I Have Some Thoughts Minisode | VMA's, Migos AI Trend, Kirk Franklin & Glorilla, & A Different World Reboot

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  Hey, y'all. Welcome back to another episode of I Have Some Thoughts on Therapy for Black Girls, mini-soad series where we are talking about all things pop culture, but of course, from a mental health lens. And Bria is back with me today. Hey, Bria.

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  Hey, Dr. Joy. Excited to get into the topics for the week. Lots on the docket today, so we'll start with the VMAs. The MTV Video Music Awards took place this past weekend, and it sparked a lot of conversation about Black artists and cultural recognition. Notably, in the Song of Summer category, Young Miami's "Spin That" was excluded, despite how popular and how it's really been carrying the summer along. More broadly, though, much of the recognition for Black artists at the VMAs continues to be concentrated within the genre-specific categories of Best Hip-Hop Song, Best R&B Song.

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  And, you know, it's raising questions about who gets considered to be part of the larger mainstream cultural conversations? And what happens when the culture recognizes that you're an impactful artist, but the institutions just will not? So I guess, like, to start us off, like, why are Black artists often celebrated for shaping culture, even within these same institutions and trends and TikToks and memes? But when it comes to recognizing that same impact on these larger stages, it just doesn't happen?

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  Well, one, I think the larger conversation is, does the VMAs still have any kind of cultural relevance?

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  Actually.

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  I didn't even know it was happening, right? Like, it feels like a long time ago, the VMAs were a big, big deal, and like, people made a whole event out of it, right? I didn't even know that they were happening, so.

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  I know Beyonce used to be at VMAs.

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  Right, right. The Queen used to grace y'all with her presence. So who won Song of the Summer?

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  Ariana Grande, "Hate That I Made You Love Me," won this year's Song of Summer.

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  Well, I don't know that song in particular, but I of course know Ariana Grande. So I mean, I feel like that's a big name to contend with. But I definitely feel like "Spin That" was everywhere, like, I was, right? In the circles that, you know, matter to me. But I think racism is the short answer to why we continue to be left out of these conversations, right? Like, it is one thing for our culture to shape larger culture and for people to kind of want to imitate us and kind of steal from us and adopt our culture into their own. But then when it is time to give these more traditional, more conventional kinds of prim and proper awards, so to speak, then we are largely left out of those conversations. And I think it just is a continuing conversation of us making sure that we are going where we are celebrated

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  and not just where we're tolerated, right? So how big can we make the BET Awards? Are we, you know, creating our own ways to recognize each other and other people? As opposed to waiting on recognition from these institutions that continue to disappoint us?

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  Definitely. And I feel like there's often this push and pull of the awards shouldn't matter, but they do. And it's like a kind of a circle of, you know, you want the accolades, especially when it comes to some of like the larger awards, like the Grammys and the Emmys, and like, all of these different things too. But I think, like, the people who have the power to, like, validate the success within the industry and like, and I say validate very loosely, like, with air quotes, because it's not that we need that validation. But as an artist, like, why can being overlooked make you, like, start to question your accomplishments? And if they were even as significant as they were? But also this, like, desire to, like, make them understand, if that makes sense?

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  Or to help them to understand the culture that's being created?

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  Yeah, and you know, I don't know that this is true for the VMAs, probably not, especially these days. You mentioned, like, things like Emmys and Oscars and Grammys. Like, those things hold, I think, actual weight. Like, I feel like I remember us having a similar conversation after Michael B. Jordan won his Oscar, right? Like, how immediately there was a bump in pay. And so there are very material consequences to winning these kinds of things. Again, probably not for the VMAs, but I do understand why artists want to be recognized with some of these major awards, because it can lead to additional opportunities. And I don't think that there's anything wrong with that, right? Like, if you are somebody who is serious about your craft and there is an award given and you have done really good work,

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  I don't think that there's anything wrong with wanting to be considered and wanting to win. I think the thing to be careful of, though, is that we don't do too much relying on these external things to validate the work that has been really important, maybe both to us and meaningful to our communities, if that is important to us, right? Like, those things can't be louder, or you can't allow those awards to be louder than the very real impact that I think a lot of work that comes from our community actually has.

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  Definitely. Thank you for that. So for our second topic, we're gonna talk about how AI has gone a little too far.

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  So this past week, there's been a trend that started up on social media. People are calling it the Migos AI trend. Essentially, what it does is it takes cuevo and takeoff from the Migos. They did a 2022 Colors performance of their song Hotel Lobby. It's like an orange background, there's a mic, they're like rapping and doing ad-libs and things. But people are essentially taking that setting and replacing it with two other people, whether it's celebrities or other figures. There was one with Michelle and Barack Obama circulating. It's just people are doing whatever. So unfortunately, the trend went a little too far when a video of the trend using Nolan Wells and his mother went viral.

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  Obviously, over the last week, not great news as far as Nolan Wells's death being not ruled a homicide, just being accidental with drowning, so lots of sensitive feelings around that. And then similarly, there's another picture of Kev on stage. He was doing a show and he was crying because he's doing, on a comedy tour surrounding the loss of his brother. And someone AI-generated a picture of his brother in the picture, like, consoling him while he was crying. Now, this conversation has been happening for a while now, but I feel like these events happening so back-to-back has really just reignited this discussion

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  of what actually happens when technology can manufacture these images of people and events that feel very emotionally real, even though they never happened, but also are just insensitive too. So like, I can't wrap my head around, like, why people are doing this at all.

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  Yeah, it is so odd. So I was also confused as to just where this trend came from, but I guess we don't always know where trends come from. I think the first one I saw was one with Fred Sanford and Aunt Esther. And I was like, no, who thought to put Fred Sanford and Aunt Esther on the orange background?

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  Yeah.

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  It is just so like bizarre to me and feels like, uh, like, okay, this is somebody with too much time on their hands.

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  Right.

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  But I do think it brings up larger questions around like being able to manipulate things so easily with AI. I think it's something that we have to be very conscientious about, right? Because I think people think it feels very harmless and like, oh, I'm just playing around. But again, to our earlier conversation on the podcast around like the impact of AI usage and like the casual usage related to water streams and noise pollution and all of these things, like being able to use it for something so frivolous as putting on Esther and Fred Sanford in it, like, why? Why are we doing these kinds of things, right? And so I think that there's the one side of the conversation that is about like, do we need to overuse this as just this tool that feels like meaningless,

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  but it's not actually meaningless? But then the points that you introduce around how it's being used in very sensitive kinds of situations, right? So with Nolan Wells and his mom and with Kev On Stage and his brother, we have to stop and think about, is this something that is actually helpful? Or is it actually hurting the family that you are hoping to? And again, and you know, I saw Kev's response, he did a video about like, please don't do this, like, please don't send me videos with my brother like comforting me because he wasn't actually there. And he made great points around, you know, thinking that people maybe have good intentions, right? Like they are thinking they are offering something that is of comfort,

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  but it's actually not comforting people. And so I think we have to take ourselves out of the vantage point of these situations and like centering our own experience and truly think about whether this is something that would be comforting to us. But even still, it may not be comforting to this person. And so you have to ask yourself, like, what is the motivation of me sharing this? Is it just wanting to be a part of the conversation? Am I trying to offer some kind of comfort? Like, what is actually the point of creating these kinds of things? And being open to listening when people say, I don't want this and this is not actually helpful. So maybe it makes you stop and think twice before you actually produce some kind of image that is inaccurate and maybe harmful to a family.

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  Definitely. And I think it's also worth noting that like, if someone wanted to do that, there are actual like portrait companies, there are actual like services that offer these mockups and videos and things that can put your loved one back on different scenes with you. So just remembering that like, if someone hasn't shared that or has not done that on their own, it's likely safe to assume that they don't want that to be something that they just are scrolling and casually come across to.

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  Right, from a stranger, right? Like if a loved one has not offered this to them as a gift or like a tribute, like, why would a stranger on the internet be the person that they find that meaningful from? Like, it's just not likely to happen. So again, please stop and think before you do these things.

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  Exactly. And I guess also from the other side of the coin, like, what can happen as we're processing grief or trauma or uncertainty? Maybe we're looking for some type of closure. That person is not there to give us that anymore, but AI can almost manufacture it for us. Like what can happen psychologically in that process?

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  Yeah. And you know, that's a part of why I have also been concerned, and I can't think of what the service was, but there are like all these services popping up, kind of like keeping people's memories alive. And of course, I understand like wanting to save voicemails from, you know, people have passed away and those kinds of things. Like, those kinds of things I think are actually meaningful and can actually be a part of what helps you in the grieving process. But I think when we are manipulating reality and you know, like creating these images and things, we are disrupting the process of grief, right? And I think when you are just like traumatized and devastated by the loss of a loved one, you're looking for answers. Like you said, we're looking for certainty.

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  We're looking for something to help us make sense of this devastating thing that has happened. But the truth is that grief is something that we're all going to have to experience and no amount of artificial manipulation is going to make that hurt any less. And again, I think the companies and things are maybe well intentioned, but also wanting to profit off of something that is devastating for our family. And when you're just looking for answers, sometimes you make decisions because you're vulnerable. And so I think we have to consider that nothing is really going to make that process easier for us. It is just sadly a part of life, like it is something that we have to process. And none of these companies and things that are saying like, oh, you

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  can keep their memory alive and keep talking to them. And like, that is not actually what happens in death. And so I think we are maybe navigating some very tumultuous waters and delaying our healing and maybe making it difficult for us to actually have some closure around death when we are playing with all these tools that I think maybe momentarily help you to feel better, but actually long-term are not going to be helpful as you process a loss.

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  Yeah, that's a really good point. Thank you. I appreciate that. So for our next topic, let's talk about Kirk Franklin and Glorilla. So over the weekend, Kirk Franklin and Glorilla released another collaboration. It's a gospel song called This Time. The song centers around holding on to faith in getting through hard moments. And it ends with a verse from Glorilla. This is actually their second project together. The first was a song called Rain Down On Me from Glow's debut album, Glorious. Now Kirk Franklin and Glorilla's collaborations often spark conversation, mostly among the Christian community, about whether gospel

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  artists should be working with secular artists whose music or public image may not align with traditional Christian values. So I guess from your perspective, like, why can religious communities sometimes make people feel that engaging with people outside of the faith and the way that they, in the way that they interpret it, not to say that Glorilla is outside of the faith per se, but engaging people outside of the faith means like compromising their own beliefs.

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  Yeah, I think that this really speaks to having a very narrow and rigid idea about like what Christianity and what faith is supposed to be, right? Like, it feels like there is just so much more room for us to be expansive about how faith and religion can look different for all of us, right? And I thought that a huge part of Christianity was bringing new believers into the fold, right? And so if something that may not be quite your cup of tea, but it is for somebody else, brings people closer to the message and to, you know, the word of God, then why is that not okay, right? Like, I think it is okay to say, this is not something for me and this is not what I would play in my house. But if it is something that I

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  love or that you love, and it is consistent with your idea of spirituality and religion, like, I think we just have to let people have that. But I think people get so rigid about like Christianity and religion and it has to only look one way, that we don't make room for all of the different ways that people can kind of proclaim and like show their own relationship with whoever their faith allows them to believe in. And we just have to be okay with like, it may be looking different for other people.

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  Absolutely. And especially when you think about someone like Kirk Franklin, who already kind of shook up the church music, like the gospel scene anyway. Exactly. And I mean, to your point, it's like, if the point of Christianity is to, you know, bring more people into Christianity, it's like, you think of it like a Venn diagram, like Glorilla's over here and Kirk Franklin's over there, that overlap might not be expansive, but the Glorilla fans might hear this like inspirational gospel song and be like, oh, let me go see what that's about. So I think it does open doors in the way that, you know, it is intended. But like, how can we make room for complexity when our faith, our career,

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  relationships, personal values, they might not always fit neatly together in the way that Kirk Franklin gospel, but you know, we're introducing Glorilla into the fold. That's not neat Christianity as it might be described, but how can we start to allow for that expansion of our mindsets and our values there?

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  I would ask when it ever fits perfectly or neatly, right? Like, I think both of us can be honest and say, like, even our own ideas about Christianity don't always match up with our lived experiences, right? Like, we all make decisions, we all sin, we all make mistakes, right? Like, none of us are perfect because we're human and that is what it means to be human, is that there will be mistakes and mess ups and twists and turns and, you know, all kinds of things that are not perfect. And so I think if we are honest with ourselves, then we can be honest with other people and show more grace and understand that, again, it may not look like what I would put out or the music that I want to listen to, but it could be perfectly fine with other people. And really, it is about like meeting people

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  where they are. You know, like, this song may be something that finds somebody just when they need it and opens them up to believing all kinds of different things or a different kind of walk with faith. You just never know. And so I think we have to be open to messaging and messages looking very different and in meeting people where they are and exactly maybe what they need to hear in the moment.

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  Absolutely. Thank you.

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  And then our last topic, we're going to talk about A Different World. I watched this recently. I'm absolutely loving it. But for a little context, for those who may not have seen it already, this weekend, A Different World reboot aired on Netflix. This show follows Whitley and Dwayne's daughter, DeBora, as she navigates Hillman for herself. It's been getting a ton of praise all over social media and even reached number one in the US for its debut weekend. So first, want to get your general thoughts. Did you watch it and how are you feeling about it?

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  I loved it. I loved it. We were very fortunate to receive screeners of the episodes, you know, ahead of debuting. And I have loved it. I am now on my third watch of the series because it fits into the insecure bucket for me, right? Like one of those shows that you put on, especially after you watched it the first time, just because like it is joyful and like fun and beautiful black people and fashions and fun dialogue. Like I have really, really loved it. Something that has been interesting about it for me is watching it with my kids. So I have an almost 13 year old who I guess saw clips and was like, oh, I want to watch this. And I was like, you know what? This would be good to watch together.

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  So I started a rewatch with him. And then my 10 year old has recently started playing the trumpet and is like all in love with bands. And so he has been really drawn into like the band culture and like the pop games. So I, I love that it is doing what I think it was intended to do, right? Like for my generation, watching the original A Different World introduced us maybe to like conversations around HBCUs and college life and like really excited many of us about wanting to go to HBCUs and you know, what college life was all about. And I feel like this reboot was designed to give a new generation those conversations and to really look at what does HBCU life look like now in 2026. And so it is already

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  doing that. And I already knew that it was going to be done well, once I knew that Felicia Pride was in charge of it because she does not do anything without care and consideration and measurable love for community and culture. And so it was everything that I expected it to be in a Felicia Pride production. And I have just really enjoyed it and have been very pleased to see the online reaction that people are also really, really loving it.

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  No, same. I remember when I watched it for the first time, because I also am on my second rewatch now. But when I watched it for the first time, I remember thinking like, oh, man, people are going to love this. And it's been so good to see like all the positive reactions. And of course, there are a couple that are like, well, that doesn't make sense. And just very protective over A Different World. Because I mean, A Different World, the original, was like one of my favorite shows ever. And so I was even like, okay, like, let's see what this is going to be.

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  Right, what are we doing?

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  Right. Right. But I'm so, so glad that it is doing well. You touched on it a little bit, but what do you hope as a whole, this new generation that's being introduced to A Different World continues to get from this show? I mean, we've talked about it in other conversations of how there almost doesn't really seem to be media that like helps with this transition from like media for kids to like media for adults. And so I think that was really cool for me to see as far as like, this is like the perfect coming of age, like kids going to college type of content too. But is there anything from your perspective you're hoping that kids continue to get from this too? Or the new generation?

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  Yeah, I agree. I agree with you that it does feel like it, it meets the needs of that YA audience that was really, really missing. And of course, this cannot be everything for everybody, right? Like this is just one contribution and I hope opens doors to more shows being able to be made for the young adult population. But I think it introduces some themes that are very relevant and resonant with young people, right? Like traditionally college age people around relationships and dating and career, mental health, learning disabilities. Like there are so much there that I think I've been excited to hear young people say like, oh, this feels very real. And then hearing Felicia talk about like

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  the pre-production that HBCU students were actively involved in both onset and preset kinds of activities. So it is relevant because the students were involved. And so I'm really just excited for the conversations and the resources and the things that it will be able to open up for people to have, to have some of these, maybe struggle with some of these difficult conversations that maybe you didn't have a way to identify before. Now you can see a play out in screen and it opens up a larger conversation. So I'm most excited about that.

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  Definitely. And one other thing that I was just thinking, I loved that outside of the original cast that came back, most of the new cast were like breakouts and people that we had never really seen before, met before. So I'm very excited to see where their careers continue to go. Like I know DeBora, the main character, was on Broadway for Alicia Keys' Hell's Kitchen, but just to like continue to see where their careers will go. I'm very excited that this was their kind of like debut project too. So.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Agreed. I think we will see lots more incredible projects from all of them.

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  Definitely. Well, that wraps up our topics for the week. Thank you, Dr. Joy. This was great.

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  Thank you, Rhea. Another great list as well. So if there are things that you would like us to weigh in on, please send those to us at therapyforblackgirls.com/mailbox. But until next time, take good care of yourself.

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