMuro? The Model S, they changed the front. That was the refresh. I'm sure they said there have been other ones. But we all know there was one refresh.
5:23 Speaker 02 We all agree there's one.
5:24 Doug DeMuro? The Model, the Model S, I believe, I haven't looked this up, but I really think it might be the oldest new car on sale. The Challenger is gone, the Charger is gone, the old bodies. The, is the Chevy Express still on sale?
5:35 Speaker 02 The Macan came out after, so yeah.
5:37 Doug DeMuro? Is the Frontier?
5:38 Speaker 02 Chevy Express is technically dead, but.
5:40 Doug DeMuro? Is the Express still on sale or it's dead? What about the GMC Savannah?
5:44 Speaker 02 I believe they're both dead. I think you're right. You can still buy the Econoline chassis trucks, so maybe that is.
5:50 Doug DeMuro? The Model S, though, was so far ahead of its time when it came out that it was, it was able to have this long generation.
5:57 Speaker 02 Yup.
5:57 Doug DeMuro? Uh, which is 15 years.
5:59 Speaker 02 Wow.
6:01 Doug DeMuro? However, it is gone. The X is gone. You know, a couple of interesting things about this. To me, the most interesting thing, like what killed them ultimately was that they did the exact same products, but cheaper. And I, I was making this point to Rivian yesterday, like the R2.
6:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:14 Doug DeMuro? Is.
6:14 Speaker 02 Rivian small SUV that's coming.
6:16 Doug DeMuro? Like an R1S, but littler. And ultimately, like, the Model X, once the Y came out, the X was really only selling to people who absolutely needed the space.
6:26 Speaker 02 Yep, or wanted the doors. Yeah.
6:28 Speaker 03 But three-row SUVs are huge, bigger, like, I, I think a revised Model X could do well. I think the Model S, maybe you let the big sedan market.
6:36 Doug DeMuro? My, yeah, my problem with the X and with the Rivians is that, like, the Range Rover, you buy it. It, it looks totally. Really different.
6:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:44 Doug DeMuro? Like compared to a Velar or a Discovery or an Evoque. Like the Range Rover looks like real. The X, it's hard to tell. A normal person can't tell the difference between a Y and an X. A normal person, we can.
6:56 Speaker 03 I agree, although like Audi is also famous for all their models looking very similar to slightly different.
7:01 Speaker 02 And the A8 is.
7:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, and how's that worked for them? I, the A6 and the A8 are both, are both dead in the water.
7:06 Speaker 03 A lot of companies think having a similar design language is a good thing. A different packaging, you want three rows, you want two rows, you want big, you want medium, you want small. I, I, I think, I'm surprised that they're discontinuing the SUV. The big sedan is not a surprise.
7:19 Speaker 02 I think the reason it's not surprising is that they've been out for a long time. They're frankly very stale. They're not selling that well.
7:24 Speaker 03 Refresh it, you remodel it.
7:25 Speaker 02 And they don't want to invest in it, which I.
7:27 Speaker 03 They don't want to invest in it because they want robots.
7:29 Doug DeMuro? I think the truth is what they find is that, that there's not a huge market for this vehicle. Because other than the third row, it's indistinct and it's really expensive.
7:37 Speaker 02 And also coming out with another one does not help their stock price, saying that they're gonna build humanoid robots.
7:42 Speaker 03 What, what is the market for the robots?
7:44 Doug DeMuro? Dude, you don't want a humanoid robot?
7:45 Speaker 03 No.
7:46 Doug DeMuro? Remember the two-door taxi? That's, that is coming out.
7:49 Speaker 03 Remember Whistling?
7:50 Doug DeMuro? Kind of big brain stuff this company.
7:52 Speaker 03 Whistling bought one and like taught it to attack things.
7:54 Doug DeMuro? The robot?
7:55 Speaker 03 Run around with a sword. It was amazing.
7:57 Doug DeMuro? Whistling arrested again.
7:58 Speaker 03 I know, I know.
7:59 Doug DeMuro? Um, anyway, X and S are dead. No surprise for those who've been following the issue. I agree with you. It's not surprising, especially about S.
8:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:05 Doug DeMuro? The big sedan market is slow. This car was a huge deal when it came out. I, I just recorded a video of the most impactful cars in the last 30 years.
8:12 Speaker 03 That's one of them.
8:13 Doug DeMuro? And I put that as number one. Spoiler alert.
8:16 Speaker 03 Subscribe so you don't miss it.
8:18 Doug DeMuro? I, don't you think that that like?
8:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, 100%.
8:20 Doug DeMuro? That car changed the world.
8:21 Speaker 03 The Prius might be more, but you said.
8:22 Doug DeMuro? That was number two. The 03.
8:25 Speaker 03 20 years?
8:25 Doug DeMuro? The 03 Prius specifically. That car changed, changed the absolute world, but Tesla now pairs down. We have just the three and the Y.
8:32 Speaker 02 Also, are they investing that heavily in any product? I do wonder where their R and D dollars are going. The, the three came out with, with refreshed. Will there be a next generation? They're kind of coming to the end of that timeline. They should have one in progress if they're really.
8:43 Doug DeMuro? Why do you think they're coming in that timeline? This car lasted, I mean, the three came out in 18, didn't it? So this is six years after. So they got six more years of the three. It's hard for Tesla because their design language is this very specific thing. And they can't really deviate. And so it's like, where do we go from here? The tech is already what the tech is.
9:01 Speaker 02 Eventually they'll need to redesign it, maybe. Unless they're going to like an iPhone S where there's some small changes.
9:06 Doug DeMuro? Or maybe here's a counterpoint. Maybe Tesla just gives up on the car biz. Maybe they're like, we made our point, we're out. I know it's laughable to say this right now, but they've given like the self-driving thing is no longer class leading. The giant screen everybody has, they've given up their supercharger network to everybody else. They've get the charging ports and charging standard. Like there's not really, maybe Tesla just quietly over the next 10 years just says, we, we killed it. We changed the world. Now we're going to walk away and let everyone else handle it.
9:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's what companies with a $2.3 trillion market.
9:39 Doug DeMuro? No, then you move on to humanoid robots.
9:40 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, that's actually.
9:41 Doug DeMuro? And AI, that's the next frontier.
9:44 Speaker 02 SpaceX and XAI, which is the AI arm of X, I guess, are joining forces to become a single company.
9:51 Doug DeMuro? I just don't see what Tesla has anymore that is like that big of a deal.
9:54 Speaker 02 Model Y was the best-selling car in the world last year.
9:57 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so they, they have the best-selling car in the world. But other than that, no, you get my point though. Like the advantages, what Tesla for years had these massive advantages over all these other car companies. And like, yes.
10:08 Speaker 02 They gotta innovate and I get not wanting to, if they do want to continue in the car industry, not just do cyber cabs.
10:14 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
10:14 Speaker 02 Which they.
10:15 Doug DeMuro? We need to see like a real, something real like these cars.
10:17 Speaker 02 I wouldn't invest in these. I would reinvest in the next generation Model 3, next generation Model Y.
10:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, right. That's where the market segment is. Those are global cars that sell real well. Okay. It's still interesting to see these beloved cars canceled. And speaking of canceled.
10:29 Speaker 02 Apparently Porsche is considering cutting their electric sports car entirely.
10:34 Doug DeMuro? This has been a crazy arc on this podcast. We're at episode 97. The first episode's, oh, the Boxster is gonna go away. Then eventually the Boxster is gone. And then eventually, oh, now they're thinking about maybe doing a plug-in hybrid or a gas one alongside. An electric one. Now here we are. The electric one is dead. And by the way, Porsche is thinking about cancelling it.
10:54 Speaker 02 It's dead. There, the news articles around it are basically it has, there have been mounting costs to get the platform to where they want it to be. And to get the car to where they want it to be. So I imagine they're pretty deep in production.
11:05 Doug DeMuro? And despite all these costs, it's still undesirable. Like no matter how much money you spend on this thing, ain't nobody want it.
11:12 Speaker 02 Yep.
11:12 Doug DeMuro? Kind of like your shirt, honestly. What a.
11:15 Speaker 02 Apparently.
11:16 Speaker 03 Good for that price.
11:17 Speaker 02 They have been, we talked a month, two months ago about, uh, maybe there'll be a plug-in hybrid version. Adding that to this platform seems like it's been really difficult. They're just considering scrapping it entirely.
11:26 Doug DeMuro? Give us a flat six.
11:28 Speaker 03 That's right. I mean, even like a boxer.
11:31 Doug DeMuro? Remox and all that for a million dollars plus. Penninfarida, Batista.
11:36 Speaker 02 Nice.
11:36 Doug DeMuro? Although I did drive a Cyberster.
11:39 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
11:39 Doug DeMuro? Just like your granddaddy's old MG.
11:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:42 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
11:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:42 Speaker 03 The turn signals were.
11:43 Speaker 02 Big fan.
11:44 Speaker 03 They're us.
11:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they were. Um, I'm not surprised by this at all.
11:47 Speaker 02 No.
11:48 Doug DeMuro? Bring back the flat six. You could, you could win all the enthusiasts back with a 983 that has a flat. Technically, the 718 was a 982.
11:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:57 Doug DeMuro? You could bring them all back with a, with a flat six and just say, we're, we're coming back, baby. Everybody's, everybody would be into it.
12:05 Speaker 03 The boxer doesn't surprise me as much, but you're saying all EVs. So like the Macan.
12:08 Doug DeMuro? No, no, no. Or just the mid-engine sport, what was formerly the mid-engine sports car. It is being rumored that they are getting rid of.
12:16 Speaker 02 Our EV is mid-engine.
12:17 Doug DeMuro? Uh, and they're naturally aspirated. No, but that's the thing. Everybody's all, everybody's all up on these NA cars, all the big old. Remember the Model S Plaid is the fastest naturally aspirated.
12:27 Speaker 02 I have a real question. It's like, you normally define it by where it is relative to the axles, but the motors usually are on the axles or on the wheels.
12:33 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
12:34 Speaker 02 Mid-engine?
12:35 Doug DeMuro? Um, I think, I think at this point you would define it based on like the weight distribution and like the feel. So.
12:41 Speaker 02 So they're all.
12:41 Doug DeMuro? Depends on the car.
12:42 Speaker 02 Because all the batteries are in the floor.
12:44 Doug DeMuro? The batteries are in the floor. Yeah.
12:45 Speaker 02 They're all mid-engine.
12:46 Doug DeMuro? In, in a way.
12:47 Speaker 02 Mid-engine sports car.
12:48 Doug DeMuro? In a way, I think that as a result of that, electric lends itself kind of okay to a pretty good. The batteries are, they tend to be low, so they keep the center of gravity low and they tend to be in the middle. Yeah.
12:58 Speaker 03 And instant torque.
13:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
13:01 Speaker 02 You, Audi would not get their complaints about the weight being too far forward with the EV?
13:05 Doug DeMuro? No, uh, there are benefits to it and that Hyundai now shifts gears, which is great.
13:10 Speaker 02 All right, these are probably dead. Goodbye.
13:12 Doug DeMuro? Goodbye and good riddance. Nobody wanted them anyway.
13:15 Speaker 02 No, I legitimately.
13:17 Doug DeMuro? You're the only one, and you never would have spent the money on it.
13:20 Speaker 02 Without a single doubt.
13:21 Doug DeMuro? Now it would have cost 90 grand after all the suppliers.
13:23 Speaker 02 No doubt.
13:24 Doug DeMuro? Next story. Oh, speaking of dead, this surprises nobody, but the Lexus LC is dead.
13:31 Speaker 02 Shame.
13:32 Doug DeMuro? After one more year or something like that. This year, I don't know.
13:37 Doug DeMuro? This car.
13:39 Speaker 02 Could have been.
13:40 Doug DeMuro? This car is special.
13:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, could have been.
13:41 Doug DeMuro? This car is gonna go down as special, and it will. It's an NAV8. It is beautiful. They didn't sell many of them. This car is gonna go down as a special, special car.
13:52 Speaker 02 It's the Mark IV Supra of our generation.
13:54 Doug DeMuro? You give it 20 years, 25 years, but in that time, this car will go down as a truly special car.
13:59 Speaker 02 It still looks like a concept car.
14:00 Doug DeMuro? Still looks like a concept car. I actually think that, you know, when they left remote touch and went to normal screen, it's those that are gonna be the most desired. There's like a three, there's gonna be like three model years of really desirable LC. They're all gonna be desirable except for the hybrid ones, but this car is gonna be special someday.
14:19 Speaker 02 It is. You buy that same logic. He's looking at the previous model. The SC400, the like 90 SC400. Would also be so. It's a beautiful car with a V8. It's different. No. That's not really a performance car.
14:31 Doug DeMuro? This was the last NAV8. It was a real fast car. The Lexus SC, despite enthusiasts claiming that the first gen wasn't, has always been a soft luxury car. This car is gonna be special.
14:43 Speaker 02 I think it was a soft luxury car.
14:45 Doug DeMuro? Have you driven one? Are you nuts?
14:46 Speaker 02 But the people that you do see driving them, you assume it's comfortable enough for their 80-plus year old.
14:50 Doug DeMuro? Who do you see driving a 911? Who do you see driving a 911? You call that a soft luxury car? I haven't seen someone under 90 driving a new 911 in 15 years.
14:59 Speaker 02 Seems like 50-year-old women.
15:00 Doug DeMuro? The average buyer age of a new 911 has gotta be 77 years old. This car is a special car and I think it's gonna go down as especially those last few model years, the best improvements, losing remote touch.
15:14 Speaker 03 You're right, though, that it's gonna take a while. It's not gonna be in a couple of years.
15:18 Doug DeMuro? If you've paid attention to values for these already, they're already okay. This car is already like, yeah, like, early used ones are still like in the 50s valuable cars. And the market is already appreciating this car for what it is. It's always gonna be a small group of people, but as the hybrids come and the plug-in hybrids and all this dumb stuff.
15:37 Speaker 02 Ignore the hybrid one of these.
15:39 Doug DeMuro? Ignore the hybrid one. All the buyers did.
15:41 Speaker 03 I also like that they came in cool colors. Like those bright yellow ones are gonna be like 20 years from now, someone's gonna be like, I'm gonna have a bright yellow V8, last of the last Toyota Lexus.
15:51 Doug DeMuro? On Cars and Bids 2055, this will be a huge, huge.
15:56 Speaker 02 2055, I'll come back to episode 97 of the podcast.
15:58 Speaker 03 What do you think's gonna age better, this or the LFA?
15:59 Doug DeMuro? This has already aged better than the LFA. It looked better than the LFA from day one, it drives better, it's better in every single way.
16:05 Speaker 02 A 15th to price, we're doing well.
16:07 Speaker 03 The LFA has slightly better sound.
16:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, the LFA sounds better. I mean, I'm sure there's other things that the LFA, it's got more letters in its name. I mean, there's other dumb stuff that the LFA. This car was always a better halo car. It just, at the end of the day, the market simply isn't really there for a Lexus coupe, no matter how good it was. This car goes down as a very special car. Buy your LC500s, folks, enjoy them.
16:29 Speaker 02 You got one more year.
16:30 Doug DeMuro? A reliable, I mean, look at ISFs. That car's 15 years old, 20 years old.
16:34 Speaker 02 They have retained their value, doesn't mean they've appreciated.
16:37 Doug DeMuro? I'm not saying it's gonna go crazy appreciation. You would've been sitting on this pod being like, "The Mark IV Supra will never be worth anything."
16:44 Speaker 03 Just like that.
16:46 Speaker 02 That's an interesting point.
16:47 Doug DeMuro? You would've said that about all these cars. You know, we got a Z32 over there. You ever driven one of those?
16:53 Speaker 02 No. We're gonna find out how it is, how much it's worth.
16:56 Doug DeMuro? It's amazing.
16:57 Speaker 03 This basement is stacked right now with cool stuff.
17:00 Speaker 02 Also, it's stacked with low mile, 90s and early 2000s cars.
17:05 Doug DeMuro? Between, we got an 04 STI down here with 875 miles. We got a Z32 twin turbo 300ZX with 6,800 miles, and then we have an NSX with 321. That's a good point, Al.
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18:31 Doug DeMuro? All right, move on to the next news story. I'm gonna miss you, LLC 500.
18:35 Speaker 02 New S-Class, it's been refreshed.
18:38 Doug DeMuro? New S-Class.
18:38 Speaker 03 Much like the Tesla Model S. It has undergone a lot of changes, as Ryan might argue.
18:45 Doug DeMuro? This is more changes than the Model S ever had.
18:47 Speaker 03 It looks really subtle at first, but literally everything is different. The steering wheel, there's more screens.
18:52 Doug DeMuro? Well, specifically, the S-Class is finally getting the hyperscreen, which had debuted in EQS.
18:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:58 Doug DeMuro? And I don't remember what the latest is on EQ, whether they're completely canceling it or roaring it back. It'll change tomorrow, whatever we say. But either way, the hyperscreen has now made its way into the S-Class.
19:06 Speaker 02 Also, heated seatbelts.
19:08 Doug DeMuro? Uh, heated seatbelts.
19:10 Speaker 03 The hood emblem is illuminated. There's a lot of like
19:13 Doug DeMuro? A lot of good
19:13 Speaker 03 gimmicks, for lack of a better word, but they've taken this car and this platform so far. There's really no room for improvement. Like they've, they've won the race. They've climbed Kilimajaro.
19:22 Doug DeMuro? It is interesting.
19:23 Speaker 03 Where do you go from here? They're Alex Honnold climbing up that building in Taiwan.
19:27 Doug DeMuro? I do think about this a lot, like, you know, it's funny, like, we've been talking about the death of the large luxury sedans. Acura RL, Jaguar XJ, Audi AA, like their LXLS, they're all slowly.
19:35 Speaker 03 Yep.
19:36 Doug DeMuro? Not this one.
19:37 Speaker 03 The S-Class is more than a car, though. It's a brand.
19:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
19:39 Speaker 03 It's like a whole lifestyle.
19:41 Doug DeMuro? At one point, when I worked for Porsche, I remember the, the head of product planning told me BMW is known for the three series. Mercedes is known for the S-Class. It's a little different now because the SUVs have come, but Mercedes is still like the S-Class. And this, as when all the other luxury sedans are dead, this will still be, you know, prevailing amongst them all.
19:58 Speaker 03 Do we like the new headlights?
20:00 Doug DeMuro? I think it looks great.
20:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, I agree.
20:02 Doug DeMuro? I think it looks nicely updated. I think it's attractive.
20:04 Speaker 03 Oddly, a lot of people online sort of were mixed on the reaction.
20:07 Doug DeMuro? Every single time a new car is shown for the first time, people online complain.
20:11 Speaker 03 I just thought it was
20:11 Doug DeMuro? Every time.
20:12 Speaker 03 Surprising. I agree, but this is to me a pretty incremental difference. It's like, you have to have them right next to each other to tell the difference. So for people to be like, oh, it's awful. It's like, it's barely noticeable.
20:21 Doug DeMuro? Barely noticeable, but I do think there will probably be minor, the current S-Class is one of the great cars that I have, you know, it's amazing. And there's an E Performance version with 850 horsepower, 12, 1200 pound feet of torque. That's going to be 38 grand in six years.
20:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:35 Doug DeMuro? Uh, it is such a great product range. It is such a great car. And now it's got heated seatbelts.
20:39 Speaker 03 And please buy one new so that Nick can buy it for 30 grand in six years. The heated seatbelts, by the way, so you know, heated armrests, heated steering wheel, heated seats.
20:48 Doug DeMuro? Panels.
20:48 Speaker 03 Normal. Uh, heated seatbelts are new.
20:51 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
20:51 Speaker 03 Uh, they also have a safety benefit. Can you guess what it is?
20:55 Doug DeMuro? They keep you warm so that you do not freeze to death in your S-Class.
21:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, they, they keep you warm. So you can remove your coat and outer layers. And so the seatbelts fit snugly.
21:05 Doug DeMuro? The, the, the giant heating system in the car doesn't have that benefit, but the heated seatbelts.
21:11 Speaker 03 Correct. I'm not joking. That was part of their PR.
21:14 Doug DeMuro? That's the kind of dumb crap that people repeat on Reddit in 20 years. No, it also did this.
21:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:18 Doug DeMuro? It's like the, it's like those, remember those taillights that, that were the, the horizontal stacked taillights on the 124s and stuff? They had those little cutouts supposedly to dissipate dirt.
21:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:29 Doug DeMuro? People still repeat that. It has never made any sense. And by the way, Mercedes stopped doing it. So if they were so good at dissipating dirt, you'd think they would have kept it up. Well, people are still like, no, it's there to dissipate dirt. Okay, move on to the next news story. The Acura RDX is being canceled. You don't think this is a big news story. I think this is a massive news.
21:46 Speaker 02 It's a huge news story. It's their only car in the hottest segment.
21:49 Doug DeMuro? What percentage of sales is the RDX? Acura sales.
21:52 Speaker 02 Acura sold last year the MDX, the ADX briefly, the TL.
21:57 Doug DeMuro? Okay, I didn't ask you to name the Acuras. But good job.
22:00 Speaker 02 30%.
22:01 Doug DeMuro? 30% of Acura sales is the RDX and they are canceling it and not returning.
22:05 Speaker 02 Was that right?
22:06 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they're not. It is also on the pod doc. So I'm, you know, what a surprise.
22:10 Speaker 02 No, for the record, it is not.
22:12 Doug DeMuro? But it.
22:15 Doug DeMuro? Cut this part out.
22:18 Speaker 02 I will not have my integrity questioned.
22:21 Doug DeMuro? Integra is the Acura you forgot, by the way.
22:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:23 Doug DeMuro? 30%. 30% of Acura sales last year were the RDX. They're canceling. Now they're bringing it back in 28 as a hybrid. But I thought this was interesting. Can you imagine Lexus or Mercedes being like, we'll be back in two years with the S-Class? We'll be back in two years with the RX. Subaru, we'll be back in two years with the Outback. I think that this, even though it's a minor thing, is kind of an illustration of how Honda views Acura. And the level of investment and interest they have in continuing this brand. And they claim they have enough inventory to sell through the end of this year and then they're going to take a little break.
22:55 Speaker 02 Also.
22:55 Doug DeMuro? And then, yeah, I know. And then they're going to come out with a new one. And it's like, this is, you don't have a small midsize crossover. Like, this is it.
23:03 Speaker 02 Also, you can just kind of slow down production. If you have enough inventory, nobody needs to know.
23:07 Doug DeMuro? They're coming out, and I don't know exactly which what's made in what factory, but they're coming out with a brand new midsize electric crossover.
23:14 Speaker 02 Are they?
23:14 Doug DeMuro? The RSX, remember? Which will be dead in the water.
23:17 Speaker 02 Which we've seen during Car Week last year.
23:19 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Well, no one is going to buy that.
23:21 Speaker 02 Yep.
23:22 Doug DeMuro? And, and the theory is Acura, Acura's been in the press, oh, we're canceling the RDX, but we're confident we're going to improve year over year in sales. Oh yeah, but the RSX, you're going to sell six.
23:30 Speaker 02 The ADX is what's going to propel.
23:32 Doug DeMuro? I saw one on the road yesterday. I was shocked. This, you cannot get away with, the RDX and the MDX are the core. And the concept that Honda feels that it's like, okay to take a two-year gap. I would be livid if I was an Acura dealer. Absolutely livid that this is happening.
23:46 Speaker 02 Yes. Remember when automakers would just extend the other product line to overlap?
23:50 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
23:51 Speaker 02 The Nissan classic.
23:52 Doug DeMuro? Malibu classic.
23:53 Speaker 02 Certain. Make sure they're not.
23:54 Doug DeMuro? I do wonder about whether we should start an Acura Death Watch. We've been critical of Honda on this podcast for being conservative with their vehicles.
24:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:03 Doug DeMuro? And they have this great core product thing, and then they're afraid to invest outside that. It's starting to get to a point, though, where it's becoming detrimental. Like, they are literally leaving. It used to be like, they don't want to try too much because they might lose money. Now they're literally leaving stuff on the table. And if they don't think Acura is a viable brand, this is how you signal it.
24:20 Speaker 02 Agreed. It's insane to cancel your largest segment car at the 30% of your volume.
24:25 Doug DeMuro? 30% of your volume. MDX probably another 30, 40%.
24:29 Speaker 02 It feels like killing it would be too, like, assertive a decision by Honda.
24:35 Doug DeMuro? Time off. I know this is not a major news story. The RDX is not really an enthusiast car, but it does speak to me, again, about Honda's being too conservative. And again, about whether the Acura brand really, truly lasts. I didn't realize Acura is only selling about 140,000 cars a year. It's really not a strong brand.
24:51 Speaker 03 What's odd, though, is compared to the Nissan and Infiniti situation, Honda's brand is incredibly strong.
24:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
24:57 Speaker 03 And I still think for normies, Acura's brand is really strong.
24:59 Doug DeMuro? I agree.
25:00 Speaker 03 Because it's a deviant or variation of Honda.
25:02 Doug DeMuro? And Honda has so much love for its dependability. I truly think if Honda really invested hard in Acura, they could have a pretty successful brand.
25:09 Speaker 03 I don't even think they need to work that hard at it.
25:11 Doug DeMuro? No.
25:11 Speaker 03 Just take the Honda products and badge engineer them, like, it's fine. Like, I want an Acura Pilot, my wife would drive that.
25:19 Speaker 02 The MDX exists.
25:19 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that is the MDX.
25:20 Speaker 03 Okay, well, then we'll look at that.
25:23 Doug DeMuro? They need more product.
25:24 Speaker 02 It's a good-looking car.
25:25 Doug DeMuro? They need more product, for sure. And they've had some false starts, thinking, oh, the Integra is going to work. Oh, you know, this and that. They definitely just need to be in more segments with SUVs. And I think that they're having trouble. BMW can get away with it because they make cool cars that people want to get. If Acura making eight SUVs is probably not likely. Nonetheless, there is something here that is better than what is happening. And it's interesting to me that they're not even... Been willing to put investment into continuing this very popular car.
25:50 Speaker 02 It's also shame like the RDX is a dated product. I get why they don't want to sell anymore. Have you seen the interior?
25:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it is. It is. But that's true of all Honda interiors. Have you seen an Odyssey interior, dude?
25:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:59 Doug DeMuro? There's Sienna's on sale.
26:00 Speaker 02 Came out the same year, but like the Civic is so competitive, incredibly competitive. They're cord competitive product.
26:06 Doug DeMuro? For now.
26:06 Speaker 02 The CRV is still a competitive product.
26:08 Doug DeMuro? Are you kidding?
26:09 Speaker 02 The Pilot is a brand new product. They've invested in their core lineup, except for the Acura RDX interior, which still has a screen and like a giant center console.
26:17 Doug DeMuro? Both of those cars have old interiors and they are not putting the investment in Acura. You, again, I wonder if we should be starting an Acura Infinity Death Watch.
26:23 Speaker 02 I know.
26:24 Doug DeMuro? Initially it was just an Infinity Death Watch. We're watching the clock on that. Now we add Acura.
26:29 Speaker 02 Move on to the next news story.
26:30 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
26:31 Speaker 02 This is a C8 Corvette that might be.
26:34 Doug DeMuro? Looks like a boomer gallery.
26:36 Speaker 02 That might be, that might be a Corvette Grand Sport in Admiral Blue, which was the color of the C4 Grand Sport with the same stripes.
26:44 Doug DeMuro? Well, the sport, the stripe on the C4 was in the front, but okay.
26:48 Speaker 02 Okay, but you gotta make it look over there for the car. Apparently there's going to be a Grand Sport coming for the 2027 model year.
26:54 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
26:54 Speaker 02 There's some, somebody saw it doing some testing.
26:58 Doug DeMuro? And there's talk that it will have a new LS.
27:00 Speaker 02 Correct. There's talk that it will have a new naturally aspirated 6.7 liter LS6 is what apparently they're calling it.
27:05 Doug DeMuro? We've already had an LS6.
27:08 Doug DeMuro? You think they're gonna bring back the LS6?
27:09 Speaker 02 There'll be another. I don't, you know, who knows? Yeah. The, their updated LS, which will be called the LS6, apparently. 409 cubic inches, they expect about 550 horsepower. So like between the current regular Stingray and the E-Ray.
27:24 Doug DeMuro? You know, the, the, the C8, don't, don't look now, but the C8 has been on sale for six years.
27:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:32 Doug DeMuro? General Motors, who we've been a little critical of from time to time, has done an amazing job of keeping this car relevant.
27:38 Speaker 02 They have. Yeah.
27:38 Doug DeMuro? The ZR1X, there's still people clamoring, knocking down my door, trying to get a ZR1X video. Then there's gonna come out with another version of it. Which by the way, Grand Sport was always kind of an end of the line car. So you kind of wonder.
27:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, C7 Grand Sport over to the end too.
27:50 Doug DeMuro? C4. But, um, man, the C8 is still feels, this still feels like hot.
27:55 Speaker 02 Yep.
27:56 Doug DeMuro? Like still.
27:57 Speaker 02 Yep. It truly does. It still is competitive in the segment also.
28:01 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. A very compelling car to this day. Yes. Like really good to drive even six years later. Yep. Also, they're getting, they've retained value by Corvette standard, but they're getting a little more. What are they selling? Pull up, pull up some C8s. We sell some C8s lately. We sold some C8s.
28:19 Doug DeMuro? What do we got? What are they selling? We've tried to sell some C8s. Okay, 59 for a 20 with 19,000 miles. Around 60. I mean, that was modified. That was modified. Here's unmodified convertible for 60ish. 60. Coupe's in the 50s. 60 honestly is holding its value pretty damn well for a six-year-old. I mean, what were, what were C7s doing in 20? I mean, for context, this 2024 was, had an 81 sticker now in the mid 50s or something like that. That's pretty solid. I'm into the C8 still. I've loved it since the day it came out. You know what? I'm gonna say something controversial. I don't even think it looks bad. I think it looks good. And soon it'll be a new engine and a new.
28:57 Doug DeMuro? Color? I don't know.
28:58 Speaker 03 And the Grand Sport's also cool just because it, I feel like to some ways appeals to the younger audience. Like, we all played video games with the C4 Grand Sport. Like, I'm excited for this. Like, and I'm not your typical Corvette buyer.
29:10 Doug DeMuro? Man, what if they, what if they did a manual? That'd be so cool.
29:13 Speaker 02 Can I just say, the E-Ray is an appealing vehicle.
29:15 Doug DeMuro? E-Ray's a, yeah. The market does not agree. Market hates it, no surprise. But it's an appealing vehicle. The performance numbers on E-Ray are unbelievable. And also, personally, I think it might be the best looking. Yeah. It's just like a very simple, clean look that like, the Z06 is obviously more exciting and desirable as a car, but you start adding stuff that really kind of detracts from, the E-Ray is nice. Also, electric motor.
29:37 Speaker 03 And the Grand Sport is supposed to be like, more like a 911R, right? Like, the driver focus.
29:42 Doug DeMuro? It was more, it's always been more like.
29:43 Speaker 03 Carrera T, maybe. Like, it's a stripped down.
29:45 Doug DeMuro? Driver focused without kind of necessarily some of the crazy power.
29:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:48 Doug DeMuro? I'd call it GTS is probably where it would land in the 911.
29:51 Speaker 03 It feels very Porsche equivalent in terms of like, they're really developing from just the 911 to like, a full lineup of special vehicles and.
29:59 Doug DeMuro? All of which are desirable.
30:00 Speaker 03 And the Porsche, or the Corvette people are the same way as the Porsche people about options and stickers and.
30:06 Doug DeMuro? And are apparently willing to pay huge money. I mean, the 01 and 01X are like real money cars. Also insane performance. Insane. Insane. Excited for this if it happens.
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31:42 Doug DeMuro? Next story, please. Ah, Nick, you see this?
31:45 Speaker 03 Another, another entry to the Google poll.
31:48 Doug DeMuro? The Hyundai Santa Cruz is being canceled. This has not been confirmed yet, but I'm gonna confirm it right here, right now. Based on the sales numbers.
31:57 Speaker 02 Can I read you what they said in a release to motor one? The Santa Cruz Sport Adventure Vehicle continues to be a valued, ongoing member of the Hyundai product portfolio.
32:06 Speaker 03 A valued, that sounds like a performance improvement plan for an underperforming employee.
32:11 Speaker 02 We do not comment. They also then said that this car helped them develop the new midsize body-on-frame truck.
32:18 Speaker 03 We thank you for its contributions and wish it a soft landing wherever it may end up next.
32:22 Doug DeMuro? We'll write it a letter of recommendation.
32:25 Speaker 02 So yeah, it's gonna be that.
32:26 Speaker 03 You'll continue to get benefits for the next one to two months.
32:30 Doug DeMuro? Cobra. The Santa Cruz, the Santa Cruz was cool. And honestly, I think it was pretty desirable.
32:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
32:38 Doug DeMuro? I always knew this would be its fate. Everyone who's ever tried to mess around with something that is a non-standard pickup truck has ended up not.
32:45 Speaker 03 The Ridgeline.
32:45 Doug DeMuro? The original Ridgeline, like the Baja, like this was always gonna happen. The Maverick was, they came out like the exact same time and the Maverick was always a much more practical, realistic, large, sales number vehicle, whereas this was always more of a lifestyle car. One of their pitches though about this was that the entire front end is basically a Tucson. And so it probably didn't, like, it probably wasn't that difficult to develop.
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33:34 Doug DeMuro? So.
33:34 Speaker 02 I'm into it. Also, they sold 155,000 Mavericks in 2025, 25,000 Santa Cruzes.
33:41 Doug DeMuro? It was never intended to be that level. The pricing was very different.
33:44 Speaker 02 That's not bad, 25,000.
33:45 Doug DeMuro? It's not that bad. If you're Hyundai, it's not, you know, worth it.
33:49 Speaker 02 Also, they're coming out with a body on frame midsize.
33:51 Doug DeMuro? Ultimately, the big news is that Hyundai is canceling this to make way for, much like the original Genesis, Hyundai Genesis kind of made way for the Genesis brand. Like, there's always with the Koreans, there always seems to be like a little toe dip into the pool before that you like cannonball it.
34:05 Speaker 02 Good God, I'm so glad Nick didn't say that.
34:08 Doug DeMuro? It's true, though. Like, they've done this in a lot, there's been a lot of ways that this has happened, right? Like, the, the, the big Genesis, and then there was the G9, and then it became a brand. The, the Hyundai Veracruz, and then they came out with the Palisade. Like, there's all these, like, we're gonna try this and see how it goes, and then we're gonna try to do it actually, like, big. And that the next one will be the thing.
34:27 Speaker 03 You know what? The only brand that I think did this well, the Ford Explorer Sport Trac.
34:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
34:32 Speaker 03 It was kind of like a.
34:33 Speaker 02 Which they followed up with, with what?
34:35 Doug DeMuro? Well, they did it.
34:35 Speaker 02 It's like two generations.
34:36 Doug DeMuro? I thought that car was cool. It was desirable. It was like compelling.
34:40 Speaker 02 It was hot. At the time, it was hot. The avalanche probably exists because of it. The avalanche definitely exists because of it. That that whole segment was spawned at that time and the sport track started it all. However, I would argue that eventually it had the same fate, which was like, you can't do much with it and eventually you just have to come. The Ridgeline though, still exists? Well, but the first gen, the second gen Ridgeline is very different from the first gen. It's worse. Oh, wow. In every single measurable way. The first one was cooler. Yeah. They didn't sell many. Nope.
35:04 Doug DeMuro? Uh, Santa Cruz dead, door handles alive.
35:07 Speaker 02 No, no. Well, dead, maybe. China has banned the style of door handles popularized by Tesla, where they're hidden and electronic only. So basically what they've actually done is they've mandated that starting in 2027, all vehicles must have mechanical releases inside and out for door handles.
35:25 Doug DeMuro? Is this, is this a safety feature?
35:27 Speaker 02 They've had a couple of pretty high profile crashes where the car then lost power entirely and they couldn't open the doors. Like first responders couldn't open the doors at all. Passengers inside couldn't open the doors.
35:38 Doug DeMuro? So, so I'm a little confused. So the Model S, the door handle, you walk up to the car, they pop out.
35:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
35:42 Doug DeMuro? In this door handle, which is from a Model Y, it doesn't do that, but it is electronic. You push part of it.
35:47 Speaker 02 But I think it's not mechanical.
35:49 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's definitely electronic.
35:50 Speaker 02 So you, if there would need to be like a mechanical, right? You pull it further and then it'll, which is by the way, how some work on that.
35:55 Doug DeMuro? Automakers have been going crazy experimenting with all sorts of different door handle technology. In part because shaving the door handle, which essentially is what this does, is an aero benefit. And by having this be a thing, I wonder what effect that will have on future door handles.
36:10 Speaker 02 Probably truly some.
36:11 Doug DeMuro? If we go back to normal door handles again.
36:13 Speaker 02 I mean, you can still have them be mostly hidden or like have a little bit of a spot where you can grab it or some extern, some third or second door handle that allows for that. I get it from a safety perspective. There's also been some high profile ones in the US.
36:25 Doug DeMuro? Yep, yep.
36:25 Speaker 02 And I wouldn't be shocked if the US falls suit in their own way.
36:27 Doug DeMuro? I'm going to tell you one thing. You know what car had electronic door handles first? C6 Corvette.
36:34 Speaker 02 Maybe the C5. With it interior mechanical release and an exterior mechanical release.
36:38 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I don't actually know if they were first. People are gonna be like, no, actually such and such was first. But I remember like in the C6, it was like, this is a bizarre, like you push a button to get out, like whoa.
36:48 Speaker 02 It was wild. There have been real issues with these and so it's not a surprise.
36:51 Doug DeMuro? It's not great. Tesla, interestingly, in the front doors does have a mechanical release. In the rear doors does not have a mechanical release.
37:00 Speaker 02 And in some other cars, I think the Mikey is one of these. There is a mechanical release, but you have to remove a portion of the door panel. Which maybe if your car is on fire isn't something you want to.
37:07 Doug DeMuro? We'll have to read the Chinese regulation closely to see. Now, the reason this is a new story for us is because whatever China dictates on these cars is gonna end up affecting cars that are sold in the US market too. I have no doubt. Automakers aren't gonna develop multiple door handles, so we're gonna see some changes. One thing that I will note, people in the north are gonna be celebrating this. You know, every time these electronic
37:25 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
37:25 Doug DeMuro? pop out door handles and electronic, ah, what happens when it freezes? I mock them, but actually it's a good point.
37:33 Speaker 02 I will say, in China, 60% of the top 100 selling models have door handles that would be impacted.
37:40 Doug DeMuro? I'm not surprised. It's like the hot thing in basically every car. Rivians are like this.
37:45 Speaker 02 Yep.
37:45 Doug DeMuro? Lucids are like this. You know what's not like this is the Kia K4 hatchback.
37:50 Speaker 02 This looks good.
37:51 Doug DeMuro? We got that over there. All right, next, oh, Hellcat Durango. Hellcat Durango lawsuit is dead. I read the whole thing. It was great stuff. So, back in 20, they come out with the Hellcat Durango, which by the way, I still think is probably my favorite Hellcat car.
38:04 Speaker 02 I'm obsessed. I love that. 100%.
38:07 Doug DeMuro? Like, what the hell was that?
38:10 Speaker 02 I remember when you reviewed it in like Charlotte or something, yeah.
38:13 Doug DeMuro? Amazing situation, obviously. Come out with the car and apparently there was advertising that said it was gonna be limited edition.
38:20 Speaker 02 It was the last call model.
38:22 Doug DeMuro? Imp lied that it would only be 3,000 units.
38:24 Speaker 02 Subtly hinted, last call.
38:26 Doug DeMuro? So, people bought the car, paid over sticker because they thought it was gonna be a super limited thing. Obviously, what ended up happening is they sold more of them, which I think is crazy on its face to begin with.
38:35 Speaker 02 Did they sell more of them or there was a lawsuit?
38:36 Doug DeMuro? That they continued selling them. Like, I can't believe people bought them. I can't believe they came out with them. I'm thrilled it exists. So, the lawsuit, the owners sued Dodge saying, hey, wait a minute, you know, you said you'd have a limited car. The judge rejected, the case was dismissed entirely. Because the plaintiffs failed to show that the automaker intended to break the promise at the time the original statements were made. Boy.
39:00 Doug DeMuro? If only I could get that to work with my children. Hey, listen, I know I lied to you, but I didn't intend, when I first said it, I thought it was gonna happen.
39:09 Speaker 02 It is kind of interesting. Basically, they didn't plan to make another one, but you have to allow the manufacturer to change their mind. But Tim Kaneskis, who's now again in charge of Dodge, said, "The 2021 Dodge Durango is a single model year run, ensuring it will be a special sought-after performance SUV. You've only got one shot to buy it."
39:28 Doug DeMuro? So I get, I get the anger. How does the automaker get away with this?
39:31 Speaker 02 I get, I get the anger.
39:32 Speaker 03 That does sound like a used car salesman pushing it hard.
39:35 Doug DeMuro? And then, oh, we're gonna do many more model years. I will say, to Tim Kaneskis's credit, the 21 model year was just a single model year run. But then they also did a 22, what he didn't say...
39:46 Speaker 02 They skipped a year, right?
39:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I think they did. What he didn't say was there was also gonna be a 22, 23, 24, 25, and 26. But that, that 20, which by the way, they were also single model year run.
39:55 Speaker 02 Can we be clear about this?
39:56 Doug DeMuro? You only had one chance to buy a 24 Durango Hellcat.
39:58 Speaker 02 I'm gonna come to Tim Kaneskis's defense. That's crazy. He thought at the time that there was no world that the federal administration would allow him to sell this incredibly poor economy, high emission vehicle for longer than they did.
40:13 Doug DeMuro? He's thinking, not only, not only is Biden gonna kill this car, but there is no way that anyone is even gonna buy it.
40:21 Speaker 02 Right. They're gonna, they're gonna want the Dodge Wagoneer S, or the Jeep Wagoneer S. And then they didn't.
40:27 Speaker 03 The other part of the story is, do you feel bad for the people that are trying to speculate and make money off of a Durango? Like, of course that didn't work out well for you. What did you expect?
40:37 Doug DeMuro? You know what?
40:37 Speaker 02 Fair point.
40:38 Doug DeMuro? You know what the irony is? I bet eventually it will work out. Like, I look at some of these super high-performance, limited edition, I mean, not a lot like the stock market, but you look at sort of the GMC Typhoon-type cars where these super limited edition, which this, even though they made it for many more model years, will remain a limited car. I'm looking at TrackHog prices. We just had a Durango Hellcat sell on the site the other day for 55.
40:58 Speaker 02 With mods and miles.
40:59 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Mods and miles.
41:02 Speaker 02 I did not intentionally call a different site.
41:04 Doug DeMuro? Like, there's still money, and I bet you that, I bet you that if you truly were speculating, and you parked it, and you did no miles like people did with their demons, what have you done?
41:12 Speaker 02 Just keep going.
41:13 Speaker 03 Updating a Slack.
41:15 Doug DeMuro? As it requires hourly.
41:17 Speaker 02 Pull up that.
41:17 Doug DeMuro? For no reason. Yeah, but just, I mean,
41:20 Speaker 02 That's such.
41:20 Doug DeMuro? If you were advising someone to say, I want, become a car flipper. Here's a good asset for you to invest in. Dodge Durango. I mean, just like, it is the worst advice you could have.
41:30 Speaker 02 The only one.
41:31 Doug DeMuro? Get a, get a CA, get, get something like a Durango.
41:34 Speaker 02 So true.
41:35 Speaker 03 Don't forget about the one that you should flip.
41:37 Doug DeMuro? Uh huh.
41:38 Speaker 02 That's right.
41:38 Doug DeMuro? Like, it's not illegal to be stupid.
41:40 Speaker 02 This was a flipper car.
41:41 Doug DeMuro? That was, and the dude made a car handle. Cause I reviewed it the second time. That does great wheels. Uh, sorry for you Durango owners, I totally feel your pain. Uh, but the good news is you have a Durango Hellcat in your garage.
41:53 Speaker 02 That is pretty good consolation.
41:56 Doug DeMuro? Uh, all right, next news story, I can't believe you're still doing the news. Toyota has teased a three row, nobody cares about.
42:00 Speaker 02 It might be a minivan, but it also might be an electric Highlander.
42:02 Doug DeMuro? Why are we saying minivan? We think it's got a lot.
42:04 Speaker 02 Something about the door says minivan to me. But it is, it is almost certainly an electric Highlander.
42:09 Doug DeMuro? Electric Highlander is a big deal.
42:11 Speaker 02 Or a Highlander replacement in general.
42:12 Doug DeMuro? Electric Highlander would be a big deal. I thought Toyota wasn't investing in electric. I guess we'll find out.
42:15 Speaker 02 But they have the BZ, it might just be a normal Highlander.
42:17 Doug DeMuro? Well, what is a gear lever? Does a gear lever show, is it a hybrid or electric? It doesn't seem to have a gear lever, does it?
42:22 Speaker 02 Right.
42:22 Doug DeMuro? That's saying.
42:23 Speaker 02 Or that could be the gear lever.
42:24 Doug DeMuro? That's saying EV to me.
42:26 Speaker 02 A redesign Sienna would be nice. It's not an old product, I just don't think it looks nice.
42:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
42:30 Speaker 02 And so I'm really supportive.
42:31 Doug DeMuro? But it's the best one by far.
42:33 Speaker 02 All right, that's the story.
42:34 Doug DeMuro? Three row Toyota coming, maybe.
42:35 Speaker 02 By the way, I want to say, before I move to the next story.
42:38 Doug DeMuro? I can't believe you still have more news.
42:39 Speaker 02 I know, incredibly, we have one more. Nissan today was at NADA, which is a large dealer thing. And they showed apparently pictures of the new Xterra.
42:49 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
42:50 Speaker 02 I've been trying to find these pictures of the new Xterra. So maybe we'll talk about it next week.
42:54 Doug DeMuro? New Xterra coming.
42:55 Speaker 03 Nissan was also talking a big game about growing 50% in sales volume.
42:59 Speaker 02 They're planning on, not 50% next year, but they do have pretty ambitious growth.
43:03 Doug DeMuro? You get down to here.
43:04 Speaker 02 Good luck.
43:04 Doug DeMuro? 50% growth isn't that hard to do.
43:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, I guess that's true.
43:06 Doug DeMuro? And, and by the way, new Xterra, you and me could make one in our garage. You take a Frontier, you, you paper mache a body onto it. This is not difficult. It's like what they did with the Santa Cruz.
43:15 Speaker 02 Yep.
43:16 Doug DeMuro? And they've been selling 25,000 a year.
43:18 Speaker 02 The opposite.
43:19 Doug DeMuro? They did the opposite. Uh, final news story, Ford is doing something with the Chinese. Okay, I want to move on to the Todd Cars.
43:25 Speaker 02 I'm okay with that, that's fine.
43:27 Doug DeMuro? I want to move on to the Todd Cars segment, which is brought to you by Nick's YouTube channel. Nick Rochon, is that what it is? Or is it Crazy Nick? Crazy Nick, we call him, Nick Rochon. Uh, he's got an SLR, folks, come on. Subscribe.
43:39 Speaker 02 And the SLR broke down.
43:41 Speaker 03 It did, a little works again.
43:43 Doug DeMuro? Don't tell them that, make them go to the media. The SLR broke down, what's gonna happen next? I'm gonna lose my YouTube channel.
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45:20 Doug DeMuro? Okay, I want to, in the Talk Car segment, the only thing I want to discuss today, me personally, is the E55 station wagon, okay?
45:27 Speaker 03 No, no, don't, don't.
45:29 Doug DeMuro? Different from yours.
45:30 Speaker 03 Cut it. Sean, Sean, make a note, cut.
45:32 Doug DeMuro? Pull up, Filippo, pull up, we've never sold one that I want.
45:35 Speaker 03 It is at $8,000, which is way too much if you're thinking of jumping in.
45:39 Doug DeMuro? We have an E55.
45:41 Speaker 03 This one's radically different.
45:42 Doug DeMuro? But you're talking about the SQ.
45:44 Speaker 03 This is, I want it, no one else bid.
45:46 Doug DeMuro? You don't, you've never sold one that I want. No, but I'll pull up this. No, no, no, no. Close enough. I want this body. Yeah. E55 wagon with a third row. Left-hand drive. This is, yeah.
45:58 Speaker 03 Find one in the UK, I'll consider it.
46:02 Speaker 03 If you find a Hong Kong domestic market example, we'll talk.
46:05 Doug DeMuro? I've noted because that one was right-hand drive. So, the E55 wagon on this body, so the 210 body, I need either a 2000 or a 2001. Was only sold as an E55 wagon overseas. I want, I need one with a third row and it needs to be silver.
46:21 Doug DeMuro? But only a post-face lift car. We're finding a lot of pre-face lift cars with third rows. I only want a 2000 or a 2001. Now I'm gonna do this like I did with the Arena 993 Turbo, okay? I'm gonna start blasting it out in every pod. I want, yeah, send Nick a message. I want a 2000, 2001 E55 station wagon with a third row, okay? Does everybody understand? Do you understand what I'm looking for?
46:44 Speaker 03 I understand. And you're gonna get flooded with non-examples of what you just described. Different generations, different motors.
46:52 Doug DeMuro? I got a pre-face lift, I got a black one. No. 2000, 2001 silver car with a third row, E55 only. We're not doing E430s. If you have one, [email protected] . [email protected] . Do you understand?
47:07 Speaker 03 Sounds right.
47:08 Doug DeMuro? And I don't, don't say anything about his bad color G-Wagon. It's, we're gonna move on from that today. E55 wagon. If it's in Europe, I don't care. Asia, I will import it. Find me the car.
47:20 Speaker 03 On a related note, the E55 currently on your site, the next generation I'm very much into. This one is high mileage, 201. High mileage is air quotes.
47:29 Doug DeMuro? Are you buying this?
47:30 Speaker 03 I'm, I intend to potentially bid.
47:34 Doug DeMuro? Wait, this is, okay.
47:35 Speaker 03 It's got some dings on the carfax.
47:37 Doug DeMuro? These are reliable cars.
47:39 Speaker 03 It does not have a third row, but yeah, it's got service. I really like this car. I drove a different one over the past weekend.
47:45 Doug DeMuro? This one has a Rentech ECU too.
47:46 Speaker 03 I know, I know.
47:47 Doug DeMuro? And you were saying the one you drove, you didn't think was fast enough?
47:50 Speaker 03 Well, I mean, this also has like a supercharger pulley, a couple of things. So, this one, and you have a B5 RS4 on the site, both of them. I've never bought a car on the site and I really wanna fix that this year. So, I'm refreshing my watch list a lot.
48:02 Doug DeMuro? The RS4, the RS4?
48:03 Speaker 03 The RS4 is great. It's owned by the founder of Vivid Racing, which was like the site. I'm sure they're still very popular, but... So, it's like owned by like the type of enthusiast you wanna buy from. It's got a bunch of nice mods. I know who we disagree on what that means, but... 034 Motorsports, like bushings and like minor stuff that improves just how tight and good it feels.
48:25 Doug DeMuro? I agree. I would put the rear white... Back on.
48:27 Speaker 03 Yep.
48:28 Doug DeMuro? No, I mean, aero, you know.
48:30 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
48:31 Doug DeMuro? Right.
48:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
48:32 Speaker 03 Notably aero car. I think this is the greatest Audi of all time.
48:34 Doug DeMuro? I I drove one while I was in Arizona and I loved it.
48:37 Speaker 03 The R8 exists.
48:38 Doug DeMuro? The R8 is next.
48:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'll take that.
48:41 Doug DeMuro? Norwegian plates. This, uh, this is, you loved it.
48:43 Speaker 03 The problem with the R8 is everyone's like, oh, you should have got a Huracan. There's no equivalent for the B5 R4. We're like, oh, you should have gotten a cooler wagon. Find me one.
48:51 Doug DeMuro? Find me one.
48:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:52 Doug DeMuro? There ain't one. There ain't one that drives better. You enjoy driving it?
48:54 Speaker 03 I loved it. It was so usable and enjoyable and pleasant. Yet it had like great turbo boost and it kicked and you're like, yeah.
49:01 Doug DeMuro? It's also just the perfect size. And by then they had dialed in the steering feel. This is what I had wished the RS2 was when I bought it.
49:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:07 Doug DeMuro? And I still think the RS2 looks better, looks cooler, is cooler. It does not even come close to driving as well as this car. It's not even close.
49:16 Speaker 03 Maybe, but I I think this is also aged incredibly well inside and out. It looks on the inside, it it has like the right amount of nostalgia, but it's still a nice place to be. On the outside, it's special enough that any person in the car recognizes that it's not just an S4.
49:28 Doug DeMuro? Totally. I I I think that this is like truly, I think the best Audi of all time. One of the all time great. Powertrain is amazing. The steering feel is amazing. I always loved even a B5 A4, but like this was like the ultimate iteration of the platform. And you know a point that someone made to me the i- in our comments? The press color for this car is silver.
49:47 Speaker 03 No, really?
49:48 Doug DeMuro? Sure. Like, think about all the ma- all the materials, the advertisements, everything from back in the day. It was silver. It was not the, now, everyone, there is a, everyone wants the blue and the blue is like the Audi color.
49:57 Speaker 03 It's such a premium.
49:58 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
49:59 Speaker 03 Yeah. I mean, it's not like 10% more. It's like
50:01 Doug DeMuro? I know.
50:01 Speaker 03 Tens of thousands more.
50:02 Doug DeMuro? 4GT heritage.
50:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's, it's a lot to swallow.
50:06 Doug DeMuro? So you're gonna buy either this or the E55?
50:08 Speaker 03 Maybe.
50:09 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna put a bid on either?
50:10 Speaker 03 I don't want maybes, Nick. We doing this? Well, it, I, depends on how high the bidding goes. Do I intend to throw my hat in the ring? Yes.
50:16 Doug DeMuro? Nick, have you bid on either?
50:18 Speaker 03 Nick, go bid.
50:18 Doug DeMuro? You know what? Nick, come on. Step up. Step up to the plate.
50:23 Speaker 03 With the multiple going for sale, I I I do suddenly feel the need to replace it with something. And unlike the multiple, I went something with a little more power.
50:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
50:31 Speaker 03 A little bit more, uh, driving dynamics.
50:33 Doug DeMuro? Your only fun car right now is your SLR.
50:35 Speaker 03 Right. No, I mean, I think the P38 is really fun, but in a different way.
50:38 Doug DeMuro? Nope. So your only fun car, oh, thank you.
50:42 Doug DeMuro? I've been trying to push them, I I want the audience to know, I've been trying to push them into a Diablo.
50:49 Doug DeMuro? There is a Diablo for sale that is not listed, that is available to Nick, that I have been begging him to pursue. He's not gonna do it. He's gonna regret it. Couple of years, he's gonna sell his SLR. He's gonna go after Diablo then. It will be priced out. You will not be able to afford anymore, and I will rub this in your face that you could have had it.
51:06 Speaker 02 Can we know that a Diablo and a 205,000 mile E55 are on a different price bracket? This is not important to Doug.
51:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but Diablo's are going up in value.
51:15 Speaker 02 30x difference.
51:16 Doug DeMuro? Diablo's are going up in value. Like my Ford GT, right? I have made 150 grand in that car. You're never gonna make 150 grand on an E55 wagon. But if you have a 2000 or a 2001 model, Silverwood's third row, send a ma- I'm so serious about this. I will buy it today. Sean at carsandbids.com. S-E-A-N. Sean. The Irish spelling. Do you understand?
51:39 Speaker 02 The more common selling?
51:40 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. Uh, okay. There's that. Um, Nick, what else you got for us?
51:46 Speaker 03 You got? I came back from Arizona Car Week.
51:48 Doug DeMuro? You did.
51:49 Speaker 03 That was really fun.
51:49 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
51:50 Speaker 03 As someone who lives in the online auction world, seeing the in-person is a really interesting event. Well, for one-
51:56 Doug DeMuro? Much worse, of course.
51:58 Speaker 03 They're just, they're just different. Like, it's not like online and offline versions of the same thing. Like, it's just totally... The way, first of all, it's really fast, right? Like, you've got seconds to make decisions. Like, I wish you had a minute between each bid to, like, think about it. The, the energy of the room, but then also, like, it's like the LA Auto Show. Like, there's an exhibitor hall. You could buy hot tubs, cigars, get tattoos.
52:20 Doug DeMuro? You could buy all that stuff.
52:22 Speaker 03 I have a friend, two friends that bought hot tubs there, oddly enough. And I think it was like that we didn't win the car, but like, I've been thinking of a hot tub anyways. It's like, it's like this Vegas level of just like, all your logic goes out the window, and you're just like, I'm buying something.
52:35 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, uh, I agree. I totally agree. I love our site, and I think there's actually benefits for both buyer and seller on our pla- on a platform such as ours. However, there is something fun about the electric feel of being in the room at a physical auction. Sometimes that leads to interesting results that people later regret.
52:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:56 Doug DeMuro? Buyers and sellers, to be honest. I think having the real time to like, really think through the car is, is can be significantly beneficial. But it's fun.
53:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:04 Doug DeMuro? It's more fun.
53:05 Speaker 03 And I did see.
53:05 Doug DeMuro? It's more of a spectacle.
53:06 Speaker 03 There was, uh, without naming names, a handful of cars that I saw that were bought on either Cars and Bids or Bring the Trailer, sold at Barrett-Jackson for less than they pay. You know what I mean? Like, it can go either direction. It's not that one is better or worse necessarily. It depends on the car. But the experience of going to one was really fun.
53:23 Doug DeMuro? Certainly interesting to check out. Even, even if you're a huge fan of our platform, even if you work for our platform, even if you like the Bring the Trailer, it's worth spending time going to online.
53:34 Speaker 03 The other thing that I'll, I'll get on your soapbox as a non-Cars and Bids employee that I can say that you all maybe can't. People complain about buyer's fees on Cars and Bids or Bring the Trailer. It was $500 to register, just to register to bid for the privilege of there. Then I had to show proof of funds, including like, or take out a loan in order to be approved a bid up to a certain amount.
53:55 Doug DeMuro? Now, I'll tell you, you make crazy Nick show proof of funds, you're gonna run into some sketchy stuff. Can I, alright, here's one bank account and now here, here's another bank account. And if you add those two together and then think about how much credit line I have in this bank account.
54:08 Speaker 03 Yeah. The, the also, um, there's a buyer fee and a seller fee.
54:12 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
54:13 Speaker 03 Both of which are 10 to 12% depending on that. So like the four to five percent, or the, sorry, 5% is it?
54:19 Doug DeMuro? 5%.
54:19 Speaker 03 I should know this.
54:20 Doug DeMuro? Capital 75%.
54:21 Speaker 03 Is a bargain. So like, yeah, complain all you want. This isn't something that the online auction houses made up. In fact, they do it way cheaper.
54:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, so much, it's insane.
54:29 Speaker 03 Huge, huge benefit. It does factor in, like, for me, when I was thinking all those, I'm like, okay, immediately add at least 10%.
54:35 Doug DeMuro? Huge benefit to buyer and seller, honestly. Buyer obviously pays less, but seller gets more for the car on these platforms. Uh, sometimes you will see results on the physical, at the physical auctions, like, oh, this sold for way more than you saw at Bring the Trailer Cars and Bids. Well, start, let's start playing with the numbers, right? Because there's a 10% buyer's fee, there's a 10% seller's fee. Those are factored in, right? How much, how much more would the buyer have paid if there were no fees? Well, you'll never know because those guys make sure to get theirs. Whereas we democratize the platform. We're basically running a charity, a nonprofit organization.
55:07 Speaker 02 Also, you know, the table in the back of the room, less likely to bid on cars than bids.
55:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
55:14 Doug DeMuro? That's another thing that happens at the, at the physical auctions.
55:17 Speaker 02 Obviously not accusing anybody in particular.
55:19 Doug DeMuro? The lampshade in the back places more bids than anybody else. The, the auctioneer also won't ding the rearview mirror as they're pulling off the stage. Wild.
55:28 Speaker 02 So an F-50 got purchased at one of the auctions, not during car.
55:34 Speaker 02 The person driving it out, who are just like random people from the local civic society or something like that, hit it on, on, on a wall.
55:41 Doug DeMuro? Smash it.
55:42 Speaker 02 Like Doug did.
55:43 Doug DeMuro? I would want so much remedied. I would want like an unbelievable amount of arbitration at that, at that point, especially because it's all over Instagram. Okay. Uh, I want to move on now to, oh, you want to talk about something? The Abarth and the multiple. Do we want to talk about how they're for sale? Your desk for people to buy them?
55:57 Speaker 02 Yeah, pretty much. I can sell my own car. Uh, I, by the way, I want to be really clear. I've added a comment in this, in my auction where I describe every single thing that I can think of that's wrong with the car, like quite at length.
56:10 Doug DeMuro? Wait, wait, go, go, go down. I want to see.
56:11 Speaker 02 All five of them?
56:12 Doug DeMuro? See the comment.
56:12 Speaker 02 All five of the things?
56:13 Doug DeMuro? All right.
56:15 Speaker 02 I have done the bare minimum.
56:16 Doug DeMuro? Oh, wow. He's bragging about his Firehawks.
56:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:19 Doug DeMuro? I've done the bare minimum to maintain this car.
56:22 Speaker 02 I want to make that really clear. One time, one of the lights stopped working and I let it sit for a year until Ken borrowed it and then he put a new fuse in. That's the level we're talking about.
56:30 Doug DeMuro? Man, this is, this is a great, it's fun, it's toss spaceable.
56:34 Speaker 02 Oh, wow. That's embarrassing.
56:35 Doug DeMuro? It is easy to drive. But regardless, so there's some smoke coming. This car has.
56:39 Speaker 02 I haven't seen that happen.
56:40 Doug DeMuro? There are no known issues. The car has smoke coming out of the tin pipe under acceleration. There is an oil leak in the driveway.
56:47 Speaker 02 No, maybe.
56:48 Doug DeMuro? This flaps around in the wind. Something I would have ghostwritten for him. Did you get Tim Koeniskas to write this about the 21?
56:56 Doug DeMuro? This is your one chance to buy this perfect car, except for the oil leak. The, the other important thing here is.
57:02 Speaker 02 The oil leak I have not seen happen. I want to be clear.
57:04 Doug DeMuro? What do you mean you have not seen them?
57:06 Speaker 02 There was a shop note from the first time I got an oil change saying that there was evidence of an oil leak in like the oil, in the tray or whatever. I have not, I've parked that car in my driveway for three years. I've not seen any oil on the ground. The oil level has never changed, etc.
57:19 Doug DeMuro? It's never changed.
57:20 Speaker 02 No, no, no. The oil has changed. The oil level did not change. The smoke coming out of the tailpipe was weird. I had Pennant and some other friends tell me this was happening, but then we filmed the whole video where we drag raced it.
57:32 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't want to get into the specifics in the car. It is already vastly higher than it deserves to be.
57:39 Speaker 03 Mr. Magoo sees nothing wrong with the car. We're good.
57:42 Doug DeMuro? At $5,100, someone is doing you a favor today on this car.
57:46 Speaker 02 I wholly agree. Okay, we gotta move on to the market report, which is sponsored by the Nick YouTube channel. The Nick YouTube channel.
57:54 Speaker 03 Can we, actually, I want it to be sponsored by N-N-N-Nick on Cars and Bids. Please go follow my seller profile.
58:01 Speaker 02 Oh, you want to be like that?
58:02 Speaker 03 I'm number five and Filippo's number four on the leaderboard.
58:04 Speaker 02 Wait, go to the leaderboard.
58:05 Speaker 03 And I would really like to, you don't have to unfollow Filippo. No one's asking you to do that. But if you could please just follow me in addition to or instead of Filippo, that would help.
58:15 Speaker 02 I shouldn't try to type when there's a...
58:16 Speaker 03 Enhance.
58:17 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so...
58:18 Speaker 03 So go to the followers count on the far right. I've been stuck at number five for a while.
58:23 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
58:23 Speaker 03 606 for 632.
58:25 Doug DeMuro? Folks, folks, if you're watching this, unfollow Filippo.
58:30 Speaker 02 Don't.
58:31 Doug DeMuro? And follow Nick.
58:33 Speaker 02 Don't.
58:33 Speaker 03 I think give Ed Bullion a follow too.
58:36 Speaker 02 Sure.
58:36 Speaker 03 Let's just, let's manipulate these a little.
58:38 Speaker 02 From the Cars and Bids account, Ed Bullion is now followed.
58:41 Speaker 03 Okay, he's sold a lot of cars with us.
58:42 Doug DeMuro? I want to talk about the, a couple of things. I want to talk about the R129 and the R230. Can we just do that really quick?
58:49 Speaker 03 Sure.
58:49 Doug DeMuro? Talking Benzes. It hit me the other day. We sold the nice R129 the other day, and it hit me that that car will never rise in value ever.
58:55 Speaker 03 Yep, there's so many of them.
58:56 Doug DeMuro? It simply, this car, it simply will never rise in value ever. This was a late model in a cool color. It sold for 11.
59:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, that seemed like the right price.
59:06 Doug DeMuro? Because this car will never rise in value. And same with the R230. I walked by an R230 on the street the other day, and there's people like, you walk by, people are like, oh, that's, that's a new... Well, it's also an $8,000 car.
59:17 Speaker 03 Wow.
59:18 Doug DeMuro? That's an SL55 that sold for 14. That's a regular SL550 that sold for 11.
59:23 Speaker 03 Forty-five thousand.
59:24 Doug DeMuro? Miles. Neither of these cars will ever be worth anything in the history of time, but they're pretty good.
59:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
59:33 Doug DeMuro? Like, if you want a cool, kind of show-it-off type of car.
59:36 Speaker 03 A second home car, like, it's perfect or something like that.
59:39 Doug DeMuro? They're also pretty reliable, generally.
59:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
59:41 Doug DeMuro? The 129 is a little bit more reliable, but they're both pretty stout cars.
59:46 Speaker 03 Yep, buy one.
59:48 Doug DeMuro? They never, you will not make any money. You will only lose money. But it's a pretty good value, I think.
59:53 Speaker 03 I don't think you'll lose money. You'll spend money.
59:55 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna spend money maintaining it, and you won't sell it for anything, so.
59:57 Speaker 03 No, but you won't sell it for that much less.
59:59 Doug DeMuro? No, I mean, the floor.
1:00:00 Speaker 03 Is 10.
1:00:01 Doug DeMuro? The cars are selling for 8, so like, you can only lose so much on these things. I really think those cars are pretty cool for the number.
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1:01:35 Doug DeMuro? So bad.
1:01:37 Speaker 02 Cool car.
1:01:37 Doug DeMuro? Early WRXs are so cheap. And I think it's crazy. Go back to it. Let's talk about this for a second. They're so cheap, even though they are cool as hell.
1:01:46 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:01:47 Doug DeMuro? This car started the whole thing.
1:01:48 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:01:49 Speaker 03 What's the last Japanese car you've owned?
1:01:51 Doug DeMuro? I have a Sequoia right now.
1:01:53 Speaker 03 I mean, like, an enthusiast car.
1:01:55 Doug DeMuro? Uh.
1:01:56 Speaker 02 He has a Sequoia TRD Pro.
1:01:57 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
1:01:58 Speaker 03 So the S-Cargo doesn't count. This doesn't count either?
1:02:00 Doug DeMuro? Sequoia TRD Pro.
1:02:02 Speaker 03 S-Cargo.
1:02:02 Doug DeMuro? So, Japanese.
1:02:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:02:04 Doug DeMuro? Uh, I had a 2013 Land Cruiser only. I sold it two years ago. Does that count?
1:02:10 Speaker 03 I would, I guess.
1:02:11 Doug DeMuro? Well, I mean, sure.
1:02:12 Speaker 03 Okay, I was thinking like a sporty vehicle.
1:02:14 Doug DeMuro? I don't, I had a Skyline GT-R back in 2015.
1:02:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, that was.
1:02:19 Doug DeMuro? But since then, I've had a lot of different Japanese cars.
1:02:21 Speaker 03 I think it's time.
1:02:21 Doug DeMuro? And a Korean car, and I bet that you don't distinguish.
1:02:26 Speaker 03 That was rude.
1:02:30 Speaker 03 Maybe true, but definitely rude.
1:02:33 Doug DeMuro? I think those Subarus, this is gonna sell for more because it's a late production car. It's a Type RA. Would you just click on the?
1:02:39 Speaker 03 No, I wanna see what else we have.
1:02:41 Doug DeMuro? No, go back, go back.
1:02:42 Speaker 03 Do some casual browsing in the middle of the pod.
1:02:44 Doug DeMuro? I think this is such a cool car. It's, it's, the mileage is unknown, but it's, it seems pretty, um, it's pretty low wear. It's not crazy modified. It only has a few little things that would take off the mudflaps day one. But these are cool cars. Early WRXs are cool cars in general. And I don't understand why these don't bring more money. This car started the whole thing. The whole thing.
1:03:05 Speaker 02 Agreed. Should take, bring way more money.
1:03:08 Doug DeMuro? You want one?
1:03:09 Speaker 03 No.
1:03:09 Doug DeMuro? Why not? They do wagons. Have you ever seen the badging? It's this giant thing.
1:03:14 Speaker 03 That's stock?
1:03:15 Doug DeMuro? That's, oh, completely.
1:03:16 Speaker 03 Wow.
1:03:17 Speaker 02 But it says WRX, two different places.
1:03:19 Doug DeMuro? That is not stock. That was added.
1:03:20 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:03:21 Doug DeMuro? That is how it was done.
1:03:22 Speaker 03 Wow.
1:03:22 Doug DeMuro? Nick, don't you want this car? Why don't you get this? They did a wagon.
1:03:25 Speaker 02 I, they did. It's a small wagon. It's not notable.
1:03:28 Speaker 03 I do, I do, no, I'm in, I'm into these in particular.
1:03:31 Doug DeMuro? You've never had Japanese cars ever, have you?
1:03:34 Speaker 03 I had a TSX for a minute. A Tip TSX like 15 years ago.
1:03:38 Speaker 02 Yep, for two months.
1:03:39 Doug DeMuro? It's a good engine, though. What else?
1:03:42 Speaker 03 That's it.
1:03:43 Doug DeMuro? You've never had Jap- I'm telling you, you gotta get a Z32.
1:03:45 Speaker 03 You gotta get a Z32. I would like to spend some time in that later.
1:03:49 Doug DeMuro? It's so good.
1:03:50 Speaker 02 Or a nice NSX.
1:03:52 Speaker 03 I still want a Pajero Evo.
1:03:53 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we have to move on to the questions because we're coming up to the end of this thing and we have to move on to the que-
1:03:56 Speaker 03 Oh my gosh. I thought we were making this two hours.
1:03:59 Doug DeMuro? The questions are brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is the finest whatever. You can take the rest.
1:04:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's right. You nailed it.
1:04:09 Doug DeMuro? Cars and bids!
1:04:11 Speaker 03 It is the best place to buy a multiple online in America.
1:04:14 Doug DeMuro? This is at 160?
1:04:16 Speaker 02 And I think it's got a little bit to go.
1:04:18 Doug DeMuro? This is a si- we've been selling NSXs for money. You saw the gray one?
1:04:22 Speaker 02 This one, yeah.
1:04:23 Doug DeMuro? Pull up NSXs that we've sold. We'll go to the questions in a second.
1:04:25 Speaker 02 The last four NSXs, there was one automatic early, early, early car, but then ours with 300,000 miles.
1:04:31 Doug DeMuro? Oh, including Ferras.
1:04:32 Speaker 02 Matt Ferras, that had 20,000 miles for 167. This was what, 60,000 miles for 121?
1:04:39 Doug DeMuro? You know what was the deal car, honestly, was this, because the blue is really rare and really beautiful and really sought after. And that car had some miles, so you could actually use it. And it didn't go for such crazy money. I mean, the one that's live now is gonna go for ridiculous money, but it's super low miles.
1:04:52 Speaker 02 Do you think on OE wheels it would've done better?
1:04:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I do think it would've done better on OE wheels. And I think that that's something that someone ought to do to it.
1:04:58 Speaker 02 This is gonna do so well.
1:04:59 Doug DeMuro? By the way, we have a new NSX on the site too, which I also think is a really-
1:05:02 Speaker 02 Which at this point, cheaper.
1:05:04 Doug DeMuro? Uh, yeah.
1:05:06 Speaker 02 Same price point, cheaper.
1:05:07 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:05:08 Speaker 02 NA2s have Eclipse.
1:05:09 Doug DeMuro? God, I love this car.
1:05:10 Speaker 02 NC1s.
1:05:10 Doug DeMuro? This car is so good to drive. You ever driven one of these?
1:05:13 Speaker 02 No, and I didn't get a chance to drive ours.
1:05:14 Doug DeMuro? You didn't drive ours?
1:05:15 Speaker 02 No, because once we started getting ready for auction, we told them that we don't.
1:05:19 Doug DeMuro? Have you ever driven any NSX?
1:05:20 Speaker 02 No.
1:05:20 Doug DeMuro? Oh, you're missing out.
1:05:21 Speaker 02 I mean, I moved it from right there, right there. Does that count?
1:05:23 Doug DeMuro? It's really nice. You know what else is nice, though, in this era? FDRX7. That is a really good car.
1:05:29 Speaker 02 And?
1:05:30 Doug DeMuro? Z32. And then Mark IV. That's how I would rank them, by the way. If I had to rank them-
1:05:34 Speaker 02 R7 above the Z32?
1:05:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Oh, FDRX7 is one of the great driving cars in automotive history. It's just also one of the most painful cars to own. FDRX7, I might prefer the driving experience compared to the NSX.
1:05:46 Speaker 02 Wow.
1:05:47 Doug DeMuro? It weighs 2,000 pounds. It's like a Miata, but like, factory-built, more legit. Like, it's like a more legit Miata. The rotary powertrain is amazing. It is super light. It handles incredibly well. It's just impossible for anybody to-
1:06:00 Speaker 02 The Z32 eclipsing the Mark IV is interesting.
1:06:04 Doug DeMuro? From the driver's driving perspective only.
1:06:07 Speaker 02 That's the perspective that some of us care about.
1:06:09 Doug DeMuro? Well.
1:06:09 Speaker 02 Driving enthusiast.
1:06:10 Doug DeMuro? No, there's more to it than that. Oh, come on. There's style, there's, there's design, there's practicality, there's reliability, there's, there's technology, there's all this stuff.
1:06:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:06:20 Doug DeMuro? You think style is equivalent?
1:06:21 Speaker 02 No, reliability.
1:06:22 Doug DeMuro? The Supra looks better. The Supra is more reliable. The, the, the 2JZ is not only more reliable, but more tunable.
1:06:27 Speaker 02 That 3 liter is not bad.
1:06:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, okay. Ah, fine. The questions are brought to you by Nick and his electric charger shirt. Nick, you want to tell us straight about that?
1:06:36 Speaker 03 I was told this was a gas one. I asked specifically. I think what she said was, which do you want it to be? And then she just agreed with whatever I said next. But yes, this is a gas powered one.
1:06:50 Doug DeMuro? Oh man, I hope you bought a couple. If you saved that shirt in 20 years, people would be like, I can't believe there was ever a shirt for this car.
1:06:56 Speaker 03 That's a good point.
1:06:56 Doug DeMuro? This terrible car that we all want to forget.
1:06:59 Speaker 03 A Mustang hat. They had lots of good swag.
1:07:01 Speaker 02 What'd you give up?
1:07:03 Doug DeMuro? They just invited me, by the way, to the press launch for it. Um, I'm not going to go because it is in Vermont.
1:07:10 Speaker 03 What? New Hampshire is right there.
1:07:14 Doug DeMuro? It's a bunch more of a New Hampshire car.
1:07:16 Speaker 03 It's a New Hampshire car for sure.
1:07:17 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, it's in Vermont. I'm not going, but you should go.
1:07:19 Speaker 03 Noted.
1:07:20 Doug DeMuro? Uh, or you. You ever want to go to a press launch in Vermont?
1:07:22 Speaker 03 I think I'm busy that day.
1:07:24 Doug DeMuro? It's, they're going to do it in the snow.
1:07:26 Speaker 03 Oh, that would be fun.
1:07:27 Doug DeMuro? In snow. They're going to run it out some sort of snow thing for the 550, for the four door ones, the 550 horsepower and the 420 horsepower.
1:07:33 Speaker 03 Dodge, invite me, I'll be there.
1:07:34 Doug DeMuro? That looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. Unfortunately, it's nine planes to get to Burlington, so I won't be going. Uh, okay, questions. First question comes from final. Oh, by the way, the questions this week were not good. They were not good.
1:07:47 Speaker 03 Shame.
1:07:50 Speaker 03 Shame you listeners.
1:07:53 Doug DeMuro? If you want to ask us questions, go to the community tab. We will post a post asking us to ask, asking for questions. Folks, think of your best stuff. Nick's going to be back on the pod next week. Crazy Nick, ask your crazy questions. I want to, I want to answer the best and brightest and most special questions.
1:08:09 Speaker 03 There were 371 questions.
1:08:11 Doug DeMuro? I went through literally all of them and they were not as good. His previous weeks. Nonetheless, there are, I found nine or so good ones.
1:08:17 Speaker 02 All right.
1:08:18 Doug DeMuro? From Final Funky Pants, who handled a nostalgic nameplate worse? GM with the Blazer or Honda with the Prelude? I'm gonna answer this and I'll take, then you guys can. The Honda Prelude is one of the most, the worst abominations in the history of the automobile. It's, it was absolutely horribly redone. It's ridiculous car. Underpowered, overpriced, not gonna sell. The answer is the Blazer.
1:08:42 Speaker 02 No doubt about it.
1:08:44 Speaker 03 If we can only pick between those two.
1:08:46 Doug DeMuro? Well, what else would be, you give me.
1:08:48 Speaker 03 The Ford Thunderbird.
1:08:49 Speaker 02 No.
1:08:51 Doug DeMuro? The, the, the, the boomer, the boomer Thunderbird. The boomer Thunderbird, I mean, that's what the boomers wanted, dude. I posted my video review kind of knocking it and the comments were like, you don't understand this car. They gave people what they wanted.
1:09:04 Speaker 03 Did they? Is that what we wanted? Like 200 horsepower V8?
1:09:08 Doug DeMuro? It was 300 and that's what the boomers who bought the car wanted. Were you gonna spend 56 on a two-door Lincoln base?
1:09:14 Speaker 03 Okay, there's a lot of examples. I mean, it's not just that, like.
1:09:17 Doug DeMuro? Hit us with some more. I think those are probably the two worst.
1:09:19 Speaker 02 Oh, look at these windows, the porthole windows. That is a clean car.
1:09:23 Speaker 03 This was a complete commercial failure. They could not give them away.
1:09:27 Speaker 02 10 grand on the secondary market. They're not really valuable.
1:09:30 Doug DeMuro? You know, I actually, I actually enjoyed driving it. It's, it's a pretty comfortable, like, you know, kind of cruiser type car, which I think is what it's for.
1:09:37 Speaker 03 It's honestly aged well, where now it looks like, like a concept car that escaped the museum.
1:09:42 Speaker 02 Till you look.
1:09:43 Speaker 03 But the inside is bad.
1:09:43 Doug DeMuro? The interior has some bright spots.
1:09:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:09:50 Doug DeMuro? In the dark. But what is worse? I think Blazer is the worst of all time.
1:09:56 Speaker 02 For sure. The Prelude at, by the end of the run in 2002 was a dated product too. Like the nameplate had kind of lost.
1:10:02 Doug DeMuro? People don't talk about the fact that that fifth gen Prelude had, was not really particularly beloved even then. Now, over the years, we look back with rose colored glasses and has become beloved. But like, I was there and I remember people complaining even then that it was front wheel drive and underpowered.
1:10:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, because it was.
1:10:18 Doug DeMuro? Now, these days, I think it's a pretty cool car. Click on that one.
1:10:20 Speaker 02 It is incredible. There's the JDM one.
1:10:22 Doug DeMuro? Good picture.
1:10:23 Speaker 02 Incredibly cool, but I think the nameplate didn't have that much value at a certain point. The Blazer nameplate, though.
1:10:29 Doug DeMuro? Especially when Bronco and Wrangler and 4Runner are here selling hundreds of thousands of units a year. And GM looked at that and they're like, let's do a unibody crossover that only sells to rental fleets. It is one of the most laughable mismanagements in the entire history of laughable mismanagement.
1:10:47 Speaker 02 This was the direct predecessor.
1:10:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but that happens. Like, the 4th gen Camaro wasn't amazing and then the 5th gen came out and it was incredible. Like, that happens. Nameplates kind of die off. The Mustang in 04, the new Edge, had kind of, we were kind of wondering if the Mustang was gonna die completely. And then 05 shows up, one of the great redesigns in car history. Like, they could have done that with the Blazer, too.
1:11:06 Speaker 02 Also, this one looks kind of cool.
1:11:07 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah. The ZR2. It's a lot cooler than any of the trash they're making now.
1:11:13 Speaker 03 I give the Blazer some benefit of the doubt, that I just think that they were gonna build that car anyways, and then they just slapped the wrong name on it. Like, that's what they screwed up. The Blazer should have been an off-road car. They could have still made what is the Blazer and just named it like some forgettable midsize SUV, whatever. Like, it's just the nameplate.
1:11:31 Doug DeMuro? GM is so afraid of making off-road cars. They're like Honda, except, except the problem is their core products also are bad.
1:11:39 Doug DeMuro? But like the Trail Boss, like, they won't, they won't just go and make a Raptor or make a Raptor R or whatever, like, or this. The Blazer. Like, the market is so clearly demanding these vehicles and they won't go do it.
1:11:52 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:11:53 Doug DeMuro? I also find it weird that ZR1 is a Corvette and ZR2.
1:12:26 Doug DeMuro? That's a really good point. ZR5, here's a very interesting trivia. Do you remember what ZR5 was?
1:12:33 Speaker 03 No.
1:12:33 Doug DeMuro? ZR5 was a slightly off-road trim level of the last generation Chevy S10 with four doors. Type in, I bet we've sold one. I bet we've sold one. Type in ZR5 and see if it pops up.
1:12:47 Speaker 03 Nope.
1:12:48 Doug DeMuro? Ah, what a shame. I saw one on the road the other day.
1:12:50 Speaker 03 Nope.
1:12:51 Doug DeMuro? Type in S10 ZR5. You remember the S-dime, dude?
1:12:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, oh yeah.
1:12:55 Doug DeMuro? That was it.
1:12:55 Speaker 03 Ah.
1:12:56 Doug DeMuro? It looked nice.
1:12:57 Speaker 03 They just sold two of them, yeah.
1:12:58 Doug DeMuro? The ZR5.
1:13:00 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:13:00 Doug DeMuro? You're thinking, where's the ZR3 and the ZR4?
1:13:02 Speaker 03 No. I don't think I had any such thing.
1:13:05 Doug DeMuro? What was the?
1:13:05 Speaker 03 The ZX5 was the Focus 5-door.
1:13:07 Doug DeMuro? And the ZR3.
1:13:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:13:09 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. You got, you don't have a nostalgic nameplate worse handled than Blazer? You're over here talking, but I don't hear you with one.
1:13:15 Speaker 03 I'd have to do a little more deep research, but the 500 was handled beautifully. If you have 500, I'm not saying that as the owner of one. I'm like, truly, that was like a successful rebrand.
1:13:25 Doug DeMuro? The Bronco.
1:13:26 Speaker 03 Really successful.
1:13:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, a lot of, a lot of times they've done it well. Not that one, not the Blazer.
1:13:31 Speaker 03 The Challenger, pretty good.
1:13:32 Doug DeMuro? I don't even think, relative to the Blazer, I don't even think it was that bad. Uh, okay, next question from T. Bearert. If you had all the money in the world, which automaker would you pay to do a special one-off car and what car would it be?
1:13:43 Speaker 03 Lamo.
1:13:44 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah.
1:13:45 Speaker 03 Lamborghini Lamo 2. Finally make me one. I want it limited production. I want it with a V12. Like, like, kinda like that with that Veyron, which I think is the obvious answer here. Give me a Lamo.
1:13:56 Doug DeMuro? LM002 revival.
1:13:57 Speaker 03 That wouldn't break down every 20 miles.
1:13:59 Doug DeMuro? LM002 revival. Would you accept an Urus with the, like a Santa Cruz Urus?
1:14:03 Speaker 03 Uh, if done extremely well, they could reuse some Urus parts, sure.
1:14:08 Doug DeMuro? I wouldn't.
1:14:09 Speaker 03 I, I wouldn't prefer not.
1:14:10 Doug DeMuro? Let's go off-roading. We got all the money in the world. All of it. We want a Lamo.
1:14:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I want it to look like the original Lamo.
1:14:17 Doug DeMuro? Just modernize.
1:14:18 Speaker 03 Like, just, yeah, modernize, tweak it a little here, give me like a decent interior.
1:14:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:14:22 Speaker 03 And powertrain.
1:14:22 Doug DeMuro? Stick, three pet?
1:14:24 Speaker 03 Ooh.
1:14:25 Doug DeMuro? You're not a three-pet guy, no, but no.
1:14:26 Speaker 03 Hey, hey, hey.
1:14:29 Doug DeMuro? You got it?
1:14:29 Speaker 03 On off-road vehicles, generally speaking, automatics are preferable.
1:14:33 Doug DeMuro? And on your sports cars. So anyway, the only manual you have is a diesel hatchback. And you're getting rid of it because you want out.
1:14:42 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:14:42 Speaker 02 He doesn't know how to drive it.
1:14:43 Doug DeMuro? For me, I'd probably, LMO would be behind my list. I would definitely want a modernized F40. That'd be really cool.
1:14:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:48 Doug DeMuro? With a manual.
1:14:49 Speaker 03 Did Lewis Hamilton ever end up making one?
1:14:50 Doug DeMuro? There was talk about that, but then he raced poorly, I guess. I didn't really.
1:14:53 Speaker 03 And now he's dating Kim Kardashian allegedly.
1:14:55 Doug DeMuro? There's not, it's not happening.
1:14:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:57 Doug DeMuro? So what you got?
1:14:58 Speaker 03 Got nothing.
1:14:59 Doug DeMuro? You got nothing?
1:15:00 Speaker 03 Nothing. Not how my brain works.
1:15:02 Speaker 02 So some kind of a car that should be a manual that isn't a manual, make that a manual wagon.
1:15:07 Doug DeMuro? Make that a manual wagon.
1:15:08 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. Shooting brake recommissions.
1:15:11 Speaker 02 A C8 E-Ray manual wagon.
1:15:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I mean, a, a, a, a, a long roof version of the C8 would be really cool. Or a Cayman. I, I, I remember when they offered that, when they were gonna offer that, like.
1:15:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:15:21 Doug DeMuro? Cut, make your own program. I had like talked about that and nobody did anything. Um, those are all possibilities. The Mule is a good one. The Mule is a good.
1:15:29 Speaker 03 The Veyron from last week's pot is kind of the, I don't know. I think that's probably the correct answer to the question.
1:15:36 Speaker 02 Can I propose a better looking Toyota Sienna?
1:15:38 Doug DeMuro? Uh, no, you can't. Uh, okay. Next question, uh.
1:15:43 Speaker 03 You wasted your genie wish then.
1:15:45 Doug DeMuro? Next question from Quasi Brad. This question's for you guys.
1:15:49 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:15:50 Doug DeMuro? It's about me, but it's for you guys. Dear Doug, what do you think you'd be doing professionally if YouTube didn't pan out? Uh, would you have gone back in the industry? Would you have done something else? What do you think I would be doing if YouTube hadn't have panned out?
1:16:04 Speaker 03 I think you would have been that guy that goes on Jeopardy and wins a couple of times in a row.
1:16:07 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:16:08 Speaker 03 Just a couple.
1:16:08 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. That's not really a career, though. I think the question is more like.
1:16:11 Speaker 03 Well, you would have had like, kind of like a mid-manager role or something, but never been able to go past mid-manager because of your people skills. Like, you would have told off your boss and like, kind of just got stuck at some level. But you would have then gone on Jeopardy and everyone's like, wow, that guy's really smart. And then.
1:16:27 Doug DeMuro? That's a fair point.
1:16:28 Speaker 03 And then we'd never would hear from you again.
1:16:29 Doug DeMuro? Okay. I mean, Jeopardy, you win a few times, you win maybe 40 grand pre-tax.
1:16:34 Speaker 02 Per, per episode. If you're doing well, you're in your 40s.
1:16:36 Speaker 03 You would have gone big in like the early 2000s on Jeopardy when that was like something.
1:16:39 Doug DeMuro? The early 2000s, Nick, I, I.
1:16:42 Speaker 03 You could have bought a house.
1:16:43 Doug DeMuro? I turned 12 in 2000. You could have bought a house. Okay, Sleepy, but what's the answer?
1:16:50 Speaker 02 I think for a while you have gone back into that, like into like vehicle allocation management.
1:16:55 Doug DeMuro? I would have gone back into it for a bit.
1:16:57 Speaker 02 I think you would have been really bored there and also you're too intelligent and driven to stay in the thing like that.
1:17:03 Doug DeMuro? Oh my god, he's saying people don't stay in the car industry if they're smart.
1:17:06 Speaker 02 No, no.
1:17:06 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna say that about Tim Koenig's? I promise.
1:17:11 Speaker 02 I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. I do think Jeopardy Champion was a real pathway that you should have considered.
1:17:16 Doug DeMuro? And honestly, you should still.
1:17:18 Speaker 03 And probably about the same odds as making it big on YouTube.
1:17:20 Doug DeMuro? No, it's definitely, definitely higher odds of being Jeopardy Champion, of which there have been thousands. But meanwhile, on YouTube, only me and Hoovy have ever made it big. Am I right?
1:17:30 Speaker 03 You guys are crushing it.
1:17:31 Doug DeMuro? I saw Hoovy four times at Barrett-Jackson, each time he had bought another car from the previous time.
1:17:38 Doug DeMuro? Oh, man.
1:17:39 Speaker 03 Dude was killing it.
1:17:40 Doug DeMuro? I'll tell you this, though. It's February. You know what that means?
1:17:42 Speaker 02 He's gotta sell them all by April 15th.
1:17:44 Doug DeMuro? Tax time here in the United States, April 15th, you gotta assume.
1:17:48 Speaker 02 Surely he has to pay quarterly.
1:17:50 Doug DeMuro? Well, but he doesn't. That's one of his things. You gotta assume that I'm gonna get a text from Hoovy here in the next few weeks saying he's gotta sell some, panic, sell some stuff on Cars and Bikes.
1:17:57 Speaker 02 Hoovy just texts us now.
1:17:58 Speaker 03 I've done my part.
1:17:59 Speaker 02 I've done my part.
1:18:00 Doug DeMuro? That might mean that he gets to come back on this podcast, because usually we pay him some honorarium and he comes to do a pod with us.
1:18:07 Speaker 03 I tried to buy him out of the, I guess I shouldn't out what car he got, but he got a car at Barrett-Jackson that I was trying to buy him out of, but didn't, was unsuccessful.
1:18:16 Doug DeMuro? Why didn't you just buy it at Barrett-Jackson, you nincompoop? Oh, I'm sorry. It's the people skills. It's the people skills.
1:18:22 Speaker 03 Yes, yes. That's why you're gonna be a middle manager forever.
1:18:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, right. Okay, next question. This is another one about me that you guys can answer.
1:18:30 Speaker 03 Oh, sure.
1:18:30 Doug DeMuro? From Ramtin underscore. Hey Doug, you've mentioned you prefer reviewing cars locally due to family and logistics. Yeah, I do prefer it.
1:18:39 Speaker 02 Most people prefer convenience over inconvenience, yes.
1:18:43 Doug DeMuro? Filippo's laughing because it's not, it's not even about preference, it's an only.
1:18:48 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:18:48 Doug DeMuro? If you received an offer to review absolutely any car in the world and could actually drive it, what is one holy grail car that make you drop everything and fly anywhere? Filippo, go ahead and answer the question. I think you know the answer.
1:18:56 Speaker 02 Doug's answer is gonna be nothing.
1:18:58 Doug DeMuro? That's wrong.
1:18:58 Speaker 02 That's not the, that's not the real answer.
1:19:00 Speaker 03 He was offered the telltale sign, Columbus, when he was in Italy and he turned it down.
1:19:04 Doug DeMuro? Offered to me, I was two hours away with my family and I said no.
1:19:06 Speaker 02 I think if somebody says, here's all of these cars and this history.
1:19:10 Doug DeMuro? You're thinking about the Sultan.
1:19:11 Speaker 02 I think of the Sultan.
1:19:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's true.
1:19:13 Doug DeMuro? I will say.
1:19:14 Speaker 02 You'd go.
1:19:14 Doug DeMuro? Sultan would work. If the logistics all worked out and the Sultan thing worked out and I could get a full week in Brunei and pick and choose, I could come home, you know, after six days with 12, 13 videos shot.
1:19:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, you'd do it.
1:19:26 Doug DeMuro? And we would finally have an insight into what some of those cars are like.
1:19:30 Speaker 02 Which of Brunei's seasons would you go in?
1:19:34 Doug DeMuro? I don't do well in the heat. Yeah. Which is the problem because there's only ever heat. I assume I would shoot the whole thing indoors, but I also assume they don't have air conditioning.
1:19:41 Speaker 03 What about Japan for the Aspar Al?
1:19:43 Doug DeMuro? It's made in Italy, okay?
1:19:45 Speaker 03 Are you sure?
1:19:46 Speaker 02 Nobody knows.
1:19:47 Speaker 03 Nobody asks, they claim it is.
1:19:48 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. Two more questions and then I have to leave. Um.
1:19:52 Speaker 02 What?
1:19:53 Doug DeMuro? Yep. Next question.
1:19:54 Speaker 02 For a hatchback, a good looking car.
1:19:56 Doug DeMuro? 63 Splitty. At what number, this is for you, I think. At what number does the 570S become a good buy? 105, we sold one the other day, right? For 105.
1:20:05 Speaker 02 Sold one today.
1:20:06 Speaker 03 Did it go, did it end today?
1:20:07 Speaker 02 What did it sell for?
1:20:08 Speaker 03 I'm into that one. They're there, I think.
1:20:11 Doug DeMuro? Oh!
1:20:11 Speaker 03 Under 100 for a 570S is there.
1:20:14 Doug DeMuro? 89 it sold for, but 61,000 miles.
1:20:17 Speaker 03 That was a cool spec.
1:20:18 Doug DeMuro? This one?
1:20:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:20:19 Doug DeMuro? 61,000 miles.
1:20:20 Speaker 02 Yeah. And also was titled in Kansas.
1:20:23 Doug DeMuro? It's got a, that's a, that's a Tennessee.
1:20:25 Speaker 02 Tennessee, sorry. I misremembered.
1:20:26 Doug DeMuro? It's in Tesla Vista.
1:20:27 Speaker 02 It's in San Diego, but no.
1:20:29 Doug DeMuro? Titled in Kansas or Tennessee. I don't think that really matters that much.
1:20:34 Speaker 02 Who told me the stories? We sold, we are, one failed to sell with 57,000.
1:20:39 Doug DeMuro? What's the number? Would you buy one of these?
1:20:41 Speaker 03 I mean, I.
1:20:41 Doug DeMuro? You're an automatic transmission guy. Where would you, where would you hop in?
1:20:44 Speaker 03 I think 89 is a quite compelling number.
1:20:47 Doug DeMuro? It is quite compelling.
1:20:48 Speaker 03 I, I would hop in there. If I were in the market for another automatic sports car.
1:20:52 Doug DeMuro? This is like a 560, that's why you're not calling on the Diablo. It's three pedals and you're done.
1:20:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, that must be it.
1:20:58 Doug DeMuro? He doesn't know how to drive manual.
1:21:00 Speaker 03 I'll swap it to an auto.
1:21:02 Doug DeMuro? Um, okay.
1:21:04 Speaker 02 It's a real car.
1:21:05 Doug DeMuro? Last question from that million mile Volvo. Which dead car manufacturer do you miss the most? And why is it Saab? I, it's not Saab for me. I'll tell you what mine is, but you go ahead first.
1:21:17 Speaker 02 Please go first.
1:21:17 Doug DeMuro? Yours is Saab.
1:21:18 Speaker 02 Of course, but please go first. But you know, Saab didn't die when it stopped production. Saab died in about 1998. When GM took majority ownership.
1:21:26 Doug DeMuro? There is a, damn, this is like a hipster. Like Saab, Saab died first when GM showed up and it died second when it actually died.
1:21:36 Speaker 02 Uh, by the way, the actual answer was became a sole wholly owned subsidiary in 2000.
1:21:41 Doug DeMuro? 2000, I remember the day it was a big deal. Nick, what's your, what's your favorite dead car brand?
1:21:47 Speaker 02 It's on my actual, is that my answer?
1:21:49 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, of course. What do you mean?
1:21:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:21:50 Doug DeMuro? The key went in the center.
1:21:52 Speaker 02 I know, it's so.
1:21:52 Doug DeMuro? They had a V4.
1:21:54 Speaker 02 So I did, there's a channel where somebody did a bunch of work for Saab. I did a whole 15 minute bit about why Saab was special for this kid's YouTube channel. It's great.
1:22:02 Doug DeMuro? What do you got?
1:22:03 Speaker 03 I'm going to guess that you're going to say Saturn.
1:22:05 Speaker 02 No, I am absolutely not. Although it is a shape, same with Scion.
1:22:10 Doug DeMuro? Neither are a shape. Nick, what's yours? Come on.
1:22:13 Speaker 03 Um, I think DeLorean got a bad shake.
1:22:18 Speaker 02 Or you say Autobianchi?
1:22:20 Speaker 03 I was tempted to say Packard initially.
1:22:22 Doug DeMuro? Oh my God, that's actually not a bad one.
1:22:24 Speaker 03 But, um.
1:22:25 Doug DeMuro? DeLorean is embarrassing.
1:22:27 Speaker 03 I, I think also Mercury I miss. The Mountaineer.
1:22:30 Doug DeMuro? What Mercury?
1:22:30 Speaker 03 Legend.
1:22:31 Doug DeMuro? The Mountaineer.
1:22:32 Speaker 02 The legend was inaccurate.
1:22:33 Speaker 03 Like there's still a strong part of me that wants to buy Fords and rebadged them as Mercury's.
1:22:37 Doug DeMuro? Oh, go back.
1:22:38 Speaker 02 Why not?
1:22:38 Doug DeMuro? All right.
1:22:39 Speaker 03 Change the grills to be.
1:22:40 Doug DeMuro? The correct answer is Pontiac.
1:22:43 Speaker 03 You missed the G6?
1:22:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, dude, there was a G6 GXP that had a massive powertrain and massive front end that looked like, if you pull up the G6 GXP, it looked like the new M3. Pull it up. It looked like the new M3.
1:22:57 Doug DeMuro? People are like, oh, the M3. Pontiac had it first. Pontiac had everything first. And I'll tell you this.
1:23:02 Speaker 03 Oh, you haven't sold a lot, have you?
1:23:05 Doug DeMuro? No, Missy Elliott. They did a hardtop convertible. That's not it, by the way. That's not the GXP. I want to make it clear that, but they did do a hardtop convertible like the SL, by the way. Um. But also, they were GM's performance brand.
1:23:18 Speaker 03 You're the first person since their own marketing team to compare it to that.
1:23:22 Doug DeMuro? There was a blown... You know what the crazy thing about this car was? There was also a soft top convertible. There was a blown V6 that they did a lot of cars with. There was a V8 that went into the Grand Prix. Do you remember the Grand Prix?
1:23:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, GXP, GTP.
1:23:38 Doug DeMuro? Well, yeah, there was that, but that was the supercharged one.
1:23:40 Speaker 03 Look at that. Look at that.
1:23:41 Doug DeMuro? Then they did the Grand Prix GXP, which had a V8. That was serious. That was a North Star. Yes! This! Look at that grill! You think the M3 nostrils are something? This is a beaver!
1:23:51 Speaker 03 God, that was tough. That is, that's a lot.
1:23:53 Doug DeMuro? It was ugly. Although I will say, when I was in Detroit just filming the Celestic, guess what was parked in the GM campus?
1:23:58 Speaker 03 No.
1:23:59 Doug DeMuro? Someone had one of these. Living the dream. I miss Pontiac. It was the excitement brand. The Solstice GXP, the Grand Prix GTP Super 6, and the GXP V8. The G8, the G6, the G8! Which was a crazy cool car, brought from Australia, rear-wheel drive, manual. Everybody's like, "Oh, Chevy SS, Pontiac G8!" All of the cars were cool, except the Torrent at the very end.
1:24:22 Speaker 03 And the G3 in Canada. And the Vibe.
1:24:24 Doug DeMuro? The G3 Wave.
1:24:26 Speaker 03 G3 Wave?
1:24:27 Doug DeMuro? I think it was called technically the G3 Wave.
1:24:30 Speaker 03 I can't go down this road.
1:24:33 Doug DeMuro? Um, anyway.
1:24:35 Speaker 03 I also want to revise the revived nameplate one. Ford Lightning. Gen 2 Lightning, overnight parts from Japan to an EV pickup.
1:24:43 Doug DeMuro? EV pickup was faster and better in every way!
1:24:46 Speaker 03 I think that was a mistake.
1:24:48 Doug DeMuro? Look, the point is, Pontiac, we miss you dearly.
1:24:51 Speaker 03 I do.
1:24:51 Doug DeMuro? For some reason, GM kept Buick, which I think has no redeeming qualities. But Pontiac had real performance. There was love there. And instead, they took it away from us, right when a new Firebird was about to come out.
1:25:04 Speaker 03 Well, that would have been nice.
1:25:05 Doug DeMuro? Thank you. That's your answer, and that's your podcast for this week. The finest we've ever done. Nick, do you have any parting thoughts or anything you want to shout out?
1:25:12 Speaker 03 Yes. Follow me on Cars in Bed Seller profile. Maybe keep following Filippo or not, that's up to you.
1:25:22 Speaker 02 Well, I like that you're not trying to get people to watch YouTube content. Or anything else that-
1:25:26 Doug DeMuro? The only thing that matters to him-
1:25:27 Speaker 02 Is a leaderboard.
1:25:28 Doug DeMuro? Cars and bids leaderboard.
1:25:29 Speaker 03 Which, it's important that I have this vanity metric. It provides me no utility in the real world, but I would like it.
1:25:36 Speaker 02 Reputation scores in porn, number of cars sold?
1:25:39 Speaker 03 Car value sold, I will never win.
1:25:41 Speaker 02 No.
1:25:42 Speaker 03 No.
1:25:42 Speaker 02 Wow. Cars won, you clearly will never win.
1:25:45 Speaker 03 That's 77, that's impressive.
1:25:46 Speaker 02 That's real.
1:25:47 Doug DeMuro? Legit. Okay, that's Nick. Flippo, you got anything to plug yours? Yeah, go to Cars and Bids. Our app is great, I'm told.
1:25:52 Speaker 02 Our app is great. Truly, if you have an iPhone, download the app, you'll love it.
1:25:56 Doug DeMuro? The app's great, the podcast is great, everything we do is great. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you for watching the Cars and Bids podcast, or maybe it's the Doug Demure, I don't know. This car pod. Goodbye!
1:26:06 Speaker 02 There you go.
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