A repair shop’s guide to surviving RAMageddon

It feels right now like prices are going up, gadgets are getting worse, and everything is getting harder to buy. Leo Mastrolia, the Digital Doctor and the owner of a repair shop in New Jersey, is seeing this all play out first hand. For the second part of our conversation (and the first part of our RAMageddon survival guide), he tells us what he’s telling his clients about fixing their gadgets, managing upgrades, and surviving a parts crisis. Further reading: Elon Musk made flying even worse so Palantir could profit Apple’s camera-equipped AirPods appear in leaked video Fairphone’s latest repairable phone is going on sale in the US Spirit in the machine Polaroid’s new Pokémon collection captures memories, not Pikachus Digital Doctor Repairs on YouTube Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed. We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to [email protected] or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

• 0:02Speaker 00

  Hello and welcome to The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of supplier websites. I'm your friend David Pierce, and today on the show is part two of my conversation with Leo Mastrolia, the Digital Doctor himself. If you didn't hear it or watch it yesterday, the first part of our conversation was all about Leo's journey. As a gadget repair person, as a creator, as someone trying to start a business in a time where repairs are complicated and lots of companies don't want you to do it, we talked all about his journey, his customers, the relationship that they're building with their gadgets and with him, and where all of this is headed next. Today, we're doing what actually we set out to do in the first place when we started talking to Leo, which is talk about Ramageddon. This is the first episode in a new series on The Vergecast we are calling "The Ramageddon Survival Guide."

• 0:46Speaker 00

  The Ramageddon Survival Guide is designed to basically help us figure out what to do in this moment when, after 20 years of all of these computer parts becoming cheaper and faster and more abundant everywhere and invading every product everywhere in our entire lives, this stuff is getting more expensive and harder to find at just unbelievable pace. So with Leo today, we're going to talk about how he goes about getting this stuff in order to help repair people's gadgets, what he tells people about when to upgrade and when to sell and how to get rid of their old stuff, how we, the users, can start to take more control over our devices in that way, and lots more. It's a great conversation. We're gonna survive Ramageddon together, my friends. But first, here's everything else happening on The Verge today.

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  I'm Nathan Edwards, and this is 90 Seconds on The Verge for Tuesday, August 18th, 2026. Macrumors found a video in a macOS beta that appears to show AirPods with cameras in them and refers to setting up visual intelligence with AirPods.

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  Apple's been rumored to be working on these for months, and Bloomberg's Mark Gurman thinks they could launch as early as September. Gurman also says they won't take pictures or video, but instead rely on low-resolution visual data, which sounds a lot like a picture to me. Daryl Campbell has a story on The Verge today. "America's air traffic control system needs more controllers and better equipment. Instead, it got Elon Musk's Doge, which made everything worse." And now the Trump administration has handed Palantir a series of no-bid contracts to implement AI into everything from runway collision avoidance to grant writing, and actually plans to reduce controller headcount even more. The Fairphone 6+, which just got a 10 out of 10 repairability score from iFixit, is the first phone from the company to officially be sold in the US.

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  It'll cost $650, and every part of it is designed to be repairable and upgradable. I really hope it's good. I love the repairable trend from them and from framework and others. Also on the site, Google just paid $10 million for a bunch of Spirit Airlines business data, including spreadsheets, emails, documents, and Teams messages, so it can use it to train AI. So excited for that. And finally, you can now buy a Polaroid camera that looks like Pikachu, so you can take a Pikachu. You can read more at theverge.com. That's 90 Seconds on The Verge for August 18th, 2026.

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• 4:12Speaker 03

  Ramageddon is coming for us all.

• 4:14Speaker 00

  Again, Leo Mistruglia, the Digital Doctor. What are you seeing right now in terms of how people are feeling about Ramageddon? Like, do people understand that prices are going up right now? Has it hit sort of the people you're talking to in the store every day?

• 4:28Speaker 05

  Definitely, definitely. Especially with the younger crowd. I mean, people are looking at MacBooks, and they're looking at the prices, and they're like, "This is crazy." A lot of the gamers, they're coming in, they're like, "Hey, I like..." Because I have a custom PC right in the store when you walk in. They're like, "That's a beautiful computer. Like, I love it, but like, I want to upgrade my computer." And like, but like, the prices of RAM and the graphics cards, like, everything's crazy. Like, it's better to buy a pre-built. And like, that's a lot of the issues that people are running into. They want to upgrade to newer tech, but they just simply can't afford it.

• 4:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. What do you tell those folks right now?

• 4:56Speaker 05

  I say, you know, the main issue right now is the data centers, you know, buying up all the, all the computer parts and shooting prices to the roof.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:03Speaker 05

  And then also, when Samsung raises their prices, they use, you know, Apple uses a lot of Samsung parts with the chips and everything, so those prices go up too. So it's just across the board. I'm like, I tell them what it is, what it is, unfortunately. That's just our life now, is everything's going up.

• 5:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. And is it, are you finding that people are mostly coming in trying to, or even as maybe being talked into, trying to make their devices last longer, that you're getting stuff that's kind of on its last legs, or, you know, screen cracked, or the battery's starting to die or whatever? And folks who might a year ago have said, "Well, I already went to the T-Mobile store and bought a new one," are now saying, "Can I keep this alive for a couple more years?"

• 5:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I always try to do what's best for the customer. If it's only a few years old, I always tell them, "Hey, probably needs a new battery. Just pop a battery in it, you're good, you save yourself the money." But if it's like an iPhone 7, and I'm like, "The phone's been out for over 10 years."

• 5:58Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 5:59Speaker 05

  Just...

• 5:59Speaker 00

  It has done its job.

• 6:00Speaker 05

  Just get a new phone, you know? And if you don't want to buy a brand new, just go on Backmarketer, even Amazon Renewed is honestly not bad. Pick up a renewed phone for $300, $400, like a 13, and you'll be very happy.

• 6:11Speaker 00

  Right. Have you noticed devices getting more repairable? I think we've started to hear some noise the last couple of generations that as right to repair has become more popular, as these laws have started to pass, that, you know, the iFixit scores are going, they're not going to 10 out of 10, but they're going from like 2 to 6. Are you noticing that in the shop?

• 6:31Speaker 05

  Definitely. Um, I feel as though iPhones have been making some pretty good headway. iOS has been offering at least this self-repair program, so you can go on their website, get serialized parts sent directly to you. They also do have an option in settings that show you like a, it's like finish repair option, it calibrates the new part, which is super cool.

• 6:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 05

  But at the same time, Samsung doesn't give you that message at all. You could swap a screen, battery, charge port, aftermarket OEM, and that's the cool part about Samsung, is it gives you the ability to make your own decision as the consumer to fix your own thing and not have to worry about these stupid little caveats with the calibration and settings, you know?

• 7:08Speaker 00

  Do you think we're headed in a good direction there? Are we going to get more of that kind of user-reparable stuff? I think, part of the reason I ask is, I think what has changed, and what is kind of in the process of changing, is that after a whole generation of basically trying to run stores like yours out of business, these tech companies are being required to embrace that they exist, right? And I think the reexistence of the local repair shop, just as a place to go to figure out what's going on that isn't the Apple Store, Apple would really like it to be the Apple Store so that they can sell you more stuff. You're operating a different business that they are now having more and more to play along with.

• 7:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:48Speaker 00

  And so, I guess what I wonder is, is there a world in which the, the sort of right-to-repair movement is bad for business because it puts more things into the hands of users? Or is it just good for business because it lets you do your job?

• 8:04Speaker 05

  Well, you've raised up a couple of good points, honestly, because I feel as though all of these companies, they do it under the guise of safety. They always say, "Well, we can't have you touch your own battery because what if you damage it?" Or, "Oh, sorry, we can't have you work on this because this is going to happen."

• 8:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're like, "Who's this guy Leo? What does he know?"

• 8:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's exactly how they think. Now, the issue arises, though, when it comes down to, "Do you own what you bought? Or am I just using it?" Because I think when you own something, you should be able to allow to take it apart. And that's the issue a lot of people have with these like Teslas, for instance. They don't, they don't sell replacement parts. A lot of shops aren't Tesla-certified in order to work on them. So, a lot of the car world, especially because it's doing a weird merge with tech now, too. A lot of cars are turning into EVs. And it gets, it raises a very good question of like, all right, if the consumer can't take it to an independent shop or fix it themselves, they kind of own the whole thing. And if you're forcing people to kind of go in that direction, like, "All right, we want

• 9:05Speaker 05

  all EV cars moving, you know, to 2025 or 2050, whatever." You know, it raises a good question of like, what are we going to do moving forward? Like, are we just going to keep allowing these companies to bleed every last dollar out of us as consumers? Or are we going to actually make a stand and be like, "Hey, we're not going to buy from you anymore?"

• 9:24Speaker 00

  Do you find yourself having to explain that dynamic to people all the time? Because I think, again, especially with phones, we're just so deep into this phase where we kind of don't own our phones, that I don't think people really think about it. It's they're so important and yet they're sort of disposable in a way.

• 9:43Speaker 05

  It's funny too, because most people don't own their phones. You're absolutely right. A lot. I ask people a lot. I go, is the phone paid off? And I would say 90% of the time, they say no.

• 9:51Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 9:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. So the carrier still technically owns that phone because they're still making payments on it.

• 9:55Speaker 00

  Does that change the way you approach it?

• 9:57Speaker 05

  Well, yeah. So if the phone's really damaged, they can't really go ahead and replace it. Because now they're stuck with that that bill. If they owe $700 on that on that phone, they have to pay it off in order to get a new phone.

• 10:09Speaker 00

  Right.

• 10:09Speaker 05

  So a lot of people are getting stuck with their older phones, even though it might not be worth fixing just because, you know, they're they have that payment.

• 10:17Speaker 00

  Right. Okay. So we've talked a bunch about phones, but I want to talk about laptops too, because I think laptops, A, are a device people tend to want to keep longer, like you said. I think very few people willingly upgrade their laptop. You go until it's dead and then you get a new one. And B, a thing we talk about on this show all the time is that the single most important way to upgrade your laptop is to get more RAM. And so I would assume that one thing you have done for many people over the years is add more memory, add more RAM and send them home.

• 10:48Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 10:48Speaker 00

  Is that even a thing you can do in 2020? Like, can you, Leo, go out and buy RAM right now?

• 10:55Speaker 05

  Honestly, no. It's very difficult. I mean, there are sometimes you'll they'll pop up on like my supplier's website. You'll see DDR5 RAM. You're like, oh, great. Let me buy some.

• 11:04Speaker 00

  Do you just have to like you just buy as much as you possibly can as soon as it arrives?

• 11:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, just as soon as soon as you can get get a hold of it.

• 11:10Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 11:11Speaker 05

  But a lot of issues on iOS side is it's soldered on. So like, there's no real way to upgrade the RAM on Mac computers, because everything's soldered on since like 2018 and up. Like, they've been doing that, soldering on memory, soldering on storage. And basically, if one of those two components, you know, craps the bed on you, you're basically SOL out of a computer. Like, if you didn't have your stuff saved, you're you're screwed.

• 11:35Speaker 00

  One of the more egregious right-to-repair violations out there, I would say.

• 11:39Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. No, I think so. We're not having removable storage is like the absolute worst. Because if your computer goes dead, at least you can still recover the information. That's why I always, you know, let people know, no matter if it's a phone or a tablet or computer, just back up your stuff. You know, have a cloud backup and then also have a physical backup to a thumb drive, external hard drive, because external hard drives aren't really that expensive anymore.

• 12:01Speaker 00

  Right. So what do you do now? If somebody comes in, they're like, my laptop is busted. A new one costs a billion dollars, particularly on the Windows side, which I think has traditionally been an easier thing to service and repair. What's your what's your process now with a with a laptop like that?

• 12:17Speaker 05

  So a lot of times I let them know about the costs and they're obviously not very happy about it. A lot of times I can just go through and just adjust some of the settings on the computer, kind of make it run a little bit better. But when it comes to major hardware upgrades on computers, I don't think we've done a major one on laptops for like, since since this whole debacle started happening.

• 12:39Speaker 00

  Is part of the is part of the thinking just, I could install more RAM, but it would cost basically what you paid for the computer?

• 12:46Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. You can get a pre-built like laptop, like a HP NV for like, you know, a thousand bucks, you know, and it's going to have not that much storage, maybe 512 gigabytes storage and maybe like 16 gigs of RAM. But like, it'll be all right, like for most people now. And then anybody that wants more performance-based stuff, they're leaning more towards Mac, in my opinion.

• 13:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's fair. How are you thinking about getting parts like that these days? Like, I would assume, you know, again, you said that you have a supplier.

• 13:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:14Speaker 00

  You buy things that you need. You probably have a reasonable sense of how many screens you're going to need that week. I would assume that's actually getting trickier now that flip phones and foldable phones are kind of back. There is no longer sort of one shape and size of device. But then you throw in, there's a bunch of RAM available. It's unbelievably expensive. Am I gonna like take out a second mortgage on the shop to buy a bunch of RAM that people are gonna need? It just seems like a hard time to buy and forecast need for anything like this.

• 13:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, the simple answer to that is I just I just don't buy the RAM, because it's way too expensive. And, you know, unless a customer comes in and they're like, hey, like, I absolutely want to get this fixed. Most of the time, they're not they're not fixing it, to be hon to be honest with you. They're just not going to. And then when it comes to parts availability, a lot of the more expensive stuff, like the foldables, I don't carry that in stock just because the foldable screens are extremely pricey, between $400 and $600 for the screen. And the main issue with those foldables is they start to delaminate on the fold, where half the screen will just go black or turn green. And, you know, I let people know, like, hey, I can fix it. But I've had people have the phone for two months and it started doing that.

• 14:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:24Speaker 05

  So I don't really trust, I'm like the most anti-foldable phone person there is, just because I've seen him constantly with so many issues that I don't think it's worth it.

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• 16:31Speaker 00

  Okay, I'm going to make you play a game that you're gonna hate. But we're only gonna play it for a couple of minutes, then I'm gonna let you go. This game, I just decided, is called Deal With It, Fix It, or Upgrade.

• 16:40Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 16:41Speaker 00

  And I think particularly at this moment in time, it's stuff is so expensive. We want things to live longer, but also you don't want to throw a bunch of bad money into an already outdated gadget, right? So I'm gonna throw a bunch of gadgets at you. Let's assume these are all sort of mid-sized problems, like things that will cost me some money to fix, but it's not completely ruined.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  And I want you to tell me if I should just deal with it as long as I can, fix it, or just go get a new one. It's not worth it. Sound good?

• 17:10Speaker 05

  Perfect. I'm excited for this, actually.

• 17:12Speaker 00

  Xbox Series X, pretty recent Xbox.

• 17:16Speaker 05

  Fix it.

• 17:17Speaker 00

  Okay. Same for PlayStation 5?

• 17:19Speaker 05

  Fix it. Uh, are we talking about the day one PlayStation? Are we talking about like the PlayStation 5, like Slim or the Pro? Because the Slim and the Pro, I would say yes.

• 17:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:30Speaker 05

  Now, the base model PS5, I would say probably upgrade.

• 17:33Speaker 00

  Okay. iPhone 17?

• 17:37Speaker 05

  iPhone 17, fix it.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  iPhone 16?

• 17:40Speaker 05

  Fix it.

• 17:41Speaker 00

  15?

• 17:42Speaker 05

  Fix it.

• 17:43Speaker 00

  14?

• 17:46Speaker 05

  Deal with it.

• 17:47Speaker 00

  Interesting. Okay. Why deal with it and not fix it or upgrade? I thought you were gonna say upgrade for 14.

• 17:52Speaker 05

  Nah, honestly, it's at that weird age where like, honestly, if you're having a minor issue, but it's still like, still works, no issue. Like, besides that, it still works like 99% of the time. I would say just save yourself the money and just rock with it until like you just want to upgrade a new phone.

• 18:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. Do you get a lot of people with like lightly cracked screens that you're like, just, just go about your business. It's gonna be fine. Just deal with it.

• 18:14Speaker 05

  Some people come in with like light scratches and they want a new screen for that. And that always blows my mind, because I'm very much a person that like, even if my screen's broken, I'll still use it until it's it's done. Like, you can't use it anymore. The touch is like acting crazy. But there's some people that are very particular about their device and they want it to be pristine.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  I should confess to you that I'm one of those people. My iPhone 16, I mean, within within two weeks of me getting it, got just, I mean, the tiniest little scratch that you barely noticed. It certainly didn't cause any problems, but I it was like I couldn't see anything else. I couldn't see what was on my phone. All I could see was the scratch.

• 18:54Speaker 05

  It's only because it's a new factor. That's what it is. When you have something that's new, like if you buy a brand new car and you scratch it, you're like, I'm never on seeing that. But if it's like a 10-year-old car, you're like, eh, who cares, you know?

• 19:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:04Speaker 05

  Do you have a screen protector on your phone? Like, I always wondered that with people.

• 19:07Speaker 00

  I don't have a screen protector, because I put one on once and it took me so long and was so annoying that I just decided to never do it again.

• 19:16Speaker 05

  Did you have the annoying air bubbles in it?

• 19:17Speaker 00

  Yes, it was awful. I spent so it was again, it was like the trying to take the battery out of the phone. I spent so much time doing the very best that I could and never got it to my satisfaction.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  Well, next time you're in New York, let me know. I'll put one on for you. I'll get them on perfect.

• 19:30Speaker 00

  All right, I have a couple more.

• 19:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:32Speaker 00

  I have a four-year-old Windows laptop with eight gigs of RAM.

• 19:41Speaker 05

  Get a new one, upgrade.

• 19:43Speaker 00

  I think upgrade is probably the right, the right answer there. And it's like, upgrade right now before everything gets even more expensive.

• 19:49Speaker 05

  A lot of people are actually switching to Linux now because Windows 11 just has so much bloat on it. It's such a bad operating system.

• 19:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Do you have a set of recommendations? I mean, I would imagine you get a lot of people who come in, like you're talking about with the Android phones, who are like, I, this thing is too complicated. I've caused this number of problems. Everything feels bad. I don't like it. What do I do? Do you have a, a sort of road you guide people down of like, here is the thing you could do to make your life simpler?

• 20:12Speaker 05

  I, I try my best, but the issue is all these companies have major issues. Like Microsoft's really been dropping the ball the last couple of years. Like Windows 11 is the worst version of operating system I've ever experienced with all the copilot and all those unnecessary like animations and stuff that just slow it the hell down. And then they're really dropping the ball with Xbox now. I mean, they, they're having a lot of controversy right now in the media with a lot of the decisions that they're making and they might even sell the Xbox after raising the prices. When it comes to companies using, um, like the thing, you don't own anything when it comes to software anymore, because every single company has taken advice from the streaming companies of, hey, instead of buying a movie and, you know, you own it.

• 20:54Speaker 05

  They're all just letting you, you know, subscribe to it either monthly or yearly, like Microsoft 365. And then now the game pass. It's like, they don't want you to actually own any of this media anymore. They just want to rent it to you and they make way more money in the long term. And honestly, I think consumers have let this go on for so long that I think people will need to finally start pushing back about these endless subscriptions because it's bleeding Americans dry.

• 21:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think there is a real Linux thing happening right now.

• 21:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  For exactly that reason. And I think, I, I am extremely curious to see how big that goes. Cause it makes sense that there's a niche of people who are, you know, tech savvy and have the, the means and the interest and the time who are like, I'm going to invest in building this out. That's a very hard thing to ask of most people, including, I assume, most of the people who come into the shop. But at the same time, the, the energy you're describing is real. I think most people feel the way that you just said.

• 21:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're getting fed up with it for sure.

• 21:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. And they're trying to figure out what to do about that now. It's going to be really interesting.

• 21:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  Okay. Last one on the deal with it, fix it, upgrade it thing. And this, this one is impossible. It's just iPad, uh, because I would assume you get a lot of people coming in with an iPad. Walk me through the, what are we gonna, what are we gonna repair? What are we gonna tell them to upgrade? What are we just gonna send them home for?

• 22:11Speaker 05

  So it depends. I would say anything from, anything too old, like a iPad Air 2 to like an iPad eighth generation. I would say, don't fix it, honestly. Don't fix it. Unless it's for like a little kid, like a baby toddler, a kid with autism that just needs something to play on and helps them like relieve stress. Those can be really cheap to fix, like between, you know, $50 and $80. So if they're constantly breaking it, I would say, yeah, stick with those and fix them. But if you wanna like, you're just an average consumer and you want something that, you know, work on, definitely upgrade and get a new one. Now, the pros, I would say the Pro 12.9s and the Pro 13 inches.

• 22:55Speaker 05

  Most of the time it's worth just upgrading and getting a new one because those parts, uh, the digitizer and the LCD are fused together. So the screen costs on those are extremely expensive. I think even for the first 12.9, uh, first generation that they release, it's like about eight years old now. The screen cost is still $400. So you could put that money towards a new device, you know?

• 23:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:20Speaker 05

  So I would say anything that's too old. And then any of the Airs, I would say from Air 4 and up, fix. Anything below that, don't even worry about it, just upgrade.

• 23:30Speaker 00

  All right. That's it for the show. Thanks again to Leo for being here and thank you as always for watching and listening. If you have more thoughts, questions, feelings, again, I still have Leo's email. If you want to hit me up for gadget repair questions, I will burst the battery on your phone trying to pry it open. Leo, presumably better. Hit up the digital doctor, hit us up, [email protected]. Call us on the hotline, 866-VERGE11. We love hearing from you. As a reminder, the best thing you can do to support all of this is to subscribe to The Verge, theverge.com/subscribe. It gets you all of our podcasts ad free, including this one. It gets you all of our exclusive newsletters. It gets you all of our coverage of ramaged in technology, everything. Theverge.com/subscribe. Best thing you'll ever do. Thank you in a chance. The Vergecast is a Verge production and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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  This show is produced by Josh Kahas, Eric Gomez, Brandon Kiefer, and Travis Larchak. We'll see you tomorrow. Rock and roll.

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