UFO Contact, Government Secrets and the CIA | Basement: Chris Bledsoe

Chris Bledsoe is a UFO experiencer, author, and speaker whose 2007 encounter at the Cape Fear River became one of the most scrutinized contact cases in modern history. He reports that the experience cured a years-long battle with Crohn's disease and triggered a profound spiritual awakening that continues to this day. Since then, defense, intelligence, and military branches have investigated his claims. The CIA, NASA, and the Vatican have all shown direct interest in his case. Bledsoe reports ongoing phenomena at his home, speaks at events worldwide, and published his memoir UFO of God in 2023. Thousands of witnesses have observed orbs in his presence. He continues to be studied by researchers and scientists who cannot explain what they find. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYzXPxktcuM Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30AJ Gentile?

  Today, I'm talking with Chris Bledsoe, a North Carolina businessman who, in 2007, was facing the end of everything. His company had collapsed, he was dying from Crohn's disease, and he went down to the Cape Fear River with his teenage son and three of his workers to fish. What happened next changed his life. And honestly, it's one of the most unusual cases in modern UFO history. Chris and all five witnesses experienced multiple orbs, creatures with glowing red eyes, and a massive Tic Tac-shaped craft, and four hours of missing time. Chris came home healed from his Crohn's disease.

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Four hours of missing time, and he came back healed? Ah, meanwhile, I lose four hours on Tic Tac and come back with carpal fin.

• 1:11AJ Gentile?

  And here's where it gets interesting. Since 2007, senior officials from the CIA, NASA, and even the Vatican have been quietly investigating him. Former CIA officer Jim Sembun wrote the foreword to his book. A NASA engineer spent years trying to debunk him and couldn't.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Oh, NASA tried to debunk him, huh? That's their tell, human. When NASA tries to debunk you, you're over the target.

• 1:34AJ Gentile?

  I agree. We're going to talk about the encounter, the healing, the beings, and the entity Chris calls "The Lady," a divine feminine presence that's been appearing to him since 2012.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  At least she's bringing him healing. Whenever a feminine shows up at my door, she's usually bringing legal documents.

• 1:50AJ Gentile?

  Okay, let's get back to work. This one goes places you don't expect. I really enjoy the conversation. Let's go down to the basement.

• 2:05AJ Gentile?

  Chris, thanks for coming today.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me, AJ.

• 2:08AJ Gentile?

  I am so excited.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  It's mine, me too. It's my honor. Been a big fan for a long time.

• 2:13AJ Gentile?

  Oh, don't say that. You don't have to say that.

• 2:14Speaker 03

  I have been.

• 2:16AJ Gentile?

  So, if you know my show, and I'm just gonna recap this for the audience, at the end of The Y-Files, I do a segment, "Debunking and Analysis." I don't do that here. This is about telling the story, and just kind of exploring your experiences. So, if you feel any pushback, it's not... This isn't a "Gacha" show. This is... We're gonna talk about your story.

• 2:42AJ Gentile?

  I guess it all starts at the river. What brought you to the river?

• 2:48Speaker 03

  Well, it actually started before the river.

• 2:50AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  And, let's back up to about 2001, when the World Trade Center disaster happened. At that time, I'd been in business nearly 20 years, and building upwards of 100, 120, or 30 houses every year. And was one of the biggest builders in our county, and one in the state. Private company. And when that disaster happened, being that my business is based in a military town, Fort Bragg, the housing sales just stopped, suddenly. Nobody's buying. And so, here I am with $18 million invested in property,

• 3:34Speaker 03

  and the interest rates had gone up to like 8%. And on borrowed money, it was costing me $100,000 a month.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  We fast forward, and I was dealing with Crohn's, and that made it worse. It got worse and worse and worse. And by the time 2004 come along, I was in the hospital, having... And I write about this in my book, "What Happened There." Had a near-death experience from a doctor poisoning me. I'd lost everything. Took me five years to go through all the savings I had, and liquidating all I could, but I paid the banks off, and sold the property. But I was left with nothing, so...

• 4:19Speaker 03

  The near death happened in oh four and early oh five, I was still recovering. By summer of oh six, I was just getting to where I could go back to work. I was still sick with Crohn's, right? And I just had this, this poisoning in the hospital by a doctor.

• 4:40AJ Gentile?

  And I'd love to get into that at some point, maybe later today, because you've had two NDEs.

• 4:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, one from a gunshot when I was ten and one from over medication, not checking my vital, my liver and my blood work, right? The doctor just didn't, he failed to do it and it caused me to go into toxic shot, a metal poisoning, they call it. And so here I am now, all this happened, sick, I'm recovering, I'm at the end of my rope. I had a million dollar home, four kids, living on a golf course for all these years. And now I'm in a mobile home with getting free lunch money from school.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  How debilitating that was and demeaning, but that led me to the river.

• 5:32AJ Gentile?

  What, what led you to the river? What was that decision?

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Well, it wasn't my decision, but it was, I started back to work. Just the first job, my dad convinced me to go out and look after a big house that he was contracted to build on the coast, two hours away. So I took a crew of men and had them working there. And we worked four months in oh six from October to December. And when December comes along, it was right before Christmas, I didn't need to go back. We, we were down to the last 10% of what they owed us. Um, doing a punch list. So on the, on the first day or second of January, I sent the

• 6:17Speaker 03

  crew back, told them to, to do their work and bring me a check back. And that's exactly what they did on January the 8th of that day. They called me, hey boss, we got your job done. We'd like to celebrate. We don't have to drive out of town for anymore. It'd been four months. They'd been going in and two hours away. And so I was at home, my wife was at home. She was off with the rest of the kids, but it was Chris Junior and I there. And so we agreed to go fishing in the middle of the day in January. And it was about 2:30 when we got to the river. And of course, I was very, um, I was having

• 7:00Speaker 03

  a hard time mentally, you know, depressed and struggling about. And so I didn't fish. I had my son there. He's 17 then. These three grown men, they were crew leaders. They were doing roofing and framing and that. People that worked with our family for my dad for years and years. And so I thought it'd be nice to get Chris Junior down out of the house. And, um, so we get to the river, 2:30 and I left walking. I told them, once I got them set up and I left walking, um, about 3:30 or 4:00.

• 7:35AJ Gentile?

  Why did you let off?

• 7:36Speaker 03

  Uh, well, I was wanting to get away and think, you know, I wasn't into fishing. I just wanted to make sure they were in there. They were, I'm a manager, right? So I managed crews of men. And I felt like they were, they were sitting on the bank with a little stick with forks and poles. And so they were all set up.

• 7:54AJ Gentile?

  They're good.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're good. I'm gonna go find, I'm gonna go talk to whoever's up there.

• 7:59AJ Gentile?

  Okay. So you had the intention?

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:02AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Yes. So I left walking and I went, imagine you go to the dead end of a cul-de-sac, drive down in the woods and it dead ends into a round grassy area, about an acre. Well, I walked on in the cul-de-sac to the back of it, looking for deer, really not looking for anything but away time, right, for me. So I'm sitting beside a big tree and it starts getting dark in the woods a lot earlier than out in the open and so.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  I think it was four forty-five, I come walking out of the woods and walked up to where they were fishing and I said, "You guys wanna go home or you wanna fish some more?" And they're like, "We just got here, we wanna do some more." I said, "Well, it's gonna get cold tonight, better get a fire going." So we, everybody stopped fishing and all four of us, there were five of us, it was me, Chris Jr., and three guys, there were five, all five of us went around the cul-de-sac picking up dead wood, dead fall, and had a huge pile of woods standing, sitting beside the bank and a little fire going. So about ten after five, that was, the fire was going and I said, "You know, it's gonna

• 9:15Speaker 03

  be dark soon, I'm gonna walk up to the field, the way we came in, not the end of the cul-de-sac." So I went, walked a quarter mile up to the field. And it's up, it's uphill, it's a hundred foot of elevation from the riverbank where we were fishing to this cornfield, it's flat, you know, there's a gate, and I'll share the photos of where the gate, where I was standing. And just before I got to the top of that hill, and it's about fifteen or twenty minutes after five now, so it's not dark yet, you know, it probably didn't get fully dark until the sun was setting behind the trees when I got up there.

• 10:00Speaker 03

  I walked up that hill and when I got near the top, I could see the trees on the far side, I couldn't see the field because it's up here, but I could see what I thought was the top of the sun sticking up, right above the hill up there. And I looked down because it was muddy and I'm walking, I'd look up and I'd walk another step. And when I got up to the top of that hill where I could see, I said, "Dang, that don't look like the sun, that's really weird." It was fire going around this thing. So I looked down, took two more steps, and when I did, I could see a wider peripheral because, you know, I got trees on either side and the higher up I get, the more my view spread.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  There was another one sitting right beside it that I didn't see to start with. So now I've got two huge balls of fire.

• 10:52AJ Gentile?

  How far away are they?

• 10:53Speaker 03

  They were probably 300 yards.

• 10:55AJ Gentile?

  Okay, good ways away.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  200 feet in the air, sitting right above the trees. And, and there's this flame going around them and these little tips of fire was shooting off of these things. So I immediately froze. I was, I'm a commercial rated pilot. I knew what I was looking at wasn't anything from us at all. And I'd never really studied UFOs. I was dealing with poor children and sickness, right? And so it scared me. And I squatted down. I actually got down on my stomach and I raised my head up and looked above the hill. Cause I've still got some more hill in front of me. And I'd look at it and I, I was just mesmerized, but I started getting worried. Oh, my son's down the hill.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  I need to get back down there, tell him what I'm looking at.

• 11:45Speaker 04

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• 12:16Speaker 03

  And the minute I decided to run, I had it in my thoughts, I'm gonna run. So I turned my body. I'm looking back behind me at it, you know, and I stood up to run. And the minute I stood up to run, right up here above me, another one appeared and shot down right in front of me. And at that moment, AJ, I knew that it knew what I was thinking. I knew that it saw me and I knew, I felt like a, like I was a, I was captured. I was a lab rat. I didn't, I didn't know what to think. It was just overwhelming knowing.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  That this thing, I was on its radar. That's when it all changed, when it came at me.

• 12:58AJ Gentile?

  You're a hunter, and now you're on the other side.

• 13:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good explanation.

• 13:04AJ Gentile?

  And so, you knew, you knew it was watching you. Was that, was that like an animal instinct? Or did you hear it, feel it?

• 13:13Speaker 03

  I didn't know it was watching me, the two I was looking at. I thought I was, you know, hiding from this thing. But I was thinking, I gotta run, oh my God, what am I looking at? So I'm thinking, and the minute I go to run, this other one appeared. And I knew immediately that it knew that I was gonna run. And it wanted, and it knew, and it, it was connected to my thoughts. And I couldn't get away. It was the first thing, I knew it, I mean. But luckily, uh, they wiped my memory. So I had that moment of fear, and then all of a sudden, oh my God. And then the lights went out.

• 13:54AJ Gentile?

  Just, just everything just went out?

• 13:57Speaker 03

  Went out, dark. And so the next thing I realized, I'm walking up to the fire. I don't remember leaving at the top of the hill. I don't remember any of that. I just remember the last fifty or so feet going up to the fire. So I'm walking in the dark. They can't see me coming. And these three guys were standing at the campfire. They're not fishing no longer. They're standing there, and the fire's burnt down to very little fire. And I left, it was a pretty good sized fire. And, um, I scared them bad when I snuck up on them running. And I'm like, God, you won't believe what I just saw. They're like, where have you been? I said, I was just up at the hill. I've been gone about twenty minutes.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  And they're like, no, you've been gone all night. And we've been looking for you all night.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  I said, "Well, where's Chris Junior?" He wasn't there. And so they said, "Well, he went back in the cul-de-sac where you went earlier today looking for you."

• 14:56AJ Gentile?

  Oh, no.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  "Why, we took your truck and drove up and down the road and one guy stayed at the fire the whole time." And so I panicked. My son's down in that forest and it goes for 50 miles to Wilmington and there's very little to nothing in there. So I was just dreaming he was lost, you know.

• 15:15AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  So I panicked and took off running. Ran to the back of the cul-de-sac where I'd gone in that day. And he knew where I'd gone because he'd been watching me all the time. And I cried out to him. I started shouting for him and nothing, couldn't hear anything. So I started making my way into the forest. I got about 10 feet in there and I heard him getting up off the ground. He was laying on his stomach underneath these real thick shrubs. And he'd come up and he was in tears and he's like, "Oh, my God, Daddy, why'd you leave me?" And I said, "I didn't leave you, son. I just walked up to the field. I've been gone 20 minutes." He said, "No, you've been gone all night. We've been looking."

• 15:59Speaker 03

  So I'm like, "Oh, my God, what's happening to you?"

• 16:02AJ Gentile?

  What happened?

• 16:02Speaker 03

  What's happened? But, you know, I wasn't scared anymore.

• 16:06AJ Gentile?

  You were.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  Not at all. From that point forward, it was like amusement. My son is freaked out. He's in shock. These three guys are in shock. They're terrified, right? So I dragged him back to the fire. They hadn't displayed that yet, but shortly they will. So I took Junior back to the fire where they were standing and they're very quiet because I was telling them about this ball of light I saw at the top of the hill. And Chris Junior's talking about this creature that he had seen coming from a quarter mile away. The road at the end of the cul-de-sac is a quarter mile and then it makes a left up.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Which is only an eighth of a mile, right? So he sees this light come out in the road way down at the end. A red glowing light. He thought it was a camera, I mean, a flashlight. Cause in the military, they use a lot of these red lenses on their flashlights, right? So, and he has guns and infrareds. That's what he thought it was. And there were two of them. They went across the road about three feet off the ground. And then they came back out on the road and they started towards him. And he's standing back calling for me. The closer they got, the more afraid he got.

• 17:25AJ Gentile?

  Can he see what they are at this point?

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, no, he sees these two-

• 17:28AJ Gentile?

  Just lights?

• 17:29Speaker 03

  Two red balls of light about a big coming towards him. So he crawls under these bushes trying to get away just because he's afraid. Couldn't go back to the fire because now it's between him and the fire. Alright, so he's hiding. And they get within fifteen, twenty feet of him. And there are these two little creatures that were glowing. They could turn, it's like a rheostat. They could turn themselves up and glow brighter. Or they could turn themselves down to where they looked almost translucent. And in a dark night, they looked just like almost black figures there, but with red eyes. It was their eyes that were red, that's what he would see.

• 18:11AJ Gentile?

  It's like a humanoid shape?

• 18:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, they looked like humans. In a way, I have a photo, a picture I drew, painted. I'll share with you so you can see. I painted this in 2009. And so anyhow, I don't know what to think. My son's crying. He's upset, he's seeing creatures. He's complaining that I left him, abandoned him. I drag him back to the fire. They're freaked out, these guys are grown men, right? Tough country boys that don't get afraid in the woods. And now they're, they're very quiet. Gina's talking about the creatures, I'm talking about the light. And all of a sudden, one of the guys says, "Look." And we all look up and there's-

• 18:58Speaker 03

  Between eight and nine, maybe ten stars, bright as Venus, that just appeared above us. They just like come on. And then they just started flying around and doing, it's almost like somebody choreographed it.

• 19:13AJ Gentile?

  And they just appear out of the sky, just materialize?

• 19:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, just materialize above us. They were way up there. They were bright as Venus, each one. And they were playing. They were flying out and they'd come back together and we were watching this. And all of a sudden, here comes three down and they land on the other side of the river in front of us. And the river's only sixty or seventy yards wide. It's not a big one, right? So here they are on the other side of the river in the woods. And pandemonium set in. These guys freaked out. I'm not afraid. I'm mesmerized. Whatever they did to me, I was no longer afraid.

• 19:51AJ Gentile?

  I'd be angry at you because you're so peaceful.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they were angry at me. They were panicked. So we ran and jumped in the truck. There's three men in the backseat and Chris and I in the front of a four-door Ford pickup.

• 20:06AJ Gentile?

  They didn't let you drive, I hope?

• 20:08Speaker 03

  I was driving.

• 20:09AJ Gentile?

  You just with your arm out, with the radio on, they're screaming at you?

• 20:14Speaker 03

  Well, I'm starting up the path, right? Out of there. And this road is muddy, real muddy. And the bushes were like scrubbing the mirrors as we went down through there. And they're screaming every breath, "Go, go, go." And Chris Junior's just, "Wanna get home, Dad? I wanna get home." One of them told me, told Mufon when we reported it, that they had witnessed this red ball of light come out of the woods and come following the truck as we were driving up out of there. So undoubtedly, they were still there. They'd never left. They just went invisible.

• 20:48AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  So when we got up to the top of the hill, to where I had my experience, we went up that hill so fast it almost went airborne when I went over. It was a real steep, you know, like an incline there. And there in front of us was the same two red balls of fire in the same exact spot that moved. This is four hours later, right? The third one that appeared and frightened me.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  It's no longer a ball of fire, but a Tic Tac. It's a glowing white egg.

• 21:23AJ Gentile?

  While you're still in the truck?

• 21:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's in the road in front of us. The one that came over and said, "I see you."

• 21:29AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  That's the one that took me. Now it's an egg in the road. It's not red anymore. It's glowing white. It's forty-five, fifty foot long. And it's like a football or an egg.

• 21:40AJ Gentile?

  Can you see that it's a structure? That it's a craft? Or is it just light?

• 21:43Speaker 03

  It was all light.

• 21:44AJ Gentile?

  Just light?

• 21:45Speaker 03

  And there was light was doing this. It's like sparkles of light going around. It almost looked like spikes coming out of it. And this thing just pivots. It's only five feet off the ground. A hundred and fifty yards from us in the road. Pivot starts towards us. And as it gets closer, it starts rising up. Right over my sunroof. I opened the sunroof and watched it through it. And all the guys were looking out. It was probably a hundred feet in the air. Totally silent. And then it pivoted and shot off like out of a canyon to the north. I hit the gas and we took off. And there become a fight between the guys, who gets to go home first.

• 22:26AJ Gentile?

  Are the fire orbs still with you at that point?

• 22:29Speaker 03

  There was just balls of... I haven't seen the fire ones now. We left them. They were still sitting there.

• 22:33AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  So we left because this thing's coming out. It had a path blocked. We couldn't go because the road was blocked. But once it went over, it was beating on my seat. Screaming, "I want to see my wife before us." Over. We thought the world was coming to an end, that we were being invaded. I didn't understand what was happening. You know, it did something to me. Here's an important thing. We left from that point, racing. Only a mile and a half down the street is where I was shot when I was ten years old, right? Or maybe a mile and three quarters. Well, at a mile and a half is where my first wife was killed.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  And I found her there. When I was just a young twenty-one-year-old, twenty-year-old guy. I married this sweetheart that I'd had for four or five years. And... On the eleventh month and twenty eighth day of our marriage, two days before our one year anniversary, I'd been out of town fishing, hunting, uh, not fishing, hunting, my dad and I and some, his hunting club, and we'd taken boats down on the coast and, and we're running dogs on islands, running, chasing deer on islands, right? I grew up doing that.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  And so I knew that she was gonna be at this party out in the country, a bunch of friends, since we were young, we'd always had a cornfield, they'd go hang out in a stout of trouble, right? Sure. And we went to bars and all that, we You'd find trouble somewhere. Yeah, we were out in the country. And, and the law found out about it, and they'd come and raid us every now and then, catch young kids drinking beer and stuff. But, so that's, we were at a party. I came in at nine o'clock and I took off to the party. And, um, I write about this in detail in my book, why I left. Uh, her, one of her old boyfriends was all snuggled up with her when I got there. Uh-oh.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  And it, it, I turned around and I left. I spoke to him and said, I'm going home. So I started home, went two miles down the road and, um, turned around to go back to meet her, cause I, I'm like, I'm not gonna let this guy take what's mine. I was just mad, right? Of course. And so I turned around to go back, and on the way back, in this very sharp curve, there was a, a car laying on its side, was laying, and I could see the bottom side of it, and I hit the brakes and jumped out of the car, didn't know who it was. It was in the front yard of someone's home, that it rolled up, went through the curve and rolled in, over, end up in these people's yard.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  I jumped out, I ran up to the car, looked in, nobody. Didn't still didn't know what car it was, whose it was. It was darkness laying on its side. So, as I'm looking in the car, the front door of the house opens. The tires are still turning on the car.

• 25:43AJ Gentile?

  Just happened.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  And the motor's still running.

• 25:45AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  Laying on its side.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  I ran to the door. Uh, they came out and they looked out, they'd heard it. And I said, "You better call the ambulance, uh, rescue, somebody's probably hurt." I can't find who, who it was. So I left and started back to the road. And that's where I tripped over her, laying in the shade.

• 26:07AJ Gentile?

  This is your first wife, Dana?

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was laying in the shade of the pump house, water pump. But that night, when we left the river, I blamed myself for that all those years, like I could've, that I was part of it, and, uh, but I wasn't, uh, you know?

• 26:24AJ Gentile?

  Have you forgiven yourself at this point?

• 26:26Speaker 03

  I couldn't.

• 26:27AJ Gentile?

  You couldn't?

• 26:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, but that night, when we left the river, everybody's freaking out scared. I'm in La La Land for what had just happened, I don't know, I'm not afraid. It's the biggest thing I remember. So we get to that mile and a half town from where we worked. We go through that curve, here's this big, huge thing hovering right over where she was killed.

• 26:50AJ Gentile?

  Hmm.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  And I slowed down, and I'm trying to stop, and they're beating on my seat, "Don't stop." And I'm like, "I just wanna see, I wanna see." And they're like having nothing to do with it. And it spoke to me, it just put this vision in my head, and it said, "You have to forgive yourself. She's fine, don't worry about this any longer." And so that was the first time in 25 years that I had a piece of peace over that. So all that together, over the next couple of years, is what made me understand this thing was so much bigger than some alien coming from the Pleiades to aggravate me, yeah.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  But anyhow, not to drag that whole event out by too long, we dropped the guys off. Chris Junior and I head home. He didn't want to go back that way, was going back towards the house was that way shortcut because we'd had to drive back under that power line and where this thing was. So we took the long way around. Got home, it was probably 11:30 and Christopher ran through the house locking everything, locking the, he'd open the bathroom door with no wind in it, turned the light on and locked the door. He had every door locked, all the windows shut, all the floodlights on. I'm in my room trying to see on TV, you

• 28:14Speaker 03

  know, if the military is coming. We just know it was an invasion, right? Because it wasn't one, or there was probably 15 in total that we were seeing that night, nine or 10 at once and then the others up on the hill and all.

• 28:28AJ Gentile?

  I've heard Chris Junior talk recently and he still struggles with the story.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, he does, yeah. It was traumatic. You can never get over those things, but you know, he's 36 now and he has a baby on the way, he has two children and one coming. And he's very happy and he understands it now a whole lot more. He ran from it for a long time and it wasn't all his fault. It was pressure from the community and the church that caused a whole lot of problems for us.

• 29:02AJ Gentile?

  Well, when you got home from the experience, your wife, Ava, wasn't there yet?

• 29:10Speaker 03

  No, no, she was off with her mother, staying with her mom. They were doing something for a couple of days. And so we're home, we're home now. The house is locked down. Junior comes in my room where I'm at and he's like, have you seen anything? I'm like, no, this is like total normal. I don't know what's happening.

• 29:27AJ Gentile?

  Are you still peaceful?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I am.

• 29:29AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  But he's not.

• 29:31AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  He's in shock.

• 29:33AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  And suddenly, my dad lived next door. We lived out in the country, our houses beside one another. And he had a dog kennels there. He'd raised hunting dogs all his life. Before I was born, he had dogs. He'd have 30 or 40 all the time. And one time he had 104. But he had fifteen hounds then. And they were, all of a sudden, they started barking, all of them. And hounds bark very loud, big, mouthy, deep voices. And I knew that what they were saying was they were scared. They were doing what I'd call a boo bark, you know, they were woo, woo, woo, woo. You hear dogs do that, they, they hear or see something, but they don't know what it is.

• 30:19AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  I've seen that with bear hunting. You got a bear come out on a dog, the scent along will put them in panic.

• 30:26AJ Gentile?

  Is that what you thought it was, a bear?

• 30:28Speaker 03

  It was a bear or, or a deer or something. So all the dogs are barking. Then I thought, maybe somebody's breaking in dad's shop. First thought that was somebody's breaking in the shop because the dog kennel's next to his garage. He and I shared this big forty foot garage. The, we had boats and fishing gear and tools then. So I'm imagining the dogs seeing somebody going in that shop. And, um, I said, Christopher, he's freaked out now. He's scared these dogs are barking and I'm going outside. I'm going to see who's breaking in that shop. And he didn't want any part of that. He's like, please don't go out there daddy, please don't. And I'm like, look, we won't take a flashlight. We got Rosie here, she's a hundred and ten pound Chesapeake.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  She'll keep anything away from us. Um, we'll just sneak down there and see who we see. Maybe scare them away. And, um, so I opened the door. He had me by the back of the shirt and he'd never turned ill as we walked across the yard into the pathway to the dog kennel. It was down in the woods behind the house.

• 31:35Speaker 00

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• 32:04Speaker 03

  We walk in there and I look and they're all looking out the back of the kennel. They're not looking toward the garage. They're looking in the forest.

• 32:11AJ Gentile?

  Uh oh.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  Behind it. So immediately I thought maybe it's a bear.

• 32:15AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  Because they were barking every breath facing into the forest, all 15, plus my Chesapeake. She's frozen or her hair's standing up and she's pointing in the bushes. So I'm whispering to Chris, I said, "I'm gonna send her in on whoever's in there or whatever. Well, let's just run back out to the back of the property. We'll make a run for it and we'll go back and hide behind this big oak tree and see what she pushes out of there." Typical hunting, that's what we hunted doing that. Try to cut the dogs off, put them in and get in front of them and see what comes out.

• 32:50AJ Gentile?

  They're trained to do this, your dogs.

• 32:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And so I bumped her on the rear and she took off immediately. So we took off running. We didn't have no time. You gotta run hard to get down this path and back to the yard and to the back. And I felt Christopher turn loose when I made a left turn and the grass was getting frosty and I slipped and he turned loose and I thought, "Well, I just outrun him." So I ran hard as I can. I ran up to this tree and stopped myself. Ran up to it in a full run and I'm trying to be quiet, but I'm breathing, you know, heavy breath and I'm trying to calm my breath and I'm against the tree and the dog's coming straight at me.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  And he is very loud, you know, it's quiet at night and this thing you hear it coming through the forest is real loud. So I turned to look back to see if Christopher was coming. And this all happened so quick and when I looked back, he was gone. He didn't, he didn't come. He couldn't stand anymore, so he ran to the house. When he turned loose, he took a right, I took a left.

• 33:56AJ Gentile?

  Yep, yep.

• 33:57Speaker 03

  But when I did, AJ. There standing behind me about arm's length was this little figure, yea tall, which I painted it and it was glowing white.

• 34:09AJ Gentile?

  About three feet, three and a half feet?

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, three feet, no more than three probably. And it had, it was glowing white and it had what looked like a triangle on its chest, a dark area, it was triangle shaped. And it had red glowing eyes, about this big around, and they were round, perfectly round glowing eyes. And it scared me, scared me bad when I saw it. I'm like, oh my god. So I backed myself up to the tree to try to get away from it, but I got a tree, you know, I'm looking at it, so I turn and face it and I drop my hands and I said, I surrender. And the dog's coming, still coming.

• 34:51AJ Gentile?

  Rosie's barking?

• 34:52Speaker 03

  She's barking every breath, coming, very close.

• 34:54AJ Gentile?

  So she sees these?

• 34:55Speaker 03

  Well, she's, yeah, she senses it for sure.

• 34:58AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Um, I think the energy, dogs have a way of seeing things we can't.

• 35:04AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  So it, it is definitely the dog's coming. This all happened very quick. I'm facing this three foot thing that's glowing. I'm panicked that I'm gonna die. I thought it was gonna kill me. And I said, I said, I surrender. I don't mean you any harm. And it said, you don't understand. We're here to help you, not hurt you. That's exactly what it said. And then the dog comes out of the bushes and this thing vanishes right in front of me. It just immediately vanished.

• 35:36AJ Gentile?

  Did it speak or you heard this in your mind?

• 35:38Speaker 03

  I heard it in my mind, loud, sounded like a man's voice, deep, thunderous, loud. That's one of the few times I ever heard, audible voice, you know, you don't hear voices, but I heard that one plain. I heard when the lady came in 2012, this audible voice.

• 35:54AJ Gentile?

  No, I would definitely want to get into the lady.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  Arise, just like that.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  And so it vanishes and when MUFUN did their investigation, that whole tree started decaying and dying and rotted down. They found some kind of something on it that radiated it and killed it. That's what they said. So I go back to the house thinking, how I'm gonna tell Christopher about this, right? I better not say anything.

• 36:23AJ Gentile?

  Good call.

• 36:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. And so I made it to the house and now I'm panicked. I was a smoker then. I had to have a cigarette. I gotta have a cigarette. I'm smoking, you know?

• 36:34AJ Gentile?

  That's why you could not run this thing.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. And so I'm trying to find a cigarette and Chris is like, you can't go outside. You can't go outside to smoke. So I go over to my back of my, in my sunroom and put my feet, knees on the couch and reach over behind and started raising the window up, right? The blinds. I didn't even get the window up. When I raised the blinds, the floodlights on that corner was illuminating this seven foot tall being that was walking towards me, towards the house. I could see it in the floodlight, 20 feet away. That scared me.

• 37:10AJ Gentile?

  What did that look like?

• 37:12Speaker 03

  Like the being on the crabwood crop circle.

• 37:16AJ Gentile?

  Okay. So this is also a humanoid?

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, very tall, skinny thing. And it was, it was scary looking. So I grabbed Junior by the arm. Didn't tell him. I said, we don't want to stay here tonight. We're gonna go somewhere else. So we went four or five miles away and this, because it was midnight, one o'clock, where we're gonna go, right? So we went down to a big hayfield and parked in the middle to where I could see in every direction until the sun come up. I'm having a man as my child, right? He's, he's panicking.

• 37:51AJ Gentile?

  Have you ever heard of the incident at Devil's Den?

• 37:54Speaker 03

  I've heard of Devil's Den, yeah.

• 37:56AJ Gentile?

  It's almost the same creatures.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Really?

• 37:59AJ Gentile?

  It's small creatures with red eyes and a very large being with them.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  Wow, I never knew that.

• 38:05AJ Gentile?

  And they're, they're walking around the forest and they're picking up different objects and surveying them and so forth.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  That's what they were doing with Chris. He was sitting there pinned down under the bushes and they were twenty feet from him, two of them. And one was on its knees picking up bottles and cans and sticks and it would look at him and put him on the ground. While the other one was staring at him the whole time. And he said that he couldn't scream, he couldn't yell, he felt frozen. When it looked at him, he had absolutely no control over his self. He couldn't talk, he couldn't move, and he felt a lot of trauma there.

• 38:42AJ Gentile?

  At Devil's Den, that large creature had a triangle on its chest.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Get the heck out. I'd never heard that.

• 38:47AJ Gentile?

  It shows up in all these stories, the triangle.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  I never heard that.

• 38:51AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  Makes sense why NASA come calling. I said, "We'd like to talk about that little being with the triangle on its chest."

• 38:59AJ Gentile?

  Well, where are we chronologically at this point? So you're at, you're at Junior. Your wife, your wife is back yet?

• 39:06Speaker 03

  She comes back two days later.

• 39:08AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  So this is on a Tuesday night, I think.

• 39:11AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  By the end of the week, Thursday or Friday, she comes home with the other kids and I had the greatest story to tell and it was scaring my wife because, you know, she being raised in the Pentecostal Holy Church and her family is, is, they're a part of the, they're a part of the whole movement. They brought it to North Carolina. They're, her grandmas and ancestors. So they were very big in the conference. So I had that whole power on my head there. It got, it was the first night, that was the first night, the end of the first night.

• 39:54AJ Gentile?

  When you were telling her the story, were you telling it from that position of peace or, because I can't see her reacting positively.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  Well, I was telling her the story and it was, couldn't get a word in because Chris Junior was telling it too, right?

• 40:09AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  And.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  She didn't want to believe it and then when the other guys came, a couple of days later, they came back to the house to, to bring back my fishing poles, because we left everything on the river.

• 40:22AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  We left coolers and all sitting right there, sticks still with the broad rods in them and, um, so she questioned them and immediately the church condemned it as the devil.

• 40:35AJ Gentile?

  How did, how did the church find out?

• 40:38Speaker 03

  Well, my wife's family is the church, my mom and my family, they're all big in the church and we live in the Bible Belt, right?

• 40:46AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  So, the whole community.

• 40:49AJ Gentile?

  Did she tell them because she was worried?

• 40:51Speaker 03

  Well, she was worried how to handle this with the children, because the children were frightened.

• 40:58AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 40:59Speaker 03

  My ten-year-old daughter, um, she thought I was interrupting their school, it, it just disrupted everything, the school, their sleep, and I was a bit, I'd have to say, my wife is a very, I love her, we've been together forty-three years and I couldn't live without her, right? She, she's the calm person, she's the mother, right? And she's worried about school in the morning and I'm like Dustin Hoffman all the time.

• 41:28AJ Gentile?

  With the mashed potatoes?

• 41:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was just like that and I still am. I mean, I came home and she said I looked wild in the eyes, I was just telling her, "Oh my God, you won't believe what happened" and, and when she calls, um, her family and my family and all that, then it turns into, it was a demonic experience, you're playing with the devil, because the Christian church believes, you know, not the Catholics.

• 41:54AJ Gentile?

  No, no, not the Catholics.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  Protestants, they preach this, the devil, not knowing, it's just part of their, any light you see, it, it, it's not of God, it's gotta be evil.

• 42:07AJ Gentile?

  How did you know it wasn't?

• 42:09Speaker 03

  Because it healed me and it told me, "I'm here to help you, not hurt you."

• 42:13AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  But I struggled with what all that, who was it? Was it an alien? Didn't, didn't act like what an alien, it, it knew my prayer, it heard me, so I started researching the Bible and I learned that these chariots of fire.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Immediately it started making sense, so I furthered my research into meeting Dr. Dianapta Salca, and Dr. George Zervos, and a whole lot of other religious scholars and people that know this, and we started digging into the texts and researching, and have still researching.

• 42:51AJ Gentile?

  What did you find in your research of the Bible that tracks with this story?

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Well, this is something, Diana gave me the information.

• 43:01AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  And she said, "I'm gonna give you this, I can't talk about it, but I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna tell you this, I want you to pay attention to what I'm gonna tell you." And that is, in the Bible, throughout the Bible, Mark, Matthew, Luke, Revelations, and even in Exodus, there's something called "the clouds of heaven." This will be in my next book, by the way. But the clouds of heaven. I'm like, "What is that, Diana?" And she said, "Well, these clouds, some of them are talking, some of them are shining, some of them are feeding people, some of them are protecting people."

• 43:40Speaker 03

  For example, Exodus, it says, "And an angel of the Lord went before the children of Israel for thirty-eight years in a pillar of a cloud." Pillar meaning a pylon or cylinder, right? Wherever that thing went for thirty-eight years, they camped underneath it. It fed them manna in the morning, and it gave them shade by the day and warmth and light at night. For thirty-eight years, right? Matthew 26, Matthew 24, talks about Jesus. "When I come back, I'm coming in the clouds of heaven, or on the clouds of heaven. I'm gonna come back the way I left from here."

• 44:25Speaker 03

  And he left, it says he left, he was taken up in a cloud. So Diana educated me on this very carefully, and there's just tons of evidence.

• 44:36AJ Gentile?

  Do you know Daniel 10?

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 44:40AJ Gentile?

  Um...

• 44:43AJ Gentile?

  Talks about the, the, he's made of topaz, he's made of light?

• 44:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:49AJ Gentile?

  If that's the right book.

• 44:51Speaker 03

  Well, that, that, uh, Daniel, chapter 10, talks about his angelic vision, what he saw. Daniel saw an angel. Daniel, chapter 10, talks about, and there stood before him, this, this angel that was glowing, and it was so shiny, it looked like topaz, and it had red eyes like fire.

• 45:13AJ Gentile?

  Like torches.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, like fire, torches, yeah.

• 45:17AJ Gentile?

  And in Ezekiel 40, he talks about meeting a messenger made of shiny bronze, who shows them this temple of the future.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, crazy, huh?

• 45:28AJ Gentile?

  And then, in Enoch 19, Archangel Uriel takes him up above the clouds, and shows him the origins of the wind and, and the earth, and takes him over Egypt and all these places. And I thought, do you had an experience kind of like that, didn't you?

• 45:48Speaker 03

  That's where he took me. So, I, I didn't know what happened during those four hours, yeah, what happened. I had no clue. But after Dr. O'Connell came from Harvard and he started working on me, he said, "You'll remember it all over time."

• 46:02AJ Gentile?

  He was a student of Dr. Mack, no?

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Yep, John Mack, he was trained under Mack.

• 46:06AJ Gentile?

  So, John Mack, for folks listening, um, was an expert psychi- psychiatrist, award-winning at Harvard, who specialized in abduction and experiencers.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, he actually started all this research.

• 46:17AJ Gentile?

  Yes, he did.

• 46:18Speaker 03

  Well, Dr. Michael O'Connell was a student of his and got his degrees there. And, um, he, he started helping me, um, with hypnosis to get rid of this headache that I had. Every time I tried to think about what happened, I'd get this massive headache, and I would eventually pass out. Did it numerous times in front of investigators, my wife was, would tell you. You keep asking him them questions, he's not gonna, he's gonna pass out on you. Because it, it was such a block in there, it would become this pressure, and it would get so painful that I would just go, I'd blackout.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  He removed that to where I could think about it and it wasn't painful anymore. And he said, "If you learned everything overnight, it would probably cause you to melt down. So, we're gonna program your subconscious to reveal everything over time."

• 47:15AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  That's what he did. So, immediately, I started dreaming, all kinds of weird dreams. And I would start yelling and crying in my sleep and all this. And it started scaring my wife and the kids. I'd go to bed early, because I'd get up early. They, the night owls, they'd come sneaking in the room, because they'd hear me and record me in my sleep, talking and stuff.

• 47:40AJ Gentile?

  What were you saying?

• 47:41Speaker 03

  I was saying all kinds of things. In fact, one crazy thing I was saying is that they took me to Egypt. It was like a virtual tour, being inside a bubble, something clear, round. I could touch the walls, but I couldn't see it. And I was looking at the Sphinx and the pyramids and Hathor's temple and all these obelisks and stuff. And they were narrating what I was seeing. I started first getting images, not the information.

• 48:14AJ Gentile?

  Were they narrating like a tour guide in a museum?

• 48:17Speaker 03

  Yep, yep.

• 48:18AJ Gentile?

  So, there wasn't like a message?

• 48:21Speaker 03

  It was just, "This is Hathor's temple. This is..." Well, I didn't know what it was. I just saw it, right?

• 48:27AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  And so, that caused me to get into deep research into Egypt. And I met Dr. Robert Gilbert, that ran the Vesica Institute. You know, it was sacred geometry is what he taught. Sadly, he passed away last year. But he made a lot of sense to what I was seeing. So, it's been a long journey trying to figure it out. I don't have the answers like everybody thinks. It's more, the more I learn, the more I learn, I don't know, right?

• 49:03AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  It's just the big, it's just so big, we can't imagine what is around us. But they took me up over the Midwest. I saw...

• 49:18Speaker 03

  What I was crying in fear about, my wife recorded. One particular thing was, I was saying in my sleep that they were showing me Bigfoot on Mars, of all things.

• 49:29AJ Gentile?

  Oh, come on.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  I'm not joking. I saw it in a dream or asleep, I was asleep, that she recorded that. But I remember seeing it in the dream, you know, landing in this bubble and here comes walking up these creatures that were furry looking. So she's asking me questions and I'm answering in my sleep. But it all began to center around the scary thing was. And this is what got the powers that be interested even more, is that I saw the sun start to grow in size in the sky.

• 50:12AJ Gentile?

  Before you get to that, is this before what you call in your book your five years of darkness?

• 50:19Speaker 03

  This was in the five years of darkness.

• 50:22AJ Gentile?

  Can you tell me a little bit about how you went from this experience where you're feeling peaceful and then now five years of dark, that's a lot of darkness, what happened?

• 50:33Speaker 03

  Well, why I call it that is I came home with a story that I'm Dustin Hoffman. They're looking at me like, look, he's crazy, he's lost it, you know, because I'm saying all this weird stuff, right? And I'm really like Dustin Hoffman, I'm obsessed with it bad and I couldn't control it. And that turned into a backfire, because the more I talked about it, the worse it got. And it got so bad that I come home one day and there's a...

• 51:11Speaker 03

  The sheriff pulls up in the yard and these social workers and it got so bad that at school, at elementary schools and high schools, they were questioning my kids because I was on TV now and made a DVD in 2008, you know, MUFON did that and promised to vindicate me and they made it worse, five and far.

• 51:33AJ Gentile?

  That was a hit job.

• 51:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was a hit job. And so now I've got the school questioning my kids. Next thing I know, social services is at my house trying to take me out of the house for my family. So, all this is the darkness for five years this went on, it was just constant.

• 51:51AJ Gentile?

  This might be too personal a question, but is your wife on your side at this point?

• 51:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, she's on my side, but it's out of control now, right? Everybody, she's just trying to be a mom and live her normal life and raise her four kids, right?

• 52:08AJ Gentile?

  Are you still welcome in church?

• 52:11Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, no. They told me if I had to completely stop talking about this, if I ever wanted to be involved in the church anymore and I'm like, sorry, I am having church. To me, it is church. It's not evil, it's not the devil. It's something much greater and I aim to pursue that.

• 52:35AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  So, yeah, they kind of gave me that ultimatum there. Although I've been a couple of times during Easter or Mother's Day, you know, that I'll go with the wife, but...

• 52:48AJ Gentile?

  Well, I want us to take a break in just a minute, but can you give us, before we go to break, that final scene, that final moment in the five years of darkness where you went out?

• 53:02Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah, that's when it all changed.

• 53:04AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, and then when we come back, we can get into...

• 53:07Speaker 03

  Okay, good. So... Five years of fighting, social services, fighting. The community's ridicule so bad. It was so bad, I wouldn't go to the grocery store anymore. I'd hold my head down. And here, I'm working with NASA, right? I've got NASA scientists at my house. And I'm down at Cape Canaveral, and all these places. Well, I ain't got to Cape Canaveral yet, but I'm with NASA. It was a NASA scientist, Al Pabamire, went to my mom and dad's house and said, "You need to listen to your son. He's not lying."

• 53:40AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, don't worry, gang. We're gonna get into all that in a moment.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  So, at the end of five years, it was Easter of 2012. I was so beat down that Richard Dreyfus in me had gone into hiding now in shame. The zeal that I had hadn't gone away, but the wall I was hitting is now affecting my kids because my kids are coming home crying.

• 54:09AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  They're being made fun of in school, picked on in the hallways, and called out in class by teachers and children. So I got, I went to bed that night at 9:30. It was a Saturday night of 2012 before Easter. So that morning, Sunday morning's Easter, right? I walked out about nine o'clock, and I looked up at the heavens, and it killed me to say it because I was so deeply moved by what happened. And the Richard Dreyfus experience, and to talk to it, and to find more, this is all I wanted. And I had to concede. I let the community beat me down, and the church, and the family, and I say extended family.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  Our family's big in our town. We've been there since the 1700s, so there's two, three hundred cousins that live around or relatives in that town.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  So I went out and I shouted at the heavens, "Why did you do this to me? Now I've ruined my children's lives. I was sick. Thank you for healing me. I lost everything, now I have nothing. It's worse. I can't even get a job now. Nobody will hire me. And I've put in for several jobs. I needed work. I couldn't get any work. Not even family members would hire me. People that worked for me. It got that bad. So I shouted at God and I said, "I quit. I'll never talk about this again to save my children and what's left there." And I went to bed at nine thirty. At, um, three o'clock in the morning.

• 55:49Speaker 03

  And I know it was three because when I heard this voice, I heard it. It was so loud, it woke me up out of a dead sleep. My clock, my alarm clock on the counter, back then we had the digital ones. Now you don't have those anymore. It said three AM. So I heard it and I stood up and I was set up in the bed and I could see movement. Just flare, uh, this is not very clear, but I could see movement at the bed in my room.

• 56:17AJ Gentile?

  Let's stop there. Let's take a break there.

• 56:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 56:20AJ Gentile?

  It's a good spot for a break.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  Good.

• 56:22AJ Gentile?

  Uh, we'll be right back. It's Easter 2012 and you shout, "I'm done. I don't want any more to do with this. You ruined my life." You wake up three AM and...

• 56:32Speaker 03

  This voice.

• 56:34AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  That said, "Arise." And it sounded like the deepest manly voice I'd ever heard. So I wake up, I see this movement at the end of my bed and I'm like, "Who said that? I know you're in here." Those are the very words I said. And I don't know what happened, um, how they're able to control our movements and what we do. Maybe they can turn time off, I don't know. But I got up, fully dressed. I was in my underclothes, right? Now I'm in full blue jeans, socks, coat, and I'm heading outside.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  So I walk behind these shadowy figures, following them.

• 57:17AJ Gentile?

  You're not afraid?

• 57:18Speaker 03

  No, I haven't been afraid since.

• 57:20AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  Ever since what happened to me, I lost all fear.

• 57:24AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 57:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. I invited, you know, when it says not here to hurt, and I knew that, I still know that. So I'm following it, and it leads me out to the dog kennel, right where Chris Junior and I put Nellie in the forest and said, "Go get him." They were standing in the same spot. And one of these shadowy figures hands me something. It stops and it reaches out and it hands me this object. And I said, "This is yours, you must keep." That's what it said. So I reached out and I took it. And when I did, it felt like holding a hedgehog, how they had little spikes on them. It felt prickly. So I dropped it on the-

• 58:09AJ Gentile?

  No head or tail?

• 58:10Speaker 03

  No head, no tail. It just felt like a bag of bones, like an animal with no legs, no head and tail.

• 58:16AJ Gentile?

  You're describing a tribble from Star Trek.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 58:20AJ Gentile?

  Okay, so you dropped it?

• 58:21Speaker 03

  I dropped it and it said, "No, you must keep this." So I reached down, "Pick it up," it said, "You must keep this." So I reached down to pick it up, and I'm juggling the thing, scared of it. I don't know what I got, it's dark, right? And I look up and they're gone. So I'm standing at the dog kennel. So I reached over and I thought, "I'm gonna not let it get away, I'm not gonna lose it." I open the dog kennel, set it in, close the door.

• 58:44AJ Gentile?

  Are the dogs in there?

• 58:46Speaker 03

  Uh, no, they're-

• 58:47AJ Gentile?

  Okay, okay. So whatever this is, is not, is safe from the-

• 58:49Speaker 03

  Right, so all the dogs are gone.

• 58:50AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  This is five years later. And, um, the minute I closed that door, I felt this blast of air. This wind just hit me like physical wind. And it wasn't the trees, it wasn't the wind, like you, it was concentrated, it was in front of me. It was almost like somebody blasted me with an air blower. Caught me off balance and pushed me over backwards. So I fell to my back in the leaves, right where all this happened with the dog and, you know, in 2007. Um, and-

• 59:32Speaker 03

  As I'm falling backwards, I see what was coming at me out of this black- blackness. It's like I'm looking at an oak tree, but now I can't see it. I see the tops of it, but this hole opens up and out comes this bull, like a huge cow. Runs right over me and I could see through it. It was translucent. I could see the stars up in it. And it was just so quick and so powerful, it scared me because of the force from the wind and this thing. I grew up on a farm, right? Working, my neighbor had a dairy farm, had cows, we had pigs.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  But the minute it went over, I land on my back and I roll to my stomach, so now I'm facing behind me. And I'm getting up to run, all in the same time. And when I do, there's no longer a cow there, standing, not standing. About six to eight feet from me is floating this most beautiful woman from, from heaven. So I could say, you would think it's an angel, or whatever it is. And she looks at me, and she leans towards me, and she looks at me and she says, "You know why I'm here, and I know why."

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  Because it was hard for me to, to fuss at God and whatever it was, I still, still try not to label this, right? Because we really don't know. And it's up to everybody to experience it, figure it out on their own. But she says, "You know why I'm here. You're not gonna quit." She said, "This is your burden you have to bear." And she said, "If you'll continue to do this, I promise you I'll be with you and I will help you. And on top of that, I'll allow you to fill my presence and let you share us with others." Before, I couldn't film it. That's one of the things that made me so angry.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  I'd go out and there's an orb hovering 100 feet over the house, golden orb. Pull my camera out and it says, "Mam record error. Camera don't work anymore." Or every time it would appear, when I'd get the camera out, it'd disappear. They wouldn't let me film it. So I'll never forget, right after that, I started a mass in a database. Never had any information, but now I've got a lot.

• 1:02:02AJ Gentile?

  Chris, you mentioned that you were shown Hathor's temple. I don't know if you know this, but she's the goddess of maternity and motherhood. And according to ancient Egypt, she is the sky. She came before everything.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  Sophia.

• 1:02:23AJ Gentile?

  Yes, which I think in Greek is wisdom. And Hathor is depicted as a cow in ancient Egypt. And whenever she's depicted as a human, she always has horns.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  Well, she told me that, because I asked who she was, and she says she had many names. That she was from, she was called Hathor in Egypt. And that resonated with me because the first thing that showed me was Egypt, right? And I saw the faces of Hathor carved in the temples, and it's like cow ears and stuff.

• 1:03:01AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:03:01Speaker 03

  And so immediately that resonated. But she said she had many names in many countries, many cultures, from Diana to Demeter to Hera to the white buffalo calf lady in the American Southwest.

• 1:03:17AJ Gentile?

  American Southwest, Hinduism, Buddhism, Lakshmi. Could it be Mary? Could it be?

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  Well, I suppose it could be, but in my research, I know that the word spirit, the definition of a spirit, nobody really understands that, but it's the wind, right? And the word Holy Spirit is the breath of God. Well, that most impactful thing to me was not only seeing and hearing, but the wind that pushed me over. The cow running over, I saw it, but the wind physically, it frightened me. It hit me so hard, you know what I mean? So here's this force that came at me, only to reveal itself as the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen. So I went from extreme fear to, oh, my God, what am I looking at?

• 1:04:13Speaker 00

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• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  And she's allowed me to share her presence or the orbs with everyone.

• 1:04:47AJ Gentile?

  Yes, she has. Every... All those men that were on that trip with you, that fishing trip, have all come forward and corroborated your son has said has happened. I think orb sightings in your presence are now numbering in the thousands. Hundreds of people have seen them.

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  Thousands.

• 1:05:06AJ Gentile?

  Thousands of people.

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've had a thousand at one time.

• 1:05:10AJ Gentile?

  So now, I don't know what to call her, the divine feminine or whatever. Now you're back on your mission.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:05:24AJ Gentile?

  So take us back through Crohn's disease, which is a very difficult disease with no cure.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  Horrible.

• 1:05:32AJ Gentile?

  And you were cured of that.

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  It's gone. I went to Chapel Hill. A doctor sent me to Chapel Hill to find out if where it had gone to, if the markers were still there and there are no markers and...

• 1:05:45AJ Gentile?

  When did that happen? When were you cured?

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  I was cured in 2007. 2009, I came down with rheumatoid arthritis. And it really didn't get bad, but I know to me that rheumatoid came on from the stress during those five years. And I'm in remission now. It did a lot of damage, but even the rheumatoid doctor said, well, maybe even Gary Nolan, Gary Nolan told me that it probably was a reprieve from the Crohn's and it came back as RA.

• 1:06:22AJ Gentile?

  Could be.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  I went to Chapel Hill. At Chapel Hill, I have the paper I'll share with you. It says there's absolutely no...

• 1:06:30AJ Gentile?

  I believe you.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  No marker there. It did not move from one to the other, so...

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was...

• 1:06:39AJ Gentile?

  And this healing ability, unbelievably, you have shared with others.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:47AJ Gentile?

  Can you talk a little bit about that? Because when I say "share with others," I don't mean a boy in your neighborhood. I mean, you've been summoned to the White House and...

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, um, um, that was part of what she gave me when she came in 2012.

• 1:07:04AJ Gentile?

  Did it start with Nellie?

• 1:07:05Speaker 03

  It started with my dog, Nellie, yeah. And that's, and believe it or not, she came back in 2013. It didn't happen the first year in 2012. 2013, she came back. And she told me on 2013 about the, the thing with Iran and Israel. So it was 2013 is when I first got that information. And that's the year that, that I was asked to put it right into the Pentagon.

• 1:07:31AJ Gentile?

  What did she see between Iran and Israel?

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  She, she, yeah, she said, "When you see Israel and Iran begin to exchange missiles," and I saw them in vision, you know, they give you telepathic, you see, it's like looking at a television, really. That's what it kinda looks like. She said, "When you see these happen, that's when we're going to come in and we're going to start waking up the population. We're going to reveal ourselves, which will change the consciousness of people." So all this new knowledge is about disclosures, about consciousness, and, and they're going to make it happen because it, it, it tames people. It opens us up. It turns us into psychic beings. It gives us power. A lot of things, this does.

• 1:08:20AJ Gentile?

  All right. We'll get back to that in a little bit. Can you tell, can you just start with Nellie? It's such a touching story. Then what happens from...

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  So this is how this went down. 2013, she comes.

• 1:08:31AJ Gentile?

  And there are pictures of all of this?

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's witnesses, a lot of witnesses. So, 2013, Easter, she comes. Two weeks later, two weeks after Easter, uh... This journalist, UFO, he's a UFO researcher out of Canada, good friend of mine, a guy I really have a lot of liking for is Grant Cameron. Grant is on the way from, from Congress, they were doing this mock Congress thing in Washington, and he calls me, says, "I'm going to Florida to do an event down there and would love to stop on the way and visit you." I said, "Why don't you come stay the night?" He says, "Okay." Comes, he stays two days. He goes to Florida.

• 1:09:16Speaker 03

  He calls me on the way back and he's like, "Man, can I just stop back by? I'd like to at least take pictures of the burning tree." I didn't get to do that while I was there, and so...

• 1:09:25AJ Gentile?

  The burning tree?

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's something else that happened right after the lady come. I'll show you this. I have the video of it.

• 1:09:33AJ Gentile?

  There's so many biblical connections to this story.

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, true. It's a true story. We have it on video. And I'll get back to Grant and Nellie, right? So in October of 2013, October, that year, no, October of 2012, 13, 2012, because Grant come on 2013, right? October of 2012, right after the lady come, she came in April, here it is October. It had been raining for two days. My wife and I, children were living next to my dad on a six-acre property, right? Six hundred feet deep property and probably 500 feet wide or something like that.

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  And I was a smoker then. That's when I quit smoking. I quit smoking in October 2012 after the lady came and seeing this. I wouldn't want to smoke anymore, right?

• 1:10:31AJ Gentile?

  Good idea.

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  So, we were watching TV, my wife and I.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  I said, "I gotta smoke." So I paused the movie we were watching on the cable vision. But, okay, well, I paused it. I walked out the back door, lit up a cigarette. I'm on the back patio. It was a concrete patio. The wife says, "I'll be out in a minute." And so she's walking by the back door. It was a full glass door. And she looks out at me through the glass and sees way back in the back of the property, this tree, what looked like somebody lit a couple of bottle rockets off from the ground and they shot up and they did this, right? She sees that and says, "What..." She opened the door. She said, "What's going on with that tree?" I said, "I have no idea, but I saw that too."

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  And then all of a sudden, sparks would poof out three feet and they would, they would just kind of do like fireworks it looked like. Then suddenly, poof, this thing erupted into flames and it's burning 12 feet in the air. From the inside of the tree is burning and it's shooting up through the tops. She freaks out. "Oh, my God, how did this happen?" And we run out and anyhow, Ryan, my son, he takes his iPad. He's got it in his hand and he starts filming this, this tree just spontaneously combusted in our backyard. So I run a hosepipe all the way out there, give it to my wife and she puts it up in the tree inside of it and sprays it all and puts it out.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  Messed her up so bad, she couldn't sleep, couldn't think. That was at 9:30. At 12 o'clock, she walks by the back door and looks and it's burning again. It's burning again. So we go out and we put it out, the second time. At 3:00 a.m., she can't sleep. She goes by the door. There it is, burning again. So she puts it out the third time, 9, 12, and 3. And so Grant is there wanting to see this tree. I have a video. I'll share that burning tree video. It's under my name, Chris Bloodsaw Burning Tree. You can look that up on YouTube. It's been there since way back then.

• 1:12:48Speaker 03

  And that tree became very famous. I bet it did. A lot of people would bring articles of clothing and all and put it in the tree and healings, what happened and stuff. So, April 2013.

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  Grant Cameron comes, two weeks after Easter. And we walk out to the tree, we look at the tree, and stand around it 20 minutes conversate. And he's got his camera all in it and around it, right? And my black Labrador, Nellie, is laying beside us. She just walked where we're laying to lay down, right? So she's been with us the whole time. Grant's like, "Okay, I'm done." So we start back to 75 yards from back there to the back door of the house. All my kids are standing on the patio. They have friends there. Grant's got his camera in his hand, he's been filming the tree, right? And Nellie, and Grant and I walk right up to the patio, stop, short of the patio.

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  I'm standing on the dirt, he's standing on the patio between me and the house. He's looking at me, I'm looking at the house. Nellie's laying here beside us, right? I said, "Grant, if you want, I'll get the kids to get your bags out of the car and you can just stay the night with us." And he's like, "Oh, that'd be fabulous." So immediately, he turns his back to me and starts toward the door. So the back door's open. We live in the country, I heat it with wood, it didn't have heat. And so I'd leave the doors open that time of year, and windows and all. And so Nellie takes off to beat us in the door. You know, a dog would do that, to try to cut you and get in front of you. But she did it.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  And when she did, I saw her go by and blood shoot out of her neck, right out of the side of her neck, a long stream of blood. Wet down Grant's pants. There's a string of blood going right on into back of the house. And I ran in the door, "Oh, my God," and I tackled her on the floor. And it's LV plank flooring, you know, it's real slippery. Especially with blood, it's a slippery thing. I tackle her, and I drag her back out the house. She's about 80 pounds, heavy, and me with rheumatoid arthritis, you know, it was adrenaline that kicked in. So I drag her out and I lay her on the patio, and we're all looking, and Grant's standing there with the camera.

• 1:15:14Speaker 03

  And she's got a hole in her neck, this long, right across her vein. We don't know how it got there. My friend at NASA, the dragon, he suggested maybe I should look into healing, because maybe the phenomenon's trying to tell me something. So I didn't think about it, but...

• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  That's what happened, but um. Here's how it went. She's laying there bleeding to death. I got my hand on her neck. Blood's coming up through my fingers. Every time her heart would beat, blood would shoot out. It's all over the floor, patio, some Grant's pens.

• 1:15:54Speaker 03

  So I knew at that moment she wasn't gonna live. Cause we're thirty minutes from a vet, out in the country, twenty-five. She's gonna bleed, bleed to death before I can even get her in the car. There's just that much blood. And uh, so I just kinda, I, I can remember blocking everyone out. I didn't realize who was standing there at that moment. I just looked up at heaven and I said, "Lord, you gotta help her, she's gonna die." And the minute I said it, I felt her struggle, this, she went limp. And the picture I'll share with you has her laying there completely limp, didn't even wiggle. It went on for a while to where I had Chris Junior go get a rag. I thought, "Maybe we could put pressure on it and help it, stop the hole."

• 1:16:38Speaker 03

  So he went in and got a washcloth, right? So, everybody sees what's happening. But the minute I said the prayer, and she went limp, I lifted the washcloth up her neck and the hole was disappeared, it was gone. And she just stood up and waggled her tail and walked away.

• 1:16:57AJ Gentile?

  Like nothing happened?

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  Like nothing happened. And Grant saw it, he documented it. He wrote a paper on it, an article or two.

• 1:17:05Speaker 03

  And so, I told that to my NASA friends. And I told it to someone. Uh, after the lady came, a whole lot of people started showing up.

• 1:17:16AJ Gentile?

  Well, when did, when did the government first?

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  Two thousand and eight.

• 1:17:21AJ Gentile?

  How did, how did they find you? How did they?

• 1:17:25AJ Gentile?

  Did you report what happened?

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  I reported it, well, let's just say in two thousand and seven is when it happened, right, in January. Under my wife's wishes not to ever talk about it anymore because it was interrupting the children and the schedule, I decided I wouldn't talk about it and try to hold. But I'm Richard Dreyfuss, right?

• 1:17:48AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:17:48Speaker 03

  I gotta talk about it.

• 1:17:49AJ Gentile?

  You have to.

• 1:17:50Speaker 03

  And so I went in agony. I went in depression and slept in my little office for October, ten months. I went and talked to my wife. I was so upset, felt restricted. And, but I understood her position with the kids, right? But I had so much anxiety and I just had to talk to somebody. So I went on the computer and found this outfit called MoveOn and said, "Report your sighting." So I wrote it up and I didn't hit send because I knew if I did, I might lose my family.

• 1:18:28AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  So for two weeks there, I looked at it in agony. I finally hit the button. And the very next day, I get a call out of California from a guy named Jim Demonti, I think his name was. And he's like, "Man, that's this, we want to come visit and we want to investigate." And I'm like, "Hold on, I just wanted to tell somebody. I don't want your hair, this is going to cause me a problem." So I said, "No, thank you." So January comes along. This is October. They're calling me every week and I kept telling them.

• 1:19:02AJ Gentile?

  MoveOn's calling.

• 1:19:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, every week. And January comes. They called me and said, "We're going to officially close the case if you don't want to talk about it." They'd already opened the case file. I said, "Well, okay, I'll talk about it." So within a week, but within, by February of that year of twenty, two thousand and eight, I allowed them to come in February. So it happened in January of two thousand and seven. So I'm February of oh eight, right? A year and a month later. And.

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  We, um, shoot, I forgot where I was going with that.

• 1:19:37AJ Gentile?

  We were, when, how the government first.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, um, when I reported it, Jim Simy Van told me that he knew the very minute that I reported it.

• 1:19:47AJ Gentile?

  Cause then someone's saying MUFON and the government have a little bit of a...

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  It's all the same.

• 1:19:51AJ Gentile?

  It's all the same.

• 1:19:52Speaker 03

  It's a data gathering apparatus, that's all they do is they gather data and they use, um, volunteer people to do it. So they, you get a sighting, they ask you, "Hey AJ, since you had that sighting, you wanna become an investigator for MUFON?" And it's exciting, right? And they can tell if you're, you're like Richard Dreyfuss.

• 1:20:12AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  You'll fall for it every time. And, uh, they tried to give me a training manual and, and, but I never, because what happened next was terrible. Uh, this is 2008, February. By March, they had six or seven investigators at my house all the time and they were convincing me to do a documentary on discovery. "We're gonna vindicate you." This was a month, uh, two months after I met them, they already had it in place. By June, they had the whole thing shot and I was determined to, to prove myself that, you know, I saw this, it really happened and the community said, "No, it didn't, you know,

• 1:20:56Speaker 03

  you're dealing with the devil." Long story short, um, it backfired.

• 1:21:02AJ Gentile?

  Yes, it did. MUFON did a hit job on you.

• 1:21:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:06AJ Gentile?

  And, um, what everyone points to is that you didn't pass the lie detector test.

• 1:21:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:21:12AJ Gentile?

  Which, on my channel, I tell everybody that, that those things do not work.

• 1:21:18Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:21:19AJ Gentile?

  But what's not emphasized is you passed a psychiatric exam perfectly.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:24AJ Gentile?

  A perfectly sane man.

• 1:21:26Speaker 03

  Yep. And, and the lie detector was a, a, it was a farce. They gave me 34 questions, you're only supposed to have three or four questions, you know?

• 1:21:36AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  But they asked me 34 over and over for two hours and, um...

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  It was an abusive thing. The whole thing was abuse. They came in and filmed this show. And I write about this in the book, where they, my little children are so excited Hollywood's coming. Right, my daughter's ten, eleven years old. Here they come. And they, they got this assistance going around, a lot like your staff, they're working for the support of the thing. And they come and they take my kids' orders for dinner, or they're gonna send out for dinner. And we were all, you know, they're all in my house. They took my whole house over. There's seventeen people in their crew. My whole house is rearranged, couches moved, furniture, cameras. They go out and get dinner, took our order.

• 1:22:23Speaker 03

  And when they got back, the kids just went to the table and they didn't have any food for us. And the producer said, "Well, you guys weren't in the budget."

• 1:22:35AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:22:37Speaker 03

  So they sat there in my house, ordered food and ate without feeding us. And I knew then I was in a mess.

• 1:22:43AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, and then went and aired a hit job on you.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. So that's the kind of thing that happened.

• 1:22:48AJ Gentile?

  And is that where the government?

• 1:22:50Speaker 03

  Well, the government, yeah, Jim said he knew immediately it was a hit job.

• 1:22:54AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:22:55Speaker 03

  Felt sorry for me. And he said, "And I could never talk to you until I retired from CIA." But once I overtly retired, then he, he's the first one I met.

• 1:23:05AJ Gentile?

  Wait, this is Jim?

• 1:23:06Speaker 03

  Simi Van.

• 1:23:06AJ Gentile?

  Jim Simi Van, yeah. Who wrote the foreword on your book?

• 1:23:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:10AJ Gentile?

  So this is a senior CIA official.

• 1:23:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:12AJ Gentile?

  When did you first meet him?

• 1:23:14Speaker 03

  I met him in 2013, right after

• 1:23:17AJ Gentile?

  After the

• 1:23:17Speaker 03

  After the healing.

• 1:23:19AJ Gentile?

  The healing.

• 1:23:19Speaker 03

  But the first government person I met was Dr. Hal Povenmire from NASA.

• 1:23:25AJ Gentile?

  He is a, he is a debunker.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Well, he was.

• 1:23:29AJ Gentile?

  He was.

• 1:23:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, so they sent him to debunk my case.

• 1:23:32AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:23:33Speaker 03

  He's a senior official at NASA for, you know, or a contractor with them, engineer, still holds a security clearance. When he died, fifty-nine, sixty years he was there.

• 1:23:43AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:23:45Speaker 03

  He was serious people, right, but he shows up one day at a, in the fall or summer into the, right after the thing aired in June or July, but in a month, he knocks on my door. My son Ryan calls me, I'm in town, working or something, and he's called his dad. There's this very tall guy from NASA here at the house wants to meet you. I said NASA? He said, yeah, he drove all the way from Kid Cinnarvo by chance to find you. I said, well, tell him to hang around, I'll be there in an hour. So he did. And I was terrified because I'd been told by MUFON's people in the UFO world, they'll kill you.

• 1:24:26AJ Gentile?

  The Men in Black.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're gonna kill you, right? And so we're, the whole family is terrified by this giant of a man, right?

• 1:24:32AJ Gentile?

  This is from the government's never good news.

• 1:24:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. Turned out he was, he was like a family member. He stayed with our family until he died in 2019, Thanksgiving. He was coming, he and Katie, his wife, were coming to visit us for Thanksgiving. He was 80, and he fell and, and hit his head, and he never come to after that.

• 1:24:59AJ Gentile?

  Was he the one who's got you involved in the intelligence community?

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, in a way, that and Jim, but he, he was there in 2008, and he would come every year for two, three, four, five times a year instead. He'd come to my kids' birthdays, he'd come to my daughters' recitals. And he told me, he said, Chris, he told everybody, you know, that's what I did, I debunked everything. I was the one that did that. He said, but I have to tell you, I could not ever debunk you. He said, I found eight witnesses in Graves Creek, where this thing happened on the river. MUFON didn't go out and look. He went and put in the effort.

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  He went to the airport, he went to, he checked behind me, he checked my building records, he checked everything. And he could never debunk me. And we went right before he died, he said, Chris. He said, "I know about everything there is to know about this. I've been there a long time. And I've always wondered, is it spiritual? Or is it alien?" He said, "We all suspect one or the other, but not sure." He said, "But now I know. I know now it's about God." And that's what the very god NASA told me there.

• 1:26:22AJ Gentile?

  Well, at this point, meaning present day, you've had CIA, DoD, EIA, all of them.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I mean, I mean senior leaders, not some low.

• 1:26:35AJ Gentile?

  Congress people. What is their interest in this phenomena?

• 1:26:40Speaker 03

  Um, this is, this is much as of an interest, it's more of an interest to the government than us. I mean, we want to know it. They're people like us, right?

• 1:26:50AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:26:51Speaker 03

  And they want, they want to know what it is. But also, they want to know the technology and how to defend.

• 1:26:57AJ Gentile?

  So.

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  Whatever, yeah.

• 1:27:01AJ Gentile?

  So there's, um, there's the human curiosity about the spiritual aspect, but there's also fear that there's technology that we can't defend against.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Because they don't know, you know? Most people automatically, they're conditioned to believe alien. This thing's alien, and it's coming from the Pleiades, or this, or that.

• 1:27:19AJ Gentile?

  And you don't believe that?

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  I think it lives right beside us all the time. It's around us, and it knows your thoughts. I know this. I can demonstrate it at any time with groups of people.

• 1:27:32AJ Gentile?

  I believe you.

• 1:27:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:34AJ Gentile?

  Now, what if there, this is maybe out there, but what if there's life on other planets? Does this energy exist all, ever, infinitely?

• 1:27:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think it's, I think something I was concerned about the triangle. I asked people at the government, the dragon, and others, "What does that triangle mean? What does that mean?"

• 1:27:55AJ Gentile?

  The dragon, by the way, is Tim Taylor, who's a very elusive figure.

• 1:27:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:01AJ Gentile?

  And he seems like he could swipe his card and get anywhere.

• 1:28:04Speaker 03

  He can, and in the White House, or any king or queen, it doesn't matter, the Vatican, he went right in the bottom, the basement of the Vatican.

• 1:28:17AJ Gentile?

  The archives?

• 1:28:19Speaker 03

  I know somebody else can too.

• 1:28:21AJ Gentile?

  Who's that?

• 1:28:22Speaker 03

  That's a friend out of Washington.

• 1:28:24AJ Gentile?

  You don't want to name him?

• 1:28:26Speaker 03

  No, he probably wouldn't want me to name him.

• 1:28:29AJ Gentile?

  So, the Vatican is interested in this as well?

• 1:28:32Speaker 03

  Oh yeah.

• 1:28:33AJ Gentile?

  Have they been in touch with you?

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  They have, through several people, yeah.

• 1:28:37AJ Gentile?

  What is the Vatican?

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  To them, what I'm seeing is the Virgin Mary.

• 1:28:45AJ Gentile?

  Right, right, and they're...

• 1:28:48Speaker 03

  Go to Fatima, what did they see? Orbs.

• 1:28:50AJ Gentile?

  They saw orbs?

• 1:28:51Speaker 03

  Mostly orbs. They see, sometimes they get the full apparition, but a lot of times at these holy sites, they see the orbs.

• 1:28:58AJ Gentile?

  And I think the Catholic Church now has acknowledged UFOs.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:04AJ Gentile?

  And I could be wrong, but haven't they revealed at this point the three secrets of Fatima, which were hell, war, and the end of religion, was the white bishop, I believe it was, being murdered on a mountain? So, were you ever shown, I mean, we talked earlier about, there are so many stories about two timelines, and we're in an inflection point where we can choose as a species, we can go down a dark path of evil.

• 1:29:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:29:34AJ Gentile?

  Or we can go down a light path of enlightenment.

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:29:37AJ Gentile?

  And we're at the point where, which, where are we headed?

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  Well, I think we're heading to the light.

• 1:29:44AJ Gentile?

  I hope you're right, but were you ever shown, were you ever shown the other side?

• 1:29:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:51AJ Gentile?

  Did you tell us?

• 1:29:52Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I saw...

• 1:29:57Speaker 03

  The first four hours when I was gone, remember the four hours? And I started to hit on this earlier.

• 1:30:02AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:30:02Speaker 03

  They showed me Hathor's temple. They showed me the pyramids. They showed me Egypt as a whole. The Sphinx was the biggest thing. Three pyramids. I'm looking over the pyramids at the rear end of the Sphinx. That's the position we were in. Then they transport me up over the United States, somewhere up over the Midwest. And we were way up high and we were looking. And they're talking. They're narrating these things. And all of a sudden, I see the sun swell up in the sky. It got real big to where the whole sky become the sun. And then it flashed. And the lights went out. And I knew then that was the reset mechanism.

• 1:30:47Speaker 03

  That, and they told me, this is what we're in for.

• 1:30:52AJ Gentile?

  This is, is this a solar flare or is this something worse?

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  It was a supernova.

• 1:30:56AJ Gentile?

  Oh, no. That's the end of everything, man.

• 1:30:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:59AJ Gentile?

  So that's not the, the lights going out. That's everything out.

• 1:31:02Speaker 03

  Right. And that's how the tectites got here. Scientists would try to say, oh, that can't be a supernova. Well, yeah, it can. It's happened before and we know it has because I've studied with Dr. Paul Meier, who was the world's expert on tectites.

• 1:31:19AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, he was.

• 1:31:19Speaker 03

  And how did they get made? It comes through a supernova. It didn't come from a solar flare. It come from a supernova. Right. He told me that and we know that. And that it can happen again. So the way they explained it was, we had two timelines. We had a choice. They said that there were people in power scripting the Book of Revelations to bring about the end of the world. They want to do this. These religious nuts, I guess you would call it, people that are... I don't know why they'd want to do that.

• 1:31:52AJ Gentile?

  I think it's a shadow government and that's why they're building bunkers and all of that is because they're trying to engineer the end of the world.

• 1:32:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that's what she told me, that's what the Beings told me, that they were trying to bring about the end of the world and if we'd go that route, it would end up in Armageddon and like the Bible says, Jesus comes back and saves the world, right? So that's what I was talking about with Sean, Ryan, was that timeline, but the other timeline, they said, was that the reset button didn't have to happen if we made the choice to seek the light and remove the darkness from our, and that they were going to help.

• 1:32:36Speaker 00

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• 1:33:04Speaker 03

  And that's by waking us up.

• 1:33:06AJ Gentile?

  And does that lead us into the 2026 event?

• 1:33:10Speaker 03

  2026 into a time of awakening and peace, not war.

• 1:33:16AJ Gentile?

  And you have been called, I know you don't like the word prophet.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:33:20AJ Gentile?

  So, let's just call it a prediction. What was the prediction that the lady made?

• 1:33:27Speaker 03

  What she told me was, she, it was a riddle in a way. She said, she said, "When the red star of Regulus," now keep in mind, I don't know anything about astronomy, I don't know what Regulus is, she just put these number words out, she said, "When the red star of Regulus aligns in the gaze of the Sphinx," and she showed it to me, it looked like a little red ball. Now Regulus is blue.

• 1:33:52AJ Gentile?

  Is blue.

• 1:33:53Speaker 03

  But she said it would appear red on the horizon just before dawn. When that happens, at that point, would mark a shift into a new knowledge and awakening of the people. Don't mean that you're going to flip the switch and we all of a sudden know that day. I think it's just the beginning of a new era, a new... A new knowledge and maybe that's the, the, the, the revealing of this, the, the truth of consciousness.

• 1:34:20AJ Gentile?

  And this will be the Sphinx gazing at Regulus?

• 1:34:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:23AJ Gentile?

  Do you know what constellation Regulus is in?

• 1:34:25Speaker 03

  It's in Leo.

• 1:34:26AJ Gentile?

  It's in Leo.

• 1:34:26Speaker 03

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:34:27AJ Gentile?

  It is.

• 1:34:28Speaker 03

  Why does the, why does the Space Force have on their badge, a triangle?

• 1:34:34AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:34:35Speaker 03

  With the Sphinx looking up at a star?

• 1:34:37AJ Gentile?

  That's funny that you mention that if you look at a lot of the logos, whether it's NRO, all these, there's all this Egyptian iconography on them.

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:46AJ Gentile?

  It's, it makes me think they know something we don't know.

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  Oh, they do.

• 1:34:51AJ Gentile?

  They do.

• 1:34:51Speaker 03

  They do, I can tell you they do.

• 1:34:53AJ Gentile?

  What do they know? And why won't they tell us?

• 1:34:57Speaker 03

  I wish I could tell you something I do know.

• 1:35:01AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:35:02Speaker 03

  Um, but let's just say, uh, without me getting in really serious trouble.

• 1:35:07AJ Gentile?

  Are you under any NDA?

• 1:35:08Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:35:09AJ Gentile?

  You're not?

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:35:10AJ Gentile?

  So you can speak freely?

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  I can, but I might cut my toes off or, or, or cut myself off from a stream of information.

• 1:35:19AJ Gentile?

  As the legal counsel, I would advise you to be careful here.

• 1:35:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Um, but I do know that they documented things over the last several hundred years.

• 1:35:29AJ Gentile?

  Several hundred years?

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  Ever since they started keeping records in the US and, and abroad over hundreds of years, thousands of years, two thousand or more, the specific thing I'm speaking about.

• 1:35:42AJ Gentile?

  Well, we can see orbs and paintings that are hundreds of years old.

• 1:35:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, and it's like the, the Gelder painting of Jesus being baptized by John the Baptist.

• 1:35:54AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:35:54Speaker 03

  There's a cloud up there and it looks like a flying saucer with laser beams.

• 1:35:57AJ Gentile?

  Yes, it does.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  How did they know to draw laser beams in the 1300s?

• 1:36:03AJ Gentile?

  Right, exactly right.

• 1:36:04Speaker 03

  Didn't have a flashlight then, right? So, yeah, there's a whole lot of knowledge we don't know, this hidden knowledge.

• 1:36:11AJ Gentile?

  Do you think, um...

• 1:36:14AJ Gentile?

  Disclosure is happening now?

• 1:36:17Speaker 03

  We're in post-disclosure.

• 1:36:19AJ Gentile?

  You think it's already happened?

• 1:36:21Speaker 03

  It's happened, it's happening one person at a time.

• 1:36:25AJ Gentile?

  Because I'm very suspicious of what we're being told.

• 1:36:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:36:28AJ Gentile?

  Because I don't know, I don't know what's true and what's not true. So I don't know if this is planned disclosure? And if it is, I don't like that. I don't...

• 1:36:38Speaker 03

  Well, they're planning it, they're definitely planning it. And they've turned it up a notch a hundred percent, right? Partly because when the drone thing happened, and that was, there weren't drones. There were not drones at all. And we know that, there weren't drones. They know that, they weren't drones. They were orbs, right? It's the very thing I predicted. I didn't predict it. I just told what I was told. That when Iran and Israel go to exchanging missiles, then the orbs would start appearing. Out of the sea, out of the land, out of the sky. And they were firing at one another in November.

• 1:37:22Speaker 03

  And what happened, November, December? Orbs appeared everywhere, so the government freaked out. And they started sending their own drones up, big ones, and leaving them for days hanging around. All that was done to confuse the people.

• 1:37:37AJ Gentile?

  So you're a pilot?

• 1:37:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:39AJ Gentile?

  I've been shown from another pilot, a NOTAM report, that showed in advance all these areas where drones would be. But the government never told us that. They never said, "Relax, we got it, it's us." They kept us confused and frightened.

• 1:37:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:37:57AJ Gentile?

  And what would be the purpose of that? Why frighten the population?

• 1:37:59Speaker 03

  I'll tell you why. Because I was sitting in a restaurant with some people from the Pentagon, and some Congress, and others, in the Capital Grill in Washington DC this past summer. And, well, this past, after that happened with the, it was in, this year, the thing happened in November, right, December, but this past summer?

• 1:38:27AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:38:28Speaker 03

  And, or spring. It was not too far after that, we were meeting. And they wanted to know my opinion about this. I said, "I told you, you start shooting missiles with Iran, you're gonna get, you're gonna get it." And they're like, "Oh, my God, this is catastrophic disclosure." So that term was coined with me sitting at a meeting with these people back this year. So they don't want that to happen. They don't want to lose control of the people. They're afraid if they push the button too far, it's gonna come down here and wake us all up and take over. They were, "What's gonna happen?"

• 1:39:10AJ Gentile?

  And then they lose their power, their control?

• 1:39:12Speaker 03

  Continuity of government.

• 1:39:13AJ Gentile?

  Continuity of government. So this all points back to the DOD and the Pentagon?

• 1:39:17Speaker 03

  That's exactly what's going on. So they backed off of Iran. They quit shooting at one another. The whole thing settled down, but it didn't stop. The minute we put F-35s in Poland?

• 1:39:29AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:39:30Speaker 03

  They started shutting down airports over there. The orbs did, not drones.

• 1:39:34AJ Gentile?

  The orbs did?

• 1:39:35Speaker 03

  They're orbs.

• 1:39:37AJ Gentile?

  If there were a nuclear war, do you think these orbs?

• 1:39:42Speaker 03

  Would stop it.

• 1:39:43AJ Gentile?

  They would stop it?

• 1:39:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:45AJ Gentile?

  Because we know that they have shut down nuclear facilities?

• 1:39:47Speaker 03

  They told them, "You keep pushing these buttons, we're gonna expose you. We're gonna stop it." And they keep warning them that.

• 1:39:55AJ Gentile?

  Are the orbs themselves craft or are they beings?

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  Both.

• 1:40:00AJ Gentile?

  They're both?

• 1:40:01Speaker 03

  They're, they're, I say both because I have video of orb beings coming out of orbs. I can show, I'll show you one today where this orb approaches myself and two, three ladies, one very sick with cancer. It approaches right up to us and flashes and out steps a seven-foot-tall glowing white figure. These orbs, these smaller orbs are beings. When they flash, you see a flash, that steps, something just stepped out of it. So I think it's a way they can come into our world through that light. But I have also seen many and filmed, I have a whole thing of flying saucers and metal balls like the Bugosphere.

• 1:40:46Speaker 03

  Tic tacs?

• 1:40:48AJ Gentile?

  We will put all that footage in this episode because it's all, it's all there. It's really undebunkable. When I see people, debunkers, try to say that these are airplanes or I just don't get it. Because I've seen the video of it happen in real time where an orb will appear and disappear. And, um, and there are places around the world, I think, like, um, has, I think it's the Hasidic lights and the Marfa lights and the Brown Mountain lights. Are these orbs as well in these different places?

• 1:41:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what they are.

• 1:41:25AJ Gentile?

  Where did they come from? Where did this start?

• 1:41:28Speaker 03

  They're here, they're around us all the time, we just can't see them.

• 1:41:31AJ Gentile?

  I mean, the beginning.

• 1:41:34Speaker 03

  Whoever created consciousness, I look at this as a little different than a lot of people do. And I'm slowly creating a hypothesis, you know, we're never gonna know until there's a lot of, you know, we may not ever know.

• 1:41:50AJ Gentile?

  I'm wondering where the origin of these beings were.

• 1:41:56Speaker 03

  Well, I was gonna say, my little way of difference in the way I think there, and this is biblical, kinda. What are, what are angels? What are they? The Bible says they're messengers.

• 1:42:09AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:42:11Speaker 03

  Doesn't mean it's grandma with wings, right? Everybody has a misconception about this, these angels are terrifying experiences. It tells you, even Diana told me, every angelic experience is terrifying because they're creatures, right? Or, or they're different than us, a lot different. They can come any way they wanna come. But it's a tough question, but I think that they're part, I think they're fractals of God or consciousness. The word God and consciousness is the same.

• 1:42:37AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:42:38Speaker 03

  And I have the greatest time right now watching all these scientists that are atheists saying, "We're studying consciousness." Well, you're studying God, right? So, this is a great thing, this is what is all happening. We're studying consciousness.

• 1:42:51Speaker 03

  Which is, what is God? It's everything.

• 1:42:55AJ Gentile?

  It's everything, whether you call it God, or the universe, or whatever you call it.

• 1:43:00Speaker 03

  It's the source of who programmed this world we live in. It's all information, it was all written in code, it was all pre-written. So somebody programmed this thing that we're living in. It's all programmed.

• 1:43:12AJ Gentile?

  It's the simulation.

• 1:43:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a simulation.

• 1:43:15AJ Gentile?

  So if our souls are spun out of the source, and these orbs are spun out of the source, what's the difference?

• 1:43:20Speaker 03

  That's a fractal of God. In other words, how can seven billion people, or eight billion people pray and have a personal experience with God at the same time?

• 1:43:30AJ Gentile?

  They're all connected.

• 1:43:31Speaker 03

  It's all connected. So these orbs are just a little piece of that. They're a little piece, intelligent piece of God responding to you and me. And that's where Jesus said, "The kingdom of heaven is within us." And if you had the faith of a mustard seed, you could tell that mountain to move, and it would. So what is he telling us there? They didn't like what he was saying, so they killed him.

• 1:43:53AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:43:54Speaker 03

  But I think that we're magical beings with humongous power.

• 1:44:01AJ Gentile?

  Do you think we can all do what you do?

• 1:44:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100%.

• 1:44:06AJ Gentile?

  How do you do what you do? Because you can summon orbs at will.

• 1:44:11Speaker 03

  I don't call it summoning, because that's kind of a dark term. You don't summon these things.

• 1:44:17AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:44:18Speaker 03

  It's like ordering God what to do, right? You summon things, people say it's evil. Well, they're summoning, you may get evil doing that, right? I still use that word, because it's not about summoning.

• 1:44:32AJ Gentile?

  That's in the Bible as well.

• 1:44:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, when you talk summoning, whoever's doing that, these guys doing psionic summoning, well, they don't know what they're getting. And they're liable to get trouble, really get some bad stuff, because it's out there too. But I humble myself, and I say a little prayer. I have a little prayer, it's like this short one. It's just asking the Holy Spirit. Who I believe is the lady to come share her presence with us. That's all I do, nothing else.

• 1:45:04AJ Gentile?

  That's it?

• 1:45:05Speaker 03

  In front of a thousand people, I had church. You had the contact with Gina, right? You were standing there with me. The most liberal UFO place you could go to. I just had a little church for about two minutes.

• 1:45:19AJ Gentile?

  Three hundred people saw orbs that...

• 1:45:21Speaker 03

  It was a thousand.

• 1:45:22AJ Gentile?

  Saw orbs that you prayed for.

• 1:45:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just asked a little prayer. I said, "Look, the lady I met, I believe is a divine being. She was made of light, she was floating. She come at me like the wind, spirit. Could it be the Holy Spirit? I don't know, but that's what I believe, you know? And it's okay, I believe that. We all imagine God in our own way."

• 1:45:51AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:45:52Speaker 03

  The problem we have in this world is this brother Tom over there, he wants to kill me because I don't think like him, right? I'm gonna kill you because you're blaspheming. Well, who knows, you know? How do you know? Right? So that's the problem we've got to come to understand. Is this whole thing is not in our... We can't imagine this. Why try to own it and name it and kill people and have wars? There was something you have no idea. How complex and how mysterious this whole thing is, whether you're right or wrong.

• 1:46:34AJ Gentile?

  Right, we're living in two dimensions. The world is much more complicated.

• 1:46:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's real complex.

• 1:46:40AJ Gentile?

  You said something earlier that kind of frightened me a bit, that this energy is here, it's a positive energy, it's a good energy, it's a protective energy. What's it protecting us from?

• 1:46:53Speaker 03

  Um, the dark force.

• 1:46:56AJ Gentile?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:46:57Speaker 03

  There is a dark force. Uh, uh, uh, let me say this that gives a little, um, kind of where I believe this, and I learned this through Dr. Gilbert, Robert Gilbert. He explained something to me about Egypt. He said, you know what they dig out of the ground in Egypt the most of all the artifacts they dig up over there? What is it? And that would be pendulums. Pendulums.

• 1:47:23AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:47:23Speaker 03

  They get thousands of them and out of the soil there. In fact, Dr. Gilbert, uh, sold a whole kit of different kinds and he taught people to use them. The Freemasons use them, the Templars and different ones in the Old Nollies, people use them. What the Egyptians would do is that they knew, and Robert explained this, they knew that the earth has these grid lines and they're very close together. Some places they're further apart where they're stretched and all. But he, he's just like this. It's like a tic-tac-toe pattern.

• 1:48:01AJ Gentile?

  Some call them ley lines?

• 1:48:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Um, you could, but they're very, they're, they're abundant and they're, they're all over, around the whole world. It's just energy travel.

• 1:48:10AJ Gentile?

  Energy, okay.

• 1:48:11Speaker 03

  North and south and they're going back and forth. I keep butting this thing.

• 1:48:15AJ Gentile?

  That's fine.

• 1:48:16Speaker 03

  Um, he said those energy lines, some are negative and some are positive. And there are, there are beings running up and down these energy lines constantly, moving back and forth. And if one of those negative lines happened to run through your house, through a bedroom where your child slept, uh, that child could develop very bad problems. Sickness die from it, from this constant negative energy and these evil spirits that are in that. So they took pendulums and they would find these negative lines.

• 1:48:56Speaker 03

  They would transmute them up off the surface to clear the area, only leave the positive lines, right? So then they put these, uh, these obelisk out there. Those things were tuned, these stones were tuned by somebody. That we can't replicate. Why does there one in Central Park from Egypt?

• 1:49:16AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:49:17Speaker 03

  Why is there one in Paris from Egypt? London, they go over, they went to Egypt and got them and brought them back, right?

• 1:49:23AJ Gentile?

  They're tuned to sound frequencies.

• 1:49:25Speaker 03

  They, they transmute this negative energy. And that's why all these cities are so big. All the biggest cities have them. Because, and the pyramids were part of that. They were, I think they were tone generators peaking this frequency to transmute the darkness.

• 1:49:43AJ Gentile?

  It's been proven that if you send the right frequencies toward the Great Pyramid, it will amplify it and turn it into energy.

• 1:49:53Speaker 03

  It's amplifier.

• 1:49:54AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:54Speaker 03

  Exactly what they were.

• 1:49:55AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:55Speaker 03

  I think the water underneath them and the salt that they find in them.

• 1:49:58AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:59Speaker 03

  Was creating this frequency, peaking constantly.

• 1:50:03AJ Gentile?

  Totally agree. I hate to plug my episode, but we do have an episode about the pyramid as a power plant, as a power generator. And there's evidence of it, of chemical reactions and hydrogen. And it's all based around sound and music.

• 1:50:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a belief that the pyramids were defaced by the Europeans. You know, they were there before Jesus, five, six hundred years.

• 1:50:27AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:50:28Speaker 03

  The Greeks were. But I've heard through Robert that the pyramids used to have musical notes all over them. And that somebody stripped that all off to...

• 1:50:39AJ Gentile?

  I haven't heard that.

• 1:50:40Speaker 03

  I'd heard that before.

• 1:50:42AJ Gentile?

  So if there's the negative energy lines, is there also a negative energy source? Like we have our source?

• 1:50:50Speaker 03

  Well, everything is, um, yeah. The whole, the earth is a, is a diode. The sun shining on the earth creates the, the energy. And you can see it in the aurora. That's all electricity.

• 1:51:04AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:51:04Speaker 03

  So it's an electrical machine. And, and it's super, we're all part of that electrical energy from the sun. And, um, yeah, so this, uh, this, this negative energy is like a battery. Everything works on a positive and a negative pole. You have, same way on earth, you have positive and negative poles. And you have a battery that cranks a car. Ying and yang, it's all the same.

• 1:51:30AJ Gentile?

  Okay. That, that makes sense to me.

• 1:51:32Speaker 03

  Good and evil, light and dark.

• 1:51:35AJ Gentile?

  What happens when we die, Chris?

• 1:51:37Speaker 03

  I think that we...

• 1:51:41Speaker 03

  You know, in my Christian world, they preach about, and I'm still Christian, right? I love, I love, I was born, raised on Jesus and always will.

• 1:51:50AJ Gentile?

  I don't think anything you've said today contradicts religion.

• 1:51:54Speaker 03

  But I believe a little differently, that I don't think that we know enough to, to demand that when you die, you go to heaven, it's out somewhere way away. I think it's right here around us, and I think we can come back here.

• 1:52:12AJ Gentile?

  When people ask, like I did, what do you think happens when we die? I'm asking out of fear. Are you afraid?

• 1:52:19Speaker 03

  No, I'm not afraid at all. I'm not afraid. And I think that we're friends now, and we'll be friends forever. This life and the next, that's how it works.

• 1:52:33Speaker 03

  I believe there's a possibility in reincarnation, it's possible.

• 1:52:38AJ Gentile?

  I agree with that.

• 1:52:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:39AJ Gentile?

  I want, I want us to take one more break, if you wouldn't mind coming back for one last segment.

• 1:52:44Speaker 03

  Sure, I'd love to.

• 1:52:45AJ Gentile?

  All right, let's take a break.

• 1:52:46Speaker 03

  I'm having fun.

• 1:52:47AJ Gentile?

  You're having fun? When we come back, I'd like to talk about remote viewing, the Marmar Institute, some of that.

• 1:52:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, okay.

• 1:52:53AJ Gentile?

  We'll be back in a sec. Tell me about the dragon. Tim Taylor, the most elusive man in the, in Intel and ufology. How did you meet him, and what's your relationship with him?

• 1:53:06Speaker 03

  Um, Tim is that most elusive, he's a ghost, right? I like to say that about him. And he's a, he is a, he's a ghost because of his work.

• 1:53:20AJ Gentile?

  What specifically does he do?

• 1:53:21Speaker 03

  He's pretty much in charge of all the launches.

• 1:53:24AJ Gentile?

  All the launches, so NASA?

• 1:53:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. NASA, SpaceX, all of them. You know, NASA runs the launch facility, but they all use that, they rent it.

• 1:53:33AJ Gentile?

  And I think it's public knowledge that he consults with Elon Musk, so he's involved.

• 1:53:37Speaker 03

  Sure, yeah. So, so imagine...

• 1:53:41Speaker 03

  Let's just say, from what I know, that the National Reconnaissance Office does. They have eyes on, they have the satellites, they're on all the observation reconnaissance systems, right? And so if you took Mission Control, and Tim, being the Dragon, he's the head, he's the head of that, he's in charge, right? So he has, Mission Control is just a, there's a square building, it looks like a mobile home, that's put together, a big double, quadruple wide mobile home, little metal tin on the outside, but there's one hallway in the middle, and it's identical on the left to the right.

• 1:54:26Speaker 03

  And this is a pretty long hallway, the building's not so small, but on the right, when you walk down the hall, you get past the offices, and then there's this big glass wall, and you look over in the glass wall, and it's kind of depressed in there, and there are all these consoles, people standing there, and they're running the launch, and the television screen. On the left is exactly the same, but it's US Air Force people. So over there, you've got fatigues on, camouflage, and they're in there running the launch while there's the NASA people on the right. Well, at the end of the hall is where the general is, and where Tim's little office is, he goes in after that launch goes up.

• 1:55:10Speaker 03

  He goes in there, and he has these television screens only for him to see, right? And he's communicating with the team that's flying, an old friend, he died here a couple of years ago, is named Peter Choban. Peter, an Aragga from Houston, I write about him in my book, he's there, I love Peter, he's an old Texan. But...

• 1:55:39Speaker 03

  Peter run the WB57 program out of Houston, which is these big, high-flying, almost like a U-2 spy plane thing, but it's bigger. And it lourdes around up there at 50,000 feet. So these ground-based cameras are looking at the rocket when it takes off. It starts getting blurry up that high. This plane just intercepts it and follows it right on up. It keeps it in its cameras until it gets to about 100,000 feet. And that's when this other plane, called a F-104 Starfighter, quit with rockets on it. And they wear spaces in that thing. They fly way up there and they keep tailing the rocket. So they're watching it, every detail.

• 1:56:23Speaker 03

  There's like seven cameras on that plane, following it. Once it gets past its range, it goes into the satellites, right? So what are they looking for? Two or three things. Big thing is a mechanical failure. If something goes wrong, they got to know how to fix it. But why is the dragon in that one office?

• 1:56:46AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:56:47Speaker 03

  Because often, these UFOs, flying saucers, orbs, will approach these rockets in space and investigate. And I have seen videos of them shooting them out of the sky or disabling them. And I'm like, why'd they do that? Did they have weapons on that thing? He said, "Well, there was a mock nuclear warhead on there." But it wasn't active. It wasn't, but they still wouldn't accept it. That's what he told me. I saw it.

• 1:57:21AJ Gentile?

  You can find that illustration online. I think it talks about a craft flying around a warhead beaming light at it.

• 1:57:29Speaker 03

  I saw that video.

• 1:57:30AJ Gentile?

  Until it's disabled.

• 1:57:31Speaker 03

  I watched it. That's the one I asked him, why'd they do that? Was there a weapon on that thing? And that told me, "Oh, I need to know because they're protecting. They don't want us up there blowing up warheads and stuff. They don't want weapons in space."

• 1:57:45AJ Gentile?

  What percentage of astronauts have seen?

• 1:57:48Speaker 03

  All of them. All of them. Hal told my wife that one night, I'll never forget. Before he died, he would start talking more, things he would never tell us. He always said, "Don't ask me that. The men in black will come get me." I'm like, who's the man in black, Hal? He says, "A bunch of CIA guys riding around in black trucks."

• 1:58:06AJ Gentile?

  They all work for Tim Taylor.

• 1:58:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:10AJ Gentile?

  What do you think happened?

• 1:58:13AJ Gentile?

  Do you think we landed on the moon?

• 1:58:17Speaker 03

  I want to say, I tell you how confusing they are. They put out disinformation big time.

• 1:58:24AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:58:24Speaker 03

  They don't necessarily tell you the truth. And, but they will tell you some things if you're paying attention. But a lot of things they'll tell you will be confusing.

• 1:58:33AJ Gentile?

  Limited hangout.

• 1:58:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Tim, and Tim told me, and I got Hal, now Hal's my best friend. And he, he was the, he had the David E. Lard Award for 50 years of occultation grazing. That's the moon. He wrote books on the moon. And he was the guy that, that supposedly mapped it where Apollo landed on the moon. Right? So he's telling me all about this and that there are buildings up there that we didn't build. Hal would tell me this stuff.

• 1:59:09AJ Gentile?

  He said, "There's structures up there."

• 1:59:10Speaker 03

  He said, "There are old ancient structures and we didn't build them."

• 1:59:14AJ Gentile?

  So, do you think that we landed men on the moon in 1969?

• 1:59:18Speaker 03

  Well, I hear that, and then Tim tells me that, "What do you think of the moon?" I'm like, it's not that he's telling me, he's planting these ideas in my head.

• 1:59:29AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:59:30Speaker 03

  "What do you think of the moon?" I'm like, "I don't know, I've been obsessed with it all my life." You know, I wrote about it in the book. I was a little boy, I was always staring at it. He said, "You think it's real?"

• 1:59:42AJ Gentile?

  "Think the moon is real?"

• 1:59:43Speaker 03

  That's what he told me. He said, "You think it's real?" I said, "Well, I think so." He said, "Isn't it funny?" And he gave the numbers, like 400 million miles and it's in the exact spot and it never changes its face and it's locked in the...

• 2:00:00AJ Gentile?

  Tightly locked.

• 2:00:01Speaker 03

  How it got there, he said, "Maybe it was towed in position."

• 2:00:07AJ Gentile?

  There are ancient Native American legends about the sky without the moon. And when it arrived and the earth was covered in mist. And when the moon arrived, that's when the tides and the oceans formed.

• 2:00:18Speaker 03

  I had no idea of that. Wow. That's the kind of things that they do. These intel people, they tell you all kinds of things. So I have to try to sift through the data and make my own thoughts. But you insinuated that it may have been pulled here.

• 2:00:33AJ Gentile?

  A moon that large and that close has never been found on any planet ever. We've found thousands of them. We are the only one with this thing.

• 2:00:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:45AJ Gentile?

  If I had to guess, I would say we went to the moon, saw some things that maybe the government didn't want us to see, and that's why we didn't go back for a while. And maybe...

• 2:00:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's probably the truth about it. You know, that we did go there and they were told not to come back.

• 2:01:04AJ Gentile?

  They were told not to come back?

• 2:01:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, most likely.

• 2:01:06AJ Gentile?

  So that leads me to, to remote viewing a little bit. Cause, um, Project Stargate.

• 2:01:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:01:13AJ Gentile?

  So Joe Monocle is a friend of yours, Project Stargate.

• 2:01:16Speaker 03

  Very good friend of mine, yeah.

• 2:01:17AJ Gentile?

  Ingo Swan was part of that project. He saw aliens on the moon and said, "We're not welcome there." And he saw the structures and all of that. And earlier you mentioned that you had a vision or dream about Bigfoot on Mars, which sounds funny, but Joe remote viewed without knowing what he was looking at. He was given coordinates.

• 2:01:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:01:39AJ Gentile?

  And he said he saw large beings on Mars. And he finally opens up the card and it says it's Mars 1 million years ago.

• 2:01:48Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:01:50AJ Gentile?

  You said you've, you can remote view or you've trained in it?

• 2:01:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Um, in fact...

• 2:01:58Speaker 03

  You know, I'm on the History Channel being at Monroe Institute. And I'm kinda like an ambassador for them. And I promote them, I love them. My daughter, my son is a trainer for them.

• 2:02:11AJ Gentile?

  We're big fans of them here.

• 2:02:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And so I'm a huge supporter of them. They've helped me out a whole lot. But, remote viewing, all of us have that capacity. Everybody. Some people, it comes easy. Some people have it all the time and don't know what's happening. We all have these moments where, say, you call, you think, "I'm gonna call my wife." Pick up the phone and you start dialing. And suddenly, your wife thinks about AJ. And then the phone rings.

• 2:02:42AJ Gentile?

  Always, we all have it.

• 2:02:43Speaker 03

  Right. That's, that is the, that tells you one thing. That when your wife thought of you, you thought of her. Her thoughts fly through space and you're able to pick up on that. So that's what consciousness is about. It's floating, it's an internet around us. And our brains is the receiver to it. I think our information's stored throughout our whole body, even in our organs. But that's the computer. That's the CPU that's been shut off and doesn't know this ability.

• 2:03:18AJ Gentile?

  What did you see when you remote viewed?

• 2:03:22Speaker 03

  All kinds of things. We're given tasks to do, you know? I've taken training on this stuff. I've been to classes with it. And it's according to what the task was, you know? Whatever we're working on. But I've been doing this. They first came to me. Let's just say, one of the things that, that they know that NASA told me a long time ago, that people who interact with these orbs become very psychic.

• 2:03:52Speaker 03

  So that's a natural part of it. All of humanity starts experiencing this, they become very psychic. And that's, that's kind of alarming to the people in power. They don't want us all becoming psychic.

• 2:04:06AJ Gentile?

  Well, imagine if all of us could communicate with orbs or remote view.

• 2:04:12Speaker 03

  And we all can.

• 2:04:14AJ Gentile?

  And maybe that's the awakening that you've been told about by the lady.

• 2:04:19Speaker 03

  I think that's it. A hundred percent. I believe the disclosure is happening. And once these people, one at a time, begin to realize, oh my God, it's real, then you become, you start awakening and you can develop these powers. And it's happening with Dr. Diane Hennessy-Powell and Dalia and Vidu, which are very close friends of mine. I've worked with them. We do a lot of work together. And all these wonderful kids with Kai Dickens. Kai and I were on the World Forum just during Christmas, right? She told me I ordered one thing for Christmas and that was your book.

• 2:04:58AJ Gentile?

  That's what I think you said.

• 2:05:01Speaker 03

  Right?

• 2:05:02AJ Gentile?

  Well, let me put you on the spot then. What, because you've, you've said this before. What's the date? What's the date when Regulus turns red?

• 2:05:13Speaker 03

  I don't know that. And I'll tell you why.

• 2:05:15AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:05:16Speaker 03

  I was given this riddle by the lady.

• 2:05:19AJ Gentile?

  Because you've been misquoted.

• 2:05:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm misquoted all the time. I've got people on the internet saying, Chris says this, or Chris says that. I've never said that. Chris says that the sphinx is going to open up its paw. I never said that. Edgar Cayce said that, right? It's all over the internet. But what?

• 2:05:40AJ Gentile?

  You say a lot of things that Edgar Cayce said, about Hall of Records and stuff. It's hilarious.

• 2:05:46Speaker 03

  Well, it's all part of this progression and studying. I study everybody. I'm on admission myself.

• 2:05:57Speaker 00

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• 2:06:25Speaker 03

  But what I do know is when I, when the lady told me about this many years ago, about the Regulus and, and this star, I immediately called a literary agent, friend of mine, Lisa Hagan. Lisa's a very close friend that was in Virginia, book publisher. And I told her, we were working on a manuscript, Lisa and I, and we were talking all the time. So I told her about this. And she said, oh my, I know a lot of people that does astrology. They write, they write books, you know? I said, well, find out if this is going to happen, if it's really real.

• 2:07:09Speaker 03

  I don't know if it's going to happen. It was just a riddle she gave me. So she calls Kurt Nielsen from, he's part of the Edgar Cayce Research Center and different ones, and they all came back to me way back then. September of 2026, this is going to take place. So for seven or eight years, that's all I preached about. You can look at many podcasts, the older ones, and I'm always saying, September of 2026. When I wrote the book, I thought, I better fact check this. And so I called Lisa back and I said, Lisa, you remember this? Tell me, am I correct? Wasn't it September?

• 2:07:53Speaker 03

  She said, oh, I think we made a mistake there. I think that even now it's going to be in Easter or around April. And I thought, well, that makes sense because the lady always comes on Easter. So that's what I went with, but I never really felt, because for eight or nine years, that's all I said was in September. I was never sold on it, other than the lady's always associated with Easter, or has been. That's when she comes. And.

• 2:08:24Speaker 03

  But now I see that these astrologers are still unsure of the when this alignment will happen. Some are saying October.

• 2:08:32AJ Gentile?

  October 7.

• 2:08:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:33AJ Gentile?

  October 7, 2026, at 5:30 a.m. It will line up with the Sphinx. And if the atmospheric conditions are correct, that blue star is going to turn red.

• 2:08:43Speaker 03

  Well, that's, that's the date.

• 2:08:46AJ Gentile?

  This is scientific. If, if, if it's like have a harvest moon or that red dust from the Sahara, if that happens, that blue star is turning red that day.

• 2:08:58Speaker 03

  That's what date, October?

• 2:08:59AJ Gentile?

  October 7, 2026.

• 2:09:01Speaker 03

  Okay. Because I'm planning to go in the fall to Egypt. I wasn't really set on Easter. And, and so, you know, even though I wrote it in the book, I still, if you read what I wrote, it was just that I become to believe.

• 2:09:19AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:09:19Speaker 03

  I was never really sure when that alignment, and I'm totally dependent on the experts to tell me when that'll be. And now I'm here on October 7th, right? So that's probably when I'll be in Egypt.

• 2:09:33AJ Gentile?

  And I think it's important for everybody to know that when and if that happens, we're not going to see magical visions in the sky. It could be a very subtle just shift.

• 2:09:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's going to be something that comes and goes, but we'll all realize in the next five years, boy, that dude's really 12 years ago made this prediction that the orbs would appear when Israel and Egypt and all that. Well, it all happened. I've been seeing it 12 years, right? And now I think it's just going to mark a change, a, a, a new. I think we're gonna learn some things between now and then that's gonna shock us all. I think disclosure's gonna come more real. The government's gonna reveal more things. I have a little birdie telling me that Egypt is about to release something this year

• 2:10:31Speaker 03

  that's gonna rewrite history.

• 2:10:33AJ Gentile?

  Is that right?

• 2:10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've been asked to be a part of it.

• 2:10:36AJ Gentile?

  Can you share any of that?

• 2:10:37Speaker 03

  I can't.

• 2:10:39AJ Gentile?

  Can you tell me where in Egypt?

• 2:10:40Speaker 03

  I just know it's through the Egyptian government, through the Antiquities Authority.

• 2:10:45AJ Gentile?

  I don't, I don't trust those guys.

• 2:10:47Speaker 03

  I don't either, but there are very valid scientists in the United States that are a part of it.

• 2:10:52AJ Gentile?

  There are, and there's a lot happening in the Valley of the Kings right now. It could be, they just discovered a new, a new pharaoh there. It could be something out of that dig.

• 2:11:00Speaker 03

  I think it's more about what's under the ground.

• 2:11:03AJ Gentile?

  Man, I hope we're talking about the Hall of Records.

• 2:11:06Speaker 03

  I, I don't know. They didn't tell me. They just told me they want me in Egypt this year and that they were gonna re-abill something that's gonna rewrite history.

• 2:11:16AJ Gentile?

  There's a, there's a story that I, that I tell on the show about Dorothy Eadie. I don't know if that rings a bell.

• 2:11:21Speaker 03

  Dorothy who?

• 2:11:22AJ Gentile?

  Dorothy Eadie.

• 2:11:23Speaker 03

  Eadie, I don't know her.

• 2:11:24AJ Gentile?

  She's, she's born in England, early 1900s, and since she's a child, she's always drawn to ancient Egypt. And her parents don't know why, and they take her to the British Museum one day. She's four or five years old. And she goes to the mummy of the pharaoh, that might have been Ramses the Great, and she's crying and she's, says, "That's, that's who, I, I know him." They give her a book about ancient Egypt. As a child, she's able to pick up hieroglyphics. She can, she speaks the language. She eventually goes to Egypt and she knows her way around all the temples. She believes that she's reincarnated from an ancient Egyptian priestess called Amseti.

• 2:12:09AJ Gentile?

  And she says that underneath the Sphinx are these chambers, and there's knowledge down there. And this is someone who worked, Dorothy worked with antiquities for years. They trusted her.

• 2:12:21Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 2:12:22AJ Gentile?

  So you've got... Scientific evidence with a little bit of the spiritualism of reincarnation. You've got Edgar Cayce's predictions. You've got the people that you know. We've got LiDAR, GPR showing all these cavities. There's something down there.

• 2:12:37Speaker 03

  Definitely, and they're gonna tell about it this year.

• 2:12:40AJ Gentile?

  If it changes everything.

• 2:12:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I think that'll be part of this new knowledge. This is gonna happen. It's gonna rewrite, uh, it's gonna rewrite, uh, that it's an old way. There's a new way, a new knowledge. Uh, I think you're gonna see fusion energy. All that come.

• 2:13:02AJ Gentile?

  Alien 3.

• 2:13:03Speaker 03

  All that. Imagine a world tomorrow to where Elon doesn't need rockets anymore.

• 2:13:13AJ Gentile?

  But there are going to be forces that are gonna fight that every step of the way.

• 2:13:17Speaker 03

  They are, they still are.

• 2:13:18AJ Gentile?

  And they still are.

• 2:13:19Speaker 03

  They just killed the fusion expert from MIT, right? They just killed him.

• 2:13:23AJ Gentile?

  They just killed him.

• 2:13:24Speaker 03

  And they're planning to roll fusion out. That means, you know what that means? About 80% of everything you buy is energy costs.

• 2:13:32AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 2:13:33Speaker 03

  Energy.

• 2:13:34AJ Gentile?

  So what happens if energy's free?

• 2:13:36Speaker 03

  Then we become very wealthy and, um, everything gets very cheap.

• 2:13:42AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:13:42Speaker 03

  The living becomes a lot different.

• 2:13:44AJ Gentile?

  And those who, that power structure, it kinda goes away.

• 2:13:49Speaker 03

  Well, that's part of the new knowledge. The lady says she was gonna wake the people up and reveal, expose the darkness. And look at all of what's being exposed right now. All around the world, this things that people are horrified over, seeing and, you know, dark politics and child trafficking. Who'd ever thought in the, this year, in 2025, we'd be trafficking children or people? And the US is the biggest trafficker, it seems.

• 2:14:24AJ Gentile?

  It seems so. I think everybody can sense, can sense that something's happening and can sense that there's a...

• 2:14:33AJ Gentile?

  Ongoing war between good and evil.

• 2:14:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's it. And I think the good is going to prevail and all the evil is going to be exposed. That's my prediction that's going to happen. I don't think we're going down the road of Armageddon. I think we're going up to a new time of happiness. After all, these dark individuals are exposed and kicking and screaming and it's happening.

• 2:14:59AJ Gentile?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna choose to believe you. Chris, thank you so much for coming today.

• 2:15:03Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:15:04AJ Gentile?

  Name of your book is?

• 2:15:05Speaker 03

  UFO of God.

• 2:15:07AJ Gentile?

  UFO of God. And I would say it's an excellent book, even if you're not into UFOs or religion. It's a fantastic story. It's a great book.

• 2:15:17Speaker 03

  Thank you for that. It's on Amazon and most other outlets. I self-published it, but the crazy thing is that it's been in the top three to five in its categories for three years now.

• 2:15:31AJ Gentile?

  Well, let's get it up to number one. And when's your next book coming out?

• 2:15:35Speaker 03

  Hopefully by summertime.

• 2:15:38AJ Gentile?

  Now, for fans of the Y files, you know, the saying is there's always a book. Something to keep in mind, folks, is that Chris didn't monetize his story for 15 years.

• 2:15:49Speaker 03

  15 years, yeah.

• 2:15:51AJ Gentile?

  So.

• 2:15:52Speaker 03

  I never wrote about it until 2022. It started in 2007. And all the research I've done, I have spent, I have spent more time out filming the sky than any three people you can come up with. Nobody probably has spent the amount of time I have out observing the sky. And I've done it all on my dime. And I get people saying, oh, you got the horrible camera. You should do this. Well, why don't you go out and do the filming?

• 2:16:27AJ Gentile?

  Well, let's, let's support his work, gang. Grab that book. And, and I'll keep everybody posted with what you're doing and how we can support your work. It's very important.

• 2:16:39AJ Gentile?

  I do believe we're in a battle with darkness and your message is valuable and important and it's a weapon for good and we all need to wield it.

• 2:16:48Speaker 03

  I appreciate that AJ and if things go right in the next thirty or forty-five days, we're gonna, we're gonna step it up and start an expedition out your way and hope to have you and Gino to come along with us at times if you want.

• 2:17:05AJ Gentile?

  We'll be a part of it.

• 2:17:06Speaker 03

  We're gonna film the sky every night and get more serious about it.

• 2:17:10AJ Gentile?

  We'll be a part of it.

• 2:17:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:11AJ Gentile?

  All right, Chris, thanks again.

• 2:17:13Speaker 03

  Thank you AJ.

• 2:17:13AJ Gentile?

  And God bless.

• 2:17:14AJ Gentile?

  So, we just spent three hours with Chris Bledsoe and I need to sit with this a minute. Here's what we know. The January 8th, 2007 incident at Cape Fear River is documented. Chris, his seventeen-year-old son, and three adult coworkers were all present and all of them reported what they saw. MUFON investigated, though Chris says the investigation became a hit job and that's probably true. What's harder to dismiss is who came next. Harold Povenmire, a NASA engineer who worked on Project Apollo and spent fifty-nine years at the agency, he investigated Chris for over a decade and couldn't debunk him. Povenmire died in 2019, still believing.

• 2:17:56AJ Gentile?

  Jim Semenin, a twenty-five-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine service, wrote the fore to Chris's book. Dr. Hal Puthoff from SRI, the guy who ran the CIA's remote viewing program, he's also studied the case. These aren't fringe characters, these are real people. As for the big claims, Chris says his Crohn's disease was cured after the encounter and that he has documentation from UNC Chapel Hill showing no markers remain. Well, I couldn't find independent medical verification of that. It's his word and his records. But here's where it gets interesting. Chris claims orbs interact with nuclear sites. Well, that's actually documented elsewhere. There is the 1967 Malmstrom Air Force Base incident where Captain Robert Salas reported

• 2:18:38AJ Gentile?

  a glowing red object hovering over the facility right before ten-minute-old nuclear missiles went offline. That's been testified under oath before Congress. UFO activity- around nuclear facilities isn't fringe conspiracy, it's in Pentagon records. Now, here's what I'm still chewing on. The lady, this feminine being of light that appears to Chris on Easter, that he connects to Hathor, to Fatima, to the divine feminine traditions across cultures. And the 2026 prophecy, when the star Regulus aligns in the gaze of the Sphinx, a new knowledge will come into the world. Now, the astronomy nerds have run the numbers, and nobody agrees on the exact date. Some say Easter, some say August, but it's probably gonna be October 7th. Chris says he's been saying this since 2012, long before anyone was calculating alignments.

• 2:19:23AJ Gentile?

  So, my take is that Chris Bledsoe is either sitting on experiences that bridge the gap between UFOs, spirituality, and human consciousness in ways we don't have language for yet, or he's the most convincing experiencer in modern history with an unusual talent for attracting high-level interest. What I can't explain away is the caliber of people who investigated him and walked away believers. NASA engineers, CIA officers, Pentagon officials. Something about this case keeps pulling serious people in, and that's what keeps me thinking about it. Chris's book is UFO of God, available on Amazon. He self-published it, and he's been in the top five in its category for three years. If you wanna go deeper on his story, that's where to start.

• 2:20:06AJ Gentile?

  Until next time, be safe, be kind, know that you are appreciated.

• 2:21:05Speaker 06

  I fear the crackhead and got stuck inside Mel's hole with MKUltra I'm being only too aware Did Stanley Cuprid fake the moon landing alone? On a film set, were the shadow people there? The Roswell aliens just fought the smiling man, I'm told And his name was Cold And I can't believe, I'm dancing with the fish Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2 And one more zombie beat all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth

• 2:21:49Speaker 06

  So one more zombie beat all through the night

• 2:22:11Speaker 06

  The Mothman sightings and the solar storms still come To have got the secret city underground Mysterious number stations, planets circle to Project Stargate And what the Dark Watchers found Been a simulation, don't you worry though The Black Knight said a lot of jokes, so I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2 And one more zombie beat all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth

• 2:22:55Speaker 06

  So one more zombie beat all through the night Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2 And one more zombie beat all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth So one more zombie beat all through the night

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