CES 2016 Day 2

On Day 2, Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn are joined by some familiar faces as Joanna Stern and Sam Sheffer return to talk about CES. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:04Nilay Patel?

  Hello! And welcome to a podcast in which most other people are capturing me. Are you still periscoping?

• 0:11Speaker 01

  No, Kurt, Sam. Yeah, let it go for like 3 minutes and then I'll stop.

• 0:14Nilay Patel?

  Oh my god, Sam Sheffer is here.

• 0:15Speaker 01

  Hey, everyone. Wow, hey.

• 0:16Nilay Patel?

  Wow, way to be the loudest person in history.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 0:19Nilay Patel?

  Alright. Hello, welcome to The Vergecast. It's day 2, it's C, day 3.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're calling it, I don't forget.

• 0:25Nilay Patel?

  Whatever the hell day it is.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  It's a day. It's day 1.

• 0:27Nilay Patel?

  The show floor is open.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  Wednesday.

• 0:28Nilay Patel?

  Uh, we are here at The Verge Lounge on the show floor. There's a crowd here. Walt is just staring at me. How's it going, buddy? Walt and I literally finished a podcast together like minutes ago, and now he's just here to heckle me because this one is not as good as the one he does. But, uh, my friend Joanna Stern is here. Hello. Joanna's just using her phone.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  She's Snapchatting.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  I'm a special guest.

• 0:51Nilay Patel?

  Joanna's a special guest. Dieter Bohn is here.

• 0:52Speaker 03

  I'm just a regular old schlub.

• 0:54Nilay Patel?

  And I think you know that Sam, Sam is, Sam is literally periscoping as we do this.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:59Nilay Patel?

  I will say that the angle that you've got your camera at.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Swangle, sir.

• 1:05Nilay Patel?

  This is why I fired you.

• 1:06Speaker 01

  It's not even true. It's literally not true.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  It's why you fired me.

• 1:09Nilay Patel?

  I mean, you know, that, the angle looks, it makes Sam...

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Makes you look swaggy.

• 1:13Nilay Patel?

  Sam, I've noticed that since you've got The Verge...

• 1:14Speaker 02

  Sam, do I need to get that?

• 1:15Nilay Patel?

  You've spent a lot of time figuring out ways to make cameras make you look cool. Like, that right there is like, that camera is...

• 1:22Speaker 01

  This is literally a Secret Santa gift that I requested.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  That's not a Secret Santa gift.

• 1:27Nilay Patel?

  Anyway, it is day, day whatever it is, it's C, it's day 2 of CS. Our second Vergecast here. Um, the first day the show floor is open.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Speak into the mic.

• 1:36Nilay Patel?

  Speak into the mic.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Go closer to it.

• 1:38Nilay Patel?

  Right there.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:39Nilay Patel?

  It's better.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Guys, Walt is watching us, so we should probably do this for real.

• 1:43Nilay Patel?

  Walt, I mean, Walt is, he's like...

• 1:47Speaker 02

  You don't work for Walt.

• 1:48Nilay Patel?

  Who doesn't work for Walt?

• 1:49Speaker 01

  That's right. Walt is all of our boss.

• 1:51Nilay Patel?

  Anyway, so Sam, let me just ask you a question.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, please.

• 1:55Nilay Patel?

  What is your job now?

• 1:57Speaker 01

  My job is creative producer at Mashable. I put together the Snapchat Discover channel.

• 2:02Nilay Patel?

  So are you Snapchatting at CES?

• 2:04Speaker 01

  I am Snapchatting at CES. For Mashable.

• 2:07Nilay Patel?

  What have you been snapping?

• 2:08Speaker 01

  I did three booth tours. I did Sony, I did LG, and I did Samsung. And it's basically all thin TVs. Cool 8K HDR. It's like, how is HDR now finally a thing in 2016?

• 2:21Nilay Patel?

  But it only came out like two years ago.

• 2:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then it started to be like...

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Not talking about for cameras.

• 2:25Speaker 03

  And now it's a thing.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  No, I know, but like...

• 2:26Speaker 03

  That's how TV works.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  No, but HDR has been around forever.

• 2:30Speaker 03

  Oh, because the technology to make the pixels get as bright as they need to in order to qualify for being HDR.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  Peter told me I can't like look away from the mic.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  You can. You're like looking at something. I just, I just...

• 2:43Speaker 02

  No, I have to sit like this.

• 2:46Nilay Patel?

  You just have to talk into it.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  I'm talking into it?

• 2:48Nilay Patel?

  Joanna, the two choices, here. Joanna, the choices are not be far away from the mic playing with your phone and uncomfortably sit like you're insured. There's a middle choice.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Here.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  The quality of the show right now, we should have some like morning zoo sound effects.

• 3:06Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, that's right. I mean, Sam has a morning zoo camera angle. That's what that is.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  What is morning zoo?

• 3:12Speaker 02

  What is morning zoo? Is it morning zoo?

• 3:15Nilay Patel?

  Morning zoo, it's just me.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  100 in New York?

• 3:17Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  The wacky morning radio shows.

• 3:21Nilay Patel?

  Yes. I don't know how we got here.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  What's we...

• 3:24Speaker 02

  I don't even know what I'm doing here.

• 3:26Nilay Patel?

  Wait, at CES or...

• 3:28Speaker 02

  I actually have had no idea what I've been doing at CES.

• 3:31Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  I still feel like I have to be...

• 3:34Speaker 01

  How many years has it been Joanna for you?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Can I move this?

• 3:36Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  This way?

• 3:37Nilay Patel?

  Please.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Oh, that would be the answer? That's like occurred to me till right now.

• 3:41Nilay Patel?

  Veteran technology journalist Joanna Stern.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  I don't know what I've been doing here.

• 3:46Nilay Patel?

  What have you been doing here?

• 3:47Speaker 03

  Have you been looking at stuff?

• 3:48Speaker 01

  She's asking me for Snapchat tips.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  I don't know what I've been doing.

• 3:51Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  I've done things, I've seen some things, I've had some interesting conversations about some things.

• 3:57Nilay Patel?

  What have you seen?

• 3:57Speaker 02

  I've seen, today I made a VR painting.

• 4:02Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  I made two VR paintings.

• 4:03Nilay Patel?

  I saw you wore the HTC one and you wore the Oculus one, right?

• 4:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've done some...

• 4:06Nilay Patel?

  Which one do you like better?

• 4:07Speaker 01

  And you put that epic selfie.

• 4:10Nilay Patel?

  Wow.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  No, it was really very tight on my...

• 4:14Nilay Patel?

  Oh yeah, the sea goggle face.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  I had really bad sea goggle face, which we're all going to have in the future.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Did you just make that up right now?

• 4:19Nilay Patel?

  No, that's a fact.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, or ski masks.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, I, you know, I don't think, because you're not seeing them side by side, I don't like, and I'm not really an expert in...

• 4:29Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  The kind of graphic fidelity of the images. I don't think I really noticed a difference that much in terms of experience, but I did like the controllers better on the HTC.

• 4:39Nilay Patel?

  Oh, interesting. That's really interesting.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  The touchpads.

• 4:41Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  And you don't have to like, move your hand to another, because on Oculus, there's two buttons.

• 4:46Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, but you just move your...

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like, but it's like, um, on the HTC, it's like a D-pad.

• 4:52Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Built into the...

• 4:53Nilay Patel?

  Oh, were you using the Oculus touch controllers?

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:56Nilay Patel?

  You just hold those in your hands, you're like...

• 4:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, but HTC's is like a touchpad.

• 5:00Nilay Patel?

  Oh, cool.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  Um, so I liked, I liked that experience, part of that better, but I had a lot more fun in the Oculus games.

• 5:07Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Would you play?

• 5:09Nilay Patel?

  The Oculus games are super cool.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:11Nilay Patel?

  So the coolest Oculus demo, did you do the one where the, where you're holding virtual controllers in the air and then the controllers you're holding?

• 5:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  That was like that Star Wars thing we saw last year, right?

• 5:22Speaker 02

  They're showing this really cool toy box thing, which is not going to be released, or I don't know when it's going to be released, but it's, it's all about using the controllers until you pick things up, you play like ping pong.

• 5:30Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  Ping pong.

• 5:31Nilay Patel?

  And then the last one, and so you, you, there's, it's like a, like Joanna said, a toy box, and then you kind of pick things up in that toy box and knock blocks over.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:39Nilay Patel?

  And then you didn't get to the RC car? So the last thing that they let me pick up out of the toy box was the controller that I was holding.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  You were interacting with the objects?

• 5:47Nilay Patel?

  Like a virtual representation of the controller.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  No, the last thing I did was like, I was at a, I like shot the little rabbit. It was like being at a carnival.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  I don't get to be at the carnival, Sam.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  You do that part?

• 5:54Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, yeah, but then the last one.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  No, that was where I...

• 5:57Nilay Patel?

  So the last one is you pick up a virtual controller that is the controller you're holding?

• 6:01Speaker 03

  Is it like, exactly the right size and everything?

• 6:03Nilay Patel?

  It's weird.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Does it feel real?

• 6:04Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, no, it screws with your head, but it's probably, they don't have it here, because I did it in Facebook, in Facebook.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:10Nilay Patel?

  Um, but it's, and then you drive an RC car, using a controller that's in your hand.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 6:14Nilay Patel?

  But it's just super weird.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:16Nilay Patel?

  Because you've been in the virtual reality for so long.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  And you like want to stare at the controllers. How long were you immersed for?

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  I was, I was immersed for...

• 6:23Speaker 01

  I mean, what is it?

• 6:25Speaker 02

  I was deeply immersed in the experience for 20 minutes.

• 6:28Nilay Patel?

  So Sam, what, what, what have you done here? What is, what's the coolest thing you've seen?

• 6:32Speaker 01

  LG's roll-up display, that's been like a dream of mine, cause like foldable, you can like Google foldable displays and there's things from like 1998, but I finally got to see one in person. It is nuts. It's really, and like, there's, there's like barely any distortion. Like, you know when you push like an LCD, it has that like rainbow effect, does nothing. It was really cool, but I mean, it was like connected to some like weird janky computer thing.

• 6:54Nilay Patel?

  There's a ribbon cable.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly what it was.

• 6:56Speaker 03

  Although, at least it wasn't under glass. Usually those things are under glass.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  And then, and then it was like-

• 7:01Nilay Patel?

  To keep people from Sam from poking.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. The LG representative had latex gloves on and he just very carefully was just like-

• 7:09Speaker 03

  Massaging.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was, yeah, and then, but it's cool, it's also, it bends like convexly and concavely, so you can roll it both ways, which is interesting.

• 7:16Speaker 02

  What's it connected to?

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Like, some ribbon cable and some like PC that was covered with a piece of paper and they were like, "Don't film that."

• 7:22Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  So, yeah, that, and then, I was just walking around the Samsung booth, I mentioned this to you before, Neil, they have transparent TVs, which I've never seen before, and apparently have been a thing or have not been a thing.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  They're transparent displays.

• 7:35Nilay Patel?

  Well, no, but yeah, that's what I was saying, they've had transparent displays forever.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:39Nilay Patel?

  And now they're like, "We made a TV out of it."

• 7:40Speaker 01

  I mean, what's, a display is a TV?

• 7:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, a display is a TV.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Right, isn't that the same thing? But yeah, that was really cool. And rideables, I've seen some, some really quirky, weird rideables. Someone finally made a $500 electric skateboard. The Acton Blink, it's like the size of a regular skateboard, goes like 15 miles an hour, only has a range of 6 miles, which sucks, but it's 500 bucks. Someone finally did it.

• 8:02Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  So-

• 8:03Nilay Patel?

  You gonna buy one?

• 8:04Speaker 03

  And it'll never catch fire.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  Uh, probably not. Um, am I gonna buy one? I mean, I have an electric skateboard now.

• 8:09Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Um, I want a faster, better one, but they're really expensive. Once, once those faster, like the 20 mile an hour ones come down under a thousand, that's when I think I'll take the plunge, but for now they're too, too expensive.

• 8:21Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Have you guys watched Sam's vlogs?

• 8:25Nilay Patel?

  I'm watching Sam's vlogs all day.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  All day? Well, they last all day.

• 8:28Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Wow, wow, getting shade thrown at me.

• 8:31Speaker 02

  I've watched them and I'm like, always amazed how like, you're smoothly riding on this, that's when you're on your skateboard.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right, yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  No helmet.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  It's very, it seems very unsafe.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Thanks, Mom. By the way, Joanna's my mom.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  It seems very unsafe, but I'm very impressed that you're talking really well and you're holding that camera and then I'm just-

• 8:49Speaker 01

  I learned from the best, right here.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  -always afraid you're gonna get hit by a car.

• 8:51Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, I taught Sam how to hold a camera while he rode his electric skateboard.

• 8:55Speaker 02

  Talking about your life.

• 8:56Nilay Patel?

  Uh, look, Patel's vlog school is not business. What's the coolest thing that you've seen here? Is it anything?

• 9:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 9:03Nilay Patel?

  You're the person I brought. You're the person who hates CES.

• 9:07Speaker 02

  No, I was just telling Walt this. This is my ninth CES.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 9:13Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  What's yours?

• 9:14Nilay Patel?

  I think it's nine.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  Nine?

• 9:15Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  Ten?

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Seven.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  You're done a decade of CES.

• 9:19Nilay Patel?

  That's right.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  You get a pin.

• 9:21Nilay Patel?

  I get a pin.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  You get a pin.

• 9:24Nilay Patel?

  I get a 3D-printed urn to put my ashes in when I die at the end of the show.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  And an all access.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  That's Dieter Dark right there.

• 9:31Nilay Patel?

  They have them here.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  Really?

• 9:33Nilay Patel?

  Yes. Do you get a 3D-printed urn?

• 9:35Speaker 01

  So you're basically just like signing your death note for yourself.

• 9:38Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Can anyone with a 3D printer make a 3D-printed urn? No, these are quality.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Oh. As opposed to non-quality 3D-printed urns.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Like a darn, like...

• 9:47Nilay Patel?

  Well, because you want to keep an urn for a while. That's how you pass down from generation to generation. Anyway, what were you saying?

• 9:53Speaker 02

  Well, I was just like, I was asking Walt in his experience. He told me this is his 25th CES.

• 9:58Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 9:59Nilay Patel?

  If you count Comdexes, it's like 30.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  Count what?

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Like, what year did it happen for him? That he wasn't so excited about being here? This is my first year where I'm just... I used to have this crazy adrenaline and just like feeling, you know? And you're just like, you're excited. You're really excited to be here. And I don't know if it's that I've been here for two... I don't know if it's time or if it's just that stuff is kind of boring? And it just feels like what we saw last year and the year before and the year before that.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Maybe it's consecutive years in a row? Like you haven't taken a break and then...

• 10:28Nilay Patel?

  This year...

• 10:29Speaker 02

  I'm sad about it.

• 10:29Nilay Patel?

  This year Samsung has a fridge with a 21.5-inch display.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 10:33Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  Right. And what was last year's size?

• 10:36Nilay Patel?

  Uh, probably like 17.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:37Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 10:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:39Nilay Patel?

  They get bigger and bigger. They're like phones.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Well, I thought your piece was great. I loved it and it made me excited to be here again. Because I made like, it made me excited about the industry and all that's changed. And like that this show is a marker of what happens in the industry. And like, that's why all of us do what we do. But then I...

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Got up from my computer and I was here again.

• 10:58Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 10:59Speaker 02

  And then I was excited about it.

• 11:00Nilay Patel?

  It's funny because I think 2015 was generally a super boring year in tech.

• 11:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:05Nilay Patel?

  Right, like a lot of incremental things. Like, it was so boring that the Apple news that leaked at CES this year was not about like a new MacBook or like the iPhone going to Verizon. The Apple news that leaked was they're cutting iPhone orders.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Which is like a big deal. Who cares?

• 11:20Nilay Patel?

  No, it's a huge deal, right?

• 11:22Speaker 02

  That's a huge deal.

• 11:22Nilay Patel?

  It means people are satisfied with their phones.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  No, that means like a billion people have an iPhone.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it means they're not getting new ones.

• 11:29Nilay Patel?

  Right.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Because they don't want anything better.

• 11:30Nilay Patel?

  I think, so Sam, Sam representing the light and hope in this conversation is means everyone's connected. That's what you're saying.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  But I'm, I'm, like, they're, what, they're, they're stopping as much production on these current devices, right? Or they're, or they're saying that the new orders of the new iPhones are going to be cut down?

• 11:51Nilay Patel?

  I don't think they've started making the iPhone 7.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  You don't?

• 11:54Nilay Patel?

  I think they've cut, they're cutting these. Right.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Because they've sold a bazillion of them, right? The market is saturated with these. Haven't they sold more 6Ss and 6S pluses than all previous generations? Like, doesn't every iPhone beat the previous generation?

• 12:09Nilay Patel?

  Right, so the, the report was that Holiday would be, slightly beat the previous Holiday. But they're cutting it because they don't think in the first quarter.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  I mean, to me, that just means that people are still on 5, 5S, 6, and their current successes.

• 12:25Nilay Patel?

  That's...

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Right?

• 12:26Nilay Patel?

  Right. Right, so, my, my only point here is that news has ever come out of Apple before.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  I see.

• 12:31Nilay Patel?

  That, right, and that's like-

• 12:33Speaker 03

  The thing that comes out of Apple during CES is the thing that distracts you from what, from what's happening here because something cooler might be happening someplace else.

• 12:39Nilay Patel?

  But, anyway, my point is only-

• 12:41Speaker 02

  I heard there was a red watch banned.

• 12:42Nilay Patel?

  There's a, yeah.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  It's only Wednesday, also.

• 12:45Nilay Patel?

  There's a black steel Milanese.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  We could have leaks tomorrow.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was a leak.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  And Friday.

• 12:48Nilay Patel?

  Uh, but my point is like, 2015 was a down year and you would hope that CES would pick it up and be like, everybody waited, but instead what happened was like-

• 12:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:57Nilay Patel?

  Samsung did a bunch of silly stuff. Sony announced literally nothing, a record player.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:02Nilay Patel?

  Um, LG-

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 13:04Nilay Patel?

  They literally-

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Literally announced a record player.

• 13:06Nilay Patel?

  Answer this question. Why are, why are record players so hard to get? I've checked record players.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Okay, so I, in Jersey where I live, there's a really, really good-

• 13:16Speaker 02

  He took that second to make up the answer, that's how-

• 13:19Speaker 01

  No, no, there's like a story that's involved with this.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 13:21Nilay Patel?

  So we all just experienced what Sam was like in high school.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  So-

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Very talented.

• 13:24Nilay Patel?

  There was a kid named Charlotte Mayne, I believe.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  This is what happens when I want to tell a story on the Verchess.

• 13:29Nilay Patel?

  Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  So, my hometown in Jersey, the English Town Flea Market is an amazing flea market. There are gems there. So, both of my younger brothers, I have one brother that's turning 21 and my other brother's 22, they both have record players and they both-

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Your parents just like banged them out.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  They both, thank you Joanna, uh, they, they, I'm gonna pretend that didn't happen.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  He's 25.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right. We're close in age. Yeah, thank you mom.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  You're 25 or 24?

• 13:56Nilay Patel?

  There's a three-year gap. It's the second ticket.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Barely.

• 13:59Nilay Patel?

  You got really banged out.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Anyway, so both of my younger brothers have record players and they both prefer to listen to music on record players.

• 14:07Nilay Patel?

  It's 5:21 in Vegas and it's getting a little naughty.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  I think because of the sort of exclusivity of it and it's like a really cool feeling, I think, to have this like vinyl that you put down and it's the whole experience and then the, honestly, the music quality, listening to a vinyl record is unmatched.

• 14:24Nilay Patel?

  Right.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  And so in my, I live with my younger, my next younger brother and his record player sits in my living room and we have a stereo and like, we prefer to listen to records. But I mean, it's, we have a Chromecast audio now, so it's way easy to just, you know, link into the Chromecast audio. But I think it's just-

• 14:39Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  It's, it's really like, the fact that these existed for like, you guys, when you were, no, you didn't use a record player? Did you use a record player?

• 14:48Nilay Patel?

  No, I bought a record player when I was like in college, to be like-

• 14:52Speaker 01

  So when were record, when were record players invented?

• 14:53Nilay Patel?

  Record players got disrupted. It was like record players-

• 14:56Speaker 02

  Walt, is Walt around?

• 14:56Nilay Patel?

  Walt, yeah. I sat, no, I sat on this stage today-

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  Seventies, eighties, right?

• 15:03Speaker 02

  I mean, my dad had a record player in our house, but we didn't use it.

• 15:07Nilay Patel?

  Right, because we had new formats. We all, like, we had tapes and then CDs.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, we grew up with ta, I grew up with ta, like tapes were the first and then CDs.

• 15:14Nilay Patel?

  I grew up with tapes, but we had record players and we used them. Yeah.

• 15:17Speaker 02

  Oh, you used them.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  I mean, high-tech record players is, is the aesthetic of, you know, having this, and the artwork and just like-

• 15:24Nilay Patel?

  But there's like a booming, there's like a vinyl sales boom.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it was the most popular thing on Amazon over the holiday season, right? It was record players and-

• 15:31Nilay Patel?

  And Sony, record player was the number one post on the site and the second most popular post on the site yesterday was the Technics turntable. And it's like crazy to me.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  It's cool.

• 15:39Nilay Patel?

  The president of Sony Electronics sat on the stage with me this morning and was like,

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Oh, I saw that.

• 15:43Nilay Patel?

  Record players are sexy, they're hot. And I was like, I don't know what they're, it's 2016.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  It's, it's this appeal of like, us teens didn't have this and now like we have access to it and it's relatively cheap. Like, if you look at Polaroid and that film.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Well, it's not relatively cheap.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  It is.

• 16:00Speaker 03

  No, I mean, run into the flea market.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right.

• 16:03Speaker 03

  Like, I do that too. We'll go to the flea market, buy records, but like, you very quickly run out of stuff you want and like, and then you get to the player, you just.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  Alright, and it's like, oh, you gotta find like this John Fraschante vinyl, it's like $300 on eBay.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, or like if you wanna buy new music on.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, how do you buy new music on?

• 16:15Speaker 03

  You go to a record store and it's like 20 bucks.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  You don't, you don't listen to new music on records.

• 16:19Speaker 03

  Well, so that's the thing.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  I think.

• 16:20Speaker 03

  Right.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Personally, I think the appeal is like.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  Is Taylor Swift available on a record?

• 16:23Speaker 01

  I imagine somewhere, yeah. I think, isn't everything, isn't everything printed to vinyl?

• 16:28Nilay Patel?

  No.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  No?

• 16:29Nilay Patel?

  No, again, so.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Pressed, I guess.

• 16:31Nilay Patel?

  I talked to Sony about this a lot yesterday and they were like, Sony Music had to go find old vinyl cutting machines and refurbish them. Because nobody makes the stuff. So like, the surge in interest is like creating this another, this second.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  So Sony is like now getting back into, do they, do they have vinyl players back in the day? Was that a Sony?

• 16:49Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did? Okay.

• 16:49Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, I mean, like all these audio companies, it's just funny that they're back. And I, I think it really goes down to like, every streaming music app kinda sucks.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  Oh god, we're not doing this.

• 16:58Nilay Patel?

  We are.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  Not doing this. Forty, forty dollars.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  Forty dollars for what?

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Taylor.

• 17:03Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  On vinyl?

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Vinyl LP pressing.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Okay, Apple Music is literally garbage.

• 17:08Nilay Patel?

  Oh my god.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  No one uses Apple.

• 17:09Nilay Patel?

  Just out of nowhere.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Literally no one uses Apple Music. Spotify is the best.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, Spotify is the best.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  All of my friends use Spotify.

• 17:15Nilay Patel?

  Well, it's the best of both.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  And Venmo. I wanna talk about Venmo for a second.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  No.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  I love Venmo, but what does this have to do with music? You can listen to music on Venmo?

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Because, because we've, we've talked about Venmo on the Vergecast before and they're like, oh, no one uses Venmo.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Everyone uses Venmo. Everyone uses Venmo.

• 17:29Nilay Patel?

  Guys, guys, guys. There's literally no reason to talk about Venmo TS.

• 17:33Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 17:34Nilay Patel?

  Not at all.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  Or Spotify.

• 17:35Nilay Patel?

  If you talk about Venmo TS one more time, you have to Venmo me $5.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Okay, fine, well, right now.

• 17:40Nilay Patel?

  Why is it so easy to use?

• 17:41Speaker 02

  It's so easy to use. Just send money to anyone. You guys want some money on Venmo?

• 17:44Speaker 03

  I got a list, links to stuff that happened here.

• 17:47Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, Steeder, do some news.

• 17:49Speaker 03

  What do you want? What do you want? You want to talk about Netflix?

• 17:51Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, talk about Netflix.

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  130 more countries.

• 17:54Speaker 03

  130 countries. That's a lot of countries.

• 17:55Nilay Patel?

  That was their big announcement. So Netflix had a big press conference today.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 17:58Nilay Patel?

  And their thing is they're the first global TV network.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 18:02Nilay Patel?

  Which is an interesting thing to say. I don't, I don't want your dirty money. I don't want your, literally, Venmo.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  What are you gonna put as the message?

• 18:07Nilay Patel?

  Oh my god.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Just like, write like...

• 18:09Nilay Patel?

  What else?

• 18:10Speaker 03

  The problem with this is, I grew up in a time and a place where you didn't talk about money.

• 18:16Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  You either, you were poorer than everybody else and you felt awkward, or you were richer than everybody else and you were a dick. Right? And so you just, you don't, and so the idea that there would be a social network where I could watch money be exchanged between friends.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  That's weird.

• 18:28Speaker 03

  Is deeply creepy and weird to me.

• 18:30Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  The social part is a little odd.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  And in fact, it's all, it's all public.

• 18:35Nilay Patel?

  Any one of 100 other ways to send money?

• 18:37Speaker 02

  No, but it's just that it's so easy that all those people are there.

• 18:40Nilay Patel?

  Sam.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  I'm not talking about it anymore. They are.

• 18:43Nilay Patel?

  Why did you do this to the show?

• 18:45Speaker 02

  I love to talk about Venmo.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Okay, so Netflix is in 130 new countries.

• 18:50Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  They have said that they won't promise to not censor stuff.

• 18:56Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  In different places they will see. And they call themselves a global TV network.

• 19:02Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:03Nilay Patel?

  And they made a hu, like Reed Hastings on station, he's like, "You are witnessing!" It was like, we had a conversation about whether, like, is he getting more evil?

• 19:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:12Nilay Patel?

  And we realized that like, primarily what this company does is like ship cartoons to children, and that inherently keeps you from being evil.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  Well, no, they also, they also make like torture porn, uh, action TV shows, Marvel TV shows.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  What was the most streamed movie? What was the?

• 19:23Nilay Patel?

  Oh god.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  The Matrix 6? But it was, it was, it was, it was a faster start. Most streamed in the first 30 days. It's not the most streamed.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, okay, okay. I saw a headline and I was like, "Oh, that's a little scary." Okay, so fastest, okay.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  What was the news at Netflix other than streaming to the world?

• 19:42Nilay Patel?

  They just got a Venmo notification.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Uh, they're doing a bunch of new shows. They had like a bunch of trailers for new shows, yeah. Ross was like freaking out in the live blog because the dude from the phone booth show, Dr. Who, sorry.

• 19:54Nilay Patel?

  That's really interesting to me. Like, if you think about who has traditionally been a CS, like, um, Netflix is here because they're a tech company, but they're just, they just shut off content today.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:02Nilay Patel?

  They didn't shut off any technology, right?

• 20:04Speaker 01

  I mean, it is tech, right? They're delivering billions of hours of streaming video instantly to billions of people around the world.

• 20:10Speaker 03

  Why didn't they go to a TV show, or TV network conference?

• 20:12Speaker 02

  To me, Netflix is just the world's greatest network, TV network now.

• 20:15Nilay Patel?

  Right.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Like, that's how I think about Netflix.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  I'd say YouTube is close.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  I don't watch a lot of YouTube, other than you, Sam.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  And the Verge.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  You're a little, you know, there's like this, there's seriously like this, this age demographic of like 12 to 25 that is just YouTube. So, yeah. Have you guys, like, do you know the numbers of these Minecraft videos that are on YouTube?

• 20:36Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're insane.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  There's like, there's like a node of Minecraft YouTubers that all have like 10 million subscribers each, they're doing billions of views on YouTube. And it's like, literally three-year-olds, why, it's...

• 20:48Speaker 02

  And it's just like voiceover on Minecraft.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're just playing games. It's crazy. Anyway.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Chevy Bolt?

• 20:53Nilay Patel?

  What?

• 20:53Speaker 02

  I want to talk about what you guys want to talk about. I feel like me and Sam...

• 20:56Nilay Patel?

  You and Sam just run away with nonsense.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  This is quality content.

• 21:01Nilay Patel?

  Well, I just want to know, like, did you go to the press conferences?

• 21:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 21:04Nilay Patel?

  No?

• 21:05Speaker 01

  She was drinking Starbucks in her hotel room.

• 21:07Nilay Patel?

  Are you just like opting out of CS this whole time?

• 21:09Speaker 02

  I, I wrote some stuff.

• 21:11Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Um, I wrote about my usual wacky connected health crap that's been here that I always...

• 21:18Speaker 03

  Anything good? What do you think of the new Fitbit? We talked about this yesterday.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Um, I, I saw it. It, I think it looks better actually in person than the picture.

• 21:26Nilay Patel?

  This is a faintish phrase.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  I didn't get to use it, really. I didn't get to like...

• 21:29Speaker 01

  Is this a nice one that looks like a nice piece of...

• 21:31Speaker 02

  I put it on and I like, like, paged through the menus and that was really the extent of me using it. But, um, I, I think it's a good move for them. I mean, five days of battery life and the color screen and being able to...

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Classic.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Track your workouts and also hopefully get better heart rate monitoring. If they had probably email on there too, I would say that I have everything that I do.

• 21:54Nilay Patel?

  You mean texting?

• 21:55Speaker 02

  They have texting, they don't have email.

• 21:56Nilay Patel?

  Oh, I see.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  It would, I would say if they had email, it would probably do every single thing I do on my Apple Watch.

• 22:01Nilay Patel?

  Let me ask you, are there car companies coming after you?

• 22:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of car things here.

• 22:05Nilay Patel?

  But are they, but are they like approaching you as a Wall Street Journal reviewer to go play with stuff? What are they, what are they pitching you?

• 22:10Speaker 02

  A lot of the interface improvements, things that are going on, you know, innovation at the, at the companies.

• 22:17Nilay Patel?

  It's just like super broad topics.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:19Nilay Patel?

  We want you to do a story about innovation.

• 22:21Speaker 02

  I mean, last year I covered both CarPlay and Android Auto and they were, I loved covering both of them. And if I bought a car right now, I would not buy one without probably CarPlay, even though I liked Android Auto better. But I'm not fully on an Android phone all the time.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  Well, I think one of the stories of the show is that Samsung and LG actually know how to make interfaces as long as they're not doing it on a phone.

• 22:42Nilay Patel?

  Right, as long as they're not skinning something.

• 22:44Speaker 03

  As long as they're not skinning something.

• 22:45Nilay Patel?

  Where, where are LG's interfaces live?

• 22:47Speaker 02

  The WebOS TV looks really nice.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  They just, yeah, there's that, but there's also, they, apparently LG was involved in creating the interface for the infotainment system on the Chevy Bolt. And Chris, if you go watch a video, you know, Chris tried it out, he actually really likes it. It's got a like a really obvious like widget system for all the stuff you want to have showing on your car. And you can like, it goes fullscreen, it's, it's responsive and fast. It's not slow and crappy like every other car interface is.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  And you can still get Android Auto and, and CarPlay and Chevy's on the Bolt too, anyway, right?

• 23:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. And then, you know, Samsung's TV, I think is great. I think the fridge has got a decent interface.

• 23:22Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  Uh, it's like, as long as they're not skinning Android, surprise, they know what they're doing.

• 23:28Nilay Patel?

  Well, it's, I, you, Dieter wrote a thing about Tizen this morning, I think is like super interesting. Cause I went and played with a bunch of Samsung stuff. It's like Samsung made Tizen and everyone thought it was for, um, competing with phones and pulling away from Google. And maybe, maybe one day that will be true. But in the meantime, they control an operating system stack that they are using, um, to make really smart other things. I mean, that's basically your, you know.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:53Nilay Patel?

  Right?

• 23:53Speaker 03

  I just, I just talked about it. I have nothing else to say. You did what I, what I thought of.

• 23:56Nilay Patel?

  Well, no, it's just really interesting, cause like. I don't know that I would want them to use Android for this stuff like

• 24:01Speaker 03

  No.

• 24:02Nilay Patel?

  There's a lot of stuff Samsung makes where I'd prefer that it not be Android. Or I'd prefer that Google's ideas would be some other, like the TV is a really good example. Like, do you want Samsung to just make an Android TV? Or do you want them to try something new? And because they tried something new, they've done more integration with TV stuff than anything Google's been able to do yet.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  I want to go check out the TV, the Samsung TV stuff now.

• 24:24Nilay Patel?

  It's cool.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I bought a Samsung TV last year. Does that mean I'm not getting any of this?

• 24:29Nilay Patel?

  Why didn't you wait for HDR?

• 24:31Speaker 02

  Oh, I have HDR.

• 24:32Nilay Patel?

  Oh, okay.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:34Nilay Patel?

  Do you watch anything in HDR at home? Is there anything available to you in HDR?

• 24:38Speaker 02

  I think some Amazon content.

• 24:41Nilay Patel?

  Oh, yeah. I feel like a real problem for all these-

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Actually, no, I have. I think Transparent has HDR.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Does it say like available?

• 24:48Speaker 02

  They say it has Ultra HD. All I know is Transparent looked amazing.

• 24:51Nilay Patel?

  That just means it's 4K.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 24:53Nilay Patel?

  So, but they would need HDR as well?

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:57Nilay Patel?

  Did it shine like-

• 24:58Speaker 02

  It doesn't, content doesn't have to have HDR and 4K.

• 25:01Nilay Patel?

  Right, you can be 4K.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  You can be without HDR.

• 25:03Speaker 03

  Do you watch your TVs at max brightness?

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Hell no.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  Right, so HDR primarily works by making stuff way brighter, right?

• 25:11Speaker 01

  Well-

• 25:11Speaker 02

  And enhancing the color.

• 25:12Speaker 03

  It sucks.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  It makes the darks darker, right?

• 25:15Nilay Patel?

  No.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  No, only relative to, making the darks darker is a different technology. HDR is about the, the, the size of the gamut between dark, light and dark. And it primarily does it by making it lighter.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Have you seen Sony's, they have like direct comparison? They have like a TV that's split with non, or SDR and HDR and then they have them on top of each other. You really do see the difference. It's, it's literally like when you take a, a photo on your phone and you turn on HDR and you look at the two of them. Like when you take a picture of the sky, it's basically just like that.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Yes, Transparent did have HDR enabled. All I know is that Transparent looked fucking amazing on my TV. I mean like, I mean it's an amazing show, but like, there's, you know, you don't, when- Like when you, you come to a show like this, you like, look at the display and you really appreciate it. And then when you first get your new TV, you're like, oh wow, this looks amazing. Then you get used to it. And then there are times like you're watching a show and you're just like, wow, this looks fucking amazing.

• 26:07Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  You know, like you just like stop thinking about the content for a second and I'm just like, this is my TV.

• 26:11Nilay Patel?

  Your TV's UHD, 4K, Joanna?

• 26:13Speaker 02

  I'm like, yeah, that's my TV, you know, but like-

• 26:15Speaker 03

  You got a SUD?

• 26:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  SUD?

• 26:17Speaker 02

  I did, I got a SUD.

• 26:19Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  The remote sucks.

• 26:20Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, that's real bad.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  I'm in search for, uh, I'm gonna do a piece on this soon for like a-

• 26:25Nilay Patel?

  And you're gonna end up recommending a stupid Logitech Harmony and it's bad.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  That's the best one that I've had so far.

• 26:30Nilay Patel?

  Yep.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  I've had like 10 in my apartment and they all are so bad.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  I just keep replacing the battery when they explode.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  You have the one with the, um, well, they have like 730, 950.

• 26:40Speaker 03

  No, this is the old one. The old Harmony one, it's like 7 years old.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  You can't get that anymore.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you can buy the batteries for it on Amazon because the rechargeable battery dies about once every 3 years.

• 26:50Nilay Patel?

  Peter and I play the same game.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  I will use that battery to control my TV.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  You guys prefer, uh, smart TVs? Like, do you enjoy having all that garbage?

• 26:59Speaker 03

  If I had a smart TV that was good, I would definitely prefer it to a Xbox.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  I, I love just, you plug in an HDMI cable into the TV, you plug an HDMI cable into the Xbox and you're done. Or into your laptop or into your Apple TV, like, the TV, I, I really just think it should be a-

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:16Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  I haven't like, yeah.

• 27:19Nilay Patel?

  The, like Samsung's new ones are fast.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, that was a huge problem was the interfaces were always so slow.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Mine's not so slow. I mean, I use it for Amazon, cause now I don't have to use the Roku because it's built into that. And so now I just use Apple TV and Samsung's interface.

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, like if you don't have Apple TV or Roku.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  And I don't, I don't like using Google Cast, cause when we're picking a show, we wanna pick it together.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  So you gotta do that on the TV, it's not on the phone.

• 27:45Nilay Patel?

  Oh, we should talk about this, there's actually a huge trend here, which is Google Cast speakers are everywhere.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  I putted it in.

• 27:49Nilay Patel?

  I saw it, it transitioned, it was okay.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  So, so what?

• 27:52Nilay Patel?

  It was a real ass speakers.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Like, what does that mean?

• 27:54Nilay Patel?

  So, there's a bunch of Google Cast speakers. For like years, Thomas Ricker and I have come to the show and like looked for cool AirPlay things, right?

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, you always wrote about AirPlay.

• 28:05Nilay Patel?

  We were always coming here and finding AirPlay things and they all suck. And the only AirPlay thing that's any good now is the Apple TV itself.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:12Nilay Patel?

  And you can AirPlay video to the Apple TV, and even that's pretty flaky.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:15Nilay Patel?

  It's not, it's not-

• 28:17Speaker 03

  Like, I used to think of AirPlay and iMessage as the two moats around the iPhone that nobody could cross. And like, AirPlay is like, kinda gone, right? But, Google Cast is really good.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  So meaning you have speakers and you just, you connect it to your wifi and then you can just...

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, so you have Chromecast Audio.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  I have Chromecast Audio and the new Chromecast.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  Now you just have these new speakers, they have it built in directly. And if you're on Spotify, the native...

• 28:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, yeah, connected devices and...

• 28:41Speaker 03

  It's way native, and it's like, really fast and really great, and it's like, cheap.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  So you could just, instead of buying the Chromecast Audio that if you already have a speaker system, you just buy these speakers? Who makes the speakers? Anyone good?

• 28:53Speaker 03

  They added a bunch of art partners.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Sonos?

• 28:56Speaker 03

  Romfeld.

• 28:57Nilay Patel?

  Sonos is never gonna make it.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Sonos is not gonna give up their technology.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Fair. Who the, what the hell is Romfeld?

• 29:02Speaker 02

  But actually, how...

• 29:03Speaker 03

  That's just the first one, there's a bunch more.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  How is linking multiple rooms and, and, um, like, accounts to...

• 29:10Speaker 01

  I dunno, I like plugging shit in still.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Well, accounts is not a problem. If it's on the wifi network, you can set it up so that it'll allow anybody to stream to it up from the wifi network. The, the, the multi-room thing is more complicated, so I think the Google Cast Audio puck supports multi-room audio. But the thing we're gonna need to see is if all these speakers are up to date with that multi-room stuff. They ought to be, but it's possible they might not, because it might be a, you know, slightly different version of the Google Cast OS. We'll have to see. Which, by the way, I think is probably Chrome OS.

• 29:39Nilay Patel?

  Underneath?

• 29:39Speaker 03

  Underneath, yeah.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  Really?

• 29:41Speaker 01

  So you need, you need the Google Cast app on your phone to set up the speakers then, right?

• 29:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:45Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  You could do it on the web. Uh, BNO, uh, Harman Kardon, Onkyo, Philips, Pioneer, Romfeld, LG, Dino and Sony.

• 29:54Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  How the hell did, did, did Apple not get AirPlay on all of those first?

• 29:59Speaker 02

  They did, though, right? Didn't they have some air...

• 30:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have a Pioneer AirPlay receiver, and it like, kinda works. It just doesn't most of the time, right? Like...

• 30:08Nilay Patel?

  It kinda works. It's fun. It's like a little bit slow.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  It sounds like pretty much everything in my life.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  I know, I would agree that.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  You're a technology reporter.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Google Cast is more reliable than Apple TVs.

• 30:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, although Apple AirPlay works when you don't have an internet connection. In a way that Cast is not as good at. Like, direct streaming from the device to the thing you're streaming to with Google is terrible. Like, when you try and stream a Chrome Tab to-

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's bad.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  It's bad.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  But when you're pulling it from the Chromecast itself-

• 30:36Speaker 03

  When you have internet, it's great.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Right. If you're like using YouTube- Like, when I cast something from my phone using the YouTube app, it like actually does it from the Chromecast itself. But when you're doing that with AirPlay, did you know that if you AirPlay a YouTube video on your phone and you close- Like, you lock your phone at "stop"? It's so stupid.

• 30:55Nilay Patel?

  That's what I'm saying. It used to be this mode. And now it's like, they just didn't pay a lot of attention to it.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:00Nilay Patel?

  So I think that's really cool. And then the other big trend here, this is so silly. We talked about the retro stuff. So that's one big trend. The speakers. There's like USB-C stuff.

• 31:10Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  It's not stupid.

• 31:11Nilay Patel?

  It blew out. I didn't say it was stupid. It was a big trend.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  It was stupid.

• 31:16Nilay Patel?

  So this is like when I think-

• 31:17Speaker 02

  I said it was stupid.

• 31:18Nilay Patel?

  So I think about this show is like, Vlad wrote this piece about how CS is just a mall.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  CS is a mall.

• 31:25Nilay Patel?

  But this is all the stuff that's gonna be invested this year, right?

• 31:28Speaker 01

  What USB-C stuff?

• 31:29Speaker 03

  There's a bunch of monitors, some of which are like- I think one or two of which are like standalone, so you don't need to plug them in. They just power up over the USB. So you carry around a monitor. It's like Duet on a tablet, but it's just the USB-C monitor.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Doesn't that wreck the battery?

• 31:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if you're plugged in-

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, but how are you plugged in?

• 31:48Speaker 03

  No, but how much does charging an iPad wreck your battery?

• 31:51Nilay Patel?

  Same cable, so you plug the-

• 31:54Speaker 01

  No, but you go USB-C to the monitor, right? But then how are you- you can't charge the MacBook. You need the adapter, right?

• 32:00Speaker 03

  Well, some computers have more than one USB-C cable, it turns out.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:05Nilay Patel?

  Not every, they're not just MacBook accessories.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  HP and Dell announced that they have USB Type C.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Okay, I missed that, I missed that, okay.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Lots of.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  There were hard drives. There was a sweet-looking, I think it was a Lacy, Lacy hard drive.

• 32:14Nilay Patel?

  The ChromaPixel is a USB-C.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:16Nilay Patel?

  My favorite computer.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, they announced a bunch of hard drives that are USB Type C.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  Yep. There's a MagSafe for the MacBook.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, that thing looks cool.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  I saw that, I saw that, yeah.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  That thing looks...

• 32:26Speaker 01

  I mean, it had to happen, right? Like, everyone's been talking about USB-C for years. And it's like, it's finally happening.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Right. Well, next month are we gonna see, like, finally, all these phones have USB-C, too?

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Hmm, yeah. Well, the, the rumor, uh, this week is the, uh, Galaxy S7 is gonna use USB-C.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  That's big.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  That doesn't surprise me at all.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  That's kind of where, like, that's what will kick this off.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  Uh, the other thing that happened with the USB-C this week is it almost, uh, I almost fried my laptop.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  Saw it.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. I was using one of the knockoff USB-C cables that wasn't, like, official enough.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Not that, not your Air.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  This Air, right here, I almost destroyed it. Because it, uh, it overheated, it, it overheated the MacBook when I was trying to charge my phone off of it. I bought a USB-C phone.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, oh, oh.

• 33:05Speaker 03

  And so when I was charging my phone off of it, it, uh, it was pulling too much power.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  It's USB 2 to USB C?

• 33:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, USB A.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  USB A, okay. And, and what happened? It got hot?

• 33:14Speaker 03

  It got hot, and then the, uh, like, there was like a thermal protection thing built into the hardware of the USB that, like, shut off the USB for a while.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  Whoa. So you could've lost your phone and laptop.

• 33:23Nilay Patel?

  Wait, you figured it out?

• 33:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, the, uh, some, some guy on Twitter, some very smart guy on Twitter figured it out.

• 33:28Nilay Patel?

  Stephen Chalmers?

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. Had to wait for the, the thermals to come back.

• 33:31Nilay Patel?

  That's crazy.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  So anyway, check the, find the reviews from, uh, the guy from the Chroma team.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  I thought you bought a MacBook.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought you had one, too.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  No, I, it was a review, and I was gonna, I've been, I've like, I borrow a review unit, like, once every three months, and it's like, I'm gonna do it, and then I like, no, I'm not.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:45Speaker 03

  I'm waiting for the processors to upgrade to happen.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Well, I saw Thomas, Thomas Ricker with his MacBook, and he had like...

• 33:49Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, he loves it. He loves that thing.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  But he's carrying around that cute...

• 33:52Speaker 03

  Oh, everything looks like that now.

• 33:53Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, every, like...

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Oh, god, yeah.

• 33:55Nilay Patel?

  Um...

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Those new Samsung laptops?

• 33:56Nilay Patel?

  The Samsung one, Dell-made one.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  Dell-made one. LG-made one.

• 33:59Nilay Patel?

  LG, the LG one is, like, egregious.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:02Nilay Patel?

  I, here's what, here's my, I have, I have a belief about Samsung and LG. That will probably get us not invited to every LG press conference.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  They are the same company.

• 34:09Nilay Patel?

  They're, no, no, they're not. Samsung is, like, trying to do something new, and LG remains the shameless one.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:16Nilay Patel?

  LG will just crazy do shameless crazy shit all the time. What? Dan is just like, he's staring at me like I'm crazy.

• 34:22Speaker 04

  All I'm saying is that LG did the gram.

• 34:24Speaker 03

  LG did the gram?

• 34:26Nilay Patel?

  LG did the gram.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Before.

• 34:28Nilay Patel?

  That's true, LG did the gram. But I just think attitudinally, like Samsung is like the outperforming first child. And LG is like the fucking drunk one.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  So where does that leave Sony?

• 34:43Nilay Patel?

  Huh?

• 34:43Speaker 01

  Sony is like, Sony is like the, the coolest stepbrother.

• 34:47Nilay Patel?

  No, yeah, Sony's a stepbrother from another family that shows up.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  No, he's like the, he's like the uncle that you think is cool, but then you grow up and you realize he was just drunk.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Everyone is drunk.

• 34:57Nilay Patel?

  I'm Sony. That's why I like Sony so much.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Nilay, what's, Nilay?

• 34:59Nilay Patel?

  Drian is like looking around the audience.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was thinking about getting a.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Nilay, what's the coolest thing you've seen so far? What's the coolest thing you've seen so far?

• 35:06Nilay Patel?

  It's the coolest thing I've seen.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  I mean, it's literally only day one. Of the show floor.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  I'm leaving tomorrow morning.

• 35:12Nilay Patel?

  Are you just trying to show over it?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  I need to get back to New York. I need to get back to my, and my wife.

• 35:18Nilay Patel?

  I haven't seen that much. I will say, um, I am kind of like really into drones. I think this is a thing that happens to you.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  This is, this is, you're approaching dad levels right now. I hear the dad is you.

• 35:29Nilay Patel?

  I just think it's like a really fascinating thing.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Did you buy a house upstate?

• 35:34Nilay Patel?

  No, but when I do, I will fly over it with a drone whenever I wish.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 35:39Nilay Patel?

  I bought one for my father-in-law for Christmas and I have a lot of drones and, uh.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  How long, like, how, if you buy a $2,000 drone.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  Your dad.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  You're not actually like using it to watch yourself mountain bike or like check your crops or whatever. Like, you're gonna go out.

• 35:54Nilay Patel?

  My father-in-law literally is using it.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  To check his crops.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  But like, if you're just buying it as a toy, I can't.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  What?

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Like, what are you gonna do with the footage you capture?

• 36:03Nilay Patel?

  No, so I don't think drones are interesting for that. Well, I, I think it's, they're like fat. They, the one I bought, my father-in-law's Phantom 3, it goes like 30 miles an hour.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:12Nilay Patel?

  It's like super fun.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:13Nilay Patel?

  But what's interesting.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  And also like how it works is just like insane.

• 36:16Nilay Patel?

  Right.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Like when you're setting that thing up and it like just knows where your phone is and like, the whole thing is kind of insane.

• 36:24Nilay Patel?

  So what I think is really interesting about that, and this kind of goes to like Sam and ridables is like. It's doing most of the work for you.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:32Nilay Patel?

  Right, and then you can just be like, "Go here, do that." And so, I looked around, I was at the Intel booth for a minute today.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  Did you see it?

• 36:37Nilay Patel?

  Um, the segue that like follows you around the robot. Oh, and then they have, they have the drone that now has a RealSense camera that can like look around it.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Wait, Intel, Intel's RealSense is a drone?

• 36:48Speaker 03

  Ah, no, it's in, it's in a production drone that's coming out, uh, this year.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  Who makes that?

• 36:52Speaker 03

  Uh, it's Yunkie.

• 36:53Nilay Patel?

  Unique.

• 36:54Speaker 03

  Unique, sorry, Unique the Typhoon, the Typhoon.

• 36:56Nilay Patel?

  It's here.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  And it has a RealSense camera and you can like go and like wave your hand at it and see the like infrared version of your hand. And they've got it going around a drone cage following a dude.

• 37:05Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, Intel is so deep into drones, they just bought a drone company and they've put.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, that's right. Unique is the electric skateboarder, have the Ego. That's the one I bought.

• 37:13Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:14Nilay Patel?

  So, what's interesting to me, like, what, what gets me out of that stuff is like, you see the themes here where all these computers are helping you do stuff in ways that feel like you're still doing stuff. So you fly a drone and it's like, "Oh, I'm flying this drone, like, I'm doing all this work."

• 37:29Speaker 01

  You're doing minimal operation though.

• 37:31Nilay Patel?

  And like, really, you're just going like, up, left, and like the computer is doing all of the work.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Well, that Lily drone is supposed to come out this year. That was the Kickstarter project.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  You have to follow, you just throw it.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  That's just throw it and you, it falls everywhere.

• 37:43Nilay Patel?

  Right, and like, right, and so now they can see you, they can follow you, they can track you.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw that thing.

• 37:48Nilay Patel?

  Um, so I look at.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Again, I don't have a use for them, so I like haven't really been into it, other than like, yeah, it's cool to get the video, I guess.

• 37:56Nilay Patel?

  But I think we're in the first, like, I don't think Phantom knew that what people were gonna use drones for in the beginning was like, video.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:04Nilay Patel?

  Like, the first Phantoms had no camera mounts, people were just strapping GoPros to them. And like, they got to the point where they made the Phantom.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  That's Michael Jackson.

• 38:13Nilay Patel?

  It's just a Michael Jackson. Welcome to CES. They got to the point where they're just making.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  That's probably not gonna stop.

• 38:19Nilay Patel?

  It's definitely gonna stop.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  It's stopped.

• 38:21Nilay Patel?

  Um, I got it.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  I don't think you got it.

• 38:25Nilay Patel?

  I got it.

• 38:26Speaker 03

  Somebody got it.

• 38:26Nilay Patel?

  I made a face, the face was responded to, and then it was gotten. Let's be clear. Um.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Do you wanna just?

• 38:33Speaker 02

  How is working for him going? How is the power?

• 38:38Speaker 02

  Not gone to his head.

• 38:40Nilay Patel?

  But the face was just do the thing that was previously agreed to.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  You know, Neil Iface.

• 38:44Nilay Patel?

  No, no, no, but if you just think about like the DJI didn't know that the Phantom would do anything. And then they made the Phantom 2 Vision with a Groove port mount. And then the Phantom 3, they're like, okay, we make our own cameras.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:55Nilay Patel?

  Um, like they didn't know, they just like iterated their way towards what the thing is. I don't, and whatever, and they'll still make those forever. But if you just think about a world in which things are better at moving for you and by themselves. Like it could be a car, like it doesn't have to be a car first though.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:13Nilay Patel?

  Right? It could be this weird Intel robot thing that they have rolling around there. It could be.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Sam skateboard.

• 39:20Nilay Patel?

  It could be telepresence things in the office that actually know. Uh, like when I was in Intel's booth, I went up to a meeting and there was just like random telepresence robots just like driving themselves home. It was like crazy. But the people had been in meetings and then they like, they disconnected from their laptops and the robot just like drove itself home.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:38Nilay Patel?

  Um, it's wild.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 39:40Nilay Patel?

  And it's just like, can you just imagine a world in which things are better at moving themselves is like, that's actually really exciting.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  So that's like cars and drones and rideables.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Well, cars and drones and rideables and like, and you know, Amazon's got robots packing stuff up in factories. Um, they're like, think of stuff that has to move in like very small context, all the way up to very big context. So like, it could be down to like, yeah, I want a robot to get me a beer. Like that would be cool. But like, it doesn't have to actually involve me as a human being. It could involve just robots talking to robots, robots talking to physical things.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  Are they gonna talk to us?

• 40:14Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  I like that piece today by Casey. I haven't, I haven't finished the whole thing, but that's a, that's a whole big thing about talking to robots, huh?

• 40:21Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Well, I mean, it's like, you have to get beyond apps. Like how do you?

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Beyond apps.

• 40:27Nilay Patel?

  Well, I mean, you can only, you can't, like if everybody has a phone, all the average number of apps downloaded on a phone is zero. Like you've kind of, the average number of apps downloaded on a smartphone is zero.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Is that true?

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Where is that stat from?

• 40:38Nilay Patel?

  Casey tells it to me all the time.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  What, people buy, get a phone and don't download apps?

• 40:43Speaker 02

  They don't download Facebook first.

• 40:44Nilay Patel?

  Tons of people do this.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Worldwide.

• 40:46Nilay Patel?

  Worldwide.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  Like, across the...

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  All...

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Like, Facebook is, I assume, like, one of the first things, the billion of people, bill, billion people on Facebook download on their phone.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, but Facebook is preparing for a world in which it's not happening. That's the, the, the whole story of the information about getting ready to, in case they don't have to have apps. And Facebook cares a lot about the performance of their app, uh, over HTML on, on really crappy connections, because a lot of people just can't have access to it.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Don't calculate math over here.

• 41:12Nilay Patel?

  I just do some math. There's, I just wanted to look at the, the, I wanted to have the lesson. There's seven billion people on Earth, right? So, like, even if you start adding phones to all those other six billion people, like, they might download Facebook.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Right. Well, in, in a lot of the places where they don't yet have phones, Facebook is strategically trying to be on those phones before they get them. So they're already on the phones.

• 41:32Nilay Patel?

  Right, but what I think is interesting is, like, maybe the kinds of technologies that actually go to those places or come to the rest of us aren't apps, right? They're, they're extensions of phones that do things that phones can't do.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:44Nilay Patel?

  And, like, moving is one of those things.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 41:47Nilay Patel?

  Right? And, like, having a conversation with you in, through notifications or chat client.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  It's like Zuckerberg's goal for the year.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:55Nilay Patel?

  Right.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Saw that, right?

• 41:56Nilay Patel?

  Zuckerberg is building Jarvis. And, like, you see that stuff starting to, like, take root here. Like, it's, I don't, it's, we should probably write the piece that connects the drones to the self-driving cars, right?

• 42:05Speaker 03

  I mean...

• 42:05Nilay Patel?

  Those are the same objects. The drones are just smaller and fly.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  And propellers that can...

• 42:09Speaker 03

  But it also, it does...

• 42:10Speaker 02

  And I would just like to be in those, so I could easily go above Manhattan and get to work.

• 42:14Nilay Patel?

  There was a, did you not see?

• 42:15Speaker 02

  I saw that thing.

• 42:16Nilay Patel?

  Autonomous helicopter that got announced today.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  What?

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a, it's a quadcopter.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  But it's big, it's so big it can have a person fit inside it.

• 42:23Nilay Patel?

  It's called, and it's got a perfect mode for, uh, name for you. It's called the e-hang.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  No, it's not.

• 42:29Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's called the melenocopter.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  The melenocopter.

• 42:34Nilay Patel?

  It's great.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Can I, is there, is there a working prototype?

• 42:37Nilay Patel?

  No.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, you don't have natural scrolling on?

• 42:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:41Nilay Patel?

  Natural scrolling is for stupid people.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Not gonna talk about, wow, that's nuts.

• 42:48Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, it's a helicopter.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Is this thing at CES?

• 42:51Nilay Patel?

  I don't know, we have to, we're gonna have to find it.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, let me see it. Let me see the picture.

• 42:53Nilay Patel?

  There you go. There's a picture.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Yes. Uh, oh, wait, that's not the one that I think I saw. Then there's a... A drone with a seat.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Isn't that the same thing?

• 43:03Nilay Patel?

  Are you thinking of the sea plane?

• 43:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 43:05Nilay Patel?

  Oh, okay. Well, so yeah, so now the drones are gonna fly people in them, which is crazy.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 43:13Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, it's the best. I've checked the autonomous helicopter.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  I want it. I really want that.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  Think about all the things that you do, either moving or like dealing with corporations that require just lots and lots of like lizard brain rote steps. Like if you have a fraud alert on your credit card and you need to call it, like you gotta find the number, you find the number, you dial the number. You press one.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  You punch in your, the last four digits of your account number, you find that, you punch in your social.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  So what, what cuts into all of that?

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Like, think about all the amount of, the amount of stuff in all the steps it takes to get you to talk to a person that says, oh yeah, you're, I'm cool, you're cool, we're done.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  But can you take that and apply that to like going to work?

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, what I'm saying is like, if you think about how much actual intellectual effort goes into most of the steps, it's actually not that much.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Nothing, yeah.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  And like, if you could have a bot just do those steps.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  And so what are the other things that don't take a bunch of intellectual work to do? Driving to work, going and like, I don't know, cleaning my house, so I got a robot vacuum. Like, we're at a place now where we can just make stuff that does those things.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  The, the work now is to actually put it together into products that can actually talk to each other and aren't too creepy. And eventually don't kill us all, right? Like, that's, that's the mission for the next couple of years.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Can we talk about, can we talk about like Uber and Lyft?

• 44:27Nilay Patel?

  Well, I mean, GM is just.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Right. But it's like, are we, are, how, how close are we to a world where I can call in self-driving Uber?

• 44:36Speaker 03

  Well, that depends on who you ask. If you ask Nvidia, we're very far because like the first 95% of driving is super easy and the last 5% is hard.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I mean, GeoHawk did it by himself. Uh, Tesla's rolling out over a software update, more or less. I think we're close.

• 44:53Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Where we can do it, but regulations are gonna stop us.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 44:57Nilay Patel?

  I mean, the number is 2020 or 2030.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  That's what everybody always says.

• 45:01Nilay Patel?

  2020 or 2030.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  It's a question of like, what's our risk tolerance for those edge cases?

• 45:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:06Speaker 03

  If we can get it from 5% of like things that it can't handle down to 1%. And like we, at that 1%, we know that like self-driving cars will kill fewer people than even driven driving cars.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Will we be able to make the mental shift to be like, that's, that's an acceptable risk of death? And will, will we be able, as a society, to be like, we know who to blame when that acceptable risk of death happens?

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Right, because these things have to be programmed to kill. Right? In one way or another. Right? Because if, if the car sees a pedestrian, you know, running into the road, do they run over that pedestrian or go and, you know, veer over?

• 45:35Speaker 03

  The bridge.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Right, see that whole, that whole thing.

• 45:37Speaker 03

  Right.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  It's like you deal with ethics then too.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  But, I don't know. I'm excited for a self-driving car future. Have you been, have you been in a Tesla that has lane assist yet?

• 45:45Nilay Patel?

  No.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  It is unbelievable. It is so surreal.

• 45:49Nilay Patel?

  Lane assist or the auto drive?

• 45:50Speaker 01

  It's the same thing.

• 45:51Nilay Patel?

  Oh.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, it's not.

• 45:53Nilay Patel?

  Hmm. Lots of cars have lane assist.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Lane assist tells you that there's somebody else in the, it's like...

• 45:59Nilay Patel?

  No, but there are some cars that will steer for you.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Tesla.

• 46:02Nilay Patel?

  Tesla will drive itself.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, well...

• 46:05Speaker 02

  I thought it will, I thought lane assist will like, speed you up or slow you down.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Whatever, whatever.

• 46:09Nilay Patel?

  It depends on the car.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Version 7.0, the Tesla that they rolled out over the air, that whatever drives for you, it's cool.

• 46:16Nilay Patel?

  Did you do this with the?

• 46:19Nilay Patel?

  Red mouse?

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:20Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  It was, it was really, it's like, really just weird, being in a vehicle that's moving for you. But like, like, to your point, Dieter, these, we think we're moving toward that point.

• 46:33Nilay Patel?

  Alright, so what else are you gonna look at at CSM?

• 46:36Speaker 03

  You gotta put yourself into Fallout 4.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Excuse me?

• 46:39Speaker 03

  You gotta put yourself into Fallout 4.

• 46:40Nilay Patel?

  Does Intel have the coolest stuff here?

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Fallout 4, the game?

• 46:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. They, you can, they'll, you go and sit in a stool, and then a dude points a tablet at you for two minutes, and then you wait a minute for it to go on the cloud, and then your face gets put into Fallout 4.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  That's an Intel?

• 46:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Where is Intel's? Oh, it's like, right at the beginning, right?

• 46:56Speaker 02

  We were there.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, that's the giant man strategy thing.

• 46:58Nilay Patel?

  Sam, what else are you gonna look at here? What else, what are you going for? What's on your list?

• 47:03Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know. I kinda wanna go back to South Hall. I saw like the Razors new camera. I haven't used that yet. Um, I mean, you like there's the gadgets are back, right? So there's there. I wanna like

• 47:16Speaker 02

  They're back.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  They were back last year.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  They went away for like a month between when Eli said they were back, but now they came back after that month when they

• 47:24Nilay Patel?

  They went away for five years.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  They're rebacked.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  But they came back last year.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  There's so many.

• 47:29Speaker 02

  And then they went away like I think they went away at the end of December for like maybe two days and then they came back for a year.

• 47:34Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, they always take vacation.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Take a little vacation so Eli can write.

• 47:38Nilay Patel?

  The gadgets do all these really, really annoying Instagrams from vacation spots.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  I want to, uh, I wanna ride, uh, who bought, um, Segway? Who is it? What company bought Segway?

• 47:49Nilay Patel?

  They're right over there.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. Who bought them?

• 47:51Speaker 03

  It's, uh,

• 47:52Speaker 01

  Someone bought Segway.

• 47:53Nilay Patel?

  Ninebot.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  Ninebot. Um, I wanna ride that little thing.

• 47:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  That seems cool. And then there's like all these just like electric scooters and like these little electric transport vehicles that are cool. I mean, you know, I ride an electric skateboard to work, so it's like kind of just what I think about all the time. Um, it's like rideables. Uh, but other than that, uh,

• 48:12Speaker 02

  I fell off an electric scooter yesterday.

• 48:14Nilay Patel?

  Wait, tell me this whole story.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 48:16Nilay Patel?

  How do we not spend the entire time talking about this story?

• 48:18Speaker 02

  I didn't really fall off. Jeff was driving it and I was on the back of it and then, yeah.

• 48:24Nilay Patel?

  Was that the white one that's in the parking lot?

• 48:25Speaker 02

  No, it was the one that was at, um, Pepcom. It's called the Urby, I believe.

• 48:32Nilay Patel?

  Wow. Sam is literally vlogging right now.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  Sam's gonna teach me how to do a rideable. Sam has become my new life coach.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  On YouTube, he puts up a vlog every day.

• 48:42Nilay Patel?

  No, I don't. Every day.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  You should vlog every day. He promises every day.

• 48:45Nilay Patel?

  What is the point of a vlog if you don't do it every day?

• 48:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  You need to do it at least every other day.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Back into the Sam. We roast Sam. That's cool.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  Well, Sam right now, Sam right now is my life coach.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 48:56Nilay Patel?

  Are you, are you gonna? I don't know.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Don't, don't even.

• 48:59Nilay Patel?

  Are you gonna start vlogging?

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  I'm te- I literally am teaching Joanna how to snap.

• 49:03Nilay Patel?

  Sam, I feel like Joanna needs, you need, you need a mission. I feel like I need to give you like a reality show style quest.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  What's your mission this year?

• 49:10Speaker 02

  There is nothing this year. I tried to find it and there was nothing.

• 49:14Nilay Patel?

  You should've just brought the selfie stick back.

• 49:15Speaker 02

  I know.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have one in my bookbag.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Mm, I have one in my hotel room.

• 49:19Nilay Patel?

  Okay.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Where it belongs.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  I don't know, I couldn't find anything that was like really got me, or something that was like super wacky. It just, I couldn't find it.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  That new Keurig machine is interesting.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  That's not wacky, though.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  No, I know, but it's...

• 49:35Speaker 02

  I kinda want one of those.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:37Nilay Patel?

  The soda machine?

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:39Nilay Patel?

  The thing is a huge ripoff.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're all ripoffs.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  It's a massive ripoff.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  A ripoff.

• 49:43Nilay Patel?

  And now we're gonna end the show.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  Your money.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Also, there's like two bartending machines, too.

• 49:48Nilay Patel?

  Here's what I want the people to do. And this will only start to happen later in the day, because we're taping, we're not live. Just tweet @joannastern.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Do not tweet that.

• 49:55Nilay Patel?

  With what you think her CES gimmick should be.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Do not. I'm leaving.

• 49:58Nilay Patel?

  Should it be the selfie stick again?

• 50:00Speaker 02

  I'm leaving.

• 50:00Nilay Patel?

  Should Joanna just be the girl who for whatever reason has a huge flashlight in her hands at all times?

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Flashlight.

• 50:06Nilay Patel?

  She has flashlights.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  I saw a lot of crazy weird stuff, you know, and I think also part of like my disillusionment is that I've been now to enough CES shows where you just, when you see things and you're just like, yeah, there's no way that's coming out.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, like the Faraday future.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  And it's so sad, because you're like, no, but there are these awesome sneakers that you can control with your phone. I don't... What?

• 50:31Nilay Patel?

  The sneakers. Talk about the sneakers.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  The sneakers. Like, I got pitched on like five different pairs of sneakers, and there's one that's really cool. You can control the temperature in the sneakers, you can adjust them, you can count your steps, all of these cool things in the sneakers. And then I went to go see it, and I was like, yeah, this thing's definitely never coming out.

• 50:45Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, because you saw like a prototype.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I was like, oh, god.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  But isn't that what CES is? It's like hopes and dreams and promises.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  It is, but I wanna take it home.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  Here's what we can do. Just wait two years.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yes, and sometimes we see that, but like, another really good example is like, I'm really obsessed with wireless charging right now. And I remember coming to the show seven years ago, I think it was in Gadget, and I wrote about electricity.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  And like, electricity doesn't feel like they're any further along, even though I know they are.

• 51:15Nilay Patel?

  I wrote a story for Engadget called like, "This is Wireless Charging's Year." Do you know how much I regret that story?

• 51:20Speaker 02

  When did you write that story?

• 51:21Nilay Patel?

  It was like, seriously, 2008, 2009.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Was it at the Intel booth?

• 51:24Nilay Patel?

  No.

• 51:26Nilay Patel?

  No, I made, I, why, I thought wireless charging was so deep gonna happen, I went and had them-

• 51:30Speaker 02

  It's always gonna happen.

• 51:32Nilay Patel?

  They had a wireless Foreman grill and I made them make me a burger on it, cause I don't believe-

• 51:34Speaker 01

  What the hell is a wireless Foreman grill?

• 51:36Speaker 02

  And so, let me tell you what I did yesterday, I met with two-

• 51:38Nilay Patel?

  It was inductive, like, it was a Foreman grill, but instead of plugging in the wall, they like, set it on a pad, and the pad provided enough power to the thing-

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Grilling with fire is probably the way it would go.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  And it made you a really great grilled cheese, without wires.

• 51:49Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, except for the wires that were clearly connected to the gigantic metal table that I was standing over. But, if I could take the Foreman grill and walk away, and then that would be useless unless I had another giant metal table, but you see where it's going.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  You need the-

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Yesterday I had two meetings with wireless charging companies, and it's like, "I saw this five years ago, and yes, it's awesome, I want to be able to charge my phone sitting on my couch from a router that's in the garage."

• 52:15Speaker 01

  So you're saying you don't want that Apple case on there?

• 52:17Speaker 02

  No, I love this Apple case, Sam.

• 52:19Nilay Patel?

  We're not talking about the Apple case.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  It's the major, major bust.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  I want to, I want to have this Apple case on all day and Venmo all day-

• 52:26Speaker 01

  It's literally goo, it feels like goo.

• 52:28Nilay Patel?

  How much did Venmo pay you to? I just wanna know, is it, is it a big number? How much did Venmo Venmo you?

• 52:33Speaker 02

  Why are there not gonna be ads?

• 52:35Nilay Patel?

  You realize I can look on Venmo and see- Tomorrow, tomorrow. So you wanna come back for ads tomorrow?

• 52:40Speaker 02

  I'll be back for Squarespace.

• 52:40Nilay Patel?

  You wanna read the ads tomorrow?

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Yes, I was on Gruber's podcast too, and also did about 20 minutes of Squarespace talking.

• 52:46Nilay Patel?

  You just, well, you just read a Squarespace ad?

• 52:48Speaker 02

  I just did.

• 52:48Nilay Patel?

  We should get paid now.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  But, I mean, but, my main point is like, I do love CES, I love seeing these things, and I'm like, "This is gonna be amazing, we're gonna watch it happen." I guess I'm getting very frustrated, year after year, not seeing some of these things happen, or they just don't get better. And it gets better, you know, it gets better.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Can I just, for the people, for the people that are listening to this at home, or like, in your car, on the way to work or something, CES-

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Or on your ride-able.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  Or on your ride-able, I just, I just wanna make it really clear- I just wanna make it really clear that CES is very cool, and I think we're all a little bit jaded after being here, seriously, for like, eight, nine, 10 years in a row, it's like, it feels like the same thing every year, but if you've never been to CES, it like, will seem very glorious, and it is, it's very tiring, but, like, really, you, this is- is where you come to see all the cool stuff like we are definitely like oh it's all the same every year but like you don't get to see an 8k 98 inch TV every day just like I think like the it's the little things like just walking into a thing and seeing you know LG's booth has like 80 TVs like it's creating this massive display and it's like

• 53:53Speaker 02

  VR is

• 53:54Speaker 01

  VR is taken over

• 53:55Speaker 02

  10 years ago, 9 years ago

• 53:57Speaker 01

  There's nothing

• 53:58Speaker 02

  Eli, remember when I came to my first CES with you and you made me go to the Vuzix booth?

• 54:01Nilay Patel?

  Wow, Vuzix?

• 54:02Speaker 02

  And you made me put on that terrible headset?

• 54:04Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  And now look, now look how far I've come.

• 54:07Nilay Patel?

  I mean, and I was, and I was right that day.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  I'm just saying like, remember that? But like, now VR is, I mean, yes, it's not here for everybody.

• 54:18Speaker 03

  You have to set your expectations and understand that there are inter updates here that happen.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  Right, and we, but we, we are in the trenches of those inter updates.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Last year, one of our reporters, Sean McCain, was on a desperate, desperate hunt for true wireless earbuds. You put one on your

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Sean, right, yeah.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  Right, or like, just, and like, he found a couple, they were garbage, and they weren't ever gonna come out, you just knew in his heart they weren't ever gonna come out. There's like 3 or 4 pairs here this year, and they're actually really good. So it went from like, impossible dream to garbage prototype to retail product in 3 years, like, that's like

• 54:49Nilay Patel?

  So 2 years from now, those, you're wearing those sneakers.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, wearing the sneakers, wireless charging.

• 54:54Nilay Patel?

  With a VR headset, huh?

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 54:56Nilay Patel?

  You'll basically be a baby. Your shoes will tie themselves for you while you live in a virtual world.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  And wireless charge my shoes.

• 55:01Nilay Patel?

  And a helicopter will fly you.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Have you guys seen these VR headsets now that, maybe the Vive does this, I'm not sure, because I have somehow yet to play with that thing. I also have never tried a Morpheus.

• 55:10Nilay Patel?

  Let's go, after this, let's go try the Morpheus.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  It's here? Morpheus is here?

• 55:13Nilay Patel?

  Sony has Morpheus.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  Sony has it.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  I haven't tried it either, but the lines long.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Have you guys seen these, these VR headsets with the cameras now? So it's like VR and AR combined, so you put on the headset, you're in virtual world, but you like see your hands.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  There was one

• 55:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're like pass-through cameras.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:29Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  I haven't done anything, like the

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Like Oculus doesn't do that, right?

• 55:33Speaker 02

  That's what's gonna be great about getting these, is like

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Gear VR does do that?

• 55:36Nilay Patel?

  It doesn't do like AR, it

• 55:38Speaker 01

  No, Gear VR is like you put the phone in, right, and it's like doing that.

• 55:41Nilay Patel?

  You can flip on the camera and like look around.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  You can turn on the camera.

• 55:44Nilay Patel?

  It's super weird.

• 55:45Speaker 02

  But that's mostly like, so you don't

• 55:46Speaker 01

  I don't know, I think that's like a really weird, interesting thing.

• 55:49Nilay Patel?

  No, that's like, that's like you're so deep in your VR sesh, you can't take off the headset.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Right, so you're just like, click the switch, and you're like, oh, my hands are here, but I'm still in outer space.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  I just need to get a drink.

• 56:01Nilay Patel?

  I need to get drink.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Have you, have you guys done the Samsung 4D Oculus experience thing where you sit in the chair and it's like you're gonna, I really wanna try that too.

• 56:10Nilay Patel?

  Alright, well it sounds like we have a bunch of stuff to run around and try.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  I'm so down.

• 56:13Nilay Patel?

  Joanna, we're gonna find you a gimmick.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  I'm going home.

• 56:15Nilay Patel?

  Tweet again at Joanna Stern.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 56:17Nilay Patel?

  For her next CS gimmick.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  I wish we had done this two days ago.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Well, maybe next week.

• 56:21Nilay Patel?

  Tweet her anyway. Dieter is at Backlon.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  I have to spend the week with Sam, he's helping me snack.

• 56:25Nilay Patel?

  Sam is at Sam Scheffer, I'm at Reckless. This, I would say, has been an emotional Vergecast journey.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  So it's a good one.

• 56:32Nilay Patel?

  It would, I mean, I, I love having you two here.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  I think you two are tired.

• 56:37Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  You're a little tired?

• 56:38Nilay Patel?

  We're tired and you, we gotta bring you up, we gotta lift your spirits.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm going home.

• 56:45Nilay Patel?

  And that, I think, is where the show ends. We'll be back every day from CS.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  See you in New York.

• 56:49Nilay Patel?

  Tomorrow, I'm just gonna take a whole bunch of drugs before being on the show.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  With David Pierce.

• 56:53Nilay Patel?

  So I'm lit up for David.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  David Pierce left us today.

• 56:56Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Youtube.com/verge. Yeah. Follow us on Snapchat. Oh, and Nicola Fuma will be on the show tomorrow.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Oh, follow me on Snapchat, please. Joanna Stern.

• 57:07Nilay Patel?

  Cut it, cut the mic.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Please do follow me on Snapchat.

• 57:09Nilay Patel?

  Oh, that's your gimmick!

• 57:11Speaker 02

  I'm writing about Snapchat and I'm using Sam.

• 57:13Nilay Patel?

  Alright.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Everyone knows now.

• 57:15Nilay Patel?

  Thanks, everybody.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  Sam is secretly teaching me how to Snapchat.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  Spoiler alert.

• 57:18Nilay Patel?

  Rock and roll.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  He's my tutor.

• 57:21Nilay Patel?

  Last word.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  Rock and roll.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Rock, rock and roll.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  Rock and roll, though.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Rock and roll.