Spoken like a true snake person

This week we have a special Google I/O edition of the Vergecast, guest hosted by Ross Miller, Emily Yoshida, Dan Seifert, and Sam Sheffer. They discuss the announcements out of the keynote, including Now on Tap, Photos, Android M, Cardboard, and the fact that Dan cannot tell his own children apart. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

• 0:06Speaker 00

  Hello and welcome to The Vergecast's Google I/O special. It is May 28, 2015. And yeah, just as you've noticed, I am not Neelai Patel. Neelai is in Los Angeles. Dieter is in San Francisco covering Google I/O, and we'll talk about what he's basically reported to us. But joining me instead, as always, is Emily Yoshida.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  As always.

• 0:26Speaker 00

  Well, you know, you're here a lot more. You're here more often than any of us right now.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  Right now, I am a mainstay.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  The closest thing we have to a regular now.

• 0:32Speaker 00

  You've got a pretty good streak going here for The Vergecast.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 0:35Speaker 00

  And also, to my left, Dan Seifert, Senior Tech Editor. Is that right?

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure. Also not Neelai Patel.

• 0:43Speaker 00

  Preeminent Google expert.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, let's just go with that for today.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  And of course, who has not left a seat for months, Sam Scheffer.

• 0:50Speaker 03

  Hi, I'm Neelai Patel. How's it going?

• 0:52Speaker 00

  Her swagasty.

• 0:53Speaker 03

  Her swagasty.

• 0:54Speaker 00

  We've not changed that title card.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  And discuss all the ways in which we are the most like and the least like Neelai Patel.

• 1:01Speaker 00

  Well, I'm lacking any wristwear, so I cannot be Neelai Patel.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, we all, yeah, none of us could ever be Neelai.

• 1:07Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  We could just never live up.

• 1:09Speaker 00

  We cannot. But, okay, so today's episode is entirely about Google. There's been other things that have happened in the news this week. We will talk about that next week when Neelai and Dieter return. Today, though, we're going to talk about Google I/O. The keynote just ended about an hour ago, to give people a frame of reference. And there was a lot, a lot, talked about in two and a half hours, which actually was shorter than most. I think they're usually like three hours in the years past.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, Google kind of like flip flops on them. Sometimes they go super long, has these like bladder buster events. And then other times, they're like, keep it really tight. So this year was kind of in the middle. It was long enough. It was long enough. Let's just say that.

• 1:45Speaker 00

  And Emily, I'm so sorry. I asked you to try to watch the Google I/O conference. It's probably the first developer conference, I think, you might have seen.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  No, I mean, what counts as a developer conference?

• 1:54Speaker 00

  Anytime when someone's coding onstage.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Oh, well, that just seemed like, that just seemed like they were just trying to keep it real. Like, I mean, I feel like a lot, there are a lot of things that look like that, where you've got somebody wearing a Britney Mikes, like, parading across the stage and showing you some new things. Like, you know, we saw, you know, lots of that, obviously, at CES and like any Apple keynote, something like that. But I thought the coding was a nice touch. It was like, oh, yeah, this is a nod back to where it all starts. The codes. Tune into my new podcast, you guys, The Codes, where I talk all about coding, the thing I know the most about.

• 2:35Speaker 00

  I will say, though, it did feel actually somewhat coding-like. I remember last year, I think, where they actually did create an entire app onstage from scratch.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Well, I'll say I appreciate that about it. Not so much like how the coding works, but I appreciated when they were talking about like voice recognition for doing Google searches on like some of the Android Wear stuff or something and just about, you know, kind of breaking down how the apps recognize speech and, you know, spit back an answer for you that's something close to what you wanted. I like that. Instead of just like, I feel like the Apple approach is usually like, it's magic.

• 3:14Speaker 00

  Google I/O is always interesting because like it's a conference for programmers and that's like an entire Moscone Center, like just thousands of programmers who if you say API or SDK, they will clap and cheer.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  And they did a lot.

• 3:25Speaker 00

  It's amazing.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  When Sundar Pichai came onstage, the house came down.

• 3:29Speaker 00

  I think someone said copy and paste one time and people just like lost their mind. It was great.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Wait, just for the act of copy and pasting?

• 3:36Speaker 00

  They cleaned up the UI for copy and paste. We'll get to that actually. We'll get to that right now.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  It's a key bullet point here. The copy and paste is better.

• 3:43Speaker 00

  The improved copy and paste for Android. It's one of many new features for Android M. This is the next version.

• 3:51Speaker 00

  Dan, actually, can you give like the highlights of what happened with Android M? Because this is not like no flagship feature. It's just a lot of like small improvements, right?

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Right. So we knew Android M was coming. That was no surprise. Google officially set it onstage, so I guess it makes Android M official. We don't know the version number. We don't know the name of it yet. Probably won't know until this fall when it's actually fully released. So it's a developer preview right now. And the best way that I can describe Android M is if you are familiar with macOS 10, it's like Google's snow leopard, where they are not really adding a whole ton of new features that you can see and use, but they are going back and making it work better and make it more reliable, fixing things like copy and paste. User interfaces and adding some better efficiency and stuff like that.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  But there's not a whole lot to talk about in terms of like brand spanking new features. Last year, when they announced Lollipop, they completely changed the way Android looked. And it was a whole visual type of thing changed. This is a lot on the backend, which is great because it makes a better experience when you're using the phone. It doesn't crash, maybe lasts longer on your battery, isn't as frustrating to use. But it's it's a little harder to get excited about.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a bad thing, though, because like, and that's the thing. Most times we see the conference, we're looking for that flagship feature. There's just a lot of good, like, cleaning up shit at this time. And like, I really am happy for that.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, one of the big things, it seems like every time Google announces a new version of Android, they say that the battery life is better than the version before it. I'm pretty sure I've heard them say that since 2009.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  But they are making that a big bullet point this year with Android M. They've got a new feature called Doze, which apparently manages background processes a lot better. So if your device is sitting still for a while, it will have better standby battery life, which is kind of a perennial problem with Android. If even if you like, don't touch your phone for a day, you can like lose half the battery life. And there's like no particular reason why. So hopefully that's fixed and it's kind of something that Apple devices and iOS have always done a really good job with. Just like not dying while they're sitting on a table.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  So maybe maybe they've figured it out this time around.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Can I zoom out real quick with a maybe dumb question?

• 6:06Speaker 00

  No, no, please, please do.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Okay, so so when you're it's kind of easy to understand why you have an event like this when you have a new product or something that you're showing people, which some of this was new products. But when you're doing something like what you're talking about, where it's just like making things work better in a way that's not necessarily something super visual. What's the benefit of being up on stage in front of people who are coders and talking to them about it? Like, why is this? Why is this something that's trending on Twitter? You know.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  It's, I think it's an attention grab and I think that there's enough interest from the community, um, the nerds out there that want to tune into this stuff. And I think Google knows that they can draw attention and if they do it in the form of event, it's like all of the information is contained in this one ball of an event and it, I think, makes things easier to consume. Uh, that's my take.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think in so many ways, it's like, it's the state of the union for Google.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:03Speaker 00

  To take over everything we have. I, it does come down, I think the interest to me is always like, how much time do they allot each piece?

• 7:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:09Speaker 00

  And so even though it like, on surface level, there's not a lot of like, eye popping features for Android M. I mean, it is to them like, it's not as, it doesn't make as much money as search for them, but it is like their big piece.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's the, it's a piece of software that touches the most number of people around the world. More people use Android devices than anything else. Uh, and, and you know, like Sam and Ross just said, uh, Google has to say what they're doing with Android. Uh, they're doing it in front of a bunch of developers who can now, uh, take these new tools and permissions and capabilities and put them into their apps and make their apps work better and stuff like that. So that kind of makes sense for their, that they can speak to the whole developer community all at once. Um, but yeah, as far as like, there's, there was no like product announcements at this I O and I, and we're gonna, I think, get to say that, but like, there's no, there's no walking away from it being like, oh, there's this new cool phone coming. It's just like.

• 8:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think, I think the, the shortest answer is they had to say something because they had to say something. Like, it's just tradition for them to do the keynote and like, if they don't devote time to Android M, that's the weirder part.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  What about the VR stuff though? Isn't that new? The jump thing?

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  That's one part that I, um, paid attention to.

• 8:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, let's actually, let's go ahead, let's go ahead and just jump to VR. Cause actually that was the most exciting thing for me.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that seemed like genuinely new stuff.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, VR is like the, like the VR part of it was, I feel like the most future looking thing, uh, as far as like, oh, there's some other things that are coming soon, but like, uh, so.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  Just to go over what they did, they announced this new platform called Jump that supposedly makes it easier for you to build VR videos. They also announced a new version of Google Cardboard that works with bigger phones like the Nexus 6 and works with the iPhone. So there's VR accessible to more people and they have this new platform to make VR videos that will go into cardboard.

• 8:59Speaker 00

  Let's start there. I want to talk about both. I actually want to start with cardboard. And cardboard came out last year, right?

• 9:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I believe so, yeah.

• 9:05Speaker 00

  Which is, I am so excited about this because to contrast with another story, like the Oculus Rift guys are like saying if you want a full Oculus Rift experience, that could cost over $1,500. This is cardboard in a phone you already have.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  It costs $15.

• 9:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, basically.

• 9:21Speaker 02

  It's pretty much the anti Oculus.

• 9:22Speaker 00

  It's the anti Oculus, but it actually works surprisingly well. I mean, it's nowhere near the Oculus level experience.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  I think it's a completely different take on virtual reality than what Oculus is doing. Oculus is doing this super immersive, really in-depth thing that wants to pull you into it and take you away from the world that you're in and keep you there for quite a while, right, to make its value worthwhile. Cardboard is like snackable VR. You hold it up, you hold it up until your arms get tired, which is like two minutes and then you move on with the rest of your life. Have you ever held your arms up like above your head?

• 9:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know why they don't include the strap with those, with cardboard. Is it meant, is it purposely designed so you sort of go in and go out rather than like strap in?

• 10:05Speaker 02

  I don't think any of the content is deep enough to justify strapping in. Like they're all very brief experiences.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's like kind of a more immersive version of looking at a photo taken in panorama mode on your phone. Yeah, but you can actually see it up close now.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, and like you can do some augmented reality stuff with it so that like it can overlay on your actual field of view and stuff like that, but none of it is like, like there's some real basic games, but there's no whatever like real in-depth game. There's no portal for this.

• 10:37Speaker 00

  No, but I mean, like it is, in such a weird way, it's a gateway drug for virtual reality.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  Because it's like, and I know this is dumb because like I was just, it just came out for iPhone today. And so we were playing with it upstairs before we started. And I don't know, like I got giddy like the first time I played Oculus Rift because I didn't have to have anything special for it. It was literally just my phone and a piece of cardboard.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, you still make the stupid VR face when you wear it. You just can't avoid it.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Is that just like an overbite type thing? Oh, no, it's the wondering.

• 11:06Speaker 00

  It's the wonder or another way to look at it's like the mouth open because he forgot to close it.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  It's a little tiny bit of drool.

• 11:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. So if you get if the iPhone users who've never used the Android Harbor experience, download it, give it a shot. There's, what is it? You can look at 3D models of like statues.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 11:24Speaker 00

  You can look at street view. So if you just want to like, look at a Paris, a Parisian road, you can just do that.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  You can just play Mist in like any place in the world.

• 11:32Speaker 00

  They really should put Mist on this immediately.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 11:36Speaker 00

  That would be the exciting thing. But yeah, so it's like super cheap and now it's a multi-platform. It's the other big phone platform. So I think, you know, I'm looking forward to seeing things that are snack sized, but also bigger.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, Google seems to have bigger ambitions for it. They, they talked a lot about how they want to incorporate it into educational programs so that kids can go to school and go on these virtual field trips without ever leaving the school. Which I don't know if you ask, that sounds really cool, but I remember being a kid and like field trip day was like the best day of the year. So like, I don't know. I guess it's cool if you get to travel across the world.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Is it more, does it cost more or less to get cardboard for a bunch of kids or to take them to the zoo?

• 12:15Speaker 02

  Well, if the zoo is in like Cairo, Egypt, and they're in like Iowa, then yeah, it's probably cheaper to just give them smartphones and cardboard.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 12:25Speaker 00

  Very good point. I don't know, I get excited. I, I, I think the, the internal chat in chat room was a little divided in this one. I am super excited for that because like, I know it's like my mom's a teacher and like a lot of her students like have never left the countryside. Of like, just like a South Georgia, like little city, like they've never even seen Atlanta, which is like the big metropolitan area, like 20 miles away. So I, I would love to see them like do, it's not obviously like. The same as actually going to a city, but like they can actually kind of like slightly immerse themselves into something.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Like it's.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  I mean, it'd be really cool to have an educational experience where you are walking along the Great Wall of China or something like that. Something that never you could have done in a feasible way with a group of elementary school students.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Do you think that takes away the curiosity then from some people like I have no idea what it like I actually speaking personally, I have no idea what it feels like to walk on the Great Wall of China. Which it's not my, he's not even my top 20 list of things that I want to do, but I'm curious about it. Like I'm curious about what it looks like. Do you think that something like this, it's sort of like an intermediate step in between not having any idea and having been there. Is that, does that change how curious kids are then? I don't know.

• 13:41Speaker 02

  I don't know. Yes.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  I'm taking this conversation there.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna take the optimistic route on this and I'm gonna say this is better than turning the lights off and putting in the VHS documentary of the Great Wall of China and watching it for an hour. You're, you're going to involve the kids more. They're going to have more excitement about doing it, maybe learn a little bit more, maybe have a better idea of what the experience is actually like. And then the kids that have the ability and the fortunate circumstances to go to China and walk on the Great Wall are still going to go do that.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  But that is also like, there is that fear, just to take the other approach is like, well, this is good enough. Like I don't need to go to the Great Wall of China anymore because I just had the virtual reality goggles.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  But I think the, the reality is that most people aren't going to go to the Great Wall of China for like whatever reason.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Economic circumstances, you know, time, et cetera. It's on the other side of the world.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  It's not interesting.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  It's not my thing.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:32Speaker 00

  I tried it before I bought it.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Not into wonder. Um, yeah, I don't know. But I mean, I, I can definitely like the, the educational aspect of this. And also like, I'm, I'm wondering what, what kinds of experiences will be.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Considered obsolete after something like this, like something where, oh, I genuinely didn't need to go travel for this. There's nothing added from the physical experience of being there.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  I hope it makes CES obsolete.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, something like that, though. I mean, we have live streams and stuff, right? If you didn't have to walk all over the place, if you could just have your live stream and like, maybe you could, you could like, oh, no, this is, this is what's gonna be fun when you can like rent somebody who will walk the floors for you and have the live stream of what they see.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  Rent somebody.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Suddenly we got to human trafficking.

• 15:27Speaker 00

  Okay, I'm gonna try this. I'm gonna try for a segue. Are you guys ready for the segue?

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:31Speaker 00

  You know what that guy's gonna be wearing? He's gonna be wearing that new Google Jump rig.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:36Speaker 00

  So this is, well, this is the other thing, the other announcement. God, that was actually a really bad segue. I don't know why I hyped that up.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  No, that's exactly what I was thinking, though. So, yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 00

  Thank you for the setup. I just did not take it there. Anyway, let's, so here's the other part of the Google Virtual Reality announcement. It's Jump. It's plans that you can download yourselves and make your own virtual reality camera rig, which may involve 16 cameras of various quality. GoPro released their own kind of custom model for this.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  It is a spaceship.

• 16:02Speaker 00

  It is a spaceship.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  And it just goes around your head?

• 16:05Speaker 02

  It's 16 cameras in a circle, kind of like, I guess you'd wear like a crown. And you got 16 GoPros and they are constantly recording. And then the Jump platform, what that does is takes the footage from those, puts it all together with, stitches them together and stuff like that. So you don't see like the different cuts from each camera and then puts it in a format that you can use with cardboard or whatever other VR system you want to use. Kind of cool. I think that's like more the future thing. I mean, like, because how much is that gonna cost? Like, maybe it's cool for, for, God, I'm gonna say this word, aren't I? Content creators to make great content.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 16:51Speaker 02

  Because like, you've got to figure you invest, I don't know, a GoPro is like 400 bucks. So like 16 times 400.

• 16:56Speaker 00

  You can get a GoPro for like 130. I only know that because I just looked it up. But not a great GoPro.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  So that's like, so maybe, you know, a $2,000 rig is like, you know, not too bad, I guess.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  Well, this seems like the first real effort to do like, do the Neuromancer thing where you can, like I was talking about renting people. I'm all about renting people here. But like, you know, how people would have shows kind of from their point of view that you could tap into. So it's like, I'm gonna go live in this person's body, like at least, or at least through their eyes for a while, which seems like it has all sorts of fun connotations. But this seems like the first, like, as opposed to just like having a live stream of somebody with like a single GoPro strapped to their head, like suddenly being able to have the whole experience or being able to livestream that seems like it opens up a whole world of entertainment possibilities.

• 17:48Speaker 00

  A brand new, just a brand new reality genre.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  It's a brand, it's a brand new way to record porn.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  That's all that I can think about is all the reality shows that are gonna come out of this.

• 17:57Speaker 00

  The weird, where my head went, and I don't know why, was the Presidential State of the Union. Like, at what point do we get like a future president to where like, or like have around them a rig, where you can experience what it's like to speak in front of an audience like that?

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Well, like, you should have that rig just for when they're doing their normal boring job.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Like, total transparency. No, that would be amazing. The only, okay, the only thing that would make it maybe not a good reality show, I just thought of this, is that you're, if, if, if the main character, the protagonist, is the person wearing it, like, they won't be able to get into that many awesome clubs and exclusive night spots wearing this like carousel around their head. But, but other than that, it would be kinda cool.

• 18:42Speaker 00

  I think the first celebrity movie we'll see is like someone at the Oscars will be wearing it. And it's like, look, I'm going down the red carpet and you can see celebrities all around me.

• 18:50Speaker 02

  It's gonna be Ryan Seacrest is gonna be involved in it.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Well, who was the first celebrity, do you think, to be like on camera using a selfie stick? Because this, this is just the next level of that.

• 19:01Speaker 00

  It's not Seacrest, Carson Daly?

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Can you imagine just like a bunch of people in Times Square bumping into each other with these giant 16-camera rigs on their heads?

• 19:08Speaker 00

  Oh, my God. Didn't you like look bumper protection on them?

• 19:12Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. No, it'll be like, it'll be what's-her-face from, from red carpet from E.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Katie Couric?

• 19:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 19:20Speaker 00

  Hold on a second. Sam, do you think Katie Couric looks for E?

• 19:23Speaker 02

  I mean, if that's true, then...

• 19:25Speaker 03

  Something just came to my mind and I said it.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  No, you know where Katie Couric works now?

• 19:30Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh, she would actually do this.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  She's at Yahoo.

• 19:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course she would do this then. Oh, God, Sam, you were right. My apologies.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  We were wrong to ever doubt you, Sam.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Yi, Yahoo.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, anyway, I'm sorry I took it straight to reality TV, but that's immediately where I go when it comes to like first person broadcasting of your experiences.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  I mean, I think the first things we're gonna see are people jumping out of planes with it, right? And people like, you know, climbing a mountain with it and all this other stuff that like.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  In the same way that like the first films were of like, a train is coming at you like, what's the most extreme thing you can think of? And then we started to do things about feelings, so it'll, it'll happen.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  Virtual reality with feelings. When will the feelings come to VR?

• 20:16Speaker 01

  Oh, that's when it'll truly have arrived as an art form. Like, once, once, once you're going through an emotional storyline through somebody else's point of view, that's, that's when it'll have really clicked. I'm, I'm being totally serious. Like, that'll be amazing.

• 20:28Speaker 00

  I feel like we, we started to see a little bit of that. What was the, um, Into the Wild, I think we saw at some festival recently.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a stab at it for sure. I mean, it was definitely interesting that that's what they decided to do was do something around that movie. As opposed to any other, you know, blockbuster action thing that Fox would be putting out that year. But yeah, I, I think it's still, it gets a little bit lost in translation. I think when you start having something that's less composed, uh, when you start actually having the equivalent of somebody showing you, like doing video blogging, 360 video blogging, then, you know, there's less, I think if it's a little less calculated or something, or people are just, and, you know, I'm not gonna be one of the people doing this. I'm not gonna be broadcasting my experience, but the people who are, you know, will be opening themselves up in that way.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  What up?

• 21:24Speaker 00

  Actually, I think this is a good time. We're gonna do the quick little mid-roll thing. We gotta make some money.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  Pay the bills.

• 21:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Make some money!

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• 22:13Speaker 00

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• 22:18Speaker 01

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• 22:23Speaker 00

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• 22:57Speaker 00

  Cool. So, that's the virtuality stuff. Really was, like, the most interesting part of the show, I think.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  It's the most interesting, like, feature-looking thing, but I think there's some stuff that's interesting that you can, like, use today that we haven't talked about yet. And that's the new photo stuff, which is pretty sweet.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, Google Photos, which the only thing I heard when they said that was unlimited storage for all your photos.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, pretty much. That's like all you need to know. So like, uh, Google is essentially had a photo service that was kind of pretty closely tied into Google Plus. And now it is launching a standalone photo service that's broken out of it and it's available for Android and iPhone. Uh, and it lets you back up an unlimited number of photos and videos, uh, for free. Uh, and the photos are limited to 16 megapixels, which covers pretty much every smartphone and a heck of a lot of better cameras. Uh, and the, uh, video is up to 1080p that you can, uh, store for free. Back it up.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  Isn't it cool when Google lets us just put as much information as we want on their servers? Like all of it. We can give them everything that we, that we possibly make or, or write or, um, run on our credit cards.

• 24:11Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, that's so cynical. But then my next thought was there is an algorithm for facial detection where they know who is in every picture.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's definitely like some creepy stuff. They showed off this algorithm that can like, uh, identify a person and then identify them like all the way back through their entire life. So like, if you've got, if you've got kids and you've got like hundreds of photos of your kids from the like day they were born up until they're like, whatever they are now. Say they're six or seven. Uh, Google can figure out them in all the photos.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  I have to ask, is this something you are personally experiencing right now?

• 24:43Speaker 02

  I haven't used it yet. So, uh, I can't say for sure, but like as a dad, it is pretty cool to be able to be like, uh, look at my kid now. Look at my kid three years ago.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  That's not what I thought you were gonna say.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  When they were born.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  I thought you were gonna say like, which one is that?

• 25:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the other, yeah. Which, which one is that? Oh, Google knows. There we go. I'm just all floating my brain to Google.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Can you help me tag my children? All babies look alike.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  That's some exaggeration.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  But, you know, it's like, everybody's trying to figure out this Google back or this picture backup service, like Flickr gives you a whole terabyte, which is pretty much unlimited to a lot of people. OneDrive gives you a terabyte, I think. Apple gives you like, I don't know, 12 megabytes or something.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Right. Nice burn.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  And Dropbox gives you like 100 megabytes or whatever it is. But because people are constantly taking all these photos and videos, their phones are getting filled up and they need a place to put them and people don't really like to pay for stuff. So.

• 25:56Speaker 00

  No, I'm still surprised at like, how much, for example, like Apple charges for their iCloud service.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I pay a dollar a month for 20 gigabytes for iCloud, but that covers like photos and like all the backup of my iOS devices.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  It should be a dollar a month for like 100 gigs.

• 26:12Speaker 00

  It should be dollar. I mean, it, I mean, yes, it should.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  Economics, according to Sam Sheffer.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, there's so many, there's so many competitors offering cheaper prices. And Apple has, what, 150 billion in cash alone? Like, but it's cool.

• 26:28Speaker 00

  They also have completely internal integration. I think it's like they have iOS integrated into cloud. So that is the most seamless experience accordingly.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:36Speaker 00

  But I do agree. I like, I, as soon as I get like, as soon as we get off this cast, I'm going to just download the Google Photos app and get everything off my phone and onto the service.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:44Speaker 00

  I know it's an invasion of privacy. I know my entire life is about to be uploaded to their servers in a different way.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, it's totally like, you know, you're handing over more data to Google. But if you're a Gmail user already, if you have a Google account already, you're already giving Google a lot of data. Like, like, I mean, in order to use Google Photos, you have to have a Google account. So you've already got a Gmail address that's already, you know, seeing what you search and where you go and what you do on the internet. If you use Google Maps to any extent, you know, it knows where you're going and where you've been. So like, I think that it is a certainly a concern for a number of people. I think that the broader mass of people don't care. Yeah. Whether that's a good thing or not, that's up for debate. But like, I think, you know, people have kind of come to accept that, you know, that's the trade off that you make

• 27:34Speaker 02

  when you're not paying for something.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  I just, I understand the concern about, you know, Google having all of our data, but what does it really matter? Does it really matter?

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Spoken like a true snake person.

• 27:51Speaker 03

  We're all gonna, we're all gonna be dead, right? Everyone uses Gmail. I mean.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't care if any, I don't, I, yeah, I don't.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  No, it's just like, I saw so many people on Twitter that were like, oh, invasion of privacy, or creepy, looking at your kids kinda stuff, like, who cares? Either don't use it, like, just don't use it then if it creeps you out. I don't know. There's this like weird backlash of like, oh, Google knows everything about you. Apple knows everything about you. Yeah, you choose to use the services, that's like what, yeah.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  You know, you know, I think is more scary than all that information being at Google's disposal is exactly this, how little I find myself caring about it. And how little most, like, most people I know actually fundamental, like, you care about it in terms of principle, but I, I, I don't know.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  But at the end of the day, it's like, oh, well, I uploaded these photos to Google and they made a cool GIF of like, my kid running around and now that's really awesome and I smiled.

• 28:50Speaker 00

  That could not have said it better. No, it's like, yeah, I, on principle, I want to be private and when I was private, at the same time, I'm not taking pictures of anything worth a damn to me. It's like, ah, Google could know I drink.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Well, even if I was, it would be like.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, everyone drinks, everyone parties, everyone, you know, like, it's, I don't know.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  I don't even think it's that, like, I, I don't know. It's like, no matter what I would have have, I guess unless I was in a very high-risk position, I guess if I was a celebrity or if I was a political person, I would maybe have more to lose by this stuff getting out there, but like, I don't know. I mean, unless I'm totally mistaken and there are a bunch of people who are really jockeying for the position of Verge Entertainment Editor and they will stop at nothing to hack into my cloud account and get anything out of there that's vaguely incriminating, but I mean, I don't know. I, even if there was something bad on there, I just don't know what the upshot would be for anybody to care about it.

• 29:48Speaker 00

  I really hope you didn't just challenge the entire audience.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  I did.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  I did.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  I'm just, I had to, I had to make it interesting.

• 29:58Speaker 00

  Okay, I do want to talk about, I just, sorry, I was just reading through this. I want to switch gears real quick and talk about Google Now on Tap.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:06Speaker 00

  Because people are getting super excited about this.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  It's pretty wild.

• 30:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, so Dan, like, explain exactly what's going on here, because it's Google Now everywhere and then some.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's kind of like the best way to put it. You can like, just put your finger on your screen. Google will look at your screen and whatever's on there in terms of like, words and pictures, and then give you information about them. So it's kind of like, if you're familiar with Amazon's X-ray service when you're watching a video on Prime Video, you can pause it and it'll tell you what actors are in the scene and stuff like that. This is now on your phone and it works with everything. So if you are, uh, they gave a couple of examples on stage of like, someone said, "Let's go see Tomorrowland tonight," or something like that. Uh, and you push the button and then it recognizes that Tomorrowland is on your screen, and then it tells you the IMDb card and tells you the Rotten Tomatoes rating, which I don't think is very high.

• 30:57Speaker 00

  And probably giving you theater.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  Theater times, stuff like that, like all the stuff that's relevant to like Tomorrowland being a movie.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Top think pieces.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  Top, top, top Tomorrowland think pieces that mention George Clooney.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  But yeah, it's, it's, it's like a quicker way, like, right now, if you use an Android phone, you get to Google Now by swiping up from the bottom, or you use that widget on the home screen, and you have to type in something, or you have to hit the microphone and tell it something. Uh, it's kind of like a passive thing. This is, seems to be a little more active, a little less work on your end to, uh, help Google know more all about you.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  No, it looks pretty cool. It's, it seems pretty neat and handy.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  That seems way more seem, like, that seems like something where that conversion from, like, "I want to know what something is," to "I will use this service to have it tell me what it is." That seems like way more seamless than, like, how, the amount of times I actually, like, do a voice search or something, or ask, like, for me, it's Siri, I don't have, like, I don't, I don't do the Google Now thing. But, like, it's very, very, it's not that frequent, but if I was able to just, like, take out, take out the part where you need to type something or say something, then it's like, yes. I'm not really, really lazy.

• 32:13Speaker 00

  It's also like, it's a great, like a great selling point to do Android versus iOS. Because like, and Google is notoriously good about like, taking all their apps and services and making it work across every platform.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  Like Google Photos.

• 32:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, Google Photos is a great example. Every app I use on my iPhone is Google.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:29Speaker 00

  But I like, this is a compelling thing. You want to have Android because across the board, we can now just tell you what you actually need to know, no matter what you're looking at.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it'll be, it'll be interesting to see if it works in practice as good as it does in their demo, and if it's as useful in real world. It's very, very cool.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  I feel like it's one of those things that is going to take time to learn your, you know, routines and methods of living.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Possibly, but like, the thing is, it's, I think what's cool about it, and what's like, kind of breakthrough about it, is that it doesn't really need to know much about you, it just needs to know what's on your screen, right? And then it uses all the data that Google already has, it's leveraging that, they're, they call their knowledge graph or whatever, to figure things out. Like, it knows that instead of Tomorrowland being a word, that word means, it means something, it's a movie, and there's all this content.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  So this is, this is like a layer deeper than Google Now, basically. Is Google Now on steroids?

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the next, next level of Google Now.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  Next level of Google Now.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Next, next level.

• 33:22Speaker 00

  And it's going to know an embarrassing amount about how much I need to look up. Like, it's, I'm.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  My, my Google search history is so embarrassing. I don't know how many times that I've looked up how old Jared Leto is, but it's definitely a lot.

• 33:33Speaker 00

  Oh no, my problem is like, if you look at my Google search history, it is define and then word. And that list of words is probably like, the easiest thing for anybody in the world looks at me, and I'll look at something and go, I don't know what that means.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  I, I have this habit where I just constantly look up the ages of actors as I watch something. I'm like, oh, how old? And then I play this game with my wife, and I'm like, well, how old do you think they are? And then she guesses, and I'm like, da, da, da, and I look it up, and I'm like, ah, you're right.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  You're obsessed with aging.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  It's crazy, I'm such an ageist, I'm such an ageist.

• 34:02Speaker 00

  Is it, does this come up, especially when you're watching like, like, school-related shows? Like, if I'm watching like Pitch Perfect or High School Musical, I'm like, they're nowhere near high school.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  I gotta know.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  No, it's sort of like, I mean, I guess there are a lot of things that Google does where it like guesses the information you need to know, like if you open up Maps and like you're trying to go to somebody's house or some restaurant that you always go to or something and it remembers that and has it there. Like it takes out that step.

• 34:29Speaker 03

  Also, just recently, it was like this week, Google has now updated the mobile search to literally complete the, give you the answer before you finish typing.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:39Speaker 03

  Like, for example, you could type in, "How old is..." and the, one of the first results is Michael Jordan. And like when I did it, I typed in like, "Am I?" and it already gave me the answer for "How old is Michael Jordan?" That's crazy.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  That doesn't sound like it works, though. If you were gonna say, "How old is..."

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Well, it's, it's, it's before he hits Enter and does a search. Like, it already displays the answer before he's done typing.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 35:01Speaker 03

  Based on like each, each letter you type.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  It's like, "I'mma let you finish, but I think you know..." I already know what you want.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:08Speaker 00

  Which, which, yeah, it's impressive. I, to me, I'll look at them like, "Oh, God, I am that predictable." It's like, kinda depressing.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  Well, also, it's not, it's not just you, Ross. It's billions of other people that are searching similar queries. And they're able to like construct all of that data and guess, like, "Yes, Ross, you are like these 800,000 other people that searched this today."

• 35:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's not okay.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Really what it's saying is how, how we're all the same.

• 35:33Speaker 03

  And that is our show!

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Do you guys think that something like Ex Machina is possible, where you can, sorry spoilers if you haven't seen Ex Machina yet?

• 35:41Speaker 02

  I haven't seen it.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Oh, no. Well...

• 35:43Speaker 02

  No, go ahead. I'm not gonna stop you.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  I mean, she's made from, from basically the equivalent of Google's data.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Collected data.

• 35:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Can we make an AI from?

• 35:52Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I would, it wouldn't, it would not faze me if that exists already, in like some sort of weird Watson form. Google's gotta be, Google has to, they own, uh, what robotic, what's the, they own DARPA, right? Now?

• 36:07Speaker 00

  Do not own

• 36:08Speaker 02

  Not, not yet.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  Doesn't Google own a robotics company?

• 36:12Speaker 02

  Boston Robotics.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Boston Dynamics, whatever it is, they own a robotics company. I would, I would be willing to bet they're working on some sort of AI.

• 36:19Speaker 02

  And Google, uh, Google's ATAP program, uh, which actually, uh, ATAP has a keynote tomorrow. And I think we're going to hear a lot more about what they're working on, but, uh, uh, they have, uh, ex DARPA people there.

• 36:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. So sorry, sorry for the robotics company confusion, but Emily, to your point, I, yes, I am fully with you on that.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  I have another question about robotics while we're wildly on topic.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Do you think, well, no, no, it's not a, it's not a do you think question. How come? So like, remember like smarter child, all those sort of like rudimentary, like AI things where you could type things and they would feed back.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Game bots, yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Bots.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  And, and like Eliza, Eliza, I used to spend a ton of time on.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Who's Eliza?

• 37:06Speaker 01

  It was a shrink. You could tell her what was wrong with you and she would.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  It was like a bot?

• 37:11Speaker 02

  So, so.

• 37:12Speaker 00

  It's like, it's like Slackbot.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Tell her things. Interesting. I never seen this before.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. But does Slackbot talk back to you?

• 37:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  I said Slackbot.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  I said Slackbot, remind me to get lunch today and it said, okay, I'll remind you in 30 minutes. And I said, thanks. And it's like, you're welcome.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  Are you serious?

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm dead serious.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  But you're, but you're asking it to do something.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  I also stole this idea from another journalist.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  Like, I think it was really exciting for a while, like when, just that base capability to have a back and forth conversation with a, with a fake bot thing. It was very exciting, like the mid nineties or whatever, like early, you know, eighties even like, and we haven't seen many of those for a long time, but I have to imagine that they're much better now, right? Like really, really good, like just the talk back aspect of it. Why are we not getting those right now just to play around with? Like, how come there's not some super version of Eliza that I can play right now?

• 38:06Speaker 03

  I feel like there must be. Cleverbot?

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Cleverbot was like, was that like, wait, was that the same thing as smarter child basically? Or was that the quiz one?

• 38:16Speaker 03

  Cleverbot is a, is a clever bot, speak to an AI with some, I don't know, whatever Google says here.

• 38:22Speaker 02

  I mean, really what you're asking for is, is her, right? Like.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Like a, no, it doesn't need to have a body, just like a, a chat app.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Chat app in your phone.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. That will keep me from being lonely.

• 38:34Speaker 00

  What if I were to tell you?

• 38:37Speaker 00

  True story. What if I tell you that one of our freelancers on the site that works remotely isn't actually human and is just a sentient journalism? Just a news blogger.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  That would be amazing.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  It's an AP bot. I mean, we have AP bots that write articles.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  That's true. Yeah, yeah.

• 38:50Speaker 00

  So we're going to take a quick break into ads, and when we come back, I will tell you who that writer is.

• 38:55Speaker 02

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• 40:32Speaker 03

  Back to Google.

• 40:33Speaker 00

  Back to Google. Thank you. Welcome back. So we've hit 90% of what's been announced in that two and a half hour conference.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  Google Maps offline, huge.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  And that's our next one. Thank you for the beautiful transition.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  It's cool. It's good.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  It's awesome. Turn my turn directions on airplane mode? Hell, yes.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's some janky offloading stuff now.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  Yes, you have to like download the maps. I remember we did this at CES. You could like download the convention center, right? Like on your phone and it was kind of jank, but how are they doing this?

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Wait, isn't it just like keeping it in your cache?

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  That seems like a no brainer. That seems like you should just be already able to turn on.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Exactly. It's one of those things that why didn't they do this five years ago?

• 41:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Like, I mean, so Nokia has Here Maps. You can download like all of New York State and like have that cached and all that stuff. So this is kind of like a thing to compete against that. But it's funny that Google's pitching it for developing countries for people who have to like care about how much data they use.

• 41:32Speaker 00

  I mean, it's funny. It's also like super important and I think I'm glad they're doing that. But there is that weird sense of like they're getting something really cool and we want it now. Like, why is this trick going the other direction?

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't your phone, when you're doing GPS, use global positioning system, AKA a satellite, and you still can do this on airplane mode? I'm pretty sure that you can like turn on at least iPhone onto airplane mode and Google Maps or Apple Maps still works to some degree.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  I had some funky experiences with that when I was in France where I thought I was on airplane mode because I wanted to save my wireless or my data there. And then I was like trying to like I had the map of where I was going cached on the phone already. And then I would close my phone. I'd open it to check to see like if this, I was just checking to see if the street that I was going by was the one that was where I needed to be, not expecting to have a GPS dot there. But then it was there and I was totally in offline mode.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  So if you, if you have your wifi on. It can also triangulate you, even if you're not connected to a Wi-Fi network.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  But if you're in airplane mode.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  In, in theory, if you're in airplane.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  You're on airplane mode with Wi-Fi on, then it can ping Wi-Fi connections around you and triangulate you. And can it use, I don't know.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  I'm not sure if it can turn on the GPS radio.

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 42:51Speaker 02

  Honestly.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  Okay. But it's, case in point, Google Maps offline.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Can find you.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Cool. Yes. Is this, is this an Android? Is it an Android only thing?

• 43:03Speaker 02

  They positioned this for like Android on developing countries. There is that janky offline mode in Apple's.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  So probably like, we probably won't be able to like download this on iPhone and like use Maps offline the way they advertised it.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  Well, not right now.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think we just don't know enough about it.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  You know what's awesome is PDFs of Maps.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  I use that a lot for the subway.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  Printouts of MapQuest.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  No, I don't print it out. I just put it on my phone. I put it in books, on my documents.

• 43:34Speaker 00

  I'm seriously on board with this. Like whenever, like if I travel like out of country, like I'm not getting on my SIM card, the new SIM card when I get there. I'm not gonna like internet set up.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:42Speaker 00

  I will just screen cap, sorry, screen cap every single Google Maps thing I need before the plane takes off.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Totally, yeah.

• 43:47Speaker 00

  And then that's how I get to where I need to go, or at least to the first Wi-Fi hotspot.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, just gets you to water. Yes.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  All right. So we gotta talk about two other things.

• 43:57Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  From Google. And these are kind of like, I'm calling this like, this feels like this is like the do-over section of I/O for Google. And the first one was a new smart home thing called Project Brillo.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Like what you scrub your dishes with? Like literally what you scrub your dishes with. Also, someone tweeted that it means, it means something in some language. I think it means like tipsy in, in.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  It means brilliant.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  Well, Verge means something in some language, too.

• 44:28Speaker 00

  That language would be French, and it would be market penetrator. Don't question it.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Wow, nicely done.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  But essentially, so like, I think it was like 2011 or 2012, they Google announced Android at Home, which was supposed to be like this internet of things, connect your home device and stuff. And and nothing's really happened with it. They bought Nest and like they hadn't really done anything with Nest. So I guess Project Brillo is like their restart of getting into the Internet of Things world, which is kind of like a mess right now. And Google is definitely not the first company to enter it. Samsung has been in it. Intel's got a lot of investment in it, but like, there's all these like disparate systems. It's all confusing as heck. And it's like, people like my job to explain it. And I don't really even get it. And like, I don't, I get exasperated by it.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  For the, for the listeners here that heard you say Internet of Things, and have no idea what it is, summarize it in one sentence.

• 45:21Speaker 00

  And also, please note that when he was saying that, it was the most amazing little dance in a chair I've ever seen.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  The Internet of Things is a terrible marketing catchall phrase to describe all of the things in your, all the appliances in your house that are now Internet connected. So you have smart lights, a washing machine that connects to your Wi-Fi and gives you a message when it's done, a slow cooker with Wi-Fi for whatever reason. It's, most of it is, is really dumb stuff that doesn't need to be connected to the Internet. But because it's an early on thing, and like, people are, manufacturers are eager to jump on the craze and all this stuff. And everybody thinks the future is making your appliances talk to the Internet, that you can get anything you want. You get, you can get a Wi-Fi connected blender. I don't know why you'd want this.

• 46:05Speaker 00

  It does exist. And I, I think it's, I think people like, I grew up watching the Jetsons, and that seemed really cool, that everything was kind of automated, or I could just have one device that would like do everything for me. And yeah, it's like, the, the bigger picture of this, before we get back to what Brillo and Weave are, is like, every company out there wants to own the house. Because if you own the house, that platform, that is a big step. It's a big market. And you can really basically say what appliances you are not going to buy and profit from. Apple's got HomeKit.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  Apple's got HomeKit, which has, which, I mean, at this point, Apple's done equally nothing with HomeKit, as Android did with Android at home. So, so this is like Android's restart on the Internet of Things, or Google's restart on the Internet of Things. Hopefully they'll leverage what they're learning from Nest and stuff, seeing as they paid $3 billion for them. And then Weave is the other component, which is like, I guess, the protocol that they talk to each other with.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  So yeah, so Brillo is the actual devices. If you're having a Brillo device that is your connected or things device. Weave is the common language that Android devices will speak, that Brillo devices will speak. And it's not.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  It's not the internet troll.

• 47:14Speaker 00

  Not the internet troll.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's, it's what you do with a basket.

• 47:17Speaker 00

  Exactly. And like, I think, I'm just pausing for that one. And I, I, I think it wasn't really clear, but like, anyone can use weave or anyone can like tap into weave if like the code is there.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  They described it as an open system. Like they always talk about Android as being open. So I guess it's, if you want to build it into your product, you can do that and you can develop word and stuff like that. And the, the advantage for like Android users is that they'll automatically detect when one of these project Brillo and weave things is on a network. So you won't have to set them up as much or, or do as much work to use the other things, which is kind of a sticking point right now for a lot of people. So maybe it'll make that more seamless. But it's, it's Google do over number one.

• 47:59Speaker 00

  That's true. But like the bigger picture again, like we're talking seven or eight different competing platforms.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:03Speaker 00

  For a category that I don't know a lot of people that are actually dying to have.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Right. Like if you're building a new house now, maybe you want to like, you know, make it really smart and high tech and, and make, put like HAL 9000 in it and make it like the Jetsons home. But if you already live in your home or you live in like, an apartment or whatever, a lot of this stuff seems kinda.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  All, all, all internet thing stuff is like car stuff to me. It's like, it's just not, never gonna, I can't even think about like crazy questions to ask about it. Cause I'm like, thermostats. I could think, that would be useful. Sure. Yeah. I don't know.

• 48:38Speaker 00

  I, I, I'm excited by the idea of it, but I don't even know where to begin on fathoming things. Like, the idea of, oh, walk into my house and the light's gone. That's kind of cool. Do I want to invest in figuring out what ecosystem to use and all that?

• 48:51Speaker 02

  You really don't.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. It seems like a lot, a lot of setup and work and money.

• 48:55Speaker 03

  We are in like the, the birth of this era of companies trying to figure this out, I think. There's Apple's HomeKit, Google, I think Samsung's doing stuff, Intel's doing stuff.

• 49:05Speaker 00

  There's Zigbee, Z-Wave.

• 49:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's all these protocols.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  This seems the most Wild Westy, basically. Yeah.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  Someone, someone eventually is going to win, or there's gonna be, you know, competition. But in like 30 years, like you buy a phone or a computer and it's like a thing to use the internet. I feel like any appliance you buy will be more, have like more, more reason to use the internet. I don't know what that's gonna look like yet, but yeah, like what, what is, what is it gonna look like in 30 years when your laundry is done? And like.

• 49:41Speaker 00

  It's gonna look like folded clothes.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  It's gonna look like Back to the Future.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  And it's gonna smell like meadows.

• 49:47Speaker 03

  Not that that happened in Back to the Future.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  When you're flushing the toilet with your phone, that's gonna be when we've lost. Like.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  You know, hey, I mean, the phone's already in your hand.

• 49:55Speaker 00

  I'm already looking at the phone.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, you don't even have to.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  No, of course it's already on you.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  I don't wanna have to twist around.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  It's on, it's here.

• 50:02Speaker 00

  It's a little more hygienic.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  It's in your hand.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  You just swipe down and you flush.

• 50:07Speaker 00

  Toilet flush.

• 50:08Speaker 03

  No, it's gonna be, it's all on your, on the watch, wrist detection. You get up from the toilet, it flushes for you, it's done. But also they have that already with sensors.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you've read this.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Sensors are so.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  The New Yorker had a really long profile on Marc Andreessen, who is one of the top venture capital guys out in the valley and founder of Netscape and stuff. And the author who wrote the article remarked on how high tech his toilet was. And it took him a while to figure out how to use it.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Was it a Toto toilet?

• 50:38Speaker 02

  He did not name the brand, I would assume so.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Best toilet, best toilet in the world.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Anyway.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  This is my next toilet from Emi Yoshida.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Wait, do we have a top shelf on toilets yet?

• 50:52Speaker 02

  Top shelf toilet.

• 50:53Speaker 00

  We don't.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  It's, it's the upper deck edition.

• 50:55Speaker 00

  No.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  You know who supposedly has like the nicest toilet in the world is Ryan Seacrest, actually. To go back to Ryan Seacrest.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Everything, everything comes around a Ryan Seacrest.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  I, the reason I'm actually, there's, there's the obvious reason to be surprised, but like also, I didn't think he was in one place long enough to actually appreciate having a toilet like that.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  You didn't think he needed to use the toilet?

• 51:16Speaker 00

  I just like, he's like, he's always flown in different houses and private jets.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's always a point where he's not working. Like, like, like, is there a point where he's not working where he could actually use a toilet?

• 51:24Speaker 01

  He like takes a pill that absorbs all the liquid, the excess liquid in his body and like throws it.

• 51:29Speaker 00

  He's a fully efficient biological machine.

• 51:33Speaker 00

  Biologicals of maybe.

• 51:37Speaker 00

  So that was one of the do-overs.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  So that was do-over number one. Do-over number two that we saw today become official and had been rumored for months is Android Pay, which is Google's new mobile payment system, not to be confused with its old mobile payment system that was called Google Wallet. So Android Pay is essentially taking the place of Google Wallet in terms of the like tap-to-pay stuff that you do with your phone. It's actually built on that soft card thing that Google bought that was built by the carriers. And so it's kind of just like a Google-fied version of that. It's going to be available on all phones. I think it's compatible with all phones that run Kit Kat or newer. And it will let you tap-to-pay with your phone.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  It supports fingerprint authentication, so it sounds a lot like Apple Pay. It's essentially Google's more serious answer to Apple Pay. They say they're working with the banks this time where they didn't really do that with Google Wallet. And Google Wallet had a really hard time getting traction because of that. So it's another mobile payments thing being shoved down your throat.

• 52:41Speaker 00

  It is, but like there are things that are interesting about this. You know, I think one of the things that I noticed that I was really happy with is like from the get-go, there's apps where like it's fully integrated. Like Uber is fully integrated in that I don't have to put my banking information into these like apps, it just works with the platform.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:58Speaker 00

  That's something like if Apple Pay is doing it, I've yet to find an app to do that.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  There's so like, so for example, like with the Starbucks app, you can reload your card with Apple Pay.

• 53:09Speaker 00

  Right.

• 53:10Speaker 02

  So that's kind of like an in-app integration. It's a very, if you do like a bullet point of the features of Android Pay versus Apple Pay, you're going to see a ton of overlap.

• 53:17Speaker 00

  And you should, and like if one introduces one, like I would hope the other one follows suit.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:21Speaker 00

  But it's, I think it's, I think it's good. I think this will benefit both platforms because now every phone, almost every phone out there is going to have some kind of payment device.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  Right. Right. And maybe it'll catch, have more adoption. Apple likes to talk about how much adoption it's had of Apple Pay, but the reality is I don't think that most people are using mobile payments at all because credit cards and cashers are so convenient.

• 53:44Speaker 00

  I would love to not have a bunch of credit cards or any credit cards in my wallet. Like I would just like have an ID to get into a bar in my phone.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that'd be great. And you can have like a wallet case like this, which I use solely to hold train passes. Because, but like.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  But that relies on not only that your, your, your phone system uses, supports the cards that you use, but also that everywhere you go where you need to spend money will accept that as a form of payment. And, and we, for a long time, cash was the only thing that was accepted everywhere you went. And now we're at a point where pretty much with a few exceptions, you can use a credit card of some sort.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  Not New York City.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  With few exceptions.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Dude, New York City is hype on cash. I am not kidding. I am not kidding. You like half, half of places I go to, whether that's food places or bars, cash only. Like, and, and bodegas also cash only $10 credit card minimum. It's like.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  Well, they accept credit cards.

• 54:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they very much prefer cash.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  I respect, I respect cash only. I have to say.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, same.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  It makes me, it makes me like pay attention.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  I, I very much agree with that too. Cause it's like, oh, cool. Just take this piece of plastic and do something with it versus like having the tangible dollar bills in your hand.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Or it's like, I mean, the places that accept cards are like big chains.

• 55:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like McDonald's, you can go get like a packet of ketchup with a credit card.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  At McDonald's, they don't give a crap.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Starbucks.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  But, but yeah, I totally feel you.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  That's also.

• 55:15Speaker 03

  Sorry. Yeah. I didn't mean to just derail you, but like.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  No, this is all, this is.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  It's insane how many, how many places are cash only.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  So, so, so at what point are those places that won't even accept a credit card going to let you pay with your phone?

• 55:27Speaker 03

  I don't need, I don't know.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  So like, that's, that's the exact problem.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  They want to just like transcend beyond credit cards. Just like Apple Watch only.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  But, but the thing is when you're using a, a, a mobile payment system, you're paying with a credit card.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  It's just connected to a credit card. It's just.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's making a difference for them.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  The idea of like a piece of plastic versus like an NFC chip in your wrist or NFC chip in your, it's, it's weird. Again, I think we're in this like weird weedsy phase of like all these different payment systems, kind of like what we're doing with, well, smart homes are way be, behind on, on this curve. But yeah, like what does it mean to transact money? You know, all of my friends use Venmo and, and Neelai and Dieter always crap on Venmo on this Vergecast and they are. Not here and I'm going to make a statement. Venmo is huge and a lot of people.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  Can I say I've never used Venmo and I do not have a Venmo account?

• 56:17Speaker 00

  I'm with Sam here. It will be 50 50 because I use Venmo every day.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  Literally, I was, I was, I saw Mad Max. I saw Mad Max last night and there's like a group of people in front of me like they bought snacks and someone had Venmo open, ready to pay the friend like. Venmo is huge.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  It's so much easier to split a check when it's like one card. Okay, we'll do the math later.

• 56:35Speaker 03

  And we'll do Venmo later.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  Snake people love Venmo.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  But to call back to that, like there's a lot of cash line places, but there's also a lot of new companies like Square that are like, you know, you can be a mom and pop shop and just have an iPad and you can like use credit card then.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  It's still expensive for them Square. Like, I think it makes sense for if you're a coffee place or something like that, but it's still a cost to you.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  Square doesn't really make any money, right?

• 56:58Speaker 03

  No, I don't think so. They would take.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  But credit card companies do and, and yeah.

• 57:03Speaker 03

  Right. And then I think there's a, there's a fine line also between like a credit card, which is something that you are buying and is not your money and you're going to pay the company back that money that you just borrowed by swiping that piece of plastic versus like a debit card. Like I have a Visa card that has a credit line, but it's my actual cash that's in my bank account. And so like when I spend that money, it is withdrawing from my account. So what is the difference between swiping in a machine, in a machine? Or me giving you cash or me using Venmo or me using the phone? I don't think there's any real difference. And, and these, these places are like, oh, cash only. Oh, we, we accept credit cards. Oh, we have this Square machine. But like, at the end of the day, I am just giving you money. This is a transaction. You are giving me something. I am giving you money in return.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  Well, the difference is, well, the difference is if you're not using cash, there's a middleman in between. And the middleman takes his fee.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  Well, the middleman being the bank.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  The processing.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Right. The processing, right?

• 57:59Speaker 02

  Visa or Mastercard or whatever.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  Like, so, so, right. And like, I could use Venmo to do the processing for me, which doesn't cost me anything. Venmo is free to use. They don't take any money from me by using Venmo. The, the people taking money is.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  How do they stay in business?

• 58:14Speaker 03

  I don't know. I really don't know.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  Are they taking your information?

• 58:18Speaker 03

  Probably. Apps, I mean, probably definitely.

• 58:20Speaker 00

  I hate to, I hate to interrupt this. We should move on though, but.

• 58:23Speaker 03

  We'll move on. We'll, we'll have a Venmo cast later.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  I just chase quick pay.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  I'm old.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  No. I'm like, I'm now like, I just want to use cash out of spite for this conversation now.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Oh, I like cash. Cash reminds me what I'm doing. Like, what'll it do the economy when everybody's paying for things with their wrist?

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Someone just Instagrammed a video of their remote control toilet and DM'd me the link. And I am watching a guy who just, there's no nudity in this Instagram, but he is in front of his toilet. And he pressed a button and the toilet flushed. It is.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Did he do it with his phone?

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Does he carry around the toilet remote?

• 59:06Speaker 03

  No, I think he's at home.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  What happens when the remote's battery dies?

• 59:10Speaker 00

  Is it dedicated toilet remote?

• 59:11Speaker 03

  It looks like a universal remote.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  Does he lose the remote in the couch cushions and then he can't flush the toilet?

• 59:16Speaker 03

  I will drop this. I will drop this in our chat room.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yikes.

• 59:19Speaker 00

  Please do.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  That's what I came here. I knew that.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  Thank you for sending me this.

• 59:26Speaker 00

  Okay, so we will, in all the notes for the Vergecast, we will include the toilet flushing link.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  I'm gonna pay for everything with personal check after this, I have to say. That's my conclusion. With a fountain pen, with a big signature on it.

• 59:42Speaker 00

  I got a, I have a checkbook somewhere. I've lost it. It's somewhere in a box. Okay, so Google I/O, going back on track. What else was there? There was Android Wear.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  Wait, can I say something? Can I say something, though, like a big blanket?

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Big picture. Yes.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  The amount, the degree to which we are getting off topic and the diversity of things we are getting off topic about speaks to how many things Google has its fingers in, right?

• 1:00:08Speaker 00

  Oh, yes.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  We're talking about robots. We're talking about paying for things. We're talking about toilets. Like, all because of one company. Like, that, I mean, just, I don't have a judgment on that, but that's just like.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  Just an observation.

• 1:00:20Speaker 00

  Here's a scary thought. Like, it was a two and a half hour conference that quickly went through a bunch of categories.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  And I was just about to list all the things that Google does that it didn't talk about.

• 1:00:28Speaker 00

  Exactly. And I want to hear this list, because I don't think they even went through half of their business today.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  Right, so we didn't hear anything about Google Plus.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  I remember Google Glass.

• 1:00:36Speaker 02

  We didn't hear anything about Google Glass. We're gonna hear from ATAP tomorrow. They're on the calendar.

• 1:00:42Speaker 03

  There is another keynote tomorrow.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. So there's another keynote tomorrow. ATAP is gonna talk about their, what they do and their, what they do is like the way future stuff. So like,

• 1:00:50Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  But we didn't hear anything about that. We didn't really hear anything about like Chromecast and stuff like that. There was some little, very, very brief mentions. It was kind of like a thing like, oh, yes, that's a thing we do. Type of thing. But it wasn't really any huge new developments other than HBO Now coming.

• 1:01:07Speaker 00

  Which is a big deal.

• 1:01:08Speaker 02

  It's a deal. It's a deal. It also could have been a press release or a tweet.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  So there's a whole bunch of things that Google didn't talk about and they didn't talk about a lot of things that had been rumored this year. We still don't see Android Wear working on iOS. They didn't, they didn't announce that. Is that's gonna happen? We don't know.

• 1:01:28Speaker 00

  We didn't see Tango yet, which is their crazy Lego phone.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  Tango, well, actually Tango is the tablet that can like see Night Vision.

• 1:01:36Speaker 00

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  You're thinking of, you were thinking of Project Ara.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Oh, God.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  Which is, which is like another Google thing.

• 1:01:45Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  That has the modular phone pieces, which is very, very cool.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. We didn't see any.

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  I have a feeling we're gonna see a lot, some of that stuff tomorrow.

• 1:01:52Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Just, just a hunch.

• 1:01:53Speaker 00

  Not to mention.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  Because ATAP is involved.

• 1:01:55Speaker 00

  Project Loon, the internet.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  Also that. But Google, Google tweeted about Loon today.

• 1:02:00Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  They were just like, one balloon is the, can give internet to the amount of people the size of Rhode Island. It was just a tweet that I saw in my feed, but they made no mention of it.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Did anyone tell Google that Rhode Island's not very big?

• 1:02:16Speaker 00

  Apologies, everyone listening.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  We didn't hear about that.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  You have a very small state.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  We didn't hear about Android TV, really.

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  Nope.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  Even though you can buy the Nvidia thing. That was kind of like news that was like tangential to the, uh, the thing. So Nvidia has an Android TV box that supports 4K. You can now buy it. Um.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  But yeah, so and oh, there's also Project Fi, their wireless carrier.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  Because they're a carrier.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Which was like huge news a month ago.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  They're an ISP also in some states. Yeah, to Emily's point, like, Google is freaking everywhere. And the fact that they can go onstage for two and a half hours, blast or a ton of announcements, and still not cover but a fraction of their company is like insane.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  It is insane.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  So what do we think is coming up tomorrow? Do we have any idea?

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Uh, well, we know ATAP is presenting tomorrow.

• 1:03:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Yesterday, the Spotlight Stories, the little video thing that you can install on Android phones. Now, yesterday, they released it for more Android phones, and they released the video by Justin Lin, who, if you should know this, he directed a bunch of Fast and Furious movies. That's just something you should know. Otherwise, Chris Ziegler will die inside and maybe outside.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  They said that they were, he was gonna be part of that. I don't know exactly in what capacity, but in their little teaser, they did that. But like, ATAP is, the best way to think of ATAP is, and actually, ATAP isn't the only one, because Google also has Google X. So it has two really future-looking things. These are, these are tomorrow's ideas.

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  Okay, so today was grounded, tomorrow is wild future.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  Let's hope so.

• 1:03:54Speaker 00

  Okay, I like, I like that. Um, so that just about wraps up our Google I/O edition of The Vergecast. Next week, we'll be back to a, not, it's not a focused show.

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  A, just a, a, a more hating on Vemo?

• 1:04:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, it'll, it'll, it'll be a more diverse topical show, but before we get too far in, there is a podcast you should listen to this week that is not The Vergecast, and it's not What's Tech, actually, although you should listen to both.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  It's not WTF with Marc Maron.

• 1:04:19Speaker 00

  Pow!

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Uh, so I don't know, that was just the first podcast I thought of.

• 1:04:24Speaker 00

  It's not Chris, it's not Chris Farquhar with The Vergecast, I don't even know how to do that one.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  No, I started a new podcast this week with Liz Lopato, the Verge's science editor. It's called Verge ESP, which stands for Entertainment and Science Podcast. You can groan now.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  You should very clearly not say ESP Podcast. That is redundant.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  It's not, yeah, it's not, it's like ATM machine. You can't say that.

• 1:04:51Speaker 03

  Nice parallel.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  But yeah, we're starting out as a bi-weekly podcast. So every other week, our first episode just went up yesterday. I interviewed the guys who created Halt and Catch Fire, the AMC show, and we're gonna be kind of talking about science, art, the intersection of them, and doing a lot of cool interviews with people in both fields. So it's gonna be fun and you should subscribe. I think it's itunes.com/vergeesp. It's not.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Our producer just yelled, "No, no, no, no, no."

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  What? iTunes.com/TheVerge.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Or if you go to any podcast supplier of your choice, you can type in Verge ESP.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Whatever you do, wherever you find it, just give it five stars, okay?

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  It is like, it will be great. It is great now. Legitimately download it. Rate it if you like it, five stars. We really appreciate it. It's just an amazing start and we're looking forward to it. Not to mention What's Tech with Chris Plant, of course, this show. Just rate everything we do five stars. And if you do, we'll keep doing more stuff. Big thank you to everyone who joined us today, listening. Thank you to Dan. Thank you to Emily and Sam, of course. Big thank you to our sponsors, which are of course Dashlane, D-A-S-H-L-A-N-E.com/vergecast. Get 30% off your password manager, which God knows you need. Thanks to our other sponsor, of course, Newscred. If you need some business marketing

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  and some creative people to help you get your business out there, that is N-E-W-S-C-R-E-D.com/verge. Again, thank you so much for supporting our sponsors, which supports us. Neil and Dieter should be back next week, hopefully. And if they're not, well, you'll see the missing persons report.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna interrupt and hype our Vergecast account. Our Snapchat account, it is TheRealVerge. We snapchatted from inside Google I/O today. You should watch that if you're listening to this live. If you're listening to this before... I don't know, noon on Friday, you should follow us on Snapchat. You should just follow us on Snapchat anyway, and add us on Periscope. We're at just Verge on Periscope. We're pushing hard on those two platforms. I'm at Sam Sheffer on Twitter. Emily is at Emily Oshida. Dan is DCCFert. Good luck spelling his last name. And Ross is at OnoRoscoe.

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  I think our reader's smart enough to spell his last name. He can do it. They're good. You guys are great people. You guys are beautiful, wonderful people. And of course, there's a lot of Google News. If you need to know all of it, if you need to know what it all means and get all that analysis and beautiful hot take and reporting, please check out theverge.com. Thanks for listening.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  Everyone seems to be a foodie in Hollywood right now.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  You said the F-word.

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  My name is Greg Morabito.

• 1:07:55Speaker 05

  I'm Helen Rosner, and we're the hosts of the Eater Upsell. It's the new podcast from your friends at eater.com.

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  You can listen to it on your phone.

• 1:08:03Speaker 05

  While you're walking your dog.

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  You could listen to it in a restaurant.

• 1:08:06Speaker 05

  You could totally listen to it in a restaurant.

• 1:08:08Speaker 04

  Which would be a kind of cool move, because that is a lot of what the show is all about. Tune in for a new episode of the Eater Upsell every other Monday morning.

• 1:08:16Speaker 05

  Boom.