Ukraine Hits Russian Bases with Massive Drone Strike | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

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  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of IZON Geopolitics. I'm Demetri Kuntakos. I'm here with the full crew: Andy Milburn, Mick Mulroy, Jason Lyons. Lot happened today. A big, big sabotage attack in Russia by Ukraine. Hit a ton of aircraft, ton of strategic bombers. An incredible operation. Like, let's just crack into it. You guys want to mud wrestle for who goes first? You tell me.

• 2:07Speaker 05

  I'll jump in if you want.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  Go for it, Andy.

• 2:09Speaker 05

  Right, so the, you know, essentially, and guys jump in, of course, here's what we know right now, at upwards, forty and upwards, strategic bombers have been destroyed. So for instance, there are something like twenty-seven Russian TU-95s, and those of you out there who are air geeks or followers of Alex Hollings will know that TU-95 is very important to the Russians because they use it as a missile platform. In fact, a lot of the cruise missiles that are launched at Kiev are being fired by the TU-95, for instance, from over the Caspian Sea. Anyway, that's not the point. The main point is, like, at least forty of

• 2:50Speaker 05

  these strategic bombers, I mean, it's strategic aircraft, and, uh, deep, located deep within side Russia, four bases, okay, and the reports vary, but as far as how deep inside Russia, one report says as far as names of places deep as four thousand kilometers inside Russia have been destroyed by multiple FPV and other types of drones, mostly FPV drones. How did that happen? Well, apparently, it's an SBU operation. SBU is their intelligence agency, not their military intelligence agency, but their equivalent of the CIA. And it's a eighteen

• 3:33Speaker 05

  month operation. It was planned for eighteen months by the head of the SBU, it's a guy named Vassal Maluk, by the way, who was born in nineteen eighty-three, so he's a, he's a young guy. And he, and he began the war, actually, as a, as a soldier. He fought, he was involved in the, the fighting for the airport early on in, in the war. And, and so what they did, this is really astounding. They smuggled in multiple FPV drones, unknown how many, but it's, you probably, you know, probably upwards to, of a, of a hundred or more. And they smuggled in these wooden compartments, all right? When I say smuggled in, I mean, that's not that easy, but somehow they got them in over land.

• 4:19Speaker 05

  And then subsequently welded or attached these compartments with the drones inside to trucks that they knew the routes of these trucks would would lead them within a few kilometers of the various bases that they've attacked. Okay, so you can imagine all the background that has to go into planning this. The truck drivers are unwitting. And here's the really astonishing part that we don't, we can't answer how this was done, but it appears as though the FPV drones were operated from inside Ukraine. And if you look on in Twitter land, you'll see now there's video of of the trucks exploding. In one case, Russian soldiers are boarding the truck to try and stop the drones from taking

• 5:01Speaker 05

  off and the and the and the truck just it catches on fire and then explodes. So factored into this were, you know, some means of destroying the evidence and killing anyone who tried to come on board to prevent this from happening. I'll pause there for a moment. Let's see what you guys have to to add to that.

• 5:23Speaker 06

  Mick?

• 5:24Speaker 04

  Mick, you're muted. You're muted.

• 5:26Speaker 06

  Sorry. Well, what I would say is hats off to the SBU. It's a unit I'm very familiar with and, you know, this is going to go down in history as one of the most effective, certainly in the cost effective range, right? You're looking at some of these drones that are like $500 and they're taking out million dollar aircraft. And I've I'm just getting because I'm going to be talking about this on ABC to show you the level of this. ABC usually doesn't break in on the weekends for this kind of stuff, but they are. So it really does show you how enormous this was. It looks like there were four different air bases bases that were targeted. And I mean, it's almost worth going down the list of aircraft that were taken out because it's a lot.

• 6:13Speaker 06

  You know, like Andy said, billions of dollars worth of strategic aircraft, which are not easily replaced. And it shows that, once again, Russia is not anything near what we had made them out to be. When you can't even protect your places like this, thousands and thousands of kilometers inside Russia. But this is part of a much bigger discussion, right? So we saw a lot of talk this week with Senator Graham and Blumenthal and visiting President Zelensky, talking about the sanctioning Russia's Russia Act. That needs to happen. It means we need to stop talking about these things.

• 6:54Speaker 06

  It's clear Russia is not interested at all in ceasefire negotiations. I mean, they proposed Istanbul and then didn't show up, basically, even though President Trump was willing to show up and President Zelensky was willing to show up. There's one party to this, and it's been the same party since the invasion. They isn't interested in a ceasefire. They only understand strength. This was showed, this showed strength today, and it showed us, and then there's even other videos of other attacks going on today. I'm sure we met with Russia sending cruise missiles and drones right at civilians as it's done the whole time, another war crime. But it's time, and I think you can see the movement on, including in Japan, but also

• 7:38Speaker 06

  in Europe, on releasing frozen Russian assets. And they need to pass this sanctioning Russia Act, which will have a devastating effect, potentially, on Russia's ability to keep this war going financially. So hats off to them. A hell of an operation. This is going to be dissected by every military on the planet right now to see how this was carried out and how, how they can potentially do it in the future and defend against it in the future. Because this is going to lead to a whole different discussion on the use of drones, which is coming so fast, I don't think people even understand, modern militaries don't even understand the impact of what's going on in Ukraine on the future of warfare.

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• 10:06Speaker 05

  Clearly, it's time to coincide with, oh, I'm sorry, Mick. Yeah, clearly, it's it's time to possibly to coincide with with Senators Graham, Senator Graham and Blumenthal's visit to Kiev, right? I mean, they're in Kiev now. And Zelensky has just said to them, look, we have a roadmap for peace. We'd like to present it again. And evidently had this up his sleeve, which is, which is masterful timing, as we talked about, the Russians don't understand pleas for peace or anything, but they do understand when they lose 30% of their strategic air fleet.

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• 12:19Speaker 05

  And by the way, there's things popping up on the news. Sadly, one, it looks like one of these truck drivers was lynched or killed by Russian security forces. And there's a picture of them strung out on the road with a rope around his neck. And the Russians have released two others, having determined that they were unwitting. Wow, crazy.

• 12:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, Jason, give us a rundown on like what was lost and stuff like that. I think you have like a good handle on what at this point.

• 12:46Speaker 11

  It's kind of conflicting because some of the uh, the numbers are saying forty aircraft were hit, but the numbers that I'm getting, it's way, way over that. So I'll just read you the types of aircraft and their significance. So we have uh, some TU-160 Blackjacks, that is the, um, and I'm giving you the NATO designation Blackjack. Uh, those are the equivalent of um, their answer to the B-1, US B-1 bomber, supersonic bomber, long range. Um, as Andy mentioned, some TU-95 MS Bears, those are Cold War era uh, propeller driven bombers, but have massive range um, for launching uh, cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles, those sorts of things.

• 13:30Speaker 11

  And they're using those almost every night, right? Like lobbing over cruise missiles. Yep, absolutely. Um, and then a couple of uh, IL-78M Midas aircraft, they're military transports. Uh, pardon my notes here. Uh, some AM-26 Curl military transport aircraft. Couple of AN-12 Cubs, those are also uh, Cold War era uh, transport and patrol aircraft. Um, also significant, some TU-22M3 Backfire supersonic uh, bombers, those are also Cold War era aircraft. Uh, some MiG-31 Foxhounds, Foxhounds, they're uh, supersonic interceptors, they were developed in the seventies if I'm not mistaken.

• 14:15Speaker 11

  Um, yeah, so, and then there's rumor, I don't know if they were hit or not, but probably the most significant uh, aircraft that were lost, if this is true, are some uh, two AFA-50 mainstay aircraft, they are airborne early warning and control aircraft. So they can uh, control multiple areas of the battlefield, whole aircraft, whole uh, missiles.

• 14:43Speaker 11

  They're not armed themselves, but they can control those things. And from what I understand, there were only six operational ones because there were others that were lost earlier as of 2024. So if they lost two more or even one, that's a significant loss. Yeah, so that's the rundown that I have so far.

• 15:01Speaker 05

  Guys, I can't, I can't think of, I can't think of a special operations case. I mean, I'm sorry, special operations operation that rivals this. Can you guys? Certainly not, you know, in modern times.

• 15:16Speaker 06

  We've got some historians out there, please let us know.

• 15:19Speaker 11

  Yeah, and, and the fact, just the fact that you're, you're using, and I've heard others in the media use the term special operations, like most traditional special operations that people think of are Greenbays, you know, SEALs, Marsoc, that sort of thing. And the fact that drones have been now placed in that realm is, it's pretty significant.

• 15:41Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, the way, the way that's went into this, it's, it's.

• 15:45Speaker 11

  Yeah.

• 15:45Speaker 06

  That's why it was run by the intelligence services and that's likely what we're going to be seeing in the future.

• 15:51Speaker 05

  And incredibly ballsy actions on the ground, you know, getting, I mean, the logistics of getting these things in country, getting them on top, welded on top of the trucks or however they were attached on top of these trucks without being seen, you know, multiple trucks. I mean, it's, it's just phenomenal and the technology of being able to control these drones from all that distance.

• 16:15Speaker 11

  Absolutely. Now, I don't know how, how true, sorry, the, I don't know how true this is, maybe you gents know, but I'm hearing that Zelensky himself took a personal interest in this and overseeing this. Do you know if that's right?

• 16:28Speaker 06

  Makes sense. I mean, this is a strategic level, this is a strategic impact to operation for sure. I guess they probably could have guessed how successful it could have been when they were planning this and it looks like, you know, it met expectations. So I hope this translates, obviously it's going to be a military, huge military setback for Russia, but I hope it translates to people understanding that Ukraine is not losing. Like this fiction that they're losing and that is Russian propaganda. I mean, if you look at the map from a year ago till now, it's barely any changed. And this is going to really set them back.

• 17:09Speaker 06

  And I hope they can just capitalize on this, not just militarily, but politically and internationally when it comes to support. I mean, back the back, not only the country that's in the right, but back the country that's got the might and the smarts. And they're showing it. They're bringing it.

• 17:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, it turns out they do have some cards to play, you know?

• 17:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, and Malayuk has been, you know, we've mentioned, we talked about Budanov, who heads the GUR. And, you know, he's the military intelligence side also, relatively young guy, late, no, now forty years old. And he's been behind a lot of the, he was, so the GUR was behind, do you remember all the talk about the Russian insurgent groups within side Russia? And that was a GUR operation. And some of the drone strikes on Moscow came from GUR. But the SBU was behind the Crimean Bridge attack, if you remember that, and the C drone

• 18:18Speaker 05

  attacks too. In fact, that one of the C drones is named after Malayuk, the head of the SBU. And it's kind of interesting, Malayuk's the first non-political appointee as head of the SDU. You know, it was, I don't know if you're tracking, but earlier on in the war, not long after I appeared, my infamous appearance on the team house where, you know, I said, I said, Ukraine has some problems to solve itself. Zelensky was evidently watching, realizing that I was right and fired five senior guys within the SBU. They'd had problems within the SBU. In fact, Malayuk, after he was appointed, personally arrested the chief of staff of

• 19:02Speaker 05

  SBU's counterterrorism center as a Russian agent. And he's exposed three hundred, the SBU's arrested, just in the last few months, three hundred alleged Russian or Ukrainian traitors within the Ukrainian security service. So he's cleaning house inside and he's doing.

• 19:23Speaker 05

  You know, you've seen doing incredible things against Russia itself, you know, just finish up by saying that we talked about the fact that Russia not only has lost control of the seas, but has lost most of its Black Sea fleet and then Ukrainian and Ukrainians don't even really have a navy to speak of, you know, it's all been asymmetric attacks. And in the same way, you know, here we are faffing around with $30 billion aircraft carriers.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  I knew it. I knew you were gonna bring it back.

• 19:51Speaker 05

  Chinese can sink, according to our own Secretary of Defense, within 20 minutes, right? That's what he said today. Every single US aircraft carrier can be sunk within 20 minutes. But what's a real aircraft carrier? It's an articulated lorry, right? As the as the British say.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  I just knew it. I knew I was coming back there. Go ahead and make sorry.

• 20:12Speaker 06

  Is is the support that the US has in the pipeline is gonna run out?

• 20:16Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 20:17Speaker 06

  Right? So there's talk, discussions underway of Europe buying our stuff and giving it to them. And we just need to not only continue our support, we need to increase our support. That's what the leader of the free world does when a one country, particularly a country we identified for multiple national security strategies, as one of our biggest adversary invades a democratic country. We need to, we need to support. I'm gonna be a broken record on this, but the problem is, is there's a lot of talk and the talk's going in the right direction, but there isn't a lot of action. Pass the bill, increase the support, release the funds of frozen assets. This is a time to really make a difference.

• 20:58Speaker 06

  If you want to see a ceasefire, it's gonna have to be Russia sees itself losing. And they, we have an opportunity here.

• 21:06Speaker 11

  Absolutely. I'm a, I guess, early estimates are saying that if

• 21:13Speaker 11

  The reporting is correct on the aircraft that were struck and the damage done to these airfields. There's about, it's about $2 billion in damage, if it's true, which is a huge blow. And then also, I think Andy, you sent us the link on X about a explosion observed at Severomorsk, a home to Russian submarines?

• 21:34Speaker 05

  You're muted, Mike.

• 21:34Speaker 11

  You're muted.

• 21:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's gonna be interesting to see. There's much chatter in Twitterland on that. But if there's more than, I mean, there's multiple reports now of explosions there, suggesting maybe somehow they've combined this with an attack on a submarine base, either with sea drones or maybe also with FPVs.

• 21:54Speaker 11

  And I saw, I saw two major bridges were hit as well. I didn't see where. Nine dead. And yeah, I think one fell on a civilian train as well. So probably be more casualties. But yeah, bold moves.

• 22:10Speaker 06

  Just think about what's going on right now in the US military, right? Look at our bomber bases. Look at our, you know, nuclear submarines, right? We've got very comfortable with, you know, having conventional overmatch of all our adversaries. But this is changing the equation entirely.

• 22:30Speaker 11

  Absolutely.

• 22:32Speaker 06

  I mean, this is, this is in my estimation, this calls for like an immediate friggin', I don't know what you want to call it, summit, coming together to talk about where this is headed and how we make sure we maintain our superiority.

• 22:47Speaker 11

  Yeah, agreed.

• 22:50Speaker 05

  I'm not optimistic. We move so slowly. And it's kind of an interesting dichotomy, right? If I can say that word, Dean, on this show. Of course. Feel free. You know, we have a, we have a, an assistance, military assistance group within Kiev now. I mean, US military does. We, and yes, but, but what I'm heading on this is the days of us teaching Ukrainians anything. How long gone.

• 23:20Speaker 06

  Long gone.

• 23:21Speaker 05

  I mean, we need, we need to be learning from them at every single level. What they have learned on the ground for everything, from how that their soldiers fight, how they organize, uh, to, you know, this kind of special operation. I mean, we, we need to be learning and I'm not sure we are humble enough as an institution to, to do that. But, you know, to mix point, everything from our vulnerabilities, our use of high-end uh, drones and weapon systems that are incredibly vulnerable. We talked about losing thirty, you know, thirty uh, predators over Yemen in the last few

• 24:02Speaker 05

  years, each of which is thirty million, billion, I mean thirty, sorry, thirty million dollars. Uh, you know, we just don't learn. We, and, and yet the Ukrainians are mass generating. And, you know, I read about one factory churning out ten thousand a month. You know, last time I was saying like a thousand a month, I was way low. I, people were sending in uh, comments about that. And we just are nowhere near this. And, and our acquisition system operates at like glacial speed. By the time that we, you know, we've chosen to adopt a platform or a weapon system and costing multi, multi-million dollars. And by the time it hits the assembly line, it's already obsolete. We've got nothing, done nothing to fix that.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  We will do nothing to fix it. At, at the infantry level, uh, and certainly I'm speaking for the Marine Corps, we are hopelessly, inadequately trained. I know that sounds like blasphemy, but the Marine Rifle Squad operates in much the same way it did twenty years ago. It's no more lethal, has the same weapon systems. That their use of drones is an afterthought if they use them at all. You know, we, we really need to, we really need to wake up. Will we? I don't know.

• 25:13Speaker 06

  Another aspect of this is controlling the, the transfer of technology, right? We as a country, legislation, whatever we need to do, we need to ensure that we're not only capitalizing on the technological advantages, but we're doing everything we can to prevent our adversaries from, because you know, like, let's face it, they generally, their plan, China I'm talking about specifically, is let the Americans develop it, innovate it, and then we're going to steal it, and then mass produce it. We got to make sure that we cut that chain, right? And one of the ways to do that is to work with your allies. I know it's not the popular approach right now, but we can do that if we work with our

• 25:53Speaker 06

  allies. And important to point out, you know, if you look at where the hubs in the United States are for technological advantage, or advancement I should say, it's in Northern California and around Boston. Why? Because that's where the universities that produce the best of the best are coming out of. We need to ensure that that continues. Like, whatever political issues, you know, between the administration and all that, I'll leave that to the political folks. But from a military standpoint, we want the best and the brightest come to the United States, and we want to take them. We want to, we want to basically steal them, and I don't mean kidnapping. But, you know, if you look at the top 10, you know, tech companies in the United States, I just heard this morning, five of them are

• 26:37Speaker 06

  run by immigrants into the United States. I mean, just go down a list. I mean, hell, Elon Musk, right? Let's, let's, let's, let's try to get the best talent in the world the right way by luring to the United States with the best education and keep it up, right? So this is all tied together. It's not a separate thing. It's not just an economic issue. It's about the preservation of our advantage and our nation's security.

• 27:04Speaker 11

  Absolutely.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, right on. A couple things to note. Early on, a couple hours ago, Axios was reporting that the Trump administration was notified of this attack, and they've retracted. The Trump, the administration wasn't notified until after this went down. So, you know, there's just different disinformation running rampant for sure, like everywhere. Everyone's going to get caught up in it because this is happening so fast. I feel like the last time this was like, it's such an insane sabotage, clandestine covert op was Israel and the pagers with Hezbollah. I guess shocking wise, right? Like,

• 27:41Speaker 04

  Uh, but this is, I mean.

• 27:43Speaker 05

  The scale of this is.

• 27:44Speaker 04

  Is.

• 27:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, in fact, yes, that's right. We were astounded a few months ago at the sophistication of that operation and now. And now it seems like a.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  I mean, they can't replace those aircraft like they probably don't even have the assembly lines to make new ones still. Cause they're, you know, they built them in the sixties and seventies or probably before then. Um. Also another one, there's some chirping going on in like the Russia telegram world. About like, uh, how this opens up the possibility of a nuclear tactical nuclear retaliation. What do you, I think it's bullshit. What are your thoughts on that?

• 28:19Speaker 06

  I agree that it's bullshit. I don't think it's gonna happen. I mean, if they're gonna do it, they're gonna do it. Here's the thing. They're always gonna say they're gonna use nukes. So, so what is Ukraine not supposed to win because they might use nukes?

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:30Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? I mean, it's a, yeah, I mean, it'd be horrible if they do. Um.

• 28:38Speaker 06

  But you got, you're in it to win it. So you take every possible chance you got to, to put them on our heels. Absolutely. And if they use nuclear weapons. Even technical, you know, so low yield, it's gonna spread into Poland and that, and I think should be considered an attack on NATO.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. You got to assume that, like talking about before, we were talking about like learning the tactics and what's going on now. In the war in Ukraine, like we should be like at, you know, learning this stuff as the US military. You have to assume Poland is like hoovering this information up, right? Like. Cause they're on the frontline right there with Belarus and stuff like that. Like they, they need to be gearing up for it, if it were to ever happen. Um.

• 29:20Speaker 06

  Well, you saw General, uh, Petraeus, I think this week talking about, he thinks Lithuania is next.

• 29:28Speaker 06

  Right? So if we don't, if we don't assist Ukraine and, and, uh, winning this.

• 29:36Speaker 06

  It's gonna spread. It's pretty obvious and it's time for, it's time for action. Less words, more action.

• 29:43Speaker 11

  Yeah, I absolutely agree. I mean, when I, when I coached and played football, there was a mantra that we used. Their weakness is our weakness. So, we could be great, have the best defense in the state, but all it takes is one misstep coupled with that hubris of we have the best defense in the state, and now we're them. We've made the same mistakes they are and we're getting our asses handed to us. So I think, like you said, Mick, some sort of consortium, something needs to be looked at in the United States, take a step back and say, where are we vulnerable? Because if you think about it, it was a great special operation. They were able to smuggle these trucks in and pull this operation off. But think about here in the United States, trucks drive everywhere freely.

• 30:27Speaker 11

  You know, so, and I'm an aircraft geek and I'm always looking at videos of, they call them plane spotters, who will sit outside of military bases and freely take pictures of these planes taking off and landing and everything. So what says that this couldn't happen here? You know, we need to definitely get off our hard horse and take a look back and say, you know, take a step back and say, where are we vulnerable in this same way?

• 30:50Speaker 06

  Great.

• 30:50Speaker 05

  I mean, Putin's been threatening nuclear escalation since the beginning of the war. You know, frankly, what do you, what do you think's holding him back? It's, it's not the goodness of his heart. It's not that, oh yeah, hey, I would do it, but I'm too nice a guy. He's not doing it because he knows what's gonna happen in return. And, and we haven't figured that out. You know, all the, the Russian sympathizers on, on the left and the right here, constantly refer, we're on the brink of the third world war. You know, whoever it is in, under, under Biden, it was the right wing accusing him of bringing us to that. And now, you know, there's, there's concern that, there's accusations that Zelensky is doing that. Well, no.

• 31:34Speaker 05

  It's like, A, Russia is the aggressor, by the way. It doesn't matter how we want to try and twist history. Russia is the aggressor. And B, Russia is not motivated by any feeling of benevolence towards the global

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  world order. Putin doesn't care about casualties, even his own. If he has not used nuclear weapons yet, it's because he is shit scared that they're going to be used against him too, and which will precipitate his downfall. I mean, that is so obvious. It's just amazing that we have to explain it on this show. But as you described, the show, really, the level that we're pitching is to cater for those who like the obvious being explained to them.

• 33:46Speaker 11

  I would say we would lose, we're gonna lose listeners after that, but no, no, they're gonna come out of the woodwork now.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  There was also like a, like a thread of thought that, uh, what went down in the Russian Telegram world about, um, how this was their Pearl Harbor. It's like, guys, are we fucking living in the same world? Like Andy just said, Russia is by far and away, without a shadow of doubt, the fucking aggressor here.

• 34:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:13Speaker 04

  So for them to be getting their-

• 34:15Speaker 06

  It's like Pearl Harbor if we invaded Ja- Japan first.

• 34:17Speaker 04

  Right.

• 34:18Speaker 06

  And then they fought back and blew up Pearl Harbor. Then it would be like Pearl Harbor.

• 34:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, anything else on this, guys? I mean, it's a pretty unprecedented thing. I know, it's gonna be going on all day. We've all been on our phones while we've been doing this. Looking at like any updates and stuff like that.

• 34:33Speaker 11

  I still wanna try to have Alex on at some point, talk about the aircraft losses.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, he would be great. Alex is, uh, of course, Air Power Sandbox News. He's, uh, the, you know, a- an expert on aviation, I would say, military aviation. Um, I mean, do we even talk about anything else here than this? Cause this is just the first thing that popped off and is insane.

• 34:56Speaker 05

  No, I think this is it.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  I mean, and I think, I, I think as usual, you know, there's normally about these things, there's a flood of information. And then there's, there's gonna be a little bit of a gap and then we'll get more. And we'll probably hear whether or not the, uh, we'll, we'll get a little more clarity on which Russian bases were, um, were hit. Uh, you know, what we do know is roughly the order of magnitude of, of aircraft destroyed because there's been very clear, uh, videos of it and all these bloggers and geeks who follow this stuff on, uh, on Twitter have been counting them. And by the way, so if you notice on all the FPV drones, and Alex will explain this, it's probably a very obvious point to Alex.

• 35:41Speaker 05

  But again, you know, I'm, I've made a career out of staying the obvious, so, but the, it, the FPVs are being driven right into the wing root. Have you noticed like the same place on every aircraft? And apparently that is, you know, if you're gonna do a single strike on an aircraft, that's, that's the best place to, to head. And the fact that, as you guys pointed out, $400- Insane. Can do that damage just by striking at that one point. Yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  Is there a possibility you think that they had like they were the fiber optic ones, but the fiber optics were connected to the actual cab of the truck? No, right? Probably not. So how are they controlling it so deep into Russia? That's the wild thing.

• 36:21Speaker 05

  That's what I don't understand. And and the fiber optic connected to the truck wouldn't make any sense because the ground, the fiber optics supposed to connect.

• 36:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, right, right, sorry.

• 36:31Speaker 05

  Um, I mean, I mean, that that is, that is a complete unknown. I I haven't heard of FBVs being controlled from that kind of distance. I mean, if we're talking, if we're really talking, I I think it must be an exaggeration where someone said four thousand clicks in for one of these bases.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  No, but let's say it's a thousand.

• 36:55Speaker 05

  If we're talking eighteen hundred clicks.

• 36:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 05

  Unprecedented. Right?

• 37:00Speaker 04

  No, these drones are like their range is like fifty kilometers. It's not super like long.

• 37:07Speaker 06

  Wasn't the base like four thousand?

• 37:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like forty three hundred clicks. So they must have had somebody on the ground, maybe not on the tr- not on the truck or in the truck, but uh, somebody was on.

• 37:17Speaker 05

  I don't know. I don't know, D. I mean, obviously they had someone on the ground to get this all set up. But they would have had to have, I mean, this, they, these are multiple, these are,

• 37:29Speaker 05

  you know, dozens of operators, right? And and so putting them on the ground would make them supremely vulnerable.

• 37:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

• 37:37Speaker 05

  Uh, so it makes sense that they were not on the ground, but how they're doing this is.

• 37:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, so there was a picture of a gentleman you mentioned who's who runs the G U R. Um, he was looking at a like, it looked like a map of one of the bases. It could be possible with the right amount of intelligence and the right, you know, knowing exactly where the stuff is, like maybe they pre-programmed these drones to where to fly to. Maybe? Absolutely.

• 38:05Speaker 05

  Maybe, except they're getting live feed from them, right?

• 38:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. So you have you have a connection somehow, yeah.

• 38:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, so there is a connection.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  And I mean, again, we we probably won't find out all the technical details, but again, here we are.

• 38:23Speaker 05

  The most sophisticated nation in the world. I can't imagine us pulling something off like this. Mick and you? I mean, I know probably we had a much better chance when you were still at the agency.

• 38:34Speaker 06

  I don't know. How about the most technically capable guy? But I mean, this, I think right now we need to be planning so that we can pull something like this off. Absolutely, 100%. I imagine it's not just the Marine Rifle Squad that's behind the power curve on this. I imagine you could probably even say JSOC and my old group, Special Activities, needs to take, suck up every piece of lesson learned that's going on in Ukraine right now and start figuring out how to use it in practical applications, preparing now.

• 39:09Speaker 11

  Yeah. The aviation geek in me took this operation and put it into terms of the US, say, 30 years ago, even back during Vietnam. And an operation of this sort, the aircraft that would have had to have been used, a manned aircraft, it's astounding that they were able to do this. And not just do this, but the videos that I'm seeing are from a reconnaissance drone that flew over during and after the attack and untouched was able to get over these airfields, take close-up pictures of the damage. Actually, I saw one where it was flying right behind one of the attack drones and watched it climb up and

• 39:53Speaker 11

  then dive right into, as Andy said, the wing root of an aircraft and destroy it. And then it just flew right over and kept recording. So the amount of manned aircraft that that would have taken is, it's astounding that they were able to pull this off.

• 40:09Speaker 05

  Okay, guys, so I can't verify this, but I got a message in answer to, so 300, so it was 150 small attack drones and 300 munitions, right? And 116 drones were launched. Get this, the drones were controlled via Russian telecommunications networks with automated guidance systems. So I'm going to need someone to explain that a little bit more to me because... They've got automated guidance systems. I suppose that's as a backup. Can you, I mean tunneling, so I suppose they tunneled into Russian telecommunications networks to control these things. I mean, that's incredible.

• 40:51Speaker 04

  That's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, it totally beats having, you know, 12 or so guys on the ground controlling these that are within 20 kilometers of what's going on.

• 41:02Speaker 05

  And I suppose, you know, another point that this really has emphasized is how, I mean, there are layers, I'm sure there are, there will of course be an integrated air defense system for every single one of those bases, right? And layers of of anti-air defense, I mean SAM systems, EW and of course, you know, patrols. And yet, there was no early warning, or if there was, it was too late. And we're not seeing anything, any reports of any of these things being shot down, which just shows what a difficult task it is when you've got

• 41:45Speaker 05

  a small quadcopter or multiple small quadcopters that can simply overwhelm a system like that. They're operating at a low altitude and they're operating a short distance. You know, there's just no IATs isn't configured, no IATs is configured to defend against that kind of threat. But I love, I love the fact of they that trucks were used for this. Commercial trucks and it's so effective and I do, you know, I'm not going to bang on about aircraft carriers again, but it it really is, I mean, it really is a stark contrast and illustrates for us what 21st century warfare should look like. And it doesn't look anything like what we're doing.

• 42:29Speaker 11

  And also the ripple effect of this, the mistrust that this is going to sow inside of Russia. I mean, any truck on the road now could be carrying these things. So every driver's under scrutiny. The people who, as you just pointed out, Andy, who are in charge of air defense, they're under scrutiny. All this stuff. So though it's a, the ripple effect is a big win for the Ukrainians.

• 42:53Speaker 06

  So I'm gonna have to jump in four minutes.

• 42:55Speaker 04

  All right.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  Mick, we've talked to you before about your priorities.

• 43:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, my god. Let's show you that this is usually don't do, don't do this on the weekend. So this is, I think.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is a hot topic.

• 43:08Speaker 06

  Yeah. This is a big deal.

• 43:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, maybe.

• 43:11Speaker 06

  Know that we know what's.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  See, we need to get out, we need to get our version out first before make a.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  We will, I'll get this out right away. Yeah.

• 43:18Speaker 05

  Um. You pay him more, right?

• 43:20Speaker 06

  We, we had more, we had more to talk about too, but this is kind of dominated.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:25Speaker 06

  We got Gaza going on, we got the ceasefire rejection by Hamas. Um, by the way, if I could put a plug in, uh, no media station should put out that Hamas accepted a ceasefire if they change the terms. It's just common sense, right? You can't say, I accept your offer to buy a car. When you were trying to sell it for five thousand and I come back and say, I'll buy it for three thousand. It's a rejection of the offer. And then it gets everybody all excited for good reason, because we'd all like to see a ceasefire. But all, and then they have to go, oh, well, it's not really an acceptance. They, they said that the war has to end and the IDF have to, has to withdraw. So I put up, I would ask all media, not just the US.

• 44:09Speaker 06

  Um, not do that. Explain that they rejected the offer.

• 44:14Speaker 04

  That's the problem. They want to get their, they want to get their headline out first and their tweet out first. That's all they really give a shit about.

• 44:22Speaker 05

  Hey, D, I'm, I'm sending you something that you should put in the, uh, in the chat when we put this out. I mean, there's some crazy video here, but check out the one I just sent you. Tell me if you think that's real. I mean, it apparently it is, but it just looks insane. No, it, it can't be real. But it's a picture of drones actually launching from the truck. Uh.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  Just.

• 44:45Speaker 05

  Wild. It's like sci-fi, right? Are you seeing that?

• 44:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, it's, uh, let me make sure, let me make sure this is the right tweet you sent me. Yeah, that's funny. You're funny, Andy. I will put this in there. Andy doing a little shit talking.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  That's hilarious. Alright, guys, get out of here. Have a happy Sunday, everybody. Obviously, we'll have more information on this as in the next couple of days. Maybe we'll do a something on Wednesday, Thursday, updating this. Of course, check out all the guys' links. They're all in the description, patreon.com/the team house to help support the show. You get both the team house and Eyes on Geopolitics ad-free and early. Yeah, thanks, guys. This is great. Thanks, everyone.

• 45:28Speaker 12

  All the best, fellas.

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