Before SEALs & Delta Force: Snipers in the Revolutionary War

Historian Patrick K. O’Donnell returns to discuss Revolutionary Snipers, the story of the elite riflemen, scouts, and frontiersmen who helped shape the American Revolution from Quebec and Trenton to Saratoga, Cowpens, and Yorktown. We also dig into Daniel Morgan, Benedict Arnold, the brutal realities of 18th-century warfare, and how these early marksmen helped pioneer tactics that would echo through American special operations history. Grab Revolutionary Snipers here: https://a.co/d/016sdflC Grab all of Pat's books here: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001HD3XV2/allbooks?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=aufs_ap_ahdr_dsk_ab&pd_rd_w=FO3ao&content-id=amzn1.sym.7e190e19-9f6f-4df8-807a-5a7608594741&pf_rd_p=7e190e19-9f6f-4df8-807a-5a7608594741&pf_rd_r=134-8478678-6951434&pd_rd_wg=Z04OS&pd_rd_r=36f5cf27-ed23-4256-99a2-0ce95e0c3084&ccs_id=38f725f7-e3a0-4e5c-b711-ec16977af65f Today's Sponsors: VAER Watches ⬇️ https://www.vaerwatches.com/theteamhouse get a free watch roll with your purchase. 20% for active duty, veteran, leo, & first responders GhostBed ⬇️ https://www.ghostbed.com/house FOR 10% off! Quince⬇️ go to: https://www.quince.com/house for free shipping and 365 day returns Blue Chew ⬇️ https://bluechew.com/ Get 1 month free when you buy 2 of BlueChew Gold with code "HOUSECALL" For ad free video and audio and access to live streams... Subscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse ___________________________________________________ GRAB JACK'S NEW BOOK "THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN" ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/803651/the-most-dangerous-man-by-jack-murphy/paperback/ Subscribe to the new EYES ON podcast here:⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnGeopoliticsPod/featured Social Media: ⬇️ The Team House Instagram: https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_link The Team House Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePod Jack’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_link Jack’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21 Team House Discord: ⬇️ https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6 00:00 – Start 01:16 – The First Revolutionary Snipers 04:59 – The Pennsylvania Long Rifle, the “Widowmaker” 09:34 – The Riflemen Mutiny 10:16 – Benedict Arnold & the March to Quebec 11:21 – Starvation in the Maine Wilderness 16:23 – The Siege of Quebec 20:05 – Daniel Morgan’s Rise 24:02 – Fort Ticonderoga & Benedict Arnold 29:40 – Hessian Mercenaries & Britain’s Manpower Problem 34:57 – Washington Confronts British Atrocities 36:53 – The Forgotten Forage War 37:40 – Trenton & the Sniper Shot That Changed the Battle 42:14 – Washington Strikes at Princeton 45:47 – Washington Creates the Rifle Corps 47:24 – Morgan’s Rifle Corps Heads to Saratoga 54:27 – General Fraser Goes Down 56:24 – Burgoyne’s Army Surrenders at Saratoga 1:00:20 – Cowpens & Morgan’s Defense in Depth 1:03:59 – Yorktown & the End of the War 1:17:26 – Benedict Arnold: From Hero to Traitor Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 4:03Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, absolutely. Hey, folks. Welcome to the Team House. My name is Jack Murphy, and we are here with tonight's guest, returning to the show for a second time, Pat O'Donnell. No, a third time, I'm sorry. You were on this show once to talk about the OSS. So Pat is a historian. He has written books about the OSS. His last book, previous to this, was a book about the Civil War. And this book, Revolutionary Snipers, which is out at Barnes & Noble right now, and as this podcast is coming out, it'll probably be out in bookstores everywhere. Revolutionary Snipers, which traces the path of marksmen, riflemen, who fought in the

• 4:47Jack Murphy?

  American Revolution. So, Pat, welcome back to the show.

• 4:52Speaker 04

  Oh, it's great to be here. I love coming on this show. It's one of my favorites, because we always go deep into the topics.

• 4:59Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, your work is very in-depth on the, you know, I know you go deep. You spend a lot of time at the archives and everything else, pulling all of this work together.

• 5:10Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Revolutionary Snipers is narrative history. It's a band of brothers. On the first members of the Continental Army, on June 14, 1775, Congress authorizes 10 rifle companies to be formed, and they are the first members of the Continental Army. But it's way more than that. These are not only the best shooters in Washington's Army, but these are frontiersmen that had lit, you know, many of them were long hunters. Many were like Daniel Boone, that, you know, hunted deep beyond the Alleghenies, deep into Native American territory, learned, you know, and pioneered woodcraft, could live on their

• 5:54Speaker 04

  own for months at a time. These were exceptional scouts, intelligence gatherers, and they also, as the war went on, would pioneer some regular warfare, and also harness Native tribes, and even dress as Native Americans disguised as them, so that they could do deep raids and penetration missions in the Ohio Territory and other places.

• 6:19Jack Murphy?

  Tell us a little bit about why you decided to write this book? Like, how did this come about? Because I remember years ago, you mentioned, you know, revisiting the Revolutionary War, that this was something that was on your mind.

• 6:32Speaker 04

  This book is a trilogy, and three books on the American Revolution that I wrote, on elite units and special operations units. I'm considered by many, you know, the or the, an A authority on American Special Operations Forces from the American Revolution through the Battle of Fallujah, and especially with World War II and the OSS. I'm a director at the OSS Society, as well as the historian there. But the American Revolution is really my, one of my favorite areas. And my first book was called Washington's Immortals. And this is on the elite Maryland Regiment that, you know, you're in New York City or in Brooklyn.

• 7:16Speaker 04

  This is, this is about the men that have the American Thermopylae that saved the country in the Battle of Brooklyn, where they launch a series of bayonet charges. But that's only the beginning. This is eight years of war, where this elite unit will be the backbone of General Greene's Army in the South, at Cowpens and Guilford Courthouse and others. It's an amazing book of eight years of war. They are the bayonets of the revolution. That was followed by my book called The Indispensables, which I have here. And that is on John Glover's Marblehead Mariners. These are the guys that, that bring the Army across the river, the East River, after the Battle of Brooklyn. The American Dunkirk where the fog sets in.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  This is one of the greatest stories in American history. They do it, you know, against all odds with only a couple hours, and they somehow bring 9,000 troops and the wounded, as well as their equipment across the East River safely as the fog sets in and saves the Army. This is a point in time where all could have been lost. And these two books intersect with Revolutionary Snipers. And I kept running into these guys in the first two books, because the riflemen are just in the inflection points of the Revolutionary War. And in so many areas, they are, they play a decisive role, and in many cases, a very

• 8:40Speaker 04

  much underreported role on doctrine and tactics that they perfect. And they are utilizing a really groundbreaking piece of technology for the time, the Pennsylvania long rifle, the Widowmaker, which is a, you know, they were front, rifles had been around since the 1600s in Europe, but it was in America, and specifically, beginning in around 1709, near Lancaster, where gunsmiths from Germany and Switzerland would take what they learned from Europe and perfect it and improve it greatly.

• 9:25Speaker 04

  So the barrels were longer, and the weapons were lighter, and they could shoot further. The ball was much more, it was much smaller. I mean, the original balls for many of the rifles in Europe were 70, 80 caliber. These are coming down considerably to 30s and 40s and 50s. And these weapons are incredibly accurate in the hands of these men. They can shoot 300 or 400 yards, whereas a typical musket, which most of the members of Continental Army, as well as the British Army, was, it was barely even accurate at 50 yards. It was, you know, incredibly inaccurate weapon.

• 10:06Speaker 04

  They were, they had the advantage of being faster loaded and the ability to also handle a bayonet. The rifle, on the other hand, was much slower, and its stock was fragile. It could not generally handle a bayonet. Plus, the men of the frontier brought their own weapons to bear at the beginning and through the war, and they were various calibers. So a standard bayonet would not generally fit them.

• 10:35Jack Murphy?

  You have some pretty incredible stories in the book about, you know, where the guys are lined up with muskets, shooting at like, you know, four or five dudes on line, marching right towards them, and from a range of, you know, like, yeah, 50 yards, everybody misses.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  This is, this goes on all the time. And it's, it's these men, the rifle men that really change and alter things. But this is not some sort of linear uphill, like success story. It's, it's a story that's very checkered with mutinies and, and wild stuff. Cause these are hard drinking men that are in most cases uncontrollable. They do their own thing, but they are exceptional fighters. And the, the 10 companies morph into about 13 total. And they make what's known as the beeline march from Virginia, Pennsylvania, Maryland, all the way to Cambridge.

• 11:37Speaker 04

  Because in seven, the summer of 1775, Washington is trying to weld together the citizen soldiers from disparate, you know, New England colonies to somehow face off against the elite British army, which are bottled up in, at this point in Boston itself. And, you know, Washington puts these men to work immediately because he discovers a massive problem. There is no gunpowder for the Continental Army. It's, um, you know, to his horror, most men have maybe six shots in their cartridge boxes. The British make a concerted effort to come out of their entrenchments.

• 12:20Speaker 04

  Um, and then maybe, um, you know, utilize their, their vast naval resources to envelop parts of the Continental Army. They could have done that had they known how bad the powder shortage was, but it's, it's Washington that puts these men right into the line to mask that critical shortage. And these men immediately alter the, um, the tactics in the sense that the British have to keep their heads down now. They're not able to poke them up and they're not only keeping heads down, they're taking them off from a great range with the, the widow makers that they wield. And this has a tremendous effect, but the, the soldiers of these revolutionary snipers,

• 13:05Speaker 04

  they have a different, they are elite because in the sense that they, they possess skills that no other members of the Continental Army have. They, they're expert riflemen, uh, and expert woodmen and et cetera. They're exempt from typical camp duties, such as digging ditches or latrines and things like that. And what happens is they take advantage of that special privilege. And one of the members gets drunk and basically one of the companies, the Pennsylvania companies, you know, gets up, they march on the Stargate and they break this guy out and they mutiny. And, you know, Washington is a man of great discipline.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  Uh, you know, he's a Hannibal like leader. He immediately crushes it with the, the other riflemen that don't, that don't participate in this mutiny. And they're given a court martial and, you know, fairly lenient, uh, treatment, but they're given a ticket on really one of America's first, first, uh, what amounts to almost like a death march. They have to Benedict Arnold, who at this time is really one of the great, great continental officers, he's a brilliant strategist, incredible leader, guy that's out front. Comes up with the idea that Canada should be attacked, not only, uh, frontally towards

• 14:34Speaker 04

  Montreal, but also through the main wilderness where they'll, they'll go after Quebec. And these men, two companies of Pennsylvanians, along with Daniel Morgan's Virginians, will make this epic trek. They're the scouts that then they're in the lead through the main wilderness. And it's, it's an unbelievable story.

• 14:52Jack Murphy?

  This is when they're, uh, going to Quebec, right?

• 14:56Speaker 04

  Correct. And it's months within the woods of Quebec.

• 15:00Jack Murphy?

  Benedict Arnold thought it was going to be like a hundred miles because of a problem with the maps and it turned out to be like 350 or something.

• 15:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. And it's 350 through the most rugged terrain. And oh, by the way, um, you know, provisions go bye bye. The, um, the men are reduced to starvation. They're, they're boiling their belts, their shot pouches to eat whatever they can. It's, it's, they're utterly starving. I've got a great piece on Fox that's coming out on Veterans Day on this incredible death march that, um, is unbelievable. And then within this story, there are not only amazing, uh, men that are riflemen, but there's, there are camp followers.

• 15:48Speaker 04

  There are some of the women that are, that are married to these men will follow their men into battle. And I, I focus on, on several of those individuals in this book and their amazing stories.

• 15:59Jack Murphy?

  There, there was the one story.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  That are told for the first time.

• 16:02Jack Murphy?

  The, uh, the wife who her husband basically just laid down and died and she picks up this rifle and keeps going.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  She's, I, that's another article I'm going to write. It's kind of our first sniper in a sense, because picture this. She tries to coax him to move for five hours and the snow is falling and he's like resting against a, a tree stump and he won't move. And the army, they don't wait for, for them. They move on and she takes his rifle after hours of coaxing him and she is on her own for weeks in the, in the wilderness and somehow survives and makes it to, to Quebec. And, and that's just the beginning of really her amazing story.

• 16:51Jack Murphy?

  The other part of that trek that, uh, was really horrifying is, do you want to talk about the flood and the money that gets lost?

• 17:00Speaker 04

  I love, that's one of my favorite stories, actually. Great that you brought that up. It's, um, they, they have to, to, to make this trek, it's not only on foot, but they utilize the rivers that are there, the Kennebuck and the Dead River. And they are, to do this, they, they craft rafts. And this is where really the, the civil war aspects of the American revolution comes to bear because, you know, we, we think of the revolution as this situation where everybody's on board with the, the cause and the founders. That's not the case at all. In fact, it's a very divided country at this point.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  It's not even a country, but it's, it's very much divided and there are loyalists that are, um, actively fighting against, um, patriot forces or sabotaging things. And then here they, they build the rafts for these guys and they make out of green wood and they specifically make the lashings and some of the, the nails kind of, they, these little, these things literally fall apart because they warp within the water and then they have all kinds of trouble with that. It's, it's whitewater. They're going down rapids and stuff like that. And one of my favorite stories is a footnote. It's in the book, the, the money chest for the entire expedition, um, you know, is in

• 18:24Speaker 04

  this whitewater and they're going through a series of rapids, you know? The, the raft breaks apart and the chest goes into a whirlpool. And there's a couple of guides that are from the area and they, you know, they mark that in their minds. And, uh, you know, these guys don't make the full trip on the expedition. And then suddenly, you know, a couple of years later, there's all these people that are wealthy, or the people that were wealthy, the guides that found that chest and, uh, you know, recovered it from the whirlpool. Um, but yeah, there's, you're going through this, this morass of swamp. They have to do, they have to carry the rafts over waterfalls and everything else.

• 19:08Speaker 04

  And then there's, there's massive rainstorms, flooding. I mean, it's, it's just absolutely miserable. And that's, uh, an example really of, of pushing human endurance to the very limit. And especially if you incorporate the starvation. And, um, you know, many men die along the way. And then one of my, one of the scenes is they, they, they make it out of this, many of the men. And, uh, Arnold is able to bring a herd of cattle to these men. And they start to slaughter the cattle, um, you know, as they're even alive. And the men are just so ravenous, they're eating the raw meat.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  Some of it is uncooked, you know, some men are wisely waiting for it to get cooked. And, uh, you know, it's kind of like a, in many cases, some of the concentration camp victims in World War II that had, had not eaten for, for weeks. Some of the men literally die from the intake of the food or, or poisoned by the raw meat. It's, it's a, it's a terrible tragic thing.

• 20:16Jack Murphy?

  And what happened when they got to Quebec?

• 20:21Speaker 04

  At Quebec, their, um, their forces unite with General Montgomery, who had recently taken Montreal. And the men, um, lay siege or invest Quebec City, which is a fortress town. And the, the British don't have many men. They have, uh, sailors that they pulled off of ships and other, and other groups. And, um, the governor of the area, his name is Guy Carlton, is absolutely determined to hold the, the fortress Quebec. And the first thing that they do is, um, they take what little artillery that they have and they, they, they put it around Quebec and they start to bombard it, both sides bombard it.

• 21:07Speaker 04

  And Arnold and Montgomery decide to give Carlton an opportunity to surrender. They send out a party under a white flag and those men are immediately shot at with cannonballs and they barely survive. They wait about a day and then they, they send in, this is really remarkable. They send in Jemima Warner, the woman that somehow, you know, braved the main wilderness by herself with her husband, her husband's rifle. She bravely goes forward with the white flag, delivers the, the surrender document to Carlton, who burns it in front of her eyes and then allows her mercifully to, to leave.

• 21:51Speaker 04

  Doesn't fire upon her, even though, I mean, there's, there's still that, there's still that possibility. So brave she is. And then they get into a protracted artillery duel. And the Americans, um, it, it's really wild. They, one of the things that they tried to do was utilize ice to somehow, they thought that they could protect themselves behind frozen structures. And, you know, that doesn't, doesn't go well, especially after cannonball goes through it. And, you know, tragically, Jemima Warner is struck by one of those cannonballs and, and killed, making her one of the first American female combatants to die in combat.

• 22:37Jack Murphy?

  So I, as far as like the strategic relevancy of this battle, uh, is Quebec important because of the river that it's on? Is that, is that what's happening?

• 22:47Speaker 04

  It's huge. If they take Quebec, they take the entire 14th colony, which people don't think about. But Canada is the 14th colony and it would be, they would take all of Canada if they take Quebec. And Montgomery realizes that he ideally needs artillery to do it. So they decide on a, um, a daring, uh, New Year's day, or it's in actually Eve, um, assault on the town from two sides. And it's 1776 and it's a raging snowstorm.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  He assembles the men and, uh, one group is under Benedict Arnold and Morgan. And the other is under, under Montgomery and they attack the, the town from both sides. They have scaling ladders that they've built. They even bring along several artillery pieces that they have on sleds. And it's, it's an incredible story. Uh, the, on, on Arnold and Morgan's side, they pierce through the defenses. They scale the walls, they go through barricades. I mean, there's an amazing story of, of Daniel Morgan, who's, I, he's just an epic, epic hero. I mean, Morgan, let me just sort of backtrack.

• 24:10Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  Morgan's story begins, you know, he's 15 years old. He runs away from home in New Jersey and goes into the wilderness, eventually settles in Manchester. And he joins the provincial forces that fight, you know, for the crown in the French and Indian War. First as a teamster, but Daniel Morgan's a hard drinking guy. He's a fighter, he's constantly getting in fistfights. He doesn't take shit from anybody and a British officer insulted him and he laid, laid him out, he decked him. And for that, they came down extremely hard on him and his punishment was 500 lashes.

• 24:54Speaker 04

  I mean, this is a death penalty for just about anyone to have a bull whip that, that will destroy your back. It exposed the bones and everything else. And this guy just took it and, um, he likes, he would love to, he'd love to say that I, that they, um, they owed him one lash. They gave him, you know, 499 instead of 500. And, and before battles, he would, he would gather his men, uh, typically by the campfire. And then he would pull off his shirt and say, this is what we're fighting against, uh, to motivate his men.

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  And that day, they went through the snowstorm. He scales many of the barricades. I mean, there's a great scene where they have a series of wooden barricades kind of within the partial walls of Quebec. It's not completely surrounded by stone walls, so they had to erect a series of wooden barricades. And he scales it, gets on top, and there's a scene where he rolls down, and he rolls down near a cannon, and somebody's actually literally taking their bayonet, trying to stab him. He kind of spins around and then kills this guy at point-blank range.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  They nearly overwhelm that portion of the defenses. And meanwhile, Montgomery, who's an Irishman from New York, an incredibly brave battlefield commander, is leading the other force. And on that side of the city, they're making great headway. And the defenders of one of the barricades on his side, they literally are fleeing because they see this American force. And one soldier, who's a sailor, literally is drunk, and he's like, "All right, I'm taking one last shot with the cannon."

• 34:00Speaker 04

  And he puts the touch hole, the lighted torch on the touch hole, and the cannon goes off, and it hits Montgomery squarely in the chest with a grape shot, and it kills him. And it's there that he's with Aaron Burr and others, and they immediately flee. They don't even take his body. And they're supposed to link up with Morgan, and they should have, they could have, had they advanced. Instead, they just fled. And he dies, he's mortally wounded. He's killed instantly, and he, blood in the snow. And basically, what happens

• 34:43Speaker 04

  is the defenders are able to overwhelm the riflemen that are under Morgan and the Pennsylvanians.

• 34:52Jack Murphy?

  Wow. And what was kind of the next battle? Because another early success was Ticonderoga, right?

• 35:03Speaker 04

  This is, that actually happens prior to that.

• 35:05Jack Murphy?

  Oh, okay.

• 35:06Speaker 04

  Ethan Allen is, Ethan Allen and Arnold are involved in that expedition. It's Arnold that comes up with the idea to raid Ticonderoga because it contains scores of cannon as well as a lot of gunpowder. And he knows that it's weakly defended. So they mount an expedition into the, you know, into New York wilderness, and they seize the fort. It's an incredible story. But it just, it's kind of, it shows that Arnold is this, really this tactical genius, strategic genius, and also just a man of action.

• 35:51Speaker 04

  What happens next with these men is they are imprisoned, and they have to endure six months or more of captivity in a dank prison cell that's damp, and it destroys the bodies of these incredible athletes. They are subjected to disease, the dampness. It just creates a very debilitating situation, and Morgan is hampered for life for it. Eventually, they are paroled, and they are given their freedom with the stipulation

• 36:34Speaker 04

  that they can't fight for at least a year and that they have to have a like-ranked British officer or enlisted man be traded to the British side for their ability to go back into the fight. And Morgan has no idea if that's even possible. You know, many of these men, these snipers, are just incredible individuals. I mean, one of my main characters, his name is Boyd. He's nearly seven feet tall. He's just a mountain of a man. His nickname is the Grizzly. You know, he's diminished from this treatment. And the men are eventually paroled

• 37:18Speaker 04

  and given passage on a ship, a British transport ship, to New York City. And you know, one of the great parts of this book is the ability to give the reader different perspectives. And they witness the Battle of Brooklyn on board British ships as the British troops attack. They see our troops. They witness the burning of New York City on board ships. And then eventually, they're given their freedom after the burning in New York. And really, one of my favorite scenes in this entire book is these men, who are kind of like concentration camp victims,

• 38:02Speaker 04

  that are amassiated and starving. And they don't know when they're going to be freed. But one night, around September 19th or 20th, 1776, they're put in longboats, and they row, you know, British sailors row them towards the coast of New Jersey. And these men are set free. And it's this like exuberation of just pure ecstasy. They're just cheering and running up and down, and they're screaming. And people think that they're drunk, but they're just so happy to be free. And you know, the town in New Jersey sees these men, and they're just human skeletons.

• 38:47Speaker 04

  There's a scarecrow's. And you know, and then reality sets in. There's no one there to give them passage to Pennsylvania or Maryland or wherever they're from. And they have to walk hundreds of miles without any food or money. And that's the American Revolution.

• 39:11Jack Murphy?

  Unreal.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  It is unreal. What these men and women went through without pay in most cases, up against the greatest army or the armed forces in the world, pioneering their own technology and doctrine. It's incredible.

• 39:28Jack Murphy?

  I think that's something that comes through in your book, that, you know, the determination. And sometimes, we don't take it seriously enough or put enough emphasis on how tough these guys were and how determined they were and how committed they were to the cause of liberty. I mean, it's not just a catchphrase. It certainly wasn't.

• 39:48Speaker 04

  No.

• 39:49Jack Murphy?

  Because they had these, they could have defected any time they wanted and joined the British. You had Americans who were being held on prison ships off the coast in deplorable conditions. All they had to do was throw in the towel and quit.

• 40:05Speaker 04

  In some cases, they did, but in most and many, especially with the men in my book, they did not. And it's that core that will form the backbone of the cause that will prevail against all odds. I mean, and somehow defeat an empire that destroys every insurgency that it ever came across.

• 40:31Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Um, I want to talk about the battle for New York, but before that, speaking to the sort of ruthlessness of the British, another topic that I wanted to kind of focus on for a moment is, and again, a lot of people maybe don't realize this, there weren't so many British soldiers fighting. It was more Hessian mercenaries.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  It's a, you know, I mean, there are so many parallels in, into modern war in this book. I mean, clear, build and hold, right? There was always a scarcity of British troops. They never had enough guys to actually do the holding in many cases. And they were foolish in the sense that they never harnessed or never really properly harnessed until mid and later in the war, the vast loyalist population that could have very effectively been util. I mean, they utilized them, but not in the extent that they should have. They never totally

• 41:36Speaker 04

  incorporated in the British ranks. But this is a critical shortage. They have a problem with, with men. So what they do is they outsource that shortage to Hessel and Castle where the provinces in German, where the princes and kings there rent out their troops. And these are skilled allies of the British Army and the Crown. These are men that had been in battle. They know what they're doing. They're extremely disciplined and they arrive in, in

• 42:13Speaker 04

  the summer of 1776, where the greatest armada comes to the American shores, comes off of first Stanton Island, where hundreds of ships from the Royal Navy and transports will coalesce to basically deliver a crushing blow to the nascent rebellion. And tens of thousands of Hessians will be ultimately part of the war effort. And, you know, here at the first phase, it's, it's about 10 or 12,000 that will show up for the, the Battle of Brooklyn, where these men will, will play a pivotal role.

• 42:56Jack Murphy?

  I think you wrote in the book that, well, first that Hess is a martial state. They're sort of a mercenary state, but was there, there's something in there about like by age seven, the kids are either earmarked for labor or the military. And then by the time they're 15, they're in the military itself.

• 43:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, and, and one of the great adversaries in this book is the Hessian lion. And that is Colonel Johann Rawl, who is one of the toughest of the tough, one of the best battlefield commanders that the Hessians have. He leads the attack at, at White Plains and leads the breakthrough later at Fort Washington. And he is the garrison commander at Trenton that these men will encounter. But at a very early age, he's with his father as a drummer boy, and he grows up in the military, like many of these men. And they're just, they're incredibly good soldiers. Very tough.

• 44:01Jack Murphy?

  They also had, they had some sort of ethno-nationalism going on too. It seemed like that they were treating the colonists like they were subhuman filth a lot of times.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I think that this is another example of a greatness of the American Revolution. And, and this is the spirit of humanity that John Adams talks about and that George Washington will employ. You know, we, we not only talk about, you know, in the halls of Congress during the, during the American Revolution, you know, treating prisoners properly and, you know, sort of the spirit of liberty transcends the halls of Congress and it also goes into the battlefield and how we treat people. And we treat the Hessians brutally massacre our guys. I mean, there's, there's situations which we'll get into at the Battle of Brooklyn,

• 45:00Speaker 04

  where they literally, they will take a series of Hessian soldiers that have bayonets, fixed bayonets that are in a circle or ring, and they will just come around the riflemen and just, just bayonet them to death in the center. Whereas our men offered them, you know, quarter and, and, and we're acted as kind as we could, gave them provisions. And then, you know, remarkably, another untold story of the, in the American Revolution is how some of these individuals, Hessian soldiers and British soldiers, especially later on in the war, during the Southern Campaign, General Green's army, many members of the British Army were

• 45:43Speaker 04

  part of Green's army as they defected. And they were, you know, loyal Americans later on. Incredible stuff.

• 45:50Jack Murphy?

  What, what was the story about the American soldier that the Hessians had basically committed war crimes on, and his body was brought to Washington and Washington had the body sent to the Hessian, the Hessian Colonel or the British officer say like, these, these atrocities, these war atrocities are unacceptable?

• 46:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a, that's a, I mean, this is an awesome story. Thank you for bringing it up. It's part of what I, what's known as the forage war. And the snipers will play a huge role, which we can get into, where they fight irregularly to ambush British forage convoys that come out and then steal a forage because an 18th century army has to have forage or hay and, and straw to move its cannon in wagons. If they don't have that, they're not able, they're paralyzed. Washington saw that, went after it, seized it, utilized

• 46:47Speaker 04

  these men in small groups. They fought irregularly. But in the course of these actions, the Hessians massacred one of these guys. I mean, it was, it was obvious that he was surrendering. And, you know, they come up upon his body, which is like littered with bayonets and bullets. And they, they, they know from some of the other soldiers that were around him that he tried to surrender. So Washington sends his body, you know, in a, in a casket, a black box, by wagon with a couple escorts and a note and says, you know, this is unacceptable.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  And you, you know, we're not going to stand for it. And, you know, if you continue, we'll, we'll, we'll, you know, subject your men to it. And the, and the, the British troops then, or the British officers then put an end to some of this, some of these atrocities.

• 47:46Jack Murphy?

  All right. Do you want to talk a little bit about, more about the snipers during the for, uh, the?

• 47:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure. I just, this is one of my favorite.

• 47:54Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  This is a really untold aspect of the American Revolution that I get into in Revolutionary Snipers. It's the period of time after the Battle of, of Trenton, and the Second Battle of Trenton, which took place a week later, in the Battle of Princeton, these three battles, which would encompass 10 crucial days, would change world history. A, a British garrison or under the Hessian garrison under Johann Rawl is captured almost in its entirety, you know, after the Christmas crossing of the Delaware. These men play a huge role because

• 48:37Speaker 04

  it's a, it's a sniper's bullet that will kill Johann Rawl, more really wound him. And, you know, in the process of, of this battle, Johann Rawl's lack, the lack of leadership really plays a decisive role. He goes down, it demoralizes everybody that's in the Hessian ranks. And a key bridge at Ashtapick is seized by John Glover and his men who actually rode the army across. And you have a, a double envelopment, which is a rare thing in the Revolutionary War, because in the 18th century, most armies would, would battle and then one army would retreat after it had enough. In this case, they capture almost all of Rawl's

• 49:20Speaker 04

  garrison. They capture its cannon and most of its men. And it's a decisive victory. And it's exactly what was needed at the time because Washington's army was completely melting away. The army of 20,000 was now down to three to four, 4,000. The enlistments then were even expiring more. And this has an uplifting effect on the entire colonies. And it also, it has a, it goes around the world because they just defeated, you know, an impressive elite force. And what most people fail to, to realize is that a week later, Warren Wallace

• 50:03Speaker 04

  then takes his best troops, the light infantry, the Grenadiers and everybody, the Highlanders and everybody else, and they come out to, to take out Washington with their best troops. And they're, they're marching out of Brunswick in the encampments that are in New Jersey, where the, the British Army is garrisoned. They, they've taken the entirety of New Jersey at this point. And they are marching to Trenton. And Washington wisely decides not to stay in Trenton town itself, but move across the Ashtapick creek and position his forces on the other side. But it's the snipers that will play one of the great roles in the war

• 50:45Speaker 04

  that is largely unknown. They are a deflating force. It's a, it's a defense in depth to some degree, where they are out in front, across a series of waterways behind them.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  And they are slowing the advancing Cornwallis's advancing massive army. And they are burning and chewing up daylight. That's their entire goal. And they're picking off officers, they're wounding men, which causes the British to, you know, pick those guys up and delay them, delays the advance. And it's, it's now, um, you know, many, many hours during the day that these men will, um, will delay the British and the Crown forces. They have, uh, they're initially, these riflemen are under the command of a Frenchman who, um, they say is drunk during the, the, the battle. And he splits, he literally goes off on horseback.

• 51:44Speaker 04

  And it's Edward Hand, who's the Colonel of the, uh, First Pennsylvania Rifles that will take command of the force and they hold as long as they can. And the, the delaying action is extremely effective. It's one of their most important roles during the American Revolution. And it's about 4:00 PM that they are at the, the bridge at Assam Peak Creek. And this is an epic, this is epic fucking story that deserves to be in Hollywood. They have to hold the bridge at all costs because if they don't hold the bridge, the British and their best troops, the, the Highlanders and light infantry will cut the army in half. And that they make four assaults, Washington is near the bridge,

• 52:28Speaker 04

  uh, leading his men, doesn't get hit, you know, even the pale bolts. It's the snipers and riflemen that are up on the high ground, picking off, um, British officers and Hessians that are attacking in the light infantry. And they miraculously hold the bridge at all costs. And it's that night that Washington has a decision to make. Does he stand and hold? Um, or does he retreat across the Delaware back to Pennsylvania? Or does he support the uprising further that's going on in New Jersey in attack? And he decides to go up a backcountry road and attack at Princeton. And, you know, that is just epic stuff.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Um, the battle doesn't, it's a, it's a meeting engagement because the Princeton force is moving towards Trenton to reinforce Cornwallis. And on that road, the two forces clash and meet. Initially, the Americans start to withdraw. And it's Washington himself that goes into the fray and leads his men on horseback. Hundreds of bullets are around him, you know, his, his clothes are pierced by bullets, but he's not hit once and he leads his men to victory. And it's here that, you know, Washington has a critical decision to make. Does he go after the money chest at Brunswick where the British have this massive payroll

• 53:56Speaker 04

  of about 30,000 pounds, which is, you know, millions of dollars in today's, you know, money. It's the entire, it's a payroll for much of the British Army. But he wisely decides, because his men had been fighting for 48 hours, to retreat to Morristown in the high ground there. And this sets up what's known as the forage war. It's this gap between what happened at Princeton in 1777 and the summer of 1777. It's the forgotten history of the American Revolution in many ways. And it's here that the, um, you know, Washington has to deal with what's very familiar to him. The army is melting away instead of gaining strength even after these great victories.

• 54:40Speaker 04

  They are getting some reinforcements, but the army, the British army is still massed. It's large, it's in outpost. And Washington has to decide what to do. And it's, it's prudence that is, is key here. He doesn't, you know, attack. He is very cautious and he identifies a weak point, which is the forage. If they take out the forage, the British Army can't move. So he goes after grist mills and, you know, any, any kind of, any kind of mills that are, that have flour or forage. They seize the supplies or they burn it. And they deny the British of having that critical, the petrol

• 55:25Speaker 04

  of the 18th century, which allows their, their troops to move around by wagon, the cannons, et cetera. They're not able to do that. It keeps them kind of bottled up. And then they start to pick off the British patrols as they come out to get regular supplies and this food, anything that, that they can to feed the army. Cause it's a supply chain that's, you know, 3,000 miles from London that's supplying these guys. So they're trying to rely upon the local population to feed themselves. And they had to send out parties for forage. It's here that these riflemen have a field day. They're in small groups, they ambush the British, um, and, you know, fight very much irregularly.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  And they attrit the British forces and they are very effective at doing that.

• 56:15Jack Murphy?

  If I recall correctly, this was largely taking place during the winter, right? That's why it's a forage war. You're, you're trying to.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  Correct. It, it spans the winter of, of 1777 and then it goes into the beginning of spring. Um, and, and, and that's where these, a series of these really small battles take place. And it's here, um, in the spring that it's Washington himself that realizes that these riflemen are extremely effective and they're a very potent force. And it's his idea to form a rifle corps. And this is a, this is kind of the, the greatest of the great. Um, the book focuses on these men, um, who are the best shooters.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  And they take from the regiments that are there, anyone that is really, that they consider the best. And they move them into specific rifle companies within Daniel Morgan's rifle corps. And, um, this is Morgan's corps, which will, it's, it's an epic story.

• 57:27Jack Murphy?

  Uh, what, one thing that I wanted to tease out, make sure that we talk about, um, because it is like a very much something you can point to as a legit sniper shot. Where did it take place? I believe it was Timothy Murphy shot, uh, General Fraser.

• 57:45Speaker 04

  It, it's, um, the, it's suspected that, that Timothy Murphy is the person that, that makes the shot. Um, it's not proven. Uh, and what I mean by that is there's a lot of evidence that he made it. And he was certainly more than capable of making it. And after the forage war, after the Battle of Short Hills in the summer of 1777, it's, it's General Gates who's in, in and around, uh, Saratoga, outside of Albany. And they have to intercept this massive British force that's coming down from Canada

• 58:27Speaker 04

  under gentleman Johnny Burgoyne, who it's filled with Hessians, Native American allies. And Washington detaches his best troops to fight with, with Gates. And he sends Morgan in the rifle corps north. And their first job is to, to gather intelligence to try to figure out what the, what the British are going to do. Are they going to reinforce Burgoyne? Is, um, is Lord Howe going to go up, up north towards Canada, which would have been the smart move? Or is he going to go down towards Philadelphia? And Morgan's first job is to actually, they do a lot of scouting and intelligence work. And they're trying to gather intel on what, you know, what Howe's up to.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  And they do that for several weeks and then they move towards the north after they realize that Burgoyne is going to be alone. And they make their way up to, towards Saratoga and Albany. And it's a long march and, um, it's September 1777. And this will be the most, some of the most decisive and crucial, um, times during the entire American Revolution. And rifles and, and Morgan's corps will play the key and decisive role. It's, it's worth noting that the rifle is not a, uh,

• 59:54Speaker 04

  It's not understood how to properly deploy it within the army. And I get into this quite a bit. It's about doctrine in many ways. And this is where it's important and, you know, lessons learned. It's what's old is new. You can use the analogy of a drone in many ways. Technology and how that's, how that's, how that's being properly deployed in, in, in the, the things that are, that are taking place in today. At that time, they didn't know how to potentially defend the riflemen against a bayonet charge from the British because the rifle, it took about, it was two to three times slower than

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  a musket, which could be loaded very quickly and, and, and fired quickly. So these men were vulnerable as they were, as they were, you know, loading their, their weapons. That's why they typically worked in teams. But one of the things that, that Washington did to try to solve this problem, it's kind of ridiculous, we talk about it now, is he gave Morgan spears to somehow deal with a potential British bayonet charge. That wasn't going to cut it. Nobody wanted to lug around to heavy spear along with your rifle, a tomahawk, your shot pouch, your powder horn, you know, your blanket and everything else.

• 1:01:21Speaker 04

  So those were quickly discarded. And it's on the, the way to Albany that it's probably Morgan and maybe when they get there, Gates himself, that comes up with the idea of pairing musket men with the riflemen, a combined arms. And this is an incredibly important thing that we now know today, that we utilize. But they, this is novel and pretty groundbreaking at the time. They, they combined these two units. They had a battalion under Henry Dearborn, who was one of the men that, that Daniel Morgan had been in Quebec with and, and survived that long imprisonment.

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  And he has his battalion of musket men. And the two forces are supposed to work in conjunction. And the first battle, the, it's, if you go, I, I really strongly encourage anyone that's listening to this show to visit the Battle of Saratoga. It's on the same level as Gettysburg in terms of its beauty and its importance. And it's, it's an absolutely breathtaking and gorgeous place to visit, especially during the September and October time period when the, the trees are changing. It's gorgeous. There's ravines.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  It's, the, the ground is incredible. And it's here that the two armies sort of face off and there's a no man's land with lots of ravines and rugged terrain. And it's here that the, the riflemen go wild and they owned the no man's land and they kill all of the Native Americans that, that were sent out as scouts by the British Army. They are incredibly effective, just taking everybody out and they annihilate the, the British eyes and ears effectively. They take prisoners, they raid the British. And this is all being set up for a battle, a clash in the middle of September, which

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  will be known as Freeman's Farm, where the British come out of their encampment and they start to advance towards Albany. And it's here that the, Morgan and his men first set off, they move in front. Dearborn lags behind. It's not known why, but the two forces are separated. So they're, you know, they're designed to, to actually work together, but they don't that day. And Morgan's men are in trees. They, they're, they're pretty effective. There's one group, one company that actually does go out and, and, and in front. And, and several of these men are captured, including the company commander. But they're, they're incredibly effective.

• 1:04:16Speaker 04

  They're killing British officers. Dearborn's men are very effective that day as well as the other Americans. And it's, it's a situation where the, the Americans retreat, but the British are also denied the ability to really advance. And it's, it's, it sets up this sort of stalemate that takes place over the next several weeks. And it, it, it sets up the next battle, which is the Battle of Bemis Heights where it's the riflemen and Benedict Arnold will, once again, and Daniel Morgan will, will really play an absolutely crucial role.

• 1:05:00Speaker 04

  They go out into the, into the ravines. They are able to intercept the British. Timothy Murphy is, the men are treed in many cases where they climb trees, they gain the high ground and they are picking off the men with epaulets and swords. And these are British officers. And one of the men that goes down is General Fraser. This has a, you know, the other officers as well, completely, it demoralizes the British Army. It has a profound impact on, on, on their morale.

• 1:05:42Speaker 04

  And it's, it's Arnold that organizes, well, first the, it's, it's Daniel Morgan that's able to face a flanking force and annihilate it in conjunction with Frazier. And then they go after a series of redoubts that the British had built during, after the Battle of Freeman's Farm. And it's these men, the riflemen, that will lead the assault and take the redoubts along with Benedict Arnold, who's very severely wounded during the battle. But it will, it will, it's a catastrophic situation where they lose an entire part of their flank and the British have to retreat.

• 1:06:25Speaker 04

  And it's a, it's a sweeping victory for the Americans. And then there are several more days that take place and weeks. And ultimately, it's these revolutionary snipers, which the British would say it was the, it was what the army feared the most, the corps that the army feared the most, these men, because they were terrified of them. And for going through a series of mistakes, should have retreated, but they were so afraid to move through the wilderness and face these guys all the way, you know, they could have potentially moved towards Taikan Aruga, where there were several hundred British soldiers that were stationed there.

• 1:07:10Speaker 04

  But it was, it was these snipers that they were just absolutely terrified of going through the wilderness. And they surrender a massive British Army and Hessian Army of several thousand, the Crown troops. It's the first time really in, in history that that large of an army will surrender for the British. And it's, it, it has a, just a Titanic impact on the war. It, it, it will bring in the French to our aid with troops and money. It just, it has a seismic impact that's just overwhelming.

• 1:07:49Jack Murphy?

  Saratoga in 1777, is it accurate to say that was sort of the turning point in the war?

• 1:07:56Speaker 04

  That was, there were many, there are several turning points during the American Revolution. And this is one of the great, great turning points and inflection points. And it's, it's the revolutionary snipers that are, that are on that fault line and play just a huge role. And, and they will do, you know, this is an ebb and flow type of thing. It's eight years of war. And, you know, it's the same stuff that we hear today. It's all, it's a forever war. It's never, you can't win militarily. You know, it's 1770, 1780. And I mean, it was interesting, they had the, the Russians were involved then and saying, the czar was trying to negotiate a peace between France and Great Britain and the

• 1:08:40Speaker 04

  United States. And, you know, it's the forever war, it'll never be won militarily. All this stuff was being told everybody. And, you know, what happens is the British then swings south and they take Charleston, capture about 5,000 Americans. They, they annihilate General Gates's army at Camden. And it's, it's here that, you know, really one of the great things happened. Daniel Morgan was, was denied the ability to, to, to, they, they decided to create a light infantry force in 1779.

• 1:09:23Speaker 04

  And Morgan has denied a generalship and he has done so much. He wins at Saratoga. He wins many other battles and he's not given a generalship and he looks at that as a slap in the face and he resigns and it's given to Matt Anthony Wayne, who does not like the rifle. He likes muskets and in many ways, the rifle within the light infantry is phased out. And Morgan is in retirement in Winchester. Gates's army is annihilated. And it's General Washington that begs Morgan to come out of retirement and to somehow bring

• 1:10:08Speaker 04

  about the shattered remains of Green's army and try to rebuild it. And Gates's army, I should say, and he moves south with several of his men and many of these snipers come with him. So the old, the old crowd that had been with him in Quebec, go down and march down from Winchester towards North Carolina. And it's here that they rebuilt the Continental Army. And you know, these are some very dark days. They're absolutely convinced things could not

• 1:10:45Speaker 04

  be won militarily. And you know, it's October 1780 and the backwoods men that are armed with rifles at King's Mountain annihilate an entire loyalist force. And it's, it's, it's a domino effect that will have, you know, profound impact on the southern campaign. And Morgan is there. He wins at a place called Cowpens. It's the rifle that plays a huge role again. It's Morgan's defense in depth that he develops at the Battle of Cowpens with three lines of defense, riflemen out front, kill the men with the epaulets.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  They charge, they move forward. They think it's a repeat of the Battle of Camden. Tarleton and his men continue to charge. They hit the third line, which is Washington's Immortals, the Marylanders, under Johnny or Howard. His mansion is now a hotel in Mount Vernon, Baltimore. The Owl Bar is the, the area within, you know, where his, his home actually rested in 1785. But it's, it's Morgan that, that comes about and just has this decisive victory like at Trenton.

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  And they encircle Tarleton. Most of his force Tarleton escapes. But it sets up this just catastrophic series of events and an attrition war where Cornwallis tries to pursue Green through the back country of South and North Carolina, through rivers, and eventually he escapes to Virginia. It sets up the Battle of Guilford Courthouse where they employ Daniel Morgan's tactics and the riflemen and the snipers once again, which sets up the doomed campaign at Yorktown and the, the end of the war.

• 1:12:53Jack Murphy?

  Well, why don't you

• 1:12:54Speaker 04

  Which will take place two years later.

• 1:12:56Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Why don't, we've come this far. Why don't you tell us a little bit about, you know, the conclusion of the war, how that came about?

• 1:13:04Speaker 04

  Sure. I mean, it's, the war is really won in the South and it's, it's won by men like Daniel Morgan. It's, it's won by the riflemen. It's won by Washington's Immortals, the Marylanders, the corps that, you know, that don't go home. This resilient group. I mean, it's, it's just unbelievable stuff. I mean, with Washington's Immortals, we have one of the men who's part of the Delaware Blues. He records every day in his diary, how many miles they march.

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  And in two years, they marched 3,000 miles under attack by the British and also it doesn't even include the scouting missions that he went on. And I mean, this is unbelievable stuff. And it, and the description is incredible too. These men are, don't have tents. They, they sleep on the outdoors. They're poorly fed in most cases. They have no uniforms. Their uniforms are disintegrated. Portions of the British Army that had deserted are now within their ranks. And I mean, one of the most vivid scenes that I remember is one of the men describing how

• 1:14:27Speaker 04

  they had to take moss and put it under their, the belts for their cartridge boxes on their shoulders because it was rubbing their shoulders raw. And these men marched and fought for thousands of miles, you know, against the British, British forces there. And it's, you know, it's a true story of human endurance. It's just been absolutely incredible.

• 1:14:51Jack Murphy?

  And what was it that finally got the British to throw in the towel and end the war?

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, it's, it's ultimately the, the capture of the second major army that's at Yorktown with, with, in conjunction with our French allies, you know, which win for the first time in a long time, a naval engagement at the Capes where they, they deny a British fleet that's coming down from New York to reinforce Cornwallis. They win a great battle at the Capes. And then it's Rochambeau and his troops in Washington that marched from New York down towards, all the way down to Virginia. And they, they surround Cornwallis, who has orders to dig in at Yorktown

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  and eventually wait for either reinforcements or evacuation. And it's here that it's really the cul-de-sac, the doomed expedition for Cornwallis. And they, they invest his lines. They set up siege positions and they set up a series of trenches that advance every, every couple of days. They dig more trenches closer and closer. And eventually the Continental Army attacks a series of riddouts. And you know, Cornwallis tries

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  to escape. There's a, a position across the river from Yorktown that's being held by Bannister Tarleton. And they try to escape in small boats, but it's a stormy night. Many of the boats are swamped and capsized. And eventually they, they turn back and you know, Cornwallis then decides to, that there's no hope and they decide to surrender. They're out of ammunition for the most part. And they're out of really options and they surrender and it's an entire field army. But this is 1781 and the war does not end for two more years.

• 1:17:03Speaker 04

  So things, large battles don't really take place for the most part, but the war still lingers on for two more years. And eventually the British, you know, they will, they will sue for peace.

• 1:17:20Jack Murphy?

  Was that just the stubbornness of the Crown that they, they did not want to lose this colony? And they were not going to see the writing on the wall until we made it perfectly clear?

• 1:17:30Speaker 04

  Absolutely. It was, you know, just, you, you have to also realize that after Saratoga, this becomes a world war. And it's, it's a very important thing because you have Spain eventually enter on our side as well as France. But what happens is the British then have to deal with and hold their vast empire and they're, they're, they're attacked in, in, you know, in India, in the Caribbean, in various places, and they have to move troops around to deal with that,

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  which stretches them thin further and also is a, you know, a massive financial burden. Like all wars, but this is a, you know, I mean, wars are fought with money and this is a, you know, it's being, it's very, very costly for the Crown.

• 1:18:28Jack Murphy?

  In the aftermath of the war, I enjoyed some of the kind of commentary following these personalities to the best that we're able. Some of them went on to become heroes, some went on to become villains, and some of them sort of disappeared into the mists of history, it seems. I mean, we all know Washington became our first president. Could you tell us about some of the other characters in this book? You know, Morgan and some of the others and where they ended up?

• 1:18:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure. I mean, Daniel Morgan will, it's, it's the, it's the time in Quebec that just, it destroys the body. And it will destroy, it destroyed the teen, some of the teen soldiers that were on that Quebec mission. It was the, combined with that, that trip through the wilderness, too. And he is, he's not able to really recover from it. And after Cowpens, this, this massive and important victory at Cowpens, which is another great turning point in many ways, he decides that he has to, he just, his body can't take it

• 1:19:35Speaker 04

  anymore. And he retires to Winchester, even though he's, you know, Washington realizes this incredibly important guy that, that, you know, really could be utilized. But he loses him. You know, Timothy Murphy, the fascinating individual. After Saratoga, he continues to fight, and he fights up in, up in the New York area with, you know, dealing with, he decides to settle there. And, you know, some of my favorite stories are what

• 1:20:16Speaker 04

  happened after Saratoga. And with Murphy, it's, it's incredible. These, these great shooters, they kind of all like stick around and hang out. And they marry locals within the Shuari Valley, which is outside of Albany. And, you know, they're there, and it's 1780, it's, it's October, the, you know, the leaves are changing, and he decides to marry his sweetheart. And it's, you know, during the wedding, or shortly after it, that they get

• 1:20:54Speaker 04

  word that the, the British and their, their Indian allies, along with the Butler's Rangers. There's a lot of, within this book, it's a Band of Brothers story on these men. It's, it's character driven. It's all in their own words. And it's all nonfiction. It's not like, we don't make anything up. But it also covers the elite forces that these men have to deal with. And there's, there's an elite Hessian force under Johann Ewald that, that dogged these men constantly throughout the early part of the war. And then in 1780, against Murphy, there's another elite force called Butler's Rangers, which are made up

• 1:21:38Speaker 04

  of loyalists that are under the Crown's force. And there's a number of Native American allies that they have, that have harnessed. And they're coming towards Murphy with everything they got. And they're, they're trying to take what's known as the Middle Fort or Fort Defiance. And Murphy, Murphy leaves the wedding, gathers his men, and instead of just going to the fort immediately, they go out and they try to attack the Butler's Rangers and Johnson's men and the Indian allies. And they're, they're peppering these guys as they're making their way to the fort. And, you know, several of the accounts, which are period, have these

• 1:22:22Speaker 04

  guys, you know, their, their clothing, their, the hunting shirts that they're wearing is just filled with holes. And they make their way back to the fort. And they hole up in the fort. And they, they defend, you know, they, they know what will happen if they're captured. Because only a few days earlier, Grizzly Boyd, who's one of my main characters, this guy that's almost seven feet tall, this mountain of a man, is, is out on patrol with several of the other men. And they're, they run into a, a party of hostile Native Americans.

• 1:23:06Speaker 04

  And they get into a massive firefight. Several of the riflemen escaped, but Boyd is captured. And, you know, the, it's just absolutely terrible. I mean, they, they, they cut, they disembowel him, and they take his intestines and they wrap them around a tree. And then they behead him. And they use his head as a kickball. And Murphy got word of what happened. And he knew what would, what would befell him and his fellow riflemen, because they all had kind of a price on their head. He had killed so many, you know, loyalists and, and Native Americans and, you know, in the, in the, in the course of, of holding this territory in Western New York, that he knew that he was a dead man if, if they surrendered. And

• 1:23:51Speaker 04

  the British had sent a party under a white flag. And the fort's commander was very much sort of in favor of potentially accepting that surrender. And Murphy wasn't having it. And he fired a shot above the heads of the flag bearers. And the commander of the fort immediately came out, it's like, who fired that shot? And it was Murphy. And he, he readily admitted it. And, and at that point, he said to him, sooner than see that flag enter this fort, I will send a bullet through your heart. And he meant it. And that man just backed down right away. And the flag bearers then came again. Murphy fired, and

• 1:24:36Speaker 04

  they, they ultimately held the fort. But that's the kind of the grit and determination that these guys had.

• 1:24:42Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, something I had read previously about the Native Americans in, in the war, in this case, was even through their own history, when they were fighting each other, that they didn't do like the, like genocide, really, like, there wasn't a lot of like, burn the whole village to the ground. They didn't do that. Like, they would kill the warriors, and then the rest, rest of the people would be integrated into the tribe. But one thing that they did do that would be maybe horrifying for us, was they believed if you were taken prisoner, you were dishonored and disgraced, and you had to be executed.

• 1:25:20Speaker 04

  It, it all depends. I mean, what, what we see in, in the accounts of these men is that many of their homes were burned to the ground by Native Americans. And they're, I mean, they, they had their families killed.

• 1:25:34Jack Murphy?

  So, some of that was because of the atrocities at that point that were going between the two.

• 1:25:40Speaker 04

  It was a kill or be killed situation. It was a very, like, it was a very deadly ground to be on. But this isn't Dances with Wolves, you know, it's, it's, it's, this is hardcore shit. And, and these, these guys didn't play either side, really. It's a, if you were, Murphy and his men knew that they, if they were captured, they were dead. And they would be tortured to death, too.

• 1:26:07Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. And what happened to him after the war?

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  Well, what's interesting is that he joins the Continental Army once again. He was kind of in a militia force within and around this area, joins the Continental Army, and he is at, at Yorktown, which is, is really kind of an epic way to, to end the book in many ways, because you got a guy that just goes through.

• 1:26:28Jack Murphy?

  All of it.

• 1:26:29Speaker 04

  You know, he starts in 1775, as this young teen soldier, and he's through the whole war. And he's there. And, and that's what, I dedicated this book to the enlisted men. And it's, it's really about guys like Timothy Murphy, that don't get any credit. I mean, Murphy gets some credit, but a lot of the men in my book, nobody's ever heard of.

• 1:26:54Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:55Speaker 04

  And it's, it's that enlisted man that, that's the core, that, that will fight and, and will, will prevail. And it's forgotten. And then, you know, what happens is, that I find fascinating is, it's much like the, the men that are, that are given their freedom, they're, they're, you know, after the, the six or seven months, they're given their freedom, they, they come ashore, they're like drunken men, and they realize just how great it is to be an American. And then there's this sudden reality of, oh my God, I gotta walk 300 miles home with no money or food. And at the end of the American Revolution, there was no parade. And then, you know what? The creditor was waiting. If you didn't pay

• 1:27:39Speaker 04

  your bills, your farm was repossessed.

• 1:27:42Jack Murphy?

  How American.

• 1:27:43Speaker 04

  You had nothing. Yeah. And it's like, that's, that's the dark side of, of the American Revolution, that I think many people forget. And it's what makes them a great generation, though. I mean, it's through all of that, to do what they did, to, to defeat the greatest army and Navy at the time. And then to advance a series of freedom and liberty that will change the world and continue to change the world. It's, it's powerful.

• 1:28:17Jack Murphy?

  Another character I'd like to follow up on is Benedict Arnold. And I think it's very interesting, the way you describe, you've talked about him in the book, is he was a good soldier in so many ways.

• 1:28:32Speaker 04

  Oh, he was a great soldier. And, and he was a brilliant soldier. And he was a, a leader of men. He was not a, a chairborn commander. He was out front, dealt with the, the hardships of his men. And he's just like Nathan Bedford Forrest, in the sense that he's a, this natural born tactical, strategic genius, without any kind of military training whatsoever. This guy has it, though. And, you know, it's really at Saratoga where he shines and does amazing things. But he's not given credit. And it's, it, it, it doesn't

• 1:29:14Speaker 04

  sit well with him. It just, it, you know, he, he leads this, leads this attack, he gets shot in the leg, he's crippled for life. He's limping around, the leg should have actually been amputated, but he won't have it. And, you know, he's crippled and, from that, given no credit. And then he meets his wife, who's a beautiful loyalist. And, you know, he sort of gets into this scene in Philadelphia, where he's the, the military governor. And he's got to deal with her, and she likes the finer things in life.

• 1:29:52Jack Murphy?

  A bad woman.

• 1:29:53Speaker 04

  She's kind of running in the circles.

• 1:29:56Speaker 04

  Of these loyalists. And then, oh, by the way, he's getting dissed from Saratoga. They accuse him of profiteering, which some of it's true because he's got to deal with her. And, you know, all of these things compound. You know, it's about respect, right? And you've got this greatest commander in the military, in the American Army, that is now turns to the dark side. And he wants to help, he wants to sort of, you know, he's tired of the disrespect. He goes through a court martial. He's exonerated for the profiteering thing.

• 1:30:38Speaker 04

  And, you know, he's just had enough at this point of the accusations. But it's ultimately him that's a traitor. It's his, it's his, his free will, it's his agency that will propel him towards the wrong side of the war. And he is a really, truly a tremendous traitor in the sense that he is the garrison commander of West Point, which is the absolute, you know, crucial key to holding the Hudson River and then also, you know, keeping the British bottled up in New York City.

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  And he, through his contacts with his wife and others, hatches the plan that he will deliver the plans of the fort, as well as, you know, he deliberately tries to weaken West Point's defenses in exchange for a generalship within the Crown forces and then a pension of, initially tries to get, I think, 10,000 or 20,000 pounds or something like that, which is an enormous amount of money. And he does weaken the fort, delivers the plans, escapes. And, you know, luckily, Washington is able to thwart

• 1:32:03Speaker 04

  the weakening of West Point. And he escapes and then this guy is actively leading British troops on expeditions in the South. You know, going up, you know, into Alexandria, towards Richmond and expeditions in Virginia, raiding the coast. He is a true traitor and treasonous.

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• 1:34:26Speaker 04

  You know, person that is, then, then he, you know, basically does a lot of fighting for the British. And then, you know, he has a hard time after the war sort of acclimating. He fails at everything he does and sort of dies a forgotten death in London. And he's buried in a small area of London. And, you know, it's a, it's a really, it's a tragic story because this is the, really one of the great American generals, great strategists, great patriots that just becomes, you know, turns to the dark side.

• 1:35:06Jack Murphy?

  There's another guy who was, you know, a revolutionary war hero. And he started spying for Spain during the War of 1812.

• 1:35:16Speaker 04

  One of my favorite characters in this book is a rifleman. And I have a, it's, this guy's great. He's, he's sort of the ultimate opportunist. His name is James Wilkerson. And Wilkerson is, is a medical student, brilliant. And, you know, he comes on the scene as a rifleman within the Pennsylvania rifleman with Edward Hand and other, the other men that I follow. And, you know, he's there, he sees the first Continental soldier that is mortally wounded. Does, you know, great things.

• 1:35:59Speaker 04

  But you just sort of sense this guy has this like shady side. And, you know, at Saratoga, he plays an important role though. He is Gates's second, really, kind of in many ways his adjutant or his second in command. He's in many of the key roles. He delivers Gates's terms to the British. He sort of sees sort of, he's got this vantage point. But after the war and later on, he is, he sort of is in a situation like Benedict Arnold in the sense that

• 1:36:43Speaker 04

  he sees many of these other patriot generals that are given, they're given loyalist land or holdings or mansions or whatever. Some of these guys are elevated in society. And he's still kind of constantly scraping and scratching to make ends meet. And, you know, it's after, in and around the War of 1812, this guy becomes an agent of Spain of all things. And, you know, he's just a, he's just a fascinating character. It's typical of what's the end revolutionary sniper. So you've got interesting individuals that in most cases you've never heard of. Or, you know, it's a different side of the war. This book is the good, the bad, the ugly.

• 1:37:28Speaker 04

  It's, it just, it puts it out there. It's in their own words. And it's, it just, they tell their own story.

• 1:37:38Jack Murphy?

  Any final thoughts about the book or anything that you'd like to talk about? I know we talked about a lot and there's a lot more for people to go and read about in the book. But is there anything else you'd like to bring up?

• 1:37:51Speaker 04

  I'd just say, I'd just say that this is a, an opportunity to sort of to look at, in many ways, a forgotten aspect of American Special Operations history that in many ways, these men were pioneers of it. And it was not a linear type ascent. They had a lot of, you know, there's the mutiny that takes place. There's different things that go on. There's a struggle with doctrine. And then there's this fascinating characters. But ultimately, it's, it's their human agency that, in their grit, that eventually prevail.

• 1:38:34Speaker 04

  And it's an incredible story of, of, it will, it will provide you with a very different look at the American Revolution. It's a band of brothers on that story. And I'm just, I've been super pleased that the book, it was a bestseller on pre-orders alone. We sold thousands of copies on pre-orders, pre-orders. And the book, it publishes technically on Tuesday on Amazon, but it's already at the front of the store at Barnes and Noble and selling through. And, you know, it's doing very well. So I'm just, I'm pleased with the book. And it's been, for me, every, every book I've written, I've written 14. Every book has been a journey.

• 1:39:17Speaker 04

  And this has been a, just a tremendous journey that I, that I've relished and savored. It's been a privilege to sort of tell or let, you know, in some way to sort of convey in their own words what these men and women saw and did.

• 1:39:36Jack Murphy?

  So the book is Revolutionary Snipers and by the time most of you are listening to this podcast, the book will be out everywhere. And I just follow up with that to, you know, reiterate, it is a really great narrative, boots on the ground sort of account. That's very readable. I think people should pick it up. It's, it's not just a dry history. As Pat talks about, there's a lot of colorful characters sprinkled throughout this book and it's kind of following along with their story and following around along with the subsequent battles that Washington fought. So it kind of, it really does suck you into the, the, the experience, I think.

• 1:40:20Speaker 04

  Thank you. Yeah. Each one of these things, it's just, it's powerful scenes that are all based on the primary sources that these individuals experienced and wrote. And it's in their own words that, that I just let them tell their own story. And it unfolds and it allows you to sort of, to go back in time to 1775 or 1774, where the book begins through eight years of war, that this is really in many ways, truly an epic story.

• 1:40:58Jack Murphy?

  So get it for Veterans Day, get it for the veteran you know. It's coming up. Pat, do you want to talk about, I know the, the kind of like life cycle, how books are published? Like you probably finished the manuscript for this like a year ago. Are you working on anything new? Or is there a new project?

• 1:41:20Speaker 04

  A lot of, I've just been very, very busy. I just got back from, from Europe a couple of weeks ago, where I led a tour. It was really, really remarkable, actually. The Brenner Assignment Tour, which is based on three of my books on the OSS, never been done. And it was the, the main donors and the board members, we never even advertised, of the National World War II Museum. And, and my, my co-guide was the founder of the museum, Dr. Nick Mueller. And we went into

• 1:41:59Speaker 04

  the Dolomites with 45 people and I retraced the steps of Stephen Hall and Howard Chapel, and the Tacoma Mission and the Mercury Mission. And it was, I mean, it was epic. It was, it was an experience of a lifetime. I, I loved it. And we, it took me two years to help design this tour because I had to go through the original primary documents to figure out where all these safe houses were and, you know, where the ambush points were, the bridges that he blew, and the SS, where they were. It was, it was complex. And it was the story of that, but it was intermixed with,

• 1:42:41Speaker 04

  you know, we went into the, the history of the Tyrol, Southern Tyrol and Castle Tyrol in the Middle Ages. We visited that. Several concentration camps. We went on the side of a glacier where the Greenup team and the real inglorious bastards, the members, the Jewish members of the OSS who were refugees that joined the German operational group dropped in. And they recently, in the summer of 2025, they found parts of the parachute harness from the canisters that these men dropped. And it was, you know, we had that on display, the table. I mean, I, I brought back, it was so

• 1:43:21Speaker 04

  cool. I brought back the original distinguished service cross from the Tacoma team, which I won in an auction, from Salvador Fabrega and his Purple Heart Medal. It was, it was just an amazing, amazing experience. And I've done that for various things that, in Normandy, I've been a guide there and Bellwicks, different things like that. And then also Mosby's Confederacy. But it's like, this is, this is really special. And then, yeah, I've got several contracts for books that need to be written. And, you know, already, already deep into one of those books.

• 1:44:05Speaker 04

  And, you know, every, every book that I write is a, is a journey that I love to take. And I'm, I'm, I'm going back in time to the American Civil War. My favorite, one of my favorite books is Behind Me, The Unvanquished, which is on the Jesse Scouts, which were the Union Scouts that dressed as Confederates that went after Mosby's Rangers and the Confederate Secret Service, the South's most dangerous men. But it was way more than that. It's like, you know, everything from the color revolution to election interference, which these men pioneered. And then their, their trip to Mexico, where the Jesse Scouts unseat Maximilian and army insurgency. It's, I mean,

• 1:44:49Speaker 04

  epic stuff. And it's, what's old is new, which so many of the lessons learned from those guys and the Revolutionary Snipers certainly can be applied to today.

• 1:45:01Jack Murphy?

  Well, Pat, thank you for coming on the show and walking us through this history today.

• 1:45:07Speaker 04

  My pleasure, Jack. I, I always love coming on and doing the deep dive with the Team House. It's one of my favorite, you know, favorite venues. Always a pleasure and an honor.

• 1:45:17Jack Murphy?

  Thank you.

• 1:45:18Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:45:19Jack Murphy?

  We appreciate it. And again, book is Revolutionary Snipers. It'll be out pretty much anywhere. I think by the time you hear this pod.

• 1:45:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's out now on Barnes and Noble, the front of the store. And, and most of my updates are at Combat Historian. That's my Twitter account. And, you know, Amazon has all the reviews. There's just, there's dozens of them already. We had so many reviews for Revolutionary Snipers that we had, they couldn't fit them on the, the back page, that we actually had to create an interior page for this book to, to capture so much of the advanced praise and the reviews that are already taken place.

• 1:45:55Jack Murphy?

  If you're watching this episode on our Patreon, so you guys get it sooner than everyone else, you can go find it at Barnes and Noble right now. And by the way-

• 1:46:06Speaker 04

  It is at the front of the store at the new and noteworthy.

• 1:46:10Jack Murphy?

  And while, while I'm on this track, go sign up for our Patreon. There's a link down in the description and you get access to all of these episodes earlier and ad free. So we really appreciate all of you who support the show. And yeah, Pat, thank you. And look forward to having you back on the show when the next-

• 1:46:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, waiting to come back, definitely.

• 1:46:31Jack Murphy?

  When the next-

• 1:46:31Speaker 04

  Hopefully not as long as the next book. We can do maybe a redo with some of the other, let me do the Brenner assignment. You guys would love that story.

• 1:46:39Jack Murphy?

  I was thinking that, yeah. Yeah, we could do that.

• 1:46:41Speaker 04

  It is epic. It's epic. It's Stephen Hall and Howard Chapel. Nice guys don't win wards. It's, it's, it's amazing stuff. It's a, it's a story of the SS and the OSS in a cat and mouse game where Hall destroys all the bridges up in the Frioli region, and then has to make this epic story of, you know, 53 miles through the most mountainous but beautiful terrain, the Dolomites, is skiing and climbing and avoiding the SS and the, and the German mountain troops at the same time. And then, you know, there's even a love story. It's an amazing, it's, it's incredible.

• 1:47:26Speaker 04

  It's one of my favorite books.

• 1:47:28Jack Murphy?

  Awesome. Well, thank you, Pat. And everyone else, we will see you again next time.

• 1:47:34Speaker 04

  Thank you so much, Jack. Really, it was great.

• 1:47:40Jack Murphy?

  We've heard a lot over the last few years about whether it's possible to build things in America. Our presenting sponsor today, Vera Watches, is putting that question to the test. Vera was founded in Venice, California in 2016 with a simple goal, to rebuild US watchmaking while producing watches tough enough to withstand the toughest outdoor environments. Today, Vera is the largest independent watch assembler in America, assembling watches in California, Arizona, Rhode Island, and Alabama, while also manufacturing its leather straps in Illinois and Florida. Every Vera watch is built for active use with a guaranteed waterproof warranty, scratch resistant, sapphire crystals, and high quality materials and components throughout.

• 1:48:23Jack Murphy?

  That combination has helped Vera earn more than 10,000 five-star customer reviews, including thousands from people who rely on their watches every day in demanding professional environments. All of us here at the Team House have been wearing our Vera watches for a while now. And you can check mine out right here. This is the Meridian Diver Watch in Navy Blue. It's very classy watch. And this is the actual rubber dive watch band, if you wanted to, you know, take it in saltwater. But it also comes with a normal silver band and a nylon band, if you prefer that. And Dee, what, what kind of watch are you wearing there?

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  I have the C4 Tactical Field Watch. It's solar powered too. I'm loving it. And it's funny because I had this laying on my coffee table the other day, actually. And my homie came in and to watch football or whatever, and he's a watch guy. And he's like, oh, is that that Vera one? He, I, I'm not even making this up. Like, I'm not even bullshitting. I'm like, holy shit, yeah, like they're going to be presenting sponsor for the Team House. And they sent us all a bunch of watches. Like, yo, I love this watch. And I, I literally sold the watch. I sent them the link, the Team House link. And I'm like, yo, buy a watch from this, from this link. Because if you do buy a watch from that link, which is vera watches.com/the team house, you, when you purchase

• 1:49:45Speaker 02

  a watch, you get a free watch roll that you could fill up with three watches. So you could travel with your watches and stuff like that. It's really cool. It's leather. Yeah. And I was so excited when he was like, yo, is that that Vera watch? I see it all the time. I was like, so amped that he came up with that.

• 1:50:03Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it, it's nice. I really liked the, like, nice big watch face.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  You can find them at vera watches.com/the team house. That's V A E R watches.com/the team house. And if you use our link, you'll get a free watch roll with $59 with your purchase. Also, Vera does offer a 20% discount for active duty military, veterans, and law enforcement, and first responders. So you could check that out at any time if you are any one of those. Yeah, I'm excited about the sponsorship. So I really hope people go and check out Vera.

• 1:50:43Speaker 05

  It may be time to try something else. Extensure is an ultra-long-acting prescription-maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extensure is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection. Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or flulike symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur.

• 1:51:25Speaker 05

  Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extensure. Learn more at Extensure.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 1:51:35Jack Murphy?

  Underdog already has team picks, player props, money lines, spreads, you name it, they got it. But apparently, somebody over there said, "You know what's missing? Screaming like a maniac about a rookie card on your couch." And we love them for that. Because Underdog now has rips. You get a digital pack, starting at just $5. You check the live odds, see which grails you could pull, then rip it open to reveal a real, physical card. And the grails are no joke. They have cards up to $125,000 in value, and plenty to pull. From football and basketball to Pokemon, with new, limited-edition packs dropping regularly. Even cooler, you can decide to keep the card and Underdog will ship it straight to your home, or sell it back instantly at 100% of its fair-market value.

• 1:52:19Jack Murphy?

  And the cash goes right in your account. No listing it online, no stranger lowballing you in the messages. Just rip, reveal, and cash out instantly. Or make some room on your shelf. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Get five free rips packs when you deposit $5. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18-plus terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare. Oh, I have had no luck lately. Wait, lady luck?

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  Fredsky, I got you. I've had so much luck on Spinquest.com. They have all of my favorite games, slot games, live blackjack, craps, and bubble craps. You can even get a $30 coin pack for just $10.

• 1:53:02Jack Murphy?

  $10 for 30? I'm adding it over to Spinquest.com right now.

• 1:53:06Speaker 01

  Spinquest is a free-to-play social casino.

• 1:53:09Speaker 06

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• 1:53:44Speaker 01

  At Humana, our Medicare Advantage plans are easy to understand and easy on your wallet. Like offering more benefits than you'd get from an original Medicare loan, and including dental, vision, and hearing coverage in every plan. And the best part is, every plan has a $0 or low monthly plan premium, which makes it easier to save, too. So this Medicare planning season, plan well with Humana. Learn more at GetHumana.com. Humana is a Medicare Advantage, HMO, and PPO organization with a Medicare contract. Enrollment in any Humana plan depends on contract renewal.

• 1:54:15Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:54:22Speaker 05

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extensure. Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extensure is an ultra-long-acting prescription-maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extensure is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 1:55:05Speaker 05

  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or flulike symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extensure. Learn more at Extensure.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 1:55:22Jack Murphy?

  Underdog already has team picks, player props, money lines, spreads, you name it, they got it. But apparently, somebody over there said, "You know what's missing? Screaming like a maniac about a rookie card on your couch." And we love them for that. Because Underdog now has rips. You get a digital pack, starting at just $5. You check the live odds, see which grails you could pull, then rip it open to reveal a real, physical card. And the grails are no joke. They have cards up to $125,000 in value, and plenty to pull. From football and basketball to Pokemon, with new, limited-edition packs dropping regularly. Even cooler, you can decide to keep the card and Underdog will ship it straight to your home, or sell it back instantly at 100% of its fair-market value.

• 1:56:06Jack Murphy?

  And the cash goes right in your account. No listing it online, no stranger lowballing you in the messages. Just rip, reveal, and cash out instantly. Or make some room on your shelf. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Get five free rips packs when you deposit $5. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18-plus terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

• 1:56:32Jack Murphy?

  Forget whatever plans you have this weekend, because you're staying at home and playing on Spinquest. And there's never been a better time to sign up than right now. New users get $30 coin packs for just $10. All the table games you love, with hundreds of slot games and real cash prizes. That's at Spinquest.com. S-P-I-N-Q-U-E-S-T.com. Spinquest is a free-to-play social casino.

• 1:56:56Speaker 00

  Void where prohibited. Visit Spinquest.com for more details.

• 1:57:01Speaker 00

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• 1:57:39Speaker 05

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extensure. Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extensure is an ultra-long-acting prescription-maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extensure is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 1:58:22Speaker 05

  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or flulike symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extensure. Learn more at Extensure.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 1:58:39Jack Murphy?

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real, physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door, or sell it back instantly at full-market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18-plus terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare. Oh, I have had no luck lately. Wait, lady luck?

• 1:59:15Speaker 01

  Fredsky, I got you. I've had so much luck on Spinquest.com. They have all of my favorite games, slot games, live blackjack, craps, and bubble craps. You can even get a $30 coin pack for just $10.

• 1:59:28Jack Murphy?

  $10 for 30? I'm adding it over to Spinquest.com right now.

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  Spinquest is a free-to-play social casino.

• 1:59:34Speaker 06

  Void where prohibited. Visit Spinquest.com for more details.

• 1:59:39Speaker 06

  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small-business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at OnDeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 2:00:17Speaker 05

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extensure. Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extensure is an ultra-long-acting prescription-maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extensure is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 2:01:00Speaker 05

  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or flulike symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extensure. Learn more at Extensure.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 2:01:17Jack Murphy?

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real, physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door, or sell it back instantly at full-market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18-plus terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare. Hey, everybody. Lady Luck here. I just love the holiday season, spending time with family, sharing stories, and having some holiday cheer. But sometimes, when the kids get a little crazy, I love to break away, cozy up, and play some Spinquest.com. They have over 1,000 different slots in

• 2:02:02Speaker 01

  All my favorite casino-style games. And they're running a deal for all new players. A $30 coin package for just $10. So go to spinquest.com and download the app today.

• 2:02:12Speaker 00

  Spinquest is a free-to-play social casino. Void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details.

• 2:02:18Speaker 06

  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 help make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of five-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 2:02:57Speaker 05

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture. Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 2:03:40Speaker 05

  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or flulike symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 2:03:57Jack Murphy?

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door or sell it back instantly at full market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare. You know what? It sucks to be bored. But when I get on my phone and play real casino games on spinquest.com, the time flies by. That two-hour wait at the DMV seems like 10 minutes.

• 2:04:40Jack Murphy?

  Play your favorite slots, live blackjack, live craps with a live dealer. New players, $30 coin packs are on sale for $10. Play spinquest.com and you'll never be bored again.

• 2:04:51Speaker 00

  Spinquest is a free-to-play social casino. Void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of five-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 2:05:34Speaker 05

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture. Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 2:06:17Speaker 05

  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or flulike symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 2:06:34Jack Murphy?

  Underdog already has team picks, player props, money lines, spreads, you name it, they got it. But apparently, somebody over there said, "You know what's missing? Screaming like a maniac about a rookie card on your couch." And we love them for that. Because Underdog now has rips. You get a digital pack starting at just $5. You check the live odds, see which grails you could pull, then rip it open to reveal a real physical card. And the grails are no joke. They have cards up to $125,000 in value and plenty to pull. From football and basketball to Pokemon, with new limited-edition packs dropping regularly. Even cooler, you can decide to keep the card and Underdog will ship it straight to your home or sell it back instantly at 100% of its fair market value.

• 2:07:18Jack Murphy?

  And the cash goes right in your account. No listing it online, no stranger lowballing you in the messages. Just rip, reveal, and cash out instantly. Or make some room on your shelf. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Get five free rips packs when you deposit $5. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

• 2:07:43Speaker 02

  Oh, I have had no luck lately. Wait, lady luck?

• 2:07:47Speaker 01

  Brett, see, I got you. I've had so much luck on spinquest.com. They have all of my favorite games, slot games, live blackjack, craps, and bubble craps. You can even get a $30 coin pack for just $10.

• 2:08:01Speaker 02

  $10 for 30? I'm adding it over to spinquest.com right now.

• 2:08:05Speaker 00

  Spinquest is a free-to-play social casino. Void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details.

• 2:08:12Speaker 00

  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 2:08:53Speaker 05

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture. Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 2:09:36Speaker 05

  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or flulike symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 2:09:53Jack Murphy?

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door or sell it back instantly at full market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare. Hanging out at the pool is great. Relaxing and playing Vegas-style games on my phone at the same time. Drinking one hand and a blackjack in the other. It's all at Spinquest.

• 2:10:36Jack Murphy?

  Over 1,000 games, including your favorite slots and table games. Be cool with this summer special. New players get $30 coin packs for 10 at spinquest.com.

• 2:10:47Speaker 00

  Spinquest is a free-to-play social casino. Void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 2:11:31Speaker 05

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture, Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection, common cold, sinus infection,

• 2:12:16Speaker 05

  inflammation in the nose, flu or flu-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at Extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 2:12:31Jack Murphy?

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real, physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door or sell it back instantly at full market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

• 2:13:02Speaker 04

  Happy birthday, America. It's time to celebrate and play your favorite Las Vegas casino games by American-owned Spinquest.com. What's better than fireworks and American pie? Hitting a blackjack in the palm of your hand, and you won't lose your fingers. Over 1,000 games, including slots and live dealers, and $30 coin packs are on sale for 10. Spinquest.com. Buy American players for American players.

• 2:13:27Speaker 00

  Spinquest is a free-to-play social casino. Void where prohibited. Visit Spinquest.com for more details. Cash flow crutch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at OnDeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 2:14:11Speaker 05

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture, Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection, common cold, sinus infection,

• 2:14:55Speaker 05

  inflammation in the nose, flu or flu-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at Extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 2:15:11Jack Murphy?

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real, physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door or sell it back instantly at full market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

• 2:15:41Speaker 04

  The holidays are my favorite time of year. And after a day of shopping, crowds, and chaos, there's nothing I'd rather do than cozy up to my favorite casino-style games on Spinquest from the comfort of my own phone. Thousands of fun slots and live dealer games. And in the spirit of the holidays as a gift to you, a $30 coin pack for 10 to all new users. Unwrap the fun at Spinquest.com or download the app today.

• 2:16:06Speaker 00

  Spinquest is a free-to-play social casino. Void where prohibited. Visit Spinquest.com for more details. OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at OnDeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 2:16:44Speaker 05

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture, Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection, common cold, sinus infection,

• 2:17:29Speaker 05

  inflammation in the nose, flu or flu-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at Extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 2:17:44Jack Murphy?

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real, physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door or sell it back instantly at full market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

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• 2:20:13Jack Murphy?

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• 2:20:57Jack Murphy?

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• 2:21:15Jack Murphy?

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