The Force Naps

It's a veritable who's who of podcasting today, as Dieter Bohn takes the Vergecast reigns, and invites Chris Ziegler, Sam Sheffer, Emily Yoshida, and Kwame Opam to The Vergecast. We've got the gold MacBook, the Surface 3, the new Star Wars trailer, and Ryan Gosling's rumored presence in a Blade Runner sequel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

• 0:06Speaker 00

  Hello and welcome to The Vergecast. This is the week of, I don't know, April 13th. It's April 16th today. I am not Neelai Patel. I am Dieter Bone.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  I'm Chris Ziegler.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  And I am Sam Sheffer.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  Why aren't you at the hype desk?

• 0:21Speaker 02

  You invited me here.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  The hype desk is empty.

• 0:23Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  There is zero hype.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  It's so lonely and sad over there.

• 0:29Speaker 00

  It is so hype that we had to bring the hype to the main table.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  Repping Verge today, feeling good.

• 0:34Speaker 00

  So yeah, Neelai is on vacation. I guess he deserves one. So we are filling in. We've also, we're gonna have an array of people. You guys are gonna be on for a while. We might try and bring Emily and Kwame out later. And we're all very excited because these new Star Wars trailers just dropped, but...

• 0:52Speaker 02

  We'll save that discussion for...

• 0:53Speaker 00

  We're not gonna talk about it right now because sitting to my left, Chris Ziegler, is a known Star Wars hater.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  Not a hater of the series.

• 1:01Speaker 00

  You are a Star Wars hater.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Not, no, I'm not a hater of the series. I, look, George Lucas said somewhere in the range of 10 years ago that it was done. Okay? He said it was done, and now it's not done anymore, and I'm a little upset about it.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  What did Dom say at the end of the first Fast and the Furious?

• 1:18Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  That's a little different.

• 1:20Speaker 02

  It's not different.

• 1:21Speaker 00

  No, it's different. It's different because the Star Wars movies are better.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  And it was...

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Ouch.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  Whatever. I'm not going down this rabbit hole. This is a dangerous place to be.

• 1:32Speaker 00

  You know, oh god, I wanna talk about Star Wars now really badly. I just watched Attack of the Clones last night. I still feel like it's a slightly underrated movie. There's a lot of really, really terribleness, but the whole set of Obi-Wan, like, performing his investigation.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Is great.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  I thought it was the best of the three new ones.

• 1:50Speaker 00

  That's not saying much, though, is it?

• 1:51Speaker 01

  No, it isn't.

• 1:52Speaker 00

  Okay, we're gonna talk a lot more Star Wars later, cuz we are excited, but...

• 1:59Speaker 00

  I think we should talk about, because we didn't get to talk about it last time too much last week, the new MacBook. And I also want to talk about this, the Surface 3 that I'm holding in my hand. What do you want, Chris? You're gonna buy one, aren't you? You're gonna buy a MacBook?

• 2:13Speaker 01

  I really want to.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Micah bought a MacBook.

• 2:15Speaker 00

  Of course, Micah bought a MacBook.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  Luxury Singleton bought a MacBook, which he calls on Twitter the most ridicu... I think he called it the most ridiculous hardware Apple has made.

• 2:24Speaker 00

  That is objectively true.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's true.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. I just had an opportunity to really dig in with one over the weekend, meaning I went to the Cube.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Yes. Wait, you went all the way up to the Cube?

• 2:37Speaker 00

  The Apple Store Cube?

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did.

• 2:38Speaker 00

  Not that far.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  And it's for, it's hype, is what it is.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  I don't know what that means.

• 2:42Speaker 00

  How many times have you gone to the Apple Store to try out a watch, Sam?

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Just once.

• 2:46Speaker 00

  Ah, that's a lie.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Including the edition experience.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Yes, that was, I booked that back to back. It was very convenient.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, anyway, I was shocked at how quickly I got used to typing on it. It really wasn't.

• 2:57Speaker 00

  Right, yeah. Everybody's like, oh, this keyboard sucks, but the keys are wider. And then they, I guess they kind of have a different curve to them, so it's easier to hit the edges.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04Speaker 00

  And then they, they come in flat, so it's shallow. But because of the mechanism and the steel dome, it feels just really nice and clicky and normal, right?

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was good.

• 3:17Speaker 00

  So why, are you gonna buy one or not?

• 3:20Speaker 01

  So the, there are two factors for me right now. One is that this MacBook Air clearly is not dead. And justifying owning two laptops is difficult. I think that a work laptop and a personal desktop makes a lot of sense. Maybe combined with a personal tablet. But just the, the concept of owning two laptops has never worked well for me. What I find is that I end up using one 99.9% of the time, the other 1.1% of the time. And at that point, I'm like, I need to sell this thing because it's not getting enough use. Um, so that's where I'm at right now. This air is still a very important part of my life. Uh, and I just don't know if I have room for another one.

• 4:01Speaker 00

  So, okay, we should actually like, we didn't get into it much, but uh, my review, I basically said two things that I think are true still. One, um, it makes me hate my air.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:13Speaker 00

  And two, it basically feels, and I know Chris, you've said this, it feels like the iPad air two decided to like up and become a Mac.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  It, it, the thing feels as well put together and well, like crafted as an iPad.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 4:28Speaker 00

  And it has kind of the same amount of power.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Fair, fair. And it has one port.

• 4:33Speaker 00

  And it has just one single little reversible port.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:37Speaker 00

  But like, this is where laptops are going.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:39Speaker 00

  There's no question about that.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Right. And what does that mean?

• 4:42Speaker 00

  It means that you, your next laptop or the one after that is going to be fanless. It's going to have an incredibly high resolution screen. It's going to be stupid, crazy thin. It's going to last somewhere in the neighborhood of eight hours. And uh, it's going to be maybe not the most powerful thing you could buy.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  But don't you want power? Like if I were to buy a new MacBook, I would probably buy the 13 Intretina.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  Right.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Because it's a MacBook Pro. Like you can't like.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  But when's the last time you needed that power?

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. How much 4K video editing are you doing, Sam? Be honest.

• 5:14Speaker 02

  Zero, but you know, when I, I run two browsers and usually there's 10 to 15 tabs open in each. Slack's always open, TweetDeck's always open, Twitter for Mac's always open.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  And like, you know, I like, I don't like turning off my computer. I like leaving it on and coming back to right where I was. And sometimes the laptop hangs. Um, and this is the Haswell Air. So if I were to buy a new machine, I wouldn't want to just buy something that, you know, can just like, you could just browse the internet on. That's like the, the new air feels like.

• 5:42Speaker 00

  Like a $1,300 Chromebook? Is that what you're saying?

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, basically. Yeah, that runs OSX. Yeah.

• 5:47Speaker 00

  But that's kind of what I want in a lot of cases.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 00

  I just don't want to spend that much on it.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  I just feel like if you're going to spend that much on it, it should have a better processor. Like, will they put Skylake in this thing ever? Probably not. CoreM, right?

• 6:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 00

  At least it's not Adam. Yeah, that's true.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Well, so you can, uh, life hack, life hack alert.

• 6:07Speaker 00

  Oh, God.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  You can build to order, uh, the new MacBook with a Core M 1.3, which boosts to 1.2.9. Uh, it's not available in stores.

• 6:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that boost doesn't matter.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:19Speaker 00

  Like, it's helpful and like, it makes, it makes discreet individual tasks feel okay briefly. But like, if you're doing serious photo editing, or you're doing the other thing that destroys MacBooks, which is running Chrome.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:32Speaker 00

  It doesn't help in the long term.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:33Speaker 00

  Um, by the way, uh, Vlad put up this piece, and I know it also applies to Windows to some extent, although I feel like Chrome runs better on Windows than it does on a Mac.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  Chrome on a Mac.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  It's a nightmare.

• 6:45Speaker 00

  It's terrible.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And Safari, I was, uh, originally very bullish on it, but one, there's still a few UI problems that are...

• 6:55Speaker 00

  Just let me pin a tab. Let me pin a tab.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:58Speaker 00

  Why can't I pin a tab?

• 6:59Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  That's all I want. And there's no good extensions that I've found that I trust that are good for doing that.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. It also has a tendency to, once you get beyond a certain tab limit, it goes haywire in a way that Chrome doesn't.

• 7:13Speaker 00

  Right.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Um, which is not pleasant. There's, there's no good answer. Just stop browsing.

• 7:17Speaker 00

  And also, Apple apparently hates Favicons and tabs.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:20Speaker 00

  This is the other thing. Like, so if you've got a bunch of tabs, it makes it harder to identify each individual one.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it does this weird, like, thing where tabs get bigger and smaller.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  I hate that.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  I hate that. When you're like pur- tabbing, purging tabs in Chrome, they all stay the same size, and then they dynamically shift.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  Uh, Safari tab management is still so bad.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  I feel you on that.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Pipe check Safari.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Like a five. It's like, come on. Like, they have, it has the, doesn't have the new JavaScript engine or something, or is that on iPhone? But I don't know. Like, when I got the new MacBook, I was like, yeah, Safari's the best. And then Safari just sucks. Like, I had this really...

• 7:55Speaker 00

  Uh, it doesn't suck. It's just like, it's designed, it's basic. It's basic.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  It's basic.

• 8:00Speaker 00

  It's super fast. It's super easy on the battery.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:03Speaker 00

  But it's like, I'd need like a pro features.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. You need a browser with utilities.

• 8:09Speaker 00

  Right.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  Safari's like, lol, go to Facebook.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  You know what it's time for? You know what it's time for?

• 8:14Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Firefox. I'm just gonna put it out.

• 8:17Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Fire what?

• 8:19Speaker 00

  I'm ethically not allowed to discuss Firefox.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  No, yeah, Dieter, Dieter is, has to recuse himself from this conversation. I, I.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  I used Firefox when I was like 14, because it was like the new hit browser. And then Chrome came out and Chrome for life, for now.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  So when you were 14, that was Firefox, what, uh, 3.0, 4.0?

• 8:38Speaker 02

  I don't even.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  1.0 came out when you were five?

• 8:40Speaker 02

  I don't remember.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, it, it, it actually, you know, Firefox is one of those things where it's on my machine. And every like two months, it's kind of like my Xbox where every time I started up, it has to like update itself because it's been that long since I started last. And it seems to get, it seems to be in a really good place right now, and I should probably give it a chance. I just haven't.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:01Speaker 00

  All right, sorry. MacBook.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  MacBook.

• 9:04Speaker 00

  You're not gonna buy one. And if you do, you're gonna buy the space gray one.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  Torn. Space gray or gold, definitely not silver.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, silver's bust.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, it's not bust, it's just played because everything is silver.

• 9:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, speaking of played, the screen on this MacBook Air, like, I feel like Apple is intentionally not putting a retina screen on the MacBook Air to like, make me buy the more expensive new MacBook. Like, come on.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  You can regularly get the 11 inch MacBook Air for $7.99 now. Like, it's not difficult.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  But the screen is so bad. Like, every, most other screens we look at when you watch television, it's 1920 by 1080 and you're sitting far back enough where, you know, you don't strain your eyes, but not that I'm straining my eyes with this, it's 1440 by 900, right?

• 9:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  But this is retina, the iPads are retina, the new MacBooks are retina, why isn't this retina?

• 9:52Speaker 00

  Right.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  It's like, it's a joke.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  It will be eventually. I mean, they can't hold out.

• 9:55Speaker 00

  They can't hold out. Like, what if they, what if they, what if they leave this?

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:59Speaker 00

  And then, because like, the reason I, I used to say, I don't care about retina is I care more about battery life. And at least with the MacBook, they've like, they've balanced that pretty well. They did it with a super slow processor, but they did it. Um, and on the new Mac, or, you know, the MacBook Pros, the new one in the last generation, it's good enough for me, which is weird. I'm usually not the kind of person that says good enough when it comes to battery life, but like, it's, it's pretty close.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  I feel like it's not that much work to do the same on a Air, given how

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:27Speaker 00

  well they've done at screens and they're just not doing it. So

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:30Speaker 00

  like this is the new cheap, low end MacBook and that's super weird. Like the Air is like the, the cheap kind of crappy Mac now.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  But it's not because the 13 is basically the same price as the MacBook, right?

• 10:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, you can get one. I have to look, but this is the computer that I've used, this model or the one before it. It's been like four or five years, basically, since this model of the Air came out.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:56Speaker 00

  This form factor is the only thing I've used and I've been super duper happy.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:00Speaker 00

  And I was super duper happy until I started using retina laptops on a regular basis and now it just feels kinda.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Everything feels like kinda clunky and.

• 11:09Speaker 00

  And that's insane. Like you understand that's objectively insane to say that this thing, which Microsoft, you know, Windows PC makers have been chasing for literally half a decade. Is like starting to feel clunky. It's only by comparison to the, the new MacBook.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 11:26Speaker 00

  I sound like such an Apple fanboy and I'm sure I'm getting

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Cause you are.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  Iverge tweets right now.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  But it is. It's like incredibly good hardware.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's really more to do with just the difference. It's strictly, brand decided strictly hardware thing. It's just like 3.5 inch touchscreen phones used to feel enormous and now they feel microscopic. It's the same, same kind of thing.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. But that new MacBook, just TLDR of the conversation. That is ridiculous hardware.

• 11:51Speaker 00

  I check.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  10 out of 10. I mean, it's nuts. It's nuts how crazy that laptop is. It is gorgeous.

• 11:58Speaker 00

  I wish I had it here with me, but.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Go look at it in the Apple store. It'll blow your mind. And I just want to talk, I love talking about the trackpad. That thing still continues to melt my brain.

• 12:08Speaker 00

  So it melts your brain for about an hour. You're like, I can't, how does this work? This is dark magic. And then it's just a trackpad. It's a really good trackpad.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  No, but, but it's.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  But when you think about how it works.

• 12:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. But like, how often do you really like think about how it works? You get, you get like an hour and then it's just a trackpad.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  To me right now, every time I click this thing, I'm like, where are the magnets? Where are the magnets? Where are the magnets?

• 12:29Speaker 01

  I say that in every aspect of my life.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  No, it's it's just it's crazy because when the laptop is off, it's like just a piece of glass. And then the first time, I think I told this already on the Vergecast, but the first time I used Force Touch in the Apple Store on a MacBook, I felt like I was getting electrocuted in a sense. Like, it didn't feel like a click.

• 12:47Speaker 00

  Oh, there's the Iverge tweet.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  It happened to, uh, it happened to me the first time I used it. And then that sensation went away because right, it's it's electromagnets that are vibrating. And I'm, Dieter, correct me if I'm wrong. Is there a speaker that like emits a fake clicky noise to give you that simulation?

• 13:04Speaker 00

  I've heard conflicting reports.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  Okay. In any event, the thing is cool.

• 13:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Should we talk about WWDC?

• 13:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  It's happening June 8th.

• 13:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, we're expecting iOS 9, we're expecting, I'm hoping that they're gonna.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Apple Watch.

• 13:18Speaker 00

  Fully detail Apple Watch native apps.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 13:20Speaker 00

  Because that's.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  And new OS 10.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  And OS 10.

• 13:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  And.

• 13:25Speaker 00

  That's a lot.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:26Speaker 00

  Do you really think they can pull that off? I mean, they did, they did have Swift before, so like they know how to pack it in.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  And there will probably be some form of Mac refresh.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  I was just gonna say. A 15 inch with Force Touch, yes or no? The MacBook.

• 13:39Speaker 00

  Why not?

• 13:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's a minor, I mean, like, keep in mind that at the last Apple event, uh, that was something that was said in passing.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, Tim Cook spent like 30 seconds on the 13 inch.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, literally.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  So that could be something they could do very quickly or not at all and just do it as a stealth update. And, uh, there could be some iMac refreshes.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  TV stuff, maybe?

• 13:59Speaker 01

  Come on, man. Oh, you mean Apple, you mean like the box?

• 14:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, but not, not, not the.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  You got a regular Gene Munster over here.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, the, I mean, the invite.

• 14:08Speaker 00

  So there was, uh, I think, I think it was, uh, John Gruber who said that the outline of the square and the invite looked a little bit like an Apple TV. And there's always criminology whenever these invite images come out. But so it was a photos icon with a bunch of icons around it.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:21Speaker 00

  Icon shapes around it. And then if you look closely, like, oh, there's like a round, direct square kind of thing.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. Could be an Apple TV. We're expecting a new one. I think that was originally reported by Peter Kafka.

• 14:33Speaker 00

  We're expecting apps.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Yep, we're expecting apps. Thank God. Long overdue.

• 14:40Speaker 00

  Only give me apps if you fix your interface.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:43Speaker 00

  Because the number of icons that I have that just like randomly appear every day.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then you have to go in.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  Out of control.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  You have to go in and like hide the ones you don't want.

• 14:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's the worst.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:54Speaker 00

  And like moving around and like, I didn't ask for this.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't ask for that either. Oh, here's another thing I don't want. I still don't know what Crunchyroll is. After all these years.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  Crunchyroll?

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  Is where he is in a portal to watch anime.

• 15:05Speaker 00

  No, it's a kind of sushi.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  It's both of these things.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  I'm gonna return to the.

• 15:12Speaker 00

  Man, you wanted to be up here and it's.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  No, it's great. Yeah, I like it.

• 15:15Speaker 01

  And I'm gonna throw out a.

• 15:16Speaker 00

  We're like, we're like, we're like the B team. We're the B squad for Vergecast.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Maybe B minus.

• 15:24Speaker 00

  B minus. I've checked, I've checked this Vergecast squad.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  Just kidding.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  Every time you say hype check, it goes to the empty desk.

• 15:34Speaker 00

  Perfect. We should talk about the Surface 3.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Wait, I want to say one more thing.

• 15:39Speaker 00

  I want, okay.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  There's the iMac. It's, it's an outlier, but there's the iMac 8K rumor, which I think is.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, we will never see that.

• 15:48Speaker 00

  Nothing compares to the current iMac.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  I agree that it's nonsense. I just want to throw it out there as an outlier rumor possibility.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  So, so the, the current high-end iMac is a 5K screen, right? And there's a rumor that the next iMac is gonna have an 8K screen.

• 16:05Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  2016.

• 16:08Speaker 00

  You know what I want? A cinema display.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. The cinema display is still what? The, is it still 1080p?

• 16:15Speaker 00

  Giant bust. I don't even know. 1920 by something, something.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. And Mac Pro? Definitely not.

• 16:22Speaker 00

  No, that's.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  But even if they do, it's like, who actually cares? I'm sorry. It's like, it's, it's something that no actual human buys unless you do a lot of video.

• 16:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  All right, Dieter, take it away. Surface 3.

• 16:33Speaker 00

  Take, well, you tell me about the Surface 3. You know all about it.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Um.

• 16:36Speaker 00

  I didn't review it. I was just talent. We did a video and I was on the microphone. I was the talent for the video channeling Tom Warren's opinions. I didn't, I've only used this thing for a couple hours myself.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  So.

• 16:47Speaker 00

  Although, listen to this.

• 16:51Speaker 00

  Huh?

• 16:52Speaker 02

  That's it has three.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  It has three clicky. Clicky spots for the hinge.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Oh, God, it's so loud.

• 16:57Speaker 00

  Well, it's a table.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  So the the Surface 3 is a new Surface for Microsoft.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  And if you're confused, that's fine, because Microsoft has had a product called the Surface Pro 3, which ran full Windows, was basically really well specked out for what it is.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's great laptop.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  And laptop or whatever, whatever it actually is.

• 17:19Speaker 00

  It's a great.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  It's a great thing. It's a great Surface. And now, Microsoft recently was like, hey, we're gonna make a regular version of the Surface.

• 17:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, so what's different is it's not the Surface RT. It's not running Windows RT, it's just running Windows 8.1.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  Running actual Windows, it's a little bit smaller, a little bit cheaper.

• 17:38Speaker 00

  Doesn't have a fan, right?

• 17:39Speaker 02

  It's fanless also.

• 17:40Speaker 00

  It's got an Atom processor, which, again, sounds like, oh, that's the worst, but it's actually like better than what you think of when you think of Atom processors on netbooks. That said, it, like the Mac, like the MacBook, it can't handle heavy duty stuff. Tom thinks it's pretty good. I am a little bit harsher on it in terms of its performance under like load. But it's still like, not bad. And the keyboard, you know, the keyboard's a little bit less than full size, I think. But even so, like, it feels fine to me. It's, but the problem is like, you can get the base model for $499, which is like, oh, hey, great, cheap. It's like the right price for a high end tablet.

• 18:21Speaker 00

  And it's got a 3 by 2 aspect ratio, so actually, you can use it in portrait mode, and it feels kind of competitive with the iPad. But if you're looking at just buying this thing just as a tablet, you're not gonna have a ton of fun, I don't think. Cause.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  Weird aspect ratio.

• 18:37Speaker 00

  You want, you want the keyboard, you want the mouse, and you probably want to get the slightly more expensive version that's got 4 gigs of RAM.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  What are the, what is the pricing of this? I think the.

• 18:45Speaker 00

  So this is $499, and then the keyboard's $130, and then if you want the stylus, I don't know.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Another 80 or something.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  50 or 80, whatever it is. So you start adding it all together, and all of a sudden, you're looking at 700 bucks, and. I don't know, like at, at, at 500 bucks, it's like, yeah, like this is like something that if you love Windows and you kind of want something that could be a tablet every now and then, and you don't mind the hinge, like you have to like, start slicing off, like if you want this, and if you want this, and if you want this, then like you're in that zone, then this is great.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:17Speaker 00

  But like, I don't know how big that zone is. And like, I, I can see myself fitting in that zone sometimes, but most times, not so much.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Look, I, I know Microsoft and basically every Windows OEM is desperate still after all these years to make these insane form factors work. If all Microsoft did was make this device, but with a real keyboard.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  I said this on the last Vergecast.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  And now I'm saying it.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Why?

• 19:41Speaker 00

  That's what Tom said in the review.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  Why, why doesn't Microsoft make their own hardware like this? Like, what is the point of this form factor?

• 19:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, this is, no, I mean.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's, it's not for me. Maybe it's, it's, it's for other people because humans buy that machine, right? But like.

• 19:59Speaker 00

  I mean, for me, like, I still want to believe in the principle of the Surface. I still want to believe that, uh, there is like a machine where keyboard is optional and it can basically be a tablet and it lasts all day and it runs, you know, full operating system. Like I, I believe in the idea of the Surface, but it's been three and a half years, however long it's been. And I say, still haven't made the thing that makes me go, yes, I'm in that sweet spot of the perfect customer for this thing.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  And I'm just thinking, if Apple did this too, would I be interested in something that detaches like that? And if, if, I don't know.

• 20:31Speaker 00

  Really? Cause if, if Apple did anything.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  No, I'm not buying the MacBook.

• 20:36Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. Fair. Yeah.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  And I'm not spending crazy amounts of money on the watch.

• 20:41Speaker 00

  When's your watch arrive? Mine doesn't arrive till like late May. Pretty unhappy.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  Cause you're a buster.

• 20:45Speaker 00

  What? Dude, just because I didn't have the app on me when the pre-orders came.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  See, that's the secret. If you don't have, we learned that with iPhone 6. If you don't have the app, you're, you're screwed.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. I had to wait like an extra four minutes or five minutes.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Is that all it took? And you got pushed out to May?

• 20:59Speaker 00

  Our producer, Jordan, who's sitting in for John, has just said something to me. Oh, wow.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 21:06Speaker 00

  He ordered with the app.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I I got my email at 3:03 in the morning, so.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Saying that your order was accepted.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Saying that it was done, yeah, and I still have delivery for 24 to 58. So hopefully, uh, next week's Vergecast, I will be dripping in sweat because my watch will be somewhere on on this.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Well, actually, your watch probably is already somewhere. It's just not in your hands.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  On my wrist.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Right. It's probably already been made, let's put it that way.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  I would say so, yeah. Yeah, so the Surface, I don't know, it's like, cool, Microsoft, I'm glad you're doing that, but do do they announce numbers of sales? Do they do hardware numbers like?

• 21:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, they have.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, is the Surface, I mean.

• 21:54Speaker 00

  It's it's not a huge, they had to write down that one, right? Like they had to like.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  Do.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  So the Surface 3 Pro, um, I'm sure Tom is listening to this, Pro 3, excuse me, is uh, is better performing than previous surfaces for sure.

• 22:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, and it's that and rightly so, that's a really, really nice machine.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:13Speaker 00

  And that hinge that it like smoothly works at any angle, you're like, oh, yeah, this this makes sense to me.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:18Speaker 00

  And the the other thing, and the Surface 3 does the same thing where the keyboard has a little magnet, so it like angles into the actual tablet, so it's more stable. Like it's.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Well, this one does that too, right?

• 22:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  So yeah, I will say I love this color. It reminds me of the old Nokia phones.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is dope, this cyan is dope.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Right, it's good.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  This keyboard feels really great, actually.

• 22:42Speaker 00

  Like the the track part is way too small.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  The trackpad is is miniature.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  And it's because they're trying to force you into touching the screen, right?

• 22:51Speaker 00

  No, it's just because they needed to make a keyboard as big as possible, but still fit the overall outlines of the device.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  There's just no other place to stick a trackpad on this thing.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean.

• 23:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, this is the feeling like Microsoft is cool again.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Here's the thing.

• 23:06Speaker 00

  We all believe it and we want them to succeed because the hardware, it's not like, like jewelry quality. Oh, my God, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever touched, but it's like really quality, especially at 500 bucks.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  If you're a college student out there, listening to this Vergecast or a human out there, listening to this Vergecast that uses a Surface as your daily driver, not if you own a Surface and it sits on your shelf. If you use a Surface for work or school, please email me and tell me your experience and describe it to me in detail because I'm genuinely interested because right like I use my MacBook in a lot of different positions. Like it's on my desk, then I could bring it on my lap and then I can lay in bed with it on my chest. It's on the couch and you know, and this thing just feels ergonomically, you know, I was asking Dan, who was playing this with this for a while, lappability is not the best with this thing. The other Surface is definitely better because it has that infinite hinge.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  The Pro 3 has the infinite hinge, but yeah, it's definitely a nice device. Don't get me wrong. I just, it's, I don't see why you would buy this over a, you know, $400 touchscreen laptop with a real keyboard that folds.

• 24:15Speaker 00

  Well, why even touchscreen laptop? Why not just laptop? I saw no one, to this day, no one has convinced me that I need a touchscreen on my laptop.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  I don't.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Well, it's not a laptop.

• 24:26Speaker 00

  Well, on my.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  I just took the Surface off the keyboard.

• 24:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, but there are, there's no shortage of laptop, not for Microsoft, but there, there's no shortage of laptops on the market with, with touchscreens. Those exist.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:37Speaker 00

  Those are a thing.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  So I think before I let you guys go and kick you out to, to read ads and also talk to, about Star Wars, because that's what I actually want to do. Sean O'Kane put up a really great piece about Formula E, electronic car racing.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  He did.

• 24:56Speaker 00

  And Chris, I would, I would like for you to explain to me what this is and why I should care because.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  I get NASCAR. I don't, I'm not super into it, but I understand it. And I kind of get standard Indy car. And I guess this is the same thing.

• 25:09Speaker 00

  Chris is our resident.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  No, this is.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Car expert.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  So it's considering how similar the cars look to F1 cars or Indy cars. It's actually shocking how different the series actually is.

• 25:20Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  So the, the variety of constraints imposed by the fact that these are electric vehicles, they're all electric. There's no gas whatsoever. So the, the weirdest thing that these guys have to do is halfway through the race, they have to pit, physically get out of their car, run to a second car, get in and keep going.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  Oh, wow. Because the battery's dead.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Right. They can only go like 35 to 40 miles on a charge, I think.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  So that's one difference. Two, they can only do road courses right now because the, um, the longevity of the battery is largely dependent on regenerative braking, which they do on a road course, on an oval course. Like you're, you're more prone to see an Indy car. There is no regenerative braking because you're always going full out. You're going 200 miles an hour full time. Uh, and that's another thing. These cars don't have the, the top speed of a traditional Indy car or Formula One car. So there are a lot of constraints, but they're working pretty well within those constraints, I think. And the, um, as Sean points out in the piece, and I think this is very true, that the, the specific constraints in Formula E in many ways make it more interesting. They try to fit the entire race into a single day, which makes it a more accessible experience than like going to a NASCAR

• 26:28Speaker 01

  race where like you basically have to get there on Thursday and camp, camp out until Sunday.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's the fun.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  It's part of the fun.

• 26:34Speaker 00

  Have you ever been to a NASCAR race where you did that camping?

• 26:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 26:38Speaker 00

  I have. You've been to a NASCAR race? Yeah, dude, Las Vegas. It was amazing.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Why?

• 26:43Speaker 00

  There were people like riding, they, people made trains out of like lawnmowers and were just riding around the camps, just hanging out. They like, like to trailer them up and a different person would lead it.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Most NASCAR thing I've ever heard.

• 26:54Speaker 00

  It was great. It was. That is, that is Merka for you. The amount of like drinking there is beyond.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  I can imagine.

• 27:02Speaker 00

  Anything I could describe.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  I can imagine. No, don't get me wrong. There, there's certainly an appeal to that, but I think that there's also an appeal to like, I, I have an afternoon to spend. I'm going to go check out this cool race.

• 27:12Speaker 00

  So is it? Snooty, that's one of the reasons I don't like F1. I just, I feel like everything, everything there is like.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Well, FIA, FIA as an organization, which is Formula E's parent organization, just like F1 and WRC is a snooty organization. And it will be as long as Bernie Ecclestone is in charge.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  So you could just keep, you could make up neckronyms and names at this point and I would just be like, yep, okay, no, I hear you. Yeah.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Look, I go the.

• 27:35Speaker 00

  Morgan and Bergen is still running the show over there and the McGurgen family is well known for being pretentious jerks.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  If you look up Bernie, you'll find plenty of backstory and why he's a terrible human being. But anyway, I, I think that Formula E is pretty well insulated from that because it's young and it's run by a different group of people. Uh, and it's very, very clearly the future. There are so many, uh, really talented drivers involved with this series who are very passionate about it. And young people appear to be very interested in it at the same time that NASCAR ratings are going down. So I think that they have a good opportunity to capitalize on, on some mojo here if they can keep it going.

• 28:15Speaker 00

  So are they gonna do, like the way the NASCAR worked is they, there was really personality driven, right? And like you got into like the racers and the teams and like the soap opera infighting and all that stuff. And then I feel like most other racing is just like the tech, the cars, you might care a little bit with the drivers, but you're like, you, you pick your, your team. And then you just kind of, it's more straightforward. Is this gonna, are they gonna try and go NASCAR soap opera E on it?

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Well, so in, in F1, I think that personalities play a role in Formula E. Uh, Sean tells me that, um, they are, FIA is very bad about giving, uh, spectators access to the drivers. And the paddocks after the race, which is an integral part of the NASCAR experience, right? Like it's really important that you be able to interact with the drivers that you like.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, don't like a lot of NASCAR tracks have like RV camps in the middle of the track.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Right. Exactly. And in Formula E, they're not doing that yet. Uh, so we'll see. I agree. That's.

• 29:08Speaker 00

  Also, would they let, would they let an RV anywhere near Formula E?

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Probably not.

• 29:12Speaker 00

  They're snooty, right?

• 29:14Speaker 00

  I don't like snooty. I mean, if you brought an electric RV, maybe.

• 29:21Speaker 00

  I don't know if that's a thing. All right. Uh, guys, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to take us to the money zone.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:28Speaker 00

  Are you ready?

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Bring us there.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  Do it.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  All right.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  I'm gonna prepare a snap.

• 29:35Speaker 00

  Have you ever worked with a corporate Intranet? Sam, not Internet Intranet.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  I have not.

• 29:40Speaker 00

  Well, if you have, you know that it's usually really painful. It's usually really crappy.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  I've heard.

• 29:45Speaker 00

  Everything on it is stale. Nobody keeps it up to date. It's really ugly. It's really hard to use. Can't get to it on your phone. Well, there is an Intranet made by a company called Igloo, and it's actually designed for the user. It lets you flexibly get your work done how you want, where you want, and on whatever device that you want. They're building an Intranet that's meant for 2015, not for 1997. I've used Intranets that were meant for 1997. I used Intranets in 1997. And you know what? Didn't enjoy it.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Not fun.

• 30:17Speaker 00

  I'm looking at you, Pillsbury. Your Intranet was terrible.

• 30:21Speaker 00

  Igloo, however, is built with easy-to-use apps. It has file sharing, calendars, social news feeds, and task management. Everything on it can be social with comments and like buttons right there in your Intranet. Anyone can add content, but there are permissions to make sure that nothing goes wrong. And there are drag-and-drop widgets and WYSIWYG editors for the text boxes. Igloo also makes use of responsive web design, so it looks fantastic on all of your devices. So you probably want to sign up. So go to igloosoftware.com/vergcast, and you'll get a free trial, and you can get started right now, today, this very moment.

• 30:58Speaker 02

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• 30:59Speaker 00

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• 32:27Speaker 02

  So, I've been using Periscope.

• 32:28Speaker 00

  Oh, no, we should talk about Twitter's new, uh, we should, sorry. Tell me about, tell me about Twitter's new homepage for logged out users.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  Okay, fine, fine, we can talk about that. So, up until yesterday, twitter.com, or Twitter if you were logged out, was pretty bad in design.

• 32:51Speaker 00

  If you went to twitter.com, you just saw, "Please sign up." And that was like all you could do. And here's the crazy thing, I'm totally stomping all over you, I'm sorry. It only, uh, it had, I'm sorry, it only had that thing for, how many visitors do you think went and saw that page? 125 million. Like, that's the number that we heard.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  That's, that's, yeah, it's just, it's peanuts.

• 33:11Speaker 00

  That's a lot, that's a lot of people.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's peanuts.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  No, I actually, in, uh, I don't remember what class it was. I was an IT major at Rutgers and I remember taking a class and evaluating, um, homepages of social networks. And like Facebook's homepage and Twitter's homepage. And I, I feel like it was like maybe Pinterest and Tumblr. They all looked similar in the sense that, right, you said, Dieter, like, they want you to sign up. They assume that everyone that's going to that homepage, you know, wants to sign up, maybe. And that was probably not the right approach. So Twitter, to get to the meat of this, Twitter redesigned its homepage. And I'm just gonna go to twitter.com on my browser because I could talk about it better like that. But now when you go to twitter.com, it has this nice blue...

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Box up top that says, see what's happening right now. Find community, conversation and inspiration. There's no Oxford comma there, which bothers me. Find community, conversation and inspiration about the things you love. So you could search Twitter right from the homepage now and it's like right there and prominent. And then there are, I think it's 18 boxes of various types of content. Celebrities, politics, general news, country artists, tech blogs and reporters.

• 34:26Speaker 00

  Okay, it has right there. If you go to twitter.com and you look at like news, there's like journalists and analysts and reporters. And you, you go to, I don't know, entertainment and there's stars and critics. And you look at science and it's science, news and journalists. Uh, and then tech blogs and reporters. You guys, Emily is trying to sit down really quietly. She's trying to not be interruptive.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  When I, when I hear the word-

• 34:58Speaker 00

  We're just killing time. So before we can talk about what we really want to talk about.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  When I hear the words tech blog, I just, I just cringe to myself like, I write a tech blog, like, oh.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  I've checked twitter.com.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  It looks really nice right now. I gotta say it's, it's like probably like seven.

• 35:14Speaker 03

  Twitter.com?

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Twitter.com.

• 35:16Speaker 00

  They redesigned, they redesigned twitter.com.

• 35:17Speaker 03

  I go to that website a lot.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Um, wait, Emily, you use Twitter, um, in the browser?

• 35:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 35:23Speaker 03

  Why would I, why would I torture myself?

• 35:26Speaker 02

  With, with an app called TweetDeck?

• 35:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I hate, I hate that thing.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Information overload.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  I've used TweetDeck. I used to use HootSuite back in the day.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  Oh, HootSuite.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  I've used, I don't know.

• 35:36Speaker 04

  I'm getting horrible South by flashbacks right now.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  Oh my God. No, that's, that's all that HootSuite is to me now. Like it used to be my main console for an old job that I had. And now I just remember the, the HootSuite mobile.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  The mobile.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Um, okay. So now that we've got the-

• 35:53Speaker 00

  I could keep talking about Twitter, but I think-

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Entertainment experts.

• 35:55Speaker 00

  More importantly.

• 35:56Speaker 04

  So Dieter's very excited.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  I really can't wait to see that movie in theaters.

• 36:02Speaker 00

  Holy shit.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  I am, I am excited and I haven't even seen all the original Star Wars and I'm excited about that.

• 36:08Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  Okay, okay, come on.

• 36:12Speaker 00

  We were gonna talk about the new Star Wars trailer, we're gonna talk about The Force Awakens, but no, we're gonna spend the next forty-five minutes talking about the fact that Sam Shepard.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  Sam, why are you excited about it if you haven't, you have no idea how many times I've seen every single Star Wars movie, including the prequels.

• 36:26Speaker 00

  I just watched, I just watched two prequels last night.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  Okay, I've obsessed over these movies for most of my life and adult life.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  I'm sorry.

• 36:34Speaker 03

  And I am dead inside right now.

• 36:37Speaker 00

  Wait, you're dead inside?

• 36:38Speaker 03

  I'm just dead inside over it. I don't know, man, like.

• 36:41Speaker 00

  You don't think this is gonna be good?

• 36:42Speaker 02

  It's gonna be great.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  It's gonna be fine, but it's like, I wanna, I wanna wait, I wanna wait and watch the damn thing. Like, I don't, I, I cannot, I, I cannot stand all of this, like, it's a convention, four day convention about like, four pieces of content, like, like, a couple movies and a video game and the, the TV show. Like, but mostly about the movie and the trailer for it. It's like, it's out of control. I'm sorry, I'm hype checking this thing.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  You guys wanna switch places?

• 37:12Speaker 03

  I mean, no, and, and this is the thing, it's like, I, this is my strongest fan relationship with any, eh, property that exists is with Star, Star Wars.

• 37:21Speaker 00

  And you don't, you're not, you're not hyped, you're like, actually burned out already?

• 37:24Speaker 03

  I'm burned out already, I wanna wait, like, I'll get excited, like, this is the thing, is like, I wanna be excited in the weeks leading up to the film coming out.

• 37:31Speaker 00

  Right.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  And, and it's like, I, I, I, yeah, I just don't wanna think about it until then, like, what are we, what are we?

• 37:36Speaker 00

  We have to maintain this through to Christmas.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  Like, we really wanna know every single plot point and like.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  You get no plot points from that trailer.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  I know, but like, that, then the, the panels and stuff, it's just like.

• 37:46Speaker 00

  You get some, you get some plot points.

• 37:47Speaker 02

  It's the future.

• 37:48Speaker 00

  Somebody's in charge of the clone army. And that somebody is not the Empire because they have a different logo.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:54Speaker 00

  Yeah?

• 37:54Speaker 02

  Whole different thing.

• 37:55Speaker 00

  What?

• 37:56Speaker 02

  There's a new villain.

• 37:56Speaker 00

  I'm excited.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  The Sith or back, you know that.

• 37:58Speaker 00

  Well, you assume.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  The hand.

• 38:00Speaker 00

  Maybe they're like new Sith.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Right, or might be like, uh, Dark Force, like, Acolyte or something like this.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  Right, could be, could be the Sath.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  The sad.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  The Sids.

• 38:13Speaker 00

  No.

• 38:16Speaker 04

  So like.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  But how awesome is the idea of them like flying around through the ruins of a Star Destroyer that's been like marooned on a planet?

• 38:27Speaker 03

  That's cool. Like, I like, uh, yeah, I like, I like that shot. It's cool. It's like, it's just enough of a nod and it's not, yeah. I mean, a lot of the other stuff is just like, we're gonna bring back everything that like, I don't know. I, I think that I was almost more excited about the first trailer because it seemed to have more whole cloth reinvented stuff in it instead of like, ah, now we just got Luke talking. And then you get a shot of Chewie and Han at the end. It's like, I, I am excited about a new story and I'm excited about like, you know, figuring out what, you know, the different characters are going to be or what their roles are.

• 39:01Speaker 00

  Uh, I have a weird thing too, but you go first.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  Okay. So I'm willing to see this work and work really well, more than the prequels, because it's the difference of having like an established property and then making a prequel series that depends on the future. And now you have something that's set in the future of this previous property. So like you have all this like narrative, like, like work that's already been done that you can just extend as opposed to like, we have to build this background and kind of makes sense, even though like you kind of have to realize Darth Vader should know that Luke Skywalker is his son because he has to say it in last name. So.

• 39:36Speaker 00

  What a coinkydink.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  Right. So like this should probably work as well as Girl Meets World works as compared to Boy Meets World.

• 39:45Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  So, cause like you have all these background characters that you don't need to know, but if you do know them, then it's amazing.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  Like what background characters?

• 39:56Speaker 04

  Like you have Mr. Feen, well, you don't have Mr. Feen. You have Cory and Sean.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  No, you gotta use, you gotta use Star Wars.

• 40:01Speaker 00

  No, I, I thought maybe like, I'm like, oh man, Mr. Feeny, what, what race is he? What alien is he? That's awesome.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  You have Luke Leia, you have Han, you have Chewie, but you still have the central characters who are the new characters that you're supposed to care about.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:12Speaker 04

  So like if they're like.

• 40:13Speaker 00

  And it looks like they're setting up a, a structure of like the, of three people. So that there's that same sort of core dynamic amongst the main characters.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  Which is good. That's just like a good formula, I think that they have.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  So if you pull that down and it works, then oh, you have this like expanded universe of just like cool shit that is happening.

• 40:30Speaker 00

  Right. Um, the weird thing I was gonna say is watching the trailer, man, Luke Skywalker, not, not very good at building a fire. Darth's helmet was like only like, like one quarter melted.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  I bet it's been built to withstand a lot of stuff, though. I mean, it is Darth Vader, like, you know, he's gotta have some, I mean, yeah, it looks like it's sort of melted over a skull, kind of assumed the shape of the skull. There's like still some structural integrity of the skull, which is actually more surprising.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  Let's, let's, let's, let's get, get deep on this right now, you guys. Yeah, I don't know.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  New stormtroopers, sort of?

• 41:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  They look different.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  Thirty years go by, things kind of like round out a little bit.

• 41:16Speaker 00

  The thing that I'm happy about is, and I, cause I just watched the first two prequels to get ready, cause they, the, the things just came out on iTunes and Google Play and whatever else.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:26Speaker 00

  The thing that I realized I didn't hate as much, well, I mean, the thing I hated the most, I forgot how much I hated it, was, uh, these movies have got these giant battles, like these giant, like war battles that like feel like they have no real good stakes and there's no, it's all feels very CGI. And there's like just hundreds and thousands and tens of thousands of droids and troopers running around everywhere.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 41:50Speaker 00

  And like the camera is always at like 10,000 feet at this stuff. And like, I don't see that here. Like, all the action is right there on it. There's not massive numbers of droids.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  Like, those are the best action sequences of Star Wars, whether it's the speed or chase or, or any of the dogfights. It's like, it's like just two things and just exciting to watch. You know, it's like a Fast and Furious movie.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  It's not, yeah, it's not this huge abstract thing with all these little, uh, you know, artificial intelligence units clobbering each other. And it just looks like a video game. Like, there's actual identifiable ship characters that are interacting with each other.

• 42:31Speaker 04

  Benefit of practical effects?

• 42:33Speaker 00

  Let's talk, like, this is happening because Star Wars Celebration is going on, and this is the thing you're talking about, Emily, like, what is this thing? You guys watched the whole livestream. I, I didn't see any of it.

• 42:40Speaker 03

  I didn't watch it. I saw it.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  I saw the livestream, so basically you had Kathleen Kennedy and J.J. Abrams trotted out for this massive event for fans and for press and everything like this about the massive property of the Star Wars is now. And you had all the stars come out, the new ones, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac and Daisy Ridley. You had the old stars and Harrison Ford, because he's injured or convalescing.

• 43:06Speaker 00

  Also too cool for school.

• 43:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, totally. You had the droids, so like, you know, ball droid is hanging out.

• 43:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, BB-8, right?

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, BB-8.

• 43:14Speaker 00

  BB-8.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  And...

• 43:16Speaker 00

  Tom, what?

• 43:17Speaker 03

  BB-8 sounds like a club.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  They actually have like a ball rolling around with the head floating on it mechanically working live on stage.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  Magnets. Can we talk about that for like four seconds?

• 43:28Speaker 00

  How does that work?

• 43:29Speaker 02

  How does that work?

• 43:30Speaker 03

  I bet that's not real.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  I was blown away.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  That's a puppet.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  No, Brian was there.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Preacher shop.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  He, Brian was pretty convinced that it was real.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  There's like a little tiny person there holding a giant magnet and running around, like a hamster inside a ball.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Just in the stage.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know, I could see that working, I don't know. I don't know, rabbits.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  Cats. Small forest creatures.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  I was talking to Ryan briefly before this started and he was talking about, you know, he's gonna be doing a write-up of this, but just talking about how the fandom of Star Wars is sort of the most historically put upon or abused fandom of like the major franchises and how now there's just this outpouring of joy because they're getting the love that they want or feel that they deserve.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  I would have thought that would've been Trek, actually.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  No, Trek might have had low points, but they never had like as low. So here's my question, with all these new fans, like, or old fans coming back, are there fans that like had been sticking with it the whole time that are really mad at all these noobs coming in and pretending like they, like, they didn't stick around for the bad times, so they don't deserve to be back now? I could imagine there being a fan war.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  I don't know, I feel like, I don't, I don't ever get that sense from it of like, you didn't stick it through, like, because, no, but the people who stuck it through that didn't like that stuff. I think they didn't stick through it and like convince themselves to like it out of integrity or loyalty to their...

• 44:54Speaker 00

  I've definitely read stories of people convincing themselves that the prequels were great.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  Oh my god. I have a friend who does a podcast specifically about Star Wars Episode I, like...

• 45:03Speaker 00

  Like the whole podcast?

• 45:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've never listened to it, but yeah, do you know what I'm talking about?

• 45:08Speaker 04

  I know what you're talking about, yeah, it's pretty epic.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  I'm supposed to go on it soon.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  You totally should.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I think I'm of two minds of the, the whole fan thing, though, because I think now it's like overcorrection. I think that, I think it's totally true that Star Wars fans have been through some hard times and especially it's like they have this dad who keeps like yanking away the thing that they like or changing it or altering it. And, and there's just this very kind of, there's not this all out love for the creator of the thing that you like. There's a lot of angst there.

• 45:41Speaker 00

  Right.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  And now that it's just like you get everything you want, it sort of takes away some of the fun of being a Star Wars fan, which is getting to bitch and complain about

• 45:54Speaker 03

  your trilogy, like you had to buy your trilogy off of eBay from like a LaserDisc rip or whatever, because, because you wanted to have the actual classic version.

• 46:01Speaker 00

  Right.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Which I did.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Back in like 2003 or whatever, but yeah, I, I don't know. I, it's, it's, it's a different landscape now for being a Star Wars fan for sure. I mean, Disney has just realized that like, there's no end to the appetite that people will have for spinoff stuff, products, games, everything. And they're just like doubling down on it apparently. And so, I mean, I don't, from a commercial standpoint, yeah, sure, why not? From a, from a long time fan standpoint, I feel a little like alienated by it.

• 46:36Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, they're, they're gonna, this sounds like the stupidest thing I've ever said in my life, but I'm gonna say it. They're gonna Marvel Cinematic Universe it.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 00

  Right? Cause they're, they've got the core movies, but then there's gonna be all these other, like there's Rogue Squadron.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  That's not a stupid thing to say, like literally everything is going to become that, like Fast and Furious.

• 46:53Speaker 00

  But like the Star Wars was a universe to begin with. And they like, there was the expanded universe, whatever, but now they're gonna, they're, they're gonna chain movies together, sort of like.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:01Speaker 00

  So this is doing it, Transformers is doing it.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  Which is, oh my god.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  The worst.

• 47:07Speaker 00

  DC is trying desperately to do it.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, we could talk about that forever.

• 47:12Speaker 00

  So, how long is this gonna last? How long until these, these giant narrative universes break down and we can not, or is it just? We gonna live in this world for another decade.

• 47:22Speaker 04

  I give it a decade.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  I think there's gonna be a revolt. Like, I think people are gonna revolt at a certain point because no other kind of, it's gonna be, it's sort of like, like class stratification. It's like, there's only gonna be these huge franchise movies that make a bazillion dollars and have to make that much to keep the thing afloat. And then there's gonna be, like, the, the movies that are, are not that are gonna get tinier and tinier and tinier. It's just like, the, like, you're taking out the middle class of movies, basically.

• 47:50Speaker 00

  Right.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  And, and I think there's going to be, at a certain point, people are gonna push back from that, whether it's like filmmakers or, or people who just enjoy watching movies that aren't franchise movies, which, you know,

• 48:01Speaker 00

  Is that a Marxist critique of Hollywood?

• 48:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. I just made it up.

• 48:04Speaker 00

  Holy shit. But I feel like those, those middle-class movies are like now getting pushed into feeling like lower-class movies because so many of them are just like going direct to iTunes in a way that feels dismissive. Like, I, I want the idea of being able to release a movie direct to the internet in addition to theaters. And that seems great to me, but it seems like it's, whenever I see it, it's like, oh, the studio thinks this movie sucks.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  It's still like a kind of, it's a vestigial thing of like, oh, direct to DVD, like, that's, that's a dumpster-type thing to do. But, you know, like, a lot of films, especially indie-level films, if they go straight to VOD or whatever, that's, more people will see the movie, which honestly, those, those filmmakers are probably more interested in that than necessarily making a bunch of money. Like, they wanna break even and have a lot of people see their movie. Like, that, that's sort of the ideal scenario for a lot of those sorts of movies. Yeah, I was just like in line at the salad place during lunch and somebody was talking about their movie and how like they were, they only had a streaming deal for it. And they were kind of complaining about it. And I was like, I was gonna turn around and ask him about it, because I was like, that seems fine. Like, now, like, if you get a decent deal for it, then why not? Like, more people will actually see your movie, so.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  But yeah, anyway.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  Sam, pipe check this specific trailer.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  You know how I feel about this already. It's excellent. I think it's really well done. I mean, right now, hype checking, it's 10 out of 10 without question.

• 49:26Speaker 00

  Maximal hype.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Maximal hype. I mean, it just released the Star Wars official account, the tweet that it tweeted has like 20,000 retweets already.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  Oh, it's, oh, that's, it's a really good trailer then.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  No, I would say the hype surrounding it, the hype surrounding it is definitely approaching dangerous levels. But yeah, I don't know. I think it's really well shot. I love the color grading on it. It makes it look like it was shot in the 70s.

• 49:54Speaker 03

  You know what I will say? Oscar Isaac, and this has been proven a couple of times before, because he gets cast a lot in movies that take place in the 60s or 70s. But he looks like such a 70s actor that when he suited up like in his X-wing gear, you're like, yeah, that's that. Like, this actually makes me feel the way that the original trilogy did. I can't, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing him in it. He's amazing. He's great.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  He's a great actor. He really is.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  My one thing, so J.J. Abrams is only directing the first one, right?

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  Ryan Johnson is doing the second one.

• 50:21Speaker 00

  Right. I'm excited about Ryan Johnson doing the second one, but I'm also excited that J.J. Abrams is only directing one. Because I feel like he can't maintain through, like, he did the second Star Trek one, right? Not, not impressed.

• 50:33Speaker 04

  Not good.

• 50:34Speaker 00

  He walked away from Lost, I think Alias dragged, like, I don't know, I feel like-

• 50:37Speaker 03

  He doesn't know how to, like, he can intro things really well. I think that's, I think that's probably smart, even though I'm not a big fan of his. But it is smart to have him do the table setting. Because I think he's good at that, like, in a very, like, kind of, whatever, empirical way, or not empirical, objective way. Like, he can, he can set up a thing, make you excited about meeting these new characters and stuff like that. Yeah, it's, it's the follow through. It's like-

• 51:01Speaker 02

  Raising the bar after that.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  Tying up the loose ends and stuff that he can't really do. So, yeah, I'm, I'm more interested in the second and third parts.

• 51:09Speaker 04

  Ryan Johnson's take will probably be, be pretty great.

• 51:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, better.

• 51:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:15Speaker 00

  Just saying.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  Just has to be.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  All right. Any, any other Star Wars thoughts? I mean, there's a bunch of entertainment stuff. That's why, why I wanted you guys on. There's other stuff we could talk about.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Culture.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Avengers.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  Taking over.

• 51:25Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  What happened?

• 51:27Speaker 02

  Let's- Avengers, didn't the Avengers-

• 51:31Speaker 04

  I'm tired of Avengers.

• 51:33Speaker 00

  Tired of Avengers.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  High check Avengers?

• 51:35Speaker 03

  I'm ready for, I'm ready-

• 51:36Speaker 00

  Zero.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Not zero.

• 51:38Speaker 03

  Yes! It's over.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  No.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Our international nightmare is almost over.

• 51:44Speaker 04

  It's not. Here's the thing.

• 51:46Speaker 00

  Aren't you like, it just doesn't look good.

• 51:48Speaker 04

  It looks.

• 51:49Speaker 00

  Not good.

• 51:50Speaker 04

  Okay, so having, it's one of those things where it's like, the buzz is good, but it's, the stakes are way too high. Everything that's gonna happen after this movie rides on this movie in terms of just execution and setting shit up and making you want to see movies like Ant-Man, because it just has to. And I don't know if it can. I'm in, I'm bought in. I'm gonna see it, I'm gonna see it again.

• 52:14Speaker 00

  I just, this is, this, this to me feels like it's gonna be like the, what was the really bad X-Men movie?

• 52:20Speaker 04

  Oh, it's my three.

• 52:21Speaker 00

  This feels like it's gonna, that it's gonna go the way of three, where it's just like too much going on, not very well.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  Three was just like a change of director too, which was disastrous.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  Brett Ratner will never be forgiven for that.

• 52:32Speaker 03

  He'll never be forgiven for a lot of things.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, I, I, I feel like maybe though, to your point, Kwame, it's too big to fail, to bring it back to economics. Like, they have this much stuff slated that's riding on the success of this movie. I don't know, they'll, they'll hurt people in at gunpoint and get them to watch this movie.

• 52:58Speaker 04

  Like, it's gonna make a ton of money.

• 52:59Speaker 03

  We cannot ruin the next 20 years of our slate. Like, if this doesn't work out, we have to, we have to cancel all these movies. Like, this is a disaster.

• 53:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  I mean, and that's sort of, yeah, that's the, that's the problem with this. Yeah.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  For what it's worth, I think just by sheer force of will, Kevin Feige and Joss Whitten will probably just be like, if it's not gonna be amazing, it'll be just good, and that'll be fine. And they'll just move on and like, keep getting you to the theater to watch these movies.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:26Speaker 04

  And that's all they have to do.

• 53:28Speaker 00

  Brett Ratner hasn't done a single good thing since Rush Hour.

• 53:32Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 53:33Speaker 00

  And directed, anyway.

• 53:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  He's famously the worst.

• 53:37Speaker 00

  God, I had no idea it was so bad.

• 53:39Speaker 04

  He's a bad, he's a bad director.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  He's not good at his job. He's not good at his, he has a job and he's not good at it.

• 53:44Speaker 00

  Power Heist? What's Cop House? I don't even know.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Cop House sounds great.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  After the Sunset, what is that? Red Dragon? Man, man.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  He did Red Dragon.

• 53:53Speaker 00

  Apologize for everything.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  Sorry, completely distracted.

• 53:59Speaker 02

  Ant-Man looks good.

• 54:00Speaker 03

  Are you?

• 54:01Speaker 00

  Does it?

• 54:01Speaker 02

  The trailer.

• 54:02Speaker 04

  I have a lot of problems.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  No?

• 54:04Speaker 04

  I mean, I'm.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  It's a tiny little man. I'm sorry, I've been writing a song about gifts.

• 54:11Speaker 04

  Emily sings.

• 54:11Speaker 03

  I've been writing this song about gifts that I'm about to post on the website.

• 54:14Speaker 00

  Oh, God.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  And so now I'm singing everything.

• 54:18Speaker 00

  Can you preview the song?

• 54:20Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:22Speaker 00

  She's not happy about this. Not happy at all. You don't have to. You could save it.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  No, I'll preview it when we find it.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  Let's drop a bomb on that song. I'm so sorry.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  What?

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Um.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  When a movie's coming out and you're so empty you could shout and a trailer never seems to do the trick. When you must express your thoughts about every single shot, pal, I know the kind of content you should pay.

• 54:50Speaker 00

  I'm so happy.

• 54:51Speaker 03

  That's just the intro.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  John needs to write the music for this. We need to score this right now.

• 54:56Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then there's a bracket. It says two times tempo because it speeds up in my mind after that. It gets really like, like rapid fire, like gifts, like that. Yeah.

• 55:06Speaker 00

  Awesome. Gifts?

• 55:08Speaker 04

  Gifts.

• 55:08Speaker 00

  Gifts.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  Ryan Gosling is in negotiations to star in the Blade Runner sequel. Just broke. Talk about it, movie experts.

• 55:19Speaker 04

  I'm for it.

• 55:20Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 55:20Speaker 04

  Ryan Gosling's cool. I'm for it.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  I want to see his movie that he directed. I've heard nothing but good things about it. I'm interested in Ryan Gosling, the director. I think he like, yeah. I think he, just from the sounds of it, just like, just the stuff in the, I'm sorry, now I'm talking about Ryan Gosling as director. I don't know anything about this Blade Runner movie or like.

• 55:40Speaker 00

  Who's directing it? Is it Ridley?

• 55:42Speaker 04

  It's Ridley.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  It is Ridley.

• 55:43Speaker 00

  That then.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Executive producer is Ridley.

• 55:47Speaker 00

  Oh, if you're executive producing, then I have faith that it'll be good, maybe. I don't know. I, I, this is one of these movies that I wish were never, was not getting made, a Blade Runner sequel.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  That's fair. I mean.

• 55:59Speaker 00

  I don't want it.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  I don't want it either. Again, Blade Runner, one of my favorite things.

• 56:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, no.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  Don't want it.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  One of, one of the best sci-fi movies.

• 56:08Speaker 03

  The real version. The real version.

• 56:10Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  Oh, let's not do this.

• 56:12Speaker 00

  So, I don't know if you're aware of this, but the, the longest email thread in the history of The Verge was we decided to have a movie night. And then we argued about which cut of Blade Runner we should watch. It went on for literally like 300 emails.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Wait, what did, would you end up watching?

• 56:30Speaker 00

  I think we gave up because we couldn't agree. Like, it tore us apart.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  Wow. Okay. Well, we'll, we'll table this for later.

• 56:36Speaker 00

  No, no, no. Where do you, where do you, where do you stand?

• 56:39Speaker 03

  Uh, the director's cut.

• 56:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  It's like, after a while, that was the only thing you could even get. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I haven't, I don't think I've even seen the most recent one.

• 56:49Speaker 00

  Neither I.

• 56:50Speaker 03

  No.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  What is it called? The final cut or?

• 56:52Speaker 03

  Or the cut ultimate. Um, yeah, Blade Runner movie. I mean, fine. We'll just make up a new, like, like, there are so many good new movies about androids and about AI and stuff like that. Ex Machina, like, anything. It's, it's her. Like, I don't know. I feel like we're doing a pretty good job with continuing this tradition of storytelling. Like, we don't need to go back and do it again. Like, but that's just me. That's just me.

• 57:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know. But yeah, I want to see Lost River. Anyway, talk about a movie that nobody's heard of.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, what's Lost River?

• 57:33Speaker 03

  Um, it's his movie. Uh, Van Gogh's, Van Gogh's directorial debut. Also, uh, speaking of actors making directorial debuts, something I'd never heard of until today when it was announced in the Cannes lineup. Natalie Portman's first movie is going to be premiering at the Cannes Film Festival.

• 57:49Speaker 00

  That's pretty awesome, actually.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  And I don't know anything about it, but I will see it.

• 57:53Speaker 00

  When is Cannes?

• 57:54Speaker 03

  Cannes is in a month. It starts on. On May 13.

• 57:57Speaker 00

  And you're going?

• 57:58Speaker 03

  I'm going.

• 57:59Speaker 00

  And are you?

• 58:00Speaker 03

  I'm just going.

• 58:01Speaker 00

  You're just going? You're not excited? You're not happy?

• 58:03Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm really, really excited. I'm incredibly excited. I'm trying to play it cool right now, but I am like, I am like, this is my, this is my hype check. Like, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm, I think all my enthusiasm is going towards going to Cannes. Uh, and I don't have anything left for Star Wars right now, but it'll get, it'll get its turn.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  Emily, will you see Star Wars in theaters?

• 58:24Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  I'll see it, I'll see it like as, as soon as I can. Yeah.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  You just don't want to think about it until it comes time to watch it?

• 58:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, because I just, it's, I feel like I've gone through this kind of thing with, I, I feel like I learned that lesson so early on. Like I, do you guys remember when a trailer would come out and it was an MOV file? And you had to wait for it to load in this little window? And so you would, you kept checking on it and you would play it and you'd get, oh, I have like a half more a second. Like that level, like it forces you to scrutinize a trailer and I feel like I've done that. Like I remember doing that for, I was really excited about Moulin Rouge before I came out. I remember watching that trailer a bunch of times. Um, like, yeah.

• 59:08Speaker 00

  I love that movie.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  No, I do.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  I haven't seen it in a while. I was, I think it was one of the first DVDs I ever had.

• 59:16Speaker 00

  It's not good.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  It's a, it's, it's a vision.

• 59:18Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  It's a vision.

• 59:19Speaker 00

  The way you feel about Moulin Rouge is the way that I feel about Romeo and Juliet. Really? Actually, I kind of like that movie, but I also know it's objectively bad.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  Oh, I thought you meant, oh, you think it's objectively bad?

• 59:30Speaker 00

  I think it's objectively bad, but I love it.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  I love Romeo and Juliet. It is good. It is a successful movie.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  Basically, I, I love bad Leonardo DiCaprio movies.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  The Leonardo DiCaprio with a little bit of like the lock coming down in front of his face, a little bit of a wet strand of hair. Like he always just got out of a pool, like, yeah. I was never even into him in that area, but I don't know. I liked that movie a lot.

• 59:54Speaker 03

  Sam.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 59:55Speaker 00

  Why don't you give us two socials? We're gonna wrap it up.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  Oh, the cast is over.

• 1:00:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:00:01Speaker 00

  The cast is over.

• 1:00:03Speaker 03

  Can we, can we, can we hype check Game of Thrones?

• 1:00:06Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, the cast is gonna be on for another half an hour. I apologize. So, if you're not aware, Emily has put together a fantasy league called the Game of Game of Thrones, where people on the Verge staff got to pick characters and you get points for wearing incredible dresses or performing a sweet execution or killer lines.

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  Sass.

• 1:00:31Speaker 00

  Sass, nakedness. What else do you get points for?

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  Incest.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  Incest. You can lose points if you're in a bad plot, which, you know, we'll find out who gets stuck in a bad plot this season. But yeah, it's a, if you can kill, I think if you kill a dragon, which I don't know if anybody's gonna kill a dragon, but I put it on there just in case.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's not just about kills. It's about just owning the season in general.

• 1:00:57Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  Having the best moments.

• 1:00:59Speaker 00

  So, two things. One, there'll be recaps that score these things up. And when you see the recap on our site and it's like, this is, this is a post about this episode, yes, there's going to be spoilers. Oh, my God. Of course, like, we're discussing the episode. It's an episode recap.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  There might also be spoilers for something that happened last season.

• 1:01:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

  Prepare yourself. I don't know. I feel a little bit bad about that, but not really.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  What is supposed to happen?

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  If you're reading the recap, you're going to be spoiled.

• 1:01:30Speaker 00

  Uh, two, there's a spoiler coming right now. The first episode of the season was an unmitigated disaster for our hero Dieter Bone and his Game of Thrones fantasy team.

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  Now, okay, I wanted to talk to you about this because you read the books and you picked Mance. And when I saw you picked Mance, I didn't say anything because I already seen the episode, but I was like, that must not have happened in the books, that, the way that he died.

• 1:01:56Speaker 00

  Can I spoil the books and the episode right now?

• 1:01:59Speaker 04

  Don't do it.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  Don't do it.

• 1:02:00Speaker 00

  Can I do it? Well, we already spoiled part of it.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  I wouldn't do it.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  We stayed there for the end.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  Let's just say that it happens, it happens in the books, but there's a twist.

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:02:10Speaker 00

  That, that apparently is not gonna make it into the TV series, but the twist would have been like, the biggest, hugest, like, oh, Dieter, you're so smart moment.

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  And I don't think that I'm gonna get the twist.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  Cause he takes somebody with him?

• 1:02:26Speaker 00

  No. I can, I can tell you offline. I can tell you right now, if you're listening and you don't want the Game of Thrones books ruined, close your ears.

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  But does this hurt my enjoyment of the show?

• 1:02:38Speaker 00

  I mean, who knows if it'll happen in the show or not? I don't think it's gonna happen on the show.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:02:42Speaker 00

  But in the books, it's not him. He, it is somebody else who is glamored to look like him and he comes back later.

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:02:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  But you don't think that's gonna happen?

• 1:02:51Speaker 00

  I do not, because the actor said, like publicly, like, oh, I got the script. I was expecting to like have this thing happen. And instead I'm only in it for like an episode, so bye.

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  He was great too.

• 1:03:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's a great character.

• 1:03:04Speaker 00

  No, he's a great actor. He's a great character, but for some reason in the TV series, he just came off as like this dour dude.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  Like not that interesting.

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 00

  Same thing, like, I don't know, people have got lots of feelings about Jon Snow in the series. I think he's fine.

• 1:03:18Speaker 04

  I think he's fine.

• 1:03:18Speaker 00

  I don't think he was that interesting in the books anyway. And he's fine.

• 1:03:22Speaker 04

  Here's the thing with Jon Snow, and Vox wrote a long thing about like how it might be a problem, is that he's boring and he doesn't do anything. I think he does things, but he's constrained to the whole high fantasy, you know, dead people walking thing.

• 1:03:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  Do you think, um, do you think that it would be, what are the merits and what are the, the, the disadvantages of having the wildlings be white?

• 1:03:44Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:03:46Speaker 00

  So. There, the, the, the merits are, in theory, you look at Nordic countries on our planet.

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 1:03:56Speaker 00

  And those are some white folks.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:58Speaker 00

  Uh, I speak as a Swede, right?

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:02Speaker 00

  The disadvantage is what?

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  Well, the thing is, that's the thing is that like, I feel like a lot of the, the, the, the way that we visually relate to that kind of character, like Manceryder is like, he's been on this land forever, like he's like an equivalent of a Native American or whatever. It's like, he's got this nobility and stuff and he's like, these, these dudes are just tearing up shit and, and he can't deal with it.

• 1:04:24Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Uh, and, and that it's just a little bit, he looks like just another white guy in furs. On the show and it's hard to differentiate like unless you are really, really deep in the lore and you're like, oh yes, it's a wildling and that is definitely a different kind of person than the guys on the wall. I don't know. That's just my, my two cents about why it's hard to differ, why that character doesn't stand out or, or seems to blend in with. Also, it's just that the color palette in, in the north is very, very dull. That's when I go get a snack.

• 1:04:56Speaker 03

  Anyway.

• 1:04:58Speaker 00

  I'd rather hang out in the north than, than with Daenerys and Marine right now.

• 1:05:03Speaker 04

  Oh no, that's.

• 1:05:04Speaker 00

  It's super just not exciting to me, even a little.

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I kind of appreciate that storyline though, because it's like, it's, I, I think it's fun to see a character go from like badass that everybody loves to just get like getting mired in politics. Just like Obama.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  It's fun.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  It's really fun.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  Love it. Love it. If I had my druthers though, I would recast the Starks, like Ned Stark would be Idris Elba. Just putting that out there.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Just, yeah, yeah. Okay. You would cast him as everybody though.

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  It's your Twitter name.

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  A reboot of Orphan Black, but all Idris Elba's.

• 1:05:46Speaker 04

  Oh God. See, I would watch it then.

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  I would too.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Well, we, Showbiz has our notes. They know what we want.

• 1:05:56Speaker 00

  All right. Now socialist Sam.

• 1:05:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:58Speaker 00

  Hello. You get two.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  Hello.

• 1:06:01Speaker 00

  Three.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  Just, just for the people that don't know, our usual producer is, was out today and Jordan is filling in. So just, hey, Jordan. You should follow us on Snapchat. I say this every week, I feel like, but we do really cool stuff there.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  I, there's no be for bust on it right now, so I might go film one after. You should follow us on Snapchat. We are the real verge on Snapchat. And you should follow us on Twitter. We are at verge on Twitter. I am at Sam Sheffer. Emily is at Emily Oshida. Dieter is at Backlon and Kwame is Kwame Opam.

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  I'm the only one who doesn't use his real name.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Cause he's too cool for school and I'm gonna.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  What does that mean?

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  And I'm gonna lob it back to you, Dieter.

• 1:06:46Speaker 00

  Uh, that's all the socials? Oh, my God.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:51Speaker 00

  Just leaving it on Old Han. Old Han. That's one word, by the way.

• 1:06:55Speaker 03

  Old Han.

• 1:06:57Speaker 00

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• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Bye.

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