Manus AI replaces your AI tech stack? (Full Demo)

I’m joined by Min Choi to test if Manus AI can replace your AI tech stack. Throughout the episode, we test Manus AI's capabilities by asking it to create a DocuSign clone, research startup ideas, and analyze website SEO. Timestamps: • 00:00 - Intro • 02:18 - What is Manus AI? • 03:58 - Project 1: DocuSign clone • 16:54 - Project 2: Research Greg’s top startup ideas • 27:09 - Security concerns with Manus AI • 30:16 - Manus bug and reboot • 32:06 - Deploying DocuSign Clone • 39:42 - Project 3: SEO Optimization • 44:14 - Discussion of Manus’s Limitations and Scaling issues • 48:23 - Project 4: Build a Flight Simulator Video Game • 49:48 - AI companies facing scaling issues • 52:05 - Where does Manus excel? • 53:48 - What Manus was able to accomplish during the episode Key Points: • Testing Manus AI by asking it to autonomously research, plan, and execute complex tasks • Having Manus create a DocuSign clone, research startup ideas, and analyze website SEO • Manus AI functions as a multi-agent system that can browse websites, write code, and deploy applications with minimal prompting • The tool has limitations including context windows, deployment issues, and daily usage limits 1) What makes Manus AI different? Unlike ChatGPT or Claude, Manus is a TRUE AGENT system that: • Researches, plans, and executes simultaneously • Controls browsers to gather information autonomously • Creates full applications from simple prompts • Deploys working code with minimal guidance "It's the closest thing to AGI yet" - Min Choi 2) The DocuSign Clone Experiment With just a 4-WORD PROMPT ("create a DocuSign clone"), Manus: • Researched DocuSign's core features • Created a complete project structure • Built login, document upload & e-signature functionality • Generated deployable code All without templates or boilerplate code! 3) Human-in-the-loop capabilities One of the MOST IMPRESSIVE features: • You can interrupt Manus WHILE it's working • Refine requirements mid-process • Add constraints or pivot direction When they narrowed focus to "just e-signature features," Manus immediately adjusted its plan without starting over. 4) Multi-agent workflow Manus feels like having MULTIPLE EMPLOYEES working simultaneously: • A researcher gathering information • A PM creating specifications • A developer writing code • A marketer analyzing opportunities It's like an entire team in one tool! 5) Beyond coding: Marketing & Growth Manus can also: • Analyze websites for SEO improvements • Target specific audiences (like executives) • Create content strategies • Scrape data for market research It's not just about building - it's about GROWING your business too. 6) Current limitations Manus isn't perfect (yet): • Context length limitations on complex tasks • Deployment issues with sophisticated apps • Daily usage limits (currently ~10 sessions) • Server load causing errors as popularity grows It's still beta, but even with limitations, it's REVOLUTIONARY. 7) Security considerations Since Manus is a Chinese company, there are valid concerns: • Be mindful of what data you share • Don't connect personal accounts or payment systems • Use for learning & experimentation Min's advice: "Always be careful with the data you share online." The BIG TAKEAWAY: We're witnessing a fundamental shift in how businesses will be built. What used to take weeks now takes MINUTES. What required TEAMS now needs just ONE PERSON with AI. This is just the beginning of the agent AI revolution. Notable Quotes: "I think that we're getting closer and closer to sort of the glimpse into what the AGI is gonna look like." - Min Choi "It feels like we have like four employees working at the same time... We've got this marketing person. We've got this researcher. We've got this cracked PM slash developer." - Greg Isenberg Want more free ideas? I collect the best ideas from the pod and give them to you for free in a database. Most of them cost $0 to start (my fav) Get access: https://www.gregisenberg.com/30startupideas LCA helps Fortune 500s and fast-growing startups build their future - from Warner Music to Fortnite to Dropbox. We turn 'what if' into reality with AI, apps, and next-gen products https://latecheckout.agency/ BoringAds — ads agency that will build you profitable ad campaigns http://boringads.com/ BoringMarketing — SEO agency and tools to get your organic customers http://boringmarketing.com/ Startup Empire - a membership for builders who want to build cash-flowing businesses https://www.startupempire.co FIND ME ON SOCIAL X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/gregisenberg Instagram: https://instagram.com/gregisenberg/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisenberg/ FIND MIN ON SOCIAL X/Twitter: https://x.com/minchoi

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• 0:00Greg Isenberg?

  Everyone's talking about Manus AI, the Chinese AI app that basically can take your thoughts, turn your ideas into fully automated businesses and products. Now, I wanted to try this, but I didn't have access. So I called my friend Min Choi, who came on the podcast, and we had a crazy idea. Can we build a business? Actually, the idea was a DocuSign killer, a multi-billion dollar business in a few prompts. And in this episode, we go through it. And we show you the ups, we show you the downs, we show you what's good about Manus, we show you what's bad about Manus.

• 0:43Greg Isenberg?

  But if you're here, if you care about AI, if you care about building businesses, understanding how Manus works is a must. I was so impressed with some of the stuff it was doing, and I was so not impressed with some of the other stuff it was doing. This video shows you all about that, the good, the bad, the ugly. I recommend you watch the entire episode and you make the judgment call for if you can go and create a business fully automated with a few prompts on Manus AI that generates $1,000 per day. Enjoy the episode.

• 1:31Greg Isenberg?

  All right, I brought on Min Choi today. Min has been going viral recently because he's been playing around with Manus AI. And he's going to give us a first look into how to use Manus to actually build a business that works for you. Min, thanks for taking the time on coming on the show. What is the viewer, the listener? What are they going to get out of this episode by listening all the way through? So thanks for having me, Greg. This is a very...

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Exciting podcast to join. It's my first time, so thank you. So this Manus has been going viral and very crazy in China and it just like came over like just a few days ago. And I got an invite so that I can go play with it and I realized that this thing is just more than the the typical AI that we've been seeing. And the thing that is different with this is that we've had attempt in the past that we want to make this agent to AI where the AI can actually go and like run tasks and run tools. And as you've seen on like cloud computer use and browser use and similar to that.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  And this is sort of like more advanced, the next stage of that. I think that we're getting closer and closer to sort of the glimpse into what the AGI is gonna look like. So what I wanna show you today is that I wanna take some of you, some of your startup ideas, Greg. And I wanna see how far Manus AI can take it. And we're gonna try to do this, you know, step by step and in a very like a process oriented way. And we wanna see if this thing can really like help entrepreneurs or startup owners to really kickstart their ideas into action.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  And I think that that this will show like what this type of technology can do for us in terms of growing a business.

• 3:35Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, let's, let's see. I mean, I'm curious. This is my first time getting a glimpse of Manus. I hear, I hear big things. So yeah, let's just, let's get right into it.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's start with some of your great ideas. I think that one of the thing that I read recently from your post was something about Doc design. I think Doc design may be a little bit. Complex, but let's give it a shot and see what Manus can do for us.

• 4:08Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, and while you pull that up, my thought on DocuSign Min was basically that what's happening is, you know, DocuSign makes, I think, like billions of dollars or something, thousands of employees for electronic signature. And with AI, it's going to just be a lot easier to create software. We'll see by the end of this episode to compete with, you know, the DocuSigns of the world. And instead of charging $10 a seat or whatever they charge, you'll be able to make it free or charge just a very small amount. So I think that there's an opportunity to build. I mean, I think multiple people could do this, can make about, you know,

• 4:49Greg Isenberg?

  at least $1,000 a day in revenue. And so I'm excited to see if this could work. All right, so what do we, it says, hello, Min, what can I do for you?

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, so this is a very familiar interface that we see all the time. You know, ChatGPT kind of had this type of interface and everyone else kind of start copying that interface design. So Manus also has a similar, you know, you got a little chat window with the, you speak with the agent. So you just kind of simply say what you want. And I like to start very simple request, like, you know, let's say, create a DocuSign clone.

• 5:36Greg Isenberg?

  Quick break in the pod to tell you a little bit about Startup Empire. So Startup Empire is my private membership where it's a bunch of people like me, like you, who want to build out their startup ideas. Now they're looking for content to help accelerate that. They're looking for potential co-founders. They're looking for tutorials from people like me to come in and tell them, how do you do email marketing? How do you build an audience? How do you go viral on Twitter? All these different things. That's exactly what Startup Empire is. And it's for people who want to start a startup but are looking for ideas, or it's for people who have a startup, but just they're not seeing the traction that they need.

• 6:21Greg Isenberg?

  So you can check out the link to startupempire.co in the description.

• 6:27Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, so simple, like a super simple request.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Yep, very simple. Yeah, I start by there. The cool thing about this is that Manus is sort of a multi-agent under the hood. And it's got like planner, executor, that type of thing. And if you remember, like, very early in the days, when we used to have this thing called Baby AGI by Yogi, I don't know if you remember.

• 6:56Greg Isenberg?

  I do.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  That kind of used to have that sort of that setup where you had like a task creator and like an executor and et cetera. So this thing does a similar thing. And then what it's gonna do is it's gonna, it's gonna take your request and then it's gonna try to research into what that is and what it needs to do to create it. So even giving a simple request is doing many things like on its own. Like it's planning, it's designing, it's executing, and it's gonna try to run things and then analyze the results and then try to kind of replan or update as needed if it's doing, if it's going the right way. So you will see a lot of things, there's a lot going on.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  It's doing a lot of planning, a lot of researching right now. So it's doing, you know, sort of the Googling right now under the hood. And then it also checks out their website. I think it takes, it also takes screenshots and it tries to do stuff on it. I did like run into one, one interesting thing before was that it got stuck on like captions and stuff. And I thought that was kind of funny and it wanted me to like kind of intervene and like do something with it. So it has some sort of the human in the loop feature in there as well. So it will ask you for confirmation or, you know, additional contacts as needed.

• 8:25Greg Isenberg?

  So this is, so this is interesting. So if I'm understanding this correctly, you know, before Manus, you kind of had to go to a bunch of different places. I call it the AI cocktail approach. So you would go to maybe a ChatGPT.

• 8:42Greg Isenberg?

  Or a Grok 3 to kind of come up with the idea and create a PRD. And then you'd go to V0 to actually design what it would look like. And then you'd go to, you know, a Bolt, a Lovable, a Cursor, depending where you are. And you know, in terms of technical prowess to actually go and build the idea and deploy it.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:03Greg Isenberg?

  What you're saying here is what's happening on the screen is it's kind of doing all those things at the same time.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  Exactly. Yeah, it's actually, what it's doing is it creates a sandbox, like a virtual sandbox of its own. And it, it runs like, you know, command line executions, it runs a browser, runs the tools. What you see on the right is right now it's browsing and just capturing stuff, capturing information. I think it's what, what it's doing is crawling it, it's scraping all the data and information it can get. So since I said DocuSign, it goes to DocuSign and it checks out like, you know, type of information and the feature the product has. And then it will probably test it out and see like what feature that it can capture as part of its plan.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  So, and remember like we just started with this very simple to say just go create me a DocuSign clone. And it's now just going there and doing its own thing. And it's just pretty, pretty wild to see that where we are with this agency AI. It's able to kind of do most of this task on its own, understands your request. And if it doesn't have all the information, it goes and research on its own. And I think that's like the key to a lot of this. And like you said, that we've had many AI tools that we had to use like separately. And we've done a lot of copy paste in between. Now, a lot of that has improved a lot with under Cursor, Lovable, you know, Replit and all that.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  But this is a little bit different because it does more than just coding. It actually does the research. It actually goes to the browser and actually catch, captures.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  The information from there directly. And then it takes all that context into his planning. And then it formulates a plan of execution and then it goes and executes them. But this is a very interesting way. Now, what you see on the right side of the markup.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  The way he has that markup. This reminds me like a lot from like the baby AGI days. Baby AGI used to kind of do this in the command line where it shows like its planning phase and all that stuff. And I thought this was interesting. So it's doing like step by step on what it needs to do to create this DocuSign clone. And that's all I said, just go get, create me a DocuSign clone. And it's getting all of that information and it's planning, replanning and executing. So it's very interesting to see and it takes, it's gonna take a couple of minutes to get to the end. And also sometimes the AS task as it's needed. It may have missed something like in the process of doing this.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  So yeah, there's gonna be a lot going on on the, on the, on the screen now. But it's, it's gonna be pretty interesting what it comes up with.

• 11:58Greg Isenberg?

  So have you ever had an instance where you're like, create this app? And you're looking at maybe like the markdown? Like, for example, if you, you know, if you go back to the markdown, can you go back to the markdown? While it's or it's?

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you could like look at the to do's.

• 12:18Greg Isenberg?

  Oh, wow.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  That, that, that markdown was just like a, it's actually the raw source code, but this is the preview, so.

• 12:26Greg Isenberg?

  Cool. So I'm actually gonna read a little bit of this because we do have a lot of listeners on Spotify and Apple for this Startup Ideas podcast. So it says here, research DocuSign core features, identify key functionality to implement document, user flows and technical requirements. Now.

• 12:46Greg Isenberg?

  There could be a case where you're like, whoa, you know, I don't want you to do XYZ. I don't want you to identify the key functionalities. I just want you to, you know, maybe only focus on this one feature.

• 13:00Greg Isenberg?

  Is there, have you ever asked Manus to do something and then kind of said like, oh, I made a mistake or you did something wrong? Is that?

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can actually talk to it in its middle of its progress. So which key functionality do you want to limit this to?

• 13:18Greg Isenberg?

  Well, it's a great question. I'm going to pull up the DocuSign website right now.

• 13:27Greg Isenberg?

  Cause it looks like when I'm on the DocuSign website, it looks like there's, they've created a lot of different products at this point. So like, for example, they have the e-signature product, the payments product they identify. All I care about is the e-signature product. So I just want to confirm that we're only talking about the e-signature product.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  So let's only focus on the e-signature key functionalities.

• 13:52Greg Isenberg?

  Yes.

• 13:55Greg Isenberg?

  That's cool. That's a really, that's actually a really helpful feature. Cause like, if you're using ChatGPT, for example, it's, it's in thinking mode. And when it's in thinking mode, you're kind of twirling your thumbs unless you stop it and then ask it to do something.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is, this is probably the one of the coolest feature that I've noticed on this particular product is that I can interrupt it in between without it like, you know, stopping its work that is going to try to, as you see here, it's going to say, I understand you want to focus specifically on the e-signature key functionalities. And it will adjust the approach to prioritize the core e-signature feature of DocuSign. So and then it says, let me continue in setting up the product structure with this focus in mind. So that's, this is like one of, one of the coolest feature that I've seen on this that you can actually kind of as sort of a human in the loop, like interrupt the process to readjust the planning or the setup.

• 14:53Greg Isenberg?

  That's cool. I also just noticed that like, it's very clean. Like I feel, I feel like I understand what's going on. Like it's very pleasant to the eyes.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of the, a lot of the demos that I've seen, most people just kind of kick this off and just kind of walk away and then just. Have a coffee or snack or lunch and just come back and just check like, you know, where is that? So it's kind of funny. And I know you've seen those videos like with the guy, with the person that's on a Tesla driving. And, you know, the person is on his way to some coffee meeting and like, oh, you know, create, create me some, you know, talking points for this coffee meeting. And it's just kind of driving zone and the Tesla FSC is driving him. And also, uh, Manus AI is preparing his, you know, meeting notes. This is kind of funny.

• 15:44Greg Isenberg?

  We'll include that video so people could see that.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 15:48Greg Isenberg?

  We'll, we'll show that video on screen.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't like that video that much because uh, it, it just feel like, I don't know what's going on other than I see a car and then screen. The screen's kind of small, so I don't, I don't think there's doing anything. But I, I thought it was kind of cool. Just the fact that he was doing it, I, I think it was cool.

• 16:07Greg Isenberg?

  How long is the, you know, how long do you anticipate this taking? Is it like gonna be 10, 15 minutes, 20 minutes?

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Um, depends. Um, you know, if, if it's something very simple, like a lot, some of the research stuff, it actually doesn't take that long. Um, so I, I've done a, a research, uh, to say, buy me all the research, uh, on this particular topic. And it'll go and just, uh, do, do, does this Googling and searching and then it'll find it and then just kind of bring the report. Just like, very similar to, you know, the deep research and the deep search, et cetera. So while this is running, you know, what we can do is, uh, start a new session and say, let's get like top, um, Greg's startup ideas and see which is the most viable to run on Manus while, while, while it's doing the Daxon. How's that?

• 16:55Greg Isenberg?

  Beautiful. Yeah. I think, I think for me, it's, it's, it's most viable to run on Manus, but also the one with the, what does Manus think has the highest probability of success? So I'm interested to know, I'm interested to see like, what is, how intelligent is Manus? Right? Like, is, on this show, on the Startup Ideas Podcast, I've given away, I don't know, a thousand plus ideas. And the reality is some ideas aren't that good. Some ideas are good and some ideas are really good.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Yep. Yep.

• 17:26Greg Isenberg?

  And it's really, it's really, it's really the listener, today it's the, the humans, the listeners who have to figure out, okay, this is a really good idea. Or you know what? Greg had too much wine and I don't know what he was thinking when he came, when he shared that idea.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  You know, you have some really great, great ones. I, I'm surprised that people haven't taken some of those ideas and put it into, you know, put those ideas to work, you know, with all this AI tools.

• 17:51Greg Isenberg?

  They do, but a lot of them just DM, like they're, they're like, they keep it to themselves and they just DM me and they're like, I built this thing and it's doing like,

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:00Greg Isenberg?

  It's crushing it.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  I, I guess if this was, you know, so easy, then everyone will be all like rich, right?

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Alright, so I asked, I asked Manus while it's doing its Doc design, um, creation to research into your startup ideas and the top, and top ideas that Manus think has the highest potential.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  That's what he comes up with and see if we can have some actionable, uh, you know, startup ideas that we can also ask you to create while it's doing the Doc design creation.

• 18:34Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, I have an, an edit to this prompt. Sorry to do this to you, Min.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 18:39Greg Isenberg?

  But, uh, I would say, I think we should ask for ideas specifically that I've shared on X and ideas that I've shared on the Startup Ideas Podcast and the Greg Isenberg YouTube channel. I think we should just, uh, qualify that we, that's where we want. Or what do you think? Should we, should we qualify it or should we just let Manus figure it out?

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Let's, uh, let, let's have Manus figure it out.

• 19:08Greg Isenberg?

  Alright, yeah.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  The thing with, the thing with this type of agency AI that I like is that, um, the, it's easier to start with. Uh, if you notice like on the other AI tools, uh, people's, people are running into issues because they don't know where to start. They don't know how to ask and you know, they, they're not maybe not as good at prompting or have templates and et cetera to, you know, get their ideas across, but.

• 19:38Greg Isenberg?

  Could you click the browser by the way? Sorry, could you, could you click the browser? Like, can it go more full screen? Okay, wow. So this is a, actually, so this is, it's on our, it's on my holding company's website right now, which is by the way insane. I'm, I'm surprised.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  It's checking out your, it's checking you out, so.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  It's gonna crawl through your site and just check out what you got and you know, grab as much information as possible.

• 20:06Greg Isenberg?

  I'm just surprised honestly that it knows how to navigate the website because it's like we created a world so it's kind of like confusing.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's using a tool called I believe it's Puppeteer, which is like an automation tool. So it automates browser tasks. It's a tool that's been around for a while in test automation world. So, and it's using that to do a lot of these things. It's similar to like what browser use and you know, cloud computer uses.

• 20:42Greg Isenberg?

  Interesting.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, see, I just have your name and you're just a very broad ask and it just goes into this research mode to kind of find out about you that now it's going to your Twitter.

• 21:01Greg Isenberg?

  That's crazy, but it doesn't have a

• 21:02Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, I shouldn't say Twitter, X.

• 21:04Greg Isenberg?

  Right. It doesn't have an X account though, right? So it can only see a couple, a few of my tweets. Oh, wow. So it knew to click because in my, in my bio, it says,

• 21:14Speaker 01

  In your bio, yeah.

• 21:15Greg Isenberg?

  It says click for free startup ideas. It knew to click that. Wow, that's crazy.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a different type of agent, agent to AI, I would say. And I know you, I know there has been a lot of thing going on, just like the other day that people found out that you know, Manus AI is really under the hood running like Claude.

• 21:40Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was a lot of meme going around talking about how, yeah, this is just a rapper and et cetera. That may be, and that may be very oversimplifying it, I think. What they've done is create like a whole framework under the hood. I believe is that they got a, you know, army of agents under the hood with many different fine tuned AI models that it's using for specific tasks. That, and that that's why it's doing what it's doing. And I think it's, they're, they're, they've done a really good job in my opinion in terms of doing, have this, you know, type of setup of AI that can do all of these tasks and use all these tools and

• 22:23Speaker 01

  And you're more, you know, less of a, it's less of a hassle for anyone to kind of start using this. Because you don't know what to ask sometimes. You just kind of have this question and you're thinking, you throw a simple question and you're not going to get like the information that you want. But this goes like step beyond that. It actually like, look at what you saw. It will just crawl to your site, check out your bio, check out your websites and try to understand you as much as can and try to grab all the startup ideas that you have. And it says it visited your personal website, checked out your social media profiles. It's got a little to do checklist that it goes through and it actually

• 23:07Speaker 01

  goes and does it. So that, which is kind of, you know, remarkable on where we are with these kind of tools. And I think this will help people who are non-technical. And I think that, you know, AI tool like Manus AI will help close that gap. I think a lot of people were just kind of, I don't know where to start. You know, I'm sure they watched all your podcasts and all other people's, you know, YouTube videos. But some people still seem very lost is what I noticed. And they're always like asking questions like, how, what do I, where do I start? Like, what can I do? You know, how do I ask? How do I prompt? What template to use? It's sometimes it's just a bit too much for some, a lot

• 23:48Speaker 01

  of the, you know, non-technical folks. But I think that this closes that gap.

• 23:53Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, I mean, it's non-technical and it's also like, this is onerous and a lot of work to go and do all this stuff. So if you can have Manus running, you know, during the day while you're working, or even if it works at night too. I mean, any, anytime, I guess. It just seems like it could help you, even if, I mean, it could help you come up with the ideas that you want to do and then put it out in the world, allegedly. Let's see if it actually could do it. By the way, I just heard my doorbell ring and I was like, my first reaction is like, is Manus, is Manus at my door? Is Manus just like coming? You know, Manus is like you?

• 24:33Speaker 01

  That'll be pretty wild. Like now a robot shows up at your door and, you know, hey, I want to ask you a couple of questions about your startup ideas. That'll be crazy.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  I feel like this guy's like stuck here.

• 24:48Greg Isenberg?

  Collecting Greg Isenberg's startup ideas from his podcast, YouTube channel and website. Maybe it's just like a lot of.

• 24:55Greg Isenberg?

  That's a lot.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Let's see, let's see what happens. I feel like he's stuck.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Because typically, when I see using browser, I'll see like, you know, navigation in the browser.

• 25:08Greg Isenberg?

  Oh, right.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was doing that before and now it looks like it's just stopped, so.

• 25:13Greg Isenberg?

  Could we ask Madness, are you stuck?

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's ask that. Let's check out your videos too.

• 25:20Greg Isenberg?

  Maybe Madness is like, I don't want to give this, these guys.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  Ask him.

• 25:25Greg Isenberg?

  The startup ideas, I'm gonna go and like build these myself. I don't want to, are you stuck? Are you stuck, bro?

• 25:33Greg Isenberg?

  Wow, there we go. Okay, so it says, I'm not stuck.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  He pointed a finger to YouTube page.

• 25:38Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, okay, blaming YouTube. Okay, Madness, my dog ate my homework too. Let me continue researching Greg Eisenberg's startup ideas from multiple sources and compile lists of his most promising concepts. I'll focus on gathering specific startup ideas. Okay.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Let's check back on DocuSign, see where he's, where's, see where he's at.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  So he's creating the app now. So another cool thing about this is that you don't have to have a

• 26:07Speaker 01

  like a project structure, as you see on other tools, like where, you know, people say, go clone this, you know, template, you know, this boilerplate code and you can use that to build your app and have

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Cursor and, you know, Winserve and other tools to, you know, build that for you because, because their template is more optimized, it's already like skipped a lot of steps. So you don't have to like ask Cursor to do it for you. And this one, you don't have to do anything at all. You just kind of say, just go ahead and create me this app and it'll just create its own project structure and everything.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Now, I know it's similar to what, you know, Curse and Windserve does as well. But it's just another easy, easier step for people who wants to get started with this kind of tool.

• 26:57Greg Isenberg?

  How worried are you that this is going to Chinese servers? And how do you think, how should people think about that?

• 27:04Speaker 01

  How is it gonna turn out?

• 27:06Greg Isenberg?

  No, like, I know that Manus is a Chinese company, right?

• 27:11Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 27:12Greg Isenberg?

  So there is some concerns with people around, you know, having a Chinese, like giving data to Chinese companies. Should people be worried about that? How do people think about the fact that this is a Chinese company, not an American company?

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think that there is a valid concern that, around that. I think the, one of the biggest things is that if you are a Chinese company, I think you're obligated, obligated to give access to the government. So because of that reason, and I know people are very reluctant to use this. And, and I think, you know, again, it's a valid concern. And I'm a huge, you know, security, data safety person, privacy. So I don't, I don't want people to go and like just start throwing any personal information and give any, any kind of stuff on these kind of tools. But at the same time, I want them to see where other, you know, competitions are at.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  You know, we, we don't know our competitions, that we're gonna be behind. And I think that, again, this is a lot, some people are calling this the second deep-seak moment for China. And, I mean, we're starting to see a lot of that lately. And I think that we need to get ahead of ourselves in these kind of tools. And I, we, we have the technologies. We just didn't have someone to put the technologies all together and package it like what Manus has done. And then it's good that they have done it. And now that we know, you know, what can and, you know, cannot be done. And I'm sure there will be many US companies that's now, you know, going out there and trying to.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  You know, build something very similar to this tool, which is great. And I think that, you know, we need, we need options. We need, you know, different alternatives. And I know there are already several open source projects that popped up that builds around what Manus has done. So I think that's great. And I'm a, I'm a huge open source supporter and I, I use open source for almost everything. So I think that, you know, this, there's, there's nothing wrong with, you know, using the tool that is located in China. Just be very careful and mindful of, you know, what type of data that you give to and, and give access to. Cause it, some, some of these may ask you on certain things and you don't, you don't have to give those informations. Just keep it vague, just, you know, do simple stuff like try it out, like go clone this website or something.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  And just kind of see how the tool works and what you can get out of it. I think that's the important thing, the learning. You know, I'm, I'm a lifelong learner, so I'm always trying out new tools and trying out new technologies. So people should not be scared to try them out, but be, always be mindful of the data that they share.

• 30:00Greg Isenberg?

  Cool, that's fair. Yeah, I mean, all right, let's, uh, let's see where we're at with, uh, the Greg Isenberg startup ideas.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's, he's still stuck trying to collect the data about you, so. And this happens, um, it's, it's not like perfect. It's in, it's still in beta, um, there are a lot of, uh, errors still. But it's still cool to see that how he was browsing your websites and all that stuff, which is neat. And you can go back and you can go back and see what it was doing and, you know, all the search that it got. It found your website, your, your X page, your YouTube channel, your LinkedIn, your Instagram. So it's scraping all your social media profiles and checking you out, basically. Cause they want to understand you and you want, I mean, cause I asked, I specifically said your name. So it's, it wants to know who you are and all your startup ideas.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  So it's going to go in like just try to find everything.

• 30:58Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, wow, Manus Computer has encountered a critical issue. You can choose to reset Manus's computer or start a new session. So what should we do?

• 31:06Speaker 01

  And this does happen. So when something like this happen, you could either opt to reset the computer or start a new session. But let's try to reset the computer. So it's gonna try to reboot its sandbox and try to restart the task. The cool thing is it remembers where it left off. Now, it's not a guarantee that it will be able to fix whatever the issue that it ran into. So we'll see.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  So it's gonna reset. So let's go back to Daki Sign and see where it's at. Still doing his thing, still building his projects.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Like, it's kinda, you know, very like worry-free, like it's doing all the stuff for you. It's just, I just sit back and just kind of relax.

• 31:54Greg Isenberg?

  Would it be annoying to ask Manus, like, hey Manus, what's your ETA?

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's try that, see what he said.

• 32:05Greg Isenberg?

  Just like every annoying boss.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  But remember, the AI is a,

• 32:13Speaker 01

  what is the word?

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Ever,

• 32:20Speaker 01

  like, not annoyed, intelligent assistant?

• 32:24Greg Isenberg?

  Right.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay, so, oh, it says, it's, I don't know if you like, it was trying to troll us or something. As soon as I asked it, he was like, I've completed. I think I'm done. It's like, what's your ETA? I was like, oh, I'm done. Like, so we're like waiting this whole time until I ask? I'm like, okay, all right, would you like me to deploy? All right, so now it asks you a question, like, do you want me to deploy this to the public network? And I say, yes. So and what is that, what that's gonna do is it's got its own public, like, similar to what like Bursell, Replit has. It's got its own little deployable website. And it's gonna give you a subdomain with their primary domain attached to it. So you can actually see the website in action.

• 33:09Greg Isenberg?

  And it doesn't make you sign up to any service when you do this, right?

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 33:14Greg Isenberg?

  How does that work?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Not yet, yeah.

• 33:15Greg Isenberg?

  Or not yet?

• 33:15Speaker 01

  I think that when you start asking questions like, and I haven't gone to that level yet where I wanted to like say, hey, set up a Stripe and stuff, and only because like we discussed earlier, they would, you know, force me to give out some of my information. So I haven't done that. I didn't want to go that route yet. Maybe I'll create like a dummy account and just try out, but.

• 33:33Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, I mean, because the glass half full of that is you ask it to set you up with the Stripe account. And then all of a sudden, they hand it over to the Chinese government or whoever. And then all your money is gone.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. For the, for your audience, yeah, don't do that.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Like I said, always when you're on the internet, I always be careful of what you share. So that's what I always tell all my family and friends and colleagues, so.

• 34:04Greg Isenberg?

  I mean, when you're in the, when you're in the real world too, right? If you, you know, you hire, you hire someone or you're getting to know someone and you're just, you're giving them the keys to, you know, would you give them the keys to your apartment? Like, maybe not initially.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah. It's compared to the physical world, it's so much easier to get those stolen from you in the digital world. So gotta be even more careful. Alright, so now it's working to deploy and demonstrate the e-signature. I'm kind of excited.

• 34:37Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, I, I, I like, I don't know, I'm kind of, I'm optimistic it's gonna work, but I'm kind of like, how would this actually work? Like, this is such a complex, like, we asked it to do such a complex thing, like a multi-billion dollar company in a prompt? Like, come on, you know what I mean? Like, can it actually work?

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Alright, so Manus has encountered an issue with the deployment process. So it's gonna try to, I guess, try to see if it can, oh, so it's not gonna run it? So it doesn't want to create in its own production environment that it wants me to run it locally?

• 35:16Greg Isenberg?

  That's fair.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:18Greg Isenberg?

  Because, I mean, I'm not a developer, but, or I'm a bad developer, let's say. Actually, I'm not a developer. I'm not a developer. And, you know, I would do that, right? Like, I would want to try it locally first before deploying it, right?

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  So it's still doing stuff.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Oh, it's just zipping it up. Okay. I'm gonna ask Manus to try again, to deploy.

• 35:52Greg Isenberg?

  Wow.

• 35:54Greg Isenberg?

  You're getting greedy, man. You're getting greedy.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  You ran into a terminal error while I was trying to zip. I don't know if it was because I just kind of interrupted.

• 36:06Greg Isenberg?

  Says Manus encountered, on the right-hand side, Manus encountered some issues while performing this action. No need to worry, it will handle the errors on its own.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's another part of the cool feature that is able to reflect on itself on the errors that you ran into. And it'll try to figure out on itself instead of me copying, pasting, or clicking stuff to, you know, hey, there's an error. So that's, that's, that, these are the type of seamless operation or, you know, user experience for this type of agent AI. And I think that's, that's the next level. That's, that this is where we're getting one more step closer to the AGI where we, where we don't have to like know more than what we need to know and just let AI handle the stuff that it probably knows it better than us anyway on some of the things, so.

• 36:57Greg Isenberg?

  Well, yeah, it's abstracted, right?

• 36:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's very abstracted, very, you know, black box. Some, some may not, some may like that and some may not like that. But I think for the most users, you know, they'd rather have it, you know, black box. They don't want to worry and think about it.

• 37:13Greg Isenberg?

  This audience, this is a black box audience. Like, the people listening to this are like,

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:19Greg Isenberg?

  I don't care how it's done. I just want to push my ideas live and I want to push a lot of ideas live.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, just give me the results, man, you know?

• 37:27Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  So, yeah, so I convinced it to try to deploy. So it's again, trying again, see what happens.

• 37:36Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, what, what, what's interesting about your style, man, is like, you're, you're a man of few words. You just like tell Manus a few words.

• 37:47Greg Isenberg?

  Not long prompts and that's your strategy?

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I do both, just to be clear. I do simple prompts and I also do very, very, very complex prompts. Because I want to give like a very specific directions. But for your audience and my audience too on X, and I try to keep it very simple. Otherwise, again, most people are just gonna get lost on what to do. And I want, I like to demonstrate to audience that it's a very simple prompt that I use and I got this results. And that's just kind of always makes people like, oh wow, like that was very easy. Like, yeah, like this is the future I want to get into.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  I don't want to have to think so much to come up with a very elaborate prompt, you know, when I can just say, hey, I want this, just get it done. And I'm sure along the way, you're gonna have a lot of questions and sort of like an iterative approach to getting to your results. So I think, you know, that's sort of the step I'm taking with this. And that's the sort of step I take usually for my audience as well. I don't try to overcomplicate it. And I think that's sort of the way these agent to AI is going towards. I think it's trying to take a lot of that load of thinking off you and trying to understand, you know, what you want. And maybe in the future, maybe they'll just know exactly what you want after a while.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  You know, like after working with you for a long time, it will probably already know your history of what you wanted and you don't even have to tell them again. I think that's sort of like the AI future that we're gonna start to see.

• 39:30Greg Isenberg?

  So you got me thinking of something I think that could be big. And I don't think we'll have time to cover it today. Maybe we'll, maybe we won't. But this man is seems to be.

• 39:43Greg Isenberg?

  That it's not just about how can you go and build a product and launch it, but it's also probably very useful for growth tactics and actually marketing and growing whatever it is you built. So I'd imagine that you probably could do things like SEO. I'd imagine that you probably could do things like help create a content calendar, writing, researching based on different styles, you know, getting basically organic content, that sort of thing. Am I right or wrong on that, Min?

• 40:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I think absolutely you're right on point on that one. And I think, and it just got me thinking, maybe we should, you know, have Manus go to one of your site and just see, you know, how is my SEO on this website?

• 40:33Greg Isenberg?

  Great, let's pull up latecheckout.agency because I know the SEO and that's probably garbage. It's literally a landing, you know, a quick Framer landing page. If you go to latecheckout.agency, it's our design agency. Well, I guess you don't even need to go to it. We can just ask Manus to go to it, right?

• 40:55Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, this website.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Okay, all right, let's ask him. Let's take this URL and say, "Pre-Tick or..."

• 41:04Greg Isenberg?

  I want to, here's what I would, I would say like, I have a feeling that my design agency could be getting a lot more SEO traffic. I'm looking for help from you. Oh, I'll wait till you type.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Okay, "Help me improve SEO for..."

• 41:22Greg Isenberg?

  My just...

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Let's start a new session.

• 41:25Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 41:30Greg Isenberg?

  See, I'm a long-winded prompted, prompt guy. I'm a long-winded prompt guy. Like, I write novels, you know what I mean?

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Oh, really? Yeah.

• 41:37Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, I'm one of those.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  I try to keep it simple.

• 41:40Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, I like it. Okay, so you're gonna say, "Help me improve..." Not my website's by design agency.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  This one.

• 41:49Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, okay, yeah, it's, yeah, okay, that's fine.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  Let's remove your name, maybe.

• 41:54Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  "Help me improve..."

• 41:58Greg Isenberg?

  SEO, but I want to be clear, I do want to be clear that, you know, basically, this, this firm, LCA, Late Checkout Agency, it, it works with like the drop boxes and, you know, the grammarlies and the, you know, character AIs, all these software companies and, and sort of big companies that are looking to be AI first and transition to be AI first and building AI products for them. I want to, it's not just that I want better SEO, like I want the executives from these tech companies to come to the website, right? So.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  You want those tech, tech companies come to this website?

• 42:39Greg Isenberg?

  You see all the companies we work with? Character AI, Bolt, Salesforce, Slack, and look at all the executives we work with at those companies? I want more of those executives to come to this website via SEO.

• 42:51Greg Isenberg?

  I think it's important when you're doing SEO, not just to do, it doesn't, if I got a million visits a day to this, I don't really care. I'd rather a thousand visits, but they're highly targeted. Yeah, there we go. You said it better than I could. So he, for the listeners on, on Spotify and Apple, I want a more executive of AI-first companies to come to this website. Okay, so it says, "I understand you want to attract more executives to the Late Checkout Agency website. I'll continue my SEO analysis with the specific goal in mind." Very cool.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  I love how he's like running into this error, like we're, we're software testing Manus AI in real time.

• 43:31Greg Isenberg?

  Totally.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  Again, they're going to remind us that, oh, it's in beta.

• 43:36Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:38Greg Isenberg?

  Our bad. We're just testing.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  I, I believe a lot of the softwares are all in beta and we're just software testing for them. So there's no news there. They just, they just removed the label beta. But.

• 43:52Greg Isenberg?

  I agree with that.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  There's a lot, you know, I, I work with many software companies and there's a lot of issues behind the scene that we just don't talk about, so. All right. Oh, no, it has ran into an issue. This guy is not going to deploy.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Oh, so.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  So this is a new message for me because I guess I haven't gone to very long context. But Manus' performance may decline with extremely long context. So that's what it's saying. So I think it's running to a context limitation. So that's one of the things that I actually wanted to talk about on this episode was that there are some limitations to Manus. It's not, you know, completely magical and just works like everything and it's going to do everything for you and you don't have to worry or anything. The limitation I ran into obviously is the context. The context has, like, especially if it becomes a very complex task and it

• 44:54Speaker 01

  and there's a lot of information that it has to process, it does run into this issue. And I think that this is probably the biggest issue that Manus AI team needs to probably address before it goes live. Because I think that a lot of people are going to run into this similar issues, especially power user like me, I'm gonna, you know, keep pushing it to its limits and we're gonna run into this type of issue all the time. And this is not the first time I've seen the error that it's gone into other than this context, that it does, it does ask you like, oh, I ran into an issue, I need to reset the computer, I need to do this and that, and it just asks me if I want to go ahead

• 45:38Speaker 01

  and restart or start a new session. So basically, starting a new session means like, it may have run into like some kind of long context issue that it's not able to process. So you have to start like a whole new session. And that's kind of the downside, the negative part about this tool is the context size so far.

• 46:01Greg Isenberg?

  Good to know.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Yep. So we were not able to complete this stock design website. That's a bummer. I think that we probably could do a local deploy and try.

• 46:13Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, let's try it.

• 46:18Greg Isenberg?

  I mean, even the fact that we can do a local deploy is absolute insanity.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Actually, it was trying to zip this thing for me, for me to download and it failed earlier. So let me check, let me check if it was able to finish creating the zips. I mean, it's created all the document structure, the code files, but it doesn't have the zip.

• 46:42Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, it's so interesting seeing how different people prompt. Like, I would be prompting right now, I'd probably say, I'm just trying to get this to a local, to deploy this locally. I want to create something that's beautiful, that I can show on the podcast.

• 47:00Greg Isenberg?

  And do you think that you can make that happen? Like, that's how I, because I talk as if I would be talking to a coworker.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that, you know, this is probably quicker, anyway, to run it locally, to see the results right away, because like, deployment is not as straightforward with these tools. And I know Repl has done that really well. And I think, I think that's, it's got some good future and, you know, the direction that it's trying to go. Their AI agent is getting better and better. But Manus has to work on their deployment process as well. I think, I think they're just trying to do too much. I think that's part of the problem is they're trying to have all of this kind of packaged, like, all this services and products that are kind of packaged into this one thing,

• 47:56Speaker 01

  including deployment. And obviously, it kind of shows that deployment is not an easy, easy one that they have solved yet, in my opinion. I know there has been like other very simple ones that they've done that shows this, like, if I do like a game, like, you know, make, make a airplane game like Peter, flypeter.com, right?

• 48:22Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, fly.peter.com. You're talking about the Peter Levels game?

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:28Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 48:31Greg Isenberg?

  So Peter Levels basically made like a flight simulator using AI?

• 48:37Speaker 01

  3JS.

• 48:44Greg Isenberg?

  Oh, maximum daily usage limit.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a, yeah, so there is a limit. I believe it's 10, so I actually use a few before this, so we can't do this one today.

• 48:57Greg Isenberg?

  Unfortunately. It's, you know, it's also cool is like, it feels like we have like four employees working at the same time.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 49:04Greg Isenberg?

  It feels, it feel, what's cool about Manus is it feel, it really does feel like you have multiple employees.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:09Greg Isenberg?

  Working at, it's like, oh, we got this SEO, this marketing person. We've got this researcher, we've got this cracked PM slash developer.

• 49:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, you got one guy working on DocuSign, you know, you know, one agent working on your, your startup ideas and one, you know, working on your, on the, you know, improving the SEO for your LCA.

• 49:34Greg Isenberg?

  So it's crazy.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  But another thing is that the, uh, the problem that I see is scale. So obviously, you know, AIS scale is a challenge for a lot of the companies. And the reason why they're very, right now they're invitation only and with an invitation code that you can only have access to Manus and they're, they're limiting those codes too. And I, and I've been privileged to get like 10 invitation codes from them. Um, and I actually give that out to, to users to my, uh, my X account.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  I actually asked for 10 more. I was gonna, I was gonna offer it to your audience, say, hey, Greg's audience, you get 10 codes. You want to try it out, but didn't happen. So, um, I think that, uh, the thing that.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  I noticed is that very early on, when people were starting to get access to Manus, their web has been hammered. And the reason why we're seeing a lot of errors today, actually, I was not seeing this much error in the beginning, because there were as many people who had access. But now that more access has been given out and more people are on the system, I start to notice a lot more frequent errors. And I think that's part of the scale issues that they're gonna have to address again before they go live.

• 51:15Greg Isenberg?

  And do we know when they're going live?

• 51:17Speaker 01

  I don't know yet. I have not heard any, yeah. And I think that, you know, they're trying to tease early. It looks like they launched premature, kind of like, what? It's been like six days now?

• 51:31Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  They actually launched like six days ago, but it didn't like get, go viral until like two days ago, basically. So when it came over to US and people in the US start to get access to it, and that's when it start to get like real traction. And I was one of the early ones who got access and it was working pretty good. You know, obviously, we've done, I've done stuff like pretty basic comparisons, like doing the deep research or deep search type of thing, making like, and as you can see on the left side, you know, I had more, but I deleted them because they kind of crashed. But, you know, build a simple SaaS website, you know, clone the apple.com. Obviously, apple.com is one of the, you know, well-designed websites.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  So I think it's a commonly asked thing, like people like, go clone apple.com. And then, you know, do a casual multiplayer game. But the research one works really well, obviously. You expect that to work well. Simple games work well. Landing pages work well. And I think that's sort of the ones that have been very successful with Manus AI so far. I think that the other one that it does well is something like this, like you're analyzing your websites for optimizations.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Scraping data, it can actually, because it is able to control the browser and go to go to this website and actually crawl through it like clicking stuff, like you can actually like scrape data using it. So I think that's one of the very easy, easy to use and probably frequently use tool to kind of get information for, for the people. And the, as you get more complex, like Doc Design and stuff, like it does, it does have its challenges, but I like to, you know, push things to its limits.

• 53:33Greg Isenberg?

  So, uh, just to wrap up, maybe let's just go through what we've done today. Let's go through the DocuSign, let's go through the startup ideas and let's see, let's see what we were able to do in, you know, 60 minutes and using Manus.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Yep. So we started with this create DocuSign clone and middle of it, we say, hold on, let's just focus on the e-signature. So we say, okay, just focus on that. And it replanned its project and it set up all the code and I didn't actually get to see the code yet, but it looked like it set up its typical NextJS app, set up its routes. And, and then it was create a interface with login page, registration page, the routes, the passwords,

• 54:32Speaker 01

  middleware routes. So it, it can't, it looked like it went through a lot of the important things that it needed, the basic ones at least. And once it got through creating this code, it got stuck on getting the deployment successful. So we got document upload, document management and the signature field placement. So I'm actually excited to see if it actually runs, but it wasn't able to deploy. So I, what I would do is I would, I would actually like run this locally and then I can like send it over to you, see what that looks like. Again, uh, one thing that I

• 55:15Speaker 01

  I do uh when it asked me to run it locally is uh I do have to scan through the code just just in case.

• 55:23Greg Isenberg?

  Totally.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I I don't just why I need to download this. That's why I didn't want to do it on the uh on this recording.

• 55:30Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  I I don't want to look like paranoid.

• 55:34Greg Isenberg?

  We're keeping it real here.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Huh? Yeah, I'm just trying to play safe, you know, I don't know what's gonna happen. And I do like to create this into like a my own sandbox. I don't I don't download this stuff into my local computer. I have a I just create like a virtual sandbox on the in the cloud and then I I run it there uh just in case as well, so. Uh I I I don't want to do that on this uh session, um but I I will do that and then I'll show how that ran locally.

• 56:02Greg Isenberg?

  Beautiful.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  And then let's go back and check your um yeah, top start ideas of my highest potential. Again, it got stuck. So the thing with this one is interesting is because a research has been very straightforward for me and it worked. Uh and like I was uh mentioning earlier that since people got access to this application, um is I've I've seen a lot of these issues where it it hits a wall. Um and this should have been a very easy um easy thing that should have completed, um but it wasn't able to, so. And again, like probably the time of the day is not the best. Uh I think a lot of people are probably on it and then asking stuff to do.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  So maybe running into more of these issues. Uh I may try to run this again later, like late late in the night, um where it's the traffic a little bit lower. Um and then the other one is that we tried to ask to create a airplane game like Peter, uh fly dot peter dot com in three J S deploying in public and and you we reached the uh maximum daily usage limit. Uh again, this is in the beta stage. There's a uh I believe there's a ten request uh or ten sessions uh limit in the day. Um the cool thing is that even though it says this, I can actually go into um another session and.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Right, it's the, I believe it's the sessions that it matters, so I'll, I'll use the one that is like broken, which is like this one, I think. Right, this one's, this one's still working, so this one's broken, so I'll, I'll use this one to see.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  I don't know if this is a loophole that I found, but uh, when you reach a maximum limit, just

• 57:47Greg Isenberg?

  It sounds like it.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  A different session and it will, you can't tell to do something else.

• 57:53Greg Isenberg?

  That's awesome.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, so now see, it's like, I'll help you create an airplane game, so it's just like a new session, basically. But the only, only difference is that it's got like all this other stuff in the context, so hopefully that doesn't interfere with what I just asked.

• 58:06Greg Isenberg?

  Right, oh my.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Victor from Hugging Face uh, actually did something similar, but he didn't, he didn't specify [email protected], but he just say, create a, you know, flying airplane uh, game where I can control the airplane and, and whatnot, and it just kinda, it looked like he did it in one shot, um. And, and the people are asking like, was this one shot or was there like follow-ups, but um, I'm sure there was a follow-up. Uh, it, it doesn't, it doesn't actually like produce everything like in one go sometimes, and you may have to kinda tweak some of the uh, the features, uh, especially like um, aesthetics, uh, I noticed.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  So you may just like draw like a very simple aesthetics and you may have to say, oh, can you make this a little bit more uh, pretty or make it more, I don't know, more objects in the scene, uh, cause if you just ask you to like create like flying game, you may just create like a sky and a, and like a playing field and you may, you may have to give like specific instructions, like add a building, add a tree,

• 59:12Greg Isenberg?

  Right.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  add legs or something, something to make you more interesting.

• 59:16Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, so, yeah, we might, we might even show a clip of, of that one-shot prompt, so just showing what that could look like. So Min just sent me a message, literally this is just right after the pod was recorded, saying, are Flight game had been created. So we basically one prompted a flight game. It looks like a more basic version of Peter Levels' game, but it's pretty cool. Like here you can see the plane flying and I believe you can shoot. Oh, maybe you can shoot, but that's the idea of the game. And you shoot down these balloons, which is pretty cool. And you can play it. It's deployed. You could play it on your web browser.

• 1:00:02Greg Isenberg?

  I think the next step for me would be, how do you? I mean, just make it look a little more visually cool. And also add multiplayer. I think one of the reasons why Peter Levels' game, I mean, has gotten. There's a few reasons why Peter Levels has done $67,000 of revenue in the last 30 days. Part of it is on his, his audience. You know, he, he has a big audience, so he can distribute it. But the other part is it is fun. I know I tweeted about his game and a lot of people were like, it's not, it's such a stupid game. And it's like, I don't know. I was playing it for 30 minutes and I was enjoying it. Like I could have, I could have watched The White Lotus, but I was watching, I was playing that, enjoyed it. So Manus did it.

• 1:00:47Greg Isenberg?

  It took one, one little prompt and we got a game working. So that's really cool. And it was deployed. So we've gone over the DocuSign. We've, we've gone over the game. We've got the SEO and we've got the research assistant. We've done this all in like an hour, which is kind of crazy. We haven't been able to successfully deploy. You know, we, we basically deployed the app basically, but it got us almost there. Like we just have to review the code, deploy it, you know, run it locally, make some edits and then finally deploy it. But.

• 1:01:26Greg Isenberg?

  Overall, my take on this, Min, honestly, is that it's, yeah, it is the closest thing I've seen to AGI yet. And it seems, it seems like it's close. It's not there yet. Like, I need it to, I need it to deploy. I need it to deploy. But the fact that it feels like an operator mixed with like a, you know, replit mixed with a chat GPT. Like, I think that having, having this is super, super, super helpful for people who want to like automate, build their businesses, which, you know, and that's why I had you on the pod. So, Min, I wanted to thank you for, for coming on the pod. And I wanted to ask you, you know, where could people find you?

• 1:02:11Greg Isenberg?

  We'll include those links in the show notes.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks for having me. And this was fun. And people can find me on x.com/MinJoy. That's currently my main page.

• 1:02:26Greg Isenberg?

  Cool. All right, we'll include that. Min, thanks for, I mean, you had the beta access. I didn't. So, thank you for, for, for hooking it up for everyone. I think a lot of people are appreciative of that. And let's go build some businesses.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  And I got a, I got an extra key for you so that you can have access to if you want.

• 1:02:46Greg Isenberg?

  Oh, my God, yes. Please do. And I'll play around with it. If people want more madness content, please do let me know. And I'll see you next time, Min.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:02:58Greg Isenberg?

  Also, Min, I know this is your first podcast that you've ever done. So, thank you for sharing it with us.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Hey, thanks for, thanks for inviting me. I've always meaning to do one. Just didn't get to that step yet. But maybe this will be sort of my kickstart into the podcast world.

• 1:03:16Greg Isenberg?

  Absolutely. All right, catch you later.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Amen.