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• 1:03Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Filippo. And let's start with the news. And we begin, once again, with tariffs in this rather confusing graphic.

• 1:15Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk a little bit, just a little bit, about tariffs. Like, two, last week, we covered the main thrust of the news story, 25% tariffs on all imported cars and some large car parts. Yeah.

• 1:26Doug DeMuro?

  Couple of developments have happened. I don't want to rehash that whole thing, but a couple of developments have happened. One is that, when asked about car prices rising this week, the president said that he couldn't care less. Yep. Great quote. Yep. So, that's interesting. I mean, this is a storied American industry that employs hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people between dealerships and production and the corporate offices and somewhere in the supply chain. Yep. Totally, logistics. So he couldn't care less, which I thought was interesting. One other thing that I've been thinking a lot about with tariffs that I wanted to voice... Trump has said that we're getting screwed and that we're gonna make all the money. Yeah. You know who's gonna make the money? The government.

• 2:12Doug DeMuro?

  It's not us. Who's we? We, we, got it, got it. You, you know, you understand what I'm saying? This is really starting to hit me lately. Like, like Trump said, oh, we're getting screwed by these other countries. Now we're gonna charge them money and we're gonna make more. No, we're not. We're gonna pay more.

• 2:26Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 2:27Doug DeMuro?

  The government is gonna make more.

• 2:28Speaker 05

  It would be beneficial if that money then went back into government programs, which are being cut by Dose. So it's not really.

• 2:33Doug DeMuro?

  Or, or just into our hands.

• 2:34Speaker 06

  The, the, the Trump administration is, is also counting on tariffs to offset a lot of tax cuts. That there's a renewal also in, in Congress now.

• 2:42Doug DeMuro?

  Show me the tax cuts.

• 2:43Speaker 06

  Right. But, but, but a lot of their math around tax cuts does include a lot of revenues from tariffs offsetting losses and tax.

• 2:50Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, but my point here is the tariffs are being pitched as a way for us to make money. I think that us in this case is the government. It will actually cost us money. And in my remembrance, when the liberals raised taxes, they call that a tax hike and things cost. And then, and then we lose some of our money. They call it a tax hike. How is this not also a tax hike?

• 3:11Speaker 06

  No, no, it is.

• 3:12Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 3:13Speaker 06

  Um, there's a couple of things that are also worth saying about tariffs that came out after we recorded last week. So, uh, car parts being one of them, uh, car parts are included in tariffs. To some extent, unclear where that delineation starts and ends. And in theory, components that are made in the U.S., but then used in final production that happens outside of the U.S., the value of those components will be factored in to offset the tariff cost.

• 3:36Doug DeMuro?

  Good luck.

• 3:37Speaker 06

  So like, in theory, like, let's say you ship something that you produce half the value of a car in the U.S.

• 3:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:42Speaker 06

  That you're only paying tariffs on half the.

• 3:44Doug DeMuro?

  They will figure it out. They, the car, the car mark, the car makers are required to, uh, to like issue statements about precisely what percentage of parts comes from various countries and regions. So it's actually doable. So then the car is only partially tariffed.

• 4:00Speaker 06

  But like, how much of the value? Just for the component, like when, does the final installation add value? Does it not? The, if you look through enough government website pages where there is some guidance, it becomes very clear that nobody knows quite yet. The government has basically said, we're gonna figure that out for right. We will backdate.

• 4:20Speaker 06

  Savings, I guess, once we figure it out from when tariffs go back.

• 4:24Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, it's just totally insane, but I do think that that something that is being not really considered here is that Trump's like, oh, we're gonna win. And the very few Americans support the tariffs.

• 4:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:32Doug DeMuro?

  It is a vast minority, a vastly small minority, but the part who do seem to believe this, we're gonna win. And the more I think about it, the more I realize the we who's gonna win is the government. We are going to lose. And in fact, as I've even thought about it more, the the COVID markups, the adjusted dealer markup is back. But this time, the the moneymaker is the government.

• 4:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:56Doug DeMuro?

  The government is issuing markups.

• 4:58Speaker 06

  It's been interesting to see how different manufacturers are planning on rolling these out. For example, Volkswagen said today that they're gonna keep prices the same for the first two weeks of April, and then in the middle of April, they're gonna announce to dealerships how prices will increase.

• 5:10Doug DeMuro?

  Well.

• 5:11Speaker 06

  But on window stickers, it will read manufacturer's adjusted resale price, and then like import fee to delineate where that comes.

• 5:18Doug DeMuro?

  On that subject, our next news story for the day is this exact subject, which is Ferrari, who also made an announcement. Ferrari announced that they are going to just increase prices on their desirable cars, which is the F80 and the 12-cylinder.

• 5:31Speaker 06

  Desirable cars.

• 5:33Doug DeMuro?

  Those are the desirable Ferraris. The F80 is desirable.

• 5:36Speaker 06

  The F80 is desirable.

• 5:36Doug DeMuro?

  And and and hypercar prices have always kind of fluctuated.

• 5:39Speaker 06

  Not desirable?

• 5:40Doug DeMuro?

  In the Purosangue. They're gonna they're gonna increase prices on Purosangue.

• 5:42Speaker 06

  I'm glad they've admitted publicly that some of their models are a little bit less desirable.

• 5:46Doug DeMuro?

  And Roma and SF90, they are not going to be increasing prices.

• 5:49Speaker 06

  They said they said.

• 5:50Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't I didn't read about 296. I assume it's included in the pricing.

• 5:53Speaker 06

  296, SF90, and Roma are not going.

• 5:55Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, 296 won't change.

• 5:56Speaker 06

  How is that?

• 5:57Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, that's it's more competitive. That segment's more competitive.

• 5:59Speaker 06

  It is. And they also said they're gonna cap the increases at 10%.

• 6:02Doug DeMuro?

  10%.

• 6:02Speaker 06

  Don't go beyond that.

• 6:03Doug DeMuro?

  However.

• 6:03Speaker 06

  But that's a lot. You're talking about a lot of.

• 6:05Doug DeMuro?

  On a 12-cylinder, that's gotta be $40,000.

• 6:08Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 6:09Doug DeMuro?

  12%, 40.

• 6:10Speaker 06

  I mean, or 50, yes, somewhere in that range.

• 6:12Doug DeMuro?

  Again, the federal government is doing ADMs. Everybody who complained about markups, if you're supporting this, the federal government is doing markups. And again, that money is not going to us. It is going to him and the government. It is insane. So but regardless, that's what I was doing. Mercedes Benz announced that they are thinking of simply not importing their low end cars because their margin on the low end

• 6:37Speaker 06

  Low.

• 6:37Doug DeMuro?

  Low end cars must be pretty small.

• 6:39Speaker 06

  Yep. You have a G63 behind you. You got to imagine that that car has significant margins.

• 6:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 6:44Speaker 06

  Maybe not 25% margins, but if they can increase the price 5%, 10%, eat the rest, they can.

• 6:49Doug DeMuro?

  For a year, six months or whatever.

• 6:51Speaker 06

  On a GLA, good luck, which is what they've said, to be clear.

• 6:53Doug DeMuro?

  And GLA is built in, is that built in Germany?

• 6:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:56Doug DeMuro?

  C-Class?

• 6:57Speaker 06

  I think also.

• 6:58Doug DeMuro?

  CLA?

• 6:59Speaker 06

  Only, only the SUVs that are bigger than the GLA are built here.

• 7:01Doug DeMuro?

  They don't build in Mexico. So Mercedes Benz might just not be sending us the low end cars for a couple model years.

• 7:10Doug DeMuro?

  They haven't decided. Nobody has made full decisions. Even this decision from Volkswagen is a temporary stopgap. The BMW price protection for a month

• 7:18Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 7:18Doug DeMuro?

  Is a temporary stopgap because the automakers aren't really sure how long this is going to last.

• 7:23Speaker 06

  They're not very long and they're also trying to build in, to build, I think Mercedes Benz especially is trying to build as much inventory as they can. Their ports in pretty much any land they own is, I think, full of cars. That's because they can get those imported before April 3rd.

• 7:36Doug DeMuro?

  But it's hard. I mean, these were announced two weeks ago. Having worked in this industry and worked with the logistics people, you can't get these cars on boats that quickly. Like, like the tariffs were announced, then they go into effect. They're not, they're, they're trying to get all the cars port processed right away, I'm sure.

• 7:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:49Doug DeMuro?

  But that doesn't, after that, the cars are on boats, you can't speed up the boats. It's game over. That's it.

• 7:54Speaker 06

  Yep. And also, to be clear.

• 7:55Doug DeMuro?

  You can't speed up the boat.

• 7:57Speaker 06

  You can try. Lot of guidance still pending around how this will work, how calculations will work, but where parts are produced, et cetera. Also, it's still unclear if this 25% is on top of the chicken tax for vans and trucks. We think it is, but it has not been clarified yet. So like, if you're Ineos and you already have a $100,000 pickup in the Quartermaster, is that 125,000?

• 8:20Doug DeMuro?

  I will tell you, that is, I bet, the only vehicle that is chicken taxed.

• 8:24Speaker 06

  There's a few others that are subject to that, I think, but yeah.

• 8:28Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think so.

• 8:29Speaker 06

  Nobody else imports.

• 8:30Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think so. Trucks and vans? I don't think so. I don't think there are any other trucks and vans that are not built here in North America, although they are built in Mexico and Canada, but those were, those were never subjects. The chicken tax only applied outside. Okay.

• 8:42Speaker 06

  Regardless, a lot of guidance still to come.

• 8:44Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of guidance still to come. Insane situation and the government is, we're going to be spending more, everything's going to cost more and the government's going to make more money. That's called a tax hike.

• 8:54Speaker 06

  It's fair framing. By the way, the one thing that came out last week after we recorded is that the Trump administration also floated a tax credit for auto loans. So the interest would be tax deductible, as it is for mortgages generally.

• 9:08Doug DeMuro?

  Give me a break.

• 9:09Speaker 06

  But like, who does that help? Not really people buying.

• 9:11Doug DeMuro?

  And also, it's a small amount. What is, okay, say you have, you have one of those trucks that everybody complains about on Instagram that has a 1300 monthly payment. What is your, what is your, you can only deduct the interest. So what is the interest payment?

• 9:24Speaker 06

  And you can only, not that significant.

• 9:26Doug DeMuro?

  150 bucks of that, 200?

• 9:28Speaker 06

  So like a couple grand, a couple grand a year, yeah.

• 9:30Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, a couple grand a year in total, then you deduct it. So it saves you, even if you're at the highest tax bracket, it saves you $1,000 a year.

• 9:36Speaker 06

  And not if you take the standard deduction.

• 9:38Doug DeMuro?

  I promise you, $1,000 a year, that truck's gonna cost more than $1,000 a year just based on these tariffs. I also just have this deep theory and feeling. I mean, here's Doug on a soapbox. The tariffs are un-American. At the end of the day, this country was founded by founders who created an amazing thing that has been incredibly successful for 250 years and across a vast swath of the world. And this country has always been something that other countries look up to when thinking about constitutions and freedom and the way capitalism can work with a society. And that's because we weren't protectionist. This country went out and competed against the best and we won every single year. We, America succeeds.

• 10:23Doug DeMuro?

  All of the products that we make, all of the things that we do, win against foreign countries. And we didn't need protectionism to do that. And I think it's just not American to, we're gonna protect our industries and hope they work well. Look at the countries that tariff. It ain't the countries you wanna be. Okay, anyway.

• 10:40Speaker 06

  And on that note.

• 10:41Doug DeMuro?

  No disagreement?

• 10:42Speaker 06

  I'm not wrong.

• 10:44Doug DeMuro?

  Let's move on to Aston Martin.

• 10:45Speaker 05

  Yes, so Aston Martin has announced that they are going to do another equity raise. This would be the seventh they have done since 2020.

• 10:53Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 10:53Speaker 05

  Now, we have said previously that Aston Martin is suffering financially. Well, nothing's changed. But it also seems that they are anticipating having a lot of financial troubles going into this. About one third of the cars they produce come to the United States. We're a huge market. Yes, we're a huge market for them.

• 11:10Doug DeMuro?

  And we already know those cars get heavily discounted and incentivized.

• 11:13Speaker 05

  They have problems.

• 11:13Doug DeMuro?

  It's not like Ferrari.

• 11:14Speaker 05

  It's not like Ferrari, though they really want to be and maybe they will be someday if they build really cool stuff. But they aren't right now.

• 11:21Doug DeMuro?

  He believes in Aston. He does. I hope. I'm gonna have hope. Car enthusiasts who are racing, like in theory, it should be everything we love and yet.

• 11:30Speaker 05

  I want to, I just give them, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. They have to deliver on it, but I want to give it to them because they have a 12th sold a car going to Le Mans this year. How cool is that?

• 11:40Doug DeMuro?

  He slipped it in two weeks in a row.

• 11:41Speaker 05

  That's right. That's right. That's what happens when he deprives me of a news story. I'm gonna keep sliding.

• 11:47Speaker 05

  Wait till we get to Le Mans. I'm gonna watch the whole thing. Anyway, anyway.

• 11:50Doug DeMuro?

  So on the pod. It's just gonna be a live.

• 11:53Speaker 05

  24 hours. But yes, they have had issues going to China too. They did a 5% cut in their workforce as a result of sales related to China specifically. So there's a lot going on, but Lawrence Stroll, who is the chairman, has decided that he is going to invest more of his money. He's put $600 million in the company already. He's bought, now he's gonna buy some more of the Formula One team for $52.5 million. So he's like.

• 12:17Doug DeMuro?

  So Stroll himself is putting money in.

• 12:20Speaker 05

  He's a billionaire. He's putting his own money into this brand. Now, part of that is, I think, so his son can have a seat in a Formula One car, which is what everybody believes. But he bought the entire.

• 12:29Doug DeMuro?

  Is the son good?

• 12:30Speaker 05

  Oh, the worst. Not the worst, but he's pretty bad. And it's universally agreed upon that Lance Stroll is not that great.

• 12:37Doug DeMuro?

  Like broad and broady.

• 12:38Speaker 05

  But Fernando Alonso is quite good, but like in next year, they're gonna be formidable. You know, the Formula, we could talk forever about racing.

• 12:44Doug DeMuro?

  Are they gonna take the Valkyrie into Formula One? Oh, what an idea.

• 12:48Speaker 05

  Not how it works.

• 12:49Doug DeMuro?

  Should be. Back in the day, Formula One car, you drive it to the track, you win, you drive it home. Back in the day.

• 12:55Speaker 05

  But no, Lance Stroll is largely known for crashing into things. Yeah, but it is.

• 12:59Doug DeMuro?

  Once, right.

• 13:00Speaker 05

  So it seems this announcement, they're framing it as we need to prepare for tariffs and stuff like that.

• 13:05Doug DeMuro?

  Sure.

• 13:06Speaker 05

  I think Lawrence Stroll just wanted more control over the Formula One team, so he put more money into it.

• 13:09Doug DeMuro?

  So they're doing another capital raise, the seventh capital raise since 20th. This is. Is it even used anymore? I mean, like, no, it's, Aston is, I'm sure they call it a seed continuation, to be fair, but. It's not entirely news in the sense that we know Aston's in trouble. They've always been in trouble. They're still in trouble. And it's a shame because I think, I think if. I think about what their long range plan could be. It seems like it could be cool.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  Well, they've got.

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• 14:31Speaker 05

  They have, yeah, exactly. They have the foundation of what could be, like, it's kind of what Ferrari did. They did really cool stuff on the racetrack. That sold road cars.

• 14:39Doug DeMuro?

  A problem is front engine. Give me a mid-engine car that competes with 296 and give me something that competes with 911.

• 14:46Speaker 06

  296 is a car that's doing great.

• 14:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, honestly, 296 is doing well. It's sold out for years. 911 and 911 Turbo do well. They're sold out for years. Compete there. Do not give us front engine cars anymore. Please.

• 14:57Speaker 05

  I take the R8 approach of giving us something that is mid-engined, cool, exciting, and a true alternative to the existing cars.

• 15:06Doug DeMuro?

  Boom, and price it at 143.

• 15:08Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 15:09Doug DeMuro?

  I'm serious.

• 15:10Speaker 05

  I mean, that's, yeah.

• 15:12Doug DeMuro?

  You give us a stick V8 that looks cool at 143, you win. The R8 was 109 when it came out, and it changed Audi forever.

• 15:20Speaker 05

  Exactly. And I'm not saying Aston Martin is exactly, has the same formula and that you're not selling Q3s.

• 15:26Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 15:26Speaker 05

  But like, they, I think that's a viable route for them, and they should really consider something.

• 15:31Doug DeMuro?

  The problem is they don't want to spend the money to develop a mid-engine car. But one of the things that I've realized, it's Nissan's problem too. You either Spend the money and win, or don't spend the money and lose. You may spend the money and lose, but if you don't spend the money, you're not going to win.

• 15:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:43Doug DeMuro?

  Like Nissan is not going to become successful by building the same trash they have built. And I just, Aston doesn't build trash, but like, give us a mid-engine sports car. Give us a...

• 15:54Speaker 05

  I totally agree with that. I love the front engine V12 stuff. I'm not saying you can't build that stuff too.

• 15:58Doug DeMuro?

  But we know with Ferrari.

• 15:59Speaker 05

  We know with Ferrari.

• 16:00Doug DeMuro?

  The front engine V12s are not as successful.

• 16:02Speaker 05

  But they, they, yes, they are tremendously more expensive. They sold a much more niche group of clients. If you want to sell to the masses who want mid-engine sports cars, which is clear by, I mean, Porsche's not mid-engine, but from all the other success that McLaren.

• 16:13Doug DeMuro?

  But it is a true sports car. And I think, I think Aston sits here and they seize this. They see this and they say, no, we're Aston. We don't build, it's too sporty for Aston.

• 16:21Speaker 05

  It's that stubborn, British, stiff upper lip. Like, that's great. You want to make money or not? You want to be around? It's, it's pretty simple. You want Lawrence Stowe to keep pumping money?

• 16:30Doug DeMuro?

  Do that and do a G-Wagon and you're game over. Instead of a DBX, which is a boring, non-appellable, do that and do a G-Wagon and you're game.

• 16:38Speaker 05

  Equivalent, yeah, yeah.

• 16:39Doug DeMuro?

  You will sell that the hell out of that in the Middle East. You will sell the hell out of that here in the US. Retool that factory where they're building the DBX for a G-Wagon. An Aston G-Wagon. Of course, then Mercedes will probably stop selling a engine.

• 16:50Speaker 05

  That's probably true.

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• 18:15Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next news story.

• 18:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 18:17Doug DeMuro?

  Ooh, new cars on a truck.

• 18:18Speaker 06

  My favorite in Massachusetts, no less. Q1 is over. We're in April now. That means that Q1 sales numbers are coming in from different manufacturers.

• 18:27Doug DeMuro?

  Looking at sales numbers.

• 18:28Speaker 06

  I do love it so much. Long story short, March, exceptional month for almost everybody. Especially the last two weeks. Everybody in response to the tariffs has gone out and bought a car, knowing that cars would be more expensive.

• 18:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 18:43Speaker 06

  Subaru had their 32nd in a row month of month of a month growth and is their best month ever. Yeah. That's not made up fact. That is a true statement.

• 18:53Doug DeMuro?

  32 months in a row, three years of growth.

• 18:56Speaker 06

  Yep, just about. Kia and Hyundai combined had record sales in March and in Q1. But there are a couple of exceptions. You want to guess what they are? There's two big brands.

• 19:06Doug DeMuro?

  I'm looking at it here, but I would have guessed it anyway. Tesla is undoubtedly an exception. I've already read all the news.

• 19:11Speaker 06

  Was down 13% globally, 5.8% in the US.

• 19:13Doug DeMuro?

  13% globally. That's Q1 this year versus Q1 last year. So the question is, to what extent do we think that it's EVs? To what extent do we think that it's 5.6% down in the US? Do we think that it's people who don't want to associate with Elon?

• 19:25Speaker 06

  Certainly the latter. It was down 5.6% in the US, so less impacted here than in Europe certainly.

• 19:30Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 19:31Speaker 06

  Which is very Elon tied.

• 19:31Doug DeMuro?

  Which has been a big market for Tesla.

• 19:33Speaker 06

  And other manufacturers, including Kia, Hyundai, had record EV sales.

• 19:37Doug DeMuro?

  Interesting. So Kia and Hyundai have record EV sales. Tesla's going down. People are looking for alternatives. It's not that they're not looking for EVs necessarily. I also saw that GM had a really strong EV quarter.

• 19:46Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 19:47Doug DeMuro?

  They're not looking necessarily not looking for EVs. They're not looking for Elon.

• 19:50Speaker 06

  I will say, Q1 had some EV incentives in the US that ended in Q1. So that probably brought forward some demand. But nevertheless.

• 19:58Doug DeMuro?

  Numbers are numbers.

• 19:59Speaker 06

  Uh, Solantis down 12% in the quarter, quarter over quarter. Uh, 10 Jeep down 10%. Uh, so there are some manufacturers that are still struggling. That's the seventh quarterly decline in a row for Solantis.

• 20:11Doug DeMuro?

  Man.

• 20:12Speaker 06

  Uh, so struggling, but the end of March is really telling just how many cars were sold in the last two weeks prior to tariffs being launched. And it brought everybody up pretty notably. There were a few manufacturers that had flat quarters. Toyota was a flat on the, on the, on the quarter, but incredible marches. I think they're all prepared for Q2, especially to be a rough quarter.

• 20:35Doug DeMuro?

  You buy a Sequoia, you don't have to worry about tariffs.

• 20:38Speaker 06

  Right. Unless parts are imported from Austria, which may be the case.

• 20:41Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you know, I was interesting. I was looking at my Sequoia window sticker and it doesn't say what percentage of the parts come from the U.S. And what percentage come from the countries. A lot of window stickers do say that, but the two cars that I own that were built in the U.S. do not say that.

• 20:53Speaker 06

  Maybe they don't need to.

• 20:54Doug DeMuro?

  I wonder if they don't have, but that's annoying. I want to know what percentage.

• 20:57Speaker 06

  Or maybe it's all in the U.S.

• 20:58Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know.

• 20:59Speaker 06

  Possible.

• 21:00Doug DeMuro?

  It should still say Carrera GT 0%.

• 21:04Speaker 05

  Isn't that true?

• 21:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 21:05Speaker 05

  Mine five is 97% German and 3% American.

• 21:08Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's 97% something.

• 21:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:11Doug DeMuro?

  But 3% American, yeah.

• 21:12Speaker 05

  I think that's.

• 21:13Doug DeMuro?

  It could be 97% German, but the Carrera GT is like 20% Italian because the, the carbon tubs are all built in Italy.

• 21:18Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 21:19Speaker 06

  Wow, what a, what a fact.

• 21:20Doug DeMuro?

  So in other words, the automaker sales were strong in March. We'll see how they are in Q2.

• 21:25Speaker 06

  I suspect, I imagine every manufacturer is planning for a really tough April and a probably pretty tough Q2.

• 21:32Doug DeMuro?

  I bet April's not going to be as bad because I bet the majority of cars that are on the dealer lots in April are not tariffed because they were already here.

• 21:39Speaker 06

  Consumers being worried and dealerships seizing on it by marketing.

• 21:42Doug DeMuro?

  But I bet dealerships will seize on even that and say, hey, this one's not tariffed.

• 21:45Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 21:46Doug DeMuro?

  That'll be.

• 21:46Speaker 05

  That's true. If they shift, yeah, if they shift their focus to marketing that, that these aren't tariffed. That's an interesting.

• 21:51Doug DeMuro?

  They'll keep.

• 21:51Speaker 06

  That'll be interesting. How, some cars on the lot will have tariffs on them, some cars won't.

• 21:55Speaker 05

  Man, that'll be a line. Be a dividing line.

• 21:58Doug DeMuro?

  It really will. The 992, uh, this, they just announced the Carrera S.

• 22:01Speaker 06

  Yes, this is the dot two Carrera S. There's this, their revision, which, you know, looks very similar to the one that came before, but there are some, some important talks.

• 22:09Doug DeMuro?

  So you think they took this picture up the street in, in, in the, the road to Del Mar?

• 22:13Speaker 06

  Well, no, that's definitely not this. Our producer thinks that, but he's wrong.

• 22:15Doug DeMuro?

  He's gotta be wrong.

• 22:16Speaker 06

  But there, they did take a lot of press pictures of this car and it appears to be in San Diego.

• 22:20Doug DeMuro?

  Some of them are driving the wrong side of the road, but yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 05

  Regardless.

• 22:24Doug DeMuro?

  Pricing was announced.

• 22:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yikes on a stick. Now, the pricing was announced before the tariff.

• 22:30Speaker 06

  2026. It is not. Porsche has not commented on whether that includes forecasted tariff increases, I will say.

• 22:36Doug DeMuro?

  Which is crazy because we're at tariff day. Porsche's gotta say something at some point here.

• 22:41Speaker 06

  I'd wait to.

• 22:43Doug DeMuro?

  Regardless, Porsche, of all the automakers and the tariffs, I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche is the most impacted because they probably have the highest percentage of volume that comes from, I mean, a Ferrari is also 100% of volume, but their volume's not as high.

• 22:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:58Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche is, it makes 40, probably 40, 45,000 sales a year in the United States and 100% of it is built outside the US.

• 23:04Speaker 06

  And in competitive segments. The Macan, the Cayenne are competitive to other vehicles.

• 23:08Doug DeMuro?

  They're, they're, they're price shopped. That's exactly right. And I'll tell you this, with new Carrera pricing, the 911 is going to be price shopped too. The new Carrera starts at 130,000 United States dollars. 130,000. That's a base Carrera. Are you aware that a new Z06?

• 23:25Speaker 06

  It's the same price.

• 23:26Doug DeMuro?

  What does a new Z06 cost?

• 23:27Speaker 06

  129.

• 23:28Doug DeMuro?

  Is that true?

• 23:29Speaker 06

  It's so close to the same price.

• 23:30Doug DeMuro?

  No, new Z06 starts at 114.

• 23:32Speaker 06

  What?

• 23:33Doug DeMuro?

  So, and I, you wouldn't get a base model, but you wouldn't get a base 911 either. They, they added something as previously optional standard, but we're talking 130 for a base Carrera.

• 23:42Speaker 06

  It's eight grand more than it was in 2020, than it is this year.

• 23:45Doug DeMuro?

  The base Carrera is eight grand more. That is true. A Carrera S is 150. A GTS, I had that GTS press car a couple of weeks ago. 205.

• 23:55Speaker 05

  205?

• 23:57Doug DeMuro?

  For a GTS.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  For a GTS. Man, I could think of-

• 24:00Doug DeMuro?

  205.

• 24:01Speaker 06

  It makes the GT3 look like a great deal.

• 24:03Doug DeMuro?

  You can get a Murcielago. You can get a Lamborghini Murcielago. Go to the Murcielago dealer.

• 24:12Speaker 06

  GT3s start at 224, by the way. GT3s start at 224. Which, which feels like a deal if a, if a GTS with some options is the same price.

• 24:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, now getting a GT3 is not always the easiest thing and getting one with no options is not gonna happen.

• 24:26Doug DeMuro?

  997 GT3 was a 119 car. I'm trying to look. 109 car?

• 24:31Speaker 05

  Oh, you're trying to do the adjusted for inflation.

• 24:33Doug DeMuro?

  No, I'm just trying to look at the windows, Stig. I guarantee you, just for inflation, this doesn't come out in Porsche's favor. I guarantee you. There's no, they did an eight grand price increase. I don't, inflation was not, I was, it's like 10% increase.

• 24:43Speaker 06

  They also included the leather package as standard. That was $2800.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  There are a couple of things.

• 24:47Speaker 06

  No, no, they're still five grand.

• 24:49Speaker 05

  The brakes from the GTS are standard now on this car. There are a bunch of other things, active.

• 24:53Doug DeMuro?

  A 997 GT3, a 997 GT3 in 2007, 17 years ago.

• 24:57Speaker 05

  Long time, yeah.

• 24:58Doug DeMuro?

  106 base, 106.

• 25:02Speaker 06

  $106,000.

• 25:04Doug DeMuro?

  In, in 07 money, that's, that's 100 and, that's 160. Yeah. And, and the car now costs 225. Think about that.

• 25:12Speaker 06

  I mean, the, the fact that a base starts at 130.

• 25:14Doug DeMuro?

  I will say Porsche obviously is doing, look, we're talking G-Wagon day. Porsche is doing this for the same reason they keep raising G-Wagon prices. Do you know what new G63 now costs the same as a G550 did when this model came out? The new G6, the new G63 now costs the same, or the, the new G550 now costs the same as the G63 did just five years ago. But, which the reason is.

• 25:34Speaker 06

  I don't know how much.

• 25:34Doug DeMuro?

  150 base. But the reason is, they sell them.

• 25:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:37Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche is sitting here going, we're selling them. Let's just keep.

• 25:42Speaker 05

  Keep raising it until they start not to sell, which let's face it, just doesn't seem like it's gonna happen.

• 25:46Speaker 06

  But if it's 25% on top of that.

• 25:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that would be hard. Porsche is also in a situation though where this car is becoming more and more desired, more and more vaunted. Ferrari is only getting more expensive. There was a time in the seventies and eighties when a 911 and a 308 were comparable cars. And then it became, oh, a 911 turbo is comparable to the Ferrari lineup. Now even, kind of Ferrari's even gone beyond those. But, these cars are just really special. The thing that I find odd though is Porsche doesn't have an entry car to really capitalize on this. There's, you're saying Cayman Boxster, but they're about to go electric and they're not even. Where, where is it, where is a 78 to, to $112,000 Porsche?

• 26:23Speaker 06

  A five year old 911.

• 26:24Speaker 05

  You'll find it at the CPO lot.

• 26:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I guess, but interesting.

• 26:27Speaker 06

  It both feels like so much money. 130 feels like a ton of money for a base 911 with 360-ish horsepower. I don't remember. Uh, something in that realm.

• 26:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's a lot of money for not a ton of power, but people buy them.

• 26:41Speaker 05

  Well, the career, yeah, the career, this now, the dot two career S now makes 470.

• 26:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, but what about a base?

• 26:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:46Doug DeMuro?

  Nobody knows. Four, 450 in that career S is a pretty strong number. Basis 388, four careers, 470, career S is 473. And the GTS I drove, I was just complaining about the price, but the GTS I drove was 535 horsepower. That is.

• 26:58Speaker 06

  You know, you know what a Z06 has?

• 27:01Doug DeMuro?

  670. Well, yeah, and the ZR1, which is cheaper than all these cars, has a million horsepower.

• 27:06Speaker 06

  Right. About approximately a million plus or minus a couple.

• 27:08Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, with that in mind, bring us back to our next news story. Can somebody tell me what this vehicle is?

• 27:14Speaker 06

  This is a Karma Amaris?

• 27:16Doug DeMuro?

  Karma Amaris.

• 27:17Speaker 06

  Karma exists?

• 27:18Doug DeMuro?

  Karma exists. So the, so the story of this is the Fisker Karma came out 20 years ago, created by Henrik Fisker, this futuristic car. When he abandoned the company or sold it or God knows what happened, then it became Karma as the brand, not the model.

• 27:32Speaker 06

  Wasn't Bob Lutz involved at some point?

• 27:33Doug DeMuro?

  He was. He was gonna do V8s. They didn't know.

• 27:35Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 27:36Doug DeMuro?

  And then, and then the Karma Rivero is what the sedan is called, but now they've come out with a coupe called the Amaris. Again, they have cars, they have all these cars.

• 27:44Speaker 06

  They make these?

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  The Invictus.

• 27:46Speaker 05

  This is just straight vaporware.

• 27:48Doug DeMuro?

  Do any of these, well, wait, you say that, but three of them appear to be just a Fisker Karma.

• 27:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, they do. So, okay. Is it still powered by EcoTech four cylinder?

• 27:58Speaker 05

  Uh, I think it might be all.

• 28:00Doug DeMuro?

  So, so do we think this is, it's got a BMW turbocharged four cylinder, so they say.

• 28:05Speaker 06

  They've updated. That's nice.

• 28:07Speaker 05

  Well, they give us the pronunciation. Thank God.

• 28:09Doug DeMuro?

  Amaris. The current car uses a 1.5 liter BMW three cylinder with a plug-in hybrid for 536 total horsepower. None of these vehicles exist. We live where this company is in theory based. I don't.

• 28:20Speaker 06

  Really?

• 28:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, Karma is based in SoCal.

• 28:23Speaker 06

  Huh. I guess that makes sense.

• 28:24Speaker 05

  I suspect we'll see one at Monterey Car Week and that will be all.

• 28:28Speaker 06

  You think they have money to go to Monterey Car Week?

• 28:30Speaker 05

  But.

• 28:31Speaker 06

  They'll just drive it around.

• 28:33Doug DeMuro?

  When I went to Lake Como, the concours in Villa D'Est, the Lotus Evia, they just had it going back and forth and back and forth on the main street. They didn't have like a booth, like Lotus couldn't afford such a thing. So they just drove the car around a bunch.

• 28:46Speaker 05

  They did what they, what Lancia did to prove the O37 was like a morgue. They drove one, like changed the number of play, drove.

• 28:54Speaker 05

  Maybe it was the color, I can't remember.

• 28:57Doug DeMuro?

  They'll have like a rap shop. So one day they'll drive it around in red and then the next day they'll drive it around in blue.

• 29:01Speaker 05

  Right. Right. Exactly. So this is just like the, the Aspar owl, basically.

• 29:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's less cool. It does look really cool.

• 29:08Speaker 05

  Beautiful. The Aspar owl is not pretty, but this looks really nice.

• 29:11Doug DeMuro?

  They did some launch of it and.

• 29:13Speaker 05

  But hopefully it exists.

• 29:15Doug DeMuro?

  We've hosted a Carmer Verve. We've hosted a Verve. We got a GS6 coming up, which is like the newer or not new version of the Carmer Verve.

• 29:22Speaker 06

  Right. I, yeah.

• 29:24Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. That's a weird situation and a weird news.

• 29:26Speaker 06

  It's live right now on Cars and Bids.

• 29:28Doug DeMuro?

  Move on to the next one, please. Ah, yes.

• 29:31Speaker 05

  Some cars hanging from a crane.

• 29:32Doug DeMuro?

  Honda has dangled three passports from a crane. Yeah. It's a shame this is our image actually, because it happened in the desert.

• 29:40Speaker 05

  Well, I sure hope so. This wasn't over a crowded area.

• 29:44Doug DeMuro?

  Are you curious about what happened?

• 29:47Speaker 05

  Well, I'm just trying to, so what are they trying to convey to us here? Hang in there for the terrorists.

• 29:53Doug DeMuro?

  Honda is desperately trying, and obviously they'll fail, but they're trying to convince people that the passport is an off-road SUV. Yeah. It's not body on frame. It has no lockers, etc.

• 30:03Speaker 06

  Strong frame.

• 30:03Doug DeMuro?

  But what it has is recovery hooks.

• 30:08Doug DeMuro?

  So they took a group of passports out to the desert and you're thinking, oh, are they going to do an off-road trail? No, they're going to go somewhere with a crane and dangle the cars to show that they can be towed.

• 30:19Speaker 05

  Well, I mean, it is truly off-road. They're in the air. So that is off-road, I think, as you could possibly get.

• 30:25Speaker 06

  That's a great point, Kenan.

• 30:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yikes.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  That's, who would the?

• 30:29Speaker 06

  Somebody else has done this recently too.

• 30:31Doug DeMuro?

  New Passport looks good, by the way. It's just not a forerunner. Honda sees the forerunner sales. They're like, we want that. But they're like, we can't really invest in that. And it's like, okay, we'll do, we'll do this. We'll make a, we'll make a pilot, but we'll put it in the desert with hawks.

• 30:43Speaker 06

  But it's showing how strong the frame is.

• 30:45Speaker 05

  Well, and you know what? At the end of the day, we're talking about it. So it did kind of work.

• 30:49Doug DeMuro?

  But we're also talking about how it's a second right off rotor and it's an idiot thing.

• 30:53Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 30:53Doug DeMuro?

  Hilarious, though. Lovely, lovely idea, whoever came up with it. Last news story of the day.

• 30:58Speaker 05

  Speaking of cars that are flying, so here's one of my favorite pictures of the year so far. This is a Bugatti Chiron that is being seized. Now, evidently, this was in Austria on the Ringstraße.

• 31:08Doug DeMuro?

  In Vienna, yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  In Vienna, and they have recently increased like their severity of their laws regarding speed, particularly in and around populated areas. This car was evidently doing, it was doing 76 miles an hour, thereabouts, like just driving. Which, let's be honest, in a Chiron, not hard to do.

• 31:23Doug DeMuro?

  Not hard to do, but that road is the main road around the main inner city section of Vienna. 76 is a wild number on that street.

• 31:31Speaker 05

  So, yeah, so he, this guy got pulled and sure enough, they had threatened to impound cars if they were going 60 kilometer, more than 60 kilometers an hour in urban areas. And boy, did they. This is, this is, I suspect they wanted to do this to make a point, but they did.

• 31:45Doug DeMuro?

  They did. No front plate too. I live in fear of this. I live in fear that one of my sports cars will be.

• 31:52Speaker 05

  You think this will happen to us at some stage?

• 31:54Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they can do that in Calif, in any state, honestly, if you're going fast enough. And sometimes I think about that.

• 31:59Speaker 05

  Luckily, the Countach kind of can't.

• 32:01Doug DeMuro?

  But what, but you know what I'm thinking? Like, what if they, what if they saw me at my speediest? Not that I've ever speeded, god. But what if, and then they're like, what do you, what happens? Like, is the tow company or the, or the city of Vienna going to properly store and maintain a Bugatti Chiron? That is, that is your biggest deterrent for speeding.

• 32:19Speaker 06

  Yeah. You don't want your car impounded.

• 32:21Doug DeMuro?

  Like, the dude probably doesn't care about the driver's license points or the fine, but like, you do not want a month or however long it is with the city of Vienna and their tow guys.

• 32:30Speaker 05

  Right.

• 32:30Doug DeMuro?

  Messing with a Chiron.

• 32:31Speaker 06

  No, they're Austrian. They're careful and deliberate and professional.

• 32:35Doug DeMuro?

  I.

• 32:36Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 32:37Doug DeMuro?

  I think tow guys are tow guys anywhere in the world.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  Yes, exactly. But what a fascinating thing to see a Bugatti being put onto a tow truck this way.

• 32:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, pretty crazy situation, especially because you're in Vienna. I mean, you're pretty far from being able to drive this car at crazy speeds on the Autobahn. But doing speeds like that in real, this isn't a highway or anything. This is a pedestrians walking.

• 32:56Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, look at it. I mean, yeah, it's incredibly tight. Just to put this thing on the truck must have taken a lot of effort.

• 33:01Doug DeMuro?

  And no front plate. Got to put that too. Can't do that in Europe. Here in California, in the United States, you get away with that. Not in Europe. Europe, you can't be like, oh, my state doesn't have that.

• 33:11Speaker 05

  Got them.

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• 33:56Doug DeMuro?

  I got a G63 behind me. God knows why.

• 33:59Speaker 05

  What color is that?

• 34:00Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to tell you the story about the G63. Okay, here's what happened.

• 34:06Doug DeMuro?

  My wife's car got hit in front of our house. And so it's at the body shop. And so for the last two weeks, since it's been in the body shop, I have been getting press cars that are family-friendly.

• 34:18Speaker 05

  How convenient.

• 34:19Doug DeMuro?

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• 35:44Speaker 05

  You know, I got a side with your wife here.

• 35:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:46Speaker 05

  It's pretty embarrassing.

• 35:47Speaker 06

  No, I love it. I'm into it.

• 35:49Speaker 05

  You?

• 35:50Speaker 06

  I hate the wheels.

• 35:51Speaker 05

  With your tasteful sweater, you're into this?

• 35:53Speaker 06

  No, no, no. I would obviously never own one, but I would drive it around for the day.

• 35:56Speaker 05

  What?

• 35:57Speaker 06

  100%.

• 35:58Speaker 05

  Get out of here.

• 35:58Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna tell you three things.

• 35:59Speaker 06

  If your wife wants a GTI for a couple days, you can trade.

• 36:01Doug DeMuro?

  We were actually talking about this because my wife wants something to do with this car, but there's a group of people for whom this shows up at their house, they'd be like, "Oh, my God, I can't wait to drive. I gotta drive it." Like, you go to LA, and this is still the hottest thing in the world among certain people. Like, there's these people who think it's the coolest thing in the world, and then these people who have the same wealth who laugh at these people, right? Who are like, "I can't believe you'd want to be seen in that thing."

• 36:23Speaker 06

  Everybody in Malibu and Brentwood and...

• 36:25Doug DeMuro?

  However, to Mercedes-Benz credit, car's been on waiting lists for six years. It came out in 19. That new body G has been out for, this is its seventh model year. Hard to believe.

• 36:36Speaker 06

  This is refreshed, technically, right?

• 36:37Doug DeMuro?

  This is a refresh. That's why they were offering it to me. Do you know what's refreshed? They put a little spoiler over the windshield.

• 36:43Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 36:43Doug DeMuro?

  You'll watch the video.

• 36:44Speaker 06

  I'll watch. I'll find out.

• 36:46Speaker 05

  That'll fix it.

• 36:47Speaker 06

  For minor facelift, those are the videos that I watch.

• 36:49Doug DeMuro?

  There's a spoiler over the windshield to increase aerodynamics.

• 36:51Speaker 05

  Oh, yes, because when I think aerodynamic efficiency, the G-Wagon's the first.

• 36:54Doug DeMuro?

  Well, now you do because of the windshield spoiler.

• 36:56Speaker 05

  You're right. Yep. Exactly. Joke's on me.

• 36:59Doug DeMuro?

  That car, a couple things about it. That color, you make fun of the color. It's $6,500 extra.

• 37:03Speaker 06

  What is it called? Orange hell magno?

• 37:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's called Copper Orange Magno.

• 37:07Speaker 06

  That's close.

• 37:09Doug DeMuro?

  The interior, it has some manufacturer interiors.

• 37:11Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 37:12Doug DeMuro?

  The leather and the extended interior package, $24,000.

• 37:17Speaker 06

  So manufacturers where you like paint a sample.

• 37:20Doug DeMuro?

  I don't understand it because they have Dizinho, they have manufacturer. Neither name has ever caught on in the market.

• 37:24Speaker 06

  No.

• 37:25Doug DeMuro?

  But they really think they're something. Mercedes Benz really think.

• 37:28Speaker 06

  As somebody with a Dizinho exterior and interior, I care about it, but.

• 37:33Speaker 05

  Flexing.

• 37:34Doug DeMuro?

  The point is, this is here and it's $235,000. And the G, I driving it around and I'm like, you know what? This is, this is such a great car. Like it does exactly what the people who buy them want. It's, it exudes the image they want. It's fast. You sit above everything. It's loud, it's got all the tech, it handles well. It's really luxurious now. It's really an everything car. If you can stomach the image. And for some people, I tell that to, and they're like, stomach the image. It's a great image. And I'm like, okay. And some people are like, I cannot stomach the image.

• 38:04Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 38:05Doug DeMuro?

  And that's just the situation.

• 38:06Speaker 06

  That includes your wife, who would rather be driving around in a camo Spender Sequoia.

• 38:10Doug DeMuro?

  That says a lot.

• 38:11Speaker 06

  Says a lot.

• 38:12Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, Filippo, give us your top car story, which is a big one.

• 38:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, uh, last weekend I was in Seattle to drive a car on a racetrack for the first time.

• 38:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 38:21Speaker 06

  I've never been on a track before last weekend. And a gentleman named Wes, uh, who is doing one lap of America and then selling a car for charity on cars and bids. So the, the car that I drove will be on cars and bids in about a month.

• 38:34Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, once they, once they, once they're done fixing it.

• 38:38Doug DeMuro?

  We'll get there.

• 38:39Speaker 06

  So he invited us up to film with it before he does one lap of America, which includes eight races and racetracks around the US and driving between them. Uh, and then selling it for the American Brain Tumor Association. So he invited us up and I got to drive on a racetrack for the first time, which was very fun.

• 38:52Doug DeMuro?

  Show the footage.

• 38:53Speaker 06

  There was one slight issue.

• 38:54Doug DeMuro?

  Show the footage.

• 38:56Speaker 05

  So here comes Filippo.

• 38:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, Filippo's driving right now. Yeah.

• 39:00Speaker 06

  It worked out.

• 39:01Doug DeMuro?

  Show that again.

• 39:02Speaker 06

  It worked out.

• 39:03Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, here we got it.

• 39:05Speaker 05

  Filippo is focused though. Look at him.

• 39:07Speaker 06

  And then I apologize.

• 39:08Speaker 05

  Yep. Sorry about that.

• 39:11Speaker 06

  It worked out.

• 39:12Doug DeMuro?

  I've never seen the tire angle before. How close did we get to the wall? Not really.

• 39:16Speaker 06

  Not that close.

• 39:17Doug DeMuro?

  You know, Filippo, oh wow.

• 39:18Speaker 06

  We have a lot of.

• 39:19Doug DeMuro?

  Oh wow.

• 39:21Speaker 06

  It just looks like, like, you guys know the movie The Italian Job? They use Mini Cooper, it looks just like it.

• 39:25Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god, look at all these angles, I've never seen any of this before. It's amazing.

• 39:28Speaker 05

  I have to give you credit. One, your first time on a track, it was a damp track.

• 39:32Speaker 06

  And I pushed it a little bit too hard, it's fine.

• 39:34Speaker 05

  This track also is, it was pretty quick.

• 39:37Speaker 06

  Well, clearly there's not much runoff.

• 39:39Speaker 05

  There's not a lot of runoff.

• 39:40Speaker 06

  To be honest with you, I have driven on track a lot. I would not have been going that fast. Obviously, everybody says that, but like, it wasn't that bad.

• 39:48Doug DeMuro?

  It's wet?

• 39:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was damp.

• 39:50Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know what wet does to tires?

• 39:51Speaker 06

  It was, it was, I was overly aggressive in braking, as people will see when they watch the full video. And then I learned from it, and then I just brake too hard.

• 40:00Doug DeMuro?

  Too hard?

• 40:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:01Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you think maybe you were carrying a little too much speed?

• 40:03Speaker 06

  I was carrying a little bit of switch speed, and then I overreacted in braking.

• 40:07Speaker 05

  Well, this is about 70.

• 40:08Speaker 06

  You think the braking, you think the braking got the car, braking and turning at the same time with low traction had a little impact, yeah.

• 40:14Doug DeMuro?

  When it's wet, you gotta be so careful. You know, wet tracks, the good drivers on wet tracks, are just like, they go just as fast, or not just, but close. Me on a wet track, half the speed. Terrified.

• 40:26Speaker 06

  The rest of the laps, by the way, were incredibly fun. Were the ones where I didn't have a little spin.

• 40:31Speaker 05

  Right.

• 40:32Doug DeMuro?

  How many laps did you do?

• 40:33Speaker 06

  Seven, eight, I don't know, something like that.

• 40:35Speaker 05

  Man, but I, I have to give you credit also, Filippo, for you did a good job saving it, keeping it out of the wall.

• 40:41Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 40:41Speaker 05

  That's, I can only imagine that was a, we'll put it gently, a code brown moment for you in that, in that situation. But you did a good job, like, getting the car.

• 40:51Doug DeMuro?

  He does do a pretty good job.

• 40:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, and not putting it in the wall.

• 40:54Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty quickly, pretty quickly, he starts to correct, like, right away.

• 40:57Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 40:58Doug DeMuro?

  Not, can't do much at that point.

• 40:59Speaker 06

  Can't do much.

• 41:00Doug DeMuro?

  But then he was on the brake and got the wheel.

• 41:01Speaker 06

  Avoiding it would have been key.

• 41:02Doug DeMuro?

  Got the wheel going in the right direction by the end.

• 41:04Speaker 06

  Subsequent laps, that corner was a little scary, both because, well.

• 41:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I bet.

• 41:09Speaker 06

  I had a slight issue. And also, I, I had sprayed dirt all over it as a result of that incident.

• 41:14Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. What track is this?

• 41:16Speaker 06

  Pacific Raceways in, like, Kent-ish.

• 41:18Doug DeMuro?

  Man, that is a tight, that is not a lot of runoff.

• 41:20Speaker 05

  That's.

• 41:21Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, that level of runoff on that level of wet, I would have been going seven miles an hour. And the commentators would have been making fun of me, and I would have been like, yep.

• 41:28Speaker 06

  I will say, it's an incredibly fun track, and all I want to do now is go race on tracks.

• 41:33Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 41:34Speaker 06

  I recognize that it's expensive to go race on tracks, which impacts my own.

• 41:38Doug DeMuro?

  I invited you. When we did two years ago, the race out in the desert, when we rented out Chuck Wall for the day and we went there, I invited you and you were like, I got work to do. I'm not gonna do that.

• 41:47Speaker 06

  I did. Sad.

• 41:49Speaker 05

  Then he worked. Now he's gonna be the, he's gonna set up the next event for us and where we're gonna go.

• 41:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was legitimately so much fun. I'm excited for the video to come out. There's somehow even more angles than that to show this incident and the rest of the track day. I was probably too aggressive. I said at the beginning that the hardest part for me was gonna be being aggressive enough. Cause I'm a, you guys both know this. I'm generally a very cautious person. And I pushed myself and it resulted in that and I will never push myself. No.

• 42:18Speaker 05

  That's how you, you have to do it to start to learn where the limits are. So like, I think.

• 42:22Doug DeMuro?

  And I learned, I agree. In an ideal situation, you do it like in a large parking lot. On a car that's not being sold on the side.

• 42:29Speaker 06

  On a closed track.

• 42:31Speaker 05

  In a closed track and a car that wasn't his. That's a start.

• 42:34Speaker 06

  There you go. That is a start. Our 53 Mini Cooper has been shipped to start One Lap of America, which starts in two weeks, some of that. And then we'll be on the site.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Felipe, I'm, I'm very proud of you for going out and doing this. I think it's a great cause as well. I can't wait to see the video when it comes out. Yeah. Nice, nicely done. Nice, nice save. Well done.

• 42:54Speaker 06

  Showing my wife that video was an experience of just watching her eyes as she watched.

• 42:58Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think, it's also hard. I don't think you, I especially don't think she, but I don't think you realize how serious this is.

• 43:03Speaker 06

  No, no.

• 43:03Doug DeMuro?

  Good, but where? Good drivers and people who go, like, they don't have these much of ever. Like they, they really work up to a point where you'd go through a corner at the speed to even potentially get into this situation. It's scary.

• 43:16Speaker 06

  Every racing driver has had an off of some sort.

• 43:20Doug DeMuro?

  Pro racing driver, guys driving their M3s that they just kind of brought to the track are trying to avoid this kind of stuff.

• 43:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was also trying to avoid it. And here we are. Was this on the first lap? No, no, no. Lap three or four. I had pushed the, a little bit too far and I was going into the corner a little bit too fast. And then I scrubbed a lot of speed really quickly.

• 43:39Doug DeMuro?

  Wet, wet is scary. Wet is scary.

• 43:41Speaker 06

  It didn't feel as wet as it looks.

• 43:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, until the car started sliding, of course. Okay, the other thing I want to talk about is Kenan and his Audi R8 situation. Kenan, tell us everything.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  So, so several weeks ago, when I was Amelia Island, I drove my friend Stephen's R8, first gen R8, manual, yellow, which was cool coupe, loved it. We have another one in the office that's red, manual coupe, first gen as well. I went and filmed a, I went and filmed a photo guide, which we're updating things on the photo guide. I filmed a bunch of videos with it. It's the right car, you know, great color and stuff. And I was driving around in it and for only the second time in the last decade, I was like, you know, if I just, what if I just got rid of the M5 and just drove this instead? And that, the only other time it happened was the 981 Boxer Spider. I was like, you know, what if I just, because the thing is, I'm a single guy and I, it's, I suspect, I know it won't last forever. And you constantly tell me that you regret that you didn't buy more sports cars when you were, because you only own practical cars.

• 44:37Speaker 05

  You own fast wagons when you were my age, because we're seven years different in age. And so, although it doesn't feel like it all the time, but I had, I was driving around and I thought, what if I did it? Now, the, one of the things that kind of made me stop was immediately like, the car's pretty bouncy. And so like, I was like, it would be a little rough to use every day. But then I had to come back to the office because I forgot my sound receiver. So I parked at the top of our alley and I went down in our car elevator and I left it open. I could hear someone went by and went, whoa dude, that's like a real exotic, man. Wow, it's so cool. I'm like, you'd get a lot of that unwanted attention all the time. I say, most people love the car. Most people are really into the first gen R8. They know what it is.

• 45:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they're so into it.

• 45:15Speaker 05

  But I was like, I don't know if I'd want that attention all the time.

• 45:18Doug DeMuro?

  There's a lot of great stuff about it. I will say the bright, ours is bright red with the black side blade.

• 45:22Speaker 05

  Looks awesome.

• 45:23Doug DeMuro?

  I thought it looked awesome when I saw it in 08.

• 45:26Speaker 06

  Doug claims to have seen this specific vehicle in 2008.

• 45:30Speaker 05

  You have a picture of the VIN?

• 45:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, no, but it was sold by that, it was sold by that dealer that month. And Georgia only does 30 day temporary plates. So unless they sold another red, black one in that dealership that month, well, I saw that one. So regardless, I think, I think you would have less of an issue if it wasn't red.

• 45:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, if it were silver with the blades or, or blue or something, something different.

• 45:53Speaker 05

  I just

• 45:53Doug DeMuro?

  The thing about that car is, I think that no car, none in the world, combines the following three things: usability, exotic, and affordability.

• 46:04Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 46:04Doug DeMuro?

  No car combines those three things. None.

• 46:06Speaker 05

  I, I

• 46:07Doug DeMuro?

  Think of a better one. Here he's sitting there trying.

• 46:09Speaker 06

  No, no, I'm saying that, you're close, what's big?

• 46:11Doug DeMuro?

  No, that comes close, is my point.

• 46:12Speaker 06

  I know, but what comes more? Consider a Mark 8 GTI.

• 46:17Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, the exotic part of that.

• 46:18Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 46:19Doug DeMuro?

  You can hit two of those three with a lot of cars, including a 911, but the exotic part is lost. And the Ford GT does better with the exotic part, but affordability, it's way more expensive. The R8 does those three things, because in terms of usability, the front is pretty practical, the interior's pretty big.

• 46:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's pretty comfortable.

• 46:35Doug DeMuro?

  It's pretty comfortable.

• 46:36Speaker 05

  Visibility's pretty good.

• 46:36Doug DeMuro?

  Visibility's good, parts are available, servicing is easy, reliability is not a problem with that car.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  No, there are, there are some things, like every car, but

• 46:43Doug DeMuro?

  But that's true of, like, 997s from that era had some things.

• 46:45Speaker 05

  I'll tell you what, AC works great on that one, so, but, yeah, I know, I, I agree, like, that was its design brief when they produced it, and it, it still does that today, and it's still, like, I really enjoy it. Now, I, I admittedly, like, I want them both. I think that's probably the answer for me in the end.

• 47:01Speaker 06

  Is that why you parked behind the R8? Just like, picture what it looks like?

• 47:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I kind of look at it, it's

• 47:04Doug DeMuro?

  I do think, though, that if, if you had both, you'd drive the R8 a lot more.

• 47:09Speaker 05

  Well, that was the thing. I was driving around, it's like, I just realized, like, this is

• 47:12Doug DeMuro?

  It's usable. It's a really, especially in your situation, where you're not carrying baby seats or large items often, or whatever, stroller, like, that is a pretty usable car.

• 47:21Speaker 05

  It is.

• 47:21Doug DeMuro?

  And it's also really affordable to buy.

• 47:24Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 47:24Doug DeMuro?

  Sticks are 65, 70.

• 47:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, values are, are really, really interesting to me. So, I'm gonna go to transmission, manual.

• 47:34Doug DeMuro?

  And then click on lowest price. What are they, what are they, what are the cheapest sticks? So you can get, these are some of these, some of these cheap ones are probably kind of rough, but the meaty part of this segment is 60 to 75.

• 47:45Speaker 05

  And that's, that's a lot of car. That's a, that's a very special car for that kind of money.

• 47:49Doug DeMuro?

  That red one, that red one sold at 72, gated, red, dated, red.

• 47:58Speaker 05

  With blades.

• 47:59Doug DeMuro?

  You're not gonna find for 72 grand, a more exotic, practical, usable car than this. And NSX comes close, but it's maybe just as exotic. It's not quite as usable.

• 48:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. And it's again, it lacks kind of the theater and the drama this car does. Cause that engine sounds phenomenal.

• 48:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it doesn't have quite the theater. The usability is a little compromised, because I'm not sure if people are still taking NSXs to Acura dealers. Whereas this, I would have no problem taking it to an Audi dealer.

• 48:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:27Speaker 06

  Or an Audi specialist, but it's the same V8.

• 48:30Speaker 05

  And a lot of other cars. So I.

• 48:32Doug DeMuro?

  You know what's weird about this car? You know, I was thinking about this film.

• 48:36Doug DeMuro?

  If I described to you a sports car that had a different colored, contrasting color panel going down the entire rear quarter from top to bottom. Okay. And it has no fenders. It has no front fenders. It's just the hood. And there's a randomly placed second rear window, even though it has no rear seats. You'd say, that sounds pretty ugly. But when you look at it, somehow it works perfectly.

• 49:03Speaker 05

  Right. That's exactly right.

• 49:05Doug DeMuro?

  Like the side blade on its face, sounds like one of the stupidest things you've ever heard of in your life.

• 49:11Speaker 06

  It works. And without it.

• 49:12Speaker 05

  Without it.

• 49:13Doug DeMuro?

  Not only does it work on cars that have a body color side blade, they are actively not as attractive. They are actively uglier. They're hard to find.

• 49:21Speaker 06

  Depending on the color of the side blade, it can work. Black, black can work. Which could fundamentally, everybody is that.

• 49:26Speaker 05

  Black, black can work. Wow, this is really hard to find.

• 49:28Doug DeMuro?

  They're hard to find. Almost all the silver cars got a dark side.

• 49:30Speaker 06

  Is that white?

• 49:30Doug DeMuro?

  And a lot of the people.

• 49:31Speaker 06

  Mods.

• 49:32Doug DeMuro?

  But it's modded.

• 49:33Speaker 05

  Mods, but it gives you the.

• 49:34Doug DeMuro?

  Actually, it looks okay.

• 49:35Speaker 05

  Gives you the idea, though.

• 49:37Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. So you're gonna do it? What do you sell your M5 for? 30?

• 49:40Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't know. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna think about it some more. I just, I, getting rid of the M5 would be very hard for me, because I really love that car. But, and it's so swerved now, which is the traditional Kenan problem. Like with the 355, I sorted it, and then I got rid of it. The M5 is sorted, and I should use it and enjoy it as.

• 49:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but sorted, you've, you've said you've put 100,000 miles on that car.

• 50:01Speaker 05

  Almost. We're getting close. Yeah, almost 100,000.

• 50:03Speaker 06

  We offered.

• 50:04Doug DeMuro?

  You did it.

• 50:05Speaker 06

  A 993 Turbo S, and he said, no.

• 50:08Doug DeMuro?

  Put a stick R8.

• 50:09Speaker 06

  A stick R8.

• 50:09Doug DeMuro?

  09 R8.

• 50:10Speaker 05

  Perfect, yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 06

  I, I support you.

• 50:12Speaker 05

  No replacement for this place.

• 50:16Speaker 05

  I don't know. I it's just it again, I felt that way about the Boxer Spider. I actually had a very emotional experience of that. It was cute. It was Sam's car. And I went and drove it and I drove my M5 back to back and I was like, I can't do this. I can't get rid of the car. And in retrospect, I'm glad.

• 50:29Doug DeMuro?

  The drawback of the Boxer Spider is the practicality would be limited. Ultimately, like the top thing would become an issue.

• 50:35Speaker 05

  Two trunks though.

• 50:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:36Speaker 05

  And the top is not that big a deal on that one, on the.

• 50:40Doug DeMuro?

  That day. After six months, I bet you're like, well, this is annoying.

• 50:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, but we live here.

• 50:45Doug DeMuro?

  But it's your only car. It's rained every one of the last two weeks. It would be annoying.

• 50:49Speaker 05

  It's not currently raining now.

• 50:51Doug DeMuro?

  It rained this morning. It would be annoying.

• 50:53Speaker 05

  It would be annoying, but the R8 like, I don't know. I am genuinely actually thinking about.

• 50:58Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk. I think that you should think about it and I think that it's legitimately cool and you should think about that one specifically. And by the way, hate to admit it, love the exhaust. It is, have you heard it? No.

• 51:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, the cold start is.

• 51:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to do an impression of the car. Please turn on.

• 51:15Speaker 05

  It's actually pretty close. He just forgot to do the gauge thing where they go.

• 51:20Doug DeMuro?

  I, it's way too loud.

• 51:22Speaker 05

  It's like a.

• 51:22Doug DeMuro?

  But it's when you drive it though, the start would be way annoying.

• 51:26Speaker 05

  The starts, the cold start is, it doesn't sound like an R. It sounds like a muscle car. It doesn't sound like.

• 51:32Doug DeMuro?

  But when you drive it, it sounds good.

• 51:34Speaker 05

  It, yeah, when you're.

• 51:36Doug DeMuro?

  When you're getting up there in the revs.

• 51:37Speaker 05

  To be honest with you, because I did drive it around a little bit with the windows down, it actually kind of hurts my ears. It's actually bad.

• 51:43Doug DeMuro?

  It sounds windows down, but I liked it.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  But I, yeah, that's why. I think the owner only drove it with the windows up, hence why it had to be so loud.

• 51:49Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we got to talk about Nick. We got to talk about Nick. Since we're talking about our rates, we got to talk about Nick. Pull up, can you pull up YouTube and Nick's video? Nick has bought a Bentley Arnage. We talked about it on the site already, but the very, on this pod already, but the very first Nick Arnage video has officially gone up. Nick, there he is standing in his driveway at midnight when the car got delivered by some, some Uzbek shipper that he found. Anyway, here is the Bentley Arnage. Oh wow, we're going to HD. We want to see Nick in HD.

• 52:19Speaker 05

  We do, don't we always?

• 52:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's a great video.

• 52:21Speaker 05

  How bad it looked.

• 52:23Doug DeMuro?

  It's a great video. The car has been a complete disaster. Nick doesn't think it's a disaster, even though it doesn't currently have any interior panels. That's how it looks now.

• 52:34Doug DeMuro?

  So anyway, Nick's just launched this, our new Cars and Bids project car because he sold his Maserati on the site. He sold his P38 Range Rover. Now he's on this. This is undoubtedly the most ambitious Nick project car and Cars and Bids project car yet.

• 52:46Speaker 05

  I want to know, tell for everybody else, currently, he has removed all the wood.

• 52:50Doug DeMuro?

  So Nick took the all set. Well, it's got, it's an amazing story and I'll tell it in a video, but one of the things that has happened is that Nick decided he wanted to refinish the wood trim. To be honest, it looked fine to me. He decided he wanted to refinish the wood trim, but it because it's Nick, he couldn't do it retail. He took it to a guy in Mexico, which in here in San Diego is actually not all that uncommon for people to do for like save money on bodywork, whatever. He took it to a guy in Mexico who, who told him that he would, if, he would give him a discount if Nick removed the wood himself. Nick did remove the wood himself. He damaged several parts in, while doing it. One part he couldn't get off, so that part is just not going to be refinished. It won't match. And the guy texted him like a couple of weeks after he gave him the wood and he said, hey, by the way, I have cancer.

• 53:33Doug DeMuro?

  And so I'm not really going to be able to get to this anytime soon. And so Nick's just.

• 53:37Speaker 05

  We hope he's fine. Nick's just driving around with the interior wood.

• 53:40Doug DeMuro?

  All that to say, you should watch the video. That is the level that we're talking about with this. It's going to be a great series and I fear for Nick.

• 53:47Speaker 05

  When I saw that car in person, one of my first reactions was, well, was not that the wood needed to be done. There's a lot that that car needs.

• 53:54Doug DeMuro?

  That's right. On a list of 50 things and you could make a list of 50 things, the wood would have been 47th. I would have solved the leaking fluids and, and he did eventually.

• 54:04Speaker 05

  Well, well, you know, but it's.

• 54:08Doug DeMuro?

  It wasn't leaking the last time I saw it.

• 54:09Speaker 05

  Have we, have we, you know, in our friend group, we often encourage to take people that like you've just done with me with the art, to take bolder and bolder decisions.

• 54:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 54:19Speaker 05

  Have we strayed a little too far?

• 54:20Doug DeMuro?

  No, no. I thought about this a lot and I really think what happened is he did well on his P38. I think he made money. He did okay on his Maserati. And so each.

• 54:31Speaker 05

  The market has rewarded.

• 54:32Doug DeMuro?

  Each, exactly. Each successive bad decision he's made has emboldened him. Like, oh, it worked out for this car. It worked out for that car. And now I'm going to try it. But what's he going to get next?

• 54:42Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 54:44Speaker 06

  Because that allows us to have a friend that has a Bentley Arnage.

• 54:46Doug DeMuro?

  It really, it really has been effective for me. I'm kind of not interested in buying any more cars right now, but at the same time, still want to have new experiences. And Nick has allowed me to do that. I've driven this car a bunch of times. It was a great experience. Loved to drive it. Thrilled I don't own it.

• 55:00Speaker 05

  Yep, it's like a boat. You're thrilled to get off of it. Yep. Hand the keys back to Nick here with his great poop on.

• 55:06Doug DeMuro?

  So he's enjoying it. It's currently at the shop.

• 55:09Speaker 06

  Of course it is.

• 55:11Doug DeMuro?

  We should note, you should subscribe to the Cars and Bids YouTube channel where you can get every single one of these videos. And when it comes out, my first track driving experience, you can subscribe to the Cars and Bids channel by going to youtube.com slash at Cars and Bids. Okay, we got to talk, we got to do a quick market report and then we are off to the questions. There's only two things I want to cover. One of them is new WRXs. Can you pull up WRX and cap, start the year at 2022?

• 55:38Speaker 05

  Here's our website.

• 55:39Doug DeMuro?

  There you go.

• 55:40Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 55:41Doug DeMuro?

  Start the year at 22, scope of years.

• 55:43Speaker 06

  Current generation of your X. I have a lot of thoughts here, by the way.

• 55:46Doug DeMuro?

  And type in lowest or do lowest price.

• 55:48Speaker 06

  I mean.

• 55:49Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, new WRXs, which is a car I love, absolutely love. Oh, God. Oh, God. Type a note to yourself. These are in the low 20s. We just sold one a couple of days ago for 20,750.

• 56:04Speaker 06

  You see the similarities between all the lowest price ones, right?

• 56:07Doug DeMuro?

  I hate the fact that I, what, that they're modded? I like the mods.

• 56:10Speaker 06

  I actually do like the mods too on most of these, but all the heavily modified ones are going for the least amount of money.

• 56:16Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the reason for that is they're all still under warranty. So if you've modified the car, you've voided your warranty. And at this point in the car's depreciation curve, people, the warranty and the newness is still desirable.

• 56:26Speaker 06

  I've been thinking about this a lot. Yeah. New WRX, 10 grand off a sticker.

• 56:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:31Speaker 06

  New GTI, 10 grand off a sticker.

• 56:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:33Speaker 06

  New Golf R, 10 grand off a sticker. The current generation of these cars have not found a market. The WRX got.

• 56:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but this is

• 56:41Speaker 06

  questionable looking.

• 56:42Doug DeMuro?

  This is the most appealing.

• 56:43Speaker 06

  Does agree. The WRX got questionable looking.

• 56:45Doug DeMuro?

  It looks so good.

• 56:46Speaker 06

  I actually also like it, but the market has agreed that it doesn't look great.

• 56:50Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 56:51Speaker 06

  And it doesn't look as good as the prior one.

• 56:53Doug DeMuro?

  So.

• 56:53Speaker 06

  The GTI and Golf R have interior infotainment concerns and reviewer, well.

• 56:59Doug DeMuro?

  Well, he's experienced, he is one of the other.

• 57:01Speaker 06

  And reviewers have panned it widely for that. They just don't have the demand.

• 57:07Doug DeMuro?

  Dude.

• 57:07Speaker 06

  As a result, but it's true of all of them.

• 57:09Doug DeMuro?

  For this car is a year.

• 57:11Speaker 06

  I know.

• 57:11Doug DeMuro?

  It's a great, that, why do you think about a GTI for 2020?

• 57:13Speaker 06

  Have you driven one of these yet?

• 57:14Doug DeMuro?

  No, I really want to.

• 57:14Speaker 06

  It is a wonderful car to drive.

• 57:17Doug DeMuro?

  And so is my GTI. Like, I mean, this is a class.

• 57:20Speaker 06

  So is my GTI, just the market hasn't been interested.

• 57:22Doug DeMuro?

  This is a great powertrain. This is a great car. This is a lot of fun to drive and you can get it for 2021. Yes, please. I want one.

• 57:31Speaker 06

  The, the last gen WRX is everywhere. The last gen, the Mark 7 GTI is everywhere.

• 57:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 57:39Speaker 06

  Nobody seems to care about the current ones. And I think it's a mistake because they're all great cars.

• 57:43Doug DeMuro?

  People have moved on. I to, I agree that.

• 57:45Speaker 06

  The WRX got a lot of hate when it came out.

• 57:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 57:48Speaker 06

  The, so did the, the GTI.

• 57:50Doug DeMuro?

  Hates of all kinds.

• 57:51Speaker 06

  This, they're bargains now.

• 57:52Doug DeMuro?

  It's such a good drive.

• 57:55Speaker 06

  I really.

• 57:55Doug DeMuro?

  It steers well, it handles well. The engine is fantastic. And you can mod it, look at this.

• 58:00Speaker 06

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• 58:00Doug DeMuro?

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• 59:00Speaker 05

  Well, no, I'm not. I'm not doing this, but I would. I have to say, I've never driven one of these cars. I very much would like to. They don't bother me. The way they look, it doesn't bother me at all. Especially the darker colors kind of covers up the fender things, which is what everybody was.

• 59:13Doug DeMuro?

  I've come around.

• 59:14Speaker 05

  I've come around on it too, but I, that is a seriously compelling car. I mean, it's a pretty new performance car with a manual transmission for 20.

• 59:23Doug DeMuro?

  I'm telling you too, I'm telling you it drives well. I swear. I think that you would actually enjoy the way it drives.

• 59:27Speaker 05

  I'm sure I would.

• 59:28Doug DeMuro?

  The powertrain, even though it's a flat, it's a four-cylinder, it's just like geared wonderfully and the power delivery is smooth, so there's good load delivery too. It's just a really, really good car, and I still like how they look. I always, I initially hated it, then I started seeing them around, and this weekend I saw one on the road and I was like, you know what? I've come to a point where I actually now actively like it.

• 59:46Speaker 05

  I'm with you.

• 59:47Doug DeMuro?

  Which I hate to admit. Okay, I want to talk about the M5 wagon, Filippo.

• 59:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, we literally today as we're filming this, sold an E39 528i wagon that was converted to an M5, basically. Has a V8 and a 6P manual for the M5. Crucially, it looks incredible. It looks like what it would have looked like had BMW built an M5 to it.

• 1:00:09Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of guys do the, a lot of guys do the M5 swap, engine swap, and then do bad mods and don't go the whole way. This car basically goes the whole way. Last night, it was sitting at 27, and I texted Kenan and I was like, hey, tell me about this car and tell me about like the engine work they've done. Is this the right stuff? Like, should I be interested in this car? Thinking I could steal it for like 33.

• 1:00:31Speaker 05

  No, these cars bring serious money, and this person did it properly. They did, they did the timing chain guides, they did the Vano stuff, they did like, I mean, all of the big stuff, yeah, that you would do. And it was a 2000 engine, they updated the stuff. Like you should, like you should.

• 1:00:44Doug DeMuro?

  So it sold for sixty six.

• 1:00:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Doug DeMuro?

  Which I don't know, like.

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  No, that's, that's where like really well built ones. That's where they go.

• 1:00:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, maybe. I mean, that there's, it's harder to find a market on these. They only come up for sale like once a year between us and bring a trailer and here and there. They're very hard to find, good ones. Cause we sold one that was a, someone had done it, but like had done some mods and all that stuff. Not how I would have done it. But this one was really, really nicely done.

• 1:01:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:09Doug DeMuro?

  And I really was hoping I could steal it and boy, was that not happening.

• 1:01:12Speaker 05

  No, I mean, people recognize.

• 1:01:14Speaker 06

  People recognize it. And also clearly the market still wants the like, it's like a cool car. Wagon is cool. Combine the two and you get the coolest possible thing.

• 1:01:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And you know what's interesting? We R and M'd that red RS six Avant the other day for eighty.

• 1:01:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, we, we regularly sell pretty modern E sixty three wagons at this number or less.

• 1:01:35Speaker 06

  I take that too.

• 1:01:35Doug DeMuro?

  Aren't two thirteen selling for this number?

• 1:01:37Speaker 06

  Really, really early pre phase of two thirteen's with miles and an accident.

• 1:01:41Doug DeMuro?

  Boom. Or you can get a much older, like, you know, swap. Like this isn't an M five wagon. It's a guy made an M five wagon. And yet it still did it all the way.

• 1:01:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:51Doug DeMuro?

  That's cool.

• 1:01:51Speaker 05

  I'm so here for it. Like, uh, now admittedly, it's a, it's a lot of money. It's a lot of money, but be, I mean, it's just damn cool.

• 1:02:00Doug DeMuro?

  It's one of those find another one things though. Like, you, you could make it yourself. You can probably make yourself cheaper.

• 1:02:05Speaker 05

  So.

• 1:02:05Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, but it will take you a year.

• 1:02:07Speaker 05

  So hard that you have to cut out the floor of the car. It's because that's where the spare wheel is. But in order to fit the exhaust in the M five, you have to cut that out and put in an M five floor. Very common.

• 1:02:15Doug DeMuro?

  Well, and there's other stuff too. Go back to the side shot. Like they, they flare out the fenders.

• 1:02:19Speaker 06

  They did.

• 1:02:19Doug DeMuro?

  But that, that never existed.

• 1:02:21Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:02:22Speaker 06

  The five forty.

• 1:02:23Speaker 05

  The fenders I believe are rolled, but I don't think they are flared more.

• 1:02:26Doug DeMuro?

  Well, still.

• 1:02:27Speaker 05

  I'm looking, look at mine. Like that's, that's the same.

• 1:02:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but that's, but this is a wagon.

• 1:02:33Speaker 05

  I.

• 1:02:33Doug DeMuro?

  The sedan, you think the sedan looks the same as, as the regular five twenty eight is sedan with the fenders?

• 1:02:38Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:02:38Doug DeMuro?

  That looks, that looks chunkier.

• 1:02:40Speaker 05

  Ryan Schultz would correct me, but I think the M, the body panels are the same. They just come rolled from the factory on the M five. Whereas they're not rolled on the standard five twenty.

• 1:02:48Speaker 06

  You're still painting though.

• 1:02:49Speaker 05

  I mean, unless this car was anthracite when I left the factory, like, I would imagine it was

• 1:02:55Doug DeMuro?

  fjord.

• 1:02:55Speaker 05

  But I'm not sure. Fjord gray?

• 1:02:58Doug DeMuro?

  It's such, it's such a nice thing. It's so cool. They did the interior too, Ken, and maybe not up to the standards that you.

• 1:03:02Speaker 05

  No, the interior's good. They put a full leather dash in it and stuff. And you can tell these are 2000, like, parts are from a 2000 because they have the black gauge, which only came on the 2000 model year for the M5.

• 1:03:12Doug DeMuro?

  It is so cool. I think it's incredibly well done. And 66 is big money, but this is, remember when we sold that F80 M3 wagon too?

• 1:03:19Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 1:03:20Doug DeMuro?

  This is when you do a really good build and you do it well. And you don't do the build and then put it on lowering springs and bad wheels and tinted taillights. When you do a build well, the market pays off. I was really into this car.

• 1:03:31Speaker 05

  I'm into it too. Great result.

• 1:03:34Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next up, we move on to questions. These are some of the finest questions we have ever been asked this week. In order to ask us questions, you can ask them. You go to the community tab, carsandbids.com, click on the community tab, there will be a post there that says, "Questions." And then you can ask your questions and we will answer the best ones. The most controversial and then the best. Not the highest up voted, we've learned.

• 1:03:55Speaker 06

  Different.

• 1:03:55Doug DeMuro?

  But the best.

• 1:03:56Speaker 06

  And if you do it from the Cars and Bids app, extra points.

• 1:03:58Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, the Cars and Bids app is bringing you this segment. The Cars and Bids app, like Cars and Bids, but an app.

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  Better. Well said.

• 1:04:06Doug DeMuro?

  Thank you. And it rains money when you shake it. What does it rain?

• 1:04:10Speaker 05

  Cars and Bids.

• 1:04:12Doug DeMuro?

  It rains money. All right, just like it does here in the office when we're driving our G-Wagon. Can you imagine driving that thing around?

• 1:04:20Speaker 05

  Never in a million years, yet he is here once.

• 1:04:22Doug DeMuro?

  You know what's funny? When you open the hood, there's a little warning label that says, like, "Don't open the hood wearing a necktie," like a tie, because you might get caught in the fan. Nobody driving one of those has ever worn a tie. They're all wearing Balenciaga shirts that say in Lart, you know what I mean?

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 1:04:38Doug DeMuro?

  That's so true. There was a time when someone driving an expensive Mercedes wore a tie. That tie was gone.

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  Balenciaga thing really.

• 1:04:47Doug DeMuro?

  All right, all right, all right. Questions. We got our first question. Top five cars, it actually should say, "No chains." Watch your chain. Your chain might get caught in the fan.

• 1:05:08Doug DeMuro?

  Top car subject. First question from ex-pilot. What are the top five cars that will be not subject to a tariff? Sequoia? None. They will all be.

• 1:05:18Speaker 06

  You know what one car that's incredibly popular that is built in America primarily with the American parts? The Toyota Corolla.

• 1:05:25Doug DeMuro?

  Hmm, how lovely.

• 1:05:26Speaker 05

  Is it the vast majority of Teslas will be the car?

• 1:05:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but he's asking for top five best.

• 1:05:30Speaker 06

  Top five best. The Corolla is a vehicle.

• 1:05:33Doug DeMuro?

  So.

• 1:05:34Speaker 06

  The Corolla GR, by the way, I don't think built in the US.

• 1:05:36Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I will say, uh, it's, I don't know what the answer to this is because I'm still having trouble quite discerning exactly what's going to be subject to tariff and what's not. And I am certain that cars that are subject to tariffs will drive up the entire market price. If you're Hyundai building a car in Korea and you have to jack up your price 20%, there's no way Ford building a car in America doesn't jack up their price at least 12% because why not just take the extra?

• 1:05:56Speaker 06

  Also, if you are even Toyota and some of your cars are built outside of the US, you're going to increase the price across the board because you can't have.

• 1:06:02Doug DeMuro?

  You're not just going to increase the price on forerunner. Yeah, totally. So I, I, it's, it's a good question. It's just hard to say right now and my, my suspicion is that most cars will be, if not subject to a tariff, then their price will be increased because of the tax increase.

• 1:06:17Speaker 06

  I do wonder whether, uh, manufacturers, Volkswagen has said they're going to put on the window sticker their MSRP and then an import fee. If everybody goes that direction, that might change that math a bit if they want to really say this is not us, this is your government.

• 1:06:32Doug DeMuro?

  Truck tariff. They should say truck tariff.

• 1:06:34Speaker 06

  Which has, has some upside.

• 1:06:35Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, from Tangle92, I recently saw a Cadillac ELR on the road, knew it was rare, but didn't realize how rare it was. Here's the question, has there ever been a bigger flop where, uh, vehicles share a platform and one is a commercial success, but one is an absolute disaster? It's a great question. First, I want to say those, there were actually three cars that shared that platform. You got an O third?

• 1:06:55Speaker 06

  Apepterra.

• 1:06:55Doug DeMuro?

  Apepterra?

• 1:06:57Speaker 06

  Amperra. Amperra? I'm so close.

• 1:06:59Doug DeMuro?

  It's a bad name. By the way, built in America and sold in Europe.

• 1:07:03Speaker 06

  It's the Volt. It looks like the Volt.

• 1:07:05Doug DeMuro?

  It does not look like the Volt. Pull up the Opel Impara.

• 1:07:07Speaker 06

  I'm sorry, what?

• 1:07:08Doug DeMuro?

  It does not look like the Volt. The Opel Impara is a radically different product.

• 1:07:12Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. You're right.

• 1:07:13Doug DeMuro?

  Completely different.

• 1:07:14Speaker 06

  Completely different product.

• 1:07:16Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:07:16Doug DeMuro?

  Completely different car.

• 1:07:18Speaker 06

  Totally different.

• 1:07:19Speaker 05

  It looks like a dog that had like tears from down its face.

• 1:07:21Speaker 06

  You're right. The side profile, the rear, everything but the headlight treatment.

• 1:07:25Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean? The steering wheel's on the opposite side of the damn car. Very different from the Volt.

• 1:07:30Speaker 06

  Only in the UK for the other way. The Opel Impara also sold in mainland Europe.

• 1:07:32Doug DeMuro?

  You know, in Malta, in Japan, in South Africa, they probably sold nine of them in South Africa.

• 1:07:36Speaker 06

  Did you know about the Impara E, which is the Volt?

• 1:07:38Doug DeMuro?

  No, I did not know that it was the Impara E. Anyway, the question is, cars that shared a platform, one is a success, the other is a disaster. The one that came to mind for me was the Buick Rendezvous and the Pontiac Aztec. The Aztec was a flop, but the Rendezvous sold so well, insanely, that I actually suspect that whole experience was profitable. Can you think of another?

• 1:07:59Speaker 06

  There are a lot where there is a a lot of, in a lot of badge engineering, one did more poorly. A lot of Pontiac, like the Pontiac G3, can't imagine they sold that many as they did Chevy Aveo.

• 1:08:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's actually, the question is predicated on the fact that it doesn't usually happen, but I would argue that it actually does usually happen where one car is the one.

• 1:08:17Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:08:18Doug DeMuro?

  And then they make stupid other versions.

• 1:08:20Speaker 06

  The vibe matrix, you know?

• 1:08:21Doug DeMuro?

  Right, to give, to give other brands a chance. The one that's happening right now is the Honda Civic and the Acura Integra. The Civic is a Civic and sells incredible numbers. The Integra, they were like, hey, let's just do this because we're already making the car.

• 1:08:32Speaker 06

  But it's kind of purposeful at that point. You're okay with them selling it?

• 1:08:34Doug DeMuro?

  It's kind of purposeful.

• 1:08:34Speaker 06

  Now, the ELR was actually like a fully different design. It wasn't just badge engineering.

• 1:08:40Doug DeMuro?

  I cannot imagine the amount of effort that went into that failure.

• 1:08:42Speaker 06

  What else? Oh, the Prius and Lexus HS250H.

• 1:08:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's a good one. And the CT200H, which was also.

• 1:08:51Speaker 06

  The CT200H sold well compared to the HS250H.

• 1:08:53Doug DeMuro?

  The HS was a total failure.

• 1:08:54Speaker 06

  Kevin's never seen an HS250H.

• 1:08:55Doug DeMuro?

  That's exactly right. He has not. And the HS was, was the one that was actually based on the Prius. The CT was, was more Lexus.

• 1:09:02Speaker 06

  HS250H.

• 1:09:05Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, 235.

• 1:09:06Speaker 06

  I mean, why not?

• 1:09:08Doug DeMuro?

  He only thinks in 235s like the BMW.

• 1:09:10Speaker 05

  I can't help it. It just like fault matriculated it.

• 1:09:14Speaker 05

  Wow, that is a scary looking.

• 1:09:15Speaker 06

  Not attractive vehicle.

• 1:09:16Doug DeMuro?

  I loved how it looked. I thought it was great. This one, like if this had had a turbo four cylinder, it's got the body kit, it's got the wheels.

• 1:09:22Speaker 06

  I finally see where Toyota got all their inspiration for the next generation Corolla.

• 1:09:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:26Speaker 06

  At the time.

• 1:09:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:27Speaker 06

  Wow, interesting.

• 1:09:29Speaker 05

  Maybe it's not a failure, but the, uh, was it the Aston Martin Signet and the Toyota?

• 1:09:34Doug DeMuro?

  Not a failure.

• 1:09:35Speaker 06

  Both were kind of failures.

• 1:09:36Speaker 05

  Both were kind of failures.

• 1:09:37Doug DeMuro?

  Um, but you know, it does happen occasionally, uh, but that was probably an extreme example where one was a radical failure and the other one was, uh,

• 1:09:44Speaker 06

  A mediocrity.

• 1:09:46Doug DeMuro?

  Was an Opel Impara.

• 1:09:47Speaker 06

  Nice.

• 1:09:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Next question, the, from Aminay, Aminay. The idea of a halo car is well known, a car so good, interesting, unique that it brings attention to a brand and ushers an improved era like the R8. Uh, has there ever been a car that did the opposite? It was so bad that it indicated the downfall of a car brand? I was thinking about this question. I, don't you think the Ghibli, the 15 Maserati Ghibli really ushered in like the beginning of a bad era for Maserati?

• 1:10:11Speaker 06

  It's the downside of going a little bit down market.

• 1:10:14Doug DeMuro?

  You go down market, you go volume and that you create that. And I don't think Maserati's image has ever really recovered. Like Audi's image went to here, well, Maserati's image went to here and they haven't really been able to bring that back.

• 1:10:25Speaker 06

  That's a great example.

• 1:10:26Doug DeMuro?

  There are other good ones though, I bet.

• 1:10:27Speaker 05

  Did you think, uh, IEMF, did you say for Mitsubishi?

• 1:10:30Doug DeMuro?

  Um, Mitsubishi was already kind of headed in that direction. I think that there are some recent Volkswagens that have diminished what image the brand used to have. The Passat and the Jetta, when they de-contented them for like the 10 model years.

• 1:10:41Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:10:42Doug DeMuro?

  And the Atlas, like the days of like VW being a cheap but high-end alternative to German kind of went away. They, they got other stuff for it. They got volume and the cars are still pretty good, but like they, no, no one views them as like a budget Audi anymore.

• 1:10:56Speaker 06

  The Mirage, to Ken's point about the IEMF, I think the Mirage kind of did.

• 1:10:59Doug DeMuro?

  The Mirage.

• 1:11:00Speaker 06

  That was their volume seller.

• 1:11:01Doug DeMuro?

  The Montero, sport and the Montero were volume sellers in the late 90s, early 2000s. It slipped to these small cars and now that's all anybody thinks of.

• 1:11:08Speaker 06

  Mitsubishi. The Highlander exists and is a competent vehicle.

• 1:11:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I don't know. It's an interesting question and there are probably some other ones, but it's an interesting question.

• 1:11:16Speaker 06

  I can think of more examples where the main, whatever the most mainstream model was, had a poor redesign. Uh, Toyota, sorry, Honda with the Civic in 2011. Uh, 2011, the year they came out that they had

• 1:11:27Doug DeMuro?

  Twelve.

• 1:11:28Speaker 06

  Emergency facelift for 2013. That hurt them clearly, otherwise they wouldn't have done an emergency facelift the next year.

• 1:11:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:35Speaker 06

  But it didn't. They had enough brand cachet that it didn't kill them.

• 1:11:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:11:39Speaker 06

  And they corrected it.

• 1:11:40Doug DeMuro?

  And I don't think, I mean, those are minor examples, but I think Ghibli's the best. And certainly, nobody has hurt a hurt a reputation quite like the R8 helped one.

• 1:11:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:11:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from Hugh K. Doug, would you break your no new cars rule for the Gilmore Girls Jeep? The Gilmore Girls Jeep, uh, 1J4FAF49S0YP762227. Would I break my rule?

• 1:12:04Speaker 06

  Private till today.

• 1:12:07Doug DeMuro?

  Would I break my rule for it? That's not, that was only in the first episode. In every subsequent episode, there was a different, it was a, that's a YJ, it was a TJ, this, this car.

• 1:12:14Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:12:14Doug DeMuro?

  TJ, yeah. In every subsequent episode. Um, would I break my rule for it? It's not that I would break my rule, Hugh. Uh, it's that, it's, it's, it's known on its face that my rule doesn't apply to the Gilmore Girls Jeep. You know that, right?

• 1:12:27Speaker 06

  A hundred percent.

• 1:12:27Doug DeMuro?

  When I say I'm off cars, I'm never buying another car, I'm not buying cars. You know that if the Gilmore Girls Jeep were to become available, I would buy it. Okay. So you want me to tell the Gilmore Girls Jeep story?

• 1:12:35Speaker 06

  I think it's time.

• 1:12:36Doug DeMuro?

  Tell it. All right, all right. Here's the deal. So the Gilmore Girls, what my favorite television show of all time, the greatest television show of all time, the main character, Lorelai, throughout the show, drove a TJ Wrangler and it was an unusual one. It was this desert Sahara color that was only offered in two model years. And they had two of them. And at the end of the show, which was like in 2003, I was, I wasn't even sentient.

• 1:13:00Speaker 06

  What were you?

• 1:13:02Doug DeMuro?

  They auctioned him off. Like, I couldn't have bought it then.

• 1:13:03Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:13:04Doug DeMuro?

  They auctioned him off for charity. And at the time, the cars had spent their entire life on the production lot. They had 3,000 miles, both of the Jeeps. And, um, so they were auctioned off for charity. Years go by, I'm always curious what happened to the cars. Uh, and, uh, I wrote an article about it for Autotrader, I think, years ago. And I said, hey, what happened to this Jeep? Well, somebody commented and said, I bought the Jeep. It's me.

• 1:13:27Speaker 06

  I didn't realize this from the comments. Wow.

• 1:13:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:29Speaker 06

  I thought you did some deep digging.

• 1:13:30Doug DeMuro?

  And the comment was like two years after I wrote the article. I just happened to click on it again and there was the comment. So I'm like, oh my God. And the person commented with her name, her real name. So I spent weeks Googling, Googling, Googling. And I mailed letters to many addresses that were associated, I couldn't find her email address. I mailed letters to many addresses that were associated with her. They all were returned.

• 1:13:49Speaker 06

  Only Molly.

• 1:13:50Doug DeMuro?

  And so I just said, you know what? It's over. I'm not going to get the Gilmore Girls Jeep. However. One of the interesting things I learned from this was, you know, the Jeep was, the, the, the show takes place in a small town in Connecticut. The Jeep was sold at charity auction to this woman who lives in a small town in Connecticut.

• 1:14:05Speaker 06

  How cute.

• 1:14:05Doug DeMuro?

  So, I was desperate, desperate. Every few years, I would think about it again. I wrote the article probably 10 years ago, and every two, three years, I'd think about it again. And eventually, five years ago, I Google, and I'm able to find the woman's daughter, and I find an email address for her, and I sent an email. And I say, "Look, I know you have the Jeep. Uh, I want it, I'm interested in it."

• 1:14:23Speaker 06

  I know you have it.

• 1:14:24Doug DeMuro?

  And I want it, I'm interested in it, and I'm totally down, and I'll buy it any time. And she replied kind of rudely. She was like, "This is a family heirloom, and I'm, we're not selling." And I was like, "Okay, listen, I'm not trying to steal it from you. Like, you take all the time you need with it. But when the day comes, the crossover between car enthusiasts and Gilmore's Jeep enthusiasts, it's me. You're gonna want to sell it to me."

• 1:14:45Speaker 06

  Yep, 100%.

• 1:14:46Doug DeMuro?

  The sad part is, if you go on Carfax, they've been dailying it for like 15 years.

• 1:14:50Speaker 06

  That's great. They're driving from Stars Hollow to Chilton every day for school, and that's important.

• 1:14:56Doug DeMuro?

  This thing's got probably 100,000 miles on it now. Connecticut winters and they drive.

• 1:14:59Speaker 06

  And then every once in a while, they, they drive to TJ's Renaissance Fair.

• 1:15:02Doug DeMuro?

  It's got rust all over it. Now, the second Gilmore Jeep is actually still here in SoCal, but the first one, the main show car, which is the one they have in Connecticut, has my lucky number in the VIN, and it's, it's just a, I want it really bad. And so, uh, I still want it, and, and I, maybe I'll send another email. You know, the, the economy's slowing, times are getting tough, maybe an influx of cash for selling your Gilmore Jeep would be nice.

• 1:15:26Speaker 06

  They, they really need that salt exception in Connecticut.

• 1:15:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:29Speaker 06

  It's the time. Before that increases.

• 1:15:32Doug DeMuro?

  So, that's the story of the Gilmore Jeep. Yes, of course, I would break my no new cars rule for the Gilmore Jeep. Don't be silly. Cue, I, there's a few other cars. Like, if a Tao Design wanted to sell me the Columbus, if a Bentley Dominator came for sale, there's a few cars I'd break the rule.

• 1:15:44Speaker 06

  I mean, sure. That's a totally.

• 1:15:46Doug DeMuro?

  But generally, I'm not buying any new cars, even though I want a 993 Turbo so bad. I watched Ted Ward's 993 Turbo video the other day.

• 1:15:53Speaker 05

  Oh, it's a good one.

• 1:15:53Doug DeMuro?

  You see him? It's yellow. He's like in Connecticut or Massachusetts. He's like accelerating up on ramp and it's like, ah.

• 1:15:59Speaker 05

  I love Tom's video. It's the binaural audio thing that he does.

• 1:16:01Doug DeMuro?

  He's just sitting there and you can feel the car accelerating. Anyway, then I drove the Craggy T and I was like, I don't need a 993 Turbo. Uh, okay, I'm serious. That's exactly the thought I had and I haven't thought of it since, but I do kinda want it, but not more than a Gilmore Girls Jeep. And by the way, I guarantee I would pay more than anybody.

• 1:16:14Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. All seven grand.

• 1:16:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:16:17Doug DeMuro?

  It's probably only worth like to a normal person like 12.

• 1:16:20Speaker 06

  I don't know, 1200, yeah.

• 1:16:21Doug DeMuro?

  I'd probably pay a bigger number than 12. Okay, next question from Blumper. Here we go. You ready?

• 1:16:27Speaker 05

  I'm hold- oh, no. All right.

• 1:16:29Doug DeMuro?

  Hey Doug and Kenan, can you rank every M3 from worst to best? We've been ranking all these cars every week. I wanna, I wanna preface this, because when we cut this into a short, we're not gonna include my preface, but I wanna preface it anyway. People get so mad. They're like, you said the E34 M5 is the worst? You're terrible. And it's like, I'm not saying it's the worst car.

• 1:16:49Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:16:50Doug DeMuro?

  We're talking about great cars here.

• 1:16:52Speaker 05

  As stated, we're talking about it. They're, yeah, they're all excellent cars. Picking amongst them is like, it's like da-da-da-da-da-da. It's that close.

• 1:17:01Doug DeMuro?

  Like the E34 M5 is still, in my opinion, one of the great German cars of all time.

• 1:17:05Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 1:17:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's just that when we're ranking all the M5s, it's one has to be last. And it's funny because you get two things when you see the comments of these, people hating us. And then people making their own rankings and then they get comments of people hating them. Like, there's no ranking that satisfies everyone.

• 1:17:19Speaker 05

  So thank you for coming up with another one that you have to spread more hate and vitriol.

• 1:17:23Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so M3, M3 is tough. We're gonna disagree sharply.

• 1:17:27Speaker 05

  It's not tough for the first one.

• 1:17:28Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God, what are you gonna say?

• 1:17:29Speaker 05

  You're going to say that it's the G80.

• 1:17:31Speaker 06

  And he's gonna say E30, obviously.

• 1:17:32Speaker 05

  No, he's gonna say G80.

• 1:17:33Doug DeMuro?

  I, I, since, since I wrote this question into the doc, I've been debating this very thing and now I have to choose.

• 1:17:39Speaker 05

  Choose, damn it.

• 1:17:40Speaker 06

  You can start at worst if you want. You can start at worst.

• 1:17:43Speaker 05

  I, well, for me, the best one, I'll just say it as it is. I think the E46 M3 is the best.

• 1:17:48Doug DeMuro?

  There's no four-door.

• 1:17:50Speaker 05

  So.

• 1:17:50Doug DeMuro?

  There's a convertible.

• 1:17:51Speaker 05

  Well, guess what the M3 started as? A two-door. It should be a two-door.

• 1:17:54Doug DeMuro?

  Dang. But, but.

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  I understand that BMW disagrees with themselves on that one.

• 1:17:59Doug DeMuro?

  The M3 isn't a two-door anymore. It's not even a two-door.

• 1:18:02Speaker 06

  No, it's not available.

• 1:18:03Speaker 05

  Things change.

• 1:18:03Speaker 06

  The three series is not available as a two-door.

• 1:18:05Speaker 05

  You're talking about heritage, like what?

• 1:18:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but you're saying what it started as. Well, things change. It should be a four-door.

• 1:18:09Speaker 05

  It should be a four-cylinder too, technically, but.

• 1:18:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. What about that?

• 1:18:12Speaker 05

  But I.

• 1:18:12Doug DeMuro?

  Former box fenders.

• 1:18:14Speaker 05

  BMW makes six-cylinder engines. That's their core competency engine. Like, that's what they made. That's what they made forever. They're known for that.

• 1:18:21Doug DeMuro?

  Still making, yeah.

• 1:18:21Speaker 05

  The S54 is, in my opinion, the finest six-cylinder engine that they made. You could argue the B58 is up there too, and some people.

• 1:18:28Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe would make that argument.

• 1:18:29Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:18:30Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, I'm not a part of that guy. Is the B58 the three-liter?

• 1:18:32Speaker 05

  B58, yeah. Uh, that's the, it's the current one in everything. Yeah.

• 1:18:35Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, okay.

• 1:18:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, which, uh, but I think the S54, it's, everything in M-car should have high-revving, naturally aspirated, six-cylinder engine. Like, that is BMW. And that is the M3.

• 1:18:45Doug DeMuro?

  You've made a good argument.

• 1:18:46Speaker 05

  So I think that, and looks amazing, drives amazingly well, ref, uh, this comes from BMW's golden era, the early 2000s, like, it's, it has its problems, but it's the one.

• 1:18:56Doug DeMuro?

  You've made a good argument. Okay.

• 1:18:57Speaker 05

  Was this, what was, what were the two on the top of your list? Was it?

• 1:19:00Doug DeMuro?

  The G8 and the E30. Exactly what you guys both said I would say, and I don't know. But you've made a good argument for the E46. I, I faulted for not having a sedan, because I know that the M3 didn't start as a sedan, but to me, what it, what it is and was best at was being a practical, little tossabout car. And the E36 M3 sedan was great at it, and later M3s have pretty much, have, were, were very popular sedans, and then became only sedans.

• 1:19:23Speaker 05

  A great little tossable car. So one would say that with less doors would make it a little bit.

• 1:19:26Doug DeMuro?

  But, but, but the added practicality, without really losing much in terms of size, is what that car, to me, was the best at. Like, a coupe, if I want a coupe, I want a Cayman. I want a car that was purpose-built as a sports car.

• 1:19:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:19:38Doug DeMuro?

  Whereas the M3 was, the E46 M3 was taken as a, your mom drives it kind of coupe, and turned into a sports car. Uh, I want a purpose-built sports car like a box.

• 1:19:47Speaker 05

  But that's what BMW M does. That's, that's what BMW does with it. They don't build sports cars, really. The Z4 exists and the Z3 before that, but like.

• 1:19:54Doug DeMuro?

  This can be a long one. I could tell.

• 1:19:56Speaker 05

  It's gonna be long, but yeah, I'm, I'm gonna give my less than. Uh, it's, you need to think.

• 1:19:59Doug DeMuro?

  Not a sports car, brother.

• 1:20:01Speaker 05

  Technically, it was a supercar at the time.

• 1:20:03Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, alright.

• 1:20:04Speaker 05

  So E46 M3.

• 1:20:05Doug DeMuro?

  Plus, remember Lambo built it. Alright.

• 1:20:07Speaker 05

  Is that the top for me? Then I would say, then personally, I think E9X M3.

• 1:20:11Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:20:12Speaker 05

  The V8.

• 1:20:13Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, that is a surprise for all of us. BMW, what they do is they build six cylinders.

• 1:20:18Speaker 06

  I tried to get for you, I wrote down before you started talking, and I had E9X as the second class one. For you, that what I thought you were gonna say.

• 1:20:24Speaker 05

  No, the E9X still like, although it is not as traditional in terms of its engine. It's the only weird one.

• 1:20:31Speaker 06

  Instead of an inline six, which BMW is famous for, the second best M3 actually doesn't have one at all.

• 1:20:35Doug DeMuro?

  Can I tell you one interesting thing about doing the M3s? There are six M3s. One interesting thing about doing the M3s is the M5s, the Corvettes, there are some that I, that are not as good, clearly. It's hard with the M3s.

• 1:20:46Speaker 05

  It's really hard.

• 1:20:48Doug DeMuro?

  I don't see one in here that, F80's probably gotta be last.

• 1:20:52Speaker 05

  I think F80 is prob, yeah. I think, oh.

• 1:20:55Doug DeMuro?

  E36.

• 1:20:56Speaker 06

  Kenan Owen.

• 1:20:57Speaker 05

  Hard, I really.

• 1:20:58Doug DeMuro?

  You're over. Okay, I'm gonna throw another curveball. S52 swapped E30. That's first.

• 1:21:03Speaker 06

  We need Kenan to answer. Kenan, alright, you've gone through the first two, and which is E46 and then E9X. What's next?

• 1:21:09Speaker 05

  Uh, then I would say. I don't know what I'm doing. Need a break. Forget it, I quit.

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• 1:22:13Speaker 05

  It's so difficult.

• 1:22:15Doug DeMuro?

  Doug.

• 1:22:15Speaker 05

  I would say probably then, probably then E30.

• 1:22:17Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow. Okay.

• 1:22:19Speaker 05

  Because it is, it's a lot of money to go slow, but it is really well balanced and it is very attractive.

• 1:22:24Doug DeMuro?

  And, and then.

• 1:22:24Speaker 05

  Not as much as it used to be.

• 1:22:25Doug DeMuro?

  And once again, not a six cylinder, but okay.

• 1:22:28Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:22:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, BMW does six cylinders. It's number two and number three cars don't have them. All right, continue.

• 1:22:32Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:22:33Doug DeMuro?

  So you got E, you got E30 next. So now you got to pick between E36, F80 and G80.

• 1:22:37Speaker 05

  Right. I think I would put.

• 1:22:41Speaker 05

  I think because the E36 comes in a Euro, I think I'd put E36 next. Do I have to put the US somewhere else?

• 1:22:47Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:22:48Speaker 06

  No, we're just talking US.

• 1:22:50Doug DeMuro?

  You're just talking US. Yikes.

• 1:22:52Speaker 06

  You gotta go.

• 1:22:52Doug DeMuro?

  Where, where do we live?

• 1:22:53Speaker 06

  You have to go G80 next.

• 1:22:54Doug DeMuro?

  Have you driven a G80?

• 1:22:55Speaker 05

  I still haven't.

• 1:22:56Doug DeMuro?

  Put you in a G80, you put it above the E30. Put it above the E9X.

• 1:23:00Speaker 05

  I bet I wouldn't. Uh, I think, yeah, okay, I would, I would.

• 1:23:06Doug DeMuro?

  E30, give him, give him.

• 1:23:07Speaker 05

  I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say G, I'm gonna say, I'm going to say E36 still. Then G80, then F80, and then.

• 1:23:16Doug DeMuro?

  That's it.

• 1:23:16Speaker 05

  And that's the end.

• 1:23:17Doug DeMuro?

  All right. My list is completely different.

• 1:23:19Speaker 06

  Give it to me.

• 1:23:20Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I'm gonna say G80 first. It is sacrilegious. I'm gonna get destroyed in the comments for this.

• 1:23:25Speaker 05

  I'm not touching that one.

• 1:23:26Doug DeMuro?

  But I gotta be honest with you. I've.

• 1:23:27Speaker 06

  Isle of Man green.

• 1:23:28Doug DeMuro?

  The fact that they're still doing a stick.

• 1:23:30Speaker 06

  A hard.

• 1:23:30Doug DeMuro?

  The fact that they're still doing a stick sedan that is that fast and that fun. I guarantee you 98% of the people in the comments are driving modded E9Xs with mismatched wheels and a, and a wrong color hood. And they're, they've never been in a G80. The G80 is a seriously excellent car still. What BMW does great is build six cylinders, little cars that are tossable and manual. And they still do it and it is still great. And I get that it's ugly, but it is not all that big yet. If we'd like for the E39 M5 size, we gotta like the G88 M3 size. And it is a fun, seriously fun car to drive. I get that it's ugly, but not every car is attractive.

• 1:24:06Speaker 05

  I don't, I, I, I don't disagree with that. Uh, it's a hard sell over the rest of the lineage, but it's a great car.

• 1:24:14Doug DeMuro?

  It's a great car. Wireless car.

• 1:24:16Speaker 05

  But this isn't, isn't gonna be considered an icon. The, the E46, the E30 is an icon for a reason.

• 1:24:21Doug DeMuro?

  In 25 years.

• 1:24:22Speaker 06

  Manual.

• 1:24:23Doug DeMuro?

  Everyone's gonna say.

• 1:24:24Speaker 05

  I, look, I don't disagree. I, I love that car. I love that car.

• 1:24:29Speaker 05

  We live right now.

• 1:24:30Doug DeMuro?

  In, in, yeah, but I can see where this is going.

• 1:24:33Speaker 05

  You know, we've said that.

• 1:24:34Doug DeMuro?

  The next one will be a plugin, the next one will be an automatic, then they're gonna go electric, they're gonna get even uglier, and in 25 years, people are gonna look back at the G80, the last manual, the last six cylinder, and say, just like they do with the Carrera GT and the Ford GT and the RS4 and all those cars, the R8, all those cars from that era, that was the end. We didn't know it at the time. We hated some of those cars at the time. Now we love them. That's gonna be the G80 story.

• 1:24:55Speaker 05

  You're acting like the other cars still exist. It's not like they've completely disappeared.

• 1:25:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but I would rather have a G80. It's more powerful, it's more fun. Honestly, it's still incredibly fun to throw around. It's faster than all these other cars are on a racetrack, so it handles great too, and it's a modern car.

• 1:25:09Speaker 05

  Here's the thing about you, Rukas, another tangent, but another thing about you is you say this stuff about the car, then you drive one of the others, you're like, you know, this actually, but if you, we need to do it.

• 1:25:16Doug DeMuro?

  I love the other cars.

• 1:25:17Speaker 05

  We need to do a challenge where you drive all of them back to back to back, and then decide.

• 1:25:20Doug DeMuro?

  I've driven all these cars pretty extensively over time. Like, seriously, pretty extensively. I mean, I gotta go G80.

• 1:25:26Speaker 05

  What's after G80?

• 1:25:28Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, E30.

• 1:25:29Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:25:29Doug DeMuro?

  Then E46. Um, then, uh, it's US only?

• 1:25:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:35Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, then E92, uh, E36, and F80.

• 1:25:41Speaker 05

  Poor F80. What did the F80 ever do to you?

• 1:25:42Doug DeMuro?

  F80 is great. F80 is an awesome car. It just represented the beginning of a largening car.

• 1:25:47Speaker 05

  The G80 is just a better version of that.

• 1:25:47Doug DeMuro?

  And the G80 is a better F80, like, ultimately.

• 1:25:50Speaker 05

  I think that the, the F80 is actually one of the best looking M3s.

• 1:25:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, looks great.

• 1:25:54Speaker 05

  I have with it is, it is, it is pretty sanitized, and there is no way to make that car sound good. They all, you put an exhaust on it, and it sounds awful.

• 1:26:01Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, those are your list.

• 1:26:03Speaker 05

  That list is a little crazy, but.

• 1:26:04Doug DeMuro?

  My, I know everybody's gonna hate G80, but I promise you, come back to this pod in 20 years.

• 1:26:10Speaker 05

  We'll both have them.

• 1:26:10Doug DeMuro?

  Long gone. Uh, and, no, but I promise you, I can see where this is going. The cars that people hate are the ones that become desirable later, and the fact that this is the end of the line, we will look back on this and say, The cars are all old now, but at least the G80 is the newest, the fastest that ever got what BMW did so well.

• 1:26:27Speaker 05

  I don't disagree, but we see which direction it's going and it makes me appreciate the older stuff more.

• 1:26:30Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, but the problem with the older stuff is it's unreliable, it's slow, and in the case of the E46.

• 1:26:34Speaker 05

  No, the only reason the new stuff is not reliable because it's not old yet. Give it time, it'll have problems.

• 1:26:39Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:26:39Speaker 05

  BMW.

• 1:26:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's our last question. The podcast is over. Filippo, do you have any parting thoughts?

• 1:26:44Speaker 06

  Can I say two things?

• 1:26:45Doug DeMuro?

  Very quickly.

• 1:26:45Speaker 06

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• 1:26:49Doug DeMuro?

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• 1:26:51Speaker 06

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• 1:26:53Doug DeMuro?

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  I'm the only person who hasn't sold anything this podcast. Well, that was our best podcast ever.

• 1:27:14Doug DeMuro?

  Our best podcast ever. G80M3 to the stars.

• 1:27:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, all right. Goodbye.

• 1:27:19Speaker 06

  Goodbye.