Jimmy Dore: Charlie Kirk’s Murder, Thomas Massie & Finding God Through the Propaganda Hellscape

Jimmy Dore on the uniparty, Charlie Kirk’s murder and why he came to believe in God. Jimmy Dore is a comedian, political commentator, and host of The Jimmy Dore Show. You can watch The Jimmy Dore Show on YouTube, Rumble, and JimmyDore.com. Paid partnerships with: Hallow prayer app: Get 3 months free at https://Hallow.com/Tucker Angel Studios: Become a Premium Angel Guild member today at http://angel.com/TC Dose: Daily supplements for the systems that support you. Use code TUCKER for 35% at https://dosedaily.co/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Tucker Carlson?

  Jimmy Dore, thank you for doing this.

• 0:35Speaker 02

  My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

• 0:37Tucker Carlson?

  So, it seemed to me, so much is happening, it's hard to get perspective on any of it. But it does feel like Thomas Massie's loss in the primary in Kentucky two weeks ago was like a kind of pivot point in American politics. What was your response to it?

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Well, my response to it was, how dare we preach democracy around the world and tell people that the people in China are oppressed when we obviously don't have democracy here. Right? This is a complete... We just gave up. And so now, it's the oligarchs. As I was telling you before, it's just proof that we don't live in a democracy. They did that Princeton study in 2015 about how it doesn't... 90% of people, their wishes never are expressed in legislation, and it's only the top 10% of the wealthy people. And there's a direct correlation. If 50% of the wealthy people want something, 50% of the time, it happens. And so, but the bottom doesn't matter.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Your vote literally doesn't matter. And we're living in that. And so, I was telling you before, in China, the government sits above capital.

• 1:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  And so, the economy works for the people. But in the United States, capital is above the government. And so, the economy doesn't work for the people. It works for a handful of international globalist billionaires, which is why we have homelessness everywhere. We have the biggest prison population in the world. And we still go bankrupt just to get educated. You get bankrupt when you get sick. And like I say, we're like... And we live in a surveillance state. And so, we're like China, except we have more street crime and slower trains.

• 2:20Tucker Carlson?

  And we get lectured constantly, in the most self-righteous way, by the worst people.

• 2:26Tucker Carlson?

  It's a hard jump for your average right winger, me, for example, to accept the fact that corporations are even more malicious than government.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Way more.

• 2:40Tucker Carlson?

  You know, I think that's, I'm coming around to that just because the evidence is overwhelming, but I do think there's like a training that takes place where you just have someone point to Soviet Poland and you're like, that's the option to what we have. And you're like, I don't want that. I don't like potatoes. You know what I mean? Bad architecture, grim weather. But I kind of believe that.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  Uh, you believe that that's the option?

• 3:05Tucker Carlson?

  That that was the option. So either you have like, Google runs everything. And, you know, they do it in technicolor and it's like free and it's great. Or the state runs everything and it's Soviet Poland. And so like, I do think the average right winger, or again, I'll say for my, speak for myself. It's like hard to accept that you want to live in a system where billionaires don't control everything. Like, that's not good.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  That's not good. Let's look around. That's

• 3:34Tucker Carlson?

  You're right.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  This is the system we're living in. And, you know, corporations, there's no long-term planning, right? At least in China, they have long-term planning, right? Which is why they get to have flying cars and great infrastructure and beautiful bridges that make their own waterfalls and own rainbows, stuff like that. It's just amazing. And then here, because they don't, in corporations only care about quarterly profits. So they don't care if the whole company crashes as long as they can show a profit in the quarter.

• 4:03Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's right.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  And that's the problem. There's no long-term planning in America. And that's why. And, you know, I also have a firm belief that, like in California, they spent $24 billion to try to fix homelessness and none of it, it just got worse. And, you know, I think you've talked about this, that it seems planned because it probably is that they want us to live in this kind of hellscape, so we beg for authoritarian solutions to these problems.

• 4:30Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  And that's what they're doing, right? So, you know, it all started with 9/11. They had the Patriot Act already written before 9/11, right? So they, and, and, and as Edward Snowden revealed, that, you know, they're collecting every text, every phone call, every email you make anyway. So we live in a, and then it's just getting more flock cameras. It's like what you said to Kevin O'Leary. It's like the, oh, they're there to help fight crime. Really? Crime rates going down, are they?

• 4:55Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  No. So, uh, yeah, this is what happens. And Thomas Massie, I mean, a guy who won almost unanimously, and then he, his positions didn't change, uh, but then all of a sudden, uh, he loses and loses big, right? Lost by 10 points. So, uh, and it just, and it was all propaganda and lies. And who knows if they also fiddled with the vote, you know? Why would you put that past them? Why? Of course they would. The people who slaughter people for profit, which is what been the last 25 years since 9/11, just slaughtering people for profit, uh, they wouldn't rig an election? Of course they would.

• 5:36Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, uh,

• 5:39Tucker Carlson?

  If it's important enough to murder people, it's important enough to take over electronic voting machines, of course. And by the way, that's the one thing you're not allowed to say.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  You're not, well, you know,

• 5:47Tucker Carlson?

  So that's always a, always a tip.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  Before 2020, the Democrats used to scream about,

• 5:52Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I remember.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  And I have video after video I show on my show about, uh, the, the Democrats saying how easily hacked these electronic voting machines are. And then there was a day you can't say it anymore, right? Just like you used to be able to criticize Big Pharma, and then there was a day you got, you can't do it anymore, right? Remember? And so, yeah, of course, of course, those people would, would rig elections. I mean, they, The people who did building seven wouldn't wouldn't rig an election.

• 6:18Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's your total people risk their lives to rob liquor stores. So right, a lot's at stake. But I I kind of wonder like, why do we have electronic voting machines that are not faster? You don't get the vote faster.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Right. Takes forever.

• 6:32Tucker Carlson?

  It takes forever. So what is the purpose? What's the utility? Why? Why do we still have them? Why not just, I don't know, give a thumbprint like they do in civilized countries like Malawi?

• 6:42Speaker 02

  It's easier to control. Well, I mean, that's the obvious, right? The easiest answer, right? It's easier to control the vote.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  Anyway, it's a we don't, again, we don't live in a democracy. And then there's always the people who say, well, Jimmy, we don't live in a democracy. We live in a constitutional republic, right? The people who say that, which is true.

• 7:00Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  But that is that is a form of democracy. So I always have to tell people that is a form of democracy. You don't have direct democracy because majority rules is a bad thing. You have to have a constitution which protects the right of the minority in case when you have a, you know, tyranny of the majority, which is what we had during COVID.

• 7:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Good point. But in both a direct democracy and a constitutional republic, the the core idea is the same, which is the people rule. It's their country. It belongs to them.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. And if you believe that I've got a vaccine, I'd like to sell you.

• 7:41Tucker Carlson?

  So now I I guess my.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  I mean, right now we have we're having a governor's race in California. And so they have the they have it's called a jungle primary. Do you know what that is, right?

• 7:50Tucker Carlson?

  Sort of dummy.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  So so instead of Democrats and Republicans having their own primary, they have one big primary. Everybody's in it, including independents, including no party preference people. And the top two vote getters then face off in. And so that's to make sure that it's just Democrats, right? So that's that's what that is because we have one party rule in in California. And if you think that's good, go to California. And see how it's working out. And so they have a jungle primary. And so someone, Democrats are so unpopular now, even in California, that they're afraid that a Republican, or two Republicans might, because the Democrats might split the vote, and then two Republicans

• 8:31Speaker 02

  sneak in. And they asked Governor Newsom, and they said, what if that happens? And he said, well, we have a plan. We have a break the glass plan. Meaning, you know, an emergency, break the glass. So he's like, he's literally saying, don't worry, we're not going to allow democracy to work. We're not going to, if the vote doesn't go the way we want, we have a break the glass moment, and we're gonna fix that.

• 8:51Tucker Carlson?

  He said that out loud?

• 8:52Speaker 02

  He said that out loud. And, you know, just like when, but he pays no price for this. Just like when he said, so in California, like I said, they spent $24 billion to fix homelessness. Homelessness got worse. And so unanimously, the legislature passed a bill saying, hey, let's have transparency on how that money was spent. Passed unanimously. Gavin Newsom vetoed it. He paid no political price for that. Nobody even brings it up. And so that's the, so that's what we're, and again, the one party rule is, again, it's like, we're in California, we're like China, but with more street crime and slower trains.

• 9:36Tucker Carlson?

  Will it change?

• 9:38Speaker 02

  I hate to be a pessimist, but no. I don't see it changing. You know, you talk to people. My friend lives in the Pacific Palisades. Her house did not burn down. And they're having a vote for mayor. And she was asking this guy who was standing there in a burned out property, and then who are you gonna vote for for mayor? And he's like, you know, whoever the Democrats say, that was almost a direct quote. And so they don't, you know, just like when the fires happened, I talked to my neighbors, they go, well, Jimmy, there's nothing they can do. And then, of course, there's a million things they could do.

• 10:12Tucker Carlson?

  There's nothing they could do.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  And I go, did you know that there was, did you know that there was a reservoir above the Pacific Palisades that holds 113 million gallons of water? They drained it before the fires. Did you know that? They go, yeah, but that wouldn't have helped. Like, this is just a direct quote. I guess she didn't go to firefighting school, because water's like the number one thing.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  And so that's, that's, that's their mentality. So this whole idea, you know, half the country thinks, oh, their party is better than the other party. And it's like, oh, there's one party that's obviously better than the other party. Really? I wonder if this is a trap. Hmm. How could this be used against us? And that's exactly what it is, right? Just like George Carlin said, you get 40 different brands of cereal, breakfast cereal, you get two political parties. And it's used against it. At least in China, people can hold their politicians accountable because they got no other party to blame. So when something goes wrong. And if you look at the polls, they're way more happy with their government in China than we are in our country.

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• 14:10Tucker Carlson?

  It does seem like, um, the reason I asked, will it change? Cause it does seem like it can't continue. Like this, so it's.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  Well, the only, so what I, what I said after Thomas Massie was that, you know, the last time that the establishment was this unresponsive to its citizens, George Washington picked up a gun and started shooting people.

• 14:33Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's right.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  And I'm not advocating violence, obviously, and, uh, but. What we need to do, and the truckers in Canada during COVID laid a template for this, which is why they overreacted to them so hard because they knew they didn't want them, just like when Joe Biden crushed that railroad strike. They had to do that because that would have showed everybody the power of workers. Because the railroad is the backbone of capitalism. And if you shut that down, it shuts down and the oligarchs get hurt, right? And so they had to stop that. They made it illegal for them to go on strike. And so what I said is that after Thomas Massie is that we need to have, what if all the railroad workers just didn't show up for work for a week or so?

• 15:19Speaker 02

  What if the port workers didn't show up? What if all the truck drivers didn't show up? And then they went and they occupied Wall Street, which is why Occupy Wall Street scared the hell out of them. Yes. And because that was the left and the right. So you had the Tea Party upset about the banks. You had the left progressives upset about the banks. They had a common interest because that's the thing they don't want you to know is that we actually have a common interest. They want you to keep turning against your neighbor like your neighbor is the problem. Exactly. And your neighbor is not your problem because your neighbor is suffering under the same oligarchy that you're suffering under. And they don't want you to realize that you have shared interests and that we can work on the other stuff later, but we got to come together to stop these WEF globalist billionaires that actually run and dictate our lives.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  And so that's what I'm saying is that we need to have, you know, for all the grocery store workers, all the UPS, all the Amazon, if they, and if a couple of them did it together, it would show the power of the workers that we actually can take. And you have to have a protest. When you have a protest, you have to have a demand. So that's why you know those No Kings marches, right? Or protests, those are psyops. Of course. And how do you know they're a psyop? Because there's no demand. You have to have a demand, a concrete demand. And so if the if the workers shut down, if the railroad workers, port workers, truck drivers, if they shut down, they have a demand. Demand is no outside money in elections. We have publicly funded elections. We have an election cycle that's

• 16:44Speaker 02

  six weeks instead of two years. And you can't have corporate money. You can't have any of that stuff. It has to be publicly funded. And people say, who's going to pay for that? Well, it costs us trillions of dollars every year because we have corporations funding our elections. It would save us trillions of dollars, and we'd have a more responsive democracy if we had publicly funded elections. So that would be my demand. That's so you got to have you can have a protest, you got to have a demand. And when you see a protest without a demand, that's how you know it's a psyop. That's how you know it's to bring people back into the two party duopoly and hating each other.

• 17:18Tucker Carlson?

  Seems like if you're going to try to compel someone to do something he doesn't want to do, you have to do something he really doesn't want you to do. So like, the Occupy Wall Street, which I especially in retrospect, we needed that. But the tactic was like, have a protest? They don't care about your protest. What they do care about is money. Why is no one ever organized millions of Americans to say, stop paying their credit card bills, or stop paying their student loans? Why are people paying student loans? I don't understand that. It seems like that might get the attention of the people in charge.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that's that certainly would. And you know how they, you know, Michael Parenti, who died recently, and he was, he was a real friend of the working man. And he said, you know, the the oligarchs, they don't care about if you have healthcare. They don't care about if you have, you can afford a house. They don't care if you have to go bankrupt getting an education. The only thing they actually do care about is what you think. That's actually what they care about.

• 18:24Tucker Carlson?

  That's it. That's smart.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  And that's why they spent all this money on propaganda. That's why they own the media. That's why they constantly keep you propagandize and the best propaganda is the stuff you don't realize that is propaganda. You just internalize it and you think that's just the way things are. So that's the actually.

• 18:39Tucker Carlson?

  They care what you think. That's so interesting.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  That's the only thing they care about.

• 18:43Tucker Carlson?

  That's a deep insight because sometimes it feels like they don't care what you think, but of course they do. Because the propaganda is just relentless.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. And Michael, if anybody could go watch his speeches on YouTube, they're all over the place. And he's got a great sense of humor and he was, he was what Noam Chomsky people pretend he is.

• 18:59Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was the real deal. He was, you know.

• 19:02Tucker Carlson?

  What a fraud.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  You know how you could tell that, uh, so Michael Parenti, uh, got kicked out of academia, right? In the seventies and he couldn't get a job and he was blacklisted. He was, uh, because he was spoke up against the Vietnam War, stuff like that. And that's how you know he's the real deal. Noam Chomsky had a job forever at MIT.

• 19:22Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  He, it was no, no problem. And he was never, his job was never threatened. And so he was what, you know, uh, with Chomsky taught me that the, there's the overton winner. There's as far left as you can go, right? So they'll have on people on the cable news shows to talk about war. It's never, hey, we shouldn't have a war. It's always like, well, how much war should we have? And that's when you have those discussions. And so Chomsky was there to go, you can't go any farther than him. So if you go farther left than him, then you're a crazy nut. You're a conspiracy theorist. And he was the one, you know, who said, doesn't, who cares who killed President Kennedy? That's what Chomsky said. Who cared? Who cares? Who cares who overthrew our government? Who did a coup on our government? Who cares?

• 20:04Speaker 02

  That's so that's a CIA talking about the same thing, you know, he just, uh, repeated back that, uh, nine 11 happened exactly the way George Bush said it did to Dick Cheney, who by the way, when they were asked about it, uh, testified in secret, behind closed doors, not under oath and together. So.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Uh, so yeah, so I, I

• 20:22Tucker Carlson?

  Chomsky said he affirmed the official story of nine eleven?

• 20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. So, um, that's why you should, I advocate.

• 20:31Tucker Carlson?

  That's our radical?

• 20:33Speaker 02

  That's our radical. And I always tell people, you know, uh, what woke me up to it was like, I'm not an engineer, but I saw building seven. First of all, it was broadcast 20 minutes that had fallen down by BBC before it ever fell. They go, and, um, and then you're like, wait a minute, this building that wasn't hit by a plane, a plane hit a building 200 yards away from it.

• 20:55Tucker Carlson?

  Very far away.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  And then it fell into its own footprint, uh, like out of sympathy for the other buildings? Like what? And so that's when I knew something was up. And I was start, when I, I started my first comedy podcast in 2007 with, uh, with Todd Glass and, um, my wife Steph. And I was talked about, I talked about that. And people like Jimmy, there was a crazy conspiracy there. I'm like, what? And then even people like Rosie O'Donnell would bring it up on the view. I don't know if you remember that.

• 21:20Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. She was like building seven. And I'm like, ah, I know I'm onto something. Right? And so, you know, whenever you're not allowed to question something, that's when you know they're up to something.

• 21:29Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  And I experienced that with Seth Rich. So Seth Rich, by the way, still not solved. Nobody knows who killed him.

• 21:36Tucker Carlson?

  A robbery in which nothing was taken?

• 21:39Speaker 02

  It was a botched robbery where they didn't take his watch. They didn't take his wallet. They didn't take his phone. And, uh, I was just asking normal questions about the Seth. So the, the theory was that when WikiLeaks, um, published the emails, right? They said it was Russia hacked into the DNC server. But the theory was that, uh, this guy was upset that they had rigged the primary against Bernie Sanders. He was a real patriot. And so he had downloaded those onto a thumbnail and he gave them some through an intermediary, gave it to WikiLeaks. And Julian Assange all but confirmed it, right?

• 22:11Tucker Carlson?

  He did all, all but confirm it. He didn't strictly speaking confirm it, but he basically confirmed.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  Basically confirmed it, right? He was like, uh, we don't give away our sources. You know, and

• 22:22Tucker Carlson?

  But I'm very concerned about Seth Rich's murder, which is, by the way, still on YouTube and worth watching because Julian Assange is maybe the smartest person I've ever met.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:32Tucker Carlson?

  Really a smart person.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  And talk about guts, right?

• 22:35Tucker Carlson?

  He's, he's, he's, I think people who, on the left for years, people were free Julian Assange.

• 22:42Tucker Carlson?

  I didn't pay that much attention and then I got to know Julian Assange and I realized Julian Assange is way more of a hero even than people pretended he was.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  Yes, very much. And I was very flattered. His family came to see me when I was in Australia.

• 22:54Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, when I was in Melbourne, they showed up. So it's a, it was a very

• 22:57Tucker Carlson?

  Wonderful man.

• 22:58Speaker 02

  Anyway, um.

• 23:00Tucker Carlson?

  But he basically confirmed the Seth Rich story, the crazed conspiracy theory.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  So Seth Rich, there's all these, there's all these questions about his murder, right? Like where was he when he left the bar to the time he got murdered? There's hours. Where was he? What was he doing? Nobody? And so there's all this stuff and how come there's no, there's no video of this? There's no this? Where's his computer? How come we can't see? And so I did, I was covered. I was at the Young Turks at the time when I was covering it. And then the Washington Post put me in a hit piece, right? That I was crazy conspiracy theorist. And they put me in a hit piece. This is when legacy media was afraid of YouTube taking away their viewers. And so they would run these hit pieces on YouTubers and I was one of them and they put me in, but like, look at all these, there's Nazis on YouTube. There's white supremacists on YouTube. There's all this, hey,

• 23:45Speaker 02

  your kids are going down rabbit holes. They're being radicalized on YouTube. And they put me in there and they put about Seth Rich, right? And so, and I don't even want, I don't want to even mention the guy who did it, but the guy who did it works for the Washington Post and he was, he's the guy, he did pro-war rallies for the Iraq war. Right? When he was in college. Yeah. And, and of course, that's the guy Jeff Bezos taps to go cover progressive politics. That is the guy. And so anyway, he puts me in this hit piece and nobody really had my back on it. And I remember I was on a panel one day on the Young Turks with Jen Kugur and Ben Makowitz, other people.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  And I, and I said to him, can you remember the last time a reporter wasn't allowed to ask questions about an unsolved murder? And they're like, oh, they didn't know. And I'm like, of course, this is crazy. And so people would slander me, Jimmy Dorsa, Seth Rich, conspiracy theorist, right? And, uh, and the big thing was, uh, you're not supposed to ask questions because it hurts the family and upsetting their family. Really? I've been watching John F. Kennedy get his head blown off since I was a kid. What about his family? Nobody seems to care.

• 25:00Tucker Carlson?

  Uh, no, that's right.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  So that's how you know that was so then.

• 25:03Tucker Carlson?

  Was all of us have a right to justice for all American citizens? Like, that's our country's promise. So it's not about, I mean, I respect the family. I feel obviously bad for them. Their son was murdered. You don't want to offend people unnecessarily, but it's not about a family. It's about the nation, right?

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:20Tucker Carlson?

  Do we have a country where murders are solved? Or do we have a country in which investigations into murders are thwarted for political reasons? You can't have that country.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I don't, I remember Jackie O coming out and saying, stop looking into this. Stop. She didn't say that.

• 25:35Tucker Carlson?

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• 27:18Speaker 05

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• 27:48Tucker Carlson?

  Did anybody back you up on this? When you asked questions about?

• 27:51Speaker 02

  So, no. So in fact, YouTubers did hit piece after, hit piece on me, along after the Washington Post put me in their article. And that's when I'm like, okay, I'm on to something. And so then, people wanted to see the contents of the Seth Rich's laptop.

• 28:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  And at first, the FBI said, well, we don't have it. And then they're like, okay, we have it, but we can't get the information out. Okay. Then they're like, okay, we got the information, but we can't release it because of the ongoing investigation. And so, so they lied three times. And then the judge, there was a judge that ordered them to release the contents. They ignored it. A second judge said you gotta release it. They still, they still haven't released it. So it's been now Ten years. Ten or eleven years since he got murdered. We still don't know the contents. So that's how you know they're up to something and you know there was something to that. And we know for a fact that Russia did not hack into the DNC server. Oh, I know. I brought Bill Binney on my show, was the number one codebreaker for the NSA for decades. And he, immediately I brought him on my show in 2016 to debunk this.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  And he said, yeah, if this, if they did this, if this was an outside source, he said, there would be all these telltale signs that they did it. They're, and I, I'm, you know, I'm not a codebreaker, but he'll go, and there's none of them are there. So this was local. So this, meaning it was downloaded onto a thumb drive. It wasn't hacked by. And that's how I knew Russiagate was a scam. And Russiagate served many purposes. One of them was to, to keep Trump from being the populist he ran on the first time. Yes. And second part was to get people ready for the war in Ukraine because they had that in the chamber for over a decade. And so it propaganda, I, I remember when George Bush said he met Putin and I looked into his eyes and he, I saw he's a good man. Yeah, I'll never forget it.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  And then they were like, hey, we gotta, what are you doing? We gotta stop that. Right? They would, they would go fishing together on Kenny Bunkport and stuff. And so Putin was our friend. And then they were like, no, no, we gotta have a war. Cause you know, BlackRock, Vanguard and State Street, they want to Balkanize Russia. They want to split it up and sell it off for parts, which is what they do, right? And they thought they were going to be able to do that with the Ukraine war. And as Angela Merkel revealed that when they had the peace agreements in Ukraine, that that wasn't really for peace. That was just so the Ukraine had the time to build up their military, to get ready for this war that they provoked from Putin. And so, but people don't know that in the United States. People don't know anything because the people who want that war own the media.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  And then people like me who know that, and I tell that story, I'm called, considered borderline content on YouTube. And they call me a conspiracy theorist on Wikipedia, even though I was right about it. And just like I was right about the Syrian gas attacks, which now the OPCW admits that they suppressed the whistleblowers. Um, but they, I mean, literally, they had, you go to Wikipedia, they would say Jimmy Dore is a conspiracy theorist because CNN says that the the gas attacks happen the way that, and I'm like, yeah, that's all garbage. And so, anyway, um, they're smart. They, just like Michael Parenti said, they only care about what you think, which is why they control the media, so they can control what you think, right? And you don't get a $35 million contract for debunking Russiagate.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  You get a $35 million contract like Rachel Maddow got for pushing Russiagate. In fact, when the war started in Iran, I watched a video of hers, she's still blaming Putin. She's saying he's doing the bidding of, as if Putin wanted that to happen. Because now he gets to sell oil at a higher price. Yeah, that was an unintended consequence of this war. Trump had to take the sanctions off of Russia. And, uh, so, and anyway.

• 31:23Tucker Carlson?

  But if you're Rachel Maddow, why not just come out against the war in Iran? I mean, that was a pure Trump thing, and Bibi. Everybody in your audience hates Trump and Bibi, so why wouldn't you just say that? Why blame Putin? That's like insane.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  Because she had, they have to keep that war going, I guess, and she's a puppet of the military industrial. Again, you don't get a $35 million contract, this is what she got, uh, for telling the truth. You know, Tucker, I use you as an example all the time. You know, they, you don't get fired for lying. He got fired when he started to tell the truth about the neocons and the military industrial complex, the Syrian war, which is when you and I first connected. Because we were the two people telling the truth.

• 32:03Tucker Carlson?

  You were the only other person, and I thought, am I going insane? There's no evidence that this happened. I don't even know Assad. I didn't have strong feelings about Assad. Um, he's certainly better than what we have now in Syria, but I, I was just like, this just seems as like a reporting matter, like a lie, and you were the only other person saying that, the only other person.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  I remember doing a video, and I said, boy, when, if it comes down to me and Tucker telling the truth about this, we're screwed. And of course, we are screwed because now Al Qaeda runs Syria.

• 32:31Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  That, exactly as I predicted, exactly as Tulsi Gabbard predicted.

• 32:35Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  That if you get rid of Assad, who's going to take over? Al Qaeda or ISIS, by the way, which we're funding and probably created. So, and the, isn't it interesting that ISIS and Al Qaeda, the sworn enemies of Israel, never attack Israel? Isn't that interesting?

• 32:50Tucker Carlson?

  It is kind of weird.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kind of, it's almost like they invented them for a purpose.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  People don't care. People don't, I talk about this, people don't care, especially my, you know, my ex-friends in Hollywood, they have no idea about any of this stuff. They don't know that the, so they see a guy who's running Syria now, and he's got a blue Brooks Brothers suit on, and he's meeting with the president, and he's meeting with Petraeus, he's over at Downing Street, and they're like, "Yeah, he's, he's our guy." I'm like, "You know, he's the, he's the former head chopper from Syria, from Al Qaeda, right?" Like, "Huh? What? I don't, they all look like Cash Patel, I don't know what's going on," you know? So, uh...

• 33:26Tucker Carlson?

  It's funny, even the Gulf Arabs, um, when he took, when Jelani took over Syria, they were, they were more uncomfortable than our State Department. Our State Department was like, "Yeah, okay, it's totally fine," because the Israelis wanted it, but even the Gulf Arabs were like, "Ooh, this guy's pretty scary. Like, really? We going with this?"

• 33:47Speaker 02

  And Gaddafi predicted all this, and that's why they had to kill him too. Oh yeah, he predicted, he, he gave a speech at the Arab League where he talked about, you know, "You don't think they're gonna come for you next? They're coming for you." And they did, and they came for him because, well, he, he was a threat to the petrodollar, because he was gonna create the dinar, right? And the most successful country in all of Africa, and he was gonna unite Africa, and they can't have that because they wanna go in there, you know, as Michael Parenti says, "It's not a poor continent, it's a very rich continent, and they just keep the people poor so we can extract all their resources," which is what they do. And so, he was gonna, he was gonna unite the people of Africa, and they can't have that, because that would be a threat to the Euro, it'd be a threat to the US dollar, and so that's why he had to go. Plus, he said, "If you get rid of me,

• 34:31Speaker 02

  they're gonna flood Western Europe." He thought he was safe, because if they got rid of him, then all the refugees would go flood, but it turns out, that's exactly what they wanted.

• 34:43Tucker Carlson?

  What they wanted, exactly.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  And why do they want that? They want that for the, because they, again, they want you hating your neighbor. They want you to be afraid of your neighbor and fighting, so, just like in the United States, why did they have open borders? And, um... I'm, you know, very pro immigrant, you know, um, but the reason why they want to flood the country with is for to, by the way, Bernie Sanders used to be a, uh, against open borders.

• 35:11Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  And he would say it's a Koch, it's a Koch brothers scam.

• 35:13Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  And of course.

• 35:14Tucker Carlson?

  To lower wages, obviously.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Lower wages and then keeping poor workers fighting against even poorer, more desperate people.

• 35:21Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Instead of coming together, realizing your common interests and fighting against the oligarchy. And what I tell people is if you find yourself angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you, pretty good chance you're being manipulated by someone higher on the economic ladder than you. And so that's why I'd say, don't blame the immigrant because you would do exactly what they're doing.

• 35:40Tucker Carlson?

  I agree, I agree completely.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  I would do, I would do whatever I could to get into the United States.

• 35:43Tucker Carlson?

  Hundred percent.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would lie, cheat and steal.

• 35:46Tucker Carlson?

  I'd walk from Tegucigalpa any day.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  That's right, to give my kids a better life and myself. And so that's what they did in Europe. So you go there and it's to dilute the culture and get people, um, fighting amongst each other so you don't come together and fight the man.

• 36:02Tucker Carlson?

  And but Gaddafi thought that.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  And he thought that they didn't want that.

• 36:06Tucker Carlson?

  I didn't know that.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  He didn't realize that they wanted that. And as soon as they realized that they wanted that, he was gone. So there was many reasons to get rid of him. And of course, you know, Hillary Clinton famously said.

• 36:15Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  We came, we saw, he died. And she giggled about it because they're blood soaked psychopaths.

• 36:21Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think that's an overstatement.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  It's not an overstatement at all. You kidding me? They're all for the Iraq war. They killed a million people, right? In the Iraq war and look what they did to Libya, the most, now it's got open slave market still to this day. Then nobody cares. They, they used, uh, plutonium tipped bombs. So Gaddafi took desert and turned it into farmland. He created a water system, which is considered like the eighth wonder of the world. And they bombed it. They bombed it with depleted uranium tipped bombs.

• 36:55Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 36:57Speaker 02

  To make it a failed state. And so now the water's polluted with, you know, uranium.

• 37:03Tucker Carlson?

  Was that NATO?

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the good guys.

• 37:06Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, the defensive alliance?

• 37:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, the defensive alliance, right? UK, France, and the United States. We were the good guys. That's what people think. Just, I'll never forget when Tulsi was running for president and he went, she went on Stephen Colbert, who's one of the biggest disappointments ever to comedy. And he said, when she was telling the truth about Syria, right? And she was saying, you know, we shouldn't be doing this regime change wars and stuff. And he leaned over and he said, "I see America as a force for good in the world," with a straight face, with a straight face. That's a grown up man who's been in comedy his whole life. You think America's a force? Have you looked around the world? We have a thousand military bases. What has that gotten anybody? Did you see what we did to Iraq? Did you see what we did to Libya?

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Do you see what we're currently doing to Syria? It's all, again, that's why you get those jobs, because that's what you're gonna say. If they said something like I was gonna say, I wouldn't get that job. People like me don't get on TV like that.

• 38:02Tucker Carlson?

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• 39:05Speaker 00

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• 40:05Tucker Carlson?

  Worth it. So, not to sidebar here, but what about Colbert, who I always thought was talented?

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Extremely. He did the best show ever. I liked his show way better than The Daily Show when he did The Colbert Report. And then he became that guy.

• 40:22Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 40:22Speaker 02

  The guy that he was... Who knows? Your guess is... I'm not a psychiatrist, but he became the thing he used to lampoon. He became that guy. And he just repeats military-industrial complex talking points. You know, he helped to build up the momentum for the Ukraine war. And they... You know, I said it about Jon Stewart, too. You know, Jon Stewart, who can... Supremely talented. These people are supremely talented, but he'll never tell his audience the truth about the Ukraine war. Just like he'll never tell people why he hung a medal on a Nazi at Disney World. Right? And he told the truth about the virus, the COVID virus, on Colbert.

• 41:05Tucker Carlson?

  I remember that.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Which Colbert kept trying to stop him and cut, take the legs out from underneath his comedy, but which was brilliant. He had to literally get off the couch and walk towards the camera so he could finish. His comedy bit about where the COVID virus came from. Do you remember this?

• 41:19Tucker Carlson?

  Very well.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Yes. And so he paid a big social price for that, Jon Stewart.

• 41:23Tucker Carlson?

  He did?

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so he talked about, boy, I did, I, I, I found, I found out that, uh, I didn't know that certain medicines were political. He was talking about ivermectin and there's a right wing medicine. He talked about this. Um, and then to make up for that, he had to give a tongue bath to Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice. I don't know if you remember that.

• 41:43Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, which

• 41:44Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, that's penance.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  That is penance. And then he had to hang, hang a medal on a Nazi at Disney World, which he'll never go anywhere where anybody will ask. And God, by the way, I'm a big fan of Jon Stewart's and, but I just don't, you know, Chris Hedges told, told me when the first time he came on my show was that, I'm like, Jon Stewart's great. He takes down both sides. He's like, he'll never challenge the establishment, Jimmy, which is why he's there. And I'm like, oh, in a, in a meaningful way. And that's true. And that's why he's allowed to go on those TV shows and, and have a TV show. Uh, I mean, same thing with Bill Maher, right? If, if they were, if really a threat, they wouldn't be there. They're not a threat.

• 42:21Tucker Carlson?

  But Bill Maher, I mean, Bill Maher, not, you know, I don't want to be mean, but not a talented guy. Remember going to his house and he has this amazing house. Um, and it's like, wow, you've real, on the basis of very little native talent. I mean, literally, I know comedians no one's ever heard of who are like a ton of geniuses. Not the case for Bill Maher. This was 25, almost 30 years ago. I first thought this. And I was like, wow, this guy, how did he get so successful?

• 42:50Speaker 02

  So remember when he did tell the truth, when he had that show?

• 42:54Tucker Carlson?

  I'll never forget it.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he told the truth about, well, the, the hijackers on nine 11 weren't cowards. He said, you could say whatever you want about them, but they, you know, they give up their own life for a cause. And that's the opposite. And boy, oh, boy, did he pay a price for it. And he got his mind right immediately. And so they canceled him. And the story I've heard was that, um, his management company also represented, um,

• 43:19Speaker 02

  The Sopranos, right? And so HBO wanted The Sopranos bad. And so they said, okay, we'll give The Sopranos, but you have to give Bill Maher a show. And that's how he got his show on HBO. And just like George Costanza said on Seinfeld, when they were pitching a TV show on that sitcom, that they asked George Costanza, why would anybody want to watch this? And he goes, because it's on TV. And that's why people watch Bill Maher, because he's on TV. And he gets big name guests, right? Which I'm jealous of, no doubt about it. But he won't bring on people. Every time he brings on someone that's to his left, he gets schooled and he gets embarrassed. Like Glenn Greenwald, when Glenn Greenwald schooled him hard. I've showed that video many times.

• 44:00Tucker Carlson?

  Glenn's amazing. I can't believe he had Glenn on. Boy, that's dangerous.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  That was back in 2011 or 2010, and he's never had him on again.

• 44:06Tucker Carlson?

  Of course not.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. So anytime he has someone to his left, people don't like to, you know, people who consider themselves liberal, the last thing they want to do is be challenged from their left. And so he'll never bring. But Bill Maher, that's why he loves to have, be friends with like Ann Coulter and people like that. But he's not going to do that the other way. And so, yeah, that's what, that's what we're left with. And that's how he got that job. And that's why, and nobody knows the ratings of HBO, right? They don't, they don't release them a subscription. But, and you know, I'll say fully that I'm jealous of the influence he gets to have on the culture. And I'm, I would, and I'm jealous that he has that show.

• 44:47Tucker Carlson?

  But it's waning for sure.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Nobody likes him. That's the weird thing, right?

• 44:52Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  You know, and my wife always says, can we at least have somebody who's fun to look at? If he's going to be wrong about everything.

• 45:00Tucker Carlson?

  I do think, though, the Gaza tragedy has forced people into sunlight, kind of. Because like, if you're defending that, you don't have to hate Israel or, you know, have any kind of wacky views. But like, how could you defend that? How could a normal person defend that? You're not a normal person if you're defending that.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  I think. Tucker, you don't think Israel has a right to defend itself?

• 45:22Tucker Carlson?

  I think everybody has a right to defend himself. I just like, that's genocide, that's murdering children, so. And I think a person who's like, likes Israel, loves Israel even, could say, yeah, I love Israel, but like, I love America, but I'm not going to defend the grotesque things that our country has done. Why would I defend that?

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 45:41Tucker Carlson?

  I degrade myself and I lie when I do that. So why couldn't you say, yeah, I really love Israel, you know, but that's disgusting. What, they're starving people who didn't do anything wrong? Like, how could you defend that?

• 45:52Speaker 02

  And people don't know that there's a thing called the Greater Israel Project, which I didn't know. I didn't, I didn't know most of this stuff until October 7th, right?

• 45:59Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  I, I mean, I had covered when Israel would go in and mow the lawn, you know, I would cover how horrible that was, but I didn't really understand the genesis of it. I didn't understand what was going on. And, uh, but I, after October 7th, I did. Now I now understand, I understand that, you know, that Israel was founded by terrorists organizations and there was a thing called the Nakba and that, uh, they say it was invented so, because of the Holocaust, and that's not why, because Zionism been around since the early 1800s.

• 46:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  That's right. It's nothing to do with that. That was always a, and they couldn't get, you know, they couldn't get people to move to the middle of the debt and people, nobody wanted to go, the Jews didn't want to go there. So they had to make a deal with Hitler and to, to, to get people to go. So it's, I, I know all that stuff now and I know that it's, uh, you know, why a two-state solution isn't the solution. And, uh, you have to have a one-state solution, which Bernie Sanders, a video just went around of him, uh, saying that he doesn't support a one-state solution because then Israel wouldn't be a Jewish state. What? And he goes, and I support Israel. He said, this is it. This is our, this is our, you know, progressive lefty leader.

• 47:00Tucker Carlson?

  I was shocked by that video. Was that real?

• 47:02Speaker 02

  That's real. Yeah. But he was, uh, you know, he was also, two years earlier to that video, he was, uh, talking to Ezra Klein and he said, yeah, you know, open borders are, that's a, that's a Koch brothers. So it just, it's amazing that the, the real, but he's always been a war monger. He was, you know, Bernie Sanders, he was, he was for Kosovo and all that stuff.

• 47:23Tucker Carlson?

  He was?

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:25Tucker Carlson?

  It's sad. Bernie Sanders, I saw one Bernie Sanders speech in person and it was, you know, in Iowa when he was running in 16 and it was all about the oligarchy is bad and, you know, at the time I had pretty conventional views, but I've never been for oligarchy. Why would I be for that? It's the enemy of democracy. So I was like, you know, and I know a lot of billionaires and some are nice, but most are like gravely overrated and like, I kind of liked his speech, you know, it was pure economic populism.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:54Tucker Carlson?

  And then, so I thought, yeah, I get it. And by the way, the audience was not all like, I don't know, people playing hacky sack or hippies or whatever. It was like normal people. And that really kind of.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  When he was on the anti oligarch tour?

• 48:08Tucker Carlson?

  Totally.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Isn't it amazing that he didn't do any of those anti oligarch tours when Joe Biden was president?

• 48:14Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Kind of amazing. All of a sudden oligarchy is a problem now. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden had more billionaire donors than Trump did, but somehow now it's a problem. And what else they didn't show you was that there were pro Palestinian protesters that they had kicked out of those rallies.

• 48:28Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:30Tucker Carlson?

  So I missed so much of the detail because it's, that's not my world and I didn't expect to feel that way about it. Anyway.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  What I don't understand is, so I went to the 2016, I was a big Bernie Sanders.

• 48:41Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  And just for the record, I'm pretty sure he did oppose the Iraq war. So I don't want people going, he was okay. But, um, you know, he played into the propaganda for the Ukraine war and, and, and anyway, he won't call it a genocide. Anyway, so in Gaza. So, uh, but I was a big Bernie guy, and, um, I believed in him, right? And which is a hard lesson. Don't believe in politicians.

• 49:04Tucker Carlson?

  Amen. Oh, I've, I've learned that lesson. Yes.

• 49:06Speaker 02

  Oh, boy. It's a tough one. And, um, so I went to the Democratic convention in Philadelphia, right? Liberty Bell.

• 49:15Speaker 02

  And it was great. You walked into the convention and half the place was filled with Bernie supporters who wanted to overthrow the establishment, get money out of politics, overthrow the corporatists inside the party and give it back to the people. It was amazing. Then it was real, it was a ruckus. It was a real ruckus.

• 49:33Tucker Carlson?

  I was there, I remember.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  And they turned the lights out on people, they used sound can, all kinds of stuff, right? I was there, you were there?

• 49:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Oh, it was invigorating. I'm like, this is it. We got them. The next time we're gonna have a convention, they can't stop this. This is a trip. Well, what they did was they got Bernie Sanders. So Bernie Sanders tucks his tail, he endorses Hillary Clinton, and he extracts not one concession for doing so. Nothing. He didn't ask for anything for him, for his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton. And it was because Trump, right? Which, you know, the Democrats, they say they hate Trump, but they love him because they're, that's their biggest fundraiser is Donald Trump. Donald Trump goes away, how they gonna, so they have to make another. So not only did he do that, but he did nothing with his movement, right? So he had half the people who voted in the Democratic primary on his side, probably more because he got cheated.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  So he did nothing. He didn't ask, just like Barack Obama when he got elected, he disbanded his followers, right? His young people. Same thing with Bernie Sanders. And he didn't say, alright, what we're gonna do is we're gonna shut it down, we're gonna have a protest here, we're gonna have a protest there, we're gonna go Occupy Wall Street, we're gonna Occupy the DNC, we're gonna make sure they get corporate. He didn't ask them to do anything, anything. And that's how you know. And that he was corrupted and co-opted, put it that way. And so same thing happened in 2020. They all got together, cheated him in a different way this time. And again, he disendorsed Joe Biden without asking any, nothing. We didn't get a public option. We didn't get to raise the minimum wage. We didn't get nothing.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  And so, and he didn't ask his followers to do anything. And he still won't ask his followers to do anything. Just like AOC. They won't say get in the street, they won't say go protest here, go protest there. They're playing along. They're good boys.

• 51:21Tucker Carlson?

  What's AOC's game? What do you think she actually believes?

• 51:25Speaker 02

  She's a narcissist who's using politics for her celebrity. She could easily be an actress in Hollywood. Hundred, hundred percent. Yeah.

• 51:32Tucker Carlson?

  Does she have a shot at the nomination, do you think?

• 51:35Speaker 02

  You know, of course, I think, I, I, why wouldn't she? I mean, she got up there and, and she lied at the, at the D N. So, so let me get back to that. So they didn't have a convention in 2020, right? Because of COVID. So 2016, they have this convention. It looks like the people are going to take over the Democratic Party and return it back to the workers. That's what I thought. I thought there's no way they can stop this. This is a trade that can't be stopped. So then they don't have a convention in 2020. Uh, Bernie capitulates, asked for nothing again. And then the next time they have a convention was 2024. I went to that one in Chicago and you walk in and I'm sure I told you it was like I was at a Stepford Wives convention. Nobody can, I go, I would interview people and I would say, how do you feel about them not having a primary and just appointing Kamala Harris?

• 52:19Speaker 02

  They're like, yeah, but we, we have a process. That's what they would say to a person. They would go, no, we had, she followed the process and we have a process. I'm like, yeah, but that process doesn't involve voting. Doesn't that bother you? Didn't bother anybody.

• 52:32Tucker Carlson?

  Seth Rich was part of the process.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. And they, you know, was this one billionaire after another billionaire giving speeches at the Democratic convention. And to show you how, how failed Bernie Sanders and his movement is. Uh, our revolution, which was the political organization he founded is now, and you know who they're endorsing in the governor's race in California?

• 52:53Tucker Carlson?

  Who?

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Tom Steyer, a billionaire.

• 52:55Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Yes, a billionaire made his money in private prisons. So, uh, that's how bad it's gotten. Uh, so there's, I, I hate to say this, but you know, and unless workers rise up in a real way, their life. So if, if, so that's why I think Trump knows he kind of has to end this war. Because if gas prices go to $10 a gallon, which they could easily go to.

• 53:17Tucker Carlson?

  Easily.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  Um, that, uh, it will, people are like, hey, I can't afford to do any, I can't afford to go anywhere. I can't afford to even drive to work. So that would be that the paid would be so great at that moment. Maybe people would rise up in unison. And, um, so we'll see, but that's what it takes. That's what it's going to take. So, yeah, so 24 convention, it was just like a step, but it was like, oh. It's all they got it. It's all over. And then and then, you know, the AOC goes on stage and says Kamala Harris is working tirelessly to end the to get a peace deal. They weren't doing anything. Right. And she even said, I'm not gonna, I wouldn't change anything that Joe Biden did. She said that on when she ran the view, I wouldn't change anything. So, um.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  A woman who the first time she ran for president could get a vote. She had to drop out. She was like the first one to drop out.

• 54:05Tucker Carlson?

  Never forget it.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  And then she becomes the vice president and then she becomes a nominee and still nobody voted for her.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  So, and because I criticize Democrats, because I was a Democrat my whole life until 2016.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  People immediately go, well, if you're not, if you're going to criticize the Democrats, you must be a Republican. You must be a Trumper. You must be that. I'm like, no, no. I, I, Republicans never asked for my vote. Democrats did, and they, I got tricked by them. I got tricked by Bernie Sanders. I got tricked by AOC, hard. I was the first TV show she came on. Well, I wouldn't call it a TV show, but I was the first show she came on. And she tweeted out, I was on Jimmy Dore Show today and all that stuff. And then as soon as she got elected, she never returned a phone call, never.

• 54:48Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  No, no way. In fact, when I held her to her campaign promise with forced to vote, which was trying to get them to extract something from Nancy Pelosi for their vote as her for speaker when there was only eight. So they, it was called forced to vote. And it was a watershed moment because it proved that no matter how many progressives you elect inside the Democratic Party, they're not going to do what you want them to do. They're not going to even do what they campaigned on, very much like Trump. They're going to go along with the establishment. They wouldn't oppose Nancy Pelosi. They wouldn't extract anything. And the thing that they were, everybody agreed in the Democratic Party for decades, including Nancy Pelosi, that we need to have a vote for Medicare for all on the floor of the House. Not that it would pass, but that it would expose the people who were fakers saying they were for it.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  And it would start a national conversation about it and people get informed about what it actually is and it would help build the movement for it. And they wouldn't do that. They all ran on it. It was at the DSA handbook from 2019. They opposed it. They opposed. And she ran on it. She said, we can't. We get a vote for Medicare. Think about that. She said at a campaign rally. Think about that. We can't even get a vote for Medicare for all on the House floor. She said that. So I'm like, boom, this is the thing to do. And so when I started to force the vote and I got a big coalition of people behind it. And she said I was committing stochastic violence against her.

• 56:09Tucker Carlson?

  No way. I've never really understood what that term means.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  It means that you're exposing them for being hypocrites. And so they have to try to discredit you some way. That's what that means.

• 56:20Tucker Carlson?

  So you're a terrorist for.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  So I'm using, so I'm, I'm, I'm inciting violence against them with words. That's what, that's what they're trying to say. And because I said F, I said F A O C. And she, she used that as a, that's because that's not politics. That's stochastic violence. Okay.

• 56:38Tucker Carlson?

  So what about Newsom?

• 56:41Speaker 02

  I think he's fantastic. Don't you think he's great? I think he cares about the people. I think it's great. I think he's gonna, he's, he's gonna make the country look as pretty as his hair. That's what I think.

• 56:52Tucker Carlson?

  Does he, I mean, it feels like he's the nominee.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  We'll see. I mean, he's got, he's got the gift of the gab.

• 56:59Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, he's unbelievable.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  He really, he really knows how to, to, you know, it's like Obama. Like I would feel better after, after Obama gave his speech. I was like, I feel good and I know he's full of it. And I would feel better even, it's weird. He has that.

• 57:12Tucker Carlson?

  And he'll say literally anything.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Literally anything.

• 57:15Tucker Carlson?

  And he's fun to talk to. Like he's a very, uh, he's very charming. Like I will, yeah, yeah.

• 57:22Speaker 02

  He does all those movements all the time and he's got the hand thing and.

• 57:25Tucker Carlson?

  But is he in any sense like different from Chuck Schumer or Pelosi or anybody like that?

• 57:30Speaker 02

  No, they're all, no, you don't get to be there if you are. You, you're not allowed to be the nominee if you are. If you don't go along and play along, you know, you don't, you know, that's why. Um, in 2016, you know, just like Brexit, uh, that they, democracy happened. And they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we, we gotta make sure this doesn't happen. When Trump got the nomination, they're like, we can't let this happen again. Right? And same thing with Brexit. We can't, and so it's all the crackdown on free speech and anti-democratic stuff and. Did Russiagate, which again, already told you served dual purposes. And then they got, and Trump got his mind right. And, and now Trump is one of them. And the people that he used to call out, people, he, he got elected for calling out neo cons.

• 58:13Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  That was his thing. People like, yes, but finally there's a guy.

• 58:16Tucker Carlson?

  Now he's the chief neo con.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  And people say, and I have to push back on this. A lot of people, you know, have, I still have friends in Hollywood. That I go to dinner with and they're good people because they, you know, they, they have the right intentions, but they don't realize they're propagandized. And their whole thing is all these idiots who voted for, how did you not know he's the biggest con man in the world? And I go, well, he did have a first term, his first term where he didn't start any new wars. So he was the first president in decades that didn't start a new war. Everybody gets two wars. Right? And, uh, you know, Clinton, Bush, Barack Obama, he expanded the Afghanistan war and then he, and he got to do Syria. Plus he did the drone wars, which killed 90% innocent people. And, um, and he dropped more bombs than George Bush. People don't know that.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Barack Obama dropped more bombs than George Bush. And so, and then Trump got in and he didn't do it. You're like, what? And then he, you know, he wanted to pull troops out of Syria and we find out that the military lied to him and said they did, and they didn't. Right? You know about that story?

• 59:15Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  And so it was like, so he had a track record. And I did not, nobody saw that. So people will say they saw it coming that he was always a con man. Um, yeah, what politician isn't a con man?

• 59:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, I agree.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  And but his, his particular presidential campaign was the biggest con I've seen since Nigerian princes learned how to email.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  It was amazing. And people.

• 59:43Tucker Carlson?

  Even more clever than any Nigerian prince I've ever been emailed by.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  He got people way smarter than me, uh, convinced and you know, and, uh, I didn't vote for Trump. I never voted for Republican. I voted for Dave Chappelle. I wrote him in and, um, but, uh, but people think, people who think, uh, people think I did campaign rallies for Donald Trump. I didn't campaign.

• 1:00:03Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I actually did.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:00:05Tucker Carlson?

  A number of them. Yeah.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um.

• 1:00:08Tucker Carlson?

  Then to wake up and substantively, he's no different from Chuck Schumer on economics and foreign policy.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Or Lindsey Graham.

• 1:00:16Tucker Carlson?

  Or Lindsey, or Lindsey Graham. Um, and you're like. Yeah, but Chuck Schumer is like from for the for the Republican brain is like, you know, evil.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Tucker Carlson?

  And it's like, where do Trump and Chuck Schumer disagree on the biggest issues? And they don't. And so.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  They both want to keep you away from healthcare.

• 1:00:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  They both want to do foreign wars. They both support Israel unconditionally and what they're doing. They they both want to crush a worker's strike.

• 1:00:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  They the the so that was why it was so important for Biden and the Democrats to crush that railroad strike because that would have set the template and an example, just like the truckers in Canada, they'd had to stop that immediately, call them Nazis and white supremacists, and they had to de-bank them and shut down the they had to do that because they didn't want that catching on.

• 1:01:06Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  And just like Michael Printy said, they only care about what you think. And if you see that and you start to think different thoughts than the media wants you, they got a problem. And so that's why they crushed that railroad worker's strike immediately. And so that again, this is what we need. We need workers to realize that we have. And and you know, there's this thing now where AOC wouldn't join with Marjorie Taylor Greene to oppose the genocide in Gaza. And she's like, well, she's white supremacy, whatever, you know, this whole thing. And, you know, that's not how you organize, right? And I I experienced that when we had the anti right after the Ukraine war started, we had an anti-war rally in Washington, DC, and Code Pink wouldn't wouldn't join it. Code Pink, their whole thing is to be against war. And they wouldn't join it because there were certain speakers on the lineup that they

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  didn't feel agreed with their views on LGBTQ.

• 1:01:55Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, come on.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  And I'm like. And I'm like, so that revealed, and I love Madea Benjamin.

• 1:02:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I do, too.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  But that organization just proved themselves to be a bunch of cosplaying women.

• 1:02:06Tucker Carlson?

  Totally fraudulent.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Fraud, because that's not how you or everybody knows that, right? It's not how it's like, well, I'd like to stop a nuclear war, but not with those people. You know what I mean? That's it. So it's like, that's, that's what gives it power when you are able to join with people who you don't agree with on other things and vehemently disagree on other things. And you come around a single idea. That's what gives it the power.

• 1:02:29Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  If it's just people that agree with you on everything, they can dismiss you and say, oh, those are those crazy lefties. But if you have these right wingers who don't agree with you, that's what gives it power. And it's like I talk up, you know, I was in unions all my life and what, uh, the, here, here's how you don't organize a union. You don't go to the shop floor and say, hey, uh, who's here is a gun nut. All right, you're out. Who here doesn't, who here doesn't agree with the trans agenda? All right, you're out. Who here's, uh, who doesn't agree with, uh, uh, Medicare for all? Okay, you're out. Who doesn't agree on the war? Okay, you're out. All right, now I'm going to organize who's left. That's not how it works.

• 1:03:04Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  And Christian Smalls proved that when he organized a bunch of right wingers on, on Staten Island, a bunch of Trump voters to go against Jeff Bezos and the oligarchy. You know, that's not how you, you go, you go, hey, we have a common interest and our common interest is against the man. And so we can forget about those other issues and, and we can work on those later. But right now we have a bigger issue and the bigger issue is to oppose this guy. So we can get decent working conditions. We can get healthcare. We can get a decent wage. That helps lift everybody's boat. And so that's what they don't want you to know. That's, that's the thing that, again, that's the only thing that scares people. And I have, you know, my audience is made up of, so I, and I meet them every, when I go out and tour the country. I was just in Raleigh. I was just in Atlanta. I

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  was just in, uh, you know, I was, I was in Houston. I was in Dallas. I was in Albuquerque. I'll go everywhere. And I disaffected Democrats and disaffected Republicans. And the people, uh, the, the disaffected MAGA people, there, there's, you know, they feel so betrayed.

• 1:04:04Tucker Carlson?

  Oh.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  And, you know, that's that thing about, oh, they're such idiots, such con, but it's like, so if I, if, I, like I tell them, at least he had a track record and at least he would give lip service to the things that

• 1:04:15Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  They wouldn't even give lip service to it. Kamala Harris wouldn't even give you lip service.

• 1:04:19Tucker Carlson?

  Well, he was also being persecuted, literally persecuted by the establishment. So the idea that he would join with the establishment Against his own voters seemed like crazy. That could never happen. They're trying to send him to prison for life. So you're like, that, those were his bona fides. His suffering at the hands of the establishment. You never thought he would join them. That's my own thinking.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  That's exactly right. In January 6th, which we now know, which we now know is a FBI psyop.

• 1:04:44Tucker Carlson?

  Totally.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  And Clay Higgins exposed that and on your show even.

• 1:04:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  And, but even before that, he was, you know, questioning the FBI director and how many, how many FBI assets did you have inside the Capitol before the riot started? Can't tell you that. What? The answer should be none.

• 1:05:05Tucker Carlson?

  You would think.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. So of course that, and so they did the same playbook in Brazil, by the way. So again, you don't have to be a Trump fan or a Bolsonaro fan to realize that if they could do it to those people, they'll do it to anybody, which is what I tried to tell Cornel West when he came on my show.

• 1:05:21Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  And he wouldn't listen to it. You know, it's like, if you don't think if they can do this to Donald Trump, that they're not going to do it to you if you ever become a threat? Or they'll do it to Bernie Sanders if he ever becomes a threat? Or Jill Stein? Or anybody? Anybody becomes a threat, they're gonna, they used the exact same playbook on January 6th. They did it to Bolsonaro. They had a fake insurgency that overtook the Capitol and they made it illegal for him to run for president. Again, the same thing they were trying to do to Donald Trump, but they couldn't. They, because he didn't cross that line. He didn't tell people to go. He did. So anyway, that, and people don't, still till to this day, people don't realize that. That it was, the FBI did that. The FBI is not your friend. The FBI, it's amazing what Trump did to the left. Trump got the left to go along with

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  the FBI. All of a sudden, they're the good guys. The CIA, they're the good guys. It's amazing. We know that the FBI infiltrates every lefty organization. And we know, and this idea that it's, we have to worry about right wing terrorists inside the United States. Well, nine out of 10, if not 99 out of 100 of those terrorist happenings are invented by the FBI, just like the Whitmers.

• 1:06:32Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  As you know, they were gonna kidnap her. Turns out nine out of the 13 people in the van were FBI. Of course, I mean, they do this with all, this is over and over and over again. And so, you know, we're a victim of our, and, and the same thing with Big Pharma. The people who went from, from protesting GMOs at our food.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  Flipped and went for, don't you question Big Pharma over the vaccine? How dare you? Don't you even question vaccines? Don't you, I'm like, what? Science, that don't do your own research, which means don't read. And it's the, it's the most anti-intellectual thing and people just accept it. You know, that's what dictators do. That's the, you know, the church didn't want you to read the Bible. You had to go through the

• 1:07:17Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, the priesthood.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  That's right. That's why they didn't allow slaves to learn how to read. It was illegal. And they, and you got people who consider themselves liberal repeating that. Don't do your own research. Don't look into things. Just trust the government, trust the government and trust Big Pharma. And now we know they lied about everything and those people still don't know anything. They still think ivermectin is a horse paste.

• 1:07:37Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  Yes, people tell me on, on, uh, social media all the time. You ruined your reputation over ivermectin. I go, did it ever occur to you that you were lied to about ivermectin? Did it ever occur to you that it's won the Nobel Prize for human medicine? That it's on the WHO list of essential medicines? It's been prescribed a billion times for humans, saved billions alive. Did it ever occur to you that before COVID, they were looking at it to cure cancer? And now there's credible study after credible study that it does cure cancer? The last one, that 80% of the people who took ivermectin for their cancer saw either a complete remission, no growth in their tumor or, or, uh, or recession? I don't know if that's a term, 80%. Uh, so you've been lied to about ivermectin and people, well, now Chris Cuomo will admit that he was,

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  he goes, well, they lied to us. Yeah, Chris, that's why you're supposed to be the journalist and you're not supposed to repeat what they tell you.

• 1:08:30Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:08:31Speaker 02

  You're, you're supposed to actually look into it, which would take five seconds for you to look it up on Google. What is ivermectin? But of course he didn't do that. He just, him and Don Lemon would just scoff at Joe. They had to, to think about this. They had to, they had to color Joe Rogan's skin green. CNN did that when he got COVID. And he got better right away and he did a video. They colored his skin green. You know that, right?

• 1:08:53Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, of course.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that's what a threat, that's a threat to the establishment. And so why would they do that? Why would they, why would they lie about ivermectin and say it's horse paste? Why do you think they did that? They did that because It could treat COVID and then they couldn't get their emergency use authorization for the vaccine. That's why they did that. Same thing with hydroxychloroquine. They wouldn't even let doctors prescribe steroids at the beginning of COVID. I know that because my doctor told me that. And she did it anyway. She went, she gave people and, and they came there and they go, hey, why are you giving? She said, because my patients are living and your patients are dying. And so I could have been, I've been lucky to have good doctors.

• 1:09:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and you saw it early.

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  I got vaccine injured.

• 1:09:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  And that's what, so I wouldn't, I didn't know, I didn't know that they would lie about a virus. I didn't know that they would lie about, I thought, I bought all the stuff about vaccines and everybody, I did that. I didn't know that there was never actually a placebo test for any of the vaccines. I never questioned that they give 72 shots to a baby from the time it's a baby till the time it's 18 for vaccines. I never questioned, why did they give the hepatitis B vaccine, the first shot they give to a baby? You only can catch hepatitis from intravenous drug use or unprotected sex. Are there a lot of whore babies running around hospitals? Is that what's happening? So, and people don't ever think about that. I was at a Hollywood party and I was talking to a doctor and this is before the election. He's where I'm really worried about RFK is going to take away our vaccines. And I said to him, do you know how

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  many vaccines that you have to take now on the schedule? And he's what? I go 72. And his jaw hit the floor. And I go, you know, the first one, just like I said, it's hepatitis B. And he's like, what? Why would they do that? I go, what do you think they do that? For money? What do you think? Because they can't get people to take it. So they just put it on the vaccine schedule. That's how, that's how it got on there. Read the Midwestern Doctor's blog. It explains everything.

• 1:10:40Tucker Carlson?

  The Midwestern Doctor's blog. I just want to plug that. Anyone who hasn't read that on Substack. Midwestern Doctor. Yeah, he's a, I don't think he uses his name.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:10:53Tucker Carlson?

  Right. He's a kind of genius and a very decent person.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, does his own research.

• 1:11:00Tucker Carlson?

  It does his own, he reads.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  He reads. He reads studies.

• 1:11:03Tucker Carlson?

  So speaking of, I just, I have to ask you about this because it's not related to anything we've been talking about, but we're talking at breakfast about Carl Jung, the famous psychoanalyst, who is often described as the protege of Sigmund Freud, but a little more complicated, right? Exactly.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  No, they're completely different. He broke with, with Freud big time. In fact, Freud disowned him.

• 1:11:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, and hated him and was jealous of him. Who was he? Why do you read him?

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  So Carl Jung, by the way, it's very interesting how it connects to COVID. Because he realized that your psyche has a need for the sacred and the religion. And he said, if you don't have that, if you don't have a connection to that, that you will project it outward. And what's exactly what happened. So, you know, liberals, the people I know in Hollywood, they're not, you know, spiritual, religious. And so they turned science into a religion.

• 1:12:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  And they turned Fauci into their deity. And so you can't question it. You can't question religion. You're a heretic. So you can't question science. Don't do your own research. Don't read the Bible. Don't read the... All that, it's the same, it was the... And I saw it happen right in front of my face. And so Carl Jung is, he was way ahead of his time. And so we share the same birthday, which he would say is a synchronicity.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  But I had a quote from him on my fridge for years, and I never understood it.

• 1:12:31Tucker Carlson?

  But it stayed on your fridge?

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I guess I had a feeling there was something. And he said, you know, enlightenment doesn't come from imagining forms of light. It comes from making the darkness conscious. And until you make the darkness conscious, it will control your life and you'll call it fate. And so it's all about all the parts of ourselves that are split off and we put into our unconscious or our shadow self. And then we project it. So the things we hate the most and the things we love the most are really a religious experience, religious meaning rejoined. So we project a part of ourselves that's in our unconscious onto a thing, onto another person. And that's why you see the people who were the most animated in their hatred for Trump had Trump in their shadow, right? That's the part of them that they...

• 1:13:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  You know, Keith Olbermann, you know, people, those kind of people, right? So they have that. And so they project it because that's the part of themselves they hate the most, right? And so same thing when you love something, like when a male falls in love, that, you know, love at first sight, that's you're projecting a thing called your anima. That's your female side that's in your unconscious and you project it onto another person. And you feel that like you're being energized from the inside because... You are and and then you get married and then of course the projections fall off and you're like, who's this person that married? That's what happens to a lot of people, right? And that's what happens in midlife, right? A lot of guys in midlife, they have an anima projection and they feel like I can't live without this person because it's a connection to their

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  own soul. Your anima represents your soul. And so it's and you're like, well, how could I, how can I, you know, disavow my own this, this relationship because it feels like if I do, I'll die. And it's their first connection to their, their own self, a religious rejoining of their conscious mind with their unconscious mind. And so Carl Jung knew we had a soul, knew there's a God, which, you know, Freud was totally against all that. Freud was afraid that people would not take them seriously and dismiss them as mystics and whatever. And Jung wasn't. Jung had mystical experiences. He had direct experiences of the divine. And he saw

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  the people at the clergy when he was a kid that didn't. He saw that they didn't. He, he knew he had direct experience. If you read memories, dreams, reflections, he talks about

• 1:14:54Tucker Carlson?

  His autobiography.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, he talks about how he, the clergy, they were just, they were all empty, especially his father. And he would, when he would question it, his father was like, he didn't have answers and he didn't want him to talk about it. And he could see how empty they were, that they was, there was just dogma that didn't, they didn't have direct experience of the divine. And he did. And I've had that since I started reading Jung and I thought, so I've been going inward, right? So Jung says he looks outward, dreams, he goes inward, awakens. And so I have a direct connection to the divine. I've had numinous experiences and

• 1:15:38Tucker Carlson?

  What's a numinous experience?

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  A numinous, it's, it's like a sacred, a sacred spiritual happening that kind of happens to you against your own will.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  And it takes you over, right? If, and that's, I've experienced that, like when I quit smoking pot, people are like, why'd you quit smoking pot? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I felt like there was some outside force telling me to do it, and it was hard. So people who say that marijuana isn't addictive, it is. I was at least six months before I could sleep. And it was horrible. I was in bad shape and I just, I just knew I had to quit.

• 1:16:10Tucker Carlson?

  How did you know?

• 1:16:11Speaker 02

  I just, again, like I said, I just had this outside, I felt like there was something guiding me to do this. And so I did. And, um, you know, your dreams are your psyche, or as Jung would call it, the self with a capital S, meaning, um, you know, the divine talking to you and speaking to you in symbols. And we share a collective, so you have a, you have a personal unconscious, right? The things that you personally split off from your own personality and put in your unconscious and your shadow. And then you have a collective unconscious, which Joseph Campbell also talked about.

• 1:16:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  And he was the, my first entree into this was Joseph Campbell. And he talked about how, you know, different societies who had no way of connecting with each other, uh, use the same symbolism to explain life and the spiritual.

• 1:17:01Tucker Carlson?

  Literally, in a way, that's spooky.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  Spooky.

• 1:17:03Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, it's shocking.

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  And Jung figured that out, that we had, uh, we have a collective unconscious, meaning there's only one consciousness, right? So you're not, there's not, uh, your consciousness and then the God conscious. There's just one consciousness and we're a part of it. And the fact that you think you're separate from it is a mistake. And so we're part of it. And as we evolve our consciousness, uh, we evolve the world's consciousness, right? Because we all share a collective unconscious. And one of the ways he figured it out was that, um, he would have dreams and there would be symbols in his dreams. And he didn't know what they meant, but he could tell that they were meaningful. And then he, he was reading about the alchemists. Now, everybody thought the alchemists were trying to turn lead into gold, but what they

• 1:17:48Speaker 02

  were really trying to do was turn psychological lead into gold, and they had to do it, hide it from the church. And so he, they had figured out what some of these symbols meant, and he saw them write about the symbols that he was seeing in his own dreams. And he was like, oh my God, I'd never read this before. How would I know about this symbol to show up in my? So that's when he started to figure out that we all share a consciousness.

• 1:18:09Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  That there is one consciousness, there's the one. And so it's, it's pretty heavy.

• 1:18:15Tucker Carlson?

  You get glimpses of that, I think, occasionally. People in the course of daily life get just a flash that somehow there's a connection between all peoples.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  There, there is only, you know, it's like, it's like we're hairs on the human head thinking we're separate, right? They're all, you're all part of the same head, you're all part of the same body. It's all, we're all part of the same consciousness, there's only one. And so, um, and we've, you know, split ourselves off from it. We split that into our unconscious. And so if you go into your unconscious, and one of the great ways is to go into your dreams and, and, and, and see what they're saying to you and treat it, and, you know, like Rumi said, um, what you seek seeks you. And so the more attention you pay to your unconscious, uh, the more it will rise up to meet you. And so I've had numinous experiences. I've, I've had this experience, the divine.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  I've experienced my encounters with archetypal figures in my dreams that have guided me.

• 1:19:14Tucker Carlson?

  How did quitting smoking pot after so many years affect your dreams?

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  Well, they became way more vivid and more often.

• 1:19:21Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so I'm a, I mean, I, so I, I speak with a Jungian, uh, psychoanalyst once a week, and he used to be the head of the Jung Center in, in Los Angeles. And he's remarked to me, you know, often, um, that, you know, you're one of the most prolific dreamers that I've ever encountered. And often when I'm telling him about dreams, he'll just go, oh my God. Like he says that a lot. And, uh, so it's been a real awakening and I realize that, uh, I'm not separate from the divine. I realize that I'm not this body, um, that I have an eternal soul and even though this body dies, that I don't die, uh, that death is the, not the opposite of life.

• 1:20:06Speaker 02

  Death is the opposite of birth. Life has no opposite. It's eternal. And so once you realize that, it changes a lot of things.

• 1:20:14Tucker Carlson?

  Like what?

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Uh, it changes how I look at everything. I look at the oneness of everything. I look at this isn't permanent. Uh, this, this body is not permanent, that I have an everlasting soul that I have to pay attention to, that I have to get in touch with, and fills my life with real meaning. And, um, you know, a part of it too is-

• 1:20:36Tucker Carlson?

  This is your most radical position of all the radical things you've said since we sat down. This is the most counterculture thing you could say.

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  Well, people think they need a priest, or they need a preacher, or a church, which is all good, the community is good. Um, but you don't need them, because you already have a connection to the divine within you, and that's where you need to go. And once you realize that, then you don't need them. That's which is why they don't tell you about that. And Jesus said, that, where did he say the kingdom of heaven is, Tucker? The kingdom of heaven is in you.

• 1:21:06Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:21:07Speaker 02

  You are the light of the world, and what I do, you will do and greater. And, and, and people, they don't, they don't need you to know that, which is why they got rid of the parts of the Bible that tell, talk about that kind of thing. And, uh, so, it's, it's, uh, I, I, I was a, you know, I was a Sam Harris atheist for, I was brought up Catholic, went to Catholic school for 12 years, it never spoke to me, and the people who seemed to be most Catholic seemed not to really embody it, you know? Uh, and so, I was, I was an atheist. I thought, I thought this was it, this is it. And when you're dead, you're dead. And, and now I realize, no, this is-

• 1:21:48Tucker Carlson?

  What changed your mind? That's a big change.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  Well, I had this big dream. Um, it usually starts with a big dream. So, I had this dream, I was kneeling down in front of my house, in front of the bushes, I had a fish hook on a string, and I was dragging it through the dirt in front of my bushes. And I'm, in my dream, I'm thinking, what am I doing? What am I looking for? And then I saw underneath the dirt, I saw it start moving, like there was an animal underneath there. And I was like, what the heck? And, uh, all of a sudden, this black cat emerged. And it was all grimy and it had like an oil like substance on it. And I'm like, how could it be even breathing? How could it be under there for so long and not be dead? And then it got up and walked around like, well, it's, it's okay. It's, it's alive and willing. And

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  so what that, so I knew that meant something. I didn't know what I, I sought out, I started reading Jung. I sought out Rebecca Egan, who helped me understand Jung. I got a Jungian analysis. And so that was, you know, what you seek is seeking you. That was the, the divine, the unconscious telling me you're ready. You're ready to go into your darkness. You're ready to go into your shadow. You're ready to go into your unconscious. You don't know what you're gonna find there. And it's probably gonna be scary. And you don't want to find it. But it's there. And it's ready for you to now take the next step in your conscious evolution. And so here I am, and I'm doing it.

• 1:23:13Tucker Carlson?

  That's, what kind of reaction did you get from your friends?

• 1:23:19Speaker 02

  Um, they don't know, they don't really say, you know, I, I don't really have these kind of conversations very often. I have them on my podcast with people. Like there's, I have a book club where we read Carl Jung. And we go through it and we talk about it. It's really, it's, it's my favorite thing to do in the world. If I could just do that, I would just do that.

• 1:23:38Tucker Carlson?

  You would just read Carl Jung and talk about it?

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  Just read Carl Jung and talk about it. Because that's what it's really all about. Yeah.

• 1:23:45Tucker Carlson?

  That's so different from the world you've lived in, though.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I, again, I was an atheist. I didn't know. I didn't know that, you know, they asked Carl Jung, is there a God? Do you believe in God? He said, I don't believe I know. Because he experienced God. He went from 1913 to 1917. He was, you know, I don't know how to describe it. I've described it as he could give himself a, you know, a psychedelic trip in a way. He could somehow consciously access his unconscious. He could meet the archetypal figures in your unconscious, your anima. If you're a male, your soul, he would say, is your, is your anima, which is your female, your feeling function. It's real and it's autonomous and it's in your unconscious. And if you're a female, It's your anima, which is the male counterpart.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  And so he encountered these, these figures in his, and I've encountered some of them. So I had one of those experiences. So, um, you know, it was scary. It's scary to go into your shadow. And the things you hate about yourself that you realize you've been projecting on to other people.

• 1:24:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  And so the, the idea is.

• 1:24:51Tucker Carlson?

  Boy, that's so, that's like so familiar to anyone who's self-aware. You do, we all do that.

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the, the idea is you make it conscious. This darkness, this part of you that you hate, you make it conscious and you integrate. You don't judge it because it's also positive in a sense. You, you, and you integrate it into your conscious mind. So you don't have to project it on anybody anymore. And your, your, your consciousness is, you, you become, so that goal isn't to become a better person. The goal is to become a more whole person and not split off from who you are. And so that's a, to me, that's the, that's the goal to be, to, to make the unconscious conscious, integrated. And even though you might think it's a bad part of yourself, like, you know, I've been dealing with the, the unrestrained masculine.

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  Right. Which causes fights and me to be extra aggressive when I don't need to be. And, but you need that part. You need to be able to set boundaries. You need to be able to be angry when you need it. But you need to be aware that where it's coming from, so it doesn't come out sideways and wreck your life. And even if you think it's negative, it's good in a sense. For instance, right? So the part, look, I always give the example of, um, so like you have this, you have shit in your unconscious. Oh, that stuff is smelly and dirty. I don't want to know that's part of me. But, and what helps a rose grow? You need manure.

• 1:26:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  And so out of manure comes a beautiful rose. So you just have to know how to use it. Right? Just like electricity.

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  If, I don't know, I'm not an electrician. So if I tried to wire your house, it'd burn down.

• 1:26:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  Right? But if somebody knows how to do it, it'll light up the whole house and the whole world. Right? So you gotta know how to use it. And so it's that power, so that darkness comes creativity and it also can help you blossom. And so you need, so it's the idea again is to become whole. And that's, and most people don't do, and it's hard work because you don't want to see. And you know, a lot of guilt comes with it, right? Because you find out that in your past, you've done things that hurt your own soul. And you feel guilty about it. And I've, I've had that, right? Where I, I realized through my dreams that I've prioritized career or material possessions over my own soul.

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  And the overwhelming guilt that I felt in my dreams, and Jung talks about this, that part of becoming conscious is being able to handle guilt. And I just, I was like, oh my God. And so, um, it's, it's, people don't want to do this work because it's painful, right? And they don't teach this and they teach, uh, they teach Freud because it's easier.

• 1:27:36Tucker Carlson?

  Teach materialism.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  They don't, they don't teach Jung. Carl Jung was about, you know, your soul and your religious experience, your numinous experience, the encounter with the divine. And if you don't have that, you're going to project it, just like people did during COVID.

• 1:27:52Tucker Carlson?

  It, it does seem, I'm not alleging a conspiracy, but there is a concerted, organized effort to eliminate any consideration of the transcendent, the eternal, the divine from people's consciousness, like just never mentioned. It's considered a crackpot even to talk about that, the idea that there's, you know, a world that we can't see, that's meaningful, that we're connected in any way other than physically. I mean, I don't think there's ever been a society as determined to deny the eternal as ours is.

• 1:28:24Speaker 02

  Well, there's this guy, I, I, his name is Bill Donahue and he's dead now, but um, he talked about, um,

• 1:28:34Speaker 02

  that everybody says they believe in the, in, you know, spirits and the Lord and the Holy Spirit and angels. And then when they show up, you're like, oh, it's crazy.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  And I was like, yeah, that's exactly what they do. But just don't forget, the kingdom of heaven is inside you. It's not outside you, it's inside you. You are the light of the world.

• 1:28:57Tucker Carlson?

  When did this come to you?

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  It was right before COVID, right when COVID started, I had that big dream. And then I started to go into my unconscious.

• 1:29:07Tucker Carlson?

  Do you notice people around you starting to ask questions have thoughts like this? It does feel like more people are thinking about this.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  I have noticed, you know, unfortunate, yes, but they have questions, but they they seek it. You know, the answers in the wrong places, you know, and they go into organized religion. And I think, you know, again, I'm not, I'm not here to put down religion. I think people need community. But, you know, too often it's a, it's about control and that you you need to get to God. You need to come through me, which is, you know, you don't need, you don't need anybody or anything. You have a connection to the divine and it's inside, it's not external.

• 1:29:48Tucker Carlson?

  Everyone feels that on some level. Okay, so I want to end by ask-

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  And I'm not, I'm not an expert on any of this stuff, by the way.

• 1:29:54Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I'm not either.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:54Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  I just know what I've experienced.

• 1:29:56Tucker Carlson?

  It's just kind of weird, speaking of the collective consciousness, that a lot of people I know, like more than 10, started having thoughts like this right around or just before COVID.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:30:08Tucker Carlson?

  Almost like people were being prepared for what was coming and gaining a new vocabulary with which to explain it and understand it. People who had never thought about anything like this at all, who were totally wrapped up in material concerns, like the ones you mentioned, accumulating wealth, succeeding at work, you know, just whatever, what we're trained to do. A lot of people I know, all of a sudden are like, hmm, praying? Maybe that's a real thing? Maybe I should listen to voices whose sources I can't see, stuff like that.

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. Again, you know, Carl Jung realized at a young age that he had thoughts that he didn't think himself, that he had placed in his head by God. And he had a direct experience with God. And so I've had those experiences. And not only-

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  Do I experience God in my dreams? But I realize that everything is a reflection of God. Everything is God in my conscious life and my unconscious life. God is everywhere, everything. The kingdom of heaven is laid upon earth, but the eyes of men don't see it. So it's now, you know? Now is the time to, to meet God, to know the divine and to know your, you know, your true identity. It's, it's, it's scary, you know, to, to do that. I had this dream.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  I had several dreams that completely changed my life. One of them, at the beginning, I was scared, you know, of this journey. And I was in the jungle. There was a clearing in the jungle and I was sitting there and out from the jungle came this like, it was like half human, half ape, but the head, the head was like a lion. And I was like, and it came over to me and it put his hand out. And I was like, oh, it's gonna crush me. You know, I was afraid it's gonna crush me. But it took my hand very gently and walked me into the jungle. And I'm like, what the hell is this mean, you know? And a couple of weeks later, I'm reading a book. And there was that symbol, that the lion face, the half ape. I'm like, what?

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  And it's a myth raic, that's called a myth raic God. And so that's part of the collective unconscious. That's like this archetype that we all share in our collective unconscious. We're one consciousness that we all share. And I'm like, oh, my God. And so I interpreted that to mean that

• 1:32:39Speaker 02

  it's okay, it's gonna be safe to go into the jungle of your unconscious. And I'll be there with you to help you and guide you. And it, you know, so that was just one thing. I have many things like that. That's one of them. And when I saw that picture, I'm like, oh, my God, that was the thing in my dream. And so that's one of those things. I had no knowledge of that. I'd never seen a picture of that before. I never, and but there it was in my dream in a meaningful way.

• 1:33:04Tucker Carlson?

  Wow, that's wild.

• 1:33:05Speaker 02

  It was wild. I know people think you're crazy when you talk about this stuff.

• 1:33:08Tucker Carlson?

  No, yeah, on one level, for sure, it's it's forbidden. It's way more forbidden than criticizing Israel. I mean, this is the actual, no, it's true, though. This is the actual third rail, I think, is to admit that you've had experiences with the divine or with a realm that's not physical. Or people are like, come on now. But everyone knows it's true.

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  Yep. And again, I go back to everybody, you know, believes in the Holy Spirit, everybody believes. But then when it shows up, like, oh, what are you, nuts? You think you talk to spirits? And you know, stuff like that.

• 1:33:41Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, other countries are different. It's like, yeah, of course, of course you do. So let me just ask you about this country or the West, more, you know, the liberal democracies that resemble ours, every one of them is coming apart. Every one of them has reached kind of the end of a life cycle. They're not serving their people at all. All of this is, this whole project is being.

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  They've become the fascists that they were supposed to be. I mean, they're canceling elections when they don't turn out the way they want.

• 1:34:08Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  You know, they're they're they're doing austerity now in Europe and Germany, and they're ratcheting up for a war with Russia. Jeffrey Sachs just wrote an open letter to to the to Germany, like, hey, stop this.

• 1:34:20Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know. I know. And they'll ignore him.

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  And of course they will.

• 1:34:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, what a good man he is.

• 1:34:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:26Tucker Carlson?

  Um, yeah, liberal democracy has turned out to be neither liberal nor democratic.

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  They're illiberal.

• 1:34:30Tucker Carlson?

  They're illiberal and undemocratic.

• 1:34:33Speaker 02

  Just like they proved during COVID.

• 1:34:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  They immediately censorship, shut up, don't ask questions, don't talk against the establishment, and take an experimental medical treatment against your own will, or you can't go to work, you can't travel, you can't go to school. That's that's Nazi stuff.

• 1:34:48Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, of course.

• 1:34:49Speaker 02

  And again, if it works, you take it. Why do you need me to take it? So the medicine works on you. That never made any sense. It will never make any sense.

• 1:34:57Tucker Carlson?

  Because actually, it's not your body or your choice.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  Well, they they stop saying, so you stop, you notice that around COVID, they stopped saying I'm pro-choice, and they literally started saying I'm pro-abortion.

• 1:35:09Tucker Carlson?

  That's when I was like, I'm out. Whatever this is, is, is too dark for me. But, okay, so all of this, I think, thanks in part to your tireless efforts for the past six years, is now pretty obvious to most people who are paying attention that this system is fake, it's not serving its intended beneficiaries. And it's kind of over. So then the question becomes, well, what next? And how do we get there? And the two potential paths are violent revolution, which I'm opposed to, or somehow using this broken system to improve or replace the broken system.

• 1:35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:43Tucker Carlson?

  And what?

• 1:35:46Speaker 02

  Well, Larry Fink is afraid of a violent

• 1:35:48Tucker Carlson?

  Oh.

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Revolution.

• 1:35:49Tucker Carlson?

  They're all afraid of it.

• 1:35:50Speaker 02

  He, he said that they, they're gonna start drone bombing these data centers. He's afraid of that.

• 1:35:55Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:56Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, cuz they, cuz they know how hated they are.

• 1:35:59Speaker 02

  You know, and they, they did, and Jeff, Jeff Bezos did this softball interview. If you would see NBC last week or two weeks ago, and he talked about how if I pay more taxes, it's not gonna help the nurse in Queens and all that stuff, you know? And he goes, if I do my job right, it's gonna help people more than my philanthropy. Oh, really? If you do your job right? You know what the turnover rate in a Amazon fulfillment center is? Hundred and fifty percent.

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, hundred to a hundred and fifty percent. Every year. So that means every eight months, hundred percent new workers. And so why do one third of your workers, the richest guy in the world, are on government assistance?

• 1:36:35Tucker Carlson?

  Why am I subsidizing your employees?

• 1:36:37Speaker 02

  Exactly right. Same, you know, same thing you hear about Walmart. Same, this is the country we've devolved into when you have a government by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs, and the workers get screwed. So that's where we're in. And exactly what I said before, the, oh, bless you.

• 1:36:51Tucker Carlson?

  Excuse me.

• 1:36:52Speaker 02

  The only way to do this is if people realize that they have a common humanity with their neighbor, don't fall for it that your neighbor is the white supremacist Nazi racist that you have to oppose and that they're the enemy. No, they're again, suffering under the same conditions you're suffering under. Join with them, oppose those people, the WEF globalists who actually run everything. You know, it's funny, people talk about communism, you don't get choice. People think- Think back to, but capitalism has led us to the same thing. There's three companies that own everything. Vanguard, State Street, and BlackRock. That's the real boss. So Trump has a boss. They are, and I try to tell people that, you know, the Congress is that they're not, when they get, they're not doing the bidding when they have a session of Congress.

• 1:37:35Speaker 02

  People go, oh, do you think they have secret meetings where they plan this stuff? Well, yes, actually they do. It's called Davos. It's called the Bilderbergs. We, now we know that's real. The people just think that was crazy.

• 1:37:45Tucker Carlson?

  Big time.

• 1:37:45Speaker 02

  But, but I go, I used to say, it's, no, it's just a session of Congress. You think when they get together, they're doing the bidding of students or workers or the elderly. They're in there doing the bidding of the oligarchs, the donor class, the people who actually were their bosses, and it ain't you.

• 1:38:01Tucker Carlson?

  That's just a fact. That's no longer, I don't think there's a single word you just uttered that could be quibbled with even. It's just, it's all proven now. But because it is proven, that means it can't continue under the current terms. So I don't think, given everything you've said, you want violence. But is it inevitable? Like, how do we get out of this?

• 1:38:23Speaker 02

  Well, John, John F. Kennedy said those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable, right? Or some version of that.

• 1:38:30Tucker Carlson?

  Certainly true.

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  And so, you know, we have more guns in this country than people.

• 1:38:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  So in a sense, that's good because the government's supposed to fear the people, not the other way around.

• 1:38:39Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:38:40Speaker 02

  When you fear your government, that's tyranny. And right now, I think people do fear their government.

• 1:38:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  Again, I'm not calling for a violent revolution, but I, you know, I think we, if workers come together, you have to shut down the machine. And if you can shut down the machine in a meaningful way, if all the truckers stop trucking, if all the railroad workers stop going to work, port workers, that's how you gain control of your, but you see, they gave them the port workers, they gave them a nice contract right before Trump got into office. So they, they, they see it coming, right? And so they, they good day. Oh, we don't want them to get upset. We don't want them to, so, or if all the teachers didn't go to work. If all the grocery store workers didn't go to work, you know, that's the only way. If you, if, if anybody else has another idea, let me know. I'll be all for it.

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  But to me, that's the way that, that history proves that you can have peaceful revolution.

• 1:39:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I would just correct you on the no teachers that we actually did have a time for over a year when the teachers didn't go to work and they and the people in charge really enjoyed it because ignorant kids mean more viable kids. But I but critical like true critical functions. If they stop working, maybe we'll force people to pay attention.

• 1:39:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, remember who the essential workers are?

• 1:39:55Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:39:55Speaker 02

  It's not middle management.

• 1:39:56Tucker Carlson?

  No. Is it the consultant class?

• 1:40:00Speaker 02

  No, it is not.

• 1:40:01Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, it's not?

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  It's not the professional managerial class.

• 1:40:04Tucker Carlson?

  What about the private equity people?

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  No, no, they are not essential.

• 1:40:08Tucker Carlson?

  You couldn't. I don't even know if you could have a tax protest now because the government isn't funded through taxes.

• 1:40:14Speaker 02

  Right, they just print the money.

• 1:40:15Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  Did you see that video where they asked, I forget the guy's name, but it was Joe Biden's economic advisor and someone that said, hey, if we print our own money, why do we borrow it? And he was like for five minutes, he's like, well, that's a good, we print money, we definitely print money, we definitely borrow money. And he goes, I don't know, that's a good question. He couldn't answer the question. You ever seen that video?

• 1:40:36Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:40:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:40:37Tucker Carlson?

  But I've actually wondered myself.

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  I wonder it too. They could just create money, quantitative easing, they just invented it. Of course, they don't give that money to you.

• 1:40:46Tucker Carlson?

  No, they give it to the banks.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  And and so what people don't realize, people fear socialism because they fear it's going to take money from the haves and give it to the have nots. But what our our version of capitalism has done, this oligarchy, it's an upward transfer of wealth. That's what happened during COVID. An upward transfer. How many billionaires got invented? It's and it's continuing. It's an upward transfer of wealth to from the working class to the oligarchs. That's where we're in right now with three companies that run everything.

• 1:41:15Tucker Carlson?

  So again, I don't see that as overstatement. Like, I think that's just true, what you said. So I don't know. I'm very concerned because I do think the people who are benefiting are so rigid. That's what I have the main thing I notice, how rigid they are. They can't handle any disagreement whatsoever.

• 1:41:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:41:35Tucker Carlson?

  No, like Teddy Roosevelt rolls in and he's like a product of the ruling class. He is the ruling class. He becomes president by default. The president's assassinated 1901 and he becomes president, he's like, look, this system will collapse unless we give a little bit.

• 1:41:50Tucker Carlson?

  And he was the only president of American history able to make that case. And he kind of did adjust it enough that it continued another, well, 125 years.

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:59Tucker Carlson?

  But I don't see the current rulers as capable of that kind of subtlety or sacrifice or nuance or even just like intelligence. They're too stupid to understand. They're screwing themselves by being this rigid. That's my view.

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  Well, it's the, you know, also FDR saw that there was a revolution of the workers. And he was afraid that he told his ruling class, hey, this is coming here.

• 1:42:23Tucker Carlson?

  Big time.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  If you don't give people some of your money, if you don't give them some of their money, they're going to take all of your money.

• 1:42:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:42:29Speaker 02

  And so he gave people jobs. He created the jobs program and created social security.

• 1:42:33Tucker Carlson?

  CCC.

• 1:42:34Speaker 02

  Yes, and things like that. And, but then they also at the same time went on a tear to get rid of the communists, right?

• 1:42:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:40Speaker 02

  And because they were a very force for, so not, not that anybody's for communism, but you need that kind of counterbalance.

• 1:42:47Tucker Carlson?

  And the economic populace above all.

• 1:42:49Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:42:49Tucker Carlson?

  So Huey Long somehow gets assassinated before the 1936 presidential campaign by his own bodyguards. Kind of weird.

• 1:42:56Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:42:57Tucker Carlson?

  Um, sorry, excuse me. But, uh, but I just, but, but either Roosevelt, you know, they're different, but like they have the same impulse, which is this system is out of whack and it's going to get taken down by force unless we adjust it a little bit. And I don't see the current, I don't see Larry Fink's capable of doing that. Do you?

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  Not quite the opposite, right? It's more, you know, capitalism always, it at the end stage devolves into fascism, which is where we are. The surveillance state, these data centers, flock cameras, they built 80 billion dollars for ICE to get the illegal immigrants. By the way, they're not.

• 1:43:38Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  And so why do they, so what is that police force? It's for you.

• 1:43:42Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  Right? And so when you wake up and so now they're, they're going to make you a terrorist. You're going to, you're going to be an anti technological terrorist, just like they had eco terrorists, people who've, and so you're going to be the terrorist and those prisons are for you because they're not getting, they want the illegal immigrants here because they want cheap labor. That's always a joke. They're not getting rid of them. That's all, all that stuff where they're shooting people, that's all for show, right? That's not, that you are the target. And that's what those prisons are for. And you know, we got their own private Gestapo called ICE. And what could go wrong? You take 50,000 TGI Friday bouncers and give them guns, masks and unmarked cars and turn them loose.

• 1:44:20Tucker Carlson?

  Well, because the truth is that illegal immigrants, you know, the guys like hiring at a day rate out of, you know, Home Depot parking lot, you know, there's a lot of drunk driving, but in general, not that unruly a group.

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  Correct. Those are people looking to work.

• 1:44:35Tucker Carlson?

  You know who's unruly is like you. You're unruly. No, I'm serious. You're born here. You have a birthright. You feel totally entitled to demand that your government serve your interests because you own the government. Like you're a huge problem. But you and people like you.

• 1:44:50Speaker 02

  Well, that's why they tapped into my phone using Pegasus.

• 1:44:54Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:44:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, that actually happened. So when I spoke at the UN Security Council, I did it via Zoom. I was in Italy at the time. And it was on the anniversary of the Nord Stream pipeline bombing.

• 1:45:04Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  And so they, uh, they asked me to speak Russia. Uh, and so I accepted and I gave a speech and I gave it to them, you know, like you're all dupes and idiots. If you think that this was done by Russia and the fact that, you know, Germany would bend their knee and let them to wreck their own economy. Now they're paying two and three times higher for and to go along with this and you're all morons. And I basically used that language. And so on the plane ride home on my, had my laptop, I used to, at that time I used to travel with my laptop. I don't anymore. And it said, uh, MacBook the now controls your iCloud account. And I was like, what, what is this? I don't even know what the heck. So I get off, I call my IT guy,

• 1:45:45Speaker 02

  who is a former, uh, in military intelligence, right? And his whole job is to try to crack into companies, computer system to find vulnerabilities. So I call him and I tell him, I go, hey, did this happen? And he goes, oh my God, Jimmy, even I couldn't do that. And I said, what, what? And so I, he, I give him my computer, I give him my phone. And he said, that was Pegasus. And I go, well, who did this? He goes, it wasn't a person.

• 1:46:08Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  It's because this was a state actor.

• 1:46:10Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:11Speaker 02

  And I was like, and so it happened immediately after I testified, uh, at the UN Security Council. And so that's why I have two phones now, right? So one's the phone. So now they got me, Tucker. By the way, if I ever become, uh, a threat, they got me. They either have all my compromising material and my iCloud on my computer, on my phone, or they planted something. So they got me, right? So I gotta, so if you'll know if I'm arrested or if some big scandal comes out, it's because I now have become an actual threat.

• 1:46:43Tucker Carlson?

  No, that's so true. We, I did an interview with Glenn Greenwald the last summer here, and he was tough on the foreign policy questions and tough on Netanyahu. Literally the next day.

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  That's, that's exactly right.

• 1:46:58Tucker Carlson?

  This tape comes out of, you know, super embarrassing Glenn Greenwald sex tape, which I didn't watch, but I just want to say how much I love Glenn. Those aren't connected?

• 1:47:07Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:47:08Tucker Carlson?

  By the way, the first person to defend him, the first person to defend him was Charlie Kirk, which is just incredible.

• 1:47:15Speaker 02

  Charlie Kirk, the new Seth Rich, you're not allowed to ask questions about that.

• 1:47:18Tucker Carlson?

  Charlie Kirk is the evangelical, pretty darn anti-gay. And then Glenn Greenwald comes out with a gay sex tape, and Charlie Kirk is the first guy to be like, Glenn Greenwald's a good man. Man, I thought that was, ah, makes me emotional thinking about it.

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, Charlie had started to have an awakening.

• 1:47:37Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, you think?

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  He had a lot younger than I had it.

• 1:47:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  And so that's why they had to kill him. And, and when I say they, I mean multiple. There was a conspiracy to kill him. It wasn't some guy Tyler Robinson with his grandpa's rifle, which was never fired, which is why they couldn't find that rifle. You have to swallow so much stuff to believe the story that the establishment is pushing for Charlie Kirk's assassination. You have to think that this, first of all, a 30-06 bullet didn't take his head clean off or leave a drive-through window in the back of his neck. Somehow he had a miracle, he could, his miracle bullet, remember that? Hey, can, can you give me an explanation of why his head didn't blow off without a miracle? Do you have an actual explanation? No. So, but it goes back to, so this guy gets to the campus.

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  He, he drives three, all of a sudden he wakes up one day and goes, you know what, I'm going to commit the biggest public assassination in the last 60 years. He drives to the campus, he finds the open stairwell. It's open, nobody's there. He, he brings the gun up, but it's too big, so he has to take it apart and put it in his backpack. Still too big for his backpack. So he has to put it down his pant legs is what they tell. But then if he did, he couldn't jump, go up the steps because he couldn't bend his knees. So I don't know how he got it up there. Nobody will tell me. So he gets up there and then he changes his clothes. He's up on top of that roof for 10 minutes. That's according to the governor. He was up there for eight to 10 minutes. Nobody sees him. The cops don't see him. The million dollar security team doesn't see him. Nobody sees him except people in the crowd did see him. And they don't tell you that. People, just like in Butler, Pennsylvania, people in the crowd saw him. Guess who didn't see him?

• 1:49:08Speaker 02

  The cops, the local cops, the state cops, the secret service. People see it. So, um, and then he like, so he puts the gun together. He lines up the shot, puts a scope on it. By the way, if that scope was on it, he couldn't fire that gun because of the same. Anyway, so he lines it up, takes the shot, hits it perfect, perfectly, takes the gun apart, leaves the screwdriver there, puts it under a towel, Spider-Man's his way off the top of a building, runs across campus with the gun apparently under a towel. Nobody sees this. He runs into the woods, puts the gun back together again without the screwdriver. He's a regular MacGyver, this guy. And then he hides the gun in the backyard of a house owned by Palantir. And if you think anything else besides that, you're a crazy Jew-hating conspiracy nut.

• 1:49:52Speaker 02

  Do you know that the, uh, they had, they were, they had the gun, the gun sniffing dogs, right? The, that, and which they can, they could sniff a gun that was fired a week earlier in the rain, right? They were looking all over. They couldn't, they didn't find it. The FBI shows up a minute later, we got the gun. Did you know that? No. Yeah, you could. Baron Coleman's been doing great work on this and he got the police transmitter, uh, all that stuff. He got that. That's available. And so it wasn't until the FBI showed up. Oh, well, we got it. The local police couldn't find that gun. And the dog sniffers couldn't find it. They can find it. And they couldn't. But then the FBI showed up and they found it in the exact place. So, and not the, and it wouldn't even release that to the, to the defense team. There's

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  still holy God to it. And then, of course, the, the, the, then he, then he decides to text his lover instead of waiting for him to get home. It's only a three hour drive. He's like, you know what? He said, I wanted to take this, I wanted to take this secret to my grave. First of all, he talks like he's reading a, uh, he's writing a Jane Austen novel, My Love.

• 1:50:53Speaker 02

  And then he says, "I wanted to take this secret to my grave, but fuck it. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna leave it here on a text message to you so the FBI can find it." And so what was supposed to happen was he was supposed to go out in a blaze of glory. He, because the original text messages that they said he wrote, said, "I don't want to go to prison. I'm not gonna go out. I don't want to be dragged through the courts. I'm gonna go." So he was supposed to get shot, just like in Butler, Crooks, and he was supposed to get killed. He didn't. He went and turned himself in, which screwed up their plan. And so they had to rewrite those text messages. Did you know that there's text messages 1 and text messages 2.0?

• 1:51:34Speaker 02

  So they had to rewrite this. Yeah, that's all. And they said that he confessed on Discord or on Reddit. And of course, now we know for a fact that he was already in custody when they said that he did that. So what guy shows up, turns himself in, pleads the fifth, "I'm not talking to the cops until my lawyer gets there." But then he goes on the internet and gives a confession? Okay, so this is, this is obviously a setup and you're not allowed to ask questions about it. And if you are, you are attacking a grieving widow. And that's, again, when did Jackie O ever say, "Quit looking in, stop. Quit looking into who killed my husband." Never. That's not what happens. And that's not how you grieve, by the way. I remember when my dad died, my mom immediately bought a gold sequin pants outfit, started carrying sparklers around,

• 1:52:18Speaker 02

  and selling t-shirts. And my friends were like, "Jimmy, what's with your mom?" I'm like, "She's grieving." So I'll just leave that there. And so, you know, Dan Bongino, who famously said, "Don't ever stop talking about the Epstein files." He gets in a position of power to do something about it, and now he changes his tune to say, "Oh, I'm supposed to, I was there to do my job, which is to keep custody of the evidence." No, you weren't there to keep custody of the evidence. You were there to put in custody for the people who are in that evidence, you fucking phony. Anyway, I get upset.

• 1:52:54Tucker Carlson?

  You have every reason to.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  So, we're being lied to on a massive scale. The one guy who was credited with stopping the Iran war the first time, they had to get him out of there. And he had realized that he'd woken up and his organization is a Zionist operation as it was from the beginning. And he woke up to that he was living in a troubadour show. And he ordered, uh, he orders an investigation, a Doge-style investigation into the accounting, because there's all, if you look into it, Wolves of Finance is a YouTube channel who's really explored all this, about all the shady financial stuff that was happening inside TPUSA. So, they all had motive to not only be a part of it, but to cover it up. And, uh, and, and, and so he orders that, he turns down their money.

• 1:53:40Speaker 02

  He turned, they, they all lied that he said they're gonna kill me, that they, and Candace Owens proves that the text messages were there, then, and by the way, why does the FBI not have control of his phone? Why would they give it to his, this, none of this, all of it, none of it makes sense. So, this is all a big psy-op. It's a psy, it's a Zionist organization. He had realized that. He had realized what Zionism was. He realized that, uh, that Israel was not in our best interest, that they're not our greatest ally, and they had to get, and so they tried everything, they tried, and, and some reports said they were offering a billion dollars to his organization, and he turned it down. And if you can turn that down, there's only one thing left to do, and that's to kill you.

• 1:54:20Speaker 02

  And it's sad, and you're, just like Seth Rich, you're not allowed to ask questions. And when you're not allowed to ask, hey, if you, if Candace Owens is crazy, nuts, then keep, let her talk, let, give her enough rope to hang herself. Keep it going, just like Brian Harple did on that CIA guys podcast. He gave him enough rope to hang himself, and he hung himself several times on that, what a used car salesman that Brian Harple is. I spent thousands of dollars on, they didn't have drone coverage? He pretends they didn't have drone coverage. Well, Frank Turk says they were watching the drone coverage on their own phones as they pulled up to the event. So, they're lying back and forth all over the place. They didn't have security watching the roof? You don't have security watching, well, the local police were supposed to take care of that. Okay, get the, okay. So, uh, it's a, it's a, it's a setup.

• 1:55:05Speaker 02

  Uh, it's a lie and just like Seth Rich and Charlie said, just like we learned during COVID, keep asking questions because it's the only thing that keeps us free. And now they've completely flipped his message. Stop, just stop, stop asking questions. That was his whole MO. That was his whole motive. That was the reason for his race on Detra was ask questions.

• 1:55:26Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:55:27Speaker 02

  And now you're not supposed to. And I tell people, you see these social media influencers out there telling you that, uh, Candace is evil or demonic and stop. It happened exactly the way Cash Patel said it did. If anybody's telling you that, they are corrupted on the take and they're your enemy. And do not listen to them because those people are not there to help you or to help bring you information. They're there to propagandize you and keep you shut up and compliant.

• 1:55:54Tucker Carlson?

  The great Jimmy Dore. Wow, you just, you just wound me up. Okay. I'm gonna need to walk around. Thank you.

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  Okay, it's great to see you as always.

• 1:56:02Tucker Carlson?

  God bless you.

• 1:56:03Speaker 02

  You too.