Rise of the Whoop dupes

For the last few years, the trend in wearables has been all about screens. As many of them as possible. But now, companies like Whoop, Fitbit, and Garmin are creating new products that ditch the display entirely. The Verge's Victoria Song explains why no-screen is the new flex, why even the most quantified athletes might not want a display on their wrist, and whether Whoop and the Whoop Dupes are a sign of a broader trend Further reading: Spider-Man and The Odyssey are splitting up IMAX screens after a record-breaking weekend) Truth Social’s priority access subscription goes live and raises corruption concerns. | The Verge Google’s Pixel 11 specs and price leak showing the impact of RAMageddon | The Verge Lenovo Googlebook leaks reveal a laptop and 2-in-1 tablet | The Verge The Fitbit Air takes a smarter approach to the AI health dumpster fire Garmin’s new screen-free fitness tracker doesn’t require a subscription Whoop wants everyone to give a whoop about the new Whoop 5.0 Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed. We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to [email protected] or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

• 0:02Speaker 00

  Hello and welcome to The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of Whoop doops. I'm your friend David Pierce and today on the show, we're going to talk about wearables. But not the kind of wearables we normally talk about, which traditionally have screens and are probably smartwatches and have more and more features all the time and are trying to replace your phone and all kinds of everything. There's this new thing happening, though, where instead of all of that, we're getting devices like Whoop and new things from Fitbit and new things from Garmin that are pointed in a very different direction. They still have lots of technology. They still have lots of features. They still connect to your phone. But importantly, they don't have screens and they seem to communicate something different about what we want from our wearables and how things are supposed to feel when we put them on our body.

• 0:47Speaker 00

  I asked the Verge's V song to come on and explain what's happening here, both technically and culturally, because I think there's a real shift happening here and I think she might agree with me. We're going to get to that in just a second. But first, here's everything else happening on The Verge today. This is 90 Seconds on The Verge for Monday, August 3rd, 2026. Movie fans, I have good news and bad news. The good news, Spider-Man: Brand New Day is great and it's a huge hit, actually the second biggest opening weekend ever. And along with The Odyssey, it made this weekend the biggest weekend in box office history. Movies are so back, you guys. Now, the bad news. If you want to see either of those movies in IMAX, good luck. As of this week, Spidey and Odysseus will be sharing IMAX locations around the US,

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• 3:53Speaker 00

  All right, let's talk fitness trackers. The Verge's V song is here. Hi, V.

• 3:56Speaker 03

  Hi.

• 3:57Speaker 00

  V, three is a trend. This is, this is literally the, the pitch I made to you for come do this show with me is three is a trend. We have the Whoop, which I think gets probably a lot of credit. I want to know exactly how much credit for starting this whole particular new kind of fitness tracker trend. Then you have the, the Google Fitbit Air, which we've talked a bunch about on the show. And now you have this new one from Garmin that is just, it's just exactly the same thing. I want to get into these devices in particular, but tell me about, tell me about this new thing that Garmin launched and whether it's exciting or not.

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Garmin launched the Garmin Circa, which I have on my arm right now. And it's basically a Whoop doop in the sense that, you know, this, like the Whoop, can also be worn on your bicep. So, you know, it can be worn on a different part of your body. Garmin is more kind of appealing to the same crowd as the, the Whoop crowd is. But when I was talking to Garmin, they're basically like, this is kind of a lifestyle device for them. And they were like, I think the same vein as Garmin Venue 4. I understand what that means. But for everyone else who's not extremely well-versed.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  Did I just Google those exact words as you said them? Maybe.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, the, the Garmin, like the 4,000 Garmin devices that are on the market. The Venue line is their smartwatch line. It's mostly for people who are a bit more casual, a bit more lifestyle, but still want some kind of in-depth tracking. So that's kind of the same user base that they're targeting with the Circa. It was an interesting concept because they were also like, you know, Phoenix users just might want a Circa for when they're sleeping because it's a little more comfortable than, you know, kind of acknowledging that the, the Phoenix can be a heckin' chonker of a device. There's a lot of buttons. So they're kind of targeting entry-level people who like the Fitbit Air, might be your grandparents, who don't need the bells and whistles that Garmin provide,

• 5:53Speaker 03

  a little bit more of a streamlined feature set. So it's not like, you know, like the endurance metric where you can watch your energy levels fluctuate during an endurance, an endurance long, long run. It's more of like basic tracking. Like if you hit the button, it can auto-track one type of activity. You're gonna need your phone with this device. It, you're like, there's no built-in GPS on this. It's connected GPS, which makes sense because there ain't no screen.

• 6:23Speaker 00

  So it's the, it's the ain't no screen that I want to talk about because I think you're right that all of these things poke at kind of different kinds of people. But holy God, do they look the same. I mean, they, they are just structurally the exact same hardware, right? Little, little pill fitness tracker inside of a very similar-looking Velcro band. I mean, that's, that's the thing. And I think this makes me think we should talk about Whoop just for a minute because Whoop doop is, is a thing and these look like Whoops in very real ways.

• 6:57Speaker 00

  What is it that Whoop figured out in this space that everyone is still catching up to? Like, there are a lot of fitness trackers out there. A lot of people have a lot of different ideas. But Whoop seems to have solved something specific that I've never been able to put my finger on, that folks are, are chasing after even now. What do you think it is?

• 7:15Speaker 03

  I'm going to also lump Aura into that. What Whoop and Aura have figured out is some people just don't want another screen on their body. They want all the metrics and they want the in-depth fitness or they want some degree of the fitness. They're just not trying to be bothered. I think it's just that they happen to be screenless devices at a time where a lot of people are having a certain degree of tech fatigue, where they don't want to be looking at another screen, possibly right in front of their eyes and glasses. And they want a little bit less distraction, a little bit more intentionality. And the market that Whoop has basically catered to,

• 7:58Speaker 03

  which are hardcore fitness people, elite athletes, weekend warriors, people who are very kind of into the wellness space naturally. Those people have been kind of banging on the intention and intentionality drum for a long time. And for those people, screens are a distraction a lot of the time. But I've heard it from my readers, too, who are just like, you know, there's just so much to look at on my phone. I'm just fatigued every day. The, the screen is small on the wrist. The battery life is not what I want. A Whoop will last you like a month on a charge because they have a little battery pack that you just stick on the thing. The Garmin Circa is 10 days. The Fitbit Air is about seven.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  So you don't really have to think about it. It's on your wrist. You don't have to think about looking at it. It's there. I have the Aura ring on here. It's also just there. And I think that's really kind of the thing that Whoop tapped into, which is you can get. All the data, same data, maybe the GPS is not quite as good, but you don't really have to look about it or think about it. It's just there in the background.

• 9:07Speaker 00

  Right.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  Turns out that's what a lot of people want.

• 9:09Speaker 00

  Well, what's so interesting to me about that is that my confusion about Whoop has always been that all of the things you just described, all of those upsides seem like they would make a lot of sense for casual people. Right? I don't need constant feedback on my fitness as I sit here at my desk in my basement for 17 hours a day. What I need is sort of a rough overall sense of how I'm doing. And so something like this that doesn't have a screen, that doesn't offer feedback, that doesn't buzz my wrist all the time. Useful. Whoop appeals to people at the very top of the, I want to know how I'm like, Whoop invented new scores for people and has come up with new metrics and is very much geared toward

• 9:52Speaker 00

  peak athletes doing peak athlete kind of stuff. So the fact that those people, A, wanted that device, not just for the stuff that it offered, but for the actual physical object and the way that it worked, and that that's a growing trend among even sort of elite athletes, people who really care about this stuff, is really fascinating and frankly, kind of surprising because everything else has been running towards bigger screens with more features that do more stuff. So the fact that next to that is this new thing rising, even among those same people, strikes me as a big change in this space.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  It's actually, if you think about how the athlete brain works, it, I actually think it makes sense because it's about focus. Right? So when you have the screens, part of the reason why you have screens is engagement. So a smartwatch on a, on a run is going to be telling you data mid, mid run. It's going to be like, this is whatever. Now, like you have Workout Buddy and the Apple Watch will interrupt if you choose. Like some people like this and people don't. But it'll interrupt a thing being like, great workout. You just hit your 10th whatever this month on an incline of whatever. And you know, some, for some people, that really takes them out. It's gonna kind of distract them from their focus.

• 11:07Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  So not having a screen, not having those metrics to look at, you can just be completely zoned in. Like when I'm running and I'm just like, I want to stop. I don't like this. It's humid. Why am I doing this to myself? My, my mental trick and go to is to just focus on my breathing. So I'll be like, one breath in, two out. And I'll, I'll play little games with my surroundings. And that's how you kind of lock into your body.

• 11:31Speaker 00

  And then your watch goes, you did it. You ran two miles. And yeah.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. And so like the watch you have, I've noticed in myself, I'll be like, oh my God, how much is fucking left on this run? Oh God, I've only gone point 05. And then, you know, I have to focus. Whereas if you don't have that screen, there's nothing for you to do but to focus on what's going on at the moment. It kind of makes sense for an athlete whose main priority is performance focus and recovery to not have a screen. Because the last thing you want, and I think truly, I think this is a reason why professional sports leagues have not been into wearables on, on the court is that they don't want any distraction. They don't want any unfair advantage. And what is a screen going to do other than give you an unfair advantage?

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Whereas something that's screenless is just recording data.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  So the last question I have on these devices in particular is, is there a technical trade off in there? You, you're describing what I would call big interface changes. Right? That this is, this is a complete shift in how we think about using and looking at and interacting with these devices. And I'm, I'm for now resisting the urge to connect that to much bigger stories about our relationship with the technology that I want to get to in a minute. But I am curious purely from a, what can you do with these trackers? Kinds of trade off. Is the Circa or the Fitbit Air sort of definitionally less powerful because of what it is than some of the other things? Like can, can you do all of the things in one of these,

• 13:06Speaker 00

  you know, pill in a strap devices that you can in the biggest fanciest smartwatches out there?

• 13:10Speaker 03

  No, just because they are so, the trade off is that you are in some ways relying on your phone more. So you get these to not look at your phone or look at screens quite as much. But conversely, you are relying on your phone more because that's the only way you're going to view data. That's the only way you're going to be able to manage the settings. So it's a little weird in, in that it's counterintuitive. Right? Because you can't do anything on this. Everything has to be done on the handy dandy phone, which is, is like, these are paired together. If you want to leave your phone at home while you're working out, sorry buddy, you're not going to be able to do that. You have to take your phone with you because they don't have integrated GPS.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  So that's going to be, now there, you cannot call from your screened thing. So if you're in an emergency, I hope you have your phone on you and it doesn't go like falling down the mountain. Because like the Circa does have live tracking. So, you know, that's the feature that Garmin has so that you can notify your loved ones if something happens to you. Well, you best have your phone on you because otherwise it's just a fitness band. And, you know, a smartwatch, it can do more than just track your fitness. This is just fitness. So it's in a way, it's like a return to the dedicated instead of the multi-use wearable.

• 14:32Speaker 00

  Okay. And that makes me think that maybe the case Garmin made to you that this is a device existing Garmin owners might also want, maybe makes some sense. Cause my, my, my instinct was to be like, well, okay, if I own a really expensive smartwatch, why would I also want one of these cheaper, simpler things? But maybe it's for the reason you just described, that there are, there are times where the one is useful and there are times where the other is useful. And actually ultimately they occupy really different spaces for sort of particularly like athletes who want this kind of data all the time.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I mean, I say this primarily about the Oura Ring because a lot of people ask me like, can I get rid of my smartwatch and just use an Oura Ring? I think some people could, but there's a lot of people who are going to find that the best experience is to have a smartwatch and an Oura Ring.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Or like, you know, I find that to be the, the most holistic use case. Again, I, I, I'm wearing five wearables today. So not necessarily the best judge about streamlining the number of devices I'm tracking on.

• 15:38Speaker 00

  But that is, it does give you kind of a perfect feedback loop. The Oura into the watch gives you sort of in and output information all the time in a way that is really useful.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  And I don't have to worry about battery so much. So the, the positive trade off with like, you're not having standalone capability. You do have to rely on your phone more. The positive trade off is that the actual recording and the tracking, the battery life is massively increased. This guy, especially if you're running beta software on it, does not last as long as these guys do. So like we can measure battery life in like, at least a week is the baseline for a screenless tracker. And this one is days.

• 16:18Speaker 00

  I'm charging this Fitbit Air like every eight or nine days. And I have to say it is wonderful.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  It's great.

• 16:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. And it's such, I don't know if this is the experience with you have with all of these. You've obviously tested many more of these than I have. But the Fitbit Air is such a bully when its battery is dying. It's so funny. I feel like I get a notification like every hour when it's under 24 hours of battery life being like, your Fitbit's about to die. Hey David, your Fitbit's about to die. Charge your Fitbit, it's about to die. We don't have 24 hours left. And it's like, honestly, on the one hand, it's great because it makes me remember to charge my Fitbit before it dies. But on the other hand, it is so aggressive in reminding me. It's like, if, if you don't wear, if your Fitbit dies, you'll die, David. You have to charge it now. Do it.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  It is pretty aggressive on the Fitbit Air, but less so on the other ones.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  But hey, at least you only have to deal with that like once every 10 days. Right? Huge improvement.

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• 19:16Speaker 00

  I do want to know how subscriptions factor into this because every one of these that comes out, the accusation is it's a whoop doop. And they're like, okay, sure, but no subscription. And this is, I mean, I think it's still true that the main issue people have with whoop and aura, the two you mentioned, is that they're very expensive, right? Like the hardware is often very subsidized, but these things cost a lot and they are not simple purchases to make. The Fitbit Air has a subscription if you want some of the AI stuff, but you don't have to have a subscription. The Circa, I think, doesn't have a subscription at all. How big a deal is that in in these new devices?

• 19:56Speaker 03

  So it's really interesting because I think we have to talk about like premium and lux status markers when we talk about the subscription because what whoop and aura do is that they market their devices as sort of like a lux premium.

• 20:11Speaker 00

  Aura in particular is very good at this.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  And, you know, it's a little bolstered by that because it's jewelry, right? So you, it's technically jewelry, especially with the five. I predict that this will be wedding bands for people in Silicon Valley. Just, that's just how it's gonna be.

• 20:26Speaker 00

  You're right, yeah.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Because they're thinner now. They, they look pretty good. But so, you know, they, these are marketed as premiums and everything is kind, everything useful is paywalled. So with aura, if you don't, technically the subscription is optional. But if you don't.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  It's not like, let's just be honest, it's not optional.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  It's really, let me say like.

• 20:47Speaker 00

  You'd be ridiculous to buy an aura and not get the subscription.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  Technically, you'll get three scores, not that useful. Literally everything else is paywalled.

• 20:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Whoop, they don't charge you for the the hardware. You just pay a month, a monthly slash yearly subscription. And those are, there's like three tiers of whoop subscriptions now and they're expensive. They they just are. And you pay that every year. So like I've mathed it out in various reviews as to like how far your buck bang for your buck is gonna go. At least with the aura, you're kind of paying into a hardware price and then a very low monthly subscription, which is $6. People still very upset about that. Now, they market those as premium, status, lux. Celebrities wear them. You want to feel like a celebrity. That's kind of how they've marketed those.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  So the Garmin Connect subscription is around, is around $7 a month. And the Fitbit, you're gonna pay around a $10 subscription on a monthly basis. I believe it's 99 for a year. Relatively cheap, but these are also much lower priced in terms of the hardware. The the Fitbit Air is $99. The Circa is $199. So when you do the, the, there's some like multi-dimensional math going on here. But when you do the calculations, this will cost you less. And the subscriptions are fully optional. And what's not paywalled is very, very minor. So the the air is gonna pay all the AI and the adaptive fitness plan, which, okay,

• 22:26Speaker 03

  whatever, a bunch of people are just gonna be like, oh, I want on my steps, bro.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, I've now spent a lot of time with Google Health's AI system and I can tell you, you don't need to pay for that.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  You really don't need to if you don't want to. If you want to, go have at it. But if you don't want to, you're still gonna get everything that you would in terms of your data, your metrics.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  Right.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  And Garmin, Garmin's AI is, I like the people at Garmin, but their AI is doo doo so far. It's like what you're getting for the subscription is like more nutrition logging and AI summaries, and you don't need either of those right now. What's not paywalled is a buttload of data. So in in kind of in a shift, you you're going from whoop and aura on the premium scale to Fitbit and Garmin going like, hey, guys, you want something affordable? You want to go back to the roots of fitness bands and and tracking?

• 23:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. So you're actually kind of describing like a, not just a lower end version of the same kind of thing, but kind of a different category of device altogether. And like you said, it's a very 2012 category of devices. But I kind of mean that as a compliment. And this actually brings me to my my big picture question about all of this. And this is where I want both the song wellness reporter and the song person who uses all of the wearables. It also seems to me that we might just be due for a big pullback on where like showy technology on our bodies anyway. We've been on this relentless drive towards more bigger screens on our wrists. Everybody is assuming we want screens on our face.

• 24:05Speaker 00

  Screens everywhere, everything is technology. What if, what if your jacket had technology in it to let you control your phone? Is is there something in this that suggests we are due for a spin back on that? That even if we want some of the things that that technology enables, like health data and, I don't know, headphones on our glasses, that actually what we want is much less screens and much less showy technology? Do you think this is a broader trend than just fitness trackers?

• 24:33Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I, I think it's been building, not like we're seeing this stuff come out now, right? It feels like a trend now. Products are in development for a while. So I would say that these desires were planted a year, two years ago, probably. Well, probably around two, maybe even three years ago. I started noticing it back then. Another whoop doop that we haven't talked about is the Amaze Fit Helios band. And that's one that some readers have asked me about. And, you know, one thing that Amaze Fit as a brand does, and if you don't know the brand, it's kind of like a more affordable brand from China where they do a lot of this sort of stuff, great bang for your buck value from them.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  You know, for a couple of years ago, I got a Vergecast question where they were like, where did all the fitness bands go? And I went, that's a great question. Where did they go? And it was basically just Chinese brands at that point in time with viable products on the market. Everyone else had been like, smartwatches, YOLO, let's go all in, screens forever, woo. And I think I saw an increasing number of people go like, hey, could you tell me about smart rings? Because I just feel really overwhelmed. And then, you know, these brands started coming out with this because I think that's where the people went. That's what people wanted.

• 26:00Speaker 03

  Aura and whoop started getting more traction, particularly in wellness influencer communities. And, you know, a lot of people are getting their ideas of what to do for trackers now from running blockers, health and wellness people on TikTok, giving them dubious misinformation, which is why you should subscribe to my newsletter optimizer. That's kind of where they were getting these ideas from. Kim Kardashian having a sleeping contest with, I believe, Gwyneth Paltrow, one of those people. They were just like, oh, let's have a sleep off. This is where they're getting their ideas from. And the irony is that whoop and aura have started stuffing so many features and so

• 26:43Speaker 03

  many metrics into these screenless devices that the data fatigue is, I have immense data fatigue right now. I'm like, what score do you want from me right now? You want me to give blood for what now?

• 26:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  You're tracking my pee because why? Okay.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Oh, that's why you're putting AI into things because now I have so much data. I don't know what to do with it, but at least I don't have to look at a screen.

• 27:08Speaker 00

  Well, and I think next to that is very like, screen fatigue and data fatigue are very much running in parallel. So I guess maybe that explains why it seems to be hitting this particular space so quickly is that it is very much both of those things simultaneously. And that we're going to get, we haven't even had smart glasses long enough to have the screen and data fatigue, but maybe smart people are going to see that coming before it gets here.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  There is a certain type of person who is always going to want more, but there's a lot, a lot of people out here who are just like, I am overstimulated. I have way too much in my face at any given point in time. I don't need 60 biomarkers. The, the, the main reason is that people are so fatigued from the data that these devices are collecting. They don't know what any of these scores mean. And by and large, these devices are meant to help you track a baseline over a long period of time. You're not actually, the most useful way to do, to, to use these devices is not to actually dig into the data every day, because if you're healthy, the data every day is gonna look the same. It's not really gonna change all that much. The change happens in like quarters, semesters,

• 28:18Speaker 03

  like months worth of time. It's not happening on a day to day or even a week to week basis. So they're really struggling right now to figure out what is the best bang for your buck? What is the best value? Because in order to justify a subscription, they're like, let's stuff more data in there. And then you stuff more data in there and they're like, we have to invent new scores to contextualize the data for you.

• 28:42Speaker 00

  This is what we just saw from Samsung with its new watches is they're like, here, look, we have a bunch of new scores we can give you every day that don't really mean anything, but they're going to make you interact with our product more often. And that is by definition, a good thing.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  It's a problem. They absolutely have not figured out the right balance of it yet.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  It's a lot.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a lot. It's, it's way too much.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  And I think I'm generally in favor of actually offloading all of that onto my phone. That there's something to at least like, it's over there and I can get to it when I get to it, rather than have the thing on my wrist screaming at me all day. I'll take like, that, that may not be the whole solution, but it does feel like part of it.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's not perfect because I do think that the general thesis that you're going to have an ecosystem of wearables is what they've landed on is probably correct because on the one hand, I don't want to look at screens, but sometimes I do want to look at screens. And what if I want audio at some point? And what if I want to take notes discreetly? So I do think you're just going to have like six devices on you. I wrote an optimizer a while back about how I believe the wearable surveillance state is coming for all of us. And a bunch of people were like, that's just you. That's a you problem. And I'm like, right now it is. It's coming for all of us buddies.

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  No, I think you're right. And, and the, the hope is this is the beginning of a bunch of these companies unwinding that idea and realizing that actually not only is that not the way to get people, it's a way to actively lose people. And I think the, the, the hope I get from this trend is that maybe these companies have figured out how to keep you engaged without over optimizing you to the point that everyone just wants to walk away.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  Not all of us are meant to be Brian Johnson. Like we can't, we can't live that life, nor should we.

• 30:25Speaker 00

  Amen to that on so, so many levels. All right, V, we gotta get out of here. Thank you. Good to see you as always.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  Thank you.

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  All right. That's it for the show. Thank you to V for being here and thank you as always for watching and listening. As a reminder, if you have thoughts, feelings, questions, if you have a wearable you'd like to see, frankly, if you miss the Nike Fuel Band and the Jawbone Up as much as I do, I would love to hear about it. Email [email protected], call the hotline 866 VERGE11, send us all your thoughts and feelings. It's my favorite. And as a reminder, the best thing you can do to support all of this is to subscribe to The Verge, theverge.com/subscribe. It gets you all of our podcasts ad free, including this one. It gets you all of our exclusive newsletters. It gets you all of our coverage of wearables and everything else. Theverge.com/subscribe. Thank you in advance. The Verge Cast is a Verge production and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. This show is

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