Session 127: Malcolm Todd

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• 0:11Speaker 00

  This episode, we have Malcolm Todd on. Hi Malcolm.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Hi Jake.

• 0:17Speaker 00

  Last time I saw you was at Coachella.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Love Coachella.

• 0:22Speaker 00

  Did you have fun?

• 0:23Speaker 01

  It was cool. Honestly, after Coachella, I didn't talk to anyone for three weeks.

• 0:27Speaker 00

  Why? What?

• 0:28Speaker 01

  Cause it was, I think, too many, too many handshakes. It like took the energy drained out of me from all the like, "Yo, have you met this guy?" And it's like, "Hey, what's up? I'm Malcolm." And it's like, "You're never gonna remember my name. I'm never gonna remember your name." It's kinda disheartening.

• 0:41Speaker 00

  I did that to you.

• 0:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I remember you.

• 0:44Speaker 00

  No, but I did that to you. I like introduced you to-

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, for sure. And of course, that's a part of the culture of it. But it's just like, I think, the music was great. Had a lot of like-

• 0:53Speaker 00

  Who'd you see?

• 0:54Speaker 01

  I saw, um, my favorite act was Turnstile.

• 0:57Speaker 00

  You know what? I'm sad I missed them.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I just kinda happened to stumble upon them. And I don't really listen to Turnstile. And it was like the best. It was like spiritual and beautiful and, and it was cool to discover live music, like music through a live performance.

• 1:14Speaker 00

  That's my favorite thing!

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, which I didn't know I loved that. And now I'm like, "Oh wait, I need to do this more." Yeah.

• 1:20Speaker 00

  Are you, that's the only time that's ever happened to you?

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. I saw LCD Sound System and I hadn't really listened to them. I heard a few songs, but I hadn't really listened to them in depth. And I saw them live and that was the other time. And that's it.

• 1:36Speaker 00

  Do you wanna tell me about those flip flops?

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, they're actually my friend's brand.

• 1:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, my friend Evan makes them, but I've just been like really flipping and flopping with my shoes.

• 1:48Speaker 00

  Do you like how when you-

• 1:51Speaker 00

  Do you like when you walk and it makes the like-

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Ooh, I guess I don't really realize it. Is it like SpongeBob when he walks and it's like?

• 2:00Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm down to have a sound effect with my walk, then people can know.

• 2:05Speaker 00

  You haven't noticed a sound effect with those flip flops? Those flip flops look like they spring back on your heel.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  They totally do. I actually just, I was rocking these other flip flops and then I put these on today. These are kinda like my like, I'm kinda showing out for you.

• 2:18Speaker 00

  Oh, you are?

• 2:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19Speaker 00

  Well, you know, I called Audrey about this.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  She told me.

• 2:22Speaker 00

  Oh, she did?

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Well, she's, yeah, she did.

• 2:24Speaker 00

  Well, of course.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Well, of course.

• 2:26Speaker 00

  Well, of course.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  It's like when you're telling me something, you're telling my sister's type.

• 2:29Speaker 00

  Are you guys best friends?

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:33Speaker 00

  Some aren't.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  No, it's true. Actually, it feels like most aren't for some reason. It feels like siblings don't get along as they should.

• 2:39Speaker 00

  But she told me you're great at basketball.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  That's what she told me she told you. She said like, she was like, I told him to ask you about basketball. I was like, I don't know why she said that too. I'm okay.

• 2:49Speaker 00

  She said you'd be, you loved basketball.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  I love basketball. I still love it and.

• 2:55Speaker 00

  Did you play in high school?

• 2:57Speaker 01

  My, my claim to fame with basketball in high school is that I didn't play on the team. I played baseball, quit to, um,

• 3:06Speaker 01

  like try theater, which is another story, but like anyways, didn't play on the basketball team, but in senior year, they were doing a three on three, like schoolwide basketball tournament and like the players on the team would play in it. And I took two of my friends that weren't on the team and we won the whole thing.

• 3:25Speaker 00

  And you guys had not played basketball?

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, we weren't like on the team, but we played basketball, but we weren't like on the team and making our whole personality and then we won.

• 3:32Speaker 00

  And were the people that were on the team so embarrassed?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I have this hole in my jeans and I'm just like, yeah, that's just the right amount of real estate.

• 3:40Speaker 00

  Well, I would assume you're wearing underwear.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  You'd assume.

• 3:43Speaker 00

  I would, I would hope so.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  I am.

• 3:46Speaker 00

  Do you know anyone that just like raw dogs pants?

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Asher Cartman.

• 3:50Speaker 00

  Who? Oh, from South Park?

• 3:52Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. Asher Cartman, my.

• 3:54Speaker 00

  Oh, that's Eric Cartman.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Eric Cartman, no, Asher Cartman's one of my best friends and he's in my band and I just totally blew his shit up, but yeah, he.

• 4:02Speaker 00

  I mean, he seems to probably blow his own shit up.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, he's nuts. He's like, he's amazing. You'd love him. Well. He's kind of love or hate him.

• 4:10Speaker 00

  Really?

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Vibes, yeah.

• 4:11Speaker 00

  Some people say that about me.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Okay, I think it's a, I think it's a very like, it's a high integrity, uh, quality.

• 4:19Speaker 00

  Oh my god, tell me more. It's also so hot in here now, it was so cold outside, now it's so hot.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  And it was, and it was cold outside in the waiting room or in the outside, like of the world outside.

• 4:30Speaker 00

  Both.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Okay, cuz it just started getting hot in the real world outside.

• 4:34Speaker 00

  I know.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Which was really random cuz it was gloomy as, as F.

• 4:37Speaker 00

  You're on the east side now?

• 4:39Speaker 01

  East side king.

• 4:39Speaker 00

  Do you love the east side?

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Someone's gotta hold it down over there.

• 4:42Speaker 00

  I feel like a lot of people are holding it down.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  I know, I know. Uh, I like the east side, but I grew up on the west side. Where'd you grow up?

• 4:49Speaker 00

  New York?

• 4:50Speaker 01

  Where in New York?

• 4:51Speaker 00

  Washington Heights?

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Is that from?

• 4:53Speaker 00

  In the Heights?

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. Is that the play you were in when you tried theater?

• 4:57Speaker 01

  No, Audrey was in it though. They did that when, when I was like in eighth grade and she was in, she was like a junior or something.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  What play did you do when you tried theater?

• 5:05Speaker 01

  I did, it was called Something Rotten.

• 5:07Speaker 00

  Do you remember any of it?

• 5:09Speaker 01

  I was in the troupe, I was in the ensemble and I, I danced around and.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  I love, it was like, I loved the musical. I actually saw the musical on Broadway too before they, and we were the first high school production of it ever.

• 5:21Speaker 00

  Wow!

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Thanks. Um, but it was cool.

• 5:26Speaker 00

  Do you remember any of the songs?

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, it was like, uh, what's that coming, uh, uh, uh, it's called like The Black Plague, it was the song I sang. I didn't even, it wasn't even a solo.

• 5:37Speaker 00

  I would imagine.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:38Speaker 00

  Cuz you were in the troupe.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Cuz I was in a frickin' troupe. Yeah, it wasn't a one man troupe sadly. I would have been down for it to be a one man troupe.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  Do you smoke weed?

• 5:46Speaker 01

  No, I, I haven't in like five years.

• 5:49Speaker 00

  Were you a big stoner in high school?

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I just like was smoking weed like sophomore year of high school like all the time and then I realized that's not my swag and I don't, I swear to god I'll never smoke weed ever again in my life. I freaked out.

• 6:03Speaker 00

  Wait, why?

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Cuz it just like doesn't mesh well with my brain at all and it made me very frickin' weird.

• 6:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just like, it, it clearly is like for people and not for people. And if it's not for you, like.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  It's not for you and it's not for me.

• 6:19Speaker 00

  It's definitely not for me, but I love it.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Okay, so you'll like, explain.

• 6:24Speaker 00

  Like, it's like for me, like you know how people are like, I love like a glass of wine at the end of the day?

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Hmm, sure.

• 6:29Speaker 00

  I love just like smoking a little bit at the end of the day. Just laying down.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  So, so it is for you.

• 6:35Speaker 00

  My mind work.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, there you go.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  Well, then after those ten minutes, because that only lasts ten minutes. That whole experience is only ten minutes. After those ten minutes, it's downhill, really bad. Really, really, really.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Like, just like freaking out about stuff.

• 6:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, then the next day I'm still freaking out, like today was just tears.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Tears.

• 6:52Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Interesting. Does it make you like, kinda cloudy?

• 6:55Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Always.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's, well, better be a good fucking ten minutes.

• 7:01Speaker 00

  It's the best ten minutes of all time. I do my best work in those ten minutes.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Good for you, yeah. I don't, I think, I think, uh, I don't think it's worth it. I wouldn't, it sounds like a nightmare.

• 7:11Speaker 00

  It is.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 7:12Speaker 00

  Like, that's how I would describe my life.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Okay, a nightmare. That's cute.

• 7:17Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Malcolm.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  You still in the nightmare?

• 7:20Speaker 00

  No, no. When's your birthday?

• 7:23Speaker 01

  I'm a Virgo, September fifteenth, two thousand and three.

• 7:26Speaker 00

  So are you like, super controlling?

• 7:28Speaker 01

  No, I think everyone wants control to a certain extent, but I don't think I would be over controlling, but, you know.

• 7:34Speaker 00

  You, you.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  I like being in charge. You know?

• 7:38Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Do you like being in control?

• 7:40Speaker 00

  Um, on a night out, no. I like somebody to make the plan. You tell me where we're going, we'll go.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Feel you, feel you.

• 7:51Speaker 00

  Like, set it up, I don't wanna pay.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. It's way easier, it's way easier to be told what to do, like, and you don't have to bear the consequences of having made the decision in case, you know?

• 8:04Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  It's like so easy to be like, oh, I don't care, I'm easy. And then like, if it's not fun, you'll be like, no, this is fun. Instead of like, if you made the decision and it's not fun, you're like, I'm so sorry, like, I fucked it all up.

• 8:14Speaker 00

  I wouldn't do the second part. I'd be like, well, you guys chose to follow me, so.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Okay. You should make more decisions for yourself. You sound like you have that setting.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  I hate pressure. Do you like pressure?

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Pressure makes diamonds, if you haven't heard.

• 8:27Speaker 00

  I haven't heard that.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  I like pressure.

• 8:30Speaker 00

  Ooh, pressure makes diamonds. I love that. How naughty. I love that.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  Do you like pressure a little more now?

• 8:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, I do. It makes it make it hmm hmm. So isn't one of your songs sampled in a Don Tolliver song?

• 8:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's called Chest Pain. It goes, "I love, I love..." Yeah.

• 8:49Speaker 00

  That's E85!

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, E85. And then now, I guess, yeah, I don't know when this comes out, probably not in the next three days, but I'm about to go.

• 9:00Speaker 00

  On tour?

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm about to go on tour. And then before I go on tour, I'm gonna go and play that song with him in New York.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  Shut it.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, in like a few days.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  Are you so excited?

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm just gonna go up and play the guitar on Shred and like, I love it. I don't have to talk. I just get to hold the guitar and look handsome. It's like the dream of all dreams. And be next to Don Tolliver. What?

• 9:20Speaker 00

  What, where are you doing this?

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Madison Square Garden.

• 9:22Speaker 00

  Wow. Is he gonna be like, "And Malcolm Todd?"

• 9:26Speaker 01

  I don't know. I'm down to just like totally slide in there and like not even make a peep. Like, and if, and if you know who I am, then it's really exciting for you. And if you don't, I'm just in the band. I kinda like that vibe more. But you can say my name. Say my name, say my name.

• 9:44Speaker 00

  So how'd you find out that, well, I guess they would have asked if they could sample it?

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, they sent it to me like a long time ago. And I was like, this is really good. And then, and I didn't hear anything about it for so long. And then they were like, it's track one on the album. And I was like, that's, well, that's really cool. And now it's like this huge song, and I'm very honored to be a part of it. And Don, Don Tolliver's so good.

• 10:08Speaker 00

  So good. The new album is amazing.

• 10:09Speaker 01

  It's, um, yeah, yeah. I love it.

• 10:10Speaker 00

  Are you excited for your new album?

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Super excited. I love making music, love singing it, love playing it for people. Frickin' living the dream.

• 10:18Speaker 00

  You and Audrey are the same person?

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:21Speaker 00

  Do you get that a lot?

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, we're, we're pretty, we're pretty similar. She, she was on this podcast.

• 10:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  How much screen time have you, or off-screen time have you gotten with Audrey?

• 10:32Speaker 00

  Not enough.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Not enough.

• 10:34Speaker 00

  We were just talking about it. Not enough.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, you guys would probably have a blast.

• 10:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, we were on FaceTime for a while the other day. I didn't want to get off.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Maybe she could plan one of your nights out.

• 10:43Speaker 00

  Does she, is she, does she enjoy planning nights out?

• 10:46Speaker 01

  I don't think it's like one of her like, I don't think it revs her engine, but I think she could do a good job.

• 10:52Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 10:53Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Well, Malcolm, what are you therapist about today?

• 10:56Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm therapist about my friggin Instagram getting deactivated.

• 10:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, how did that happen?

• 11:02Speaker 01

  I don't know, dude. I don't know what I did. It's like, hopefully, hopefully, when I step out of this room, I have my Instagram back, but it's been too long.

• 11:11Speaker 00

  Is it eating you alive a little bit?

• 11:12Speaker 01

  No, cuz I trust, I trust. I just trust. It's okay. And I still have my legs and my arms and my heart, so it's okay, but...

• 11:21Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  But, what the fuck?

• 11:25Speaker 00

  No, it's like, I can tell that you're thinking about it.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Well, I'm just there pissed about it.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, I get that.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Cuz I don't, I don't, A, I don't know what I did.

• 11:34Speaker 00

  Did this just happen like five seconds?

• 11:36Speaker 01

  This happened, this happened last night. I, I had splendid night. I shot a video yesterday, cooked some food for like some of the people that worked on the set. And then we like had some drinks and then I'm laying down. I was like, what a great night. Tried to open Instagram and they're like, mm-mm. No. And so, and then I like immediately text like three people in the middle of the night and I'm like code red. This is like the hub of all media for me. Like, can I get this back? And it's still haven't gotten it back since like whatever midnight last night. Um, and I, and I just wanna know why. And when I get it back. I'm just curious.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  Do you use TikTok at all? It's not the same.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  It's not the same. It's like I have TikTok is for like, yeah, Tik, like Instagram is an art piece.

• 12:20Speaker 00

  I kind of agree.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  Are you a dumper?

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Mm-mm. No, I'm like, I'm like one, two pics.

• 12:27Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, dumper. Like, I, I, I'm a dump, I'm a, I'm a fan of dumps. You can quote me on that. But, but my intentionality isn't in all the dump. What about you? You're a dumper?

• 12:39Speaker 00

  I'm a dumper.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:40Speaker 00

  As of late.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Feels good.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  It just makes me feel cool.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  You probably just have too many good photos where you're like, I can't just like...

• 12:46Speaker 00

  Well, no, you have to go out of your way to take them.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  You have to be like, ooh, that's for a...

• 12:49Speaker 01

  You don't have like, people just fall, like just nailing photos of you all the time. You need to get one of those people.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  You think I'm like a streamer?

• 12:57Speaker 01

  No, no, no. God forbid. Um, I think, I think just like one of the home, like I have my cousin and like... I can just be like, I won't feel, because I feel really bad asking people to take pictures of me. I feel like really uncomfortable. But I found my person where I can be like, take a picture of me, I want to look cute.

• 13:15Speaker 00

  And it's your cousin?

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. And he's my best friend and also my assistant.

• 13:19Speaker 00

  Is that him?

• 13:21Speaker 01

  In there, yeah, Jackson.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  Jackson, you're his cousin? Yeah. Oh, that's sweet.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  He's also, we share the same middle name.

• 13:29Speaker 00

  What's your middle name?

• 13:29Speaker 01

  Todd.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  Oh my god, my middle name's Shane.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Anyways.

• 13:36Speaker 00

  Okay, so you're not a dumper.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Not a dumper.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  Your Instagram's deactivated.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Don't remind me.

• 13:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Yours is activated, though.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Oh, I mean, I wouldn't be here if it was deactivated.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  I know, I feel like I'm playing it pretty cool. Julian?

• 13:50Speaker 00

  I know you care a lot more about it than you're leading on.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  No, I care a bunch about it. I just like, what is like me like freaking out gonna do?

• 13:57Speaker 00

  Oh, please. I can't hear that right now.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 14:01Speaker 00

  Because Louise is nodding her head and I just don't even want to look at her right now.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  Speak on that, expand.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  I'm just looking like, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And if it's not meant to be, then me and God are gonna have a talk later.

• 14:13Speaker 00

  Are you religious?

• 14:15Speaker 01

  No, not really. I mean, I believe in a higher power or whatever, yeah.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  Well, I take it all to Hashem.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  Cool, who's he?

• 14:22Speaker 00

  He's Jewish God.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 14:24Speaker 00

  And like, there's this sinus rinse in New York called Hashem's Rinse. And so me and my friends will be like, oh my god, take a rinse.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  And how do you sinus rinse? If you don't mind me asking. Oh, you just?

• 14:37Speaker 00

  So like, right now, like Peyton and I are like?

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Oh, it's so, it's not, I was treating this as like a bathhouse scenario.

• 14:43Speaker 00

  No, we're not actually rinsing. We're just like, oh my god, take a rinse.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 14:47Speaker 00

  It's like, take a lap.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Okay, take a rinse.

• 14:49Speaker 00

  Take a rinse, take a Hashem's, Hashem's rinse.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  I love this. Who's this friend?

• 14:52Speaker 00

  Um, it's all my friends.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Oh, it's all your friends?

• 14:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  You have a lot of those?

• 14:55Speaker 00

  I have a lot of friends, yeah.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Do you feel like you have too many sometimes?

• 14:59Speaker 00

  You know I used to, actually. When I was... When I was like twenty, when I was Jackson's age.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:06Speaker 00

  I, I felt that I had, I had a lot of, I, I was spreading myself a little thin, yeah.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  It's, it's, yeah, I think that was like the Coachella effect. You know, like, it's just like the too many people, it's like, we, we can't, this can't be harnessed, you know?

• 15:19Speaker 00

  Well, Coachella's like not, like.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:22Speaker 00

  Actually, I would say for the first, have you been to Coachella before?

• 15:24Speaker 01

  That was my first time.

• 15:25Speaker 00

  The first time always kinda sucks.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  It was also my first time at a music festival that I didn't play, like, and I was just in the mix, like, kicking it.

• 15:32Speaker 00

  Did you party after?

• 15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I partied.

• 15:35Speaker 00

  Well, I would like to get your opinion on streamers, cuz you had a almost visceral reaction to them when I brought them up.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:42Speaker 00

  I don't watch or partake, but I am interested in the culture.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, it freaks me, I don't know, I don't know, like, do I get cancelled for saying I don't get streamers?

• 15:51Speaker 00

  No, I don't get it, and what bugs me out about it is that if you meet them I R L, they, they're always streaming.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  It's, it's like a Black Mirror episode.

• 16:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's really scary.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:02Speaker 00

  Do you know how much money they make, though?

• 16:04Speaker 01

  A lot of money.

• 16:05Speaker 00

  A lot.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  They are like TV for a certain gen- this generation of kids, like, that's TV, you know, like, when's, I don't know. I don't wanna get too into the weeds about it, but it is that that's like, that's like late night television to, I literally don't quote me on that. Cuz, uh, I love late night.

• 16:25Speaker 00

  Do you?

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like funny, and they, they tell jokes, and there's musicians, and I like, I, I love, like Jimmy Fallon and, um, Jimmy Kimmel and.

• 16:34Speaker 00

  All the Jimmy's.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Jimmy's, Jimmy Johnson.

• 16:37Speaker 00

  What's your favorite sandwich?

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Cuz I said Jimmy John's?

• 16:43Speaker 01

  I've been off sandwiches right now, but I just, I really have been, cuz I'm just like not eating bread like that.

• 16:50Speaker 00

  Oh, are you on a diet?

• 16:51Speaker 01

  I'm on a diet.

• 16:52Speaker 00

  What's your diet?

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Dude, Air One.

• 16:55Speaker 00

  You ride for Air One?

• 16:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, just let me go through it.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Uh, I gotta just, it's my first time living, so I'm just trying to eat as much Arowan as I can. But it's just, it's just, I feel like it's just healthy and tastes good and it's simple.

• 17:14Speaker 00

  How excited are you for the Don Tolliver thing? Do you guys text, you and Don?

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've, we've DM'd a bit. I haven't met him, so I'm excited to go link him and yeah, just like being on stage and just like playing the guitar and being like, uh, just a part of the band and not really like kind of being a little piece of the puzzle sounds lit and that Madison Square Garden's cool.

• 17:32Speaker 00

  Right. It is very cool.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. The Knicks play basketball there. Back to basketball.

• 17:38Speaker 00

  Oh yeah. See, are you a Nick though? Or you, you would be a Lakers fan?

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just love the NBA. I don't even, I just, I'm, I'm just here for it all.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  Who's your favorite player?

• 17:46Speaker 01

  I love Anthony Edwards.

• 17:48Speaker 00

  What team is he on?

• 17:49Speaker 01

  The Timberwolves.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  And that's Chicago?

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, that's Minnesota. You were close.

• 17:54Speaker 00

  Really close, actually.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Geographically.

• 17:57Speaker 00

  You like geography?

• 17:58Speaker 01

  I'm bad at geography.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  I'm really bad at, you, I bet you I'm worse.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  I wonder who's worse.

• 18:02Speaker 00

  I bet you I'm worse. How can we, how can we test it? Actually, what's your worst? What is your most embarrassing geography thing? Cause I'll tell you mine.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  You have to go first, cause you obviously have it.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  I thought Florida was at the top of the map.

• 18:13Speaker 00

  Until I was.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  It's the bottom.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Maybe you're just looking at it upside down your whole life.

• 18:18Speaker 00

  No, I just thought it went New York, Florida, LA. And that was it. One time I got food poisoning in Florida from eating an artichoke at Houston's.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Mmm, you call it Houston's. Cause people call it Hillstone.

• 18:31Speaker 00

  I'm so sorry.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Are we not?

• 18:35Speaker 00

  Are you being serious?

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Houston's and Hillstone, it's like the same thing.

• 18:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's like, I went to a Houston's.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, but people call it Hillstone.

• 18:43Speaker 00

  Had I gone to a Hillstone, I would have called it a Hillstone.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  But that's the same thing.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  They're the, they're the same owners.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Oh, but they're not the same exact thing. I thought it was just like.

• 18:51Speaker 00

  No, you want to know why it's a little different. Everything's a little different. It's because if you're, you hit a requirement for being a chain, you have to show calories and their things are so calorie heavy that they don't want to show you.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  That's why I feel like shit every time I eat at Hillstone.

• 19:06Speaker 00

  I had it, I had SBG for lunch today.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, which is the same fucking thing as well.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  Which is next to Honor Bar.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  And then there's R and D Kitchen. And then there's Hillstone and then there's Houston's.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  This is a Black Mirror episode.

• 19:16Speaker 00

  It's Honor Bar, R and D Kitchen, Hillstone, Houston's, South Beverly Grill.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  And they all have the spinach dip.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Sorry, trigger word.

• 19:26Speaker 00

  It's just like I, that's what I had and I had a whole artichoke. Oh my god, I seriously, I don't think I can ever.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Oh, I had the artichoke last time I was there too in New York.

• 19:34Speaker 00

  Did you enjoy it?

• 19:35Speaker 01

  I didn't, I get food poisoning, yeah, it was fun.

• 19:37Speaker 00

  I had a panic attack because of my food poisoning and they had to pump me up with like, like something.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Like chill out, stalls?

• 19:44Speaker 00

  I was throwing up Pepto Bismol like straight pink.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Last time I got food poisoning, I had Sweetgreen and this threw up thirteen times.

• 19:51Speaker 00

  What?

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Well, if I had thrown up the fourteenth time, I was going to the hospital.

• 19:55Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait. What protein did you have that caused this?

• 19:59Speaker 01

  It was either

• 20:02Speaker 01

  some fucked up romaine, or it was the chicken.

• 20:05Speaker 00

  Really? Isn't that E. coli?

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Literally. I was like, this might be it for me.

• 20:11Speaker 00

  You know, one time I had baby polio?

• 20:13Speaker 01

  As opposed to grown up polio? What's the difference?

• 20:15Speaker 00

  It's like polio junior. So I got, I got up in bed and I remember getting up out of bed and I just went to go stand up and fell to the floor and I couldn't walk for an entire week. And everyone was like, oh yeah, that's like mini polio.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  And so just, it's just in your legs? Were you like coughing and like, did you have like?

• 20:35Speaker 00

  I just couldn't walk.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  Couldn't walk, cool.

• 20:37Speaker 00

  And then my parents were like, you can, if you walk to us, we'll take you to, uh, twin, twin boots, what's it called?

• 20:44Speaker 01

  How old were you?

• 20:45Speaker 00

  Six. And they were like, if you walk to us, out of your like little, uh, not, uh, what's not soldier, um, stroller.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  You can get pizza and I got up and I walked.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  And then how long did the polio last? Just a week?

• 20:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, can you fact check me on this on baby polio? I swear it's a thing.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  It reminds me of like baby Mario.

• 21:06Speaker 00

  Baby polio?

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like.

• 21:08Speaker 00

  Is it a thing, Lou? I swear I'm right.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  I mean, they just call it polio.

• 21:12Speaker 00

  No, but I, if I had polio, I would have been a whole thing.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Sounded like a bit of a thing.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  Just as polio is a highly contagious viral disease primarily affects children.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Told you it was baby polio, so you didn't freak out.

• 21:24Speaker 00

  I did have polio.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Sounds like you just needed to hit, hit legs a few more days.

• 21:29Speaker 00

  Do you remember when I had polio as a child?

• 21:32Speaker 04

  What? Fuck that. No, you didn't have polio. Oh, you did. No, what you had was, um, something kids get where they are unable to walk for like three or four days. Yeah, it was, it was weird and fucking scary, but it wasn't polio. Yeah.

• 21:47Speaker 00

  But I thought you said it was like polio junior?

• 21:50Speaker 04

  No, I forgot what it was called. I mean, you, you can Google it. It's, it's a temporary.

• 21:57Speaker 00

  Paralyzation.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, where kids can't use their legs. And I forgot what, I mean, it was, it was freaky. I remember you pulling yourself across the floor. I mean, it was nuts. I had totally forgotten about that. Jesus Christ.

• 22:12Speaker 00

  Okay, love you.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Alright, love you.

• 22:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, I told you. Polio junior had it.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  It's not a thing. It's okay. Well, I'm.

• 22:21Speaker 00

  I depol- it was so scary, you guys.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  No, you're brave.

• 22:24Speaker 00

  No, I'm brave.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  I got scurvy the last week. I'm just kidding. Just like bringing up like old diseases.

• 22:30Speaker 00

  I would literally, if you actually told me you had scurvy right now, I would actually, no, it's scabies that kill me.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Don't even say that.

• 22:37Speaker 00

  Scab- have you ever had lice?

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had lice one time when I was a kid, but I always buzzed my head, so it was chill. Now, if I had lice, knock on friggin wood.

• 22:45Speaker 00

  That's not wood.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, whatever. But like, that would suck, because I like my hair. Like, I was so down. I was like, oh, another buzz cut? Sure. But now I'm like, buzz cut. I don't want that right now.

• 22:55Speaker 00

  Have you ever had bedbugs?

• 22:58Speaker 01

  No.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  Why are you lying?

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Because, no. My friend did, but I wasn't gonna blast them. Zip zap. Oh, my mom. My mom had bedbugs once. She got it. She got it traveling and she was really pissed. And I wasn't there the whole time, but every time I'd call her and be like, how's it going? She'd just be like, these fucking bedbugs. I'm gonna freak out. It, it's, it holds away, even though it's not technically your fault. Like, once you have bedbugs, you're the villain.

• 23:19Speaker 00

  You think so?

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Because you, it's like, it's like in the Spider-Man movie when like he becomes Venom. It's just like he can't get it off of him. And like, you're still mad at him, but it's not his fault.

• 23:27Speaker 00

  What's your favorite movie?

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Um, Spider-Man. No, I'm just kidding. Um, uh, it's like probably Good Will Hunting or Elf.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  Or Nemo.

• 23:39Speaker 00

  What do you love about Nemo?

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Hmm, well, it's a childhood movie and I've seen it so many times and I love the father-son relationship between Marlin and Nemo.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  And it's just a perfect movie. It's just like.

• 23:53Speaker 00

  Do you have a favorite quote?

• 23:55Speaker 01

  They're in this whale and Dory and Marlin are hanging on to the uh like taste buds of this whale. They're trying to like escape and you know ignorant but beautiful old Dory is telling Marlin is telling Marlin like you have to let go if you want to leave this whale to keep finding Nemo like you have to let go. And and and then like she just yells at him and she's like you have to let go and he's like controlling over Nemo and that's why like he left and it's this whole like dynamic. And Dory in such a pure sense is like you just have to let go if you want to like get further. And like let this evolve and he like takes it in the sense of like you have to let go of Nemo and it's just beautiful.

• 24:34Speaker 00

  Pixar movies are the best.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  I remember watching that that that scene in marine bio class first period senior year and I had a mask on because I was in school with a mask. Yeah, and I had to put my mask over my face because I was tearing up.

• 24:49Speaker 00

  Tell me about what high school was like in covid.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Well, it's like a whole year, my whole junior year. I was

• 25:00Speaker 01

  online the entire time, not going because it was like we was zoom school. You know, like no one went to the campus.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  Were you just miserable?

• 25:08Speaker 01

  No, I was just like learning how to play the guitar and going on bike rides. And like honestly panicking a little bit because of the weed that I had this like whole month where I like was very hazy because of like I was smoking too much weed and but anyways, I was chilling. I was like learning how to play music and and taking bike rides and like at school was so easy and they couldn't hold you accountable for anything. Like, how do you tell a kid to show up? Like, I'd be like, my camera's broken. I can't can't be on the class. And it's like, what are you gonna fucking go to my house and check my computer camera? And so every kid did that and they're like, what? Camera's broken. Sorry.

• 25:41Speaker 00

  And you would just.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  And I would go play the guitar.

• 25:45Speaker 00

  While you were in class. That was kind of like what I did in college a bit.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you did you have like.

• 25:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:51Speaker 00

  It was easy to cheat.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  So easy. Are you a cheater?

• 25:55Speaker 00

  Now, have you ever cheated?

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Uh-uh.

• 25:58Speaker 00

  Have you ever been cheated on?

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Mm-mm, I hope not. That would, that would, I'm, I'm big on the golden rule. Treat others how you want to be treated, so...

• 26:09Speaker 00

  It's, it is, it's the golden rule.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  It's the golden rule, so I don't cheat. And it, cause if someone cheated on me, I would be so incredibly hurt. Have you ever wanted to cheat?

• 26:21Speaker 00

  Well, I've never had, I've never been in the position to be able to cheat.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  You've never had a freaking relationship?

• 26:26Speaker 00

  No.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  What? You're a catch, man.

• 26:30Speaker 00

  Oh, my god, I did not think that that's the direction that was going in. Thank you so much.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 00

  Tell me about your writing process.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  I just like play on the guitar and hum until I'm like moved, or I'll have a, or I'll hear like a line, or like think of a line and try to build around that. It's kinda just like, you know?

• 26:48Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, just kinda like strumming my guitar and then sometimes it's that, sometimes it's just like banging on like bunches synths, whatever inspires me and then I just follow it until it's over.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  So my favorite song of yours is Roommates.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 27:01Speaker 00

  So did that start, like, with the little riff on the guitar?

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it did. I remember, I, I played it, I still have it somewhere on my phone. I played it into my like headphones on my iPhone GarageBand and just like demoed it out and then I went on a walk and then I like always forget, after I make a riff, I leave and then I come back and I like hear it for the first time again, cause I don't really remember what it was. And then I was like, oh, this is good. And then I went out to my backyard and wrote the whole song.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  You just, it just flowed out of you?

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Just listening to it on my, on my phone.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  Very musical family.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, yeah, for real.

• 27:32Speaker 00

  Did you have a, because you discovered you wanted to do pursuing music when you were like sixteen?

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:37Speaker 00

  You taught yourself guitar.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Mm.

• 27:38Speaker 00

  So what was the plan before that?

• 27:41Speaker 01

  I don't know, I was really into writing, something creative, you know? I was just like down to just like be creative and, and like...

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Dress like Joseph Gordon Levitt from ten things I hate about you and go to high school and just like be cute and be into art.

• 27:57Speaker 00

  You know, I've never seen that movie.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  What?

• 28:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  What are you waiting for?

• 28:01Speaker 00

  I don't know. I'm a TV guy. Do you watch TV?

• 28:03Speaker 01

  You're a TV guy. I would say I'm more of a movie guy, but I feel uncultured in most things.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  Do you wa- what do you watch? Any TV right now? Anything?

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Right now? No. I mean, I'm watching Euphoria.

• 28:13Speaker 00

  No, I can't because it's a big spoiler and I opened Twitter and saw it first thing today.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, and I'm so off that side of like, I don't see shit about Euphoria. So it's sick.

• 28:22Speaker 00

  Do you ever check Twitter?

• 28:23Speaker 01

  I don't have Twitter.

• 28:24Speaker 00

  Twitter created Vine.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  I like Vine.

• 28:27Speaker 00

  How old were you when Vine was a thing?

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Um, fifth grade.

• 28:31Speaker 00

  Oh, so you loved Vine?

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  What'd you love? Like Hurricane Tortilla?

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, all of it.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Every time. Yeah, like there was guys who just like created like had like a skit culture, like Casey Frye, like.

• 28:44Speaker 00

  I know the name.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, like he's like, um, what did he do? Like Nick Colletti, like you don't know these guys?

• 28:51Speaker 00

  I know the name.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like these just like, and they're still funny, like they do like stand up or whatever, but like they just get in seven seconds, they made me laugh out loud and like were witty about it all in seven seconds. And it's just like.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  It is a hard medium to do that.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I mean, they really went short. Like they almost like were ahead of their time where they're like, we're gonna make this so quick to consume.

• 29:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then it went away forever.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, now we have TikTok.

• 29:16Speaker 00

  Did TikTok launch your career?

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, TikTok is like the, to me, that's like the hub. Like, like I see that as like, that's just like where so much stuff is consumed. And so like, that's just like,

• 29:28Speaker 01

  it's like saying like, did like radio or like back in the day, it's like, how did your music career launch? It's like, did they like played your songs on the radio? It's like they just play your songs on TikTok and that's how like anyone hears it apparently. But, uh, yeah, no, I, I, uh, for sure am viral on TikTok, yes.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Super viral.

• 29:47Speaker 00

  For, it was for roommates?

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, roommates blew up. Roommates blew up and, and chest pain and sweet boy.

• 29:53Speaker 00

  Were you nervous to put those out at all?

• 29:56Speaker 01

  No, I was like, I downloaded TikTok to put them out. I was like. This is purely a swallow your pride, throw shit at the wall, see what sticks like vibe. And I was totally comfortable in that. I wasn't like going around being like, guys, I'm like big on TikTok or like, go, go check out my TikToks. I was just like, I hope like a bunch of random people see this and it blows up. And then my Instagram is kind of for like, this is me.

• 30:22Speaker 00

  Oh, how's that going? Your Instagram?

• 30:24Speaker 01

  This is exactly who I'm supposed to be. Julian? Still no.

• 30:28Speaker 00

  Do you have any answer as to why? Working on it. You're like low key bugging about it.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  It's like, what?

• 30:36Speaker 00

  Sometimes I pretend I have fake eyelashes.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Real?

• 30:40Speaker 00

  I do that. Do you have, have you ever, Luis, have you ever caught me doing that? If I get stressed out, I go, I go like that. I also go like this.

• 30:50Speaker 00

  But I do it like in a very serious way.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  That's so funny, because what are you doing?

• 30:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. I'll fake eyelashes. I'll fake chew gum. Although.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 31:02Speaker 00

  Do you have any nervous tics that you do?

• 31:04Speaker 01

  No, just general tics, yes, but we can move on from that as well.

• 31:08Speaker 00

  Do you want to know what I'm therapist about today?

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 31:12Speaker 00

  Okay. I'm therapist about the fact that.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  You didn't have an answer before this.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  I guess I don't have an answer. I guess my therapist lately has been teaching me to do palms up.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  What the fuck does that do?

• 31:26Speaker 00

  It's just like palms up, like you leave it to essentially Hashem.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Like, like pinky up?

• 31:32Speaker 00

  No, pinky up is like a mindset. Palms up is like an action.

• 31:45Speaker 00

  Like you notice everything going on in the world. There's a little.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  Okay, I have this too. I do this in the shower. But I just, it's instead of palms up, it's let the water run over your, um, head and listen to the drops of water.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  What are you drinking on?

• 32:00Speaker 00

  Celsius and a punch pop poppy that I haven't opened yet.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Which, but like, okay, anyways, Celsius, like if I drank that Celsius, I think like. It would be bad, like I think I'd be.

• 32:11Speaker 00

  You've never had to do it on tour before, you've never had to drink caffeine?

• 32:14Speaker 01

  No, like, no, sometimes I'll have like a sip of Dr. Pepper before I go onstage, I know, I'm crazy. But, but, no, like, the whole, like, I, I was actually, I was recording my album and it was like, the, it was like, the, last week and we had to really get it done and it was like 2 a.m. and I knew I had to be up till 6 a.m. and I had like a quarter of a Red Bull. Maybe like a half?

• 32:34Speaker 00

  I fuck with Red Bull.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Dude, it tasted so good, but I was freaking out for a while.

• 32:38Speaker 00

  That's my drink at a bar, Red Bull vodka.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, does that not just get you just like jacked?

• 32:42Speaker 00

  Bless you, Jackson, I knew that was you.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  It was Jackson.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  Was it?

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Jackson, was that you? Someone fess, alright, whatever. Be honest, fuck. We should bring Jackson in for the last five.

• 32:52Speaker 00

  Jackson, you can come in.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Jackson, come in for like, can we just do a quick section?

• 32:56Speaker 00

  Do you wanna come sit?

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Go sit, go sit for a sec. Come there, sit.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  You guys are best friends?

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:05Speaker 00

  Do you guys wanna play the game where you two have to say the same word at the same time?

• 33:09Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 33:10Speaker 00

  Okay, one.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Also, do you think we sound the same?

• 33:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, how do you guys know each other besides being cousins?

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Uh, that's how we know each other, yeah, we're family.

• 33:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  Okay, let's just do it quick, ready?

• 33:27Speaker 00

  One, two, three.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Okay, orange.

• 33:32Speaker 00

  Oh, well, now it's quite easy, huh?

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Um, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:35Speaker 00

  One, two, three.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  NBA, oh.

• 33:38Speaker 00

  What'd you say?

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Color.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  You said orange and you said basketball and you couldn't get to the Knicks?

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Okay, well, we're at color and basketball?

• 33:52Speaker 00

  Start again.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, we can do this color and basketball.

• 33:55Speaker 00

  No, you can't, that's not the rules of the game.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Okay, yes, sir.

• 33:58Speaker 00

  One, two, three.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Broccoli.

• 34:01Speaker 00

  Football broccoli? Okay.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:05Speaker 00

  One, two, three.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  Fitness. Oh, I feel you.

• 34:09Speaker 00

  Wait, what'd you say?

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Fitness.

• 34:12Speaker 00

  And you said big green egg?

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:13Speaker 00

  Okay, oh, I know where I'd go with this.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Think, think.

• 34:18Speaker 00

  Do you know where you'd go?

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Hmm, okay, ready? Okay.

• 34:22Speaker 00

  Three, two, one.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Steak.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Wait.

• 34:29Speaker 00

  Who are you?

• 34:33Speaker 00

  I was gonna go meal prep.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Hmm, I've been doing that.

• 34:37Speaker 00

  Right, you've been talking about?

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, cuz I'm doing air one, but like because the air one got a little out of hand, just like.

• 34:43Speaker 00

  Financially.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  It's just ridiculous. I love air one, but like that, that for me every day. It's just, I was like, okay, maybe I can split. So half the week I'm doing meal prep and having someone like do it for way like much more sustainable prices. And like cook it for me and I just defrost it and eat it.

• 34:58Speaker 00

  Are you sustainable?

• 34:59Speaker 01

  As much as the next guy.

• 35:01Speaker 00

  OCD things I have to recycle.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  I'm OCD.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  You have OCD?

• 35:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, do you have like actual OCD?

• 35:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, yes.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, me too.

• 35:08Speaker 00

  What's your OCD?

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Uh, manifesting like little uh ticks and like rituals.

• 35:13Speaker 00

  Me too!

• 35:15Speaker 01

  My gosh, my shit's crazy.

• 35:16Speaker 00

  My shit's crazy too?

• 35:17Speaker 01

  I've been getting, I'm, I'm in a good pocket, or not on wood dude, honestly.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  Are you on meds?

• 35:21Speaker 01

  No, I've never done them, but I've been in therapy for since I was like eight. Yeah, they've been trying to put me on meds for forever.

• 35:27Speaker 00

  I know.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  This is the most I've ever talked about my OCD.

• 35:30Speaker 00

  Oh, we don't have to talk about it?

• 35:31Speaker 01

  No, it's totally fine. Let's just see where it goes.

• 35:33Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  Well, I am on meds and in therapy for it, but I skip therapy for it every week.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  Nice. Do you do like uh?

• 35:41Speaker 00

  Exposure therapy? Yeah, like I used to not, well, I don't know if I want to tell you cuz I feel like, do you know when someone tells you their OCD and then you catch it?

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Hmm, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I won't.

• 35:51Speaker 00

  Okay, so I can tell you?

• 35:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  Like I used to not be able to like add songs to playlists?

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Hmm, this is so classic.

• 35:56Speaker 00

  Like I would have to do it four different times?

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 35:59Speaker 00

  And then what else?

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Hmm, I've been crazy with my phone right now. Right now it's been manifesting on my phone.

• 36:04Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  And it's so annoying cuz you're on your, I'm on my phone so much. And it's just so funny. It's like I, I'll be, I'll be able to like kill a tick. And then it'll come back like 10 times stronger and a new tick.

• 36:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:14Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 36:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  I'm like, I thought I had you and now all of a sudden I didn't even realize, but it's on my phone a lot right now with like.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Dude, so weird, but like every time I like if I'm scrolling like if I'm scrolling a song on Spotify. The bottom like song has to line up to where there's no of the line.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  I told you, yes, yeah. When I take a screenshot, the little thingy that like scrolls up and down, the little navigator bar has to disappear. And if I take a screenshot, I have to delete it and then I can't take a new screenshot until that photo is deleted out of my recently deleted.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  And right now putting on my shoes right now is like a movie.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, same with me in shower and it's just impossible.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, took me, it took me, it used to take me so long to get out of the shower. I had to, I had to, I had to really work on that one.

• 36:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, if there's like a little bit of soap on me, I have to restart the shower and do my whole thing again.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Dude, in faucets, kill me.

• 37:05Speaker 00

  How, what, how do they kill you?

• 37:08Speaker 01

  They have to turn on the same, if it's ever two faucets at the same time, like a hot and a cold.

• 37:13Speaker 00

  They have to turn on the same time.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  And go off at the same time. And if it's like a boom.

• 37:17Speaker 00

  And then do you have magical thinking where you think something bad's gonna happen? Oh my, we're low key more similar than I anticipated.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  This has been OCD talk.

• 37:26Speaker 00

  Well, you know, a lot of people don't talk about it.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  It's like, it's intense as hell and it's like, I don't even wanna, do you get triggered by when people are like, oh, I'm so OCD about this?

• 37:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, I get really angry.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  It's like, I just in my, in my head, I'm like, you'll never know, it's okay.

• 37:40Speaker 00

  Well, cause people didn't believe me in high school and it was very frustrating because I'm very messy. I'm a messy eater. I'm messy. I just like my whole life.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, we are similar.

• 37:48Speaker 00

  I think we are too. And I, people would be like, you don't have OCD because you're so fucking messy. I'd be like, no, I, I think I do have OCD because I Googled it. And this is what came out.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  There's, I've never been more sure of something.

• 38:01Speaker 00

  That's how I feel as well. And you've had it since you were, I've had it since I was like seven.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, same. Literally my whole life.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  Remember your first ritual ever?

• 38:07Speaker 01

  I remember, dude, yeah, I remember being like in, I remember playing football in my cul-de-sac and being like, if I do this, this is gonna happen.

• 38:15Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  And then, and nailing it and being like, that's how the world works. And then that was the rest of my life.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  Yep. Mine was I started to touch things evenly and then I was like, and if I touch it evenly, good things will happen. I think I was in the pool.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like very like, very like childish stuff where you're like so like, oh, this is so, this makes so much sense. And now it's like cut to us.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  And actually, the first time I ever saw it portrayed was on Girls on HBO when Hannah has an OCD episode. You should watch Girls.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, Audrey loves that show.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  It's the best show of all time.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  She thinks Adam Driver is the one.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  Really?

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, just, just because of that show.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  He's so hot.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  I'm like, I see him in some other things and I'm like, he's the one? But apparently, he's like so great in that show. He was in the army.

• 38:57Speaker 00

  Uh huh. Yes, I did know he was in the army. And then he did Girls. Well, he did Tiny Furniture, her first short film. And then she.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  And then he did Girls.

• 39:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Do you have a favorite song of your sisters? And you can't say Phoebe just because you covered it.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Okay, well, that is my favorite one. But then I also love, I love Silver Jubilee. I cry to Silver Jubilee like almost every time I listen to it so funny. I like have this moment when she goes, I'm gonna tell my sister your secrets. I just like.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  Why do you think that is?

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Because that's my sister she's talking about and I believe her. Because she does tell her all those fucking secrets. And I just, I'm like, I know her.

• 39:30Speaker 00

  Oh, that's so sweet. That album is one of my favorite albums of all time.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, same. It's fucking insanely good.

• 39:37Speaker 00

  It's like, actually, we talked about it in my last episode, how good it is.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  She'll never top that. No, I'm just kidding.

• 39:42Speaker 00

  Yo, she absolutely will.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  No, she will, trust. I see, I'm seeing, I'm seeing.

• 39:46Speaker 00

  As you will top all your previous work with your upcoming album. Do that again. Out June 5th.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Out June 5th.

• 39:53Speaker 00

  What's your favorite song off the album?

• 39:55Speaker 01

  It just switches all the time, but I think right now I really love the song Do That Again. It's the title track. And what else? Maybe the one called Obsessica.

• 40:09Speaker 00

  You have a song called Obsessica?

• 40:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 00

  What's it about? Are you lying?

• 40:13Speaker 01

  It's about being obsessed with girls.

• 40:16Speaker 00

  And you just called it Obsessica?

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, because there's like this bit at the end of the song where like. I just start like rattling off girls' names and it's like Jessica Rebecca.

• 40:26Speaker 00

  You low key rap sometimes?

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, low key.

• 40:29Speaker 00

  Do you ever freestyle? I wouldn't make you do that now because it would make me uncomfortable, but.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it may, oh, it's the most uncomfortable thing ever. Yeah, I don't often freestyle. And if I do, like, I just like throw in like a quick line and then step back out. I'm not like, and fucking also like totally killing the vibe.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  And also just like, I think that's a thing is like, just in like, boy culture, like dudes being like, dude, just lighten up and like freestyling with the boys in the car like, I'm like, that's the last thing I've ever related to, like feel, I, I, what I love is like methodically writing a rap, very well thought out and sharing it with your friends.

• 41:11Speaker 00

  Oh, you're like a smart, a smart.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're like, I'll with my friends sometimes, like, we'll all like, we'll like make a groove and then we'll all like write our own verses and like share them with each other and like, that's fun to me, but like.

• 41:23Speaker 00

  Oh my god, you guys are like all like a little like creative little.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have like all little creative friends.

• 41:29Speaker 00

  Oh my god, that's so amazing.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  It's awesome.

• 41:31Speaker 00

  That reminds me of like Joni Mitchell and all her friends in like the sixties.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, they all, like a good portion of them like dressed like that too, and it's a little funny to me.

• 41:39Speaker 00

  So you're like Joni Mitchell?

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'll be Joni.

• 41:43Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  The Laurel Canyon vibes.

• 41:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, have you ever heard the Our House demo?

• 41:48Speaker 01

  With Joni?

• 41:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Oh, I have.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  It's amazing.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  That's one of my favorite songs of all time.

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Our House?

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. I covered it on tour with my, those friends I'm talking about who are also in my.

• 41:57Speaker 00

  Wow, how beautiful is that?

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 00

  So I am curious, like, after, upon meeting Jackson, what does he do for you?

• 42:08Speaker 01

  He is, I mean, obviously, first and foremost, he's my cousin and my brother. My family.

• 42:14Speaker 00

  Love that.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Um, but, he's also a stellar assistant. Um, and he goes everywhere with me and makes sure that I have my head screwed on straight and make sure that everything's. Running smoothly and helps me with uh stuff that I need to take off my plate, you know, like.

• 42:33Speaker 00

  So an assistant, yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:36Speaker 00

  So do you know about the tell me what's wrongs? So the pussies write in and they tell us what's wrong. And honestly, I would love to hear your take on some of these.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  My sister-in-law wants to do her gender reveal the day after I get married. I think it's actually insane to do it the day after our wedding that we are all driving five plus hours to and from. There are so many other days to choose from. Am I being insensitive bitch? What should I do? Her reasoning is that all of our family is still in town by then.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  That's what I was gonna say. I was, I was gonna say that I was like, if she wants to do it when everyone's in town, that kinda makes sense.

• 43:17Speaker 00

  Have you ever been to a gender reveal?

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Do you, is that something you go to?

• 43:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're so fun.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 43:23Speaker 00

  They're literally my favorite thing ever.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, no.

• 43:26Speaker 00

  I, when I was in assistant, I planned.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Oh, tell me about your assistant. Like Jackson's listening, he could maybe learn a few things.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  Well, I was an assistant.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, tell me about it.

• 43:35Speaker 00

  Um, I realized my, I actually didn't plan my boss's gender reveal because I wasn't an assistant at that point, but I planned his engagement party and I blacked out.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  At the engagement party?

• 43:45Speaker 00

  Blacked out.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  I've never blacked out in my life.

• 43:47Speaker 00

  Ever? It's horrible. It's the worst thing ever. You wake up and you're like, what happened? But I haven't blacked out in a minute.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Okay, good. I like that. I blacking out, I just feel like I couldn't, like that's just so, like you not knowing what happened, like I can't imagine like someone being invested in you and being like, what happened Jake? And you're like, I don't know. And you weren't there. It's like so.

• 44:04Speaker 00

  It's the worst thing ever, but in college, it's like a very big part of the culture, blacking out.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:10Speaker 00

  It's like, we're gonna, what are we gonna do tonight? Uh, blackout?

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, blackout, fucking remember anything? Lit.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  If I was this girl, I'd be like, maybe you can wait like a day af- well, actually, it's, yeah, I honestly, can I tell you, I understand why this girl's annoyed. Because she's getting married and then all the photos the next day are gonna be the gender reveal, not the marriage.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  I totally understand why it's annoying cuz it's it's her big weekend and there's only one wedding.

• 44:32Speaker 00

  You can do a gender reveal over Zoom.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Eh eh eh, they're two different things, you know, it's like you wouldn't plan a gender of reveal like it's a wedding. So she's putting all this towards her wedding and then she's just kinda riding in off the

• 44:44Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  Off the like effort that it is, you know? So I guess it is, it's kinda like.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  It's like you're

• 44:50Speaker 01

  You're kinda mooching.

• 44:51Speaker 00

  You're taking, yeah, you're mooching off of the fact that everyone's in town for my event that I planned.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  I see both ways and I'm probably gonna do that for like most of these cuz I'm I'm that fucking type of guy. But maybe not, maybe not.

• 45:01Speaker 00

  Hi Jake and beautiful guest.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. My roommate and her boyfriend have been stealing stuff from me and lying about it. Some of my more intimate possessions too, ew. And it's really getting weird. I catch some of my clothes, remotes, chargers, etc. in their room all the time and it's such a weird unspoken thing. How do I talk to them about this? I hate confrontation. This reminds me of um.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  The cr- is it with, is it with um?

• 45:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Is it with Emma Stone?

• 45:29Speaker 00

  No. Not Anne White, not Anne Boleyn.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  Jane Eyre?

• 45:33Speaker 00

  Jane Eyre! Oh my god, and she doesn't speak up for herself ever and everyone's so fucking rude to her, she never says anything.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, confrontation, you gotta work on that, girl. Merbora.

• 45:43Speaker 00

  Jane Eyre Nolan, wow.

• 45:45Speaker 03

  I was in Jane Eyre. In high school.

• 45:47Speaker 00

  Oh, and she never says anything, right?

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I was like the bully in it.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, they all bully her?

• 45:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 00

  What would you do if someone was, if Jackson was stealing your stuff? You would say something immediately?

• 45:56Speaker 01

  For sure, I'm a little, I'm a little gray on like the personal, cuz she was like some very personal items, then she was like the remote and my clothes, which sound like very not that personal. So like, I'm I'm trying to break down the psychology, like how freaky is this?

• 46:08Speaker 00

  I I I assume she means like the girls, the other girls taking her underwear.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  And the boyfriend, where does he come into play? Like my, like them as a team, it's starting to feel like this weird rouge, like where they're like stealing. I'm just trying to feel like. Is shit just laying around and she's overreacting or or or?

• 46:26Speaker 00

  No, I I.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  Are they like teaming up against her?

• 46:28Speaker 00

  I'm on her side.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 46:30Speaker 00

  And I would be like you need, but it's two against one. How scary?

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:34Speaker 00

  They'll be like, we didn't steal your shit.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  I think you just gotta go roommate to roommate and then have her extend it to the boyfriend. It doesn't need to be a group talk.

• 46:41Speaker 00

  Smart. And also take photos.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Take photos of what she stole?

• 46:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, be like, take photos of it in her room and be like, you stole this. Look.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. You know, as if you're confronting a liar, you need to have proof. You're very right.

• 46:52Speaker 00

  Have you ever been in this? Have you ever been in a situation with a liar or a relationship with a liar?

• 46:57Speaker 01

  No, and lying is I'm, is a huge no go for me.

• 47:00Speaker 00

  Right, as, yes.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I just, because I don't lie.

• 47:04Speaker 00

  Do you think I could get my ears pierced?

• 47:06Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 47:07Speaker 00

  Louise says it would be really bad for the brand, for me.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  Like Jake's just gotta be Jake. And if that's means piercing his ears, well, if he wants to do it, he's gotta do it.

• 47:17Speaker 00

  Can you picture me with like one tiny hoop here?

• 47:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, also like it's not, there's nothing wrong with evolving. Like if that's not you a year ago, like.

• 47:25Speaker 00

  When did you get your ears pierced?

• 47:26Speaker 01

  I was like sixteen.

• 47:28Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. So that's been you?

• 47:29Speaker 01

  It's been me. But like.

• 47:32Speaker 00

  I only wanted to do it because I started posting Instagram dumps and I felt like, you know, like, like artsy. Like I posted in my Instagram dump today, like a photo of a fire hydrant spilling out water and everyone swiped over it and was like, do you really need this? And I said, yes.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Yes. And then, okay, I have a question. Do you, would you feel like, do you feel like you could get the earring? And then if it wasn't for you a week later, take it out and like.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  That's what, how I thought it worked, but Louise is apparently you have to keep it in for three months.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  If it, if you, whatever, but I'm just like saying, would you feel fine like being like, oh, I tried a thing and it failed in front of everyone?

• 48:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, I do that consistently.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  Okay, then you're good. I'd be worried if you were like, oh, I have to really commit to this and if like, if it's not, but just try it. If it doesn't work, take it out, right?

• 48:20Speaker 00

  She really does not want me to get an ear in.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  I'm fighting for you.

• 48:23Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Sorry Louise.

• 48:24Speaker 00

  My, my boyfriend is constantly sports betting all night and day. He recently spent his whole paycheck on betting in three days. He even asked me for money so he would be able to continue to do it. Oh, what a bum.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  This is a nightmare.

• 48:35Speaker 00

  He has money in his savings, but should I be concerned?

• 48:39Speaker 01

  I mean, beyond concerned.

• 48:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Gambling, gambling addiction is so bad. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's, this one's black and white.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, you think what, break up with him?

• 48:50Speaker 01

  No, don't go right to breaking up with him. He'll probably just lose even more money. I think just like, basically is, I would, I would give him an ultimatum. You gotta pick me or the gambling. And then let's see how he rocks.

• 49:01Speaker 00

  Have you ever given someone an ultimatum before?

• 49:03Speaker 01

  I know what I need in a relationship and I'll, I'll be a great partner if like we can hold up the same like standards for each other. And I'm like, if someone's not meeting my standards, like respectfully, I'd be like, okay, like this won't work for me. Like as a partnership and so I'll be like, you have to like, kind of, I've given the ultimatum of like, can you like, understand where I'm coming from or not? And if you don't, then it's okay, then we, it's not gonna work.

• 49:23Speaker 00

  You're very emotionally intelligent.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 49:26Speaker 00

  Have you gotten that before?

• 49:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  I think it's all the therapy I did since I was a kid.

• 49:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was about to say you must, your parents seem great.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  They're great.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  Actually, I've met your mom.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  You've met Jill.

• 49:37Speaker 00

  I've met your mom and she was the nicest person I've ever met in my entire life. And I've actually never forgotten it. Audrey hosted a reading with Substack and she so kindly invited me to read one, oh, want to talk about OCD. My OCD was almost like, don't say the word kindly. Lately I've been having issue with the word kindly. Do you know what I mean?

• 49:58Speaker 01

  I just feel you so hard. Oh my gosh, I feel you so hard. I have, I'm not even gonna say it.

• 50:03Speaker 00

  I couldn't write the word thus all of college. Still can't, by the way.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  I have a crazy one that I'm not gonna say, cause I'm like, I need to harness it before I like let it out into the world.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  Keep it, keep it.

• 50:13Speaker 01

  But it's, it's, it's on par with what you're saying.

• 50:15Speaker 00

  A bunch of my friends and I moved to NYC last summer after we graduated college, but now a lot of them are moving away for new jobs in, or grad school, either this summer or next summer. I love New York and want to stay, but I'm scared I'm going to be stranded, friendless this time next year. Any advice for making post-grad friends? Well, you're in the easiest city to make friends in the entire world. New York is, I feel like everyone wants to make a friend in New York.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  It's, it is, it's like, if you wanna go make friends, stay in New York.

• 50:38Speaker 00

  Right. And, do you ever wanna move to New York?

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I actually lived in New York for a year.

• 50:43Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  And I loved it.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  Where'd you live?

• 50:45Speaker 01

  I lived in the East Village, um, and. It was like my version of college cuz I didn't go to college and I felt like being in the East Village was that for me.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  So like what like how was it college for you like you'd wake up?

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Being around kids my age, you know, like when I was in LA and I wasn't going to college. There wasn't a hub for me to or like kind of like a a circle like a literally geographic like place to be in where like I was. Plus I wanted to like go drive to a college campus which like but the streets are the campus so I could just be on the street and feel surrounded by my peers.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  I I I I dropped out the week before I was supposed to go to Oregon. Whichever gets get confused. I was a week away from going to Oregon.

• 51:25Speaker 00

  Right, and you were like fuck this.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  I was like no. Yeah, school wasn't for me, but you went to school.

• 51:30Speaker 00

  I went to USC.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Right cuz you were talking, you were like. College, Air One reminds me of college and I was like, okay, LA College.

• 51:38Speaker 00

  I said Air One reminds me of college.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, or you said like something in the Air One that reminded you of college.

• 51:42Speaker 00

  I guess it does. I went to Air One a bunch in college.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 51:47Speaker 00

  The Silver Lake Air One actually, which is underratedly the best one. Well, what would you prescribe them? That that post grad girl, I would prescribe the movie Post Grad.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 51:57Speaker 00

  It's a movie about post grad. And I saw it when I was like in third grade, so I had no idea what the fuck was going on, but now I'm sure maybe I should rewatch it.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would just like.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Just be fearless. Just like it just like conquer whatever social fears you have and something good will come out of it.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  Love that. Did you watch Stranger Things?

• 52:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't finish. I've watched like I feel like I've watched like seventy percent of the episodes and I couldn't tell you like a single detail about the show.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  Do you like like thrillers, dark stuff or no?

• 52:26Speaker 01

  Not too dark. I just went and saw Obsession.

• 52:29Speaker 00

  Oh, my god, we've been talking about it all day.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  Did you see it?

• 52:32Speaker 00

  I've heard it's unbelievable.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  It's so good. It's super spooky. I I I I had that a little bit of a night nightmare vibe. Well, it was like I woke up in the middle of the night and then I couldn't get back to sleep. Every time I fall asleep like right before it'd be like boo like in my head.

• 52:48Speaker 00

  Have you ever, do you ever, when you fall asleep, get the muscle spasms? Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Is that like a boy thing or is that like a?

• 52:54Speaker 00

  No, it's an anxiety thing, I think. I have the worst anxiety dreams where my teeth are falling out, people are pulling them out. I had a dream the other day. Was sleeping over and she woke up to me. Screaming at her like, no, you can't, you can't.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  You were doing that in real life?

• 53:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I woke up and she was like, what the fuck just happened?

• 53:13Speaker 01

  That's dark.

• 53:14Speaker 00

  I know.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  That's okay, though. That's a part of your like, it's a part of your makeup and it's why you're you.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  Oh, thank you.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:21Speaker 00

  Are you excited to tour?

• 53:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love touring because I toured with my besties.

• 53:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, I went on tour and I would go and speak and I went with Louise and Manny.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  You did the bus?

• 53:28Speaker 00

  I did the bus. Do you have a bunk or a room?

• 53:30Speaker 01

  I have a room, but sometimes I just do the bunk.

• 53:33Speaker 00

  Bunk, I feel like everyone gets better sleep.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  It's like a lot of rattling around in the back room.

• 53:39Speaker 00

  Oh, this one's for you because you hate liars. Basically, my best friend since childhood has turned into a white liar these days. Never really to me sometimes, but like this is a huge red flag for me and other people and I want to bring it up to her, but she always writes it off as cute.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:53Speaker 00

  Well, at least she admits it. We've known each other for ten years. How do I make her realize it really is that deep?

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Um, you, like, actions speak louder than words. You gotta just, she's gotta, if she, like, she's gotta, like, there's gotta be a true consequence, like, and I don't know how deep, it's her best friend, like, they do love each other. It's a slippery slope because it's like, you don't want to, like, X someone out, but like, I think space or like, letting her, like, sit with what she's doing is better. Because if you just tell someone who's like a general liar to stop lying, that is, like, they do, they say it's cute. I think there needs to be something bigger than saying stop.

• 54:28Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Does Jackson ever lie to you?

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Dude, would mean, nah, yeah, Jackson sometimes can frickin fib the truth and, but that's, you know, he doesn't do it as much anymore.

• 54:39Speaker 00

  Really?

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Because he knows I fucking hate lying, but it's like, I'm like, just keep it a stack with me. That's what, like, besties are for, right? I don't lie, but yeah.

• 54:50Speaker 00

  Were you just lying?

• 54:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:52Speaker 00

  I can't lie. I'm a very anxious person and it's now manifesting into me being weirdly, weirdly bloated at the most random times. And it's affecting my workouts and daily routines. Wait, I relate to this. Could this actually have to do with my stress levels? And how do you recommend dealing with stress that impacts your body? Well, I don't, I, I don't know, but that does happen to me all the time. I'm now realizing.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  When you're stressed, you feel bloated?

• 55:13Speaker 00

  I think so, yeah. I think I, like, bloat myself because I'm so stressed out all the time because your cortisol levels are so high.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 55:20Speaker 00

  So I would take, like, medication for that.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Like, de-bloating medication?

• 55:23Speaker 00

  No, like, I would take, like, anti-anxiety medication that you go see a psychiatrist, but you know healthcare's impossible in this country, so.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Got speed, girl.

• 55:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:35Speaker 00

  I have relationship OCD, so sometimes I spiral thinking that my boyfriend isn't the right person for me. Something terrible is going to happen to him if we stay together, etc. Recently, I opened up to my friend about how I was feeling and she told me I should listen to my quote gut feeling. And now she keeps trying to convince me to break up with him. She knows I struggle with relationship OCD, but I feel like she doesn't really get it. Any advice? Well, see, the gut feeling and OCD is very difficult, at least for me, because I have a gut feeling constantly, but really it's just anxiety.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm big on like, I'm big on trusting your instincts. And I don't know this person, so I can't really like, if I see somewhere and I know their instincts are right, the best advice you can always give those people is trust their instincts. And then just let it happen.

• 56:14Speaker 00

  But her instincts are saying that if she stays with the guy, then something bad will happen?

• 56:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's a distortion.

• 56:20Speaker 00

  Okay, elaborate.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  That's anxiety talking and you're making up for your anxiety with irrational decisions and like.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  But you, deep down, the.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  That's been me, by the way, this whole time. I've just been like really chill about it.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  Me too.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, what's up with that?

• 56:40Speaker 00

  I don't know. It happens to me all the time. Have you heard me do it? Or is that the first time you heard it? Because it's been happening to me this entire episode.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I haven't heard it.

• 56:46Speaker 00

  But it's been happening to you too?

• 56:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've just been like, anyway, like.

• 56:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, me too.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Wait, okay, wait, keep building on this because this one's exciting.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  Okay, I don't know, like.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  Well, she's saying like, because this is kind of dark and crazy, but like, she thinks that she loves her boyfriend. I know. I'm just, I don't know. She just, I just burped. She, she, she loves her boyfriend, but she thinks if she stays together with him, something bad's gonna happen, which there's no justification to that. That's just a full-blown like, that's a worry that she's having.

• 57:17Speaker 00

  So should she leave her boyfriend? Because now her friend is like, you should leave him.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  No, that your friend's giving you bad advice. If you love him, stay with him and fight through this feeling and you'll come out the other side. And, and, and tell your boyfriend about it and or go to therapy about it. Cause Jake and I can only do so much in these like twenty seconds. It sounds like something you really gotta dive into.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  I know.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. What do you think?

• 57:41Speaker 00

  Exactly what you just, well, I like if that was me, I totally understand that. She seems like very selfless, this girl, like something bad's gonna happen to her boyfriend and not her.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  No, for sure. That's sweet. But that, but she loves him. It's like, what the hell? Don't let like, you have to fight for what you love and like, and you have to fight through the like distortions and stuff to like, you know, and that'll be the best for her life, even though it's like, the quick fix is like break up with him. But that's not gonna solve anything. And then also that's gonna fuel the next distortion in your brain to feel like, okay, well then I'll just get, you know, it's enough, make the evil thing in your mind feel like you, it's gonna, it can just make you do these things.

• 58:18Speaker 00

  Right.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  And that's like, not how you should live your life.

• 58:21Speaker 00

  What music are you listening to these days?

• 58:23Speaker 01

  I'm listening to like really chill music in the last like week, like dude, the Suf John Stevens songs, like which is the saddest song ever, the one where Cardinal hits the window.

• 58:33Speaker 00

  He did the Call Me By Your Name soundtrack, yeah?

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's the one that's.

• 58:38Speaker 00

  Is it off the Carrie and Low?

• 58:41Speaker 01

  And I told you what happened.

• 58:45Speaker 00

  You like, like folk music and stuff?

• 58:47Speaker 01

  I'm down, I'm down. It's just like, it's all, it's all vibes, it's all pockets. It's like, it's why you wanna get your ears pierced. It's like, cause you're just feeling it right now.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  I know, but it is so not me. Now that we've like continued to talk about the ear piercing, like if I was sitting here with an ear piercing, I'd be so uncomfortable.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, maybe it's not you. Maybe you know him better than you know, he, he knows himself.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  Do you feel that way?

• 59:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  She totally did. While I was watching her like, watch me try to convince you to do that, she was just like, like an idiot.

• 59:14Speaker 00

  They freaked out when I pranked. Do you like, do you love pranking your friends?

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Mm-mm. Pranking, I, I, I, I feel bad really fast.

• 59:21Speaker 00

  Oh, I don't.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  I love a good prank. It's my favorite thing on planet Earth.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  But like, once it's like, it gets so sad.

• 59:28Speaker 00

  I know.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  One time I told Mandy I was gonna be on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. She was so excited. I've never seen her.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Jackson does this shit to me all the fucking time.

• 59:38Speaker 00

  Like what?

• 59:39Speaker 01

  He'll just be like, he'll just say something that doesn't exist and just like, he has such a stone cold face, like with like telling me stuff that does, like sounds real but isn't real. And I'll just like believe him.

• 59:51Speaker 00

  Like what?

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Dude, what was the dildo later?

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Explain the dildo later thing.

• 59:58Speaker 00

  Well, he has to come back.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, come back in. So Malcolm's car had, was this a, oh, flat tire? Got a flat tire, so I had to bring it in and like get it checked out. And they had sent me the report back and there was like all this shit wrong with it. But it was gonna cost like two thousand dollars, but I was just sitting there. I think we got home like late and I was like, yeah. They said like it'd be two thousand dollars for like the dildo later. On the bottom of the car and he was like not really like paying attention or something. And he was like, bro, just like give him the money or like whatever. He was like, just fix the car. It was like whatever. And then I like go around the car. I'm like, bro, the dildo later? And he like looked at me and then I just like couldn't stop making fun of him for it for like. That's a prank. So.

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  That's a prank.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  It's a prank. I like pranks.

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  My friend Matt does that all the time. He'll point to like Meryl Streep and be like, don't you just love Nicole Kidman?

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Sounds like some shit you would do. Yeah.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  You remind me a lot of Matt, actually.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Shout out Matt.

• 1:00:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  You're over it.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was literally like, yeah, dude, just like the tires are one thousand and like you could get the gas caps fixed or whatever. And then like the dildo later is two thousand. And I was like.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  Do you guys live together?

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 00

  You're roommates?

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, we travel. We're also like traveling so much. So it's like we are, we are, we're just wherever, wherever he goes, I go.

• 1:01:21Speaker 00

  Are you a good traveler?

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  Hmm. It's easier when you have like a team. I have a tour manager and I have Jackson and like. So they make sure I don't lose any, you know, it's nice to have a team.

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  That's like watching over you.

• 1:01:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Comforting. They just make sure like if I have a problem, I can text people, which is like not a real way to live, but whoops.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  It is what it is.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. I gotta write these songs.

• 1:01:44Speaker 00

  Well, Malcolm, what did we learn today?

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  We learned that we're more similar than we thought.

• 1:01:50Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  We learned.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  That, this is a great vibe in here.

• 1:01:56Speaker 00

  You like it?

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love it. This is great.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  I had fun with you.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  I had a blast. I'm actually stoked. I think this is really good.

• 1:02:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think it's really funny.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we learned, I don't know, there's like a, there's a flip flops moment. You took your shoes off.

• 1:02:08Speaker 00

  I did.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  We learned that maybe hoop earring ultimately isn't for you, but we're not writing it off.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  But if I go get one, I'll go get one with you.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Um, text me.

• 1:02:17Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  For sure. And maybe I'll, someone told me yesterday I should get eyebrow piercing, which I'm not gonna do. Julian.

• 1:02:23Speaker 00

  I actually think it would look good.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:02:27Speaker 00

  So do it if that's your truth.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  If you get the ear.

• 1:02:30Speaker 00

  If you, if I get the ear, you'll do the eyebrow? Okay, I'll do it. I would literally do it next week.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  I would do it today, but my physical therapist is coming to check out my wrist, because if you can hear.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  It's cracking.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  It's cra- like.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Is that, did you look that up on Google?

• 1:02:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's because I broke my wrist when I blacked out when I was in 11th grade. And, um, it's never been the same since.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  But it's just catching up to you now.

• 1:02:53Speaker 00

  Kind of, yeah. My body is kind of, I'm going through my Saturn return, kind of.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, well.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  This is awesome. Yeah, I love this.

• 1:03:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, this was really fun. I would love to have you back anytime. His new album, Do That Again, is out June 5th.

• 1:03:06Speaker 02

  It's out now.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  It's out now.

• 1:03:07Speaker 00

  Oh, it's out now!

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Or would do I look somewhere? Bye pussies.