I'm Obsessed With Grok Bot. Here's Why

I sit down with Ras Mic to see how he runs his work and his life through Grok Bot. He calls himself a Grok Bot maxi, and he uses it as a personal agent and as an orchestrator that hands engineering work to Claude Code. He walks me through five areas: engineering, design, content ideation, business and finance, and shopping. Along the way he shows his bots, his prompts, and the projects they shipped, including Pluto, Bezalel, a Rust trading app, and a Shopify store for his brother's clothing brand. If you ship ideas, this episode gives you a setup you can copy today. Timestamps 00:00 – Intro 01:55 – Engineering Bot 07:57 – Why use Grok Bot as an Orchestrator 14:01 – Grok Bot + Claude Code 19:43 – Security Checks 21:54 – Designer Bot 31:12 – Content Bot 37:19 – Business & Finance Bot 42:41 – Shopping Bot 44:53 – Closing Thoughts Key Points Give each serious project its own bot, keep one general engineering bot for random ideas, and delete bots once they stop being useful. Use Grok Bot to orchestrate and Claude Code with Opus 5.5 to write the code. Ras Mic says the $200-a-month Claude Code plan is worth $8,000 to $12,000 in API credits, so he leans on subscriptions. Lock the design in Paper before any code gets written, with a design system the agent can reference. A YouTube bot scans X at 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. and sends three video topics with tweets, title ideas, and resources. Finance bots connected through Plaid give Ras Mic's advisor bot enough context to talk him out of shiny objects. The #1 tool to find startup ideas/trends - https://www.ideabrowser.com LCA helps Fortune 500s and fast-growing startups build their future - from Warner Music to Fortnite to Dropbox. We turn 'what if' into reality with AI, apps, and next-gen products https://latecheckout.agency/ FIND ME ON SOCIAL X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/gregisenberg Instagram: https://instagram.com/gregisenberg/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisenberg/ FIND MIC ON SOCIAL X/Twitter: https://x.com/Rasmic Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@rasmic

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• 0:00Greg Isenberg?

  I got good news for you. So there's a way to use Grokbot so that you can have your own design team, engineering team, content team, personal shopping team, business team. And by the end of this episode, we are going to show you how to use it. So you can set it up today on your own. This could be one of the most important videos I've done in a long time because I believe that Grokbot is a new interface to the internet. Now, how can you actually set this up today? Like, right now? How can you set it up? In today's episode, I have my friend Ross Mike. He's literally one of the best explainers of AI on the internet. He comes on, he shares exactly how he's using Grokbot and how you can copy it today. So I

• 0:41Greg Isenberg?

  think this is a very important episode because there isn't a de facto masterclass for Grokbot using AI agents, how it plays in the whole ecosystem. And you're going to get it explained to you by literally one of the best explainers of AI on the internet, my friend Ross Mike. Stoked to have him. Let's get into it.

• 1:07Greg Isenberg?

  What's up, Mickey? By the end of this podcast, what are people gonna learn?

• 1:11Speaker 01

  You're gonna learn how to be a Grokbot maxi. Like, it's the only personal agent that I've used. And not only as a personal agent, but as an orchestrator to do a lot of great work. It's by far, in my humble opinion, the best one. And you're gonna learn how I maximize and how you two can maximize it to the fullest.

• 1:28Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, so by the end of it, you're gonna show clear examples and which categories? And can you commit to basically, if people stick around to the end, that they'll be basically be able to copy what you're doing, implement it in their daily lives, and good stuff will happen?

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. And if I don't, if like, if I don't fulfill a promise, I will come to your house and make you hot cocoa.

• 1:52Greg Isenberg?

  Let's do it.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  So I'm gonna share my screen. There's some different ways that I use Grokbot. And I'm just gonna basically share like how I use it in engineering, design, content ideation. I know this is a startup ideas podcast. We're gonna talk a little bit about business and finance. And the last one is the most interesting one is shopping. So I'm gonna get straight into engineering. I'm just gonna show you examples, right? So the one thing that I really like about Grokbot, and I will like maybe zoom in so you can see it. I have multiple bots for specific projects. Now, what's interesting about Grokbot, and I think they're the ones who innovated on this, instead of having multiple threads with like the same like agent, they sort of architected these like bots, which are basically contextual,

• 2:38Speaker 01

  have sort of their own set of skills and its own computer. And I find that like from an architectural perspective, I don't know if it's better of doing it like the chat GPT way or the way Grokbot does it. But mentally, for me, I love the bot system. And the reason why is I basically now have like each bot contextualized to a specific piece of work, right? So when I'm working on, let's say, my Bezzol app, or I'm working on my Bible app, I know exactly what I'm working on. So like, even mentally for me, this like contextual block really helps. But for engineering, the way I usually work is I have an engineering bot, and this bot has context to all my projects. And I'll usually shoot ideas, like, for example,

• 3:22Speaker 01

  like, I like a random idea that I have no knowledge about that I'll show you guys in a second. So I have this bot called AI Governance bid, Greg. And this is basically a friend of mine who works in the States told me that he does government contracting and he's in AI governance, right? And as someone who's heavily in AI, the term AI and governance put together sounded interesting. So I asked my Grokbot, can you find some like bids that exist, you know, that the government has for AI governance? And it started to work. And it did that. And what's also interesting is I asked my engineering bot to work on

• 4:04Speaker 01

  a simple AI governance app. And I did this at night. I woke up and I'm gonna show you the app that it created for me. The app that it created, if I go to my GitHub repo, is this right here. Gaussian Assure AI Governance Compliance Platform Proprietary to Gaussian Labs, Inc. Now, do I have a clue how any of this works? Absolutely not. I have no idea. I haven't even run this. But the reason why I share this is when it comes to engineering, one of the best things that you could do with a Grokbot is literally just share with it your random ideas. Whatever ideas you have, whatever information you hear, literally tell your Grokbot, like, if you have an engineer bot, you can create one, and tell it, just

• 4:47Speaker 01

  make this, give me something that works, push to my GitHub, and I'll check it later. So now, Greg, I have an abundance of ideas always being worked on. But those are just ideas. Let's talk about actual like shipping products, shipping projects. I'll give you a very clear example. Pluto is one of my apps that I've been working on for some time. And we're doing a slight pivot. And the pivot is basically, we want to be able for people to use Pluto, and then with the data that like is in the Pluto app in their instance, for them to be able to fine tune like a base model like Quinn, right? This was just an idea. Now, I worked on this idea with a friend. We went back and forth. And basically, he

• 5:30Speaker 01

  he used Claude Code to create a PDF. And I downloaded that PDF, and I just gave it to my agent. I literally just said, review this. I didn't tell it, build this. I didn't say, do this. I just said, review it. Look what it says here. It says, I read it, review the key decisions, risk, and anything I've changed. And then it's a good direction, but I wouldn't approve the build plan unchanged. It gave me issues as to why there's some issues with the build plan. And it gave me some recommendation scope. I said, this thing is mandatory. And then it said, understood. I'll go with this core offering. And then I even shared with it a tweet as to someone asked me for the type of product I wanted to build. It did that. It took the information I gave it. And then it gave me a better plan

• 6:14Speaker 01

  as to how we should go about building this, right? And then you know what's crazy? I literally sent this to my friend. And he gave me a response. You know what I did with the response? I copy pasted it. This was literally his response. Because you could see, he uses my name here. And then I pasted it. And then it worked. And it's like, okay, 70% threshold, blah, blah, blah. And then it gave me a new plan. And this time, so this is where I actually stepped in and I reviewed the plan. And I'm like, oh, this is excellent. So guess what I told it, Greg? Build it out. Now, here's how I use Grokbot. Now, you might, some people might call me a subscription maxi. To me personally, if you're watching this podcast, you should 100% take advantage of the subscriptions available.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  The Claude Code $200 month plan gets you anywhere between $8,000 to $12,000 worth of API token credits. In my humble opinion, unless you're in dire financial need, it seems irresponsible to not pay for that and take advantage until the wheels fall off. So I have Grokbot connected to Claude Code, and I use Grokbot as an orchestrator, because Opus 5.5 is still the most incredible model when it comes to engineering. But I love using Grokbot as orchestrator. So I literally look at the most basic prompts. You know, back in the day, we used to worry about prompt engineering. Now, I just tell it how I feel. Build out everything. Use Claude Code with Ultra Code, Opus 5.5. If you need multiple

• 7:39Speaker 01

  sessions, go ahead, slash goal. And then it went on for hours. You could see this is yesterday. And then look what I got. I got working PRs, working PRs, five out of five PRs. And now I have people testing the feature, right?

• 7:55Greg Isenberg?

  So you could, I see, like, you're using Grokbot to orchestrate. You could theoretically use Claude Code, Codex, like, why, especially you, like, you're an engineer, like, why, why use Grokbot?

• 8:10Speaker 01

  The UX win from Grokbot is absolutely incredible. Like, for me, like, if I'm in, like, I use T3 code to use Claude Code because I have multiple subscriptions and I use Codex as well. But the one benefit that Grokbot has is just, and I'm telling you people, if you haven't tried it, you should try it. The UX feel, meaning like, I can feel like, I was, I was in my mom's house yesterday, you know, we're having dinner. Once a week, I go to the mom's house to have dinner. Can I tell you, I was crushing PRs, using state of the art models from my phone with an app that actually feels good to use, right? And this is the problem with like, if you use the chat GPT app, you get a bunch of threads.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  The threads get mixed up. On one thread, I'm working on one project, the other thread. But because I'm talking to bots, because I'm talking to bots and the bot is named and it's clear and has context, like, it's more of a feeling and a vibe, but the UX gains, I've gone from using Grokbot to orchestrate my Claude Code sessions, has been incredible, right? So it's not even like, like, oh, I could just directly use Claude Code. Yes. But I am telling you, I am more productive going back and forth with Grokbot, especially when I'm managing multiple projects. Because at the same time, while doing this, I'm working on a project called VP Cloud. And VP Cloud is basically a Canadian sovereign cloud,

• 9:37Speaker 01

  meaning all the like, you know, a Vercel, whatever, like, deploy your AI models, whatever, completely in on on GPUs that live in Canada. Am I an Uber guy? Am I a cloud guy? Do I understand these things at a base level? Sure. Would I write code by hand to build this stuff? No. What do I do? I literally get Grokbot to spin a bunch of sessions. But not only that, maybe I can show this, but not only did Grokbot build out the app, Grokbot is currently doing the negotiation with one of the GPU providers here in Canada. So I can maybe share the email a little bit. Uh, I don't know if I can show the entire thing. Let me.

• 10:17Greg Isenberg?

  And while you're pulling that up, I think a brand new feature of Grokbot, I think it just launched, is the ability to call using Grokbot. Did you see that?

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is incredible. Fortunately, not, uh, not available to us Canadians. Um, I can't find, maybe it called, uh, using one of my other bots, but the, my VP Claude project bot, called one of, told one of my other bots to email the provider to see if I can get a discount. It even mentioned that I was a YouTuber and I have this many subs and I can say it's powered by this. I didn't tell it to do that. I didn't give it that idea. It literally just said, oh, the costs are a little too high compared to the American equivalents. Maybe we can get a discount. And this is the part of merging my engineering work with a personal agent that makes sense. Cause with Claude code, I'm just getting straight engineering, right? With Grokbot, I can have similar access to the beast of an engineer that Claude code is.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Plus the personal side of a personal agent, like being able to send out emails, negotiate for me, request refunds, right? So the reason why I'm using Grokbot versus straight Claude code, uh, Greg, is the UX and the fact that the personal agent can handle business side as well. Uh, multiple apps, my Bible app, uh, Terminal, do you know what Terminal is, uh, Greg? You'll actually find this so funny. Terminal is a trading app I built because I like how Bloomberg looks, but I don't feel like spending $30,000 on a, on a, on a Bloomberg terminal. So I built something snappy, like this is pretty snappy. And not only that, it actually works. I can switch to live, connect my brokerage account and lose money right now live. I could do that.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  I wrote, I built this using Rust, meaning it is super performance, super fast. Like you can see how snappy this is. I didn't write a single line of code. I didn't go to Claude code. I literally kept telling Grokbot exactly what to do, right? And even now, like we're, um, there's this exchange, um, I'm, I'm not a big, I'm not a big fan of promoting crypto. There's this crypto exchange that has a really great way of being able to, uh, have synthetic stocks. So not the actual stock, but a, a token that mirrors the stock and their project's open source and all that stuff. So you know what I did? I asked my Grokbot, I'm like, um, oh, look at this. Yeah. Side quests, how would it look like to build our own crypto on stock server node?

• 12:41Speaker 01

  I want to build a synthetic, I want to build synthetic stocks for the entire market. What would that look like? Spin up a new bot that I can chat with. And then it set up a new bot called Exchange. And, um, it told me legalities, this, this, that and that. And I'm saying, uh, look, look what I said. I'm not asking you to be realistic, nor am I asking you to swap what we built for Hyperliquid. I want us to build something novel. I want us to build an engine, whatever it is where we can like. So I'm literally just talking to the way I would talk to another person. No fancy prompt trick or anything like that. And then it came up with a plan. Now these artifacts are probably one of my favorite feature because visually it's easy for me to just go through this and understand what it's talking about. I breezed through it. I liked it. I was like, okay, fire.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  You see that prompt that you're doing, Greg? Fire. Spin up the VPS clock. So I have a VPS connected to my network. So I said, spin over the VPS. I, I should have said in the VPS, but it understood me. Claude code, Ultra code, Opus 5.5 with tons of sub agents to get this done. Now, six years ago, is this an, like, sorry, six months ago, would this be an acceptable prompt?

• 13:47Greg Isenberg?

  You're getting nowhere.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Absolutely not. Now, like, it goes on building, building, and then now we're, I'm trying to figure out what like hosting provider I can, um, uh, deploy this on, right? Like, so in terms of engineering, like the best workflow I, I would, I would share is, I don't think Grokbot alone is, is great for engineering. So the way I would look at it is I'm using Grokbot and I'm giving Grokbot access to Claude code. And the reason why I'm picking Claude code over Codex is first and foremost, Opus 5.5 is the better model. This could change if, if OpenAI drops a better model, we'll probably flip. But right now the subsidies are just like, like you're getting $200, $200 subscription.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  You're getting like $8,000 worth of API credits, right? So if $200 doesn't hurt the bank, it is absolutely irresponsible to not take advantage of this subsidy while it lasts. Um, now someone might be asking, how am I using, how have I connected Grokbot to Claude code? There's two easy ways to do, there's two ways to do it. The easy way and the way I've done it. The easy way is every bot, um, has a computer, right? So you could literally tell it, hey, login to Claude code on your computer and it can access it via that. I have a network of machines that I've connected via Tailscale. I use T3 code and because T3 code is already set up, every time I tell Grokbot to use, uh, Claude code, it just spins up at the T3 code instance.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Now here's the thing, someone might be like, oh, but you didn't explain how to set up the T3 code thing, or what if I just want to use Claude code? I completely understand that. Ask your agent, because that's what I did. I'm not a networking guy, Greg. I don't know. Maybe I can show it right here. You could see, like, I have a, like a rig here with a bunch of computers. My laptop's plugged, as I can show. All that's connected. I have multiple agents working. How does the networking work? How like, I know, I, I'm not a networking guy, but the models have gone so good. If you can think it and it's possible, it's been done, just ask the model how and you will literally get it done. So that's kind of how I've been using it for engineering. Segmenting each project, it's its own bot if it's serious enough.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Going back and forth, getting my Grokbot to spin up Claude code sessions. Now can you go directly to Claude code? Yes. Why am I using Grokbot? I love the UX and the feeling and I feel super productive and my phone actually feels useful. And even like without, like, the, you can call the bot directly. So I'll be driving, I'll put the bot on speaker, um, and I'll, I can like talk with it and it can get work done, right? And before it was like a gimmick, but now like this is genuinely something useful to me. So this is what I've been doing with the engineering side. Um, let me know, Greg, if I missed anything or any questions arise.

• 16:41Greg Isenberg?

  So it's easy to fall into the trap of having too many bots, like.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:51Greg Isenberg?

  I, you know, you, you showed an example of like spin up a bot for, you know, exchange.

• 16:58Greg Isenberg?

  Are you saying the most optimized, optimal way to use Grokbot is basically to just spin up bots per project? And like, cause I've seen other people have like per employee, per jobs to be done. Like it's kind of a spectrum, right?

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:15Greg Isenberg?

  What's your?

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. The way I would think about it is like, like context is my decider, right? So if, for example, like if you notice I have an engineer bot, but then I have bots for separate projects. Now, the reason why I have an engineer bot is some things, some ideas. For example, uh, let me see if I can pull this up here. I have this widget right here or this extension called Still, and it basically just takes screenshots. This was two prompts with my Grokbot. This does not deserve its own bot. So I have a general engineering bot for random ideas, but for anything that I deem serious or I want to launch to people or like I want to continue to working on, to work on, that will get its own bot.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  But guess what happens once something is useless? I right-click and I delete. So I am not afraid to delete bots that have like not served their purpose. Like for example, um, there's just like Toronto curriculum bill, whatever, whatever. This is over, delete, done, right? So you can get into bot fatigue where you have 15 different bots for 15 different things. I think when I want to divide my mind into different groups because something requires my attention, that's when it becomes like a bot. So Pluto is an important project. I am taking it seriously, deserves its own bot. The Bible app, I'm really having fun with this, deserves its own bot. Bezzalil, believe it or not, Greg, I'm a $200 MRR, deserves its own bot.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Terminal will probably get deleted in two days. I'll be honest with you. Same with Exchange, right? Um, so I'm cycling through these different bots, um, on the regular, but there's some permanent ones I have. For example, IT, which I don't think I'll open because it'll leak some IP addresses, is like manages my fleet. ML basically handles all my local model stuff, right? Downloading models, fine tuning models and all that stuff. And I can get into that as well, having fine tuning models using Grokbot, right? Uh, my content stuff, I'm usually like, I'm content all the time, content now. So those bots only, so I would say as long as there's a huge amount of context regarding a certain tax,

• 19:25Speaker 01

  maybe that dictates its own bot, but the moment something's useless, delete it, because that's what I do.

• 19:32Greg Isenberg?

  And, okay, we'll, we'll, actually we'll get into it later. Before we move on to, um, I was gonna ask a question, but we'll get into it on the content, once we get into content. I will ask before we move on around just because people are gonna say, okay, great. This guy's like shipping a bunch of projects, but like I haven't seen security anywhere. How do I know that these projects are secure? What's your response to that?

• 19:58Speaker 01

  So the I, and the reason why I didn't share this is I have access to an obliterated model, which is basically a model where the guardrails are removed. So it's a really, really bad model. It could be a really, really bad model, but a lot of companies use it to defend themselves, right? Like the open codes, the railways. I don't think they have, they might have had access to Mythos or Daybreak, but a lot of companies are using obliterated models. So I can't really show that part here because like, you know, science stuff, but I do run an obliterated model against all my, I guess, all my apps. But in terms of how would you handle like security is I would get whatever best model you have access to.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  And then I would run slash goal and then I would say, do security checks. Now, the annoying part is both Claude and Codex might block you at times. As like, they might say like, oh, like, because they, they think you're trying to trick them. And the way you would handle that is you would spin up a new thread and reword your prompt differently. It is a bit of a headache, but you owe it to people that are going to use your app. If payments are involved, if sensitive user information is involved. Now there are some apps where security doesn't really matter. For example, my Bible app is a free app. There's no login. Everything is synced. Like the reason why I made it is because I wanted to have no ads and I want it to be super, super fast. Right? So there's nothing really to hack there, right?

• 21:27Speaker 01

  But for apps that are really, really serious, like for example, like Pluto is a pretty serious app. I have an obliterated model running in the background, always doing loops. I can also tell Grokbot to do security review for me. Like, listen, anything you want done, you can ask Grokbot to do for you. But like, I don't do that personally because I have access to an obliterated model. Yeah, I hope that sort of answers the question.

• 21:52Greg Isenberg?

  It does. Perfect.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:54Greg Isenberg?

  All right, let's move on to how else.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  So number two is design and design is going to be pretty short. I use a tool called Paper. Paper is like Figma. I know the designer people might roast me for this. I apologize. Listen, I don't know what any of these different tools in terms of design things do. But what I love about paper is the MCP is amazing. So paper has this MCP, you connect it to your agent. How do you, how do I connect to my agent, Mike? Ask your agent, I have paper installed, connect to the MCP. That's simple. And what like the workflow that I have, and I did a whole video on this is I, actually I'll, I'll show you a live example. I have, my Twitter is, maybe we could get lucky.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  My Twitter is filled with people who are good at design. So like, for example, like this is like, you know, some beautiful design inspo.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Okay, none of the designers like, okay, this is, oh, Quinn's about to drop something beautifully designed. So I have like a lot of design-esque like Twitter follow, like people that I follow. And then I also use something like Mobin. It's just a resource, a reference of all beautifully designed websites. So literally what I will do is I will like take a screenshot of this right here. And then I will tell my agent, hey, like, I really like this. Can you build this on paper? And an example I can give you is I'm building a Shopify store for my brother's clothing brand. And let me see.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. So he gave me some of his designs and I said, oh, these are the designs. I'm like, can you create a clean site and design? And then design of the Pluto design system, display my brother's clothing, right? So like pretty terrible prompt again. And it asked me a bunch of questions, what mood I was looking for. And he used Framer at first because I had Framer connected, but I didn't want it to use Framer. I wanted to use Shopify. So after a couple of back and forths, it sent me a design. And this is what it sent me on, on paper. So I have this created and just to show you that I'm not a poser AI designer. I really use paper a lot. So like, I'll copy like a website that I really like. And I'll tell my bot, create a design system using this site as reference, right?

• 24:16Speaker 01

  So I'm not blatantly copying someone's site. I'm asking my agent to build a design system. And then I'll tweak the design system. And for people who don't know what a design system is, it's basically a guidebook that a designer creates for developers. In this case, we're creating it for our agents, right? So we're telling the agent, this is the font that needs to use. These are the colors. This is the typography. These are the different sizes we allow. This is the spacing, the shape. This is how rounded we want the squares. This is how big the buttons are, the cards are. This is actually a site, I think, one of Riley's sites that I literally, I loved so much that I asked it to create a design system. And then throughout like my different projects, I'll ask, I'll ask my bot to reference, right?

• 24:58Speaker 01

  So in this case, I wanted a Gothic look, like a Christian Gothic look. And it created that. Let me go to this tab right here. Where was my paper? Yeah, it created that. And then guess what I told it Greg after that? I told it to build the front end. I asked it, how can I have this be a front end on Shopify? Because I didn't even know if you can customize front ends on Shopify. I haven't used Shopify in a very long time. And while it was doing that, by the way, it reminded me of Greg's pod. So I connected my Shopify account and in literally a few minutes, went back and forth with the design. And if I open this right here.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Has it built out?

• 25:42Greg Isenberg?

  So are Shopify templates dead?

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Like if you. I mean, like, because yeah, I remember, I remember a time I had a friend who was making a lot of money customizing them. You, I basically built it out on paper. Well, I don't, I, I don't even feel comfortable saying I built it out. My agent built it out on paper and I told it to, I connected my Shopify account and it redesigned it, right? So there's literally like in terms of building software, web, mobile, desktop,

• 26:11Speaker 01

  you can go far. You could go absolutely far.

• 26:15Greg Isenberg?

  I wanted, I want to say one quick point on the fact that you used like paper or you can use Figma or whatever you, you want to use. The mistake a lot of people are making right now is they're going straight to code. So they're prompting Grokbot or whatever to be like, build this thing. And then once it's in code, there's just a bunch of slop that's in there that like, from a design perspective, you can kind of, you know, people, people call it AI smell. You can kind of feel it.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:45Greg Isenberg?

  What you should do is take a second before pushing something in the code to actually make sure that the design system is high quality, that it is going to resonate with your ICP, that the, like, that you don't have some random features in here that you don't want. And that's why for a long time, that was actually like a headache. But now with paper MCP, I mean, it's not like you are affiliated with paper. I'm not affiliated with paper or you're not affiliated with Grokbot. I'm not affiliated with Grokbot. We're just using these tools because they're helpful and creating stuff, right?

• 27:20Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. And like, and, and the thing is like, I'm like, I'm genuinely a user of all these tools. And to your point, you never want to go directly to output, right? You want to like, I'm still a big believer in human in the loop when it makes sense. And in terms of design, my approval is a hundred percent necessary. In terms of functionality, how things are working, my approval is definitely necessary. So me being part of that feedback loop actually allows the AI to work more, right? If I just told the AI agent, yeah, design the site on Shopify and it gave me some slop, the, the time I'm going to waste going back and forth is unnecessary versus I take the extra step. I have a paper account set up. I'm using paper, paper's MCP with my agent. It designs it.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  And oh, here's another cool feedback tool that I, I just recently discovered. I can click comment on paper. I can leave a comment, right? And then I could tell my agent, address the comments. So I could look at this, I might not even be a designer and be like, I don't really like how this logo looks. Or I don't like this font or the spacing here is weird. Or like this shouldn't say Tehran, Ontario. Like I can tweak that out of these comments and just tell my agent, address that. That is a better feedback mechanism versus me having a deployed site and then saying, well, I don't like this. I don't like this. And they have to rebuild everything. Or like, you know, write, rewrite code and stuff like that where I'd rather lock in the design first, be happy with it, then have it generate code.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Another example I can share, let me just pull this up. So, one of my apps, Bezzal, just a little cool fun animation, nothing seriously. Trying to explain what the app does. I got AI to build this. Now, what's interesting is, the way I got it to build this is, I found someone who posted a screenshot of something similar, right? And it was far back, I told AI to work on it, but I don't think it ever finished it. So, I asked it, is Bezzal's UI changes made? And it says it's checking, it says the PR was merged, the UI work is merged. And then I asked it, like, don't confuse it, this is the anim- Watch the prompt, the animation thingy.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  I forgot how it looked, I just know it had animations. And then it says, oh, that was the declarative dragging demo. So I saw this demo of like, things being dragged around and how snappy things were and, I saw this and I was like, oh, this is, this is nice, like, I really like this. So, I even forgot that I gave it to, so I said animation thing, it remembered. And then, it said, want me to prototype the homepage hero one in PR? And I've told it to use Claude code so much that now it knows. It's spinning up a Claude code session for Dragology hero prototype in Bezzal. It worked on it, and then, it looked good. But then one thing I realized is it used icons, and I was like, no, use the logos, right? Like, these companies have logos.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  I said, instead of icons to the left of the text, can you have logos? It worked on it, and the PR was ready, I merged it, and this is the site right now, right?

• 30:30Greg Isenberg?

  Fire, by the way.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you, like, all of this was designed with paper? Like, I found, I'll even share the same inspiration I found. This is the inspiration I found, family.co, love the site, love how cute and-

• 30:42Greg Isenberg?

  Angie Taylor, shout out Angie Taylor.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Legend, right? I'm a big fan of his work. So, I got it to design system, I tweaked a couple of things. And like, look how nice and playful this site is. I'm not a designer, I use Grokbot and paper and Claude code to build all this, right? So, I think having the right tools and giving your agent the right feedback, makes it more tasteful versus than just producing purple gradient slop, if that makes sense.

• 31:13Greg Isenberg?

  Cool, yeah, let's keep going.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that was design. Content ideation, oh, this is gonna be my favorite. So, I have a YouTube bot, and the way I use my YouTube bot is every, I think it's 8, it's 9 AM and then like 5 PM.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  It will scour through Twitter, and the reason why it scours through Twitter is Grokbot basically gives you, I don't wanna say unlimited, but it feels like unlimited access to the X API. So you can like, pull information from X however you want. And because the space that me and Greg are in is very active on X, and sometimes it's hard to keep up, I basically tell it, always share with me three topics that you find, that you think I would find interesting, based on the type of content I create, and share with me tweets that I can make videos from. So, this is today's, let's look at it, it says Claude got bank access. Then Pabloiano blew up Anthropic, blew it up on Anthropic. So, this is their, I think their finance launch, yeah, this is something I could talk about, right?

• 32:16Speaker 01

  This is about Claude, it's about finance, I find these two things interesting. And then it even gives me title idea, Claude just asked for your bank login. That's actually a pretty good, like, title. And then shares with me the type of resources I can add. And then, second is, Google ships agents that keep coding after you close the laptop. Anti-gravity remote agents, devil, right? So, this is something I could talk about as well. Claude code was sending your email address to the web. So apparently there's some hacker news insider info, Claude code is doing something sneaky. This is probably a video that someone is recording right now as we speak. So, this is happening twice a day, every single day. The politics stuff happened in the States, right?

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Data centers are a big thing, it says data centers lost 46 or 47 votes. It knows that this is, like, I'm not a politics channel, but this is something that I probably would talk about, right? So, every single day, 9 to 5, I am getting these ideas fed to me from Twitter with resources and title suggestions. Now, do I take these every single time? No, but am I keeping up to date with what's going on? And do I basically have a plethora of ideas? 100% yes, right? So, this is absolutely one of my favorite bots, especially when it comes to the content creation one, is just ideation.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  I don't usually use AI to script, cuz I find that people, you know, people prefer people. Or maybe you can help it like organize your thoughts and stuff like that. But in terms of finding you ideas, there should be no reason why, especially if your community lives on X, it's one of the best things. Another thing I can share is my editor bot. Now, I don't fully use this just yet, meaning like no videos have went live. But man, is it a good way to sort of explore the different styles I want? And then I give it to my editor. Cuz I don't know editor language, Greg, you know, people say, let's, this, color grading, blah blah, text, interfont, trans- I don't know what none of that means.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  So what I literally will do, in my very like broken editor language, English, I will tell it, I want this, this feels a little too yellow, whatever, and guess what I do? I send it to my editor. And my editor, very, very talented, amazing, will follow those instructions, will give suggestions. So, like, we're at a point where like, you know, if I didn't, like, if I was starting ground zero, I would, I would use this. I would use AI to at least cut clips from you or add text from you, right? So, between like ideating with different styles, using Grokbot, and also like collecting your X, it is a huge part of my content ideation and pipeline.

• 35:06Greg Isenberg?

  I'll let you in on a little secret, I, I've been experimenting with using Opus 5.5 to edit my short form, and some of those videos have gotten hundreds of thousands of views.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're there, we're there, I believe in, I'm gonna start picking up short form, I've been slotking. And yeah, like, AI is gonna be a big part of that, especially with like, I'm assuming probably had animations and stuff like that, right?

• 35:27Greg Isenberg?

  I mean, there's no, I'm gonna do, I'll probably do, you know, if people want me to do, you know, episodes on this, I'm happy to do it. But basically, my workflow was literally like, you know, I'm in the shower, I have an idea in the shower. I, you know, get back to my desk, I take my phone, I press record, and I'm like, let me tell you about some topic, right? And, hey, record, stop, feed it to Claude code, you know, give it, you know, some

• 36:01Greg Isenberg?

  framework for thinking about how to edit videos and what makes a good video. And basically posted it. And I, you know, I just wanted to see like if we were there yet, and we're totally there. I could see a world where Grokbot does a better job at managing that relationship.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  No, 100%, and that's what I use Grokbot for. Ultimately, Grokbot is an orchestrator for me. It orchestrates multiple different things. It's not solely doing the thing for me in some, in most cases, it's orchestrating the thing. For example, to your point on this video, I've been working on like animations and like animated stuff and like, I remember a time where this costed a pretty hefty penny, right? Like, this costs money, and I think to your point, the expensive thing right now is the framework, is the knowledge in certain domain. It's the understanding of how it should be followed and what good editing looks like and like how the animations should bounce in nicely and stuff like that. But yeah, this, this is possible.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Like, I can add a narration to this, or I can be super AI-pilled, give an 11 glabs key, and it could do that for me. So, yeah, content has definitely changed for me in terms of like how I use AI with it. And this is how Grokbot is. Should I jump into business of finance?

• 37:21Greg Isenberg?

  Let's do it.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  So, one important bot that I have, and some people might call me weird for this, but I have,

• 37:30Speaker 01

  where is it? I have an advisor bot, and hopefully it doesn't show any numbers, yes. So, my advisor bot basically stops me from making bad decisions. So, I have, what do they call this? Like, you know, like the syndrome where you see shiny object syndrome? I have a bad case of shiny object syndrome, I think Greg knows this. Where like, one day I'll be all about, you know, the space that we're in, and I don't know why the next day I have an urge to start a trucking company, or I have this urge to be a real estate mogul, like, it's very random. Or like, I don't know, like, it's just the most random thing. And so, I'll give my advisor bot like, I'll see this, and I was like, oh, what do you think of this? Honestly, I wouldn't buy this right now. It doesn't fit where you are this year.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  It's an investment building, not a house you're saving for. And it won't, it wouldn't pull, it would pull cash away from your other goals, right? It's telling me how, you know, bad it is to buy real estate in Canada. It's saying the rents are probably locked. It even mentioned a red flag, which I noticed, the seller apparently said, "unrepresented buyers only", which is like super sus, like, why can't I have representation? And it even says here, "the boiler and the furnace are from 2009, so they're about 17 years old. Budget for replacing them in the next two years." So, it's basically telling me, this is a bad idea, right? And I need something like this, to tell me that this is a bad idea.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  And the reason why this bot is effective is cuz, under the finance tab, I have business finance, personal finance. Business investor, personal investor. And these bots basically have full access to my finances. The way I do it is there's this plugin, a lot of people don't know this. If you search finance and you click on it, I won't click on it because it's show my bank accounts. It usually it just uses Plaid, so you can connect your accounts via Plaid. Give it full access to this. Your bots look at your transactions and it will literally tell you like. You can't afford this or this goes against your goals or you told me you wanted to save for this. Or you wanted to do this, right? So for someone like me who one day wants to own a trucking company, the next day wants to own

• 39:41Speaker 01

  a storage unit company and the next day wants to start an AI lab. Like this is a great bot for me between my finances bought and my advisor bought. Incredible. The I do have like, I'm trying to get it to government contracting. I'm probably not again, this is probably one of my shiny object syndrome kicking in Greg. But I have a couple of bots that basically scan for contracts that the government in Canada has available. And it's telling me, oh, and it knows about me, right? It has access to my business site, it has access to my finance. So saying, oh yeah, this makes sense for you. This doesn't make sense for you. You might need to hire for this, right? So like, once you've given it enough context through the connections and maybe giving it some data.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Like, these are actually great, like tools to bounce ideas off of. I would scroll up, but the advisor about pulls numbers on some of the chats. There are some things where it literally tells me it's like. You need to relax and focus on the main thing. Which is like absolutely great advice that I hear from humans. But for some reason, when I hear a bot, it hits a little harder. So this has been a big win for me in terms of business and finance. And for me, this hits incredibly home because my business and finance is tied with engineering and design. Right? So I'm not just vibe building for the sake of vibes. Some of these are actually products that people have paid me to build. Some of these are products that maybe I want to raise money for. Maybe I want to sell to people, right?

• 41:11Speaker 01

  So because these things are tied, going back to your original question, Greg. This is why I use Grokbot. Cause with Claude Co, when I spin up a new session, it has no idea that this is where my business is at. This is how much money the business is making. This is the type of customers we have. But Grokbot will make engineering decisions worth the information it has on this side of the market. And this is what makes it to me absolutely incredible. Right? Like I asked it to build me a site one time for for a family friend. And it was like, oh, you had a design system in paper that you used for another family member one time. Do you want to use this one as well? Absolutely incredible because I did want to do that and I didn't have to tell that, right?

• 41:54Speaker 01

  So the more I'm using it, the more it's getting to know me. Like the more productive it's starting to become for me when it comes to all these parts of my life. Because everything is related, even my content and my engineering is related, right? The reason why I have to build apps that people use is so I can make content about building apps that people use. Right? If I stop doing that, then my content goes stale. Right? So all of this is feeding into each other. And the only way I can have it under one surface is Grokbot.

• 42:23Greg Isenberg?

  Dude, if you if you're listening to this and you ship ideas and you don't use Grokbot.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  And again, I'm not saying use Grokbot to build it. Use Grokbot to orchestrate it so it knows what's going on. That context is super, super valuable. And finally, I'll just talk about shopping. This is, um, I am a fiend for compute. Because uh, some people want to take my compute away. So I've been trying to find uh, places to buy a compute. And it will like scour through eBay where it will look for listings where people are selling uh, GPUs where the boxes are sealed. Right? So I'm getting like, I'm getting listings every single day. And I'll actually share the crazy story. I have a PS five Pro that I bought recently because I want to play GTA six.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  And you know who bought my PS five Pro and negotiated for me and checked that it was viable? Uh, Greg, it was my Grokbot. Grokbot emailed the person who listed it on eBay. Found out that it was a store in Ontario, two hours away. Gave me the number, gave me the script to talk to the person, obviously I didn't use the script. Called the person, confirmed, uh, I gave it access, it bought for me. And now I have a PS five ready to play GTA six when it comes out. Another thing that I've been using it for, super random. I'm starting to experience a little sciatica pain and I needed shoes. And I asked it, um, I actually asked it to find me a list of shoes. And then it did.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  And then I asked it to email my wife because she's my designer and stylist and I'm not allowed to pick the pieces of clothing I wear because apparently I have no sense of color and taste when it comes to clothing. And she picked a couple and it sent me the list that she's okay with. Right? So like these just mundane things like I want to buy new shoes that are good for my sciatica pain. I don't want to have to go on the side and then click here and click that. So to me, going even beyond everything else, Grokbot is my interface to the internet. I don't even go on pages as much anymore. I'll tell Grokbot to do it for me unless like I visibly need to be there like something like Twitter. So this is, yeah, this is pretty much a rundown of how I spend

• 44:45Speaker 01

  probably the most time on on any given app. Being productive, building stuff and and doing stuff, Greg.

• 44:53Greg Isenberg?

  Dude, this has been insane. I know what I'm doing today. I'm caught, I'm, I'm literally just screenshotting or I'm sending this video to my Grokbot and being like.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  That's the awesome part that you can give the video to your Grokbot. It'll pull the transcription and it'll do this stuff for you, right? It it's incredible.

• 45:14Greg Isenberg?

  So thank you so much for coming on, sharing the sauce. I'll include links where you can follow, as he's not on the internet, Ross Mike. Where you can follow him, you definitely should. Anything you want to leave people with?

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, one last thing I'll say is I, I please think big, like please, just like now is like the time to actually try stuff. You know, before, two, three years before you heard the motivational speeches, you gotta be the, the. Screw all that, like it's actually possible now. Like I, we did a video not too long ago talking about uh, audio like and and hardware. Greg, I'm doing it. Look at, look at like, mind you, forget the cream cheese sandwich. But I'm doing it like there's a raspberry pi, there's speakers there. I am not a hardware guy, right? But like, I'm actually building something that works. And I, I, I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm literally going back and forth with AI asking it. How do I do this? How do I connect this?

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Oh, I need this chip, I need this memory card, I need this peripheral. And I'm putting it together and not only am I having the time of my life, but like I now have the ability to like the ideas that used to be stuck here. I have no excuse to bring them out now. So my message to everyone is just, just try, man, like, like just, just actually just ask the agent and just try like, this is by far, I know there's a lot of doomerism, but the fact that you have intelligence for $200 a month is absolutely incredible. You owe it to yourself and your generations. That's all I got.

• 46:48Greg Isenberg?

  And it's easy to fall for the doomerism because there's so much negativity on the internet. And I think the important thing is just, a part of it is sort of like a mental battle of being like, you know what? I believe when Mickey says that this is the time and he shows me that, you know, all the things I can do. I, I, I believe that I could create something that people could want. And even though people uh, say SAS is dead or software is dead or this person just got lucky, you know, for, for hitting it big on this app and it can never be me. You know, you gotta, it's like that image of the horse with blinders on running a race. You gotta just put the blinders on and and get to work.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  I mean, listen, at the end of the day, whatever you say will be true, right? There was a quite a bit of time, like, I mean, Greg, you remember when you first had me on the chat? I had like 8K subs, right? Like I was working a corporate job, like I was like, it was just, stuff was pretty tight. But I just, I had this very delusional belief that like, yeah, I'm going to make something happen. And I didn't even think it was YouTube. I was really doing YouTube for fun. And I remember when Greg DM me, I thought I was being scammed. I thought it was like a bot, like I didn't respond right away. If you look at the time difference, because I had to confirm whether it was him or not, or whether I was being phished. So like, like, like, and that was then. And like this is now, and it's like, yes, there's a lot of craziness happening. But like, I think if you focus on you and your house and you do what's best for you and yours

• 48:16Speaker 01

  and you implement the stuff that's available and you just try. Cause even if it doesn't work out, you at least try. And for that, you're a legend, so please try at least before the subsidies end.

• 48:27Greg Isenberg?

  I'll catch you next time, my man.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Have a good one, everybody. Thank you so much, Greg, for having me on.