Did America Just Switch Sides on Ukraine? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

We break down the reported throttling of Starlink in Ukraine, the Trump administration’s shifting Russia policy, and whether U. S. decisions are now putting Ukrainians and Americans on the ground at greater risk. We also discuss Europe’s ability to operate without U. S. support, the danger of a new escalation with Iran, and growing unrest over Israeli settler violence in the West Bank. VAER Watches ⬇️ https://www.vaerwatches.com/theteamhouse get a free watch roll with your purchase. 20% for active duty, veteran, leo, & first responders Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Jack's news outlet:⬇️ https://thehighside.substack.com/ Find Jon Hackett here:⬇️ Jon's Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Jon's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Jon's books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0C5L659N5?ccs_id=e11a2062-f8d3-498e-bfd7-7d2f3869caf6 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Whitefish security summit ⬇️ https://whitefishsecuritysummit.com Find Marc P here: https://x.com/Mpolymer Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations 00:00 – Start 00:21 – Did the U. S. Throttle Starlink in Ukraine? 01:07 – Russia’s Massive Strike on Kyiv 02:37 – Has Trump Shifted U. S. Policy Toward Russia? 03:54 – The Diesel Deal & the White House’s Russia Strategy 05:03 – Did U. S. Policy Put Americans in Kyiv at Risk? 06:33 – Starlink vs. Starshield Explained 08:50 – Why Diesel Prices Are Driving U. S. Policy 09:46 – Did the U. S. Stop Warning Ukraine About Russian Strikes? 10:50 – “I’ve Never Seen Anything Like This” 12:02 – The Loophole in the Russia Sanctions Law 13:03 – Was the Lindsey Graham Bill Just Political Theater? 14:01 – “Russia Is Not Our Friend” 14:17 – Conservatives Begin Breaking With Trump on Russia 15:09 – Calls to Investigate Trump’s Russia Ties 15:57 – Corruption, Kushner, Witkoff & Russia Business Deals 17:43 – Why Former Generals Stay Quiet 18:37 – The Intelligence-Sharing Decision That Crossed a Line 20:32 – Do Retired Generals Have a Duty to Speak Out? 21:25 – Can Europe Defend Itself Without the United States? 23:47 – NATO, Nuclear Deterrence & European Rearmament 26:13 – Can Europe Replace Starlink? 27:38 – The Risk of Europe Becoming Dependent on Chinese Satellites 28:53 – How the Iran War Boxed Washington Into a Corner 29:58 – Are U. S. Forces Preparing to Escalate Against Iran? 31:54 – The Risk of an Iran–U. S. Miscalculation 33:45 – How Deterrence Can Become a Threat 34:30 – Could Iran Preempt a U. S. Strike? 35:15 – Reports of a “Symbolic” Strike Proposal 36:04 – Iran’s Information War Aimed at U. S. Voters 37:05 – Why Nobody Can Predict What Happens Next 37:55 – “There Are No Straight Lines in Nature” 39:04 – Israeli Settler Violence & the West Bank 40:28 – When Does Settler Violence Become Terrorism? 41:24 – Israel’s Election & the Political Fallout 42:14 – What Do the Polls Say in Israel? 43:11 – Could Senior U. S. Officials Still Serve Under This Administration? 44:23 – When “They” Becomes “We” Inside Government 45:05 – Rebuilding American Credibility 45:44 – What to Watch Over the Next Week 47:10 – Closing Thoughts Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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  This episode is presented by Ver watches. Go to vaerwatches.com slash the team house. Hey everybody, we're back. Welcome to I's on geopolitics. I'm here with Jonathan Hackett, Mark Polymoropoulos. Milburn might be joining us. I don't know yet. Hopefully he does. If not, we will carry on without him. A lot happening over the last week as usual. Nothing really different. The big story from the telegraph, I have it pulled up here because I'm prepared for these shows. Musk approached Trump to slow down Starlink in Ukraine. And that's from Joe Barnes at the telegraph that came out a couple of days ago.

• 1:39Speaker 04

  After this went down, Musk was saying that the president and the DOD asked him essentially to do this. Which so it seems to be like people are pointing the finger at each other. See, you know, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. So what happened was it seems that the Starlink or Starshield internet access in Ukraine was throttled. And so like their military couldn't use it to target or do whatever, or not target. It was just, it was actually defensive.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  And the way they tested it too, because it came out of Ukraine is like they went over to an EU country. That's borders, Ukraine. I'm guessing it's Poland. Is it Poland? I don't know, whatever. It doesn't matter. Went to a EU company, a EU country. And once they went over the border, the internet started working perfectly. They were going up to 180 kilometers an hour and it was working fine. They jumped back over the border to Ukraine. It doesn't work again. And we did see over the last few days, a pretty huge bombardment of Kiev by Russia. Over a hundred Shahid drones, like 30 plus ballistic missiles, hitting anything and everything they can. So there seems to be a huge, huge rift going on.

• 2:50Speaker 04

  And before we started, I was saying like, I wanted, were we going to name this episode? Like, you know, did we switch sides to Russia now? Because it seems like we're doing a lot to help them out. Couple this with the, the diesel deal. You know, basically we had the Lindsey Graham act that sanctioned Russia. And Trump put, wrote up an executive order to ease those sanctions and like, kill, like strip what was in that bill, which I don't know how that's fucking legal, especially because he signed the bill into law. But riddle me that this, this administration loves to be in contempt of Congress and break the law. Seems like they do it as easy as breathing. So this is where we're at clearly, you know, I, I don't know how you're not a European country or an allied country.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  That's like, we could trust the America with anything anymore. Because the writing seems to be on the wall. So Mark, let's, you talk to me about it. What do you think? What are you tracking?

• 3:43Speaker 05

  So there's, let's talk big picture because you wanted to, you know, the title of the episode. And so you could, you can title it two ways. You know, has Trump switched sides to Russia? Or, you know, was he ever on the, the good guy's side? So, you know, I'm being a little snarky here, but you know, there's, there's a couple of things which happened this week, which is, it's going to be hard for the GOP defenders of Trump who are pro Ukrainian. There are some, but it's going to be hard for them to kind of maintain the line that Trump actually has done anything good for Ukraine. Despite, you know, there's the, there is continued intelligence sharing. And there is continued the, the pearl program in which we, in which the Europeans buy weapons from us and then they provide them to the Ukrainians. That is going on as well.

• 4:27Speaker 05

  And so that's what the kind of the GOP defenders of Trump say. But the last couple of days have been pretty, pretty stark in what's happened. And, and I want to go to Jonathan in a second so he can actually describe, because no one can get this right. So maybe he can, you know, Star Trek, Starlink, Star Wars. It's just, it's fucking maddening. Rubio, Rubio, I'm joking, Rubio got it wrong in a, in a presser as well. And so Jonathan, I think will be really helpful in, in unfucking that. But the, the two big things are the, you know, the, the diesel deal, which, which really means Steve Witkoff and Jared Kershner win. That's the, just the overall notion that there is somehow money to be made for the Russians. And that's going to entice the Russians to, to, to settle. Now this, I met with someone yesterday who's close, closely tied to the White House.

• 5:12Speaker 05

  That is their thinking. There is a logic to this. It's wrong, but that's their logic is that, that Russia will never give up. And the only way to get them to the table is to entice them to bring them into the fold more. I don't agree with it. That's their thinking and that thinking has won out. And in essence, that is in my view, a portrayal of, of Ukraine. And then the other piece, and let's just put it very starkly. Jonathan's going to decipher what happened, uh, well, specifically with, um, with in essence, you know, the satellite systems. But we have decided to withdraw a force protection measure for the Ukrainians that resulted in the deaths of Ukrainian civilians. And at the same time, by withdrawing this force, force protection measure, the US government doing so.

• 5:56Speaker 05

  I don't care if it's Musk, if it's Trump, if it's Bridge Colby, whoever it is, someone on our side did this. That led to not only deaths of Ukrainians, but our US personnel at embassy Kiev were at grave risk. And the thousands of American citizens, US citizens by law, FBI, others were supposed to protect them. They were at risk as well. And what I think you need from that is a gang of eight briefing. That's the leaders of Congress. They can demand this. We've done this before. Congress is out of session. They're all going to come back after the midterms. You're going to need a preservation order for all records on this. You're going to need hearings. There has to, this is an extremely serious matter in my view. Again, because it's not restricting the Ukrainians ability to hit targets in Russia. Fine, that's a debatable issue. This is defensive measures.

• 6:39Speaker 05

  This is this, and so to me it was absolutely egregious. Something that I'm actually surprised at, you know, if you ever think the Trump administration can surprise you, this is one of them. Cause you're talking about putting the men and women of the US government at risk on the ground. Okay. God bless the Ukrainians and what they've gone through, but I'm trying to get through to the MAGA world. Maybe you have some people in, you know, I'm sure you have lots of people who are Republican in this, in this podcast and they find, they should, it's America.

• 7:04Speaker 05

  Just think about that. The men and women, there's a lot of veterans here, people in the, in the US military, intelligence services, state department at embassy Kiev could have gotten killed because of something the US government did. That's crazy. So anyway, that's my thoughts on this, but big thing for Jonathan. I, I mean, literally Rubio this morning, or his last night is on a presser. He's on the way to, I think he's on the way to India. He gave some convoluted thing about, you know, uh, what occurred. And then everybody responded back, well, he's wrong on that too. So can you tell us what exactly happened or could have happened or what these systems do? Because there's two separate systems as well. I'm, I understand.

• 7:39Speaker 06

  Yeah. So there's Starlink and Starshield. Starlink is the commercially available, like commercial off the shelf, low earth orbit data provider essentially. And then Starshield is a separate defense oriented system that uses the same backbone. But it's for a defense consumer, which means it's going to have less restrictions on its use. It's going to have some more access to different bands of satellite communication. Cause you know, there are different bands like L band, X band, K band. X band is specifically only for military use. This is part of how the US regulates the global satellite system that we have. You know, there's, there's different satellite systems, by the way, there's the US one, the Russian one, the Chinese one. There's a European one, especially when we're talking about GPS positioning. There's the one that Ukraine is using as a US based backbone system.

• 8:23Speaker 06

  That's kind of the key here, because if Ukraine was using a European provider, this wouldn't be happening. But Ukraine is using a US linked provider, which is Starlink. Low earth orbit generally is a newer kind of thing that's gaining traction. And when I say newer, I mean the last 50 years, as far as satellite communication goes. Low earth orbit satellite constellations were initially going to be something that the military would use with their, with the guys on the ground, you know, geographically dispersed, able to communicate with direct to cell communication on, in their positions on the ground to other people at command and control. That's what low earth orbits for. But this, this commercialization of it is kind of how the internet was commercialized. You know, it was initially a government thing invented by DARPA back in 1960s, seventies and eighties, and then became commercialized. And so that's what we're seeing with low earth orbit satellite communications.

• 9:08Speaker 06

  And what we're witnessing is the tension between that transition from a military system to a commercial system. Where commercial users are going to want broader, faster, more reliable access than the military was accepting. And Musk is closely linked with the US government on this because this thing is not completely privatized yet. This, this, this section of the atmosphere that these satellites are operating in, which is very low earth orbit. And still regulated quite heavily by the US, which means the US can interfere with it if they want to. The US can turn it up, turn it down, do things to it, manipulate it. And that's exactly what we're seeing this week. And this shouldn't be looked at narrowly. It shouldn't be looked at as a single, you know, satellite communications being interfered with.

• 9:50Speaker 06

  It should be looked at as a wider US policy vis a vis Russia and Ukraine because of the Iran war. Because what's happening domestically inside the United States is that diesel is very expensive. Gas is very expensive. The Republican party is concerned about the price of gas at the pump coming up here in about three weeks, two weeks at the midterm elections. Trump is flailing around trying to find a way to reduce the diesel price because he sees that as a, not just him, but you know, strategists see this as a key problem for votes in swing states and purple areas to get under control. If they want to have the votes go red. So this is kind of a last ditch effort on the US domestic politics side to pressure Trump to go talk to Russia to get a concession.

• 10:31Speaker 06

  And when I'm looking at this, I'm seeing the US is asking Russia, please give us diesel. Russia is saying, okay, we'll do that if, and here are our conditions. Many of those conditions involve Ukraine. Things like the ability for the Ukrainians to communicate in rapid movement on the ground with low earth orbit satellite constellations. That's one thing, turn it down, throttle it. And we saw that happen. Another is the intel sharing. So when.

• 10:57Speaker 06

  Last, let's say 48 hours, there were two strikes, major strikes in Kiev that you were just talking about, Mark. The US normally shares intelligence about those strikes ahead of times because we have very sophisticated ways of knowing that those things are going to happen. And we provide sanitized versions of that intelligence to our partners. We have the duty to warn. And actually, we do it not just to our partners, but to anyone that we have a relationship with. We have a duty to warn them that we know about an impending attack. We did not share that intelligence in the last 48 hours with Ukraine. This is a new development that I think is underreported or not as widely, you know, discussed as it should be. Because this is a conscious decision on a US policy level not to tell our partner that they were going to be attacked, even though we knew about it. Uh, this was a very large attack on Kiev. And as you mentioned, there are Americans in danger of these attacks as well.

• 11:42Speaker 06

  So we were willing to allow Americans to be harmed and killed for this policy position.

• 11:47Speaker 05

  I mean, so Jonathan, you're, you're former, former US military, correct? Well, I mean, you know, I was former CIA, like that makes me crazy when I hear that. I mean, what is your reaction to that?

• 11:57Speaker 06

  It is crazy. I mean, we have shared information with our non-allies and non-partners before about attacks happening to them, to our enemies.

• 12:03Speaker 05

  Have you ever seen something like this in your career? Yeah, I mean, neither. That's the thing that, that I, that's, that's why I'm kind of throwing a fit about this with congressional involvement. And I mean, obviously flailing for something, um, uh, to try and investigate what happened. Cause I just, I mean, I've just never seen anything like this. I, it's, it's, I mean, I, it's hard to even fathom that, you know, I mean, there's, you know, you can be a cynic about politics. But this is something else. I mean, if I was at Embassy Kiev now, I'd be like, what the hell just happened? And by the way, if Embassy Kiev was warned and we didn't warn the American citizens in Ukraine, that's a massive statute, a violation of the statute as well. And if they have been hurt, they are possibly, you're going to law school there. I think there is some, some possible liability issues. Like it's nuts what happened.

• 12:46Speaker 05

  And I don't know if this administration is just incompetent and just did it because they, they, uh, you know, like Trump and Musk talking about it. Or if actually any lawyers at the NSC or someone like that actually okayed this, because that actually is pretty wild as well. Maybe I, I, I tend to think they didn't do that because everyone's running away from this, because I think people realize this is bad. So everyone is disavowed this.

• 13:08Speaker 06

  Yeah. And you know, back to the legal point too, on especially the, the diesel sanctions waivers and all this stuff. So when the, when the Lindsey Graham act was written and passed, the reason that it was able to pass on a bipartisan level is because of section 115 of that act. That gives the president the ability to weasel out of the act.

• 13:24Speaker 05

  So Dee, that's your answer. There's no violation of the Lindsey Graham.

• 13:28Speaker 06

  No.

• 13:28Speaker 05

  There, there's.

• 13:28Speaker 06

  And it's, and it's mentioned actually in the executive order, the third paragraph of the executive order. It's a very long executive order. Actually, it's longer than usual, which means they actually put some thought into it. The third paragraph says, section 115 allows us to waive anything in this, this bill.

• 13:44Speaker 05

  And you remember Jonathan, some Democrats were opposed to the bill. And they were opposed to the bill and everyone's like, well, hold on a second. We've wanted this thing to pass so much. And they were opposed to the bill exactly for this reason. And so it turns out those who voted for it and got a lot of heat actually may have been right. Because they basically said, this is toothless. This is stupid. Trump's going to do it. And he did it.

• 14:01Speaker 06

  Yep. There was a loophole built into it from the beginning.

• 14:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  Sounds like par for the course for Congress, you know?

• 14:09Speaker 05

  But this is, but this was, this was, I mean, the, the cynics in everyone should say like, again, it so became just theater. So this was not a very enforceable piece of legislation. It's not the original kind of Lindsey Graham bill. There are these caveats in there, why the White House agreed to it, knowing full well they would do this. Um, and you know, it's actually interesting because in the South Carolina senate race, this is now an issue too. I mean, Lindsey Graham's sister, who has been running around saying that, you know, obviously she's there at the, to honor her, her late brother. Kind of hard for her to justify this and she did. She actually basically, I mean, it's just, it's the, the whole thing is just.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  Well, she has absolutely no fucking idea what the hell she's doing. Let's be real. You saw that debate clip? You know, asked a pretty simple foreign policy question and she balked at it like completely, which you know, I, I don't really focus on foreign policy. I don't really have an understanding of foreign policy. Meanwhile, Lindsey Graham's whole fucking thing was about foreign policy. You know, he didn't do a fucking thing for the people of South Carolina. Let's be real. Um, I'll add it.

• 15:07Speaker 06

  But I think one, one thing, one thing that everyone, I think many Americans can agree on is that the Russians are not our friend. And they have not been our friend, even during World War II, when we were allied against the Germans. That was an alliance that was required for the time. That was not because we were friends. In fact, in the 1920s.

• 15:24Speaker 05

  Does not agree with that. Like Trump actually.

• 15:26Speaker 06

  Right.

• 15:26Speaker 05

  That, that's where he differs so much from the majority of the American people and it seems to have gotten away with it. I mean, the idea that there was a Russia hoax, every, all that is getting proven. I mean, it's, it's getting just the Russian, there was no hoax. It's being disproven because Russia, because Trump has just outwardly turned towards, towards Moscow. I mean, it's something that, you know, Ronald Reagan's rolling in his grave. I, I mean. And you know, there's, we always follow all this stuff on social media. There is a group of pro Ukrainian members of the, kind of the Republican party foreign policy class. And it's getting to be very hard for them. In fact. Who, I mean, you know, the National Review, the National Review is probably the bible for the conservative movement.

• 16:07Speaker 05

  And, uh, who is it? Andrew McCarthy came out today and basically said Trump should be investigated for his ties with Russia. I mean, that's pretty shocking. Did you guys see that?

• 16:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was going to mention that, uh, and saying about like Congress should investigate this and, and see what's.

• 16:22Speaker 05

  That's the National Review.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's pretty wild. They, I mean, Congress won't do shit, but.

• 16:27Speaker 05

  I know, but that's, that's not me saying it.

• 16:29Speaker 04

  Right.

• 16:29Speaker 05

  Crazy person from MS Now, even though I'm a centrist, nobody believes that, but I am not like Dee, who is a radical leftist.

• 16:37Speaker 05

  We have an Antifa member on our podcast. But no, but it's the National Review for God's sakes. I mean, I, I saw that. I was like, I don't, I just hit like repost, not even a comment.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, I was, it was kind of crazy to see for sure. I mean, but I could totally see like, you know, the National Review types, the neo con folks. Who are going to start bucking up against this, but it's going to fall on deaf ears. They don't really have any kind of wasta in the Republican party anymore.

• 17:03Speaker 05

  Well, I think what, what it's important is that, um, well, I mean, there's a couple of things. So yeah, it might fall on deaf ears. Um, but it does go, I mean, it's, you know, it does go in line with this notion of corruption. And if you look at the opinion polls, we're talking politics now, it's diverging from foreign policy, but, but corruption is the biggest issue in the minds of voters. And so when you get to, hey, we want to have rapport with Russia for business deal. And you have Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkoff negotiating them. And there are some of the, some of the basis of people's complaints about corruption. I think it does tie together a little bit. Uh, and the other thing too is, you know, you know, winter's coming. The Democrats win, you know, that means, and administration might not listen to subpoenas, but the congressional oversight is going to go into overdrive.

• 17:48Speaker 05

  And so, you know, all this stuff is going to come out. So if you're smart, I mean, you're, you're, I mean, here, here's the thing to look at. And you know, I, I had a, a gleeful, uh, two weeks of covering, um, the, the Kim Goldfoyle. US Ambassador to Greece meltdown. Um, uh, and you know, that kind of stuff matters. Because there's no way she would have survived anyhow, but she wouldn't have survived Democratic Congress. Howard Lutnick, I don't think he's going to stick around. Cash Patel might not either. You know, there's some people who they're just going to be, Pete Hegseth is going to get impeached. I mean, I'm completely convinced the House will impeach him, probably the first thing that they do. Um, and so ultimately, you know, this is, there's going to be some lot of unpleasantness coming. Uh, uh, and so I think that, you know, some of these things, when the National Review comes out.

• 18:33Speaker 05

  It says stuff like that, investigate Trump for, for Russia ties. Yeah, that's, we're getting down a road. Where, where I think that there will be some accountability. It's, I mean, at least the beginnings of it. I hope so.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  God, nothing. All right.

• 18:46Speaker 06

  I'm a centrist. I don't get political.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure.

• 18:48Speaker 05

  You already, you got political in the beginning. You basically said, you said Trump and whoever did this has blood on their hands.

• 18:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, the war is politics by other means.

• 18:56Speaker 05

  I mean, it, they do. And so, you know, there was something that, that popped up that drove me nuts this morning. Now I'm going to get Jonathan. I'm going to ask him. I mean, David Petraeus came out, someone asked him on a, on a, on a show, does Trump, uh, it was, I think it was Sky News, it's a British show. Uh, it said, does Trump have blood on his hands? And he was like, well, he kind of mealy mouthed, just fucking say it.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't get why people are so scared.

• 19:16Speaker 05

  Just say, if true, yes. It's not hard to do.

• 19:20Speaker 06

  I mean, you could just point to the Americans who died in the Middle East during this conflict. They would not have died but for a presidential action, a war action in the Middle East. And that there's, there's a direct line to this.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  But even more so than that, because sadly people die in wars and presidents start wars. This is a forced protection measure that someone pulled.

• 19:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think actually the the intel sharing thing is the biggest like exclamation point to me. Although the the throttling of the Starlink, all this other stuff, that's that's bad. But like the fact that we we deliberately did not warn American citizens inside of Ukraine of an impending known casualty event to give them time to to evacuate, to move, to do whatever. We didn't do that. And that that is an intentional choice we made to harm Americans.

• 20:04Speaker 05

  Just say it. You did. I'm just if you were David Petraeus, I would be saying.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't get what David Petraeus is. Uh, I mean, I get it. He's a fucking talking man.

• 20:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's a talking man. More corporate boards than you could ever imagine. I mean, I have so many friends who have told me that they have to be very careful what they say. They've been warned by their their companies who have massive contracts with the US government. They got to be careful, which is why I have nothing. I have you, D.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Thanks, I'm glad to be here for you, bro.

• 20:31Speaker 05

  I have you, but you know, but I'm serious. I mean, so, you know, uh, and again, that's kind of unfortunate because we're supposed to live in a democracy and have a right to free speech, but a lot of people don't feel that way. I mean, this goes back to the conversation that Mick and I went at went at a long time ago. I mean, aside from kind of Ben Hodges, who I love, there's very few former US military generals who have spoken up, Admiral McRaven has, which I thought that was very good.

• 20:58Speaker 05

  I mean, come on, what are we doing? And and so, you know, this, and I understand the need, the desire to be apolitical in the general sense, but not in extreme circumstances like this, like we are, this is a, this is a country that has a policy, we have a pro Russia policy now. If you're a Cold Warrior, if you served, I just don't get it. How do you, how are you quiet? If you can't say something now, when can you? You know, and and it's late, that's fine. And, you know, as my buddy from MS now, Joe Scarborough says, you know, he's, you know, Baptist conversions, you know, we'll take them anytime. Take them late, come on the train. I mean, other people will be like, it's too late, but.

• 21:35Speaker 06

  Well, the thing with generals too, like three and four star generals, those are political appointments, you know, those are advice and consent of the Senate, political appointments. And it's strange that suddenly after they retire, they're no longer political. You know, like the whole point of their position was to be a policy advisor on military affairs in various capacities.

• 21:51Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 21:52Speaker 06

  It's almost like they have a duty to Americans to continue being in that capacity. They, you know, they they were there, they owe us something, especially the price that Americans pay in war. They have a special duty, I would argue, to continue informing Americans generally, because the Congress, which is the people, elected them through advice and consent, right? So like, there's some remaining or lingering duty they have to stand up and actually say what's going on.

• 22:15Speaker 05

  I don't get it.

• 22:16Speaker 06

  Who better, who is better positioned than a military general that actually saw what was going on behind the scenes to come and say, here's my interpretation of this thing for you, the American people?

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• 27:03Speaker 04

  Question, you guys spoke a little bit about what it would be like if you guys were still serving, right? Uh, what do you, what do you, like, if you're Ukraine, or if you're another NATO or a European ally, what do you think in seeing this shit go down? And I have a follow up question too for Jonathan, I'm sure you can answer. Is Europe, um, equipped to handle doing the Starlink, Starshield stuff? And for Ukraine to completely decouple from the United States outside, I have hopefully some still intelligence sharing.

• 27:34Speaker 04

  Let's do the first.

• 27:35Speaker 05

  I mean, I think we, I mean, the overall question, not the capabilities part, Jonathan can handle that. Overall, they should, and they have. I mean, we're in a different place now than we were a year ago. In fact, the French have have have been providing a whole bunch of battlefield intelligence, you know, not as good as the US, but they're, they're, they're doing that. The Ukrainians, in terms of their, you know, you know, indigenous kind of industrial capability for drones and other systems, fantastic. The Europeans are stepping up. I mean, I think, you know, if I was, if I was Zelensky, um, uh, you know, do you want a total break from, from Trump? No, but he kind of did that because he's had enough. I don't blame him. And so I think the Ukrainians are close to being able to handle themselves on their own.

• 28:17Speaker 05

  Um, and, you know, that's sad as a former, you know, US government practitioner, but we're not reliable. We're not on the right, we're not necessarily on the right side right now, because with this, whatever this shift is. So my answer would be, uh, yes, shift, and I think that's happening already. Uh, and and I think there's all, you don't see any panic right now. Kind of, there's no, the Europeans are not rushing to to kind of get on their knees in front of Trump that they did before. Mark Rutte, the Secretary General, the NATO Secretary General, is not rushing doing an emergency trip. I think there's a lot more like, you know, this is, this sucks, but this, you know, this is, this is manageable. I think the, the, the, the part that's really unfortunate is there's going to be a lot of civilian casualties this winter because the Ukrainians have run out of interceptors.

• 29:03Speaker 05

  Um, but that has nothing to do with the battle. There's a difference between what happens on the battlefield where they're doing well and there are civilians, uh, kind of, you know, the, the strikes that Russia is going to incur on civilians, killing a lot of Ukrainians. Um, but I don't think there's a sense of panic, and maybe I'm wrong, but I, I think there's just a different, a different dynamic now. Jonathan, what do you think?

• 29:24Speaker 06

  Well, I'm thinking about NATO and about, you know, the question, can they defend themselves? And NATO, you know, was a US-designed thing to put a US nuclear umbrella in Europe so that there wouldn't be nuclear weapons hanging around Europe outside of US control. That's kind of the original intent of NATO from a realist perspective. And we have France, the UK, perhaps Germany, other states with the ability to host or produce or use nuclear weapons in Europe now. And that was a major reason France left NATO back in the day. If you'll remember, NATO lost France and France rejoined. And this was over the nuclear issue, about nuclear sovereignty per state. And I think Europe has long been kind of, maybe not a cacophony, but at least a concert

• 30:09Speaker 06

  where with different people playing different instruments at different times, but they create kind of a symphony in their defense system where they're defending each other in various ways against various enemies. Especially if you look at like the Napoleonic Wars and you've gone back in history about how there was the first coalition, the second coalition, the third coalition, all these different states that were enemies coming friends. This is part of European history, and I think Europeans look at what is the threat right now? Can we fight that threat? I think the answer is yes, especially when you have Germany rearming, reinvigorating its defense industry in Western Germany in the Ruhr Valley. You have France also doing the same thing with its aircraft, especially, you know, there have been long challenges with air superiority and developing an independent non-F-35 alternative for Europe. And France and Germany both have been developing those alternatives well.

• 30:52Speaker 06

  And that's besides Russia-Ukraine conflict. That's been a European continental question since Brexit, when the UK left. So there have been these long questions in Europe about how do we defend ourselves in case UK or US is not there? And I think that has just become more obvious that that needs to be answered in the affirmative these days because the US is not there. And the US can't even, if you look at the tension between the US and Europe, the US cannot even land a Lancer on the continental European airfields because of our behavior and our relationship with Europe that we have designed for ourselves. This was not a outside issue. This was the US creating this problem for ourselves. And now it's coming home to roost.

• 31:32Speaker 06

  And it's just underlining to Europe, minus the UK, that Europe needs to be able to defend itself if it has to. And I think states like Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania are essentially pushing the rest of Europe to say, please make sure that that's true. And on the question of on the question of low Earth orbit satellite direct-to-cell communication, this is not a fancy special technology. Any private company with the right capitalization can produce these low Earth orbit satellite mesh networks and send them up into space. And especially you've got a lot of European satellite communication private companies. You also have official state-level Satcom capability that France and Germany especially can launch and manage.

• 32:16Speaker 06

  They could help Ukraine and they could help the European state, like the EU in particular. So I think this is less of a concern. It's more that the market right now has Elon Musk ahead of it. He has flooded the market with this technology, so he has the capability. But it's not precluding other states and other private entities with the right willpower to launch this. I would actually be more concerned and realistically concerned that China would launch an alternative as well. That's very cheap, that Europeans would purchase because it's cheap. And then a Chinese-controlled low Earth orbit satellite constellation is now over Europe. And then in the event of an actual open hostilities with Russia, China would come to Russia's aid and essentially do exactly what Elon Musk just did in Ukraine, they would do it to Europe.

• 32:59Speaker 06

  This would be a bigger concern that I would have that would push me to tell the European Union to get your own indigenous satellite mesh network up there now before China gives an alternative that you can't refuse.

• 33:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. And just for anybody who's, you know, because I wrote something pretty inflammatory on Twitter.

• 33:21Speaker 06

  No way.

• 33:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, me, yeah. I wrote that Trump's a piece of shit because he is. And so people were saying, you know, some people were coming back at me and stuff because there's obviously a lot of cult members. But let's not forget, like, Russia is actively providing Iran with like intel and informations and where our bases are at.

• 33:40Speaker 05

  To kill Americans.

• 33:41Speaker 04

  Right. So let's not, yeah, we're, it's real simple now. Like, you need to pick between good and evil. You have to pick a side. Like, is it, are you for Ukraine and they're fighting for their own sovereignty and freedom and democracy? Or are you for fucking Putin, who's been in power for 27 years now? And who's, you know, trying to be an imperialist fucking scumbag? Like, it's a real simple, like, this shouldn't be hard.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  I mean, right. So, I mean, it's just that's, but everything's thrown up in the air. I mean, the idea of a Republican president being from Moscow is, you know, Ronald Reagan's rolling in his grave. I don't know what else to say.

• 34:23Speaker 06

  We've also backed ourselves into a policy corner because this, the war with Iran, the way that we've prosecuted this war, we've backed ourselves up into this diesel price issue. Because we didn't end the war the way that it could have been ended. You know, we entered this lukewarm phase of tit-for-tat, which is just causing prices to run away. Instead of either not going to war in the first place or having a decisive end to the war, we chose the third option, which is this middle option of just stagnation, which now we are stuck with the diesel price issue at the midterms. And that's causing these choices that the president is making that he otherwise wouldn't even be faced with.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  But Jonathan, it's not even a choice. I mean, it's stupid. No one thinks it actually would work. The other point is that what he's decided to do on the diesel issue with Russia, actually, no one says actually would have any effect on diesel prices. That's the crazy thing. I mean, it's, you know, so it's even just a bad, bad policy. Maybe it's designed to just waive all overall sanctions entirely. I think that's what the whole thing is. But the idea that this would actually have an effect on the price of diesel is nuts. And again, Ukraine war has nothing to do, as you said, with the price of diesel, has to do, everything has to do with Iran. One thing, back to the Iran war, I was talking to someone yesterday, and it was, you know, there's, there's obviously a line of thinking, and Jonathan, you're an Iran expert, so, you

• 35:43Speaker 05

  know, in terms of, you know, we're in this kind of, sort of, you know, I don't know what you want to call it, a hot piece with the notion neither side wants to escalate before the midterms. But there also is a lot of kind of churn out there. And you see movements of assets. There'll be three, you know, about a week before the election, I think there'll be three carriers on station. You do see a flow, an airflow of tankers going back to the region. And there was all these reports that a course of action that has been briefed or will be briefed to the president has to do with this Moab, the mother of all bombs, or basically,

• 36:23Speaker 05

  you know, it's just some giant munitions used in Iran. And so what this individual was telling me was, one of some of the concerns is that actually the escalatory piece, even though neither side wants it, is not what we have all been talking about, which is a possible Iranian terrorist attack. The escalatory piece is misunderstanding. If the Iranians actually think that Trump will or may decide to strike before the midterms, that whole notion of not doing so goes out the door and they might preempt. And there is talk on this. And, you know, if you talk to kind of people in the region, they're, you know, people are speaking about a concern. At first I thought, that's crazy. Why do the Iranians do that?

• 37:05Speaker 05

  But they would do it because they actually may believe incorrectly, but they may believe that Trump might do this before the elections. And so now you have this, this, the escalatory piece is miscalculation based on signals that are misinterpreted. What do you think of that notion as something to worry about?

• 37:23Speaker 06

  Well, it worries me because I look back to Able Archer, 1983, which I encourage listeners to read about. That was the closest we ever came to a nuclear war with Russia. And that was because the US was doing an exercise in Europe, and the Russians interpreted that as a first strike and almost launched a second strike. And the reason I bring that up is because, you know, key goals of intelligence, there are a couple of them. One of them is to reduce strategic surprise, inform decision-makers, and reduce miscalculation. Because you just don't know exactly what's going on on the other side, so you have to make assumptions that are informed. But if you lack access, you're going to make poorly or less than perfect, you know, decisions, poorly shaped decisions. And that could be what exactly you're describing, Mark, because first of all, we lost our access

• 38:08Speaker 06

  to human intelligence sources inside of Iran years ago. We're relying on Mossad, a second-degree actor, to tell us things that has their own interests. So like, that stuff's shaped already before it's reaching our table. We've gutted our own intelligence community. We've lost our ability for intelligence oversight that we used to have. There's less strict analysis going on here, clearly at the top, where things that were low probability but possible are being interpreted as probable and being taken as facts, which is, you know, not a good intelligence analysis outcome. A lot of these things are kind of floating around, reaching a poorly-formed NSC that's basically not functioning to a group of a small, like, half a dozen individuals that are not intelligence professionals or, you know, career politicians coming together and saying, that sounds like a good idea, and just doing it. That's on the US side.

• 38:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 06

  That's not to mention the Iran side, which has recently gutted involuntarily over the last eight months. And you're left with people that perhaps don't have the expertise to even think about these issues at all. Right? So now we have both of those sides in a perfect situation to make a miscalculation, to make a misstep. And the problem is, you could make one small misstep, but to save face, you have to do more things after that, following it, even though you shouldn't and you know you shouldn't do it. And that's for both the US and Iran and other actors in the region. Let's say Israel, who has an election coming up in 10 days, right? So there's a lot of different actors ready to make a lot of mistakes. And I think this is a very sensitive time, especially bringing those aircraft carriers into the region. It does signal something. It sends a message. That's what deterrence is.

• 39:34Speaker 06

  You know, the adversary has to know that the capability is there. They have to know that you're willing to use it. And they have to know what it is and where it is for the deterrence to actually like be ready as a recipe to use. The problem is it can be interpreted too much.

• 39:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right.

• 39:48Speaker 06

  The other side can look at that and say, oh, no, that's not just deterrence, that is a threat. And we need to do something about it. So there's a lot right now kind of simmering, and the temperature could be turned up very rapidly by accident.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  And so, and if, let's say, say the Iranians are, if the Iranians assess we're going to strike before the midterms, they then try, they start making plans to preempt, we pick that up, and then we have to then preempt the Iranian preemptive strike. I mean, so, I mean, it's so easy to see that scenario kind of cascading down. I just hadn't thought about that as much. I was more concerned about, you know, an RAF, you know, the terrorist attack against, like, the RAF base in the UK. If that succeeds, then it's game on.

• 40:29Speaker 05

  Because when you just think about it, the idea that President Trump would actually strike Iran before the midterms is preposterous politically. It makes absolutely no sense. And so, but maybe that just doesn't matter because things can kind of spiral out of control. We'll see.

• 40:46Speaker 06

  Well, there was even that social media post that I don't know how credible it was the other day that said that apparently the Trump administration secretly asked Iran to symbolically strike Pickaxe Mountain, and Iran publicized the request and said no.

• 40:59Speaker 05

  You mean Israel?

• 41:01Speaker 06

  No.

• 41:02Speaker 05

  Iran was gonna strike their own, their own.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  No, we were like, let us hit it, let us hit it symbolically.

• 41:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. So, the reason I mention this as not completely.

• 41:12Speaker 05

  That's why we've done that before with the Iranians.

• 41:13Speaker 06

  That's why I'm saying it is actually believable because we've done it several times in the last five years, actually right after the Soleimani strike was the first time that was made, made public that we did it. And let them strike Al-Assad airbase, like, we've done it, we've allowed both sides to do this, right? So, this isn't totally incredible to me. I mean, there is some degree of possibility.

• 41:31Speaker 05

  God, cynicism.

• 41:32Speaker 06

  But that could also be, that could also be Iran signaling, saying, hey, we see that you're doing things, we're trying to publicly signal that we don't accept it, even if that never happened, even if the President of the United States never sent that message, they could be making this statement as an information operation to try to signal to the US, like, hey, we, we are interpreting what you're doing, and this is our, our potential response to that. And I should also mention that there was a, around a 30-page document that the IRGC published in English, targeting US voters, that they put out to try to make Americans read this thing, and it basically puts out all of the IRGC's policy positions about why Democrats should be reelected and should be elected during the midterms. It's kind of fascinating because it was written, it is by the IRGC, this is not like a US-made thing. But it basically says, like, if you can elect Democrats, this war will be over, and so on, and so on, and so on.

• 42:17Speaker 06

  And it's just kind of an interesting, like, the way the information environment is being used right now, it's very fascinating to look at.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  You would think the IRGC would know better than to send out a 36-page thing for Americans to read, because you know that they haven't fucking read it.

• 42:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:30Speaker 05

  I know, really? Right.

• 42:31Speaker 06

  Well, they're relying on us to interpret it, and they listen to what we say.

• 42:33Speaker 04

  Makes sense.

• 42:35Speaker 05

  But, so, so here's the bottom line on all this. You know, I had to do a, I did a little corporate gig, where I got paid some money to talk to some, some corporate clients about what I thought would happen in the Middle East, and I don't know if I was very good, because I said, I just said, I don't know. I don't, I mean, what, how do you put any percentages on this? Yeah, I, you know, it's, there's, there's so many unknowns, you have a wild card, you have wild card in the Iranian leadership, you have a wild card in our office, in, in the White House, you have external factors like the Israelis, I mean, it's, to assess this situation, I would just say, you know, just continue on with left of boom planning, because, you know, it could happen. But at the end of the day, it's very hard to figure out, you know, what's, what's going

• 43:17Speaker 05

  on here, and I kind of laugh when I, when I hear people make some kind of strong predictions, because that's just, you're going down a bad road doing that.

• 43:25Speaker 06

  Well, I actually was at, giving a lecture this week, and one thing I mentioned was, someone asked the audience, you know, very similar question, like, oh, what's going to happen, how's it going to end? And I said, I don't know, also, I don't know. But I said, there are no straight lines in nature, and when you look on a map, if there is a straight line on a map, like, between Iraq and Syria, for example, or between Jordan and Syria, you can probably imagine that the conflict is not over yet, while there is still a straight line on that map. Because that, that means that some third party put that line there, the people that have those countries did not draw those lines, which means there's some unsettled challenge here, or challenges, that has yet to be resolved. And until that is resolved, through violence, diplomacy, something else, you're going to continue seeing that.

• 44:07Speaker 06

  And I actually raised the issue of Libya and Chad, because if you look at the border between Libya and Chad, it's hundreds of kilometers of a straight line over the desert, completely unenforceable at all. And there are many conflicts back and forth over this territory, because it's an unresolved, imposed, third-party straight line.

• 44:22Speaker 05

  There is no straight line in nature, might be the, might be the thing I, I take from this, I'm gonna, I'm gonna borrow this from Jonathan.

• 44:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's why camouflage works.

• 44:31Speaker 05

  Like that.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Um, little bit, not really off-topic, but, uh, what do you, what do you guys take, make of, uh, the Israeli settlers beating the shit out of the foreign delegation?

• 44:43Speaker 05

  I mean, that's something that, you know, is continuously catastrophic for Israel's reputation. The West Bank is out of control. Uh, I think, uh, uh, in the Israeli kind of internal electoral dynamics, um, uh, you know, there's been people who I think have been very smartly condemning this, including the Israeli president. Netanyahu can't, um, and I think that's what certainly ultimately disqualifies him as a, as a leader, but elections are coming out, and guess what just happened? Like, as, you know, you guys, I, I got the, I got the stink eye from Dee, because my phone went off. Trump just endorsed Netanyahu, so, there you go. So, that's, I, I actually, like, want to turn my phone off right now.

• 45:27Speaker 05

  But, but, uh, no, that was egregious, and that can't happen, the West Bank is out of control. There is, you know, the settler terrorism there, uh, it is, it is wrong, it is immoral, it's also incredibly stupid, as support for Israel is cratering internationally. I mean, what else to say about this? And Netanyahu is responsible, period. You know, you can't have vigilantes running around there, and, uh, and so, you know, nothing, nothing else to say, other than, this cannot happen, it's, it's, simple as that, horrible.

• 45:57Speaker 06

  I think, actually, using the word terrorism is actually great right now, because who, who uses this word in the West Bank narrative? Look at who says this over time, it's very fascinating to see, like, when is it, when is it okay in the mainstream to call settler violence terrorism? There are, there are moments in time when this is true, and moments when it's not, when it's not true. Right now, actually, Ambassador Huckabee, not the most, you know, anti-Israel figure we have in the US government, mentioned that it was terrorism. I thought that was a very interesting thing to see, that he decided to say that publicly, and also, the opposition party, the main opposition party to Likud, is calling it terrorism, as are former Defense Ministry individuals in Israel that are not running for office.

• 46:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:40Speaker 06

  So, so there's a lot of, of vocal opposition in Israel to this behavior, and again, remember back in 2023, before October 7th, there was a lot of opposition to exactly these types of policies that enabled West Bank settler violence to happen in the first place, especially with, you know, Smotrich and other fellows that were very pro-West Bank settler behavior. So, I think that's kind of, you know, what do we have, 10 days until the election there?

• 47:05Speaker 05

  Nine.

• 47:05Speaker 06

  I think the nine days, these things are not fortuitous, you know, this has been going on for a while, and the fact that it's only now becoming a controversy is kind of sad.

• 47:15Speaker 05

  Well, they've been beating up Palestinians, which is horrible, but they're, they're beating up foreign diplomats in CNN.

• 47:20Speaker 06

  Well, they also, they also beat up an American citizen journalist that had journalists on her shirt, and broke her arm, and it broke her back, you know?

• 47:26Speaker 05

  That's like the CNN crew, yep. So, yeah. Yeah, we'll see what happens in, in nine days. I mean, if, if you, you know, the, I think the future of US international support for Israel is at stake, um, they got to get this shit under control, so.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  What are the polls looking like?

• 47:43Speaker 05

  It's very complicated, you know, who knows? I mean, it, it should be a referendum on October 7th, um, but the Israeli electorate certainly tilted towards the right, I mean, it's, it could be kind of a, there might be a requirement for coalition governments, I mean, if, if, so we'll just, you know, we'll see, I don't even know if we're going to find out that next, the next day or not, but it's going to be close, and let's, I mean, I, the reason why my, I was distracted is, like, now I was thinking, like, all right, what does Trump's endorsement of Bibi actually mean? Now, Trump is enormously popular, or was enormously popular in, in Israel, Bibi has been desperate for this endorsement, uh, but, you know, we'll, uh, we'll see. By the way, what the fuck is the US president endorsing foreign leaders for?

• 48:27Speaker 05

  Like, my head's gonna explode, but anyway, that's, I mean, we're so.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  I mean, this isn't exactly like a normal American president, I think that's safe to say.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  What are we doing here? Are you kidding me?

• 48:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that's totally, I mean, I try to wonder what you guys would be thinking, like, working, I know you've mentioned it a little bit, like.

• 48:41Speaker 05

  I would have, I would have resigned, I would have quit.

• 48:43Speaker 04

  Really?

• 48:43Speaker 05

  Yes, I could not serve this government, I'm sorry, people could be pissed at me. You know, now, I would not say that if I was a, you know, a GS12 case officer, um, but in a position I, I would have had right now, it would have been very senior, and I could not have done that. It's just, you're, you're too close to the totem pole, um, and so, people don't leave because they say we have to try to protect the institutions, but I think at this point, I could not represent us at a senior level. Uh, but what am I supposed to say? Because, by the way, if you tell the truth, you know, it's going to get back to Washington, and if you're sitting there lying, your interlocutors are going to think you got a dick grown out of your forehead. Now, if I was a, you know, a GS, you know, 11 or 12 case officer on the ground in XYZ country, I'd put my head down and probably try to keep going, but at, at a senior, at

• 49:27Speaker 05

  a senior level, the level that I was, I would not, I would have retired. And that's why all my friends have retired, everybody's gone. Not, I mean, it's not, I, I don't know anybody, essentially, who's left. Um, and when they leave, there's a giant sigh of relief, because this is just completely, and, and these are, these are, you know, three-quarters of these people I'm talking about have voted Republican their whole life.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, they're working for the CIA, like.

• 49:50Speaker 05

  Jonathan, what, what would you have done? If you were still.

• 49:53Speaker 06

  Well, I did retire, I mean, I retired the very day that, that started, so, um, and I was overseas. Yeah, well, I mean, the thing is, like, when you're sitting in a room, and you're saying, why are we doing this?

• 50:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:04Speaker 06

  And, and the we includes you making the policy execution choice, that's when exactly this decision that you're talking about, Mark, has to be made, because there are guys, lower level guys, like, you know, when I was a staff sergeant in Afghanistan, I would say, like, why are they making these policies? But there's a time when it's not they anymore, it's we. And, and that's, that, that's a blurry transition period, but there is a time when you are there at the table, and you're actually making the execution choice, and that's when you, that's when you have to make a decision, like, am I part of this problem, or am I going to step outside of it?

• 50:35Speaker 05

  We used to be the good guys, I mean, I hate, you know, listeners, viewers are going to hate this, but, and, and we can be in the future. This is, this, this is a, this is a giant anal war on the United States, what's happening right now. Dee likes that, don't you, the view of the anal war?

• 50:48Speaker 04

  That was a good analogy.

• 50:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, but, and, and, and it can be cured with some.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  Ointment.

• 50:55Speaker 05

  Drugs. But, I mean, but, you know, so, and we can get back to the idea of American exceptionalism, and, you know, there's, there's things that we can do in the future to, you know, it's going to take a while to build back, but, um, and this could be under a Republican administration, but we've got to get over this current one, because this is just beyond the pale in so many ways.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Yep. So there's going to be a lot going on over the next week. I'm sure this story is just starting out too. Also, an interesting little fact is they put out the Trump administration did put out the executive order, like the press release for the executive order, like on Friday afternoon, which is like, take the trash out day. So in terms of like media.

• 51:32Speaker 05

  No, D, though, I'm retired, so I never pay attention to those things. Every day is kind of a Friday afternoon for me.

• 51:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

• 51:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know. It's a Friday. What day is today? Now it's Sunday. I gotta go pick. I bought a new suit. I actually, I didn't have a suit. I have to go to a couple weddings coming up. So I actually bought us, I gave away all my suits when I retired. I went and bought a suit.

• 51:51Speaker 04

  Well, now, yeah, you lost weight too. So you gotta get something nice and custom made.

• 51:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. So I'm very excited. I'm gonna go pick it up at the mall right now.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Also, fun fact, Mark did pay for our lunch at Vienna Inn the other day.

• 52:03Speaker 05

  I did, I did.

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Cause me and Jack were down in AUSA.

• 52:07Speaker 05

  I went back yesterday, too.

• 52:09Speaker 04

  A place rules. I was very impressed. I loved it. I'm a former restaurant guy. So like, once you see a restaurant that's packed at 12 p.m., at noon on a Wednesday, I'm shocked. You know, it's a good restaurant and people like going to it.

• 52:23Speaker 05

  Yep. You saw the hat I wore in Afghanistan up on the wall.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  Yep, we got a couple, a little bit of merch.

• 52:28Speaker 05

  A couple little bling courtesy of the VI. They gave you some T-shirts to walk away with, right?

• 52:33Speaker 04

  And that's the Vienna Inn hat I've always had.

• 52:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 04

  Right there.

• 52:37Speaker 05

  But I think, but they give you a free T-shirt, too.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  I know. I felt, I felt appreciated.

• 52:42Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  All right, boys. Anything else? We did it all. All right. Do us a favor. Check out John's books right there. I ain't shadow weapons and the theory of a regular war. Those links are in the description. Mark P, of course, all those links are in the description. Go to Patreon, patreon.com slash the team house. And that's it. Thank you, guys.

• 53:03Speaker 05

  Thank you, guys.

• 53:06Speaker 04

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