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0:38 Speaker 01 Bottom.
0:40 Speaker 02 Bottom.
0:41 Speaker 01 Sorry, Nolan is not here. So just had to figure out how to turn on this podcast equipment.
0:47 Speaker 02 Out of our element.
0:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, a little.
0:49 Speaker 02 A little. Hi. Hi.
0:53 Speaker 01 Hi.
0:55 Speaker 02 We've been apart. Oh, my God, Pulpo.
0:57 Speaker 01 Yes, Mojo, Brett's mom got me a few shirts. Where'd she get them?
1:00 Speaker 02 Madrid.
1:01 Speaker 01 She has. Brett's mom went to Madrid and got me a few shirts that are very cute, and I keep saying I'm wearing them. And Brett's like, really? I'm like, yes. No, I've been wearing them everywhere. So Mojo, thank you.
1:12 Speaker 02 Thanks, Mom.
1:13 Speaker 01 Do you want to talk about Tokyo?
1:15 Speaker 02 I would love to.
1:16 Speaker 01 Let's talk about it.
1:17 Speaker 02 Well, it was such a wonderful day. I just, I was so happy.
1:22 Speaker 01 Wait, before, how mad do you think Nolan's gonna be that we all figured this out?
1:26 Speaker 02 I don't know.
1:26 Speaker 01 I think he's gonna be mad.
1:27 Speaker 02 And he killed me in France. I think he might be like, whoa, nice.
1:30 Speaker 01 No, I think he's gonna be like, what? I think he's gonna be confused.
1:35 Speaker 02 Um, Tokyo was everything in war, especially after, you know, how Chicago went, which I came on and talked about that.
1:44 Speaker 01 We figured it out. I really do. Just kind of press a button, don't worry.
1:50 Speaker 01 Yep. Are you surprised? No, I'm not surprised. I knew the grift would be over soon. What grift? That I just pressed buttons. Okay, so, tell me about Tokyo.
2:01 Speaker 02 Um, well, I mean, it just, I was so happy because I really like changed how I was gonna look at this race. And I really like did it for myself. And I was like off my phone the morning of, like I wasn't posting, like I was hardly even responding to people. And I'm just like really proud of myself.
2:19 Speaker 01 You should be. I was so proud of you. I am so proud of you. Brett PR'd. 306.
2:24 Speaker 02 306. And Jake was texting Max for updates the whole race, which meant a lot to me. And I just am so happy.
2:32 Speaker 01 And then you flew back to LA and then saw me on Closing Night of Broadway.
2:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, and it was perfect. I was so happy.
2:39 Speaker 01 We had such a good time.
2:40 Speaker 02 I mean, I'm like, honestly, talk about good timing. The fact that like, you know, I could come and come back and see that.
2:47 Speaker 01 Did you enjoy Tokyo as a whole?
2:48 Speaker 02 I loved it. And you had just been...
2:50 Speaker 01 And how good was the wonton soup I told you about?
2:53 Speaker 02 We stayed at the same hotel for, Jake stayed there too. And the wonton soup for breakfast actually was unreal.
2:58 Speaker 01 I told you.
2:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:00 Speaker 01 Like that good.
3:01 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:01 Speaker 01 But it was amazing.
3:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was amazing. So, yeah, it honestly feels like it was a long time ago. I guess it was a month ago. March is almost over already, which is crazy.
3:10 Speaker 01 Did you enjoy this March?
3:12 Speaker 02 Well, I...
3:12 Speaker 01 Well, yeah, you PR'd in a marathon, so yeah.
3:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, but it's honestly been really busy. And just a lot more, and you've been like gone and I've been like lonely, so...
3:22 Speaker 01 I get so lonely here when you're not here. I can't even imagine when I'm not here.
3:26 Speaker 02 And you've been gone a lot.
3:28 Speaker 01 A lot, but I'm back all of April.
3:30 Speaker 02 Thank goodness.
3:31 Speaker 01 All of April. Why do I feel like, why do I feel so brain dead right now?
3:35 Speaker 02 Cause you've had a busy week and weekend. Like you just got back.
3:40 Speaker 01 I saw Paul McCartney.
3:41 Speaker 02 What were you saying?
3:41 Speaker 01 That was just...
3:43 Speaker 02 How was the Justin concert?
3:44 Speaker 01 I feel like I was, I got to see two intimate shows of like superstars.
3:49 Speaker 02 Well, you did.
3:51 Speaker 01 Paul McCartney was just like...
3:52 Speaker 02 Back to back.
3:54 Speaker 01 I called my dad the next morning and was like, I just saw Paul McCartney. Like in an intimate show.
4:02 Speaker 02 I mean like-
4:02 Speaker 01 And I saw him perform Hey Jude and-
4:03 Speaker 02 That's once in a lifetime.
4:04 Speaker 01 Um, Let It Be. And I like had like, and I couldn't use my phone, like they, you, like there was no phones and no photos. So like I was, I had to be in the moment, not that I wouldn't be, but like I'm addicted to my phone. And so like when he was doing Let It Be and like, and the whole like room was just like so in it.
4:24 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
4:24 Speaker 01 It was like one of the most beautiful moments of my entire life. When he did Hey Jude, um, he was like, like now the boys sing, like nah, nah, nah. And then the girls would sing. And then everyone sang together and it was like-
4:40 Speaker 02 I love that.
4:41 Speaker 01 It was like, I felt like I was, eh, I was witnessing like something historic.
4:46 Speaker 02 For sure.
4:47 Speaker 01 That's how I felt. I was like, this is, I can't believe, I write, I journaled about it.
4:53 Speaker 02 That's amazing.
4:54 Speaker 01 Because I didn't want to forget it. I didn't want to forget how special this weekend was to me. And then I saw Justin Bieber last night and that was also- His voice, Brett, he's never sounded better.
5:03 Speaker 02 He's so good.
5:04 Speaker 01 He's never, ever, ever, ever sounded better. He sa- he was so beautiful.
5:08 Speaker 02 I honestly, I love a no phones and I have been trying to reduce my screen time and-
5:12 Speaker 01 What the fuck is the brick?
5:13 Speaker 02 It's been successful. Um, so it's this like thing that, um, you basically touch your phone to it like Apple Pay kind of. And it like, you can do different settings. So I do like mindful. So I shut off all social media. So then I press my phone to the brick and then I physically can't open the apps on my phone.
5:30 Speaker 01 For how long?
5:31 Speaker 02 Until I un-brick my phone. So I normally do it-
5:34 Speaker 01 You're in the control of being like, well, I can un-brick it.
5:37 Speaker 02 Yes, but I think why it works, cause so many people are, people are probably like, that's so insane that you need this like external thing to just like not open the app. But here's the thing, I go to open Instagram and if it's, my phone is like bricked, then yeah, I could go and un-brick it. But then I have to like, it's like, you have to do another step to do it. You know what I mean? So it almost makes you think twice. Like, do I really want to like open Instagram right now?
6:03 Speaker 01 Yes.
6:04 Speaker 02 No, not always. And so I do it before bed and I also started needle pointing. And guess what the fuck my average screen time was last week?
6:14 Speaker 01 What's it usually?
6:16 Speaker 02 10 to 12 hours a day.
6:18 Speaker 01 Okay. And what was it last week?
6:21 Speaker 02 7 hours and 53 minutes a day. Thank you.
6:26 Speaker 01 Wow.
6:26 Speaker 02 That is really good for me.
6:28 Speaker 01 Seven hours?
6:28 Speaker 02 Seven hours.
6:30 Speaker 01 What have you been thinking? What's been going on up there?
6:32 Speaker 02 I don't know. Like, I, I just, I think the needle pointing plus the brick. Cause I'm not doom scrolling in bed. I think that that is like a huge game changer.
6:43 Speaker 01 No, we're doom scrolling.
6:43 Speaker 02 I'm not doom scrolling. Cause scrolling in bed, like, that's when I'm like, I gotta read. I gotta do something else.
6:49 Speaker 01 I really wanna read Lena Dunham's new book, Fame Sick.
6:52 Speaker 02 Okay.
6:53 Speaker 01 I'm like very interested in, in, like, I like-
6:56 Speaker 02 Is it a memoir?
6:57 Speaker 01 I think it's a memoir. I'm very invested in it. And I really, that's my next read.
7:02 Speaker 02 Okay.
7:02 Speaker 01 I really wanna read it.
7:04 Speaker 02 I am going to read, um, one of Eleanor's favorite books that I've been meaning to read for years. It's called Rules of Civility. Have you read it? I know, it's her favorite book.
7:14 Speaker 01 What's it about?
7:15 Speaker 02 And she sent it to me last year when I got my boob reduction and I didn't read it.
7:18 Speaker 01 What's it about?
7:21 Speaker 02 Um, it's about these two best friends in the 40s living in New York City.
7:24 Speaker 01 Ooh, love that. Ooh, love that. Ooh.
7:26 Speaker 02 And it's like fabulous and like-
7:27 Speaker 01 Is it good?
7:27 Speaker 02 And like society and- Yeah.
7:29 Speaker 01 High society?
7:30 Speaker 02 Yeah. So, anyway, so that, and then also, um, I've been listening to podcasts again, another way to get off my phone when I go on my walks. I'm listening to podcasts, so I'm not scrolling. And I've been listening to Crime Junkie again, which you remember, I was like, that was my fave in college. And Ashley Flowers, the host, has written, like, two different, um, books, like, that are fiction, but apparently they're amazing.
7:52 Speaker 01 Ooh, okay.
7:52 Speaker 02 So I'm gonna read those two.
7:53 Speaker 01 Okay, well, we are strapped for time.
7:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, sorry, sorry.
7:58 Speaker 01 So I'm so sorry that we have to cut this so short so early, but I love you, B.
8:03 Speaker 02 I love you so much. Have a great recording.
8:04 Speaker 01 I'm so proud of you on the marathon.
8:06 Speaker 02 Oh, thank you.
8:07 Speaker 01 And we should probably start planning summer stuff. Oh, and tonight on Therapists, we have Mao Pion.
8:13 Speaker 02 My cousin's a huge fan.
8:14 Speaker 01 He's amazing. He's amazing.
8:16 Speaker 02 I'm so excited to watch this episode.
8:17 Speaker 01 It's one of my favorite episodes I think I've ever, ever, ever, ever recorded. Have you seen any of it?
8:21 Speaker 02 No.
8:22 Speaker 01 I'll play it for you later.
8:23 Speaker 02 I can't wait.
8:23 Speaker 01 It is, it was one of a kind.
8:25 Speaker 02 Okay, love. Shout out Grace.
8:27 Speaker 01 What?
8:28 Speaker 02 Shout out Grace.
8:29 Speaker 01 Shout out Grace. Is that your cousin?
8:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, big fan.
8:31 Speaker 01 Okay, love you.
8:32 Speaker 02 Love you, love you.
8:32 Speaker 01 Love you.
8:33 Speaker 02 Bye.
8:36 Speaker 01 So funny, you said you like my shoes because I like, I got them for my birthday. Do you wanna take a guess when my birthday is?
8:42 Speaker 03 Twenty-sixth of January.
8:44 Speaker 01 Twenty-seventh of October.
8:46 Speaker 03 Ooh.
8:47 Speaker 01 And yours is?
8:48 Speaker 03 Twenty-sixth of October. No way, but that's a while ago.
8:52 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
8:53 Speaker 03 And they still look really nice, like you haven't even worn them.
8:57 Speaker 01 Thank you.
8:58 Speaker 03 Have you?
8:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, around town.
9:01 Speaker 03 They're like suede and everything, they're like, they look fresh out the box.
9:04 Speaker 01 Oh, you know, you're knowing. Oh, so what do you want me to call you? You want me to call you Mao or Mao? Okay.
9:08 Speaker 03 What, what else were you gonna say?
9:10 Speaker 01 Like your, your birth name?
9:12 Speaker 03 Uh, Maurits, M A U R I T S.
9:16 Speaker 01 Do you love Amsterdam?
9:17 Speaker 03 Uh, yes, very much, but just like lately, the weather has not been great and like I get very affected by the weather, so.
9:25 Speaker 01 Oh, Scorpio vibes.
9:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, and here it's so nice.
9:28 Speaker 01 You love LA?
9:29 Speaker 03 No, I hate LA, but the weather is nice.
9:32 Speaker 01 Where do you love?
9:34 Speaker 03 Uh, I really like Barcelona.
9:36 Speaker 01 I love Barcelona.
9:37 Speaker 03 Good.
9:38 Speaker 01 You wanna go?
9:40 Speaker 03 Do I wanna go?
9:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:41 Speaker 03 Um, right now?
9:45 Speaker 01 So I heard you were going back to Pacha, are you excited?
9:48 Speaker 03 Yes.
9:48 Speaker 01 Pacha, Pacha?
9:49 Speaker 03 Pacha.
9:50 Speaker 01 Pacha.
9:50 Speaker 03 The Spanish say Pacha.
9:52 Speaker 01 Pacha.
9:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, my girlfriend's Spanish.
9:54 Speaker 01 Where'd you meet her?
9:55 Speaker 03 Pacha.
9:56 Speaker 01 Did you really?
9:57 Speaker 03 Yes.
9:58 Speaker 01 So how'd you meet her?
9:59 Speaker 03 She is friends with my booking agent.
10:02 Speaker 01 Okay.
10:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:04 Speaker 01 Sometimes it's just as simple as that.
10:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:06 Speaker 01 Okay, so your first song that really took off was, is drugs from Amsterdam, no? So what's your favorite drug to do from Amsterdam?
10:14 Speaker 03 Ecstasy.
10:15 Speaker 01 Okay.
10:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:16 Speaker 01 You're an ecstasy guy?
10:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:18 Speaker 01 What's the difference between ecstasy and Molly?
10:21 Speaker 03 So ecstasy is like the pressed pill and Molly is the crystal.
10:25 Speaker 01 Is ecstasy from Amsterdam just like amazing?
10:28 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah, we're really good at making it, but lately they've been making it really strong. Like they just make it stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger and so.
10:36 Speaker 01 Why?
10:37 Speaker 03 Cause I guess with everything, people just crave more.
10:40 Speaker 01 You religious?
10:41 Speaker 03 Um, I like to believe.
10:44 Speaker 01 That's what I say too, you're so Scorpio, like that's what I say too.
10:49 Speaker 03 Are you toxic?
10:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, are you?
10:51 Speaker 03 No.
10:52 Speaker 01 Oh.
10:54 Speaker 01 Really? Not at all. There's not one thing that you could be like, "I'm toxic."
10:58 Speaker 03 Not really, no.
10:59 Speaker 01 Like, "I'm fucking crazy."
11:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:01 Speaker 01 Like, "I'm crazy." Like, and the thing is-
11:04 Speaker 03 With what, though? Like, what's, what's an example?
11:06 Speaker 01 What's an example, Louise?
11:08 Speaker 04 Um, I don't know if I would say "toxic" being the word.
11:13 Speaker 03 Enthusiastic is a word.
11:14 Speaker 04 But like, dramatic, maybe? Or like...
11:16 Speaker 03 That means you care about something.
11:18 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm. How do you like to celebrate your birthday, since we're like, almost birthday twins?
11:21 Speaker 03 I hate celebrating my birthday.
11:23 Speaker 01 I don't love celebrating my birthday either.
11:25 Speaker 03 No.
11:26 Speaker 01 Why don't you like celebrating your birthday?
11:28 Speaker 03 Cause, you know what I do love? I do love like, doing something for my friends and like, organizing something, but I don't want it to be about me.
11:34 Speaker 01 I don't like doing that.
11:35 Speaker 03 No?
11:36 Speaker 01 No. I like being invited to organized events that people have organized for my friends and celebrating them, but the putting my back into it, like, "Oh, I can't." Can you?
11:48 Speaker 03 I can think of something fun to do.
11:49 Speaker 01 I can think of something fun to do.
11:50 Speaker 03 We're on the same page with the birthday, I think.
11:53 Speaker 01 How old are you?
11:54 Speaker 03 Twenty-nine.
11:55 Speaker 01 Okay, fun vibes.
11:56 Speaker 03 You?
11:56 Speaker 01 Twen- guess?
11:58 Speaker 03 I could, I, I really have no idea.
12:01 Speaker 01 And how sad is that?
12:04 Speaker 03 You're like, I'm sorry, but you're like, one of those people, it could be like, really young, it could be like older.
12:11 Speaker 01 Like, what's the oldest? If I told you, you'd be like that. I get it, like-
12:15 Speaker 03 You want me to insult you?
12:16 Speaker 01 No, I'm not, I don't want you to insult me, but I want you to be honest. Like, I want you to be honest and tell me the oldest age you think.
12:23 Speaker 03 You look really young, that's the thing. But I'm like, I'm in a studio with you, you organized this, this is your podcast, obviously you've done well for yourself, and you're like, wise, and so there's something old in there. Right? But you look really young.
12:37 Speaker 01 So how old do you think I am?
12:39 Speaker 03 Twenty-three.
12:41 Speaker 01 I'm twenty-six, thank you so much.
12:42 Speaker 03 You're twenty-six?
12:43 Speaker 01 Yes, you walk-
12:43 Speaker 03 No, but see, that's crazy to me, cause I'm like, I'm twenty-nine and I still feel really young, but when I see people that are twenty-six and they've already done this much, I'm like, "Where did you find the time?" Cause I wa- I was not popping off at twenty-six, like you were.
12:56 Speaker 01 Yes, you were.
12:56 Speaker 03 No, I was not. I was absolutely not. I was in a mid, like, a quarter-life crisis.
13:00 Speaker 01 What did that look like for you?
13:02 Speaker 03 I was like, being stressed about getting older.
13:04 Speaker 01 Really?
13:05 Speaker 03 Cause I was like, "I have to do it, I have to make something of myself, blah, blah." And then, the Drugs from Amsterdam song game.
13:11 Speaker 01 And that came because you felt like no pressure, right?
13:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:14 Speaker 01 It's very pop girl of you. Sometimes like pop girls make their best albums when they feel like no pressure from society.
13:19 Speaker 03 It was just one song that wasn't like a whole album.
13:21 Speaker 01 And then you did the "Less I Know The Better" remix.
13:23 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
13:24 Speaker 01 And then, how long was that after "Drugs From Amsterdam"?
13:27 Speaker 03 Super long, like three years, I think.
13:29 Speaker 01 So did you feel like, well, I have to follow this up, I have to follow this up, I have to follow this up? Were you stressed?
13:32 Speaker 03 No, not really, not really. There wasn't really a lot of pressure because I had been making so much new music.
13:38 Speaker 01 Uh-huh.
13:38 Speaker 03 That I had a lot in the bag.
13:40 Speaker 01 Okay.
13:41 Speaker 03 To release that I was happy about.
13:43 Speaker 01 Have you ever been to the red light district?
13:44 Speaker 03 I mean, I've walked through it, but it's one of those things that for locals, it's like hell.
13:49 Speaker 01 So is it like Times Square for Amsterdam?
13:51 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly.
13:52 Speaker 01 Really?
13:53 Speaker 03 It's terrible.
13:53 Speaker 01 Okay.
13:54 Speaker 03 It's in more places though, like next to my house, there's like those lights as well. I, I, it's so, I don't even notice.
14:00 Speaker 01 Okay, question for you. My Harry Styles just released a song called "Dance No More". Do you think it's about you?
14:05 Speaker 03 It's definitely a diss track, yeah, in some way.
14:07 Speaker 01 You think it's about you?
14:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:08 Speaker 01 You really do?
14:09 Speaker 03 No.
14:10 Speaker 01 Have you heard the song? Oh my god.
14:13 Speaker 03 I haven't heard the song.
14:14 Speaker 01 He basically is like DJs don't dance no more. And then people think it's about like that one video that that girl made that was like DJs don't dance no more. So then during Coachella, when Mal P did his Coachella set, he like had this whole dance break and it was like a whole thing.
14:25 Speaker 03 Is there a world where like he actually didn't see that? And that was the inspiration?
14:31 Speaker 01 I think these people are a lot more online than you would think.
14:34 Speaker 03 Right?
14:35 Speaker 01 I think so. Are you online?
14:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, too much, way too much.
14:38 Speaker 01 Really?
14:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, I hate it.
14:39 Speaker 01 Okay.
14:40 Speaker 03 I hate my phone.
14:40 Speaker 01 Do you have like fellow DJ friends?
14:42 Speaker 03 There's some people that I like, but it's also, it all started with business. So it's like, it's hard for me to tell. Also, everyone's nice to me. So it's like, hard for me to tell.
14:50 Speaker 01 Has anyone ever been rude to you?
14:52 Speaker 03 Rude?
14:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, we can bleep it.
14:54 Speaker 03 Always, like a lot of people are rude, right? But it's like, I mean, people that know and want something from you and they're like, for example, with you, they're probably also like, oh. They know you have the show.
15:04 Speaker 01 I fucking wish.
15:05 Speaker 03 They're not?
15:06 Speaker 01 No, they're like nice, but like, I'm like, you could kiss ass a little harder, like, you know what I mean? Like, well, I would always appreciate it. Make me feel good.
15:15 Speaker 03 Maybe because you don't give that same energy to them?
15:18 Speaker 01 No, I kiss ass.
15:19 Speaker 03 Yeah? But would you eat ass?
15:23 Speaker 01 Would you?
15:24 Speaker 03 Regularly. Breakfast.
15:28 Speaker 01 Do you really?
15:29 Speaker 03 Why not? Yeah.
15:30 Speaker 01 Wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
15:33 Speaker 03 I'm taking over the whole show. I'm like, just diving into this right now.
15:36 Speaker 01 You like eating ass?
15:37 Speaker 03 You don't?
15:38 Speaker 01 Wait, not partic- oh my god, I'm gonna freak out. I'm gonna freak out. Not particularly. What do you like about it?
15:44 Speaker 03 I mean, we're talking about kissing ass, why not eat it?
15:48 Speaker 01 Okay, you know what? We're here. We're here. While I have you, I guess, like, do you like when someone eats your ass?
16:01 Speaker 03 No.
16:02 Speaker 01 Okay, so, why? I, okay, why?
16:09 Speaker 03 We got here very fast into this conversation.
16:11 Speaker 01 But that was you!
16:11 Speaker 03 I know, I know.
16:12 Speaker 01 That was you!
16:12 Speaker 03 Just sort of testing the waters.
16:13 Speaker 01 So you love to eat ass, but you don't like getting your ass eaten?
16:16 Speaker 03 I honestly haven't really seen much of this show, so I don't really know, like, what the nor-
16:21 Speaker 01 We don't really get here, but I'm so hap- can I tell you? Can I tell you? I am so happy to be here with you.
16:28 Speaker 03 Perfect.
16:31 Speaker 03 So what's next?
16:33 Speaker 01 Wow, I can't believe that about you.
16:35 Speaker 03 Why not? It sort of makes sense, though.
16:37 Speaker 01 Like, what, how would that make sense?
16:39 Speaker 03 Like, you can't tell I'm a little weird or something?
16:41 Speaker 01 I don't know. I'm like blushing now. I like, we need to move on. We need to move-
16:45 Speaker 03 Move on!
16:47 Speaker 01 Okay, okay, I'm moving on, moving on.
16:49 Speaker 03 I like that lamp, by the way.
16:50 Speaker 01 What do you like about it?
16:51 Speaker 03 It looks like a sex toy.
16:56 Speaker 03 Look at it! Did you choose that lamp?
16:59 Speaker 01 Do you like anal beads?
17:00 Speaker 03 Did, no. Did you choose that lamp?
17:03 Speaker 01 No, I didn't choose that lamp, but I guess it does look like a sex toy. A little dusty right now.
17:09 Speaker 03 Is this mine, the water, by the way?
17:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, do you wanna drink some water?
17:12 Speaker 03 Unbranded?
17:14 Speaker 01 I mean, usually we keep it branded, but I guess someone took off the branding today. Was that you?
17:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, just switching things up.
17:19 Speaker 01 You're just switching things up. I really would like to come to one of your shows. You know, I've never seen you live.
17:23 Speaker 03 Really?
17:23 Speaker 01 No, and I really wanna come. I missed the Coachella Mal P dance break.
17:27 Speaker 03 Damn. And someone told me you're a fan.
17:30 Speaker 01 I am a fan!
17:32 Speaker 03 Okay, cool.
17:33 Speaker 01 I love drugs in Amsterdam.
17:34 Speaker 03 Cause there might be-
17:35 Speaker 01 From Amsterdam.
17:36 Speaker 03 There might be a situation where I'm like DJing and I don't even play those songs that you like so much.
17:40 Speaker 01 Well, that would suck for me.
17:43 Speaker 03 What if it didn't?
17:44 Speaker 01 Like, what songs would you play?
17:46 Speaker 03 It's not about the separate songs.
17:48 Speaker 01 Do you live mix?
17:49 Speaker 03 Of course, but like, I would take you on a journey.
17:52 Speaker 01 Oh, okay.
17:53 Speaker 03 You know?
17:53 Speaker 01 Okay, so you know what I want to do?
17:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:55 Speaker 01 I want to go to your set, and I want you to take me on a fucking journey.
17:59 Speaker 03 That's done.
18:01 Speaker 01 Like, how late do you party?
18:04 Speaker 03 I play for eight hours.
18:05 Speaker 01 So like, what?
18:06 Speaker 03 Ten hours.
18:07 Speaker 01 So what time would it end, like, seven?
18:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, and then if you like, find CDJs and a mixer somewhere, you can just go to someone's house.
18:15 Speaker 01 Where can we do this?
18:16 Speaker 03 Your house?
18:17 Speaker 01 L.A. is not made for that. Like, where can we do this realistically? Like, should I come to Pasha?
18:21 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, for sure. But you're more than welcome anywhere. Yeah.
18:27 Speaker 01 Thank you.
18:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:28 Speaker 01 Okay, so, what's your tour schedule like? Because I would like to just like, point it out in my head right now really quickly.
18:34 Speaker 03 Um...
18:36 Speaker 01 I love your hair.
18:37 Speaker 03 Thank you. Underneath the hat?
18:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, I keep staring at it.
18:41 Speaker 03 It's nice, I just got it redone.
18:42 Speaker 01 Really? I need a fucking haircut. I need a haircut.
18:44 Speaker 03 No, I mean, I got it bleached again.
18:45 Speaker 01 Oh, you did?
18:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, because it was like...
18:47 Speaker 01 What's your natural hair color?
18:48 Speaker 03 Brown?
18:49 Speaker 01 Okay.
18:50 Speaker 03 Brunette?
18:51 Speaker 01 Okay. Okay.
18:52 Speaker 03 Why?
18:53 Speaker 01 I don't know.
18:54 Speaker 03 What?
18:59 Speaker 01 Okay, so what is your show schedule coming up look like?
19:01 Speaker 03 Coming up, the next show is San Francisco.
19:04 Speaker 01 I hate San Francisco.
19:06 Speaker 03 Really? Why?
19:06 Speaker 01 I hate it.
19:07 Speaker 03 I don't have anything I love about it, to be honest.
19:09 Speaker 01 When the fuck are you going to Vegas?
19:11 Speaker 03 Saturday.
19:12 Speaker 01 This Saturday?
19:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:13 Speaker 04 No, the Friday.
19:15 Speaker 01 This Friday?
19:16 Speaker 03 Friday.
19:16 Speaker 04 No one will be there.
19:18 Speaker 01 Shut up!
19:19 Speaker 03 When?
19:19 Speaker 01 Shut up!
19:20 Speaker 04 In May.
19:21 Speaker 03 Oh, in May, okay.
19:24 Speaker 03 How'd you find that so quick?
19:25 Speaker 04 I'm on your website.
19:26 Speaker 03 I have a website?
19:27 Speaker 01 Okay, so, I am the Chief Creative Officer of Katches Gummies. Katches is yes.
19:34 Speaker 03 What, what, what?
19:35 Speaker 01 Katches is yes. So I'm the Chief Creative Officer of these gummies, and we are going to the Sweets and Snacks Expo.
19:42 Speaker 03 That is Dutch, but it's a Dutch word. I know those from growing up. Katches. It means little cats. You're what for this?
19:51 Speaker 03 You're the CEO of this.
19:53 Speaker 01 CCO.
19:54 Speaker 03 You're the C- CO of my whole youth?
19:57 Speaker 01 Guys, uh, do you want some?
20:00 Speaker 03 Absolutely.
20:01 Speaker 01 Okay.
20:01 Speaker 03 Are they vegan now?
20:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're vegan. Do you want sour? Do you want, uh, foamy?
20:06 Speaker 03 Foamy.
20:08 Speaker 03 These are exactly what I hoped it would still be. That's amazing.
20:13 Speaker 01 My best friend Peyton's gonna freak out.
20:14 Speaker 03 Congratulations.
20:16 Speaker 01 Thank you.
20:18 Speaker 05 Get him banned.
20:21 Speaker 01 Okay, wait, oh my god, you're with Sally, perfect. So I'm with Mal, say hi. Hi. Guess the fuck what?
20:32 Speaker 01 That Friday, we're gonna be at Sweets and Snacks Expo in Vegas, he's performing.
20:36 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, I'm coming. Hi, we're bringing cactus on stage. I wanna do that. Hi, Mal, my favorite performance of all time was your Coachella set.
20:44 Speaker 03 Can I see these people?
20:47 Speaker 05 Hey.
20:47 Speaker 03 Hey, what's up?
20:48 Speaker 05 Hey, I like your star sweater.
20:50 Speaker 03 Thank you.
20:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, they went to your Coachella set.
20:53 Speaker 05 The most electric time of my life.
20:55 Speaker 03 Awesome. That means a lot to me, thank you.
20:57 Speaker 01 Okay, well, we're gonna have it again in Vegas.
21:00 Speaker 05 Love you.
21:01 Speaker 01 Have you heard about Get Him Banned?
21:03 Speaker 03 About what, sorry?
21:04 Speaker 01 Get Him Banned.
21:05 Speaker 03 Get On Banned?
21:05 Speaker 01 Get Him Banned, we don't do that here. You haven't heard about this?
21:10 Speaker 03 Get Him Bent?
21:10 Speaker 01 Get Him Banned.
21:11 Speaker 03 Banned. From what?
21:13 Speaker 01 Uh, Peloton class.
21:16 Speaker 03 What's Peloton?
21:17 Speaker 01 Get Him B- It's a, it's a virtual spin class and somebody joined the class with the name Pedal, like, you're pedaling?
21:24 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
21:24 Speaker 01 File? And the woman, Kendall, said, whoever just joined that class with that username, get him banned. We don't do that here. Oh, now I'm pissed. Flat, rode ahead, no disrespect.
21:39 Speaker 03 That's what she said?
21:41 Speaker 01 I'm not the one, baby, yeah. Almost like verbatim is what she's-
21:44 Speaker 03 She had some spice to her.
21:46 Speaker 01 Oh, now I'm pissed. That's what, that's what we've been saying. Wait, I'm so excited for Vegas. Are you so excited for Vegas? Oh my god, I can't wait, I literally can't wait.
21:52 Speaker 03 I just got from Vegas and I'm going there again Saturday, so it's like a lot-
21:56 Speaker 01 Yes, but now that you know, like, oh my god-
21:58 Speaker 03 Now that you know that you guys are coming, it's a whole different situation.
22:01 Speaker 01 Do you smoke weed? Do you wanna smoke?
22:05 Speaker 03 Can I?
22:06 Speaker 01 Should we?
22:06 Speaker 03 I was actually, I brought some.
22:09 Speaker 01 Done, bring it out. Oh my god, I'm so excited. Okay, do you have a little, like, an ashtray, Lulu?
22:16 Speaker 04 Uh, yeah, there's one actually. Is there not an ashtray in this set?
22:20 Speaker 01 There is a.
22:23 Speaker 01 Oh.
22:30 Speaker 01 I'm so excited. Wow. No.
22:33 Speaker 04 No.
22:35 Speaker 01 Wow, it smells good.
22:41 Speaker 01 Are you having fun with me?
22:43 Speaker 03 Am I having what?
22:43 Speaker 01 Fun with me?
22:44 Speaker 03 So much.
22:45 Speaker 01 I like, low-key feel like we're gonna be friends.
22:47 Speaker 03 Weren't we already, sort of spiritually?
22:50 Speaker 01 Stop, that is so Scorpio of you both then.
22:53 Speaker 03 Are you spiritual?
22:56 Speaker 01 When it comes to, like, stuff about myself.
22:57 Speaker 03 Are you religious?
22:59 Speaker 01 Um, when it...
23:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, I guess.
23:03 Speaker 03 Cause I mean, I said I like to believe.
23:05 Speaker 01 I like to believe, I'm very OCD, so I believe there's a higher power telling me this, that, and the third.
23:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, but actually, right?
23:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, but actually.
23:14 Speaker 03 Yeah. But then, is that spiritual also?
23:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think that's spiritual. How are you spiritual?
23:19 Speaker 03 I don't really know about the signs and everything.
23:21 Speaker 01 But you're a Scorpio.
23:22 Speaker 03 Yeah, but like, so I'm not like, ooh, I'm a Scorpio, so that's why I do this and this and that. I'm more like, ooh, I feel there's a certain energy about this person that I don't like, or there is, or I just, like, am genuinely attracted towards something and I'll just go do it.
23:38 Speaker 01 Right.
23:39 Speaker 03 You know? Your actual name is Jake, therapist Shane? The third?
23:47 Speaker 01 Jacob.
23:48 Speaker 03 Jacob? What's?
23:50 Speaker 01 I'm done if you're, done.
23:52 Speaker 03 Where does the therapist come from?
23:55 Speaker 03 Therapy?
24:00 Speaker 01 Okay.
24:04 Speaker 03 Oh, you did the fan for the.
24:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, do you want water?
24:08 Speaker 01 I feel good.
24:09 Speaker 03 I'll just stop because you stopped.
24:11 Speaker 01 Oh, okay. But you could keep going, huh?
24:14 Speaker 03 I just want to stay on the same level.
24:16 Speaker 01 Me too. Can we keep the joint there or should we move it out of frame? Move it out of frame. Okay, here, Lulu. You love that jacket.
24:24 Speaker 04 So I actually have two that look the exact same. I knew you were gonna say that today.
24:28 Speaker 01 What? Did you really?
24:30 Speaker 04 I thought to myself, well, I've got to clarify, I've got two.
24:32 Speaker 03 It's really nice.
24:34 Speaker 04 Thank you.
24:34 Speaker 03 Who made it?
24:35 Speaker 04 Bottega.
24:36 Speaker 03 Can I see the back again?
24:38 Speaker 01 She said Bottega.
24:39 Speaker 03 That's cool. You can't really tell it's Bottega, to be honest.
24:43 Speaker 04 Exactly.
24:44 Speaker 01 That's what she likes. She says, I'm so tacky. Like, I love, I want the label. I want, like, if I'm about to spend money, like, please, like, know that I spent this money.
24:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:55 Speaker 01 Does shopping make you feel better?
24:56 Speaker 03 Yes.
24:57 Speaker 01 Me too.
24:58 Speaker 03 Absolutely.
24:58 Speaker 01 Me too.
24:59 Speaker 03 Oh, my god.
25:00 Speaker 01 Why does it make us feel so much better, do you think?
25:02 Speaker 03 Retail therapy.
25:03 Speaker 01 But why?
25:04 Speaker 03 Because I think
25:09 Speaker 03 you sort of obtain an object with money that you worked for. So it's sort of the payoff for working, really. The payoff isn't getting money. The payoff is buying shit. Like, right? Right? That's what I think.
25:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense.
25:25 Speaker 03 Why are you doing this podcast? Like, is it?
25:31 Speaker 01 I don't know.
25:35 Speaker 03 No, but like.
25:36 Speaker 01 I really don't know how we got here. I like.
25:40 Speaker 03 It's awesome, but like, it's like, it's like, money, is money part of the motivation?
25:44 Speaker 01 No, this podcast didn't start out with the motivation for money. I was putting money in. Because it's, this is independent. Like, yeah, it's published with Netflix, but like, I own. I own this podcast.
25:58 Speaker 03 Awesome.
26:00 Speaker 03 But what, what were you doing before this? You were in theater, acting?
26:06 Speaker 01 Wait, you really thought that?
26:08 Speaker 03 You weren't?
26:09 Speaker 01 You really thought that? Like, you thought this kid was like a theater actor, like, all his life, like?
26:14 Speaker 03 I was pretty sure you were. If you're telling me you're not, then I'm like.
26:18 Speaker 01 Why? Is it because you think I'm a good actor? Is that why? Or you're just like, you would be like so dramatic?
26:25 Speaker 03 I chat GPT'd your name.
26:32 Speaker 03 Honestly, the computers have something wrong then. And I've been fed information that's...
26:37 Speaker 01 No, someone at ChatGPT is on my side. Someone at ChatGPT is on...
26:42 Speaker 03 Oh, you like it?
26:43 Speaker 01 Yes, imagine if it said Jake was just Jake. Wait, I don't know what I'd wanted to say. You know what I'm trying to say.
26:52 Speaker 03 It was very focused on acting.
26:54 Speaker 01 You are behind us somehow.
26:58 Speaker 03 But you've never acted?
27:00 Speaker 01 No, I have acted. But that's just so funny. But I guess now I am. I did Broadway.
27:08 Speaker 03 There you go. But that's exactly what I was saying.
27:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, sorry. That really tickled me. I'm so happy ChatGPT says that about me, to be honest. I was a theater kid, kind of. Like, I did my sixth grade play, my eighth grade play, my 12th grade play. How did I get here, you ask?
27:27 Speaker 03 No, I was saying, what were you doing before this?
27:29 Speaker 01 Oh, I worked at... Oh! I worked at a record label.
27:32 Speaker 03 Amazing. Which one?
27:34 Speaker 01 It was 10K. I think it's still 10K Projects. I worked at 10K Projects.
27:38 Speaker 03 And that's based where?
27:39 Speaker 01 It was independent, but now it's with Warner.
27:43 Speaker 03 But you were in LA?
27:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was based in LA. But I worked in international marketing for a little. So I would see song data.
27:51 Speaker 03 Cool.
27:51 Speaker 01 And where the label knew where to put the money to promote the song.
27:56 Speaker 03 Right.
27:56 Speaker 01 Based on where it was doing well internationally. So I remember I got to go to London for it once, and it was so cool. It was my first time in London.
28:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, you like London?
28:04 Speaker 01 I love London.
28:06 Speaker 03 You have to show me...
28:07 Speaker 01 You don't like London?
28:08 Speaker 03 I haven't had that insane experience that you have in a certain city yet in London.
28:14 Speaker 01 I just think it's so... I feel so cunt and chic. Like, I'm Jim in London.
28:20 Speaker 03 Yeah?
28:20 Speaker 01 Everyone's so much chic there. Everyone's like... I don't know.
28:25 Speaker 03 Maybe I go to the wrong parts or something.
28:26 Speaker 01 No, I think you go to the right parts. Where do you go?
28:30 Speaker 03 I don't know. I've just been doing shows there.
28:31 Speaker 01 Where's your favorite rave scene?
28:33 Speaker 03 I really like South America.
28:35 Speaker 01 Is it just like, fuck it vibes?
28:38 Speaker 03 They just dance a lot.
28:41 Speaker 01 Where? Where in South America?
28:43 Speaker 03 Everywhere.
28:43 Speaker 01 Brazil?
28:45 Speaker 03 Well, definitely, but like also Argentina. And in Argentina, they have their own dance. It's called the Argentinian Wiggle. And all they do for hours.
28:54 Speaker 01 Can you do that?
28:55 Speaker 03 They just go like this. In groups, but then they look at each other. They don't even look at me. I look at the crowd. It's just groups of people like wiggling together, but they have so much fun.
29:05 Speaker 01 I'm so high right now that I keep thinking Nolan is holding up like that clipboard. I feel like you're holding up like a dry erase board. Like that is what I keep. Where did you get this weed from?
29:18 Speaker 03 What's on it?
29:20 Speaker 01 No, I nothing. I'm hallucinating is what I'm trying to say.
29:24 Speaker 03 Oh, we have a script?
29:26 Speaker 01 No, we don't have a script.
29:27 Speaker 03 Am I in like the Truman Show or? Where's the way out?
29:33 Speaker 01 Are you having fun?
29:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:35 Speaker 01 I'm actually having fun with you, but now I'm so insecure that you're not having fun with me because I'm high.
29:39 Speaker 03 What do you mean? Are you having one of those? Everyone's looking at me?
29:42 Speaker 01 Yes.
29:44 Speaker 03 Come on.
29:46 Speaker 01 Okay.
29:46 Speaker 03 No.
29:47 Speaker 01 Okay.
29:47 Speaker 03 This is a safe space and this is not even, this is your house, by the way.
29:51 Speaker 01 I know. Do you like?
29:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, I've seen a little bit of the inside. Are you a Swifty?
29:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, biggest of all time, ever. She's my everything.
29:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:59 Speaker 01 Have you ever remixed one of her songs?
30:01 Speaker 03 No, I have not. I also haven't been asked to.
30:05 Speaker 01 No, but you can like do, like not to like. Like, I don't know if you could officially release it as like your own track, but like you could remix a Taylor Swift song.
30:15 Speaker 03 She's doing dance music remixes now.
30:17 Speaker 01 Put your hat, put your fucking name on the hat.
30:19 Speaker 03 I'm, I honestly don't deserve that. I'm like not.
30:21 Speaker 01 Oh my God, why do you think that about yourself? I think you are so talented and can make a really great remix of one of her songs.
30:26 Speaker 03 I don't know a lot about her, so I'm like.
30:28 Speaker 01 Tell you about her?
30:29 Speaker 03 Yes, please.
30:30 Speaker 01 Okay, what would you like to know?
30:32 Speaker 03 Um, what's her, what's her demographic mostly?
30:38 Speaker 01 So the beauty about her is.
30:40 Speaker 03 It's for everyone.
30:40 Speaker 01 It's really for everyone, like.
30:42 Speaker 03 It's like young and old.
30:44 Speaker 01 Yes, and like, oh my God, like. Once you get it, you fucking get it. Like, there's like no way if ants or butts about it. Like, she'll do something that like, like, tracks back to 2012.
30:59 Speaker 03 Right.
30:59 Speaker 01 And like, it, and it's just like-
31:01 Speaker 03 It's like watching a really good show.
31:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, I guess. But it's beautiful because you can listen to it again and again and again and again. And then you can apply it to your life because it is like so universal, those stuff she talks about. And you wouldn't expect someone of her, um, celebrity and stature to like, talk about these things still. And she does. And like, really doesn't, like, yes, she'll say like, like, public perception affects her. But like, she's still her through it all. Do you know what I mean?
31:31 Speaker 03 It's a really good explanation. No one's ever told me about Taylor Swift like that.
31:34 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
31:34 Speaker 03 And I never understood.
31:35 Speaker 01 I, and I always go deep in with people when I introduce them to her. I'm always like, here is daylight. But in order for them to understand daylight, they need to listen to Red. And like, they need to know the journey that it's led to get to daylight.
31:47 Speaker 03 Wow.
31:48 Speaker 01 Oh.
31:48 Speaker 03 You're insanely passionate about this.
31:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, I really am. Like, she's really that girl. Like, I don't know what to say. Like, she really is that girl.
31:55 Speaker 03 Is there another thing that you're like this level of passionate about? That's not Taylor Swift?
31:59 Speaker 01 My heart's like fucking racing, holy shit.
32:03 Speaker 01 I need like five seconds. Because like, I can't, like, once you get me going, like, I used to write essays about her songs, like-
32:10 Speaker 03 Awesome.
32:11 Speaker 01 Like, I, oh my-
32:12 Speaker 03 I used to do that about this soccer player called Ronaldinho. He's from Brazil.
32:17 Speaker 01 What do you love about Ronaldinho?
32:19 Speaker 03 Well, like, right now, it was more of like a thing when I was like a kid. When I still played soccer and everything, it was just, I don't know, he was the best soccer player of the whole world. And he looked awesome. He had awesome hair. He always did like a thing with his hand. He had like his signature moves. He did like tricks that no one else could do. So I wrote like school essays about Brazil and Ronaldinho.
32:40 Speaker 01 What do you think connects all that passion? From like-
32:43 Speaker 03 To what?
32:43 Speaker 01 From soccer players to singers?
32:45 Speaker 03 Oh, I think it's mystique. I think you, like, I don't know everything about Ronaldinho.
32:50 Speaker 01 Okay.
32:52 Speaker 03 And I think today with like artists, I think about this a lot. So like DJs and artists, people that make music that are famous, they're not really, they don't have that mystique anymore. Cause they're like chronically online.
33:07 Speaker 01 So do you think people are holding on to the fact that Taylor Swift will always have this mystique about her yet is still so honest? Yes, absolutely.
33:14 Speaker 03 But does she feel approachable?
33:16 Speaker 01 Yes. No, no, I would never like bother her in public.
33:20 Speaker 03 But like you can relate to her?
33:23 Speaker 01 I guess I can. God, like I felt so seen by her the other day. Like I was really down. I was down bad. I was down really bad about something and like there were her whole tortured poets department really got me through it. Because in tortured poets, she like, it like had a public three month situationship and that's clearly what this is about. And so I'm like, oh, okay. Like I feel validated. Like you can love this intensely and like, there can be music set to it to make it a little less sucky.
34:00 Speaker 03 It's real.
34:00 Speaker 01 It's yeah. Like I would listen to down bad at the gym and be like, now, like now I'm down. I lived it out of moment where I was like, I, I am, I'm, I'm literally this lyric epitomized. This is how I feel right now.
34:17 Speaker 03 Down bad.
34:18 Speaker 01 Are you having fun?
34:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:20 Speaker 01 Are you having fun? Like how much, scale one to 10?
34:24 Speaker 04 I would say like an eight, seven.
34:26 Speaker 03 Ooh.
34:27 Speaker 01 Eight point seven?
34:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
34:28 Speaker 01 Whoa.
34:29 Speaker 03 What's the missing 1.3?
34:31 Speaker 01 Well, we're gonna find, we're gonna, we're gonna find it.
34:34 Speaker 03 Does she wanna smoke weed?
34:35 Speaker 04 No.
34:38 Speaker 01 I would, she's like.
34:41 Speaker 03 Are you guys best friends?
34:42 Speaker 01 It, yes.
34:43 Speaker 03 You look like.
34:45 Speaker 03 Exactly.
34:46 Speaker 01 But we are like best coworker friends. Like Louise has boundaries. Louise has boundaries and it's really like been such a beaut, no, but it's been such a beautiful. No, no, she's just like, like is really good at separating her work life and her personal life, but like still maintaining a really beautiful and honest relationship with me.
35:05 Speaker 04 Wow.
35:06 Speaker 01 Like that is how I feel about you.
35:07 Speaker 03 And that's hard.
35:08 Speaker 01 Like she, oh my God, I love you so much. I'm so grateful for you. I like, don't know what I would do without you. Wow, isn't that beautiful? I have like full body chills and like wiggles.
35:22 Speaker 03 That is beautiful.
35:23 Speaker 01 Okay, anywho, what were we talking about? Oh.
35:25 Speaker 03 No, about you guys, but have you guys known each other for a long time?
35:28 Speaker 01 We used to work together.
35:29 Speaker 03 Where?
35:29 Speaker 01 Uh, 10K Projects, she worked at Homemade Projects.
35:32 Speaker 03 You were at the label too.
35:32 Speaker 01 Homemade Projects was a joint venture with 10K Projects, so we all like kinda worked together.
35:37 Speaker 03 What kind of music was it?
35:38 Speaker 01 Uh, Trippy Redd.
35:40 Speaker 03 No way.
35:40 Speaker 01 Ian Dior, um.
35:43 Speaker 03 Everything rap?
35:43 Speaker 01 Ice Spice.
35:45 Speaker 03 All rap.
35:46 Speaker 01 Between Friends.
35:48 Speaker 03 Are you passionate about music like that?
35:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, very much so. It's like probably my favorite thing in the world. My favorite thing in the world is what they would call a needle drop. So like in a movie or a television, have you seen Mr. Robot?
36:03 Speaker 03 The series?
36:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:04 Speaker 03 Yes.
36:05 Speaker 01 The whole thing?
36:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:10 Speaker 03 With, uh, what's his name?
36:12 Speaker 01 Yes.
36:13 Speaker 03 Who plays, uh.
36:14 Speaker 01 I know, we were just about to get somewhere and I'm so sorry, but in that moment, I felt like, holy shit. He's about to tell me, I know that he wa- has watched Mr. Robot. Dylan, Dylan Minette put me on, it is the best show I've ever seen in my entire life.
36:30 Speaker 03 I watched it so long ago.
36:31 Speaker 01 Okay, so do you remember the ending?
36:34 Speaker 03 No. It was so long ago.
36:36 Speaker 01 Uh, there was just a really good music moment in the show and that's why it came to mind.
36:40 Speaker 03 Oh, right. I just watched A Star is Born.
36:44 Speaker 01 And isn't it great?
36:47 Speaker 03 No, but like music wise too.
36:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, but like, don't you love a good needle drop is what I was trying to say. I should never smoke weed again. Don't you love a good needle drop?
36:56 Speaker 03 What does that mean? What does that mean?
36:57 Speaker 01 Oh, okay, great. So, needle drop in music?
37:03 Speaker 01 Is, or television is like-
37:05 Speaker 03 When it queues.
37:06 Speaker 01 When it queues.
37:06 Speaker 03 Right, okay.
37:08 Speaker 01 What? Like, I like, they play it behind a, like, a moment, and it makes the moment so much more intense. Like, a really famous one would be, um, Breathe Me and Six Feet Under, Dancing on My Own and Girls. Like, what I was gonna tr- Back to Mr. Robot, they did, um, outro by I made three for the final song, and, ugh, kills me.
37:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's crazy.
37:33 Speaker 01 Kills me. Have you seen Mr. Robot? No. Who's the main character? Rami Malek. What's his character's name?
37:39 Speaker 03 Did you say Elliot?
37:39 Speaker 01 Hello Elliot, yes, Elliot, sorry. Elliot. Sorry, I was-
37:46 Speaker 03 You're having a conversation with yourself here.
37:51 Speaker 03 Should I take over?
37:53 Speaker 04 No, but, oh my god, this is why I said don't do it.
37:56 Speaker 01 Oh.
38:03 Speaker 03 Wasn't that crazy? It was okay, you're doing fine.
38:06 Speaker 01 What, what, I was trying to remember the name of the last episode, because I knew the episode had his name in it, so if I remembered the last episode, I would remember the name.
38:18 Speaker 03 And did you?
38:18 Speaker 01 Yes.
38:19 Speaker 03 What's the name?
38:20 Speaker 01 Elliot.
38:20 Speaker 03 Okay, good. Just checking if you're still here.
38:25 Speaker 04 So what are you there pissed about?
38:38 Speaker 03 I feel like we need to smoke more weed, though.
38:56 Speaker 01 So what are you therapists about today?
38:59 Speaker 03 Just today.
39:00 Speaker 01 Today, I can tell you what I'm therapist about.
39:02 Speaker 03 Tell me.
39:02 Speaker 01 I don't have a show that I'm watching right now that I, well, yes, I do. So, I guess I'm not mad about that.
39:11 Speaker 03 That's the only thing you're pissed about in your life? Can't be. There's no way.
39:17 Speaker 01 Okay, today I was really angry. Because [BLEEP] called me about something. And I felt so insecure already, like I just, I felt very insecure, I was feeling down. And I, the thing in a weird, sick way, should not have made me more insecure. But I, God knows what it triggered inside of me. Because it made me really sad and really upset. And I couldn't get out of it.
39:46 Speaker 03 So you're pissed that you were sad?
39:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, not sad, just like frustrated.
39:51 Speaker 03 Right.
39:51 Speaker 01 And like I, like sometimes like, you know, when you wanna move a mountain, but you can't? That's like how I felt today. And that's what I was therapist about. But smoking has honestly helped me get over it, like.
40:03 Speaker 03 Good.
40:03 Speaker 01 I have so many people around me that love me, like, life is so beautiful, what we do is so special, and like, I need to be grateful, and I think I'm just unconfident in myself.
40:14 Speaker 03 That was crazy, that was so fast.
40:15 Speaker 01 I think I'm just like unconfident in myself, I'm trying to be online less. Um, but it's hard because being online is my job. What are you therapist?
40:24 Speaker 03 See, I have the same thing.
40:25 Speaker 01 What, are you therapist about that as well?
40:27 Speaker 03 Always.
40:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:28 Speaker 03 Cause it's like, it's not a, it's not a real world or something out there, you know, it's like.
40:35 Speaker 01 To me, it feels real.
40:37 Speaker 03 At the same time, it's like.
40:46 Speaker 03 It's like, they make it so addictive.
40:48 Speaker 01 It's so addictive.
40:49 Speaker 03 You just keep going forever. But then at the same time, I see also a lot of things that I like on there. And then I'm like, am I gonna miss out if I don't have my phone? Because sometimes I see something that really inspires me. Or like, a piece of clothing that I want. Or just an artist that I didn't know about, or whatever. But then, you also get five really shitty videos in return that just show you nothing. And it's just gonna like, melt your brain for a second.
41:14 Speaker 01 It's like a legit drug. I think like when they do the base trials for like, literal, uh, social media addictiveness. Like, I think it's a legit addiction, right? Like, it has to be.
41:26 Speaker 03 100%.
41:27 Speaker 01 Like, in a hundred years, like, they will consider that like, oh, you're an addict. Do you think so? Oh my god, I'm just like, unlocking, like, that felt, you know what I mean?
41:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, Epiphany.
41:39 Speaker 01 Yes, there was a song called Epiphany.
41:40 Speaker 03 Taylor?
41:41 Speaker 01 Yep, and it's really, really moving.
41:45 Speaker 03 Like, all of the other songs?
41:46 Speaker 01 You wanna know what song I think you would like?
41:49 Speaker 03 Tell me.
41:49 Speaker 01 It's called "Peace."
41:51 Speaker 03 "Peace"?
41:52 Speaker 01 And, it's about her then-boyfriend, Joe Alwyn, or like, or maybe it's not, I don't know, up to interpretation. But, basically, in the song, she is like saying to her lover, like, would you still love me, knowing that like...
42:07 Speaker 03 If I was a worm?
42:09 Speaker 01 No.
42:11 Speaker 03 Would you?
42:12 Speaker 01 Like, if they're like, there's always gonna be some type of issue, and it's always gonna be like, difficult to be, like, in a relationship with her. Because she's so public. And, she is like...
42:25 Speaker 03 Why would I like that, though?
42:27 Speaker 01 Because, she's like, will you still love me regardless? Like, will your love for me be strong? It's like, just like, your name, like, you know what I mean? Like, she's really good at describing your name.
42:36 Speaker 03 But like, why did you think of me?
42:38 Speaker 01 I don't know, I felt like you're a public guy, and you have a girlfriend, and, like, I don't know, that must be difficult.
42:44 Speaker 03 That's the issue in that song?
42:47 Speaker 01 I, no, I, am I explaining this wrong?
42:49 Speaker 03 You need to do whatever you need to do, I'm your guest.
42:52 Speaker 01 No, you're my guest. Yeah.
42:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, you need a break?
42:58 Speaker 01 Um...
43:01 Speaker 01 I can't tell.
43:05 Speaker 03 What?
43:05 Speaker 01 Literally a baby. I'm literally a baby.
43:12 Speaker 03 Why did you?
43:13 Speaker 01 Invite you here?
43:14 Speaker 03 No. It seems like you got the really comfy chair.
43:19 Speaker 01 Do you want to switch?
43:20 Speaker 03 Yes.
43:22 Speaker 01 Oh, I'm so much more comfortable.
43:24 Speaker 03 You are?
43:24 Speaker 01 Yes, are you?
43:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:26 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
43:28 Speaker 03 We needed this.
43:30 Speaker 03 Take those off.
43:31 Speaker 01 Are you in any type of rush?
43:33 Speaker 03 Rush?
43:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, like, do you have plans?
43:36 Speaker 03 Uh, not really. I feel like time doesn't exist in this little... In this... Within these four walls. Time is a construct.
43:49 Speaker 03 Right? Because also you guys got all the blackout.
43:53 Speaker 01 Sometimes I feel like I see this place in my nightmares. Do you know what I mean?
44:01 Speaker 03 You know what? Honestly, I think it's because of the fake stone wall.
44:07 Speaker 01 Oh, I said that! I said that to Louise, and she was like...
44:14 Speaker 03 You need, you guys need to do something about that.
44:16 Speaker 01 Right, you can't tell. I can tell. I can tell these...
44:22 Speaker 03 I can tell on camera, too.
44:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, you really think that's fucking real brick? Most people do. No, they don't. Genuinely.
44:30 Speaker 03 There's comments about that. People saying like, "Love your brick wall."
44:33 Speaker 01 Okay, but like, how fun would it be if it was like... Something else?
44:39 Speaker 03 Like a rug? No.
44:40 Speaker 01 I am gonna pee. And while I pee, you need to tell me what your therapist about.
44:47 Speaker 03 Without you here?
44:49 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, why don't you do that? We've never had a confessional before.
44:54 Speaker 01 That would be fun. Like while I go pee, you can look in your camera and tell the camera. This is one of, I guess there's no point to that because then who would respond? People in the comments. Oh, I'm gonna go pee.
45:09 Speaker 01 Do you guys like my shirt? Love. Love? You like the Strokes, Nolan? I love the Strokes. So do I. And you know what else I love? Vintage merch. It makes me feel exclusive and I'm, I just, I love feeling like exclusive and special. And I love wearing pieces that make me feel that way. And finding pieces that make me feel that way has never been easier than on Depop, where you can find one of a kind secondhand merch from your favorite artist or honestly, anything like it's really easy to curate your own personal style on Depop because you can connect with the person you're buying from. And I feel like with online shopping, we've kind of lost that. But Depop has really been able to make it personal again, which I think is really, really cool.
45:54 Speaker 01 Because clothes have stories and that's why buying secondhand is so cool. When you're able to actually talk to the seller like you are on Depop, you can get the story if you want behind the item that you're buying. I love the Strokes and I, I don't know what it is I love about merch so much, but I think it makes me feel like a part of something. So having a site that allows me to find pieces that make me feel happy and a part of something is really important to me. And it also helps curate my own style. Like I would have never found this shirt anywhere else other than Depop because it's like one of a kind secondhand. If you have clothes in your closet that you're not using, they have value. Just because you don't value them still, they have value and Depop helps give those
46:39 Speaker 01 clothes new life. Depop makes it literally so easy to sell them. All my friends sell on Depop. It's one of their favorite things to do. The other amazing thing about Depop is that there is no seller fees, which is Really rare, transparently, like it really is a platform for the seller and the buyer only. And that's awesome because then you have more money in your pocket and then maybe you can find clothes that you want on Depop as well. I've literally bought so much stuff on Depop these past few weeks that I'm gonna be wearing and like the coming Therapist episodes. And oh, I'm just so excited. I really do love Depop. It is such like a fun way to shop. It like makes shopping so fun. Shopping is always fun, but Depop makes it particularly fun because you feel like you're making these like personal connections with people.
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47:31 Speaker 01 This episode of Therapist is brought to you by Booking.com. Booking dot, yeah! Well, what better guest to have on than to have this ad? Because Mao travels a lot for his shows. He has shows all over the world. And if you want to see him, Booking.com will make it easier. I know that Coachella is next week. Some of you still might, who are going, still might not have a place to stay. Booking.com has you. If you're going with a big group, everyone has different needs. Booking.com allows you to put every single person's needs in there to find the place for you. If you want walking distance to the festival, if you want a pool, if you want a sauna, if you want a bath.
48:12 Speaker 01 Booking.com has all those options to help you find the perfect place for your trip. Because at the end of the day, where you lay to rest at the end of the night is crucial to your enjoyment of the trip. Right now, my friends and I are planning our summer plans. We are using Booking.com to do that. Because we are all very specific people. We need to find the correct place to stay that will make our trip the most enjoyable. It really does just make going on a trip or going somewhere so much easier. As you guys know, obviously, I don't know where I would have slept on tour had Booking.com not existed. We would show up to a city and Matt would be booking our stay as we pulled up to the city. Because he had that much faith in Booking.com.
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49:11 Speaker 03 I'm making an album.
49:13 Speaker 01 Let's talk about the album.
49:16 Speaker 03 Right.
49:16 Speaker 01 What is it?
49:18 Speaker 03 The name?
49:19 Speaker 01 No, of like, when is it coming out?
49:21 Speaker 03 I don't know. It's super stressful, to be honest.
49:24 Speaker 01 Have you come up with it? Sorry, have you come up with the name?
49:27 Speaker 03 Yes.
49:27 Speaker 01 Have you publicly announced the name?
49:29 Speaker 03 No.
49:29 Speaker 01 Okay.
49:30 Speaker 03 No, no, there's like, nothing to be found on whatever this is.
49:33 Speaker 01 Okay.
49:34 Speaker 03 You don't have to be said, no, no, no.
49:36 Speaker 01 I thought you were like, you should know this, and I had a real moment.
49:39 Speaker 03 Absolutely not, no. It's more like, I committed to doing this, and I already posted a line that I'm doing this. And so people are gonna hold me accountable.
49:47 Speaker 01 Okay, do you have like, any inkling of the name?
49:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, but like, it needs a whole backstory and everything, and that's like, a long story.
49:52 Speaker 01 Oh, really?
49:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, I was thinking more like, doesn't even matter if I say the name right now, or I don't. Like, and then people have something to think about, what they want.
50:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think it'd be cool if you would announce your album name here.
50:06 Speaker 01 I think that would be cool.
50:08 Speaker 03 Just as a friend, you're saying that, right?
50:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean, no, look, here, let me tell you this.
50:14 Speaker 03 What?
50:14 Speaker 01 I would be happy if you told me on camera or off camera. Really and truly, would it be cooler if you said it on camera? For sure. But I want to know regardless.
50:24 Speaker 03 I mean, I've been thinking.
50:26 Speaker 01 Okay.
50:27 Speaker 03 About the name.
50:28 Speaker 01 Okay.
50:29 Speaker 03 But I've had this name even before starting on an album. Like, it's been sort of with me for a long time, and I've called like, companies that name that I have that no one will see.
50:41 Speaker 01 Okay, I'm so on the edge of my seat.
50:43 Speaker 03 But it's, do you know what an anagram is?
50:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:47 Speaker 03 Like, at the...
50:49 Speaker 01 Like...
50:49 Speaker 03 Why are you laughing? Cause I don't think you do.
50:54 Speaker 01 I don't think I do. I'm thinking of like, I'm thinking of like, when like, you have to find a word in another word.
51:01 Speaker 03 So if I'm right, it's like, an anagram is, um, uh, like, if you flip the letters around a bunch, you get another word.
51:09 Speaker 01 Like, "air one." Nowhere! Yeah. That's what I thought! I started, I didn't think I fucking knew what an anagram was.
51:16 Speaker 03 I didn't know that, by the way.
51:17 Speaker 01 So what's your, what's your anagram?
51:19 Speaker 03 Okay, so, um, my dad's name is, uh, Gerbrandt.
51:24 Speaker 01 Okay.
51:24 Speaker 03 Gerbrandt, in Dutch, and, um, um, he passed away when I was eighteen.
51:30 Speaker 01 Oh, I'm sorry.
51:31 Speaker 03 And he taught me everything I know about music. So, everything I'm doing in music sort of always honors him.
51:37 Speaker 01 Uh-huh.
51:37 Speaker 03 And so the, um, like, an anagram I had of his name is, uh, rebrand.
51:45 Speaker 01 Wow.
51:46 Speaker 03 And then I chose the G as the first words, which is gonna be Generation rebrands. And it's sort of like-
51:52 Speaker 01 Oh, that's really beautiful.
51:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, and every time I look at those words, I like see my dad's name and it makes so much sense because I did a rebrand and like I did a whole career of a different name and then I switched my name and then I became successful.
52:05 Speaker 01 Wow.
52:06 Speaker 03 That's a cool name, right?
52:07 Speaker 01 That's a really cool name and that like is so meaningful to you.
52:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:11 Speaker 01 I'm so like happy for you that you've found such a great album title that means something to you.
52:18 Speaker 03 So you feel like that should be the one?
52:19 Speaker 01 I really do. That's so beautiful. And like the way you just described it, like that is so authentic to you. Authenticity always wins.
52:26 Speaker 03 Right?
52:27 Speaker 01 It really always does. And like no matter what anyone thinks, like that is what you wanted and that is what you keep going back to. And like that is what you should name your album.
52:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:35 Speaker 01 That's awesome.
52:36 Speaker 03 Yeah. So I'm working on that, so I don't have time to make the Taylor Swift remix.
52:40 Speaker 01 I totally understand. What are you therapist about today?
52:43 Speaker 03 There's one thing I've been pissed about for a really long time and it's that, um, so I go to a lot of hotels or I have to stay in a lot of hotels to play everywhere and um, a lot of hotels don't have one button to turn off all the lights.
53:01 Speaker 03 And I have to get out of my bed and I have to turn them all off one by one. And sometimes it's like the ones that stand, you can't even find the button or anything.
53:10 Speaker 01 Yes!
53:11 Speaker 03 So annoying.
53:12 Speaker 01 It's so annoying!
53:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, right?
53:14 Speaker 01 And how awesome is it when you're like in bed and it says the master off?
53:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:22 Speaker 01 So fucking awesome.
53:23 Speaker 03 Or are we talking about bigger things?
53:25 Speaker 04 No, that was perfect.
53:26 Speaker 03 Okay.
53:27 Speaker 04 Wait, can I just add something? Cause I'm actually therapist about this as well. I was thinking about this all the past week. When it's master on, master off, but you wanna keep the lamp just one next to you on.
53:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:39 Speaker 03 And you can't?
53:40 Speaker 01 That's the best of both worlds. You can't have it both.
53:42 Speaker 04 I know.
53:43 Speaker 03 That's not possible?
53:43 Speaker 04 No.
53:44 Speaker 01 No.
53:44 Speaker 03 Come on, it should be possible.
53:45 Speaker 04 Cause then you have to master on and then go and manually click the rest of them off besides the lamp you want on next to you.
53:51 Speaker 03 You've been living in an even bigger hell than me. Oh my god. I never, I never wanna have that light on. I just turn off the whole thing.
53:57 Speaker 01 Oh, I like, I like that light on sometimes. If I'm like, she's gonna say reading, I'm gonna say like wanting to talk to people but still feel like it's light outside. Like daytime. I'm so much more comfortable on this couch. I'm so happy we switched.
54:09 Speaker 03 Good.
54:09 Speaker 01 Do you feel more comfortable as well?
54:11 Speaker 03 It's nice.
54:12 Speaker 01 Oh my god, I'm so excited to party with you in Vegas.
54:16 Speaker 03 Hell yeah.
54:17 Speaker 01 And if we have fun, Spain. Like if we like get on, right, and like the groups merge and like we have like a good time and like good banter, like Spain. Admit, we'll be like, let's do this again.
54:26 Speaker 03 How big is the group?
54:27 Speaker 01 I, a lot, a lot. I have a lot of friends.
54:30 Speaker 03 And why are you guys going to Vegas?
54:33 Speaker 01 For Cochas.
54:34 Speaker 03 Oh, no way.
54:35 Speaker 01 Yes, yes.
54:37 Speaker 03 What's happening with Cochas in Vegas?
54:39 Speaker 01 It's the sweets and snacks expo.
54:41 Speaker 03 There's a sweets and snacks expo. Wow.
54:45 Speaker 01 Yes, and you're playing there the same weekend.
54:48 Speaker 03 Should I come to the sweets and snacks?
54:49 Speaker 01 Don't even play with me right now. Would you?
54:53 Speaker 03 I'm a big advocate for Cochas, so.
54:55 Speaker 01 Really?
54:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, of course, so like.
54:57 Speaker 01 I've just never met someone as passionate about it as me. I love Cochas. We've loved them in this house for years.
55:04 Speaker 03 Where did you find them?
55:04 Speaker 01 Brett went to Expo West, which is a snot convention.
55:08 Speaker 03 Do they sell these in a store?
55:10 Speaker 01 They sell them at Five Below and they sell them on Amazon.
55:13 Speaker 03 But is the goal now that it's gonna be so famous that it's in stores and stuff?
55:17 Speaker 01 Yes, I would, that is the goal. For it to be more accessible to people.
55:21 Speaker 03 This is what I grew up on.
55:23 Speaker 01 I can't believe that.
55:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
55:24 Speaker 01 They're amazing. Cochas, yes, yes.
55:27 Speaker 03 Can you say that one more time?
55:28 Speaker 01 Cochas, yes, yes. That's your logo.
55:31 Speaker 03 And what are you saying? What words?
55:36 Speaker 01 Cochas, yes, yes.
55:38 Speaker 03 Are you just saying yes, yes, yes three times?
55:40 Speaker 01 Yes.
55:40 Speaker 03 Cochas, yes, yes.
55:41 Speaker 01 Cochas, yes, yes.
55:43 Speaker 03 But what, like, can we think of something stronger for the slogan?
55:47 Speaker 01 Well, you're the creative one. What would your slogan be for them? Really cook up for a minute, like, like you need, like, I don't have a switchboard, but like really cook up for a minute.
55:58 Speaker 03 They kinda look like bigger ecstasy pills.
56:01 Speaker 01 Re- really?
56:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, have you ever seen ecstasy pills where they're like shaped in a, in a?
56:05 Speaker 01 I don't think I've ever done ecstasy.
56:06 Speaker 03 No, so they, so they make them in all of the logos of like big companies. So you'll have like a UPS ecstasy pill.
56:11 Speaker 01 That doesn't scare you? That doesn't feel like you're like taking something that's about to like literally kill you?
56:15 Speaker 03 No, like makes it more fun.
56:16 Speaker 01 Do you think I would like it?
56:17 Speaker 03 That's why it's called a Tesla.
56:20 Speaker 03 It's the Tesla logo as a pill. That's what... You've never heard about a Tesla?
56:24 Speaker 01 I would never take a Tesla ecstasy pill.
56:27 Speaker 03 Oh, in Vegas?
56:29 Speaker 01 I mean, I guess if it was the only thing you had, sure.
56:32 Speaker 03 It's the best one.
56:34 Speaker 01 Okay.
56:34 Speaker 03 Sorry.
56:35 Speaker 01 It's okay. So the shapes have different flavor, like?
56:38 Speaker 03 No.
56:39 Speaker 01 Like, I'm so confused. Okay, so what would your Katches theme song be?
56:44 Speaker 03 Theme song?
56:44 Speaker 01 Please.
56:45 Speaker 03 I thought we were doing slogan.
56:46 Speaker 01 Slogan. Oh, no, I meant like their thingy, their catchphrase. Katches, yes, yes. Okay. Are you having fun?
56:53 Speaker 03 Yes.
56:54 Speaker 01 Do you swear?
56:56 Speaker 03 Yes.
56:56 Speaker 01 Okay, so if I asked you to do-
56:58 Speaker 03 But it's also the fifth time you asked.
56:59 Speaker 01 No, I know. So if I asked you to do another segment, would you do it?
57:04 Speaker 03 Right now?
57:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, like, would you want to?
57:05 Speaker 03 Of course.
57:06 Speaker 01 You wanna do Manny's Corner first, or do you wanna do the Tell Me What's Wrong's?
57:11 Speaker 03 I want that envelope.
57:14 Speaker 01 Manny's Corner's really quick and really funny.
57:16 Speaker 03 All right, let's do Manny's Corner.
57:20 Speaker 01 Okay, so-
57:20 Speaker 03 Who's Manny?
57:21 Speaker 01 She is our coworker, and she, she writes a little segment that we call Manny's Corner, and it's just some questions Manny has that Manny's written.
57:30 Speaker 03 Okay.
57:32 Speaker 01 Okay.
57:36 Speaker 03 It's that good?
57:39 Speaker 03 All right.
57:39 Speaker 01 Would you say you-
57:44 Speaker 01 She's so funny! Would you say you owe your career to Benjamin Franklin because he discovered electricity? He also invented the ur- The urinary catheter. What do you owe him for that?
58:00 Speaker 01 She's so funny.
58:01 Speaker 03 She's really funny, actually. But why is she not here?
58:04 Speaker 01 She's on a flight.
58:05 Speaker 03 She's what?
58:05 Speaker 01 On a flight. She's usually- She's usually here.
58:08 Speaker 03 I have to miss Manny, and I just get the, I just get the envelope with the questions?
58:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, Manny's awesome.
58:13 Speaker 03 Come on.
58:14 Speaker 01 Manny's awesome. Okay, ready? This one's just silly.
58:18 Speaker 03 They are all-
58:19 Speaker 01 You call, you call yourself Mau P. Was Mau P taken?
58:23 Speaker 03 Actually, there wasn't gonna be any P at all.
58:25 Speaker 01 Okay.
58:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:26 Speaker 01 See, this is, what's the fun about Manny's Corner?
58:28 Speaker 03 It was just gonna be Mau.
58:30 Speaker 01 Okay, and what made you add the P?
58:31 Speaker 03 Well, my genius friend from MCM said I should add a P because my nickname was Mau P, which is spelled M-A-U-P-I-E, which just means like Little Mau in Dutch.
58:41 Speaker 01 Oh.
58:42 Speaker 03 Like P, like Jake P.
58:44 Speaker 01 Okay, love.
58:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:46 Speaker 01 Well, that's, okay, great. So Manny's corner goddess in answer.
58:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, of course.
58:49 Speaker 01 Thanks, Manny.
58:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:50 Speaker 01 Um.
58:51 Speaker 03 People think it's my last name, P. Like, something with a P.
58:54 Speaker 01 That's what I think.
58:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:55 Speaker 01 As well.
58:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:56 Speaker 01 Hold on, I need to answer my friend Alice really quickly.
59:02 Speaker 01 Hey, girl, I'm filming Therapists with Mal P.
59:06 Speaker 03 Hey! Hey!
59:08 Speaker 01 Okay, I love you. I love you.
59:12 Speaker 01 What's that sound?
59:15 Speaker 01 Just like a little, like, mating call.
59:18 Speaker 01 Don't you have something like that with your best friend?
59:21 Speaker 03 No.
59:22 Speaker 01 Okay. Yeah. Want to tell you, her, you love her?
59:24 Speaker 03 I love you, Manny.
59:26 Speaker 01 No, that's Alice. Do that say, "I love you, Alice."
59:30 Speaker 03 In the camera?
59:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:31 Speaker 03 "I love you, Alice."
59:36 Speaker 01 Oh, this is the best.
59:38 Speaker 03 For me and Alice?
59:39 Speaker 01 You're the best.
59:40 Speaker 03 Me and Alice are like this sound?
59:41 Speaker 01 Yes, you would love Alice. She's gonna be at Sweet and Snacks with me, and we're gonna go see you live.
59:47 Speaker 03 This is not like you made a plan and it's not gonna happen, right, in Vegas? Because there's also people that'll be like, "Oh, yeah, I'm gonna go see you there and there, we're gonna do this and then, then, then." And then you never see them.
59:56 Speaker 01 What?
59:56 Speaker 03 Like, we're actually gonna do this, right? Because I'm, like, so down.
59:59 Speaker 01 Really?
1:00:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:01 Speaker 01 Oh, my god, yes!
1:00:02 Speaker 03 Right?
1:00:03 Speaker 01 I was gonna follow up, but I was gonna have the anxiety of being like, "Oh, I feel like he doesn't actually want me to do this." And you just saying that just now made me so much, like, yes, I did want, I do want, yes.
1:00:13 Speaker 03 Of course.
1:00:14 Speaker 01 Oh, my god, I'm so excited.
1:00:15 Speaker 03 But then I'm surprised that not everybody thinks like that. Like, we just made a plan, so to me, that's like, okay, that's, that's gonna happen, right? Because I'm not bullshitting.
1:00:23 Speaker 01 I know, but, like, sometimes you never know. I'm not bullshitting either. We're gonna be at Sweet and Snacks. Like, it's not like I have to, like, you know, I'm like, okay, like, let me double check that we can all fly, like, you know, like, we all already have a girl's trip planned. So, like, you just made, it's like you made our bachelorette ten times better.
1:00:39 Speaker 03 And when is it, May? You said bachelorette?
1:00:42 Speaker 01 It's like, girl's trip. Okay.
1:00:45 Speaker 03 So what's next?
1:00:47 Speaker 01 These are the tell-me-what's-wrong's. The pussies call in and they submit tell-me-what's-wrong's. And we give them advice based on what we think.
1:00:56 Speaker 03 Okay, please repeat what you just said.
1:00:58 Speaker 01 So the pussies write in. And they write, and they tell us what's wrong.
1:01:08 Speaker 03 The pussies?
1:01:10 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:01:11 Speaker 03 What's the pussies?
1:01:12 Speaker 01 Octopussy is, that's what my followers are called.
1:01:15 Speaker 03 Oh, I'm so sorry.
1:01:18 Speaker 01 Sorry.
1:01:21 Speaker 03 I'm sorry to all the octopussy's.
1:01:22 Speaker 01 No, the pussies.
1:01:23 Speaker 03 The pussies. Can I ask you a question?
1:01:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:26 Speaker 03 What does the octopus have to do with?
1:01:28 Speaker 01 Cause I used to rate octopus on my Instagram account.
1:01:31 Speaker 03 Used to what, rate?
1:01:32 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:01:33 Speaker 03 An octopus?
1:01:34 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:01:34 Speaker 03 By looking at it?
1:01:35 Speaker 01 I would eat it.
1:01:36 Speaker 03 Oh, okay. I grilled?
1:01:39 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:01:40 Speaker 03 I love octopus.
1:01:41 Speaker 01 So do you wanna get an octopus in Vegas?
1:01:44 Speaker 03 Where though? Where do they have?
1:01:45 Speaker 01 So many places, so many places have octopus.
1:01:48 Speaker 03 Which one?
1:01:49 Speaker 01 I don't know, probably like Carbone.
1:01:52 Speaker 03 Yeah? Absolutely, let's do it.
1:01:55 Speaker 01 Okay, cool.
1:01:56 Speaker 03 And then they wrote you the octopi?
1:01:59 Speaker 01 I eat it, and then I go, hmm, it's good. Texture's a little off, but it's salty. 7.2 out of 8 tentacles.
1:02:07 Speaker 03 That's how you got famous?
1:02:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:10 Speaker 03 Is there a big octopus community?
1:02:12 Speaker 01 No, people just thought I was funny, I guess.
1:02:15 Speaker 03 Oh, you did it in a really, you did it in a really U-way?
1:02:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:18 Speaker 03 Right. That's a big, big sip.
1:02:24 Speaker 03 For a big boy.
1:02:27 Speaker 01 You wouldn't describe me as big.
1:02:29 Speaker 03 No.
1:02:32 Speaker 01 Right?
1:02:32 Speaker 03 I mean like mentally, big.
1:02:34 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:02:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:02:36 Speaker 01 I need to like swallow.
1:02:38 Speaker 03 The water?
1:02:39 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:02:40 Speaker 03 Where's my water?
1:02:41 Speaker 01 Do you wanna drink water too? It's like, I've been drinking a lot of water lately.
1:02:45 Speaker 03 Should we do a shot of tequila?
1:02:48 Speaker 01 You're lying, yeah, fuck it.
1:02:49 Speaker 03 Right?
1:02:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:51 Speaker 03 Yeah. I feel like that would help for this section. Oh, okay. It's like, like get into our emotions a little bit.
1:02:59 Speaker 01 I can't.
1:03:00 Speaker 03 It's a party today.
1:03:02 Speaker 01 Mao, you are amazing. Oh my god, this is the therapist Don Julio I was gifted.
1:03:07 Speaker 03 There we go, that's what I mean.
1:03:09 Speaker 01 And I've never opened it. Should we chill this? Like, should we have ice cubes? Well, yeah, do you want to do the honors? Okay, but I would just like to give some backstory.
1:03:16 Speaker 03 Alright.
1:03:17 Speaker 01 When Don Julio gifted this to me, I thought it was really special. So we kept it. And so, yeah.
1:03:25 Speaker 03 And now we're putting it to good use.
1:03:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:03:27 Speaker 03 No one opened this the whole time?
1:03:29 Speaker 01 No. It was just something, it was like, oh, this is cool art. It is. Yeah. But now how cool to share this moment with you. Okay, you. I don't have any. Oh, oh, oh, thank you. Thank you, I was so confused.
1:03:49 Speaker 01 It's okay.
1:03:50 Speaker 03 Are you ready?
1:03:52 Speaker 01 Ready? Cheers.
1:03:54 Speaker 03 You're gonna count down?
1:03:56 Speaker 01 But you have to do, you have to do.
1:03:57 Speaker 03 I thought you were gonna say three, two, one.
1:03:59 Speaker 01 You have to do eyes.
1:04:00 Speaker 03 Eyes?
1:04:01 Speaker 01 Yes, you have to look me in the eyes.
1:04:02 Speaker 03 I always do eyes.
1:04:03 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:04:03 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:04:04 Speaker 01 Cheers. Okay, yes.
1:04:11 Speaker 01 Honestly, that tasted really nice. Wow. My friend won't accept that I'm okay. Let me explain. I have this one friend and she's always checking in on me. And while there is nothing wrong with that, I will say that perfectly fine and I'm just, it's just my resting face, but she keeps trying to get me to say what's wrong. I already have a friend I tell my issues to because we have similar problems, but she just won't stop. Help! It's getting annoying, but I don't want to be rude. Okay. I'm gonna have a hard time answering that because I'm the friend that's like, are you mad at me? So how would you answer that?
1:04:47 Speaker 03 Cause like, I'm like that too, I have sort of a resting bitch face.
1:04:50 Speaker 01 Okay, so it annoys you? Oh, yes, just be upfront.
1:04:53 Speaker 03 There will be people at my show that are just like working the production, whatever, and I'm like about to go on stage, it's like, and that's what I live to do, like that's my passion, but my face will be like.
1:05:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
1:05:03 Speaker 03 And they're like, can I do something for you? Like, are you okay? Like, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I'm about to do what I was born to do. So, like, why would you ask that question? And it's just my face, and I can't control it. Like, I can't permanently smile or look happy, you know?
1:05:19 Speaker 01 You can't.
1:05:19 Speaker 03 But I am.
1:05:20 Speaker 01 What's the hardest you've ever smiled? Now that I'm, like, thinking about it?
1:05:23 Speaker 03 What?
1:05:24 Speaker 01 Like, do you go like this?
1:05:26 Speaker 03 Of course, I can.
1:05:29 Speaker 03 For you.
1:05:31 Speaker 01 Okay, cool. I just didn't see that, this app, episode. Really?
1:05:35 Speaker 03 This app?
1:05:38 Speaker 01 Now I'm like, oh, I guess I don't know what you look like smiling. But now I do.
1:05:42 Speaker 03 Maybe you weren't looking.
1:05:44 Speaker 01 Oh, hell, here we go. I am a bad listener, so that wouldn't be shocking.
1:05:48 Speaker 03 So we answered her thing?
1:05:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think, right? What was her thing? Oh, yeah, be direct. Be direct.
1:05:54 Speaker 03 That's it.
1:05:55 Speaker 01 I was at a concert in Camden, New Jersey, and I was blackout drunk and about to throw up. My best friend walked me to the side of the venue and then left me there throwing up so she could go back inside with a guy. No, I've never brought it up, but I think about it all the time because I'm always the one who takes care of her when she's drunk. Oh, that's so annoying. I feel bad for her. That's so annoying. That's so annoying. I feel bad for her.
1:06:19 Speaker 03 Me too. Tell her.
1:06:21 Speaker 01 And then, wow, I think she's scared of her leaving her.
1:06:23 Speaker 03 What? Leaving her? She left her to puke for a guy.
1:06:29 Speaker 01 Would you do that?
1:06:29 Speaker 03 No.
1:06:30 Speaker 01 For a girl?
1:06:32 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:06:36 Speaker 03 Yeah. I mean, at the same time, I wasn't the one that drank so much I had to puke.
1:06:41 Speaker 01 Oh, hell, but she takes care of her.
1:06:44 Speaker 03 Oh, she does, right?
1:06:45 Speaker 01 She takes care of her.
1:06:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But let's say if it was like a raging alcoholic friend that, like, this happens all the time.
1:06:52 Speaker 01 Do you have friends like that?
1:06:53 Speaker 03 I wish.
1:06:54 Speaker 01 No, you don't.
1:06:55 Speaker 03 Do you drink a lot?
1:06:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:06:57 Speaker 03 This is all a test. Like, I got you to smoke weed and drink during your own episode.
1:07:02 Speaker 01 Wait, yeah, like...
1:07:03 Speaker 03 You have no backbone.
1:07:06 Speaker 03 I can talk you into anything. We're going to Vegas.
1:07:09 Speaker 01 And the thing is, I'm gonna do it.
1:07:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:12 Speaker 01 And I'm gonna have a really fun time.
1:07:14 Speaker 03 Perfect. I love that. I love that.
1:07:16 Speaker 01 I'm so excited. Now I'm like, I have something to look forward to. Yay!
1:07:21 Speaker 03 I will make sure that it will be the best trip.
1:07:25 Speaker 01 Ever?
1:07:25 Speaker 03 Ever.
1:07:26 Speaker 01 Okay, but will you stop by Sweets and Snacks if you're there?
1:07:29 Speaker 03 But I think that's a day before I'm there.
1:07:30 Speaker 01 You know what, just make sure my day with you, when you do this whole DJ set?
1:07:35 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:07:36 Speaker 04 What, you bring it?
1:07:37 Speaker 01 Like, let's have a good old Vegas times.
1:07:40 Speaker 03 I promise.
1:07:41 Speaker 01 Okay, cool. My sister and I planned a trip to Hawaii together and I just found out she invited her boyfriend. He's nice, but now I'm gonna be the third wheel on a trip that was supposed to be just us. I know they're gonna wanna do a couple things and I'll be left alone. What should I do? Okay.
1:07:53 Speaker 03 Damn.
1:07:53 Speaker 01 I would do the same thing as her sister. If I had a boyfriend, like, if I got a boyfriend after planning a trip with my friend, I'd be like, well, can they come? I would. Sorry.
1:08:04 Speaker 03 What if they want a quality time with you?
1:08:05 Speaker 01 Of course, yeah, it sucks. But sometimes you have to be selfish in life. And like, like, it sucks. Like, it just sucks. And you don't know until you're that person. Like, until you're that person, you can shit on them all they want, but then when you are that person and you're in that situation and you just wanna spend 24/7 with your fucking boyfriend, yeah, you're gonna be selfish and ask if he can come on the trip. With your sister, out of all people, yeah, you're gonna ask. You're like, you'll love me no matter what, so just love me for this.
1:08:33 Speaker 03 I don't know.
1:08:34 Speaker 01 Okay, totally, explain.
1:08:36 Speaker 03 Like, you have to see your boyfriend 24/7 when your sister asks for, like, some time for you and her?
1:08:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know, it's, it's, yeah, maybe then just say, well, what, okay, maybe?
1:08:44 Speaker 03 Cause, cause the key word here is boyfriend.
1:08:47 Speaker 01 But I think maybe the sister wants to spend time with both of them.
1:08:49 Speaker 03 I did not, I did not hear husband. That's not family. Your family, direct family, blood, is asking, do you wanna spend time with me, go on a trip? You're like, but I have this boyfriend. He has to come.
1:09:04 Speaker 01 I guess.
1:09:04 Speaker 03 Do you have siblings?
1:09:05 Speaker 01 Yeah. Would you think I'm an only child?
1:09:08 Speaker 03 Yes. Sorry, absolutely. I don't know why.
1:09:12 Speaker 01 No, but, yeah, everyone says it. I've been seeing this guy for a week or two now. We've been on a few dates. Last night, I finally went over to his house to potentially hook up. When I see him, he has a life-size Guy Fieri cut out in his living room, living room. Not a boy.
1:09:31 Speaker 01 Not a word was spoken about it. Biggest egg of all time. He's hot, so you gotta look past it. I'm just asking about it. If he's hot, look past it.
1:09:40 Speaker 03 Maybe it's a joke.
1:09:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, sue him for an inside joke. You know, like, I have inside jokes around my house.
1:09:47 Speaker 03 I didn't see any inside jokes. Oh, I saw like donuts in a frame.
1:09:53 Speaker 01 That's not an inside joke, but it makes sense to us.
1:09:57 Speaker 03 I have to say, your house was very clean.
1:09:59 Speaker 01 People used to never say that.
1:10:02 Speaker 03 But was it you? Was it your fault?
1:10:03 Speaker 01 No, it was all of our fault. It was pigsty. But then, but then the go-to girls came and saved the day. Okay, so you have to look past the Guy Fieri thing. Like, we need to stay on course here.
1:10:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:10:13 Speaker 01 Like sweating, my palms, my face. Is anyone else sweating?
1:10:18 Speaker 03 Nope.
1:10:19 Speaker 01 Okay, cool. My roommate constantly breaks my shit when she's drunk and owes me like $200 worth of stuff that she destroyed. She makes me feel like she's the victim whenever she does this the morning after, saying things like, "It's hereditary." "I'll pay you back for it soon," etc. What do I say? Say, "Bitch, it's not hereditary. You broke my shit, and if you don't pay me $200, we're gonna have a problem."
1:10:44 Speaker 03 What does that mean? Hereditary?
1:10:46 Speaker 01 I don't really know. Like, it's like inherent.
1:10:48 Speaker 03 Passed down through genes.
1:10:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:50 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:10:50 Speaker 01 I think she's like trying to make joke of it or something. I don't really know. Or saying like, "She's from a family of alcoholics." Just be like, "Bitch, no. You broke my shit. I will help you, whatever. But you broke my shit. You owe me money. Sometimes things in life have consequences."
1:11:06 Speaker 03 These are some really annoying, like, situations, though, for people.
1:11:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:09 Speaker 03 You get a, you get a new batch every week?
1:11:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:12 Speaker 03 There's actual people that send in this.
1:11:13 Speaker 01 Yes. You gotta pass that pussy on. Tell me what's wrong. Leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy.
1:11:18 Speaker 03 But do they also, like, give you a debrief? Like, "It went amazing, and thank you so much for your advice." Do you ever hear back from them?
1:11:25 Speaker 01 Do we?
1:11:26 Speaker 03 Like, where are they now?
1:11:26 Speaker 01 Nolan gets them.
1:11:27 Speaker 03 I've not really seen that before, no.
1:11:29 Speaker 01 No?
1:11:30 Speaker 03 I'll get DMs sometime.
1:11:31 Speaker 01 Okay, I get, oh, yes, yes. I get DMs sometimes. I get DMs sometimes being like, I was the girl, like, for example.
1:11:38 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
1:11:38 Speaker 01 When Glenn Powell came on this show, we called, uh, somebody sent their number, it was the therapist, and we ca- or, or an astrologist, and we called them or something.
1:11:46 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
1:11:47 Speaker 01 Or we said, like, we called this girl. She was at the stage door for my play on Broadway and was like, I was the girl you called with Glenn Powell, the therapist, and I wrote you an astrology reading, and I have it in my room.
1:11:59 Speaker 03 That's awesome.
1:12:00 Speaker 01 Isn't that awesome? Yeah, it's pretty cool.
1:12:02 Speaker 03 That must be very, like, uh, I don't know what the word is.
1:12:05 Speaker 01 It makes me feel like, oh my god, how full circle. That's so sweet. And I feel like a real connection.
1:12:10 Speaker 03 That's like the payoff for what you do here, I think. Right? That someone comes back to you and is like, the thing that you did here in this little room with these people on this camera, like, actually made a difference.
1:12:22 Speaker 01 Aw, yeah.
1:12:23 Speaker 03 Right?
1:12:23 Speaker 01 Yeah. When do you feel those moments?
1:12:27 Speaker 03 When, like, I do my work, I DJ, and I see people enjoying themselves and, like, forgetting about their everyday life.
1:12:35 Speaker 01 Aw.
1:12:36 Speaker 03 Cause that's what I do. Like, for me, like, I make music, and for most people, music is like an escape, you know?
1:12:41 Speaker 01 It is. It's, for me, it is. That's what Taylor Swift is for me, an escape.
1:12:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:12:46 Speaker 01 My mom just started dating the dad of the girl who bullied me all throughout high school.
1:12:51 Speaker 01 Now she keeps inviting them over for dinner and expects me to be nice. I'm literally 25 and I feel like I'm in high school again, that's, there's, like, weirdly a tension there still. What do I do? I prescribe the movie You Again. Do you remember that movie? So fucking fire. So fire, and it will tell you what to do. Have you seen, of course you haven't, you haven't seen You Again.
1:13:11 Speaker 03 No, sorry.
1:13:11 Speaker 01 We ha- uh, I'm not gonna say we have to watch it, cause like, I understand that's asking a lot of you, but like, it's a good, it's like actively a good movie.
1:13:17 Speaker 03 Who plays in that?
1:13:18 Speaker 01 I forget. I think Betty White's in it, if I remember correctly. Oh my god. Fuck, it's so good. I remember the first time I saw that, I was like, this is awesome.
1:13:26 Speaker 03 And it's about this situation?
1:13:27 Speaker 01 Yes, it's literally that situation. It's literally that situation.
1:13:32 Speaker 03 So that's our advice? Watch the movie?
1:13:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, sometimes all you need is an escape like that.
1:13:36 Speaker 03 Alright.
1:13:36 Speaker 01 I'm talking to this guy and the end is really funny.
1:13:40 Speaker 03 What was the other thing I had to watch? Mr. Robot?
1:13:42 Speaker 01 You've seen Mr. Robot?
1:13:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I wanna watch it again now.
1:13:45 Speaker 01 Okay. Hmm. Have you seen the show Dark?
1:13:48 Speaker 03 Yes, with the German kids?
1:13:50 Speaker 01 Like, were you like obsessed?
1:13:52 Speaker 03 At first I was, yeah, but then it just keeps being dark for so long.
1:13:55 Speaker 01 What?
1:13:56 Speaker 03 It's called Dark.
1:13:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:13:58 Speaker 03 Right? Yeah.
1:13:59 Speaker 01 There's three seasons.
1:13:59 Speaker 03 I know, but like...
1:14:01 Speaker 01 You got over the plot?
1:14:01 Speaker 03 I was a little bit done, yeah.
1:14:02 Speaker 01 No! The, no! No, the ending is so beautiful.
1:14:08 Speaker 03 I saw it, I think.
1:14:09 Speaker 01 You saw all three seasons?
1:14:10 Speaker 03 I think so, yeah, I must have. I was obsessed.
1:14:13 Speaker 01 Do you remember the theme song?
1:14:16 Speaker 03 The theme song was also really dark.
1:14:18 Speaker 01 Open...
1:14:20 Speaker 03 The what?
1:14:21 Speaker 01 Give me a sign.
1:14:22 Speaker 03 That was the theme song?
1:14:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:25 Speaker 03 I was skipping.
1:14:26 Speaker 01 Oh, I loved it.
1:14:28 Speaker 03 Have you watched Sopranos?
1:14:30 Speaker 01 No, and I keep meaning to.
1:14:33 Speaker 03 You should.
1:14:34 Speaker 01 Is it that good?
1:14:35 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:14:36 Speaker 01 Should it be my next binge? Let me tell you something though about me in a binge. When I get in a binge, it's a dark spot.
1:14:42 Speaker 03 It's eight seasons.
1:14:43 Speaker 01 It's a dark spot, like I just did Homeland. Whoa. Like, anything goes during a binge. Like, anything goes. Like, I like, I devote myself to that world.
1:14:55 Speaker 03 How would you, how would you do that with the Sopranos?
1:14:57 Speaker 01 I don't know. I'd probably become obsessed with the Italian mafia. Cause that happened to me for a brief moment during Covid. I watched a short series or a docu-series about the mob in New York, and then I watched Goodfellas.
1:15:09 Speaker 03 Me too. So good.
1:15:11 Speaker 01 So good. I'm kind of talking to this guy and he's really hot and successful, but he sleeps on his couch every night with his roommate even though he has his own room with a bed, because he doesn't want to be alone. I don't know what to do.
1:15:23 Speaker 03 That one's kind of funny.
1:15:28 Speaker 03 Like, that's like...
1:15:28 Speaker 01 Do you think he's gay?
1:15:36 Speaker 01 You do?
1:15:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:15:37 Speaker 01 But maybe then I'm invalidating male, like, male affection towards, platonically towards each other.
1:15:43 Speaker 03 What other reason would there be for him to like?
1:15:46 Speaker 01 Girls like to sleep together all the time and they're not.
1:15:49 Speaker 03 Girls.
1:15:50 Speaker 01 Wait, so what should she do about the boyfriend?
1:15:53 Speaker 03 Don't date him.
1:15:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, because he's not gonna tell. If he's gay, if that's the reason, he's not gonna tell you. And you're always gonna be wondering. So like.
1:16:02 Speaker 03 Or ask. No.
1:16:04 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:16:08 Speaker 03 No, that's not an option. I'm sorry.
1:16:11 Speaker 01 Don't ask, don't tell? Is that what you're gonna say?
1:16:14 Speaker 03 No, I mean, like, just ask the guy, like, what's up?
1:16:18 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:16:19 Speaker 03 What did you think?
1:16:20 Speaker 01 I thought you were saying, like, don't ask, don't tell. Like, maybe just go, like, in blind, like, you know? Oh, my God, you're not, like, you're not from America. We used to have this thing called don't ask, don't tell. And gay people weren't allowed to be in the army. Did you know that?
1:16:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:16:32 Speaker 01 Oh, okay.
1:16:34 Speaker 03 But what's the don't ask, don't tell?
1:16:35 Speaker 01 That was the rule.
1:16:36 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:16:37 Speaker 01 It was like, you can be gay, but we can't hear about it.
1:16:39 Speaker 03 No, I mean, like.
1:16:40 Speaker 01 And if we find out you're gay, you're gonna get kicked out. Isn't that crazy? Up until, like, I, like, remember it going away. Don't you? Like, Louise is.
1:16:47 Speaker 04 I'm an ally.
1:16:48 Speaker 01 Louise is an ally. Are you?
1:16:52 Speaker 03 An ally?
1:16:53 Speaker 01 Like, do you have gay friends?
1:16:54 Speaker 03 Of course.
1:16:56 Speaker 01 Oh, my God, obsessed with that for you. Really?
1:16:58 Speaker 03 I mean, I love the gays. And you know why? Because they, like, started my whole scene.
1:17:03 Speaker 01 Tell me everything.
1:17:04 Speaker 03 You didn't know that? Like, house music, everything was started by gays. Like, it was hippies, gays, like, gay parties and, like, Mykonos was like a big party island. Ibiza was all gays.
1:17:15 Speaker 01 Oh, I didn't know that.
1:17:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, because, like, they were, like, feeling so free and they wanted to dance and blah blah. That's what's their escape, I guess.
1:17:22 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:17:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:17:23 Speaker 01 You should perform at Pride. Would you do that?
1:17:26 Speaker 03 Of course, but, like, an anthem is such a big thing already. It's like everyone's just out on the streets on the.
1:17:30 Speaker 01 Is it fun?
1:17:30 Speaker 03 It's so fun.
1:17:31 Speaker 01 I caught my roommate watching me through the crack in my bedroom door one night when she thought I was asleep. I pretended not to notice, but now I feel weird every time I'm home. Do I confront her or pretend it never happened? Obviously, I would prescribe the roommate with late and meister, but continue.
1:17:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, when do you decide when it's, like, wrong?
1:17:46 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:17:47 Speaker 03 Cause I can imagine me walking by your room and I see you sleep and I look like when does it turn to spying?
1:17:54 Speaker 01 When do you think it turns to spying?
1:17:56 Speaker 03 When she actively like enjoys.
1:17:58 Speaker 01 Well, how do you like, give it a time period?
1:18:01 Speaker 03 Cause I would be like looking, I was like, oh, he's sleeping and then I would leave.
1:18:05 Speaker 01 Like sometimes when my friend Alice is sleeping, she'll sleep in a funny position and like I'll take a photo of it and send it to her in the morning.
1:18:11 Speaker 03 This feels like a deeper situation.
1:18:14 Speaker 01 I mean, I would definitely like distance yourself.
1:18:16 Speaker 03 But she even, okay, so this is written by her, the lady who spied, right? She feels so wrong about it that she had to send you a question about it, a message.
1:18:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't know what.
1:18:28 Speaker 03 So it's definitely a problem for her. So we should tell her to like, take care of it.
1:18:32 Speaker 01 You know what though? I wouldn't confront the roommate because the roommate could be psycho.
1:18:35 Speaker 03 I wouldn't tell her.
1:18:36 Speaker 01 I would, I would tell someone else.
1:18:38 Speaker 03 I feel like she has a problem with herself.
1:18:40 Speaker 01 The roommate?
1:18:41 Speaker 03 No.
1:18:42 Speaker 01 The girl.
1:18:43 Speaker 03 The girl that's spying.
1:18:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:18:44 Speaker 03 She has some stuff to figure out. Like leave the roommate out of it.
1:18:47 Speaker 01 But how can she get like, she needs to get out of the situation like, like as calmly and professionally as possible, as possible. Like that's how a spy would think. You know what I mean? She has to think if she, if she wants to, if this girl is spying on her, she needs to act like a spy. Like I just watched Homeland and in Homeland they had to like handle shit like spies do. To battle other people that were like wishing them harm.
1:19:11 Speaker 03 Wait, did I read it wrong or did I understand it wrong?
1:19:15 Speaker 01 Well, what should we talk about now that we're friends?
1:19:20 Speaker 03 What do friends talk about?
1:19:22 Speaker 01 Um, I like to talk about gossip with my friends.
1:19:26 Speaker 03 Gossip?
1:19:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, we like sit, it's like we're like old women, like we sit, we like gossip and we.
1:19:33 Speaker 03 In a bad way or just in like an informative way?
1:19:35 Speaker 01 Formative.
1:19:37 Speaker 03 Like, oh, this happened to this person, blah, blah. Did you hear about?
1:19:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, of course there's criticisms of along the way as you would. Oh, come on. You don't gossip?
1:19:46 Speaker 03 A little bit. I don't enjoy it that much, I think.
1:19:49 Speaker 01 We also like to watch television shows together. We like to party together. We like to talk about music, new music together. Any new music you're loving?
1:20:00 Speaker 03 I love Don Tolliver.
1:20:01 Speaker 01 Oh my god, his album is amazing, I've heard.
1:20:03 Speaker 03 His new album is really good.
1:20:05 Speaker 01 On a highway and I'm thinking that I love, I know that one, but I don't know the rest. What are some others that you would recommend to me on that album?
1:20:12 Speaker 03 Is that ATM that you were singing?
1:20:14 Speaker 01 Um, I think it's E85.
1:20:16 Speaker 03 Oh, then I love ATM.
1:20:18 Speaker 01 ATM?
1:20:19 Speaker 03 That's, to me, that's the best one.
1:20:20 Speaker 01 Okay, I'm gonna listen to it after this. Do you wanna know what new music I'm listening to?
1:20:24 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:20:25 Speaker 01 Okay, I'm listening to, right now, a song by Robbie Robb called "In Time." I used to be obsessed with it when I was watching Mr. Robot. You love this song, Nolan, so good. In Mr. Robot, there's a really good needle drop with it, and so I think about that. I've been listening to "Leaving Tennessee" by Carter Faith, which my best friend Will put me on to today, like, my country era. I've been listening to-
1:20:48 Speaker 03 It's country?
1:20:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, I've been listening to "Sorry, I Meant Tonight" by Megan Maroney.
1:20:53 Speaker 03 You listen to a lot of country?
1:20:54 Speaker 01 Uh, sometimes, yeah. I love good lyricism, like, I love, like, good storytelling. That's why I love Taylor Swift so much, she tells such a beautiful story. I've also been listening to her song "Dear Reader," which is really good, and I've been listening to her song "Maroon" a lot.
1:21:08 Speaker 03 Do you like Mac Miller?
1:21:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, you know what, I've never been able to get, like, no one's ever told me, like, cuz I feel like he's kind of like, it's like, he has so much work, I wanna know which to go to first, like, what, how should I, how should I have my experience with his art? What, what's your favorite album?
1:21:24 Speaker 03 Wait, do you like Shane?
1:21:27 Speaker 01 No, I've never gotten into Shane.
1:21:28 Speaker 03 What? What are you talking about?
1:21:30 Speaker 01 What? You reacted this way too? Okay, so how, let me get-
1:21:34 Speaker 04 But also Mac Miller, like, you would love-
1:21:36 Speaker 01 No, I know I would love Mac Miller. I know, I know.
1:21:40 Speaker 04 I'll make a playlist.
1:21:41 Speaker 01 You, so you've had an era with him?
1:21:42 Speaker 04 Beyond.
1:21:43 Speaker 01 Okay, will you make me a playlist? Cuz one time she made me a playlist and it worked really well.
1:21:47 Speaker 03 Cuz you, like, tailored it to his taste? Cool.
1:21:50 Speaker 01 Okay, yeah, I've been listening to E85 by Don Tolliver, I've been listening to Reverie by Sarah Kinsley. Have you been listening to Sarah Kinsley at all? She's amazing. Um, and then I've been listening to, do you watch Paradise?
1:22:02 Speaker 03 What's that? Paradise?
1:22:04 Speaker 01 Let me put you on. It is a television show. About the end of the world and it's really well done and it's amazing and it's my favorite show on television right now.
1:22:15 Speaker 03 Doesn't sound like I would like it with the end of the world.
1:22:17 Speaker 01 What do you, what do you watch? What are you watching?
1:22:19 Speaker 03 Well, I just finished The Sopranos and then.
1:22:22 Speaker 01 Okay, I'm gonna go for it.
1:22:23 Speaker 03 I didn't have anything new.
1:22:25 Speaker 01 You know what, maybe that.
1:22:26 Speaker 03 Oh, I'm just like rewatching Entourage every.
1:22:28 Speaker 01 You know, I've never seen Entourage.
1:22:30 Speaker 03 Are you kidding me?
1:22:31 Speaker 01 No, it's very intimidating. So I need to pick one. Okay. Depends. Should I watch Entourage?
1:22:36 Speaker 03 Yes, absolutely. It's also like culturally, you have to understand a couple of things that.
1:22:41 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:22:42 Speaker 03 Are going on.
1:22:42 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:22:43 Speaker 03 In Entourage.
1:22:44 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:22:45 Speaker 03 It's very similar to your life, I think.
1:22:47 Speaker 01 Really?
1:22:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, and mine.
1:22:48 Speaker 01 I feel like that's a compliment, whatever you just said.
1:22:50 Speaker 03 Yeah. I also don't know what I mean, but.
1:22:53 Speaker 01 Okay. Um, so Mao, what did we learn today?
1:22:56 Speaker 03 Uh, you're awesome.
1:22:59 Speaker 01 Shut up!
1:23:00 Speaker 03 And you need to change that wall.
1:23:01 Speaker 01 Wow, that's what you learned? That was like the first thing that came to your mind too. So I know you meant it.
1:23:06 Speaker 03 Of course.
1:23:07 Speaker 01 Okay, what I learned is that we are about to have a really fun weekend to look forward to.
1:23:12 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:23:12 Speaker 01 Uh, the sweets and snacks expo for me and your concert for you, but.
1:23:15 Speaker 03 Got you. Yes, yes, yes.
1:23:17 Speaker 01 Got you. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
1:23:19 Speaker 03 You do four?
1:23:19 Speaker 01 No, I just, I got awkward and I added an extra by accident. Um, okay. Well, Mao P, thank you for coming on the show. This was just.
1:23:27 Speaker 03 Phenomenal.
1:23:28 Speaker 01 I, I was in a really, really. Yeah, that's, you know, I was in a really.
1:23:32 Speaker 03 It breaks my heart. We have to end.
1:23:34 Speaker 01 I, me too. Louise, she's like my babysitter. Well, I've been, I've had such a good time.
1:23:41 Speaker 03 Me too.
1:23:42 Speaker 01 I was in a really bad headspace before this. Like I thought I was gonna cry. Like I actually felt like I was gonna cry.
1:23:46 Speaker 03 Today?
1:23:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was in a really, really bad headspace.
1:23:48 Speaker 03 Wow.
1:23:49 Speaker 01 I was in a really, really, really, really, really bad headspace and doing this with you.
1:23:52 Speaker 03 Awesome.
1:23:53 Speaker 01 Even though I might re-enter that headspace later.
1:23:55 Speaker 03 You have something good to think back.
1:23:56 Speaker 01 I've really enjoyed myself and found joy in my day because of you. So that's what I learned.
1:24:01 Speaker 03 Love.
1:24:02 Speaker 01 Love.
1:24:03 Speaker 03 That's great.
1:24:04 Speaker 01 You. Not, not yet.
1:24:08 Speaker 01 Love you.
1:24:09 Speaker 03 I meant like love. I just say love like when you say something I love.
1:24:11 Speaker 01 Is it hard for you to say I love you?
1:24:12 Speaker 03 No, but we just met. Like I made that mistake before with people, so.
1:24:18 Speaker 01 What do you mean?
1:24:20 Speaker 03 Like going too deep too soon.
1:24:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, but this isn't a romantic relationship.
1:24:24 Speaker 03 Who knows?
1:24:27 Speaker 01 Stop it.
1:24:28 Speaker 03 Why are you excluding that conversation?
1:24:30 Speaker 01 Stop. Okay. Malpi, thank you for coming on Therapuss.
1:24:36 Speaker 03 Thank you for having me.
1:24:37 Speaker 01 Sorry, can you say bye pussies in Dutch now?
1:24:39 Speaker 03 Doei kijks.
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