The Basement: Brad Olsen | Hitler’s Escape and the Road to Antarctica

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  Taxes and fees extra. See mintmobile.com. Today, we're talking with Brad Olson. Eight years ago, Brad got evicted from his San Francisco apartment with a check. So he flew to Chile, bought a Ford Expedition and drove to the bottom of South America. Then he paid cash for a bunk on a Polish sailboat that had never crossed the Drake Passage. It was a rough trip, but he rode it to Antarctica to ask the people stationed there what's really under the ice.

• 1:22Speaker 03

  He went down there to ask what's under the ice? Haven't these people seen the thing?

• 1:27AJ Gentile?

  Sort of the point of his book, Secrets of Antarctica. Today, we're covering the 1938 Nazi expedition and the U-boat maps, Operation High Jump, and what Bird said on the way home. And the whistleblowers who say there's an octagon under the ice.

• 1:42Speaker 03

  Worst MMA venue ever.

• 1:44AJ Gentile?

  Brad also has a theory about who Hitler's daughters are. There are three of them, and you've heard of them all. That one I was not ready for. After our conversation, I'll come back and break down the talk. Let's go down to the basement.

• 2:05AJ Gentile?

  All right, Brad Olsen's here. I'm excited. I love the Antarctica. I love all the mysteries. We're going to get to those, but we got to clear some stuff up, man. There's some, we got to clear some stuff up.

• 2:17AJ Gentile?

  In 2001, you starred in a mockumentary called Ever Since the World Ended. About 186 people left alive in San Francisco after the plague. You played a guy named Santosh. Who was Santosh and how do you end up in a movie with Adam Savage?

• 2:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, that one just fell on my lap because I was friends and roommate with Callum Grant, one of the producers and also stars of this film. It was just a handmade production. I said, sure, why not? Santosh is a name that I was given when I was in India. It's kind of my alter ego or Burning Man playa name. And so they wanted to have a different name for my character and they used that.

• 2:55AJ Gentile?

  Santosh was that, so that was your name?

• 2:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. A given name from Osho at the ashram in Pune, India.

• 3:03AJ Gentile?

  I believe that means contentment.

• 3:05Speaker 04

  That's right. You're very perceptive.

• 3:07AJ Gentile?

  Wow, okay. Are you content?

• 3:09Speaker 04

  I'm very content and happy. It's also could be happiness in Hindi.

• 3:15AJ Gentile?

  You are, I mean, you're so positive. And which is great because your work is so controversial. Show business, I got to ask about the Viking screenplay.

• 3:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:27AJ Gentile?

  Did it go anywhere? What happened?

• 3:28Speaker 04

  I wrote the first of three episodes. It was going to be based on the sagas of Leif Erikson. The first one was called Voyage to Vinland and was about him actually discovering North America more than just La Onksaks Meadows up in Newfoundland. I think they went much further than that.

• 3:50AJ Gentile?

  I think so, too.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  And it's based on the fact that on his ship, he had a slave from Germany named Tureker. And Tureker knew how to create wine from grapes. And they found grapes growing wild and created wine that they took back. And when he took it back with lumber, which is what they were originally going for, they called him Leif the Lucky for the rest of his life. Because he came back not only with the timber that they desperately needed for boat repair and houses and so forth, but barrels of wine. And because when he was away, his father, Eric the Red, passed away, then Leif was the firstborn son. He had to stay and handle, manage the Greenland colonies.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  But his younger brother and sister both went back to Vinland. And his younger brother Thorivald was actually killed in a Indian attack.

• 4:49AJ Gentile?

  You should do a book on this.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  I should. At least the screenplay, too.

• 4:53AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  Because I'm half Norwegian, so it's kind of in my blood.

• 4:56AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  All this traveling.

• 4:59AJ Gentile?

  I think people don't realize, because of your work, that you're really an artist first.

• 5:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:04AJ Gentile?

  And your mom was a watercolorist.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 5:07AJ Gentile?

  And then you, you did a cartoon series.

• 5:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:11AJ Gentile?

  Called The Earthlings.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:13AJ Gentile?

  What was that about? And do you still draw?

• 5:15Speaker 04

  I do, yeah. And I produced a street fair for 25 years in San Francisco, and I drew the poster every year for that called The How Weird Street Fair. We stopped doing it two years ago because we all moved away. But I do draw and I love art. My mom was a huge influence on my life and encouraged me to do artistic endeavors. And now the writing is kind of an extension of that, too.

• 5:39AJ Gentile?

  Okay, Burning Man. You've been to all of them. What is your proudest construction on the playa?

• 5:45Speaker 04

  So in 1996, we were the first sound camp to build an art project called The Burning Alien. And we burned it in 1996 and.

• 5:58AJ Gentile?

  Is there video of that?

• 5:59Speaker 04

  There are pictures of it.

• 6:00AJ Gentile?

  That's awesome.

• 6:01Speaker 04

  Which I'll provide you.

• 6:03AJ Gentile?

  So I mean, you were going there where there's just a few people in the desert, right?

• 6:06Speaker 04

  A few thousand, yeah.

• 6:07AJ Gentile?

  Do you still go every year?

• 6:08Speaker 04

  I went three years ago. I didn't go this year, but I live, I have a ranch about 100 miles away. So I can watch as the weather forms. And this was another bad weather year.

• 6:19AJ Gentile?

  It was.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  That's takeultra.com for 15% off with code basement. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support the show and tell them we sent you. I thought that stuff was so cool about your past that I didn't know. All right, let's start with a piece of mail. About eight years ago, your building in San Francisco gets sold and you get a letter saying you're evicted, but you get a payment.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:16AJ Gentile?

  So you bought a Ford Expedition in San Diego, Chile. Walk me through the day where you actually got that envelope, that got that check. What?

• 8:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, so it was a no-fault eviction, an owner move-in. And even though San Francisco has very strong renters' rights, you can't really fight that unless I was a teacher or say an essential service. So we got the boot. But by getting the boot, there was also a payout. And that payout, I thought, well, when life gives you lemons, why don't you make some lemonade?

• 8:53AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  And so I thought, I have not been to South America or Antarctica yet, and that financed my expedition. But I had a couple of months on the front end. So I bought a Ford Expedition that was already fully outfitted with my girlfriend at the time. And we did five countries in South America and drove all the way down to Ushuaia where we got passage on the sailboat to Antarctica.

• 9:19AJ Gentile?

  How does a kid from Arlington Heights, where everything is flat?

• 9:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:24AJ Gentile?

  Decide to make that trip?

• 9:26Speaker 04

  Well, because I moved out west right after college and I'm a big snow skier. So I wanted to be in the mountains. And my ranch now in northwestern Nevada is close to Lake Tahoe and I get a season pass every year. So really, it's skiing that got me out west.

• 9:42AJ Gentile?

  So you didn't go down there looking for weird stuff?

• 9:45Speaker 04

  Well, I did go down there looking for weird stuff.

• 9:47AJ Gentile?

  You did?

• 9:47Speaker 04

  And I think, well, to Antarctica. I think I'm the only researcher in this field that self-financed my own trip down there looking into all these mysteries.

• 9:56AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 9:57Speaker 04

  Which I then put into my book.

• 10:01AJ Gentile?

  Okay, so you've got the expedition, you've got the girlfriend, you've got 3,000 miles between San Diego and the bottom of the world. You've never told the drive as a story. Like, so let's just start at the Sacred Valley. Just don't skip anything. Just take us on the trip.

• 10:19Speaker 04

  Sure. Well, first we had to fly into Santiago and purchase the vehicle, which I didn't even have any leads on. But there's a company down there called Suzie Santiago that does help you build out a vehicle or look for vehicles and they check them out for you. And I, I hired them and they did help me with this acquisition. Then we set off north towards Peru. But we didn't know if we're going to get over the borders because it had Canadian plates. The guy who bought it, bought it in Quebec, Canada.

• 10:53AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  And drove it all the way down. And it was a good runner and he was fully outfitted for this kind of expedition. But we got to the Peru border first and we got through. And because my Spanish is kind of rudimentary. I would just have a, a stack of paperwork and they'd come to the car. We'd go in the office with his rattle off in Spanish. And I'd just like, here's a packet of, here's a proof that I own the car and here's my license and all that. And they'd let us through. Maybe because ignorance was bliss. I just didn't know what to say or what they were saying to me even.

• 11:28AJ Gentile?

  Or you put a couple of bills at the bottom of that pile.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  I never had to do that, but yeah, that was always an option.

• 11:34AJ Gentile?

  You've never had to.

• 11:34Speaker 04

  I never had to.

• 11:36AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cause I heard you can get in trouble for that too.

• 11:40AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, you can.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Or you could get your way out of trouble.

• 11:44AJ Gentile?

  Alright, so Peru, Bolivia. Do you go to La Fonda on this trip?

• 11:51Speaker 04

  We did, yeah. So one of the other things I wanted to do on this South America trip eight years ago was get on the trail of all these so-called escaped Nazis that got different identities. And basically were smuggled out. I'll tell you AJ, there are places in Argentina and I've been to Germany many times. It's like you're walking into a Bavarian village.

• 12:16AJ Gentile?

  A hundred percent. Have you been to Bariloche?

• 12:18Speaker 04

  I did go to Bariloche and that's the motherload of them all.

• 12:21AJ Gentile?

  It's Chris like the Swiss Alps.

• 12:24Speaker 04

  It really is. It's beautiful that way. And there are ski resorts there and the beautiful lake there, which had the house, the Anelco house where Hitler supposedly escaped. And I think he did.

• 12:38AJ Gentile?

  You think, you think it was the Bariloche house?

• 12:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:41AJ Gentile?

  I've seen, um, I did an episode on, on that. And the, the plans for that house are very strange because it's built like a fortress. It's got, it's got this, this boat dock that leads into the building. It's pretty crazy.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  An underground base there. So there was a TV show on the History Channel called Hunting Hitler. That ran for three seasons. So there's like 30 or 40 episodes. Two episodes were on the Anelco house. And I got as close as I could, but it's like the ultimate gated community. I could only kind of overlook the bay. But in the TV series, they took a Zodiac and swam ashore.

• 13:21AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. And they found the, uh, hangar for the seaplane. So if the authorities were ever moving in on Hitler, they could just run out to the seaplane, get up on the lake. And then the boundary to Chile was just over the border.

• 13:36AJ Gentile?

  I forgot about that. There, that there was even a place for a seaplane on that port there. So who's running that building now?

• 13:43Speaker 04

  Well, there is private security in there. I don't know who owns it or who's in there, but in Hunting Hitler, they basically got chased out of there.

• 13:50AJ Gentile?

  Yeah. So where do you land on it? Where do you think he went?

• 13:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think he definitely had a doppelganger get suicided in the bunker. And even in the show Hunting Hitler, they were able to get the skull fragment to do a DNA test on it. The Russians had that and it turned out it was a woman.

• 14:13AJ Gentile?

  It was a woman and they won't let us see it again.

• 14:15Speaker 04

  Nope, never again. But the data was there that it was not him. Nor did they ever find Martin Borman. And at the end of World War Two, Martin Borman was the number two. He was the money man and many metric tons of gold escaped from Germany. As well as priceless paintings and artifacts like the Spear of Destiny. And they all have a connection to Antarctica. That's the wild thing about all this.

• 14:44AJ Gentile?

  Um, Borman was, is a great character because Operation Eagle Flight, he started building those communities. A couple of years before the end of the war, almost like they knew it was going to happen.

• 14:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:58AJ Gentile?

  We haven't found that gold yet, have we?

• 15:00Speaker 04

  No, we sure haven't. Nor have we found over a hundred U-boat submarines. Over a hundred.

• 15:07AJ Gentile?

  Over a hundred.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  That went missing after the war. You know, they were cranking out the U-boats. More U-boats were made in 1945, when the war ended in May, than all the years combined. So they knew the war was over when the tide had turned in Russia. So from 1943 on, they had about two years to get their best materiel and personnel, not just to the Antarctica bases, and there are more than one. But also to the South America, basically micro nations within a nation.

• 15:41AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  This was explained to me by John Lear and he and I had some conversations before he passed about these micro nations. And I got close to several of them in South America. There are massive land holdings owned by Germans in Brazil, Argentina and Chile that are the size of some of our small states. And they're completely private, their own security, police force. Borman bought those.

• 16:08AJ Gentile?

  He bought those. He bought a lot of businesses there.

• 16:11Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 16:11AJ Gentile?

  Um, was he ever found?

• 16:13Speaker 04

  Never found. And he was tried at the Nuremberg trials and found guilty and sentenced to death if they ever caught him.

• 16:22AJ Gentile?

  Of course.

• 16:22Speaker 04

  Right.

• 16:24AJ Gentile?

  Um, I thought I heard you say once that you didn't believe that, uh,

• 16:30AJ Gentile?

  officially Mengele died in like 79 drowning.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:34AJ Gentile?

  You, do you not believe that story?

• 16:35Speaker 04

  No, I do believe it. And it was in Brazil. So he escaped justice as well as many other of the worst Nazis. It should have been in Nuremberg. They could have caught him, but they got identities and were allowed to escape to mainly South America. There were other countries that absorbed them. But, uh, one of the worst was Klaus Barbie. He was called the Butcher of Leon.

• 17:00AJ Gentile?

  The Butcher.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  And I'm reading in the Lonely Planet, we're going through this, uh, this town in Bolivia, reading about the town in the Lonely Planet said, oh yeah, and you could go to this, uh, this lumberyard. And there's a hut back there where Klaus Barbie lived out the rest of his life, under a different name. But a lot of these guys escaped justice.

• 17:20AJ Gentile?

  I think that the country that absorbed the most Nazis is the United States of America.

• 17:25Speaker 04

  Well, they did with Project Paperclip.

• 17:26AJ Gentile?

  Paperclip is the scientists, but what about the tens of thousands of others that came across? Just as security and intelligence assets.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:36AJ Gentile?

  Thousands of them.

• 17:37Speaker 04

  And as well as the MKUltra scientists that came out of Germany. You know, it's MK for mind control spelled in German with a K.

• 17:46AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, yeah. That's true. I, I mean, the bio warfare program came from Eric Traub. All that's, all that stuff comes from the Nazis.

• 17:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:56AJ Gentile?

  I, whenever I'm doing a story about Von Brown or any of, any of those guys, I always get it in there. Remember who they really were.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:05AJ Gentile?

  You know, they, sure, they did great things for the country, but they, these were not good men.

• 18:09Speaker 04

  They weren't. And this is the Fourth Reich that basically took shape right after the war. Which you could say was in these micro nations of South America and Antarctica. And in, uh, his very seminal work, Joseph Farrell points out that, um, and he has some evidence that those paperclip Nazis were given diplomatic immunity. So they were allowed to travel to South America or even just over the border in Mexico sometimes with a briefcase that would never get checked.

• 18:42AJ Gentile?

  That's a dip pouch that's, that can't be checked. Um, we'll get to Antarctica later and I want to talk about Hans Komler as well.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:48AJ Gentile?

  He's a great story. But, but take me on the trail to Hitler because I had Peter Lavenda in here, who also went down to South America. He saw these micro nations, just like you say. And he, he kind of blew my mind because he traced Hitler to Indonesia eventually. Where do you, where do you place him? What?

• 19:07Speaker 04

  I don't know. I've never heard the Indonesia.

• 19:09AJ Gentile?

  Neither did I.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  Connection. I place him, uh, mainly in Argentina, at the Anelco house. He would come and go, but he was in La Fonda at the Eden Hotel. And I took a tour of the Eden Hotel. And fortunately my, uh, tour guide had a pretty good English skills to have a conversation with him. And I said to him at the end of the show, I go, do you really think that Hitler survived the war? He goes, I don't need to think, I know it. I said, how do you know it? He says, right here in La Fonda, there's an elderly woman who was a chambermaid in the Eden Hotel. And she's even done lie detector tests and passed them all, saying that she saw Hitler, his wife Eva Brown,

• 19:53Speaker 04

  even their dog Blondie, the German Shepherd. They all came there and they were very heavily secured. And when we did the tour, we saw that his, uh, his suite where he would stay when he was there. But they basically had to keep him on the move.

• 20:09AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  You know, at the end of World War Two, the fighting forces of Germany, the Wehrmacht, all surrendered. But who did not surrender was the political party of the Third Reich or the SS. And the SS were the personal bodyguards of Hitler and they were still intact and running the show and keeping him safe. He died sometime in the early 1960s and it said that he's buried in a, a hotel in Paraguay, capital there.

• 20:39AJ Gentile?

  That's interesting. Um, I also heard that, that he and Eva had at least one child.

• 20:45Speaker 04

  Daughter.

• 20:46AJ Gentile?

  Daughter.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  Maybe three.

• 20:47AJ Gentile?

  Maybe three. I heard the. Same thing.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  You know who they are?

• 20:51AJ Gentile?

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• 22:13Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Angela Merkel.

• 22:16AJ Gentile?

  Get out of here.

• 22:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. And Theresa May. And

• 22:21AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 22:21Speaker 04

  The Prime Minister of Lithuania.

• 22:25AJ Gentile?

  Ah, here come the comments.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  Well, okay, here they come.

• 22:28AJ Gentile?

  Here come the comments.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  But let's just say, uh, you know, sometimes art imitates life and we all remember the film, The Boys from Brazil.

• 22:35AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  These might be the girls from Brazil.

• 22:39AJ Gentile?

  Wow. The third one was Lithuania, right?

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I forgot her name, but they were all prime ministers and keep in mind, and here's a little bit of evidence on this, that the European Union was basically founded by ex-Nazi officers. Kurt Waldheim is one of the first EU presidents. Got a picture in my book of all the other people who had very high ranking positions. What was the powerhouse of the EU? Oh, it's Germany that basically runs the show, that basically calls the shots. So why wouldn't they plant some of their politicians into these top positions?

• 23:22AJ Gentile?

  Have you been able to trace those daughters from the, from South America coming over?

• 23:28Speaker 04

  Well, no, because they were all born in their countries, supposedly. That's a good question, AJ. I should do some legwork and try to find out exactly where they were born and where they're from. But the, the belief is that they were these daughters of Hitler, whether they were born in Argentina or were given families like in Boys from Brazil. Remember they always tried to set up the scenario of how Hitler went through his childhood and give these other cloned boys the same kind of situation.

• 24:03AJ Gentile?

  That's right. Uh, wow, I love that story. I'm kind of shocked by it.

• 24:10Speaker 04

  But I could say something that you weren't aware of.

• 24:13AJ Gentile?

  No, you're gonna do a lot of that today. All right, it's Christmas in Ushuaia. Every cruise is booked till February.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 24:22AJ Gentile?

  A travel agent points you at a harbor a couple of miles from the pier and the skipper tells you, walk over two boats. So I want to hear about the captain of the second boat. Like, who was that and what did they make of a six foot seven American asking about aliens?

• 24:39Speaker 04

  Uh, well, I didn't ask about the aliens just yet, but

• 24:42AJ Gentile?

  Okay, you gotta ease into it.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  I had to ease them into it. Didn't want to get kicked off right away. Um, it was actually the first boat that a travel agent tipped us off on that had only room for one. And there were two of us, so I couldn't really accept that passage, even though she was gracious enough to say, no, you need to go, why don't you take it? I said, no, let's keep looking. And it turned out there was another boat, two down, that we went to and met the captain, who was, uh, the co-captain on a boat called Chief One. And they had never sailed to Antarctica yet. They were, they brought the boat over from Gdansk, Poland, and they were just doing tourist runs to the Falkland Islands. There's an Antarctica connection there too, but also to, uh, Cape Horn.

• 25:30Speaker 04

  And it's a pyramid-shaped mountain at the very southern tip of South America. It's actually an island. So they were just doing those trips and they said, well, when we come back, then we're gonna do Antarctica. And how do you want to pay for this? Said, you can do a direct deposit for 8,000 US or you can pay us in cash for 6,000 equivalent US. And in Argentina, they're going through hyperinflation. So every single day, we had to go to all of our ATM accounts and they'd only let you take out about $150. So it took us about three weeks just to get enough cash to make it on that trip.

• 26:11AJ Gentile?

  Uh, I promise we'll get to Antarctica later, but you brought up the Falkland Islands.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:17AJ Gentile?

  Do you think that war was for something else?

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 26:20AJ Gentile?

  So what was going on there?

• 26:21Speaker 04

  And in the final chapter in my book, Secrets of Antarctica, I talk about the black goo. And I've spoken at the bases conference in the UK and I'm going back there next month with Miles Johnson, who's done a lot of interviews with Harold Kotzvela and David Griffin. And they have, all three of them have spoken to men who were part of the Falkland Wars. And in that war, which didn't make any sense to me, I'm in high school and we're, there was this kid that was super into it and he's like, day two, day five, day 12, they're getting closer. And then the war and, uh, why are they spending all this materiel and expense to take these islands which have a thousand sheep for every person that live there?

• 27:06AJ Gentile?

  There was what, like 20 Marines on there or something like that?

• 27:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, and the Argentinians were defending it. They call them Isle Maldivas. And you get in a barroom fight if you call them the Falkland Wars down in Patagonia.

• 27:19AJ Gentile?

  I bet.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  It's still a sore spot. And so they, uh, were defending these islands. They say it's ours and they still want to make claim to them. But the Brits come down in this huge force, right? And basically annihilate the Argentinians. They didn't stand a chance. And, and they even sunk a ship with all these young, uh, end signs on there. And there's a memorial to them, kind of like our Vietnam memorial in Ushuaia with all their names on it. And it's like, wow, why were they doing that? Well, they were going to this island south of the sandwich, South Sandwich Islands called Thule Island. There's that name Thule again, the mythical land of the north. And we have the Thule base in Greenland right now.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Well, there's a South Thule Island that the actual Falkland Wars ended offshore. So they get there with their ships are ready to just pound them. And there's eight scientists who put up the white flag and they surrender without a shot fired. This was a sub-mission within the Falklands called Operation Keyhole. And they were there to get something, something very valuable. And these scientists were working on it and it was this black goo substance. When it's in a frozen environment, it's inert and it doesn't do anything. It's just like a hard tar.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  But when it warms up, it has a form of sentience.

• 28:50AJ Gentile?

  Sentience?

• 28:51Speaker 04

  Yes, is what it said. And this is why the Brits wanted it. And it has a way of conjoining with any living organism. It could also be used for rapidly cloning. And so there was this, uh, multiple series article in Nexus Magazine. It just so happened to have that on my trip and I'm reading it. And it's all about why the Brits went down there to get this black goo and what it was for and why it was brought here by actually a benevolent ET race right after the Toba eruption about 71,000 years ago. The island of Sumatra exploded, biggest volcano of all time.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  Krakatoa is not far away and I saw that when I was in Indonesia, both these places. And it would have put up a cloud of dust that would have created a nuclear winter scenario where just for decades, nothing would grow crops and so forth. And so the human population was down to about 30,000 or 40,000 humans on the entire planet.

• 29:57AJ Gentile?

  I've heard that. I've heard even, even fewer.

• 29:59Speaker 04

  That you could put them all into one stadium. And that's why we have so many genetic markers to this so-called Eve, uh, early ancestor, that we do have relations in that way. But because we are vulnerable for another ET race taking over, they brought in the black goo in the event they needed to rapidly clone humans because Earth's surface is meant to be run by us humans.

• 30:29AJ Gentile?

  Well, black goo is an episode.

• 30:31Speaker 04

  That is a whole episode.

• 30:32AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 30:34Speaker 04

  And so these guys who are on the bases UK, uh, they said that they met some of the soldiers who basically first they take the base over.

• 30:47AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  They confiscate all the equipment that then they actually destroy the base. It was called the Corbett Uruguay Base on South Tool Island that they were studying the black goo. Then they came back in a second convoy.

• 31:03AJ Gentile?

  Wasn't it their base?

• 31:05Speaker 04

  It was Argentinian base.

• 31:07AJ Gentile?

  Ah.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  But then the Argentinians went back and they were kind of starting to set it up again. The Brits showed up a second time and then absolutely annihilated it. I've got pictures in my book with penguins running around. And so then they go back and these eyewitnesses said they went to acquire this black goo. And they got them in these special vats and they're taking it back up to the UK. Cause they wanted to backward engineer it, see what they could do with it and use it in their own secret space program, because when ingested supposedly it gives the recipient superhuman abilities and power and, and then the ability to withstand pressurized and really intense environments better than a human could.

• 31:53Speaker 04

  So the backstory is that's why the Brits wanted it, but it got away from them. So they started to backward engineer it at Marconi Laboratories. And that's where you have dozens of these scientists dying under mysterious circumstances.

• 32:09AJ Gentile?

  At Marconi?

• 32:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. Marconi like the radio.

• 32:12AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 32:13Speaker 04

  Inventor.

• 32:14AJ Gentile?

  So they didn't get it to work?

• 32:16Speaker 04

  Well, maybe they did get it to work because it's since escaped. Now you have all these very weird diseases that have come out in the 21st century, namely Morgellons and Morgellons are these fibers that'll come out of the skin. And that sometimes they have kind of a black goo appearance or this substance with these, uh, fibers and, and DARPA is now backward engineering it and they put it graphene oxide and pharaoh fluids because it can self combine and create a bigger species. And that's exactly what they said the black goo was.

• 32:57AJ Gentile?

  Do you have a way to connect DARPA to that? Do you have a source on that?

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Well, just that they were behind the graphene oxide and the pharaoh fluids, which have very similar connections, similarities to the black goo.

• 33:14AJ Gentile?

  Speaking of black goo, um, you were on a podcast. My family thinks I'm crazy and the show notes say that you revealed your family's peculiar trait that makes them stand out from most humans. You didn't say what it was.

• 33:30Speaker 04

  I'll tell you.

• 33:30AJ Gentile?

  What is it?

• 33:31Speaker 04

  RH negative blood type.

• 33:33AJ Gentile?

  RH negative.

• 33:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 33:36AJ Gentile?

  The alien of the Atlantean blood type.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 33:38AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  It's only 15% of humans have it. It's in my family. My grandmother had RH negative blood type and RH stands for rhesus monkey.

• 33:49AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 33:49Speaker 04

  So 30, 85% of humans have a direct lineage to the apes, like Darwin said. But these other 15%, they don't. There is no connection to the great apes. And that's the RH negative blood type. So my grandmother had it. She married a man who was RH positive. My dad is RH negative. He is the universal blood type. He can give blood to any human on this planet. But if he were to get anything but oh, negative blood, it would kill him. That's really weird.

• 34:25AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  The other thing that's really weird about it is my second born, my uncle Douglas, died at five days old because he was infected by my grandmother's blood and it killed him. It was what we're called a blue blood baby. And he, uh, succumbed before they had a cure. And now my Aunt Diane, she was the same way. They took her to the Mayo Clinic and they did a complete blood transfer to make her an RH negative blood type. But she always had health issues her entire life.

• 35:01AJ Gentile?

  I covered this fairly recently about the Basque and Atlantis where in part of the, the lore is once they started breeding with people that didn't have RH negative blood, bad stuff was happening. So the kings of Atlantis decided no more of that. We stick with RH, we stick with, with our own.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 35:20AJ Gentile?

  And the Basque, so much RH negative.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, that's the highest incidence of it. But it's expands all the way from Scandinavia.

• 35:29AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 04

  Northern Germany where my grandmother's family was from Potsdam, uh, the British Isles, the Celtic people, and then all the way down through the Basque region, which is the Pyrenees Mountains, all the way down into Morocco in the Atlas Mountains. There are people with fair hair and multicolored eyes in that part of Africa.

• 35:51AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know that.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  And, and Edgar Cayce, he said, those are the direct survivor descendants of Atlantis.

• 35:56AJ Gentile?

  Did say that.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  Who are all RH negative.

• 35:59AJ Gentile?

  So, and we can learn if he was right, if they would let us get under the Sphinx, but they won't let us.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  Well, never say never AJ, maybe we'll get a chance.

• 36:08AJ Gentile?

  Um, take us through the 92 hours across the Drake Passage.

• 36:12Speaker 04

  Oh boy.

• 36:13AJ Gentile?

  Um, everyone's heard that you lost 25 pounds.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah.

• 36:16AJ Gentile?

  So I don't want, I don't want the paragraph. I want the night. Who is the guy on the tether that almost went overboard? What, what's going on?

• 36:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was intense. I've been to all seven continents, traveled basically my entire adult life. This trip kicked my butt. It was the hardest trip I ever took, bar none. Why? Because as I said, this was their first trip to the Drake Passage. And once we made that turn, we got into very rough seas. And I'm not exaggerating when I said the waves were as tall as three story buildings. So when we weren't throwing up down below, we were asked to take turns up on deck just to have more eyeballs looking for icebergs. And so when I went up there, I'm like looking at these waves, I'm like, oh, we are so screwed.

• 37:06AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  And one of those waves, a rogue wave, I was below deck, but, uh, one of the guys who was on watch, good thing he had a vest with a wire connected because a rogue wave hit. And it took off one of our dinghies. We lost, uh, one of our spare boats. We lost, uh, some equipment on the deck. It even bent the captain's, uh, instrument panel. It hit so hard and this guy went flying. If it wasn't for that cable connecting him, we would have lost someone. And he got really banged up too. He had a, a big gash on his leg that was healing the whole trip too. So it was hard travel. It's hard to get to Antarctica.

• 37:47AJ Gentile?

  I mean, even if he didn't drown, he would have had hypothermia. He would have been gone for sure.

• 37:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, within minutes.

• 37:54AJ Gentile?

  Um, I mean, what are you doing on watch at three in the morning?

• 37:59Speaker 04

  Well, we were asked to, uh, go up for four hours. And you're just looking for icebergs. And that was the very first thing we saw and they're huge. They're calving off of the ice shelves, not an ice wall. Their shelves are hollow underneath. And it was very impressive to see an iceberg this big.

• 38:19AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 38:20Speaker 04

  Um, but we were more concerned with the smaller ones, like the size of a Volkswagen that would do, do the damage to our boat, uh, AKA the Titanic. If that was even taken out by an iceberg, that's a whole other show.

• 38:35AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I did that one last week.

• 38:38Speaker 04

  And so it was four hours on, then eight hours off. And it could be in the middle of the night, could be in the middle of the day. If you weren't throwing up and you could do it, you were asked to do it. And when I could, I did. And, um, we saw all kind of wildlife out there, including albatross flying across the Drake Passage and, uh, the penguins would just like dolphins, just jump alongside the boat, which we saw going up the Darwin Straits. There's another Magellan Straits is to the north. And then there was another one that was discovered during Darwin and the Beagle. It's called the Beagle Channel.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  And, um, that was smooth sailing and saying to my girlfriend at the time, oh, this is great. It's prep pleasure cruise to Antarctica till we turned onto the Drake and everything changed.

• 39:31AJ Gentile?

  Was she getting sick too?

• 39:32Speaker 04

  Oh, everybody did, except for the co-captain and one or two other people. So there were enough to keep going because we almost thought, uh, maybe we should turn back. This is really bad.

• 39:43AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, it'd be hard to risk the turn though.

• 39:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:45AJ Gentile?

  And get sideswiped.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  And then you risk the turn, but then you're going to deal with it, go on the way back. Once we got to Antarctica, we got into the Brandsford Strait and some other column passages. And nobody got seasick again after that. And coming back, we took our Dramamine on time. Had we taken it 24 hours ahead of time, maybe we could have avoided that, but it was rough.

• 40:08AJ Gentile?

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• 40:49AJ Gentile?

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• 41:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:33AJ Gentile?

  Fresh fruit and vegetables.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  We brought for them.

• 41:36AJ Gentile?

  What did you bring and tell me about that shower?

• 41:39Speaker 04

  So, so they don't really have much capacity to grow their own food. They do have a greenhouse, but it's kind of limited. So they were very, very glad we brought them a whole bunch of fruits and vegetables. And then they invited us in. 11 of our shipmates out of the 14 were from Poland. The other three were Americans and they were so glad to see us. We dropped anchor, although we slept on the boat each night, we went ashore. They offered us a shower, which was great after throwing up for three days. And then they even have their own chef down there and they were preparing meals and invited us to dinner. And then one night

• 42:21Speaker 04

  they said, would you like to have some drinks and we'll play some music on guitars? Sure. So they gave us all a glass and then they brought out the blue ice. And the blue ice, it's a light blue tint. It comes from the deepest part of a glacier.

• 42:37AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  They put it in our glass and then they poured some mixer and whiskey in there and it started popping like popcorn.

• 42:45AJ Gentile?

  Really?

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cause there's little ice in, inside the ice, there are little air bubbles. And when it melted, it would pop. So that was kind of cool.

• 42:54AJ Gentile?

  That is very cool. I'd love to get some blue glacier ice for my cocktails. So can we clear it up now that you go down there and there's not a giant ice wall that surrounds the world?

• 43:05Speaker 04

  There's no such thing.

• 43:06AJ Gentile?

  There's no such thing. Okay.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  It's make believe.

• 43:08AJ Gentile?

  Sorry.

• 43:08Speaker 04

  It's okay.

• 43:09AJ Gentile?

  This is why I don't do a, I don't do Flat Earth.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Don't even waste your time.

• 43:13AJ Gentile?

  Cause well, those fans are very committed and the comment section just gets, it's just too aggressive.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  Well, I, I get it all the time with my interviews too. And let's just put it to rest by saying, I went down there, I saw it, I stepped foot on terra firma. I got pictures on my cell phone showing you Antarctica because in all the schematics of Flat Earth, it's just an ice wall all the way around, which is misidentified as the ice shelf. And one of the big discoveries from this last past season is they sent a submersible about a hundred miles under the ice shelf. And they found the breeding colonies of the ice fish, which are the keystone species for the penguins and all the seals that live down there. They've never seen that before.

• 43:59AJ Gentile?

  Are the ice fish the ones that don't have red blood cells?

• 44:01Speaker 04

  That's right. Yeah.

• 44:03AJ Gentile?

  It's like any.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  No hemoglobin.

• 44:04AJ Gentile?

  Antifreeze.

• 44:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. Antifreeze in their blood and they live and thrive in sub freezing water temperatures.

• 44:11AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 44:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:13AJ Gentile?

  Um, so I heard you say that everything down there is just black, white and blue.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:20AJ Gentile?

  What is it that you still think about? What, what really still?

• 44:24Speaker 04

  Kind of like that, that you just don't see anything up here that you, you'd normally see trees, bushes, brown dirt, nothing like that down there. It's just black rock, the black and white of the seals and whales and penguins. Um, you see the blue of the sky and the blue of the ocean and the white of the clouds and the white of the glaciers and snow. So it's like a different world down there. It's, it's the best way I could describe it. It felt like we're off planet.

• 44:57AJ Gentile?

  That's a good segue to this question. Um, in sacred places, you put Graceland, which of course Walden Pond, Martin Luther King's birthplace, um, Chimaio, the medicine wheels. Um, so what makes a place sacred? Is it the geology, the belief, the fame?

• 45:21Speaker 04

  It's really the places that people go to where they either worship something of a higher power or that they feel that there's this power of place with mountains like Mount Shasta. Now we don't worship or the Native American Modoc tribe didn't worship the other mountains around there, just Mount Shasta, right? So why is it that mountain? Why is it Chimaio, which has all these crutches up on a small chapel in New Mexico, just like Lord's France? What is it about these locations that people feel they can spontaneously heal or feel a closer connection to Source or God or whatever you want to call it?

• 46:02AJ Gentile?

  Kailash?

• 46:03Speaker 04

  Kailash for sure.

• 46:04AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  Absolutely. And you know, all those people that just died in Nepal, all the foreigners were queuing up to get into China to trek around Kailash. A big tragedy.

• 46:15AJ Gentile?

  Any sacred places on the South Pole?

• 46:18Speaker 04

  Well, I would like to say there are paranormal hotspots there.

• 46:23AJ Gentile?

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:23Speaker 04

  That I've been able to locate where Brian S. said he saw UFO activity over the Beardmore, which is also where Spartan One places the octagon UFO that he went into.

• 46:35AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 46:36Speaker 04

  Um, so if we were to name a sacred place, I would say that, but because Antarctica never had humans living there until this modern age where they could have science support them. You didn't have anybody identifying any locations because we didn't even know it existed.

• 46:53AJ Gentile?

  Right. I saw something on an old personal page of yours. 2004, 21 countries, 12 states, 33 flights and a rule, never backtrack. Is that still the rule? Or do you have a trip that broke it?

• 47:11Speaker 04

  Well, sometimes I have to backtrack just because going back to the UK for the bases conference next month, or going back to Egypt, I'm doing a cruise with Sasha Stone next month. Uh, and tickets still available. Just want to come. We're going to go to all the great sites down there on a really wonderful cruise.

• 47:33AJ Gentile?

  Should we link to that? Is that, is that a plug for you?

• 47:36Speaker 04

  Uh, sure. It's, you can find it on Brad Olson.com. All my upcoming conferences and trips.

• 47:42AJ Gentile?

  So what was the purpose of that rule at the time?

• 47:44Speaker 04

  Well, just that there's so many places to go on the planet. Why backtrack? Why not just pick a new location? I've still got a hundred countries to go.

• 47:54AJ Gentile?

  You still have a hundred to go?

• 47:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:55AJ Gentile?

  Cause I know you were counting. What's your count at?

• 47:58Speaker 04

  I'm like in the low 50s now.

• 47:59AJ Gentile?

  Low 50s with a hundred to go.

• 48:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:02AJ Gentile?

  What's next on the list?

• 48:04Speaker 04

  Well, a new country? I'm not sure. I don't have plans yet.

• 48:08AJ Gentile?

  I just mean, yeah, one that you just, you gotta get to.

• 48:11Speaker 04

  I would like, I'm looking forward to going back to Egypt. That, that one will never get old. That's, yeah. The anchor civilization of the Western world. You know, everything the Greeks and even the Romans built upon their temples and their architecture comes from Egypt. A lot of the mythology and even the gods were kind of parlayed over to these other, um, cultures. And so the, the monuments and the structures down there are second to none. And I get this question all the time. What's your favorite place? And the, the monuments at Egypt and then really second is Angkor Wat and those temples there.

• 48:52AJ Gentile?

  Amazing.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  Some of the most amazing in Saksehwan and around Kuzco and Sacred Valley, those megalithic sites still defy how they were built and for what purpose too?

• 49:05AJ Gentile?

  I'm working on an episode about the Serapeum in Egypt.

• 49:09Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 49:09AJ Gentile?

  So let me put you on the spot before we go to break. Do you think the Egyptians built that stuff or did they find it?

• 49:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. A lot of times you have other sacred places, for lack of a better term, that were built upon older sites, including many of the Incan sites. They said, we didn't build it, we just built upon it. And you can actually see how some of those older buildings in Peru have first the megalithic and then the Incan without mortar and then the Spanish on top of that with mortar. And when an earthquake hits, it's the, the lesser ones that usually crumble. As far as the Serapeum and some of the Egyptian sites, they're just so old, it's hard to say who built it. Cause of course the pharaoh list

• 49:57Speaker 04

  goes back thousands of years. But I think if, if I were to make my estimation, I would say, yeah, indeed they are as old as time as far as civilizations go. I would agree with Edgar Cayce who called them, uh, the Osirian Empire, that that was the lasting legacy of Atlantis, building in a way that they knew how to do it. And of course you've had, uh, Ben DeKerk and other people, Egyptologists on the show, showing that there are holes drilled into the stone that where you could still see the, the drill coring marks.

• 50:37AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 50:37Speaker 04

  And other cuts that show, uh, cement saws. So go figure. They had some kind of high technology to build those.

• 50:47AJ Gentile?

  I agree. I love Christopher Dunn's work who talks about.

• 50:49Speaker 04

  I know Chris Dunn. He's great.

• 50:51AJ Gentile?

  The pyramids and the Serapeum, because a lot of the same technology. Um, Serapeum has those giant hundred ton blocks that are polished like mirrors.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Right.

• 50:59AJ Gentile?

  That modern granite companies are like, we, we can't do that.

• 51:02Speaker 04

  Down below.

• 51:03AJ Gentile?

  Down below.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  Down all these tunnel system and the quarry is hundreds of miles away.

• 51:09AJ Gentile?

  No. It's a wild place.

• 51:11Speaker 04

  How do they get them in there?

• 51:12AJ Gentile?

  I don't know. And the angles are perfectly square and the lines are perfectly parallel. It's a wild place.

• 51:19Speaker 04

  And we're going there on my Egypt trip.

• 51:21AJ Gentile?

  You are.

• 51:21Speaker 04

  And I haven't been there. I've been to Saqqara above.

• 51:23AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 51:24Speaker 04

  I didn't get to the Serapeum when I was there.

• 51:26AJ Gentile?

  They, they open and close it quite frequently. I don't know if it's open right now.

• 51:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:30AJ Gentile?

  I hope it is.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:31AJ Gentile?

  Love to get your take on it. All right. We'll, um, take a quick break, come back, talk about the bottom of the world. All right. Antarctica. A few days before you left, you went on coast to coast, talking about all the weird stuff under the ice. So you get down there. With a list, the, the three craft under the ice, the pyramid, paranormal stuff. I think you said six stations, six countries, and you've said the answer was always no.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 51:59AJ Gentile?

  So pick one of those conversations, just put us in the room. Who, what, what does no sound like?

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Sure. So basically I wanted to see if I could find anything out about all these big questions that we've all been asking. What's really down there? And it was the same line of questioning, even before we went down. I was invited to a New Year's Eve party at the Ushuaia Yacht Club. And there were several captains and crew members who had been to Antarctica several times. And my line of questioning was the same every time. Do you know anything about these three motherships, Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria? No, I've never heard of them. Know anything about anti-Diluvian civilization, like the pyramid poking through the ice?

• 52:44Speaker 04

  And one guy said, oh, that's just a nun attack, which is just an attractive four-sided mountain. You ever go there? You ever check it out? No, we just flew over it. And so I think the jury's still out on that one.

• 52:56AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 52:56Speaker 04

  And whether they're paranormal or UFO sightings, and we did get a report from one of the bases that another Argentinian base had a UFO flyover just a few weeks prior. So that was as close as I got to my questions. But then I found out through some of these bases that there are no go zones, that there's no fly zones, that you just can't go to places. I thought that's awfully strange because according to the Antarctica treaty, the whole continent is supposed to be open to science and even travel tourism.

• 53:30AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 53:31Speaker 04

  But low and behold, there's places you cannot go.

• 53:34AJ Gentile?

  I have arguments with people in my audience who's, because I tell them, you, you can't go there. And they say, you can go anywhere. You can take a cruise. You can take a cruise to this one. It's as big as the United States are bigger.

• 53:46Speaker 04

  Bigger.

• 53:47AJ Gentile?

  You can't go anywhere.

• 53:48Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:48AJ Gentile?

  So if you think you can go there and just explore where the hole is, or the antenna, or all, good, they're not going to let you go.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  You'll get arrested.

• 53:55AJ Gentile?

  You'll get arrested.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:56AJ Gentile?

  I mean, it's, it's, what is it like? It's an, an air weathering, it's an air.

• 54:02Speaker 04

  Clean air sector.

• 54:03AJ Gentile?

  Right. So for, for the ecological safety.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 54:07AJ Gentile?

  You cannot explore 3,000 miles.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  Even if you're cross-country skiing.

• 54:11AJ Gentile?

  Can't do it.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  No, not allowed. There was a story in Nexus Magazine about 15 or 20 years ago, that two Australian Olympian cross-country skiers were making their way across the continent. And it's been done before, and for all reasons, they should have made it. But they must have veered off a little bit because a Navy SEAL helicopter came and intercepted them. And they basically said, trips over ladies, get in.

• 54:40AJ Gentile?

  Really?

• 54:40Speaker 04

  Not let them continue. So maybe they were veering off towards the hole in the ice.

• 54:45AJ Gentile?

  Do you think that they were looking for it?

• 54:47Speaker 04

  No, I think they just made a mistake in their navigation and just went into one of these forbidden zones. And I'll provide you a map which shows the areas where tourism is allowed. And by far, the majority of those spaces not allowed.

• 55:02AJ Gentile?

  Nope. What do you think that hole is?

• 55:05Speaker 04

  I think it's a vent, a natural occurring feature, because I've found other holes in the ice on Google Earth that are not whited out. It's just a natural function.

• 55:15AJ Gentile?

  This is whited out. It's not even clone stamped. It's just whited out.

• 55:20Speaker 04

  And it's not, it's like they didn't even use Photoshop. They just see a big white square over it. Nope. Nope, you're not seeing that. But there are other locations where you can see very anomalous things. So I kind of wonder, some are more secret than others. But the hole in the ice is a natural formation from all the volcanism and the geothermal vents that are naturally occurring in Antarctica. So it would make sense that they would need a chimney or a way to exhaust that warm air.

• 55:56AJ Gentile?

  Sure. I mean, skeptics will say you couldn't really survive there, but there's plenty of places. I mean, I, I think it's the most volcanic continent, no?

• 56:04Speaker 04

  It is. Yeah.

• 56:06AJ Gentile?

  So there's gonna be warm spaces, warm water all over the place.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so the Schumacher ponds, which were discovered by the Germans in 1938, is what they call the Antarctic oasis. And that is where they went to go set up and establish Base 211.

• 56:22AJ Gentile?

  Is that the Schwabenland?

• 56:23Speaker 04

  Yep, in New Schwabenland.

• 56:25AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  And so I have a map that the Allies took the German map and then put all these X's around the most likely locations for Base 211. And that's where they were going to bomb on the day of the Battle of High Jump.

• 56:39AJ Gentile?

  Now, so Base 211, that's, that's the infamous Nazi base.

• 56:42Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 56:43AJ Gentile?

  Um, I want to get deep into High Jump. Before we do, there was something that I hadn't heard before. A station manager at Palmer showed you an island.

• 56:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:56AJ Gentile?

  That wasn't in a painting from the eighties.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  It wasn't in a painting. So we're touring the Palmer Bay.

• 57:03AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  Which normally they don't allow ships to come ashore. It's strictly for research. But because there were three Americans, and I said, we're taxpaying Americans, you gotta let us come ashore. He said, all right, come on, including our Polish co-travelers, they were allowed in. But when we were going through the galley, he just said, take a picture of that painting of this glacier which was out in the bay. Said, sure. And then, and then I asked why, and he goes, I'll show you later. And then when we went outside, he said, now take a picture of that island you see with the little ice cap on it, but you could clearly see it was an island.

• 57:46Speaker 04

  He said that painting was the same location, but in this area of the Palmer Peninsula, they're experiencing a lot of melting ice. And even said, when I first started coming here 20 years ago, that those mountains you see in the distance, you couldn't see. So the whole polar ice cap on Anvers Island is shrinking. But conversely, there are other areas of Antarctica which are actually getting colder.

• 58:16AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 58:17Speaker 04

  And increasing in ice. So Mother Nature, in her infinite wisdom, is able to balance that out. We're not having the catastrophic change in climate, as was predicted by Al Gore, where Miami Beach would be underwater by now.

• 58:33AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 58:33Speaker 04

  It has hardly even changed.

• 58:35AJ Gentile?

  The polar bears, I'm still waiting for the polar bears to have a problem.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  For that. But, but, so this island, they named it Pie Island because the ice bridge connecting it collapsed on March 14th. International Pie Day named on the number, P.I., pie.

• 58:52AJ Gentile?

  That's funny.

• 58:53Speaker 04

  Maybe we'll eat a slice of pie on that day too, but.

• 58:57AJ Gentile?

  Pie's good any day. Let's talk about maps a little bit more. Um, the Perry Reese map, I love that map.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:05AJ Gentile?

  It's controversial. Skeptics will say that, that Antarctica's there because of Aristotle's symmetry thesis that if there's land in the north, you have to balance it out in the south.

• 59:16Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 59:17AJ Gentile?

  Make the argument against that. I have made the argument, argument against that.

• 59:22Speaker 04

  Against being a continent?

• 59:25AJ Gentile?

  That it, they didn't just fill, that they didn't just make it up.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  Right, right, right. And that goes all the way back to Potolmy, the cartographer from ancient Greece who put a continent down there. But they did figure it out as the Greeks, that there must be a southern continent to weigh off the top-heavy continents of the northern hemisphere. But they never saw it. They never discovered it. Then, come 1513, Admiral Perry Reese of the Turkish Navy produces this map that shows the exact outline of Europe, Africa, South America, and then that landmass down where Antarctica is.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  And it even says in the finer line notes of the Perry Reese map that it comes from copies of earlier source maps dating back to the Library of Alexandria and the ancient Greeks. So a lot of those maps have been lost, but somehow Perry Reese got wind of them and copied them on his map. And also, what's really interesting is the Fitchner Ice Shelf region, which is now covered with ice. It's shown without ice on the Perry Reese map, and indeed, there are islands down there, kind of like Pie Island, that were exposed. So there are still lands that are being discovered, and they've done the scans above the Fitchner Ice Shelf

• 1:00:52Speaker 04

  and found that those islands really are down there.

• 1:00:55AJ Gentile?

  I think Hapgood studied it as well.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  As well, yeah. Yeah. Half of the ancient sea kings.

• 1:01:00AJ Gentile?

  That's right. And Hapgood is not a, not a wacky, kooky guy. I mean, the foreword of his last book was written by Einstein.

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:08AJ Gentile?

  So.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  He was a college professor too.

• 1:01:11AJ Gentile?

  He was. Um, I think he was ridiculed for saying that the continents drifted.

• 1:01:15Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:01:16AJ Gentile?

  Until.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17AJ Gentile?

  Until we learned that they did. Um, so there's in, in the, Antarctic, in the agreement, Article 7 says, any country can go to any base at any time and look around.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:01:30AJ Gentile?

  And countries do that all the time. What's your pick? Where would you go?

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  Well, I would go to the bases in New Schwabenland. And there are two in the Schumacher ponds area.

• 1:01:42AJ Gentile?

  There are?

• 1:01:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. A Russian base and an Indian base. And they're on some of those lakes that never freeze, and what they call the Antarctic oasis.

• 1:01:50AJ Gentile?

  Is this Queen Maudland?

• 1:01:52Speaker 04

  It is Queen Maudland. Yeah. And sometimes you'll find an older map of the World War II era, where we'll call it New Schwabenland as well.

• 1:02:01AJ Gentile?

  So let's, so paint the picture. Um, it's, it's the late 30s, Nazis go down there. Take us through the, the trip, the darts, the, the photos, all that stuff. Because, I'm sorry skeptics, this happened.

• 1:02:17Speaker 04

  It definitely happened.

• 1:02:17AJ Gentile?

  You know, we can argue about, we can argue about Bird's Diary and all that all day long. But the Nazis were there.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  Oh, absolutely. Undoubtedly. And there's photos, there are many documents. The darts you mentioned were these big, uh, they would drop a, a dart, for lack of a better term, kind of the size of a small bomb, no explosive in it, but it would pop out a Nazi flag. And when I was at that Ushuaia Yacht Club party, one of the captains says, oh, I'm looking for those darts. If you find one, you could sell it on eBay for a million dollars.

• 1:02:49AJ Gentile?

  Oh, I bet.

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. They're, they're very prized possessions if you can find one.

• 1:02:54AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:02:54Speaker 04

  And they're on those maps of New Schwabenland that the Nazis created. But just before that, in 1938.

• 1:03:03Speaker 04

  The mountaineer and archaeologist named Ernst Schaefer came back from Tibet. And he was carrying some documents that went into the Anunnabe society. And that is when.

• 1:03:16AJ Gentile?

  The Anunnabes, just for.

• 1:03:18Speaker 04

  Which was the occultic branch of the Third Reich.

• 1:03:22AJ Gentile?

  Right. So we had the Anunnabes, the Vril, the Thulys.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, they were all predecessors and then they all kind of combined.

• 1:03:29AJ Gentile?

  Correct. Okay.

• 1:03:30Speaker 04

  Where they had tens of thousands of volumes of books, which were seen being evacuated out at the end of the war. So the Anunnabe was all into this stuff and they were really sending expeditions around the world, just like in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Remember how Indiana Jones is fighting against the Nazis to find treasure? They were doing an excavation in Egypt. They were doing excavations in south of France. But mainly they were doing excavations in Tibet.

• 1:03:58AJ Gentile?

  Looking for?

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  Looking for whatever they could get to give the Germans a larger qualitative advantage in the war.

• 1:04:07AJ Gentile?

  They were, wasn't, weren't they looking at one point for Agartha in Tibet?

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  They sure were. And it's interesting that when Ernst Schaefer returns in early 1938, the High Command basically gives a blank check to Admiral Richard and Schumacher to go down to explore this area of Queen Wadland, which they named after their ship, the Schwabenland, which is an area in Germany as well. And that all happened in 1938.

• 1:04:42AJ Gentile?

  So what do you think they were really looking for?

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  Well, I think they got tipped off on a location where they could build Base 211. Either a defunct base, some say even reptilian, that was just not being used in that area, or the directions into the underworld, under the ice. And now we don't even have to say inner earth is inside the earth. It could really just be under the ice.

• 1:05:08AJ Gentile?

  Sure. I mean, how, I think is that ice a couple of months?

• 1:05:10Speaker 04

  Two miles thick, the polar plateau.

• 1:05:13AJ Gentile?

  So we don't have to, so this isn't like the King Kong monster movie. It just could mean right under there.

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  Right under there. And with all the volcanism and geothermal activity, you would have a lot of tunnels. It's known that rivers flow through Antarctica and there are lakes that never freeze, like Lake Vostok, that are geothermally heated with animals and forms of algae that have never been discovered before.

• 1:05:39AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  It really is truly the final frontier on planet earth.

• 1:05:44AJ Gentile?

  Didn't I hear that one of the reasons that Nazis had such advanced technology was because they had help?

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:05:52AJ Gentile?

  Did you hear that?

• 1:05:53Speaker 04

  Oh yeah. Well, that's the reasoning from back in the 1920s with the Vril women who were telepathically transmitting plans for anti-gravity craft that Victor Schalenberger took a look at and says, oh, this is actionable intelligence. We can bring this into the laboratory and rebuild it. And the Germans had their own Roswell crash of their own in the Black Forest region in 1933. And Mussolini got a nearly intact craft in the Lombardy region, which he eventually turned over to the Third Reich scientists. So they've been backward engineering this stuff ever since the end of World War I.

• 1:06:35Speaker 04

  They had an incredible head start technologically speaking. And then when you consider maybe they've also discovered a Vamonica craft in Tibet or any other high technology, they were definitely on the prowl for anything that could give them that qualitative advantage. Cause they knew they were outnumbered militarily. So everything they built had to be the best, had to be more advanced than their adversaries had.

• 1:07:01AJ Gentile?

  Doesn't the Vamonica craft look a lot like the Nazi bell?

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  Oh, it sure does. And there's that whole question about what happened to Hans Kommler at the end of the war too, who was.

• 1:07:10AJ Gentile?

  So let's talk about him. So Kommler was, I guess, the mad scientist who ran all of Hitler's secret science programs?

• 1:07:18Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:07:18AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so he was this officer that had pretty much carte blanche access to all these black programs that the Germans were working on in the 1920s and 30s, including this very mysterious object called Dyglak, which means the bell, because it has that shape of a giant bell. And they've even found the site in Poland where they were working on Dyglak. And actually the surrounding cement pillars are still there that had to keep it chained in because when it was operating, it was moving around. It's still there. I got a picture of it in the book too.

• 1:07:59AJ Gentile?

  And Kommler's interesting because the war ends and he's found in British custody. Then he's in American custody and then he disappears into history.

• 1:08:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. As well as nine out of 10 of the Vril women. Only one of them decided not to either board a plane or maybe even get into the bell, which disappeared. But then what's interesting.

• 1:08:29AJ Gentile?

  Who do you think has the bell? Do you think the Soviets grabbed it?

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  I think they got away in it.

• 1:08:34AJ Gentile?

  You think they got away in it?

• 1:08:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. And it was also acting as a time machine. Cause once you meet these specs of getting up to nine tenths the speed of light, you not only can, if you know where to go, travel throughout the universe, but also you can go along the timeline and it happens to be in a 40-year increment. Cause this is the same thing that happened with the Philadelphia experiment, that the brothers jumped off the ship in 1943.

• 1:09:04AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  And then instantly popped up right off of Montauk.

• 1:09:07AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  Forty years to the second later.

• 1:09:11AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  So they come up out of the water expecting to see the USS Eldridge. Instead, there are boats there to come and collect them from Camp Hero at Montauk.

• 1:09:22AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:22Speaker 04

  Same thing happened with the bell, that there was the Mecklenburg, Pennsylvania UFO sighting, which everybody said looked just like the bell and they saw the glyphs that were on the side of it. And maybe that's where Kommler and the Vril women escaped to.

• 1:09:39AJ Gentile?

  That, I mean, and that's true. That's a real sighting. I think it was Kecksberg.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  Kecksberg, yes.

• 1:09:43AJ Gentile?

  And the official story was it was a satellite that fell. But for some reason, as soon as it hit, it was just surrounded by military, torn off and that, and no one got near it.

• 1:09:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:53AJ Gentile?

  But yeah, people said they saw glyphs on the side of the thing.

• 1:09:56Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:09:56AJ Gentile?

  They described it kind of like an acorn, but that's really what Dyglak looked like.

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  Good.

• 1:10:02AJ Gentile?

  Wow. I hadn't considered that they escaped in it.

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  Hmm. Cause he did go missing. They never could catch him in the 1940s.

• 1:10:10AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 1:10:10Speaker 04

  Nor the Vril women.

• 1:10:12AJ Gentile?

  I kind of thought he got absorbed into the American kind of secret science program, but I don't know.

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  Well, if they got him 40 years later, they certainly would have wanted to keep him as one of the scientists.

• 1:10:25AJ Gentile?

  Is, are there any stories about the bell leaving Kecksberg and going 40 years ahead?

• 1:10:31Speaker 04

  That's where the trail goes dark. I never heard whatever happened to it, but if they would have acquired it, what a relic that would have been to incorporate into our own backward engineering technology.

• 1:10:43AJ Gentile?

  Cause if you think about it, that would have been last year, right?

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  The, well.

• 1:10:48AJ Gentile?

  In 40-year increments?

• 1:10:50Speaker 04

  Well, so it would have been 45 to 85, 85 to 15.

• 1:10:55AJ Gentile?

  2025.

• 1:10:57Speaker 04

  Well, that would have been 50 years, wouldn't it?

• 1:11:00AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  No. Oh yeah. 85 to 25. Yeah.

• 1:11:03AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:04Speaker 04

  Okay. Well then maybe it's still gonna pop up.

• 1:11:06AJ Gentile?

  We, we gotta look for a sighting from, from 2025.

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  Well, you know, I have some friends, including James Rink. Unfortunately, he passed last year. But they went out to Montauk at the 80-year anniversary in 2023 to see if the Eldridge might show up.

• 1:11:23AJ Gentile?

  That's funny.

• 1:11:24Speaker 04

  I don't think they got any sightings, but hey, power to them for giving it a try.

• 1:11:28AJ Gentile?

  I don't, I don't know if it's closed now, but in, in 2006, I went there and walked the whole property. It was fascinating.

• 1:11:35Speaker 04

  Isn't it weird?

• 1:11:36AJ Gentile?

  It's, it's so weird because there's, it's like a ghost town.

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:39AJ Gentile?

  You can, at least back then, you can still go in the buildings, but there were giant power cables running everywhere, going underground. But there was nothing on.

• 1:11:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:48AJ Gentile?

  And you, there was this constant hum of energy and you just got the sense that there's something going on here.

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  Oh yeah.

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• 1:12:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, and all the trees are twisted in a way.

• 1:12:59AJ Gentile?

  It's true. It's a weird place.

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  Forest is really dense around there and only one kid ever escaped. One of the

• 1:13:05AJ Gentile?

  One of the Montauk boys, yeah.

• 1:13:07Speaker 04

  And he gets to town, he's like frantically knocking on doors. And they call the police and the police call the base and the base comes and get him and the kid's never seen again.

• 1:13:16AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  That's a whole other show.

• 1:13:19AJ Gentile?

  It is. I've done a lot of Preston Nichols in that whole story.

• 1:13:26AJ Gentile?

  So, Operation High Jump. We don't have to, we can go as much detail as you want. This audience knows the story very well. It's, uh, end of 47. And, uh, the United States has to go down there for a scientific mission and, and training. And they mount

• 1:13:43Speaker 04

  Forty-six.

• 1:13:44AJ Gentile?

  Forty-sixth, end of forty-six, end of forty-seven.

• 1:13:46Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:13:47AJ Gentile?

  And it turns out it's the largest task force ever assembled.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  Ever. Forty-seven hundred men.

• 1:13:53AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  Thirty-three airplanes.

• 1:13:56AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:13:57Speaker 04

  Thirteen ships.

• 1:13:58AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:13:59Speaker 04

  A submarine.

• 1:14:00AJ Gentile?

  Aircraft carrier.

• 1:14:01Speaker 04

  And an aircraft carrier.

• 1:14:03AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  And Admiral Byrd is tasked by James Forrestal himself.

• 1:14:08AJ Gentile?

  MJ1.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  Who was MJ1.

• 1:14:10AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:11Speaker 04

  And Forrestal always wanted to come clean with this. And after he came back, I've got a picture of Byrd giving him a stuffed penguin. That, uh, in the, the weeks and months after Byrd came back was known to be stalking the halls of the Pentagon saying, "The Nazis are still down there. We can't get rid of them. They got technology we can't compete with."

• 1:14:31AJ Gentile?

  Well, you gotta lock him up if he's gonna go crazy.

• 1:14:33Speaker 04

  Better put him in Bethesda.

• 1:14:35AJ Gentile?

  Put him in Bethesda and oops, falls out a window.

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  He keeps talking to the doctors and nurses and told to shut up. He wouldn't. And they suicide him. It's said that James Forrestal is the first casualty in the UFO cover up.

• 1:14:47AJ Gentile?

  Yep, I believe that. You know, I'm, I'm so-so on MJ12 on the story, but Forrestal for sure was, was killed.

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um. Very sadly so because he wanted to reveal the truth about this.

• 1:15:00AJ Gentile?

  And I think he was talking to Kennedy about this very thing.

• 1:15:03Speaker 04

  Yep. Yep. And Kennedy, we know what happened to him. And even, uh, Admiral Byrd himself died under very mysterious circumstances. He was in great shape.

• 1:15:14AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:15:14Speaker 04

  And we'll go back to High Jump, but he goes down a fifth time for Operation Deep Freeze.

• 1:15:19AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:15:19Speaker 04

  Which Captain Mark Richards, who is Kerry Cassidy's whistleblower, says that, and I, I got his military document book called Operation High Jump, but in Deep Freeze, they landed a German craft on the aircraft carrier. That was basically in response to the flyover of DC in 52. Which were the craft that Byrd said could fly pole to pole at incredible speeds.

• 1:15:49AJ Gentile?

  So that, so the 52 flap, were those craft that he was talking about? That's the famous Chilean interview he gave, right?

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  That's right. Yeah, El Mercurio newspaper coming back. But before High Jump, Byrd gave a press conference when he said, "My mission is military in nature." He would not elaborate more on that. But that doesn't sound like, uh, training or a routine exercise in cold weather if it's military in nature. It was by all intents and purposes, an attack invasion force of Antarctica.

• 1:16:22AJ Gentile?

  We didn't have access to any other cold weather places?

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  Well, we did. Of course we did. We had the Elkhorn Highway that just got completed.

• 1:16:29AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  To Alaska. We had Greenland. We had Canada and Alaska.

• 1:16:33AJ Gentile?

  But no, we gotta go down.

• 1:16:34Speaker 04

  We gotta go down there. Yeah.

• 1:16:35AJ Gentile?

  So they were going, going down there to fight Nazis, to root them out? What were they doing?

• 1:16:42Speaker 04

  So the cover story was training in cold weather climate, but as we just said, there's no reason to do that. What they were doing was to dislodge the Germans from Base 211. And also to acquire at least two craft, two flugge rod is flying wing craft that the British knew about in the 1940s. Cause remember the British had cracked the Enigma code breaker. So they were listening to and spying on all the submarine chatter back and forth with Berlin. In fact, I went to two of the Operation Tamarind spy stations of the British. When I was in Antarctica. One of them is Port Lachroy. It's a museum.

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  And you can still see the radio room where they were all listening in. So they tipped off the Americans. Look, we know the Germans are still down there. Huge amounts of materiel and personnel and probably their Honey Boo craft were all being sent down there in those final months of World War II. And even the Führers convoy, which was the last battle of World War II. See, we don't hear about this because history is always written by the winners.

• 1:17:52AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:17:53Speaker 04

  Because the Germans routed the Allied ships in the North Sea as they were just plowing their way to go down to the southern continents. Not only Antarctica, but also these micro nations in South America.

• 1:18:07AJ Gentile?

  Sure. And we know for sure they went down there.

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  For sure. Um, and of course there were even some submarines which surrendered in Mar del Plata, Argentina in the summer of 1945, months after the war ended.

• 1:18:20AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:18:20Speaker 04

  And they were part of the Führers convoy. They finally got it out of them. But the cargo holds were empty.

• 1:18:26AJ Gentile?

  And, and I think one of those had a medical facility inside of it that would have been for a, a very important sick patient.

• 1:18:33Speaker 04

  That's right. And they also had a lot of injured soldiers that may have been refused entry into this inner earth empire that the Germans discovered. Not only discovered, but had it on their U-boat captain maps. Which were being produced at one of the concentration camps and everybody that worked on those maps was executed afterwards.

• 1:18:57AJ Gentile?

  Really?

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:58AJ Gentile?

  And you have these maps in your book, don't you?

• 1:19:00Speaker 04

  I do indeed. Share them with you. And this to me is a smoking gun. That not only did the Germans get deep within the Antarctic continent. Cause if you look at what Antarctica looks like without the ice, there are very deep and long fjords that extend well deep into the continent.

• 1:19:20AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  And they were able to map out what this whole world looked like underneath the ice. And on those under ice maps, New Schwabenland is, is one of the locations. Uh, New Berlin is another one of the bases as well as a fulcrum for the U-boats. So damaged U-boats could go get repaired under the ice at one of the locations.

• 1:19:46AJ Gentile?

  Wow. So more than just Base 211?

• 1:19:48Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 1:19:49AJ Gentile?

  Um, so very acceptable to that this could have happened. But what about the parts of the story like the Ariani and the search for those kind of secrets? What do you make of that?

• 1:20:03Speaker 04

  Well, isn't it interesting how similar the word Ariani is to Aryan?

• 1:20:08AJ Gentile?

  It is.

• 1:20:09Speaker 04

  And we spoke earlier about the Nazis fascination with anything ancient, looking for their ancient ancestors. And that's actually what Anunnbe means is this, they, they wanted to find this, this inner earth civilization. Either the Hyperborians or Thul of the northern, uh, climes, but also in the south. And so when Ernst Schaefer comes back with information about how to get to Agartha, maybe he made a connection with this inner civilization in Tibet. They wasted no time going there as well as under the ice. So Byrd gets tipped off that they're down there. They got the flugge rods.

• 1:20:53Speaker 04

  And whether we wanna discuss or believe his diary is authentic or not, he says he flew into that hole in the ice and was met with two flugge rods, wingtip to wingtip, which took control of his plane and landed him vertically, which his plane could not have done.

• 1:21:12AJ Gentile?

  Nope.

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  But they took control of it through some kind of force field. And then he was meant to go meet the master, who was the leader of the domain of the Ariani. And he described the city of Buck Rogers City.

• 1:21:26AJ Gentile?

  Yep. Um, do you remember how he described the master and how these people looked? Cause I, cause I have a follow-up. How did he describe them?

• 1:21:32Speaker 04

  Well, human-like, but not quite human. And in his diary, he's, he asked the master, "Why did you want to meet me?" And he says, "Well, you're very well-known on the surface world." And Byrd just thinks to himself, "Surface world? Where am I?" But the master was telepathic and he laughed and he says, "Yes, you are here in the domain of the Ariani."

• 1:21:55AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:21:57Speaker 04

  Well, so I would say probably, uh, another ET civilization that looks a lot like us, but are a lot more advanced than us. And the master even said so much.

• 1:22:08AJ Gentile?

  Yes. And described as tall, blonde, with, with strong attractive features. Which, again, I have problems with the diary, but then David Grush shows up talking about Nordics now.

• 1:22:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:22:23AJ Gentile?

  Kind of blows my mind.

• 1:22:24Speaker 04

  Even on Fox News.

• 1:22:27AJ Gentile?

  Never thought I would hear the word Nordics from inside the intelligence community. Something is going on.

• 1:22:33Speaker 04

  As one of the big five.

• 1:22:34AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  You got the insectoids, reptilians, the grays, the tall Nordics.

• 1:22:40AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:22:40Speaker 04

  And what was the fifth?

• 1:22:42AJ Gentile?

  I don't know.

• 1:22:43Speaker 04

  Something like that.

• 1:22:44AJ Gentile?

  Maybe the tall whites?

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. But human-like.

• 1:22:46AJ Gentile?

  But human-like.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  So that's, that's very revealing.

• 1:22:49AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:49Speaker 04

  Now the whole exopolitical question goes into ETs that look very much like us. Like walk down a city street here in Vegas and you'd think it's just another person.

• 1:23:01AJ Gentile?

  Yep. The um, the hole that Bird flew into, is that the same hole that we're talking about?

• 1:23:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, he doesn't describe it so much as the hole, but I could show you on his 1929 flight that he definitely saw it. And Brian S. says, yes, that's the exact location where this hole is. And by seeing it, he would have known the way back. So flying into it, then he sees a green lush valley and he says, this shouldn't be here. And it was only him and his radio man named Howie that were allowed to go on that flight. And then they see something like, what is that, an elephant? Upon closer look, it's a woolly mammoth. So even species that are long extinct, but apparently

• 1:23:49Speaker 04

  are still alive down there. Now, one thing in the diary that's really off putting is that they always refer to it as the North Pole.

• 1:23:58AJ Gentile?

  They do.

• 1:23:59Speaker 04

  However, the dates exactly match when Bird was in Antarctica for high jump. But here's the thing, AJ, why would you do a flight to the North Pole in the middle of their winter up there in the north of the hemisphere? It's pitch black for 24 hours.

• 1:24:17AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:24:18Speaker 04

  So there's a lot of evidence that the, the son and even Bird's nephew, who acquired the diary after Bird died, because he was given a gag order, never to talk about this ever again. They just changed the location so they could get it out there and maybe at no fault of their own. But you know, Admiral Bird had a son who was named Richard Bird as well.

• 1:24:41AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:24:42Speaker 04

  He came with him. He was a young naval officer. He was there on high jump. His son was going to give a talk in 1988 in Washington DC, got on a train in Boston, and then was never seen again. His body was found a month later in a Baltimore warehouse, wearing a different set of clothes and one shoe was missing. And he had obviously been roughed up. He was probably trying to tell the story of Bird as well. They never got that opportunity.

• 1:25:13AJ Gentile?

  That, that death happened. That's true. Um, I hadn't considered that maybe the diary got the poles mixed up, but it would make sense because I think Bird was much more comfortable with the South Pole. I don't think he even really made it to the North Pole.

• 1:25:26Speaker 04

  No, they think in the time that he was allotted to do that flight in 1926, that he turned around short of the North Pole. And that was about his only expedition up there.

• 1:25:38AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, whenever he would do a mission, he would come back and there'd be a ticker tape parade. After high jump, he gets debriefed and goes quiet.

• 1:25:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:47AJ Gentile?

  So, part of the legend is the, the task force was turned around early.

• 1:25:53Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:25:53AJ Gentile?

  Were they?

• 1:25:54Speaker 04

  Absolutely. That's a known fact. It was meant to be six to eight months with an unlimited budget to do their operational mission. Yet, eight weeks into Operation High Jump, Bird gives the order, let's turn around and leave. And on their way back, they're refueling and restocking in Chile, he gives this infamous interview with, in the El Mercurio newspaper, it was actually going to go out on the wire. It was an American journalist that interviewed him, Van Aatta, but it never made it over the English language wire, but El Mercurio still

• 1:26:36Speaker 04

  ran it. And that's when he said, he didn't want to frighten anybody, but in the event of our next war, we would be facing an enemy that could fly pole to pole at incredible speeds. And I've recounted that article and have the Spanish version as well. So people can read it for themselves and see what they want to see.

• 1:26:58AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I love that. I love that. This is the first time I ever saw the actual article. You have it in your book.

• 1:27:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do.

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• 1:28:06Speaker 04

  So what is down there? And what did he see that made him, and all his crew on high jump were basically debriefed, put into quarantine, and all had to sign non-disclosure agreements? The last survivor of Operation High Jump, Robert Johnson, he just passed away a few years ago, but before he died, he gave interviews and told some very fantastic things, including Bird's flight, second flight, coming back to Little America, white as a ghost. Something definitely affected him on that flight.

• 1:28:45AJ Gentile?

  Was that the flight where he's had a radio contact for three hours?

• 1:28:48Speaker 04

  That's right. They thought he was lost.

• 1:28:50AJ Gentile?

  Which is interesting because with him and Howie in that single prop plane, they shouldn't have had enough fuel.

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  That's the other thing. Yeah, it was certainly not for those extra three hours.

• 1:29:00AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 1:29:01Speaker 04

  So they either would have had to put down and twiddle their thumbs for three hours, or they went somewhere.

• 1:29:06AJ Gentile?

  Or they went somewhere.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08AJ Gentile?

  Oh, it's a good story.

• 1:29:10Speaker 04

  It really is.

• 1:29:11AJ Gentile?

  I have my problems with it, but, but I think there's, there's some, there's something to it. What do you think is down in that hole that we can't see? What's going on with the, with the air tests area?

• 1:29:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, when I spoke to Brian S., Lyndon Moulton Howe's whistleblower, um, he still wants to be anonymous. He said that there was a road that corkscrewed down. I asked him about the weather monitoring station, the clean air sector. He says it's just a cover story. That when they flew over that no-fly zone, they saw no buildings, no machines, no weather forecasting, nothing. It's just a cover story, that there was nothing there. And this is coming from someone who had done several years of service flying in planes.

• 1:30:08Speaker 04

  He was the one that went and collected the missing scientists that went missing for a week. How do you survive on the polar plateau for a week in those harsh conditions outside of your camp? And they too came back white as a ghost.

• 1:30:22AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:30:23Speaker 04

  They wouldn't talk about it.

• 1:30:24AJ Gentile?

  They wouldn't talk about it. They were pushed, shoved onto another plane and got the hell out of there.

• 1:30:28Speaker 04

  To New Zealand, all under quarantine, all their equipment too was under quarantine.

• 1:30:32AJ Gentile?

  This is also very, it's also true.

• 1:30:35Speaker 04

  And in McMurdo, the largest base down there, it's the biggest secret that everybody knows that the NSA has an unmarked building there, that they operate out of McMurdo. And they were the ones that read Brian S. and the crew, the riot act when they came back. What were you doing flying over there? You didn't see what you just saw. And they're working out of Antarctica. Well, the NSA, no such agency. They didn't even admit they existed until the 1980s. They were set up in 47 to handle anything extraterrestrial. And they're the Johnny on the spot. If there's a UFO crash, if there's living or dead ETs, they know how to handle it. So what are they doing down in Antarctica?

• 1:31:18AJ Gentile?

  I don't know. Uh, you know, you talk, you hear about the CIA, CIA, CIA. NSA has a much bigger budget.

• 1:31:25Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:31:26AJ Gentile?

  Much bigger budget than any other intelligence community.

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  And they're super quiet about it.

• 1:31:30AJ Gentile?

  Yes, they are. Um, isn't the octagon reachable from McMurdo?

• 1:31:38Speaker 04

  Well, it is, but I don't think you'd ever get permission to go.

• 1:31:42AJ Gentile?

  No, I mean, part of Spartan 1, I think, so Lyndon Moulton Howe did the Spartan 1 interview, right? I think the story was he found it on a map by accident, almost, like it, it was a no-go. Area that he went out to. Am I getting that right?

• 1:32:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, and they they would have had to take a cat track from McMurdo. And I have a map or his map that he rendered for Linda in his interviews and Spartan one and two. And I was telling you in the pre interview, they won't talk to Linda anymore and they lost their pension and security clearances. So Spartan one and two. They paid the price for blowing the whistle.

• 1:32:24AJ Gentile?

  Um, I'll direct you guys to to the episode on on Spartan one and two. But if you wouldn't mind just telling the story.

• 1:32:30Speaker 04

  So I'm friends with Linda Moulton Howe. We've collaborated on Antarctica. Of course, her whistleblower testimony and me going down there. So I just met with her two weeks ago when I was doing a conference in Albuquerque. She met me and we talked for several hours, had lunch, and she told me that she's very sad that Spartan one and two cannot talk to her anymore or will not talk to her. And that unfortunately, they lost their pension and a lot of their security clearances too. And to me, that just says, okay, that they probably were telling you the truth. Why would they lose all of these pensions and privileges if for a made up story?

• 1:33:13AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:33:13Speaker 04

  Something happened to them.

• 1:33:14AJ Gentile?

  So do you remember the story?

• 1:33:16Speaker 04

  Oh, sure do.

• 1:33:17AJ Gentile?

  Tell it.

• 1:33:17Speaker 04

  So they were tipped off or had seen it on a flyover. They went out to this giant craft that's partly submerged under the Beardmore Glacier. And Spartan one was the first to enter. Said there was what looked like a door and it's black basalt. Shaped like an octagon.

• 1:33:40AJ Gentile?

  A giant octagon shaped thing. Go ahead.

• 1:33:43Speaker 04

  Just touches the door and it opens. Kind of like Edley Scallion's Coral Castle where you just touch the door and it opens a megalithic door. He goes in there and it's illuminated by some kind of greenish light that he can't identify where the light source is coming from. But on the wall are all these hieroglyphs, kind of like Egyptian hieroglyphic, but different. And the most interesting one of them all is not only a star map, kind of like in Benny and Barney Hill when they went aboard a craft during their abduction, they described a star map with all these dots.

• 1:34:18AJ Gentile?

  Accurately.

• 1:34:19Speaker 04

  Accurately. But also the black sun motif. The black sun was what the most occultic esoteric symbols of the SS and the Third Reich. And it is still on the floor of Wee Weaselburg Castle in Germany that Himmler was setting up as a ritual area where they would do the actual seances and occultic episodes in the Wee Weaselburg Castle with this black sun motif. And so here's Spartan one going into this big UFO and there it is right up on the wall.

• 1:34:56AJ Gentile?

  Now, is it freezing in there?

• 1:34:58Speaker 04

  No, he said it was pretty normal temperature.

• 1:35:00AJ Gentile?

  Said it was comfortable.

• 1:35:01Speaker 04

  Yeah. And it was much, much larger on the inside. And we've heard this with a lot of other people that have been aboard UFO crafts where on the outside it looks like a pretty modest craft, but on the inside is ginormous.

• 1:35:15AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:35:15Speaker 04

  Same thing with this black basalt UFO. And not only was it much larger on the inside, but it went down many levels, went down very deep. So I'd say this is one of the Nina Pinta Santa Maria three crafts that are known.

• 1:35:31AJ Gentile?

  You think it's one of those three?

• 1:35:32Speaker 04

  Those three, yeah.

• 1:35:34AJ Gentile?

  And that story comes from Brian, right?

• 1:35:36Speaker 04

  Oh, that comes from Spartan one and two, the black basalt.

• 1:35:39AJ Gentile?

  Black basalt.

• 1:35:40Speaker 04

  Brian was

• 1:35:41AJ Gentile?

  How do you how do you connect? How do you connect that his story to Brian's?

• 1:35:46Speaker 04

  Uh, well, Brian didn't talk about that, but he flew over the Beardmore several times and saw UFOs on several occasions. Flying discs, as he described them, as they were doing just routine flights to the South Pole Station from McMurdo.

• 1:36:01AJ Gentile?

  Buried in the ice?

• 1:36:03Speaker 04

  Uh, no, the UFOs were just flying above.

• 1:36:05AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:36:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. And and moving in a very erratic way that no normal airplane that he was accustomed to, they could hover. They could move very fast. They could do L shaped turns at high speed. That he'd never seen before.

• 1:36:22AJ Gentile?

  No. Do you think the Reich continued and continues?

• 1:36:27Speaker 04

  Well, I do. And that's the Fourth Reich. And there are actual whistleblowers who have come out recently, talking to Stuart Swerdlo, who's the last surviving Montauk boy. And he's been saying in interviews that he has a friend that has lived their entire life in the New Berlin base under the ice. And he told Stuart that they really want to come out and tell the world that we're still here. That we're these multi generational Germans who have lived our entire lives here. But he said, quote, I don't know how the rest of the world would react, knowing that a Fourth Reich has been in existence since the end of World War Two.

• 1:37:10AJ Gentile?

  They would not react well.

• 1:37:11Speaker 04

  I don't think so. And they're worried that there'd be another Operation High Jump to eradicate them.

• 1:37:19AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I've heard that the the best way to start World War Three is for one country to violate the Antarctica treaty.

• 1:37:27Speaker 04

  And you know who that might be is Iran. They even said they want to set up a base at the South Pole.

• 1:37:33AJ Gentile?

  That's true. Iran has made a land claim.

• 1:37:36Speaker 04

  They have. And they've even said the location they want to put their base is at South Pole. And this is that location of the giant hole in the ice.

• 1:37:45AJ Gentile?

  Um, that's where they want to put it?

• 1:37:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:49AJ Gentile?

  We have to follow. I wonder what's going to happen. There's I think there's 57 nations signed on to that. I don't know if Iran is one.

• 1:37:56Speaker 04

  They are not one of them, but I have the interview notes of the general who said, we intend to put our base at the South Pole. And Hitler was also in one of his secret speeches to the commanders who are in charge of New Schwabenland kept mentioning the South Pole, which is not in New Schwabenland proper.

• 1:38:20AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:38:20Speaker 04

  It's a different location, but he keeps referencing the South Pole, going to the South Pole, what's at the South Pole. And there's that hole in the ice. So it's all these data points, AJ, that just keep pointing to something very massive, something major is being protected in that location.

• 1:38:38AJ Gentile?

  There's no question. Um, I did one episode where I showed some Google Earth photos. It wasn't exactly Antarctica, but it was right on the islands near it. It's a giant cavern and you could see cat tracks and it's kind of dirty from trucks and stuff. And it's maybe a six year old image and it's crisp. You'd go one year ahead, it's blurry. You can't really see what's going on. You go two years ahead and it's just whited out.

• 1:39:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:06AJ Gentile?

  So that's what they're doing at the hole.

• 1:39:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I've seen that in other locations such as underneath Malibu, California, there's a big sea entrance and Google Earth just blurred that out.

• 1:39:17AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. So there are places that they don't want you to look at.

• 1:39:21AJ Gentile?

  For sure. Let's take a quick break. We'll keep going on the weird stuff.

• 1:39:24Speaker 04

  You bet.

• 1:39:25AJ Gentile?

  All right, we're back.

• 1:39:28AJ Gentile?

  Is there a connection to the Spear of Destiny to Antarctica?

• 1:39:32Speaker 04

  That's what I found out to be one of the most esoteric and interesting connections to this all.

• 1:39:38AJ Gentile?

  So what's the spear?

• 1:39:39Speaker 04

  So the Spear of Destiny or the Spear of Longinus was the spear that pierced Jesus on the cross. And it was preserved and survived and it's right up there with the Holy Grail as the most sought after relic. Holy Grail has never been found, but the Spear of Destiny passed on through the generations in Germany. And it was part of the First Reich, the Second Reich, and then the Third Reich when Adolf Hitler annexed Austria in 1938. The first thing he did was he went to the Habsburg Museum in Vienna

• 1:40:20Speaker 04

  to acquire the Spear of Destiny. And I have a picture in the book where he's just there all alone in front of it. Because he believed that with these artifacts that no army or nation could resist the expansion of the Third Reich, which was supposed to be a thousand year Reich.

• 1:40:40AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:40:40Speaker 04

  But it only lasted 12 years.

• 1:40:43AJ Gentile?

  But who knows how long it would have lasted if he found the Ark of the Covenant or something like that?

• 1:40:48Speaker 04

  Too, but the the Antarctica connection is that when the Third Reich was starting to see that the war was lost, that they put a replica in a very obvious location, too obvious to be supportive of that being the actual relic itself, which was found by Patton's army himself. And it was sent back to the US where it's supposedly still located, but the real one went down to Antarctica and it is what has given the Fourth Reich their power of providence in Antarctica.

• 1:41:27AJ Gentile?

  What what power? Does the spear have?

• 1:41:29Speaker 04

  Well, it is one of those things that if you are in possession of it, that no army or no nation can defeat you. And that's why the First and Second and Third Reich had it, but the tide had turned in Germany, uh, in World War II in 1943, when they started being on the defensive from the Russians. And I guess it lost its power then, but maybe it still has it now.

• 1:41:58AJ Gentile?

  Any other artifacts down there that are rumored to be?

• 1:42:01Speaker 04

  Well, they seem to have came out with a lot of wealth and resources and a lot of the uh, craft that they were working on, these flugelrod, the flying wings, those craft also mysteriously vanished. And when the Allies got to some of the locations like the Skoda Works in former Czech Republic, that they found that all the materiel was gone. And only a few of the scientists were left with a bullet in their head. Maybe they refused to go.

• 1:42:37AJ Gentile?

  I think all the De Klaakha scientists were, were, were gone.

• 1:42:41Speaker 04

  Gone, missing. No sign of them.

• 1:42:43AJ Gentile?

  It just disappeared.

• 1:42:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:46AJ Gentile?

  In the, in 1990, maybe 1991, the United States said, hey, would you guys mind if we did a little digging? They wanted, it was a quote unquote mining operation. Um, but they wanted to do some digging. The, the UN wouldn't allow it. But you can't help but wonder if what they wanted to dig for.

• 1:43:06Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:43:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. And why would they decline such a request?

• 1:43:12AJ Gentile?

  Hmm.

• 1:43:12Speaker 04

  Unless there was something. There are places that are just no go, no dig, no even flyover zones of Antarctica. And that's always the, the biggest question for me is what is to be hidden down there? And Admiral Byrd, in his final interview on the Lung Jeans Watch interview, remember the black and white?

• 1:43:35AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:43:35Speaker 04

  He said on several occasions that there is this land beyond the poles.

• 1:43:40AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:43:41Speaker 04

  Well, it's just the polar plateau up there for hundreds of miles in all directions. It's just a flat piece of ice. So what kind of land beyond the pole are you referring to? Unless he's giving us a veiled answer to the hole in the ice and what might be down there.

• 1:43:58AJ Gentile?

  It's so big and so volcanic that there's got to be

• 1:44:01Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:44:02AJ Gentile?

  holes. There's gotta be places there.

• 1:44:04Speaker 04

  And there has to be big, large openings with the geothermal heat would be supportive of living down there, even T-shirt weather.

• 1:44:13AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:44:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:44:14AJ Gentile?

  Is that a hole big enough to fly in?

• 1:44:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, so according to Terzinski, who is working on some of these Russian documents that came out after the Cold War, he said it was miles across, that it'd be plenty of room to even fly a 747 down into the hole, turn around and come back out.

• 1:44:35AJ Gentile?

  Miles across?

• 1:44:36Speaker 04

  Miles across. Yeah. That's how big it is. So you know, after the Soviet Union collapsed in the early 1990s, you could go to Moscow with a suitcase full of hard currency because the ruble was going into hyperinflation. And there were people from the KGB that would say, okay, what do you want?

• 1:44:55AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:44:56Speaker 04

  Okay, I want a UFO crash videos. Yeah, we got those. Okay, I want an alien autopsy video. Yep, got those too. And also this Antarctica stuff came out to this journalist named Nikolai Subotin, who purchased them on the black market. And just in the last few years, started doing videos where he'll show stacks of these U-boat maps. Boy, would I like to get my hands on one of those. Uh, and

• 1:45:25Speaker 04

  saying that he got more than just the maps. He got notebooks from Colonel Wolf, which was one of the top officers in charge of Antarctica and other material. So it was really the golden age of disclosure in the former Soviet Union, when all this material came out.

• 1:45:43AJ Gentile?

  Have you seen those notebooks?

• 1:45:45Speaker 04

  I've only seen the videos of him flipping through them and the excerpts of what was written, including these secret Hitler speeches to the officers where they're looking for recruits to go down to the new Schwabenland bases.

• 1:46:00AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:46:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:46:02AJ Gentile?

  So, so much of your work has sources, citations. Uh, you double check, you triple check. Yeah, you get into some wild stuff, but for the most part, I consider you're a pretty good researcher. Um, alien autopsies debunked. So how do, when you get a story, what did, what's the sniff test for you?

• 1:46:25Speaker 04

  Well, I'm a researcher just like you and, and I maybe cast a wider net perhaps because I like to look at every story at every different angle.

• 1:46:34AJ Gentile?

  I love that you do that.

• 1:46:35Speaker 04

  So the sniff test for me is how many data points can I get that'll match this? So let's use, uh, the Roswell crash, for example. Neither you or I were even born then, so we can't go by our own personal eyewitness. We can just go by what others have said and that this disc crashed on Max Brazel's ranch just outside of Roswell and they had collected some of the pieces and there were reports of alien bodies. And then the, uh, army moved in and to collect it. And then they changed the story after the headlines ran.

• 1:47:11AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:47:13Speaker 04

  Captured on Roswell Ranch. And then it was crash test dummies and it was just, uh, something else that went down there.

• 1:47:21AJ Gentile?

  Data points forever on that one.

• 1:47:22Speaker 04

  Data points forever on that. And the whole book by, uh, Corso called The Day After Roswell, and that's when the cover up began.

• 1:47:31AJ Gentile?

  So I've, I thought I saw in one of your books that you like to have three data points. Can, are there three data points for the, for Bird's diary? Cause that's one that I want to believe.

• 1:47:41Speaker 04

  Hmm, hmm. Well, I think those data points go beyond the diary and that is the suggestion that Bird was down there, that he did another flight to the South Pole with those three hours of missing time. He knew where the hole was based on his flight map from 1929. Why wouldn't he go back there if you can fly a plane into it? A larger plane that could go deep down in to do this flight. And the other data points is Robert Johnson, the last survivor of high jump, who said, not only did he see Bird come back, he wouldn't fill out a flight log for the trip.

• 1:48:21Speaker 04

  He said, uh, at that time already that we can't talk about this, but he said to Robert Johnson directly, you know, and you saw what I saw and you'll remember this.

• 1:48:31AJ Gentile?

  Bird didn't fill out a flight log?

• 1:48:32Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:48:33AJ Gentile?

  That would be a first.

• 1:48:34Speaker 04

  And it would be a first because he was all about by the book.

• 1:48:38AJ Gentile?

  Sure. He was taking notes in flight.

• 1:48:40Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Uh, writing it in the secret diary, which passed on to his son, who died under these mysterious circumstances himself.

• 1:48:47AJ Gentile?

  That's, there's no question that happens.

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• 1:49:53AJ Gentile?

  What about that part of the story? Where it might've been a destroyer was attacked by a UFO during high jump?

• 1:50:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. And that came out of the Russian archives as well.

• 1:50:07AJ Gentile?

  It did.

• 1:50:07Speaker 04

  And they did that documentary about 25, 30 years ago.

• 1:50:11AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:50:12Speaker 04

  Where they, I kind of think there was a little, uh, schottenfreud and they, they like to, uh, you know, hand it to the Americans a little bit. Look, you got your ass handed to you in high jump and here's how and here's why. And they had in the documentary, uh, admirals of the Russian Navy being interviewed and like Terzinski, a researcher who had access to some of these files about what really happened in high jump. And they, they couldn't help but, uh, yeah, just jar us a little bit. Hey, you guys got your ass kicked. You know, they went down there too.

• 1:50:46AJ Gentile?

  Of course.

• 1:50:47Speaker 04

  Uh, and they, they had first dibs on the German Kriegsmarine documents. So they had these, uh, these maps that went top secret with the KGB and the NKVD, the secret police acquired this stuff. And there's this, uh, another document that Subotin had gotten was this KGB ROM file. So everything that they learned from these maps and documents that went into this KGB ROM file that went all the way up to Stalin himself. And Stalin ordered his submarines to retrace the steps.

• 1:51:29Speaker 04

  And they went down there also in 1946, 47.

• 1:51:33AJ Gentile?

  They did.

• 1:51:34Speaker 04

  A lot of people don't know this.

• 1:51:35AJ Gentile?

  I did not.

• 1:51:35Speaker 04

  And they were met with submersibles at a choke point at this location where they were meant to dive under to come up to a lake and then continue on to Agartha. The Russians never met it, but when they surfaced, they saw some of the high jump ships. And the Americans saw the Soviets and it was like a Mexican standoff. What are you doing here? I don't know. What are you doing here? No shots were fired, but they were both down there in the first Antarctic summer to go down there to try to dislodge the Germans.

• 1:52:09AJ Gentile?

  Wow. I didn't know that.

• 1:52:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's in the KGB ROM file.

• 1:52:15AJ Gentile?

  So high jump then was not successful.

• 1:52:17Speaker 04

  Not at all. It was a rout. And again, history is written by the winners.

• 1:52:22AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:52:22Speaker 04

  And you don't want to admit you got beat by the Antarctic Germans. No, by the way, they don't like to be known as Nazis anymore.

• 1:52:30AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 1:52:31Speaker 04

  I'll just tell you a quick side note. I did a, my Antarctica presentation under the ice of the German U-boat maps in Germany. Just this last May. I didn't know how well it would be received. Cause there are laws that you are not allowed to aggrandize the Third Reich or even have a swastika flag or anything. So here's me going down there, giving this talk about their flugge rod, flying craft and these maps showing the Germans making it underground. Afterwards, it was very well received. People came up to me and say, leave it to an American to come to Germany to tell us our true history.

• 1:53:10Speaker 04

  I'm like, I'm just doing what I do. And they also said that there's a location in Southern Germany. Called the Unterberg, near the Eagles Nest where Hitler had his second headquarters.

• 1:53:26AJ Gentile?

  Unterberg, that's the underworld, the undercity.

• 1:53:29Speaker 04

  And that's the above mountain, which has an entry into the underground base. In this Alps region of Birch's Garden, near Salzburg.

• 1:53:43AJ Gentile?

  Under the Eagles Nest?

• 1:53:44Speaker 04

  Well, near there. Very near there. You can see the Unterberg from the Eagles Nest.

• 1:53:48AJ Gentile?

  Has anyone explored it or is that a theory?

• 1:53:50Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:53:50AJ Gentile?

  Really?

• 1:53:51Speaker 04

  Oh, well, they know they're there because somebody came up to me and says, oh yeah, I live down there and we see. Uh, what looked like the Honey Boo craft coming in and out of the Unterberg all the time.

• 1:54:02AJ Gentile?

  Still?

• 1:54:03Speaker 04

  Still to this day.

• 1:54:05AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:54:05Speaker 04

  And they were absolutely fascinated with an entrance to the inner earth world through the Unterberg. In the Salzburg region. And that's maybe why Hitler. Ordered his Eagles Nest to be built there, which is now a museum and you can go up there and see it.

• 1:54:23AJ Gentile?

  You cannot. Kind of creepy.

• 1:54:24Speaker 04

  This guy is very creepy. Yeah.

• 1:54:28AJ Gentile?

  Do you think that these tunnels are connected?

• 1:54:33Speaker 04

  It's a pretty good chance they are. And I have a mock-up of inner earth world in my book. Showing the Agartha, the land of advanced civilizations, as it's called on this map. But it shows many locations around the world, including Mammoth Cave in Kentucky and.

• 1:54:51AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:54:52Speaker 04

  Below the Patala Palace in Tibet, these entrances into this inner world. That certainly the Germans would have been on that tip and following up on every lead they could get to try to get down there and find it for themselves.

• 1:55:07AJ Gentile?

  What do you think about the connection of Agartha to Mount Shasta?

• 1:55:11Speaker 04

  Hmm. That's another one on this map and Mount Shasta.

• 1:55:15AJ Gentile?

  Mount Shasta is on that map?

• 1:55:16Speaker 04

  Uh, yes. And as well as, uh, other very famous volcanic areas. Because it's known that Mount Shasta has a hollow neck.

• 1:55:27AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:55:27Speaker 04

  In the cavity of the volcano.

• 1:55:31AJ Gentile?

  Lava tubes everywhere.

• 1:55:32Speaker 04

  With, there's not only benevolent ETs such as those dwellers of Telos, the city there.

• 1:55:40AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:55:41Speaker 04

  There are malevolent ETs like reptilians with a base there. And I don't know if you know this, but on the eastern side of Mount Shasta is all a fenced off military installation.

• 1:55:53AJ Gentile?

  I did not know that.

• 1:55:54Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:55:56AJ Gentile?

  We're gonna need to look into that. The, the native people there. Are not allowed to go above the tree line because that is the dwelling of the sky people.

• 1:56:05Speaker 04

  Right. And above, right at the tree line, at the top of the, uh, the highway to go to the old snow bowl. Ski area that got closed because of an avalanche. That's the Panther Meadows. And the Panther Meadows has a natural, uh, spring emanating from there. And Native American people are allowed to go up there and do ritual and pow wow. For, uh, several days during the summer and nobody's allowed up there when they're doing that.

• 1:56:34AJ Gentile?

  What book has, has that map?

• 1:56:38Speaker 04

  The map of the inner world is right here in.

• 1:56:40AJ Gentile?

  I'm just, I'm wondering if Mount Hayes is on there, if Kailash is on there. The ones that come up in all the stories that I.

• 1:56:49Speaker 04

  It's this map.

• 1:56:50AJ Gentile?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:56:50Speaker 04

  These are all the locations around it.

• 1:56:52AJ Gentile?

  I know this map.

• 1:56:55Speaker 04

  And there you can see, um, in Brazil and Venezuela, there's a tribe of Indians. And I describe them in this book that also are the protectors of this entrance.

• 1:57:08AJ Gentile?

  There's the city of Shambala.

• 1:57:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's a singular location.

• 1:57:12AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:57:12Speaker 04

  But you could see Agartha is the land of advanced civilizations.

• 1:57:18AJ Gentile?

  Do you connect any of these theories to the lost continent of Mu?

• 1:57:25Speaker 04

  Well, that, that would have been in the Pacific region.

• 1:57:27AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:57:28Speaker 04

  And my next book is called underwater archaeology. And I break it into lost civilizations and La Muria is a chapter, Atlantis is a chapter, even Hyperborea. Is a chapter, all with underwater archaeology.

• 1:57:44AJ Gentile?

  The reason I ask is because I, I connected the La Moria civilization to Telos. And I was wondering if you were going to work on that. I can't wait for that book. Hyperborea. I don't know that one.

• 1:57:55Speaker 04

  Well, that's the earliest civilization on earth. Now we're talking about a million plus years. And this goes into Michael Crema's work, Forbidden Archaeology. Fortunately, he just passed away last week. And he, in his bestselling book, talks about gear shafts that were found in a seam of coal in Siberia. That are dated, you can carbon date coal because it's organic material, a million years.

• 1:58:26AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:58:26Speaker 04

  Of interconnecting gears. And actually I have a picture of it in, uh, modern esoteric. As well as a whole bunch of other artifacts that can be traced to this very, very old civilization.

• 1:58:39AJ Gentile?

  What is his speculation on how advanced it was and what happened to it?

• 1:58:43Speaker 04

  Well, and that's why he got such a bad name in the archaeological community. Because he would talk about these out of place artifacts.

• 1:58:51AJ Gentile?

  I ignore all those people.

• 1:58:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're best to be ignored. Cause this is where the good stuff is AJ. This is when we get to the meat and potatoes.

• 1:58:59AJ Gentile?

  No one has to believe any of this. It's none of my business. I enjoy all of it.

• 1:59:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, and you should, and we all should, and we all need to consider all the viewpoints. When it's debunked, sure, let it go. But until then, how do you explain seams of coal from Siberia with. Uh, gear shafts embedded into the coal. And this has been found in America too, and other places around the world, as well as the Baltic Sea anomaly. And I got to meet Dennis Ossberg, who discovered the Baltic Sea anomaly about 10 years ago. And it's like the Millennium Falcon.

• 1:59:34AJ Gentile?

  It is.

• 1:59:35Speaker 04

  Crashed at the bottom of, but it shows the skid mark.

• 1:59:38AJ Gentile?

  You see it for that it looked like it's landed and skidded.

• 1:59:42Speaker 04

  And it even has the dirt piled up below it.

• 1:59:45AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:59:45Speaker 04

  So that could have only happened when the Baltic Sea was in dry land. And that's, uh, the, the area of the North Sea, which was above ground.

• 1:59:55AJ Gentile?

  So this is Antediluvian.

• 1:59:56Speaker 04

  Yes, very much so. So I asked Dennis about not only discovering it. And last year, they went down and they found that the Baltic Sea anomaly craft is stone.

• 2:00:09AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:00:09Speaker 04

  And in stone, um, how could that be a craft, right? It, it would have to been this natural formation. But, uh, after so many years of pressure and minerals. A lot of people who have seen UFOs say that when you touch them, it's like you're touching an elephant skin.

• 2:00:30AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:00:30Speaker 04

  That it's sentient, that it's alive, and it actually works in conjunction with the pilot. And so the Baltic Sea anomaly could have been one of these living craft. And after all this time, uh, it became petrified, just like the petrified forests in Arizona and elsewhere. That, uh, that, that it's so old that it could date back to Hyperborea. When the Baltic Sea would have been above ground.

• 2:00:56AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, they need to drill into that.

• 2:00:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's doing that this summer.

• 2:00:59AJ Gentile?

  Is he? I thought he was having trouble getting funding.

• 2:01:02Speaker 04

  Uh, maybe so, but he told me at Contact in the Desert this year that they were gonna, the plan was to go out this summer.

• 2:01:09AJ Gentile?

  Well, that's great. Dennis, if you're listening, start a GoFundMe or something. Get some money your way.

• 2:01:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:01:14AJ Gentile?

  I'd love to know what's down there.

• 2:01:16Speaker 04

  Put you in touch with him too, if you wanted to, next time he's in America or have him come out. He's starting to speak at conferences now and he agreed with me that it would have been very, very old and had been organic at one point and had petrified to its stone-like state to where it is today.

• 2:01:35AJ Gentile?

  So that's your next book is, are these civilizations?

• 2:01:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, underwater archaeology. So namely, the megalithic and stone structures that have been found under the sea. Now tell me, how do you build a megalithic structure underwater? It had to have been a time when the sea levels were much lower.

• 2:01:54AJ Gentile?

  Is hyper, hyper?

• 2:01:55Speaker 04

  Borea is the first chapter, yeah.

• 2:01:57AJ Gentile?

  Is that, that's the oldest one?

• 2:01:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:02:00AJ Gentile?

  Do we know what happened to them?

• 2:02:02Speaker 04

  Uh, there are periodic times when the earth goes through a polar shift situation where the continents move around and it triggers earthquakes and tidal waves and uh, volcanoes around the world that would wipe out these civilizations or at least disguise them or sink them to the bottom of the ocean. And that's also true with La Muria and Atlantis.

• 2:02:29AJ Gentile?

  How about high Brazil?

• 2:02:31Speaker 04

  High Brazil, yeah, that mythical island in the North Atlantic off the coast of Ireland.

• 2:02:37AJ Gentile?

  Yeah. I don't, I don't know if it's so mythical.

• 2:02:40Speaker 04

  I would love to see some evidence for it. Comes and goes.

• 2:02:44AJ Gentile?

  They're finding some stuff all around, um, the UK that there, there were settlements down there.

• 2:02:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:02:49AJ Gentile?

  Maybe not high Brazil out that far, but certainly it shallow parts of the channel and elsewhere.

• 2:02:54Speaker 04

  Or how about the pyramids off the Azores Islands that were just discovered 10 years ago by a fisherman using sonar.

• 2:03:01AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 2:03:02Speaker 04

  Perfect four-sided pyramids underwater.

• 2:03:04AJ Gentile?

  So you, you cover all that's Yana, Yana Guni, Bimini Road?

• 2:03:08Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:09AJ Gentile?

  Okay. Any theories?

• 2:03:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, there were high-tech civilizations on this planet.

• 2:03:14AJ Gentile?

  High-tech?

• 2:03:15Speaker 04

  High-tech, like the Baltic Sea anomaly, like creating megalithic formations. Yonaguni, Bimini Roads, megalithic structures under the sea that have just been, uh, lost to time, but now being rediscovered. And there's our data points for these high-tech megalithic building cultures of an antediluvian timeframe.

• 2:03:41AJ Gentile?

  I want it to be true.

• 2:03:43Speaker 04

  Want to believe.

• 2:03:44AJ Gentile?

  I wanna believe. How, how come there's nothing in orbit from these cultures? Is it too long ago or?

• 2:03:51Speaker 04

  I think it's always been there. We're just seeing with new eyes and starting to discover them and saying, look, there is evidence for an Atlantis, not just from Plato's account, but that the.

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• 2:05:03Speaker 04

  Outside the pillars of Hercules, which is Gibraltar and, uh, Morocco on the other side. That, that's where the Azores are and that's where.

• 2:05:14AJ Gentile?

  That's, that's true.

• 2:05:15Speaker 04

  Sunken ruins and, and by extension into the Caribbean Sea, the, the sunken city off of Cuba and even Antarctica. All roads lead to Antarctica.

• 2:05:26AJ Gentile?

  They do. That sunken city in Cuba, I think, I think it's been dated 50,000 years old.

• 2:05:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:05:32AJ Gentile?

  That's a wild one. Um, anyone working on that that you know of?

• 2:05:35Speaker 04

  Well, the trail ran dark once again after the people who found it released their studies and it's so deep that they can't even get in a submersible down there.

• 2:05:47AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:48Speaker 04

  But there's actually a backstory with, that includes Bob Lazar.

• 2:05:53AJ Gentile?

  Really?

• 2:05:53Speaker 04

  That sunken city, yeah. And it goes as such that our navy discovered it in the 1970s. And they found in that city was an intact UFO. And with great effort, they were able to take, extract it out of there. And inside, they found the energy source about the size of a basketball. And it was none other than the father of the hydrogen bomb himself, Teller, who said, while they were working on it in Area 51, they couldn't get it to work again. All right, cut it in half. And it created a small nuclear explosion, killed all the scientists.

• 2:06:36Speaker 04

  And Bob Lazar said he was brought on as the next generation of scientists hired by Edward Teller himself. Out of Los Alamos.

• 2:06:46AJ Gentile?

  Um, he definitely, I don't know if he was hired by Ed Teller, but he was recommended by Ed Teller.

• 2:06:50Speaker 04

  Okay, for that too. And he came on to the team, but he always said that it was from this UFO found off the Cuba site that they were working on, that Teller said, just cut it open. And it set off a small nuclear explosion, killed all the scientists.

• 2:07:09AJ Gentile?

  I wonder if it was element 115.

• 2:07:11Speaker 04

  Another show.

• 2:07:12AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, it's another show. Um, do you have any favorite of these ancient cultures?

• 2:07:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I guess I'm always drawn to Atlantis because I think we have the most data points there.

• 2:07:26AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:07:26Speaker 04

  That there is, uh, there was an ancient civilization that was very high-tech. From the RH negative blood type to what Edgar Cayce said that in 1968, much later than his period, he was already passed away. That's when they found the Bimini Roads.

• 2:07:43AJ Gentile?

  That's true.

• 2:07:44Speaker 04

  So there's all these data points that kind of come in and connect to this high-tech civilization being Atlantis. Um, and another one of these pole shift scenarios where continents moved around and drifted and big catastrophes took out much of the, the land following. But then the survivors built Egypt as the Assyrian Empire. And then that was, pick up the story then with civilization starting all over once again.

• 2:08:19AJ Gentile?

  Was starting once again. Do you think when civilization gets restarted, that we have help from someone?

• 2:08:27Speaker 04

  Well, that's a hard one to prove, but I think with all the UFO.

• 2:08:32AJ Gentile?

  We're in fun, fun time now.

• 2:08:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're in fun time, right. This is when we go the extra hour.

• 2:08:37AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:08:38Speaker 04

  And talk about the fun time. Yeah, you, when you, when you, once again, connect all these, uh, data points to the Roswell crash, to all the UFO sightings. I had a opportunity to talk one-on-one with, uh, Dr. Stephen Greer, uh, during the Conscious Awards. We were out on a yacht, uh, tour and it started pouring rain. I come running in and there he is. Hey, Dr. Greer. We hadn't met before and he knew me. And my question was, how many UFOs around the world are ours or theirs? What do you think he said?

• 2:09:13AJ Gentile?

  I think he said 80%.

• 2:09:14Speaker 04

  He did indeed. 80% are ours.

• 2:09:17AJ Gentile?

  Ours.

• 2:09:17Speaker 04

  Backward engineered, flying wing, honey boo craft.

• 2:09:22AJ Gentile?

  Lockheed Martin, all that stuff.

• 2:09:24Speaker 04

  And, and the ETs are here. They don't always want us to see them. And notice how it's always been, oh, look to the skies, the extraterrestrials are gonna come down. What about right below our feet? What about the inter-terrestrials?

• 2:09:37AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:09:38Speaker 04

  That's the story we never, rarely hear. I think they've been here for a long time.

• 2:09:43AJ Gentile?

  I think so too. And I don't, I'm, I'm not convinced they're from another planet. I think they're terrestrial, terrestrial.

• 2:09:48Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 2:09:49AJ Gentile?

  And when you talk about these ancient civilizations, the, the connections start to make themselves. And I think we should be looking underwater. I don't think we should be looking in the sky.

• 2:10:00Speaker 04

  And isn't it interesting that all of a sudden Trump and other military people, Grush are talking about under the ocean civilizations and inter-terrestrials coming from the oceans. That might be the next big story where they're coming from, right here on planet earth, right under our oceans.

• 2:10:20AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, there's, uh, there's a rumor or a story about something that was found or heard deep in the Mariana Trench, but we can't go, we can't go there. So if, so if you wanted to hide, that's where I'd go.

• 2:10:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:10:34AJ Gentile?

  Um, we hear stories about the craft off of Malibu, off of Catalina Island.

• 2:10:39Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:10:40AJ Gentile?

  Giant craft in near the Bermuda Triangle that the Navy says that they're aware of, aware of, and when it moves, they, they keep their distance. And, uh, small craft are coming out of this thing.

• 2:10:52Speaker 04

  Guadalupe Island off of Baja, Mexico.

• 2:10:55AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:10:56Speaker 04

  And that is my final chapter in underwater archaeology are underwater ET bases and all the locations underwater that are very anomalous, that are associated with ET races living under our oceans.

• 2:11:11AJ Gentile?

  Now, in Olsen's style, we're gonna have maps of everything and all that.

• 2:11:14Speaker 04

  Betcha.

• 2:11:15AJ Gentile?

  I can't wait. I can't wait. Um, anything else you wanna cover about secrets?

• 2:11:22AJ Gentile?

  Antarctica before we get to a few final personal questions.

• 2:11:26Speaker 04

  Well, just that this is the the last great enigma on planet Earth. I mean, if you were in ET race and you wanted to hide from satellites or military or governments, the last truly unexplored areas are these deepest depths of the ocean and under the ice in Antarctica. And that's where I think real true disclosure could come from.

• 2:11:52AJ Gentile?

  What do you think happens if Iran really goes?

• 2:11:57Speaker 04

  If.

• 2:11:57AJ Gentile?

  If Iran really.

• 2:11:59Speaker 04

  Really goes.

• 2:12:00AJ Gentile?

  Really goes to the hole.

• 2:12:01Speaker 04

  Then they would disclose that here is this entrance with a road going down into it.

• 2:12:08AJ Gentile?

  You don't think nations prevent them from going?

• 2:12:10Speaker 04

  Well, I think there would probably be a war before they were allowed to do that or even set up a base.

• 2:12:16AJ Gentile?

  You know, there's a war now, right?

• 2:12:17Speaker 04

  There is a war now. It would certainly escalate.

• 2:12:22Speaker 04

  And maybe this is why we went to war with Iran is to prevent them or delay them from getting down there.

• 2:12:28AJ Gentile?

  I have my concerns about that because I've been hearing about their nuclear program for a long time. And we're at war again. So I have my concerns about that, especially when I heard that they were interested in the South Pole.

• 2:12:44AJ Gentile?

  We'll have to see what happens.

• 2:12:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's the biggest Y-file of them all.

• 2:12:50AJ Gentile?

  Yes, it is.

• 2:12:55AJ Gentile?

  All right.

• 2:12:57AJ Gentile?

  What's the biggest? What's the biggest basement party you ever threw? Was it Psycho Bash? Was it the box?

• 2:13:06AJ Gentile?

  What is this part of your life about?

• 2:13:08Speaker 04

  Oh, well, this part of my life is about the research, getting to the bottom of it. From the time I was a kid, I just started questioning, why don't we live on a utopia planet? Humans are smart. We're clever. We can figure this stuff out. We don't have to have people going to sleep starving tonight and one quarter of the population does.

• 2:13:31AJ Gentile?

  You're such a hippie, man.

• 2:13:33Speaker 04

  I just want it to be good for everybody.

• 2:13:36AJ Gentile?

  We're greedy and we're selfish.

• 2:13:38Speaker 04

  I want to escape this prison planet. How do we do that? What is, who are the forces that are keeping us down?

• 2:13:44AJ Gentile?

  That's it, to escape a prison.

• 2:13:46Speaker 04

  Subtitle of Beyond Esoteric.

• 2:13:48AJ Gentile?

  It's a great book also.

• 2:13:49Speaker 04

  And just trying to really get to the bottom of all this. And it turns out, like Bill Cooper said, you put the aliens in the middle of this stuff and you get all the answers. Because there has been multiple agendas on Earth. And I just came from Dulce, New Mexico, my first time going there.

• 2:14:09AJ Gentile?

  Oh, the secret underground base.

• 2:14:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Archelada Mesa. It's a weird place, I'll tell you. Of course, didn't see anything or any sightings, but just those data points of Paul Benowitz and Castillo, who had eyewitness reports going there and the high-speed tube from Los Alamos. And I went there for the first time, too. That's a two Dulce is the only sign in those tubes. So it's just putting all this together, AJ. I mean, it's a macro puzzle with so many moving parts and so many pieces. But it all kind of leads to the question, why have the human race, why do we still go to war? What is this all about? Why are we being suppressed in becoming the best we can be?

• 2:14:55Speaker 04

  And even the superhuman abilities, which I think we're all born with these innate abilities of telepathy, of astro traveling, if we're taught properly in school, we could be doing telekinesis and bending spoons and stuff. But we're not being taught that. And my question always is why? The Y-files, why have we been held back? Yeah.

• 2:15:18AJ Gentile?

  That's part of the Anunnaki story is they suppressed all those powers that we have.

• 2:15:23Speaker 04

  I think you're right.

• 2:15:24AJ Gentile?

  I think there's something to it.

• 2:15:27Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 2:15:28AJ Gentile?

  I mean,

• 2:15:30AJ Gentile?

  there's sections in modern esoteric, it ends with the chapter, so you want to throw a street fair.

• 2:15:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:15:35AJ Gentile?

  Right before chapter on the Buddha. So why is a permanent noise complaint how to in a book about hidden knowledge? What is that about?

• 2:15:45Speaker 04

  Well, I saw an interview with the Dalai Lama one time and somebody said, well, what can an ordinary person do to help make world peace a reality? And he said, well, you can throw a festival. You can bring people together, have a good time, bring up the enlightenment value that way.

• 2:16:06AJ Gentile?

  Is that your Dalai Lama impression?

• 2:16:07Speaker 04

  That is.

• 2:16:07AJ Gentile?

  It's not bad.

• 2:16:08Speaker 04

  I'm trying.

• 2:16:11Speaker 04

  And so I just took that to note that, hey, yeah, maybe there is something we can do. And so for 25 years, I threw the biggest electronic street fair party in San Francisco.

• 2:16:21AJ Gentile?

  So people are wondering, you know, are you this nice? And you are. And I think one of the reasons, if you could tell the story, is what you witnessed in Calcutta.

• 2:16:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Calcutta is one of the poorest cities in all of Asia. It's where I kind of like the Buddha. When he left the princely confines in Nepal, he saw starving people, people without limbs, people living in the worst form of poverty. What was true then is also true now. And it really affected me on a soul level. And that's why I say, why can't the human race find out a way to take care of the lowest common denominator? Because really, we're only advanced as the people starving on the streets of Calcutta.

• 2:17:14Speaker 04

  So as long as that's occurring, that's a reflection of the human race. And I just thought there has to be a better way. There has to be a way to lift, high tide lifts all boats. And there's got to be a way to bring us together as a human family. And that's what the ETs have also said, that they're waiting for us to come together to really create a peaceful society here before we could sit at the table with them. Because right now, looking down on Earth, this is like the planet of the apes.

• 2:17:48AJ Gentile?

  We're not ready, man.

• 2:17:48Speaker 04

  We're not ready yet. But you and I know we are ready.

• 2:17:52AJ Gentile?

  I know.

• 2:17:53Speaker 04

  But until that time comes, we have to just ask these questions. Why is there this injustice in the suffering in the world? Why are there still genocides being taking place? And we don't want to get into the political side of this, but we just look at the big picture of what's going on with the human family and there's still so much animosity.

• 2:18:15AJ Gentile?

  Well, if we get beyond the politics and think about all the nations that are at war.

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• 2:19:22AJ Gentile?

  If you talk to the people, not the generals, not the leaders, if you talk to the people, nobody wants to be at war.

• 2:19:29Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:19:30AJ Gentile?

  China doesn't want to be at war. Iranians don't want to be at war. Nobody wants to be at war.

• 2:19:34Speaker 04

  And that was my big takeaway from Calcutta and traveling around the world for three years. And in my twenties, I was basically living out of a backpack most of that time. And the big takeaway is people are good and genuine and friendly and kind. And they only want to invite you in. And I found that the poorer the people are, the more generous they are. Come into my home, meet my family, have a cup of tea. Let's find that singularity, that similarity between us. And it's there, even if you can't even speak a single word to that person. You can just look into their eyes and see that they have a big heart.

• 2:20:14Speaker 04

  And they want what's best for everybody else, just as I do, coming from this affluent country called America, where everybody thinks we're a multimillionaire and we've got everything we'd ever want. But they don't understand that people here in this country are just so focused on the bottom line and making money and advancing their career that they lose sight of all the rest around the world. And that's what I would like to reflect in my books and in my interviews is that we are a human family. And until we treat ourselves in that way, we won't be invited to the table with the benevolent ETs.

• 2:20:58Speaker 04

  And maybe justifiably so, but I think there are enough of us that we will change this equation and we will someday, I hope in our lifetimes, that this could happen. An end of war, an end of starvation, true justice for those who have perpetrated these crimes against humanity.

• 2:21:24AJ Gentile?

  I think you're right, or I'm hopeful.

• 2:21:27Speaker 04

  I'm hopeful.

• 2:21:30AJ Gentile?

  If you guys buy one book, you've got to buy the Antarctica book because you'll love it.

• 2:21:38Speaker 02

  Well, I got to the last question because that was just beautiful what you said. When you were in Arlington Heights, the ground was flat, the winters were long, and you figured there was a big world out there.

• 2:21:53Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:21:54Speaker 02

  Now you've been on all seven continents. Is the world bigger than you thought or smaller?

• 2:22:02Speaker 04

  I like the name of the tour travel guide company Lonely Planet. And it's kind of a lonely planet out there. There are a lot of people who are very shocked, but also very happy to see people like me coming through. Now, right now is such an incredible time, AJ. You still have uncontacted tribes in the Amazon and Papua New Guinea. And then we're already in outer space and there's already a breakaway civilization. We're all part of the human race. We're all part of the same family. We all bleed red blood. We're all humans. And I think there's a connection, whether it's telepathic or whether it's just because

• 2:22:45Speaker 04

  we're all human, that we have a sense that there are still Stone Age humans alive today and also people off planet. We're all part of the same group of human homo sapien. But now, things are changing and there's hybrid, hybridization. We know from Dolly the Sheep that cloning is possible. So there's all these off branches that are happening as well. But at the same time, we're still the human race. And I, I think we can't lose sight of that, that even those Stone Age people in these uncontacted tribes, maybe in dream state, they think, oh, we're up there already. We're in these off-planet civilization.

• 2:23:30Speaker 04

  And you know, Margaret Mead, the great anthropologist, she did the cargo cults study where we would drop the cargo in World War II and then a whole cult grew up out of this that, that they could call John Fromm. And where did that come from? Well, they always say, hey, I'm John from Nebraska. I'm John from Illinois. John Fromm, that's all they heard. And that was the name of those species. So it's kind of a cargo cult of the modern age where we're wishing and hoping and praying that someday we can meet John Fromm. Come on down here and unify us. But they don't want to do that. They don't want to be our nanny and say, oh, we're landing on the White House lawn

• 2:24:14Speaker 04

  and we're here to save humanity. Then they're responsible for us. They want us to make those changes ourselves. And I think justifiably so, we should be the change we want to see in the world.

• 2:24:28Speaker 02

  That was Brad Olsen. Bye, everybody. That was Brad Olsen, who spent his eviction check sailing to Antarctica to ask in person. Let's start with Admiral Byrd. High jump happened. It ended early and the Chilean interview was real. But the pole-to-pole is a loose translation. Byrd was warning about hostile crafts coming over the poles, but he was talking about planes, not UFOs, probably. Now the prime ministers. The Merkel story is an old internet hoax with a doctor's photo. She was born in Hamburg in 1954 to a Lutheran pastor. Brad said he hasn't done the legwork, so I did. That search is in my history now, but I'll never get rid of it. But it was a hoax. And Byrd's son. I nodded when Brad called that death mysterious because I heard it that way, too.

• 2:25:12Speaker 02

  He did board a train in Boston, 1988, and turned up dead in Baltimore a few days later in a warehouse. Medical examiner found dehydration and malnutrition. Now, that does sound suspicious, but he probably had Alzheimer's and just got lost. That's probably what happened. Now, look, I've covered high jump and a lot of the mysteries of Admiral Byrd and Antarctica. I've debunked most of them. And if you want detailed breakdowns of the stories, watch the episodes. That's where I debunk the hardest. Because remember, this is a storytelling show, not a debate show. Whether the stories are a little embellished or completely fake, I still want to hear them. And you're smart enough to choose what you want to believe. So it's up to you.

• 2:25:55Speaker 02

  But I still respect that Brad spent his own money to ask those questions to people's faces at the bottom of the world. I don't know anyone else who's done that. Brad's book is Secrets of Antarctica. Is a lot of it debunked? Yes. Is the book a lot of fun? Absolutely. You can learn more about him at Brad-Olsen.com. That's O-L-S-E-N. And everything I mentioned is linked down below. And until next time, be safe, be kind, and know that you are appreciated.

• 2:26:39AJ Gentile?

  I played for Libya in Area 51. A secret code inside the Bible said I was. I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as well as music. So I'm singing like I should. But then another conspiracy theory becomes the truth with my friends. And it never ends. No, it never ends.

• 2:27:16AJ Gentile?

  I fear the crackhead and got stuck inside Mel's home with MKL truck. I'm being only too aware. Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone? On a film set, were the shadows people there? The Roswell aliens just fought the smiling man, I'm told. And his name was Cold. And I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish. Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2. And one more zombie beat all through the night. All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth.

• 2:28:00AJ Gentile?

  And one more zombie beat all through the night.

• 2:28:22AJ Gentile?

  The Mothman sightings and the solar storm still come. To have got the secret city underground. Mysterious number stations, planets circle to Project Stargate. And what the dark watchers found. In a simulation, don't you worry though. The Black Knight satellite, it told me so. I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish. Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2. And one more zombie beat all through the night. All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth.

• 2:29:06AJ Gentile?

  And one more zombie beat all through the night. Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2. And one more zombie beat all through the night. All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. And one more zombie beat all through the night.

• 2:29:42AJ Gentile?

  Girlie loves to dance. Girlie loves to dance on the dance floor. Because she is a camel. And camels love to dance when the feeling is right on wasting time. Girlie loves to dance.

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