I Have Some Thoughts Minisode | Angel Reese, Brandy, & Latto

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  Hey y'all, welcome back to the next episode of I Have Some Thoughts, our weekly podcast mini-soaps series where we talk about all things pop culture, but of course, from a mental health lens. And I am joined today again by Bria. Hey, Bria.

• 1:37Speaker 03

  Hi, everyone. We have a lot of cool topics to get into today. But first, let's talk about Angel Reese and the WNBA. I feel like we can never get through a season without something happening, but the Toronto Temple's head coach, Sandy, has been suspended for one game without pay after making an appropriate comment about the Atlanta Dream's Angel Reese. This past Friday, the Atlanta Dream and Toronto Temple were playing in a game during the first quarter. Nyar, one of the players, got called for a personal foul against Angel Reese. Nyar falls to the ground in pain, and the coach, Sandy, was very upset about it. And during her comments, I don't know if she forgot she was mic'd up,

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  but she called Angel Reese a protected species. Now, obviously, there are a lot of racial undertones throughout that commentary. In response, the WNBA suspended Sandy for one game. Sandy did release an apology. Angel Reese has since made a statement as well, thanking the WNBA for taking action, too. As we all know, this is not the first and definitely will not be the last instance of racism that we see within the WNBA. This is honestly just a very quick glimpse into it, but I think it opens a broader conversation of why black women athletes, especially in these like women leagues, that they're already

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  kind of, you would almost think that they are having to go through the struggle of being like a women-only sports team and they already are kind of being compared against the men and aren't getting the same resources as the male teams. But black women specifically have to navigate this layer of excellence and bias at the same time. So like, why are black women's emotions, their confidence, their competitiveness, why is it interpreted so differently from their peers in women in the league, but also in men in the league as well?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  I agree with you, Bria, because you would think like a league that is built by, well, and I won't say necessarily built by women, right? Because we know that the NBA also has a large part in like all the things that happen in the WNBA because it kind of came out of there. But a league that is governed by women, that is run by women, that is, you know, built on the backs of black women specifically, like you would think that there would be more ground that has been made in terms of like eliminating bias and really like centering the needs of the players, all of the players. And sadly, that has not been the case. And I just think it is so unfortunate. Many people have heard me talk about on the podcast before. I am a newly converted WNBA fan.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  I'm, I just love all things women's basketball. And a lot of that actually is dedicated or is, is in large part due to Angel Reese. So I really started following women's basketball when she and the LSU team won the national championships several years ago. And so Angel is definitely somebody who I have loved following her journey and is one of my favorite players. And I definitely have paid attention to what it feels like just outsized.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Ignorance and violence and like just racist kinds of behaviors and thoughts aimed her way. And it really is disgusting. And I think black women, no matter where we go, whatever space we show up in, it always feels, and I think that this is accurate, that there is this intense dedication to paying attention to what we're doing and like policing our tone and our behavior. And we see so many instances of it in the WNBA where other players are able to get away with shouting at refs, talking to their coaches any kind of way, like not exhibiting sportsmanlike behavior. And it's not seen as the same way. It is just seen as competitiveness, right?

• 5:30Speaker 01

  And like, oh, they're fiery. But when it's Angel Reese and other black women players, there is this undertone of, oh, this is kind of how we expect black women to be. And so I think unfortunately, this is just another example of black women not being able to kind of take up space and be competitive and want to kind of compete at such a high level in the same ways as other people. And that not just being seen as what it is, right? Like just a part of the game. There are all these other implications and insinuations that are made that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual game.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Yeah. And I, I mentioned earlier that Sandy did get suspended for one game. A lot of people are speaking out, saying that that honestly wasn't enough. There's this balance of, did you mean what you said, but also what you said did have implications that were like very racist? So like, was that really a proper response to that? But what do you think from your perspective that it will take for organizations, sports teams, to move beyond support in a way that might be interpreted as performative? Because if the WNBA said nothing, then it would have been bad, but. It's tricky to balance too.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  I am pleased, you know, I'm actually surprised that they did act so quickly, but I agree with you that if they didn't, like, it definitely would have been probably far worse.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  Now, I am understanding that Sandy is Australian, and so it sounds like there is a, this term protected species maybe means something differently, maybe culturally for her. But of course, we are in the US, right? And especially when we're looking at the WNBA and the fire that has been lit around, like, race relations, particularly related to, like, Caitlin Clark and all of the other black players. Like, it just feels like things are boiling over at, like, a speedy rate right now. And so I think timing and place is everything, right? And so for her to say something like that, even if culturally it maybe has a different connotation for her, in this context, of course, it is very racist, right? And Angel was offended. And so I was very pleased that Sandy responded so quickly. Angel accepted the apology.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  You know, it definitely feels like she did the right thing and offered an apology that was actually meaningful, and then the league did take action. But again, I don't know whether that was right or wrong, but I'm pleased that they did something and that it was so swift. I think in order for us to see more meaningful change, there needs to be more black women in leadership roles. So another conversation that has been kind of percolating through the WNBA streets this season is the lack of black women coaches. So there are no black women head coaches in the WNBA again, and that is really difficult to see in a league that is on the backs of black women, right? Like, black women built this. This is ours, right? And so to see that there are no black women in leadership positions at the head coaching

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  role, I think is something that adds to the nuance and what we're seeing in this situation. Now, Nneka Oguloke is the WNBA president, so she's like the president of the players' union, I guess, is what the WNBA is. And so I think that that goes a long way, and I think she is a very well-spoken, like, good advocate for the players, and she's still an active player. So her presence goes a long way, but she really is the only one, right? And so I think that when we look at the leadership of the WNBA, there needs to be more black women who strongly identify. Why is black women, right? Because we know all skinfolk can't kill folk, right? But for people who actually understand like a black woman's ethic and what it means, especially like if we just use Angel Reese as an example, right?

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  Like what it might mean for a young player to come in with this level of scrutiny and criticism and how that impacts their development. Like somebody who really understands a black woman's plight, I think is really important. And that I think is sorely missing in the WNBA right now. And it's something that would actually go a long way, I think, in navigating these situations better.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  That's so true. I think even like beyond sports, we see it often where there's one black person in corporate America in the room that's like, hey, this won't be received a certain way. But it's on them to like call those things out and then to go against so many other people who might think differently. It's definitely something that I feel like we see kind of across the board, too.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, you raise a good point there, Rhea, because it's not enough to just have them there. People also have to listen, right? Like, we don't just need black women in figurehead spaces. We need black women in leadership in the WNBA who people will actually listen to and whose voices will be heard.

• 9:54Speaker 03

  For sure. Agree. Well, for our next topic, Brandy, R and B singer, has been facing some body shaming comments. So Brandy was at the center of an online conversation after a video circulated of her looking noticeably slimmer, especially like within her facial area. People began immediately commenting on her appearance, some of them in very negative ways. A lot of people were like, oh, maybe there's something wrong with her medically or she's been diagnosed with something, just kind of drawing conclusions that weren't really for people to draw. It didn't take long for people actually to reflect on a very similar situation that took back in 2020 when people made very similar comments about Chadwick Boseman.

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  He had lost a lot of weight, especially in his face as well. And then shortly after, he revealed his colon cancer diagnosis, which we ultimately know is how he passed away. Brandy has since responded, reminding everyone to remember that the person that they're commenting on is still a person and to always lead with kindness. But I think there's a broader question here of when commenting on people's bodies just became so normalized. And I feel like, you know, when you're growing up, you maybe go to like your mom's house or your grandma's house. And they'd be like, oh, you're gaining weight, X, Y, Z. And I feel like it was, it's kind of normal and like. Black households in a way, but I feel like the internet is just so amplified.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  So from your perspective, why do people feel so comfortable commenting on other people's bodies, even when they don't really know the person or what it is that they could be going through?

• 11:29Speaker 01

  You bring up a great point, Bria, and I, you know, fairly don't know that this is only a black household situation because I definitely have heard white women also talk about like the intense scrutiny they've had from family members in terms of weight. But it does feel like a familial kind of thing that has developed that it is okay to kind of criticize one another, right? Like, so you away at college and then you come back and all the family is like, oh, that freshman day really got you, right? Like, all of those, you know, and I think many of us laughed it off and like, kind of saw that as a normal part of kind of family interactions, but I think as we have grown in our understanding of like, what it means to relate to one another and what kinds of things invoke shame in people. I think we've realized now that it is not okay, even with family members, like,

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  to make comments about that because you never know what people's relationship to their weight is and like those kinds of comments. And it's just not okay. Like, why is it okay to talk about people's bodies in that way, right? So if we know that we need to take a step back, even with our family members and people we know and have relationships with, it is far more not okay for us to be doing it publicly online. And so, you know, your question around like, when did this become normal? I think for a lot of us, it is something that is kind of been normalized in our families because people have commented about our weight and appearance and maybe we have also done that. And I think now that we have the internet and it feels like we are also connected, though of course, not really, right? Like, we just had a conversation a couple of weeks ago about parasocial relationships.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  And so I think there is this, this fallacy that we are more connected and like, we know people online when we really don't.

• 13:02Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  And so, you know, I think it is normal to notice differences in people, right? Like, if we saw somebody a year ago and now they look drastically different, I think it is just human nature to register that difference, like, oh, something looks different. But I think instead of, you know, jumping on X or Threads or Instagram and like, sharing these diatribes around whatever it is. Would that not be better, sir, for like, oh, I'm wishing them well? Either privately or just in a small group chat. Right? Like with people who you know and like this is not information that will be shared publicly, right? Because again, I don't think there's anything wrong with noticing a difference. I think the difficulty and the problematic behavior comes when we feel empowered and entitled, honestly,

• 13:45Speaker 01

  to go online and like make these conclusions and create these entire stories that have likely nothing to do with the reality of what's going on with the person. Especially when people have come out and said, I don't like this. Right? Like so many celebrities and public figures have said, like, I feel uncomfortable with this. Like, this doesn't feel good to me. And so we cannot feel entitled and feel like just because we all can create a threads account that it gives us permission to comment on people's bodies and things in ways that people have said, this does not feel good to me. I'm not comfortable with this.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  Totally agree. And I think that like a lot of people forget, and I've heard this conversation a lot around for people who want to be like content creators and all of that, like if you might seem like only a thousand people watched your content. Oh, my gosh, that's less than like what I want, per se. Like if a thousand people were to like come up to you in person and like to comment on something, it would feel so different. So like to think from a celebrity's perspective, that they're getting this from like so many different angles, thousands and thousands of people commenting on their physical appearance. It can't be easy to navigate at all. So just like keeping that in mind too. But even in our personal lives, like with our family, our friends,

• 15:02Speaker 03

  how can we be more thoughtful about the language that we're using when we do notice those changes in like weight, physical appearance? I'm someone who's like, don't ever comment on weight. I should really just never know. It just doesn't feel appropriate to me personally. Other people might not feel that way. So how can we just be more thoughtful about the language that we're using and when we do notice these differences?

• 15:24Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. Yeah, I think leading with care and consideration is a better way to approach these situations, right? So not necessarily calling attention to like, hey, it looks like you, you know, like a hundred pounds smaller than when I saw you last year.

• 15:37Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  But you know, like, hey, is everything okay? I haven't seen you in a while. Like, what's going on? Catch me up kind of thing, right? And so really like leaning into the relationship that you have with the person, because hopefully, the whatever conversation that you're trying to spark with, whatever comment you're making, is coming from a place of like, well wishes and like, is there anything I need to do to support you in a different way, right? As opposed to like judgment and nosiness?

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  Right.

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  Right? Like, you know, because if it's that, then you probably are better off just keeping the comment to yourself or, you know, getting in chat without that person. But if it is like, oh, is this something I should be concerned about? Or, you know, I think leading with, hey, you know, is everything okay? Is there anything I can do to support you?

• 16:19Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Will open up a space for if that person feels comfortable. Now, again, they may not feel comfortable or ready or whatever to share anything with you. But I think you going on record, kind of coming from a place of care and concern, goes a much further way and maybe registers differently with the person than, hey, it looks like you are a hundred pounds smaller.

• 16:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  That probably does not register as care.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  Totally agree. Absolutely.

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  So for our last topic, we're actually gonna go back to Lotto. I feel like we've brought her up a couple of times on I Have Some Thoughts, but she's in the news again because she was recently captured pushing her newborn in a stroller toward a private jet. Now, the video quickly made its way to social media, and people began questioning whether this was a safe way to be traveling with the baby, whether it was safe for the baby, all germs, all that kind of stuff. Someone commented, actually, on the video, sharing that no matter how much money they made in their life, they wouldn't put their baby at risk like this. And Lotto actually responded back to them, saying, "Good thing it's not your baby." So I think it's kind of like a double-edged sword of like, some people online were genuinely

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  concerned for the child, but also have to navigate the fact that that is not your child. So like, how and why does motherhood seem to invite so much public scrutiny, especially from celebrities who are in the public eye, too?

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  Yeah, we have definitely talked about a lot of, a couple of times, which I think is interesting. But I think, given the nature of our podcast and like, she's a new mom, I think there's just been a lot happening. You know, but it does feel like motherhood is one of those things that like, people just feel like they have commentary and opinions about. Either you are a mother, you've had a mother, right? Like, I think the rearing of children is something that people just feel like, oh, we all have opinions about. And, you know, because it doesn't come with a manual, right? Like, there is no, no guidebook around like, how to raise healthy, happy kids. People, I think, in some ways, would think that they are being helpful. Yep. Right now, not everybody, right? Like, we know everybody is not, does not have, well, good intentions.

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  But I think for the most part, a lot of people are like, offering commentary in the hopes that like, it will protect your child, or like, they are offering you something to kind of help you in your journey as a mother. But I think, for a lot of women, the idea of motherhood, or the state of motherhood, already comes with so much criticism, so much self-criticism, that this unsolicited advice and commentary often just makes moms feel much worse. Yeah. And shamed, right? That, oh my gosh, I did something to put my baby at jeopardy, I didn't know this. I think that there's so much pressure that is on moms, that any unsolicited advice just becomes a loudspeaker on some thoughts that are probably already very critical. And so maybe some not helpful ways.

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  And so I think people think that it's like harmless to offer this commentary. You see this a lot, especially, I've noticed, lots of different places. But one of the places I've noticed it most is like, with seatbelt commentary, right? Like, if you show your baby in a car seat, like, oh, I'm about to run to the store, follow me on my way to the store. There guaranteed to be somebody in the comments that says, oh, the baby's buckle needs to be higher.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  You know, and again, I think that is well-intentioned, right? Because nobody wants to see, you know, something happen and a child is injured in a car accident. But again, you have to think about like, how many thoughts moms are already having about, am I doing this right? Am I getting it wrong? And how you are maybe adding gasoline to the fire when you're offering this unsolicited commentary. Now, Bria, I also want to back up, though. What, when you saw this commentary, what was the concern around the baby being on the private jet? Was it like, oh, it's germy? Like, what the concern there?

• 21:58Speaker 03

  It was more so about the ears popping. I think a lot of people were like, she's flying private, so there's not people around XYZ, but apparently something about the ear pressure. I have a lot of grace for moms because I'm not a mom, and I feel like I learn something new every day. So I'm like, that never would have even occurred to me, but something about the ear pressure.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Got it, got it. That makes sense. That makes sense. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense that that would be a concern. Lots of babies fly, and you know, I think the best kind of advice that I've heard, being a mom, is like, oh, you nurse them, or you give them a bottle a while. You know, you kind of reach that altitude, and that typically helps. So there are lots of different ways to kind of manage air pressure on flights, if that was people's kind of main concern. But I was confused as to like, why there was so much

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  a concern about that.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  As far as a germ perspective, flying private is probably your best bet, for sure.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  For new moms everywhere, how can parents decide whose advice is actually worth listening to, protecting their own mental health when it just feels like so many people have opinions on what's right, what's wrong, all the different things?

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  Yeah, I think listening to your physician and your baby's physician is probably where you should go in terms of leading advice for your particular journey as a mom, right? Because even if we are all moms, everybody has a different baby. We are different as moms, and so what worked for my kids may not work for your kids. And so even if I'm offering well-intentioned advice, it may not actually work for you because your situation and your children are very different. And so I think getting advice from trained professionals, whether that is your pediatrician, your OB-GYN, your therapist, you know, your lactation consultant, right? Like, people who actually have a relationship with you and you're, and know you and your baby, if that, you know, matters in the situation.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  I think that that is a better place to get advice than just kind of general strangers on the internet. Now, I do understand, though, because sometimes you find yourself in like, very weird Predicaments with kids, right? It's like, oh, this random thing happened. Like, has anybody else dealt with this? Like, what should I do? It is very easy to kind of just fire off, you know, a random question while you are facing some kind of situation. But that does then invite like all these opinions around what kinds of things might be happening. And I think also then kind of put some microscope on like your parenting, right? And like allows judgments to be made about who you are as a parent. And so I think sometimes getting advice on from people online is okay, but it is far better like to keep your circle closer.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  And the circle, the most inner circle should be your like medical professional support team. And then maybe like moms in your family or moms that you're connected to in some other ways. And then it goes out from there.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  I've seen a lot of conversation about like the mom Facebook groups where everyone's just kind of like arguing back and forth. I'm like, oh, this seems like a lot.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  It's so hectic. Yeah, I definitely made that mistake very early in my motherhood. Facebook groups and I was like, oh, this is chaos. Like, I gotta get out of here.

• 25:03Speaker 03

  It's like a million opinions on one question. That's funny.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  And not just opinions, it is judgment, right? Like, it would be one thing if it were like, oh, here's something that worked for me. You may want to try this. It instead often has the flavor of, oh, breastfeeding is best. And so if you don't do that, then you're like dooming your child to like thousands of years. Like, it is often not just here's something that could be helpful. It is often like, I know best. And like, if you don't do it the way I said or the way I did, then you're not a good mother, right? And I think that is often the flavor those comments have.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  Okay. Well, thank you so much. This was a great conversation, but that wraps up our topics for the week.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Perfect. Another great list. Thank you so much for that, Bre. And if there are topics happening in your pop culture circles that you would like us to weigh in on, please send those to us at therapyforblackgirls.com/mailbox. And until next time, take good care of yourself.

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