‘Landman’ Shows That Taylor Sheridan’s Still Got It. Plus, Is Cable Officially Dead?

Chris and Andy talk about the news that Comcast will be spinning off several of its cable channels, including USA and Syfy, into a separate company (1:00). Then they discuss the trailers released this week for ‘The Studio’ from Apple TV (16:44) and ‘The Pitt,’ a new ‘ER’-esque show from Max (19:57). Finally, they break down the first two episodes of ‘Landman’: the newest show from the Taylor Sheridan–verse, which despite some wonky writing, still shines (28:22). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:37Chris Ryan?

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• 1:43Andy Greenwald?

  Hello and welcome to The Watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at theringer.com and joining me in the studio, he's been operating under the assumption that he was Cormac McCarthy's secret muse, it's Andy Greenwald! It's crushing. You know, when you have a relationship like Cormy and I had and you have the two Miata's that he bought me... You're really giving Judge from Blood Meridian right now, so I'm...

• 2:11Chris Ryan?

  Now that I know it, the resemblance is uncanny.

• 2:13Andy Greenwald?

  You realize that you've been seeing me in print for years?

• 2:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16Andy Greenwald?

  Beautiful. No one, what's the percentage of people that know what we're talking about?

• 2:20Chris Ryan?

  I think it's enough to keep this podcast afloat financially and also emotionally.

• 2:25Andy Greenwald?

  Great.

• 2:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Andy, it's fantastic to be back in the United States of America.

• 2:29Andy Greenwald?

  Is it?

• 2:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, sure. I love sitting in traffic. It's great to see Kaya. We're here. We're gonna talk a lot today about a show that has struck us to our core. They dug deep and struck oil.

• 2:41Andy Greenwald?

  It, I thought that it only had surface rights to my heart.

• 2:45Chris Ryan?

  But they fracked that water out.

• 2:47Andy Greenwald?

  Turns out.

• 2:48Chris Ryan?

  We're gonna talk about Landman, the third current chibi show from Taylor Sheridan. It's, he's got three shows in the air, Yellowstone, Lioness, and Landman. We're gonna talk about this Billy Bob Thornton show today.

• 2:59Andy Greenwald?

  This Tulsa King erasure is not gonna stand.

• 3:01Chris Ryan?

  Is Tulsa King actually also on?

• 3:02Andy Greenwald?

  I believe so.

• 3:03Chris Ryan?

  I thought Tulsa King wrapped up its second campaign.

• 3:06Andy Greenwald?

  I mean, it's, it's out there. See a lot of ads for it.

• 3:08Chris Ryan?

  Got a little bit of stuff for you today. I got Comcast spinning off its cable biz. You know, I love to get into the weeds with that stuff. And then we have some trailers and some announcements of shows that we're excited about that we want to keep our eye on.

• 3:20Andy Greenwald?

  You know how there's always some cover, like when, during the NFL season, when they're like, how are these players gonna adjust and be ready to play at 8 a.m. Munich time? When their bodies are machines that are attuned to be, you know, to Cincinnati mean time or whatever.

• 3:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:36Andy Greenwald?

  This is you. This is what I'm seeing right now. I last saw you a couple pints deep in my local pub, like 90 hours ago? And look at you now, locked in.

• 3:47Chris Ryan?

  You, I actually sensed, you, you crawled out. You were, you were like, I gotta go, I gotta fly home. And I was like, nah, dog.

• 3:54Andy Greenwald?

  No.

• 3:56Andy Greenwald?

  You, you, you took a tour of the London catacombs, which isn't a thing.

• 3:59Chris Ryan?

  I know. Okay, so the Comcast thing I wanted to ask you about.

• 4:04Chris Ryan?

  MSNBC, CNBC, USA, a network you're familiar with.

• 4:09Andy Greenwald?

  A network I ended.

• 4:10Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Oxygen, E exclamation point, Sci-Fi.

• 4:14Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 4:15Chris Ryan?

  And Golf Channel are all rumored to be.

• 4:17Andy Greenwald?

  A, a network you care about.

• 4:18Chris Ryan?

  Being spun off into something.

• 4:20Andy Greenwald?

  Not rumored, it's happening.

• 4:21Chris Ryan?

  It's happening. So is it called Spinco or is that just what they call? Spinoff companies when they before they come up with like a new title for it.

• 4:28Andy Greenwald?

  Oh yeah. Remember when it was Spulu was sports Hulu?

• 4:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but like.

• 4:31Andy Greenwald?

  I don't believe unless unless the market has moved during my 45 minutes in traffic just now. I don't believe they've named.

• 4:39Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 4:40Andy Greenwald?

  This new conglomerate company is that? And anyone, anyone looking at the ticker tape coming out of the machine?

• 4:45Chris Ryan?

  I would just call this company Ladies Golf and News.

• 4:48Andy Greenwald?

  No, that's confusing because it would, it makes it sound like it's the Michelle Wee Network. News about her.

• 4:55Andy Greenwald?

  Ladies Golf.

• 4:56Chris Ryan?

  Michelle Wee red carpet looks.

• 4:58Andy Greenwald?

  Ladies Golf. Ladies Golf News?

• 5:01Chris Ryan?

  Late Michelle Wee's stock portfolio.

• 5:05Chris Ryan?

  Michelle Wee's resistance tweets.

• 5:07Andy Greenwald?

  You know, we've recently been, as I've said on this podcast, I've been watching Parks and Rec with my children. And really, one of the best low key late season beats is when, when Leslie goes to Jeremy Jam's house.

• 5:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:19Andy Greenwald?

  And all the walls are covered in posters and framed pictures of Michelle Wee. And he says, I just like her game.

• 5:25Chris Ryan?

  Hey, I was gonna say, I listened to you and Sean and you guys high fiving each other about not watching television.

• 5:30Andy Greenwald?

  Did you enjoy that?

• 5:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Do you ever say to your daughters, we're watching something for Chris now?

• 5:36Andy Greenwald?

  Do you ever say to your daughters? How do you look them in the eye? Uh. No, the thing that they say now is you can watch whatever you want when you're in London, Dad.

• 5:47Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. Actually, but that's not true. There's a lot of rights issues.

• 5:51Andy Greenwald?

  There are a ton. Thank you for understanding my struggle.

• 5:53Chris Ryan?

  Um.

• 5:55Andy Greenwald?

  You want to talk about this?

• 5:55Chris Ryan?

  There's two things. One, this is very Kaia coded news is that they're keeping Bravo as the iron lung of Peacock. You know, they've got to keep the Housewives and Below Deck and everything. That's one of the major drivers, I think, to Peacock, as Kaia can attest, as frankly as I can attest. And in his wake up newsletter from the anchor Sean McNulty suggested that there could be some M and A on the horizon. I know people have suggested the incoming Trump administration may be.

• 6:22Andy Greenwald?

  Not familiar.

• 6:23Chris Ryan?

  More open to mergers and acquisitions passing through. So with Paramount likely to look to get.

• 6:30Andy Greenwald?

  Off some of its cable properties. You've got, you know, channels like BET or MTV that could be open and, and who knows who, what, what enterprising businessman might say, I'm going, going long on cable. I'm getting into this business. That's, that's interesting to me. So basically what the big picture is, they were like, in order for the corporate health of this organization, Shine, Hart, Wig, NBC, Comcast, Universal. We need to jettison the parts that aren't growth industries anymore. And that's essentially, that's cable. I, but funnily enough, they're still profitable. They're just not growth. Exactly. And everything is now growth. Um, this morning I was listening to, um, a Ringer podcast called The Town. Featuring an up and coming sports journalist, William Simmons.

• 7:16Andy Greenwald?

  And the point that, that Matt Bellany and Bill made that I thought was interesting was suggesting that there was some sort of 4D chess going on here that also included the recent NBA rights deal. That basically, that by cutting off Turner Sports at the knees and stealing the basketball package, it devalued. The entire business. The Turner cable networks, which might leave them open for consolidation or purchase or to be picked off by this company. Which leads to what your point is, is someone going to be like, I'm going to buy this distressed asset and find a way to keep it profitable. That's kind of interesting. Yeah. I genuinely have no idea what any of this means for the side of the business that we normally cover.

• 7:59Andy Greenwald?

  Uh, I don't even really understand what it means for the side of the business that we don't, in the sense that like. A lot of these networks were, I mean, as, as far as integration goes, fairly healthily integrated into the mothership. I mean, they were all pumping, you know, and then have all kind of like had their, their successes and failures over the last couple of years. But particularly like, I don't understand, like they're keeping the NBC, the broadcast network, which is a huge, huge important.

• 8:21Andy Greenwald?

  Because they just, they just got NBA rights and now they, they also have Sunday Night Football is probably the most popular show. America. Yes, they also have a news division. The news division was very, very, very, very, very integrated into MSNBC as well. And now MSNBC, well, in the sense that like they're drawing from the same pool and like you could have anchors appear on both shows or whatever. I guess that's fine in the sense that like your personal doctor, the doctor who owns the LA Times believes very important. It's very important to separate news and opinion. So maybe that's what's going to happen now. You know, NBC is going to be just the facts, ma'am. And MSNBC is just going to be people I went to college with crying, which is fine.

• 9:02Andy Greenwald?

  So maybe that works. I, I don't know. There's going to be a lot more crazy things like. As weird as it is to say, like, we've been talking for a year or two years about how. So much of the industry is paralyzed and fear driven, but a lot of it is because of the uncertainty of what shoes will drop next. Will there be consolidation? Will there be mergers? Well, who knows what will happen? And like weird shit is going to continue to happen. The inside the NBA moving essentially or being traded from TNT to ESPN. Makes a lot of sense. Still being produced by Turner. It makes a ton of sense. Produced out of Atlanta and everything. But my feeble, you know, old school mind couldn't comprehend that as an option. Yeah.

• 9:47Andy Greenwald?

  So there is going to, you know, you're going to do well in this new era, I think, because you're more of a disruptor in terms of your thinking. You're not as, you know, as parochial as I am, but I truly don't know what it means. I, I think that if the. If like Sci-Fi USA and all those cable channels had been more closely integrated into Peacock from the beginning. We wouldn't be here, but they were committed to keeping them as separate entities.

• 10:11Andy Greenwald?

  The roadmap would have been to try and make those verticals, you know, and I think Warner's trying to do the same thing where they've like. Got the discovery side of the Max app that you can kind of get into Magnolia and you get into HGTV. But that's why they're keeping Bravo. Yes. I mean, not only to keep Kai happy. But I mean, like theoretically, there must have been, you could have made Sci-Fi into.

• 10:31Chris Ryan?

  Some kind of like genre hub on, you know, Peacock.

• 10:34Andy Greenwald?

  Exactly. I think that would have required a lot more vision and a lot more library acquisition.

• 10:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And library retention, because a lot of that stuff has since been sold off.

• 10:42Andy Greenwald?

  I think that they didn't, NBC Universal did not treat its cable networks with the same disdain that Viacom famously did, just letting Comedy Central and MTV basically wither and die on the vine. But the essential problem remained the same in terms of can you produce content and program for a 24 hour channel when all of your resources are being split in other directions? And the answer obviously was no, right? Like they had library shows, they had library movies, but you know, I think USA had a pretty good original series in 2020. They have not made that many original series since then. And all that is, you know, by some level of corporate choice, the programming team was focused on Peacock originals and that's what they'll continue to do.

• 11:24Chris Ryan?

  Let's talk about some shows that we're excited for.

• 11:26Andy Greenwald?

  You don't like talking mergies and acts?

• 11:28Chris Ryan?

  You know what I was gonna do is I was gonna ask you if you could have your current, this was a prompt that I had had for you, but then I was kind of like, this is sort of a silly question because as someone who spends probably two weeks a year watching cable television at maximum volume with my mother, I can assure you that it is an absolutely soul killing experience. The like cumulative experience of having a TV on all day long will make you want to throw yourself in front of a bus. And I've thought about it multiple times when like the 75th dick pill diabetes ad is on and I'm still like trying.

• 12:05Andy Greenwald?

  And you're still working your way through your first batch that you'd ordered?

• 12:10Andy Greenwald?

  You're like, don't sell me, I'm sold.

• 12:13Andy Greenwald?

  Is that the vibe?

• 12:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, my diabetes is cured. Just waiting for the second half to kick in.

• 12:20Chris Ryan?

  I'm not, I don't know what you're trying to save here is my point, but I was gonna ask you if you could choose any current cable channel to swoop in, buy it for pennies on the dollar, take the brand, revive some of its like core, great, you know, properties and make a go of it even in this contemporary moment, like it like.

• 12:42Andy Greenwald?

  If I ask you that, what do you say? It's the Viacom networks. I mean, I, I think MTV and Comedy Central were legacy brands, but also incredibly, incredibly valuable brands. Yeah. That represented the thing that they aspired to contain, right? Like MTV was a definitive brand for music and repository of music and place people went for music and music news and all of the attendant, cool, cultural, youthful things that we used to be a part of, but that also, you know, are associated with music. Yeah. And they just squandered that. They completely fumbled that bag. And similarly, Comedy Central proved in the Kent Alterman era, like of now, almost 15 years ago, that, you know, there is a lot of, as Billy Bob would say, there's a lot, a lot to mine here.

• 13:28Andy Greenwald?

  Yes. You know, and like the fact that 15 years ago, it seemed like one era of that network was done. And then he and his team went out and got us Key and Peele and Workaholics and Detroiters and Broad City. Kroll Show. Where's the next generation of those shows going? I can't believe that now you're trying to cast yourself as a Detroiters day one. Uh, no, I am just trying to admit. Look, I'm very, very comfortable admitting my mistakes and my blind spots. If we buy the Viacom network portfolio, do we just install ourselves as hosts of 106 and Park? Oh, um, I, I mean, I thought you were gonna say 120 minutes. But what if we combine them? It was 120 minutes in park. Yeah. And it was just the stuff that we listened to, us in 1998. Here's a Gangster Girls mixtape.

• 14:12Andy Greenwald?

  Here's a Gangster Girls mixtape and also a Gotta My Voices outtake. That would be great for us. Um, yeah, it's, it's insane to me that they just squandered those, not just those brands, those networks, but just gave it all away to YouTube and TikTok and wherever else music and comedy exists today. It's a bummer. Yeah, I think, uh, I think that this era is over. I just, I just think that Yeah. Viewer behavior has changed so profoundly.

• 14:35Chris Ryan?

  The proposition of cable television is so expensive and so unsatisfying. And a customer, why would you, I don't know even now why I have it. I have it because I think I need live sports, but almost all live sports are basically available through online streaming apps at this point. I could have so much of a better experience, but I just am like that Spectrum just has me in a headlock. I don't want to tell you.

• 15:00Andy Greenwald?

  I switched to YouTube TV. I made it six days being like, I don't need to watch things that are on television. I mean, clearly I don't think I need to, but I mean, like sports, basically.

• 15:10Chris Ryan?

  And MSNBC.

• 15:11Andy Greenwald?

  MSNBC, I just gotta see how my old pals are doing.

• 15:15Andy Greenwald?

  The other thing I would say is not everything that I think is going to happen in the next months and years is going to be like, like absolutely earth shattering or cause you to shake your head. But there is just more of a porous border between things. And we noted it when HBO started licensing content to Netflix. And now all these people are licensing content to Netflix again. But I got an email the other day that was directly tailored to me. That was like Criterion Collection licensing most, you know, some of its library to Max.

• 15:45Chris Ryan?

  No, they re-up the contract. So it already is available on Max, a lot of it is, or a chunk of it is.

• 15:50Andy Greenwald?

  But that's just like, these borders are getting more porous as the idea of, yeah, everyone having their separate fiefdoms does not.

• 15:58Chris Ryan?

  Unless you're a UX guy like me and you have real preferences, you know?

• 16:01Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, and you love Prime. That was your wildest take ever.

• 16:06Chris Ryan?

  It's so fucking bad.

• 16:07Andy Greenwald?

  In 12 years.

• 16:10Andy Greenwald?

  Can I, Kaya, can you come in on this? Like my current number one UX issue is Peacock based.

• 16:17Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 16:17Andy Greenwald?

  Which is, it's a very sensitive trigger where I'm like, yes, I would like to move to the next episode of Parks and Rec. And it's just like, would you like to watch these clips from unrelated shows?

• 16:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:26Andy Greenwald?

  It just slides all over the place.

• 16:28Chris Ryan?

  I hate how Peacock, instead of when's an episode end, sending me to like what I've already been watching. Send me to like a random show that I have like no interest in.

• 16:39Andy Greenwald?

  What's that show? Is it about ladies golf?

• 16:43Chris Ryan?

  You'd be surprised. It's like, it's like a random episode of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

• 16:48Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, how is your algo these days since from what the cloud understands about you? You only watch zombie shows and Below Deck.

• 16:56Chris Ryan?

  It is really funny.

• 16:57Andy Greenwald?

  And Taylor Sheridan shows. And Taylor Sheridan shows.

• 16:59Chris Ryan?

  I haven't re-upped my Paramount subscription yet. I'm waiting for a few more.

• 17:03Andy Greenwald?

  You're waiting for some, some for us to weigh in on land.

• 17:05Chris Ryan?

  Also call in from accounts. I'm ready. I'm excited to watch that. But it is funny because I only recently just got my own personal Netflix subscription.

• 17:14Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:14Chris Ryan?

  And so that erased like all of my past watching history. And so it's, it's real weird on my Netflix.

• 17:20Andy Greenwald?

  I get that too. When I go back in my, I look at my mom's Netflix and I'm like, where are my international drug dealing shows? For my programs? You guys remember, I'm still obsessed with this, that I never changed back my username on Netflix. It's just like dad. So yesterday, no, no, yesterday I got an email that said, daddy, don't forget to finish Detroiters. You're like, I won't.

• 17:42Andy Greenwald?

  Thank you, AI mommy. I won't. A couple of shows that's that are gotten trailers or announcements over the last couple of days that I wanted to shout out. Yeah. There is an absolute tidal wave of Apple Television coming in the next 15 months. I can't. It's so crazy. It actually, there is an argument and a separate conversation to have of like Apple's effort to just completely recreate the ecosystem that we just described as dying. Yep. By like putting on a hundred shows a year. I have no idea honestly what the number is at this point, but it's starting to get outrageous. There's a bunch of stuff that's on right now that we haven't touched on, like Bad Sisters and Silo. S2 and S2. Yeah. And, um, but well, the thing I wanted to mention to you was A, there was a trailer for a new Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg show called The Studio. Yeah, I want to talk about.

• 18:26Andy Greenwald?

  I straight up never heard of. Never heard of. I was just like, they just made a show that's coming out in the spring. I think after Severance and it looks like.

• 18:35Chris Ryan?

  Catherine Han is in it.

• 18:37Andy Greenwald?

  Catherine O'Hara.

• 18:38Chris Ryan?

  And Catherine O'Hara and a ton of.

• 18:39Andy Greenwald?

  And Bryan Cranston.

• 18:40Chris Ryan?

  And Bryan Cranston. And it actually like I would when I first read the log line for this movie, which is about Seth Rogen's character becoming, sorry, show Seth Rogen's character becoming the president of a.

• 18:52Andy Greenwald?

  Fictional studio.

• 18:53Chris Ryan?

  Fictional movie studio. Well, I was like, oh, it fooled me 35 times. I was like, maybe this will be like Seth Rogen's version of The Player. Like a darkly satirical takedown of the industry, you know? And it looks like honestly, like a pretty affirmative, like guy who's guy like gets to the top of the mountain and gets his dream job, but is also like breaking inside and also everything around him is so hard to keep together and he talks to a therapist and just loves movies and wants to keep making them. You can't really tell a lot from the trailer, but I was a little bit surprised by the tone.

• 19:24Andy Greenwald?

  I, first of all, this is how crazy Apple TV is. I saw a headline that said, you know, Seth Rogen comedy, Apple trailer. And I was like, ah, platonic season two. Something that just felt inevitable because they just renew stuff. It is not that. I had never heard of the show. I am pretty excited for it. I think tone is probably everything. I, I feel like you're right that those of us of a certain demographic, when we hear the log line, we definitely think The Player. It made me think of one of my favorite Don Carpenter novels, this novel called Turnaround, which is about a studio executive who loves movies, but they don't love them back. Uh, highly recommend that book, but that there would be some darkness to it.

• 20:09Andy Greenwald?

  And then there still might be, it does feel a little bit that this, from the trailer, that there might be, I'm not saying this is Seth Rogen's Barry.

• 20:18Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 20:18Andy Greenwald?

  But what if it was a little bit?

• 20:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that would be cool. I mean, I think that like.

• 20:22Andy Greenwald?

  There's a, there's a shot in the trailer where he's talking to Catherine O'Hara. Somewhere up in Griffith Park overlooking the city and there's just a rainbow in the background. And that is such a beautiful statement shot.

• 20:35Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 20:35Andy Greenwald?

  That made me think that maybe the show isn't as wedded to.

• 20:38Chris Ryan?

  Reality.

• 20:39Andy Greenwald?

  Reality, or the type of comedic logic that he, that Seth Rogen usually traffics in. I'm not ready, I'm not saying I want him to be a dramatic actor, although he was pretty good in The Fableman's. I just feel like I'm ready for his.

• 20:50Chris Ryan?

  Very good in Steve Jobs.

• 20:52Andy Greenwald?

  He was really good in Steve Jobs. Underrated movie. You and I like that movie.

• 20:55Chris Ryan?

  I love that movie.

• 20:56Andy Greenwald?

  It's really good.

• 20:57Chris Ryan?

  Uh, another trailer that dropped is a program on the Max Network.

• 21:01Andy Greenwald?

  Hmm.

• 21:01Chris Ryan?

  Which is called, a show called The Pit.

• 21:03Andy Greenwald?

  Mm hmm.

• 21:04Chris Ryan?

  We've discussed this, this, we haven't actually talked about the legal proceedings surrounding this show. Which is really fascinating, but The Pit is from John Wells, who obviously brought us ER, worked on, brought us Shameless, the American version of Shameless.

• 21:18Andy Greenwald?

  The West Wing.

• 21:19Chris Ryan?

  And also came in and was the closer on West Wing when Aaron Sorkin stopped after season five or six or whatever.

• 21:24Andy Greenwald?

  After season four.

• 21:25Chris Ryan?

  Season four. He is reunited with ER star Noah Wiley.

• 21:30Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 21:30Chris Ryan?

  But crucially, and this is a show about an emergency room, but crucially, this is not an ER legacy sequel. Or legacy show.

• 21:39Andy Greenwald?

  Although it was designed to be, wasn't it?

• 21:42Chris Ryan?

  I.

• 21:43Andy Greenwald?

  Or are they legally not saying this?

• 21:45Chris Ryan?

  It's, isn't it? That's not what this is.

• 21:47Andy Greenwald?

  Uh huh.

• 21:48Chris Ryan?

  And then you watch the trailer and you feel like you were fucking back in 1993 and Dr. Mark Green just cleared your trachea.

• 21:56Andy Greenwald?

  I.

• 21:57Chris Ryan?

  You know what I mean? Doug Ross, stare into my eyes and fix my fucking arm.

• 22:02Andy Greenwald?

  I feel like I'm not, I haven't like, I haven't dug into the paperwork here. My memory was that this was a hundred percent shadow developed as a ER.

• 22:12Chris Ryan?

  They are like, this is Michael Crichton. This is not that.

• 22:15Andy Greenwald?

  That's why.

• 22:16Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 22:16Andy Greenwald?

  That's why. Cause the, the estate of your man, Michael Crichton, wasn't so into that. But basically it is.

• 22:24Chris Ryan?

  They were like, that's cool, but you must cut the check.

• 22:27Andy Greenwald?

  We would like to build a third actual Jurassic Park on the island that we own. From.

• 22:34Chris Ryan?

  Elin Nublar.

• 22:37Andy Greenwald?

  Do you think the Crichton estate is just like, these days they're gonna come back and ask about disclosure and rising sun? The culture's shifting. We're gonna make, we're gonna make a whole prestige series about how sometimes the men get harassed.

• 22:49Chris Ryan?

  You joke, but like after disclaimer, disclosure is right around the corner, man.

• 22:51Andy Greenwald?

  Sometimes men get harassed. Sometimes Japanese are unfeeling. Those were some fire takes in the 90s.

• 23:00Andy Greenwald?

  Just, you never do Rising Sun on the rewatchables, did you?

• 23:03Chris Ryan?

  No, we did not.

• 23:04Andy Greenwald?

  Huh, well, maybe after January 20th, it'll be time to revisit some of this stuff. Anyway.

• 23:09Chris Ryan?

  Oh, and we're unshackled. Yeah, we're just like finally free to speak our minds on the rewatchables.

• 23:14Andy Greenwald?

  You're no longer shadow banned. JMO could just flourish. Um, I, this is a pretty good trailer, man.

• 23:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, man. It's pretty, no, I was just being like, we, it's so, I did not know this, this, the structure of the, of the season. 15 episodes in the first season, 15 hours, one single shift at ER, which ER, when, if you can, the, the series ER, if you can even begin to sort of sum up, it's the enormity with which that hit everybody's lives, where it was just like, this is what I do on Thursdays is I like watch people bleed out for 45 minutes with Ford commercials. And it's the most mesmerizing, amazing thing I've ever seen. Um.

• 23:59Andy Greenwald?

  Do you remember how good we had it? It wasn't just that we did that. We did that after watching Friends and Seinfeld.

• 24:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:06Andy Greenwald?

  And Caroline in the City or whatever. You could take a little break, walk around the block then.

• 24:10Chris Ryan?

  Were you, were you a takesman back then and just walk into school and be like, actually Caroline in the City is, is really

• 24:16Andy Greenwald?

  The opposite.

• 24:16Chris Ryan?

  The best comedy on.

• 24:18Andy Greenwald?

  I was worse. I was like, why can't NBC solve its Thursday at 9:30 problem? Veronica's Closet is another overpriced retread.

• 24:28Andy Greenwald?

  I did, I did send this to you.

• 24:30Chris Ryan?

  And they're like, dude, it's your turn to kick and kickball.

• 24:32Andy Greenwald?

  For real. I did send this to you and John, that I did find issues of my high school newspaper where I was the film critic.

• 24:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 24:40Andy Greenwald?

  I'm realizing now that I was just cosplaying as my father, responding probably to the reviews your dad wrote. And I was like, Addams Family's values is a triviality, but an entertaining one. It's like 15.

• 24:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. My favorite thing speaking of rewatchables is like when like there's some random like Ebert pivots for Porky's, you know, Ebert's just like, oh yeah, you know what? This is pretty good.

• 25:05Andy Greenwald?

  He gotta, he's gotta be him.

• 25:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Um, so the pit looks incredible. I think that's coming, uh, later, like, like in the spring.

• 25:13Andy Greenwald?

  You're looking at me like you didn't just watch the trailer.

• 25:15Chris Ryan?

  Well, I didn't see a date. Did you? Did I miss that?

• 25:18Andy Greenwald?

  Can I make a comment while you look to see if you missed the date, which is I really, really respect Noah Wiley for this and I'm happy to see him taking on like the, the more grizzled, uh, Mark Green role as opposed to what was his name on the show? John Carter.

• 25:32Chris Ryan?

  Carter.

• 25:33Andy Greenwald?

  Carter, from Mars.

• 25:34Chris Ryan?

  He wasn't from Mars.

• 25:35Andy Greenwald?

  In the sense that I do think some actors to their detriment run from what they're good at because they don't want to be typecast or they're tired of doing it. He played that role for like 11 years, but I'm ready to say that I Noah Wiley ought to be to emergency room doctors as Timothy Olyphant is to marshals. Just like.

• 25:51Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:52Andy Greenwald?

  You're really good at this.

• 25:53Chris Ryan?

  You're allowed to play them anytime you want.

• 25:54Andy Greenwald?

  That's what we want. Stop trying to.

• 25:57Chris Ryan?

  We should go back and CGI him into movies. Like he should be the guy who sutures up Val Kilmer's shoulder and he.

• 26:03Andy Greenwald?

  He should be.

• 26:04Chris Ryan?

  You know, instead of Jeremy Piven.

• 26:05Andy Greenwald?

  He should have the Julianne Moore role in The Fugitive.

• 26:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:08Andy Greenwald?

  Where he's just like, you could see that there was a Noah Wiley Harrison Ford romance that they just cut for time, but it would have been memorable.

• 26:15Chris Ryan?

  Last thing we wanted to shout out was, uh, the first images from an Apple show called Dope Thieves.

• 26:20Andy Greenwald?

  That's all we need.

• 26:21Chris Ryan?

  Dope Thief. And it stars Wagner Mora and Brian Tyree Henry. It is about, uh, ne'er do well Philadelphians who poses DEA agents and rob stash houses, but then get pulled into, uh, an East Coast cartel situation. And if they're, you know, remember, what was the name of the, the guy from Oregon who ran Steve some.

• 26:43Andy Greenwald?

  Prefontaine?

• 26:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Remember there's two Prefontaine movies?

• 26:45Andy Greenwald?

  Without Limits and Prefontaine.

• 26:47Chris Ryan?

  We have two Philly crime sagas coming, uh, and I couldn't be happier, honestly.

• 26:52Andy Greenwald?

  Sometimes the universe pivots towards us.

• 26:54Chris Ryan?

  Cause there's this one, and there's the Brad Engels, be Mark Ruffalo one.

• 26:56Andy Greenwald?

  Which is called, uh, Task, I believe.

• 26:59Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 26:59Andy Greenwald?

  And that's wrapped and coming next year. And it's just like, yes, just feed us more.

• 27:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:05Andy Greenwald?

  Give us more. The fact that Apple had one also starring my favorite actor in The Eternals, Brian Tyree Henry.

• 27:13Andy Greenwald?

  He is my favorite actor, but you can be shit about that.

• 27:18Andy Greenwald?

  It's fantastic. It's fantastic.

• 27:20Chris Ryan?

  There's one concern I have.

• 27:21Andy Greenwald?

  Okay.

• 27:22Chris Ryan?

  The shot, the promo image they have of Brian Tyree Henry and Wagon Mora walking. It looks cool. It looks authentic to a point. I'm worried that Mora is wearing a hat with no insignia.

• 27:38Andy Greenwald?

  Oh.

• 27:39Chris Ryan?

  And that is, to me, the reddest of red flags, is when they just don't, just be like, this dude would have a Phillies hat, you know?

• 27:46Andy Greenwald?

  Yes.

• 27:46Chris Ryan?

  So I can't tell. The image itself is not, maybe I didn't download it into Photoshop and zoom in enough, but if this is just like random hat guy, I'm gonna be mad.

• 27:55Andy Greenwald?

  I think that it is very, very hard for people in Los Angeles, a city that does have like

• 28:02Chris Ryan?

  It does have guys who wear, well, yeah.

• 28:05Andy Greenwald?

  His Dodgers and Lakers fans are real. But this city is so big and so many people from so many places that you just kinda don't see that. But then you go home to Philly.

• 28:15Chris Ryan?

  And people just wear that as, like, that's what they wear to work.

• 28:19Andy Greenwald?

  People are just dressed as the Philly fan.

• 28:23Andy Greenwald?

  It's like, I got a street pretzel from Gritty.

• 28:27Andy Greenwald?

  That's really part of daily life and I, I agree.

• 28:30Chris Ryan?

  I can't wait any longer. I need to talk about Landman.

• 28:32Andy Greenwald?

  Can I just, do you, do you think, should we offer our services, though, as like?

• 28:36Chris Ryan?

  Philadelphia consultants?

• 28:37Andy Greenwald?

  Consultants, be like, these old guys moved away 30 years ago, but they're willing to just like, jaun up your jaun.

• 28:46Chris Ryan?

  I think that the Philly set series Renaissance will be short-lived.

• 28:51Andy Greenwald?

  You think?

• 28:52Chris Ryan?

  Nah, it's not, nothing against it. It's just like, clearly Hollywood is not looking at Philadelphia as this cosmopolitan culinary destination yet, you know, so like, it's not like the bear is gonna get moved to Philly.

• 29:02Andy Greenwald?

  The restaurants are good.

• 29:03Chris Ryan?

  I love the restaurants in Philly, but I just don't think that they're gonna, you know, like, if they wanna put the bear in Bad Brother, I'm down, but like.

• 29:09Andy Greenwald?

  Do you think that the, um, do you feel like Hollywood has overdosed?

• 29:14Chris Ryan?

  It's overdosed a little bit, yeah.

• 29:16Andy Greenwald?

  I get it.

• 29:16Chris Ryan?

  They just see it as criminals.

• 29:19Andy Greenwald?

  See as, yeah. Good, good.

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• 31:22Chris Ryan?

  Okay, we gotta do it, please?

• 31:24Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 31:25Chris Ryan?

  All right, Landman, if you don't want to get Landman spoiled for you the first two episodes, you can stop here. Just, here's my capsule review. Holy fucking shit.

• 31:36Chris Ryan?

  Holy shit, dude.

• 31:41Chris Ryan?

  Every time I'm like, maybe Taylor's stretched too thin, you know what I mean? Maybe, maybe this thing's come to the end of the road. I don't feel that way now, man. Landman is based on a Texas Monthly podcast called Boomtown, a very, very good podcast created by Taylor, and this series is created by Taylor Sheridan and Christian Wallace, who, uh, son worked for Texas Monthly, did the Boomtown podcast. Sheridan is the sole credited writer on the first season, and, uh, as with the new season of Lioness, he directed the first two episodes.

• 32:10Andy Greenwald?

  So crazy.

• 32:11Chris Ryan?

  It's set in the Permian Basin of West Texas, uh, in towns like Odessa and Midland that will ring some bells for our Friday Night Lights heads out there. We didn't really talk about the Friday Night Lights reboot, by the way.

• 32:21Andy Greenwald?

  I'll believe it when I see it.

• 32:25Chris Ryan?

  Okay, uh, Landman stars Billy Bob Thornton as Tommy Norris, the fixer in chief of MTEx, AKA a landman. His son Cooper has joined this company as a worm or like a low man on a roughneck crew. His daughter Ainsley.

• 32:40Andy Greenwald?

  Get ready.

• 32:40Chris Ryan?

  Sweet, sweet Ainsley.

• 32:42Andy Greenwald?

  Sweet, innocent angel, 35-year-old Ainsley.

• 32:45Chris Ryan?

  She is just a profound assault on good taste, honestly, like the whole plotline. I just want to say, this show, I so far doesn't actually have like a villain or like a, uh, like much of a plot engine. I mean, I guess we're kind of moseying along. The cast is incredible. Ally Larder, Jon Hamm, Colm Fior, Michael Peña, Andy Garcia is coming later in the season. It's nuts. There's a bunch of Taylor Sheridan, um, rep theater people, like, uh, Robin Lively, James Jordan, and a bunch of other folks, but, um, this new series is, is, is kind of like being posited as Yellowstone, but with oil instead of cows. I would say that to me, it is much, he was much closer to Kingstown in terms

• 33:30Chris Ryan?

  of its cynicism and it's kind of, this is a, an industry that is a necessary evil, and the main character is the person who sometimes reluctantly keeps that industry alive. What did you think of the first two episodes, Andy Greenwald?

• 33:48Andy Greenwald?

  I think they broke me.

• 33:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, dog.

• 33:50Andy Greenwald?

  Of, this is the first Taylor Sheridan show that I can, I can get with a little bit. Now, it is batshit insane.

• 34:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:02Chris Ryan?

  I think this is the one where you're gonna be like, oh, I get it now.

• 34:05Andy Greenwald?

  Well, I have a couple brain bombs to drop on you about my, my Taylor Sheridan awakening. Injected that.

• 34:12Chris Ryan?

  You're pilling maybe?

• 34:13Andy Greenwald?

  The L DOPA I took to understand the show, the L stands for landman.

• 34:18Andy Greenwald?

  But I'll say that just, just like, it started like a hundred thousand feet above the Permian Basin.

• 34:24Chris Ryan?

  In a private plane?

• 34:25Andy Greenwald?

  In a private plane filled with cocaine that I stole, question mark.

• 34:33Andy Greenwald?

  This is such a rich text for a TV show.

• 34:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:36Andy Greenwald?

  This is such a fascinating, deep, complicated, collision-filled world. And it is so ripe for a TV show. And there are elements to this that like, I mean this genuinely, like the best of all transport me to something else television programs. There is a, I'm not saying the show is accurate. I have no way of knowing.

• 34:59Chris Ryan?

  It feels real.

• 34:59Andy Greenwald?

  There is some live in detail.

• 35:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:02Andy Greenwald?

  Like just the line of cars getting coffee. If you really get coffee from women in bikinis pre-dawn before working your shift, let me know. But that is a choice and a detail.

• 35:13Chris Ryan?

  The houses that the, the Roughnecks live in, the little like propped up.

• 35:17Andy Greenwald?

  Yep.

• 35:17Chris Ryan?

  Like division that they've put up in the field somewhere. The idea of like working the patch being like the, the cleanest way to make a good salary. If you don't have like higher education and stuff, it's just like all these like little details.

• 35:29Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 35:29Chris Ryan?

  And the upstairs, downstairs stuff.

• 35:31Andy Greenwald?

  Class, culture, capitalism, the three Cs. Um, it is really, really ripe and the show is very smartly built around a motherfucker of a star performance. Billy Bob Thornton is, has been playing basically versions of this role his whole life. And this is incredibly comfortable for him. He is magnetic, he's charismatic, he is funny, he is beat to shit in all the best ways.

• 35:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:57Andy Greenwald?

  And it is in the, again, this is something that Sheridan just does and understands in his bones as he makes these shows that are like. nominally contemporary and prestigious and the character's curse and whatever. But the idea of like a swaggering guy who just drives from crisis to crisis, delivering monologues about how one should live.

• 36:16Chris Ryan?

  It's roughneck Michael Clayton.

• 36:17Andy Greenwald?

  It is, and he fixes every situation and, you know, literally cuts off part of his own finger because some cuck doctor is like, I'm going to take you to a specialist to save your finger.

• 36:28Chris Ryan?

  He's like, I ain't getting 12 surgeries to fuck.

• 36:31Andy Greenwald?

  I, I, I mean, it's outrageous, you know?

• 36:34Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 36:34Andy Greenwald?

  Like, um, I mean, it, it is really, really compelling. And then it is also crazy.

• 36:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. So the first 33 minutes of this show, I think about is Billy Bob Thornton has been kidnapped by the cartel, but then talks his way out of it by leveling with the cartel leader. Then there is a plane crashing, no, a plane, a truck crashes into a, a semi truck.

• 36:59Andy Greenwald?

  Lands on a highway, a private road.

• 37:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And there, there's like a cocaine deal going on, but a tractor trailer smashes in to the plane and the delivery van of cocaine. Exploding, sending cocaine or heroin everywhere, burning up bodies.

• 37:14Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 37:14Chris Ryan?

  Burning men, literally running across the screen.

• 37:16Andy Greenwald?

  That is the thing that all stuntmen ask if they can do. Like first day with the, with the stunties.

• 37:22Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, I haven't seen it since the Wax, California video.

• 37:24Andy Greenwald?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 37:25Chris Ryan?

  You don't really get a lot of burning guys.

• 37:26Andy Greenwald?

  They're like, what can you do in this? So, well, you could, I can ride a motorcycle. I can fall off of a building. But I, I could run and stagger around while lit on fire.

• 37:34Chris Ryan?

  But the thing is, is that like, I, I actually think that like, I've missed fire because like a lot of fire now is fake and just fire.

• 37:45Andy Greenwald?

  Wow. This is an elemental. Okay.

• 37:47Chris Ryan?

  Um, so you, it starts with these two very electrifying scenes and then slips into what you're saying. Billy Bob Thornton, I think it's like the whole prep, like idea is that for most of the working week, you know, everybody else has a Monday through Friday job, but for oil business, it's like you pump, pump, pump. So there is no such thing as like a weekend. Your weekend is like Wednesday.

• 38:10Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah. And it's, it's always five o'clock or 8 a.m. So you're always drinking beer or coffee or both.

• 38:17Chris Ryan?

  We have to talk about the Michelob Ultra part of this.

• 38:19Andy Greenwald?

  I'm, I was trying to front load the good stuff for get to the fact that this is for a TV show, this is the best Michelob Ultra commercial I've ever seen.

• 38:28Chris Ryan?

  I seriously almost asked my wife a week if I could somehow get a pitcher of Michelob Ultra.

• 38:34Andy Greenwald?

  Did you notice in the scene when recovering alcoholic Billy Bob Thornton?

• 38:38Chris Ryan?

  He's not recovering, he's just like, doesn't drink alcohol.

• 38:40Andy Greenwald?

  He's like, I only drink Michelob Ultra. So he gets his fourth bottle, but did you notice that it's also on tap?

• 38:46Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 38:46Andy Greenwald?

  At this part?

• 38:46Chris Ryan?

  She brings him a pitcher when he's like, buys like the rights from that rancher. So for 35 minutes, this show is just like, maybe this is the best show ever made.

• 38:56Andy Greenwald?

  Continue.

• 38:56Chris Ryan?

  And then Ainsley comes in.

• 38:59Andy Greenwald?

  Okay.

• 39:00Chris Ryan?

  Okay. So there is this teenage daughter character. Let me find out who plays this. I'm sorry. I want to give, give her credit.

• 39:05Andy Greenwald?

  Oh no, I've, I've got it. Her name is Michelle Randolph.

• 39:08Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 39:08Andy Greenwald?

  She is.

• 39:09Chris Ryan?

  27.

• 39:10Andy Greenwald?

  27 years young.

• 39:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:12Andy Greenwald?

  And I mean this respectfully.

• 39:13Chris Ryan?

  She's playing a 17 year old, hopefully.

• 39:17Andy Greenwald?

  She does, she, she looks like she's, she looks like she's.

• 39:21Chris Ryan?

  I understand what you're trying to say.

• 39:22Andy Greenwald?

  I'm trying to be polite.

• 39:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:23Andy Greenwald?

  They, and maybe it's good that they did not pretend that this was a teenager, that this is just an adult woman.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Sorry, this is really random, but her sister won Colton's season of The Bachelorette, or Bachelor.

• 39:35Andy Greenwald?

  What?

• 39:36Speaker 04

  Just a little factoid for you.

• 39:38Andy Greenwald?

  I don't know what any of that means.

• 39:38Chris Ryan?

  Was she on the like family visit?

• 39:40Speaker 04

  Oh gosh. Yeah, I think so. But I think, I think this is like her first, I think for this, she was just like an influencer.

• 39:47Chris Ryan?

  Well, okay.

• 39:48Andy Greenwald?

  Well, she continues to influence all of the landmen.

• 39:51Chris Ryan?

  So let's talk about this. There, it's pretty clear.

• 39:55Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 39:56Chris Ryan?

  Ally Larter, who again is in two episodes of television, Ally Larter,

• 40:03Chris Ryan?

  who just is doing great.

• 40:05Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 40:05Chris Ryan?

  Is only on FaceTime.

• 40:07Andy Greenwald?

  Yes. Her entirety of her performance is just contained within the screen.

• 40:14Chris Ryan?

  Pool in Cabo.

• 40:15Andy Greenwald?

  And, and, and she just shows up and she yells at Billy Bob.

• 40:19Chris Ryan?

  No, they flirt.

• 40:20Andy Greenwald?

  She yells at him and then she's like, why don't you want to fuck me? Should I come there? And he's just like, yeah. And she's like, no, I can't come there. That's the problem with my marriage. Hangs up and he's like, women.

• 40:35Andy Greenwald?

  Like, that's, that's the scene, right?

• 40:37Chris Ryan?

  Well, and then it gets better because you're like, oh, okay. Like, this is cool. They go to like, it's Ainsley shows up from, I don't know, where do they live in Fort Worth? Or something like that.

• 40:46Andy Greenwald?

  Sure, on a private jet.

• 40:47Chris Ryan?

  And they fly in a private jet. It's her and her boyfriend, Dakota Loving, who is a top 50 high school football recruit.

• 40:54Andy Greenwald?

  And he, he has a jacket that has his last name embroidered on the back of it.

• 40:58Chris Ryan?

  And there's a fucking incredible moment with this guy where he's talking about how he's going to Alabama. And Nick Saban is gonna help Ainsley get into Alabama with him. And Billy Bob's character, because I was like, oh, I wonder if this is taking place in a reality either pre Nick Saban's retirement, or in a world, an alternative reality, where Nick Saban doesn't retire once NIL comes in.

• 41:20Andy Greenwald?

  I

• 41:21Chris Ryan?

  And instead, Billy Bob's like, you know Nick Saban retired, right? And the guy's like, uh, uh.

• 41:27Andy Greenwald?

  Briefly, I thought this was a world where Nick Saban had been blipped by Thanos.

• 41:31Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 41:32Andy Greenwald?

  And then picked up again five years later. So he was still rejuvenated and youthful.

• 41:35Chris Ryan?

  Oh, you think Landman is part of the MCU?

• 41:37Andy Greenwald?

  I'm sorry, you don't? What made you think it was?

• 41:40Chris Ryan?

  Did you happen to write down the line that Ainsley shares with her father when he asks, are you having sex with Dakota?

• 41:48Andy Greenwald?

  Well, thank you for asking me that. As this podcast resident girl dad, I watched with interest. I can't say I pulled out my Notes app to take it down. But if I may, and I know that some people do listen to this podcast driving with their children and stop doing that.

• 42:04Chris Ryan?

  Earmuffs.

• 42:05Andy Greenwald?

  Earmuffs? Her response in public to her father is that she does not allow him to have penetrative sex with her. But that he, she does allow him to, if I may, ejaculate all over her body. Anywhere else that he chooses.

• 42:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and he's like, I need a Dr. Pepper.

• 42:22Andy Greenwald?

  And then he says, I need a Dr. Pepper. And then he goes to the concessions and asks for a Dr. Pepper. And then playfully asks if she has bourbon back there. And the child working retail is like, I've got weed gummies, sir, if you'd like some.

• 42:38Chris Ryan?

  Now, this was, you know,

• 42:40Andy Greenwald?

  Uh huh.

• 42:40Chris Ryan?

  Eyebrow singeing stuff. And it just continues for the next two episodes where every man is like, I'm trying not to look at your teenage daughter. And I'm trying to conceal my erections and like,

• 42:52Andy Greenwald?

  Yes, and I can't help it now that she's procured Crisco from the kitchen. I must see what she, what strange alchemy she is performing out by the pool.

• 43:02Chris Ryan?

  It's Colm Fuehr.

• 43:03Andy Greenwald?

  With this shortening.

• 43:04Chris Ryan?

  It's like a great actor.

• 43:05Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, and he's just like, ah, I see she is applying it to her bikini areas. Time to go take another cold shower. The other thing about it is that while he's parenting.

• 43:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:18Andy Greenwald?

  His main mode of parenting is, don't have sex with your boyfriend. Get in bed with me. Just sleep with me.

• 43:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:26Andy Greenwald?

  And then when his wife, ex-wife is like, are you thinking about me? Basically like, hey, Billy Bob, you jerking it today? And he's like,

• 43:35Chris Ryan?

  With your nine fingers?

• 43:37Andy Greenwald?

  With your nine and a half fingers? And he's like, no, I shouldn't because our daughter is in bed with me. And she's like, oh, okay, cool. And then he's like, oh, just postscript. Our son is in the emergency room. And she's like, god damn it. And he's like, gotta go, don't have to listen to your harpy talk anymore, female. And then 24 hours later, she's like, any news about our emergency room bound son?

• 44:04Chris Ryan?

  Wait.

• 44:04Andy Greenwald?

  And he's like, he's gonna make it.

• 44:05Chris Ryan?

  So the reason why,

• 44:06Andy Greenwald?

  It's fucking Cooper.

• 44:07Chris Ryan?

  Great play by Jacob Offlin, it is really, really good. He's really good.

• 44:11Andy Greenwald?

  Lot of good actors.

• 44:11Chris Ryan?

  Cooper is like the prodigal son. He's Billy Bob's son. He was at Texas Tech. He drops out. He wants to become a landman like his dad, but he also wants to get his own piece of the pie. He's like, I want to make it big in the oil business. I want to learn from the ground up.

• 44:24Andy Greenwald?

  Do you know what he says? I don't need to know any more geology, dad.

• 44:28Chris Ryan?

  I'm not gonna teach it.

• 44:29Andy Greenwald?

  I'm not gonna teach it.

• 44:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:32Andy Greenwald?

  Okay, makes sense. It's hard to make a living as an academic.

• 44:36Chris Ryan?

  Hey, you have no control over where you go.

• 44:37Andy Greenwald?

  No control.

• 44:38Chris Ryan?

  Then you get into school and what if not Ron DeSantis says you can't teach this?

• 44:42Andy Greenwald?

  Exactly. Our children can't know about rocks.

• 44:45Chris Ryan?

  Um, so he, this kid, this young man is, joins a roughneck crew and I gotta admit, you know, it's like, I really like surprise myself sometimes. You'd think by this point, I could spot him coming from a mile away. Taylor Sheridan plot twists, but also just like TV tropes. And this entire time, Michael Peña and his brother.

• 45:05Andy Greenwald?

  I can't believe you didn't see this coming.

• 45:06Chris Ryan?

  And his younger, was one of them is, I can't remember how the family is, is divided, but it's basically like an entire family.

• 45:12Andy Greenwald?

  What the show wants you to know is that they're Mexicans.

• 45:13Chris Ryan?

  Yes, and that they.

• 45:14Andy Greenwald?

  That's what the show is communicating.

• 45:16Chris Ryan?

  Are teaching him Spanish and I'm just like, this is beautiful. And then they're like, this is carne asada, have a taco, watch out for that hot sauce. And it's like, I was like, this is deeply moving intergenerational.

• 45:27Andy Greenwald?

  You're like, dummy?

• 45:30Chris Ryan?

  And I was like, why? I wonder how this first episode is gonna end.

• 45:33Andy Greenwald?

  From the minute Michael Peña showed up as the other roughneck.

• 45:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I know.

• 45:37Andy Greenwald?

  But didn't show up in the credits.

• 45:39Chris Ryan?

  This is the same thing that happened with Kyle Chandler in Kingstown.

• 45:41Andy Greenwald?

  I was like, this was.

• 45:43Chris Ryan?

  Where I was like, yeah, man, Kyle Chandler's back on my TV screen.

• 45:46Andy Greenwald?

  This was the most egregious McBane from the Simpsons scene I've ever seen. Where Michael Peña is like, it's important that you know the backstory of these three hombres with you. We all have families whom we love and we work very hard for them. It would be a shame should anything happen to one of us, let alone all three of us. And then at the end of the episode.

• 46:05Chris Ryan?

  They get incinerated, yeah.

• 46:07Andy Greenwald?

  And it was shot?

• 46:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:09Andy Greenwald?

  It was shot like the end of Godfather? It was pretty clear what was coming.

• 46:14Chris Ryan?

  Anyway, uh, that's the end of the first episode. The second episode, we get a little bit more of the other main attraction for the show for me.

• 46:21Andy Greenwald?

  Okay. I did, I did just, okay, I'll, I'll let you, I'll let you cook for a second. Go ahead.

• 46:26Chris Ryan?

  My, my cooking is that the ham is finally ready. The not fucking around crew has checked in for the fucking session.

• 46:34Andy Greenwald?

  Do you think, so you've seen more Sheridan shows than I have. So it does seem like-

• 46:38Chris Ryan?

  I see more Sheridan shows than Taylor Sheridan.

• 46:40Andy Greenwald?

  This is really true. Do you think that, like, so I think part of the appeal, right, is he gets people to do these shows, but their commitments vary. Like, Ally Larder, they just filmed literally on an iPhone, maybe all in one day. Who knows if we'll ever see her IRL.

• 46:53Chris Ryan?

  I will say this.

• 46:54Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 46:55Chris Ryan?

  And I will say this even, even for Ainsley. Is that he can surprise you. And so I think that he will often introduce characters where you're just like, what the fuck? Like, why is this, why did Diane Weest do this? And then you're like, oh, oh, I see now. You know what I mean? Like, eventually, like, he plays the long game sometimes.

• 47:14Andy Greenwald?

  Kind of like Kate Blanchett in episode seven of Disclaimer.

• 47:17Chris Ryan?

  There is a seventh episode? I thought it was only six.

• 47:19Andy Greenwald?

  Did you not watch the finale?

• 47:21Chris Ryan?

  Uh, no, I honestly didn't.

• 47:23Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, there's a seventh, buddy.

• 47:24Chris Ryan?

  I know what happens, though, you know?

• 47:26Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, but you didn't feel it. You didn't-

• 47:27Chris Ryan?

  Uh-

• 47:28Andy Greenwald?

  So, yes.

• 47:29Chris Ryan?

  I did not care for that show, so I did not watch the finale. I knew you had it.

• 47:32Andy Greenwald?

  I had it in the bag. Jon Hamm is on the show.

• 47:36Chris Ryan?

  Yes, and Jon Hamm largely spends two episodes. His name is-

• 47:40Andy Greenwald?

  Monty.

• 47:41Chris Ryan?

  Monty, I believe, Monty Miller.

• 47:43Andy Greenwald?

  I think it's Monty Moneyman, Monty Moneybags.

• 47:46Chris Ryan?

  And, uh-

• 47:47Andy Greenwald?

  Monopoly Man.

• 47:48Chris Ryan?

  He is the head of the oil company, I take it. Um, and what he does is he gets phone calls.

• 47:55Andy Greenwald?

  Yes, he does.

• 47:56Chris Ryan?

  And he says, hold on, I gotta go somewhere quieter.

• 47:59Andy Greenwald?

  Yep.

• 47:59Chris Ryan?

  And he's either at a TCU track meet, or he's at a charity dinner.

• 48:03Andy Greenwald?

  Steakhouse.

• 48:04Chris Ryan?

  Standing in a skyscraper, or he's in a steakhouse.

• 48:06Andy Greenwald?

  He's at his mansion.

• 48:07Chris Ryan?

  He's at his mansion. He basically walks to another part of that building and has a fucking awesome phone call with Billy Bob.

• 48:14Andy Greenwald?

  But Chris, you're really burying the lead. Every step of his walk to someplace quiet is meticulously cataloged. Like it's a Frederick Wiseman documentary.

• 48:26Andy Greenwald?

  Like, the one at the end-

• 48:27Chris Ryan?

  It's like fucking Max Olfu's, he's like, "We gotta get the entire fucking dragon shot."

• 48:31Andy Greenwald?

  We need you to understand that he's in one room of this charity dinner and he has to walk through multiple rooms to get quiet? He walks for so long.

• 48:42Chris Ryan?

  It's, but it's so good. It's so good.

• 48:45Andy Greenwald?

  Was I crazy that when he got the phone call about the explosion?

• 48:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he was watching Demi Moore swim.

• 48:51Andy Greenwald?

  Right, but was I crazy that he then hurled his iPhone into the woods?

• 48:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:56Andy Greenwald?

  So, but minutes later, he has another one, so does he have-

• 48:58Chris Ryan?

  He's Monty Miller, he probably has 15 iPhones at the ready.

• 49:01Andy Greenwald?

  But do you think that those woods are full of outdated iPhones? And like, the bears are using them to like, build rudimentary structures now?

• 49:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, um, that would be really funny.

• 49:14Chris Ryan?

  These bears know how to text.

• 49:16Andy Greenwald?

  But also, just to be clear, the bears have become self-aware. That's where all the texts that say, "Hey, that I've been getting recently," they're all just from the texting bears.

• 49:25Chris Ryan?

  I feel like Act Blue sold my number to like, I don't know what happened. Yeah, because they correspond. It's like, as soon as I started getting like, "Christopher, will you donate $5 to save the world?", it's also been like, a lot of like, "Wanna have dinner?"

• 49:38Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, it's Act Blue, or Work Blue, Go Blue. It's just that, there was the one inconsistency I bumped on was that Monty is like, so upset about the incineration of these men, and then he's like, "Call me as soon as you find out anything happens," and then immediately hurls the phone into the woods. What if Billy Bob called? He had to walk somewhere. Maybe he had to walk in the woods.

• 49:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, um, this, this whole thing is just, I think you, you nailed it when you were like, they have found a perfect marriage between like, writer who can, who can squeeze melodrama out of anything, but giving him such a rich text of the oil industry from top to bottom, from, uh, and this is what he did with Yellowstone, so I do understand the comparison. It's like Yellowstone is everything from the newest of new ranch hands to the like, biggest of big, the governor, the casino it magnates, like, it, he's just really good at doing that spectrum kind of show.

• 50:31Andy Greenwald?

  I mean, I, I gotta be hon- like, there, there, I understand that only he could have pulled the show off, so it is not really useful, it's not just, it's not just a good use of anyone's time to be like, "If only." But there is so much promise and so much richness in this world, in this text, that sometimes I wish there was someone, maybe with a little bit- Different perspective with a voice in the creative room.

• 50:55Chris Ryan?

  Well, like somebody like someone who was worried about environmentalism?

• 50:59Andy Greenwald?

  No, thank you. You look at me, do you just see like an act blue alert? You don't need to see my face anymore? No, the opposite. I really, really like the rapacious morals of this show. And I think it's, I think, I think that's very consistent and interesting. I do not want someone coming in like the lawyer character, you know, and being like, I figured I would be objectified. And this is why I carry my handbag like no human who's ever held a bag before. No, I don't want any like coastal perspective at all. I just want a little more, I mean, the Friday Night Lights thing of like, let's just, let's chill out for a second.

• 51:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:36Andy Greenwald?

  When he goes to deliver the relay race of grief, you know, because he, that's on his plate too, to like, look at these women in the eye and say that all, that the men are never coming home. And look, the women on this show through two episodes do one of two things. They're either grieving or they're greasing. You know, like, that's pretty much it.

• 51:53Chris Ryan?

  Well, but I can't wait. What happens when Ainsley has to grieve?

• 51:56Andy Greenwald?

  Right, right. If she slide off of the church pew because she's covered in crystal.

• 52:00Chris Ryan?

  Paralyzing industry, all a Jason Street, you know, and then he's like, I'm moving.

• 52:06Andy Greenwald?

  Will you take me back? All I can do is snuggle now.

• 52:11Andy Greenwald?

  Is that okay?

• 52:13Andy Greenwald?

  No, I'm just saying that there's, there's just moments. Okay, look, so I can't, I can't pretend I wasn't broken by this show. Okay, I will watch more of this show.

• 52:22Chris Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 52:23Andy Greenwald?

  He got me. But I did have a different insight into it. And it's not just the fact that this show is just nakedly a Michelob Ultra commercial. Or that, you know, as you guys know, I'm a proud member of the ad-supported tier of Paramount. So not only did I watch two hours of the show, they were fully two hours. Most of the commercials were for the American Petroleum Institute.

• 52:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:47Andy Greenwald?

  So the oil industry is fueling the show, literally.

• 52:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but like, I, isn't that like, the hypocrisy of it is like, would be like, for us to be like, well, I can't participate.

• 52:56Andy Greenwald?

  No, I, I, I am, I am part of this culture of decay and capitalism. I'm not pretending I'm above it. What I was appreciating was, wait, let me just tangent briefly. Do you remember that when there was all the talk about, before the streaming wars were effectively settled, that Netflix won, there was some talk about how one of the advantages Disney had was its like deep bench of intellectual property and characters, but also other ways to raise revenue, whether it's, you know, toys, theme parks, cruises. And one thing Netflix had to do, according to the Quants-

• 53:30Chris Ryan?

  Make Squid Game an actual show.

• 53:31Andy Greenwald?

  Yes, or make Squid Game toys. And that's why when you and I are walking the West End in London, there's a Stranger Things stage play, and it's going to come to New York eventually, and they're going to keep trying to build their other revenue streams.

• 53:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, they could build Hawkins if they wanted to and have like a Stranger Things amusement park.

• 53:48Andy Greenwald?

  The reason I bring that up is because Taylor Sheridan seems to understand this-

• 53:52Chris Ryan?

  Very, very much.

• 53:54Andy Greenwald?

  Better than anyone. And I don't think I fully appreciated the extent of his reach, that like, it's not just that he, you know, has created pocket tourist industries in the parts of the country that he films these shows, it's not just that he has a circular, like, orboros of profit where he buys land and ranches and then rents land from his ranches to film his own shows on his ranches and breeds the horses that they ride on Yellowstone. But did he also, I didn't know that he, the beef-

• 54:22Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:23Andy Greenwald?

  That he raises-

• 54:26Chris Ryan?

  At the Four Sixes?

• 54:27Andy Greenwald?

  At the Four Sixes. And there was a big Four Sixes sign on the wall of the bar-

• 54:32Chris Ryan?

  Of the Patch Cafe.

• 54:33Andy Greenwald?

  The Patch Cafe, I saw that.

• 54:34Chris Ryan?

  It was just a great little, like, invention. So it's like having these people constantly be at a bar like that.

• 54:38Andy Greenwald?

  Smart. It's just smart TV construction. But that like, the beef goes to a theme restaurant, basically, for Taylor Sheridan shows that exist in Las Vegas?

• 54:46Chris Ryan?

  Not surprising. I would also say that this is like, much like Yellowstone, you can tell that they, I thought the music was quite lovely in parts of this, like the Andrew Lockington score and-

• 54:57Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, but like, when the three dudes blew up and it sounded like Philip Glass's score for Koya Quanazi, or whatever you say that.

• 55:02Chris Ryan?

  What do you want from life, doc?

• 55:04Andy Greenwald?

  Fucking funny. It's just funny when you see people, not funny, it is legitimately interesting. And I said this even about the Sheridan shows that I don't like. When you fully see an artist untethered.

• 55:16Chris Ryan?

  This is what I'm saying.

• 55:16Andy Greenwald?

  That's why the Megalopolis is interesting.

• 55:19Chris Ryan?

  There are no notes. There are no notes for him. Cause like, it's wild. But like, I would just gonna say that the Landman playlist is already like a thing on Spotify. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's the same way that Yellowstone became like a showcase for country music and it became like, country music stars would guest star on the show and stuff like that. Like I just think it's, it's a fascinating industry unto itself.

• 55:43Andy Greenwald?

  Are you generally, so you, you just like, you like the unfiltered artist. So I mentioned Guided by Voices before, like you like the output now that they're not on a, they haven't been on a label in 20 years and they just released six albums a year.

• 55:53Chris Ryan?

  No, I don't.

• 55:54Andy Greenwald?

  But I mean, like the idea of-

• 55:55Chris Ryan?

  I don't, I don't understand why there's four Taylor Sheridan shows on at the same time.

• 55:59Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, it's kinda crazy.

• 56:00Chris Ryan?

  Um, I don't, I mean, it seems like they could have spread these out. Uh, maybe they don't want to. Also, for what it's worth, and this comes from Paramount, Landman's a massive hit.

• 56:09Andy Greenwald?

  I'm sure. It, it should be.

• 56:11Chris Ryan?

  Five million there, global whatever viewers. Like, I don't know how that works, but like, it seems like it's a big hit.

• 56:16Andy Greenwald?

  I think that it'll be interesting to track this because my feeling is many of the wrong lessons will be taken from the success of the show when they're actually really, really smart lessons to take from the success of the show. But that's generally not how Hollywood reacts.

• 56:32Chris Ryan?

  So what do you think would be the wrong lesson to take from it?

• 56:34Andy Greenwald?

  Well, I think the more, I think-

• 56:35Chris Ryan?

  Make more shows about fossil fuels.

• 56:38Andy Greenwald?

  Also, the kid is just like, I wanna have a career fracking this country. Which is like, okay. You gonna work till you're 31? Good luck, son.

• 56:49Andy Greenwald?

  The rest of us will be over here in Furiosa though.

• 56:53Chris Ryan?

  Water wars.

• 56:54Andy Greenwald?

  No, but like, um- No, I think you agree with this and you're actually, you're better at articulating this than I am. That the takeaway from these shows, these lazy takeaway from the Sheridan universe is that these are jingoistic.

• 57:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:07Andy Greenwald?

  These are like just rigidly right wing shows, which they are not.

• 57:10Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 57:10Andy Greenwald?

  And I think for me, the most interesting thing about the show is the combination of star power and a star part with a part of the country, with a part of American business, industry, a slice of life that we just do not pay attention to. On the coast.

• 57:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:28Andy Greenwald?

  We do not center shows here and that they're, you know, in television's return to 1997 through Science or Magic, we are going to get more procedural cop shows and hospital shows and maybe they'll be like The Pit and maybe The Pit will be good. But we're not done. Like you can make shows with appeal in other places. You just have to be curious about them. And I hope that that is the lesson that is taken away from it.

• 57:53Chris Ryan?

  I also just really, I mean, I think I just found myself completely seduced by like the, the really almost weird way he treats traditional television writing.

• 58:03Andy Greenwald?

  It's so bizarre.

• 58:04Chris Ryan?

  If this was another show, if this was a limited series, it would be like, it would be Billy Bob Thornton pitted against Monty within the first 20 minutes of the series.

• 58:12Andy Greenwald?

  Correct.

• 58:12Chris Ryan?

  We knew that Monty was the big bad of the show that he had to conquer or whatever.

• 58:16Andy Greenwald?

  Which he might be, but not in the way that we...

• 58:18Chris Ryan?

  They had one argument that was like actually pretty unrealistic where he was just like, "You're upset because your friends are dead, but don't ever fucking yell at me because I'm your boss." And it was just a good Billy Bob Thornton, Jon Hamm jousting scene. And if there's 50 more of those over the course of eight or 10 episodes, I'm going to be like a completely satisfied customer of this. And sometimes that's like my relationship to a TV show is just like, I just like watching my stories. It's three, you get like these three plots per episode. I don't need this to be like, will Billy Bob Thornton discover his own identity or whatever over the course of like a series?

• 58:48Andy Greenwald?

  No, and also where are you framing your show?

• 58:50Chris Ryan?

  How many fingers is he gonna lose is a big question.

• 58:52Andy Greenwald?

  He's got left. It is not a show about someone who is going to fix our nation's dependence on natural oil, natural gas.

• 59:00Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 59:01Andy Greenwald?

  It is not a show that is centered in a place or a think tank that is trying to solve the problem. It is not existential. It is someone existing within the template of a world that broadly exists and has plenty drama.

• 59:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:12Andy Greenwald?

  And plenty moving pieces. And I think that's smart. I also think the wrong lesson... Continues to be taken from his shows, which is let's get movie stars to be in all of these things. This show works and sings because of Billy Bob's performance. It's awesome that Jon Hamm is in it. I can't wait to see Andy Garcia doing shit on this show.

• 59:28Chris Ryan?

  Demi Moore presumably will have lines soon.

• 59:30Andy Greenwald?

  But, but it is also important to say that one of the old fashioned TV things that he does well, and sometimes not well, is, is cast faces. Like Mark Colley as the sheriff.

• 59:39Chris Ryan?

  Awesome.

• 59:40Andy Greenwald?

  Who is a, he's a singer songwriter and actor sometimes. And I'm thrilled every time he's on screen. I'm like, oh, that's a guy who lives here. And that's great. And that's sometimes enough. And then, then he casts people like, no offense, like the person who's playing the lawyer who comes in carrying a bag that way. And I'm like, I don't understand what's happening. Have I, have, have I left earth?

• 59:58Chris Ryan?

  What's her name?

• 59:59Andy Greenwald?

  Kayla Wallace as Rebecca Falcone, who I imagine is in the Penguin Extended Universe.

• 1:00:03Chris Ryan?

  I mean, do you think that she's the hangman?

• 1:00:06Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, is that, is that another character from Penguin?

• 1:00:10Chris Ryan?

  No, it's who Sofia Falcone is accused of being in the Penguin.

• 1:00:13Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, I just, I just caught you. You secret Penguin watcher.

• 1:00:17Chris Ryan?

  I definitely did the work. What are you talking about?

• 1:00:20Andy Greenwald?

  You didn't do the work on disclaimer. I fucking slog through that voiceover. Remember, remember what you said on this podcast? You know, it just seems like the kind of show we'll revisit. I can't wait to talk about the finale.

• 1:00:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that was in England. Sorry.

• 1:00:32Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, and you're a double A watching Penguin. Not for this podcast. Like, Sean, should we cover the Penguin on Big Picture? Should we rename it The Big Penguin?

• 1:00:42Chris Ryan?

  Big Penguin would do numbers.

• 1:00:43Andy Greenwald?

  I know, but we are committed to not doing numbers. So far in this podcast, we've come out against-

• 1:00:49Chris Ryan?

  If we fucking full on become a Taylor Sheridan podcast, I wonder how well we would do.

• 1:00:52Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, I bet you do.

• 1:00:53Chris Ryan?

  I'm like, Kaya's on Indeed right now.

• 1:00:56Andy Greenwald?

  No, Kaya's-

• 1:00:59Chris Ryan?

  Looking up jobs at NPR. Just like, drill, baby, drill.

• 1:01:03Andy Greenwald?

  I think, I think, I think, I think Kaya would, Kaya, you, you would produce that podcast.

• 1:01:08Chris Ryan?

  Taylor Talk?

• 1:01:09Andy Greenwald?

  I would not be on it.

• 1:01:10Speaker 04

  Honestly, I feel like three years from now, there'll be like a Taylor Sheridan reality show.

• 1:01:16Andy Greenwald?

  On the 460s.

• 1:01:17Chris Ryan?

  Will I be in it?

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  If you-

• 1:01:19Andy Greenwald?

  Are you crying right now when you said that? Your voice cracked.

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  I would have put like a Real Housewives of Texas past him. So whatever.

• 1:01:28Chris Ryan?

  I'm along for the ride. I would love to just get my ass kicked on a Taylor Sheridan show at one point, you know? I would love to be like a balding glasses wearing liberal.

• 1:01:40Andy Greenwald?

  Really? Are you there to collect signatures for Act Blue? No, no, you're there. You're there to collect signatures to put Beto back on a ballot.

• 1:01:47Chris Ryan?

  We can do it.

• 1:01:49Andy Greenwald?

  Third time's the charm.

• 1:01:51Chris Ryan?

  Oh, fuck. All right. Well, it's been a pleasure. Next week, obviously Thanksgiving week, we're gonna do a show on Monday, a mailbag, and then we'll do a little bit. Uh, maybe I'll hit lioness, maybe I'll hit a couple of other things at the top with Kaya.

• 1:02:02Andy Greenwald?

  Maybe we'll have time to watch the new Mike Schur show.

• 1:02:05Chris Ryan?

  Oh, exactly. That would be lovely.

• 1:02:07Andy Greenwald?

  The man on the inside, I believe it's called.

• 1:02:09Chris Ryan?

  And then Thanksgiving and then back to sort of quasi regular scheduled programming.

• 1:02:13Andy Greenwald?

  There's a lot of stuff.

• 1:02:14Chris Ryan?

  There's a ton of stuff. Agency, Black Doves, like you met the aforementioned man on the inside.

• 1:02:19Andy Greenwald?

  Squid Game Get Millie Black?

• 1:02:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. You almost made it sound like that was one show. Squid Game.

• 1:02:24Andy Greenwald?

  Squid Game Good Get Millie Black.

• 1:02:28Andy Greenwald?

  Well, we were talking about how like Inside the NBA is on ESPN, like all these shows could cross over.

• 1:02:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that'd be cool.

• 1:02:33Andy Greenwald?

  Why not?

• 1:02:33Chris Ryan?

  That'd be cool. Do you think Parks and Rec should cross over on the landman?

• 1:02:37Andy Greenwald?

  Do you think Dune Prophecy should cross over into your television?

• 1:02:41Chris Ryan?

  Are you just like, because you can't stand the fact that I haven't watched Dune Prophecy yet? I was in England.

• 1:02:46Andy Greenwald?

  I just, listen, I've known you for a long time, and for the last three years, honestly, you won't shut up about who founded the Bene Gesserit. You're constantly like, I see the outcome of this 10,000 year push to genetically engineer a space messiah. But who started the push?

• 1:03:03Chris Ryan?

  I would rather watch Billy Bob Thornton drink Michelob, frankly.

• 1:03:06Andy Greenwald?

  Me too. He drinks, have you ever consumed a beer in one, the way he does after he's?

• 1:03:14Chris Ryan?

  I could, but I probably wouldn't drive a truck immediately after doing that. When he gets his fucking, and he hammers his own finger off to turn that valve off.

• 1:03:21Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:22Chris Ryan?

  And then he's just like, I need a cigarette and a Dr. Pepper. And then he's like, take me to the hospital.

• 1:03:26Andy Greenwald?

  Now I want to go to the hospital?

• 1:03:29Chris Ryan?

  I don't like Dr. Pepper that much.

• 1:03:31Andy Greenwald?

  I don't either, but didn't it make it sound delicious?

• 1:03:33Chris Ryan?

  Kaya, thanks. Uh, listeners, thank you.

• 1:03:36Andy Greenwald?

  America, thank you.

• 1:03:37Chris Ryan?

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