Meta and Snap battle for your face

Meta and Snap both want to get on your face. The Verge's Victoria Song and Jay Peters tried out all the new hardware: Specs, audio-only Ray Bans, and Meta VR. Today, they join guest host David Imel to talk about how these new smart glasses feel, both physically and emotionally. Further reading: Meta’s next VR device isn’t a headset — it’s glasses Meta ditches the camera on its newest smart glasses I wore Snap’s $2,200 smart glasses Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed. We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to [email protected] or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  Welcome to The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of the Metaverse. Still, I'm David Amel, and today we're talking about smart glasses. Meta announced a boatload of new glasses last night. There's new Ray-Ban Metas, including an audio-only version, and some new VR glasses. And last week, Snap showed off its new specs. The Verge's Jay Peters and V Song are here to talk about it. But first, here's what's happening on The Verge today. I'm David Amel, and this is 90 Seconds on The Verge for Thursday, September 24th, 2026. Google has formally announced Project Suncatcher, a new venture to test how well satellites with AI processors perform in space. The satellite's equipped with Google's tensor processing units and will launch aboard a SpaceX

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• 5:32David Pierce?

  Jay and V, welcome to The Vergecast.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  Thanks for having us.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  Thanks for having us.

• 5:36David Pierce?

  All right, so we got to start with Meta Connect. We taped this after a press preview where you guys got to go hands-on with the new products, but before the actual public event that happened last night. Question for V. The Verge ran a piece a few days ago called "Can You Forget How You Feel About Meta?" So my question to you is, have you forgotten how you feel about Meta?

• 5:57Speaker 04

  No, I have not forgotten how I feel about Meta. It is, that was a really big effort across, it was me, Mia, Hayden, and Lauren, just kind of all, I called it the Meta Voltron while we were writing it, and just kind of all coming in with their various expertise about how people feel about Meta, kind of ties into the various tentacles it has in all of these businesses. And obviously, I was addressing the glasses portion of it and their XR efforts, and so that was like really kind of on display while we were walking through the Meta headquarters.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  And it was kind of impossible to forget how I feel about testing these devices and then how other people feel about these devices now that they're increasingly in the wild. And that was very much at the forefront of my mind, so no, I was not able to forget how I and other people feel about Meta in general.

• 6:59David Pierce?

  I think there's a clear reason why they probably decided to release some smart glasses without cameras, even though they're still kind of barreling ahead with the cameras, but we're going to get to that. Jay, I want to talk to you first. The Muse agent is coming to these glasses, all these new glasses they're releasing. Can you tell me more about what that means exactly?

• 7:20Speaker 03

  That means you can take the Muse agent, which is primarily run through an app on your phone, and you can be looking at something and ask your Muse agent about it. And so how that's different from like, talking to just the "hey Meta" more generally is, in theory, your agent is really dialed into kind of your specific needs. If you've used it a while, maybe it understands your personal context a little bit better. And so, in theory, this agent is that much more helpful about telling you about what you're looking at. We were given a theoretical example of like, we were speaking with Henry, which was a Muse

• 8:00Speaker 03

  AI agent for a 38-year-old marketing professional who wanted to be, who was really focusing on his fitness, and they had a bunch of food right in front of us, and so we could ask like, what is this food in front of us? Yeah, it was a food demo. And like, which one is best for my macros? Can you add this to my cart? And you're just chatting with the agent on your glasses. It was a little slow, in my experience, like you'd wait many seconds before it would respond to you, which kind of took it, it didn't feel as conversational as maybe just chatting through an app, but you can see how, as Meta wants to make its glasses very smart and

• 8:42Speaker 03

  make them your constant AI companion for everything that you do, this is how Muse ties in with that.

• 8:47David Pierce?

  It feels that that would require quite a bit of confidence in the fact that this AI agent is just doing things for you automatically, right? Because at least if you're chatting with it on your phone, you kind of see the tasks that it's taking. Did that seem weird to you at all? Did you feel like you wouldn't really trust it to do the right things?

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Well, in one of my demos, it was looking at a box of protein bars, and it said, "This has 15 grams of protein," and the box definitely said it had 20 grams of protein. So you know, you have to like-

• 9:18David Pierce?

  That's not great.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Kind of the constant, how much do you trust your AI to be telling you the correct information? That's still, right now, is a concern with using this agent. And it's not out yet, I don't think. It might be something that's coming later this year, but still, we, you know, we'd have to try it ourselves with our own agent.

• 9:37Speaker 04

  I tried the same demo as Jay did, but like with a different pair of glasses. They just had like these stations set up, and I kind of had a similar experience where I was also just like, you can't see that it's thinking. So I was like, there's no like, doo doo doo, doo doo doo. Like, you don't know?

• 9:55Speaker 03

  Sometimes you'd be like, "Let me check on that for you," and then it's just silence while you just wait.

• 10:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so it's like, oh, is it listening? Did it forget? Is it just thinking? You know, this is really kind of demo versions. It could very much change before it gets public, but I was telling them like, "You should make some, like, way for me to know if it's actually doing something, or if it's just like, lost connection or whatnot." And I tried putting something into my cart, and it was like, "Ah, yeah, so these little granola bite bars, they're not part of the catalog." And I was like, "What catalog?"

• 10:35Speaker 04

  So.

• 10:36David Pierce?

  Let's, let's break down exactly what new hardware they announced specifically with the Ray-Ban glasses. So you mentioned they have a new Meta Ray-Ban Gen 3, I'm assuming with cameras. And then there's an audio only version. Can you guys describe the difference between the two? Maybe V take the camera version?

• 10:53Speaker 04

  Okay, so just, there's a lot that's coming out and what I'm going to say is it's more. There's, there's just more happening and a lot of that is to give new styles for everyone. Because the camera glasses, like we've got these Meta Ray-Ban Gen 3s on my face. And do I look like Jeffrey Dahmer? Because they're aviators, there's aviator versions now.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  Hello, I'm wearing them.

• 11:19David Pierce?

  Are they faster or is it just different styles? What's different with the Gen 3?

• 11:23Speaker 04

  Uh, different styles. There are adjustable temple tips. So that's something that they took from the optics glasses, which were meant to be more ergonomic and more prescription friendly. And so you have these temple tips here, which can be adjusted. They recommend you go to an optician to do that. There is six mics in these instead of five, so call quality should be better. And they last longer, one hour longer than the Gen 2s. So not a huge crazy hardware update on this front. There's these aviator glasses and this, it's not the warrior princess, but they have a Xena model. And that's kind of like a geometric cat eye situation. And then that's the Gen 3s.

• 12:09David Pierce?

  And these are still Ray-Ban Meta, correct? They're not just the Meta glasses?

• 12:12Speaker 04

  They're still.

• 12:13David Pierce?

  Okay.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, these, we're going into the, some crazy naming conventions as well. These are still the Ray-Ban Meta Gen 3. And then we saw the Ray-Ban Meta Audio Glasses, which are no camera. That's the big thing, no camera.

• 12:30David Pierce?

  Well, how are they pitching the no camera version? I mean, obviously there's a big backlash against smart glasses right now. Meta is probably trying to salvage their reputation a little bit. It doesn't help as much when they're releasing camera versions and non-camera versions, especially if they look similar, because people cannot really tell the difference. Jay, how are they like, how are they pitching that to people? Do they include any of that skepticism in there?

• 12:53Speaker 03

  Not directly in the folks that we talk to. I mean, a thing to know about Connect is you're walking around Meta's campus and like, the vast majority of people are wearing Meta glasses in some way. So it's like this alternate reality universe where like, everybody's chill with Meta glasses.

• 13:11David Pierce?

  Yeah.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  But for the audio focused versions, the big thing is that they're lighter. And because there is no camera and in theory like less technology in the temples, that means they can offer slightly different styles. Like one that had, they're just, they're like thinner temple bands that like sit on your ears. And I think that the styles look nicer personally. They just look that much less like computer glasses on your face.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  Think Mad Men 50s Clubmaster style glasses, kind of like the horn-rimmed.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  Here, for folks on audio, it's the style where like, there's like a little metal wire in the middle and you can see some plastic on top, but on the bottom, it's more of kind of a, you can see the metal of the lens. And this is not what the glasses are, but it is a close approximation of one of the styles.

• 14:06David Pierce?

  Okay, I heard something about a hearing enhancement feature, but that costs extra. Can you talk about that?

• 14:12Speaker 04

  It's FDA cleared. It is, so you know, SLR Luxottica has a different type of glasses called Nuance Audio. And they're just basically using AI to enhance the audio, kind of give it a conversation. It's similar to Conversation Boost. It's similar to over the counter hearing aids that we've seen in the past. FDA has given clearance because it's meant to be kind of an aid type feature.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  It does cost about $150 extra.

• 14:42David Pierce?

  Wow.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  The way that they told me it's going to work is that it's like, it's a one-time fee that you pay upfront.

• 14:48David Pierce?

  Got it.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  So it's not necessarily like a, oh, extra fee or whatnot. And then you just have it there and it's meant to be kind of an aid for people who need that. So.

• 15:01David Pierce?

  Okay, yeah, I mean, the more hearing aids, the better, I would suppose, out in the wild. There's apparently also Dolby Atmos audio capture, spatial audio. Is that only on the audio only glasses or is that on both of them?

• 15:13Speaker 04

  I think that's going to be on any of them. So a lot of this stuff is they're not gatekeeping things to the audio glasses only. I think the only thing about the audio glasses to keep in mind is that it's meant to, one, it feels like the timing is very pointed because hot surveillance summer, right?

• 15:30David Pierce?

  Yep.

• 15:31Speaker 04

  But they were very adamant in insisting that this has been in the works since 2024. Back when they launched the Meta glasses, there was a press event and Boz was there. And he's just like, oh, you know, we know that people love using the audio. We're exploring audio only. So he was kind of teasing it a couple of months ago before things really blew up with the backlash. So it just happens to be that they're launching it at this time where people are like, oh, we hate these cameras. And so now we have a camera free version that's only going to be audio. Very convenient timing for them.

• 16:09David Pierce?

  Yeah.

• 16:09Speaker 04

  And the Dolby Atmos thing, I think that ties into another product that we saw today. But in general, the audio you capture when you're recording is spatial now for immersive. That's the, that's the word, like immersive content.

• 16:25David Pierce?

  Right, well, better than Metaverse. But speaking of Metaverse, it seems that Meta has not completely given up on the Metaverse as they have announced a new pair of VR AR mixed reality glasses. Jay, can you take me through this? They're $12.99, launching in the spring of next year. It seems like an early announcement. What exactly are these things?

• 16:45Speaker 03

  They are the Meta VR Glasses. And honestly, the best way to think about them is if Meta took a Quest headset and smashed it down into a glasses form factor. It's, you wear them much more like glasses than like strapping a whole headset over your face. And they have what Meta calls a, I think it was a 5K infinite display was the term that we heard. It's a micro LED display. It looks very nice though. So like you put them on and you see color pass through of the things around you. And of course, there's some, it's not the same as looking at the real world with your real eyeballs.

• 17:26David Pierce?

  Right.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  But like, it was pretty passable. And then like content will appear in front of you. The big thing with the glasses is that instead of controllers as the primary input method, it uses eye tracking to look at what you're looking at on screen. And then as V on video is doing is pinchy pinch, lots of hand tracking.

• 17:46David Pierce?

  Okay, so they're taking inspo for the Vision Pro?

• 17:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, and so the combo of that, you just, you, you interact with it a little bit differently than you would with a VR headset, but you still get to do a lot of VR type things.

• 18:00David Pierce?

  How exactly were these positioned? Were these similar to like the Quest Pro where it was productivity focus and work focus? Or are these more of like a Quest 3 where it's sort of a lot of games? Or was it a little bit of both?

• 18:11Speaker 03

  It's kind of all the above. They showed us three kind of main demos. One was playing a new version of Beat Saber made specifically for the glasses called Beat Saber Flux, where instead of like waving your controllers with the imaginary wands, you use your hands, which had these like, like energy balls attached them and a lightning bolt line that went between them. And you would manipulate that in response to like, these like poles and dots that would appear on the screen. I thought it was pretty fun.

• 18:43David Pierce?

  That feels a lot like supernatural VR kind of situation.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, like it was.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Very, very similar.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  It was pretty cool. Another demo we did was just very, the classic pitch with immersive glasses of you can watch a movie with a giant virtual display. And for me, it was pretty good. Actually, we watched a little bit of Avengers Endgame and a bit of the twist Meta is pitching is that around the display for certain films, they're going to add like, a computerized set that matches very similar to what you're seeing on screen. So like, the scene I saw was a scene from Avengers Endgame where I think they're on a spaceship. It's been years since I've seen the movie, I apologize. But around us on the display was like more of this, if, if you imagine this set

• 19:33Speaker 03

  completely extended beyond the screen, that's what it would be.

• 19:37David Pierce?

  Is that like on the fly generative AI or how are they doing this?

• 19:41Speaker 03

  The way we were told is that they're working with Disney and Industrial Light and Magic to work to make these and they'll be like handcrafted to be timed with each film. So like, as we were watching this five minute clip or whatever, the scene changed a couple of times in time with whatever was happening with the movie. So like, it's, it's kind of interesting, but.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  Gary's head came out of the frame.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  Uh huh, that was a.

• 20:06David Pierce?

  Okay.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  Big 3D moment that we saw as well. The other demo where I was looking at an Instagram page and they suggested putting in a comment.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  And instead of having to like hunt and peck type on a virtual keyboard in front of you, you put your hands flat on the table and a keyboard appeared with a trackpad, very similar to like a Mac keyboard and a Mac trackpad. And you just typed and for the most part, it worked really well. It's obviously not as fast as typing on a physical keyboard.

• 20:38David Pierce?

  Yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 03

  But way better than any sort of like immersive keyboard experience I've used before. And the trackpad was maybe even more impressive. I just like used my finger on the table like an imaginary trackpad and the mouse followed exactly where I expected it to go.

• 20:51David Pierce?

  Interesting.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:52David Pierce?

  That's quite cool.

• 20:52Speaker 04

  It was surprisingly good. I have nails on and it worked with my nails, which can't say the same for every keyboard. But I think if you're having trouble thinking about what this device is like, it's like, what if you had a Vision Pro?

• 21:07David Pierce?

  Right.

• 21:07Speaker 04

  But it didn't weigh a gajillion pounds on your head.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  And I actually forgot almost the most important part of the glasses is everything, all the compute and battery and storage and stuff in the glasses is in a puck. Like, like with the Vision Pro. It even has a belt clip like with the Meta logo on it. So they know that this is something you're gonna like put on your pocket or put in a desk.

• 21:30David Pierce?

  So the Vision Pro's M5 chip is in the actual glasses. Is this the processing in the puck or is it in the glasses as well? Okay, so the glasses probably won't heat up.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't think so. Yeah, I actually asked because when we were watching the movie, the movie clip, I heard a fan and I was trying to ask where's that fan coming from? And the fan was coming from the puck itself. And they cautioned like, oh, we haven't, you know, dialed in all the fan stuff or whatever. But as far as I know, there was not a fan inside the actual glasses itself.

• 22:05David Pierce?

  So would you say that this product sits a little bit in between like the Quest 3 and the Vision Pro? Because there definitely is a market opportunity for something that's more expensive than Quest 3, but not $3,200 or whatever Apple is charging for the Vision Pro these days.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  You almost feel like maybe this is what Apple should have done first is something like this. And, you know, I don't know if the technology was there in 2024 for Apple to do something like this. But it's just a form factor that I think makes a lot more sense. And it's just way less burdensome than the heavy bulky headset of it all. Instead of just a pair of glasses you can take on and off.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  You know, Jay and I were talking about it earlier. It's kind of interesting to see this kind of third band of like smart eyewear device that's coming out. That's not a headset. It's not what they're calling AI glasses right now. It's smooshing them together in the middle for both, but it's not quite AR glasses as we were sold them in the past. It's just, I think you're really seeing the technical limitations here because, you know, X Reels famously not having the display glasses situation. It's like Birdbath Optics. So, you know, you kind of have this weird third middle child. Nobody knows what to call it.

• 23:21David Pierce?

  Yeah, is there anything that they're calling it that Meta is calling these glasses?

• 23:25Speaker 04

  VR glasses.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  It's probably the way to go.

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• 25:09David Pierce?

  All right, let's get into a competing product now. The Snap Specs are finally out. They got announced months ago. They're now $2,195 more expensive than any of the products that Meta just announced last night. They have augmented reality displays in both lenses. They're huge, they bend your ears. Jay, you finally got some time with these glasses. Can you tell us about them?

• 25:29Speaker 03

  They are much different than the Meta VR glasses I just talked about. And that these are more like regular glasses that you wear, but they have a little bit of digital content constantly in front of your eyes. So a parallel is taking the Meta Ray-Ban display, which could show something in one lens, and put two in front. And that, you know, opens up all sorts of opportunities on how you can overlay digital content on top of the world. They're totally standalone products. Like you don't have to connect them to your phone or anything. Like they exist as computers entirely on your face. There's no charging puck. There's no compute puck. It's just all there.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  That's part of why it's so, they're so thick and so bulky because everything is on the glasses. I only got to wear them for like five minutes, 10 minutes at a time. So I don't know, like over the course of a full four hour charge, would they start to really like drag on your face, feel bad? I shook my head a few times, kind of like, uh, like kind of big shakes to see if they would slip. They didn't slip on my head. I don't think I'd go on a run with them, but you know. But the thing that caught me up about them is that the field of view, which I believe is like 51 degrees, it's not big enough for the stuff that you're looking at. So like you'll see digital content overlaid in front of you. Like I played a game of Domino's connected with somebody else wearing a pair of the Snap Specs.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  And we were both looking at the same digital, uh, Domino's board. I had like my hand, they had their hand and we were playing together. But like I would constantly not be able to see the board on the table when I looked at my hand of stuff or when I looked at the other person. And so the digital illusion, I kept losing it. And I thought that like kind of neutered the entire point of what is supposed to make this product interesting.

• 27:22David Pierce?

  Right. And that's an expensive product too at $2,200. Do you think that those have any legs? Are they gonna catch on? I mean, the avatars don't have legs, but do the glasses have legs?

• 27:32Speaker 03

  I, I don't think these are gonna catch on. They're so expensive and they just, they don't have a super clear, like what do you need them for outside of like this? I mean, as a piece of technology, they're very interesting. They're very cool, but like, I'm not gonna wear these anywhere in my regular day to day life that I can think of. And, and

• 27:55Speaker 04

  They violate the fundamental principle of wearable technology, which is they have to be comfortable and you have to want to wear them.

• 28:04David Pierce?

  Right. To put them on your face.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  I'll give them

• 28:07Speaker 04

  You have to put them on your face.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  I'll give them like a six on comfort based on my very limited testing and like a three on why would I want to wear them for anything? When my phone or my computer can do anything techie, much better than I think what is possible with these glasses. And these glasses also set up a very weird interaction of like, I could set up a YouTube video playing in the corner of my vision. But unlike something like the Vision Pro or Meta's VR glasses, these are like real glasses. You can like see my eyes through, right? Very clearly, but I could watch a video and nobody would have any idea I was watching a video. So it created this very strange and weird and icky social situation that I would rather not anybody worry about.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  And I would just like to use my own eyes or regular glasses to look at people.

• 28:54David Pierce?

  This plays a bit into my last question here, which is there's all these new glasses coming out. This is the most backlash we've seen on wearable technology in a really long time. It feels a little out of touch for these companies to keep racing forward, keeping releasing glasses like this. You know, Neelai often says that he'd be the most powerful politician in the world if he just knew everyone's name and face. But that would break down our social standards significantly. Do you think that these companies in general are going to have any luck with these glasses? Because I don't think really anyone is asking for more cameras on their face.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  The long story is short is that I've always been a skeptic of smart glasses, despite, you know, being the wearables lady testing all of them. There are times and use cases, specific enterprise or work-based use cases. And I think this is true for all AI wearables where it makes a whole lot of sense. But when you have a company with certain incentives for engagement, where they want you to be using it all the time so they can Hoover up all of your data, it starts to make a lot less sense and feels a lot more invasive in like the ways we do things and, and how we interact with each other to the point where I'm just like, ah, does anybody, is anybody asking for this? Is this a problem that needs fixing?

• 30:14Speaker 04

  And lots of people who I talk to say no, but the tech companies are very much like.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  This will replace your phone. And will it? Will it?

• 30:26David Pierce?

  Do we just think that everyone's looking for the next computing paradigm? You know, because Apple thinks that's folding phones now, but.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  Well, Apple also has kind of weighted a very singular toe into the AI wearable space. You know, they announced audio intelligence and we will be covering audio intelligence in more depth as time goes by because it's kind of a complicated thing to really nail this this new world of AI wearables where not only are you a steward of your own privacy, you start to have to think about how how are you going to be a steward of everyone else's privacy around you? And so I have a lot of thoughts. I'm trying to put them together in a way that is smart, which is harder than it looks

• 31:20Speaker 04

  because it's such a brave new world out there, but.

• 31:23David Pierce?

  We will be talking about this a lot more. Jade, do you have any final thoughts on these? What do you think about smart glasses?

• 31:28Speaker 03

  When I reviewed the Meta Ray-Ban Gen 2 last year, it was very obvious that they're super useful for like taking photos of my toddler like right away without having to take out my camera or listening to podcasts while walking around. Like that stuff is like super great. Utility is so obvious, but all the privacy concerns about having a camera on your face that is it's very hard to tell when somebody else is recording. And it's there's just so much else that's like so icky about it that I think way outweighs the what makes them so good. So it's it's really tricky in that they're interesting products, but I think it's all

• 32:12Speaker 03

  it's going to be almost impossible for these companies to overcome these privacy hurdles unless they make some kind of drastic change that I don't even know what that might be.

• 32:22David Pierce?

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