Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him

Having been indicted by the Biden DOJ for political crimes, New York Mayor Eric Adams is sounding a lot like a Trump voter these days. (00:00) Eric Adams’ Indictment Is Ridiculous (06:04) How Biden Destroyed New York With Immigration (19:18) What Do New Yorkers Think About the Illegal Immigrants? (20:18) Pressing Adams on His Sanctuary City Policy (22:35) How Illegal Immigration Is Fueling America’s Labor Crisis (29:30) How to Clean Up New York Paid partnerships with: Jase Medical: Promo code “Tucker” for extra discount at https://Jasemedical.com Cozy Earth: Promo code “Tucker” for up to 40% off at https://CozyEarth.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Tucker Carlson?

  Mr. Mayor, thank you very much for having us to Gracie Mansion.

• 0:02Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you. Historical place, you know.

• 0:04Tucker Carlson?

  And you live here?

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Yes, upstairs there's a residency, but you know, I was, get back to Brooklyn from time to time, my place of love.

• 0:13Tucker Carlson?

  I kinda like this. I read through the indictment today on the way here, I read it the day it came out, I'm not, I have no reason to suck up to you, I, I thought it was ridiculous, it was flimsier even than I remember. You were indicted for accepting upgraded flights, and for, for allowing the Turkish president to occupy his own building in, in Manhattan. The whole thing's crazy, actually, if you read it. What was your reaction when you found out you were being indicted?

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Well, I, I know how I live my life, you know, former police officer, the, one rule, my staff always tell you, he says all the time, follow the rules, follow law, follow law. And so when I heard of this investigation, I was like, what? What, what could I have done that would cause what I was seeing? And then when I read it, I was like, where the bags of cash?

• 1:09Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's what I thought.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  Where, where were these, you know, this secret stash somewhere? And what many people did not read, they saw the presentation that was given, and it was, you walk away with saying, oh my God, what did this guy do? But when you, when you read it and you saw that, I didn't open the consulate, I asked the FDNY, can you look into the inspection to get the inspection done? And so, it's, um...

• 1:37Tucker Carlson?

  So just to be clear for people who haven't read the indictment, you are accused of being bribed by the Turkish government to allow the Turkish president or prime minister, pardon my not remembering.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  To, to allow the council general...

• 1:52Tucker Carlson?

  The council general, my apologies.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  To get an inspection to determine if they could pass a fire inspection. And if they couldn't do it, you, you see in the indictment, I clearly stated, to manage the expectation if it couldn't be done.

• 2:06Tucker Carlson?

  So you get a call from the Turkish government and they say Turkish officials want to occupy their own consulate which is being built in New York, hasn't received a fire inspection yet. You call FDNY and say, "Hey, can you, you know, the government wants to occupy their own building, I'm the mayor, is another country, they want to occupy their own building, can you go ahead and do the fire inspection?" There's no evidence that the building was a fire trap or out of compliance with any fire regulation, am I, is this correct?

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:32Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So it's, um, it's a weird thing to be indicted for.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  No, no, no, and not only weird to be indicted for, when you look at, you know, you come up being a former law enforcement person, pushing public safety, living your life a certain way, it was painful. It was extremely painful to go through this, you know, millions of dollars in legal bills, and just not being able to respond. The hardest part about this for me, anyone that's followed my career, they know I'm a straight fighter, you know, and this is the first time in my life that you have to sit here and be punched on and you have to allow your attorney to fight to fight.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  I know how to fight and I like to fight to defend myself and not being able to do that is hard as hell.

• 3:26Tucker Carlson?

  Well, the weird thing is, from the Washington perspective, where I'm from, is that you're under indictment for allowing foreign governments, Turkey, not North Korea by the way, or Iran, but like a member of NATO, allowing them to upgrade your flights. Pretty much every member of Congress takes, almost every single, 535 House and Senate takes flights to other countries hosted by foreign governments and are given in effect tens of thousands of dollars of goods and services by those governments every single time, upgrades, police protection, motorcades.

• 4:01Tucker Carlson?

  No one's ever been indicted for that. That's less than what you did. Are you aware of that?

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, I am. And I believe that I have a great attorney. And I cannot tell you how, you know, there's a desire, again, of just want to push back on this, the narrative that has been put out there.

• 4:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I mean, I think anyone who reads the indictment will come away confused. And that's kind of why I was so anxious to talk to you. What was this? I mean, you're a Democrat lifelong. You are mayor of the biggest city in the United States. It's overwhelmingly Democrat city. You're one of the most important Democratic officials in the country. You were indicted by Joe Biden's Justice Department. What was that?

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Well, and many people dismissed when we stated that we felt we were a target. They wanted to dismiss that. And then you heard the president state that his Justice Department was politicized. You heard the incoming president stating that it's politicized. I think that there were those who were in that orbit that felt that was not a good Democrat. Because I watched my city, a city that I love, go through an onslaught of the migrant and immigration policy of fail, a border policy. And after 10 trips to Washington stating that this is a problem. It was costing us a great deal of money,

• 5:27Speaker 01

  $6.5 billion that went out of our tax dollars. I think that there were those who were just angry about it and thought I wasn't a good Democrat.

• 5:37Tucker Carlson?

  Because you complained about allowing tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of illegals from foreign nationals who have no right to be here to come to your city and you have to pay for it. And you complained. And this indictment was punishment for complaining. Is that what you're saying?

• 5:51Speaker 01

  That is clearly my belief and based on several aspects of it. That I can't go into detail, but there are other aspects of it that shows me that, you know, I was targeted because of that.

• 6:05Tucker Carlson?

  So if we could just walk through and leave out the parts you can't talk about, of course. But this happens at the beginning of the Biden administration, which is close to the beginning of your administration. All these foreign nationals start showing up in New York. They have no money, they have no jobs, they have no place to stay. And you have to deal with them. And the taxpayers here have to deal with them. So you go to Washington. What were those meetings like?

• 6:27Speaker 01

  Sharing with them that this was a problem.

• 6:30Tucker Carlson?

  Who did you speak to?

• 6:31Speaker 01

  I spoke with Julie Chavez, who's one of the personnel. Perez, another personnel. I spoke with the president himself. I spoke with the president first. Then the president came here to New York City. The governor and I sat down with the president. And I said, Mr. President, I'm not sure what they're telling you about this problem. But this is a terrible problem that's playing out on the ground. That we need to fix our border. And we need to just stop allowing people to come into the country with no destiny. We don't know what we're doing with them. And there was some that were coming here that were almost six months to a year, in some cases, two years, without any work authorization.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Like, what do you do with someone that cannot provide for themselves for that long period of time?

• 7:19Tucker Carlson?

  Well, what do you do?

• 7:21Speaker 01

  We had to house them. We had to feed, clothe, house, educate 40,000 children, hold them into a shelter system. The complete package of what you would do for an adult that can't take care of themselves.

• 7:37Tucker Carlson?

  And so you tell the president and his aides this. And what do they say?

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Basically, be a good Democrat, Eric.

• 7:44Tucker Carlson?

  Be a good Democrat?

• 7:45Speaker 01

  That was the basic overall theme. You know, one of his aides told me that, listen, this is like a gallstone. It'll pass.

• 7:57Tucker Carlson?

  It's like a gallstone, it'll pass?

• 7:59Speaker 01

  Yes. It'll hurt now, but it'll pass.

• 8:01Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you pee it out, then. Why do you have to?

• 8:05Speaker 01

  Well said. And what many people didn't understand, because people believe that, okay, you're down 170,000. We were able to cycle out of our care. We still have about 52,000 that are in our care. And they say, well, okay, you know, the damage is behind you. That is not true. We took $6.5 billion.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Out of paying for chronically absent students, we could have paid $200 million for. We could have paid for housing, older adults. The long-term impact of what's happening to New York, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Houston, the long-term impact has yet to materialize of what this crisis has done to our cities.

• 8:48Tucker Carlson?

  So what do you think the damage looks like long-term?

• 8:51Speaker 01

  It's a combination of things. We're facing after COVID, we're dealing with a severe mental health issue just throughout the entire country. But specifically here in New York, we have a substantial number of chronically absent young people who were just traumatized from COVID and other things. And they just stopped coming to school. If I had $200 million that I can go out and go find those young people and place them back on the correct course, I'm preventing the long-term problem. If you don't educate, you're going to incarcerate. That's the common denominator in all of our prisons, the lack of education. I could have put hundreds of millions of dollars in what I'm doing around dyslexia

• 9:34Speaker 01

  screening and other learning disabilities. So those $6.5 million that I didn't put into housing, I did not put into senior care. We're getting ready to excuse medical debt for New Yorkers that are dealing with severe medical debt. All of these dollars could have gone into dealing with the long-term fixes that we were projecting to correct.

• 9:55Tucker Carlson?

  And you, did you tell the White House that?

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Over and over again, over and over again, the impact of what these dollars-

• 10:01Tucker Carlson?

  And they didn't seem to care at all.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  It appears to me that there was a bigger focus on the national election and not what it was doing to the cities. And we built, we started to build a coalition of other mayors because when I was standing along talking about this, it appears as though that, well, Eric, why are you complaining? No one else is complaining. And then other mayors started to see what was happening in their cities. And I started meeting with the mayor of Chicago and Denver and other mayors and said, we have to be uniform around this issue.

• 10:37Tucker Carlson?

  It sounds like they treated you with contempt.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Again, I think they used the terminology, "You were not being a good Democrat." I think that was their philosophy, that I was supposed to silently watch what happens to this city. And I love this city. This is a city that I gave my life to protect. And I was watching the erosion. We were getting almost 8,000 migrants and asylum seekers a week. 16,000 every two weeks. And we were being compelled by the Legal Aid Society to find them housing within a short period of time, until we had to go back to court and fight that this humanitarian crisis is not what is normally someone has the right to have shelter within the city.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  And they were coming in 1, 2, 3 a.m. in the morning. It was a constant overturn.

• 11:30Tucker Carlson?

  I'm just confused by why that's the responsibility of the taxpayers, the citizenry of New York, and your responsibility. Someone comes into our country illegally from another nation, not invited here in violation of our laws, and it's your responsibility to make sure that they're dealt with? How does that work? Where did that responsibility come from?

• 11:46Speaker 01

  I have no idea. It's a national problem. It should be a national price tag. They wanted to give us $138 million to a $6.5 billion price tag and wanted to reimburse us for a hotel room at $11 per hotel room. You can't get a doorknob in New York City for $11. It was just unrealistic. And it really, to bring people into the country without knowing where they are going to and what is their role, that's not a plan. That's chaos. And that chaos started to really cascade throughout our entire country.

• 12:27Tucker Carlson?

  Was there ever a conversation in your 10 trips to Washington where anybody said, "You know, really sorry for doing this to you"?

• 12:33Speaker 01

  Never.

• 12:34Tucker Carlson?

  Never?

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Never.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Never.

• 12:37Tucker Carlson?

  You say I'm the mayor of New York, it's the biggest city in the country, you can't treat me like a servant?

• 12:42Speaker 01

  We deserve more, I said this over and over again, this city deserves more, we're the economic engine of this country, and we deserve more, and we should not stymie the future, we future of people in the city, we had a clear plan on how we were going to move this city in the right direction, we started to see the decrease in crime, we started to see the city turning around, and in the midst of this, this gets dropped into our laps, and then the part of the problem was, we were getting Venezuelan gang leaders that were coming to the city, creating crimes in the city, my hands were tied, I could not allow to stop the buses from coming in, I couldn't give people authorization to work,

• 13:25Speaker 01

  I was required to give them housing, I couldn't even allow them to volunteer, and give them a stipend for picking up garbage, and removing graffiti, and doing some of the services, they said, no, you can't do that either.

• 13:36Tucker Carlson?

  So they had to sit there idle, and then?

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Think about that.

• 13:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, think about that.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  You know, idle my.

• 13:41Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, it's totally right, idle hands.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 13:48Tucker Carlson?

  After, was it after your 10th trip that you got indicted, when you started complaining about it in public?

• 13:52Speaker 01

  It was, it was after the 10th trip, and on the, on the, one of the trips, I was headed down to Washington DC to meet with leaders about, with other mayors, and on the plane round, ride down, one of my fund, my fundraisers had a house raided, while I'm

• 14:15Tucker Carlson?

  On the way to Washington to meet with other mayors about immigration?

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Lot of symbolism.

• 14:21Tucker Carlson?

  Did you know it was connected?

• 14:24Speaker 01

  No, I had no idea, I had no idea what it was about, and I, when I returned to the city, and I started hearing Turkey, I was like, what is this? What is this? You know, I follow the rules, I follow the law, and this is the most bizarre thing that has ever happened to me in my life, and you know, Tucker, it's one of the most painful things, you know, you cannot imagine. How it feels to watch your life unfold like this. You know, I said it over and over again. The only benefit of all of this is that, you know, mommy's not alive to see this. It would have broken my heart for her to have to watch.

• 15:09Tucker Carlson?

  You know, you hear that with a lot of people who've been successful. You know, you get to this place that you never thought you'd be. And you realize you don't have as much power as you thought you had. And when you disobey, you get crushed.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Right, right, just like that, just, just.

• 15:23Tucker Carlson?

  Have you spoken, the Biden people are gone now. Trump's getting inaugurated. But did you, between your indictment and the end of Biden's term, talk to anyone at the White House and say, hey, you indicted me for complaining? What's this?

• 15:35Speaker 01

  They wouldn't allow the president to communicate with me.

• 15:41Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, because you're an indicted person now.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  You know, for whatever reason, there was little or no communication. And, you know, Tucker, listen, if it means fighting for this city, I'm going to fight for this city. And I was clear on that. I never told anyone I was going to do anything other than that. I was going to fight for this city. And I saw the long term impact. Remember, what inspired me to run for office was watching an 11 year old boy arrested several times for robbery and just to learn that he was not in school for months and no one was checking up on him. His dad was in jail for a serious crime. His mother was on crack cocaine. And this 11 year old boy is sitting inside my precinct. I said, damn it, I'm at the end of the line here. I need to go to the top of the line.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  I was seeing that again when we were not able to provide services for the people of this city.

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• 19:35Tucker Carlson?

  There's a way in which this is incredibly unfair to New Yorkers. So you're from Brooklyn. There are a lot of American-born Brooklyn people, a lot of Caribbean people, hardworking, not making much money. They're not getting free hotels.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Well said.

• 19:50Tucker Carlson?

  They're not getting housing vouchers, or free cellphones, or free airplane tickets. Illegal aliens are getting them. What, I mean, what's their perspective on this?

• 20:00Speaker 01

  And it's so funny you said that. I was at a meeting the other day with a group of Jamaican immigrants. I was at a, they were having a reception. And it was the same time that the correction offices killed a young man in upstate one of our jails, one of our prisons. The correction union came out immediately and said, "They're not one of us. Those correction offices don't represent us." And I said that to the Jamaican immigrants who were in the room. And I shared with them, "You come here to pursue the American dream. Many of you stay with your family members, you leave loved ones at home, you fight hard, you're willing to do whatever job that's possible.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  I need you to stand up and say, 'Those who are committing crimes, those who are part of gangs and being violent, they're not one of you.'" You know, this is a country of immigrants. That's who we are. Build our bridges, our roadways from early Irish or early Italians, and so on and so forth. So the issue is, how do you properly allow people in the country with a secure border and know what their destiny is when they get here? That is what we don't have right now. This is a free-for-all, and it's the wrong thing to do.

• 21:17Tucker Carlson?

  I gotta admit, I'll just admit it. I thought it was pretty funny when they started trucking illegals here, because I don't live in New York, so I don't have to deal with the consequences, because it is such a liberal city, but mostly because it's a sanctuary city.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:29Tucker Carlson?

  Which is now, basically committed an act of insurrection against the federal government by ignoring federal law, kind of what the Confederates did at Fort Sumter, except even more outrageous. And so, isn't there a sense in which New York kind of deserves this? It was a sanctuary city.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  And many people don't really get the sanctuary city part.

• 21:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, like me.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  So here's what the sanctuary city states. John, who is from a country, is in New York. He goes into the store, he buys a loaf of bread. He's paying taxes on that. He buys gas, he's paying taxes. Sanctuary City says that as long as you're here, you have a right to get the services your tax dollars are paying for. Your children are being educated. If you need police services, you can get it. If you need medical care, you can get it. That's what Sanctuary City says. And that you should not be afraid of getting those services because your tax dollars are paying for them.

• 22:26Tucker Carlson?

  Right, but I mean, you could say that of anybody breaking federal law. I mean, there could be someone indicted on terror charges or a murderer on the lam.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:35Tucker Carlson?

  And if New York harbors him, it's harboring a criminal. It's violating federal law, and that is a form of insurrection, right? You're saying, "We're not following the laws of the United States of America." So like, why shouldn't Washington send troops here? Like, immediately and make you obey, as Eisenhower did to Central High School in Little Rock in the 50s when they ignored Brown versus Board? You can't be out of compliance with federal law without getting the 101st airborne, don't you think?

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Well, my conversation with Tom, who's coming in as our borders czars.

• 23:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  One place here and I totally agree on. Those who violate their rights to come here by committing crimes, they need to leave our country after they serve their time. We're on the same page with that. That immigrant family who's trying to get a pathway into becoming a citizen, living out this amazing American dream, I don't think they should be rounded up in the middle of the night and say, "We're going to move you out."

• 23:32Tucker Carlson?

  Well, then, why isn't it fair for the states that are, you know, still part of the United States and are obeying federal law, to send all of their illegals here? Because you guys welcome them. I mean, and you can pay for it.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  No, we're not welcoming them. We've been very clear. We're not welcoming everyone. Everyone, no, everyone's sent. We say when they're here and they're following the rules and they're paying their taxes, they're doing the things that people are supposed to do. My focus are those who are harming innocent citizens.

• 24:02Tucker Carlson?

  But you said it was a minute ago. I mean, I get what you're saying, and I think it... It it sounds good, but I think we just discovered why it's not good. Because it's the volume. Like, I think probably 99% of the immigrants who are wrecking your city are great people, who have good, you know, they're not bad people.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 24:20Tucker Carlson?

  But there are just too many of them, and you can't afford it.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:23Tucker Carlson?

  And, right?

• 24:23Speaker 01

  And how do you, and how do you address that?

• 24:25Tucker Carlson?

  That's what I'm saying. Maybe not be a sanctuary city. Maybe just say, "We're gonna follow federal law like everybody else."

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Well, there's a couple of things to that. I think you address it by controlling our borders.

• 24:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  And we've allowed the immigration issue to control us instead of controlling it. Because this is what I'm getting from our other mayors.

• 24:41Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  My other mayors are saying across the country, "Eric, we need workers. We have places in our city where we have population problems. We have places like in Kentucky, they need backstretch workers. Here, I need nurses, I need other professionals, I need food service workers. We in dire need of workers in this, in this country." Now, if we would have said, "When you come into the country, you're not going to go where you want to go. You're going to go to the city where we need you. Stay there for three years, four years, and then you could decide to go anywhere."

• 25:12Tucker Carlson?

  Like indentured servitude.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  No, no, they can, they're working.

• 25:15Tucker Carlson?

  Well, so do the indentured servants!

• 25:18Speaker 01

  They're not doing it for free, you know? And if you want to come, if we don't, if we control the border and make sure prior to people coming in that you know where you're going and what you're doing, and not this freefall that we're seeing right now. That is where the crises lie. Real immigration reform and securing our borders, and I said it over and over again.

• 25:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and I know you always hear that about the lack of workers, and it's clearly true. I mean, there is a labor crisis in the country. Obviously, every employer says it, and it's, it's, it's real. On the other hand, there are a lot of Americans who aren't working, for whatever reason. And among native-born African-Americans, young men, the number's like over 50%.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:00Tucker Carlson?

  It's awful.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 26:01Tucker Carlson?

  So, rather than just say, "Well, we're just gonna import people from Honduras, or Paraguay, or whatever", why don't we say, "Let's, let's get our people working." Instead.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  That's exactly, here in New York, we've cut unemployment in those communities that you're talking about by over 20%. Because you're right, we need to make sure while we're feeling, I'm feeling those jobs, we need to make sure that we're looking after those who are in this country for whatever reason have barriers to unemployment. We have been removing those barriers to unemployment and it's still not feeling the demand that we have in need of workers, not only here in New York. You go across the country in those cities where you have a population problem, we need workers.

• 26:45Tucker Carlson?

  Well, because the more immigration you have, the smaller the percentage of Americans who work. I mean, that's true in every country with mass immigration. The native population stops working when you flood the country with foreigners. And I don't know why that's not obvious to everybody, but it is true. And it's particularly true for African Americans. And I just think it's weird that nobody seems to notice or care.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, well, I definitely care. I care about the employment. I care about when I sit down with my business leaders and my business leaders are saying, Eric, I have to close down a restaurant because I can't get workers.

• 27:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that's real, I know it is.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  You know, so I, I believe that there's a solution and answer that starts with securing our borders, real immigration reform, removing those who are, who are committing serious violent actions in our country and continue the pursuit of the American dream.

• 27:36Tucker Carlson?

  So what I see, the conflict, like big picture, I know you feel this every day, I don't know if you'll admit it, is the conflict between the people who pay for everything in politics, not just on the Democratic side, by the way, also Republican side, but they're all rich white liberals, just to be honest. And then everybody else. And it does seem like the values are just in conflict, like the people who pay for campaigns, not just yours, but everybody's, could care less, like what the subways are like. And they could care less about the downstream effects of education, like public schools, they don't send their kids to public schools, they don't care. Do you see that maybe this isn't a coalition that can continue?

• 28:11Speaker 01

  No, no, and I like that. I like that because people looked at particularly the real estate industry that was extremely supportive of my campaign. They said, "Okay, listen, these are just rich real estate guys." No. When I walked in the room and I explained to them that if we don't fix our school system, the first thing someone will do when they go to buy property, they ask two questions: How good are the schools? How safe is the community?

• 28:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  I ran on better schools, safe communities. And so, yes, maybe that affluent real estate owner is not sending his child to public school, but no one wants to bring their company here if you have bad schools and unsafe communities. And so, there is this symbiotic relationship, even if they're not directly connected to it. They need safe streets, good schools, in order to bring in those employees, those workers, those renters, those buyers, and that is what I stood for.

• 29:08Tucker Carlson?

  Or they could just go to Florida. I mean, I was in Miami last week, which is, you know, it's totally transformed if you haven't been to Miami recently. It's like everyone you... I was with New Yorkers actually there, because they were all there. And for New Year's, and a lot of them live there now. And they're bringing their finance money down there, which is the single largest private sector employer in your city, of course, is banking.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:30Tucker Carlson?

  And by far. And they're moving out, and so, like, how do you pay for a city of 8 million people if an increasing percentage of the population is poor? If the rich people are leaving, which they are? Like, how do you do that?

• 29:44Speaker 01

  And we're very tired. First of all, we have to start, stop that far-left rhetoric that wants to demonize success. And far too often, we do that. We want to be difficult to business, we want to demonize success. We want to do things that impact the quality of life in cities. Like, how do you legalize public urination? We did everything to get encampments off our streets, and I'm back in court fighting with those who want to allow people...

• 30:12Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you go to court? Why don't you just send the cops there? Get off the street. It's not your side. You don't own the sidewalk. What are you gonna do about it?

• 30:17Speaker 01

  And I'm with you, Tucker.

• 30:19Tucker Carlson?

  No, but I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying go...

• 30:21Speaker 01

  But we're sued because of it.

• 30:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, but so what?

• 30:23Speaker 01

  No, we're still doing our job. Don't get me...

• 30:25Tucker Carlson?

  No, but just make... What are you gonna do about it, Mr. Legally Aged Guy? You ban guns, like all the cops have guns and we're not allowing people to live on the sidewalk or sell fentanyl to kids. Like, sorry, it's tough shit. Why don't you do that?

• 30:37Speaker 01

  You're good lord.

• 30:37Tucker Carlson?

  Kind of go full fascist a little bit. People would love you if you did that. You've thought about that.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Here's what we have done. Um, when we first came into office and we stated that we were not going to allow people to sleep on our streets, we did just that. I don't want to hear all that noise. People are not sleeping on our streets. And we were able to move our city from encampments on the sidewalks, on the highways, in our train stations. You don't see that anymore in this city. And because of that success, you now have those that are suing us, but we're still carrying out the job.

• 31:10Tucker Carlson?

  But why don't you put the junkies in their houses, Miss Legal Aid Lawyer? If you're so competitive, like how many junkies do you have living in your house? Zero. But you expect taxpayers in Queens to pay for shelter for junkies? Like what?

• 31:21Speaker 01

  And that's a disconnect.

• 31:22Tucker Carlson?

  Who are we serving here?

• 31:23Speaker 01

  That's the disconnect, you know, the, the loudest don't represent the majority. I hear from everyday New Yorkers that say, thank you for taking this encampment off our street. Thank you for making sure that our communities have the quality of life issues. But the professional loudest, um, that really are not speaking on behalf of everyday, uh, New Yorkers, uh, I hear everyday New Yorkers and I know that we're in the right direction.

• 31:51Tucker Carlson?

  I still hear people saying, everyone says New York is getting better.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:55Tucker Carlson?

  You know, low bar, but, um, but it's still, the subways are scary because there are a lot of crazy people on the subways. I saw a picture today of people waiting for a train and they're all standing with their backs against the wall so no one pushes them. Daniel Penny tried to save a man's life. He gets indicted, uh, for doing the right, obviously doing the right thing. Um, what do you do about that? Like what?

• 32:18Speaker 01

  Here's what we're going through in the city. What's overshadowing our success is how people are feeling. Because of random acts of violence.

• 32:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  You have to go back to 2009 when you take out the two COVID years to see our subway system safer. We have over a billion rioters, 4.5 million. A day, we have the average of six felonies a day out of those 4.5 million a day. But none of that means anything when someone is burned to death on your subway system.

• 32:47Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly, that's exactly.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  Or someone shoved you to the subway track. But when you do a correlation of, uh, what's causing that fear, that anxiety, is those with severe mental health, uh, issues. We have been, uh, fighting with our state lawmakers as well as those advocates again, that are trying to stop us from taking those with severe mental health illness off our streets. And we have been successful in doing that. Eight thousand people, uh, with, with mental health illness, we were able to remove off our subway system and put them into what we call safe haven. So the real battle is dealing with the anxiety that people are feeling. But this city has recovered. More jobs in the city history, second largest tourism in city history. Our subway system is safe back to the 2009 days.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Of 20,000 illegal guns removed off our streets. Our cops have stepped up. No matter how bad they've been treated by some, they've stepped up and they've produced for the city, people of the city of New York.

• 33:44Tucker Carlson?

  But the prosecutors don't, I mean, I keep reading, you know, some guy gets picked up, he's been arrested 47 times for violent crimes. Not prosecuted. Like, that, that's not sustainable. Like civilization can't exist under those circumstances.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Well said. You know, when, I talk about it all the time, the criminal justice system is not just police. Everyone's, will see the police, but it's more than just the police. We need to have our judges on board, our prosecutors on board, our lawmakers on board. We were just showing stats today, people who were arrested three times in a year for the same crimes. The numbers are unbelievable. For robberies.

• 34:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  For assault, for burglaries, for grand larceny. These guys are being, it's a revolving door system. And it's not only here. If you go, go across the country, you will see it's the same stats. The same small number of people are repeat, repeatedly committing crimes.

• 34:37Tucker Carlson?

  Always.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:38Tucker Carlson?

  So, how is it that those people don't get put away? They keep doing it.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  Well, you know, we have to, like I said, every aspect of our criminal justice system must do its job.

• 34:49Tucker Carlson?

  But why not, I mean, you know who they are. You've got some of the worst prosecutors in the country. George Soros paid for them, as you know. And why not just call them out and say, "People die because of that prosecutor"?

• 34:57Speaker 01

  No, what we do is sit down and really try to show our lawmakers, our prosecutors, where the numbers are, where the results are, and how we can turn this around. And one of the bills was called the Discovery Bill, which has caused a great deal of refusal or failures to prosecute. We sat down with our district attorneys. They seem now to be all aligned with us as we go back and sort of alter some of these changes that we've made that's impacted on public safety. Idealism, I say, collide with realism. The laws we make must ensure that we don't make our city unsafe.

• 35:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and why do you let people smoke weed on the street here? It smells like a slum. Why not, if you want to smoke weed, just go to your apartment and watch TV or whatever. But why do you have to, people blowing weed on your face on the street? Has that made anyone's life better at all?

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, it's so funny. When I ran for office, that question came up about legalization of marriage.

• 35:55Tucker Carlson?

  Just go smoke in your apartment, you know?

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Cannabis. And I was at a press conference, and I said, "I smell weed everywhere." You know? And we need to manage how we're dealing with the cannabis issue.

• 36:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, you'd think.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  You know what my teachers are telling me?

• 36:08Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 36:09Speaker 01

  Our children are high all the time.

• 36:10Tucker Carlson?

  Of course they are.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  They say they're high.

• 36:12Tucker Carlson?

  So, a small number of people run all the weed supply chains and the retail, and they're making a ton of money. And everyone's invested in it, private equity's all up in it. I'm sure they're handing out money to politicians here. They are everywhere else in the country. But it's clearly hurting people, and it makes the place smell like a slum. I mean, it's disgusting. And everyone knows that. And like, why can't anyone do anything about it?

• 36:33Speaker 01

  Well, because we have to, well, one thing we did, we were having, after the law was passed, legalized cannabis.

• 36:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  We were having illegal shops open everywhere. And we had no power to close them the way we wanted to. We went back to Albany. This is where our state government is, as you know. We went to Albany and we stayed. We have to get this under control. The governor gave us the authority. We've closed down over thirteen hundred of these illegal shops. Almost sixty seven million dollars in illegal cannabis we took off our streets. And now the legal cannabis business is thriving. But what we must do, now we need to go back and say, listen, where should we be smoking? How we should manage this even more? And I'm with you. I think there's too much open cannabis being smoked on our street. We need to really carefully decide where you can smoke cannabis.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  And I go with you on that also. Smoke at home.

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• 40:19Tucker Carlson?

  So here's, tell me what you think of this vision. This is a liberal vision. You want to do weird stuff at home. We're not going to bother you. We're not going to ask any questions, but it's kind of up to you because it's your life. Right. That's kind of the liberal idea. Don't do it on the street. You want to have a parade? Put your junk away, the Pride Parade. Don't have sex with people in ATMs. Don't smoke weed on the street. If, you know, you're violent, crazy person, you know, don't bark at people on the subway or push them in front of trains. Like, just keep it indoors. Is, why can't? New York arrive at that.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  And you would not have one argument with me. Don't publicly inject yourself with drugs. Don't publicly urinate on the street. Don't smoke in front of somebody's house, smoking your cannabis. If you want to smoke cannabis, do it at home.

• 41:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  If you want to urinate, go use the bathroom.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  So you're not gonna get a debate. You won't get a debate from me.

• 41:09Tucker Carlson?

  But you like wonder like, is that far right? To say, go do your weird shit at home? Like, I don't think that's far right, is it?

• 41:17Speaker 01

  No, you know what? You know what has happened in our country? We've reached the point where any and everything goes. And you know, the most bizarre it is, the most people think it's acceptable. But it's not to everyday working class people. That's what people don't fully understand. Everyday working class people don't believe in any and everything goes.

• 41:41Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree with that. Yeah, I mean, I'm, just for the record, I'm kind of against all immigration right now. We have too much of it. But I will also say, I've never seen an African immigrant do anything like that. Like, they're not marching around with their junk out in parades or whatever. Like, we've buttoned down people coming into the country. And the longer they stay here, the more they decide, like, I gotta do this stuff on the sidewalk. I mean, it is, it's a very specific affluent liberal culture that promotes doing all that stuff in public. And I'm wondering why, like, why are they in charge of everything? Have you ever wondered that?

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Well, you know, what happens is that if you push back on that that's the norm and that's what working class people want, you get demonized.

• 42:24Tucker Carlson?

  Or indicted.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:26Tucker Carlson?

  For upgrading your flight.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Then that's exactly what you happen. So people often say, well, you know, you don't sound like a Democrat. And, you know, you seem to have left the party. No, the party left me and it left working class people. And our conversations that we should be talking about are not the issues that everyday people that are in power are talking about. People are concerned about the future of their families. And that should be our focus, and that's the focus of this administration.

• 42:55Tucker Carlson?

  It does seem that way. So you're being challenged supposedly, and I think it's true, by Andrew Cuomo, the former governor. What do you make of that?

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Well, he hasn't, he hasn't announced, and I'm a firm believer, uh, I'm not running against anyone, I'm running against myself. You know, Andrew Yang got into the race the last time, he was 13 points, uh, up in the poll, and the team, we were very clear, we have to run our race. And so no matter who's in the race, I'm going to run my race, and I'm going to sell to New Yorkers, uh, what we did with this city, and the reversal of where we were, where we were headed, and where we're going now.

• 43:28Tucker Carlson?

  So, uh, you were here in the 90s when the city reached peak crime, 92, 93, then Giuliani comes in, everyone hates Giuliani now, and he's, you know, being destroyed by lawsuits. But the truth is, crime just went right off a cliff, you were there. And the idea was pretty simple, it's like, we're just not gonna let quality of life crimes slide anymore, and if you'll commit a small crime, you're more likely to commit a big crime. That was the idea, Jack Maples and the whole, you, you were there.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:56Tucker Carlson?

  Why not do that?

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Well, no, that's exactly, and you're, and you're right, and I police during that era, and, uh, Bill Bratton, who I have a great deal of respect for, uh, and Jack Maples, as you mentioned, many people don't know that name, Jack Maples, but we all a debt of gratitude to his commitment. And that whole model of just not accepting any and everything goes, I know how successful it is, and that is a methodology that I believe and I live by, because I police, when you allow any and everything goes. I was in the subway systems, and I saw what our subway, subway systems looked like. And so, you have to go to the method, uh, as Bill would say, you have to reclaim the city, so that you can make sure it's doing the right thing for our New Yorkers.

• 44:38Tucker Carlson?

  What, um, what are you expecting with this indictment? Do you think, I mean, is there gonna be a trial? When is that gonna be? What, what is the penalty that you're facing? How does this play out? To the extent you can explain it.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  I, I have, I have a great deal of respect for my legal team, and they're going to exercise every avenue, uh, to get justice for me, whatever that avenue may be. Uh, Alex, uh, is, uh, he's a great, uh, attorney.

• 45:05Tucker Carlson?

  Spiro.

• 45:06Speaker 01

  Yes, uh, um, he is, he, he's, um, heading my, my defense, and he's Want to exercise every avenue to get justice.

• 45:13Tucker Carlson?

  What's the potential penalty hanging over you?

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Oh, no, these are, this is real time. You could do 20, 30 years.

• 45:20Tucker Carlson?

  You could do 30 years?

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 45:22Tucker Carlson?

  For taking flight upgrades?

• 45:23Speaker 01

  This is real, real.

• 45:24Tucker Carlson?

  You wish you'd flown coach in retrospect?

• 45:27Speaker 01

  Look, you know, you can't live, you can't live.

• 45:30Tucker Carlson?

  Just bring your own food.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  You can't live life in the rearview mirror. You gotta live life in the front windshield, you know?

• 45:39Tucker Carlson?

  Have you talked to Trump?

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 45:42Tucker Carlson?

  How'd that go?

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Uh, very well. We, we, we talked about, he loves the city.

• 45:46Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, he does.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  And we talked about, you know, how do we do things to work together to improve the city? And as I told everyone, I'm not here to, uh, to be warring with the president. I'm here to work with the president and everyone should do that. And, uh, you have the mayor of Washington reached out and said the same thing after that. You said the governor did the same thing. Uh, people realize that you can't spend the next four years fighting. Uh, we need to spend the next four years listening to the American people. The popular vote, the electoral vote. We can't be bigger than the American people. And the American peoples are saying we need to do something about our borders. We need to do something to make it easy to do business in the city. Uh, we need to do things differently.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  We need to be open, open to do that. And, you know, we need to be clear, um, with, uh, even if incoming president is talking about, uh, with, um, uh, the new visas of, um, getting some of the intellectual talent into this, into this country. Uh, I think there's some great opportunities and we need to find out those areas of, of agreement.

• 46:49Tucker Carlson?

  But you're not going to let those people drive into the city without paying a big tax?

• 46:52Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 46:55Tucker Carlson?

  Why don't let people drive in your city? Okay, here's my take on congestion pricing. This is the bicycle lobby from the west side who doesn't believe in cars in the first place, exerting undue influence once again on the mayor's office and shafting the people in Westchester, the outer boroughs, just want to drive their minivans into the city to do a day's labor.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  You know, and, and I, I always tease people when I'm at the town hall. Uh, a guy came up to me one day and said, you know what? I'm getting a divorce. It's your damn fault, mayor. Everything that happens wrong in the city, people look at the mayor. We had nothing to do with congestion prices. The governor's in MTA.

• 47:31Tucker Carlson?

  Were you involved with this life at all?

• 47:35Tucker Carlson?

  No, I mean, you don't have to answer.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  You know, it's, listen, the, the people think the mayor made that decision. The MTA made that decision in, in partnership with Albany.

• 47:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Of that made the decision, decision in the federal government. The mayor did not make that decision. And if it was up to me, we would have more waivers if we had to do it. Because we have to think about, uh, our firefighters, our police officers, our teachers. Uh, we were able to get some waivers. We were able to get a hundred million dollars for the, uh, environmental communities that would be impacted. But this, this was a decision by the MTA.

• 48:10Tucker Carlson?

  The environmental communities?

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Like, places like the Bronx, because people would be parking their cars there. They would be trying to reroute themselves. And some communities have a historical problem with environmental issues because of the Cross Bronx Expressway. And other issues, you know, that, uh, that they had to deal with.

• 48:27Tucker Carlson?

  Now you're getting into deep New York stuff.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:29Tucker Carlson?

  I'm drowning in it. I don't even understand what you're talking about. But can we both agree that people who ride bicycles should have no say in governance in the city of?

• 48:35Speaker 01

  No, they should have, they should have say.

• 48:37Tucker Carlson?

  Minor, minor say.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  They shouldn't have control. They shouldn't have control.

• 48:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, they shouldn't have control.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  And so you have some communities where we attempted to force, um, uh, bike lanes and other items in their communities. And we said, no, we have to communicate with those long-term community residents. We never should get so far ahead of those long-term community residents and what they desire their communities.

• 49:00Tucker Carlson?

  Amen. I agree with that. But if you're gonna, basically, the, this MTA rule will force people onto public transportation buses, and particularly the subway system, biggest in the country. Isn't it fair that the subway be like, perfect?

• 49:13Speaker 01

  It has to be.

• 49:14Tucker Carlson?

  You're gonna force people to take the subway, there should be zero crime. Zero crazy people barking at you. You stare at someone in the eyes, he punches you in the face, you can't have that. If they don't have that in Tokyo, why have it here?

• 49:24Speaker 01

  The goal is to use the money from congestion pricing to improve on our subway system. We have to have a first-rate, uh, subway system. And that is the goal, to use the money to make sure we improve our, our subway system. We have to do just that.

• 49:39Tucker Carlson?

  By improving, do you mean make it safer?

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Yes, I say, that's the prerequisite to progress. Public safety. People should be able to ride our subway system anytime in the night. Uh, without fear of harm. And you can't do it by allowing people to stay on the system. Uh, that are harmful to themselves and harmful to others. That's why we took eight thousand off the system. To give them the care that they deserve.

• 50:01Tucker Carlson?

  Why are there so many mentally ill people all of a sudden all around?

• 50:03Speaker 01

  That's a great question. That's a great question.

• 50:05Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know the answer.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, you know, we made a mistake. Um, years ago when because of the way our psychiatric wards. The draconian practices of those psychiatric wards. Advocates came in and stated that it's wrong for people to be, uh, kept in these locations. When we shut them down, we put them in the street. No one thought through, well, what do we do? Cause listen, we have to be honest with ourselves. They are those who cannot take care of themselves. They need complete care. Fifty-one percent of our inmates at Rikers have mental health issues.

• 50:40Tucker Carlson?

  I believe it.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Twenty percent have severe mental health issues, yet we're closing four, we're closing the jail. Open four new jails just to create four more smaller Rikers. I say let's, let's turn one of them into a state of the art mental health facility. For outpatient and patient treatment. This way we can deal with the population the way we should be.

• 51:00Tucker Carlson?

  But does it, there does, I'm not an expert, but there does seem to be an absolute rise. In severe mental illness, not just anxiety disorders, but disassociative, you know, schizophrenia and stuff like that.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  And I don't know, I don't, I don't, you know, Tucker, I don't know if it was from COVID, uh, you know, people were traumatized through COVID.

• 51:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  You know, I lost a lot of good friends through COVID. And you know, some people lost loved ones and family members who took care of them when they were going through severe problems. Some families were destroyed. Uh, I've seen an increase after COVID or during COVID. I don't have any empirical data that can state that. Uh, but we do need to look at it. It's a national problem. When I go across the country, I'm seeing the same problem. And there's no real attempt of to address it, uh, as much as I believe we should be.

• 51:46Tucker Carlson?

  What about all the people who were hesitant to take the vax? Um, who didn't know enough or who are aware of, you know, previous incidents of the government lying about public health? And a lot of them lost their jobs. At the very least, they were yelled at and scolded by the Biden administration and by public health authorities here in New York. Aren't they owed an apology at least, those people?

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Greatly to mine. We inherited, the mayor had a rule in place already on what happened with those who did not take the vaccine. Those conversations are still being played out in court to determine what should happen with them. But we had to make sure we were dealing with a severe public health emergency, and we had to make sure that we addressed it as soon as, as soon as possible, to make sure we could get it under control. Those are some, there was some real troubling, scary times when we're dealing with COVID.

• 52:38Tucker Carlson?

  But when you have a scary time, what you can't do is isolate a vulnerable minority and blame them for everything, which is what they did.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  We should never do that. We should never isolate.

• 52:47Tucker Carlson?

  Right. I mean, I feel like we've seen a lot of that through history, and maybe it's a bad idea at this point. We shouldn't do that.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  You, you won't get a disagreement.

• 52:53Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So the next time there's a public health crisis, or any kind of crisis, when you see public officials say, "It's these people's fault."

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:01Tucker Carlson?

  "American citizens with jobs and families, they did this." Maybe we should call that what it is, which is bad.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, I, I think that, you know, you're a lover of history, that I think that sometimes when you're dealing with emergency, how we respond, we look back later and say, "Hey, could we have done things differently?"

• 53:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  You know, that, there, there's so many lessons of that in history, and we always want to do it better.

• 53:25Tucker Carlson?

  Now, what, there was some question about what happened to de Blasio. We were mentioning the mentally ill on subways. Is he one of them? Is, or what happened to him? Do you know?

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Who's that?

• 53:36Tucker Carlson?

  Bill de Blasio, the former mayor. He lived here.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. I, I believe he's, he's, he's teaching, you know, from time to time, we're communicating.

• 53:45Tucker Carlson?

  What would he be teaching?

• 53:46Speaker 01

  I, I believe he's teaching at one of our Ivy League schools. I'm not sure.

• 53:49Tucker Carlson?

  What, what would he teach? Like, what would be the class? What would be the, Bill de Blasio on what? Do you have any idea?

• 53:57Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't. You know, we'll touch, he'll, he'll send me, you know, you know, good luck, you know, some tips from time to time, but I'm not sure what he's doing professionally right now. I, I don't know what happened to the afterlives of mayors.

• 54:09Tucker Carlson?

  What do you think, what does happen to mayors?

• 54:12Speaker 01

  You know, that's, that's a good question.

• 54:14Tucker Carlson?

  Have you thought about that?

• 54:15Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm not gonna find out this time because I'm running for reelection, and I'm looking forward to winning.

• 54:22Tucker Carlson?

  Mayor Adams, thank you very much for having us.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  No, real, real pleasure to spend time with you as well.

• 54:29Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you.

• 54:32Tucker Carlson?

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