CES 2017 Day 3

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  Hello, I'm Nilay Patel.

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  And I am Dieter Bohn. And we are here at The Vergecast.

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  The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of Theverge.com. We're here at CS 2017 in Vegas. It's the last, final episode of Vergecast Live from CS. So let's get started.

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  Hey, we're back. I'm Nilay.

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  That's Dieter. I am still Dieter.

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  Over at the hype desk, we've got Megan Farouk-Minesh.

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  Hey, what's going on, Megan? I'm super bummed it's our last show, but I am very excited because we still have lots of polls for you guys. If you tweeted The Verge, this is your last chance for us to read your tweets. So you should do that.

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  It's the last chance for us to read your tweets.

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  Ever. I will never look at your tweets again after this. I will throw them all straight into the block garbage can.

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  How can they get at you?

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  Tweet at The Verge. Use the hashtag #CS2017, that's super important, and stay tuned.

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  There it is.

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  All right, Dieter.

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  Headlines.

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  Headlines.

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  Let's jump right into some news.

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  So there's no news. That's like the thing, right?

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  Well, it's the last weekday, CS still has a couple of days, but all the big announcements have been made.

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  Yeah.

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  But there's a bunch of stuff that like, sort of happened, but wasn't like the massive thing, but was still important.

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  Yeah, so let's get started. So a bunch of smartwatches at the show. Smartwatches kind of... Not doing great, but Garmin put out a new Phoenix 5. Lauren wrote about it. It actually looks really nice. Garmin quietly kind of doing really well. Misfit did something called the Vapor. They make a wearable called the Vapor.

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  Vapor Wear.

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  They made this just so you could tweet a dad joke about it.

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  And I did. I tweeted that dad joke.

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  Oh, he super did.

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  Yeah.

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  It's got a new Star Trek and Wear 21. It's whatever. It's a whatever.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Well, so actually, that Garmin... The Garmin is interesting. They're quietly great, you're right. But they don't have full access to stuff on the iPhone. But they're really great smartwatches, and they made multiple sizes of them. The Misfit is the thing that is...

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  To me...

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  I want you to fast forward to Android Wear being garbage. Because that's what I want you to talk about.

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  The Misfit should have been Android Wear. It's running some variant of Android, it's probably gonna get released in China. But instead, it's just running this thing. Maybe it's on top of Android Wear, but they couldn't run it on Android Wear. Because it couldn't do what Misfit wanted to do, apparently. And Android Wear is not having a good time right now.

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  It feels like Apple did the Apple Watch, they had to reboot the whole thing. Now it's kinda fun, it's an interesting product. I wore one again for another couple of months and put it away. Google just kinda blew it with Android Wear.

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  So, these things on the screen here, there's a couple of them. It's the next evolution light-up wearable. There's also a basslet thing.

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  If you're like a club kid, or like a music festival person, you've seen these around. They're the most interesting wristbands.

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  Or if you're just looking around for your phone in the dark or something, just wanna throw that out there.

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  Oh, they like light up or vibrate to the beat of the music?

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  Yeah, I mean, that sounds very useful. Me lie.

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  Damn. Last day of the show, Megan's coming out for blood. That's what we all came here for, right?

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  Blood.

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  Yeah.

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  Just sweet.

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  No, I think the point here is like, there's these other weird offshoot mutant wearables. They're way more interesting than Android Wear.

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  Right. So, Android Wear 2.0 is coming out sometime next year. We're gonna see some more stuff. We're gonna see some like Nexus-style Android Wear devices. But right now, the smartwatch game is Apple Watch. Samsung Gear S3 still hanging around. And a bunch of other things that are like not so good, but there's a few that like deserve more credit than they get. And I think that Garmin stuff is like at the top of that list.

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  Yeah.

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  The other thing that is going on at CES I really wanna talk about are displays. So it's like a really broad generic category, but the screens at CES are incredibly interesting. So, the first one and probably the biggest news is that Sony switched its Bravia line of TVs from LCD to OLED.

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  At the top of the line.

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  At the top of the line, yeah. So it's, they come in, you know, multiple sizes, they're running Android TV, they've got Dolby Vision HDR. But what's interesting about the high-end Bravias here is, they decided to do this thing that some... Every now and then they trot this out, they make the whole screen the speaker. So, that's fine. It's good to see that LG no longer sort of stands alone.

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  At the top of the TV market.

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  Yeah, yeah. But there's other stuff too. So Dell made an insane bonkers 8K monitor. It's basically, they just took like, what's the most you would ever want in a monitor? And they put it in this thing. It's 5,000 bucks.

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  Of course it is.

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  It's 32 inches. It's just, it's got all the stuff. So that's cool. Acer made a gaming monitor that's curved and it has a Tobey eye tracking. So if you want to do eye tracking while you're playing a video game, you can do it. So it's like adding that stuff on. And the thing I'm really excited about this is for gaming. I had this big argument with Vlad Savo, who wrote a great piece about how displays are one of the best things at the show. And I told him, I bet you that curved is actually great for gaming.

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  I think curved on a desktop is really great.

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  He didn't believe me.

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  Yeah.

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  And then he today went out and played it and he's like, oh yeah, you're right.

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  Curved on big TVs is kind of over.

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  But my favorite interesting display is, it's called the Tanvis. It's a display that does haptic feedback, but it does it locally under your finger. So if you're, they do a partnership where if you're running over like a piece of corduroy, it feels like corduroy.

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  You need a partnership for that?

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  Yeah, they're gonna try and like do a partnership.

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  The Corduroy Institute of America is like, you can't feel corduroy unless we allow you to.

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  They're trying to find partners to make this thing.

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  I see.

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  But the reason it's exciting is like, you're like, oh, okay, I described it. But everybody who tried it ran back and said, yo, go try this thing right now.

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  Huh.

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  And so overall, like all the displays here are like pushing forward a little bit.

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  And CS has always been screens, right? Like traditionally the move is like, we made it smart. There's a screen in it now.

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  Right.

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  And we're seeing like the next iteration beyond just LCDs.

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  Yeah, and it's, I don't know, it's fun and interesting. It's more than just, you know, this I'm looking at right here. So.

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  But screens are over. They're dead. The next thing is virtual reality. Screens, fake screens everywhere. So a bunch of Vive stuff happened. HCC Vive. They have new trackers that can turn literally anything into a controller.

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  Okay, so what does that mean?

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  Standing offstage, Casey Newton is wielding a baseball bat with like a thing on the end of it.

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  Oh, so you just like slap it on whatever you want?

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  And now we can like find it for you. They made a wireless add-on, so you don't need to tether to your computer. It actually works.

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  Oh.

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  I assumed it would be like wireless HDMI, which is like pretty laggy, but it's a new kind of tech. It's called the TPcast.

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  Okay.

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  It's like, it's interesting. It's like, and you can also see on the screen, they built, they got rid of the headphone jack. They actually built a headphone attachment, so you don't need your own bulky... They're basically making it more and more self-contained.

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  Right, right.

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  And I think that's what they're doing subscriptions in VR. I think it's really interesting, the Vive to me is the one that's more interesting.

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  Yeah.

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  In terms of the high-end.

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  I should disclose, my wife works for Oculus, but you're right, like the, all the like excitement around like weird stuff around VR seems to be going to the Oculus. And I'm really shocked that this wireless add-on works as well as it does.

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  Yeah, it's a lot of bandwidth.

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  There's a couple of them, yeah, but it, like, you would expect, lag is the biggest problem you can have in VR. If there's lag, you get sick and you barf. So they have to, they have to fix that. And apparently, they, they did.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, so, I don't know, I'm excited to try it out.

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  Speaking of this tracker, Casey Newton, who I said was standing offstage, we're gonna play with that stuff in a minute, but he went and did some crazy stuff in their VR chamber, let's check that out right now.

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  Alright, I am here in HTC's Mixed Reality Bay. I'm about to have a virtual reality experience, but because I'm in this green screen environment, you're going to be able to see it. And the end result of this is going to be a video that we all can watch, and you will see me slaughtering aliens. I'm literally ready to rumble, because there is a rumble pack on my backpack. Let's do this.

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  There's a lot more of them now.

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  Nailed it.

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  Wow. Now I spent most of the first part of this in a panicked crouch. Now, now this entire screen is gone like a Kool-Aid red, letting me know that I am on the verge of death. And at this point, I really was just sort of waiting to die, and I just, and then Ryan came back into the picture, and I was completely unaware of you. And then things started to pick up a little bit. I started to figure out how to fire these orbs. The screen was no longer Kool-Aid colored anymore, and...

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  I sent a bunch of aliens to meet their maker. And I feel great about it. Talk to us for a second about esports. So what you're saying is that this could be essentially a new spectator sport if you're able to see what people are doing inside virtual reality? Yeah, it's a possibility. I think people are looking at it. I think it's a definite opportunity for that business in that sector to actually go, "Okay, how do we take esports into VR and how do we put this at scale?" The mixed-reality bay like the one I was just in gives you a really good idea of what I'm seeing and what it's like to be standing inside that virtual world. And as a result, I think you're gonna see these bays popping up in lots of places. Virtual reality arcades, trade shows like this one, and anywhere where a maker of a virtual reality headset wants to show you what it's like to be inside.

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  How'd you do?

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  My understanding is that this is the highest score ever achieved in this game.

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  Wow, that was ridiculous. Hey, look, Casey Neen's here.

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  Hello, hello!

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  You brought weapons.

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  I did! Do not mess with me right now.

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  So what do you got here?

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  Yeah, so, you know, as I think you heard in the piece, Vive is making the Vive Tracker now. It's coming out in Q2 and you're gonna be able to affix it to any number of third-party peripherals to do things in the world of the game.

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  Is this like an officially licensed bat or is this like any bat works?

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  So I am told that this is actually a prototype unit, that this is not something that you can buy in the wild. It's a prototype bat. You cannot buy this in the wild for certain liability reasons. But there is a super cool use of this thing.

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  Is it hitting people?

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  Well, I am gonna trash the set afterwards. In the meantime, if you're a baseball player and you're going up against a pitcher tomorrow in the major leagues, you can use a database of every pitch ever thrown by that pitcher and take batting practice against that actual pitcher in virtual reality.

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  That's pretty cool.

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  So, you know, whereas before you're going to the batting cage, you're trying to just hit, you know...

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  Practicing your sport.

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  Random fastballs. Yeah, my personal sport. Now you can do sort of a virtual batting cage and have a much different experience.

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  So you need this on here and you need this on your wrist?

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  Yeah, that's right. So anytime you add a Vive tracker to something, you are creating an independently tracked object in the world of the game, which means it's going to be tracked more accurately, there's going to be less lag, that sort of thing.

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  Can it take inputs besides movement, or do you just strap it on to stuff? I see you've got it attached to a glove there with some wires and whatnot.

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  Yeah, that's right. And so, of course, you would also need the headset. There would be sort of more that you would need. You'd need the Vive setup. But yeah, go ahead and attach these things.

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  So in that little VR cave, that's just so other people can watch you? Or does that have a benefit for you?

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  So it has no benefit for me, other than that's the coolest I've ever looked on camera, is destroying aliens with a gun. But what is cool about that is that if you've never been inside virtual reality before, you can take a look at that and understand what I'm seeing. And, you know, based on my conversations with HTC execs, they're saying, "This is the way that video game makers are going to make their trailers from now on." They're already starting to do it, because it just sort of, you know, conveys information much more visually. I think you can also think about like esports applications. So, once VR games get going in esports, you'll be able to watch what those players are doing and be a little bit easier to see.

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  This is like the big problem, like how do we communicate what the hell virtual reality is? This is a way to solve it.

• 11:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, if you remember last year, I mean, there was sort of a nothing like this. You'd just, you know, a bunch of like endless footage of nerds wearing headsets.

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  It was a huge problem for us. We'd be like, "We want to convey this amazing experience." And all we could do is like, say, "It was amazing."

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, right, right. But now with things like this, you're going to start to see better visual experiences.

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  Yeah. Are you buying it?

• 12:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's like, I mean, like, I think the example of baseball players taking batting practice in virtual reality is insanely compelling. And it's another example of where virtual reality is coming faster to business applications than it is to consumer applications in certain ways. But, you know, just in terms of, you know, is it fun to be in virtual reality with a gun shooting aliens? Of course.

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  Yeah, awesome. Well, that's pretty great. We're going to be right back after this with more Virtchess Live. And we're back.

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  Hello.

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  Megan, you're here.

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  What? Hi.

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  I hired a new intern. I would like to introduce you to my wonderful intern. This is Sam Sheffer.

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  Sam Sheffer at the hype desk. So if you've never listened to the Vergecast before, we invented the hype desk to contain Sam's millennial fury. We needed literally a conceptual box to put Sam into it.

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  And I'm back.

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  Sam's now at Mashable. How's it going, Sam?

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  It's going really well. This is my eighth CS in a row.

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  Rookie.

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  And it's been, uh, it's been one hell of a ride.

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  Can you take the spectacles off?

• 13:15Speaker 04

  Yes.

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  Seriously, like, take the spectacles off, like, go start like a rock.

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  But you're in love with the spectacle.

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  I do love, but not those. Anyway, but you're at CS. What are you, what are you looking at? What are you, what are you in love with? What's the hypest thing at CS?

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  That LG transparent display was super impressive. And their new OLEDs, the blacks are the deepest blacks I've ever seen in a screen in my life. So, uh, those were really impressive. The concept Toyota, concept, concept I, concept E. I know it's purely a concept, but seeing those kind of futuristic cars in person is always something that gets me. So yeah, those two things.

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  Yeah, that's fair. Beef or bust? Alexa everywhere?

• 13:56Speaker 04

  Ah, man. Beef because Amazon is planning world domination right now. And I think by 2020, Amazon is gonna be, it's gonna be insane how, Amazon is gonna be everywhere. I'm excited.

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  If you don't know what that means, that was just a hype beast code that Sam I use. Megan, you have some sort of cat.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  I brought you the most wonderful toy in the world. This is one of the Lego booths. There are five you can get, but this is the best one, the cat. His name is Frankie. I know, I love this one, you guys.

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  You say it's cranky?

• 14:26Speaker 02

  It's no, his name is Frankie.

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  His name is Frankie?

• 14:28Speaker 02

  He's not cranky.

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  It has a light in its mouth.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  I know. Oh, we're gonna get to that. Okay, so basically with this, you build it and then you program it to do stuff.

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  So it's like Mindstorms, it's simpler?

• 14:38Speaker 02

  That sounds like an old person reference.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Anyway, moving on to the important thing. So I'm gonna show you guys how to feed Frankie. So you've got the app open, so you'll select the feeding thing, you hit play. And then, this is the best part, I love this cat so much, you feed him.

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  Is that a bottle? Oh my god, it's making a lot of noise.

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  Hold on, check this out. So if you're like, hey, you want the end of the bottle? He's like, "No, no."

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  Did he just fart at you?

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  Hold on, okay, this one, this is the best. Actually, Neelam, I'm gonna pull you into this, so you can experience this wonderful thing.

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  Oh, good.

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  So, there are different selections here, like you select different menus.

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  Get this one going. Okay. So, Neelam, I want you to take Frankie and hold him gently to your soft, soft beard.

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  It's my beard?

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  Just hold him up there, hold him up there.

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  It's puddle with it.

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  Oh, my god. Wait, this is really nice.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  I know, right? Okay, put him down for a second. This is gonna make you feel really bad, but I want you to pick him up by his tail.

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  I broke his foot.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  You broke him?

• 15:42Speaker 00

  Instantly broke his foot.

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  Oh, god.

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  That's what you get, cat. I pick you up however I want.

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  Okay, the good news is, we can rebuild him. I'm not...

• 15:51Speaker 00

  Oh, wow, he's perfect. He likes this. This is amazing. How many sensors are in this thing?

• 15:55Speaker 02

  A lot.

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  A lot.

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  A lot.

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  But like, a kid can like, put this together.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, the whole thing is like...

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  Sam, even you could do this.

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  Your kid puts together.

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  I want one. I'm gonna come take it after.

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  I'm gonna pry it from my cold dead hand.

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  I will say, we do Circuit Breaker, we're gonna have Paul and Ash on the show later, but Circuit Breaker stuff, some of the most popular stuff we cover on Circuit Breaker is all stuff that helps kids learn how to build stuff in code. I guess that's the kind of the idea here?

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, pretty much. It's just like, imagine Lego blocks helping you learn to build things, except that this is more interactive, and you can actually play with it, and it's fun to feed it and stuff.

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  Does it have Alexa integration?

• 16:25Speaker 02

  Not yet, but it might.

• 16:26Speaker 00

  That's the one that's coming. Sam, do you have an Echo in your house?

• 16:29Speaker 04

  No.

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  Would you? No. Literally the hypest thing on the market.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  No, I don't like, I don't like talking to my gadgets, yet. I'm not on that hype train.

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  You like talking to your audience.

• 16:38Speaker 04

  I like talking to the audience.

• 16:39Speaker 00

  With millennial influencers.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think, I'm deciding between that and a Google Home. Do you have? You have both, right?

• 16:45Speaker 00

  I have both, but I use my Echo all the time.

• 16:47Speaker 04

  To do what? Play music?

• 16:48Speaker 00

  Play music, and like, I don't know, I have like, a couple like, smart outlets and stuff. So, this is the thing, we've been talking about Alexa, the Echo, all show long. Lauren Good has been running around, looking at everything that uses Alexa. Let's check it out right now.

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  Amazon is everywhere at this year CES and the company is not even an official exhibitor. They're here through Alexa, their popular voice-controlled personal assistant that first had its home in the Amazon Echo speaker. Seriously, though, Alexa is everywhere this year. But just because it's everywhere doesn't mean it works well everywhere. So Alexa is showing up in everything from copycat speakers to smart lights to connected fridges. Some of these are direct integrations, which means that Alexa's voice capabilities are built directly into that piece of hardware and some of them still require some type of Echo speaker in order for them to work. Put it this way, you can now look at your smart lights and order a pizza. So that's all fine and well inside of the home, but what's more interesting is Alexa outside of the home,

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  where you don't have a stable Wi-Fi connection and where there's a lot of ambient noise. These $400 on-vocal headphones are supposedly the first headphones with Alexa built directly into them. Built directly in probably sounds like, "It's just like walking around with an Echo strapped to your head", but it's not exactly like that. You still need a cell connection and it's not like you can just walk around shouting "Alexa" into your headphones. You actually need to press a physical button to get Alexa started. Alexa is showing up in other wearables as well, like this Martian smartwatch. But again, you have to press a physical button, not once, but twice, in order to get your question through to Alexa. And even then, you're probably not going to hear it very well through this tiny speaker that's built into the side of the watch. You're going to have to open the Envoice app, which is Martian's app, in order to see the response. There are other things to consider, too, like the fact that Alexa

• 18:36Speaker 05

  still isn't officially available outside of the US and she's still not great at accents.

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  Alexa, what is the nutritional value of avocados?

• 18:45Speaker 05

  Sorry, I didn't understand the question I heard. But there's no doubt that the person who stole the show this year is not even a person. It's an artificially intelligent, virtual assistant who can give a household name faster than you could say, "Hey Siri" or "Okay, Google". Even Amazon seems surprised by this. The company told me they were expecting around 35 to 40 Amazon integrations with products here at the show and it turns out, there are a lot more than that.

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  And we're back. Hello, and we have more people at the table.

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  Lauren Ginn is here.

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  Hello.

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  And then notable Verge trader David Pierce is here. How's it going?

• 19:19Speaker 04

  That's great, that's actually on my business card. Wired now. Notable Verge trader, David Pierce.

• 19:23Speaker 00

  So David, I was just gonna ask you, we saw Lauren running around, we've been talking to Lauren about Alexa, do you think Amazon's just gonna win here?

• 19:29Speaker 04

  I think Amazon is winning by a mile at this point. I mean, it's, we're early enough in this world where there's really nobody yet who has won, like you can't have built a lead big enough to be insurmountable at this point.

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  Yeah.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  But right now, Amazon is so far ahead. Just because they came out and said, "You wanna build stuff for this and a lot of it's gonna be bad? Go."

• 19:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  I'm gonna disagree with that.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Respectfully.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 19:51Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  Or disrespectfully.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Alright, I'm gonna disrespectfully disagree with that. Well, in this sense, so I think Alexa's one of my favorite virtual assistants. I think that Amazon really nailed the ease of use and how user-friendly it is, and it works great in the home. But, as we just kind of saw, outside of the home, on mobile, which is huge, by the way, it's still...

• 20:12Speaker 00

  By the way, David.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Not...

• 20:13Speaker 00

  Have you heard of phones?

• 20:14Speaker 02

  BTW.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Is it a microphone problem, or is it that, like fundamentally, when you're out in the world, your digital assistant needs to know your calendar and have your contacts and just be good at your personal data?

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's partly that. I mean, it's partly that, so let's look at the other virtual assistants really quickly too. Like, obviously, there's Siri on iPhone, and then Google has all their stuff going on, on Android phones and stuff like that. So they already have this sort of mobile capabilities, and then anywhere else it goes from there, it's just sort of like, well, of course, that's going to extend to your watch, and of course, it's going to extend to your car, and that's all gonna happen. I mean, Alexa doesn't really exist on mobile, right? There's no Alexa mobile app that you can talk to and get an answer from. So Amazon actually is somewhat limited in that way as they're moving from in the house to outside of the house. They have to do all these direct integrations.

• 20:56Speaker 00

  But do you want voice control outside of your house? This is the thing I think about with Siri.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  I want it in my car.

• 21:00Speaker 02

  In the car?

• 21:00Speaker 00

  They were there first.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:02Speaker 00

  Sure, I guess, but they were there first. Siri's in your car already, right? If you have a phone. The pickup on Siri is still pretty flat, as far as I can tell.

• 21:11Speaker 04

  But the thing is, you want it in all the places you can't use your phone.

• 21:14Speaker 00

  I just think it's...

• 21:14Speaker 04

  Your phone is perfectly sufficient everywhere you can use your phone.

• 21:17Speaker 00

  Right, I just think in your house, voice is actually turning out to be more powerful because you maybe don't have your phone in your pocket in your house.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 21:23Speaker 00

  And you just wanna talk, and no one can hear you. You don't sound like an idiot being like, "Turn on the lights!" to like no one. Right, outside of your house, you kinda have like the Bluetooth headset problem.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  But if you're like out for a run, of course, I don't run, because that would be ridiculous.

• 21:34Speaker 00

  Lauren is the only person who's a selfie.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  Because I'm not a monster.

• 21:37Speaker 05

  No, Casey had a baseball bat. He's doing some sports stuff.

• 21:39Speaker 00

  He's not doing anything healthy. He's just threatening children.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Here's my question with all this stuff that's getting Alexa built into it. Is there a danger for Amazon that some people are just making garbage products? And it's going to hurt the Alexa brand? Because some of these things are bad just because they're bad gadgets. And is that going to be a thing that is a danger? That people are going to associate Alexa with crappy products?

• 22:00Speaker 04

  I think that there's definitely a possibility of that.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I mean, think about the way Siri was five years ago. Siri now is really good, but nobody would believe, right? Siri was terrible for so long. And it's now digging out of this giant hole of people just thinking it sucks. And the awesome thing about the Echo was it's this wonderful, magical thing that works the first time you use it. And then it's so fun that you want to keep doing it. But I think you're right. People are going to get these crappy smartwatches.

• 22:26Speaker 00

  You want to go on the ride with the Echo and Alexa, right? You first get it, you play some music, you set a timer. That's all anybody does. And they're like, I bought a light switch. And I can say one thing to it and flip on the light switch. Why about the next thing? I can do one more thing. And you add these skills and you incrementally, you're cheering for it. You're rooting for it. Whereas Siri mostly just fails you.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Well, that's the thing, right? Because it worked. Because the first time you tried to do something, even if it was a tiny, pointless something, it did that thing. And then that's so cool. You want to do more and more complicated stuff. Whereas with Siri, you're like, set an alarm. And she's like, do you want web searches for lettuce? You're like, no, I don't. I'm never doing this again.

• 23:05Speaker 05

  But when you talk about predictive artificial intelligence, which is where this is actually all going, a company like Google is actually much better equipped to do the stuff you want it to do because it has so much data on you. Amazon knows everything you've bought in the past 10 years. And Amazon is going to essentially use some of that recommendation engine tech. And they're going to try to make Alexa more predictive. But the other companies are actually better positioned to do that.

• 23:29Speaker 00

  I think Amazon being the place where you already buy stuff, that's where you want an assistant all the way to you. You're like, I need something. And it has a credit card and buys the stuff and shows up at your door the next day. Dieter disagrees with me, but we are super out of time for this. This has been a very hostile segment of the broadcast here live at CES. We'll be back with much more after this.

• 23:49Speaker 06

  Hey, we're here with the Dobby Pocket Drone. Easily folds up and fits into your average pair of pants. And if you want to take off, you don't have to find great terrain. Just launch it from the palm of your hand.

• 24:12Speaker 06

  Easy as that.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  Hey, we're back with one of the most ridiculous things I've seen here at CES 2017, and therefore, one of my favorite things that I've seen here.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  I'm just taking it.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  This is the Acer Predator 21X. It's been one of those popular things we've written about this year. We now know that they've got it here at CES that's coming out in February, and it costs $9,000. It's just an insane, ridiculous, massive gaming laptop.

• 24:43Speaker 00

  Here's what I want you to know.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, here we go.

• 24:44Speaker 00

  I am currently holding the trackpad, but I can take it out. It still works over here. I can flip it over, and now it's a new keypad.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Wait, do you guys both fit at that computer?

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a laptop for couples.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Oh my god. Oh, this is so romantic.

• 24:58Speaker 00

  And the curved screen wraps around you. It's got eye-tracking sensors here. This thing is a monster truck. It looks completely insane.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  It's so big it has its own camera.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  We could fit two of my laptops on this thing.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Do you know that my number-one theory in all of comedy is that big things are funny?

• 25:17Speaker 02

  I disagree. I think that tiny things are funny.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  What should you think this weighs?

• 25:21Speaker 02

  50 pounds.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  No, no, no, that's crazy.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  Higher or lower?

• 25:24Speaker 00

  It's definitely a lot.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  It's 19.4 pounds.

• 25:27Speaker 00

  This thing is bonkers. So, we were talking earlier about curved displays in gaming.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:30Speaker 00

  I see why you want a curved display here.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  I own a curved TV, a Samsung curved TV. It is the dumbest, stupidest thing I've ever bought.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  You need to sit immediately in front of it and play Xbox.

• 25:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. But this, kind of like, makes a lot of sense to me. It's a monster truck.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  This makes sense to you?

• 25:44Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  The whole thing?

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Conceptually, aesthetically...

• 25:48Speaker 02

  You look like a villain, like you're plotting world domination behind that thing.

• 25:51Speaker 00

  That's how I should look at all times. I'm taking this back to the office. I'm loading up truck meat on it, and we're gonna make The Verge fucking awesome. Together, as a family.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  How's the keyboard? Is it like big and clacky?

• 26:00Speaker 00

  The keyboard's like big and mechanical. Look at me, I'm just...

• 26:03Speaker 02

  It's really loud, though. It's too loud.

• 26:05Speaker 00

  I'm just wrecking fools.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  You're gonna wake up Dieter. That's so rude.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  I don't think this is about not being rude.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:11Speaker 00

  Like fundamentally, as an idea, this is about being rude.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  So, the one thing I don't know is the battery life, but I have to... Imagine it's about 20 minutes.

• 26:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Right?

• 26:17Speaker 00

  It's already not doing well.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  There's this like glass panel up here. So we talked yesterday about how a bunch of-

• 26:23Speaker 00

  Battery has an hour left. This is a prototype. We can't be too mean to it.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. We talked yesterday about how a bunch of like gaming laptops are like gaudy and ostentatious and bad.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  This is gaudy and ostentatious and good.

• 26:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like in the sense that like Bigfoot is a car is not acceptable in society. The gravedigger is a car is not acceptable in society. But in their context, their platonic ideals what they should be.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  If I were the kind of person that would roll into LAN parties and I rolled in with this thing.

• 26:51Speaker 00

  I mean-

• 26:53Speaker 02

  You would beat the belle of the ball.

• 26:55Speaker 00

  I just keep looking at it and want to, I just want to know everything. I want it to talk to me about itself.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  I could see pretty well from over here, actually.

• 27:03Speaker 00

  Megan, would you roll with this thing?

• 27:05Speaker 02

  I think that thing weighs more than I do.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:07Speaker 00

  I mean, it's not, it's not small.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  I can't launch Diablo.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  Like, I think I would put that on and immediately like fall over.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Playing Diablo on this would be the best.

• 27:14Speaker 00

  All right. Well, Dieter and I are going to stay pretty distracted with this. Megan, what's going on on Twitter?

• 27:17Speaker 02

  Um, yeah. So let's talk about Twitter polls. Uh, so earlier we asked you guys, which smart home gadget from CS 2017 would you actually use? And we asked if you would use the Frigcam Food Tracker, the Cat's Pad Smart Cat Feeder, the Smart Toothbrush, or the Ario Baby Cam? And overwhelmingly, the answer was Frigcam Food Tracker.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  Frigcam Food Tracker.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Everybody wants to know what's going on in their fridge, which is totally fair. I want to keep track of all my things as they're going bad.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  I think we should have put this on the list and everyone should have voted for this.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  I think so too. I think we really messed up.

• 27:45Speaker 00

  I mean, I have to say, in a world where the MacBook Pro is disappointing because it doesn't offer enough like performance-

• 27:50Speaker 02

  That thing eats MacBook Pros.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  This is 100% like the opposite of that problem.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Okay, anyway, um, so we have another poll we're going to put up. Uh, question is, which new TV would you want on your wall from CS 2017? So the Hi-Sense 100-inch laser TV, the Sony LED Bravia 4K TV, the Samsung QLED TV, or the LG Signature 4K HDR LED? There are so many letters.

• 28:13Speaker 00

  So many letters.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  So many letters. I'm exhausted. So-

• 28:16Speaker 01

  I think I know the answer to this question. I think we have different answers to this question.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Don't spoil it. Don't spoil it. That's too rude.

• 28:21Speaker 00

  I mean, you want WebOS on your wall. I know you. I know where your heart is. Anyway, vote in the poll, keep tweeting us @verge.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  @verge.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  @verge.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  CS2017. Feed me your tasty tweets, please.

• 28:30Speaker 00

  It's a hashtag. Now, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna let you behind the curtain, literally the only feedback I've gotten from the show from my wife is that she wants to see more Casey Newton. She doesn't care about me, she just wants more Casey. So we have that for you. And we have, with Casey, Celebrity. I'm not even gonna ruin it.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:46Speaker 00

  Look, check this out, it's amazing.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  Here we go. It's happening.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  We are here at CES 2017 with Nick Offerman. And Nick, you are here with a device like no other, I'm told.

• 29:04Speaker 07

  It's from American Greetings. And it's sleek, comes in several different models. It's a goddamn greeting card. I'm astonished by this technology. And it comes with a custom stylus as well. It's a #2 pencil.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  Wow. Nick, you are well-known for your role on Parks and Rec. We thought we'd do a little Parks and Tech, but without any parks. So, maybe we can take a look.

• 29:28Speaker 07

  I call that a bitchin' segue.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  Thank you very much.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  This is the Profix, which is a smart toothbrush. And it has a video camera in it. So you tap this button here, and then it will take pictures of the inside of your mouth, which you can then share with your dentist or a loved one.

• 29:47Speaker 07

  The thing that occurs to me is it's gonna make it really hard to get away with the age-old prank of putting someone's toothbrush in your butt.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Right. This is Mars. And it's a levitating speaker. And we're now rocking out to some royalty-free music.

• 30:03Speaker 07

  It's definitely dope, as my young friends would say. I just wanna get a hockey stick. And, uh...

• 30:10Speaker 03

  T.O.

• 30:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean...

• 30:12Speaker 03

  This is iPal. It is a companion robot for children and the elderly. There's a tickling function in this robot.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  That's...

• 30:28Speaker 07

  Let's see if it responds to spanking.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  Oh, any spankings? No? This is the eMotor Go, a fully collapsible scooter-like electric vehicle.

• 30:40Speaker 07

  What could go wrong? This [bleep] is dope.

• 30:44Speaker 03

  This is Nick Offerman? Take your time.

• 30:46Speaker 07

  Thank you for having me. It's been most enlightening.

• 30:51Speaker 00

  Well, that was ridiculous.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  That beard.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  I couldn't believe it.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  He got the retired beard.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  It's like you stared at it and stares back at you.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love it.

• 30:58Speaker 00

  I do like the fact that he broke a couple of times and laughed at the absurdity of CES.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to.

• 31:04Speaker 00

  It's the only way to survive.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  We're gonna do that ourselves, I think. We're gonna laugh at the absurdity of CES when The Vergecast continues after this break.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  This week at CES, Audi and Nvidia partnered up to help Audi's cars learn how to drive better using artificial intelligence. Lucky for us, there's this huge parking lot across the street from the convention center, and we're gonna check it out.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  So I'm here in an Audi Q7 with Nvidia, artificial intelligence, self-driving hardware and software. All right, let's take it away.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  And so what they've built is this small track. It's almost peanut-shaped, and it's got a couple of different driving environments in it. One is this half-circle here with lines painted on the road for the car to navigate. And then, as it heads around these two curves, it goes onto a gravel section, and then sort of an artificial grass section, and then an area without any lines. So it's a bunch of different environments for the car to navigate. And then, as it goes around this corner, sometimes they'll take this giant construction sign and put it in the car's way, where it used to be able to go without any problem. And so then the car has to look at that sign, decide what to do, and avoid it.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  The interesting thing about this car is that it's using Nvidia's artificial intelligence, machine learning technology, which is a lot of fancy buzzwords to say that the car learns how to drive like a human would. It learned by watching people drive it around. And it only had about four days of training. They were out here just driving it around this course. And it's a pretty simple course, but if it encounters an unexpected situation, the car needs to know how to deal with it. And with the machine learning, they can do that in a much faster way than needing to program for every single circumstance that it might run into. For a transportation reporter, it's a little hard to believe that this was my first ride in a self-driving car, but it was totally normal. The wheel turned, and we went around the corners, and it was fine. I didn't feel unsafe at all. It wasn't unnerving.

• 33:12Speaker 04

  Getting on a highway with traffic might be a little different, but if this is the future, I'm all in.

• 33:20Speaker 00

  Hey, and we're back. We've got a special guest. Mike Fasulo, President and COO of Sony Electronics is here. He brought us some toys to play with. How's your CES going?

• 33:28Speaker 04

  It's going great. It is going just great.

• 33:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. Sony's got a new booth this year. It's like the most exciting thing. I love the old booth. The new booth's really cool. But, architecture aside, what do you got on the table here for us?

• 33:38Speaker 04

  All right. So, let me set it up. We introduced over 25 products at this CES. And each and every one of them stand on their own merits. But, a couple of things we're trying to do as well as the individual products is have them interconnect or work with others or work with some other platforms, whether it's Google Home or Alexa or...

• 33:55Speaker 00

  You guys are pretty heavy into the Google side of things, right? Your TVs run Android.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  Well, TVs are all Android. Android TVs. And Google Home is also compatible with our TVs and with a number of other items that we have. But also Alexa, we're working with Amazon Echo as well.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  So, we're trying to come up with a choice, right? Customer choice. Make it fun, make it exciting, solve for those pain points. So, these are... But, you gotta have fun, too, right? So, this one here is our mini soundbar. It's the CT300. And it comes with a wireless subwoofer that you can fit underneath a sofa.

• 34:36Speaker 00

  Why is it beige?

• 34:37Speaker 04

  It comes in multiple colors. This one happens to be beige. It comes in black as well.

• 34:42Speaker 00

  So, I've had... I used to have a Sony soundbar that was like a giant hexagon that was like this big.

• 34:47Speaker 04

  Sounded awesome.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, is the idea that you can get... Like, it's supposed to be able to put out that much sound? Or is this like, I have a small apartment, I don't want to destroy my neighbors? Like, what's the story here?

• 34:55Speaker 04

  It's more for lifestyle size. The sound is still phenomenal. Sound is still phenomenal.

• 34:59Speaker 00

  These look like a new noise-canceling headset.

• 35:02Speaker 04

  I'm gonna get to those, because in a minute, you're gonna need these. But, this is a new wireless speaker line. And it comes in various colors. And it's really, you know, meant to be great quality sound, but also be a lot of fun. So, let me play some music.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  Oh, there it is. It's happening.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  So, not only is it happening, but you can't see it, but the audience can see there's strobe lights in the front. It's wiring out strobes. You could daisy chain 10 of these.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  10 of these, right? So, you know, sleeping babies and parents are gonna just hate me.

• 35:45Speaker 00

  What the audience fancy is our audio guy back there just bursting into tears.

• 35:50Speaker 04

  So, sleeping babies and parents are gonna hate me.

• 35:53Speaker 00

  Can I ask you a question? Why did you change the branding from Mega Bass to Extra Bass?

• 35:56Speaker 04

  Extra Bass, it's got.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  I know, but you have Mega Bass, which is one of those dominant.

• 36:00Speaker 04

  It's all about.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  Bass-related brands in the world.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Which is more mega or extra?

• 36:04Speaker 04

  Extra.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 36:07Speaker 04

  Word enhancer. 2017, it's extra. And, and the model is XB.

• 36:12Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 36:13Speaker 04

  Extra Bass.

• 36:13Speaker 00

  There you go. You gotta do some like throwback classic Sony Mega Bass stuff.

• 36:17Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 36:17Speaker 00

  It's a free idea for it.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  All right, so now let's move on to this.

• 36:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  So, everyone's partying, and this, by the way, we call the portable party.

• 36:24Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  The portable party, we could connect 10 of them together.

• 36:27Speaker 00

  It's just designed to appeal to me.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Do they, do they connect over Bluetooth or some mysterious protocol?

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's all, it's Bluetooth, it's NFC.

• 36:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  Right, so it's very simple. Touch and go. So, while the kids are partying and the parents are freaking out, you put on these noise-canceling headphones.

• 36:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 04

  And these are the 1000X. These just came to market.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  They are the best, the very best noise-canceling headphones.

• 36:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:52Speaker 04

  But they've got some really cool features on them. One is they've got an ambient sound feature.

• 36:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  So, you're wearing it on your head and you're talking to me. If I hold my hand to my right ear cup.

• 37:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  I can hear your voice.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Also, it's not a button, you just hold your hand up to it.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, all you have to do is hold it to me. It's great on airplanes, because the flight attendants yell at you.

• 37:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  "What do you want to drink?" I could hear you just fine, I'll just take a diet coke.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  They yell at me if I'm not wearing noise-canceling headphones, I just hold it all the time.

• 37:17Speaker 00

  I gotta say, also beige. I'm heavy into beige this year.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  I wanted to match the speaker, but it comes in black.

• 37:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 37:23Speaker 04

  Comes in black, black as well. It also has a really interesting function on here.

• 37:27Speaker 00

  That is an optimizer.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:31Speaker 00

  So if you wear glasses, you have long hair, you have short hair, you know, you have facial hair.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:36Speaker 00

  You push the optimizer button and it forms the earphone.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 37:41Speaker 00

  To your ear.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 37:42Speaker 00

  So it keeps out all the noise and you don't get fatigue.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  How much do these cost?

• 37:46Speaker 00

  These are $3.99.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you're going right up against the Bose QuietComfort kind of thing. You think you're way better than those.

• 37:51Speaker 00

  These are the very best.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 37:52Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  I believe you.

• 37:53Speaker 00

  And then the functions for up and down music or changing tracks.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Oh, cool, there's swipes.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, so you just swipe up and down, left and right.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  Very cool, and those are available right now, right?

• 38:01Speaker 00

  These are available right now.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  Cool, and the other stuff is coming?

• 38:04Speaker 00

  This will be available in March, April.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Okay, you got a little secret here.

• 38:08Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  And then I want to talk to you about TVs, I want to make sure I talk about TVs.

• 38:11Speaker 00

  It's all about TVs. This is a literal prototype.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  And these will be out in the fall. And they're what we're calling True Wireless. So they're two earbuds.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Okay, so you guys are getting into this game now.

• 38:28Speaker 00

  They're true earbuds.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  And, you know.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Can I hold one of them?

• 38:32Speaker 00

  You most certainly may.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Okay, so they got a little, they got a little thing so they come down as their, I imagine the microphones up down there.

• 38:41Speaker 00

  Oh, sure.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, it works with iPhone.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  So do you control these with taps or anything, or like?

• 38:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, you'll have functions right on them.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  And then the case has a power charger built in.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  Sure. Okay.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  So you just plug and you're charged and ready to go.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  What do you think about the fact that like a year ago we were like, oh, man, I really wish these would exist? And now they're just everywhere. Apple is making them, like it seems like everywhere you go, there's these wireless earbuds. Was there some, you know, magic trick that happened that everybody figured it out? Like, why, why has it taken so long and why do you think they all hit at once?

• 39:12Speaker 00

  Well, I don't think there's a magic trick, but I do think that there's choice, right? So we make, we make over the ear, we make on the ear, we make in the ear, we make sports. And now we're going to True Wireless. They have a whole lot of wireless as well. Yeah. You think Bluetooth is ready for this? I mean, the whole back as far as it goes, Bluetooth's been like, it's had to get developed over time. It's, it's ready. We're ready. It'll be fine. Yeah. When's this thing coming out? That'll be out in the fall. In the fall? Do you have a price yet or no? Actually, I'm supposed to say that'll be out in 2017. You're here first on the first guest, the fall. Do you have a price? I do not. Okay, so we. But it'll be very reasonable and competitive. I like the, you're gonna be competitive with AirPods, you think? We're gonna be competitive.

• 39:54Speaker 00

  I like it. All right, so you very weirdly said it's all about TVs. I mentioned it earlier, but we gotta do it. We're very excited about it. I'm very excited about it. For years and years and years, there's been rumors about Sony doing OLED. You made a little OLED, the XEL1. I demoed it. You remember everything. I remember everything. Dude, I'm a Sony fanboy for life. Old school. That was the first OLED, and then you walked away from it, you did LCDs, you're back now. Big news of the show is Sony went OLED, you're at the top of the market. Where's the switch coming from? So, so there's a couple of things going on. One, again, is choice, because there is a difference when you're looking at OLED and LCD. But the second is yield. So we've been making OLED on a professional side, studio reference monitors for years.

• 40:38Speaker 00

  I mean, they are the reference standard in the studio, 30-inch monitor. But for consumer consumption and for larger screens and scale of production, it's taken time for the panels to get to that point. And that was really more of the holdout than anything else. Now that it's at a point of quality and scale, yes, we're jumping in this year. We announced our new A1 series, which is just, you know, 8 million self-illuminated pixels. And then you add to it our proprietary technology, the picture is just stunning. Stunning. I mean, you have to see it to believe it, but it actually has many more features than that.

• 41:23Speaker 04

  Technology is phenomenal and it's same technology we used in our Z series, the Z series.

• 41:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  We announced earlier this year, which is still the reference standard.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  In the consumer television, television market. But with the OLED, we could do some neat things. So it's half inch thin.

• 41:41Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Right, and we're calling it the standless television.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  So when you look at it straight on, you see nothing but screen.

• 41:49Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:50Speaker 04

  There's no stand.

• 41:50Speaker 00

  Everything's just all that little tripod in the back there.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  There's no, there's no stand, there's no speakers. Behind it, there's, there's a little casing that harnesses all the wires.

• 42:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  So you'll see no wires either.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:03Speaker 04

  So it's.

• 42:04Speaker 00

  So you think there's headroom in the TV market? You think you can drive another, with 4K HDR and that OLED, you can drive another big refresh cycle like you did with the flat panels?

• 42:13Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  You think this is the year? Because we've been hearing about it for one time.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Well, last year was, was a great year for 4K UHD. This year, 4K UHD with HDR.

• 42:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, I mean, you're gonna, we're gonna have compound rates year on year, at least for the next three, four years. Remember when HD transitioned, everybody changed their television?

• 42:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:29Speaker 04

  So now we're getting to a natural refresh cycle. But here, here's the coolest thing about those OLED.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  About our OLED television. There are no speakers.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Right.

• 42:39Speaker 04

  The sound literally comes out of the screen.

• 42:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's really cool. And then you get a little soundbar, and then you get your wires headphones, and you light up the other one, you put it in the cans, and it's all over the place. All right. That's great. You gotta work on the space thing there. Uh, Mike, thank you so much for coming.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  My pleasure.

• 42:55Speaker 00

  You know, I love having you on the show every year at TS. We'll be back right after this with more Verge guest line.

• 43:00Speaker 06

  This phone has a molecular sensor. This phone's from Chenha, it's called H2, and it's got this sensor from SIO that scans molecules. It's basically infrared, sees how molecules are moving around, and then it can basically determine what's going on. Uh, so like you can check your Viagra to see if it's fake, you can check your. Drink to see if there's alcohol in it. You can check your strawberries to see which one's sweeter. Uh, it's kind of crazy. And then it's literally inside of a mobile phone. So there's a lot of ways to use this PSYOS sensor. It can measure a lot of different things, but one of them is, is kind of like the sugar content of something. So you need to pick which fruit you're gonna scan.

• 43:44Speaker 06

  So I'm gonna scan an apple. Now I'll just put the sensor right on it. Scan. I want you to guess at home which of these is gonna be sweeter. Now that's a pretty good, pretty good apple, above good. Let's look at this red one.

• 44:03Speaker 06

  That one's a bit over good.

• 44:07Speaker 06

  I think this one's supposed to be sweeter. I'm not a picky eater, but I think I have a very discerning palate, so I'm gonna see what I think.

• 44:17Speaker 06

  It's a very sweet apple. They both rated pretty sweet.

• 44:24Speaker 06

  Oh yeah. This one's way sweeter. This app's a lot different. We're gonna measure Viagra pills to see which one's real, which one's fake. This app can also measure meats for water-injected meat or for alcohol content in drinks. We're going for pills. So let's put this over here.

• 44:46Speaker 06

  Bam, got it again. Okay, one, one more thing. We're gonna scan my body fat. It's gonna be really embarrassing, who knows? Maybe I'm great. Maybe I'm just the best at body fat. I'm just, I have to scan my bicep. Cause the directions right here, so let's put this right here.

• 45:08Speaker 06

  Please be good. Please be a good one. Whoa.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  27% average. I've done this four other times. It was always above average. But this time, when we got it on tape, I'm completely average, but very healthy individual. Thank you, SiO. What a great molecular sensor, I think.

• 45:32Speaker 00

  I don't know how I feel about that. Anyway, Paul Miller's here, Ashley Carman's here, Circuit Breaker crew.

• 45:37Speaker 05

  We're here.

• 45:37Speaker 00

  In effect. That sound is terrifying.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  It's amazing. It's the future. I cannot believe that works. It's basically a tricorder.

• 45:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. But a terrifying tricorder that makes you feel bad about your body.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Apparently, I'm almost most, only mostly fat. I need to see something slightly less terrifying and slightly more whimsical. How about adorable? Okay, here's what I'm gonna do. How much time I have, I'm gonna teach Neil how to play.

• 46:01Speaker 00

  I'm ready.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  The ukulele. So this is a smart ukulele. I've got an app. You know how to play guitar.

• 46:06Speaker 00

  No, a ukulele is like a guitar but upside down.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm gonna teach you four chords. Are you ready?

• 46:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, that shows he knows something.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  All right, right. D. See, look, I push D, and now D is lit up there, see? Oh my god, really? There you go, D. It just lights up the chords? Are you confident you have D?

• 46:22Speaker 00

  I'm pretty confident I have D.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  All right, here's A.

• 46:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  There you go. All right, now C.

• 46:29Speaker 00

  When is this thing gonna make me play "Ode to Joy"?

• 46:31Speaker 01

  C. This is the popu-lely.

• 46:35Speaker 00

  This is pretty awesome.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  No, that's not. No, that's not G. I mean, when is it coming out? G, do G.

• 46:40Speaker 00

  I'm doing G. I'm following the lights, man.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Oh, gosh.

• 46:45Speaker 00

  What is this crazy chord? Ukulele people are crazy.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  G, just do a D. Just do a D. I've actually identified this special bug in this where if I do four chords...

• 46:54Speaker 00

  Where it doesn't tell you how to do a G?

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Do like a D shape. A real D shape.

• 47:00Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Like a guitar D. There's G. Okay, okay. So start on D. So go like, D, D, D.

• 47:11Speaker 00

  This is the worst demo in the industry, television.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Uh, what up?

• 47:17Speaker 00

  What up, all right.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Sounds great.

• 47:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, Paul, you're a terrible teacher.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Okay, you're just okay.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  It's supposed to light up, man! I was trying to get him to play "Photograph."

• 47:29Speaker 00

  No, that's awesome. Are they making an actual guitar that does this?

• 47:33Speaker 01

  They already make a guitar. There's already, another company makes a guitar called Fretlight. But they, these guys make popu- Poputar, which is a guitar like this. And then this is their new one, Populely. It's gonna be about like a hundred thirty dollars.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  Can this teach me how to play "Love in the Club" by Usher?

• 47:48Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 47:50Speaker 00

  Okay, that was embarrassing.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  That's the plan.

• 47:52Speaker 00

  But I'm here for you.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  I really like that thing.

• 47:54Speaker 00

  Ashley, what you got?

• 47:55Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  There's a lot to live up to here.

• 47:57Speaker 05

  Oh, man.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  I love that Ashley always has to pull out from her.

• 48:00Speaker 05

  I don't know. I don't know what it... I think I've set up for failure.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  This is really tiny.

• 48:05Speaker 05

  I know, my arms are so short. That's so high.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  What is that?

• 48:10Speaker 05

  Okay. I have more speakers.

• 48:12Speaker 00

  You got more speakers?

• 48:12Speaker 05

  More speakers.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  Wow, those look really mean.

• 48:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, so show this here. These are modular speakers.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:20Speaker 05

  And they're from this company called IFI from Sweden. And they are on sale in the US now. I'm going to show you guys how they work.

• 48:31Speaker 05

  I used to be a cybersecurity reporter.

• 48:33Speaker 00

  That's true, Ashley was a cybersecurity.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  Okay, so... All right, I'm gonna play some royalty-free music for us. I have no idea what this is going to be.

• 48:42Speaker 00

  Has any party ever started better than "I'm going to play some royalty-free music for us"?

• 48:48Speaker 05

  I have to light them up because they turned off.

• 48:50Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 48:50Speaker 05

  Oh, no. No, not my demo.

• 48:54Speaker 00

  So anyway, so you light them up, you start playing, and what? You clip them together and they all go?

• 48:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, so they... Here we go.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  I like the club feel, right?

• 49:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, so basically you can continue stacking. What's really interesting about these is on the sides and on the top and on the bottom, because you can stack from on the side and to the top. They communicate over infrared, so they're transferring data and sound, which is how they adjust for stereo.

• 49:15Speaker 00

  Oh, look, your entire technology built on IR blasting.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 49:18Speaker 00

  It's my favorite.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  Entire technology built on IR blasting. So I'm an old-school tech reporter, so I used to use Palm Pilots, and they used to like transfer contacts with infrared. And so the fact that these are using infrared to communicate with each other makes me deeply happy.

• 49:30Speaker 00

  Wow, we are having opposite reactions. All right, light up some royalty-free jams.

• 49:34Speaker 05

  I'm trying so hard.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  I'm ready for some...

• 49:36Speaker 05

  I feel like they're just not really working with me right now. I'm trying.

• 49:40Speaker 00

  You work on this.

• 49:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm working on it.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  This is level. This is kind of like a... It's not necessarily for consumers. It's like more of a medical device or for like a...

• 49:48Speaker 06

  Medical professional. It's a, it's another judgy judgy thing. It's a, okay, I'm trying to remember how to do this. Okay, first I gotta pick a mode so you can have like multiple users synced up.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  What are you doing? What's in there?

• 50:01Speaker 06

  You're gonna find out. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a breath.

• 50:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 50:08Speaker 00

  What is happening?

• 50:10Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 50:10Speaker 00

  Wait, should you have like taken a shot first?

• 50:14Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, put the thing back in. Oh, take off the straw. There we go. All right, it's judging me. This is gonna tell me how well I'm burning fat. Two.

• 50:25Speaker 05

  What does that mean?

• 50:25Speaker 06

  It's kind of low.

• 50:26Speaker 00

  What does that even mean? I feel like all I've gotten from you today is like, we're fat and we can't play the ukulele.

• 50:31Speaker 06

  This measures the acetone.

• 50:33Speaker 00

  I'm not doing great, Paul.

• 50:34Speaker 06

  It measures the acetone in your breath to like know how like active your metabolism is right now.

• 50:39Speaker 00

  Is there real science behind this? There's like a lot of stuff in this show.

• 50:42Speaker 06

  FDA approved.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  FDA approved.

• 50:44Speaker 06

  I really.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  Do you believe the FDA?

• 50:47Speaker 06

  Well, yeah, exactly, exactly. I don't know where to look. They're all around. But I think, I think the nice thing is we come to this show, we see kind of crazy stuff that makes high claims. And then like we have a science section at The Verge. I love those people because they can like dig into the real science of this. But as far as I know, this is a real thing. This is, can be measured from your breath, how well you're burning fat.

• 51:10Speaker 00

  So how do you act on this? You just feel bad about yourself?

• 51:13Speaker 06

  Work harder.

• 51:14Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 06

  Like I'm a two right now, I need to start jogging, get it up to a three.

• 51:20Speaker 00

  This is mostly for doctors, you think, not?

• 51:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's only available in Seattle right now. It's like $200 per month to have this.

• 51:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 06

  But, uh, but yeah, it's, um, it's got a nano sensor in it.

• 51:32Speaker 00

  How much does that thing cost?

• 51:33Speaker 06

  $200 per month.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  How much is a ukulele?

• 51:36Speaker 06

  150, 130, somewhere around that.

• 51:38Speaker 00

  I gotta say, ukulele is a better self-esteem.

• 51:40Speaker 06

  I mean.

• 51:41Speaker 00

  You buy the ukulele.

• 51:42Speaker 05

  I'm cutting you guys off the royalty for this.

• 51:43Speaker 00

  Eventually, wait.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  If this works.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  How are you doing over there?

• 51:46Speaker 05

  We're gonna see if it's going.

• 51:49Speaker 05

  Oh, it's playing.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  Hey, royalty-free music. That's what we've always wanted.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 51:53Speaker 00

  So now if you stack them, is it gonna play through?

• 51:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. So if I stack them, I'm just trying to turn it up louder. Alright, well if I stack these, in theory, they would work. But, you know.

• 52:03Speaker 00

  Look, it's CES, it's prototypes. How much are those things?

• 52:06Speaker 05

  $299.

• 52:07Speaker 00

  For each one?

• 52:08Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  There we go.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 52:13Speaker 05

  Okay, so they're colored, and you put them together. Yeah, so you can go side to side, and they automatically adjust their sound.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Also, I'd like to get stereo sub creation.

• 52:23Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 52:24Speaker 00

  Music makes me feel like I'm in a really high-end, end-republic.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Like a chill wave.

• 52:28Speaker 00

  Alright, Megan, okay. Megan, how's it going on Twitter?

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Uh, pretty good. I've got some questions for you guys, actually.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Uh, so the Justin Paul wants to know, what is the biggest talk of CES this year?

• 52:38Speaker 00

  The biggest what?

• 52:39Speaker 02

  The biggest talk.

• 52:40Speaker 00

  The talk, it's Alexa, I mean, it's Alexa.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  Gotta be Alexa.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  It's everywhere we go, people are talking about Alexa. And that question we were talking about with, uh, Lauren and David, like, is Amazon just gonna win?

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Okay, well that was a quick answer. Alright, we got another one.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Uh, what is the ugliest gadget you've seen so far at CES 2017? Bob Hogg wants to know.

• 52:58Speaker 00

  I'm gonna turn it over to Circuit Breaker team for that one.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:00Speaker 06

  I will say that you guys were talking about that touchscreen.

• 53:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:04Speaker 06

  It was like a really ugly prototype. Like, I've seen, you know, it's so it's like...

• 53:09Speaker 01

  Actually, I saw an even uglier prototype of a haptic touchscreen that was at the very first, uh, CES Unveiled here. And instead of having just a case, it was like a bad 3D-printed case, and you could see all the 3D-printing lines.

• 53:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, whenever you see something 3D-printed, you're just like...

• 53:24Speaker 06

  There's something special to it, and it seemed like some of the coolest tech I've seen in this show just looked like garbage on a table.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. Alright, 'cause it's all prototypes, right?

• 53:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I saw a 3D-printed tea, smart tea bag. I don't fully understand. It was supposed to tell you how long to steep your tea, which sounds really useful, but it was 3D-printed, and I was like, I don't know what to do with this cube.

• 53:44Speaker 00

  I gotta say, it's been really fun having Circuit Breaker at this show. We saw Circuit Breaker this year. Alright, you two have, like, let it off in the space, gadget space.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  We saw Alexa coming a long time ago.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  But it's fun, it's fun to have, like, our gadget team here, and like, be excited about gadgets. This show's all about gadgets, so it's fun to have you guys here.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  Speaking of gadgets, you might know that GoPro had a tough year.

• 54:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, that a problem.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Their drones kind of fell out of the sky. Ben Popper hung out with CEO of GoPro, Nick Woodman. Check it out.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Hey, everybody. It's Ben Popper with The Verge here at CES 2017. I'm about to sit down for an exclusive interview with Nick Woodman, founder and CEO of GoPro. We're going to talk about why they had to recall their Karma drone. Tell me about what you think went wrong and how you fixed that and you're bringing it back.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Well, I think the world was expecting it to be a much more complicated issue than it really was. And in the end, we had a mechanical issue related to the battery retention mechanism. So during flight, vibration would cause a small number of the batteries to vibrate loose from their connector, not fall out of the drone, but just back out of its mount just enough so that the drone would lose power.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  Very disappointing, but it wasn't something particular to drone technology that the team failed to figure out. It was a mechanical battery retention clip.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  We're back and we have Ben Popper here. Hey, guys. Who is a drone expert, if you haven't noticed. And... Wait, so I'm just going to get right into it. So that, like, real-life shrugie is amazing. I heard him say you could just tape the battery into place and the drone would be fine. He wanted to say that this was a small mechanical issue, that the team did great and that people said they bit off more than they can chew, but it was a huge success, which is a weird thing to say when you have to recall your product because it's falling out of the sky. There is one tiny benefit of the doubt that I can maybe give him. I'm not saying I believe that it was just this small issue, but, man, every Vergecast, I go deep Palm nerd stuff. Do it, that's what I hear. The original Palm Pilot almost was a huge failure because the first batch was failing intermittently.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  They couldn't figure out why. And they finally figured out that they tested it, it tested fine at the factory, and then it would fail three months later or a month later before it shipped because the springs in the batteries compressed and didn't re-expand, so the batteries would jiggle in the Palm Pilot. And the usual Palm Pilot lost all its memory when the batteries were disconnected. So, like, really simple... Things on really complicated electronics can burn you all the time. But I'm not saying that's like, somehow this still feels insufficient to me.

• 56:18Speaker 06

  Well, I mean, I think he's right, but what he's describing is the symptom, not the cause. Like, the way they designed it, they put this big gimbal in the front, and that makes the whole thing vibrate a lot, which is why the battery shakes loose, right?

• 56:29Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 56:30Speaker 06

  And so, it's just weird. It's like, you didn't really, people said you couldn't make a drone, then you named it Karma, and then it fell out of the sky. So I don't know, maybe they're gonna do another one, he said. They're gonna make a second drone. Maybe they'll call it like Hubris or something.

• 56:45Speaker 00

  Do you think they can bounce back from this? I mean, it's a big question.

• 56:47Speaker 06

  Well, I hope so. As a drone reporter, I want an American company that can compete with DJI. And I think he said one thing, which is interesting. You know, I think the consumer market is totally overbuilt. I said that yesterday. And I think it's due for kind of a bust. And when that happens, I think GoPro has the brand, right? They've got the shelf space, they've got the action sports, sort of like people. I think if they can get it right the second time, they can make a comeback and be a player. If it falls out of the sky again, I think, you know, we're done.

• 57:13Speaker 00

  I have an insane idea. It's based on literally nothing. So just take this word as it is, me being, you know, you don't know I'm drinking this mug. I think Snapchat should buy GoPro.

• 57:22Speaker 06

  Whoa.

• 57:23Speaker 00

  I think that, those are the worlds that should collide.

• 57:25Speaker 06

  You know, I did pitch flying spectacles. That was something we talked about.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  Think about it. Check it out. We got more Casey Newton doing crazy things with celebrities. Hooked up with Mr. Charles Barkley. Check it out.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  So we're here with Charles Barkley, and is this your first year? Hasn't we been here before? No, we didn't here last year. Didn't here last year. I mean, technology is amazing. What did you say? Like, did you pick up anything that made you say like, wow, I would actually bring this to my house? Uh, I'm fascinated by the robots. I'm fascinated by the TVs, to be honest with you. They got this one I saw called the wallpaper that is so thin. So what I might do is get me one of these really skinny televisions, and get me one of these robots to keep bringing me beer. Well, one of the big trends we've seen at the show this year is voice control. I wondered, like, do you have an Amazon Echo at your house? Or anything that you're talking with to do stuff for you? I do have the Echo. Yeah, what do you think about it? I think it's amazing. Like, obviously when I'm traveling a lot, I ask for the weather in most places.

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  Yes. Does it make you feel like, like, do you want to do voice control for more stuff? Does that feel like the wave of the future to you, just being able to hand it in? I think Americans are lazy enough. Let's stop making, let's stop making stuff to where we can just sit on our fat ass.

• 58:33Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 58:39Speaker 00

  We've been talking a lot about cars on the show this week at CES, and I want to take a minute to go a little deeper in a segment we call "Let's Be Clear."

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  One of the biggest and most important technologies coming to the world in the next five years is self-driving cars. Whether it's full-on automation that turns your ride into a living room on wheels, or just a bunch of tech that helps you drive better and safer. Self-driving isn't just random tech industry nonsense, it's one of the most important technologies currently in the works. Driving is way harder and riskier than we ever really think about. Tens of thousands of people die in traffic accidents every year. Having smarter cars can move us around more carefully, will literally save lives. But, let's be clear: The big rewards from self-driving and assisted driving come with some big costs as well. All this requires tons of data, and we haven't really talked about who can collect and share that data, and how that data can be used when things go wrong. Here's an example: One

• 59:30Speaker 00

  of the big trends in driver assistance at CES this year is some monitoring drivers with cameras. Nvidia's system has a camera that can tell when you've had too much to drink. Honda's emotion engine can read your body language. Intervene's Concept Eye can detect when you're not paying attention. That's all great, but cars are some of the most private spaces in our lives. Having cameras constantly monitor us in that space raises a bunch of questions. Who keeps all that data safe? If you get into an accident, will all that video be used against you? If the car's AI takes over while you're driving and makes a mistake, are you still responsible? Insurance companies already offer lower rates if you put a data collection device in your car. Are they going to start to demand access to video of you actually driving to pay out claims? This might sound silly, but some of it's already happening. Tesla's cars record a ton of data, and Tesla isn't

• 1:00:15Speaker 00

  shy about sharing that data when a Model S gets into an accident. Now, I'm ridiculously excited about self-driving cars, but we shouldn't let their enormous benefits keep us from asking where all that data's going. Because I guarantee you, we're not going to like the answer if we never ask the question. We'll be right back.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  And we are back. We have

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  Yeah, I think we're back.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Casey Newton and Lauren Good at the table, but before we talk to you schmucks, we're going to talk to them.

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  Finally, a little Casey flyer thrown right back at him.

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  Where's my bat when I need it?

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Megan, what's going on on Twitter?

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  So I have the results of our final poll. You guys are ready. So earlier we asked, which new TV would you want on your wall? And we had the Hisense 100-inch laser TV, the Sony LED Bravia 4K TV, Samsung QLED TV, or the LG Signature 4K HD OLED, which is the longest name in the world, and also the winner.

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  Yeah, it had to be the Sony. Of course it was the Sony. You think Vergecast people aren't gonna pick the one that runs Android?

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Hey, man, I'm not here to predict. I'm just here to read the results.

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  I went out and it was hard for me to say which one looked better because the way that everybody likes their booths, it's impossible to tell. Everything's cranked up to the max. But Sony made its look a little bit better than LG's did, I think.

• 1:01:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

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  But I like the LG, and I am, again, on record as saying, take the TV gets out, put it in the soundbar. Totally fine with that.

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  And have it run WebOS with a smart assistant called the Bean Bird. And then, you know, just mount it to the wall and watch your dignity just fly away on the wings of a Bean Bird.

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  I love the Bean Bird.

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  Who doesn't love a fucking Bean Bird? Anyway. Megan, what else is going on Twitter? Any good tweets?

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Uh, I think that's kind of it for now.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  All right, well, this is your last chance. We're coming up.

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  Sorry, guys.

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  We're coming up on the end of the show at CES. Hit up Megan, @verge, #CES2017 is the hashtag. We're gonna get into some best of CES stuff.

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  Time for the best.

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  We're actually gonna blow up our own spot because the piece where we name all 20, 21 of our best of CES isn't going up, I think, till later.

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  Yeah.

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  But we're gonna pre-announce some of them here.

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  But you're here with us now.

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  Not all 20, just a few.

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  Okay.

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  Our favorites.

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  Do you want to start with the most hyped? Let's start with the most hyped.

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  Most hyped. The most hyped thing at CES was AI.

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  AI. So James Vincent wrote a thing. I think he got himself in a little trouble with some very angry companies.

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  Oh, the companies were super pissed?

• 1:02:36Speaker 00

  James was like, none of this is actually AI, right? It's like pattern matching, it's collecting a bunch of data, it's doing, it's like, anything with an algorithm is now AI. I heard this word, this is a washing machine with an artificial intelligence engine. That's what we're looking at.

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  What does that mean? What does it do? Close for me.

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  It means nothing.

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  It sounds good. Without me having to pick a bit.

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  It sounds great. Yeah, it doesn't do anything for you.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:57Speaker 00

  It makes no sense. I think we saw, what was it, Xiaomi was on stage and said their TV had big data in it.

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  Yeah.

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  Casey, you're my go to on nonsense trends.

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  Yes.

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  What do the millennials think of AI?

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  Well, I mean, AI is just becoming one of those words that has expanded to encompass almost anything that a company wants it to be. And in a way, I do think it's sad that it has just become a meaningless marketing term. It kind of reminds me of like, you know, 4G, right?

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  Almost meant something.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  It almost meant something. And so does AI. And so does AI. AI almost means something, right? It means that you're using some kind of algorithm to maybe personalize a piece of technology towards you to learn something over time. But the reality is you can't get real AI in a toothbrush, at least not now. And so it's been kind of silly this year, watching that just play out.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  It's there, it's a, it's an even more complicated term, obviously, than 4G. And these companies are abusing that complication. If there's a little bit of fuzziness and people have a debate about it, they take that debate and they, in bad faith, just call anything AI. Because there's no one set definition of AI.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  Right. And second to that is probably machine learning, which is very intertwined with AI. Because one really sort of doesn't exist without the other. But machine learning is being thrown around a lot, and that is, at the end of the day, very fancy math. You could literally say these companies could literally stand up there and be like, and we're using math to make this smart.

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  I would love that.

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  And it would still be true.

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  If Google was like, you know what?

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  It would be more accessible to people.

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  We're better at math than Microsoft.

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  It's like the sickest bird. You are welcome for the idea, Google.

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  I just want to like, just be very direct. Like, you are bad at math.

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  Right.

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  We're very good at math. You should buy a Google Home.

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  It's hard math. Okay, very hard.

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  So the question for me is like, is this just the goalposts keep moving? Right? Like, if I floated an Amazon Echo back to the 80s and was like, look at this thing. People like, it's, it's a robot. It's artificially intelligent.

• 1:04:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  Well, the 80s.

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  Yeah, the 80s.

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  I was gonna say.

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  That's all anybody wanted to say.

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  That is the 80s.

• 1:04:54Speaker 00

  Oh, we're expecting this like forever. Like, it's just a long time.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  You know.

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  So, here's the problem. Here's the problem. So, when the average person hears AI, artificial intelligence, they think of the AI from her, right? The Scarlett Johansson character. It can have a conversation with you. It's emotional. It learns. It feels like a real human being, right? But we're nowhere near that, and we're several insane breakthroughs away from that ever being a possibility. But in the meantime, machine learning has advanced to the point where we can do some cool stuff that we've never been able to do before, particularly with computer vision, right? Anything that involves pattern recognition, we're getting really good at. And there are some cool innovations around that. But there's such an enormous gap between that and AI in the popular imagination that my fear is that AI is just gonna become meaningless jargon. People will hear it. They'll stop believing it because they're gonna pick up that toothbrush

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  and they're gonna realize it's not doing anything for them that their last toothbrush wasn't.

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  Yeah, except telling you that you're fat.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  You're doing it.

• 1:05:52Speaker 00

  That's true. That's what every gadget here does. You're bad at the ukulele and you should start running. Best laptop? Let's get into it.

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  Uh, the Dell XPS 2-in-1.

• 1:06:05Speaker 00

  Okay. So, I'm gonna say this.

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  I have lots of feelings about this.

• 1:06:08Speaker 00

  We've broken this category into two: best laptop and best Chromebook.

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  Right.

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  But let's stick with best laptop. Why the XPS?

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Uh, because the XPS 13, which this is based on, is just flat-out one of the, like, most straightforward best Windows laptops. They didn't screw anything up except the camera.

• 1:06:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, the camera's in the corner here. But you can just use some AI and like.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  And it just gets rid of your double chin, the camera shining up your face.

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  So Dell took it and they, like, did basically most of the right things that you would want to in 2017.

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  Look how happy Jake looks.

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  They put some USB-C ports on it. They had a micro SD card slot. But at least they tried. It's like, got some kind of expansion. And they made it, you know, fold all the way around.

• 1:06:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  You know, we'll see if it is powerful enough with the processor that's in there. But, you know, we talked about laptops a lot this week and how there's a lot of really fun, innovative, cool form factors. But at the end of the day, what you want is a laptop that gets the basics right, doesn't screw up the battery life, the screen, the feel of the keyboard, the trackpad. The, you know, Windows Hello login is actually really important on Windows laptops for me. And so far as we can tell, you know, seeing this thing here at CES, this is the laptop that will nail all of those basics and also look good doing it.

• 1:07:24Speaker 00

  Nothing says basic like a Dell.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:07:27Speaker 06

  This is basically like the Lenovo Yoga married last year's Dell XPS 13. And granted, the whole foldy-bendy thing is often a gimmick, and even the PC makers themselves will sometimes admit like, yeah, most people don't really use it in these modes. But it's nice to have that option, and it's nice to have a touchscreen.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  Well, the Yoga, you're referring, the one that I use is a Yoga 910, there's a bunch of Yogas. But the Yoga 910 is a perfect example of like screwing up the basics. Like you couldn't hit the shift key.

• 1:07:58Speaker 00

  I want to get through all these. We put best Chromebook on here, it's obviously the Samsung Chromebook Pro.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:08:04Speaker 00

  We split them up.

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  The laptop and the Chromebook.

• 1:08:07Speaker 00

  You could make the argument that we shouldn't have split them up, right? They're all laptops in the end.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:11Speaker 00

  I would say what's happening on the Windows side of the laptops is so interesting, and they're charging into a space that Apple seems to have abandoned a little bit. Like they clearly don't care as much about the Mac as we want them to. And even like Apple bloggers, like this is a disgrace, it's a disaster. But what's happening on the Chromebook side is they're extending the idea of the Chromebook, they're putting Android on it. There's a, to me, it feels like they're different things going in different directions.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  But you could make the other argument.

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  They're going in different directions, but like the Chromebook is coming into Windows turf a little bit, especially later this year when we see Android apps running full nougat on Chrome OS, when they're able to be fully resized, we might just see some slightly more professional apps coming. And so that's why I'm okay having it be in a separate category, because it's a separate kind of thing you want to track. Like, we know what Windows laptops are doing, but Chromebooks are about to go into a interesting and new direction, and they might become something more than just like bulk sales to schools.

• 1:09:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

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  I'm actually a little bit confused by this Chromebook.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Because I was looking at the specs and I was like, okay, it's running Chrome OS, right? But it has full Android capabilities. And, but it has 32GB of internal storage. So I think storage, then I think, oh, I'm gonna be able to like, run stuff from it. But you still can't really run applications from it like you would on a PC, right?

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  You can run Android applications from it, like on a PC.

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  If you played with the beta stuff, it's, they're gotta work that out.

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  Okay, I haven't yet.

• 1:09:42Speaker 00

  When they put nougat on it, it'll be, it's, hopefully it'll be different. That's why I'm thinking they're radically different ideas about what these things should be. It's basically a giant cellphone with a desktop browser.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:09:50Speaker 00

  And a Windows laptop is like a laptop, right?

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  They're weird. Uh, we have best millennial transport on here, which I think is an excuse for me to say, uh, millennials are stupid now. Uh, this Chrysler portal. It's like, basically what we're saying is best concept car.

• 1:10:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. It looks cool as hell. I was so skeptical.

• 1:10:08Speaker 00

  You were, you had like a scion for years.

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  I did, yeah, so I'm, this is sort of my jam, I guess, weirdly. But man, I saw the images of this thing.

• 1:10:16Speaker 00

  I love rolling boxes.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Give me a rolling box, I'm in a good mood.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Neil, I think I know why you're so offended by this thing. Because fundamentally, it's a minivan and you know it's in your future.

• 1:10:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's coming for me. We're gonna pack that thing full of kids and it's gonna self-drive us all the way home. That's, I don't know.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  It just like, it has cool vibes to it. It also looks kind of like one of those LG smart fridges, like you knock twice on the window and you can see what's inside.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I also feel like of all the concepts that we saw here, Chrysler's was the one that was like, the least overextending in terms of bullshit AI stuff.

• 1:10:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  Is this the one that had, I'm sorry, go ahead.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  No, that's it.

• 1:10:48Speaker 00

  They take selfies of you.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Like Toyota and Honda like overpromised.

• 1:10:51Speaker 00

  It's 4.1, like it's.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  And it comes with a skateboard or something?

• 1:10:54Speaker 00

  No, that's the other one.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:10:55Speaker 00

  That's the, uh, the new V.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:10:57Speaker 00

  All of these words make me wanna die.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Best in show. The very best thing at CES.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  Drumroll, please?

• 1:11:04Speaker 00

  It's gotta be Alexa. It's not, it's not a thing, right? It's like this overwhelming wave. And there's already been, I think, slightly. Overblown articles like "Amazon Alexa is the future of all interfaces." I don't know about that, but I think Amazon's lead here, they really dominated a trade show in a way that few companies have ever dominated a trade show and made it seem thematically unified.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  Without having a booth.

• 1:11:27Speaker 00

  Without having a booth. Well, they had a thing.

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  They have something here. They have a giant echo here, but yeah.

• 1:11:31Speaker 00

  It's just one giant echo. I mean, what's your read on this situation?

• 1:11:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think that's exactly right. There is a, like, first mover advantage is a real thing. The faster you can create that ecosystem where you get the install base, you get the developers thirsty to build applications for the platform, and it just starts happening, it gets harder and harder for someone to catch up. So, you know, Google is playing in this space now, a lot of clones are playing in this space, but you know, like, if you're Apple, for example, you're starting to look like you're really far behind. So, you know, this year, there was a genuine bona fide trend, and that was voice interaction in the home. It's real and it's here, and it's only going to expand.

• 1:12:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. I think the, I think the big question for Amazon is what we talked about earlier. Can they, can they extend this into the other places they need to be?

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:16Speaker 00

  But they've got kind of a big lead in TVs, right? They sell a bunch of firesticks. They're going to make actual TVs that run their stuff now.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Lauren actually named the firestick the best cheap set top bundle thing.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was pretty great. And it was mostly because of, like, Amazon stuff, because all those little sticks and boxes are pretty much commoditized, right?

• 1:12:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, I think it's interesting, CES for years, this is the 50th year of the show, hopefully we don't all come here 50, but it's always been about the home, right? It's always been about big stereo systems, big TVs, big stuff in your house. And this is the first year where that refocus on stuff in your house gave this place purpose. And it seems like Amazon is like, "We're just going to be in your house." And we failed on mobile because we had a bad idea about cameras, face tracking on phones. But if we can own what's happening in your house, then we have a beachhead to, like, maybe go with you. Is that kind of how you feel?

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  I just have to say that I was at one of the preview events the other night, and I saw a prototype of the GE Light, which is just this big, it looks like one of those circles behind us, right, that, that is going to have Alexa. And the woman that was standing there at the booth looked at me and just, without any irony, no smile on her face, said, "You can order a pizza through the light if you'd like." And I was like, "Wow, the future is here."

• 1:13:31Speaker 06

  I kinda wanted pizza at that moment, too. So I was like, ooh.

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  So what don't you want Alexa in, in your house?

• 1:13:38Speaker 00

  What do you mean? Isn't it a dream that you just have like microphones everywhere? I mean, I just want a whole rant about like data and privacy.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  But isn't it like you just walk around your house like saying things? The house listens to you and responds?

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:50Speaker 00

  I think what Amazon doesn't have right is like if you have multiple things, they don't know about each other too well, right? Like, the right one's supposed to answer, but that doesn't always work.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:59Speaker 06

  Right. You can't use your echo for your tweet.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  I hear that we have a tweet.

• 1:14:03Speaker 06

  This is...

• 1:14:04Speaker 00

  I hear we have a tweet.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  The final tweet.

• 1:14:05Speaker 00

  The final tweet of the night. The most ominous words in the English language.

• 1:14:09Speaker 06

  The best of Twitter. We have a special tweet specifically for Casey that I would like to make sure we get on screen right now that someone sent us.

• 1:14:16Speaker 00

  Oh, my god.

• 1:14:17Speaker 03

  That's some of my...

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  This is brutal.

• 1:14:20Speaker 03

  Some of my hair inspirations from the past. Alexa, turn that off.

• 1:14:28Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Oh, man. This is a brutal way to end.

• 1:14:31Speaker 00

  We have a tweet.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  Alexa.

• 1:14:33Speaker 00

  Has anything good ever happened for your self-esteem after this? That's it. I mean, like, it's been a busy show. The Sugarbreaker team is gonna be doing a bunch more videos of the show. There's a bunch of other reporting that we'll pull out from the show.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, we got a couple more days at CES, so stay tuned through the weekend. And we just wanna thank everybody for watching. We wanna thank everybody that helped put together the show.

• 1:14:55Speaker 00

  Let's bring in the fam.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  Let's bring in all our friends.

• 1:14:56Speaker 00

  I wanna see the fam. They're very reluctantly gonna walk out on camera now.

• 1:15:01Speaker 00

  Paul decided to wear this hat.

• 1:15:09Speaker 00

  We're on the web, we're at theverge.com. This is the podcast of the week on iTunes. It's called The Vergecast. It's the flagship podcast of theverge.com. There's a number of catchphrases I have to say. Cut through the night, rock and roll. Paul! That's it. That's The Vergecast, CES, we'll see ya.