REVISITING Olympic Weirdness: Barefoot Marathons, Medals for Artwork, Pistol Dueling

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• 1:34Rachel Feltman?

  Hey weirdos, it's Rachel. In case you missed it, I'm off on parental leave right now, but we're doing some really fun stuff while I'm gone. You've probably already noticed that we've got some amazing new episodes dropping into the feed hosted by the one and only Jess Bodie. The next one of those will be coming in two weeks. But in between Jess's episodes, we're going to also be airing some reruns, which we've never done before. Because Weirdest Thing's been around for a long time. It's not quite in its awkward tween years gap, but we're getting there. And we realized we've never gone back to revisit past episodes in the feed. It features a couple of fan favorites from the original Weirdest Thing host rotation, Sarah Chodosh and Claire Maldarelli, of course, talking

• 2:16Rachel Feltman?

  about running. What else? This episode features me doing one of my goofy little quizzes, which I always love and should really do more, unless you disagree. Let me know. We also hardly ever do like Themed, topically cohesive weirdest thing episodes. It just isn't really our vibe to constrain people in terms of what they can talk about. Plus, now we have a guest host on almost every episode. And when I'm bringing folks in who are not part of the regular weirdest thing rotation, I'm definitely not going to tell them what they are and aren't allowed to talk about. So yeah, theme episodes like we're all talking about the Olympics are pretty rare and I really love them. There are certain conversations you can just only end up having if everybody has come in having read about and thought about the same topic to get ready for the show.

• 3:01Rachel Feltman?

  We also referenced several other older weirdest thing episodes in this one. So it's kind of like a rushing nesting doll of vintage episodes. So just follow that rerun rabbit hole and enjoy the ride. Honestly, the only thing that doesn't hold up about this app is that I definitely say that we are hopefully at the tail end of the pandemic and this was in the summer of 2021. That was not true, but in my defense, it should have been true. And we ruined it. By we, I mean, you know, the, the collective, uh, public and by the collective public, I really mean, uh, several elite government officials. But anyway, one quick thing I will add before we get into the episode is that I am spending

• 3:43Rachel Feltman?

  a little bit more time on social media than I have in the last couple of years to make up for the fact that I've, you know, otherwise fallen off the face of the earth to care for a newborn. Uh, you can find me on Blue Sky at Rachel Feltman or Threads where my username is RA Feltman. Okay, let's rewind back to the 2020 Olympics, otherwise known as the 2021 Olympics and enjoy the show.

• 4:08Rachel Feltman?

  At Popular Science, we report and write dozens of science and tech stories every week. And while most of the stuff we stumble across makes it into our articles, we also find plenty of weird facts that we just keep around the office. So we figured, why not share those with you? Welcome to the weirdest thing I learned this week from the editors of Popular Science. I'm Rachel Feltman.

• 4:27Speaker 05

  I'm Sarah Chodosh. And I'm Claire Maldarelli.

• 4:30Rachel Feltman?

  Welcome back, Claire.

• 4:32Speaker 05

  Woohoo, happy to be here.

• 4:34Rachel Feltman?

  It's been a while, listeners. Of course, you already know, but Claire has been busy hosting our fantastic sister show, Ask Us Anything. Um, it's on break right now, so definitely it's a great chance to uh go get caught up if you haven't been listening live. But uh Claire, uh in the off season, we're so thrilled to have you uh back on the weirdest thing team.

• 4:59Speaker 05

  Thank you. I'm excited to be back and talking about weird things again.

• 5:05Rachel Feltman?

  Which you don't do on Ask Us Anything ever. Nothing on that show. Alright, so on the weirdest guy I learned this week, we start by each offering up a little tease about some kind of fact or story we found in the course of reading, writing, reporting, etc. And decide which one we just absolutely have to hear more about first. Then, once we've all had time to spin our little science yarns, we reconvene and decide what the weirdest thing we learned this week actually was. Today, we are all talking about the Olympics, uh which had been postponed last year and seems like they might be postponed again, but I guess are

• 5:43Rachel Feltman?

  happening uh as of the time of this episode's publishing, which is a a choice we will not comment on.

• 5:56Rachel Feltman?

  But but there's a reason people love the Olympics and uh while the choice to hold them at what we hope is the tail end of a brutal pandemic is maybe a little questionable, we can completely appreciate why people love them and are excited about them. So we are going to safely, from our respective homes, enjoy some Olympics-related content. Why don't we start with Claire's tease?

• 6:27Speaker 05

  Yes. Okay, so surprise, surprise, I'm talking about running. Um, so I would like to talk about how the winner of the marathon at the 1960 Summer Olympic Games in Rome won the race barefoot.

• 6:44Rachel Feltman?

  It's amazing. Oh, Jesus. I can't even run a regular marathon, much less barefoot.

• 6:51Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah, it's, um, wow, the marathon. That's amazing.

• 6:56Speaker 05

  Right, it's a lot of miles.

• 6:57Rachel Feltman?

  It's not the event you would expect someone to, uh, somehow win barefoot, but.

• 7:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, and there was a lot of cobblestone involved.

• 7:05Rachel Feltman?

  Oh, my God. Okay, well, um, uh, my feet already hurt, just thinking about it. Excited to hear more. Sarah, what's your tease?

• 7:12Speaker 06

  I'm gonna talk about how there used to be Olympic medals for art and how that relates to the 1992 Dream Team.

• 7:19Rachel Feltman?

  Ooh.

• 7:21Speaker 05

  See, art is really hard. I would fail utterly at Olympic art.

• 7:27Rachel Feltman?

  Claire's like, Olympic marathon, no sweat. Olympic doodle, no thank you. I.

• 7:33Speaker 05

  Stick figures.

• 7:33Rachel Feltman?

  I couldn't do either, so.

• 7:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was gonna say, not two, two of my least strong areas, to be honest.

• 7:42Rachel Feltman?

  Um, okay, I, so I, I forgot to make a tease, but I guess I can, there are a couple of teases for mine, and one of them is that Claire, in fact, at one point, would have been the ideal Olympic athlete, for reasons I will explain. And, uh, the other tease, um, is that in the early days of the modern Olympics, um, there were just kind of no rules, and I'm gonna talk about some of the bizarre circumstances that came out of that situation.

• 8:19Speaker 05

  I love this. I love no rules. I think all sports should have less rules.

• 8:24Speaker 06

  Just, just chaos.

• 8:27Rachel Feltman?

  All right, what should we start with? All great teases today.

• 8:31Speaker 06

  I wanna start with the marathon.

• 8:33Rachel Feltman?

  Okay, great, yeah.

• 8:35Speaker 05

  Okay, so I'm starting. All right.

• 8:36Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 06

  Got all excited and was like, oh, wait, okay, I have to go now.

• 8:41Speaker 05

  Right, exactly. Um, okay.

• 8:44Speaker 05

  Well, I think I haven't done weirdest thing recording like in so long. I was like, "Oh, I begin now." Okay, so these days, there is tons and tons of money and effort that goes into designing running shoes. I will know, I'm obsessed with writing about it on popside.com. And that includes a lot of them that are meant for running long distances like marathons, which is 26.2 miles long. In fact, there's been an explosion of marathon shoes on the market that have fancy midsole technology and literal carbon fiber plates that together give you superior energy return, which is essentially how much energy gets back to

• 9:25Speaker 05

  the runner on each stride. The more, the better, of course, which overall improves your running efficiency. So, a little bit less effort for each step you take when you run, which might seem small, but it really adds up over time, considering you take, shoot, I don't know how many steps you take for 26.2 miles, but it's a lot. So much technology has come out in play that there's now limits on the height that running shoes can have. So, in the Olympics coming up, the maximum height for running shoes is 40 millimeters. But if you've ever seen various running shoes on the market, they just, they look like literal platform shoes or platform sandals that I used to love to wear in high school.

• 10:09Speaker 05

  So, a lot of running technology these days, and it makes you wonder that in 1960, someone was able to run the entire race barefoot. I will explain. So, in 1960, a guy from Ethiopia named Abebe Bakila, he was a not really well-known runner. He was known in the Ethiopian community as a sort of up-and-coming athlete. So, he was born in a mountainous region in Ethiopia, and really in a rural community. He was working as a cattle herder, and then when he was a teenager at age

• 10:54Speaker 05

  19, he visited Ethiopian capital city of Addis Ababa and he visited the Imperial Palace, where he saw the bodyguard forces in training and he was so impressed that he applied to join and was accepted. And in training, all of the guards were encouraged to quote unquote, pursue vigorous physical exercise. And so he joined in and found that he had this natural ability to run really well over long distances. So quickly, he did a 5,000 meter race and a 10,000 meter race. And then he started his marathon debut in the 1959 Military Forces Day celebrations

• 11:38Speaker 05

  in Addis Ababa. And that's where a coach saw him and was like, this guy's got talent. So started him on this sort of like rigorous training program. And he actually finished one race with a time of 2:21:23, which was a really, really fast time for that time. I think it had actually beaten the Olympic record at the times. But despite all of this, he actually wasn't chosen for the Olympic team. But at the last minute, another runner from Ethiopia actually broke his ankle during a soccer game and they were like, okay, let's put in this new running talent.

• 12:16Rachel Feltman?

  Imagine, it just goes to show you, I'm going to get into this more in my fact, but how much the Olympics have changed, that someone was playing another sport where they could get injured.

• 12:28Speaker 05

  Exactly. It's like, let me just play a quick soccer game right before the big day. And it's like, oops, I broke my ankle. But it's like, you know, it's hard because these days, they say that like you really shouldn't, it's best for your body perhaps not to run just one sport or play one sport. So, yeah.

• 12:52Rachel Feltman?

  But you know, for cross training, maybe like water aerobics, something, something very safe.

• 12:58Speaker 05

  Yoga, Pilates, although Pilates can be very challenging.

• 13:04Rachel Feltman?

  I messed myself up doing Pilates.

• 13:06Speaker 05

  Same, same.

• 13:07Rachel Feltman?

  In a good way, though.

• 13:09Speaker 05

  So yeah, so days before the race, he hops in and he was training in Ethiopia, both with and without shoes. So on some days, he would wear shoes for some of his races and some he wouldn't. But he was wearing essentially just like one pair of shoes because running shoes are expensive. And it wasn't like the Olympics today, where runners are sponsored. They get all of these running shoes in advance, all of this wardrobe and apparel and all this free stuff. It was essentially kind of a more DIY type of thing. So he had this one pair of running shoes. And a few days before he was about to leave for Rome, the shoes literally fell apart. And according to an article in the World Athletics Organization,

• 13:54Speaker 05

  he went on a search in his hometown to find a new pair of running shoes. But as the story goes, he couldn't find a pair that he was comfortable wearing for 26.2 miles. He went to a local running store, tried a bunch on, really wasn't feeling it. But he did, you know, think to himself, well, I do need to buy a pair of shoes. I've got a big day ahead of me. So he bought a pair, tried them out for a bit, and they gave him blisters. So he said, screw this. I'm gonna go barefoot for the big day. And if there's any runners out there, and maybe you and Sarah can also attest to this for whatever shoes you wear for cross training or for weightlifting,

• 14:36Speaker 05

  you know that your shoes are very important. So I like to train in exactly one type of running shoe. And despite the amazing shoe technology, like I mentioned, available on the market today, I refuse to wear literally any other shoe but this exact pair of shoes. So much that when I saw that there was an update that they were gonna do for 2021, I went and bought like a ton of the old pairs. I was like, I just, I will die.

• 15:04Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah, you can't risk it.

• 15:05Speaker 05

  Exactly. So he's not loving the new shoes. And he's like, I'm going to go barefoot on the first, on the big day. Coaches do have a saying, and it's unclear if it existed or was popular in 1960, but it goes like this, nothing new on race day, or the rhyme, tried and true and nothing new. And I was trying to think about this. I was like, well, technically, because he trained with and without running shoes, he kind of was adhering to The method, nothing new on race day. Why try this new pair of shoes that gives me blisters when I've run in training runs? Probably not the full 26 miles, but whatever.

• 15:49Speaker 05

  I've done it barefoot, so I'm just gonna go for it. All right.

• 15:54Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah, I mean, it makes sense.

• 15:56Speaker 05

  Exactly, right? I feel like this is exactly what I would do in his situation. So, race day comes. The Olympic marathon that year was scheduled in Rome at 5:30 PM, which seems pretty late for a 26.2 mile jogging event.

• 16:13Rachel Feltman?

  An evening, evening run.

• 16:15Speaker 05

  An evening, yes, a light evening jog.

• 16:19Speaker 05

  But Rome is an incredibly hot place in August, and it's unclear why they decided to have it at night instead of, say, early in the morning when marathons happen now. Like, the New York City marathon, I think, starts at 9:00. Other ones start at 8:00 or sometimes even 7:00 AM. But it was smart for them not to do it in the middle of the day. If you remember back to a previous episode of Weirdest Thing where I talk about the ill-fated 1904 Olympics in St. Louis, where they decided to start the marathon at 3 o'clock PM, you'll remember that, among other things, that made that marathon perhaps the most ill-fated in history,

• 17:02Speaker 05

  that start time in the heat of the day didn't really bode well for the runners.

• 17:08Rachel Feltman?

  And there was, like, one water station, right? The whole...

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• 18:12Speaker 05

  Yes, one water station. And I wouldn't really call it a water station if I remember. It was kind of just like a well that you had to... It was like a self-service well.

• 18:21Rachel Feltman?

  That was such a great episode. People definitely need to go back and...

• 18:25Speaker 05

  It was so scary. But you will still want to run a marathon. Don't worry. Well, I hope. I hope. Maybe listen to it after you run your race. Anyways, okay. So the race starts and right away, a group of four runners set the pace, including Baquila and a key rival of his, this guy from Morocco named Roddy Ben Abdasalem. So the race continues. And if anyone knows anything about following marathons, you know that even though the marathon is technically 26.2 miles, once you hit the elite racing teams and runners and Olympics, where everyone is going really, really fast, the race doesn't really start until the 20-mile mark.

• 19:10Speaker 05

  It might sound late for a marathon, given that it is 26.2 miles. But marathoners will often typically hold a set pace for the majority of the race and then pick it up towards the end at mile 20. And it's like whoever has it left in the tank is going to be the winner. That is not how I race a marathon. I just go hard, fast, and then die at the end.

• 19:34Speaker 05

  That's not the best tactic. I'm not an elite runner, so there we go. So they're at the 20 mile mark and it was essentially pitch black at this point because they started at 5:30pm. And they actually had to light Olympic torches in order to illuminate the roads for the runners. Because they couldn't see anything and it was cobblestone again throughout Rome. So he's running. It's pitch black. There's like torches with runners running along with the torches to kind of try to keep up with the runners. And he's still going barefoot. And at this point, he's running over total cobblestone. And I don't mean like cobblestone, like you know, like the nice cobblestone. It's like the bad cobblestone.

• 20:20Speaker 05

  I guess you could call it like those, you know what I mean? Like those big, big.

• 20:23Speaker 06

  I mean, it's cobblestone that has been there for hundreds of years. Like Rome, Rome is a different level of old. Compared to any cobblestones you have walked on in the US.

• 20:33Speaker 05

  Yes, correct. Exactly. Thank you, Sarah, for, for that description. Um, like the big stones, you know, like you're running on giant stones and it sounds terrible. And if you Google 1960 Olympic marathon, you can see some great footage. And he is just running straight through on this cobblestone. And a documentary about the event quote unquote calls it, "He was in the zone." So they enter the last 500 meters, which is essentially like the last point two of the 26.2 mile race. And he just ditches his competitor in the dust. There's like two runners at the end and he like sprints to the finish.

• 21:16Speaker 05

  In two hours, 15 minutes and 16 seconds, breaks the previously held marathon record. All totally barefoot, in the dark, running on cobblestone. And I will just say, I, he seems like such a great person. In his interview at the end, he said, quote, "I want the world to know that my country Ethiopia always won with determination and heroism."

• 21:43Speaker 05

  Winning that race, he also became the first black African to win an Olympic gold medal. And four years later, he also won the gold medal in the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, though he was wearing shoes and socks. So, moral of all of this story is, and something that I've been trying to keep in the back of my head, I guess, when I cover running technology and running shoes and marathon shoes and stack height and midsole technology and all of that is, you could be the best, you could wear the best running shoes on the planet, but it, my favorite part of marathons and Olympic Games is that you never know

• 22:28Speaker 05

  what is going to happen on race day. And it, so much of it, like, yes, you can measure how much better this running shoe will help your economy or whatever, but you also have to take into account the person's training and their determination and their grit. And I think that's what makes the Olympics even just a great thing to watch.

• 22:52Speaker 06

  I love that. I feel like it is, like, it's fun to get caught up in like the, the gear and the tech and like getting, getting new shoes. Like, I don't even run. And when Claire gets like new running shoes delivered to the office that like someone has sent her to test, I'm like, look at these cool shoes. Like, I don't know anything about running shoes at all. I only know about weightlifting shoes. Like, it is fun to talk about it and to like get caught up in it. But it's true, like, at the end of the day, shoes that give you like 1% more power return kind of pale in comparison to all the rest of the training that you do. Like, if you sleep properly and eat well and train hard, like, all of that's going to make such, a much, much bigger difference than a pair of shoes.

• 23:37Speaker 06

  I guess it's once we get, like, we've gotten so elite and so... Uh, like we're pushing to the forefront of especially like sports like running that I guess we're sort of at this phase where there's

• 23:50Rachel Feltman?

  Where every microsecond counts.

• 23:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 23:54Rachel Feltman?

  But for most people, it's like that you won't notice.

• 23:56Speaker 06

  It doesn't matter at all. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's funny.

• 24:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Although I don't know if it has made me want to run barefoot. Like, there was a big movement back, I think it was like in the 90s of like barefoot running and those like shoes that

• 24:11Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah, that's where those weird toe finger shoes came from.

• 24:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm really glad that that like phase is over, but.

• 24:19Rachel Feltman?

  Not for some people.

• 24:21Speaker 06

  No, no.

• 24:22Rachel Feltman?

  I went on a date once with a guy who was just wearing those shoes.

• 24:26Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 24:26Rachel Feltman?

  Out in the world.

• 24:28Speaker 06

  Have you seen those high heels with the toes?

• 24:30Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 24:31Speaker 06

  They're made, it's made by the same people. Um, it's like a, it's like a collab with some like high fashion brand and also Vibram, who made the toe shoes, I think. I'm gonna find them and send them to you. They're really upsetting looking.

• 24:43Rachel Feltman?

  Yes, the more, you know, get back to nature by wearing high heels.

• 24:49Speaker 06

  Toe shoe.

• 24:50Rachel Feltman?

  Toe shoe.

• 24:50Speaker 05

  I just don't understand, like, my feet are so uncomfortable when my toes are separated from each other. Like, they like to be together. And like, when they're forced to be apart and just be stuck next to two pieces of rubber or fabric, they're just miserable. Like, I can't even wear toe socks. It's very sad for more than like 10 minutes and I'm just so uncomfortable.

• 25:09Speaker 06

  Toe socks also freak me out.

• 25:10Speaker 05

  They're weird. It's not natural.

• 25:13Speaker 06

  Toes should be together.

• 25:14Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 25:15Speaker 06

  This is an official Popeye's stance.

• 25:19Rachel Feltman?

  All right, we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be back with more facts.

• 25:32Rachel Feltman?

  Okay, we're back and I'm gonna get into my fact, which is gonna start with a quick quiz. Um, we had a lot of fun with me making up fake sports back in our episode where I talked about cheese rolling. Um, a fan favorite, I think. So go back and check it out if you haven't already. I think this quiz about which sports did or did not happen in the Olympics may be a bit easier than the made up sport quiz, but, uh, we'll see. We'll see how we do. Okay. So which of the following sports have not been played at the Olympics?

• 26:10Rachel Feltman?

  We have first Nordic folk wrestling, motorboating, or cheerleading?

• 26:18Speaker 06

  Is there, is there just one that one of them hasn't been?

• 26:20Rachel Feltman?

  Just one has not been played at the Olympics.

• 26:22Speaker 06

  Okay. Can you repeat them?

• 26:24Rachel Feltman?

  What was the second?

• 26:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:25Rachel Feltman?

  Sorry, please. Let's, I'll start from the top.

• 26:28Speaker 06

  Can you repeat the question?

• 26:29Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah. So, alright, so which of the following sports have not been played at the Olympics? Just one. Is it Nordic folk wrestling, motorboating, or cheerleading? I'm going with B, motorboating.

• 26:47Speaker 06

  I'm also gonna go with motorboating.

• 26:50Rachel Feltman?

  Incorrect.

• 26:51Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 26:51Rachel Feltman?

  Motorboating has appeared at the Olympics, though the IOC is notoriously opposed to motorized sports in nineteen hundred and nineteen oh eight. That didn't matter because it was Paris's call.

• 27:05Speaker 06

  What is Nordic folk wrestling?

• 27:07Rachel Feltman?

  Well, it appeared at the Olympics in nineteen twelve, and there are gonna be people who tell me I'm wrong about this, and I will say, I am going to explain why I'm saying it was in the Olympics. Don't be pedantic. I'm about to be pedantic for you later. We are just having fun with this quiz. It appeared at the Olympics.

• 27:24Rachel Feltman?

  Um, cheerleading has been granted provisional status as of twenty sixteen, which means it could be approved in time for twenty twenty four or twenty twenty eight. But unfortunately, cheerleading, the very real and dangerous sport, uh, has yet to appear in the Olympics, and Nordic folk wrestling has.

• 27:40Speaker 06

  I just Googled Nordic folk wrestling, just to try to get a sense of what the heck this is. And first of all, it tells me that what I should have searched for was glema, the name that covers several types of Nordic folk wrestling. Wow.

• 27:54Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah.

• 27:55Speaker 06

  Uh, well, we're gonna have to put some photos up online because first of all, some of these people are wearing like boots and, and what looks like underwear. So to, it's a great image.

• 28:05Rachel Feltman?

  Well, you're, you know. I was just gonna ask what the attire is. You don't do Nordic folk wrestling naked, it's cold.

• 28:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, it's kind of.

• 28:11Rachel Feltman?

  That stuff is for Greece and Rome, okay?

• 28:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, I'm, I guess I'm surprised because like Olympic wrestling now is such a thing. Like it is a very specific kind of wrestling. And it's wild to me that there was just this other kind of wrestling, but I really love it.

• 28:26Rachel Feltman?

  I will, I will get into more detail. Okay. Which of these sports has not appeared at the Olympics? Life-saving, billiards, or motorcycle racing?

• 28:38Speaker 05

  Life saving?

• 28:40Rachel Feltman?

  Yes, life saving.

• 28:42Speaker 06

  Which has not appeared. They all feel like they haven't appeared.

• 28:45Rachel Feltman?

  Going into the water, pulling people out of it.

• 28:48Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. Wow. Okay. Um, wait, what was B and C then? I got stuck on life saving.

• 28:54Rachel Feltman?

  That's fair. Uh, billiards and motorcycle racing.

• 28:59Speaker 06

  Oh, God. I want to go for motorcycle again, but after motorboating, I'm scared.

• 29:04Speaker 05

  Same. I'm feeling, yeah, I have the same thought process. So I'm just gonna go with A, life saving, because that just sounds wrong.

• 29:12Rachel Feltman?

  Well, unfortunately, it has has appeared in the Olympics. Billiards has been trying to get into the Olympics since the 1950s, but the IOC thinks it is a game, not a sport.

• 29:23Speaker 06

  Okay, they're right, but I was gonna say billiards. Dang it.

• 29:27Speaker 05

  This makes, that makes no sense.

• 29:28Rachel Feltman?

  I should have given you more time, Sarah.

• 29:30Speaker 06

  It's okay. It's okay. I just was so perplexed. They all sounded like they definitely should have never been in the Olympics.

• 29:36Speaker 05

  I want to say that that's totally, makes no sense on their part, because the Olympics are literally called, quote unquote, the Olympic Games. So.

• 29:45Rachel Feltman?

  I, if I've learned anything from my research for this episode, it's that the IOC of is is a very pedantic organization.

• 29:54Speaker 06

  We could also have a whole episode about like, what is a sport and what is a game? I'd just get a lot of angry fan mail.

• 29:59Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah. All right. Next up. Which of these has not appeared in the Olympics? Chess, pistol dueling, or horse long jumping, like a long jump, but on a horse?

• 30:11Speaker 05

  Oh, my goodness.

• 30:12Speaker 06

  Again, like I want to say chess, but I feel like it's, I feel like it's a trap, because the other two are sports and chess is not a sport. Oh, God. I'm gonna say chess.

• 30:22Speaker 05

  I'm gonna also say chess.

• 30:24Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah, chess has not, uh, appeared as an official Olympic sport. And this is where I will, I will have to get pedantic in a minute to explain my logic. But I promise, this is all gonna be a learning experience. We're gonna learn a lot based on which, which things I said were in the Olympics and which weren't. Okay, couple more left. Which of these was not in the Olympics? Cannon shooting, underwater hockey, solo synchronized swimming?

• 30:53Speaker 06

  Cannons.

• 30:54Rachel Feltman?

  Underwater hockey. Okay, so underwater hockey indeed has not been in the Olympics, but it was a real sport as I outlined in

• 31:01Speaker 06

  Shooting a cannon is not a sport?

• 31:03Rachel Feltman?

  I thought you made that up.

• 31:06Rachel Feltman?

  No, Claire, this was back in my episode where I did a made up sport quiz. Underwater hockey was one of the trickiest ones.

• 31:12Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly. Ah dang it. I was on that episode and I got fooled this time. Oh. I don't, shooting a cannon is not a sport.

• 31:21Rachel Feltman?

  Well.

• 31:22Speaker 06

  Shooting a cannon is really hard, Sarah. It's a skill, it's not a sport.

• 31:27Rachel Feltman?

  Okay, now bonus round, and this is the last one. Which of these took place in Paris 1900? Live pigeon shooting or pigeon racing? Oh, pigeon racing. Pigeon racing. It's a trick question. They both took place. Oh no. Rachel.

• 31:46Rachel Feltman?

  Okay, yeah, so I could get into a little bit more detail about some of these sports throughout my explanation, but I need to give people a little bit of historical context here. So the Olympics are at least 3,000 years old. That's when we know the ancient Greeks were definitely holding several major sporting festivals a year, one of which took place every four years in Olympia. Though that may have only been a footrace at first, actually, but they didn't exist from the year 400 to the year 1859. The ancient Olympic Games tapered off during the Roman Empire because the Romans had sporting events like gladiator fights, but those were largely framed as entertainment, not as like a competition for the sake of the competitors.

• 32:29Rachel Feltman?

  Plus, the games had pagan associations as they were originally part of religious festivals. So, you know, during the rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire, that was, you know, bad news for the Olympics, basically.

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• 34:16Rachel Feltman?

  So it was in 1859 that Greece started holding modern Olympiads in Athens, and some other countries followed suit. So for a while, there were like Olympics in different countries. Different countries just had their own Olympiads. The first International Olympic Games took place in Athens in 1896, which was not long after the International Olympic Committee first formed, now known as the IOC most times. The Winter Games weren't a thing until 1924, actually, and in general, it took about that long for the Olympics to look anything like the events we hold today. For starters, Olympians had to provide their own lodging until 1932. So for those first games,

• 35:00Rachel Feltman?

  most like non-Greek competitors were people who happened to be in Athens for some other reason. That's why there was a big showing of like members of the British Embassy in Greece at the Olympics. Also, only amateurs were allowed to compete, which I'll talk more about in a minute, and rules were really all over the place. So for those first few Olympic Games, and especially the second iteration, which was Paris 1900, countries could kind of just insert events that they expected locals to do well in, which led to some very weird competitions. And one great example of this is that in 1900, France included croquet in the Olympics, which only French people signed up for, albeit some of them women. So that was cool.

• 35:45Rachel Feltman?

  That was the first Olympic event that women were allowed into. But like, only the French people played croquet. And then, so at 1904, at the St. Louis World's Fair, which also held Olympic Games, America decided to feature roque, R-O-Q-U-E, which is literally just taking the first and last letters off of croquet. And it's an American Oh my goodness. It's an American variant of croquet that pretty much no one played outside the US. So only Americans sign up for that at the Olympics. So people pulled this kind of crap all the time, where they were just like, "We are going to show off to the world how good we are at this sport that none of them care about playing." And so, yeah, there were a lot of accusations of people trying to, like,

• 36:30Rachel Feltman?

  pad the medal count for the host country. And the early Olympics were very much just extensions of the world fairs that they were generally held with. So some really random stuff got airtime. These days, we would call these events demonstration sports, where they're not part of the official games. They don't contribute to any nation's medal count. They're there generally because it's something the country that's hosting has like a lot of top-ranked competitors in, like bowling, which was a demonstration sport in Seoul during the Olympics. So it's an opportunity to show that off on an international stage and add to the stuff there is for people to buy tickets to and to broadcast and all of that good stuff. But because there were so few rules about how to run the Olympics

• 37:15Rachel Feltman?

  in the early 1900s, there are still people debating what should be counted as an official Olympic event versus a demonstration event. Because at the time, the host countries were not making a distinction. So, for example, chess has been a demonstration event at a more recent Olympics. But by then, it was being called a demonstration event. No one was pretending it was part of the real thing. Whereas cannon shooting was

• 37:43Rachel Feltman?

  If if it happened today, it would be a demonstration sport. But when it happened in Paris in 1900, it was just one of many quote unquote Olympic events. So um, no one has has really, there are definitely people who have made lists being like, here's what was official, here's what wasn't. But it's kind of a matter of opinion.

• 38:03Speaker 06

  So wait, OK, so are the countries that earned medals in cannon shooting, like, are those counted in their total, their official country by country medal counts?

• 38:14Rachel Feltman?

  So my understanding, and I could be wrong about this, but I think in Paris 1900 and probably in St. Louis 1904, there was no distinction between sports. And it was just like, if you won a medal, you won a medal. And there wasn't as much about like, a country winning the Olympics. Um, it was kind of, I mean, I, there, there wasn't really an opening or closing ceremony. It was all a mess. And I'm sure someone who knows more about the Olympics than me uh, could talk about this with more nuance. But my takeaway is just like, if someone won,

• 38:56Rachel Feltman?

  it, it was still kind of arbitrary because nobody was like keeping great track.

• 39:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, and it sounds like some countries were like, well, we're gonna do our best sport and win like 20 of like medals with it, yeah.

• 39:09Rachel Feltman?

  Well, and and I think the important thing to get at is that even if they really were keeping a close tally of medals, it was always gonna be the host country that won because they had the most competitors there. Um, because they didn't pay for travel.

• 39:24Speaker 06

  Right, a very strong geographic selection.

• 39:28Rachel Feltman?

  Exactly, yeah. And also important to remember is that none of the people doing these events were professionals in any sport. So like, Cannon shooting was just as legit as foot racing because nobody was supposed to be doing this full-time. In 1912, American decathlete and pentathlete Jim Thorpe actually lost his 1910 medals because he had once accepted a small payment for playing semi-professional baseball as a college student, which breaks my heart. That seems really unfair. But the Olympics were supposed to showcase this like pure athleticism that would only be tainted by someone's desire to make money or their ability to train full-time,

• 40:11Rachel Feltman?

  which is so radically different from what the Olympics are today that it really blows my mind.

• 40:17Rachel Feltman?

  It seems like the IOC was persuaded to move on this once TVs became really widespread and they realized how much money the Olympics could make by broadcasting. And relatedly, how much cooler the sports would be to watch on TV if people were performing at really elite levels. Plus, another thing is that the Soviet Union had started to train and support their national athletes basically from birth. So they didn't have amateur athletes anymore. And so other countries needed to turn to full-time professional competitors to have any chance of beating people from the Soviet Union. The Canadian Amateur Hockey Association actually sounded the alarm on this,

• 41:00Rachel Feltman?

  you know, in regards to the Soviet Union's team, particularly in the late 60s. And the International Ice Hockey Federation decided that Canada should be able to include nine non-NHL professionals on its team for the 1970 Winter Olympics in Canada. But the IOC disagreed and Canada actually withdrew from all international ice hockey competitions in protest until I think like the mid 1970s, when the IOC actually opened hockey up to non-NHL professionals. And there continued to be a lot of debate about who should be allowed to compete or not. Then in 1986, the IOC decided to officially leave competitor selection criteria up to individual sport federations.

• 41:45Rachel Feltman?

  And by the 90s, basically every sport featured people with full-time endorsements or professional contracts. So things have changed a lot. You know, in Paris 1900, you could basically just stroll up and be like, "I can shoot a pigeon", and you were in the Olympics.

• 42:03Speaker 06

  They uh, they did actually reinstate Jim Thorpe's medals, but thirty years after he died.

• 42:09Rachel Feltman?

  I know, ugh.

• 42:10Speaker 06

  It's really sad.

• 42:11Rachel Feltman?

  Such a bummer.

• 42:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:12Rachel Feltman?

  Well, and it's like, it's such a, a like, letter of the law thing, right? Like, it's, it's not like he was like, sitting at home, getting rich off of endorsements. He had gotten paid for one sport once.

• 42:24Speaker 06

  For, for a different sport.

• 42:26Rachel Feltman?

  A different sport, not even the sport he won in the Olympics, so. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but again, IOC, very pedantic organization, I think. So, yeah, then, I mean, I wanted to talk a little bit about how you get a sport into the Olympics, because when you look at like billiards and cheerleading, like waiting in the wings, um, it's, it makes one wonder. Um, and I will say also, for anyone who has yet to pick up on this, all of the weird sports that I listed in the quiz at the beginning are from those early days when just kind of like, countries could just put random stuff in there and be like, it's an Olympic event.

• 43:06Rachel Feltman?

  Um, the only weird one that I listed that's like, modern, is solo synchronized swimming, which is where you're synchronized to the music, not to other dancers, so you kind of, it's like a gymnastics mat routine, but in the water. Um, it does not, it is not still in the Olympics, it fell out of fashion. Um, could I do it? No. Do I think it looks silly? Yes. That's my stance on solo synchronized swimming. Um. It sounds lonely, like I would want.

• 43:38Rachel Feltman?

  So, um, yeah, getting into the Olympics is a really complicated and drawn out process. You have to first get recognition as a sport from the IOC, which as I said, billiards has not succeeded in doing. Um, and that gets you into the International Sports Federation status, which means then you can have like, your own international governing body, um, that's supposed to ensure that the sport is following various IOC rules, like anti-doping regulations. Then you file a petition to the IOC, where you can either argue that you're an entirely new sport, or a discipline, which is a branch of a sport, or an event, which is just one competition within a discipline.

• 44:20Rachel Feltman?

  So, for example, triathlon was added in 2000 as a whole new sport. Meanwhile, women's wrestling, when that was added, it was just a new discipline, since wrestling was already in the Olympics. And then you have something like women's pole vaulting, which was just a new event within women's track and field, which was already a discipline. So, that's all to say, like, there are different strategies for getting your sport in, and one of them is to kind of like, fold yourself in under another sport and just be an event. There's also like, a bunch of stuff about popularity. Like, a sport has to be widely practiced by men in at least 75 countries and on four continents, and by women in no fewer than 40 countries and on three continents. Which I would like to say, creates a big bias against roller derby,

• 45:05Rachel Feltman?

  which is predominantly played by women and non-binary, non-gender conforming people, so. I would love for roller derby to be the sport that breaks this qualifier, because we could flip it.

• 45:21Rachel Feltman?

  The sport must also increase the value and appeal of the Olympic Games, reflect its traditions. And then there are rules about, like, they have bans on purely, quote, "mind sports", like chess, I guess. I guess that's what they would call a game, is a mind sport.

• 45:40Speaker 05

  I feel like that's so untrue.

• 45:42Rachel Feltman?

  All sports are mind sports.

• 45:43Speaker 06

  All sports are mind sports, but I kind of appreciate the characterization of chess. It's like, it's not a sport, but it is a mind sport.

• 45:51Speaker 05

  Okay, but there is that article in, I think it was ESPN, like, a year or two ago, or maybe even a few years more, that, like, chess players actually burn, like, tons and tons of calories, and they have to like...

• 46:01Rachel Feltman?

  It's true.

• 46:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:01Rachel Feltman?

  It's physically intense.

• 46:03Speaker 06

  That was it.

• 46:03Rachel Feltman?

  Well, and relatedly, so they're really against sports dependent on mechanical propulsion. You know, we had motorboating and motorcycle racing in some of those really early Wild West days of the modern Olympics, but the IOC does not like mechanical propulsion, which has kept various forms of automobile racing out of the Olympics. And we also know that race car drivers go through incredibly intense physical stress.

• 46:29Speaker 06

  But I feel the same way about car racing. Where I'm like, it does require a lot, like, it's a massive physical skill. You do have to be physically fit, but like... You're not propelling you forward.

• 46:41Rachel Feltman?

  Right.

• 46:41Speaker 06

  You know?

• 46:42Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah, I understand it. I do.

• 46:47Rachel Feltman?

  So yeah, the sport has to be popular enough to be a draw. It has to be a good return on investment in terms of how expensive it is to create facilities for it. So like if you have a sport that can't be done on like the same playing field as an existing Olympic sport, then that's gonna hurt your chances. And then like, how psyched are people gonna be to watch it on TV? Like surfing is getting its Olympic debut whenever these Summer Olympics actually occur. And you know, that's one where technically all you need is an ocean, but I guess you need a pretty good ocean. So like that, that's probably tough. On the other hand, it's gonna be a huge draw. People are gonna be really jazzed to watch Olympic surfing for the first time.

• 47:29Rachel Feltman?

  So I'm sure that, you know, had some weight for the IOC. And there also has to be space for it. These days, events usually only get added at the cost of other events. So I feel like we don't hear about this a lot because it's rare that they shed an entire sport or even entire discipline. But they might get rid of events under it, like a particular type of middle distance race or something. So I feel like most people who aren't interested in that particular sport don't really pay attention as those things get kind of shed based on like changes in popularity or in the number of competitors around the world. And then that's how we get kind of other events inserted in.

• 48:11Rachel Feltman?

  So yeah, basically my point is the Olympics was super made up for the first few decades that we did it. And a lot of, a lot of really weird stuff went down, including some very racist stuff at the St. Louis 1904 Olympics where they did, they had what they called Anthropology Days, which were an extension of the human zoos that were very popular at world fairs. World fairs were really messed up. They had, I've talked about this on previous episodes of Weirdest Thing. They had like eugenics tents in the science section. They had human zoos where it was just like they shipped people in from other countries so that you could be like, oh wow, look at these non-white people.

• 48:53Rachel Feltman?

  But at St. Louis and at some other world fairs where they had Olympics, they would have an Olympics Anthropology Day, which was just the people from the human zoos doing sports, but it wasn't even.

• 49:06Rachel Feltman?

  They they didn't get medals that counted towards particular countries. That was the one place where the Olympics would draw the line and say this isn't part of the real Olympics. So anyway, the Olympics, what are they? Who knows?

• 49:19Speaker 06

  A mostly modern invention based on a misunderstanding of what the ancient Olympics used to be.

• 49:25Rachel Feltman?

  Yes, absolutely. Well, it just it really fascinated me because I think as someone whose entire life has been in the like, you know, post amateur era of the Olympics, it just surprised me how recently they were so different. It's really presented as like a storied historic institution. And it's all it's all pretty made up pretty recently.

• 49:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is what bothers me about the IOC acting all high and mighty about like, oh, we can't allow like cheerleading into the Olympics because like, what would that say about the Olympics? Like, I don't know, like, it's all made up and we've just always arbitrarily decided what gets to be in the games. I don't like, that's true.

• 50:09Rachel Feltman?

  All right. Well, we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be back with one more fact. Okay, we're back. And Sarah, tell us about Olympic art.

• 50:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, we're I'm here to get more into the silliness of what the Olympics have been. Okay, so here's the fact, which has was when I learned it so wild to me. I heard it on another podcast and I legitimately had to look it up in the middle of cooking dinner because I was like, this can't be true. Like, these people didn't fact check properly. But it is true. The Olympics gave out medals for art at every games from 1912 to 1948. And somehow, we've just all collectively forgotten about this fact. Which is crazy to me because it was so recent. So the, the reason why was basically a man named Pierre de Coubertin, which I'm sure I am butchering, who's like basically the founder of like what we consider the modern Olympics.

• 51:12Speaker 06

  And he was a big believer in the idea of the Olympics as not just a competition of athleticism, but like of being a complete person. Like if you were going to be a true Olympian, you should be skilled, not just in sport, but in music and literature.

• 51:28Rachel Feltman?

  This sounds like a, like a Jane Austen book.

• 51:31Speaker 06

  It, it does feel like that.

• 51:32Rachel Feltman?

  A true woman, a truly accomplished woman must be.

• 51:35Speaker 06

  Exactly, exactly.

• 51:38Speaker 05

  Okay, or like a college application, like you can't just be good at school.

• 51:42Speaker 06

  God forbid you just are good at one thing, you must be good at all of the things. And I'm, I'm unclear where he got this idea because like, again, the ancient Olympic games were very much about sports. Like.

• 51:55Rachel Feltman?

  Often just like one sport too.

• 51:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, like there weren't that many, like you had like discus and chariot racing, pentathlon, running, wrestling. But like, I don't think any literature or sculpture was involved. So I'm not really sure where we came up with this idea. Also, like the ancient Olympians were naked, but as far as I know, Coubertin was not interested in having all the Olympics be naked and oily. But regardless, when he founded the modern games. On it, let's be honest, more people would watch. If we're looking to spice up the Olympics, let's go back to its roots. But anyway, Coubertin was pretty insistent that there needed to be like an artistic component to the Olympics. And I think perhaps single-handedly, he managed to get it included as like,

• 52:38Speaker 06

  kind of a side exhibit in the 1912 games in Stockholm. So they awarded medals for painting, sculpture, architecture, literature and music.

• 52:49Speaker 06

  I was hoping that like the other Olympic events, it was gonna be some kind of race. Like who can compose the best song the fastest or something like that. But you just submitted your work in advance, like it was just kind of like a normal art competition. Um, they all had to be Olympics or sports themed. And then it was basically like exhibited at the games and the judges then got to give out medals. So over the course of these years, the judges gave out one hundred and fifty one total art medals. And also withheld a lot of medals because at the time, the judges were just allowed to say like, we didn't think that any of these things deserve a medal.

• 53:28Speaker 05

  What?

• 53:28Rachel Feltman?

  Like the Pulitzer prizes were not

• 53:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, like the cartoons.

• 53:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, the cartoons. Yeah.

• 53:33Rachel Feltman?

  No award for editorial cartoon, which was devastating.

• 53:37Speaker 05

  These aren't good enough.

• 53:38Speaker 06

  It is literally like that. And also not only that, but they were allowed to say like, give out silver and bronze, but no gold. And this be like, we didn't.

• 53:47Rachel Feltman?

  There are a lot of, lot of second and third places here, but.

• 53:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, to me though, like the whoever won silver, like they won gold. They were the best. Like whoever you picked that was the best, that's the definition of who's gold.

• 53:58Rachel Feltman?

  There needs to be a grading curve on medals.

• 54:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was wild to me, but apparently the, the Olympics art judges were extremely, extremely picky. Um, so, uh, the art part was like, it was never, it was never that successful. And it was kind of a sideshow, but I do want to point out like they were Olympic medals. Like it wasn't, it was considered an accessory to the games, but they were official Olympic medals. And they kept holding the event through the nineteen forty eight games. Um, Cooper Tett himself actually won a gold medal in literature in nineteen twelve, the first year that they did it for a poem that he wrote. He submitted it under a pseudonym and I couldn't, I couldn't determine whether it was like,

• 54:41Speaker 06

  it was legitimately a pseudonym and nobody really knew it was him and he won it just because he was like an incredible poet. Or if it was like, hey, I'm gonna submit this under a pseudonym, but like, you know, right?

• 54:52Speaker 05

  Maybe, maybe like not enough people had submitted their applications.

• 54:56Speaker 06

  That's also possible. Yeah. Um, but, uh, other than, other than the founder of the Olympics, you have probably never heard of any of the other artists who ever won medals. Because the artistic community didn't take it seriously. Like this, the fact that your entry had to be sports themed. Meant that like. Lots of artists weren't going to submit everything. So like in the architecture category, most of the things that were entered were like sports arenas. But if you're an architect who doesn't design sports arenas, like, why do you, nobody cared, no artist cared about winning an Olympic medal in art because it was a silly thing to begin with. So you might think that the IOC stopped awarding Olympic medals for art because of like a lack of interest, or maybe because like it's

• 55:41Speaker 06

  literally a sports medal that is given out for art. But that is not why. The thing that killed the Olympic art medals was the debate about whether amateurs should be allowed to compete in the Olympics. So the guy who took over the IOC after World War II, Avery Brundage, who was American through and through, was absolutely adamant that everybody participating in the Olympic Games had to be an amateur, because as Rachel said, that's how you make them pure. But really, the idea of amateurism being more pure than being a professional athlete is like very much rooted in classicism. So I found this great quote from an Olympics historian,

• 56:26Speaker 06

  Bill Mallon, which is quoted in a really excellent 2012 article in The Atlantic about amateurism generally. So he said, amateurism really started when the people who were rowing boats on the Thames for a living started beating all the rich British aristocrats. So basically, like, when all the professional athletes, many of whom weren't like fancy, rich, upper crust people who were like, I'm good at this thing, and I'm actually going to earn a living doing it, they started getting really good. And then all of a sudden, all the wealthy elites were like, oh, it's not really very sportsmanlike to like get paid to do this. You're, you're only a gentleman if you do this sport as a hobby on the side.

• 57:05Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah, also, definitely, as like an extension of the world fairs that these Olympics were being held at often, like, there was kind of a eugenic subtext where it was like, the pure, we're just showing off like the purity of our best stock, not our athletes. This is just like, how good, you know, your standard well-bred Frenchman is at shooting a pigeon because of our good breeding. I definitely, like, I didn't read anything that like came out and said this explicitly, but again, it's like, these were happening at world fairs that had.

• 57:44Rachel Feltman?

  Competitions for the most well bred baby with the best head shape and things like that.

• 57:49Speaker 06

  Oh my goodness.

• 57:50Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah, definitely all the talk of like maintaining the, the purity of their athleticism really.

• 57:57Speaker 06

  It's also, it's, it's super hypocritical because like rich people were fine to pay pro athletes to like teach themselves and, and their sons. Cause like, let's be honest, it wasn't women competing, um, how to like play tennis or like row. But they also simultaneously like looked down on the people who they clearly considered experts in their field because like they had the audacity to actually get paid to do the sport. But like, of course, the, the idea of being an amateur and being an artist are not really compatible. Because like, imagine if the only people who were allowed to compete in the architecture competition were amateur architects. Like, that's just not a thing.

• 58:36Rachel Feltman?

  I show up with a football shaped house I drew on a napkin.

• 58:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean.

• 58:41Rachel Feltman?

  The gold.

• 58:42Speaker 06

  I mean, entertaining in other ways, but not really in the keeping of what the Olympics is supposed to be about. Um, and so they had, they like, kind of had to get rid of the art competition because I don't underst- like there was, who was even going to submit? Like, they already had trouble getting artists to actually submit works. They like, at least one year had to extend the deadline because they didn't have enough entries coming in. So they went so far as to strike all of the medals out of the Olympic, of like the official Olympic record. So the hundred and fifty one medals, they don't count towards the country's medal counts. Which I'm actually all right with, but I think it's interesting that they used to count and then the IOC was like, actually in retrospect, we shouldn't have ever given out any of those.

• 59:26Rachel Feltman?

  Yeah, no, I mean, similarly, like the IOC has definitely looked back and like redacted a bunch of stuff that happened in Paris. And then like, these are the medals that count, but it's like their logic.

• 59:38Rachel Feltman?

  The logic by which they separated sports seems to have been pretty much just like a vibe. Like, should this have counted or not?

• 59:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Um, and it's all like, especially wild, I guess, because, you know, they, the, the art medals went away starting in the 1950s. But then, as Rachel said, it wasn't that long after that that the Olympics became the giant money grabbing scheme that we know them today. So like, as soon as Avery Brundage left, the IOC said, hey, you know what? We can make a lot of money if we pay, if we just had professional athletes who were actually really good at these events. And then people would probably tune into the television and watch the people that they already know from the other sports that they play professionally. And just like, watch them in the Olympics. Um, so, starting with the 1992 Olympics, the IOC changed the rules. And while you don't get, you can't get paid to go to the games, you are allowed to be a professional.

• 1:00:28Speaker 06

  Um, hence the 1992 Dream Team. I brought it around in the end. Um, for those who don't know, uh, the 1992 Dream Team was the US basketball team, um, that was the first to feature NBA players. So Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Charles Barkley. Um, and ever since then, of course, the men and women's US basketball teams have absolutely dominated the Olympics because we have the NBA. I, I learned that each, each the men, the men's and the women's teams have lost only once each to, like, not won gold. Um, the men's team lost to Argentina, which is not a country I associate with basketball. But as I learned in researching this, basketball is an amazingly popular sport outside of the US.

• 1:01:10Speaker 06

  That's one of those sports that I think is just US centric and it is so popular every, like, many other places in the world. Um, it did make me kind of wonder, like, what would art look like if it were in the Olympics today? Like, if pro artists today could enter into the Olympics, would it be more interesting? Because you could make money off of it and like, be an actually interesting person. It, it still makes no sense to me to have an art medal as an Olympics thing, but there is kind of like art exhibitions related to the Olympics. Like, there's always sculptures and things, and often when you go to cities that have hosted in the past, they'll still have, like, artifacts from the Olympics that are, like, up and around the city. Um, but yeah, this is just crazy. It's crazy to me that we have just like, for entirely forgotten

• 1:01:55Speaker 06

  that for like, a large chunk of the modern Olympics, we gave out art medals. It's just, the Olympics are silly. I love them, but also they're so silly.

• 1:02:06Rachel Feltman?

  All right. What was the weirdest thing we learned this week? I'm giving my vote to the barefoot foot race.

• 1:02:14Speaker 05

  I still like art in the Olympics.

• 1:02:16Rachel Feltman?

  I was gonna vote for one of Rachel's, so it's a three-way tie. Wow. The IOC would be horrified, but.

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  I know. They would have some rule.

• 1:02:25Rachel Feltman?

  To give out a gold. We'll take the W's. All right.

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