Drones over New Jersey: Foreign Actor or U.S. Penetration Test? | EYES ON PODCAST

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  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes On. We have the full crew here. Andy Milburn, retired Marine Colonel. Jason Lyons, former CIA officer, retired Marine. I've, I heard this before, that there are no former Marines, there are only retired Marines. Someone's corrected me before on that?

• 1:48Speaker 05

  There are no ex-Marines.

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  Ex-Marines, sorry.

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  There are former Marines.

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  Okay, and Mick Mulroy.

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  We're trying to avoid the term retired.

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  Because when people put it on license plates, it comes out as RTD. Yeah.

• 2:07Speaker 04

  And of course Mick Mulroy, former CIA paramilitary officer. Mick, what was your title? I'm sorry, in when you were in DOD?

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  I was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for the Middle East.

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  I'm gonna get that, I'm gonna get that in the next couple of episodes, I promise.

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  You do, leave it out.

• 2:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, sorry Andy. And of course.

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  Car heads.

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  Yeah, yeah. Another, not ex-marine, what do I say? Ex-marine?

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  I'm a former marine, yeah.

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  Former marine, alright. I don't want to get people upset.

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  It's just so this, we began this episode by saying his D, you know, former, I don't know, friend of, friend of goats and then there's another slum known as Brooklyn.

• 3:02Speaker 04

  I mean, I would have taken that. I would have taken that.

• 3:04Speaker 05

  I use the term slum because I've been criticized heavily on this show for using the term shithole.

• 3:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  Do you get it? I use it, it turns out someone lives there.

• 3:14Speaker 04

  So you're calling Brooklyn a shithole? Got it.

• 3:18Speaker 04

  Of course not.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  So we got a lot cooking. The thing that's like really all over Twitter and is now leaking and more, you know, more and more getting picked up by the mainstream media is the drones over New Jersey.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I know, like, if you guys know, you're not gonna be able to say anything. I think this is a United States pen test, like just seeing how local law enforcement or even federal law enforcement's reacting to this. You don't have to comment on that, that's fine, but I don't think it's aliens and I don't think it's Russians, Iranians or Chinese.

• 3:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I'm sorry.

• 3:58Speaker 06

  No, go ahead.

• 3:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, ki- kind of interesting what is happening, but regardless of who's behind it. And, and D, I, I mean, I, I agree, there's probably, there's cause for concern here if, because even if it, even if these aren't bad actors, someone's watching, right, how US responds and why they picked New Jersey, I don't know, and I'm gonna avoid using the term shithole, but. But again, you know, I mean, it's it's an area I I the assumption is that I suppose that New York is going to be highly protected. New Jersey is just next door. And so, you know, if you can penetrate New Jersey, then the implications are are are serious.

• 4:41Speaker 05

  And I point out at the same time, in US bases in my homeland, a country of origin, I should say, United Kingdom. There has been considerable drone activity, so much so that the UK military has deployed anti-drone defenses. And then you couple that with what Charles Lister was saying the other day about the proliferation of drone technology from Ukraine to the Middle East. And the HTS's use of drones in all types of drones. Picking up a lot of what the Ukrainians have learned. And then lastly, I I know we've touched on this before, and we're going to have an episode coming up, I hope, on Ukraine again, because

• 5:27Speaker 05

  the the rapid advance of drone technology there in Ukraine is a furnace for for a advanced drone technology and the integration of AI. Is is galloping at rapid pace, throwing in enough mixed metaphors there. But so right now, for instance, within Ukraine, I mean, we've seen in just in the last six months on the Russian side. Ukrainians are estimating that the Russians are throwing up about a thousand drones a day of all types, right, in a 24-hour period. And the Ukrainians can't match that, but they are focusing on the sophistication of drones.

• 6:09Speaker 05

  The the the distance, the legs on the average drone now, and we're talking very expendable drones, is about 30K. Right now, remember, near the beginning of the war, we were talking about 100K being like aspirational. That is regularly being, you know, they're regularly covering 100K with their both their reconnaissance drones and their strike drones. But, you know, the average drone operator at squad level and every Ukrainian squad has guys who are just focused on drone operations is around 30K, but perhaps more concerning than that. And by the way, these things are carrying are carrying warheads and.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  The perhaps more concerning that is again this integration of AI. So as drone operators are kind of high density, I mean, sorry, low density, high demand. Even in Ukraine, which is kind of a startup nation and they had plenty of tech guys and a lot of FPV drone pilots, but they never have enough. And so as their ability to to equip drones with AI increases and I just, you know, I I'll caveat this by saying an estimated only about 10% of drones now do have AI capability. And by that, I mean that they can bypass jamming.

• 7:34Speaker 05

  At some point in their in their journey, they they can bypass jamming by by object identification. And so it's kind of, it's often quite rudimentary. And and now you're talking just one or two K and in which the kind of the terminal guidance is provided by IA, but that is increasing all the time. And the sophistication of object identification is increasing too. And pretty soon you're going to have drones on both sides just roaming, looking and you know, searching and engaging based on based on AI with no humans in the loop and and neither the Russians or the Ukrainians

• 8:18Speaker 05

  have any issue with that. I'm not, that's not a judgment column, just comparing comparing it to on the United States, we're always going to have a human in the loop, I would imagine. But but countries that don't or don't care about that or are pushed into that necessity have a huge advantage and has to any adversaries here in the United States. So I I think it's.

• 8:43Speaker 05

  I think it's more than, you know, it is certainly something of concern. And I think we have to be, we collectively, law enforcement has to be very careful about what it's broadcasting, it's in its ability to counter these things. And if it doesn't have a significant ability to counter the next generation of drones that are going to be fully AI capable with a closure distance, you know, of 10K or more. And if we're not there yet technologically encountering that, we need to be quiet about it and we need to bring our capabilities up and focus all out on doing that. And that applies both to DOD and to law enforcement. You know, shut up at that point.

• 9:28Speaker 04

  So you think it's who? You think it's the US pen testing?

• 9:32Speaker 05

  Oh, is that what you're thinking?

• 9:34Speaker 04

  I, that's my guess. I don't have a clearance. I don't have to worry. So you have to answer this.

• 9:40Speaker 04

  Mick, what are your thoughts?

• 9:43Speaker 06

  Well, I don't know. Um, I would.

• 9:47Speaker 06

  I think Andy covered the technology we're facing right pretty well. I would say from a leadership perspective, if it's some kind of test, they need to, they need to tell people. I mean, this is well beyond, you know, I call it ridiculous. This is a test that's going on this long and they're not telling people it's a test. It's almost like they're deliberately trying to cause, you know, mass hysteria, which should not be the role of the US government for the US people. So I don't know. But I think, I think it's clear that they, if they're going to come out and say, you know, half of these are planes, they got to address the other half. Okay. So what's the other half? We don't think they're a threat. Well, what are they? We don't know. Well, how do you know if it's not a threat? I mean, these are just basic questions. You don't have to be a national security professional

• 10:33Speaker 06

  to understand that you can't just, you know, make statements like that without explaining why you think that's the case. And maybe it is the case and maybe they know, but it's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's past time for them to explain. If it's not a threat, why do you think it's not a threat? And what is it?

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• 13:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, Jason, you live in Jersey, man. So you actually see them.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I actually, I, I, I'm from Jersey and I work in Jersey, but I live in Pennsylvania, right across the border. And we have clear skies here. So I walk outside since this thing has started, I started counting probably about a week into it or so. And we average at least 15 to 20 a night. Like you'll, they'll go from, you can see them off to the south, traveling, or I should say, yeah, also the south a little bit, traveling east to west. And then you can see, like you see four or five of them, then you'll see another four or five coming back, or west to east, I'm sorry. And then you see them coming back east to west. And then in between, you just see them hovering all over.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  I was telling you guys before we started taping that I dropped my granddaughter off last night to my daughter, pulling the driveway, I get out and there's one hovering about 500 feet or so up or whatever. It's just flitting back and forth. And I just waved at it. It was like, have a good night. Walked inside, you get, and that could be, speaking to the whole pen test thing, that could be part of it, is trying to see how easily we're lulled into getting used to seeing these things. Because now, yes, people are freaking out. They're saying stuff, but I believe that a lot of people are just so used to them that they don't even care. It's like, we're just waiting for something to happen. But I'm getting phone calls and texts, you know, hey, what's going on?

• 14:35Speaker 01

  And I literally know as much as everybody else. I know that there was a briefing with mayors and some politicians from DC the other day, and I believe it was about five hours, and they didn't learn anything. So as Andy said, and as Mick was saying too, that they have to tell us something. Because if this is a test, okay, great, it's a test. You don't have to tell us what the test is, but tell us it's a test. We're doing it and it's a test. I don't believe it's aliens, but I also won't take everything else off the table.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  The problem is, is I'm also getting phone calls and texts and even at work getting, we're getting calls that people are saying, I'm gonna start shooting at these things. You know, or they're asking us the law. What's the law if I shoot one of these things down? And I'm not law enforcement. I won't say where it is I work, but I'm not law enforcement. So we have to tell people, we can't advise you one way or the other, but all we can say is, what goes up will come down. It has to come down and you're responsible for that. So, um, yeah, they're gonna have to do something. The other thing, the last thing I'll say is, uh, we, the houses, we sit under the approach for a, uh, not a major airport, it's probably a mid-level airport.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  And you used to see planes all the time. I'm watching one right now, actually, uh, uh, on its approach. Used to see them all the time at night. Now, since this has started, you might see one aircraft and it's like, almost like in between the drones, like the drones are not there, a plane will land and then the drones are back. So, I don't know what's going on, but it's gonna take either them telling us what's going on, or God forbid, a mid-air or a near mid-air or something like that. And nobody wants that.

• 16:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, that was, this was happening in Montana. There's a virtual hundred percent certainty of people will be shooting at these drones. I can tell you that right now.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 16:26Speaker 06

  You wouldn't be asking.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've had people that are saying, you know what, I'm just gonna start carrying my rifle with me. And if I'm in a place where nobody's around, or you know, it's out towards the ocean, I'm just gonna shoot at it. And I'm like, listen, I can't tell you one way or another, but good luck. Hey guys, it's Jack. I just wanted to talk to you today about a way that you can help support the podcast if you're not already. To support the channel is to become a Patreon member. So we have Patreon memberships that start at just $5 a month. And when you sign up, you get access to all of our episodes ad-free. Uh, that's the big bonus for that. I mean, we also do some Patreon bonus episodes for our subscribers. But this is the, the biggest and best way that you can support the Team House channel and podcast.

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• 17:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's interesting too now that like, uh, more and more, we don't have answers or even like a clue. People are taking this and running with it, like with conspiracy theories and stuff like that. Twitter is like, even my Twitter where I'm not a UFO guy is inundated with like, these drones, that drones, these orbs in Jersey. And it's like non-stop. And even a buddy of mine, who's I respect and I think is a smart guy, called me up the other day. He's like, yo, can you tell me what's going on? I'm like, he was like freaking out and he's like a, he's like an attorney, like a successful guy. I'm like, dude, relax, even if it is the fucking Chinese or somebody like nothing's like, what are they gonna do? They're not gonna kill us.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  Like calm down, your day to day is fine and it's not aliens. So stop thinking about that.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, even like I think Andy said it earlier.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Whatever it is, our, our enemies are watching and they're learning based on, you know, the media and our responses and our government. And they're just, you know, metaphorically writing this stuff down and saying, okay, now we know what works. So it behooves our government to get us some sort of answers. You don't have to give us all the details, but tell us something so that people will stop freaking out and the bad guys will stop learning.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  Just one more question. Who could it possibly be if it's, I mean, the DOD came out and said that it's not a foreign actor? Right? But they also said, we don't know what it is.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  And in some cases there were like where they're working in unison and stuff like that. Who has the capability to do that?

• 19:05Speaker 06

  We're speculating here hypothetically.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  I don't know who has, as in, I can't say it's, you know, China or it's this or that or I don't know enough about it. But I mean, you have to, we have run the gamut at work from a bad actor, China, Russia, Iran, whatever, all the way through to a, I'm not, I'm not saying that it's X, you know, or not X, SpaceX or anything like that. But what I'm saying, a company like that, working in concert with the government and saying, hey, we want to test these things out, these drones out, you know, do your, we have your permission. So, also too, we had to even kick around, it's just some private people screwing around.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  I, that's way far end of the spectrum because if it isn't the government and it is some private entity, there's no way they would, the government would put up with that. So I don't think it's that, but it's, you have to just take every possibility except for aliens. So I'm gonna say that.

• 20:08Speaker 06

  And unless you're really just trying to see, you know, the average civilian's reaction, which seems like they wouldn't do that, why not go to a test facility?

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 20:18Speaker 06

  We have them all over the place, right? Where you're not bothering people, you're not changing directions of flight paths, you're not having people standing outside with shotguns.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:27Speaker 06

  We should point out, if you do shoot something up, it comes down, right? So.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 20:31Speaker 06

  Not promoting doing that because you could end up killing somebody. But we have test facilities all over the country. So it's a counter drone thing.

• 20:42Speaker 06

  Why are they doing overpopulated areas?

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think it's entirely possible that it's individuals. You know, we assume, and this is part of the problem with drones and drone technology, how much is it has improved? We assume when we see something like this that looks fairly sophisticated, that it is governmental or an organization or a company. But again, you know, if you're watching Ukraine and you're watching the, the people that are making, turning drones into magic out there, it is the drone operators and yes, in conjunction with small startups. It's entirely possible that that technology has been brought over here and it's a dude or a bunch of dudes with that kind of know how who are doing this purely for their amusement. I mean.

• 21:26Speaker 06

  The FBI are leading an investigation then? Aren't these guys going over airports and over?

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:32Speaker 06

  Ways and like that's all against the law.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  It's crazy and it's only at night. I don't know anyone who has, at least where I work, there's never been reported during the daytime. Literally as soon as the sun goes down, boop, they start popping up and some of the reports, some of the things that we have seen are they're as small as the little quadcopter ones. And some are reporting as, and this is from law enforcement, as large as a, a small car. So I don't know. I assume that there are private entities that might have them that big, but some are saying fixed wing. I've never seen a fixed wing. The ones I've seen are like a larger quadcopter type. But uh, my thing is this, they have to originate and terminate somewhere. So

• 22:16Speaker 01

  uh, talking to someone um, who works in aviation. Most of them, their um, RCS or radar cross section is small enough that it's very hard or impossible to pick them up on radar. But some are big enough that they are picking them up and they are warning aircraft that something is in the area. So there's, I believe, this is me, for everybody out there, I believe our government knows at least where they're originating from and going back to um. But they ju- until they know more, they're just not going to say more. So um. Yeah, because I mean, anybody who has time and you know, um. A good view of the sky would be able to at least figure out the general area where they're coming from. So.

• 23:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:06Speaker 04

  Uh, next thing on the docket, um, a little bit more Syria. Uh. There's a Syria conference going on in Jordan. Um, make you, you brought this up in terms of wanting to talk about it. What are you, what are you thinking? What's your?

• 23:21Speaker 06

  Well, I mean, there's a couple of things I'd point out. First of all, you know, a week before Aleppo fall, there was most diplomats, including Western diplomats, were throwing in a towel completely, right? They were like, Assad's won this thing. We gotta normalize relationships, take the sanctions up, blah, blah, blah. It's just a lesson learned that people should, you know, don't not be so easily towed to, you know, dictators and despots, right? Sometimes you just have to bear with it, stick to it, and in order to succeed. And, and I just was reading a whole article about all the comments. I'll leave people's name out of, out of it about people who were essentially not only wrong, but really just to throw in the towel. So, and then, of course, after Aleppo fell,

• 24:06Speaker 06

  just how fast everything fell, right? It shows you that a lot of these dictators, if it wasn't for foreign actors like Russia and Iran, would not be there. And Assad is absolutely had a good example of that. You know, we went from Thursday, I think, was Hamas, and then al-Mus was almost immediately after that. And then, you know, that was supposed to be the last, you know, holdout for Assad's forces. It fell immediately, and then so did Damascus. So I would just point that out, that sometimes tenacity and persistence is what wins these things. And I would just highlight that is what's needed for Ukraine. It's not to, I'm tired, I'm tired, I'm tired, just let them have it. Okay. That's what they want you to do. So I'd highlight that to start with.

• 24:52Speaker 06

  The other, so yeah, they're in Akaba. It's gonna have been Akaba. It's got great diving, by the way. But there's about, I think, 12 different countries represented there, plus the UN, you know, Peterson, the special envoy. There's no Syrians there, which I find kinda odd. There's no Syrian representation. I don't know why that's the case, but, you know, if that was deliberate, it'd be interesting to find out why. I think that's always a bad idea. The whole, this whole thing hinges on the Syrian. You know, components working together to establish a government that represents all Syrians, right? And so they're going to have this entire international conference, which probably is also talking about humanitarian assistance and, you know, recovery operation, reconstruction. And they don't have anybody there represent. They actually have somebody that stepped into

• 25:37Speaker 06

  the transitional prime minister role, Beshear. So I don't know. I'm not sure why that's the case. Somebody needs to explain that. It sounds like they should be. And then, of course, and I point out, you know, Secretary Blinken's there. He's laid out the steps that they have to do to be recognized, whatever comes out of this by the US government, full diplomatic relations, right? It's the State Department. That is protection of the minority. Okay, the minority, including all components, ethnic groups in Syria. The elimination of all chemical weapons, biological weapons. So they have to identify it, find it, turn it over, and it's gone. Third,

• 26:18Speaker 06

  I think there's four totals. I hope I can remember all four. The third is it cannot be a launching point for other actors to attack me, whether it's Iran, Russia to extent, and also ISIS, right? So they have to be active in their efforts to make sure that there's no external attacks coming out of that. And the fourth is humanitarian assistance, right? So we're seeing this, you know, and I'm involved, you know, full disclosure, I'm involved in a lot of humanitarian operations, my company is. We're seeing humanitarian assistance be used as a weapon all over the place. The groups are restricting, you know, food going to babies

• 26:58Speaker 06

  out of some idea that it's gonna actually help them in their struggles, you know, their internal civil wars, etc. That has to be something that is addressed. And it's good that Secretary Blinken made that very clear. And the four things that whatever government comes out of this has to do, they have to allow unfettered humanitarian assistance to all people in need in Syria. So.

• 27:23Speaker 06

  The other component I think that's fairly interesting is Israel took all the opportunity to essentially annihilate the Syrian military capacity. I think it's about eighty-five percent kaput. We're talking airfield, aircraft, naval vessels, where they think the chemical weapons and biological weapons are. All their facilities have been just, I think, almost three hundred and fifty strikes since, maybe four hundred now. So it is a country that's now almost leveled, leveled physically. They don't have a military capability. So it's going to take a lot of, and I understand why Israel did that. They didn't want these

• 28:03Speaker 06

  systems falling into the hands of disparate jihadist groups. But the international community, it's got to be more than an observation. It's got to be more than conferences in resorts in Akaba. It's got to be, we have to come up with a plan, support the government and the people, more importantly, recover and become part of the community of nations. And that's going to take money. It just is.

• 28:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, I would add to, you know, Mick's point about, I noticed that the Syrians either weren't invited or didn't send anyone. And it seems strange when you consider what Charles Lister was saying last week about how keen HTS has been so far to establish international relations and to be recognized, you know, not just with Turkey. But on that point, so there were no Syrian representatives. And interestingly enough, the Turks sent someone, but it was not their foreign minister, right? So think about this. I mean, there are a few things happening overseas or beyond their borders that are more important than it's

• 29:15Speaker 05

  what is happening in Syria right now to Turkey. And yet, you know, the United States sends Secretary of Defense, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iraq send their foreign ministers, right? The Secretary General of the Arab League is attending. And as Mick said, the United Nations is there too. And Turkey sends a lower level delegate, all right? So it, so I'm wondering. I'm wondering if perhaps Syrians not being there wasn't a question them not being invited, or even that they didn't want to be there. I'm talking about HTS, but maybe they're getting someone whispered in their ear that it wouldn't be a good idea, i.e. the Turks. Okay, no, that's purely speculation.

• 30:01Speaker 05

  But I would add that, you know, if you look what's happening in the northeast of the country, you talked about it this a lot, a little bit last week, the Turks are pounding the SDF. They continue to do so. They call them the YPG, which is the People's Protection Unit, and they deliberately do that because the YPG is classified as, you know, is a clearly classified by the Turks as a terrorist organization. They claimed all along that the SDF is merely a cover for the YPG. And then on, just yesterday, the Turkish Foreign Minister came on air in an interview with Turkish mainstream media and said,

• 30:46Speaker 05

  "It's our strategic target to eliminate the YPG," right? I.e. the SDF. And he says something like that, "Hey, the entire, the entire command level of YPG should leave the country now, and basically, anyone who doesn't is going to stop living." And he was very direct in that. Of course, I don't speak Turkish. I'm reading a translation.

• 31:12Speaker 05

  And, you know, at the same time, shut up, Richie. At the same time, you know, the head of the SDF, Masloun, is accusing the United States of deserting the SDF.

• 31:25Speaker 05

  Because the US has told, the SDF has told Masloun to pull back all his forces to Easter the Euphrates, right, to pull them out of man-bitch. And and actually, it's a little unfair to accuse the US of betraying the SDF by asking them to do that because that was based on a prior agreement with the Turks. But it but it is true that the, you know, the obviously, the US administration concerned that the SDF is in existential danger because they're a former ally, a close ally, and enabled us, and that's an understatement, to defeat ISIS.

• 32:09Speaker 05

  But on the other hand, the Masloun is, you know, let's face it, yes, he was our friend, is our friend, but he is a, he's a wanted terrorist to the Turks. And they are, you know, they they're sending blood right now, and and they are.

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• 34:25Speaker 05

  Holding the cards. And I think probably the next thing we have to look for is the fall of or a Turkish attack on the Kurdish majority city of Kobani. And by the way, it was an Islamic State attack on Kobani back in 2015 that initiated, I think it was 2015, that started our whole partnership with the Kurds when that city was under threat. So it's going to be interesting to see what happens if and when Turkey closes in on Kobani. But definitely, they are, they're after the SDF now. And who knows whether they intend to drive them all out of the country, as they said.

• 35:07Speaker 05

  I mean, if they, if they do so, what our stance will be, the United States. We're caught in between here because we definitely need the Turks. Aside from the fact they're a NATO ally, they have the Wastan in Syria. And this, you know, this conference in Akaba, whatever is decided is unlikely to carry a great deal of weight unless it's backed by the Turks and of course, the Syrian interim government.

• 35:37Speaker 06

  Good point.

• 35:40Speaker 05

  And meanwhile, the Turks are continue to back the SNA, which is, you know, as we discussed with Charles Lister, a kind of a ragtag group of different Arab groups, but they do not have a great reputation when it comes to all the things that we've told the Syrian government to adhere to, you know, inclusiveness, recognition of human rights, all of that. That's not the SNA. They are

• 36:08Speaker 05

  from from our standpoint, US standpoint, those who come into any contact with them, basically a bunch of criminals funded by Turkey.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  So if you're you're the US, you know, intelligence and state, what's your biggest concern? Is it Russia gaining influence again? Or is it like a counterterrorism concern? Is it ISIS? You know, because, you know, the HTS guy isn't exactly like

• 36:39Speaker 04

  a fucking freedom-loving guy. He was in our jails in Iraq for a while, you know. So what? Yeah, what's the US's aim here? Obviously, you want to see where the where it all settles, like when the dust clears. But what can the US expect?

• 36:59Speaker 05

  I would say Islamic State front and center is probably what the administration is most concerned about right now is, you know, a resurgence of the Islamic State.

• 37:10Speaker 05

  I'm glad to see a pragmatic approach to the HTS.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  I know I may be in a minority here, but I, you know, so my feeling is, so what if he, you know, he spent time in our jails? So what if he's a wanted terrorist in the past? We have to, you know, people will change their spots. They're all pragmatists in this region. All right. It isn't like they they live and die by prior loyalties. And we make the mistake all the time of mirror imaging that and assuming that they're all just Americans trying to struggling to be free. So Jelani will do what is in the best interests of of the HTS. Yes, maybe in the best interests of Syria. That's kind of what we're hoping. And I think the administration wants to give him a chance. I think that's a good thing.

• 37:56Speaker 05

  But along with the stipulations that Mick laid down, we're going to be looking very closely on what happens to what the Islamic State is doing in the country. And yes, of course, influence of Iran. I would say influence of Iran even higher than our concerns about influence about Russia. Simply because again, we, we, this has been great news from, from our standpoint in that the kind of the land bridge from between Iran and Lebanon has been interrupted. And that Hezbollah has been defeated and both in, both in Lebanon and now in Syria.

• 38:36Speaker 05

  This is all good news and we'd hate to see some kind of diplomatic agreement by which Iran is that reestablishes influence in Syria. And then after that, of course, Russian influence, but you know, to be as, as much as, as much as I think the Russians are at the serial and they certainly are. Russian influence in, in Syria is not as direct a threat to US interests as are Iranian or the Islamic State. Just, I mean, just my, my opinion, of course, I'm not a spokesman for the US government.

• 39:11Speaker 06

  Well, I do think ISIS is the primary concern, right? It was a big defeat, strategic defeat for Russia and Iran. And it goes to what Andy was talking about before, right? So the SDF is our primary partner when it comes to not only the ensuring the enduring defeat of ISIS, but if it should ever resurface. Right? So we're going to have to, we've been doing this for years. We're going to have to balance Turkish issue with, with the need to maintain, was one of the best partner force operations we've had, period, right? So hats off, it's primarily an army, a special operations effort and you know, my old crew played part of that too, but. It's still there and it's still it's still doing what it's intended to do. So that's the biggest concern.

• 39:54Speaker 06

  Whether HTS, I I hear what Andy's saying, I wouldn't trust him and I don't think we need to trust him. I think we can hold out the fact that they are currently a designated terrorist organization and he's a designated terrorist over his head to make sure he does the right thing, right? I'm not saying we don't deal with him, but he has an opportunity to do the right thing. If he's truly just a Syrian nationalist now and not a, you know, international jihadist, then great, prove it, prove it, just prove it. Like, we don't even need to just, he, he, it's gonna be proven or not, right? We're gonna find out the answer to the test questionnaire. So, and I think that's a good thing to hold over his head, right? He, if he truly wants to have a new start,

• 40:35Speaker 06

  he can do it right now. And I, and I think that's, I do think that's worth seeing if he does. But primarily, and that's the only authority we have to be there, by the way. I mean, I think you guys all know that. Like, the US military can't just go and occupy countries even if we don't like them. We're there because of the 2002 AUMF, right? Which you could debate, we could have a whole show on that, but that's why the US military gets to be there, right? Because ISIS is an offshoot of Al Qaeda and this is the authorized use of military force against them. So the, the primary reason we're there is the reason we have authority to be there.

• 41:16Speaker 04

  Jay, you got anything?

• 41:18Speaker 01

  No, I'm learning. This, it's like such a mishmash for me, you know? Just when I think I know the area, the region, they pull this and I have to learn. So I'm learning from these guys.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  I mean, it's, I think it's clear that like Jelani is angling to at least be a new boss in Syria, right? And what do, I don't want to call him, I don't want to call him like an authoritative authoritarian yet, but like what do guys like that want? They want to keep their ass in, in power, right? So it's like they're gonna play ball. It's at, at least in some way, anyway, I would think, for his interests.

• 42:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think, you know, I mean, we we let it play out, but as Mick points out, we, you know, we we carry a big stick. I mean, and we're waving the carrots, but in the background is implicitly is the big stick. And of course, if we waved the big stick, we've got to be willing to use it lessons of 2013 in Syria.

• 42:20Speaker 05

  The the other, the other thing that we haven't mentioned so far, which undoubtedly is a concern are

• 42:27Speaker 05

  Iranian backed Iraqi militias, you know, their their possible interference

• 42:35Speaker 05

  by smuggling weapons back into Syria and also threatening the garrison in Al Tauf, you know, with drone attacks. That, you know, those, those things are, I would imagine are on Blinken's mind during this conference because Iraq sent its prime minister, again, this is how important this is to other countries, sent its prime minister to that. Oh, no, no, it wasn't in the conference. It was in Blinken's stop in Baghdad on the way to Akbar. And who's the prime minister, Soudani. Blinken had said something along the line, said, look, make sure that you, you keep an eye on Iranian backed militia and they don't

• 43:17Speaker 05

  try and take advantage of this situation. And he got in the insurance from the Iraqi government that, hey, we, you know, we're not interested in anything beyond our borders, which wasn't really an answer, but we'll see what happens there. That is definitely a concern. I mean, what we we haven't seen a lot of coverage about how these militias have reacted to the fall of Hezbollah and whether, you know, essentially, they are the most powerful proxy in the region. Arguably,

• 43:48Speaker 05

  simply because Hezbollah is going to be going through a very severe regeneration process right now. And so certainly that's something we should be giving an eye on.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  So I have a question.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Given that Assad is not permanently gone, as in physically, is there a chance that he could make a comeback? Or is that probably just done?

• 44:12Speaker 05

  I would say not a chance in hell. I mean, look how his, look how his supporters have, they've not just melted away, but embraced the rebels.

• 44:25Speaker 05

  I mean, again, you know, when he was the strong man, people supported him out of fear, but there doesn't seem to be any sense of loyalty towards him or even regret that he's gone. I mean, if you look at interviews with some of his former officials, they're like, yeah, we hated that guy. It's a new part. So I don't know how, in answer to your question, Jason, I don't, you know, I, I I mean, even if the Russians had the scheme to put him back in, which I, you know, I just don't think that that dumb, frankly, I, I, I don't see how, how they could possibly do it. There's no platform there for him anymore.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  And he was never.

• 45:08Speaker 05

  He's according to The Onion, he's running a Lenskraft.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  He just opened one in downtown Moscow.

• 45:15Speaker 06

  I mean, his father, Hafiz, he was a, he was a military man, right? He was brutal. I mean, he killed 40,000 people on the mall, for example. But he, he was, he was the strong man, right? His son was supposed to take over, who was a military man, not the ophthalmologist, right? So he came, when his son died in a car accident or something, they called him back. I think they sent him, they made him an honorary colonel or something to try to give him some kind of strong man credibility. And then he started off saying, well, we should keep this in mind, mostly the right things, right? He was going to open up Syria. It's going to be a new day in Syria. And then as soon as he got challenged, he started killing people. So, and I, but you know, as strong man goes, he didn't have the creds.

• 46:00Speaker 06

  He basically, he basically just got forced into the role. So I don't think he's, he's, has a chance to come back, but I also, it's another warning that you can't, you have to see actions, not words. Let's see whoever takes over and see when they get challenged, what they do.

• 46:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right. I mean, I think that's right on target. Mick, you know, interestingly, you brought up a hammer. So 1982. There was an uprising against Assad's father and Hamad has a it became a byword for brutal suppression because an estimated 40,000 people were, as Matt pointed out, were were killed there. You know, initially reports were 1,000 and then 10,000, 20,000 now.

• 46:50Speaker 05

  It appears that 40,000 was nearer the mark. So it was the most the highest casualty rate in in any suppression such in a single city in in any kind of campaign in modern times until Gaza. Right? Um, I'm not, I'm not going beyond that.

• 47:12Speaker 06

  Next topic.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  One thing I want to do bring up with in Syria, Austin Teis, journalist that's been jailed since 2012, escaped briefly in 2013 and has been is still missing. What do you guys? What are you guys tracking on that?

• 47:33Speaker 06

  So I mean, one thing I I'm glad you brought up and put on the list. We there is an FBI. It's an aged photo, you know. Maybe we can put that out, but people can put that out to because you know, now the world's all interconnected, right? So somebody walking around Syria that might have seen this guy, maybe he's still being held by somebody for some kind of, you know, monetary gain or something. You know, we can't forget about this guy. He's not only an American, but he's a former Marine.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Former Marine.

• 48:04Speaker 06

  Former Marine, that's right.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Got it.

• 48:08Speaker 06

  Infantry officer, actually, I think. So we need to, we need to make sure that picture gets out there and that this this guy in any American, not just a former Marines that are Americans, but that we are keeping an eye on this. I know Roger Carstens and his team are doing every possible thing. They can to get him back. If you don't know Roger, former Special Forces officer and completely dedicated to this mission.

• 48:33Speaker 06

  But let's let's make sure that now there's, you know, there's questions he's still in Syria. Was he actually taken somewhere? I don't know. I don't want to start any speculation because I simply don't know. But the the key is that the more information that's out there on him, the more likely somebody who may have seen him or somebody that has him reports it to somebody that can do something about it. And whether that's an actual recovery operation or a negotiated, you know, through Rogers team. Obviously, would be better to be negotiated. It's safer for Austin, but let's make sure that we can get spread the word and get that picture out there.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  I saw a story just before we came on that said, I don't know how true it is, but allegedly there's a guy that was held at the same time as him and said that as late as 2022, he saw him. He got a glimpse of him exercising or something like that. So there's some hope. It's a little bit dated, but there's that hope.

• 49:33Speaker 06

  Yes, that's important. So he's likely still alive.

• 49:40Speaker 04

  I have one little question about Syria, going back to the like the broader.

• 49:47Speaker 04

  Is there a world where like we partner with HTS to fight ISIS?

• 49:52Speaker 06

  We don't need him.

• 49:53Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 49:54Speaker 06

  We don't need him. We have the partner that we've trained for years. It's very effective fighting force. And the SDF isn't all Kurds. I mean, there's, I know there's a little splintering going on. There's, there's a sizable component of Arabs and that was always under published for some reason, even though our military brethren always talked about it. But they are, they are by far the most effective at fighting. Every time somebody said they were going to take over and do that for them. That's what Turkey told us, right? When I was in the Pentagon, they never did, right? So the SDF is a, and they live there, by the way. So I don't know where they're supposed to go. They're from Syria.

• 50:30Speaker 06

  So they are, they are like seamlessly integrated with US military, special operations, US military in general, US intelligence. They are, they are the ones we need to use to keep that going.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  Cool. A potential ceasefire in Gaza. Anything is that on the horizon, hopefully?

• 50:56Speaker 06

  Renewed renewed belief that something could actually happen. So I know we've talked about this over and over again, but what seems to be different is the transition team, President Trump's transition team has made it very clear that they want to see a ceasefire before they start January 20th. He has more influence, I think it's fair to say, over Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has now said he is willing to essentially enter a ceasefire and stop the, we have to have total victory before we have a ceasefire, which even Golan said was, I think he said gibberish, right? Like, what's total victory look like? And Hamas, I think, now

• 51:35Speaker 06

  understands that they are isolated, you know, Hezbollah is dismantled, it has a ceasefire, Assad's gone, they even had issues with the Qataris throwing, you know, throwing the leadership out of Doha. I think they're in a spot where they need a ceasefire. And they've come off the requirement that in order to have one, that the IDF has to withdraw. So the IDF can stay, I think, 60 days. It's, I don't know what the current parameters are. They can stay in the Nezarene Corridor, which is divides the middle. They can stay in the Rafa. I think it's Philadelphia Corridor, Philadelphia Corridor. So that is, is giving a lot of the negotiators hope that

• 52:18Speaker 06

  they can actually get a ceasefire. Because if this goes into the Trump administration, Hamas is going to get even worse of a deal. And I think Prime Minister Netanyahu doesn't want to start his relationship, second relationship with Trump, not getting into a ceasefire, which President Trump is, President-elect Trump has said is what he wants.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  I hope it happens, man, because it sounds like it's freaking devastating over there. And of course, the last little bit is South Korean president, we spoke about that with General June a couple of days ago, great episode, check it out if you haven't. The South Korean President Yun has been impeached, it's just a starting, like, process, because, Mick, you were talking about, like,

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• 55:09Speaker 06

  Yeah. So we were talking about it. You guys, you guys don't want to talk to the general, but it appears that so he's removed from his duties. That's how they impeach, because he was impeached and he has one hundred and eighty days to be tried in the constitutional courts. If he is convicted, then there's sixty days for them to choose a new prime minister. So, um, yeah, that's, that's, then there's the facts. It's certainly not a good thing for the United States to have such instability. And a key partner like South Korea, I'm sure they could say the same thing every time we have impeachments. But, uh, you know, if you, I doing research for talking about this before.

• 55:51Speaker 06

  You gotta look at the histories of all these, I'm, because he's a, he's a president or a prime minister. He's president, right?

• 55:56Speaker 04

  President.

• 55:57Speaker 06

  President, right. If you look at the history of the South Korean presidents, man, it never ends well.

• 56:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:01Speaker 06

  He just went into retirement.

• 56:03Speaker 04

  I saw that.

• 56:04Speaker 06

  I didn't know it was that unstable. So, you know, you could take, take umbrance in that and say, well, this is actually that unusual. So.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:11Speaker 06

  Uh, I don't know if I would if I was South Korean, but.

• 56:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:13Speaker 06

  It really is not, it, it really is, is kind of par for the course. I didn't know that. I was looking it up.

• 56:21Speaker 04

  It's almost like, why would you want to be president? Yeah, like the, the retirement life does not seem conducive to like having, being, you know, having fun. Um.

• 56:33Speaker 05

  General Chen, uh, by the way, I, again, I, I would recommend that episode. I, I mean, I was the career plans officer at Malfo pack, but I learned a ton. Uh, from this guy and, um, former head of, uh, South Korean Special Warfare Command. And despite the fact that he grew up in Brooklyn, speaks perfect English and really was, uh, I, I think one of our best guests.

• 56:56Speaker 06

  That was good. That was good.

• 56:57Speaker 04

  I was good.

• 56:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, he, he has some really interesting comments about the, the special warfare commands role in that attempted coup. And also very interesting comments about the, you know, to Max's point, recent Korean history, how turbulent it's been. And how, uh, how this was such a milestone event. Because there is part of the Korean constitution that allows for martial law should, should they go back to war in North Korea? And actually they've never stopped being at war with North Korea technically. Uh, but um, but, but you, so you activated that, but not under the circumstances under which

• 57:37Speaker 05

  it, it was authorized. But anyway, but yeah, I do urge people to go to, to, uh, not urge, but I recommend that, uh, that episode. It's terrific.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was great. Um, that's it, boys. It was nice.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was awesome.

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• 59:06Speaker 01

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• 59:09Speaker 01

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