168. How Story Can Change Everything in Your Career

Make your message memorable. “Immediately forgettable” — that’s how Matthew Dicks https://www.fastersmarter.io/guests/matthew-dicks/ describes most of the business communication that he encounters. If you want to be remembered, he says, it’s time to tell stories. A veteran elementary school teacher, storytelling coach, and best-selling author, Dicks knows how the right narrative can transform mundane messages into stories that stick. In his book, Storyworthy: Engage, Teach, Persuade, and Change Your Life through the Power of Storytelling https://fastersmarter.io/storyworthy, he explores how to capture and hold an audience’s attention, which is particularly critical for business leaders. "When we tell a story about a product or service, the people we work with, our company, we become memorable and interesting and entertaining in a way that doesn't happen very often in business," he says. In this episode of Think Fast, Talk Smart https://www.fastersmarter.io/, Dicks and host Matt Abrahams discuss practical techniques for crafting compelling narratives, from setting a scene to creating suspense. “Don’t build a building. Don’t buy a machine,” he says. Becoming a better storyteller is one of the most effective ways to level up. “It’s a crazy thing for businesses,” he says. Episode Reference Links: Matthew Dicks https://www.fastersmarter.io/guests/matthew-dicks/Matthew’s Book: Storyworthy https://fastersmarter.io/storyworthy Ep.50 Telling Good Stories: How to Use the Elements of Narrative to Keep Listeners Engaged https://www.fastersmarter.io/50-telling-good-stories-how-to-use-the-elements-of-narrative-to-keep-listeners-engaged/Ep.47 Quick Thinks: How to Use Storytelling to Be a Better Founder https://www.fastersmarter.io/47-quick-thinks-how-to-use-storytelling-to-be-a-better-founder/ Connect: Premium Signup >>>> Think Fast Talk Smart Premium https://www.fastersmarter.io/premium/Email Questions & Feedback >>> [email protected] Transcripts >>>Think Fast Talk Smart Website https://www.fastersmarter.io/168-how-story-can-change-everything-in-your-career/Newsletter Signup + English Language Learning >>>FasterSmarter.io http://fastersmarter.io/Think Fast Talk Smart >>>LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/think-fast-talk-smart/,Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thinkfasttalksmart/, YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6caGRBUYZCmgDGM2RK6mxKB9jG_ccmm3Matt Abrahams >>>LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/maabrahams/ Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction (00:49) - Why Storytelling Matters in Business (02:25) - The Essence of a Good Story (04:26) - Become a Better Storyteller (06:06) - Using Suspense in Stories (08:12) - Suspense in Business Communication (10:14) - Structuring Stories Like Scenes (12:23) - Relating Stories to Life (14:50) - Homework for Life (17:30) - Storytelling Delivery (18:37) - The Final Three Questions (22:42) - Conclusion ******** Thank you to our sponsors. These partnerships support the ongoing production of the podcast, allowing us to bring it to you at no cost. Learn more about how Notion https://www.notion.com/?utm_source=podcasts&utm_medium=thinkfast can support your business at notion.com/thinkfast. https://www.notion.com/?utm_source=podcasts&utm_medium=thinkfast Join our Think Fast Talk Smart Learning Community and become the communicator you want to be. https://learning.fastersmarter.io/?redirect_from=podpage

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• 0:00Matt Abrahams?

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• 1:33Matt Abrahams?

  My name is Matt Abrahams and I teach strategic communication at Stanford Graduate School of Business. Welcome to Think Fast, Talk Smart, the podcast.

• 1:46Matt Abrahams?

  Today, I'm really excited to interview Matt Dix. Matt is a bestselling novelist, elementary school teacher and storytelling coach. Matt wrote the book Storyworthy: Engage, Teach, Persuade and Change Your Life Through the Power of Storytelling. Matt, thanks for being here. I'm super excited for our conversation. I am thrilled as well. Shall we get started? Yeah, let's get going. You've mastered the art of storytelling in various formats. To help us get started, can you share how great storytelling can enhance everyday communication, particularly in a business environment?

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Sure. You know, I think that most of the business communication that I encounter in the world tends to be what I say, round, white, and flavorless, meaning it's ultimately forgettable and almost immediately forgettable. But when we tell a story about a product or service, the people we work with, you know, our company, what happens is we become memorable and interesting and entertaining in a way that doesn't happen very often in business. And so if we look at companies or we look at people in business, the ones who tell stories are the ones we remember, the ones who gain our attention, and those are the people who are gonna sort of reach their goals. So I think when it comes to storytelling, the great thing about it is because so few

• 3:07Speaker 01

  people really engage in it in a meaningful way, you can almost do just a little bit of storytelling and really make a mark in business because so often it is done poorly or not at all. So it's a no-brainer for me, and it's also beautiful in that it doesn't cost you a penny. You know, other than maybe hiring the consultant, you don't have to build a building, you don't have to buy a program, you know, you don't need to buy a machine, it's just leveling up what your people can already do. Because everyone tells stories, most people tell, you know, not-so-great stories, but it doesn't take much to become a very good storyteller. So it's a crazy thing for businesses not to be doing.

• 3:45Matt Abrahams?

  What makes for a good story? And I know this is a big question, but I'd love to hear sort of the essentials from your perspective.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  You know, I think the first thing people really have to sort of understand and embody is the idea that no one ever wants to hear anything you have to say or show them unless you give them a reason to do so. I work with a lot of vice presidents who's gonna take the stage at the Javits Center, and because there's 5,000 peoples in a chair and he has a microphone, the assumption is they will listen to me. And I have to sort of dissuade people from believing that because I have been in many audiences where I'm Sitting in a theater and I am not listening to anything anyone is saying because it is genuinely not entertaining. So the first thing we have to do as storytellers is acknowledge that it is our imperative to say things in such a way that make people want to hear us.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  And then in terms of telling a great story, what people really do need to think about is the idea that every story is about a singular moment in our lives or in the lives of our business, which means there's a moment of change. A story is designed to explain that moment of change with the greatest clarity possible. So about 95% of a story is really just the setup to the singular moment that we're trying to achieve at the end. And this applies to every book you read, every movie you watch. They're all essentially aiming to a moment where someone is going to encounter a situation where they have to make a decision that's going to result in a fundamental change in their life. The problem most people have is instead of telling a story, which is about change, they report on their lives.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  I'm going to tell you some stuff that happened to me over the course of some chronological period. And that is why we have spouses and parents. So unless something meaningful happened that touched your heart and touched your mind in some significant way, you don't really have a story. So figuring out what a story is, understanding what a story is not, and then really believing that your audience doesn't care about you unless you give them a reason to care about you. All those things are pertinent if you want to tell a great story.

• 5:46Matt Abrahams?

  Can you share a few of the strategies that you coach and teach people to help them be better storytellers?

• 5:52Speaker 01

  I tend to think that the beginnings of stories are the most important parts of a story. I used to sort of think that beginning and endings were equal, but I've sort of come to the realization that if people aren't listening to you, the end of your story is irrelevant. Sort of like a story is a plane ride from A to B, but if they don't get on your plane, it does not matter if you've taken a lovely journey because no one was there to hear it. So I tend to think the first 30 seconds, one minute of your story, however long it takes to sort of get it launched off the ground is critical. And so if we're telling a story, I tell people one of the easiest things they can begin to do is simply begin your story with location and action. Where are you and what are you doing? It's a beautiful way to begin a story because first of all, it silences everyone.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  Our brains are trained to listen to story. So if you begin a story with location and action, it's a signal to everyone else's brain to shut the hell up. Because a story is being told and our ancient brains say, this is going to be important. This is going to be valuable. So we start with location. I'm standing in a kitchen. You automatically can see a kitchen. You probably see your own kitchen or your parents' kitchen, or maybe a kitchen you see on television. But I want to leverage your imagination. And then we begin with action as well, because people want stories to begin. And most people don't start stories with action. They begin with explanation. But that's not how movies begin. Movies begin with something is happening and we're going to teach you along the way what you need to know. That's what storytellers have to do.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  So if they just begin with location and action on every story that they tell, they're instantly going to become much better storytellers and people are going to listen to them.

• 7:26Matt Abrahams?

  Wow, you said so many things there that are so important. That analogy to movies and how movies start with action that gets you engaged. And I love that you're reinforcing something we've talked a lot about, that our brains are wired for story. We're not good with lists. We're not good with bullet points. What role do emotions like suspense and curiosity play in effective storytelling?

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Our goal as storytellers is to get people to want us to say the next sentence, to wonder what the next sentence is. And so one of the best ways to do it is through suspense. And suspense essentially is just the strategic inclusion of some information with the strategic exclusion of other information. So people always tell me, well, my story isn't suspenseful. And I say, no story is inherently suspenseful. It is the way the storyteller crafts it that creates suspense. The best example I have is a crossword puzzle. A crossword puzzle is nothing more than a suspense device. It says, there's a five letter word for the color blue. So you now know you have a clue and you know it's five letters. I've created suspense in your mind and right now in the minds of everyone listening to us. If you've figured it out, you feel great.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  And as a storyteller, I'm thrilled because when you solve the riddles that I create in my stories, dopamine Is released and you suddenly feel good about yourself and I'm the one who caused that to happen. So it makes you like me more. And the great thing about suspense is the closer you get to having that suspense solved, the more suspense becomes inevitable. At the end of a mystery novel, that is the absolute moment of maximum suspense. You have all the clues, the murderer is about to be revealed and you're absolutely as close to the edge of your seat as possible. So if I tell you that that five letter word for the color blue starts with an A, now I've actually increased suspense by giving you more information, right? And so now your

• 9:16Speaker 01

  audience is thinking, what is a five letter word for the color blue, beginning with the letter A, right? So the more information that we sort of drip into a story, the greater the level of suspense, which is creates the greater level of wonder, which means people want to hear more about what we're trying to say.

• 9:33Matt Abrahams?

  Can you translate that into something someone in business might do? So I'm creating a marketing presentation or an all hands meeting update. How might you use suspense in that regard? I mean, do you start by saying, hey, I'm going to share the results of our quarter with you, but first I'm going to do this? Or how do you make that reality?

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Steve Jobs, when he launched the iPhone, the initial iPhone, the first thing he says when he comes out onto the stage is, I have been waiting two years to share with you what I'm going to talk about today. Something has caused the CEO of this amazing company to wait two years in order to talk about it, right? That instantly creates a sense of wonder what is going to happen. So rather than saying, I'm here to report on the quarterly results, I might say something like, I've got three things to tell you about the quarterly results. That already creates suspense because that creates three mental buckets in everyone's mind. It is just inherently a need to figure out what's going to be in those buckets. And then if whoever's reporting says,

• 10:35Speaker 01

  I'm here to report the quarterly results. I have two great things to tell you and one thing we need to work on. That is also suspense now, which is strategic inclusion of information alongside the strategic exclusion of information. We don't want to begin our talks with, we're going to talk about three things today, and then you say the three things. Well, you've just killed all the suspense. Also, if you're building a deck, for example, people kill suspense all the time with a deck by putting up words on a slide that they are simultaneously speaking. So if we can just be thinking about, how can I tell my audience some of the things that are coming, but not all of the things that are coming? And if I can be strategic about saying things that create wonder in the minds of the audience, now I'm going to hold them for a longer period of time.

• 11:16Matt Abrahams?

  I like this use of the word wonder. It's a powerful way to think about what we're trying to accomplish when we communicate.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. By the way, did you get the five-letter word for blue yet? Have you figured it out?

• 11:28Matt Abrahams?

  I think it's azure.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Very good. I just had to make sure. I didn't want your audience members to be suffering. Yes, very good. It's the color of the sky.

• 11:35Matt Abrahams?

  Yes. And I have to admit, part of the reason I knew it was azure is it was a wordle for me a while back. I'd love to get your insight into story and story structure. What do you think about how structure helps or doesn't in storytelling?

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Let's say I'm telling a personal story that I'm going to use in a leadership context. I'm going to tell you a story about something that happened to me, and I'm going to glean from it some wisdom that I'm going to bestow upon my team. Just like a filmmaker, you want to think about each location that you occupy in your story as a scene. And so each one of those scenes can be carefully crafted. You can actually use comic book panels, which a lot of my visual learners will use. People will draw what happens in the story. Sometimes they'll list words that they have to say in each scene. So thinking about that in terms of structure is helpful. It also allows you the ability to begin to manipulate the scenes because oftentimes a story is best told not chronologically. So when you start to think about a story as a collection of movable scenes that can

• 12:33Speaker 01

  be adjusted and sometimes even eliminated completely, that really helps people sort of get a hold of storytelling.

• 12:40Matt Abrahams?

  And I just want to get a point of clarification. I understand location when you're telling a story that takes place in the real world, but in a business context, location could, I imagine, also mean, we're going to start by looking at the financial data, and then we're going to move on to a different location, which might be the implementation space. So, so location doesn't have to be like a physical space in the world. It could be just a landing space for content. Is that correct?

• 13:05Speaker 01

  It is, although if you can get physical spaces into these moments, I think it's really powerful. One of my, one of my inclinations, for example, if I was reporting on the quarterly results, I would probably begin with something to the effect of, I was sitting at my desk when the results came in. I opened up the results and here's some things that I'm going to report to you today. That creates a movie in the minds of the audience, right? They now see you opening those results for the first time at a desk. And now it feels like you're sitting at the desk with them. We don't remember PowerPoint decks, but we remember people sitting at desks, opening up quarterly reports and being surprised by what they see.

• 13:44Matt Abrahams?

  In addition to or beyond analogies, are there other tools to help us see the story and ultimately engage and remember it better?

• 13:52Speaker 01

  What we start with when we're communicating is we want to ask ourselves what the theme, meaning, or message is that we're trying to deliver. I was working with a contract attorney recently, and he was talking about how he needed to talk to his team about being more specific in the language in their contracts, that they were sort of failing to do that. And so we identified the theme, meaning, or message. The theme was consistency, relentlessness, attention to detail, that kind of a thing. And so then I said, well, what story can we tell from our lives? Or what metaphor can we find that will apply to that? Now, he didn't have anything, so I gave him my example, which he ultimately stole. But I said, when I go to a restaurant, I always tell the server that I don't want a pickle on my plate,

• 14:38Speaker 01

  because the pickle is the only item that restaurants arbitrarily just place on your plate without warning. You order a hamburger, and for some reason, an enormous dill pickle can be found lying beside it. I hate pickles. I cannot stand them. And the worst thing about pickles is they infect everything else on the plate. Your hamburger and your french fries will taste like pickle if there's a pickle on the plate. So no matter what I order in a restaurant, I say, and please, no pickle on the plate. That was the story that I would tell his contract team. The approach that I take towards pickles when I'm ordering food at a restaurant is the same approach I want you to take towards contracts, meaning relentless attention to detail, even if it seems unnecessary. I do not want there to be a single loophole in any contract,

• 15:21Speaker 01

  which means clam chowder does not come with pickles, and we're going to say it even if it sounds crazy. He loved it. And I said, well, what's your story? And he said, I'm just going to use that one. Now, Ideally, the best version of this situation is he finds a personal story that is relatable to him because then he becomes more relatable to his team at the same time. That's the beauty of storytelling. If you take an actual story or a metaphor from your life and you use that in your business story, not only are you communicating more effectively, but you're also sharing of yourself. You become known as the boss who hates pickles, right? And if you do that often enough, people get to know you on a personal level and they start to like you and be more connected to you. Let me add one more thing that I didn't mention.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  The beauty of that pickle story is now every time a pickle crosses the plate of one of his team members, they're going to be reminded of his lesson and the importance of it.

• 16:11Matt Abrahams?

  Do you recommend that people stockpile story? And if so, how and where do they find these stories to stockpile?

• 16:17Speaker 01

  So the best way to find stories in my mind is something I call homework for life. I was sort of desperate a little more than a decade ago now for finding stories. I was telling stories on stages all over the country and I didn't want to become one of those storytellers who tells the same story every time. So in an effort to find new stories, I gave myself this homework. I'm an elementary school teacher for 25 years, so I'm inclined to solve problems through homework. Essentially, what I started doing was, this is the prompt I actually gave myself, what was the most story-worthy moment that happened over the course of the day? Meaning, if someone kidnapped my family and wouldn't give them back unless I told a story about something that happened over the course of that particular day, what would the story be even if it's not entertaining?

• 17:00Speaker 01

  I write down the moment. My thought was, I'll get one moment per day. Maybe I'll find one new story per month, 12 new stories per year. That would be fantastic. Instead, what I discover is our lives are just filled with stories. Our lives are packed with stories that we don't notice. Things are said to us, or we see things, or we do things, and they sort of go unacknowledged in the busyness of life. And so homework for life taught me that all of these moments are happening all the time. And when we capture them, suddenly, in addition to a lot of other benefits, we suddenly have stories to tell. And instead of getting 12 new stories per year, I get hundreds of new stories every year because I see things that I previously did not see. Unicorn in any way. Everyone who does homework for life, tens of thousands of people all over

• 17:45Speaker 01

  the world now, they all report the same results. And so it's the thing that generates the most content for me. And then the beauty of homework for life is everyone says that time flies, but it doesn't really. What happens is it goes by unaccounted for. So if I ask you, how many days from 2023 can you really remember from last year? If you're really good, you can remember maybe 100 days. So of course, time flies for you because you've essentially wiped out 265 moments of memory that you've thrown aside. Those days were worth something like things happened on those days that were worth remembering. Most people can probably only remember about maybe 30 or 40 days from last year, which means you're really wiping out so much of your memory.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  In 2015, I was capturing about one and a half moments per day, 1.5. Last year, it was 7.8. It's not because my life is more interesting last year than it was in 2015. It's because my lens for storytelling, my awareness for what makes a story, my acknowledgement for what has meaning in my life, all of those things have increased considerably.

• 18:51Matt Abrahams?

  Absolutely. It is one thing to craft a compelling story, but it's another thing to deliver it. What advice do you have that can translate to people's everyday lives in terms of how we actually tell a story, not craft it, but tell it?

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Right. So I practice is unfortunately the best advice I can give someone, which is tell more stories. The person who tells the most stories is probably the best storyteller. You know, when it comes to the actual delivery of a story, there's, there's really four components that you can sort of play with, but it's basically pacing, pausing, pitch and volume. But what you want to be thinking about is things like, well, at this part of the story, I'm sort of in a rush, so I should increase the pace, right? Or I'm approaching the end of the story. And when you approach the end of almost any story, you should start to decrease the volume and decrease your pacing. It's a signal to the audience that we're coming to the end, which is great for an audience, right? And so storytellers can signal these things too by reducing our speed and our volume at the end to let people know, okay, hang on, we're

• 19:51Speaker 01

  coming to the end here and I'm about to say something important. So thinking about those things, but practice is going to be critical.

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• 22:01Matt Abrahams?

  Matt, this has been fantastic. Before we end, I'd like to ask you three questions. One, I create just for you, and two, I've been asking everybody who's ever been on this show. Are you up for answering those?

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I love this part.

• 22:15Matt Abrahams?

  What have your students taught you? So you teach elementary school. I can imagine you've learned a lot from your students. Can you share one of the lessons you've learned from your students that you use in your everyday life?

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Every day I go to school and I occupy a room with 21 other human beings. And I've been doing that now for 25 years. And in doing so, what I've discovered is that through them, through their presence, I've discovered that life is best lived when it is filled with a diversity of people. And I would not have had that opportunity had I not occupied a singular space with 20 to 25 people every day for the last 25 years.

• 22:55Matt Abrahams?

  That lesson, I think, is very powerful. But more importantly, I want to point out that you used storytelling techniques to answer your question. And I'd like everybody to just reflect on that for a moment. You started by putting us in your classroom. And then you used vivid description and detail to help us understand the lesson that you learned. So storytelling isn't just for making your point. You can use storytelling in answering your questions and giving feedback. It's a tool that allows you to connect and communicate.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I almost never answer a question absent a story. My wife can tell you that that is absolutely the case. The simplest trick I give to people is if someone asks you how you're doing, you should never say good or bad or well. I will always say when someone says, how are you doing? I'll say, well, it was a little crazy this afternoon because my son had Little League and my daughter had dance and then they both had scouts, which is my way of saying I'm a parent with two kids and they're very involved in a whole bunch of things.

• 23:52Matt Abrahams?

  Question number two, who is a communicator that you admire and why?

• 23:58Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say my wife, which feels like a terrible cop out, I admit. My wife is a tremendous communicator because she understands the value of exceedingly direct communication. She does not ever sort of try to avoid a difficult conversation and everything that she says is tempered with good intent.

• 24:22Matt Abrahams?

  Final question for you, Matt. What are the first three ingredients that go into a successful communication recipe? And I can imagine for someone like you, you've got lots of ingredients. What are, what are, would you say are the first three?

• 24:34Speaker 01

  I'll say vulnerability first, meaning you're going to be willing to talk about the things that a lot of people avoid talking about. That is a draw to anyone when we're willing to talk about our failures. You know, when Domino's in 2009 came out with their campaign that said, our pizza is terrible. That campaign succeeded because of the vulnerability that they were willing to express in that campaign. I think number two is relatable. I tell a story about going through the windshield of my car when I'm 17 and I actually die on the side of the road and am brought back to life through CPR. That is not a relatable story and yet it is the most famous story that I tell because that story ends in the emergency room when my parents fail to show up and my friends fill a role that has been empty for me for a long time.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  It becomes relatable because everyone understands what it's like to be let down at some point by a parent or another loved one. So making sure that your stories are not relatable in terms of the content, like, oh, this happened to me, so maybe it happened to you. But instead, thinking about what is this story really about? And is that thing that it is really about relatable to other human beings? And then the last word I'll say, which I've said a bunch of times already here is entertaining. No one wants to listen to you unless you're going to be entertaining and that can be funny, that can be suspenseful. Sometimes entertaining is just, I'm going to tell you something you've never heard before and it's going to blow your mind.

• 25:52Matt Abrahams?

  Vulnerability, relatability, and being entertaining, essential ingredients. Matt, thank you for sharing.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  Thank you. It was my honor.

• 26:06Matt Abrahams?

  Thank you for joining us for another episode of Think Fast, Talk Smart, the Podcast. To learn more about storytelling, please listen to episode 50 with Paula Moya and episode 47 with Stephanos Zenios. This episode was produced by Jenny Luna, Michael Riley, and me, Matt Ibrahams. Our music is from Floyd Wonder, with special thanks to Podium Podcast Company. Please find us on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to subscribe and rate us. Also, follow us on LinkedIn and Instagram, and check out FasterSmarter.io for deep dive videos, English language learning content, and our newsletter.

• 26:54Matt Abrahams?

  Before we wrap up, I just want to say thank you for listening. It really means a lot to hear how people all over the world are using these ideas in their own lives. It inspires me and the whole team that brings you this show. If you want more episodes and resources, feel free to follow, subscribe, and explore past conversations. We're grateful for your support of Think Fast, Talk Smart.