We hear pitches on the best vibe-coded apps

Welcome to the Bear Lair!* (No, it’s nothing like that other show.) As we continue to explore the world of AI tools and vibe coding, we invited a few enterprising Vergecast fans to share their projects — and we invited The Verge’s Hayden Field to judge them with us. We’ll see what people are working on, and whether any of them will make us fabulously wealthy.*We came up with this name before we became aware that someone else thought of it first... no relation to the APTNtv show Bears' Lair! Further reading: ⁠Google admits not every Android app runs great on Intel Googlebooks⁠ ⁠The Pixel 10A now costs $100 more.⁠ ⁠Samsung raised prices on the Galaxy S26 by $100⁠ ⁠Huawei says RAMageddon has increased its smartphone costs by $200.⁠ ⁠2GB Raspberry Pis are getting pricier.⁠ ⁠Nvidia’s Shield TV Pro just got a $100 price hike⁠ ⁠Star Wars: Galactic Racer is my childhood podracing dream come true⁠ Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed. We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to [email protected] or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  Hello and welcome to The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of dubious investments. I'm your friend David Pierce and today on the show, we're doing a fun new thing. So we've talked a lot about vibe coding on this show over the last several months. I think it's one of the biggest trends in technology right now. I think it's funny and silly to play with myself as somebody who is frankly, a coding novice. I can code you like the heck out of an HTML website and that's kind of it. But I also think there is something important about the first way in which AI has really found product market fit. We've talked about it, we've done experiments, but then Travis Larchuk, our producer, had an idea, which is why don't we see who else in the world, which Vergecast viewers, which Vergecast listeners,

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  which of the people in our orbit have been making cool stuff? And who can come to us with the very best idea that we are going to invest all of our fake money in? If you're thinking this sounds a little bit like Shark Tank, let me tell you, you're dead wrong. This is nothing like Shark Tank. It might be a lot like Shark Tank. Anyway, we have really fun stuff coming up. We spent a bunch of time with a bunch of people. Thank you to everybody who came on. I'm really excited for you to hear this one. And we have some competition coming up. We're going to get right into that. But first, here's everything else happening on The Verge today.

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  All right, let's get to vibe coding. The Verge's Senior AI Reporter Hayden Field is here. Hi Hayden.

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  Hey.

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  Hayden, do you have any idea what we're in for right now? Can I, should I prepare you for this thing that is coming?

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  Please prepare me. I mean, all I know is the name and it sounds ominous, Bear Lair. Lay it on me, what's going on?

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  So the show is called Bear Lair. It has no resemblance to any other show that anyone has ever made or seen on television. It's very important that you know that. This is a unique new concept that we've created. And basically the idea is you and I in this situation, I suppose, are we're the bears. And we each have, I believe it's a billion dollars in investment capital at our disposal.

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  Let's cash out right now.

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  I invested no one, give me the cash, we're going to go. It's a very short episode. A bunch of people are going to come on and they're going to pitch us on the things that they've been building. And we, I think of this as sort of a combination of Shark Tank and The Voice, where we're going to be sort of in on everybody, but you can be in at whatever level you'd like to be and we're going to bid against each other. And whoever, whoever gets the most investment wins. So we're going to get pitches from people. We're going to decide what we like. We're going to be ruthlessly cruel to all of the ideas that we don't like. And then we're going to get into it. Let's bring in Travis, our producer and the true hero of Bear Lair. Travis, this is, this is your baby. Walk us through it.

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  What are we, what are we doing here?

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  Hello, bears. As David has described, you each have $1 billion to invest in a number of vibe-coded projects that our lovely, brilliant listeners have taken time out of their days to share with you. They are across the world. Literally two continents worth of listeners are represented here today. And just for, for record-keeping, $1 billion is 1,000 million. Please only bid in increments of $1 million. Please do not just bid $1. Thank you. All right, let's get this show on the road. So each, each of our listeners are going to give you a little two-minute elevator pitch

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  and then we will open things up for Q and A. And then you may bid as much of your fake money as you want. Our first listener joins us from Washington DC. This is John.

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  Bears. I am so, hi.

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  Hi, John.

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  Hi. So I have this, I'm going to step back. So this is, this is a Skylight, which I don't know if you guys have ever, you're a dad, David. So this is like a thing that normally hangs on your wall and it's supposed to be able to, like, you know, you're planning your kids' like, you know, appointments, that kind of thing. And it's basically just an Android tablet without a battery and plugs into the wall. And my wife bought this and I did not like it very much. I did not think it worked very well. So through the use of AI, I got it working. And obviously it's not working perfectly well, but if we go here, I can show you, you know, there's a dashboard. I can actually control the lights in my home.

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  And my favorite little bit is I can actually like do a grocery list app. And once I've done it, it actually comes up as a little receipt. And I've made this specifically because I needed like, you know, I'm at the fridge and I, or my wife usually is at the fridge. She needs to, you know, send something to me to be like, can you please pick this up? Rather than having one running grocery list, I like getting them as tickets. And so now I get these Telegram messages and they go into Tic Tic. But what's really cool about it is it's actually like completely adaptable because this is all just a web interface on the back. And so I can actually like go into Claude, as it were, or whatever, and say, hey, I want an app that does this. I want an app that tells me where the metro is. I want an app that shows me, you know, what the Potomac is doing right now.

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  I want an app that sets timers and, you know, plugs into Home Assistant. So, you know, I want an app that, for instance, like I've plugged my car into Home Assistant. So I want a tab where I can press a button and it turns on the climate control and tells me how long it'll be to go to work. And if I'm running late, then like, you know, can I get a Lime bike or something else instead? I think it's really cool that it's like, it isn't anything. It's just a blank slate and, you know, through just talking to it and spending a lot of money on tokens, you can get it to do whatever you want. And that's what I really enjoyed about it.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  I have two questions. This tablet looks enormous. Is it, is it in fact enormous? I love an enormous oversized tablet.

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  Yeah, and it actually hangs on your wall. So it's got, you know, mounting points on the back and you can actually, so it looks just like a picture and you can upload whatever photo you want. And it statically just has a picture frame and you tap it and then it, you know, goes to your dashboard.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Where, where do you imagine, I'm going to put this in my house. Does this, are we going to, are we going to stick this next to the fridge on the wall? Is this the idea?

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  Yeah, I mean, that's literally where I have it. So, I mean, it's, it's actually like, ah, the fridge is here and this is behind the fridge. And so, you know, when my wife opens it up and she's like, there is no, there are no grapes in the house and what the hell is going on here? And she can just angrily be like, it actually says like, who's ordering? You know, so my wife can go and be like, you know, grapes, and then type it in and then I'll get a text being like, where the hell are the grapes?

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  So this already existed, right? And you just vibe coded and have to make it work way better. Is that right? Like the Skylight, I mean?

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  Okay.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  It's just Android, it's just a really old crappy Android tablet.

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  Okay, got it. And then here's my other question. When you do these notes, like your grocery list and stuff, can you access it on a phone also? Or is it only, is all this stuff only accessible through the tablet on the wall? Like, you know, if she adds like grapes to the grocery list on there, is it going to appear? Or can you make it appear like on your phone notes or, you know, whatever as well? Or only accessible on the wall?

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  Well, here's the really cool thing actually that I love about this. And I feel David, David might really like this. If I use Tic Tic and my wife uses Trello. If I add something for her, it goes to Trello. If she adds something for me, it goes to Tic Tic. And as, if you're familiar with Tic Tic, it live and Trello, they live in the cloud, it lives absolutely everywhere. And so I get it on my watch, I get it wherever. And because all this does, actually Tic Tic has a really good MCP. So it has an MCP server, there's like a Tic Tic MCP server. And so like, you know, on the backend, there's like a Claude server running on a, it's actually running on a broken, headless MacBook Air that I removed the screen from. And so it just pushes that into the cloud. And so I can access it from anywhere.

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  But that's what I thought was really cool about it actually is this solved a really specific problem, which is Skylight really wants you locked into this app, right? And into this ecosystem that doesn't talk to anything. Whereas this, I like literally wiped it, like there's no Skylight on this at all anymore. This is just, basically just a web, a webpage that's running on the server. So it also, what's nice is it doesn't matter how slow this particular tablet is. And in fact, I have an accessory for it, which is an old like Kindle Fire, Amazon Fire 6-inch, like, but it's like literally 10 years old. And I noticed it's got a, it's a nice small screen, really high DPI. And this- Can run a server that then goes on to that.

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  And by kind of turning it into a kiosk, I can actually tap it and hang it on my wall and control like lights and stuff in the house. So, you know, it's really adaptable.

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  Okay, I'm in on this and I'll tell you why. For one very specific reason, because my wife and I have been together for 13 years and I have never been able to convince her to keep a shopping list, ever. Uh, I have tried, I have tried dedicated apps. I have tried note taking apps. I have tried a shared Google document. Cannot make the woman keep a shopping list. She's just not interested. Her shopping list is to sort of wander past me and announce the things that we need and then I have to remember them. Uh, this, I think, gives me a real fighting chance at creating a shared shopping list. And so for that reason, I, I'm gonna, Hayden, I'm gonna start the bidding here at $25 million.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Okay, nice. I mean, we have a billion, so I was gonna go a little higher.

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  Um, okay.

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  I, I feel like, yeah, I mean, this is exciting to me. I think anything that, uh, anything where the tech is kind of integrated into your home and I, I don't use like Notion or anything like that, but if I would if it were on my wall, you know what I mean? So this is something that I think like everyone in the family can kind of use, especially since it's ported over to your personal device and the type of systems you like. So yeah, I'll go up to like 100 million.

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  Hayden, you can have it at 100. I thought I was gonna get it cheaper than this. 100, 100 is, is good, but it's steep. You, you can have it.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  I should have gone in at less. Oh, well.

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  John, thank you so much.

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  Thank you, John.

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  Hayden is down to a paltry $900 million.

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  Oh my God, dude.

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  All right. Next up is Sarah, joining us from Chicago, Illinois.

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  Hi David, hi Hayden.

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  Welcome. Thank you for being here.

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  Yeah, thank you for having me.

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  What do you have for us?

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  So, um, I'm a parent of a two-year-old and for me, the hardest part of parenting is like the cognitive load. It's the million things you have to remember. It's the 200 decisions you make every single day. And for me, where it really hit was 9:00 PM, when I was trying to pack my son's lunch for daycare the next day, trying to remember what my pediatrician told me, what foods my son's been eating that he actually likes, whether or not I've served him something before. And at the end of it, I, I don't actually know what's in my fridge. So I created this app. It's a combination meal tracker logger and it helps me keep track of what's in my pantry as well as what my son has been eating. So it works like this. I go to the grocery store and then I come home from the grocery store and I toggle over to my pantry app and I tell it what kinds of things I just bought.

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  Today I just bought snap peas and I bought him some apples and some other things, right? And I can import it into my pantry, which keeps track of what's available to me as well as whether or not my son likes it. When I decide to serve him a meal, um, I can go to the planner tab, which has all of his meals for the day. I can either do this ahead of time if I'm trying to figure out what I'm gonna do for the week, or what more often happens for me is after he's eaten a meal, I'm like, oh yeah, this is what he ate today. So I think today at lunch, he had something like, um, uh, grapes. And then, uh, you know, he had some meatballs on producer, right? And I can add those to his lunch.

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  After he's done eating, then when I go back to the main tab, it will ask me how his meal was and I can tell it how much of that meal that he ate that particular day. So today I know at breakfast, he ate all of his yogurt, he ate all his apples and he had some oats. I can also make a note if I'm running low on something or if I run out on something which is useful for me later. Um, anytime something is low or out, it goes into a shopping list that I can either look at directly through the app or I can copy and paste into another app. And then for me, the most important thing in terms of trying to keep track of like whether I'm giving him a variety of foods. In the planner section, there's a weekly tab, which lets me look at the entire week and see very quickly, what have I been serving him? Have I been giving him a variety of things or have I given him chicken nuggets every

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  single day the last week?

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  And so my, my question for you, Sarah, is, is, can you think of a way that we might be able to connect this even more closely to shopping? Like what, what I want here is a way to basically track all this stuff and then go to the grocery store and have it sort of immediately pop up a thing that's like, here's all the stuff you definitely need to buy because you're kind of out of it. But also here, here are some other ideas of food that you might like, or that they might like. Like I, I'm, I'm looking for the next turn here is like, yes, David, your son only eats blueberry waffles. Have you considered strawberry waffles? I don't know. Is there, do you think we can make a grocery store turn here? This is how we make our Instacart money and really take this thing to the next level, Sarah. What do you think?

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  I think that's a fabulous idea. So I'll say, first of all, there's already a shopping tab, which has things broken out by section. So when you run low or out, I do think the next step would be trying to integrate this with something that can suggest things. And the nice thing is, um, there's a lot of work already been done out there that said, if your kid likes this very basic thing, here's how to slowly graduate them to something that's maybe more adult. So you go from chicken nuggets to a slightly different brand of chicken nuggets, to shredded chicken, to like a chicken breast with a dill sauce or something on it. So I think we could integrate that in to say, hey, if your kid regularly eats or likes this kind of thing, here's the next step up to get them to move towards what we might call a more adult palate.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  I like this. I'm also assuming you mostly do this on your phone, that this is like a primarily mobile experience, yeah?

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  It is mostly a mobile experience, although I've set it up so that you can, um, push the data to sort of a central place and then sync it across devices. So actually, when I enter my, uh, shopping list or that, or when I come home from the grocery store and I enter my foods, I usually do that on my computer and then sync it to the cloud. That also lets you sync across devices if both parents are responsible for meal prep or, or grocery shopping or anything like that.

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  Got it.

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  Got it. Okay, here's my question. Yes, I like, I kind of want this for myself, honestly, because I had Super Burrito, which is my favorite burrito shop, every day for a week last month. And then I was like, I've gotta, gotta take a bird's eye view of what I'm eating. So anyway, if I were a parent, absolutely, I'd be using this. Here's my question. Do you think it's possible to, yeah, incorporate more of a suggestion mode on, okay, let's say you're looking at the weekly view and you realize, okay, you know, we've got a few food groups covered, but you know, we're, we're really lacking two other ones. Are there, I would love to see like a suggestion mode of, oh, here are two types of things you could be serving, not even the graduating thing, but just this is what you could be

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  serving, um, you know, that you may not be thinking of. Or based on what's in your pantry, here are some other things you could be making that would like, you know, hit those other food groups. Do you think that would be easy to do?

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  I think it would be relatively simple. I think it's just a matter of connecting the app with an API key to something like Claude or, uh, ChatGPT and then giving it that, that underlying instruction to say, hey, on this particular window, this is where I want you to generate these kinds of instructions. I think that would be pretty simple to do.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Hayden, you get to bid first on this one.

• 18:41Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm gonna, I'm, I learned my lesson here. I'm gonna start the bidding at 25 million.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go up to 50 million. I want this one. This one, this will work in my life immediately.

• 18:55Speaker 03

  I think.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  I will not be able to convince my wife to use this. I'm realizing this now as I go. This will be a David-only experience, but I want it anyway.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go with, uh, 60 million because yeah, I think that like, one, this is useful for kids, but also like I would use this for myself, so.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go 75.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  80.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Shit.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  These increments are bonkers. You have a billion dollars.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, but there's a lot left. I'll go, I'll go 100. I'm either gonna bleed you dry or I'm gonna win.

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  If I knew how many were loved, I would be like, it's, it's scary not knowing. Um, okay, I'm gonna do honestly, like 115. Like I believe in this one, you know? It's, it's, it's also the cognitive load. Like this is, if I had kids, I feel like I'd be using this every meal because it just, I'm keeping track of too many things.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  All right, Hayden, you can have it. I'm, I'm starting to worry I'm gonna, I'm gonna end up playing myself on this one, but you, you can have it. 115 is yours. Sarah, thank you. Congratulations on your newfound millions.

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  Thank you so much.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  Thank you, Sarah. Enjoy all that money. Bye. So just to recap, recap where we're at, David has so far not acquired any projects. Uh, Hayden is down to a mere $785 million and she has the, uh, John's tablet from which you can request groceries and also Sarah's, uh, child meal tracker.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Starting to get nervous. I should have bid higher on that second one.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  All right, coming up next, we have Eddie from New Jersey.

• 20:27Speaker 06

  Hey, how's it going, David? How's it going, Hayden?

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  Welcome. Thank you for being here.

• 20:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, so, uh, I don't really, I guess my, I don't have so much as a front-end app as much as like a backend tool for podcasting, media management, that kind of thing. So.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Something we're interested in.

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  Yeah, so I, I manage most of the media at my church. Um, and so I have like the whole archive. Um, and every once in a while I get a question that's like, oh, you remember when the pastor talked about this? And I'm like, I honestly, I vaguely remember that, but that may have been like three or four years ago. So I started working on this tool last winter where I could basically summarize and pump all this data into, uh, into a Gemini notebook and then have it search for me. And so the tool is pretty crude, but I can, uh, I can just share my screen here and show you, uh, sort of the workflow that I have. Yeah, so this is just a, um, uh, a command line interface. Uh, it's really just a Python script that I had Gemini vibe code for me.

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  And all you really do is, uh, you put all of the M3 files for whatever you want to art, um, put into this, uh, in a folder with this script and you run it. Uh, it uses Gemini API key, so you need to make your own API key. And then it loads a whisper model and transcribes each MP3 file sort of one at a time. So it's going through this sermon called understanding above knowledge and it'll just go through and it'll, you know, it kind of keeps you updated that it's not frozen as it goes by. And it takes a little while on my laptop, but on my desktop, it's a little bit faster. And if you're running a GPU, it'll be even faster. But you can load up as many as you want. Just let it run overnight. And then what it does, once it has the transcript

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  is it'll, it'll take small chunks of it and send it to, I just use the, one of the free models that Cool Cloud offers. And so chunks it into about 10 different parts to keep the context window manageable. And then it summarizes each of those sections. So it kind of gets rid of a lot of that transcript and repeated sentences and stuff like that. And at the end, it gives you sort of a little summary for each one. It just gives you how many times it's sent it to the cloud and does some hallucination checks to make sure it's not like totally making stuff up. Cause that was happening earlier. Like it was worse six months ago when I was doing this, but it seems to be better now. And then what you get out of it is just this, basically this giant markdown file. So this is the

• 22:54Speaker 06

  sermon database for my church for the year of 2025. And so it's got all roughly 50 sermons in there. And it's just the title, the date, and then the summary. And then I put all of these markdown files into a Gemini notebook. And this is shared with most of the people at my church and they can just go in and they can chat with this thing. I hope none of them use it for pastoral advice, but I give like an example prompt here. Like we can just say like, I'm looking for a sermon about how to make important life decisions. And it'll go through and it'll search through all of these four years of sermons that I have in here and it'll, it'll pull out specific ones that you can then go find on our Podbean

• 23:35Speaker 06

  or on our Apple Podcasts and stuff. And so I, you know, for this audience, I think for me, what's most relevant is that, you know, sometimes Neelai likes to just like drop these like random Easter eggs. And I've listened to the show for like four or five years and sometimes I still have no idea what he's talking about. So I think it would be really nice to just be like, yo, what, what, what is Neelai talking about? And he's always like, the OGs will know. And I'm like, now I can pretend to be an OG, you know?

• 24:00Speaker 01

  If it makes you feel any better, I often don't know what he's talking about either. And I've been hosting the show for a long time. There are a lot of deep Vergecast cuts that were like a thing one person said on one episode in 2012. And they're like, you remember? And it's like, no, no, no one remembers. But now we could remember.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  If it is, it seems like since it's summarizing each part, it's not like, you know, you can't search transcripts. So what if it was a quick like Easter egg that someone dropped in? Would that even make it into the summary? As in, would that show up if you were searching for like, oh, David made an inside joke about like shag rugs, you know, when was that? Do you think that would make it into the summary and be searchable? Or probably not? Cause it's not like a high level takeaway?

• 24:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, it, it really depends. So it probably won't. Although it depends on how long they talked about it. So I've like, I've, I've tried searching things based on like anecdotes. Cause you know, sometimes you tell a story in the middle of a sermon to like show a point and like it will pick up on that stuff, even if it's a short story. But yeah, like one liners, it might not pick up on that. Yeah.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  How do you think about the difference between this and like a granola style meeting recorder, right? Like every time we open Google Meet now, it's like, do you want Gemini to record this and send you action items? And I'm always like, no, no, thank you, Gemini. But this idea of being able to find through an archive of stuff is very useful. Do you think, is there some cross pollination there? Are we going to have a B to B strategy where we just record everybody's meetings?

• 25:31Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, I, I think like, I, I kind of do this manually moving like going backwards, but I think moving forward, it would be nice to either have it automated from our YouTube stream, or even like when we upload something to, we use Podbean as our RSS host. Like if Podbean even just like added this where we, or here, you guys bought it, made it, sold it to them. And they just added this to, to their website where you could, you could go to your favorite podcast and you, there would just be a search bar right there.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  You've already figured out the exit for our podcast, for our product. This is amazing.

• 26:04Speaker 06

  Yeah. So I'm, I'm trying to, I, my goal is to get this up and running in Notebook LM and then see if the website team wants to embed it into the website. Cause we have like a webpage with our podcasts there. And that would be a good spot to have it. But, you know, with a big disclaimer to, you know, not ask for advice, but just to use it to look for past recordings. Yeah.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  So I have spent a lot of time looking for a tool that does almost exactly this thing that you just described, which is like, as, as a reporter, I spend a lot of time talking to people about a lot of things. And I'm constantly like, oh, I was just talking to somebody about this thing. And sometimes that was a week ago, and sometimes it was six years ago. And going through, I have like full text search in a transcription app that I use. And that's sort of useful. But just to be like, when was I talking about this thing with this person? Would be hugely useful. And as somebody who like, I record a lot of things because we're doing interviews all the time. This is sort of exactly useful

• 27:03Speaker 01

  to me professionally. And thus I, I want this very badly. Hayden, Hayden, you, you can tell me how you feel, but I'm just, I'm going to bid a hundred million dollars on this right now.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  This needs to exist in my day to day workflow, starting tomorrow.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Okay. I love that. I mean, I think it's super useful and I would use it, but I think from our conversations lately, David, this is so useful to you that I'm going to let you have it. Like truly, I was going to do like, start at like 75 million, but you go for, you need this.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  I legitimately desperately need this. As, as everyone who works with me can attest, I have a lot of information, a lot of places, and I can't find anything anywhere. This feels like it will neatly solve a problem for me. I am going to need you to build me a front end though. Because I can't, I can't run this whole thing in, in the terminal or in PowerShell. It'll just, it'll, I, I will break it in ways that I am not able to solve. So you're going to need to take all of this money that I'm giving you and you're going to have to build me a mobile app. But I think we can make this work.

• 28:05Speaker 06

  All right. Yeah. That'll work.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  I love that. Congratulations on the 100 million dollars.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Huge for you.

• 28:10Speaker 06

  Thank you. Yes.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  This is great. Thank you, Eddie. We have a few more folks left. So let's go to Simon, who is joining us from the United Kingdom.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Simon, I hope you've come up with something unbelievably weird that no one would have ever thought of.

• 28:25Speaker 07

  I think I have, actually.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  Welcome.

• 28:28Speaker 07

  Yeah. I, I think I'm, I'm kind of one of that generation of perhaps older men who kind of feel strangely empowered by vibe coding to, to make weird shit. And so, so I've kind of gone all in. I'm, I'm going to ask you guys a question and it's, and it's, and it's kind of relevant to the thing that I've made is imagine that we all went to a party and then I said, hey, send me the photographs from the party. David, how would you do it?

• 28:56Speaker 01

  I would, well, the honest answer is I would forget and never do it.

• 29:00Speaker 07

  Okay, cool.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  But the, the, I would, I would probably text you a bunch of photos. Or, or worst case, we're getting a shared album in like Apple Photos, which I think is no one's idea of a good time, but is probably what we would resort to.

• 29:18Speaker 07

  Yeah. Hayden, what about you?

• 29:19Speaker 03

  For, this is like my hell. So I'm really glad you asked. It's something that affects me every couple of days. It is my biggest, like I think about this way too much. Okay. So here's exactly what I would do. I would not create a shared album because the other day I had to spend five hours troubleshooting a shared album for my bachelorette party. So no, instead I would do less than 20 photos per text, because if you do more than 20, it creates an iCloud link and the person can't even access it for like six hours. So I would divide the photos into less than 20 increments and send each one to you. And I also like to send people all the photos because maybe they think they like one that I, I wouldn't send. So yeah, I basically, it's, it's a horrible situation either way.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Hayden, you're just texting people 19 photos at a time?

• 30:06Speaker 03

  Yes. I mean, what, I'm a girl.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  That's horrible.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  If I'm taking pictures of my friend, you better believe I'm taking like 40 pictures, not just one.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 30:15Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  All right, Simon, you have a willing audience. Let's hear it.

• 30:18Speaker 07

  So what you need, what you need is, is this. You need gather in. Okay. And I'm hoping that I'm going to share my screen. There it is. It's sharing. I'm a celebrant. I'm a humanist celebrant. So I conduct funerals for the, for the godless and the factless. And I've noticed that a lot of families really like to gather photographs of the deceased after, you know, after somebody's died and they want to get a load of pictures together because they maybe want to do a slideshow or create a memorial book. And as you have just pointed out, it's a bit of a pain in the ass. I'm going to WhatsApp them to you. I'm going to put them in my iCloud. I'm going to Dropbox them to you. Oh, I'll give you access to my Google Pictures. It's all a nightmare, especially when somebody's kind of grieving and they've got a, they've got a whole load of things that they need to

• 31:03Speaker 07

  sort out. The last thing they need to do is sort out. So that, so I created gathering and I've built it completely with vibe code. Um, uh, uh, using Claude and uh, it's the backend is, is, is fires, firebase. Um, none of which I had any idea before, like I, I used to build websites with Dreamweaver in the nineties. You know, I mean, I could do a little bit of front end HTML and that was, that was it. You know, the idea of building a full stack thing was kind of completely beyond me. This was, this was built of an idea because there was a need. Uh, I'm going to open it up here if I go to login. So, um, this is actually live, right? So there's a couple of, there's a couple of, I, I kind of created it and people went, oh, that's a good idea.

• 31:48Speaker 07

  So for example, here's, here is one. Uh, in fact, let's start a new gathering. So I can make a, uh, let's, let's do one about John, uh, Jack. Uh, we go Jack, he was born in nineteen forty-five and he died in two thousand and twenty-five. And he was great. So we'll create a picture, but we'll do that.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Love Jack.

• 32:11Speaker 07

  We'll, yeah, he's great. It's keeping it simple and keeping it simple. We're going to choose a banner color. We could add a picture of Jack, but we'll skip that for now. We'll leave it live for sixty days. Cause what I don't want this to be is a, is a kind of a repository of photos. I want this to be a place where you gather pictures and then you do something with them. So we create the gathering and then here's Jack. This is what people would share. So you basically just email people a link or you send them a QR code in whatever, you know, you can share it via email, via WhatsApp, whatever. And so what people will see is like that. Can you see that? Okay. Yeah, you got it. So people will see that they can add photos.

• 32:55Speaker 07

  They, if they're on their phone and they've got this on their, let desktop, they can just click on the URL and, and upload it from their device.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  So is the idea to make something sort of public? I'm, I'm, I'm imagining, you know, you, you have obituary pages which are public. Are the, these are designed to be sort of for the people for whom they are shared. Is that right?

• 33:14Speaker 07

  There, there's nothing public about it. It is literally a simple way of people gathering in photographs of a deceased person. Now, it was built for the deceased, but subsequently people have said, oh, I could do that for my wedding or I could do that for this party. I went to all this.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Hayden's bachelor party.

• 33:28Speaker 07

  Hayden's bachelor party, I'll build you, I can, I'll just, I'll get Claude to, to run you up a, a, a version of Hayden for your bachelor party. So, uh, yeah, so, so that was the idea. Um, and so, yeah, people can just gather the photographs. It's live for thirty days. They can download them.

• 33:47Speaker 07

  Uh, on the, on the upload bit, there's a little bit of, um, kind of, is this a public photograph or is it a private photograph? I, I've got some pictures of, you know, weird uncle John doing some strange things. You might like to see these pictures, but I don't really want them to be made public. So you can mark a picture as being something that you wouldn't want. So it's absolutely got kind of privacy at center. It's for people who want to collect photos and make it as simple as possible for their mates.

• 34:13Speaker 03

  Got it. Yeah. I mean, this is really, I think I could see this being, I can see it being really useful for what you made it for, because I have had to do this for multiple people. Um, even for a friend's father, for example, I was the photo gatherer and it was very annoying.

• 34:27Speaker 07

  It's a nuisance.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  But of course I was happy to do it, but it took a very long time. And so what I do want to know is how you download photos from this is, does it allow batch download? And you can save them, for example, to your camera roll?

• 34:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, you select them, you select them all and download them as a zip file.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  Okay, you start the bidding, David.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Two hundred. This is the easiest business we've found yet. This is the one that pays off all the other investments. The other ones are like great, useful for me. This is the one we're going to turn into. This one's getting into Y Combinator like in three months. You know what I mean?

• 35:00Speaker 03

  I'm going to say two fifteen.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Two fifty, I want this one.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  Okay, you can have it.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  Bye, amazing.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  We did it, Simon, we're going to be billionaires.

• 35:13Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  I'm already a billionaire, I should say, but now we're both going to be billionaires.

• 35:17Speaker 07

  That's great news. Thank you so much.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  All right, fantastic. Thank you, Simon.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  Thanks, Simon.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Thanks, Simon. Bye.

• 35:26Speaker 00

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• 36:10Speaker 01

  Our next listener joins us from Illinois, it's Meals.

• 36:14Speaker 08

  Hey, how's it going?

• 36:16Speaker 01

  Thank you so much for being here.

• 36:18Speaker 08

  I'm so excited to be here.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  What do you have for us?

• 36:21Speaker 08

  Um, so I am going to show you a pain frame. This is a basic pain tracking app that I have created, uh, to make pain tracking, uh, for my own purposes and some of the loved ones in my life pain free. Uh, you don't have to hold on to that information anymore. I found that I would end up on like the doctor Google rabbit hole. And over time I found out that like the severe stuff generally isn't the case, but like this kind of chronic pattern I would miss. And then by the time I got to a doctor's appointment and like five weeks or whenever they scheduled out, I would totally forget like the last, you know, five weeks of, uh, what I've been going through. I also found that a lot of the options in the app store had like a lot of pop-ups, a lot of ads, a lot of unnecessary features that I didn't really want to deal with.

• 37:06Speaker 08

  I just wanted to be able to quickly log my pain and then be able to pull it up for my doctor. One of my other requirements was that it could work on any device, uh, because I have different people in my family, iOS, Android. And I also wanted to be able to use it on my e-reader. So I have that, uh, it works on my e-reader as well. All pain frame is, is two separate HTML pages, very basic, very, um, pared back. This first page is a landing page where you can have, uh, a moment to enter your pain very quickly. So it just asks three questions, your pain intensity, how much it's interfering with your activity today? And how much it's interfering with your, interfering with your enjoyment of life?

• 37:52Speaker 08

  These questions, um, did some research, found that these are some of the main questions doctors are going to look at to, um, be able to actually bridge like, what's causing your pain to the experience of pain. So no extra fluff, just really getting to what the doctors need.

• 38:11Speaker 08

  I have another tab where I can do a more detailed entry. If I'd like to, if I have more time where I can describe where I'm experiencing the pain, some qualities about the pain. And then I have some details at the bottom where I could add like worsening factors, what's relieving it, um, you know, any onset or pattern. I can choose to connect a quick entry to a more detailed entry at a later time. So if I go in, I just do a quick entry, like while I'm kind of going about my day, I can sit and reflect later and add more details to that.

• 38:46Speaker 08

  I also have another tab that I call the pain frame where I have this, um, like three D outline anatomical model of a body. It was very funny seeing Claude get to this final design. There were a lot of very funky, uh, interpretations of the human body that came before this one. But I have a front option where I can see kind of the front profile of the body. And I have a back option where I can see the back of the body. I have these different stamps up here that feel very like, uh, Pixar to me, like, you know, those kids kind of stamping apps that I, uh, used to use in grade school. Where I can just put a stamp on where I'm feeling the bo, feeling the pain in my body.

• 39:30Speaker 08

  And I can also click to adjust its location. I could make it bigger, smaller, delete it. And this works with the touchscreen on my e-reader, so that's like very useful for me also.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  Smart. Okay. And then what's the, I do want to know the export and backup, because I think one of the, one of the important things here is how do you get this data out to show somebody, right?

• 39:54Speaker 08

  Totally. So I have a, uh, you can export it as a CSV at any time. Um, you can also export the pain frames as a JSON file. And then they pull into this, uh, separate HTML file that's also very basic where I can load in that CSV data. I can also add that JSON data and then I can, uh, see some very simple bar graphs that I could bring to my doctor. As well as kind of like this map of, you know, overlying the locations, uh, that I've selected over time.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  Okay. Yeah, I really like that you can export it and it's readable by either like a doctor or even like, if you were implementing it into like some type of health AI. You could, uh, you know, it's readable by a human or machine, it seems.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Which leads to a good question, which is, do you have a, a big AI doctor play in here? Are you like, should Claude get all involved in the data you're pulling here?

• 40:49Speaker 08

  Oh, totally. And that was my intention. A lot of the apps that I would find on the app store like involved me adding in my medications that day and my food in that day and my cycle. These are all things I already track in other places, like, you know, with my Apple watch or other data. So I didn't want to create something that tried to bring this all in. I just wanted a place where I could document and then pull it into those other tools I already have, pull it into Claude, do some extra analysis. So really just trying to capture that data quickly and pain free.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Hayden, you get to go first. What do you, what do you want to bid?

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah, um, I think I'll start at fifty million.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  I'll go to, I'll go to, I'll go to seventy.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  Okay, I'll do 90.

• 41:32Speaker 08

  That sounds fabulous.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I think you can have it at 90. This is, this is, this is a good one. I like this. I think there is also the, the, all of the Claude integration stuff you're talking about is gonna make people uh very uncomfortable in some ways and also be very useful in some ways, which is my favorite thing about AI right now.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Yep, I think you can choose what you do and it'll also be really heavily used by like one population, so we love.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Also, Panframe is just a good name. It's just like, it's gonna work because, just because the name works really well. People are gonna remember that one. I like this. Thank you, Meals.

• 42:09Speaker 08

  Thank you so much.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Meals, thank you. We have two listeners from Georgia, but one is from the country and one is from the state. First, from the country of Georgia, please welcome Ruslan.

• 42:22Speaker 09

  Hi, Ruslan.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  What do you have for us today?

• 42:25Speaker 09

  So I have an open source project that shows stream maps for stock exchanges. Just to explain what a stream map is, imagine a giant mosaic where every tile is a company. The bigger the tile, the bigger the company. And green means the share price is up and red means the it's down, you know? So in March 2025, when President Trump announced the US Bitcoin reserve, people keep asking me to build the same thing for crypto, you know? But the thing is, this whole room can't contain the fuck I don't give a about crypto.

• 43:09Speaker 09

  So instead, I built a stream map for Pokémon cards, just in case that Pokémon cards will become the next strategic reserve, you know? So the goal was to make every tile to show the actual card artwork. But logically, my go-to charting library couldn't do that. So I asked Claude to build the same, the stream map using D3, which is another the charting tool. So when I saw this result, I was so impressed, I used the same approach for my main charts.

• 43:49Speaker 09

  So this is the Pokémon card market. Each rectangle is a Pokémon card set. And we can, we can see that the most valuable one is base set from 1999, which cost, which cost about like 15K. If we zoom in, here it is, Charizard, worth over 5K, by the way. You can click on it and see like the information, more information about this card and high-resolution scan.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  I think this is really, really great. I think I would want you to redesign the front end a little bit just to, because from the bird's eye view, it's hard to see how cool it is when you zoom into these different markets and offerings. But um, you know, all the data is there, which is awesome.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  There's so much here. I can't believe it. I also, Ruslan, I should confess, while you were talking, I've just been poking around your website. And now I'm looking at the Yu-Gi-Oh! ones and I'm looking at the One Piece tracker. And I think you have identified an important thing, which is that if crypto can be worth all of this, if we can do NFTs, then absolutely yes, there's going to be a gigantic market forever in all of these things. So, so we're, you and I together are gonna corner the market on collectible arbitrage. This is what we're gonna do together. And we're gonna get just, just Charizard to the moon, you and me. This is what we're gonna do.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna start at 150 here, again, because this is just the easiest one in the world to make money from. I can just see it. We're gonna be billionaires.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go to 175.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  I'll go to 200.

• 45:38Speaker 03

  210.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  I'm looking at the Yu-Gi-Oh! one now, and there are so many options, you can't even see any pictures in the rectangles. That's how intense this screen is. This is amazing. All right, I'm gonna go to, I'm gonna go to 225, and that's, that's, that's as high as I can do on this one.

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm gonna let him have it.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Yes. Okay. This is, this is wild. Ruslan, thank you. I'm gonna go learn a lot about Pokémon and then you and I are gonna get.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  You went for the highest amount yet, Ruslan, so great job.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  This is huge. I've gone from having a lot of money to having no money, but I feel good about it. It's gonna be great. Ruslan, thank you so much.

• 46:17Speaker 09

  Bye.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Thanks, Ruslan. All right. I have one listener left for you from the great state of Georgia. Please welcome Spencer.

• 46:26Speaker 10

  Hey there, bears. I have a very simple idea that is very, that I think we could sell off to Garmin, and I think we could all turn out well in the end. So I have a ride calculator that I've built.

• 46:43Speaker 10

  So I ride my bike a lot. You can see one of my bikes up here on my office wall.

• 46:49Speaker 10

  But what's really important through my rides is to end on like solid numbers. So like ending on 15 miles. If it's a longer ride, ending on 45. What drives me nuts is if I'm doing a lunch ride, I get back to the church, to my parking lot, wherever, and I'm at 13.2 miles, I can't stop there. I have to get to 15.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Well, you, you won't just ride the 0.8, you'll ride another 1.8 to get to 15.

• 47:15Speaker 10

  Yeah, I, you know, weekly goals, monthly goals, and.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  This is just teaching us a lot about the person we're getting into business with, as you described this. This is helpful information.

• 47:23Speaker 10

  If I, if I go in, I go all in. So, so, so I keep riding, and then I'm doing the mental math. Okay, where do I turn around to get back in the parking lot at the right mileage? And tricky, it's possible, but tricky to do while riding, also dangerous because you're distracted and are riding around cars. So it was on one of those rides, I was just wondering if five coding could work. So later, I got on Gemini. I basically rambled the same pitch I'm giving to you guys to Gemini. And on the first try, it put out a working ride calculator,

• 48:03Speaker 10

  which was surprising. I did design tweak it a bit until I liked how it looked, and then made a progressive web app. I saved it to my phone, because progressive web apps are where to go. So what we got here, the ride calculator, you've got two text boxes. One is your goal distance, so I'll do 15. Current distance, say I'm back to my parking lot at 13.45 miles. Hit calculate turnaround, and it says turnaround at 14.22 miles. So it works. I use it multiple times a week, and pulling out your phone while you're riding your bike's a little dangerous. So I had Jim and I go and make a custom data field on my Garmin watch, which I record my rides on.

• 48:49Speaker 10

  So as I'm going, when I get to my place I want to end, I just hit the lap button, and then it big numbers, turnaround at 14.2 miles. And so I get back every time at the right distance where I want to be, and it's perfect. I love it. I think a lot of people may not know they need it, but I think everybody needs it, whether you ride bikes or run or walk.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  You, you think we're gonna sell it to Garmin? I think you're wrong. I think we're gonna sell it to everybody. This, this becomes, we need to give this feature like a really catchy name, because honestly, if you're like, you, you can, you can land somewhere at the perfect stopping point for your ride, walk, run, whatever. Do you know how many people are going to experience this like emotional pleasure of I have run exactly the correct number of miles? I think this is a, I don't know, Hayden, maybe, maybe this is just, this is just the two of us and not you, but I can see how this would cause me great joy in my life, to have everything be around numbers like this.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  My question is, what, what is different about this than just planning your route ahead of time? So like, let's say on Strava or something, you want to, you know, get to, back to your house, so you're gonna do a loop, but you want it to be exactly 15 miles. Why not just plan it out ahead of time? Why, you know, do it during, like, you know, I would think that if you cared this much about an exact number, you would plan out the route ahead of time and you would already kind of know it, and you would just like kind of see it on your watch or whatever you were using as you ran the route.

• 50:25Speaker 10

  No, in theory, that is true. Because I'll plan a ride. I'm going to do a 35 mile ride. I tell my wife that. And then I get out there and I'm feeling good. And I decide I want to go for 45. And so on the fly, I can't, I'm like, okay, I don't know how to adjust my ride to get there just at the right point. So it's more for, for that on the, on the go.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  That makes sense.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Cool. I want my, my only product request for you is I want to, I want this to be both distance and minutes. I want, I want a version of this that's like, I've been going, I've been going for 17 minutes. I want to go, I want to go for 20. Tell me when to turn around, so I'll be back here in 20 minutes.

• 51:06Speaker 10

  Perfect.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  And that, that way I can just run nice and slow, or I can bike nice and slow, and I can still get back and I will have nailed it at an exact time. I think we're one catchy product name away from being able to trademark this and sell it to every exercise company that exists on planet Earth. I, I mean, Hayden, I think you're going to win just because you have more money than I do here, but I'm, I'm, I'm in on this one at, at, at a hundred million, easy.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm going to go, uh, 150.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  I'm not sure I have, I'm, I'm, I'm out of funds here. I think you're going to get it for 150.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  You have like 650 million.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  But I think you got it at a steal. No, I just, I just spent all of my money.

• 51:45Speaker 03

  Oh, right. Okay, bless, yep, I'll take it.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  You guys are going, you guys are going to get rich. I, I love this for both of you. It's going to be good. Spencer, thank you. Appreciate you being here.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  Thanks Spencer.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  And that's it. That's everybody.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  We did it. Those were shockingly good ideas. I kept waiting for the person to show up and be like, I have a thing that won't make any sense to anyone except for me, which to me is the true beauty of vibe coding. But all of these were like, good, relatable ideas. I loved this.

• 52:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, these were good.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  This is good stuff. All right. Travis, do you want to give us the final tallies?

• 52:18Speaker 02

  Yes, I would love to give you your final tallies. So Hayden ends with $545 million still in her pocket. John's tablet grocery request app went for a hundred million. Sarah's child meal tracker, 115. Meal's pain frame for 90. And Spencer's bike app went for 150.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  The thing we learned from this is that we should have spent more money. And also, here's what I think, before you even read my number, Travis, hold me to this. I'm saying it live here on the podcast. We're going to do this again, but we each start with only the balance we currently have.

• 52:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Okay, great. Great. So David, you have, you have $400 billion remaining.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Do we?

• 53:01Speaker 02

  And you bought Eddie's sermon search for 100, Simon's photo sharing app for 250, and Ruslan's Pokemon card market tree map also for 250.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  There's at least two I should go back and get now. Can I just Bigfoot Hayden's deals?

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Nope, nope. That's not how Bear Lair works. We all know how Bear Lair works.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  I guess we, we can't spend all of our money, or we'd be too leveraged against, against all of this stuff. This, this way, you know, Hayden and I can still feed our families. Travis, Hayden, thank you both for being here. Thank you to all of our, all of our guests, all of our applicants, all of our, I don't know what they're called, contestants here on Bear Lair. I hope we all get fabulously wealthy. We will do this again. Hayden, good to see you. See you next time.

• 53:46Speaker 03

  Always a pleasure.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  All right, that's it for the show. Thank you to Hayden for being my co-bear. Thank you to everybody who came on the show, hung out on the stream yard with us, and made their pitches. They were all very impressive, actually. Almost every single one of these was something that I was like, actually into. This was great, we're going to do this again. Get your ideas ready. Hayden and I are going to be more aggressive with our money next time. I'm very much looking forward to it. Thank you, as always, for watching and listening. And if you have thoughts, questions, feedback, if you want to be on the next version of Bear Lair, if you think we're just completely out of our mind, and we should have spent all of our money in different places, I want to hear all about it. [email protected] is the email, 866-VERGE11 is the hotline. Get at us, we love hearing from you. And as always, the best thing you can do to support everything that we're up to here

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