Bot Farms, JD Vance, NATO, Charlie Kirk, Israel & the Globalist Propaganda Network Connecting It All

Elizabeth Lane on the secret NATO propaganda network pushing the West toward world war. (00:00) Where Are All the Bots Coming From? (09:41) What Was the Institute of Statecraft? (31:52) What's the Connection Between Israel and Ukraine? (47:22) The American-Funded Ukrainian Company Propagandizing Americans (59:59) The Bigger Monster Behind All of This Paid partnerships with: Black Rifle Coffee: Promo code "Tucker" for 30% off at https://www.blackriflecoffee.com American Financing: NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-685-5696 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www. AmericanFinancing.net/Tucker. Brooklyn Bedding: Get 30% off sitewide with promo code TUCKER at https://brooklynbedding.comDefend: Enter code "Tucker" for 20% off your purchase at https://defendcellcam.com Battalion Metals: Shop fair-priced gold and silver at https://battalionmetals.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Speaker 01

  Elizabeth Lane, thank you so much for doing this.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  So I was thinking about this interview. I never preemptively respond to criticism or really respond at all. But in this one specific case, I was thinking about it because you're from Georgia, not Atlanta.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  No, not Atlanta, the country.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  The country of Georgia, the Caucasian country of Georgia. And you have been accused of being a foreign intel operative. Right. Which you deny.

• 1:01Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  I just want to say out loud, I don't care. Because that's not the point. The point is, is the story you're about to tell true or is it not? And I should also say, having spent my entire life talking to undeclared intel operatives from one country or another, you look back, you're like, oh, wait, you were working on behalf of that country. Live in a country where operatives for Israel are everywhere in our media, paid or unpaid, irrelevant to me. You know, even when Mark Levin says something, I, my first response, I force myself, is to ask, is this true? Because that's what matters. So your critics would like the conversation to be about you, and I would like to see a conversation about what you're saying.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  So I just want to say that upfront.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  I love it, yeah.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  No, because that's what matters. And the whole thing is a diversion tactic designed to get you off of whatever the person has claimed onto the person.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  And I don't personally play along with that. I hope that you don't. But I just want to say that out loud before we begin. So here's the reason that I was so anxious to talk to you. Because I think you've gotten a lot of reporting and inside facts into a phenomenon that all of us have noticed in the past several years, which is the proliferation of, I don't want to use the word bot, but paid influence operations online.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  On social media. And it's not just that people feel so passionately about something that they become a shill for this or that. It seems more organized than that, much more organized than that. And in fact, it is. And so I'm going to stand back and let you tell the story. But I will want to kick it off by asking you, where is all of this coming from? So the president, for example, says we're going to have a memorandum of understanding with Iran, really our only option, clearly. And all of a sudden, there's just a wave of attacks against him. Someone else will stand up and say, wait a second, it looks like Russia could actually send a hypersonic missile into Poland. Maybe we should de-escalate. Wave of attacks. Shut up, Russian agent. What is the source of all that?

• 3:13Speaker 02

  You know, I'm glad you asked that. And I'm glad you mentioned the president because some people think that it's coming from our government, and it's not. That's the thing. It's not coming from Trump's administration. It's not coming from the government trying to like, you know, to shut the dissidents up. No, no, it's much bigger than that. And there are people who speculated before that it is only from Israel. It is from Israel as a state. They, I mean, they don't even hide it. They declared themselves under Farah to get some type of control over our social media. But that's like something that I'm not even worried about because we know they are under Farah. And we know we are going to run into operatives that work with them. Millions of dollars are wasted on this.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  What I'm worried about is much-

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Wasted on. No, you're right. And I know the operatives personally, who are working for them.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Some attacked you?

• 4:06Speaker 01

  I haven't even paid any attention. But I know Brad Parscale. And I mean, these are sad, screwed up people who are not going to-

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  He couldn't convince you to come to dinner at his house. I don't think he's going to convince you to change your allegiance to a foreign country. So I agree with you. I don't think it's that dangerous.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  Yes. So, but there is much more dangerous force behind this. And you mentioned bots. So we got to differentiate between bots and paid propagandists, okay? So paid propagandists are not afraid to show their faces. They are actually out there speaking openly about Israel and how we should support Israel over the United States. But bots are way more dangerous because they are faceless. And they operate in the shadows. They get information about family members and information they, by the way, should not have, some of this. And somehow, they utilize this X, Facebook, Instagram, to put it out there and ruin independent journalists.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  And by ruin, I mean, they lie. They flat-out lie, make up stories. And somehow, that story ends up on big newspapers in the United States. And I'm about to tell you how that happens.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  May I ask, just for a more precise definition, what is a bot, exactly?

• 5:20Speaker 02

  So bot is somebody who's like faceless. Some avatar will be on the, on this type of-

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Is there a person behind that, or is that AI?

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Sometimes. Mostly it's AI, but there are real people behind it too. And you can tell by how they respond to the comments, right? Some are just actual paid bots that are there to be vicious and respond to people.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  And those are human beings.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Those are human beings. And there's like another part of it where just AI generates the same exact responses. And that's why you see, when you said, well, we got to have some deal with Iran, and the same exact responses go out like, those are bots, like exact same sentences, right? Those are bots.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Whether they're human or not, doesn't matter.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter. But always human operates, even these bot farms, right? There's always some corporation or company that operates. And we will dive into all of that, trust me. Like, I will, by the time I'm done here, people will know exactly who's behind, what names they need to pay attention to, and what's really going on. And the same people hate Trump, by the way. They, like I said, it's not, it's not coming from Trump administration.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  They've always hated Trump.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  They always hated him.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  And to see him do their bidding, wittingly or unwittingly, you know, consciously or unconsciously, intentionally or against his will, it doesn't matter. It's the most sad thing.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Yes. So like to make it, you know, people like easy enemies. Like people like to point fingers like, oh, well, he's evil, let's fight him. But people don't like complexities. They don't like the web. They just want easy answers. Like, who's the enemy? We go fight, right? Unfortunately, that's not how real life works. Sometimes, it's more complicated. And this is why I got to start with the story so that we can get to current situation and how we ended up here.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  And that's part of the appeal of hating Israel, is that it makes it very simple. Israel's committing genocide. Obviously, it's an evil country. I mean, they're committing genocide, so like, they're evil.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  True.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  But it doesn't mean that they're running the entire world, because they're not.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  They're not?

• 7:25Speaker 01

  I know, I know.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  I know you do. And so first, let me thank you for everything you are. Like, because I don't, I don't think you get that enough, and you should. I know you're modest, but here's the thing, Tucker. People like me would have given up a long time ago if not for people like you. Because you blaze, you know, the trail for everyone else. And this way, it becomes easier for us to fight because they know that we don't have the backing. And they come after us and all that, so, yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Thanks. So if it's not Israel, and but, just to be totally clear, it's not a defense of the government of Israel, which is totally indefensible, but it's just an acknowledgement of reality-

• 8:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  That that is way too simple.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  And, and it's just not, it's not true. So they're not running the world, sorry. Who is?

• 8:13Speaker 02

  And it's not just Israel, but yes. So let me start with a very interesting story, okay? In 2018, there was a hack that happened. And it didn't get nowhere near the attention it deserved. And for a reason. Because what got exposed was a military intelligence operation in the media. And do you think that media would expose themselves by writing about it? Of course not. But it got enough attention that it got investigated. And the hack was done by an entity called Anonymous, okay?

• 8:47Speaker 01

  I remember.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Remember Anonymous? That they destroyed, like Anonymous doesn't really exist anymore.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Neither does LiveLeak or any of the-

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Right? Yes. So Anonymous hacks something called Integrity Initiative. And Integrity Initiative was a project ran under Institute of Statecraft, okay? Well, no one knew what the hack Institute of Statecraft was. It was a think tank, obscure think tank, doing its own thing. But once the exposure came out, people started paying attention because we realized how big and deep the issue ran. So some journalists that you might know, Max Blumenthal, for example, and others, actually got on this case. And they were like, this is more serious than they are telling us about. Thousands of emails came out and documents.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  And we ran, we learned that Institute of Statecraft was running a military operation in the media using resources to go after politicians and independent journalists, smearing them, writing the chain of articles so that they can prevent certain politicians from obtaining power in different, not just one, but in different countries and parliaments. One of them was Jeremy Corbyn, for example. I'll dive into that too. So first, let's talk about this Institute of Statecraft and what it was. Well, journalists want to check it out, where this entity is located.

• 10:19Speaker 02

  The public address said it was in Scotland. So some independent journalists went to see what it looks like. And when they got there, they only found an abandoned building. There was nothing there, like just an abandoned building. So they were like, okay, so this is a wrong address, even though officially, that's what they say they are located at, right? So they go back and they dive into these documents that got hacked, and they finally found the real address. And it was Two Temple Place, Central London.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  It was a former House of Knights Templar. And then they call other people conspiracy theorists. It's just very funny. But yeah, they they picked the place. I didn't. Um, so what came out in the emails and communications was pretty damaging. Because here is a crew of journalists, intelligence officers, by the way, like Chris Donnelly. All British, some from other countries like Finland, Russia, Georgia, like that was a Ukrainian Russian, not really Russian. Um, and all these like different countries and journalists who are on this chart, secret chart that was not supposed to be out in public. Yes.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  And when you look at them, they don't really work together. So there's like no real records that these people ever worked together. But here's a chart from an actual organization that says they do work together and they themselves designed it. I'll explain this too. So what they did is they would communicate with each other by a different means, like email was one of them. And they would write up these smear campaigns against people they didn't like. And they did all of this, this is my favorite part, under the gaze of fighting Russian disinformation. Okay.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  Of course. So they got the funds because the idea was we need to fight Russian disinformation. Um, and we need crew of journalists and somehow military officers for it and intel officers for it. And we are going to go after everyone that spreads Russian disinformation. Now, explain to me, Tucker, how is Jeremy Corbyn, um, a British politician, a Russian agent? Because that's what they said. Well, they didn't want Jeremy Corbyn in power, so they started smearing the guy, writing articles like Jeremy Corbyn. Um, is like spouting Russian propaganda. He's an agent, he's Putin's lover, he's Putin's puppet, who's, you name it.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  And he's Nazi, he's an anti Semite.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Exactly. Exactly.

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  To help today, visit bootcampaign.org, bootcampaign.org. But what was it? Do you have any idea what the calculation was there? Why were they opposed to Jeremy Corbyn?

• 13:48Speaker 02

  So I don't know exactly why.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  He was the head of the Labour Party in Britain.

• 13:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  So what I've noticed about these people is very simple. They oppose everyone that's not on their side. So it doesn't matter if you're a Nazi or a good guy or whatever. Like if you're not part of the crew, you don't get to do anything.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  And the agenda is a globalist agenda.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Hundred percent, hundred percent. It's the same agenda why NATO was created. Their agenda is the same agenda as like George Soros. For example, George Soros is a huge part of the story.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Huge part. So whatever George Soros's agenda always was, is the same that these people share very, you know, passionately. So Jeremy Corbyn was not the only one. They had somebody called, um, uh, Rob, I gotta look, sorry. It's a lot of names. Um, Pedro, Pedro Bados or something like that. So anyway, um, a Spanish military guy. So this Pedro was considered for one of the highest positions in national security in Spain. I looked him up. He's a decent guy, like he just has his own channel, like talks about politics, opposes globalism with everything he can.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  So they decided that Pedro, Pedro Banos was going to be a Russian agent, even though he had no connections to Russia whatsoever. So yeah, they started writing pieces that Pedro can never be a part of national security in Spain because uh, he's a Russian agent, he's a Putin puppet. So anyway, the same exact thing, the, the, the tactics never change. You're Russian agents, therefore you don't get to be in positions like of power, right? So they destroyed Pedro Banos's candidacy. He did not go and occupy the post that he was, uh, named for. So they completely destroyed him.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  So they have power.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  So who are they exactly?

• 15:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, so this is where we get to the most important part, okay? Well, everything I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say from their own words and their own, uh, charts and what they, what they wrote in those documents. And this is one of the charts I brought you. These are they, by the way, I don't know if you can see it, but these are journalists, these are intel officers and everyone that was on the chart. I don't know if you can see it, but I can explain it. So, um, I don't want to confuse people by lots of names, so I'm gonna give you the most important names that, um, kind of drove the show, right? Chris Donnelly was one of them.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  And Chris Donnelly is a British intelligence, army intelligence officer. He was the one who got the funds for something called Integrity Initiative. And you know who paid the money? British Foreign Office.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  Yes. So you have a think tank running an operation in the media that is funded by British Foreign Office and we know nothing about it. Okay?

• 16:51Speaker 01

  And its stated purpose was what? Just to?

• 16:53Speaker 02

  Fight Russian disinformation. But they are doing it through intel officers and like, I mean, how is that justified? And they have these journalists assigned in every country, which we will talk about. As you can see, there's a network management there. So they have these journalists assigned to different countries with the teams, how they're gonna fight this Russian disinformation, right? So one of them was, uh, Jessica Arrow from Finland. Have you ever heard of her?

• 17:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  No one has. The only people who know who Jessica Arrow is, people in Finland, okay? So because I'm not an expert in Finland, when I started investigating this network, I said, I need people on the ground, independent journalists who will help me identify what this Jessica Arrow actually did, right? So they advised me to reach out to four different Finnish journalists. I made sure to pick the ones that are completely independent. I said, I want journalists with two bedroom apartments, nothing more. Like I, I need people who have no money and are in it for the good. So they advised four different people, okay? Two of them knew each other, the other two was on the other side of the political spectrum.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  So they didn't really communicate, which is exactly what I wanted, because you're getting two different perspectives. I kid you not, every single one of them, when I mentioned this hack, said, look into Jessica Arrow. Without exceptions, every single one, this is the woman you need to look into. She's a deep state operative. So then I, yeah. So then I started asking, what did she do? And one of the journalists said, well, she ruined independent journalists and their careers and their lives. Yeah. So I'll tell you her direct story coming from her own mouth, okay? She said, she had a nice career, like you did, uh, on actual network.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  She even worked for BBC. Um, and when she started telling the truth about Russian Ukrainian war, she got fired. So she was like, okay, well, I get fired, I don't care. Like I'm gonna, you know, do what you did, start her own thing. And after she started her own thing, they just started hammering her. You're a Russian agent, you're, you're a Russian puppet, you work for another government, the same exact strategy, Tucker. It got so bad that her neighbor called the authorities on her.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, that sounds like Finland.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, that is.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  I'm part Finnish, I can say this. It's a wonderful country, smartest people in the world, beautiful, but very strange.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  And the most conformist.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Place. It's a shame, it's a, I think the, one of the only white countries with a shame culture, an Asian shame culture.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  I completely agree.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, it's a very different kind of place. It's not quite Europe, no.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. But here's like the interesting part. Authorities get there, right? And, um, they investigate whatever they do. And they tell this neighbor, she's not Russian agent, you're fine, just shut up, like we're, we're good.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  So here's a great case, Tucker, where authorities know exactly what's going on, that no one is a Russian agent, yet they're absolutely okay with this clan of people on that paper. They're, this is not my chart, this is their chart. Attacking independent journalists, completely destroying their career.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Oh, so why you're not a Russian agent and we just destroyed your career? But shut up. It's okay.

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• 23:25Speaker 01

  It's interesting that they would... So this is a group based in the UK, funded by the UK Foreign Office.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Not only UK, as you can see, there's like, let me, let me show you.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  But it's interesting that they feel they have to crush a Finnish... Someone in Helsinki, it's a country of 5 million people.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, they also crushed people. Let me read this to you. So they have one in Visegret countries, they have Ukraine, they have Baltic countries. So these are clusters, Tucker. They assign their agents, or whatever they call like themselves, they assign their journalist agents to every country. So they have clusters in Baltic countries, they have clusters in Georgia, in Ukraine, so Eastern European countries, in Finland and other places. And one is in the United States, and we'll talk about that too. And this is how they operate. Now, because there are a lot of names, and all these journalists are little, you know, operators of these people

• 24:19Speaker 02

  and go out and, you know, they bake a new article about Tucker Carlson or something, so that people think that you are a Russian agent or Qatari agent or whatever. That's what they do. This is a network they have. So the, the, the part that I want to talk about is the names that are most important here, okay? Chris Donnelly was one of them, because guy is a British, you know, intelligence, like army intelligence agents running the operation like this. What is this? And another one is Ben Nemo, who I think is extremely important figure. So Ben Nemo worked as a NATO correspondent. By the way, they all start in journalism and they advance either in politics, like Sikorsky, for example, they are Polish minister.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Radek.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Anne Applebaum's husband.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, correct. Did you know that he also started as a journalist?

• 25:11Speaker 01

  I remember when he was a journalist in the 1980s, writing for National Review magazine.

• 25:15Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  So all of them do, Tucker. And if you look at this chart, then they move up. So they start as journalists, and then they do their due diligence there, and then they get promoted in different places, like OpenAI or NATO or something. And I'll tell you Ben Nemo's case. So I looked into Ben Nemo, and I was like, this guy is very interesting. He starts as a correspondent with NATO, and then he joins NATO's press office as an employee. He then ends up in an American think tank, Atlantic Council, and he works for, get this, Digital Forensics Lab. And what does Digital Forensics Lab does? Well, they recruit little keyboard fighters to fight Russian disinformation on social media.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  So what happens is Ben Nemo, that just got exposed under British military intelligence operation, running after journalists and attacking opposition in Britain, and attacking some guy in, you know, in Spain, this military guy that they didn't want to get the position. Again, their own document says that, not me. So now, somebody thought it was a good idea to take Ben Nemo and put him as one of the main figures in Digital Forensics Lab in Atlantic Council, so they can manipulate American media, I guess. Now, am I saying Ben Nemo is the head of everything? No, but he's one guy involved in both operations that do exactly the same thing.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  One in big media, like these guys, and another one on social media. But it gets better. So, yes. Ben Nemo joins OpenAI, he works with them now. And there is another person that needs a lot of attention, that's Peter Polmerancev, okay?

• 27:06Speaker 02

  You come from big media. Have you ever heard of Peter Polmerancev?

• 27:09Speaker 01

  No, never.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  Well, he's very important. He writes for biggest publications. He writes for The Atlantic, he writes for New York Times, he writes for all the big, like, newspapers in America that you can...

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Most discredited.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  So-called news organizations in the country, yeah.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  I agree, but he does that, though.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Who is he?

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Peter Polmerancev is a Kiev-born Jewish person that somehow got British citizenship, which is very questionable, because I tried to look into like, how did that happen? And I couldn't find like a...

• 27:42Speaker 01

  He's originally Ukrainian.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Yes, Ukrainian-born Jewish person.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  He ends up being a British citizen. Then he somehow ends up going to Russia to join media sphere there.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  I don't know what happened. He got kicked out, probably. I don't know what happened, but he ends up coming back to Britain and starting working with the biggest publications you can imagine. But here's a question I have for you. As a journalist, as America's number one newsman, you know, when you were at Fox... But you are, though. You were, you had most... What was your show's ratings?

• 28:19Speaker 01

  I don't know, I never paid it.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  But he was big, right?

• 28:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was big, yeah.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  It was, it was the biggest in cable news, but I always thought that was like being the hottest Supreme Court justice, you know?

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Biggest in cable news, great. How many honors and medals do you have?

• 28:33Speaker 01

  I don't, I would have to go into my honors and medals room, and I haven't been in in a while, because my servants are dusting it.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  But do you have a lot of, lot of medals in... Yeah, thank you, thank you.

• 28:42Speaker 01

  None.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Well, Peter beat you with a ton of them, you know? He has a lot.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  Awards?

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Yes, if we didn't, didn't know, yes. Honors and all kinds.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  I've never heard of the guy.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. So he gets a ton of honors.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Journalists awarding themselves, and I've been in this 35 years this month I've been doing this, and these people, the idea that you would get an award, I'm an award-winning journalist, really, who gave you the award? On the basis of what? I mean, I've never won any award in journalism that I know of.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Well, I'd be glad not to win an award. I don't want an award, I wouldn't accept an award.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  How many times have you testified in front of Congress, UK Parliament, or American Senate? How many times you... How many times? I, I want to ask you, because it's so interesting. How many times have you given them advice on wars, Tucker? Or, or information?

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Well, I did give Trump a lot of advice on wars. Like, don't have them, but he ignored my advice.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, what about you as Congress or Senate?

• 29:39Speaker 01

  No, they hate me, they've always hated me. Right, our job is to focus on the people with actual power.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Who are writing history in real time and assess what they're doing and tell our readers or viewers about it. That's a really simple job. And so that your job is not to suck up to power at all.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Right, I agree. Well, Peter Polmerancev has given plenty of advice to our Congress and Senate. Did you know that?

• 30:04Speaker 01

  No, I've never heard of the guy, and he's a famous, award-winning journalist.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Well, he's a, he's a famous honored journalist on so many different awards, like honored is like, yeah.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  It's hilarious.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  It's a pretty small world. I mean, journalism is pretty small, yeah.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  So he also, like I said, advised...

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Polmerancev?

• 30:26Speaker 02

  Polmerancev, Polmerancev, yes.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Pardon, my accent doesn't allow.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, well...

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Accurate pronunciations.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  No, no, I mean, it's a, it's a hard last name, right? And so here is an interesting part, though. This guy advised UK Parliament. I mean, he's British, why do we care? Whatever they want to do. But he also advised our Senate.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  On what?

• 30:50Speaker 02

  How to fight Russian disinformation and politics and all that. And this is, there's an actual video, I put it up online where he goes, "Well, the problem is that Russians like Putin and we gotta, we gotta address that." And I'm like, "Wait a second." So a Kiev-born Jewish person is mad that Russians like Putin? Why is that your business? Why is, excuse my language, why is your ass burning that Russians like their president? Who are you?

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Well, that'd be one of my first questions too. Especially since you're speaking before a body that is part of a purported republic.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  You know, where the people rule and our whole foreign policy is based on the idea we're bringing so-called democracy to the rest of the world. People should get what they want because they're the owners of the country. And so if your complaint is that the people are getting what they want, but you don't want them to get what they want, so you have to change their opinion of what they want, then you are an enemy of democracy, aren't you? Or am I missing something?

• 31:50Speaker 02

  You're not missing anything. But these are how interesting these names were, Tucker. And if you think that Peter Pomerance was the only, only one with honors in the world, let me remind you about Jessica Arrow.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Wait, let me just ask, Peter Pomerance, the award-winning journalist from Ukraine.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  Or honored journalist.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, award-winning, honored, yeah, okay, so impressed. Writes for The Atlantic, Jeff Goldberg.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Where does he work?

• 32:18Speaker 02

  So he writes for biggest publications, like I said, he-

• 32:21Speaker 01

  But how was he connected to this effort, to them?

• 32:23Speaker 02

  Oh, he worked for, he was on an advisory board for them. So he's on an, here it says advisory board and he's mentioned as an advisor to entire network. He's on an advisory board with like British former military guys and stuff.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  And how much do we know about where the money comes?

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Oh, we know everything. We, like, when the, the hack happened, we knew exactly who was paying for the integrity initiative. And I should say, please check out Max Blumenthal's work on the money part of things because he went all the way. Like he, um, so it came from a British Foreign Office.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Yes. It's all documented, like I said.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Does it still exist?

• 33:09Speaker 02

  Uh, no, they, after the hack, they kind of scrambled and they reshaped their operations, which I will talk about.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  After the truth came out?

• 33:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, after the truth came out, exactly. So, um, but another important thing is, and this directly ties to Trump administration and why I supported Trump. So this woman, Jessica Arrow, like Peter Pomerance, she's on the board, okay? Like some Finnish girl, um, that no one in Finland like and detect all these journalists. But please remember, they are fighting Russian disinformation, okay? They're not attacking anyone, they are fighting Russian disinformation. So this Jessica Arrow was scheduled to come to Washington and get awarded. Did you know that?

• 33:50Speaker 01

  No, I had no idea. I'm never invited to these award ceremonies.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Good for you. That's why I'm sitting here and not somewhere else. So, um, she was scheduled to come and get awarded. And then Trump administration came, Trump won, and they said, someone, I don't know who it was, I can't claim something I don't know. So someone looked at her past, right, and who she is, and they said, "Yeah, not today, you're not getting awarded." So all hell broke loose about this. There are like domestic publications writing, "How dare you not award Jessica Arrow?" And what happened, we demand answers, like, it's online, go check.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Like, all of it is online, how this, you know, crazy media agents lost their mind over this. And I believe the Trump administration said, "Well, she was, something happened, she was never in the list to get awarded." But then CNN was the one who broke this story, that there were communications getting Jessica Arrow ready for travel. I believe it was CNN, but don't quote me on that. One of the big channels broke this story and they demanded answers. "How do we dare not award Jessica Arrow from Finland?" I swear it's all true. So I was like, "Why is such a big deal? Like, why is it such a big deal for these journalists to get awarded and get medals and all that?"

• 35:16Speaker 02

  And in my opinion, and now this is just my opinion here, okay? It's not for Americans, Tucker. The awards are for Finnish people so that she can go back home and propagandize people by saying, "I'm an awarded journalist from the United States. You should trust what I say. And when I tell you that that poor journalist there on a salary or whatever is a Russian agent, you must believe it." The awards is there for the, the opposite of killing someone's images, what? Amplifying them, giving them more power, that's why they do it. No one cares.

• 35:57Speaker 01

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• 36:00Speaker 02

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• 37:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, 100%. But this gets better and you thought it would, you couldn't get better, right? But it does, you have no idea. So after this network gets disrupted, again, I urge everyone to go and see themselves. It's all, the information is all out there. I brought all of it here. So after this network gets disrupted, they're like, "What do we do now?" So right after one year, 2019, NATO designs an operation. They call it social media experiment, okay?

• 38:06Speaker 01

  And let's pause, what is NATO? North Atlantic Treaty Organization?

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  So it's a military alliance, Europe, it started Western Europe, opposing the Warsaw Pact, the Soviets, the Iron Curtain.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Which doesn't exist anymore.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Well, I'm aware, since 1991, so 25, 35 years. What is NATO now exactly?

• 38:27Speaker 02

  It has become everything but a military organization. And I'm about to tell you one thing that it does that they shouldn't do. So NATO has something called STRITCOM. It's a Strategic Communications Center of Excellence or something, where they employ different people, including journalists, okay? So NATO STRITCOM-

• 38:49Speaker 01

  They're journalists who work for NATO?

• 38:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, Ben Nemo is one of them.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Okay, if you're working for NATO, you're not a journalist, okay? So just to be clear.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  You forfeit the title. No matter how many awards you've won.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Couldn't agree more.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  No, it's, I'm so- I know, I had the same reactions when I was investigating this, I had to take pauses, Tucker. I had to look at the wall for a second. I'm like, "What am I doing here? What, are we living in a Truman Show?" Because we are, we are.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  I know.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. So NATO designs this program and it calls it social media experiment, okay? What do they do? Well, they want to fight Russian disinformation. I'm gonna say this a lot because they are saying this a lot, right? They wanna fight Russia and Russian disinformation. And they, they said, "Well, we wanna see if social media platforms can be manipulated so the narrative can be manipulated without detection." Their words, all in here, not mine. They wanted to check if they can manipulate social media and not be detected.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  You would think Tucker that some sane person would have just raised their hands and say, "We are a military organization. We shouldn't be doing that."

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Fair.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  None of them did.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  So did they attempt to do that?

• 40:18Speaker 02

  They ran. The operation happened. Yeah, they, so here's what they did. Let me just look so I don't give you wrong numbers, okay? They bought thousands of, I think it was 500,000 or something trolls, bots that you called, like when we started the show, they bought fake comments and fake engagement.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  So they bought fake comments, fake engagement, ton of bots, and they ran the operation. And I want you to remember when it happened in 2019, okay? This is 2019, when NATO starts this operation. So they contract a company called Singular X. Do you know where this company is located?

• 41:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Kharkiv, Ukraine.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Actually?

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Actually.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  What year is this, 19?

• 41:08Speaker 02

  Uh, 2019.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it is located in Kharkiv, Ukraine. It's a Ukrainian company they contracted. But if you're wondering like, well, there was maybe just one contract, you know, so what that Ukraine is, you know, at war with Russia, they can still be objective, right? They can still be objective fighting Russian disinformation even though they are contracting Ukrainian company for it. But whatever, it was not just one contract. NATO constantly works with Singular X, a Ukrainian company. So this is where we dive into why people are bothered this, you know, with these trolls and these trolls coming after independent journalists and so on. So after this whole thing happened,

• 41:56Speaker 02

  independent journalists kind of noticed that they are getting attacked a lot, especially when they come after and talk, you know, about Russia, Ukraine, their engagements go zero, or they are called all kinds of stuff like Russian whores or worse. I'm not gonna say these terrible things, but it happened, right? So no one really bothered to dive in what company is behind this and who's who's doing this stuff. No one even knew that NATO is running this operation in 2019. By the way, they were absolutely successful, absolutely successful. So they didn't have a reason to stop the operation, okay? And then there happened something very interesting, and I have to tie in

• 42:35Speaker 02

  my personal thing here so I can explain how I got on this trail. I'm someone like you that when I see Russia, Ukraine, I understand the issue, just like you do, and because I come from Georgia and I watched Russia all my life. So I speak about what I believe is true. They came after me, of course, calling me a Russian agent, similar. And then I started diving into Charlie Kirk's assassination, and things got way worse. After Candace's interview and stuff, it just went off rails with this attacks and stuff to the point where it was already like real threats, like with my brothers and like real threats on family, myself, everything. So at the point, I'm like, okay, this is real. This is

• 43:20Speaker 02

  something that you need to report to the authorities. And I wanted to look into who's behind this? Who's threatening me? I discovered this network, but then I discovered also paid ops, right? Like paid operatives that are getting paid by Israel and, you know, using NATO bots. So paid operatives from Israel, which you know with Brett Pascal.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Are somehow protected with NATO bots from Ukraine. And if you doubt that they are real NATO bots from Ukraine, let me read you something, okay? This is very important, because they themselves say they are. They send me threats like Zelensky sends love. So I don't know why would an American bot send me that.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  No.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  So I have a screenshot here with that.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  What's the connection between Israel and Ukraine?

• 44:19Speaker 01

  Or maybe better question, what's the difference?

• 44:22Speaker 02

  So the connection is, what I've noticed is that Ukrainian trolls come to the rescue of Israeli paid propagandists. So the guy, for example, that came after you, that Times wrote about, they would defend that guy in the comments. So Israeli propagandists are pushing propaganda, and then Ukrainian NATO bots are protecting the propaganda. That's the connection. I don't know why they they do that. My guess isn't now off of the facts and actual guess and what I think is going on. Ukraine and Israel is owned by the same people, and those are raging Zionists, okay? So yeah, and then most important part here, we have not even gotten to the most important part

• 45:06Speaker 02

  of the story. One of the people that came after me, and this is more of a paid propagandist side versus the bots, was former Green Beret, like this Gary guy. I'm not even gonna say his name because they are looking for real engagement and real people and real fame. So let's call him Gary. He comes after me and he just makes these ridiculous claims, calls me a Russian agent, accuses me of crime, does like YouTube channels, like episode after episode of calling me, making fun of my accent. I mean, you name it, like this is a nasty little, you know. So I'm like, what's going on here? It's a former Green Beret. Like, what's going on here? And then I get an interesting

• 45:51Speaker 02

  phone call. And it is someone who knows Gary and says, Elizabeth, I've been watching what's going on, and this attacks on you, especially after I dived into this investigation and Charlie Kirk and this stuff. And I think you need to talk to my friend right now. And I'm like, okay, he's a former Green Beret, also Special Forces, and you need to talk to him ASAP. I'm like, okay, so I call. This guy picks up, he's like, oh, I know Gary really well. I'm like, what's going on? Let me tell you something, Elizabeth, he says. So Gary and I used to do videos together. And Gary himself did not believe in Charlie Kirk's assassination narrative. So I was like, okay,

• 46:32Speaker 02

  but now he's attacking everyone, especially Candace, especially Candace. I mean, Candace is like, Gary wakes up for it and goes to sleep to attack Candace, right? And everyone else along, including you, if you get in the way, they will come after you too. As soon as you're quiet about Charlie, he's gonna be okay. So, and I'm like, okay, what's going on? And he says, well, do you know that when Charlie died, Gary got paid by the DOD? I'm like, okay, so? And that's when he changed his narrative, he said. But that's not all, though. So apparently Gary gets paid by DOD a very generous amount of money, Gary changes the narrative, and now Tyler Robinson is the killer and everything is fine. Okay?

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• 48:49Speaker 01

  Wait, so you're saying you believe the American Department of Defense, or now it's been renamed Department of War? I assume that will revert to Defense once this nightmare's over, but once we lose yet another war.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  You think they're paying Americans to spread propaganda in the United States specifically about the Charlie Kirk case?

• 49:12Speaker 02

  So I know that Ukraine is paying them and I'll tell you how, but with Gary's case, we have these documents.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Ukraine is paying them to do what?

• 49:22Speaker 02

  We will get to it. Trust me. Just trust the process. I'll get to it as soon.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  I will. I trust the process.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he says Gary got paid by DOD. So that doesn't surprise me because okay, former Green Beret, maybe some contract, maybe something, right? So I'm like, okay, but you gotta give me something better than that. And he's like, oh, we'll give you better. It's not just me who's a former Green Beret. Like we have five other guys that want to talk to you. I'm like, okay. So he says that when Gary got paid, Gary stopped making videos with him and started attacking him. So two Green Berets are making videos, okay? Two Green Berets, Gary and this other one that called me on the phone and said, we both were sure that something was wrong with the main narrative with Charlie Kirk.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  All of a sudden, he says, I keep going with my videos, how this is unacceptable, wrong, and Gary starts coming after me, attacking me without even a phone call or anything, just attacking me viciously. So he's a man's man. He's a honorable military guy unlike others. And he calls him and he says, are you okay, dude? What are you doing? And immediately Gary goes like, I'm so sorry. I have huge respect for you. I will not do this again. I don't know what happened. I'm so sorry.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  They're all that way.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Right?

• 50:44Speaker 01

  This has happened to me. You confront them, weak men are like that. They'll never be straightforward with you because they're too weak. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean that they're out attacking you again.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  That's exactly what happened.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I know the species.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  As soon as he got off the phone, like only a few days after, he goes ahead and sees Gary attack him again, again and again. So then he started investigating with his buddies, Green Berets, Navy SEALs, all of that, and they found something. And this is where I got on a group call.

• 51:17Speaker 02

  So they said, Elizabeth, we have a huge story for you and someone needs to put this out. I'm like, okay, I'm listening. He says, when Russia-Ukraine war started, we special forces guys got some interesting calls. I'm like, okay. Ukrainian company called us, they said, and they offered us money. I was like, for what? They said, we were supposed to go on YouTube and glorify Ukraine, Zelensky, their military, all this, trash Russia, and we would be compensated for it.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yes. So immediately my reaction was, please tell me you remember the company and please tell me you have some proof. And he was like, yes, I remember the company. We all do and we have the proof. So I'm like, great. Here's the offer, Tucker. These are former special forces guys. Some don't even have YouTube, some do. And the deal was the biggest YouTubers that they wanted, right, to spread Ukrainian propaganda. They would get paid some around $10,000 a video, okay, 10,000. And above that, they would get $40,000 in advertisement money. So they would be set with good advertising.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  That is already 50,000 if they did just one video a week, right? But they said, you can do as many as you want. If you want like, you know, 50 videos, you can do 50 videos. We'll pay for whatever. So great deal. I mean, just do your numbers, multiply them, right? 40,000 in ad money. And then they said something very interesting. Perks were they got to, they would get to meet the biggest politicians in America, like Secretary of State, for example. And they would take flights with them and they would take car rides and so on. And that happened too. By the way, I want to say Secretary of State, this particular offer was not the Secretary of State. We are talking about Lloyd Austin.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  Like before, yes. So as you understand, not only they have people at the DOD and like not just DOD, but in general in the American government, and they were so secure making this offer, that obviously our government is involved, like not, not again, Trump administration, I'm talking about previously, but the, the closest offer was only two years ago.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  Okay? So the reason these people got on the phone call with me is because they declined the offer.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Did they know where the money was coming from?

• 54:00Speaker 02

  Yes. It was a company called United 24.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  United 24?

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Yes. Ukrainian company set up by Ukrainian government. Yes. So here's an interesting thing with United 24. You know who provides money for United 24?

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Who?

• 54:17Speaker 02

  We do.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  The US government?

• 54:19Speaker 02

  Well, US everybody. So if I wanted to donate to them, they have a website that I go to donate. They got ton of money from Hollywood and actors and actresses also. So they have our money going to them and they are propagandizing us with our own money.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  That's part of the humiliation ritual. Yeah.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  It's crazy. But it gets crazier. So yeah, I mean, it's how, do you understand this story was never told by anybody?

• 54:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  Like, I can't believe I'm sitting here with you and telling this the first time when we have much bigger, much more powerful and skillful journalists out there who should have done this story.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  No. No, they're part of it too.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  So the boys told me they are absolutely mad and angry at Ukrainian company, this particular one, and Ukrainians. And they said, we are fed up with them. Go destroy them. So I'm like, okay, there's something hidden, not just money offered, like what's going on? One of them said, well, when I said no, and I said, go ahead of yourselves, excuse my language, they went after his work. So they called the boss of this person. You know how like when special ops guys get out, they do like contracting work and all kinds of... So he was doing one of those and they called his work, his boss, and says, this guy is a Russian agent. He works for Russians. You need to drop him.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  What?

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Did it work?

• 55:54Speaker 02

  No, of course not. So the guy called him, the boss called him up and says, I'm getting ton of calls about you being a Russian agent. What's going on? And he says, I'll deal with them. Don't worry about them.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  He's not the only singular case. They did it to every single one of them.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Yes. So I'm not surprised that I'm a Russian agent, that everyone else is a Russian agent and you are a Qatari agent. And I'm not surprised anymore because if they have the audacity to do this to a former special ops guy or a former Navy, that means they know they are protected.

• 56:33Speaker 01

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• 57:14Speaker 01

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• 58:38Speaker 01

  Of course. And it also means that they accuse you, all people are like this, of what they're doing themselves. So the relentless focus on where independent journalists are getting their money and they're taking payment from this or that person. I mean, I can only speak for myself. I don't take payment from anybody. Never have. Like, I'm not that interested. I don't, I'm not about the money. You don't have to believe me, but it's, you see how I live. You can tell it's true. And that's always coming from people who care only about the money. The Ben Shapiro's of the world, it's only about the money. So I just find it interesting. Like, why not criticize people for their obvious flaws? I have many obvious flaws. They never go after me on that. It's always the money. It's like, that's the one

• 59:21Speaker 01

  sin I'm not prone to. It's like, you picked the one thing I don't do wrong. It's like hilarious.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Well, they are projecting, Tucker. They are projecting. And they are great at it too. And this is like, the second part of this story now. Now, just, I want you to imagine. So NATO runs this 2019 experiment. They are successful. They themselves stated they were successful. So that means that you can operate on social media undetected, right? That was the whole point, right?

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  So, and they do.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Well, I've never heard of it till right now. So it was successful.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was successful. And they do. And when you look at these accounts that are attacking people, most of them are set up in 2019, the same year that NATO ran this experiment.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  So while people think it's all Israel.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  It's actually not just Israel. It's a bigger monster behind this all.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  And that's NATO. And NATO is what? Explain to me what exactly NATO is. So like, it's a, it's interest of multiple different countries. Okay, not just us. NATO is an entity that we should be staying away from, like, keep them at all our.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  We should have been out of NATO thirty five years ago.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  I agree. And here they are, running social media experiments, attacking American journalists. And they feel so secure. That they know nothing will happen to them. They made fun of me. I said, I'm gonna report you to the FBI. And they literally laughed at it. How did that FBI go with you? Like, how did that, like, how did it turn out? By the way, I did that. So. When the attacks amplified and it became absolutely unbearable, where I need to do my job. I called up a friend of mine and I said, you worked with the FBI before. I need an active agent, someone you trust, and I need a guy with balls. Because what's gonna happen

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  is, when he escalates this case, someone is going to shut him up. Because, no way this case goes like, you know, no way. So, he said, I've got the guy. So this guy reaches out to me, and I had my former detective, NYPD detective, talk to him, because they warned me, don't talk to the FBI. They will do what they did to Flynn. So don't do that. So I got a professional, former detective, talk to them. And he said, well, yeah, this is a serious matter. We have some foreign sources, some Ukrainian, Georgian, and NATO trolls attacking American journalists, and we have somebody from the inside that doesn't care. And this is, this is keep going on. Like, FBI needs to get on

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  the scans and figure out who are the journalists here, who are the people here allowing this to happen?

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Right? Because there are people, this person that offered all these benefits and money to American soldiers. Was living in San Francisco. Not in Ukraine. Okay? By the way, I forgot, we have proved, we have a Zoom call with them.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  A Zoom call. What is it? Show?

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  Everything. Zoom call shows how they offer the person, these military people, ten K, forty K for additional, whatever, advertisements. And it shows how they say, you will have all these benefits.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  And that money comes from NATO?

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  No, no, that money comes from United Twenty Four, that we donate. The money for the trolls, that, like, these two thousand and nineteen experiments that was ran with Ukrainian company, comes from NATO. Does it make sense?

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  It does.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  So it's multiple different fronts. This is why.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  But elements of it don't make sense. So here's the story. Americans were presented five years ago, when the Russia-Ukraine thing started to move toward war. Here you have this independent, noble little country called Ukraine, and they are threatened by these expansionists to their east, this communist country called Russia, with this bloodthirsty dictator, Vladimir Putin, running it. And so we're on the side of the underdog, the little guy.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  And this is an outgrowth of that story. But what doesn't make sense is, why would they get involved in the Charlie Kirk story? What does that have to do with anything?

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Thank you for asking that.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Why would the Ukrainians have an opinion on that? I've stayed out of it. And I knew him well. And, but I, whatever, but the Ukrainians? I mean, maybe they've heard of Charlie Kirk, but why are they weighing in on? I'm, now I'm legit confused.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, so ninety percent of Ukrainians, I can say this with all certainty, don't even know who Charlie Kirk is.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  And if they've heard of him, they never even listen to one debate or interview. They don't care.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  It was in English, by the way.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  It was in English, yes.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  Not their language, right?

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't care. So, I don't understand, why would Ukrainian trolls, and they are Ukrainian and Georgians, who are threatening, me personally, I can talk about my case, I don't have to talk about yours or other cases and speculate, right? So they are sending me Zelensky's love openly, by the way, and calling me all kinds of names in Russian and Ukrainian, the same close language, all of this. So I, I know for a fact that they are Ukrainian and Georgian trolls, not just Ukrainian, by the way. What I don't know is what they are covering for Israel, when Israeli propagandists go out, they're attacking people. And what I don't know is why they are attacking people who question Charlie Kirk's assassination. So the only.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  But you know for a fact they are?

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  For a fact, for a fact, that they are.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Well, that's just like, one of the weirdest things I've heard in a long time. Of course, if we're being totally honest, it's not weird at all. I would expect it. Because I can feel that there's a connection, but I couldn't explain it.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  It doesn't shock me that. I mean, the ties between Ukraine and Israel. Are subtle. I think both countries' governments have gone out of their way to downplay their connection. Pretty clear, they're very closely connected. And, but in Charlie Kirk, like, I could never explain why that doesn't shock me, but if I'm being honest, it really doesn't. This all, this is much bigger than Charlie Kirk's murder, than Russia's special military operation, invasion of Ukraine, whatever. War in Iran. I mean, it, it's all of a piece. It's the same people.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Same people. The same narrative, same accusations, Tucker. Can we get real for a second?

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  So. I, I used to think that Trump betrayed us badly. Like, I used to think that all of us were MAGA, we were so, and I was the biggest supporter. I got in trouble, like, laying on Biden, in, in country of Georgia, getting on a show. They came up to me, they sent people at my door, literally. So, I was one of the biggest Trump fighters. Okay, so I know exactly what, what MAGA was supposed to be in suit for, right? All of us knew. Then, this whole thing happens, and I'm like, oh my gosh, he betrayed us. But now, I, after investigating this, I don't think so. So, I think the goal was, this globalist, this NATO people, and British intel that's running this integrity initiative secretly, and Jessica

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  Arrows in Finland, like, just think about this for a second. We're talking about British intelligence, British funded, operation, that extends in almost every country. But then when you look into it, all of a sudden, you discover, actually, it's not really Britain, because they are also getting funds from Atlantic Council, they are also getting funds from NATO. So it's like, almost like a world organization. And they, they are running their operation everywhere. Again, their own chart says what countries they run to, this operation. And it's everywhere. Okay, so, this cabal looks at Trump, and everyone aligned with Trump, which is you, Candace, and Charlie, and all these people, Marjorie

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  Taylor Greene, Thomas Messi, and they get scared. They're like, okay, if these people are allowed to do what they're coming to do.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Sixty plus year of work is done.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  So what I think happened here, is they said, we have to do what we do the best, divide and conquer. We gotta isolate Trump, one by one, we're gonna destroy this MAGA people, and put our operatives in. This is what I would do, if I was the bad guy. Because there's a force coming at me that will destroy my life's work. You are anti-NATO, not anti-NATO, but you are for, this is not.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Passionately anti-NATO, passionately.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Thank you, me too.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a threat to the sovereignty of my country that I was born in. Like, NATO hurts the United States, and a lot of other people.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Yes, I agree.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Killing Gaddafi, like, what? What does that have to do with keeping the Soviets out of Germany? Like, this whole thing is so bonkers.

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  No, I'm passionately opposed to NATO, because I'm pro-American.

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  And so was Charlie.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  By, any normal person, like, what's, yeah.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  Well, we'll think about it. Think about this, Tucker. So they see this, right?

• 1:08:34Speaker 01

  Some globalist army? What? Why would I ever support something like that? Oh, shut up. How about no?

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, how about no?

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, anyway, so.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  But, but, no, no, you're right. And they knew that, okay, they assess the situation, right? And I often thought about, why are you alive, no offense? Or why, why is Candace alive, even though they want to kill her? So, I'm looking at this, and I'm, I'm seeing.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  We've had some close calls.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  That's true. They almost got you in Ukraine, right? Like, but yeah, but they, they, look at the force that's coming, though, Tucker. This, this is very important. And they see it, and they're like, if Trump is allowed to come in with these people, these people, like, the MAGA people. They are going to leave NATO. We're screwed. Without the United States, what is NATO? Absolutely fucking nothing, right? Like, nothing. So they're gonna leave NATO, they will stop Ukrainian war in Russia, they're gonna talk to Putin, and with all these people next to Trump, Trump will make the right decision. We will never get Iran. That will never happen. So that was the plan, you know this, for the longest time, Israel wanted

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  to get into Iran war, like, they wanted us in the Iran war. Even they themselves say that. So it's not a conspiracy theory that Elizabeth Lane is spitting.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, just the opposite. They've been talking about it openly in my presence for thirty years. So, yeah, no.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  So what happened, though, Tucker? You do the mess. What happened? What happened? They ousted Marjorie Taylor Greene, they ousted Thomas Messi. I, I wish we had a video of someone saying, oh yeah, it was me sending bitch shit about Tucker to President Trump. Oh, that's right, that was Lauterlumer, right, right? So, what they did is, they absolutely poisoned this man against everyone that was dangerous.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Of course. And who actually supported this program?

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly. So, as you know, with all these tools that you just looked at, all of these tools, how hard it is to put someone in a Truman Show?

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  One person. Once you isolate him all, from all the friends and allies that he has.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  I always say this.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  You sneak in an assistant who only feeds him pre-masticated lies.

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  And you control his brain. They may have done that.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. And the information war is the most important war. So, one more thing I want to say. You can be the best, most honest president in the world. You can be the best soldier in the world. And if someone puts a wrong intel in front of you and wrong information, you will go nowhere. Are you, do you agree with that?

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  I agree, but I mean, I talked to Trump about it so much and I know that um, he knew exactly what was gonna happen and he did it anyway. And so I just don't buy that explanation.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Interesting. So you're saying that he knew exactly what was going to happen?

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  He knew what the risks were. I think he convinced himself that as soon as he killed the Ayatollah, the country would collapse and we'd get some pro-Western leader or king or something.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  But um, no, no, he was very, very aware of what the risks were. I talked to him about it, so I know that. So I think the mechanism of control, you know, was probably a little more direct than what you're describing. But in general, I think, uh, I think you're absolutely right. He lives in a biosphere where no new information comes in and like you can only see, you know, Mark Levin or

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  Well, it's not even just

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  Marco Rubio.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  Exactly. Exactly. By the way, they love Marco Rubio, these guys.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  I'm aware.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  They hate J.D. Vance, and I brought that too. So they are afraid of J.D. Vance for some reason. Um, I, like I said-

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Why do you know that? How do you know that?

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  That, like I said, I've been watching them, Tucker, for like, when I did this investigation, I took down, if someone wants it, by the way, I took down every account who's related to who, who reshares who, why, what kind of texts. So they have this wave of campaigns, right? Um, and this is something I want to also mention. So I threatened Gary with a lawsuit. And as soon as they heard that I was going to sue, by the way, I'm not going to sue, my priest said, we're Christians and we are not going to fight demons, that's God's work. So like, you need to do what's your work and they can destruct you with all of this and they shouldn't.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  So you do what is assigned to you. Let God take care of these demons, right?

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Amazing and wonderful advice. That's the best advice.

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he was like, come to me in this like monastery and by the time you leave, you'll know the answer. And he was right. I know the answer. But when I did that, when I threatened to sue, swarm of Ukrainian trolls came after me, saying like, he will be famous for the reasons you don't want to. I mean, from kill you to will destroy you to all of it, like everything was there, every threat you can imagine, okay? Um, but then someone else showed up on the radar, which is also very important. Um, his name is Ryan Mauro. I didn't see the connection. And you asked for what is this Ukrainian and Zionist connection, like the, you know, Israeli connection?

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  Well, you know that Ryan is a raging Zionist, you know, he was like super Israeli, pro-Israeli supporter. And he also was a very big supporter of Lindsey Graham.

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  Um, Ryan gets into my-

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  How could you support Israel when they're committing genocide? It's like being pro-Nazi. Like, what? How could you have someone even say that out loud? And how could you be pro Lindsey Graham? I mean, maybe you like the guy. I always liked him as a person. He's a nice guy, funny guy, but like-

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  I never liked him.

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  Just as a, you know, he's like, I had dinner with Lindsey Graham many times and always enjoyed myself, but like, he was a death worshipper. How could you be for that? I don't understand.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  Exactly. Well, you know the ties that he had with Ukraine, right? Like Ukraine and, you know, Lindsey Graham was the biggest supporter for Ukraine. At the same time, he was a supporter of Israel. So something with this Ukraine and Israel is very connected. And again, they are under the same people. But Ryan Mauro is a great example for it. But here is how this, like, this is such a big web, Tucker, and someone needs to untangle it. And I don't know why people are not trying. So Ryan Mauro gets into my personal messages.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  And who is, can you just, for those who don't know who he is, Ryan Mauro?

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Mauro, yeah.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Is he, he runs a think tank?

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  Well, he has a nonprofit that is tied to this bigger nonprofit. Um, so it's like eight million a year or something. And this is how they maneuver around, like these operatives, right? So they are tied to Atlantic Council, they are tied to NATO, they have their own nonprofit, so they get paid through the nonprofits and donations that no one can track. So Ryan Mauro is one of the operatives that has Mauro Institute that is tied to this bigger nonprofit. God knows how he gets paid, but

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  He named it after himself? The Mauro Institute?

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mauro Institute.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  So, um, but here is something that I want you to pay attention. So this is Ryan tagging a Georgian troll here, saying that he worked with this particular account uh, to dive into me and find out some information. Okay? So, um, here's an interesting story that will tie everything in for you in a second.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:16:05Speaker 02

  So Ryan tags these accounts that he worked with these people. And I'm like, okay, great. Ryan is also the one protecting Green Beret Gary that is attacking Candace and me over Charlie Kirk. But Ryan is, has nothing to do with Charlie Kirk. Like Ryan is a separate actor against Russia.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  He's a foreign policy guy, yeah.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  Exactly. Well, should be a foreign policy guy. So he's protecting Gary, telling me not to sue Gary. And he's like, Elizabeth, this is not gonna end well for you. Like, we're not afraid of you. So, um, after that, um, this was against, so because I was going after their little propagandist Gary, right? Like, I'm going after Gary and Jen, like the producer, who mysteriously appeared with Gary after Charlie died. By the way, this guy has a tiny YouTube channel that he's monetizing or whatever and has a producer, which is weird. Because all the other guys that got the same offer from Ukraine said, Elizabeth, we don't have producers and we are like three times bigger than Gary.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  So how does this guy all of a sudden gets a producer after Charlie dies? He changed the narrative, gets paid by DOD. And it just, like, the proof lines up. Like, you just tell me what you need, I'll give you about this guy, right? Like, the money's there, all of a sudden gets a weird producer, we look into this producer and her friends are hugging Sersky in Ukraine.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  Yes! It's all on her freaking LinkedIn. We didn't even need to dig hard. So he reshares family, Zelensky's family, she reshares Zelensky's family with hearts, loves, all of that. And her friends that are hugging Sersky in Ukraine, all of a sudden, this woman ends up as a Gary's producer without, without producing experience. Okay? Just ends up as a Gary's producer. Gary changes this story, all of a sudden Tyler Robinson should be put on a death row because he killed Charlie Kirk, whatever. Goes after Candace, me, and everyone that ever challenged the narrative. These Green Berets reach out to me, tell me what's going on, right? This story that we just ended with. Then Ryan Mauro out of nowhere comes and starts to persuade me why I shouldn't sue Gary.

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  And if I do, it will end bad for me. I'm gonna, I'm gonna be the loser in that. And then I started diving into Ryan Mauro and what the connection is. He's such an idiot, Tucker, that he writes me that Gary shows personal messages to him. Again, please understand, these people should not be related in any shape and form. Do you show your personal messages to random people?

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  Not one person ever.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Cause they're personal.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I have this documented, him writing me that Gary shows personal messages to Ryan Mauro. I'm like, okay, what is, what the heck is going on here? So then I do this investigation and I put out some of it online and Ryan loses it. Like this investigation into Ukrainian trolls, NATO, all this. He just loses it.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  What's your beef with this? Right? So then he starts, um, his trolls attack me and these trolls that he tagged, I go after them to figure out who they are and I do. And I find one of them, a Georgian troll, this one. You don't need to read the name, but just so you know. And here's what I have to show you about that. So I find that guy, okay?

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Former intern at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Georgia.

• 1:19:28Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  Graduate of Caucus University in International Relations. Okay.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  So, but here's the best part, Tucker. So they put out my high school ID from Georgia. Like, for everyone to see. I don't know why they thought like that would intimidate me, like, I don't care, like, you can put out whatever you want. But I knew that Georgian was involved because no one can get the hands-on, that particular document without knowing like Georgian systems or so on. So I pushed them on something that's very sensitive. They will do anything not to, for people not to find out that military intelligence is behind this. They will do anything. So I publicly started stating, I know you work with intelligence, I know you work with intelligence.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  And they got so pressured by it that this troll that Ryan tagged to be working with, put out how he found my ID. What is wrong with this screenshot? Can you tell me what's wrong with this screenshot? Can you read it?

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  You can't read it, right?

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  No, it's, it's not an alphabet, Elizabeth.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Thank you. So it's in Georgian, Tucker. Remember they are supposed to be-

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Which looks a lot like Sanskrit, by the way. Did you know that?

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  No, I didn't know that because I grew up with it. So it doesn't look weird to me. But um, so this moron puts out how the entire process, by the way, screenshot by screenshot. Apparently, an American, this guy is supposed to be American. He says he's a proud American on his profile. Okay, so this so-called American not only reads Georgian and writes, but he can absolutely go through a very complex website in Georgian. How many Americans do you know that can do that?

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  I mean, I, I felt like I know a lot more about Georgia than your average American, and I don't think I'd ever seen the alphabet before. And it's, yeah, no.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  It gets better. So I confront him directly. I, I find him, I call Georgian journalists, and I'm like, I want everything on this guy. And I know, because I grew up in Georgia and I was born there, I know a lot of journalists in Georgia. So I call them up and I say, I want every single detail on this guy because he's a part of my investigation. And I just realized that there are NATO trolls that contract Ukrainian company, which is again, all documented, and seems like they also work with Georgian trolls. And I need to know everything. So they gave me everything. And I directly confronted the guy, wrote him. I said, I know what you're doing, and I will get to Georgia and deal with you myself. Guess what happens? Ryan Mauro panics

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  and tags a Ukrainian mercenary on a post telling me, what did you say would happen to Georgians? Question mark. So meaning he's Georgians, he's Georgian trolls. And he tags an Ukrainian mercenary accused of war crimes.

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  How does Ryan Mauro know a Ukrainian mercenary accused of war crimes?

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Does he live in like Arlington or something? This is bizarre.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  This is what's happening, Tucker. I have all the evidence for it. And he tags it, and I immediately, when he did that, I retagged his post and tagged JD Vance on it. And I said,

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  Vice President, an active attack on a journalist, American journalist, using Ukrainian mercenary in Georgian trolls by another American from Florida.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  He panicked when I tagged the, the Vice President on it. He panicked because they don't like him. They hate JD for some reason. So he panics and he writes me something like this.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  They hate JD, you're certain of it?

• 1:23:16Speaker 02

  They hate JD. They hate JD Vance. Because they, I will give you like a post that I print of the same people trashing him. They called him rotten brain, diarrhea, something. I mean, horrible stuff. So here, just so that you know, I'm talking the truth. This is what he wrote and tagged that guy on, the, the

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  Ukrainian mercenary, okay?

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  So as you can see, that's exactly, the Georgian is mentioned right there, Georgia. So as soon as I tagged JD Vance on it, he panics and he recorrects himself and says, well, I didn't want to threaten you. I only did it because you threatened the Georgians. I was like, Ryan, 10 minutes ago, there were no Georgian trolls. Are you admitting you work with them?

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  So Mauro is part of this much larger network.

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a tiny piece, but yes.

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  He's a tiny piece. Yeah, I just happen to know who he is. But most people I've never heard of.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  And they hate JD Vance. You said they're afraid of JD Vance. And you see that as a coordinated message across all these different networks.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  Any idea why?

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  Because he's not a globalist, that's why.

• 1:24:30Speaker 02

  That's why. Yeah.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  That is the threat. It's not about Israel or the Ukraine war, Charlie Kirk's murder individually. It's a, it's a whole worldview. And if you're against control of the world by oligarchs who hate Christianity, then you're not on the team and you must be destroyed.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Exactly. And they always, they have these operatives that, like fake Christians, they will always like come at you with, oh, yeah, like they will come at you with Bible verses and stuff like that. And at the same time, they operate trolls that put up my fellow journalist's dead brother and said, your brother is in hell online. The same people who come at you with Bible verses.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  They celebrate Zelensky.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  And Smotrich. I mean, Zelensky put priests and nuns in jail, in raided churches, in closed monasteries, and banned the country's largest Christian denomination. That's a fact. That just happened. I mean, it's happening now. How could Christians support that? How could Christians support the Israeli government, which is murdering Christians in Lebanon, the only Middle Eastern country with a Christian president? Like, it's, it's so not what I would have expected.

• 1:25:50Speaker 02

  They also bombed, you know, Jewish synagogue.

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  So I mean, this is why I don't believe that they, they believe any of this. Like, they, they are not religious in reality. They serve much darker forces. And they just want everyone that's a believer or believes in whatever god destroyed.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  I think that's right.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:14Speaker 01

  And they clearly, just to zoom out for one second, I mean, clearly, if you connect all of this stuff, all the, the wars since 9/11, 9/11 itself, the thread that connects all of it is the destruction of the United States. It's obvious to me that the goal, you couldn't push the President of the United States into a war that we cannot win. That best case scenario eliminates dollar dominance globally and hikes energy prices to a point where people starve to death in Africa and go broke in the United States. Like, you couldn't do that

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  if you were

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  supporting the US. Like, this seems like an effort to wreck the United States. That's what it seems like to me.

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  A percent. It's an effort to take United States out. The United States, yes, yes. Everything that I investigated suggests just that. They want to take the United States out. It used to be a cash cow. And they know that the United States will no longer can sustain to be a cash cow. So they want it out of the game completely. That's exactly where we are.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  I wouldn't have believed that five years ago, but it's so obvious if you ignore what they say and watch what they do, which is the only way to understand anything. I think you're right. They understood, the United States has reached the end of its useful life as a host.

• 1:27:36Speaker 02

  Couldn't agree more. And that's very dangerous for people like us who live here.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  I agree with that.

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, amazing. Okay, sorry. I just, you've, so you've thought of this?

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  That's what I've been doing for the last two months. Like, all I do is, I believe this network is extremely important. I know, I know people think it's hard to track them down. And I know that people have this idea. I told you, like, people have this idea that they've won, they've infiltrated the United States, they have people in the highest positions. Obviously, when Ukraine says to our military, we'll pay you, and above that, you can get rides and flights with the Secretary of State. Yeah, they do have people in the highest positions. Otherwise, they cannot state things like that.

• 1:28:27Speaker 01

  Right. So, but, I mean, so the previous administration opens the borders to the world.

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  Keeps the welfare state in place, bank, completely bankrupts the country. Oh, it's not bankrupt enough. How about another war for Israel that you literally cannot win, that just disarms you? We can't continue the Iran war because we have no more defensive, we, our stock of defensive missiles is so low.

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  So what are you watching here? You're watching a country being bankrupted, destroyed, totally chaotic domestically because of mass migration. I, I don't see that any of that could be an accident. These are not dumb people. Like, they know what they're doing, right?

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  They know exactly what they're doing. And that's why most operatives that I just named to you that are doing this, and again, you looked at it, you read it yourself, you don't know. That's the crazy part. Most people that are working on these levels, you have no idea who they are. And that is the key. But I said this before, if you want to get to the king, start with a drug dealer in the streets, and he will lead you to the mafia boss. And that's what I did here. I was like, okay, why is this person attacking, like Tucker, Candace, me? What's going on here? Then he led me to another one, then another one. Then all of a sudden, he led me to a, a real face, a propagandist that's attacking me.

• 1:29:44Speaker 02

  His friends are calling me, well, we know what the deal with this guy is. Let me, let, let us educate you. And all these like layers just all of a sudden got uncovered. It's not that hard. It's not that hard. Follow these pieces and they will lead you to the center.

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  It's, it's horrifying. It's horrifying.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  And it also means, I should say, because I care, it means the destruction of Europe.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, like I said, like Europe is a Europe with Russia is a threat to these people.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  Because if Europe is thriving with Russian cheap energy, then they don't have the control. You can't control people who have nothing, you know, like who have nothing to be afraid of.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Right? Like you can't control people who are well off. They don't, they are not afraid to lose their jobs. They are not afraid for like any threats. You can't control them. The only way you can control them is to put them in the state of Ukraine. Like Ukraine is today. It's a country without rules, without, I mean, they are operating these trolls and domestically, people who are allowing it are not afraid. They laugh at the FBI. What? You're gonna arrest some Ukrainian troll? Good luck with that.

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  I love the word Ukrainian, though. I mean, it makes it sound like that you're average Ukrainian, like the Ukrainian people are for, it's like the Russian revolution. We were taught the Russians, you know, overthrew the czar, destroyed the monarchy. Like no Russians involved. And it doesn't seem like there are any Ukrainians involved in this. It seems like outsiders, people who are not in any meaningful way Ukrainian.

• 1:31:28Speaker 02

  Not at all. And the

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  And Ukraine itself is being totally destroyed.

• 1:31:32Speaker 02

  Yes. They are dragging people off the streets and putting in the, you know, in the vans to send them off to the front lines. So usually Ukrainians must die so that globalists can get their states. That's what's going on. That's what's going on.

• 1:31:47Speaker 01

  How obvious is that to the rest of the world, do you think?

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  Not obvious, obviously, not enough.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  Sorry, interrupted your

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  No, no, no, it's a

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  Your explanation. I just was keep thinking like, what's the point of, what could possibly be the point of destroying global energy supplies? What? What are you doing?

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean,

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  They're clearly doing something and it's not about the Iranian nuclear program and it's not about, you know, the oblasts in eastern Ukraine. It's definitely not about that.

• 1:32:15Speaker 02

  Well, you remember what the globalist agenda, how well do you know these globalists? Do you know them? Do you know what their

• 1:32:21Speaker 01

  I swear my life around these people, but I never took seriously or seriously enough like the, you know, and you would see these reports from the WEF conference. And you'd be like, this sounds a little nutty, really like Klaus Schwab. Have you met Klaus Schwab? He's like this elderly kind of semi, he's just sad person. He's not running anything. And I just thought, oh, it's overstated. People are being paranoid. And now I guess I don't feel that way. It's all becoming real.

• 1:32:47Speaker 02

  It is all becoming real. And I think they took that because we started ignoring this and all he the, look at Klaus Schwab, what an old like irrelevant.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  Well, that that ignorance of ours, mine too, got us here where they are actually controlling NATO today and are doing this kind of stuff that we've never heard of.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  And the American tax dollars are going to propagate foreign propaganda in my country.

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:33:13Speaker 01

  And the First Amendment is basically gone in real life. You don't have freedom of speech, obviously, in this country. And the Second Amendment, can you really defend yourself? Not, not that I can tell.

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  No. And like

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  So our core freedoms are

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  Gone.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:29Speaker 02

  Gone. So like I said, I believe that, you know, we are right now wrestling with these people at the edge of the cliff. And it's not that they are ahead of us or, you know, we are ahead of them. No, we are wrestling at the edge of the cliff. And one of us will go over. And what decides that is how fast we wake up to things like this. So what it, what started as a completely innocent, whatever trolls, completely innocent troll doesn't exist, but whatever, harassment, targeted harassment online, turned out to be a whole full blown operation. Like a few years ago, many of them, Integrity Initiative, NATO's 2019

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  deal. And all of a sudden, we have Ukrainian company reaching out to our former special forces saying, you have to spread propaganda for us. And if you don't, we will get you fired.

• 1:34:26Speaker 02

  What started innocently led to that.

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  Can you just go through a list? Cause I, cause we can't know anybody's true motive. Most people don't even understand their own motives. Like they don't know ourselves that well. But we can look at their behavior and then make inferences, judgments on the basis of it. So they're attacking anyone who isn't for like continuing the Ukraine war. They're attacking anyone who's

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  Everyone that's anti-war. Everyone. It doesn't matter if it's Ukrainian war. So they attacked everyone with Ukrainian war, Iran war, any war. If you are anti-war, you will get attacked, get attacked by these people. That's guaranteed.

• 1:35:08Speaker 01

  If you've got questions about Charlie Kirk's murder.

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. They are most vicious about that.

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  I think that's just the weirdest thing I've ever heard. And I'll leave it to others to figure out why. But I think that's just amazing and very freaking revealing. Like what?

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  If I'm them, if I'm running like an op on behalf of Zelensky, I'd be like, yeah, let's take a pass on like some domestic story in the United States. It's got nothing to do with us whatsoever. That'd be my take. Like why muddy our mission with that? What does that have to do with anything? One of these is not like the others. That's the one. That is bizarre, but you're positive that's true.

• 1:35:43Speaker 02

  That is true. Absolutely. But like provably true.

• 1:35:46Speaker 01

  Provably true.

• 1:35:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  I think you've already proved it.

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:48Speaker 01

  Um, so war, Charlie Kirk, JD Vance.

• 1:35:53Speaker 02

  JD Vance.

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  What about Trump?

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  Oh, they are taking Trump.

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  Still?

• 1:35:58Speaker 02

  Yes. So, so with Trump, they are much smarter than, um, and on Trump, again, if anyone wants, I can provide ton of screenshots and evidence. This is all I did. So I've noticed that every single time Trump's go, goes off rails and kind of detaches from their agenda and goes back to MAGA. Like, for example, let's make a deal with Iran. Let's make this, let's make the slender starts. Like, yes, you, the bigger ones, you saw what Lara Lumer did? What? He took Trump's side? No. He did. She didn't.

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  I didn't actually see what that person did.

• 1:36:34Speaker 02

  So

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  good for you.

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  I didn't, I didn't.

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  No one should pay attention. But these people who are

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  But what did that person do?

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  Well, they, they, they trashed Trump. They criticized Trump like for what? Not recently, when the first deal happened. Remember like when, um, what was it? I forget the date, but the first time we actually made the peace suggestion with, with Iran.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  Oh, but in the last year, she trashed Trump.

• 1:37:00Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly. And then later, it was again, the same propaganda, it's the same people. Uh, I remember you had a show about it when you said, we didn't even consult with Israel. And that infuriated him, that, these people.

• 1:37:16Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  Yes. Again, documentedly, they went completely off rails, attacking everyone, including Trump, JD. And they called JD the worst negotiator, good negotiator of some sort. Yes. And they were upset that JD Vance, by the way, this Georgian troll as well, the Georgian one that I found,

• 1:37:37Speaker 02

  has no beef with, with Vice Presidents of the United States, yet he's pushing out things like, why are we sending JD Vance anywhere?

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  We?

• 1:37:47Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  You're in Tbilisi, son. Sit this one out.

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:37:53Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:37:54Speaker 02

  Exactly. So again, documentedly, I have the face of the guy. I know who he works for. And you will be surprised, or maybe not, to know that he works for an American company, private company.

• 1:38:08Speaker 02

  For the person that used to be part of the same nonprofits.

• 1:38:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:13Speaker 02

  And led, led Saakashvili through the revolution.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  I'm not surprised at all.

• 1:38:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:38:18Speaker 01

  Who do they like?

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  They like Marco Rubio.

• 1:38:21Speaker 01

  They do?

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. That, that Marco is gonna be, I don't know about much about Marco Rubio. I don't know him personally. So I'm not gonna sit here, criticize or praise him. I, you know what I mean?

• 1:38:32Speaker 01

  Just wanna know what this network of propagandists, and it's literally a network, they're coordinated, obviously.

• 1:38:39Speaker 02

  They, they, they love Marco so much that they wanna deport me as an agent, Tucker. And they take Marco. Every time they wanna deport me, they go with Marco Rubio. Hey, Marco Rubio, can you just deport Elizabeth Lang? She's a Russian agent.

• 1:38:51Speaker 01

  Aren't you an American citizen?

• 1:38:52Speaker 02

  I am. And I've been an American citizen for a long time now, but they wanna deport me anyway. I guess I'm, I'm ruffling feathers.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  So they, they ask Marco Rubio to deport you?

• 1:39:03Speaker 02

  Oh, yes. I don't know if you got my

• 1:39:06Speaker 01

  But these people, the, the people you've described love Marco Rubio.

• 1:39:10Speaker 02

  They do. They always praise Marco. They never go after him and they always attack him on everything. Yeah. They, they are very scared. And this is a fear. I, I can say this with full responsibility. They are scared of JD Vance and exposing themselves to JD Vance. They never attack him on anything, but they attack him all the time. Like they have campaigns of attacks. And I wanna say something about this Michael Weiss guy because it ties into

• 1:39:39Speaker 01

  Michael Weiss.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  Weiss, excuse me. Yeah.

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  No, no, you're doing well. You, I don't know how many languages you speak. I speak one, so.

• 1:39:46Speaker 02

  Thank you. So Michael Weiss,

• 1:39:50Speaker 02

  he's a very interesting figure. And this is how all of it ties

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  Journalist?

• 1:39:56Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know who Michael Weiss is.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  You know, he's supposed to be a journalist.

• 1:40:00Speaker 01

  Is he an award-winning journalist?

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  You know, I, I have not looked in his awards.

• 1:40:04Speaker 01

  You've got to assume guys like that have won a lot of awards.

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  Well, his friend does. You know who's, who his friend is?

• 1:40:09Speaker 01

  Who?

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  Peter Pormerancev from this famous board that we started with. Oh, yes. So Michael Weiss and Peter Pormerancev authored a piece together that became NATO's state, state comms like an Atlantic Council's, like a doctrine piece on Russia.

• 1:40:26Speaker 01

  Seriously?

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  Seriously. They authored a piece together on Russia and disinformation or something like that.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  They think they own Russia, I've noticed, guys like this.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do. They, they, they are always the ones that organizations like NATO and others always like, kind of, you know, address to comment on Russia and stuff like that, which is very, I just don't get it. I don't understand it because they know nothing about Russia, really. So.

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  But there's this sense of entitlement, like Russia's ours and it's fallen into alien hands, or it's like, what? You've got.

• 1:41:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:03Speaker 01

  You're from, you're not from Russia. Like, what are you talking about?

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  None of them are. Yeah.

• 1:41:08Speaker 01

  But do you, do you feel that? I mean, there's an emotional intensity that suggests ownership, lost ownership, like it's been stolen from them.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Very true. You know, it's very wise.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Weirdest thing I've ever seen.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  Very insane.

• 1:41:22Speaker 01

  I don't feel that way about any country, including ones my ancestors came from. I was just like, okay, it's your country. I don't want my country to be taken, however. I don't want to lose my first and second amendments.

• 1:41:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, I, I agree with you. And it is, I don't know why they feel like they, they own Russia, or they should own Russia, but they do. Like I said, Peter Pormerancev came in front of our Senate saying, we should do something about Russians liking Putin.

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  I was like, are you serious? Why should you do anything about that? Can you just move on? Your country is Ukraine.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  Why is that your business?

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. And this is like before, there was no like conflict or anything, like it's not even your country. Leave, dude. You chose British citizenship. Go live in Britain.

• 1:42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, they don't care about countries. So that's interesting.

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  Really interesting. And so Michael Weiss wrote a piece with him that is now used in effect as doctrine by NATO?

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. So by, by Atlantic Council and NATO. So this is a famous piece, like I, I urge everyone to look up because they partnered up on this. And this connection was big for me because I didn't know, I knew that Michael Weiss was trashing JD Vance, wrote an article about me, and all this like MAGA trashing comes from this guy a lot. But here's an interesting part. Please follow this story. Michael Weiss is constantly reshared by this Georgian troll I found, constantly. Tucker, I, you know a lot at this point about Georgia, but trust me when I tell you, no one in Georgia knows who Michael Weiss is.

• 1:43:02Speaker 01

  Well, I didn't know he was, right.

• 1:43:04Speaker 02

  Why is a Georgian troll or influencer or whatever reshares Michael Weiss articles? Like, like almost it's, it's his job for the engagement, right? For Michael Weiss to be constantly, he's one of them. There's got thousands like that. So the point is, these operatives these people have reshare each other to boost each other, right? So this Georgian troll constantly shares Michael Weiss so that Michael Weiss is boosted all the time. And there's thousands like him. Ukrainian trolls, Georgian trolls, all of this. So no one in Georgia knows who these guys, I didn't know who these guys until I started investigating. And all of a sudden I find this Georgian that is obsessed with Michael.

• 1:43:47Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:43:48Speaker 02

  The same Georgian reshares Ryan Mauro.

• 1:43:51Speaker 01

  What does Michael Weiss do for a living? Does he have a job somewhere?

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's a journalist, The Insider.

• 1:43:56Speaker 01

  The Insider.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  Yes. This is where he trashes MAGA and wrote an article about me, but it gets better, Tucker. So remember Ryan Mauro?

• 1:44:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  So Ryan was writing a hit piece on me and he's asking questions about it. He's asking me about this special ops guy that I had on my show. Like I had him on my show with the Navy SEAL. So Russian special ops guy was on my show with the Russian, uh, sorry, American Navy SEAL. And the idea of the show was, I want to bring two military people on the opposite side together. No politics. I told them both, we're not going to talk about politics. I want you to just see each other as normal people. Two special ops guys discussing life. It was one of the best shows ever. They started talking about their previous wives and how like, you know, it's always the second or third wife with these people because of their job.

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  I mean, it was the funniest thing ever. Like Jay loved him, Dima loved Jay, and they were like, we'll send you gifts. Like, this is how the show ended. Okay?

• 1:44:57Speaker 01

  It's how the world could work, actually, if it weren't for people like Ryan Mauro. But yeah.

• 1:45:02Speaker 02

  So true. And so Ryan wants to write a hit piece about me, that I had Russian special ops on my show. How dare I? Okay. So he asks me about this and I engage him because he's stupid enough to give me all this information. So I told him what the show was, all of this. So we are back and forth, back and forth. Then Ryan stops. The day Michael Weiss drops that article that Ryan gathered for him, I kid you not.

• 1:45:32Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  Yes. I have screenshots of the conversation, Ryan sending me Dima's pictures, asking how it happened, what happened, all of that. Next week, Michael Weiss on The Insider drops an article how MAGA influencer, me, MAGA influencer that invited Tucker Carlson, that's a jab on you, and interviewed Candace Owens, that's a jab on Candace, had a Russian Spetsnaz officer and was dating a Russian, completely different person, not this guy, but was dating a Russian. So the idea is that it's a Russian ring going on here. Yeah.

• 1:46:11Speaker 01

  But I just want to say for the record that I don't, I don't understand why we're at war with Russia. I didn't want to go to war with Russia. I'm not against Russia.

• 1:46:19Speaker 02

  I don't understand.

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  I don't know any Americans who are, who want to be at war with Russia. Like, none of this happened with reference to what people who live here want.

• 1:46:26Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  This is like a tiny group of people decided that they own Russia somehow, and we have to use our military and our money to break up Russia into various regimes, whatever. Nobody wants that. I don't want that. I'm not at war with Russia. I'm not an enemy of Russia. I'm never going to play along with this. I don't, do you know what I mean?

• 1:46:45Speaker 02

  I feel the same way.

• 1:46:46Speaker 01

  We're so far down the road, we're 10 years down the road into this Russia's the enemy thing, and I'm just never going to participate in it. Why would I?

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. And what I don't understand is why Ryan Mauro, who doesn't work for The Insider or Michael Weiss at all, they should not even know each other, gets an article ready, sends it to Michael so that Michael can put it in a bigger outlet like Insider. That's what I don't understand. And by the way, if anyone still doubts it was Ryan, like I said, I have all the proof that it was. And the second it drops, the second the article drops, Tucker, Ryan's message comes through. Not the best day for you, is it?

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, these, these are mean people.

• 1:47:29Speaker 02

  I was like, Ryan, if you think that me having a Russian special ops and you putting it on an Insider somehow scares me or intimidates me, you're very wrong. So I.

• 1:47:40Speaker 01

  You're from Georgia, so how weird is it to have a Russian boyfriend once in a while? Is that really weird?

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  You know, it was great, Tucker.

• 1:47:47Speaker 01

  No, but leaving aside like the specifics of your relationship.

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:47:52Speaker 01

  Isn't Georgia right near Russia? That's what I had heard. Someone had told me that.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  It's right there, right there. We have lots of Russians in there, too.

• 1:47:58Speaker 01

  Right. And you speak Russian because you grew up speaking Russian, like most Georgians.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  So is it super crazy to, to date a Russian?

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  No, not at all, actually. And if you go to Georgia today and due to war, there are a ton of Russians. Like literally in every corner, you hear Russian language due to war all the time because the, the only non-sanctioned country around is Georgia. So they can use their internet and so on.

• 1:48:27Speaker 01

  But they're mad at you because you dated a Russian once?

• 1:48:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're mad at me because I dated a Russian. By the way, openly, how long have you known that? Did, since the day I met you, you knew that I dated Russian? Because I just speak about it without any problems.

• 1:48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you said you liked him. That's okay. That doesn't bother me.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, but again, even though he's in past right now, but it's not dead, Tucker. I mean, I'm okay with that. They can call me whatever the heck they want. They literally accused our former special ops guys, Green Berets and Navy SEALs of being Russian agents. So you know what? I'm honored. That's all I have to say.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, they accused me of being a Russian agent and I have no connection to Russia at all. Other than I think it's the coolest country I've ever been to and I've been to most countries. So that's a high compliment to Russia, but it doesn't, but ultimately for the United States. That's why I'm against funding a war against Russia because it crushes us and it has crushed us.

• 1:49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:24Speaker 01

  So they like, I just want to make sure I got through the list. They like Rubio.

• 1:49:31Speaker 02

  They love Marco Rubio. Lindsey Graham was their favorite always. In fact, when Lindsey Graham died, it was Roger Stone was the one who posted something really bad and Ryan just lashed out on him. And I was like, what are you doing, dude? Like, what are you doing? Why are you going after people that are posting their opinions about Lindsey Graham? Who are you? Why are you Lindsey's little defender?

• 1:49:56Speaker 01

  That's all very weird. There are reasons. I don't. So they like Lindsey. They like Marco Rubio, basically same.

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:50:03Speaker 01

  Same person.

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  They hate JD. They, with Trump, it's cold and hot depending on if Trump is siding with Zionists. They have nothing to say. By the way, they won't say anything good about Trump. So they just stop. Like if Trump is on the right path, they just, it's like a line. But if he goes off the path, I can send you like at least 20 plus something screenshots of them trashing Trump completely.

• 1:50:31Speaker 01

  Do they like anyone else? Foreign leaders? They like Zelensky?

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. They love Zelensky. They like Finnish President Stubb, Stubb, very much, which is understandable. By the way, did you know that it was Lindsey Graham who introduced Stubb and Trump?

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  No, that's also sad.

• 1:50:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:50Speaker 01

  It's a great country. They'll destroy Finland.

• 1:50:52Speaker 02

  Lindsey Graham and Stubb apparently were always in contact and they are good friends. We're, we're good friends.

• 1:50:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, whenever people like this get involved, your country winds up being heavily African. So that'll happen to Finland because that's part of the program. You, you watch. Check the demographics of Finland today. It's like one of the most genetically cohesive countries outside Iceland in the world. And in 30 years, it won't be. And that's not an accident. That's what they want.

• 1:51:22Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. And one more thing, if you allow me to say, so with this propagandists, this Ukrainian and Georgians and this trolls and this NATO experiment of 2019 and all that to put together. So I said, they are used, these bot for accounts and these fake accounts are used to amplify then Israeli big names, right? Like this, you know, the propagandists that are under Farah, that are paid. So they are used to amplify. So it's like a well-working relationship between Ukraine's, this company that got hired by NATO in Ukraine and Israelis. So there's like a good collaboration. Like we have the faces and the big people that are speaking for Ukraine.

• 1:52:06Speaker 02

  And you guys have the bots to swarm the comments and change the narratives, right? They, they had one more thing that was very important and you would probably never experience it because you're too big, but people like me will. So they block, they protect in the hack integrity initiative, the, the original hack that we started with. They said, if someone like a voice like me or someone who's like saying that they don't like, you need to block these accounts from the accounts we protect. So what does that mean? So if they are protecting Marco Rubio, for example, or some accounts that they don't want my voice to reach, they will block accounts like me.

• 1:52:50Speaker 01

  I noticed that there's a disproportionate number of veterans on the list of pro-globalist influencers.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes.

• 1:52:59Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:53:02Speaker 02

  I think there's one main reason. Like I said, they, they need the United States fully under control. And they've trained people in the, in the United States that military is without a question respected and whatever they say goes.

• 1:53:18Speaker 01

  Not by me, it's not. I don't understand. I mean, I respect the men who died.

• 1:53:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:23Speaker 01

  Including my ancestors who died defending the country or died in its wars in any case. But I don't know why I would have to respect Millie. You know what I mean? Or some buffoon who happens to be chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who uses American lives recklessly. Like, why would I have respect for that person? That person's evil. If you're throwing away American lives? I don't respect you. Why would I?

• 1:53:47Speaker 02

  And you shouldn't. And I'm glad you said that because I feel the same. But then they will attack you as anti-Western and anti-patriot. So they will call you all kinds of names, but that's the thing.

• 1:53:58Speaker 01

  Just kind of been here too long to be intimidated by that. Seb Gorka, who's from some foreign country is going to lecture me.

• 1:54:05Speaker 02

  So yeah, that's the guy.

• 1:54:06Speaker 01

  Family fought the Revolutionary War. I don't think I'm going to take a lot of abuse from you, Seb Gorka. Go away. Yeah. Back to Budapest, son. That's how I personally feel. So it doesn't work on me. But I, but I also think like, if you care about veterans, some of whom are so damaged, as you know.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:21Speaker 01

  We've just talked about this at breakfast. Who damaged them? Their commanding officers did that actually, and the civilian leadership that sent them there did that. I don't, why would I support that?

• 1:54:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, but they know that most Americans have been trained into this thought that no matter what, your military has to be put on a pedestal. You cannot question it. And that goes back to.

• 1:54:44Speaker 01

  Who would buy something like that?

• 1:54:46Speaker 02

  Many people, Tucker. Many people, like many people do because how dare you offend our image? Look what happened when Candace said something like, don't enlist. Everyone lost their shit. Like, I'm like, she's saying the right thing. Like what? So I, I will enlist for what? To fight for Israel? Like, are you crazy? Are you crazy?

• 1:55:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Would your ancestors be proud of you?

• 1:55:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  Of course not. Of course not.

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, um, and one more important thing, and we can end the saga of these trolls with that. So you know, Charlie Kirk's case was going on, like the hearing and stuff. And this is more how like the connection is so clear with this particular story between the Ukrainian trolls and the Israeli propagandists that a friend of yours was here talking about with, you know, Bruce, Bruce Wick, what's his last name?

• 1:55:43Speaker 01

  Alex Bruswick.

• 1:55:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, Alex. So Alex was talking about, and he said something, well, you know, recently he said, I'm not worried about Lara Lumer being one of them and he should be, and I'll explain why. So I attend Charlie Kirk's court cases. Everyone knows this. Everyone knows that Elizabeth Lane has been there from day one, even when Charlie's parents were not there and, you know, or wife or anybody. I was there from day one. This is like before Tyler even got his defense. So I usually typically attend it. But these last few hearings, I was there, but last two I had to miss due to my business meetings with a friend.

• 1:56:23Speaker 02

  So usually I go with girls, four other girls. We are all together and we sit through the hearing to document everything. So we don't miss anything. Okay. I texted girls. They knew I had a business meeting. I said, guys, you're on your own tomorrow and day after. So please document everything. If something happens like, so we know. And I constantly check with them, like, how are you guys? Did you get in? Did you get your wristband? Whatever. Next day I wake up, Tucker, and the internet is going crazy with my name on it. I'm like, what's going on? And all of a sudden I see Lara Lumer resharing stuff, like these big names, the big names. She's resharing stuff and they say Elizabeth Lane was at the courtroom and got kicked out.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  I'm literally sitting at home waking up and I'm like, what the heck is happening? So everyone reshared this. Lara said that I got kicked out or something similar, like got banned, kicked out. And then it started with this Mormon kid, like some kid that no one has heard about, some new influencer that viciously protects Israel and TPUSA and all these people. He's on air saying, oh, they are well aware of Elizabeth Lane's presence, meaning at the court, and they ban her. Now, English is not my first language, Tucker, but I'm asking you as a pro.

• 1:57:49Speaker 01

  You're doing pretty well.

• 1:57:50Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you. So I'm asking you as a pro, what does Elizabeth Lane's presence mean? What, what does that mean? That I'm there, right?

• 1:57:58Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 1:57:58Speaker 02

  But I'm not.

• 1:57:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  So I'm, I'm literally sitting at home about to have a meeting with the, with this friend, business meeting.

• 1:58:08Speaker 02

  And I'm like, what's going on? So I'm texting the girls. We found out that they spread this lie in case someone wants to understand if these people are propagandists or really fighting Russian disinformation. Okay. In case someone wants to know. There's a documented evidence on my ex and not just my ex, how they are lying that I was at the court and I got kicked out because I was harassing a widow.

• 1:58:34Speaker 01

  But you weren't there.

• 1:58:35Speaker 02

  I was never even there and documentedly, my phone will ring next to my house in the cafe that I had meeting in, like my phone, if they ever want to check. I have two witnesses to say where I was exactly when this was going on. And I have four girls at the court that walked in alone with all the cameras. So they can never in million years prove that I was even there.

• 1:58:58Speaker 01

  What's interesting to me about that is like, this is an organized effort. This is an organized propaganda effort. And I just want to say for the fifth time, I don't understand what Charlie Kirk's murder, which was such a tragedy for people who knew him and loved him. What does that have to do with the rest of their agenda? I mean, that's like so out of left field that it's just, it tells you a lot. I wish there was an honest person involved in that effort. We could ask, like, what, what is this?

• 1:59:30Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:59:31Speaker 01

  Why are you paying people to take a specific position in this story?

• 1:59:35Speaker 02

  He just made it up though, Tucker. That's the crazy part. Like who makes up a lie like that and gives it to the network to distribute it? And Lara Lumer was one of the big accounts. We shared it twice from her own and from Lumer reporter unleashed or whatever she has. So she was not the only one. All of these people that I'm talking about, we shared it like a train seals. And I was like, guys, are you okay? So what happened, in my opinion, is that they expected me there. They don't know that I was not going, right? They didn't know. So they said, why don't we say that she was at the court, which she would come, right? And got banned. I don't know why they think it's going to ruin my reputation or whatever.

• 2:00:19Speaker 02

  Like I will not investigate or something. So got banned. Or the, the idea was to really ban me, right? Like, so I was there and someone would really ban me. So that, I don't know what was their intention to do this stuff. I mean, it's really, it's insane. It's insane. It's if I said Tucker Carlson got banned from a concert you've never been to. Like, what? So that's exactly what they did. And then we thought about it, me and the girls, we said, and we were like, maybe they wanted to scare you so the last day, when they knew that video would not be shown to the public. Like I was the only biggest creator that was independent in the court. Rest of them were invited by TPUSA.

• 2:01:02Speaker 02

  So Graham Allen's and Ben, Ben, um, sorry, Benny Johnson's, these are all their people. So I was the only biggest creator that was invited, not invited, but that was in court without invitation. And the other girls were very little creators, small creators, so they didn't have the voice. And we thought that they just wanted to kick me out so I would not say what I saw.

• 2:01:26Speaker 01

  What, who, I never talk about this, but you brought it up a couple of times, Lumer. What is that?

• 2:01:34Speaker 01

  I mean, what is the point of that operation? Whatever that is.

• 2:01:37Speaker 02

  You would be happy to know that Lara Lumer, who swears to be President Trump's biggest supporter, reshares Michael Weiss. And I have the screenshots to prove it.

• 2:01:49Speaker 01

  Reshares Michael Weiss attacking Trump?

• 2:01:52Speaker 02

  Not, I don't know whether it was Trump or definitely reshares Michael Weiss and his opinions. And which I don't understand because, because Michael Weiss is anti-MAGA and he was always on the liberal side of things. So I don't understand why would Lara Lumer even reshare any of these posts?

• 2:02:07Speaker 01

  All these people on the liberal side of things, every single one of them, right?

• 2:02:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:11Speaker 01

  I mean, that's what liberalism is. It's a worldview that, you know, it's an effort to destroy the West. Of course it's worked. And, but that's, that's where it came from, same people. And so, um, yeah, of course they're all liberals. I'm not a liberal. That's, uh, that's why they're always calling you names, you're not a liberal.

• 2:02:29Speaker 02

  Not once I have reshared Mark Levine in a positive light, not once.

• 2:02:34Speaker 01

  Well, he's a liberal.

• 2:02:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. So why would anyone do that when they claim to be MAGA? Why would they reshare people like Mauro, which she has done this?

• 2:02:44Speaker 01

  So what's her agenda, do you think?

• 2:02:48Speaker 02

  I, I think Lara Lumer is someone who directly works for Zionist globalists. So Zionist slash, I should say globalist, because they are the same thing. They are the same thing. Globalist cabal. And she will do whatever they tell her to do, including come after you or Candace or whoever, Meghan Kelly, who did nothing.

• 2:03:08Speaker 01

  Did nothing.

• 2:03:10Speaker 02

  I don't know why they are going so hard on Meghan. And she was just like, can you just keep me out of it? And they were like, no, we won't.

• 2:03:17Speaker 01

  What is that? What, that is a really interesting, I mean, I've seen this with a lot of people, but Meghan Kelly is the most obvious, uh, and most famous example of it. But Meghan did not seek these fights at all. And said it exactly, I keep, I'm not, you know, I've got other things I'm interested in, but they wouldn't allow her, uh, to be neutral. And they tried to destroy her. I mean, they really tried to destroy her. Like it was unbelievable what they did to her. Why?

• 2:03:48Speaker 02

  Because you're not allowed to be neutral. Like again, their main goal, they say, is to fight Russian disinformation. Okay? That's how they go around, even the Zionists, like Russia, Russia, Russia. You saw Lumer, oh, it's Iran, Russia, Iran, Russia. So their goal is that, but when you really examine what they do, like I have, they don't fight Russian disinformation. You know how many propagandists Russia has, like real propagandists that they pay to? There are plenty. None of them go after them. They go after independent journalists because it's not about fighting Russian disinformation. It's about killing absolutely innocent and right voices. That's what they do.

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  Right. Cause they hate the truth above all.

• 2:04:31Speaker 02

  They hate the truth. Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  So are you going to continue doing this?

• 2:04:37Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. Hundred percent.

• 2:04:41Speaker 01

  Can I just ask why?

• 2:04:43Speaker 02

  It's a good question, Tucker. I, I cannot give you like a specific answer. What I know is that I tried to get out of this. Like I tried to leave and, you know, do something different that, uh, would not, would not require me to be in front of all these attacks and stuff. And, um, I couldn't. I, I wake up every day with a bigger force than me saying, this is your purpose. You need to continue. And no matter, terrible things will come, just know. And I spoke to my priest and he said the same thing, like, you know, that more attacks will come after this especially.

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  That is for sure.

• 2:05:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I said, like, bring it on. That's all I can say. Like, why do you do it? Why do you do it, Tucker?

• 2:05:33Speaker 01

  I'm not afraid at all. Not even a tiny bit. I don't know why. But because it's, it's, it's true. And I think it's important to tell the truth or try, you know, knowing you're going to screw it up and, you know, say things that are not true. And then you correct yourself and keep going, but just like make a good faith effort to tell the truth. I think that's like the ticket price to self-respect and happiness.

• 2:05:57Speaker 02

  But it's bigger than that, isn't it though? It's bigger than that. Something wakes you up in the morning with that thought that you have to continue doing what Tucker Carlson does. And that's like coming from a bigger force.

• 2:06:09Speaker 01

  Well, I certainly believe that. I certainly believe that. Yeah. Protected in some eternal sense, yes.

• 2:06:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:15Speaker 01

  Maybe not in this life, but that's okay.

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  Elizabeth Lane, thank you. That was, I worried that that would be too confusing, but it wasn't confusing. You described it. I'm positive. And you described it so well.

• 2:06:28Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:06:29Speaker 01

  And I'm grateful.

• 2:06:30Speaker 02

  I, this is so important, Tucker. Like this should be investigated by Congress, like, you know, the, the freaking church committee was.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  Oh, I know.

• 2:06:40Speaker 02

  It's absolutely crazy.

• 2:06:42Speaker 01

  Committee.

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:43Speaker 01

  I was thinking the church committee last night, actually. I was thinking I grew up hearing of the church committee was so bad.

• 2:06:50Speaker 01

  I can't believe it. Speaking of propaganda, anyway.

• 2:06:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:53Speaker 01

  Uh, excuse me. Thank you.

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Thank you.