Whistleblower: Americans Are Being Murdered While Trump Does Nothing and the Media Cover-up Grows

Religious extremists funded with US tax dollars are free to murder Americans in Israel’s occupied territories, and the administration does nothing. Here’s the father of one young victim of Israeli terrorism. Kamel Musallet is a Palestinian-American small business owner from Tampa, FL, and the father of Sayf Musallet, who was killed by Israeli settlers on July 11, 2025. Stephen Herreid is a writer and editor who has served CatholicVote since 2017. A poet and songwriter, his non-political work can be found on Substack. Paid partnerships with: Dose: Daily supplements for the systems that support you. Use code TUCKER for 35% at https://dosedaily.co/tucker Brooklyn Bedding: Get 30% off sitewide with promo code TUCKER at https://brooklynbedding.com American Financing: NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-685-5696 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www. AmericanFinancing.net/Tucker. TCN: Get your copy of ‘Able Danger' only on https://TuckerCarlsonBooks.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  The most shocking part of the story of the USS Liberty, the American ship bombed by the Israeli government back during the Six-Day War in 1967, is not simply the facts of the case. 34 Americans murdered by the Israelis, 171 wounded, bombed, strafed with machine gun fire, et cetera. That's a tragedy, and it's shocking. But the most shocking part of the story is that the US government, beginning with the then-President Lyndon Johnson, covered it up. Prevented the survivors from talking about it, prevented the public from knowing that it even happened. That's ongoing, by the way. American officials still refuse to talk about what happened to the USS Liberty, by and large, with some exceptions. So that's the part of the story

• 1:14Speaker 01

  that really makes you wonder what is going on here. It's one thing for a foreign country, foreign government, to murder your citizens. That does happen. But the idea that your own government would take the side of the foreign nation as it murders your people, the people your government is in charge of caring for, that is really stunning. And you have to ask, why? Well, in some cases, of course, just a product of evil intent. There are bad people in positions of power. But for the most part, it's not active evil. It's passive evil. It's the result of moral cowardice. It's more painful to take the side of your own people than it is the side of a foreign government. Therefore, you take the side of a foreign government. That's just the truth about the way most people are,

• 1:59Speaker 01

  unfortunately. So as you think about that, you think about the depth of the betrayal involved in the aftermath of the USS Liberty murders. You think, well, that couldn't possibly happen now. Well, in fact, it is happening now, right now. More than a dozen American citizens have been murdered in pogroms in the occupied territories that Israel controls, the West Bank. And they've been murdered by Israelis, mostly Israeli settlers, the ones conducting these pogroms, armed by the US government, carrying American rifles. And if you think the term pogrom is too strong, you don't know the details of what's happening there.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Israeli settlers, many of them American citizens, carrying American weapons, murdering the local population, Palestinians, some of whom, more than a dozen of whom have been American, and by the way, who are prohibited from defending themselves. They cannot carry weapons, of course. Palestinians can't carry weapons on their own land. But Israeli settlers who seek to steal that land can. So this is, these pogroms have been ongoing, of course. But most Americans have no idea that American citizens have been murdered during the course of them. And they have no idea because the media, by and large, don't report it. And American officials have no interest in talking about it. So we want to bring you

• 3:28Speaker 01

  a very specific story of a young American man, and by American, we mean literally American, born in the United States, worked at his family's ice cream shop in Tampa, who was murdered last summer, in July of 2025, in the West Bank. He was murdered attempting to go to land that his family owns, has a deed to, not owns in some conceptual sense, but literally owns. And he was killed by settlers, none of whom have ever been punished for that crime. And under normal circumstances, we would give a long monologue about why this is bad. Of course, it's self-evidently bad and what it means. But we've just conducted two of the most extraordinary interviews we've done in a long time,

• 4:12Speaker 01

  one with the father of the boy who was murdered, and another with an American journalist who works for a Christian, a Catholic publication, who was effectively prevented from talking about this entire topic, who was censored on behalf of the Israeli government in the United States. So these two interviews answer at least two questions. The first is, what is happening? You may not know the details, with your money in your name to your fellow citizens in a foreign land? And the second is, why haven't you heard about this? Why is there effectively a media blackout on the details? Not a total media blackout. In fact, we're about to play you a clip from CNN, which, to their credit, they did,

• 4:55Speaker 01

  about the murder last summer of the boy from Florida. But by and large, the American media do not report on the details of these crimes, of these pogroms. Why is that? And the second interview, with the editor, former editor from this Catholic publication, gives you a sense of just how the news coverage is shut down at the level of the news organization, what the censorship looks like within the newsroom. And so we want to frame the first interview we're about to bring you with that clip we just mentioned from CNN, which has video in it that you may not have seen. But this is something worth watching. So what you're about to see is video of the father, accompanied by a news crew,

• 5:40Speaker 01

  attempting to go to the place where his son was beaten to death during these pogroms. Watch.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Kamel Musallet hasn't been able to reach this land in over a year. This is the hillside where his son, Saif, an American citizen, was killed.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  It's like it's down here, if you want to walk.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  Beaten to death by Israeli settlers exactly one year ago. Since then, settlers have illegally occupied the area, preventing this father from getting the closure he so desperately seeks.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  We have to keep an eye, because usually they'll come down that way.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  But this solemn, sacred moment won't last. Within seconds, we spot a car speeding towards us. We start to leave, but as we drive away, we see that four settlers have set up a roadblock. Armed with clubs and rocks, they try and block our way, first with their bodies, and then...

• 6:35Speaker 03

  And now it looks like he's trying to slash our tires. He's trying to slash our tires.

• 6:38Speaker 05

  Oh, he's got a knife. He's going for tires.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  A group of independent journalists and activists are in the car behind us.

• 6:44Speaker 05

  Move, move, bitch!

• 6:47Speaker 02

  But their vehicle isn't armored. But the settlers aren't done. More arrive, blocking another road before chasing us and attacking us again.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  No, they're trying to stop our car again. They're hitting us.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  We finally make it back to safety, where I get on the phone with the Israeli military, which is responsible for security in this area. But settlers have also called the military. And these soldiers are only interested in harassing us, refusing to take action against the settlers.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  That man, as you just saw, is called Kamel Musallet. He runs an ice cream shop and a smash burger store in Tampa, Florida. And we're about to bring you our interview with him. And we're not going to say a lot more because nothing we could say would be half as affecting or informative as about, as what you're about to hear him say. But we just add one thing. You will hear him describe his efforts to get the attention of his own US senator, Rick Scott of Florida. Now, keep in mind, Kamel Musallet is from Florida. He grew up in Clueston, Florida, right near Lake Okeechobee. He's not some foreigner. He's an American, an American citizen, and has always been. His family, his parents, were American citizens. And of course, his son, now gone,

• 8:08Speaker 01

  was an American citizen, too. Rick Scott is the Republican senator who represents him. And yet, Rick Scott has refused to meet with him. Rick Scott is always welcome on this show to explain why. Consider this an official invitation to Senator Scott. But keep in mind, as you listen to this, that his representative in the United States Senate, Rick Scott, has refused to meet with him or do anything to affect justice in this case. The killers of his son remain unpunished. So with that, here's our interview with Kamel Musallet. Kamel Musallet, thank you so much for joining us. So I'm hoping you'll tell us the story of your son. And I just want to be clear for people watching that he was an American,

• 8:52Speaker 01

  not simply a green card holder or even a citizen, but a birthright American born in Florida, fully American. And he was murdered in the occupied territories by settlers. So tell us who he was and what happened, if you would.

• 9:08Speaker 04

  Saifullah Musallet, my son. My name is Kamel Musallet. Saifullah Musallet was born in Port Charlotte, Florida. He was working at an ice cream shop in Tampa, Florida. And me and him, you know, built it together. And we opened it up. And he was, he was serving ice cream to kids. You know, that was, that was his job description. Saifullah, in the summer of 2025, July, he was in West Bank, Palestine. He wanted to visit his family. He wanted to visit. My wife was there at that, at that time. And his siblings were there.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  And honestly, he wanted actually to, hopefully, find a potential wife. You know, he wanted to get engaged. And he said, maybe I can find my spouse there. And so I told him, you know, I was debating because business was booming, and the ice cream shop was doing well. And, but he convinced me that, let me go there for now. I told him, okay, but what we'll do is that we'll kind of switch places. You know, I'll go take care of the ice cream shop while you go there. We spent some time together there together. We spent our holiday there. And we attended my nephew's wedding, which is his cousin. And...

• 10:39Speaker 04

  I came back to the States. I left him there.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  So Israeli settlers, since April of 2025, they've been basically trying to steal more land, you know, the land theft that they're doing and the land theft that they're getting away with. And since April, they've been coming to our town. It's basically across from our village, across from our village, meaning these are two big, like mountains or hills, or one of them has the homes and schools and so forth. And then the other one is kind of like open field, but it's part of our village. Tucker, as you might have heard before, our village consists of 80% American citizens.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Yes, Al Mazar Asharqiyah and most of Ramallah area. So like my father is the one that came to the States. My grandfather came to the States in 1895 on a boat and lived in New York. My father came in the 60s. So, you know, I'm second generation. I've been here for years and I grew up in Cluston, Florida, a small town by Okeechobee.

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  I know it. Yeah.

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  I went to Friday night football games, you know, that's who we are.

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  So, you know, we are Americans, you know. My son was born in the States. My older brothers were born in the States and so forth. So our village, just like my father, most of the older generations, they moved to the States. So 80% of our village, it consists of 20,000 people, only 4,000 live there, and 15,000 live abroad, either in the States or South America, and most of them are American citizens. So most of these American citizens own these lands. I own a piece of land in this land, in this mountain. And the Israeli settlers have been going there since April 2025 and preventing us from getting into our lands.

• 16:05Speaker 04

  And as you know, Tucker, there's Area A, B, and C. Believe it or not, this land where these settlers are at right now, this moment, as we speak, I can't get to my land. It's Area A and Area B. It's not this Area C disputed Oslo agreement and saying that it's under Israeli authority. No, this is under Palestinian Authority. But Palestinian Authority doesn't even go there. We don't go there. So they were trying to get to their lands since April. And week after week, they were attacked and attacked and attacked. And it just, you know, it doesn't make sense that we can't get to our lands

• 16:46Speaker 04

  because of five or six or seven of these Israeli settlers attacking us, you know. They're armed with M16s. They're armed with sticks, with rocks and so forth. And every time someone would try to go there, they would get hurt or attacked. And ever since, but it's our right to be in our land. You know, this is land that is owned by us. This is land owned by American citizens, Tucker. This is like, there's many Americans all over the world that buy lands and own land in many foreign countries.

• 17:24Speaker 04

  So that July 11th, just like every other week, many people were trying to get into their lands, and they were prevented by these Israeli settlers. Saifullah was one of the people that was trying to get to his land. You know, I have land there that, about an acre land there in Area A. And there wasn't many settlers, or they didn't see many settlers. It seemed that they had an ambush ready for them. When they got there, maybe 50 settlers, a mob of them,

• 18:06Speaker 04

  ambushed Saifullah, ambushed his friend Muhammad al-Shadibi, attacked many other people. That day, his friend Muhammad al-Shadibi was shot in the back, a close friend of him,

• 18:23Speaker 04

  a Palestinian, but his name is not known as much because he's not an American, you know.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  Saifullah was beaten to death that day. And what happened was that the ambulance, a first ambulance was trying to reach him.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  And on the way there, it was attacked by stones and had to go back. My other son, Muhammad, when he heard about this news, and I'm in the States, Tucker, right now, at this moment.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Sorry, Tucker.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  No, it's all right.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  It's hard to imagine.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's my oldest son, you know, it's like.

• 19:19Speaker 04

  So I get these messages that are saying that Saifallah is in this mountain and Saifallah has been hurt. Nobody's giving me direct messages. Nobody's telling me exactly what's happening.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  And I understand that, you know, no, nobody wants to tell the father what's going on. My younger son, Mohammed, he heard what happened. He crossed this mountain and he just, you know, I guess the adrenaline pumped into him. And he wasn't afraid that there was Israeli settlers there. He wasn't afraid that the Israeli army, remember Tucker, Israeli army, their presence was there at that moment. And that's why we couldn't get another ambulance. And after the first ambulance went back,

• 20:08Speaker 04

  they had to get a permit for another ambulance to enter to get to Saifallah. And it took two and a half hours until they finally got the permit to reach Saifallah. But my son, when he heard this, he went there, he crossed this mountain. And he told me there were settlers on top, but, you know,

• 20:32Speaker 04

  they didn't see him. The Israeli soldiers didn't see him. He got to his brother. He reached to his brother and I was calling and calling and calling. And when I, when I, Saifallah's phone and someone answered. I was kind of relieved at that moment, but, you know, it wasn't safe because Saifallah's face was blue. He had a hard time breathing, you know, his body just couldn't take it. And what's sad is my other son was told me that he, he was still breathing and waiting for some sort of help. He was unconscious with his eyes open.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  And when I, when I called him later on, you know, my son told him, my son told me that he didn't look good from the, you know, that he needed some sort of medical attention, medical help. And when he finally, when they finally approved for this ambulance to get to him after two and a half hours, they put him on the stretcher. And five minutes before he got into the ambulance, my son told me that he took his last breath.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 21:48Speaker 04

  So it was just that matter, just that time, you know, like if they allowed the ambulance, if, if, if the first ambulance got into him, you know, he would be with us right now at this moment. I would not be having this interview with you at this moment, you know, I would be with my son. We would be in, in, in ice cream shop working together. The first one didn't make it. Why not allow the second one to get there sooner? Like, they should have been the ones knowing that Israeli illegal Israeli settlers being in land that that's not theirs, under Oslo agreement, under international law, under Israeli law. You know, there's these big signs up there.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  I don't know if you've seen pictures of them, that it is illegal for an Israeli to be in Area A. There's these big red signs. So it's under Israeli law, it's illegal for them to be there. They attacked my son, they attacked many other people. Why are they not even sending ambulances to get help, you know, to help these, these people that have been hurt? And he took his last breath at that moment. And ever since then, you know, there's been no accountability, there's been no justice. There's only been more settlers going there till this day, over a year. And settlers are still in those areas.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  Every time we try to go there, we get attacked. And just on the one year anniversary, I don't know if you've seen the CNN report that I did with Jeremy Diamond.

• 23:31Speaker 04

  I agreed with CNN that I would, you know, do a follow up with them. But like I had a condition that I needed to be safe. They provided me an armored car. And they provided me bulletproof vests.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  So think about it, to try to get to my own land, the only way that I can feel safe is if I'm in an armored car. And this is one year later since that, that, that, you know, my son was murdered. And we all know, you know, what did Mike Huckabee say? When he learned about Saifallah's murder? You know, he called it a criminal and terrorist act. Criminal and terrorist act.

• 24:22Speaker 04

  What did the director of the FBI say? I was listening to him not long ago and, and this thing popped up. He said, this is his exact words. If you kill an American citizen in an act of terrorism, we will hunt you down. We will bring you to justice and you will, you will face justice here in America.

• 24:48Speaker 04

  And Mike Huckabee called it a criminal and terrorist act.

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• 26:38Speaker 04

  So like, why is my son different than any other American?

• 26:44Speaker 04

  If it was any other place in the world, Tucker, that a mob,

• 26:55Speaker 04

  a mob, you know, beats an American citizen to death

• 27:02Speaker 04

  in a foreign country, what would be the outcry of it? Would they not send

• 27:09Speaker 04

  authorities from the US to investigate it?

• 27:14Speaker 04

  Why is my son different in this, in this situation? Like, it just doesn't make sense, you know, like, I didn't get a call from Rick Scott. I didn't get a call from DeSantis. I tried to set up meetings with them when I went to DC.

• 27:34Speaker 04

  But don't get me wrong, there's many senators out there that are so

• 27:39Speaker 04

  sincere and, and, and, you know, Van Hollen is one of them. And him and 27 or 28 other senators signed a letter demanding an investigation, an independent investigation led by the US. And till this day, you know, nothing. You know, I'm, I'm, I try to get some answers from the Israeli authority and they haven't sent, you know, they, they, they gave me no update.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  You know, so that day when I went with Jeremy,

• 28:16Speaker 04

  one year later, you know, I wanted to go to the place where my son was killed. I wanted to, maybe would give some closure, you know. I wanted to see this tree that he was under. Because they put, he was, he was under a tree, his friends put him under a tree where there was shade. It was hot that day. And I wanted to reach that tree.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  But that day when we went with CNN, one year later, they're still there. We got attacked. The car was attacked, the journalists behind us got attacked. We were safe because we were in armored car. The footage shows that the settlers were trying to slash the tire with, with a knife. And it was, this was after reaching the area that, that the attack occurred. You know, I reached that area and to be honest,

• 29:17Speaker 04

  It was really hard on me because I started to imagine my son being in that area, being attacked and his friends being attacked. And our next step was, our next like area, our goal to reach was the tree that he took his last breath in, under. And on our way there, we were attacked. Then we were chased. Then we were chased around the whole mountain until we got out safely. And even after that, they came down to the village and they started attacking and so forth. And you know, it's like, until when? You know, why is there not sanctions on these people? On these terrorists?

• 30:00Speaker 04

  Why are they not, why is there not enough international pressure stopping this? And this happened, you know, this is not only happening to, you know, Palestinians, this happened to, this is happening to Americans. So, you know, we're funding this. That day, they said, the day that we were attacked with Jeremy, CNN, they said they apprehended four people. But what really happened? Because the next day, we couldn't get there. You know, it's like, the Israeli army being, you know, claiming that they're that great,

• 30:41Speaker 04

  they can't remove seven or eight settlers from this mountain? Because the Palestinians can do only so much. And, you know, they can't really retaliate against them. And they all have to, the only thing that they can do is just, basically, nothing. You know, we took it to the courts. We took it to the courts and tried to evict them, which makes no sense, evicting them from land that's not even theirs, or evicting them from land that they're trying to steal. And the court's order from the Israeli courts, the Israeli Supreme Court, has a court order

• 31:26Speaker 04

  that they must be removed, that they must leave. And still nothing. No investigation from the US Department of State. Israeli authorities are not removing them. And they're just saying that they're, you know, they're just a bunch of, a wild gang or some, or some sort of. And till this day, you know, we're, you know, I'm there. As a father, I feel I have a responsibility for my son, for Saif, that I can't give up, you know, and do what I can as an American.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  Tucker, he loved being an American. I mean, like, he got his new passport one day, the new passport with the card. He sent me a video. He said, Dad, Dad, look at the new passport. It's different. Then he, his friend sent me a video after he was killed that I seen when he, I'd never seen before until after he was killed. And he was holding this US passport. And he was saying, blue is blue. It doesn't matter. This is, this was Saif's direct words.

• 32:49Speaker 04

  He said, it doesn't matter if you're a Palestinian American, it doesn't matter if you're any other. He said, blue is blue. American is an American. And this was, like, he believed in it so much, you know? And it kind of, you know, like, how disappointed would he be right now that his passport did nothing for him? Tucker, you know, this is who Saif was.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Let me ask you two questions. Has anyone ever been arrested for your son's murder?

• 33:28Speaker 04

  They claim at the beginning, some, they were, four were arrested that day. They didn't give me information on who, they didn't say, but, you know, they were released soon after.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  So, no one's been punished for murdering your son?

• 33:46Speaker 04

  Nobody's been punished.

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• 35:27Speaker 01

  Tucker, that's my first question. My second question is, I just want to make sure I have this clear. You're a, you're an American, you run an ice cream shop in Tampa where your son, an American citizen, worked, but you're Floridians. And Rick Scott, the Republican senator from Florida, will not meet with you after your son, an American citizen and Florida resident, was murdered in a foreign country? Is that, is that right?

• 35:51Speaker 04

  We, we've tried, we've tried to do direct meetings with him. I think they wanted us to meet with their staff and so forth. I wanted a direct, I wanted to meet him directly. You know, I went to DC, I met with many senators. You know, why not my senator? You know? You know, my Floridian senator.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  I just want to say that again. Rick Scott and his, the phone number for his office is on the internet. Encourage everyone to look it up and give the office a call. Rick Scott, the Republican senator from Florida, will not meet with his own constituent whose son was murdered in a foreign country? That, you know, you think like the USS Liberty could never happen now? That American leaders would never tolerate their own people being killed by a foreign country? They'd never cover up on behalf of a foreign power when Americans are murdered? But clearly, it is happening again.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  And, and, and my son is not even the only American that's been killed there. You know, since 2003, a dozen Americans have been killed. And even after my son, you know, like, my whole thing was, maybe this time will be different. Maybe something will happen. Something will, there'll be a change because of, there was, you know, there was media out there about, covering about Saif's story. And it won't happen again. There'll be some sort of international pressure. No other American will be killed there. And even after my son was killed, two more Americans were killed by Israeli settlers.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  After my son. And, and it just doesn't stop. And like, you know, my whole thing is like, like, you know, why is the US government not doing enough for, for citizens? You know, when it comes to, you know, them being killed, you know, by Israelis? You know, I don't know, Tucker, like, don't you think if it was any other place in the world, there would be this investigation?

• 38:10Speaker 04

  You know, they'll send out, you know, their investigators and so forth to see what happened? And, you know, it's been a year down the road and, like, I just feel now it's even too late. Like, you know, what kind of investigation can you do after a year? You know, when?

• 38:31Speaker 04

  I don't know, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna try to keep doing my part, you know, and, and, and demand justice, demand accountability, and, and hopefully this impunity that they have, thinking they can do anything they want and get away with it, because they are. And nobody's stopping them, you know, slap to the wrist or so forth, or, but, you know, there's no true accountability, there's nobody getting, you know, going to jail. And like I said, when, what the director of the FBI said, you know, the, he's claiming

• 39:12Speaker 04

  that you, you're not gonna get away if you kill an American citizen, but these guys have.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  You can also rape children and molest children in the United States and flee to Israel and never face justice, and that's happened a lot. So, of course, they behave as if they have impunity because they do have impunity. That's the answer.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  They do have impunity. And, and, you know, Mike Huckabee, you know, called me up, you know, two days after. And these were my exact words that I asked him.

• 39:51Speaker 04

  I said, "Should I not fear to go into my land as an American that is under my name, that I purchased, anytime I want?"

• 40:07Speaker 04

  And he said, "No, you should not."

• 40:10Speaker 04

  I remember one year later, I still fear going into my land.

• 40:16Speaker 04

  He came to my house. We sat with each other. And he told me he would, he wants to get answers from the Israeli authorities. And still, still today, no answers from them.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  They, the case is still open, you know, when, when we asked, but with, with no answers, with, with, with nothing.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  Well, he is the United States ambassador in a country that would only, only exist because of the United States. So if he wanted answers, he could get answers. He's, he's the envoy from the Trump administration, the benefactor of Israel. So it's like not, not that hard to get answers if you, if you really want to. So he doesn't really want to.

• 41:01Speaker 04

  What, what hurts a lot, Tucker, is like, you know, imagine what it feels like, like my own tax dollars that I pay, you know, contributed to my own son's murder.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  You know, that hurts. And that, that, that hurts because we all know our tax dollars go there. And my son was killed there. So do I have a part of that in reality?

• 41:41Speaker 04

  You know, so I can, well, you know, we can pray for the best and, and, you know, hope that there'll be some change, you know, that they'll, they'll finally put a stop to this land theft that just keeps going and going and going. And just three weeks ago, just three weeks ago, they put a new outpost in our land and, and, and the Mazra Shikay land, land that's owned by mostly 80% Americans from our, from our village.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  And they brought their sheep. They started small. Now there's a tent there. And now every day, more and more settlers are going there. And now another area of our village that we can't go to because there's Israeli settlers there. This was just three weeks ago. So it's, it's, it's not stopping. It's not, it just, it's, it's increasing, actually, on an everyday.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  I appreciate your taking the time to tell your story and the story of your son and what happened after he was murdered in this pogrom.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  And I hope many people will see this, and I hope that changes the result of that. So thank you very much.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  Well, thank you, Tucker, for, for having me and letting me give my story and letting my, you know, son's legacy live on. Thank you.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  So if you just watched that entire interview, we were emotionally exhausted by the end of it, you may be asking yourself, among many other questions, why didn't I know that this happened? Pogroms are underway, literal pogroms, where people are being murdered, including American citizens, including a boy from an ice cream shop in Tampa, and I didn't know that even happened. Well, the reason you may not have known is because the media are by and large not covering it.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  There is one exception. It's a Catholic publication whose political editor you're about to meet, former political editor, and his name is Stephen Harriad. Harriad describes how coverage of this story and stories like it has been shut down at a Christian publication.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  And of course, if it's shut down at a Christian publication, you can imagine it has no shot at all at most media outlets in the United States. But without delay, here is editor Stephen Harriad. Stephen, thanks so much for doing this. This story, what happened to you recently is, it's, it's hard to believe at first. So if I understand just the outline of it, you were working for a Catholic news organization, and you were told not to allow anything in print that might criticize, discredit the state of Israel, up to and including the state of Israel's mistreatment of Christians. Is that, is that right?

• 44:43Speaker 07

  Um, it's, it's not quite such a complete prohibition. More alarmingly, I guess, here's the thing, let me just, for a little context.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 07

  I work for, and I'm a longtime political editor for Zeal News, which is a Catholic, Catholic Votes news outlet. And we have, in the past, done a lot of coverage, until, until very recently, done a lot of coverage, arguably more than any other Catholic outlet, on the mistreatment of Palestinians by Israeli forces and by the Israeli settler movement. And one of our main sources on the ground has been the organization, The Vulnerable People Project, which I know you've heard of, and I've seen mentioned on your show. And what happened is, right after the Napa Conference, it was conveyed to me that we

• 45:36Speaker 07

  were now adopting a new policy, and it was to drastically reduce our coverage of Israel. Now, I will say, it's been presented to me in various ways. On one occasion, yeah, it was a total prohibition, no coverage of Israel until the elections. That's as a rule, and maybe with exceptions, and there will be, if there are exceptions, it has to be explicitly put, you know, brought to the CEO and under, brought under extra scrutiny.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, ask you to pause, until which elections?

• 46:09Speaker 07

  I guess the upcoming midterms.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 46:11Speaker 07

  Would be the, the reference. And so, to me, though, what was, what was alarming on the outset was, this came in the context of, right after the Napa Conference in California, which was attended by the US ambassador to the Vatican, Brian Birch.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  And what is the, what is the Napa Conference?

• 46:30Speaker 07

  The Napa Conference, the Napa Institute, it's, the people present would be Catholic, influential Catholics in politics and media, donors. And US ambassador to the Vatican, Brian Birch, who is the former president of Catholic Vote, was there. And the current CEO of Catholic Vote and of Zeal, Kelsey Reinhardt, and another executive met with him. They also met with donors, meaning the current CEO and other executives met with donors. And it was presented to me as coming from that. Like, one of the takeaways from our meeting, our meetings with donors and from our meeting

• 47:10Speaker 07

  with the ambassador is, we have to change our editorial policy on all issues with, you know, all articles that we were publishing with regard to this one issue, Israel.

• 47:23Speaker 07

  That in itself, without even getting into the substance of what the policy change might be, was so alarming that I immediately went to my media supervisor and said, "I think this violates my conscience. I don't, I don't think I can abide by this."

• 47:36Speaker 07

  But that was only, I guess, the beginning.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  If you're over 35, you remember exactly where you were on 9/11, that morning, September 11th, 2001, 25 years ago.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  But amazingly, after a quarter century, we still can't say with certainty what happened that day. Why? Because the government is holding so many of the 9/11 files, 25 years later. That's not the behavior of someone who's telling the truth. That's the behavior of a government that is lying. Secrecy is a signifier, is a sign that someone's lying. Now, former Congressman Kurt Weldon has been on this for a long time. The FBI actively tried to destroy his life for asking questions about what happened. And his new book outlines it all. The buried intelligence, the bureaucratic cowardice, and yes, the cover-up spanning multiple administrations, indeed, generations. 9/11 changed history. So it's worth understanding

• 48:30Speaker 01

  what really happened. And you can get a lot closer to that in Kurt Weldon's book, Able Danger: What the 9/11 Commission Never Told You. It's available now on TuckerCarlsonBooks.com. TuckerCarlsonBooks.com. May I ask you again to pause and tell us what your supervisor said when you explained your conscience won't permit you to work under these conditions?

• 48:53Speaker 07

  Oh, my direct supervisor was very sympathetic. And there are, as you know, on this issue, there's a lot of sympathy. In fact, as I said to one of my bosses, you could cast about for sympathy for days. And if you tell people, "We're changing our policy on Israel stories until the elections," you'll find that sympathy in one or two retirement communities, and maybe Florida, and New York, and maybe in some boardrooms in DC. But as you've seen, I mean, people are very morally outraged by the comportment of Israel in the West Bank,

• 49:33Speaker 07

  and of course, in Gaza over the last three years, almost. So yeah, my direct supervisor is very sympathetic. There are plenty of people who are very sympathetic. And in fact, Tucker, I'd honestly say, and I said this to everyone before I resigned, I said, "I believe that you are fundamentally in agreement with me on this. I view you not as, you know, some bad guy trying to impose something on me, but as a good person who's been manipulated." And to me, that's my main attitude toward this. And I feel bound in conscience, and I even said this to executives before I resigned, I said, "This is unmistakably a moral scandal." And with the involvement of the US Ambassador to the Vatican, especially in light of how

• 50:16Speaker 07

  outspoken our Holy Father has been, as well as his right-hand man in the Holy Man, you know, Pierpist Pizzaballa, the Cardinal who is the patriarch of Jerusalem, to say nothing of the clergy on the ground in the West Bank, for the US Ambassador to be going to the US and meeting with an executive at a media organization and saying, "We need to adjust our policy toward Israel and the way we cover it," is inherently scandalous. And I said, "I will not be complicit in such a scandal." And I don't appreciate being put in the position of sitting on it, you know? And sure enough, you know, when I reached out to your team,

• 50:56Speaker 07

  your response, I think, was as commonsensical as mine. Like, "Are you kidding me?" You know? That's very alarming. There's no mistaking it, is there?

• 51:05Speaker 01

  No, it's shocking. I mean, this is a Christian news organization reporting on, among other things, the mistreatment of Christians in the homeland. And so to hear not just that a US official, but the Ambassador to the Vatican would be trying to shut that down, um, yeah, I had trouble believing that could be true. But, you know, that's a daily experience for me.

• 51:33Speaker 07

  Well, and to be clear, Tucker, I wasn't privy to this conversation. I didn't have a conversation with the US Ambassador to the Vatican. But it was very strange to me that three executives independently confirmed that this conversation had taken place. Two of them were present. And yeah, as I was saying to Brian, and as he said, so to be meeting with the Ambassador to the Vatican and coming out of that meeting with, "And here's our new editorial policy with regard to all stories having to do with Israel." By the way, I'm Catholic votes, in a sense, I'm Catholic votes most senior editor. I'm not, you know, I'm the political editor. To hear this as sort of just marching orders

• 52:16Speaker 07

  out of the blue, and for it to be presented, frankly, cavalierly. Here's the other thing, you know, when I talked with the CEO, she did mention, "I do," quote, "I do," she said, "I understand that some things have been communicated in a clunky and alarming way." At one point, she even said she would have one person who communicated it to me rescind his communicating. Nonetheless, I was like, "No, you don't go oops on something like this. This is very grave." And I was very frankly, it's just, I'm still mystified that they would not see how serious I was, but also how grave this situation is, if that

• 53:01Speaker 07

  makes sense.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  What do you think motivated this? What kind of coverage, and pardon my ignorance, were you all doing before this conversation?

• 53:09Speaker 07

  Wonderful coverage. Really, I'm very proud of it. I'm very proud of them. They really stuck their necks out. We, one of our main focuses, to give you a flavor of it, was Taiba. And thank you, by the way, I've heard you mention Taiba on your show. It's the last all-Christian town in the West Bank, and it has been subject to some of the, some really nasty settler violence and menacing activity by settlers surrounding it, or trying to push the local community out. This is an ancient Christian community. They descend from the first converts. I mean, these are, this is, the West Bank is made

• 53:48Speaker 07

  up of descendants of Christ's first followers. But we've done some beautiful coverage of Taiba that included exclusive comments from the residents there. That coverage included citations of those residents expressing, well, essentially alleging that Israeli forces were complicit in, or even facilitated settler violence against them, and threats against them by settlers. So there's a final chapter to this. Hours after I tendered my resignation,

• 54:26Speaker 07

  the Zeele website published its first report on Taiba without my editorial oversight, and presumably in keeping with the new policy that they had adopted on Israel. And in sharp contrast to all of the past reports on Taiba, there were no direct quotations from the residents. The main source it cited was an official statement from the Israeli military. And that statement gave its rationale as, "We are coming and declaring Taiba a closed military zone in order to protect the residents from settler violence." It flies

• 55:09Speaker 07

  in the face of everything we, the whole perspective of the local community, including, by the way, Father Bashar, the local pastor, who we've quoted in our past reports. These are exclusive quotes. By the way, I got these exclusive contacts through the Vulnerable People Project. And a major part of the policy that troubled me the most when they said, "We're going to be changing our policy on Israel," was zero, absolutely no more citations of the Vulnerable People Project as a source. And I'm like, they're my, they're our main source. They're a gold mine. They're a US-based Catholic apostolate. Their work has been favorably written up by the official Vatican news portal. They have contacts with everyone on the ground,

• 55:54Speaker 07

  including Father Bashar. It's through them that I got these exclusive comments from Taiba's residents. To suddenly no longer be able to cite BPP or use them as a source, and they're offering us exclusives freely, to suddenly, that's a major curtailment of my ability to cover what's happening to the community in the West Bank. And so anyway, in this report, no quotations of local residents. The main quotation was an Israeli press release from the military. And by the way, since then, I've been in a group chat with

• 56:30Speaker 07

  residents of Taiba. And they, sure enough, of course, they told me, the general mood, you know, our sentiment on the ground is, "We are frightened of the presence of the new, the increased Israeli military presence, and we don't trust it, and we're afraid that it might even lead to a worse outcome. We feel more under threat." And in addition to that, settlers are still getting through. This is supposedly a closed military zone. The Christian residents of Taiba are saying, "Our movement is being restricted," but settlers are walking into our town armed and not being stopped, which presumably would be the purpose

• 57:13Speaker 07

  of this closed military zone, would be to check them before they get in, right? So, and we've seen, there's footage now of people in Taiba being confronted by settlers, and then the Bedouin communities right outside of Taiba are being directly attacked by settlers. Yesterday, as I was literally in communication with them directly while these attacks were happening. So the military zone is not working. More importantly, the residents don't even believe it was intended to, if that makes sense.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it sounds like it is working, according to its purpose. It's so disgraceful, it's so evil. Why would the United States Ambassador to the Vatican abet the ethnic cleansing of Christians from the land that Jesus walked? I don't, I don't understand.

• 58:00Speaker 07

  I don't either Tucker and I can't speculate beyond to say like in a way I think that what's happening right now we battle as scripture says against powers and principalities um it would be simplistic and unproductive to go okay I found the bad guys now jump on my bandwagon where none of the bad guys are we're all good um the line as also Nissen said between good and evil runs through the human heart and I just found it runs through the hearts of everyone in my organization right

• 58:33Speaker 01

  yeah and and ours for that matter

• 58:35Speaker 07

  and ours right and so the message that I feel I want to send is more like right now the church in the holy land is suffering and I want Catholics in America to be intimate with Christ to be close to Christ to look to Christ and not lose their not lose sight of Christ on the cross and not lose sight of the body of Christ where it's suffering especially um and not allow whatever the interests might be that would say well until the elections we need to focus you know downplay some you know like that's just not an option for us as Christians it's not we have to be focusing on on being in solidarity I think especially with our co-religionists when

• 59:20Speaker 07

  they're under attack as you said in the land where Christ walked um the birthplace of our faith um what could be more important that than that um someone's ambitions for 2028 maybe some donors who are angling for something in the it's certainly by the way not even in the interests of the current administration which has been outspoken increasingly outspoken by the way against Israeli aggressions we have Trump directly decrying Netanyahu's use of arms in Lebanon where their uh their offensive is explicitly modeled after their Gaza offensives and he's specifically calling it out for high civilian casualties with Vice President Vance warning about domestic efforts

• 1:00:03Speaker 07

  to pressure people um to uh to to comply with Israel's interests um and we have the Trump administration repeatedly calling them out of over annexations over the settler movement explicitly

• 1:00:17Speaker 07

  so yeah again I I don't if you know what I mean I guess I'm saying why would this happen

• 1:00:24Speaker 07

  uh because there's a devil um not because ah hi I found them the bad guys this guy's turned bad and or you know something like that it's not as simple as that in fact you know what I would also say is that I would say that especially alarming is the fact this is all especially alarming because of how good everyone involved is

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  yes

• 1:00:44Speaker 07

  there is a powerful

• 1:00:47Speaker 07

  uh uh just outpouring of power in the direction of keeping American Christians from looking at their own church where it suffers and their own Lord and being intimate with the people in the Holy Land it's so powerful that even the best of us you know again a Catholic go to zeal I think have done I would say arguably they've been the best of all outlets in the US in terms of coverage of this issue and even they someone even got to them you see what I'm saying

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  of course I do

• 1:01:21Speaker 07

  yeah so to me it's almost like it's not like I found the bad guys and I want to go on Tucker's show and you know get you know tell everyone how bad they are um my attitude is almost more like wow this is so bad that even the best people um the the who are advocating ostensibly for the interests of of our faith and of our Lord and of the body of Christ are feeling enough pressure that they're going to their editor and saying shut up you know like we have to be real careful you know whatever they like I said even if they weren't saying shut up and no coverage even if they were saying we've got a new policy on this one issue that's it that's enough for me I'm like no that's very alarming

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  that is such a wise perspective and I just want to thank you for it um because it is it's it's bigger than the story itself and it is of a piece and the rest of the piece is Christian persecution and it's happening in a lot of different places most strikingly in Ukraine um where the Bolshevik in charge has banned the largest Christian denomination and not one in a thousand Americans knows that their tax dollars is are supporting this so I wonder if you see this as foreshadowing of Christian persecution in the United States

• 1:02:34Speaker 07

  uh yes and no I mean yes I shouldn't say and no of course uh yes in the sense of um

• 1:02:42Speaker 07

  you know there's the the symbol that convinced me and kept me tied to Christianity even when I struggled most profoundly with my faith to the point of identifying as an atheist was the crucifix and it was because it looks like reality um

• 1:02:58Speaker 07

  Christ identified himself went out of his way to identify himself kind of especially with people who are not let in on the program you know people who are uh marginalized who are not respected or represented um and then he died like one of them and he said you have to treat them like they're me um right now I see definitely in our political messaging something that is more dangerous to Christians because it doesn't directly target Christians instead it inveigles them into complicity and attacking their innocent neighbors who are not Christian and so it's still a betrayal of the

• 1:03:43Speaker 07

  heart of Christianity it is not it is a betrayal of love and of human solidarity um and it is a stumbling block to our neighbors who to whom the gospel is meant to be good news not a threat so right now in our messaging and I'm unfortunately Catholic vote has even been I just again the some of the best of us are being drawn into this you've seen the messaging about Muslims we're living in a context we're living in a context where we as American taxpayers have been made complicit by our taxpayer dollars in numerous decades of numerous military unjust military actions including against civilians throughout the Arab world most of the victims

• 1:04:25Speaker 07

  of which yes are Muslims many of whom are all obviously also Christians and there's no downplaying the the gravity of ISIS the rise of radical Islam and the persecution of minorities YZD Christians etc throughout the Middle East but in the context of this we are part of we helped get people elected who are involved in horrifically unjust we just what bombed a girl's school in in Iran based on like 1.0 level GPS AI uh systems um no apologies it's just sort of um and uh and that's just the latest of a long train of examples of abuses military brutality to say

• 1:05:09Speaker 07

  nothing of our backing of Israeli policies that have hurt people Trump went to the Knesset and gave a speech at one point and he boasted of US manufacturers providing the arms that Netanyahu used in Gaza and then he turned to Netanyahu who was present and said and you use them well um I cried that day it was it was it twisted my guts because I was I helped get this man elected

• 1:05:35Speaker 07

  and this is evil but right now the messaging of Muslims El Said you can oppose the guy's candidacy for numerous reasons but he said Inshallah so he's a that's actually code for I'm declaring war on Western civilization I have a coworker by the way is a Lebanese Christian Lebanese American she says Inshallah it's it's like saying how are you I mean it's so common in their language throughout the Arabic world one person um by the way who works for VPP uh is a Christian he's a he's an expat from Gaza he said I say Inshallah like 20 times a day

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  do you know what it means literally do you know what the English translation from the Arabic means

• 1:06:17Speaker 07

  God willing roughly

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  exactly exactly exactly that's God willing and as a Christian I there's kind of no sentiment I endorse more than that that's not in conflict with my faith it's it's an expression of my faith so yeah

• 1:06:34Speaker 07

  and the other thing is that you know the messaging on the right we can't be complicit in it man as Christians

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  oh I know

• 1:06:40Speaker 07

  the the it's funny too I mean there's Christian community in Dearborn Michigan and it's all about how they're going to you know slaughter everyone as soon as we're not looking this is a group of they've they've they've partnered with local Christians to get you know LGBT extremes out of schools

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  yeah I know

• 1:06:58Speaker 07

  they're social conservatives they're family oriented

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  oh I know oh I know them yes yeah I could and and they all worked to elect Trump which is the irony they all did I don't I don't know I you know the support that Trump got from Arabs in the United States Arab American voters was really really strong the majority and by the way yeah didn't I think if I remember correctly Jesus spent two full days in a Samaritan village

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  right and I mean you know the Samaritans were the enemies of the Jews of course you know they were going to hell they were heretics apostates and Jesus lingered in their village and brought them over to him so it's like the idea that we have a moral duty to hate Muslims no we have a moral duty to love people period

• 1:07:48Speaker 07

  yeah especially people when they are most directly under threat

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  yeah

• 1:07:52Speaker 07

  and I don't appreciate my friend having a crosshair put over her face because she has a Middle Eastern last name and because she says Inshallah

• 1:08:02Speaker 07

  and that's wrong it is wrong Christians have I'm sorry I mean Christ demands that we not do that

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  right so I'm I must say I'm really uh I'm impressed by your bravery in resigning something people almost never do um and I'm grateful that you did because it opens up your future to something else and you're clearly on a path that this this will help this country so what is your next step

• 1:08:33Speaker 07

  um my next step if I may is I asked Father Bashar I said I'm about to do an interview I didn't say where um that's high profile and that will air soon um would you like to say something to American Christians um I'd be honored if I could convey what your message is Father Bashar is the the pastor in Taba and I wanted to know his perspective on what unfortunately zeal reported was a a new policy of a close declaring Taba a closed military zone so that the IDF could protect Christians and um if you wouldn't mind could I read his statement

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  oh I would be grateful if you did

• 1:09:14Speaker 07

  okay um

• 1:09:18Speaker 07

  this is uh what he texted to me

• 1:09:25Speaker 07

  Tyba is not simply another village on the map. It is an ancient Christian community rooted in the land of Christ for centuries. And today, our people are facing a very serious threat to their ability to remain on their land in security, freedom, and dignity. For months, we have experienced repeated settler incursions onto private and agricultural lands, fires, damage to property, intimidation of families and workers, and attempts to establish a permanent presence around our town. Even after Tyba was declared a closed military zone, settlers have continued to enter areas around the village. This is why we believe that any new military presence or security measures must be judged by what actually happens on the ground. Are the attacks stopped?

• 1:10:10Speaker 07

  Are our homes and lands protected? Can farmers and workers reach their land safely? Can our children and families live without fear? Our concern is that measures announced in the name of protecting Tyba must not end up restricting the people who are being threatened while failing to stop those responsible for the violence. Protection must mean real protection of this community, its freedom of movement, its property, and its future. To our Christian brothers and sisters in the United States, I would say, “Please do not look at us only as Christians who need sympathy. See us as your brothers and sisters, who are asking for justice, dignity, and the right to remain in the land where Christianity was born. We do not ask that you stand against anyone.

• 1:10:55Speaker 07

  We ask you to stand for human dignity, for justice, for peace, and for the protection of innocent people. Use your voices, your churches, your institutions, and your relationships with your elected representatives to ensure that the protection of Christian communities in the Holy Land is not only spoken about, but translated into concrete action. And please come and see us. Visit Tyba, pray with us, meet our children and families, listen to their stories, and then go home and tell others what you have witnessed. Despite everything, our message is not one of despair. We intend to remain. Our answer to fear is faith. Our answer to isolation is solidarity, and our answer to the threat of displacement is

• 1:11:38Speaker 07

  to strengthen life here through our schools, jobs, health care, support for young families, and especially through giving our children a reason to believe that they have a future in their homeland. Please pray for us, but also walk with us. Help us keep hope alive in Tyba and keep the Christian presence alive in the Holy Land. With gratitude and hope, Father Bashar.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Stephen Harried, thank you very much, very much, for doing this interview and for explaining it so well and for your integrity in how you responded. It's definitely a model for the rest of us. I hope we see you again.

• 1:12:15Speaker 07

  Thank you, sir.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  That's it for us tonight. Thanks so much for watching. We'll see you next Wednesday.