Zelensky’s Press Secretary Returns From Exile With a Message for the Tyrant

Under Zelensky, Ukraine has descended into darkness. His former press secretary faces treason charges for daring to criticize him. She joins us with a message for the tyrant. Paid partnerships with:Joi + Blokes: Use code TUCKER for 65% off your labs and 20% off all peptides and supplements at https://joiandblokes.com/tucker Ethos: Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/TUCKER American Financing: NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. Call 800-685-5696 or visit http://www. AmericanFinancing.net/Tucker. Battalion Metals: Shop fair-priced gold and silver at https://battalionmetals.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Tucker Carlson?

  So, thank you for coming back. And I just want to say I'm sorry. I knew there would be repercussions for your first interview that you did earlier this year with us. And apparently, they were. There were. Can you tell us what happened after that interview aired?

• 0:48Speaker 02

  Well, yes. Actually, thank you for giving me the platform first time and now, because right now Ukrainians are facing huge censorship everywhere, thanks to Volodymyr Zelensky. And our interview for me was a trouble. I know that after our interview, Zelensky ordered to have some kind of so-called linguistic expertise. And this is a corrupt practice that exists in the government of Ukraine that helps them prove something that they want to prove to execute their political persecution. So this linguistic expertise is still ongoing. However, I'm already under sanctions.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  If this linguistic expertise is finished, I'm gonna face the treason charges that in Ukraine, under martial law, can be from 15 years of prison to life sentence. So this is absolutely crazy. But let me explain why I am under sanctions. I was invited to have a speech in the European Parliament by the Alternative for Germany, AfD, one of the most, actually, popular party in Germany. And this was supposed to be a speech about the necessity of peace for Ukraine. We announced this speech, I think approximately September 10. And on the 10th of September,

• 2:13Speaker 02

  Zelensky introduced imposed sanctions on me. So what happened next was that when I arrived to the European Parliament on September 16, when my speech needed to take place, I was barred from entering the European Parliament. And we were told, they didn't know the reason, but that personally, Roberta Metzola, who is the head of the European Parliament, banned me from entering. They also tried to ban the video transmission. And they did not allow to translate my speech into German and French. Thanks to AfD, we managed somehow technically to have video transmission. And I even answered the questions.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  However, this shows a very huge problem. Because I had a lot of questions from Western journalists. Why Ukrainians don't speak about the necessity of peace? One journalist even told me that he had a feeling that no one in Ukraine, except for Julian Mandel, wanted peace. But I see this growing tendency. And I'm sitting here absolutely sure that majority of Ukrainians want peace as soon as possible, because I get enormous support from everywhere. But nobody sees that. And I thought that it was the problem, you know, Ukrainians didn't have enough people to talk, enough contacts, enough, you know, experience or skills to reach the bigger platforms.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  But it happens that there is just a censorship, a huge censorship. Nobody wants to listen to Ukrainians who call for peace. And this is, to be frank, this is so heartbreaking and so disappointing. Because Ukraine today is looking at European Union and the place of democracy, of freedom of speech. But in fact, it is very far from the reality. Yeah, so I'm under sanctions. What it means? It means that I cannot make any financial operations in Ukraine. No buying, selling properties, cars, nothing. My financial accounts are banned. My business accounts are canceled, banned.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  I cannot have any bank accounts today. But there is another thing that Zelensky introduced in the sanctions. My three accounts in social media. It is Facebook, Instagram, and X. And he requested that these accounts are banned from Ukrainian audience, from the people who live in Ukraine. And if it's possible, I would really love to appeal, to address today to the people who work in Matter Company and in X, not asking only for myself, but asking for all Ukrainians who are on systematic basis are banned from talking to the Ukrainians in Ukraine. This happens all the time. I know the bloggers

• 5:09Speaker 02

  who repeatedly restart their pages because they call for peace. And then the Ministry of Culture of Ukraine requests to ban their accounts from Ukrainians. And if it's possible, I just would like to underline that for Ukrainians today, social media is the only way, actually, to talk about peace. And if these accounts are banned, my accounts and accounts of other Ukrainians, then it actually disrupts any kind of communication. Because Ukrainians today discuss, what are the possibilities of peace? How we see it? What are the issues for post for Ukraine? What we can accept? This is the real matter.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  And I really would ask, you know, to be attentive to this. Because this is our way to show the world, to show journalists, to show politicians that there is this necessity to have peace.

• 6:07Tucker Carlson?

  It's such a remarkable story. I remember our interview very well. And in it, you spoke as a Ukrainian, as a Ukrainian nationalist, as someone who loves Ukraine, as someone who was very critical of Russia and Vladimir Putin. You spoke directly to Putin in the interview. And not in a friendly way. You said, "Please, stop." And so, nothing you said, nothing I've seen you say is pro-Russian or anti-Ukraine. You're simply against watching your entire population, male population, get killed. And so, I don't understand. How is that treason?

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, so this is a very corrupt practice in Ukraine that actually allows the politicians to persecute disloyal people. And Zelensky doesn't want anyone to talk about peace. Because, you know, J.D. Vance once wrote a remarkable essay in The New York Times, where he said that the math in Ukraine does not add up. And over two years have passed since that essay. And the math in Ukraine still doesn't add up. We lose people every day. We lose territories every day. Just for you the latest information that we got. The Prime Minister of Poland said that his Ukrainian colleagues told him that Ukraine loses killed and wounded

• 7:29Speaker 02

  27,000 of soldiers monthly in the frontline. Add to this only verified UN numbers of killed and wounded civilians, and it is around 3,000. So we get around 30,000 of Ukrainians, soldiers, and civilians, dead or wounded every month, right? It's a terrible number. And if you think about the number of population, in 35 years of independence, Ukraine has lost over half of its population, right? So, to be frank, the war of attrition with Russia is nothing but suicidal policy, suicidal war. So I never justified what Putin has done. And I call this the crimes against humanity.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  And I will reiterate. His cruelty is unimaginable. But it does not mean that what Zelensky is doing is good for Ukraine.

• 8:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  Because his policies are also suicidal, absolutely suicidal. So we counted the population in Ukraine. And right now, maximum, we have 4 million of men of conscription age. In Russia, there are 38, 42 million of men. So 10 times more. I mean, this is absolutely suicidal to continue this war. And let me say you that many people who support Ukraine, they think that if Ukraine continues this war, we will stay independent and preserve our sovereignty. But this is very much vice versa. Because we are following now Afghanistan paths. And if this war continues, we have many more chances to become a vassal state

• 9:05Speaker 02

  and actually to have enormous degradation of society, economy, and everything, than if we try to find realistic paths towards peace today. And then try to restore our economy, our democracy, have elections, you know, try to return our people. And maybe later, with time, if we have good diplomats at the table, maybe, you know, just maybe, we will be able to return the territories. But right now, we're choosing between the territories and people. And we are losing both. But most importantly, we lose our people. So this was what I told in the European Parliament. And after that... Roberta Matzola sent her chief of staff to the IFD.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  He tried to apologize to the organizer from IFD, Hans Niukov, and said that they were told that I'm gonna spread Russian propaganda. I'm a Ukrainian patriot. I'm having a lot of support from Ukrainians from every region today, writing, messaging, comments, everything. People wanted this to be out. And another point of this, before this speech was banned, I tried actually to reach the chief of staff of Roberta Matzola. I wanted to talk to him. I was eager to show him this speech, but they didn't want to listen to anything. They just banned it based on getting information from Ukraine.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  Some Ukrainians were writing that this is personally Volodymyr Zelensky, who asked Roberta Matzola to ban me from the speech. And now I'm facing a lot of attacks on social media. My accounts are being attacked, a lot of bots are there. They're even trying to ban my Telegram channel. So I guess that there is a huge attention from the office of the president. All his talking heads, we were talking about talking heads, they are attacking me. But there is this fight, at least there is this fight. And I need to tell you that our interview really opened a lot of things for Ukrainians. I got a lot of thanks. A lot of bloggers started talking more about what they see around,

• 11:17Speaker 02

  about the necessity to stop the war. I got a lot of thanks. They said, "Thank you, Julia, for your interview to Tucker Carlson. You opened our eyes." So I'm sitting here, understanding that you are one of a few platforms where Ukrainians can scream about the necessity of peace just to preserve ourselves, ourselves as a nation, as a country, as an independent state.

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• 14:35Tucker Carlson?

  How many Ukrainians do you believe have been killed or wounded since this war began?

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Well, I think there's hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands. And don't forget about millions of families that have been destroyed because they've turned into refugees, or they lost someone, or there are people with lost limbs. And something also very disgusting happened on that day. So Ursula von der Leyen, the head of European Commission, at the same day, she decided to have a speech in the European Parliament too. And she invited a Ukrainian girl, 10-year-old girl, who lost her limb due to Russian shelling. She's a dancer, and she continues dancing. And Ursula von der Leyen showed this girl and made PR on her.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  And with this girl, she justified the necessity to continue the war. In Ukraine, it caused a lot of outrage. Because I look at this girl, and this is the difference of perspective. I look at her and I beg to stop this war, that Ukrainian children don't lose their limbs, eyes. My parents are doctors at frontline regions, and the stories that they tell about children that they get in the hospitals, they are terrified. Like a wound in the head, or a lost hand, or for instance, a 23-days-old girl that was killed due to Russian shelling. And again, I'm not minimizing Russia's guilt.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  The thing is that if we want to preserve Ukraine, Ukrainian nation, we need to think about realistic ways of how to stop this war. But what I see Zelensky is doing, he keeps changing the conditions for the peace. And he also introduces so maximally unachievable ways for the peace that I don't believe that he wants to get it at all.

• 16:30Tucker Carlson?

  That's... There have been calls from some in the neoconservative foreign policy community here in the United States and in Europe to start drafting women, because so many Ukrainian men have been killed. Draft Ukrainian women and send them into the meat grinder. Is that a popular idea in Ukraine, do you think?

• 16:52Speaker 02

  It's not a popular idea to fight at all, neither for men nor for women. It caused a lot of hatred, a lot of outrage, and to be frank, a lot of desire to leave the country. I will just remind you that after our interview, I cannot return to Ukraine because there is a huge attention to that question. However,

• 17:16Speaker 02

  I believe that if they move with further mobilization of women and lowering the conscription age, there could be really a revolution. And Ukrainians are at the verge. Let me just describe you a few facts about how the forced mobilization is happening. So by Ombudsman data, only 2%, 3% of men who have been forcefully conscripted to the frontline actually get to the fight. All others pay bribes. We counted, and the conservative only count of the bribes that exist in the sector of forced mobilization to avoid frontline can reach up to $5 billion annually. This is enormous corruption.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  And this is so enormous corruption that we understand that it is covered from the top. It cannot just exist on the middle or low level. Another thing that was discovered after our interview was that actually in conscription offices, there are torture, beating. Some men die. And this is so inhuman. Actually, on the streets of Ukraine today, women defend men. There is fighting sometimes. Sometimes men need to use their weapons against the state that tries to drag them to the frontline or demand bribes. And there is a huge opposition towards both the war and Zelensky's government.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  It is so terrible. So many men, they even do not get out of their house for weeks, months, and some men sit in their houses for years just to not to be grabbed on the street, not to be beaten, not to be tortured, and not to be sent to the frontline. I cannot imagine, this is my country. This is so painful. I cannot imagine how anyone could say this is Russian propaganda. This is everywhere. Every Ukrainian is standing against it. And I'm here to beg you to understand that only finishing this war can preserve Ukraine as a nation and a state.

• 19:23Tucker Carlson?

  We have been told in the West that democracy, Ukraine, is fighting tyranny, Russia. But there are no elections for president in Ukraine. How do you think if Zelensky were to allow an election, if he were to stand for election, let voters decide whether to keep him in office, would he win that election?

• 19:44Speaker 02

  You know, I will tell you the inside that today was out, but I knew this earlier. In July or June, Zelensky was thinking about conducting elections, but he actually didn't want to have free elections. He wanted to have them manufactured. So he invited the former commander in chief and his chief of staff, who enjoy some kind of rating today in Ukraine, and asked them not to run for presidency, but to support him as the only candidate for the potential alliance. And at least one of them refused. And under any circumstances, it doesn't matter how corrupt the elections in Ukraine today are, Zelensky doesn't have chances to win them.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  So he understood that he will lose elections. And now we hear the public statements that we cannot just conduct the elections. We have a lot of people out of the country. Then the next reason, we have soldiers who cannot vote in frontline. Then the next reason, we have a lot of shelling, so we cannot organize elections. So he will be coming up with any kind of reason to explain to the public why elections are not possible. But I will remind to your audience that up for today, he is staying in power for seven and a half years. And for him, finishing this war is a suicidal policy, because this is a political suicide. He's not going to stay in power.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  This war gives him money, gives him power, and gives him red carpets and the fame that he enjoys.

• 21:16Tucker Carlson?

  Why doesn't the United States, which is making this war possible through the targeting information it gives the Ukrainian military from our intelligence agencies, why doesn't the Trump administration force Zelensky to leave? He's not an elected leader. He's eliminated civil liberties, freedoms in Ukraine. Why not just tell him to leave and have an election? Russia had wartime elections. You can have wartime elections. It happens all the time. Why don't they do that?

• 21:43Speaker 02

  I cannot answer for President Trump, but maybe he doesn't want to meddle in the politics of another country, you know? The problem is that since the last time we talked, President Zelensky changed the strategy. And he convinced the Western partners to have escalation. And this escalation has worsened situation in Ukraine enormously. So for us, for Ukrainians, it was really very weird to read the American news for the first half of summer, where American media outlets were saying that Ukraine is winning the war, because we never have been even close to winning the war.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  We were suffering. And in July, we had the record of civilian deaths and wounded people since May 2022. Actually, what happened, Russia started destroying our warehouses. We have over 90% of warehouses destroyed with all the everyday needs that, you know, Ukrainians, as ordinary people, use, including food, including, you know, clothes, including gadgets and many other things. We have destroyed gas stations. We have enormous ruins in energy infrastructure, et cetera, et cetera. So what Ukrainians are expecting is actually humanitarian catastrophe in winter, and many are leaving today. So the West should expect more refugees.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  And to be frank, it is very inhuman to not accept them, because I don't know how people will be surviving without heat, without light, without food, you know, in the country under shelling, without autocratic ruling, where people can be grabbed on the streets and sent to the front.

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• 24:54Tucker Carlson?

  Good. Why do you think so many European leaders want to join the war? Merz in Germany, Bernim in Great Britain, Macron in France, they all have said, you know, we're going to join this war with Ukraine. Why?

• 25:13Speaker 02

  That's such an interesting question. So many people are asking me that, and I would really encourage my Western media colleagues, journalists, to investigate deeper what's happening there behind, you know, media publicity with all this drones production, right? But just for your audience to explain how the distribution of aid for Ukraine works. So for instance, if we are promised 45 billion of euro per year, like 30, for instance, 30 billion of this money goes to drone production or weapons production. And majority of this money doesn't go to Ukraine. It goes to the countries who actually distribute the money. So like Ryan Mittel, for instance, or French producers.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  So these weapons producers really enjoy enormous amounts of money. And to be frank, as a PR person, I was following this enormous PR happening in media. And I think that if we follow the money, we can explain a lot of things happening. Like for instance, just before NATO summit in Ankara in July, there were all these messages that Ukraine was winning the war. And then Mark Rutte announced 140 billion euro of aid. And in a week, we didn't get any more messages about Ukraine winning. And in two weeks, we started getting messages that Ukraine is losing, Ukraine doesn't have interceptors, we are having humanitarian catastrophe approaching, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Then at the end of summer, we started reading a lot of news about starting of World War III, about Russia trying to attack NATO countries, though a lot of NATO officials were saying that they don't see any kind of preparation for this. And again, I don't want anyhow to flatter Russia or to justify what it is doing, but it is very strange to hear that the country that cannot cope with Ukraine, that is not in NATO, not in EU, and doesn't have even its own economy, would want to attack NATO countries. So then we understood that at the same time, when there are these media headlines, media

• 27:20Speaker 02

  headlines, there is a discussion of the next seven-year budget from 2028 to 2034. And of course, the defense budgets there are very tasty. So perhaps European Union just wants to preserve those defense budgets. And to preserve them, they need to justify in the media and today people why their defense budgets are so huge. So they say about the World War III, you know, they escalate the rhetoric. I'm just afraid where it will lead of us, because when I see the taste of Europeans towards the war, I don't believe that Europeans want to fight.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  And actually, the rating of Mr. Mers, for instance, recordly low, 10%, and getting lower and lower, tells about that. And then we have the FDP party that promotes peace, and they break the record of popularity, because people don't want war. People want their leaders to talk to Russia. People want their leaders to guarantee that there will be no war. And as a Ukrainian, I will tell you that many Westerners, ordinary people, they look at this war as Hollywood movie. And it is not. It is a disaster. It is a degradation of morality, of humanity. It is death. It is the worst thing that could happen to you.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  I'll remind you the story, how one American professor advised an American student to go to the frontline in Ukraine. The guy went there. He was shocked from the reality. He pledged to get him out. And the professor just said, "Everyone of us makes history in their own place." What is that? I mean, how many professors there in America actually, you know, try to send your students to the war? Don't do that. Help us stop the war. Yeah.

• 29:14Tucker Carlson?

  Well, how many professors in the United States are serving on the front lines of the Ukraine war? How many neoconservative think tank employees are doing that? Is Zelensky volunteering to go fight his own war? Of course not. None of the people pushing this war are putting their own lives at risk. They're destroying an entire population for money, popularity, power, but none of them are willing to die for it. Other people die for it.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  If I may add, when Zelensky was not the president, he was invited to join the frontline in Donbass for four times. And he did not do that. He declined. He avoided conscription. And now he is grabbing men on the street and sending them forcefully to the frontline.

• 29:56Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, Zelensky himself avoided conscription?

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Four times, yes. This is public information in Ukraine. So he's very far from Churchill that he is compared to. And there is another story. You know, I come from mainstream media. I respect my colleagues who work there. But I had this very strange experience when I wanted to publish an article about peace. And I sent it to a very famous American media. And they declined, of course, without any explanation. I didn't have any attack on Zelensky there. You may still read it online. You know, there was nothing political. There was just a Gallup poll that was saying that majority of Ukrainians want in peace. And there were argumentations why we needed to have either ceasefire or peace because we were we were just declining, degrading as a nation.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  So I was declined to publish that piece. And in some time, I saw how the same media published a London professor who actually was justifying this war because he was saying how Russia is suffering without mentioning how Ukraine was suffering, how much we were losing, you know, how many people we were losing. So I just Googled if this professor has ever been to Russia or to Ukraine. And I was shocked to know that, no, he has never been to any of these countries. He just gets his information from social media. And that's how he has, you know, some kind of imagination in his head of what's going on. And he produces this to your people.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  And so your people believe that this war has any kind of justification. What I understood after Zelensky convinced Western partners to have escalation of this war is that in the West, many more people want Russia burned than Ukraine to be saved.

• 31:41Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  And this is a terrible realization, to be frank. Because my country is dying in front of you and you keep applauding one man on red carpet who sells you, I'm sorry to say, total nonsense, total bullshit. So I'm here to back from Ukrainians. Please don't contribute to escalation of this war. Please do everything to stop it because we will disappear from the map.

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  Well, and as far as I understand, under Zelensky, the Ukrainian legislative body made it legal for foreigners to buy Ukrainian farmland, is now legal. And Zelensky has announced that Ukraine will be importing foreigners because they don't have enough manpower to run an economy. And so it's possible in 10 years, there will be no Ukraine. Its land will be owned by foreigners and its population will be foreign. So nation gone.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  So even if we don't, you know, mention these facts, there are, there is the math that just doesn't work. Like if we have around a little bit more than 20 million of people staying in the country, down from 52 million in 1991, around 12 million of these people are pensioners and people with disabilities. If you count down children, then, you know, we almost do not have any workforce and people obviously are leaving. We lost from 600 to 800,000 of people, only officially, only officially. Last year, we had three times more deaths than births.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  This year, in the first half of this year, we had four times more deaths than births. The demography is just catastrophic. And I'm absolutely sure that every American who is a patriot to his own country, if he or she would be in this condition and see your own country in this condition, you would never agree to this. You would never agree to this. You would be also calling for peace to preserve American nation. This is very patriotic to call for peace. It's not Russian propaganda. Peace cannot be pro-Russian. I want this to be heard. Peace cannot be pro-Russian.

• 36:54Tucker Carlson?

  Do you believe that Zelensky and his family have gotten richer during this war?

• 37:03Speaker 02

  So let's just stick to facts, right? There is a company which is called Firepoint. And if you just Google, you will find that Kiev Independent, it's a Ukrainian media outlet, figured out that there is a Volodymyr Zelensky's long-term partner, business partner staying behind this company. And after our interview, there were wiretaps that were published, unfortunately, only in Ukraine. And on these wiretaps produced by anti-corruption bodies, there were dialogues between the Minister of Defense appointed by Zelensky and then the partner of President Zelensky, talking

• 37:48Speaker 02

  about billions of euros that were going to Firepoint. Ukraine today is drowning in corruption. Corruption scandals about millions, millions, tens of millions of dollars are sounding every day. And there are businesses that are created just for money laundering, like for instance, call centers businesses or gambling businesses where hundreds of millions of dollars can be money laundered monthly. So I don't know if Zelensky is benefiting or, you know, he pretends not to know or he does not know. What is worse than that, right?

• 38:27Speaker 02

  But I guess, you know, we will need to learn a lot about his bank accounts post-war. And I need to remind to Americans that almost every person near Zelensky is accused in corruption. For instance, his chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, former chief of staff, is accused in 10 million of dollars money laundering. For this money, he was building four luxury mansions in Kiev region. These mansions belong to three people who are very close to the Zelensky family. And the last mansion belongs to a person named Vova. Vova is diminutive form of Volodymyr.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  And in the country, there is a big question, who is Vova who was building a luxury mansion in Kiev region? And obviously, for majority of the people, the answer is it's Volodymyr Zelensky's cottage. The other thing which is very disgusting, what we've learned, is that he was building those mansions before the war. Then, when the large-scale invasion started, he stopped. And they restored building the houses in March 2022. So while Ukrainians were just sitting under Russian missiles and dying and not knowing what to do next, losing their houses, losing their hope, running away, Zelensky and his friends restarted building luxury mansions in the Kiev region.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  For me personally, it tells a lot about a person.

• 39:58Speaker 00

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• 40:29Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, it's, it's beyond belief to, to do something like that during a war in which your entire nation is being destroyed. Suggests he doesn't care about the nation. Do you think that Zelensky does care about Ukraine? And if he does, why is he continuing this?

• 40:48Speaker 02

  I feel like he stands only for his own personal interests. Recently, I was talking to one person who has known him for tens of years. He is very close. And the guy said that he recognizes that Zelensky preserves himself, sacrificing thousands of lives of Ukrainians. That's why the hatred towards Zelensky is so huge in the country. People don't accept what he is doing. They don't accept the escalation. And that is why it's so important that the voices from Ukraine sound on the platforms like yours or like the European Parliament. And so this is, you know, this is really heartbreaking that we are banned, that nobody hears Ukrainians want peace.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  And this is the majority. Up to now, the latest Gallup poll said that 66% of Ukrainians want peace as soon as possible. Every next peace deal for Ukraine is worse and worse because we'll lose more territories. It's more difficult to get more territories back, and we'll lose more people. And we're not gonna, you know, return those people. Our economy is in enormously bad shape because European Union gives us loan after loan. We have our debt, external debt, already equal to 110% of GDP. And here is another bad mess. Russia has not even borrowed for this war.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  So like, how are we expecting military victory from the country that doesn't have enough people, doesn't have economy, that is losing democracy, that is a cage? And against, you know, Russia, who has resources, who still continues trade with the EU, and, and, and who has so much more to win this war of attrition?

• 42:43Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  And, you know, we had, we had a singer, a very famous singer in Ukraine, just giving the interview. And she said that Ukraine looks for her like a concentration camp. And so many people supported her. She's got enormous support. But after that, she also got some call from political circles, and she needed just to apologize and say that she did not mean that. So everything that is being said against policies in Ukraine are critical to Volodymyr Zelensky, is announced to be a Russian propaganda, the same way as my speech was in the European Parliament. And we're just banned to have this freedom of expression,

• 43:28Speaker 02

  freedom of speech, criticize, disagree, anything. And everything that Ukrainian, good Ukrainian patriot can do is just die for his own country. That's, that's what Zelensky suggests us to do.

• 43:40Tucker Carlson?

  How do you think Zelensky thinks this will end?

• 43:46Speaker 02

  I don't think that he is thinking about ending this war because in the same months he understood that elections are not possible. Mr. Yermak, who is still advising to Volodymyr Zelensky and meeting him at home, said that it's better just to continue the war for the next two years because Zelensky and Yermak and his government are sure that they have got allocated aid, military aid for the next two years. It is a disastrous type of thinking because unfortunately, they are very bad at math again. Because even in August and September, there is this call that Ukraine lacks of $27 billion for this year.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  So he wants to take the money from the next year, you know, and this is what he has done from the previous year. So Ukraine just doesn't produce any added value. Our metallurgy experts have been warmed out. Our agriculture is bombed out and severely restricted from the European Union quarters and many other, you know, for many other reasons. And these are, metallurgy and agriculture were our two major exports issues. So today, we just don't produce any added value, any innovation, any science, except of military drones. There is the huge militarization of society, radicalization of society.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  And what I see is not the Ukraine that I was proud of. It's just Ukraine that is degrading every day. So, yeah, my, my point is that anything, you know, anything that can be done today to stop this war and to restore, you know, everything, politics, you know, elections, the country, demography, economy, democracy, it needs to be done today. And there is no better condition for the peace than now because Zelensky promises you better conditions, and, but it will never happen. There is no better conditions for peace than now.

• 45:56Tucker Carlson?

  My last question is, if it's clear that Ukraine can't win because the numbers don't add up, as you said, and that's been obvious since the very first day, why is Zelensky accelerating the attacks on Russian targets within Russia? Russian energy infrastructure, refineries, civilians? What is his thinking? Why would he do that?

• 46:21Speaker 02

  But this is how he gets money, right? He sends the firepoint. Russia burns. He gets money for videos and photos of burning Russia. People are unprotected. 93% of our shelters cannot defend anyone. We don't have closed skies. The only thing that authorities today tell people on the frontline regions, leave. They don't offer any kind of financial aid. They don't offer any shelter, any houses, nothing. What they offer is leave. Ukrainians are surviving by themselves. The money that Western people are sending, the Western taxes, they don't help Ukrainians today. That's the point. What they help is to produce more weapons.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  Firepoint is the major one that Zelensky is advertising, but there are some other companies, you know. And so this is just business. And this is the business and the blood. And this is awful and disgusting. That's why I'm here, Tucker. And thank you for giving me this platform.

• 47:22Tucker Carlson?

  It's one of the worst, the worst stories I've ever heard. And you are a brave woman for telling it. And you have the firsthand knowledge. So I'm grateful. And I hope that many people see this. And I, and I wish you safety. So thank you.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Thank you very much. Thank you, Tucker. Good luck to you, too.

• 47:37Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you.